Reading Group Chat Transcript 8/26/06, Remus Lupin |
 Aug 26 2006, 02:25 PM
Post
#1
|
|
Chief Cat Herder  Posts: 3,514 Joined: 10:28am August 6, 2005 Location: In the Corner Booth - home of the elusive Holy Grain!    |
Reading group leaders participating in chat: Moriah, Islwyn13, pleshette
Corner booth mods: Expelliarmas(and RG leader), Aislinn, futureweasley, SoonerGryffindor [12:55] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:55] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:55] *** topic: Reading Group Open Chat on Remus Lupin (Aislinn) [12:57] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:58] <Expelliarmas> do you see me? [12:59] <futureweasley> yes [12:59] <futureweasley> I can see you know [12:59] <futureweasley> *now [13:00] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:00] *** Moriah has joined #lounge [13:00] <futureweasley> hiya guy! [13:00] *** Punky has joined #lounge [13:00] <harryfreak359> hey1 [13:00] <futureweasley> Yay Punky! [13:00] <Aislinn> hi folks! [13:00] <Punky> Hey smile [13:00] <Moriah> Hi! smile [13:00] <harryfreak359> hello [13:00] <Aislinn> oops, that's better [13:01] <Expelliarmas> Aislinn you look good in blue [13:01] <harryfreak359> lol [13:01] <futureweasley> yes you do [13:01] <Aislinn> Why, thank you! biggrin [13:01] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:01] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has joined #lounge [13:01] *** Sofie has joined #lounge [13:01] * futureweasley pinches Punky on the cheek! Aww! [13:01] <Expelliarmas> sooner, gfab--hello! [13:01] <Punky> Ouch! [13:01] <harryfreak359> hey sooner, GFAB, Sofie! [13:01] <Sofie> evening all! smile [13:01] <Aislinn> ah cool, we're getting a nice crowd gathering smile [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> hey all [13:01] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hi Expel and all [13:01] <futureweasley> hi Sofie, Sooner, GFAB!! [13:01] <Punky> Hi Ginny [13:01] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> hi F/W [13:02] <Sofie> *waves* [13:02] <harryfreak359> I don't know how long I can stay... [13:02] <Aislinn> hello everybody! [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Woo hoo!!! REmus [13:02] * Moriah waves to everyone [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> :heart: [13:02] <futureweasley> :swoon: [13:02] <Moriah> Yay Remus!! [13:02] <futureweasley> lol [13:02] <Aislinn> i absolutely adore Remus! [13:02] <futureweasley> me too! [13:02] <Sofie> lol, lots of Remus fans smile [13:02] <Moriah> Me too! [13:02] <Sofie> i like him too [13:02] <harryfreak359> he's okay.... [13:02] <Moriah> Uh-oh ;) [13:02] <harryfreak359> but definitely not my favorite [13:02] *** miss_danielle has joined #lounge [13:02] *** Hagiographer13 has joined #lounge [13:03] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hiya Punkmeister! [13:03] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [13:03] <gryffindelle> hey [13:03] <miss_danielle> hello everyone! [13:03] <futureweasley> hi guys! [13:03] <Sofie> hi guys! [13:03] <Punky> Hi Ginster [13:03] <Moriah> Hi all! [13:03] <harryfreak359> hey everyone! [13:03] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol [13:03] <Hagiographer13> Hola! [13:03] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Ickle Punkychops [13:04] <gryffindelle> how are you all today? [13:04] <harryfreak359> good [13:04] <Aislinn> great! [13:04] <Moriah> Tired but otherwise great. You? [13:04] <Hagiographer13> Stunning! [13:04] <harryfreak359> have a bit of a headache though [13:04] <miss_danielle> i'm great thanks! [13:04] <gryffindelle> fine [13:04] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [13:04] <futureweasley> the Punky fanclub is in the house! [13:04] <gryffindelle> hi nymph [13:04] <Punky> Ah shhh [13:04] <nympheart> hello [13:05] <Sofie> hi smile [13:05] <harryfreak359> hey [13:05] *** Narya has joined #lounge [13:05] <futureweasley> hi nympheart [13:05] <Sofie> hey narya! [13:05] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [13:05] <Belenzie> hey all [13:05] <nympheart> hi futureweasley [13:05] <Aislinn> hi, folks [13:05] <gryffindelle> hi belenzie and narya [13:05] <Moriah> Hiya! [13:05] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> brb [13:05] <Aislinn> narya, did you see the addition to UTF? [13:06] <Sofie> *silence* [13:06] <harryfreak359> . . . [13:06] <Aislinn> lol [13:06] <Expelliarmas> UTF? [13:06] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [13:06] <futureweasley> Unfogging the Future [13:06] <Aislinn> unfogging the future [13:06] <futureweasley> hi Fawkes [13:06] <fawkes28> hello! [13:06] <Sofie> hi! [13:07] <Belenzie> it's professor floofy we're talking about today......wasn't there a chat about him a few months ago? [13:07] <harryfreak359> hey [13:07] <Hagiographer13> So, Lupin, anyone? [13:07] <Aislinn> so, does everyone know about our new chat that we're starting tomorrow? [13:07] <Belenzie> no [13:07] <Moriah> Yay P3! [13:07] <gryffindelle> it sounds awesome [13:07] <nympheart> new chat? [13:07] <Punky> nope [13:07] <Sofie> nope [13:07] <fawkes28> yes, it sounds exciting! [13:07] <harryfreak359> yes! [13:07] <miss_danielle> oooh i don't [13:07] <futureweasley> I'm so excited about P3!! [13:07] <Aislinn> Post-Prince Predictions is the name [13:07] <Aislinn> or P3 for short [13:07] <harryfreak359> It sounds awesome! [13:07] <Sofie> p3? [13:07] <Sofie> lol [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> :excited: [13:08] <Aislinn> we'll be entering into the realm of guesswork for the final book [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> w00t2 [13:08] <Moriah> What time again, Aislinn? [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> there we go [13:08] <Aislinn> 3 PM est [13:08] <Punky> that sounds great! [13:08] <fawkes28> lol [13:08] <Sofie> EST? [13:08] <harryfreak359> whoa sooner.... [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> what? [13:08] <Aislinn> yes, sofie [13:08] <gryffindelle> eastern standard time [13:08] *** TrinarySystem has joined #lounge [13:08] <harryfreak359> I feel the same way! [13:08] <Sofie> that 9pm for me. thats ok smile [13:08] <miss_danielle> oooh nice reasonable 8pm for me then [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> we wanted to pick a time where everyone could get a chance to join in [13:09] <Aislinn> we tried to pick a time that would fit the most time zones - a big challenge! [13:09] <futureweasley> we tried to make it "UK friendly" [13:09] <harryfreak359> a reasonable noon for me [13:09] <gryffindelle> 12 PM here [13:09] <Sofie> lets hope i wont forget lol [13:09] <miss_danielle> not that i get up for anything being a lazy student [13:09] <fawkes28> hehe i get to be here at the normal time [13:09] <nympheart> so do i [13:09] <Belenzie> g [13:09] <gryffindelle> the PC chats are the only ones I can't go to, I finish school just when they end [13:09] <Belenzie> is it only on sundays?? [13:10] <futureweasley> yes, Post-Prince Predictions are Sundays only [13:10] <miss_danielle> sounds awesome. Im now very excited smile [13:10] <Sofie> i like the title biggrin [13:10] <Belenzie> bugger i won't be able to join [13:10] * Belenzie cries [13:10] * Moriah gives Belenzie some chocolate [13:10] <Sofie> we could call it Snape Chat smile [13:10] *** theotherhermit has joined #lounge [13:10] <Belenzie> lol [13:10] <miss_danielle> P3 is cool, but sounds a bit like a tax form as well [13:10] <nympheart> lol [13:10] <Moriah> Hi hermit! [13:10] <harryfreak359> lol [13:11] <Belenzie> or the club from charmed [13:11] <Sofie> P3 sound like a new sever name [13:11] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol [13:11] <gryffindelle> whats the topic tomorrow? [13:11] <Expelliarmas> "P3" turned out to be the obvious abbreviation as you can imagine [13:11] <futureweasley> Diagon Alley... [13:11] <Sofie> as long as its not called Fiddy, im fine [13:11] <futureweasley> and the disappearances of Fortescue and Ollivander [13:12] <fawkes28> dun dun dun [13:12] <Moriah> Oh, cool, future [13:12] <Sofie> oh, interesting [13:12] <Sofie> no snape yet sad [13:12] <nympheart> lol [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> and what we think might happen to WWW [13:12] <nympheart> he'll find a way in [13:12] <Aislinn> doesn't he always? [13:12] <Aislinn> smile [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> and how knockturn alley might fit into the whole mess [13:12] <Punky> of course smile [13:12] <futureweasley> Snape isn't an issue to be discussed...it's obvious that he's evile [13:12] <Sofie> :D [13:12] <futureweasley> lol [13:12] * harryfreak359 is munching on strawberries and offers them around [13:12] <Moriah> lol [13:12] <miss_danielle> the greasey one manages to grease his way in at all opportunities [13:12] <fawkes28> oh future [13:12] * Sofie disagrees [13:12] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [13:13] <Moriah> Aw, poor Snape [13:13] <futureweasley> ok, ok...I'm kidding [13:13] <harryfreak359> Future! [13:13] <futureweasley> not really, but for all intensive purposes [13:13] <nympheart> lol [13:13] <Moriah> hahah [13:13] <Sofie> we are alreaddy talking about him ...nice :P [13:13] <harryfreak359> how could you say he is evil! [13:13] <futureweasley> I didn't...you can't prove that! [13:13] <nympheart> evil is a simplification, but that's kind of the idea, imo [13:13] * futureweasley zips the lips [13:13] <Moriah> :lol: [13:13] * SoonerGryffindor is glaring at Futureweasley now for talking bad about her fave professor [13:14] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [13:14] <fawkes28> apparantly future is best friends with snape [13:14] <miss_danielle> lol [13:14] <Islwyn13> Hey everyone smile [13:14] <Moriah> Wait, Lupin's not your fav professor, Sooner? [13:14] * harryfreak359 is glaring at future too [13:14] <futureweasley> lol [13:14] <Sofie> hey [13:14] <Aislinn> girls, girls - break it up now [13:14] <Islwyn13> forgot about chat, sorry sad [13:14] <Moriah> Hi Islwyn! [13:14] <Narya> Narya is glaring at them all for talking about Snape [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> well.... [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> it would be a hard choice [13:14] <harryfreak359> hey Islwyn! [13:14] <Aislinn> hi islwyn [13:14] * futureweasley loves loves love Lupin [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> but Snape really is my fave [13:14] <fawkes28> hey islwyn [13:14] <harryfreak359> Snape is definitely better than Lupin [13:14] <nympheart> except the problem is lupin is my fav professor, and he's who we're supposed to be talking about [13:14] <Islwyn13> eek! [13:14] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [13:14] * Sofie agrees with SG smile [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> wb Gryffindelle [13:15] <gryffindelle> internet problems, anyway i'm back [13:15] <Islwyn13> Snape better than Lupin as a teacher? [13:15] <harryfreak359> uhhhhh [13:15] <gryffindelle> no [13:15] <Moriah> I like Snape but not nearly as much as Lupin [13:15] <nympheart> no [13:15] <harryfreak359> maybe.... [13:15] <harryfreak359> or not [13:15] <Islwyn13> hehe [13:15] <Sofie> the HBP was a better teacher that Lupin IMHO [13:15] <TrinarySystem> Don't let Jo hear you say that. [13:15] <Islwyn13> I'd say no [13:15] <Narya> Lupin is the better teacher [13:15] <nympheart> DADA benefited more from Lupin [13:15] <harryfreak359> I think Snape is a better character though [13:15] <Aislinn> OK, breaking into this Snape discussion..... [13:15] <fawkes28> and we all say "lupin is our king" [13:15] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [13:16] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [13:16] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Meg got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:17] <Expelliarmas> Remus Lupin has been described by many as kind, gentle, compassionate and graceful under extreme circumstances. He has been voted the favorite new character from PoA, with more than 50% of Lily and Stag members choosing him over five other new characters. [13:17] <Expelliarmas> Lupin first comes to our attention as the poor and sickly professor sleeping in the trio's train compartment. He has a subtle sense of humor and special attention to the self-confidence and success of all his students. [13:17] <Expelliarmas> It is in the final chapters, though, where we learn the most about Lupin. He is a werewolf who has not been able to find steady work due to the prejudice surrounding his condition. We learn of the bite, coming to Hogwarts against all odds and becoming friends with the Marauders. With Sirius' help, they explain the true nature of the Potters’ betrayal. [13:17] <Expelliarmas> It is with Lupin's convincing that Harry comes to believe in Sirius' innocence. But because Lupin failed to take the Wolfsbane potion, Peter escapes and Lupin endangers many lives. He resigns from Hogwarts the next day once word gets out about his condition, knowing he cannot risk the safety of those at Hogwarts. [13:18] <Expelliarmas> So, let's get this chat underway, What were your first impressions of Lupin upon first meeting him on the train? Did you find it unusual for Lupin to be on the train? Why or why not? [13:18] <Islwyn13> and who let word of his condition out? Snape, of course [13:18] <futureweasley> I'm getting