Reading Group Chat Transcript 7/29, Gilderoy Lockhart |
 Jul 29 2006, 02:05 PM
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[12:57] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Reading Group Discussion on Gilderoy Lockhart (Aislinn)
[13:00] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [13:00] <Aislinn> Hi expel! [13:01] <Expelliarmas> hello [13:03] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [13:03] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [13:03] <Expelliarmas> sorry, fell off the wagon for a second [13:03] <Aislinn> lol [13:03] <Expelliarmas> did you say something before I tripped? [13:03] <Aislinn> I have a feeling its going to be a quiet day today - not many people on the boards [13:03] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [13:04] <Expelliarmas> hello WW [13:04] <Whisperwing> Ooh the Shrieking Shack's open permanently now? [13:04] <Whisperwing> Hiya ExP\ [13:05] <Aislinn> not permanently whisper, just as a treat [13:05] <Whisperwing> wee [13:06] <Aislinn> smile [13:06] <Whisperwing> Mustn't forget my color [13:06] <Expelliarmas> ditto [13:06] <Aislinn> me too! [13:07] <Whisperwing> Aw. Moriah beat my Aces High championship score [13:07] <Aislinn> yeah, with the hiatus, the reading group leaders have been mopping up in there! [13:08] *** Moriah has joined #lounge [13:08] <Aislinn> speak of the devil! [13:08] <Moriah> Who? Me?! [13:08] <Aislinn> hi moriah - whisper was just saying that you took the Aces high championship [13:08] <Aislinn> smile [13:08] <Moriah> Woot! [13:09] <Expelliarmas> sorry, just finishing lunch. [13:09] <Aislinn> no worries [13:10] <Aislinn> we are probably going to be a small crew today, what with lumos, summer vacations, etc. [13:10] <Moriah> Yeah, probably so [13:11] *** HeleneB has joined #lounge [13:12] <Aislinn> hi helene! [13:12] <Moriah> Hi Helene! [13:12] <HeleneB> Greetings! [13:12] <Whisperwing> I was very close to overtaking you, and then I bet the house on a losing hand [13:12] *** Sidrat2006 has joined #lounge [13:12] <Whisperwing> meh [13:12] <Moriah> Oh, sorry Whisperwing [13:12] <Aislinn> hi sidrat [13:12] <Sidrat2006> Hi people [13:12] <HeleneB> Hi everyone [13:12] <Whisperwing> You didn't make me bet stupidly, I did that all on my own LOL [13:12] <Sidrat2006> So we're talking about Lockhart eh. This chat shouldn't take too long [13:13] <Moriah> Hi Sidrat [13:13] <Aislinn> lol [13:13] <Moriah> lol, Whisper [13:13] <Moriah> You gotta take the chance, though. It's not stupid smile [13:13] <Sidrat2006> what betting are you talking about guys? [13:13] <HeleneB> Too funny Sidrat [13:14] <Sidrat2006> Is there a potter poker game I should know about? [13:14] <Moriah> There's an Arcade... [13:14] *** LJ has joined #lounge [13:15] <Moriah> Hi LJ! [13:15] <Sidrat2006> really? [13:15] <Sidrat2006> what time does the actual official chat start? [13:15] <Aislinn> look over to the right of your screen, sidrat [13:15] <Moriah> http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?act=Arcade ... I'm pretty sure it's open [13:16] <Aislinn> the Shrieking Shack is a link to the arcade [13:16] *** aranelparmadil has joined #lounge [13:16] <Aislinn> hi aranel [13:16] <Aislinn> any second on the chat [13:16] <Sidrat2006> cool [13:17] <Whisperwing> Weh [13:17] *** aranelparmadil has quit [Bye] [13:17] <Whisperwing> I did it, I got about 50 ahead of ya, Moriah! [13:18] <Moriah> Oh no! [13:18] *** aranelparmadil has joined #lounge [13:18] <Expelliarmas> bet it all!!! [13:18] <Whisperwing> eh, more like 43 [13:18] <Moriah> hahaha [13:18] <Moriah> I'll work on that later wink [13:18] * Whisperwing looks innocent [13:18] <Whisperwing> I already banked it, baby! [13:18] <Moriah> :lol: [13:18] <aranelparmadil> Hello Expelliarmas. Sorry I took so log - I was having trouoble getting on. [13:19] <Expelliarmas> we're both still having PC problems [13:19] <HeleneB> So, how's our own Lockhart doing? [13:19] <aranelparmadil> Now I'm having trouble spelling "trouble"! Sorry. [13:19] <Expelliarmas> he's still looking for his marbles [13:19] <Sidrat2006> I'll pose a question for you guys to think about for the topic. Will Lockhart have a future in book seven or mentioned at all?? [13:19] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [13:19] <Belenzie> hey all [13:20] <Sidrat2006> Hi belenzie [13:20] <Whisperwing> Hm [13:20] <HeleneB> I think he will have a part, Sidrat. [13:20] <aranelparmadil> I'm not sure if he is all played out - otherwise why reintroduce him the way JKR did? [13:20] <Moriah> Hi Belenzie [13:20] <HeleneB> Exactly, aranel [13:21] <Belenzie> when is the staffers/chatters trivia thingy? or did i miss it already??? [13:21] <LJ> Hey guys, there's not many of us in today - most people are in Vegas/wishing they were in Vegas. Do you guys want to have the chat on Lockhart, or just have a general chat about Lumos? [13:21] <aranelparmadil> He could have just disappeared at the end of COS and never been heard of again, but I think JKR wanted more from him... [13:21] <HeleneB> I think JK could have gotten the trio to see Neville and his parents in OotP without using Lockhart--unless Lockhart (and his returning memory) were important later [13:22] <Sidrat2006> Lockhart shouldn't take too long, so how about both? [13:22] <aranelparmadil> I agree Helene [13:22] <Aislinn> sounds good smile [13:22] <Expelliarmas> does everyone know about Lumos? [13:22] <aranelparmadil> The spell? [13:22] <Sidrat2006> It was actually quite important for the trio to see Nevilles Parents, even though Harry already knew, it's not the same as... [13:22] <HeleneB> No the sumposium [13:22] <Sidrat2006> seeing it in person [13:22] <HeleneB> *sym [13:22] <Belenzie> i think in book 7 we'll get to see all the characters we've met so far ...jo said we're going to see viktor again so why not others?? [13:23] <Sidrat2006> Wonder whose side Krum will be on?? [13:23] <Moriah> I think good [13:23] <HeleneB> I can't help but think Lockhart saw something down in the chamber [13:23] <aranelparmadil> Can someone explain about Lumos? *blush* Newbie here... [13:23] <Sidrat2006> I doubt the Chamber will be back [13:23] <Belenzie> we'll prolly see him at fleurs and bills wedding [13:23] <HeleneB> Why would he be at the wedding? [13:23] <Sidrat2006> Lumos is a like a fan meet with guests and stuff [13:24] <Sidrat2006> don't you get the podcast?? SHAME ON YOU!! [13:24] <Aislinn> you do, helene? He didn't get too far into the chamber [13:24] <Moriah> It is the Chamber of SecretS... might be more than one Secret down there [13:24] <HeleneB> But isn't Lumos more than like a Star Trek convention? [13:24] <Belenzie> he was a fellow champion with fleur they prolly got along [13:24] <HeleneB> My point exactly, Moriah [13:24] <Sidrat2006> The fact it is there is one secret, the snake is another [13:24] <Moriah> I think they have a lot of more academic presentations [13:24] <Sidrat2006> weak I know, but.. [13:24] <HeleneB> It's the Chamber of SECRETS and not the Secret Chamber [13:25] <Sidrat2006> lol good point [13:25] * Belenzie makes a crouch like ooooohhhhhh sound [13:25] <HeleneB> I just read that part, Aislinn [13:25] <HeleneB> I couldn't see