all teary!! [13:18] <nympheart> lol [13:18] <harryfreak359> lol [13:18] <miss_danielle> lol so am i [13:18] <Sofie> we were taling about it in my RG and we came to the conclusion that he was there on DD's ordesr [13:18] <Islwyn13> I saw the movie before reading the book, but I was suspicious of Lupin, I admit it [13:18] <Narya> I didn't find it unusual for Lupin to be on the train [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> oh man, that was beautiful [13:18] <Aislinn> he is awfully special, isn't he? [13:18] <fawkes28> i thought it was odd when i first read it since there was an adult on the train [13:18] <miss_danielle> yes he is smile [13:19] <nympheart> I thought it was weird [13:19] <futureweasley> I knew that Lupin would be a great asset to Harry when they first met him [13:19] <Islwyn13> Now, though, I think he was placed there [13:19] <Narya> Lupin is a really special wizard, I agree [13:19] <harryfreak359> I didn't pay any attention [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was planned for him to be on the train [13:19] <Narya> I do too [13:19] <harryfreak359> to the fact he was on the train [13:19] <Islwyn13> And in Harry's compartment [13:19] <futureweasley> yes, me too SG [13:19] <fawkes28> i didnt think he was that great of a wizard sad shame on me [13:19] <miss_danielle> i didnt either [13:19] <Expelliarmas> Sofie, why did you guys conclude he was there on DD's orders? [13:19] <Sofie> i think he was also too ill ti apperate [13:19] <Hagiographer13> Sluggy took the train too. I think it was just his preference. A little extra shut-eye--maybe Dementor Protection , though--hmmmmm [13:19] <Aislinn> but they went into his compartment, not the other way around [13:20] <nympheart> he just wanted to be introduced to the students [13:20] <Islwyn13> Sluggy was on train to recruit for Slug club [13:20] <Belenzie> beacuse DD knew that there would be dementorrs and Lupin would know how to fight them? [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> it no co-incidence either that he is the last known surviving maurader and he got the DADA position the year that Sirius escaped [13:20] <Aislinn> he was already in there asleep [13:20] <miss_danielle> i did like him instantly though - any man giving out chocolate is fine by me [13:20] <Islwyn13> and other than him, no other teacher has ridden the train [13:20] <Sofie> well, since DD is syping on Harry since PS, for me it was obvious. i dont like DD i may add [13:20] *** MidnightPhoenix has joined #lounge [13:20] <fawkes28> i dont think DD ordered him to be there I think that Lupin made the decision to be there [13:20] <harryfreak359> Lol danielle [13:20] <Narya> They went into his compartment because no other students would go in [13:20] <Islwyn13> lol, danielle [13:20] <TrinarySystem> Has anyone else noticed how subtle JKR is in showing how special Lupin is? She almost always invites readers to underestimate him and then turns it around. [13:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think he took the train as it was probably the cheapest means of transport for him [13:20] *** Moriah has quit [Bye] [13:20] *** MidnightPhoenix has quit [Bye] [13:20] <nympheart> how would lupin be placed in Harry's compartment, Harry just sat there because it was the only one left [13:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> didn't get anything more than that from it [13:20] <fawkes28> he is the underdog [13:20] <Islwyn13> Well, they put their stuff in the compartment before going back out to say goodbye to Mr. and Mrs. Weasley [13:20] <futureweasley> yes Trinary...I love how she does that [13:20] <miss_danielle> i agree Ginny [13:20] <Islwyn13> Then Lupin went in [13:20] <Islwyn13> then they went back [13:20] <Aislinn> I think so too, ginbot [13:21] <fawkes28> i think that lupin felt like he owed it to james to protect harry [13:21] <Islwyn13> agreed [13:21] <futureweasley> Lupin is the underdog...always questioning his own abilities...but still managing to have a certain level of self-respect [13:21] <miss_danielle> yep [13:21] <TrinarySystem> He looks so weak and sick. Ron even wonders if he's dead. Then he springs into action against the dementor. [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the same compartment thing might have been coincidence, but him being on the train was definitely not [13:21] <Hagiographer13> Good point [13:21] <Sofie> wonder what kind of chocolate did he gaive to the kids... [13:21] <Narya> I'm pretty sure that Lupin was there on DD's orders - as a member of the Order [13:21] <Islwyn13> and probably really wanted to meet his best friend's son in any case [13:21] <gryffindelle> I think that it was planned for him to be on the train, its just always wierd when a teacher is on the train [13:21] <Narya> There's an element of that too Islwyn [13:21] <Sofie> i agree SG [13:21] <TrinarySystem> We don't know if the Order was operational at that point, though. [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> sluggy was the only other teacher we've seen on the train [13:21] <Islwyn13> Order hadn't been reconveined yet [13:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmm - even though we're given the impression that he is disadvantaged I didn't really feel pity for him [13:22] <Narya> The Order was always operational - but underground [13:22] <Islwyn13> happened at the end of GOF [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> right you are on that Islwyn [13:22] *** CrazyChlojo has joined #lounge [13:22] <futureweasley> I think he needed to be on the train because Sirius was on the loose, and noone yet knew of his innocence [13:22] <Aislinn> your book must be different than mine isl [13:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> From the get-go, I respected him even before he took action [13:22] <fawkes28> why gin? [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree FW [13:22] <futureweasley> Lupin was there to protect... [13:22] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [13:22] <nympheart> i doubt many thought lupin could stand up to sirius [13:22] <harryfreak359> I agree with you isl.. [13:22] <Islwyn13> I thought DD specifically said something aout recalling the order, Narya... [13:22] <Islwyn13> am I misremembering? [13:22] <miss_danielle> yeh i think maybe he could help with Sirius' capture - and he could have but he didnt [13:22] <Narya> He did [13:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I'm not sure - it's something I could never explain [13:22] <harryfreak359> no islwyn...thats what I remember too [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> DD knew that if anyone could protect Harry from SIrius, then it was one of his former best friends [13:22] <Narya> but I bet he had recalled it before [13:22] <Sofie> you are right, islw [13:23] <Narya> those he could trust [13:23] <CrazyChlojo> i don't know if dumbledore would expect him to help with sirius' capture, md [13:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I'm not sure if it was the way he composed himself even while he was sleeping - probably part of it [13:23] <TrinarySystem> He has too much dignity for pity to sit well with him. In fact, he's really the only good or ambiguous adult character of any importance that is alwasy treated with respect by Jo. [13:23] <futureweasley> yes, the only "survivor" [13:23] <Expelliarmas> I think DD thought Lupin was up to the task of protecting Harry from Sirius. [13:23] <Punky> I agree with you Ginny, there was always an element of respect there rather than pity [13:23] <futureweasley> yes Expie...I agree [13:23] <Expelliarmas> DD made Lupin a prefect in the hopes he would control his two best friends [13:23] <miss_danielle> well he was the person who knew Sirius best still alive [13:23] <harryfreak359> I think he just felt sorry for Remus and gave him the job [13:23] *** Moriah has joined #lounge [13:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> If he was described as shrivelled up in his slumber I may have thought otherwise [13:23] <Islwyn13> and Lupin couldn't [13:23] <Narya> No one could control James and Sirius at that point [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I disagree harryfreak [13:23] <CrazyChlojo> i dont think he felt sorry for him, hf [13:23] <Islwyn13> by Lupin's own admission [13:23] <TrinarySystem> He has a sense of humor, but he himself is never treated in a silly way by the author. [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was very smart timing [13:24] <Narya> and I don't think DD had pity on Remus - I think it was respect [13:24] <fawkes28> i think lupin took his own initiative with harry not DD [13:24] <nympheart> was Umbridge's law in effect before Lupin taught, or as a result of his transforming on the grounds? [13:24] <miss_danielle> DD doesnt pity people - he knows how strong Lupin is [13:24] <Sofie> wonder if it was a coinsidence that DD gave Lupin the DADA job exactly when Sirius escaped [13:24] <Expelliarmas> I don't think DD would give the jinxed DADA job to someone he respected. [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> to hire Lupin the year that Sirius escaped [13:24] <Aislinn> I agree, narya [13:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> No - I think DD holds nothing but respect for Lupin [13:24] <harryfreak359> well I have never thought about it much, that s just what I thought at the time of reading th ebook [13:24] <Islwyn13> he respected Moody, too [13:24] <futureweasley> agreed GFAB [13:24] <Islwyn13> and gave him the job [13:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> agree - Narya - in oter words [13:24] <miss_danielle> it was to do with Sirius for sure. why he was hired [13:24] <Moriah> I wouldn't be surprised if DD had approached Lupin before but Lupin didn't accept until this year [13:24] <Islwyn13> He knows they'll be gone at teh end of the year... [13:24] <Narya> DD knew the student and the man - and respected them both [13:24] <Islwyn13> but not how they will be gone [13:24] *** theotherhermit has quit [Bye] [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> sofie, I do not think that it was coincidence [13:24] <TrinarySystem> In CoS, DD says he'll have to place an ad in the Daily Prophet for a new DADA teacher. Lupin may have answered it. [13:25] <fawkes28> i think lupin accepted because he felt like he could be useful [13:25] <Narya> I think that was a decoy ad, Trinary [13:25] <Islwyn13> and he felt betrayed by Sirius too [13:25] <Aislinn> yeah, it makes sense that DD would bring one of Sirius' best friends to Hogwarts the year that Sirius escapes [13:25] <Expelliarmas> I think DD recruited Lupin [13:25] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes T/S - may have done [13:25] <Narya> DD already knew he wanted Remus for the job [13:25] <miss_danielle> precisely [13:25] <TrinarySystem> I may have been , but there's no evidence one way or another. [13:25] <CrazyChlojo> i dont know if it makes sense, aislinn [13:25] <Islwyn13> what better way to get back at him than to thwart Sirius' plan to kill Harry? [13:25] <futureweasley> in light of Sirius's escape from Azkaban...Lupin HAD to believe that Sirius would go to Hogwarts... [13:25] <nympheart> If Umbridge's law was placed before the school year, that just could have been one of the few places Lupin thought he could get a job [13:25] <harryfreak359> I think it was just coincidence... [13:25] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [13:25] <futureweasley> the only home Snuffles had ever really known [13:25] <fawkes28> also because everyone thought sirius was bad that harry could have a father like figure [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, FW that makes me so sad [13:25] <futureweasley> Lupin felt he had to be there [13:25] <miss_danielle> Awww snuffles [13:26] <harryfreak359> but I again, I haven't thought much about it [13:26] <nympheart> Snuffles was at home at James's house [13:26] <CrazyChlojo> because of the history between the two, i think it would be cruel to expect lupin to help in the capture or tell harry about sirius's "role" in his parents' death [13:26] <gryffindelle> internet problems, again [13:26] <Islwyn13> I agree, FW [13:26] * SoonerGryffindor is going to cry now [13:26] <futureweasley> was he, nymph? [13:26] <harryfreak359> I hate that gryff [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> happy_crying [13:26] <TrinarySystem> OOTP makes it sound like Umbridge's law had only recently come into effect. [13:26] <nympheart> he lived there after he got kicked out [13:26] <gryffindelle> what was the question [13:26] <gryffindelle> ? [13:26] <Aislinn> but he could be there as a sort of barrier between sirius and harry chlojo [13:26] <Moriah> He was obvisouly a better teacher than Quirrell and Lockhart [13:26] <Aislinn> possibly to reason with sirius if he came after harry [13:26] <futureweasley> agreed Aislinn [13:26] <Expelliarmas> CC, I don't know it's cruel, we later learn Lupin thought Sirius a traitor, so he might have been motivated [13:26] <Islwyn13> and it would help to alleviate some of Lupin's guilt about Sirius [13:26] <Moriah> Sorry, my messages are coming through late... if at all [13:26] <Islwyn13> I think he feels he should have done more to protect James and Lily [13:27] <CrazyChlojo> i suppose. i still think it would be rather