anything obvious, but I'm wondering if he did while Ron was digging out the cave in [13:26] <aranelparmadil> Thanks for explaining about Lumos - we don't get to hear about stuff like that here in deepest darkest Wales! [13:26] <Moriah> Interesting, Helene [13:26] <Aislinn> interesting thought [13:26] <Sidrat2006> He wasn't very aware during that sequence though [13:26] <Aislinn> I do think there are more secrets down there to be discovered [13:26] <Sidrat2006> There might be, but they might not even be related to Harry' story [13:26] <Expelliarmas> same as with the room of requirements--more to be discovered [13:26] <HeleneB> Did anyone find it curious that the statue (was is of SS?) looked monkeyish? [13:27] <Belenzie> like the chamber the basilisk came out of ..within the salazar statue [13:27] <Moriah> I think it was SS but no idea why he looked monkeyish [13:27] <Belenzie> well art was kind of dodgey in the 11th century [13:27] <HeleneB> :D [13:28] <Moriah> hahah [13:28] <Sidrat2006> Even human evolution was kinda dodgy. [13:28] <Belenzie> lol got that right [13:28] <Sidrat2006> To a wizard who believed in what he believed, he probably walked like a monkey too [13:28] <Expelliarmas> what would Lockhart do in Book 7? curl his hair? or would he have a chat with some of the folks from whom he stole memories. [13:28] <HeleneB> Some have suggested that SS is still there [13:28] <Belenzie> maybe an animagus attempt gone wrong??? [13:28] <Expelliarmas> would that make SS darwinish? [13:28] <aranelparmadil> Memories do seem to have been given great importance lately...... [13:28] <Sidrat2006> no more bumpkin [13:29] <Belenzie> .......maybe goyle didn't but i think it is alright to assume that salazar looked like a baboons backsidesmile [13:29] <Moriah> You would think that SS's animagus form would be a snake, not a monkey [13:29] <HeleneB> With Lockhart's memory returning, he might comment on something that means something to the trio [13:29] <Sidrat2006> This is all material for fan fic [13:29] <Aislinn> good point, moriah [13:29] <HeleneB> When the trio visits someone in the hospital [13:29] <Expelliarmas> what about where lockhart went? Jo kept mentioning all the places Lokhart went to steal memories. Wauga Wauga [13:29] <Belenzie> thlike "that pipe ride did wonders for my hair" [13:30] <Sidrat2006> example of his vanity [13:30] <Sidrat2006> sorry that's Vanity with a capital V [13:30] <HeleneB> Plus, those things really did happen--just other people did them [13:30] <Moriah> Yeah, that would be interesting, Expell... will those places be part of the Horcrux hunt? [13:30] <Sidrat2006> Hmm. [13:30] <Expelliarmas> that's what I think, even VM went to Albania [13:30] <Moriah> Exactly, Helene [13:31] <Sidrat2006> Do we know if Voldemort travelled as far as Lockhart? [13:31] <Sidrat2006> only as vapourmort I thought?? [13:31] <Moriah> I think DD said in HBP that he traveled far and wide to learn more magic [13:31] <Moriah> And go through transformations [13:31] <Expelliarmas> don't know, but Lockhart did travel extensively and consorted with the very worse [13:31] <HeleneB> LV is older than Lockhart, so I think he probably traveled farther. [13:31] <Sidrat2006> Thanks Moriah [13:31] <Expelliarmas> actually that's VM, not lockhart [13:31] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:32] <harryfreak359> hey everyone! [13:32] <Moriah> Hey! [13:32] <Sidrat2006> Hi [13:32] <aranelparmadil> HI [13:32] <harryfreak359> i didn't know there was a chat today... [13:32] <Aislinn> hi harryfreak [13:32] <harryfreak359> cool [13:32] <Aislinn> %bThough he's written a plethora of books, Lockhart seems clearly incapable of practical Defensive magic. Why do you think Lockhart was chosen to teach Defense Against the Dark Arts? [13:32] <Sidrat2006> There's two on some saturdays [13:32] <Expelliarmas> because no one else wanted the job, except for Snape [13:32] <Moriah> There had to have been absolutely no one else [13:32] <aranelparmadil> Because of all the things he had claimed to do? [13:32] <HeleneB> Hagrid said it all, Aislinn--Lockhart was all DD could get? [13:33] <Sidrat2006> He lied basically his strength was memory charms [13:33] <harryfreak359> because he was all that was there for the job' [13:33] <Moriah> It seems that DD knew that Lockhart whipped the memories of people... there had to have been no one else [13:33] <Sidrat2006> which is quite heavy in magical terms, and there was no one else at that time [13:33] <Aislinn> so the curse seems to have been widely known already at that point? [13:33] <Expelliarmas> the better question is this--DD knew what Lockhart did to steal memories, why would he teach there? [13:33] <aranelparmadil> Must get difficult when you have to replace a position every year - you're going to run out of good candidates pretty quickly [13:33] <Sidrat2006> Dumbledore is infallible [13:33] <Aislinn> do you think DD knew of his stealing, expel? [13:33] <Moriah> Probably so... it had been there since before the Marauders time, right? The curse? [13:34] <Expelliarmas> especially when the DADA teachers always have a malady befall them [13:34] <Sidrat2006> good question Moriah [13:34] <Expelliarmas> Definitely think DD knew of the stealing--impaled upon your own sword, Gilderoy... [13:34] <Aislinn> it sounds like it had to have been moriah [13:34] <Moriah> Exactly, Expell [13:34] <aranelparmadil> I agree expel [13:35] <Expelliarmas> when did VM jinx the job, anyone know what year? [13:35] <Aislinn> so you think DD would have hired someone he knew was a complete fraud, just because it was hard to find someone? [13:35] <Sidrat2006> The pensieve chapters didn't inform us [13:35] <Moriah> I wonder if DD had gone to Lupin before but it took protecting Harry from Sirius to get Lupin to accept [13:35] <aranelparmadil> It's about 10 years after he left Hogwarts isn't it? [13:35] <HeleneB> Wasn't it about 10 years after Tom left school? [13:35] <harryfreak359> I don't, but it was a few years after he left [13:35] <Moriah> Ok, I think you're both right on that [13:35] <Sidrat2006> Maybe DD suspected but couldn't prove it [13:35] <HeleneB> All together now, aranel! lol [13:35] <aranelparmadil> Hah! lol [13:35] <Moriah> Maybe so, Sidrat [13:36] <Aislinn> it was 10 years after the Hepzibah smith memory [13:36] <Sidrat2006> Besides, Dumbledore likes to think good about everyone [13:36] <Expelliarmas> wow, that'd be quite a long line of DADA teachers. Who wouldn't know about the jinx. [13:36] <Sidrat2006> everyone eventually [13:36] <aranelparmadil> His greatest weakness? Dd's I mean [13:36] <Sidrat2006> one of his greatest weaknesses yes [13:36] <Expelliarmas> still, it seems DD allows some questionable teachers through Hogwarts. [13:37] <Belenzie> it would have been just before the maruaders attended cus dd said it was cursed for 26 years [13:37] <Belenzie> .....didn't he?? [13:37] <Moriah> Maybe DD encouraged the Dueling Club for Snape to help with in the hopes that they'd still learn some Defense [13:37] <aranelparmadil> That's a lot of teachers! [13:37] <Sidrat2006> Don't recall a number being mentioned [13:37] <Sidrat2006> Besides, it doesn't have to mean that DADA was being taught for EVERY year [13:37] <Aislinn> it would be 35 years or more [13:37] <HeleneB> I think the dueling club was just to make eveyrone "feel" safer [13:37] <Moriah> Which the did learn that Expelliarmus smile [13:37] <Moriah> *they [13:38] <harryfreak359> yeah, I agree Helene [13:38] <Expelliarmas> i think DADA is a required course for everyone. [13:38] <Sidrat2006> no, I think Lockhart wanted to show off [13:38] <aranelparmadil> I thought so too Expel [13:38] <Expelliarmas> ah, Expelliarmus, such an allpurpose spell. [13:38] <Sidrat2006> I thought Dumbledore set the curriculum [13:38] <harryfreak359> I don' think it is required [13:38] <Moriah> Yup, Expell smile [13:38] <harryfreak359> DADA i mean [13:38] <Expelliarmas> they get tested on it for OWLs. [13:38] <aranelparmadil> But DADA was in place pre Dd [13:38] <HeleneB> Sidrat, I agree that was Lockhart's reason, but DD had to agree to it. [13:38] <Moriah> I think it is... along with Transfig and Potions and such [13:38] <Aislinn> Was Dumbledore giving Lockhart the benefit of the doubt and hoping he'd actually accomplished some of the feats in his books, or is there another reason? [13:38] <Moriah> Until after OWLs [13:39] <Expelliarmas> another reason, someone to fill the position. [13:39] <HeleneB> Well, even being taughter theory has some value. [13:39] <aranelparmadil> To show the students duelling Aislinn, and what could be in store? [13:39] <Sidrat2006> That could have been the only reason Aislinn [13:39] <Expelliarmas> unless everyone needed grooming tips... [13:39] <HeleneB> *taught [13:39] <Moriah> Oh, that's a good point! They'd learn from the books even if Lockhart didn't know what he was doing [13:39] <harryfreak359> well i have to go, already. Gotta get a new computer.... [13:39] <HeleneB> lol Exp [13:39] <Aislinn> I wonder, though, if DD had specific goals in mind each year [13:39] <harryfreak359> see ya all later... [13:39] <HeleneB> By HP [13:39] <HeleneB> *Bye [13:39] <Belenzie> a little off topic but if potion classes don't brew the polyjuice potion untill 7th year why was there questions about in on their owls??? [13:39] <Moriah> Later! [13:39] <LJ> bye [13:39] <Sidrat2006> you should wait until DX 10 and Vista comes out dude [13:39] <harryfreak359> is there a chat later tonight? [13:39] <harryfreak359> just wondering [13:40] <Aislinn> even though the teachers aren't people that would be considered great teachers(like Hagrid) there are lessons that Harry takes away from them [13:40] <aranelparmadil> Dd is capable of being that good at planning ahead for sure [13:40] <Sidrat2006> There's two sides in the exam, theory and practical [13:40] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid is a good teacher, aside from his monster fixation ... [13:40] <Aislinn> no harryfreak, not tonight [13:40] <Moriah> He's good when he doesn't get flustered [13:40] <Sidrat2006> He's a good teacher because of his love of the subject [13:40] <harryfreak359> k, thx aislinn [13:40] <harryfreak359> bye [13:40] <HeleneB> theory Belenzie? [13:40] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [13:40] <LJ> In 5th year they only learned from the books (other than practical in the DA) - so they could prob learn a lot from Lockhart just teahing the books [13:40] <aranelparmadil> Is he a good teacher though? He doesn't seem to take any notice of the curriculum! [13:40] <Belenzie> yeah but in class they do the theory very closse to the practical [13:41] <Sidrat2006> LJ - You saying a muggle could teach just as effectively as a bad wizard teacher? [13:41] <LJ> teaching [13:41] <Expelliarmas> if only Lockhart could teach the books, but they're all his. Full of stolen memories, not actual experiences. [13:41] <Moriah> It sounds like the only had the one practical (pixies) before Lupin came around [13:41] <LJ> no, not as effectively - but they'd learn more than they knew [13:41] <Sidrat2006> And not much actual content either. [13:41] <Moriah> But the things did happen... just not to Lockhart [13:41] <Moriah> So they can still learn from it [13:41] <HeleneB> Gotta run. Bye! [13:41] *** HeleneB has quit [Bye] [13:41] <Sidrat2006> well yes, but how much of what a person learns is retained is a different matter [13:42] <Expelliarmas> yes, but he can't teach it because he didn't really experience those adventrues. [13:42] <aranelparmadil> A lot of that has to do with teaching method [13:42] <Sidrat2006> I'm sure if you steal someones memories it's almost the same [13:42] <LJ> and Lockhart didn't really teach them the proper curriculum it seems, so he was prob less effective than a Muggle [13:42] <Moriah> I agree, but at least he had something going for him. [13:42] <Expelliarmas> now, if he wanted to teach hair nets, he'd be a world champion. [13:42] <Moriah> lol [13:42] <Sidrat2006> Do you need to be Sampras to teach Sampras to play tennis? of course not [13:43] <Sidrat2006> lol LJ [13:43] <Aislinn> sometimes the person best at something is an awful teacher [13:43] <Expelliarmas> yes, but Lockhart isn't even a player ... he dropped his wand ... [13:43] <Aislinn> doesn't know how to break it down for the students [13:43] <aranelparmadil> No, but it's nice if you know one end of a racquet from another! [13:43] <Aislinn> lol - true [13:43] *** Whisperwing left #lounge [] [13:43] <Expelliarmas> lol [13:43] <Moriah> But the students would get *something* from the books [13:44] <Expelliarmas> exasperation, remember even Ron caught on "says he's done" [13:44] <LJ> Could DD have chosen Lockhart to show Harry fame gone wrong? [13:44] <aranelparmadil> Some people are ok learning that way - many need practical demonstration for it to really stick [13:44] <Sidrat2006> Hmmm, it's all one really it's happened the students got over it [13:44] <Moriah> haha, sorry, those books are the only things that make me feel better about DD hiring him [13:44] <Sidrat2006> Ohhhh, interesting theory [13:44] <Belenzie> has anybody noticed that when your teacher teaches they seem to be learning the course themselves at the same time??? thats a bit disconcerting [13:44] <Sidrat2006> Like when he was talking about Slughorn to Harry [13:44] <Sidrat2006> and the warning he gives him [13:45] <Sidrat2006> Very worrying Belenzie [13:45] <Belenzie> lockhart is quite the same [13:45] <aranelparmadil> Belenzie - on behalf of all teachers - hey!! [13:45] <Expelliarmas> but at least he warned harry about slughorn, Lochhart was just sprung on him [13:45] <Sidrat2006> DD and Harry's relationship wasn't quite as advanced by that point [13:45] <Aislinn> he certainly got a lesson on fame seeking behaviour [13:45] <Expelliarmas> Belenzie--you caught me. I make everything up as I go along ... just to mess with my students. [13:46] <LJ> Belenzie: sometimes it does seem that way, but that's more the government changing curriculums than the teachers not knowing the stuff [13:46] <aranelparmadil> lol Expel! [13:46] <Sidrat2006> That's closer to the truth than it is funny [13:46] <Expelliarmas> they only catch on at the end of the semester [13:46] <aranelparmadil> Exactly LJ - and it's the same the world over [13:46] <Moriah> *snort* [13:46] <LJ> yep [13:46] <Expelliarmas> Lockhart