heartless of DD to do that, though [13:27] <harryfreak359> the best teacher for DADA at the least [13:27] <Islwyn13> And protecting Harry is a way to make up for it [13:27] <nympheart> OotP says the law went into affect two years before and I could never figure out if it meant before or after Harry's third year [13:27] <TrinarySystem> He's the author's ideal for a teacher. [13:27] <Islwyn13> I think Lupin WANTED to do it [13:27] <Aislinn> it sometimes helps to leave and come back moriah, when you lag like that [13:27] <miss_danielle> yeh i think he felt like he owed something to his dead friends [13:27] *** theotherhermit has joined #lounge [13:27] <fawkes28> yes i am sure he feels some guilt [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> uh.... Snape was the best DADA teacher actually [13:27] <Narya> He feels guilt but there's no need [13:27] <nympheart> grrr, no [13:27] <Islwyn13> I don't agree [13:27] <Moriah> I think it's better now, Aislinn, thanks [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> but Lupin was the next best [13:27] * Sofie is getting depressed by the topic sad [13:27] <Narya> I disagree Sooner [13:27] <gryffindelle> question?? [13:27] <Aislinn> I think he would have seen it as a way to help James' son [13:27] <Hagiographer13> No way! [13:27] <CrazyChlojo> not so much, soonerg [13:27] <futureweasley> I think Lupin had terrible issues with Guilt about Sirius [13:27] <Islwyn13> true, no need, but we're talkinga bout Lupin here smile [13:27] <Aislinn> so I don't see it as cruel [13:27] * Sofie once again agrees with SG [13:27] <harryfreak359> well I was excluding Snape sooner, [13:27] <miss_danielle> i agree Aislinn [13:27] <Narya> Remus was the better teacher - more of an all rounder [13:28] <fawkes28> yes agreed narya [13:28] <Islwyn13> and kind to his students [13:28] <Islwyn13> and fair [13:28] <CrazyChlojo> snape does nothing criticize and intimidate the students, lupin was willing to help them learn [13:28] <harryfreak359> Because Snape is definitely the best DADA teacher, [13:28] <Islwyn13> nope [13:28] <Narya> Objective and full of empathy [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> well, since this is not about snape I won't go into it, but I have a whole set of arguments on that [13:28] <harryfreak359> but so far, he is the best [13:28] <fawkes28> one of the best traits of ateacher is compassion - snape had none [13:28] <Expelliarmas> gryff--this is the question we're discussing-- What were your first impressions of Lupin upon first meeting him on the train? Did you find it unusual for Lupin to be on the train? Why or why not? [13:28] <harryfreak359> lupin I mean [13:28] <gryffindelle> thanks [13:28] <Islwyn13> we need a new thread (whols the better DADA teacher: Lupin or Snape smile) [13:28] <miss_danielle> expect fireworks [13:28] <harryfreak359> Nah, I didn't really pay attention, I just thought it was lucky [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> good idea Isl [13:29] <harryfreak359> Yes islwyn! [13:29] <Sofie> def Islw [13:29] <Islwyn13> but I truly believe Lupin was there on purpose [13:29] <Expelliarmas> Did you suspect Lupin had been a teacher somewhere else, before coming to Hogwarts? If so, where? [13:29] <harryfreak359> totally! [13:29] <Islwyn13> I think he saw Ha4rry's trunk, and went into that compartment [13:29] <harryfreak359> no [13:29] <CrazyChlojo> well, i'd say he was on the train as a precaution, in response to the question [13:29] <Islwyn13> I believe their names on on their trunks, aren't they? [13:29] <gryffindelle> I don't think so [13:29] <Sofie> i dont thinh he thought before [13:29] <miss_danielle> i think he might have been [13:29] <Hagiographer13> Durmstrang! LOL [13:29] <Narya> I don't think that Remus taught before coming to Hogwarts [13:29] <miss_danielle> lol [13:29] <Islwyn13> no, never a teacher before [13:29] <Sofie> lol [13:29] <TrinarySystem> I suspect that Lupin may have a mysterious tendency to be where he is always most needed. [13:29] <Sofie> beauxbatons? lol [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> the peeled letters on his trunk seem to imply that [13:29] <Narya> Immense natural abiilty, but didn't have the job before [13:29] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> It would be interesting to see what he had done before [13:29] <Expelliarmas> Lupin's briefcase identified him as "professor" and it was an old briefcase [13:29] <Islwyn13> he needs someone to make Wolfsbane potion, for one thing [13:29] <Moriah> Well, Madam Maxim might be more likely to give a werewolf a teaching job [13:30] <Aislinn> I don't think he was a teacher before, but he has a gift for it [13:30] <Islwyn13> and Snape is one of the best Potion Masters out there [13:30] <nympheart> I thought he may have taught in another country [13:30] <fawkes28> yes i agree gin [13:30] <futureweasley> he was practically penniless...I would say he was never teaching before [13:30] <Aislinn> its such a shame he wasn't able to continue [13:30] <fawkes28> it was probably tough for him to get a job [13:30] <Islwyn13> Well, Lupin's name is on his suitcase, just couldn't remmber if it was on the students' trunks or not [13:30] <futureweasley> he admits he had a hard time finding work [13:30] <Moriah> Yeah, probably, fawkes [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder why he had an old trunk that had "Professor R.J. Lupin" on it then? [13:30] <harryfreak359> yeah definitely fawkes [13:30] <TrinarySystem> That's probably the author's point. Lupin deserves much better than he gets. [13:30] <Narya> If he had had a job before Hogwarts, he wouldn't have been in the state he was in [13:30] <harryfreak359> no idea sooner... [13:30] <CrazyChlojo> well, teachers aren't known for having money, FW [13:30] <futureweasley> and notice that he doesn't work again after his tenure at Hogwarts [13:30] <Expelliarmas> well, teachers don't necessarily make a lot of money, do they? [13:30] <Narya> He was obviously poor [13:30] <Islwyn13> lots of people put their names on their suitcases [13:30] <Sofie> maybe just his trunk was old and not the paper that had his name on [13:30] <futureweasley> maybe DD gave him the trunk as a gift [13:30] <TrinarySystem> "unable to find paid work because of what I am" [13:30] <harryfreak359> but Professor, islwyn? [13:30] <miss_danielle> yes but he might have had a job and got booted out for his furry problem [13:31] *** SlytherinMudblood has joined #lounge [13:31] <Narya> I see it as a badget of pride, having the name on his trunk [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he may have been teacher a long time ago, and had been between jobs for a while [13:31] <futureweasley> yes