could have taught Harry about public relations [13:47] <Moriah> hahaha, he tried [13:47] <Aislinn> he did, but he ended up teaching Harry something very different from what he intended [13:47] <aranelparmadil> And how to become 5 times winner of Witch Weekly's most charming smile award! [13:47] <Expelliarmas> when I was your age, I was almost as big a nobody as you! What a great lockhartism. [13:47] <LJ> Lockhart and Harry have very different views on the importance of fame. When do we see the differences and/or the similarities? [13:47] <Moriah> Exactly, Aislinn [13:47] <Expelliarmas> but I don't talk about that [much]. [13:47] <Sidrat2006> Oh wow, and he says that to "The Boy Who Lived" [13:47] <Sidrat2006> hah [13:48] <Belenzie> yeah my schhol board is changing the curriculum again after only 5 years with the previous one...they realized something was wrong when the drop-out rate beacme 33% :P [13:48] <Sidrat2006> eek! [13:48] <Aislinn> wow - that's disturbingly high [13:48] <Expelliarmas> looks like your students caught on before the end of the semester [13:48] <LJ> yeah [13:48] <aranelparmadil> indeed [13:48] <Sidrat2006> atleast the ones that stayed could spread out a bit though [13:48] <Expelliarmas> lol [13:48] <Moriah> Lockhart seems to care about fame only for the sake of fame. Harry will use his fame when he no choice but he doesn't generally like it [13:49] <Moriah> Like to get the memory from Slughorn [13:49] <Expelliarmas> Lockhart is all about fame; and he's jealous as hell about Harry's [13:49] <Moriah> Or to try to get Fudge to sign the permission form in PoA [13:49] <Aislinn> right moriah. One actively seeks it out, while the other understands that it is not tied to worth or value [13:49] <Belenzie> well the first day of second semester my VP r if they want...they were slackers and the teachers didn't want to waste their time teaching them 2 days out of 5 [13:50] <aranelparmadil> Is he Expel? Does he even register Harry's fame in comparison to his own? [13:50] <Belenzie> * she kicked them out of school [13:50] <Moriah> I think he does, but he doesn't want to admit it so he belittles Harry's fame [13:50] <Expelliarmas> everytime he tries to "coach" Harry, he strikes me as trying to steal his fame. [13:50] <Sidrat2006> the students or the teachers who couldn't be bothered? [13:50] <Moriah> I agree, Expell [13:50] <aranelparmadil> GIve you that one Expel [13:51] <Expelliarmas> woot [13:51] <aranelparmadil> Woot? is that an Americanism of some nature :o) [13:51] <Sidrat2006> it's a sound [13:51] <Sidrat2006> try it and make it loud [13:51] <Moriah> haha, it's an Internetism [13:51] <Belenzie> like bloom [13:51] <Sidrat2006> bloom? [13:51] <aranelparmadil> Huh? [13:51] <Sidrat2006> nah that's a graphical expression [13:52] <Belenzie> ...thats the sound watermakees when you hit it [13:52] <Moriah> hehe, or boom? [13:52] <Sidrat2006> splash I thought? [13:52] <Belenzie> no bloom! [13:52] <Belenzie> lol [13:52] <Sidrat2006> strange water where you're from!! [13:52] <Moriah> ok smile [13:52] <aranelparmadil> Do we seem to be veering a touch off topic, or is onomatopoeia a new thing in JKR's paln?!! [13:52] <Belenzie> well it is canada [13:52] <Sidrat2006> it is water and not a sludge substance is it? [13:52] <Expelliarmas> celebrity is as celebrity does, remember that Harry; kind of like life is like a box of chocolates ... [13:52] <aranelparmadil> plan even! [13:52] <LJ> Does JKR include Lockhart simply as comic relief or a plot point, or does he resonate with a greater theme in the series? Which one and how so? [13:53] <Sidrat2006> bit of both of the first two. [13:53] <Expelliarmas> he's a bit of both. [13:53] <aranelparmadil> Both [13:53] <Sidrat2006> I wouldn't miss him if he wasn't in Book Seven (now the official title forever!) [13:53] <Expelliarmas> But if you have good teachers, you have to showcase the dolts, too. [13:53] <Sidrat2006> for the contrast [13:53] <Belenzie> to show that harry isn't the only one who has fame that they don't deserve...but that one wants it and the other doesn't [13:53] <aranelparmadil> Am I agreeing with you again Expell? Gotta stop that lol [13:53] <Aislinn> Harry gains a further understanding about the importance of substance over flash [13:53] <Expelliarmas> woot [13:54] <Moriah> I agree, Aislinn [13:54] <LJ> me too [13:54] <aranelparmadil> It does highlight the differences between them [13:54] <LJ> agree [13:54] <Expelliarmas> Lockhart is an example of subtle evil; stealing people's memories? Low. [13:54] <Belenzie> liike severus said .....fame clearly isn't everything [13:54] <Sidrat2006> Low? debased character in my opinion [13:54] <aranelparmadil> The ends justifying the means for Lockhart? [13:55] <Aislinn> I think that DD may have thought about that in putting lockhart into the position, knowing all of the fame that Harry was faced with when he emerged into a magical world he knew nothing about [13:55] <Expelliarmas> but it's so evil [13:55] <aranelparmadil> Makes him just as bad as some of the other evil characters [13:55] <Sidrat2006> hmmm, I'd go with Nasty, not evil [13:55] <Moriah> I agree, aranel [13:55] <Expelliarmas> worse, because he tries to pass himself off as a good guy. [13:55] <Sidrat2006> Evil is more worse [13:55] <Sidrat2006> even bad guys can be good guys [13:55] <Expelliarmas> honorary member of the defense league? [13:55] <LJ> As previously stated, we don't know much about Lockhart's childhood, though he does tell Harry that he tried, and failed, to be noticed as a boy. Do you have any ideas or theories about Lockhart's past? [13:56] <Moriah> Never thought about it..... [13:56] <Sidrat2006> Dreamer, pure and simple [13:56] <Expelliarmas> his mother was a hairdreser [13:56] <Moriah> lol [13:56] <LJ> haha [13:56] <Sidrat2006> His father was an interior designer [13:56] <Sidrat2006> sorry. sad [13:56] <Expelliarmas> lol! [13:56] <aranelparmadil> Highly ambitious but with no talent to back it up [13:56] <aranelparmadil> lol! [13:56] <Sidrat2006> Big Brother future contestant [13:56] <Aislinn> something made him believe that fame was the most important thing in life [13:56] <LJ> he says that he played Quidditch, do you believe that, or was that another thing he made up? [13:56] <LJ> can you see him on a broom? [13:56] <Expelliarmas> not a chance he played quidditch [13:56] <Sidrat2006> only in a hair net [13:57] <aranelparmadil> He may ahve played - but in a Neville kind of way... [13:57] <Aislinn> lol [13:57] <Moriah> What era is if from? Before or after the Marauders? Would he see the fame of James and Sirius and want that? [13:57] <Expelliarmas> maybe the lack of talent led him to steal other's glory? [13:57] <Belenzie> what house???? slytherin hufflepuff?? [13:58] <Moriah> *he, not if [13:58] <Expelliarmas> or is he just lazy and used to getting by on charm? Slughorn in reverse? [13:58] <LJ> I think he prob didn't have many friends at school, he wanted to be noticed - so he went out and found a way to get noticed by everyone [13:58] <Aislinn> I think he was older than the Maurauders [13:58] <Sidrat2006> You know, just because Lockhart COULD have been at school with the Marauders it doesn't mean they would know each other [13:58] <Expelliarmas> Lockhart had no house, he was homeschooled. No house wants that credit. [13:58] <Belenzie> lol [13:58] <Moriah> Maybe not knew each other, but he would have known of them [13:58] <aranelparmadil> What house would he have been sorted into? [13:58] <LJ> haha [13:58] <Sidrat2006> really expell? He must have been at Hogwarts?? [13:58] <Belenzie> brb [13:58] <Aislinn> I see him as a slytherin - ambitious [13:58] <aranelparmadil> I agree Aislinn [13:59] <Sidrat2006> what colour robes does he wear? [13:59] <Moriah> I can't decide if he's older... he seems young since he's described as good looking [13:59] <Expelliarmas> you don't have to go to Hogwarts ... [13:59] <aranelparmadil> puce [13:59] <Expelliarmas> lilac robes [13:59] <Aislinn> periwinkle blue [13:59] <LJ> I don't think it was Gryffindor - he would have let Harry know that he was in the "brave" house too [13:59] <Belenzie> blues [13:59] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [13:59] <Sidrat2006> Thought you needed ambition and intelligence to be Slytherin? [13:59] <Expelliarmas> ravenclaw? [13:59] * Moriah chat is being slow [13:59] <Moriah> But that's not fair of me to think that [13:59] <aranelparmadil> He wears a variety of robes, doesn't he? [13:59] <Aislinn> moriah - not only young people are good looking! [13:59] <Aislinn> smile [13:59] <LJ> He would have been ashamed to be a Slytherin, I think [13:59] <aranelparmadil> You have to actually be clever to be in Ravenclaw [14:00] <Sidrat2006> he is clever [14:00] <Moriah> <Moriah> But that's not fair of me to think that [14:00] <LJ> but not book clever [14:00] <Aislinn> I don't see him as intelligent [14:00] <Sidrat2006> don't underestimate him, he managed memory charms which is a serious branch of magic after all [14:00] <Expelliarmas> is there a house for smarmy blokes? [14:00] <aranelparmadil> Is he clever? He isn't talented at much. [14:00] <Sidrat2006> Yeah, you can be clever but not have the talent to match it [14:00] <aranelparmadil> Hmm Expell - the lesser known 5th house. [14:01] <Aislinn> he had one talent - doing a good obliviator charm [14:01] <Sidrat2006> Anyone watching Glyn on UK BB 7 will realise this [14:01] <LJ> I think he was prob a Hufflepuff - but the lack of attention made him more ambitious and Slytherin like [14:01] <Expelliarmas> the 5th house exemplified by a gnat dressed in lilac [14:01] <Sidrat2006> Hufflepuff sounds like a good one [14:01] <Moriah> But is he loyal or fair, LJ? [14:01] <Sidrat2006> certainly not! [14:01] <LJ> no, wonder if he was when young though? [14:01] <Expelliarmas> don't think he would be in Hufflepuff, too duplicitous [14:01] <Moriah> Ah, maybe [14:02] <Sidrat2006> His motivations and actions present a selfish and vain character [14:02] <aranelparmadil> I agree Expel - again! [14:02] <Expelliarmas> oh oh, stop that aranel [14:02] <Sidrat2006> go for a lie down Aranel! [14:02] <LJ> then again, not all Slytherins went bad - and he certainly has the Slyth traits [14:02] <LJ> and well, he is bad - just not DE bad [14:02] <Expelliarmas> does he have any good traits? [14:02] <aranelparmadil> (sigh) Ok! :o) [14:02] <Moriah> Right, LJ [14:02] <Aislinn> I think he definitely has slytherin traits [14:02] <aranelparmadil> He has a lovely smile! [14:02] <Moriah> I hate to put all the "bad" guys in Slytherin but he is all for himself. Isn't that a Slytherin trait? [14:03] <LJ> but a weak chin [14:03] <Expelliarmas> a house for smarmy blokes with lovely smiles [14:03] <Moriah> Ugh, my responses are coming in weird order [14:03] <aranelparmadil> I agree Moriah [14:03] <LJ> yeah Moriah [14:03] <Sidrat2006> Moriah, we can follow it. [14:03] <Sidrat2006> I myself can have four different conversations at once [14:03] <LJ> try refreshing [14:03] <aranelparmadil> Got a name for it Expell? [14:03] <Moriah> Thanks smile [14:03] <Expelliarmas> defintely Moriah [14:03] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [14:03] <Moriah> k, LJ [14:03] *** Moriah has quit [Bye] [14:03] <Expelliarmas> the 5th house? [14:04] <aranelparmadil> Yup [14:04] <Belenzie> back [14:04] <Sidrat2006> The House that the Hat Forgot? [14:04] <Expelliarmas> lol oh yeah [14:04] <Sidrat2006> hey come on, in the time frame, that wasn't bad!! [14:04] <aranelparmadil> Hah! [14:04] <Expelliarmas> HHF [14:04] <Sidrat2006> lol [14:04] <LJ> why do you think we're never told? [14:04] <Sidrat2006> oh no, that could also be the title of book seven sad [14:05] <aranelparmadil> About the 5th house? lol [14:05] <Expelliarmas> we were told, we've been given a memory charm [14:05] <aranelparmadil> Who are you ? [14:05] <Aislinn> hehehe [14:05] <Sidrat2006> have you ever had four other friends that you hung around with all the time?? [14:05] <Belenzie> has anyone else seen the correlation between the house mascots, their traits and certain character in the narnia series? [14:05] <Expelliarmas> huh? [14:05] <Sidrat2006> Five doesn't work at all! [14:05] <Aislinn> Lockhart's ambition and lust for the finer things in life make him rather comparable to Horace Slughorn. Do you think they are very much alike? How so? Has anything one has said or done reminded you of the other? [14:05] *** Moriah has joined #lounge [14:05] <Sidrat2006> Belenzie, yes but I really really try not to. [14:05] <Sidrat2006> I'm seeing more parallels with Discworld books too. [14:06] <Expelliarmas> Lockhart collects memories, Slughorn collects people [14:06] <aranelparmadil> Do you mean to say that there are similarities between HP and Narnia (shock!) [14:06] <Moriah> Nice connection, Expel! [14:06] <Sidrat2006> If I had a choice to have a drink with either, I'd choose Slughorn [14:06] <Aislinn> let's stick with HP, guys [14:06] <Belenzie> i see things with the belgariad series by david eddings as well [14:06] <aranelparmadil> And Dd collects shiny silver instruments.. [14:07] <Expelliarmas> slughorn takes an interest in his collection; more of a mentor [14:07] <Sidrat2006> everyone needs a hobby [14:07] <aranelparmadil> Slughorn might let you get a word in edgeways! [14:07] <Belenzie> and ron collects chocolate frog cards!! [14:07] <Expelliarmas> Slughorn is more of a party host [14:07] <Sidrat2006> oh I am listener, but listening to Lockhart would involve murder, even I have a limit!! [14:07] <Aislinn> Slughorn is content to direct things from the background, where Lockhart wants to be right out front [14:07] <Expelliarmas> lockhart wants to be the life of the party; the belle of the ball [14:07] <Expelliarmas> psyche! [14:07] <Sidrat2006> hahaha [14:08] <Belenzie> the creme de la creme [14:08] <aranelparmadil> lol [14:08] <Aislinn> lol [14:08] <LJ> yeah Slughorn wants to be friends with the famous people [14:08] <LJ> Lockhart wants to steal their fame [14:08] <Sidrat2006> they are indeed very different people [14:08] <Expelliarmas> but is happy to sit in the background and make more connections [14:08] <aranelparmadil> Lockhart wants to BE the famous people.. [14:08] <Expelliarmas> all of them [14:08] <Sidrat2006> there could also be as much as thirty years difference! [14:09] <Aislinn> age, you mean? [14:09] <Expelliarmas> also, Slughorn