Trinary, exactly! [13:31] <CrazyChlojo> well, after the big blowout of his secret, fw, i dont know if many schools would want to give him a job [13:31] <Islwyn13> he's been looking for a job for 12 years [13:31] <miss_danielle> i agree sooner - thats what i was thinking [13:31] <Sofie> oh, that makes me sad [13:31] <harryfreak359> as a professor, then isl? [13:31] <Islwyn13> and may have worked elsewhere, but I don't thin khe'd put himself around kids without assurances [13:31] <Aislinn> there don't seem to be that many wizarding schools around, so where would he have taught previously? [13:31] <Islwyn13> like the wolfsbane potions [13:31] *** Hagiographer13 left #lounge [] [13:31] *** SlytherinMudblood has quit [Bye] [13:31] <futureweasley> that is exactly my point, Crazy...thank you! I couldn't find the words [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe he taught privately? [13:31] <Narya> I doubt that any other school would have taken Remus [13:31] <Moriah> I agree, Islwyn [13:31] <Narya> DD was the one to give him a chance [13:31] <Islwyn13> He was a child when he was bitten, he wouldn't wantto risk biting anothe rchild [13:32] <fawkes28> maybe he privately tutored [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> who knows? maybe he taught muggles? [13:32] <miss_danielle> he may have taught at a muggle school [13:32] <Sofie> wonder why didnt DD employ him earlier [13:32] <Aislinn> I think DD probably had to talk him into taking the risk [13:32] <CrazyChlojo> good point, isl [13:32] <TrinarySystem> One of the mysteries surrounding the character is how he has been able to survive without work, as he obviously did. [13:32] <Moriah> I wouldn't be surprised if DD tried to get Lupin to come before POA but he wouldn't because no wolfsbane [13:32] <Narya> I think so too Aislinn [13:32] <Islwyn13> DD telling him taht he could provide Wolfsbane was probably a clinchpin in getting Lupin to agree to teach [13:32] <futureweasley> DD never underestimated Lupin...he always had the utmost respect for Lupin and his skills and knowledge [13:32] <Aislinn> right Isl [13:32] <Expelliarmas> would Lupin have been limited to only teaching children? is there an advanced school for older wizards? [13:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I agree Aislinn - I think Lupin might have at first declined DD, but DD convinced him [13:32] <TrinarySystem> which I think may be greater than we've been allowed to see yet [13:32] <Islwyn13> Maybe DD didn't ask Lupin to teach before because of curse... [13:32] <CrazyChlojo> i think it's odd though that lupin was like a perfect teacher right off the bat though [13:32] <Moriah> And Sirius coming after Harry helped convince him too [13:32] <Narya> I'm sure that DD had to convince him to come [13:32] <fawkes28> i think lupin would do great with adults [13:33] <futureweasley> the "furry little problem" wasn't an issue as far as DD was concerned...it could be controlled with Wolfsbane [13:33] <nympheart> but he still did ask him [13:33] <Islwyn13> but after Sirius' escape, thoguht this would be the right time.. [13:33] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Lupin has too much respect for children and adults to put them at risk [13:33] <Sofie> so Lupin can basically thank his job for snape smile [13:33] <futureweasley> me too, fawkes [13:33] <Islwyn13> and lupin agreed to help Harry and because he'd have wolfsbane [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, can you imagine how hard that must have been for Lupin to accept, knowing he would have to deal with Snape? [13:33] <Narya> Agreed, GFAB [13:33] <Islwyn13> that's my take anyway smile [13:33] <Aislinn> I agree Moriah - I think that was a big motivating factor [13:33] <futureweasley> and vice verse Sooner [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah [13:33] <miss_danielle> lol Sofie - enough with the Snape ha ha [13:33] <harryfreak359> ah...sooner, that would have been worse for snape [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> that look of hatred [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> in chapter 5? [13:33] <futureweasley> I think there was plenty of animosity to go around [13:33] <Islwyn13> true, Sofie smile [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> biggrin [13:33] <Aislinn> It was definitely asking him for a sacrifice wasn't it sooner [13:33] <Islwyn13> and he actually does thank Snape [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [13:34] <fawkes28> snape really didnt have to help him too [13:34] <Islwyn13> well... [13:34] <nympheart> he neither likes or dislikes snape [13:34] <TrinarySystem> Remember he says he neither likes nor dislikes Snape. He's always trying to be fair-minded, but he won't go overboard. [13:34] <Expelliarmas> After that first lesson on boggarts, what was your impression of Lupin's first class? Did you think he would be successful or unsuccessful as a DADA teacher? [13:34] <harryfreak359> I think Lupin tries to get along with everyone [13:34] <Islwyn13> it would have been pretty obvious if he refursed [13:34] <harryfreak359> succesfull [13:34] <Aislinn> I thought he was GREAT [13:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I love how neutal Lupin is [13:34] <miss_danielle> successful - definitely [13:34] <Narya> I thought he would make a very successful DADA teacher [13:34] <gryffindelle> very successful [13:34] <nympheart> incredibly successful [13:34] <Islwyn13> after the Peeves incident! [13:34] <CrazyChlojo> i liked his first lesson, deffinately successful [13:34] <Narya> Obviously skilled [13:34] <futureweasley> I loved his "hands on" approach [13:34] <Aislinn> the way he bolstered Neville's confidence [13:34] <Islwyn13> very successful! [13:34] <Moriah> I loved him! And that bit with the gum and Peeves! [13:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> except as it relates to Fenrir [13:34] <Moriah> Yes, Islwyn! [13:34] <Aislinn> it was just wonderful [13:34] <Sofie> that was an awesome lesson [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I absolutely fell in ove with him after the way he treated Neville [13:34] <fawkes28> i loved it because he uses constructivism in his teaching...an excellent teacher [13:34] <miss_danielle> me too! [13:34] <Islwyn13> he immediately had the students' respect after that! [13:34] <CrazyChlojo> ne not only taught them, but he did it in a really fun way as well, and he was encouraging the students, not the opposite [13:34] <fawkes28> hands on i mean [13:35] <Narya> He's a fine teacher - in the best sense of the word [13:35] <Islwyn13> agreed, Narya! [13:35] <Aislinn> hes, his teaching style was very effective [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Narya [13:35] <Narya> Students always come first with him and he has an intuitive grasp of his subject [13:35] <fawkes28> he provided them with practice and modeled excellent [13:35] <harryfreak359> yeah he is a fine teacher, I agree also Narya [13:35] <Moriah> I love that he knew everyone's name too... like he studied a rooster before hand [13:35] <gryffindelle> definetely [13:35] <Aislinn> and how to get the students engaged [13:35] <Sofie> i loved how he treated Neville [13:35] <Moriah> roster? haha [13:35] <Islwyn13> and he actually taught! as opposed to Lockhart, for instance...or Umbridge! [13:35] <harryfreak359> yes... [13:35] <futureweasley> I have bad lag [13:35] <TrinarySystem> I really think JKR wanted to present him as the perfect teacher, and there may even be a deeper reason for that than what we know now. [13:35] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yep - I love the way he makes his lessons as practical as he does academic [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> we got so see his mischevious side in the way he dealt with Peeves, and his compassion when dealing with Neville [13:36] <nympheart> I liked Remus ever since he said "Thank you, Dean." He wants the students to like him. [13:36] <Islwyn13> Lupin has also become a father figure, I think [13:36] <Narya> He always treats the students as equals and yet gets their respect without even trying [13:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> learn by doing [13:36] <gryffindelle> he treated everyone well, and the people that were picked on, he treated even better [13:36] <miss_danielle> i'm just sitting here smiling just thinking about it [13:36] <fawkes28> i love that lupin doesnt try to hard like some teachers do [13:36] <harryfreak359> i don't know islwyn [13:36] <CrazyChlojo> narya, i think that comes from his own experience [13:36] <Narya> Agreed Islwyn [13:36] <Islwyn13> Snape in a vulture hat...I loved that smile [13:36] <harryfreak359> LOL [13:36] <fawkes28> i would love to teach in the same school as him smile [13:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LOL [13:36] <Sofie> lol [13:36] <TrinarySystem> Notice how his proficiency as a teacher has been brought up at least once in every book since PoA. [13:36] <Narya> I loved that too [13:36] <harryfreak359> I loved that scence! [13:36] <harryfreak359> scene* [13:36] <Moriah> Good point, Trinary [13:37] <Aislinn> yes, trinary - it has been emphasized [13:37] <gryffindelle> yeah [13:37] <futureweasley> Lupin never really runs the danger of thinking that Harry is James...like Sirius did. Remus had the time to grieve James passing, and took it upon himself to be a mentor rather than a friend to Jarry [13:37] <Sofie> too bad he didnt want harry to face his boggart [13:37] <futureweasley> *Harry [13:37] <TrinarySystem> Dean comments on it in GoF and OOTP and Harry talks about it in HBP. [13:37] <miss_danielle> i loved the fact he stood there munching on an apple in the scene in the film [13:37] <Islwyn13> "Moody" was good too, except for the whole, "Not really being Moody" thing [13:37] <nympheart> That [13:37] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:37] <Aislinn> lol,, isl [13:37] <Expelliarmas> lol [13:37] <nympheart> That's a great point futureweasley. [13:37] <Sofie> lol [13:37] <harryfreak359> I did like the fake Moody as a teacher [13:37] <harryfreak359> he was good... [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Islwyn [13:37] <Sofie> there is this theory about the 7 DADA teacher and the 7 potions at the end of PS. i love that theory [13:37] <gryffindelle> yeah, harry [13:38] <Islwyn13> Yeah, FW, Sirius never really got the chance to grow past 20 years of age [13:38] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [13:38] <Islwyn13> which was about the time he went to Azkaban [13:38] <harryfreak359> so sad... [13:38] <futureweasley> right [13:38] <Aislinn> Hi seven! [13:38] <Moriah> It is very sad [13:38] <harryfreak359> happy_crying [13:38] <TrinarySystem> JKR even mentions this on her site. [13:38] <Islwyn13> yep [13:38] <harryfreak359> without the smile [13:38] <SevenofNine> Greetings all. [13:38] <Islwyn13> Heya, Seven smile [13:38] <harryfreak359> hello [13:38] <Narya> Hi Seven! [13:38] <miss_danielle> poor Sirius sad [13:38] <Sofie> hey! [13:38] <Moriah> Hi 7! [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> hey seven [13:38] <miss_danielle> hey seven [13:39] <Expelliarmas> seven, we're giving opinions as to Lupin's success as a DADA instructor [13:39] <SevenofNine> I think Sirius's story is the saddest of all. [13:39] <gryffindelle> hi seven [13:39] *** hermeeownee has joined #lounge [13:39] <Islwyn13> yes, I agree [13:39] <Expelliarmas> Throughout the book some suspicious circumstances regarding Lupin present themselves, e.g.: Harry's Sneakoscope going haywire in his presence, and Lupin's constant illness. Did you ever suspect Lupin as "up to something" in this book? [13:39] <harryfreak359> yes, agreed seven [13:39] <miss_danielle> agreed [13:39] <Islwyn13> Well, aside form Harry, of course [13:39] <TrinarySystem> JKR specifically points out that Lupin seems much older and more mature than Sirius. [13:39] <Moriah> I don't know... Lupin gives Sirius a run for the money [13:39] <SevenofNine> I was just listening to the Boggart chapter. I LOVE his teach styel [13:39] <Aislinn> I never did, expie [13:39] <Narya> No, I never suspected Remus at all [13:39] <harryfreak359> no, not once did I expect him to be up to something [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> you know, I can always remember trusting REmus [13:39] <Sofie> i dont remember lol [13:39] <Narya> just not in his nature [13:39] <fawkes28> nah once he started teaching i knew he was ok [13:39] <nympheart> I never wanted to believe that Remus was suspicious, so I didn't. [13:39] <Aislinn> from the moment on the train when he protected the kids from the dementor, he seemed like a good guy [13:39] <futureweasley> I don't really know... [13:39] <miss_danielle> i never did and im always suspiscious [13:39] <harryfreak359> he is too nice, to be up to something [13:40] <Expelliarmas> See, I thought the sneakoscope went off in the train because Lupin was not asleep the entire time [13:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmmm - I thought it might have been too obvious, and I knew that even though other characters within the book suspected him, I didn't [13:40] <Islwyn13> It's funny, I thought he'd be the nice guy who turned out to be untrustworthy, at first [13:40] <fawkes28> me too expel [13:40] <futureweasley> everyone points fingers at everyone