is a potions master, he knows his business [14:09] <aranelparmadil> Stirring things up... [14:09] <Aislinn> yes, expel, he does have his own skills [14:09] <Aislinn> unlike lockhart [14:09] <Sidrat2006> sorry yes, age [14:09] <LJ> Slughorn may have taught Lockhart [14:09] <Sidrat2006> reading text eating tea. fingers otherwise engaged [14:09] <Aislinn> yes, LJ, that seems likely [14:09] <Expelliarmas> but lockhart did have a hair care line ready to launch [14:09] <Moriah> Probably so, LJ [14:09] <Aislinn> lol - no problem sid [14:10] <LJ> Lockhart may have seen how Slughorn "collects" Famous people and decided he wanted to too, but then steal their fame - not just live off it [14:10] <Sidrat2006> EURGH. Ho well, get it down as quickly as possible [14:10] <Aislinn> that's a possibility [14:10] <Expelliarmas> would Slughorn have collected lockhart? [14:10] <Aislinn> I doubt he would have stood out of the crowd for lockhart [14:10] <LJ> I don't think so [14:10] <Aislinn> oops, for slughorn i mean [14:11] <aranelparmadil> Would Lockhart have shown any promise at school - apart from his looks? [14:11] <LJ> unless Lockhart had famous relatives [14:11] <Moriah> Yeah, it would have been interesting if Lockhart tried to get Slughorns attention like some other students did [14:11] <LJ> which is also a possibility for why he wanted fame so much [14:11] <Aislinn> right, lj [14:11] <Expelliarmas> ahh, Gilderoy, you naughty boy! [14:11] <Aislinn> yes, moriah - maybe he saw the attention slughorn paid others, and wanted some of that for himself [14:12] <Moriah> Exactly [14:12] <aranelparmadil> good point [14:12] <Expelliarmas> Like Arthur and Draco? [14:12] <LJ> ... [14:12] <Moriah> This is cool... I never considered Lockhart's past smile [14:12] <aranelparmadil> Arthur and Draco? [14:12] <Expelliarmas> intersting molly remembers slughorn didn't have a lot of time for arthur [14:12] <aranelparmadil> Oh yeah.. [14:12] <Expelliarmas> Draco would love to be a slughorn favorite [14:13] <Moriah> I think Molly cared about the attention for Arthur more than Arthur did [14:13] <Expelliarmas> would have--think Draco got expelled [14:13] <aranelparmadil> Draco believs he ought to be - he thinks he should be [14:13] <Sidrat2006> Will slughorn teach next year? [14:13] <Expelliarmas> if hogwarts is open, yes, he's head of slytherin [14:13] <Belenzie> i hope so i love horace [14:13] <Moriah> Assuming the school is open, I think so [14:13] <aranelparmadil> I don't know how much emphasis on Hogwarts itself there will be in Book7 [14:13] <Moriah> The DE's would definitely be after him if he left Hogwarts [14:14] <aranelparmadil> It's the safest place for him [14:14] <Expelliarmas> hogwarts is a character in the series, it will play some role in 7 [14:14] <Moriah> Since, as he said, he may as well have declared alliagence with the Order [14:14] <Aislinn> agreed expel [14:14] <aranelparmadil> I agree Expell (aargh) but I think there will be less emphasis on it [14:14] <Expelliarmas> true [14:15] <Belenzie> i don't know how the book is gonna work with harry not being at hogwarts....one of the main complaints of readers about book5 and 6 was there wasn't enough"magic" you classes and interaction with others....too much "just harry" [14:15] <aranelparmadil> Unless the Horcruxes turn out to be there after all! [14:15] <Aislinn> Harry's search will lead him back to the school, or a threat from LV or the death eaters [14:15] <Moriah> I think so too, Aislinn [14:15] <aranelparmadil> I think it will end up there - at Hogwarts I mean [14:15] <Expelliarmas> think 7 is going to feature a lot of magic and less story development [14:16] <Expelliarmas> but there are places still to be seen, Godric's hollow, etc. [14:16] <Sidrat2006> Good question. Will Book Seven span a year, less or a lot more?? [14:16] <aranelparmadil> Is there much story development left to do? I think it is all about resolution now. [14:16] <Moriah> At least a year, Sidrat, I think [14:16] <Expelliarmas> yep. see? I can agree with you too aranel [14:16] <aranelparmadil> It's about time Harry went to Godrics Hollow - why not before now? [14:16] <aranelparmadil> lol thanks Expell! [14:16] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [14:16] <Sidrat2006> Could he apparate there? [14:16] <Expelliarmas> how would he get there, he's an adult in 7 [14:17] <aranelparmadil> The Weasleys would have taken him like a shot if he'd asked [14:17] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [14:17] <Expelliarmas> sorry, before book 7 he was limited in his travels [14:17] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [14:17] <LJ> More clarification concerning Gilderoy Lockhart may be reached through the meaning of his name. Do you find any significance in his name? [14:17] <Expelliarmas> guilded? [14:17] <aranelparmadil> Gilderoy - from gilding - adding shine [14:17] <Aislinn> I don't think he would ever think to impose on them that way aranel [14:17] <Expelliarmas> a guilded king? [14:18] <Expelliarmas> wouldn't you die if he was related to ravenclaw? [14:18] <Sidrat2006> Besides as an adult, no where is safe unless he sets up a secret keeper thingy [14:18] <aranelparmadil> Is it a major imposition to ask to go to his parents last home? [14:18] <gryffindelle> i dont think so [14:18] <Moriah> And Lockhart... suggesting secrets. Perhaps more secrets? [14:18] <Expelliarmas> might be, they don't have the ford anglia anymore. [14:18] <Moriah> Like the Chamber of SecretS (sorry) [14:18] <LJ> Guild -er -roy=Guilded King; Lockhart=Lock-Heart [14:19] <gryffindelle> hmmm. . . [14:19] <Belenzie> hart can also be a name for a male dear [14:19] <Expelliarmas> gilderoy suggests the phoniness aspect about him [14:19] <LJ> it's like the opposite of Harry - Locked Heart [14:19] <aranelparmadil> Good one LJ [14:19] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:19] <Expelliarmas> lockhart a stag?!? [14:19] <Moriah> Yeah, nice LJ [14:19] <gryffindelle> knew prongs? [14:19] <aranelparmadil> Hmm. Maybe not expell! [14:19] <Belenzie> well i'm just sying...... [14:19] <gryffindelle> he might have info. [14:20] <gryffindelle> important info [14:20] <Expelliarmas> if only he could remember [14:20] <gryffindelle> he might [14:20] <gryffindelle> remember how he was starting to get some of his memory back in ootp [14:20] <gryffindelle> ? [14:20] <aranelparmadil> And so make a dramatic entrance stage right.... [14:20] <Expelliarmas> joined up writing? [14:20] <Moriah> I gotta go. It's been nice chatting! [14:20] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:20] <Expelliarmas> c ya [14:20] <aranelparmadil> Bye Moriah [14:21] <gryffindelle> ok, c u, byebye [14:21] <Aislinn> bye moriah! [14:21] <Expelliarmas> lockhart might make an accidental revelation [14:21] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:21] <LJ> bye Mo [14:21] <gryffindelle> that was hidden in the back of his mind [14:21] *** Moriah has quit [Bye] [14:21] <Expelliarmas> deeply hidden [14:22] <aranelparmadil> Maybe his make-up bag is the last horcrux [14:22] <gryffindelle> maybe he'll end up kinda like trelawney, making statements without realizing it like she makes prophecies [14:22] <Expelliarmas> lol [14:22] <gryffindelle> lol [14:22] <Expelliarmas> rotf [14:22] <gryffindelle> huh?? [14:22] <Sidrat2006> that's just silly! [14:22] <LJ> One of Lockhart's greatest talents is his charisma. He seems to win the ladies over, but socially, we find he's a bit awkward. Do you think he misreads people, or do you think he's dense enough to think of all comments as compliments? [14:22] <aranelparmadil> huh? [14:22] <Expelliarmas> rolling on the floor [14:23] <Sidrat2006> Unless LV is a crossdresser of course [14:23] <gryffindelle> oh [14:23] <aranelparmadil> Ah! [14:23] <aranelparmadil> lol [14:23] <Expelliarmas> somebody grab the wheel, we're heading for a ditch! [14:23] <LJ> haha [14:23] <aranelparmadil> Maybe Lockhart could be an special Death Eater - a sartorial advisor to LV [14:24] <Expelliarmas> the charm only works on witches [14:24] <aranelparmadil> Maybe LV likes to be known as Betty at weekends [14:24] <Sidrat2006> Lockharts Fear would overwhelm his charm [14:24] <Expelliarmas> does anyone think Lockhart would have become a DE if the circumstances were right? [14:24] <aranelparmadil> And wet pants is so not a good look for him [14:25] <gryffindelle> yes [14:25] <aranelparmadil> If he thought it was going to benefit him, totally [14:25] <gryffindelle> expel [14:25] <Expelliarmas> would the DEs have been able to use him? [14:25] <LJ> maybe Expel [14:25] <gryffindelle> yes [14:25] <Sidrat2006> Works for Hasselhoff [14:25] <LJ> it depends, he doesn't like danger [14:25] <aranelparmadil> As their cover guy... [14:25] <Belenzie> voldy would have killed him for smiling to much [14:25] <Belenzie> smile [14:25] <Expelliarmas> he'd be a great spy, nobody would pay him any mind [14:25] <gryffindelle> he might be able to get them info [14:26] <aranelparmadil> Can you use legilimens on someone with little brain? [14:26] <gryffindelle> lol [14:26] <Sidrat2006> Either that or they'd kill him to save time [14:26] <Expelliarmas> that's the point [14:26] <LJ> haha [14:26] <Expelliarmas> who would have thought Peter was a turncoat? [14:26] <Expelliarmas> a guy described as being talentless [14:27] <gryffindelle> i didn't [14:27] <Sidrat2006> The name is a bit of a giveaway though, don't you think? [14:27] <Expelliarmas> who pays attention to mundungus? [14:27] <Sidrat2006> Wormtail is hardly a nice grand name is it [14:27] <gryffindelle> nobody, expel [14:27] <Expelliarmas> but Wormtail was a nickname [14:28] <Sidrat2006> Mundungus is an honest criminal though. [14:28] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:28] <Sidrat2006> you can expect him to do the expected for that type [14:28] <Expelliarmas> except for that stealing of Sirius' stuff, he's a great guy [14:28] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:28] <Sidrat2006> Wormtail (even if it is only a nickname), came as a surprise [14:28] <Expelliarmas> true [14:28] <gryffindelle> and he probably has a horcrux [14:28] <gryffindelle> dung does [14:29] <Sidrat2006> well, he might not have known who it belonged to, so opportunity outweighed the risks [14:29] <Expelliarmas> thanks for clarifying [14:29] <gryffindelle> *mundungus [14:29] <aranelparmadil> Mundungus? Definitely [14:29] <Expelliarmas> think mundungus sold the locket, hmmm locket ... lockhart [14:29] <gryffindelle> kreacher might have the locket [14:29] <gryffindelle> no the goblet [14:29] <gryffindelle> as mundungus's [14:30] <gryffindelle> from hbp [14:30] <aranelparmadil> Got to go. Got a five year old bouncing on my laptop who needs to be packed off to bed. Thanks for the chat! [14:31] <Expelliarmas> c ya l8r [14:31] <Sidrat2006> see you [14:31] <Belenzie> its in kreachers "den" [14:31] <Expelliarmas> eewww [14:31] <Aislinn> bye aranel [14:32] <gryffindelle> c ya [14:32] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:32] *** aranelparmadil has quit [Bye] [14:32] <gryffindelle> belenzie [14:33] <Expelliarmas> so sorry, dozed off, what have I missed? [14:34] <Sidrat2006> not a lot [14:34] <Belenzie> yes gryffindelle?? [14:34] <Expelliarmas> did it seem as if Lockhart was fishing for stories when he went to visit with Hagrid? [14:34] <Sidrat2006> can I interrupt the discussion about Lockhart for about five minutes and pass my idea on an essay for scribulus. I'm in need of direction [14:35] <Expelliarmas> go for it [14:35] <Sidrat2006> You're question is better though [14:35] <gryffindelle> sry [14:35] <Sidrat2006> Even Lockhart wouldn't be that stupid to attempt a memory charm on Hagrid! [14:35] <gryffindelle> its probably in kreacher's den [14:35] <Expelliarmas> I think he tries the memory charm after he harvests the memories. [14:36] <Expelliarmas> Did he put the memories in bottles and did he have a pensieve? [14:36] <Sidrat2006> in the Pottercast (the main one), they talked briefly about parenting roles in the series, I was am attempting to do an.... [14:36] <Expelliarmas> an essay? [14:36] <Sidrat2006> essay on the parenting styles featured in the series, and was wondering if it would interest people [14:37] <Sidrat2006> indeed [14:37] <Expelliarmas> i'd read it [14:37] <Belenzie> why not?? [14:37] <gryffindelle> me too [14:37] <Sidrat2006> Not promising it's going to be interesting. [14:37] <Sidrat2006> not even promising it'll be hosted [14:37] <Expelliarmas> well don't promise it'll be boring, either [14:37] <Sidrat2006> It's the shape of the essay that I'm having trouble with. The whole parenting thing is a very very wide scope [14:38] <Sidrat2006> My writing is never boring. [14:38] <Expelliarmas> then for sure I'll read what you write [14:38] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:38] <Sidrat2006> occasionaly pointless and that's where the problem lies in essence. [14:38] <Expelliarmas> what are you focusing on? [14:38] <Sidrat2006> good question. [14:39] <Expelliarmas> molly is rich for analysis [14:39] <Expelliarmas> so's arthur [14:39] <Sidrat2006> Really focusing on the fact that the series is a childrens book that features atleast three types of family units [14:39] <Expelliarmas> dursleys, malfoys, weasleys? [14:39] <Sidrat2006> molly and arthur is a unit, they could be taken seperately but they aren't seperated. Their role is a combined one [14:39] <Sidrat2006> correct [14:40] <Sidrat2006> and out of those three distinct family groups two of them are single child families, and 100 percent are two parent families. [14:40] <Sidrat2006> Not even Jo had a partner when she was writing the series. [14:40] <Expelliarmas> no, she was divorced, right [14:40] <Sidrat2006> okay, Harry is an orphan, but he was still raised in a family from very early [14:41] <Sidrat2006> I believe so. [14:41] <LJ> Looking at the larger scheme of things, do you think JKR is trying to teach us a lesson with Lockhart's character? If so, what is she proposing to tell us and do you think her point is taken? [14:41] <Sidrat2006> I'm not focusing on the lack of single parents either. It's not important. [14:41] <gryffindelle> maybe [14:41] <gryffindelle> lj [14:42] <Sidrat2006> LJ, her point with the character is that fame isn't everything it's cracked up to be. Harry doesn't want to be famous for being an orphan [14:42] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:42] <Expelliarmas> there's also the "what goes around comes around" point [14:43] <Sidrat2006> and who would?? Her point is that bad things happen to good people and occasionally....exactly what expelliarmas wrote [14:44] <Sidrat2006> and even people that look good shouldn't be taken at face value, because Lockhart has no worth as a "human" being. [14:44] <Expelliarmas> does lockhart redeem himself? [assuming he finds his marbles] [14:44] <Sidrat2006> He's certainly not a figure one should respect or look up to. [14:45] <Sidrat2006> He is who he is. A vain man. Even during the hospital scene he was the same character, but with no memories [14:46] <Expelliarmas> so no remorse for what he did to others? If not, then here's hoping he never recovers. [14:46] <Expelliarmas> Would rather see the longbottoms make a mental comeback. [14:46] <Sidrat2006> He's certainly less dangerous in his current form. [14:47] <Sidrat2006> After fifteen years in that state wouldn't death be kinder to all concerned? [14:47] <Expelliarmas> for the longbottoms? [14:47] <Sidrat2006> yes [14:47] <Expelliarmas> no, I think there's hope for them and lupin. [14:48] <gryffindelle> and bill [14:48] <Expelliarmas> yes, bill [14:48] <Sidrat2006> Lupin is a werewolf. It's something he's lived with. Does he need or want a cure?? [14:48] <Sidrat2006> Would it not take away part of his identity? [14:48] <Expelliarmas> he was deliberately bitten by what's his name [14:49] <LJ> After CoS, we see Lockhart in OotP; were you surprised to find Lockhart in St. Mungo's? How did his characterization there make you feel? For instance, were you less judgemental of him than in CoS? [14:49] <Expelliarmas> still can't stand Lockhart, he deserved what he got, like aunt marge [14:49] <Sidrat2006> oh well he could certainly take revenge, but isn't Murder a mortal wound to the very soul? [14:49] <gryffindelle> yes [14:49] <Sidrat2006> Like I said before LJ, he is the same person in the hospital and in the CoS. [14:50] <gryffindelle> i still dont like him, but i kinda felt bad for him [14:50] <Expelliarmas> true [14:50] <Expelliarmas> I don't feel badly for him. What about the others he stole memories from? What happened to them? [14:50] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [14:51] <Expelliarmas> was Lockhart still able to perform magic in his condition, what about the Longbottoms? [14:51] <gryffindelle> yeah, but I think we'll still see him again and he'll end up giving someone valuable info, probably the good side [14:51] <Aislinn> hi prongs! [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [14:51] <gryffindelle> i dont think so, expel [14:51] <Sidrat2006> Hmmm. [14:51] <gryffindelle> but we don't really know [14:51] <LJ> I wonder if he's accomplished in the Memory Charm enough to just take those memories? He planned on making Harry and Ron lke he turned out [14:51] <Expelliarmas> I have no idea [14:51] <LJ> so is it only complete memory loss he's good at? [14:51] <Sidrat2006> Time for me to go. [14:52] <gryffindelle> no clue [14:52] <Sidrat2006> have fun people [14:52] *** Sidrat2006 has quit [Bye] [14:52] <Expelliarmas> i think he was deliberately trying to erase Harry/Ron's memories. too much force. [14:52] <Aislinn> I think he was attacking them in a more radical way than he did the folks he stole from for his books [14:52] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder if any of his former victims are in St. Mungo's with him... [14:52] <Aislinn> he wanted to get away cleanly [14:52] <gryffindelle> yeah [14:52] <Expelliarmas> lockhart's victims are not known as victims. so they likely got no treatment. [14:53] <gryffindelle> i have a quick off-topic comment: why are there so few ppl here today [14:53] <Expelliarmas> lumos [14:53] <gryffindelle> ? [14:53] <gryffindelle> oh [14:53] <gryffindelle> are any of you at lumos? [14:53] <Expelliarmas> nooooooo [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> shame, really--that would be an interesting meeeting! [14:54] <Expelliarmas> can't wait to hear pottercast [14:54] <gryffindelle> is there gonna be one this week? [14:54] <Expelliarmas> there'd better be! [14:54] <Belenzie> was there a way to register for lumos without using the internet?? This post has been edited by Aislinn: Jul 29 2006, 02:11 PM |
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[14:54] <LJ> the live one
[14:54] <gryffindelle> or the live one [14:54] <LJ> there's not a regular one [14:54] <gryffindelle> aren't they all at lumos, though [14:54] <LJ> there's all the live ones they'll do [14:54] <gryffindelle> oh well [14:55] <gryffindelle> I was gonna get to go to the one tomorrow, w/ emmerson and melissa [14:55] <gryffindelle> and cheryl [14:55] <Aislinn> we're almost out of time, folks. Final thoughts? [14:55] <Belenzie> cuz i want to register for prophecy but i can't use the internet to do it [14:55] <gryffindelle> but something came up and now I'm really upset [14:55] <LJ> where are you? [14:55] <Expelliarmas> *am green with envy* [14:55] <LJ> gryffindelle? [14:55] <gryffindelle> who? [14:55] <gryffindelle> la [14:55] <LJ> cool [14:56] * Belenzie feels ignored [14:56] <Belenzie> sad [14:56] <gryffindelle> about 15 minutes from the grove, but instead I have to be somewhere elso at 1PM thats about an hour away [14:56] <LJ> booo [14:56] <gryffindelle> nobody ever comes to LA, and now i can't go [14:56] <LJ> Belenzie: why can't you register over the net? [14:56] * gryffindelle iis done ranting [14:56] <LJ> don't they do that? [14:56] <gryffindelle> *is [14:57] <LJ> oh, you don't want to register over the net? [14:57] <Belenzie> you need a crdit card and i don't have [14:57] <LJ> umm, I'm not sure about Lumos - I think you had to, but could pay by check [14:57] <Aislinn> they probably have contact information, and would be willing to send you information if you e-mail them [14:58] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [14:58] <Aislinn> and then you could pay by check [14:58] <gryffindelle> I can't go to any of these conventions/conferences [14:58] <Belenzie> cuz i live really close to toronto so it wouldn't be a bother to go there and register [14:58] <gryffindelle> lucky [14:58] <Belenzie> in person [14:58] <LJ> Belenzie: you can pay through paypal [14:58] <Belenzie> is anyone going to the new orleans one?? [14:59] <Expelliarmas> when is that? [14:59] <LJ> err, no [14:59] <gryffindelle> no [14:59] <Belenzie> bye [14:59] <LJ> I'm in Wales [14:59] <Belenzie> g2g [14:59] <Belenzie> thanks [14:59] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [14:59] <gryffindelle> is anyone else in the uk? [14:59] <Aislinn> ok, folks time to wrap up - thanks for chatting today! [14:59] <gryffindelle> ok [15:00] <Expelliarmas> c u all later [15:00] <gryffindelle> is there one on wed? [15:00] <gryffindelle> or was it cancelled [15:00] <LJ> I am in the UK [15:00] <Aislinn> no, gryff, not this wednesday [15:00] <gryffindelle> ok, thanks [15:00] <Aislinn> sorry [15:00] <LJ> people are in NY [15:00] <Aislinn> Jo! --------------------  To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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