else...and no one really is who they appear to be on the outside [13:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I knew he'd be alright [13:40] <Islwyn13> of course, that happened in the next book smile [13:40] <harryfreak359> it was because of peter [13:40] <Sofie> and he has chocolate. cant be a bad guy lol [13:40] <SevenofNine> I never saw anything coming from Lupin. I was loving it too much how well he connected with Harry. [13:40] <Aislinn> and then his teaching style, and his interactions with Harry - all positive [13:40] <CrazyChlojo> i agree harryfreak [13:40] <Moriah> Man, it suddenly worries me that we all trusted him all along. [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> from the train, to Neville, to his mentoring of Harry, who could distrust him? [13:40] <Narya> the Sneakoscope went off because of Peter [13:40] <Islwyn13> I really liked him, so I thought he must be the bad guy *blushes* [13:40] <Aislinn> lol, sofie [13:40] <CrazyChlojo> i always trusted him, he was too nice [13:40] <futureweasley> lol Isl [13:40] <miss_danielle> Lol Islwyn [13:40] <harryfreak359> lol islwyn [13:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> despite Snape's efforts to get everyone to believe he was up to no good [13:40] <SevenofNine> :D Sofie [13:40] <harryfreak359> I have that same problem too [13:40] <TrinarySystem> I've heard that someone thought he might actually be Sirius in disguise, which would have been an interesting turn of events, if true. [13:40] <Expelliarmas> I thought Lupin was hiding something, turns out he was [13:40] <hermeeownee> He started out on Harry 's side = he couldn't be all bad!! [13:40] <Islwyn13> Kinda like how I hate Snape, so he must be working for the right side [13:40] <fawkes28> i always trusted him but i thought sirius was really bad [13:40] <SevenofNine> Well, the very fact that Snape didn't like him should have been an endorsement [13:41] <Islwyn13> So did Crouch JR! [13:41] <Islwyn13> And h wanted harry dead! [13:41] <Aislinn> if snape doesn't trust someone, its all the more reason to trust them, gfab [13:41] <futureweasley> I was just going to say that Isl [13:41] <miss_danielle> yeh i thought there was more to him then meets the eye [13:41] <CrazyChlojo> true, seven [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> whoa Trinary, I'm glad I didn't think about that when I was reading it [13:41] <Sofie> lol islw [13:41] <Narya> Remus only hid his condition because of the prejudice he had suffered [13:41] <futureweasley> YES Aislinn [13:41] <harryfreak359> yes Narya [13:41] <SevenofNine> Well, that was a later book and proved how naive my view was! LOL [13:41] <futureweasley> exactly [13:41] <harryfreak359> No Aislinn [13:41] <gryffindelle> the sneakoscope could have gone offin resopnse to scabbers/peter [13:41] <futureweasley> and so did Crookshanks [13:41] <Expelliarmas> or crookshanks [13:41] <gryffindelle> sry, lagging [13:41] <miss_danielle> Ratboy [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> the sneakoscope was Peter all the way [13:42] <SevenofNine> I think that's what the Sneakoscope originally went off for [13:42] <harryfreak359> yep sooner [13:42] <Islwyn13> yeah, that's why it did, but at first, who really suspected Scabbers, I mean really? [13:42] <fawkes28> nah [13:42] <Sofie> i alwasy thought it wenf off because that *** rat [13:42] <SevenofNine> Peter [13:42] <harryfreak359> not me [13:42] <TrinarySystem> Actually, I think that there still may be more to Lupin than we know, so the sneakoscope may have had a "double hit" on both him and Scabbers. (It's nothing bad, though!) [13:42] <Expelliarmas> the sneakoscope goes off when Sirius is first mentioned [13:42] <harryfreak359> I didn't think anything of the rat [13:42] <Islwyn13> poor little tortured rat, always being attacked by Crookshanks [13:42] <SevenofNine> Well, once I knew he wan't really a rat it seemed obvious! lol [13:42] <Sofie> pf [13:42] <harryfreak359> lol [13:42] <Islwyn13> wanna snack, Crookshanks? [13:42] <hermeeownee> I never saw scabbers/peter coming. [13:42] <Aislinn> you think lupin might be bad, trinary? [13:42] <SevenofNine> And Crookshanks saw peter for what he was from the very beginning [13:42] <TrinarySystem> No, not at all. [13:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yep - there was a lot of focus on the rat [13:42] <Islwyn13> me, either, never saw it coming [13:42] <TrinarySystem> Just more than he seems [13:43] <miss_danielle> if Lupin is bad then there is no good in the world [13:43] <harryfreak359> no way is Lupin bad [13:43] <futureweasley> the sneakoscope might just pick up on the fact that Lupin is "hiding" something [13:43] <Moriah> Yeah, I'm hoping we learn more, Trinary [13:43] <Expelliarmas> how surprised must Peter have been to have Lupin on the train? [13:43] <harryfreak359> is is too nice [13:43] <SevenofNine> What I think is funny is the hint in SS about Scabbers. [13:43] <Islwyn13> yeah, there was, but I thought it was a friendship plot devicwe [13:43] <TrinarySystem> well said, miss danielle [13:43] <Narya> Yes, his condition [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly FW [13:43] <nympheart> Of course he's more than he seems, he's going to eliminate Greyback [13:43] <Islwyn13> hint in SS? [13:43] <hermeeownee> what hint? [13:43] <SevenofNine> When the spell to turn him yellow didn't work [13:43] <SevenofNine> Because he wasn't really a rat [13:43] <nympheart> it wasn't a real spell [13:43] <Islwyn13> oh, I thought it was just a joke, dud spell his brothers gave him [13:43] <nympheart> it didn't sound like one [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> that was the first biggest clue 7 [13:44] <harryfreak359> well guys, this is really interesting, but I have got to go for now [13:44] <SevenofNine> I think that's what we were lead to believe though . . . [13:44] <Sofie> yep, it was sonethink Fren and George made up [13:44] <Islwyn13> that could go either way [13:44] <TrinarySystem> I think you're right, 7of9 [13:44] <Aislinn> bye, harryfreak [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> bye harryfreak [13:44] <Islwyn13> no one has tried to use it since [13:44] <hermeeownee> I just thought it was the twins way of making Ron look stupid... [13:44] <Expelliarmas> see ya, hf359 [13:44] <Moriah> Later, HF [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> see ya [13:44] <nympheart> bye [13:44] <Islwyn13> bye, HF! [13:44] <Narya> Interesting scenario, Seven [13:44] <futureweasley> bye harryfreak [13:44] <harryfreak359> I'll try to come back in a few [13:44] <Sofie> bye [13:44] <futureweasley> see you in the Summer Kitchen! [13:44] <Narya> A first clue to Peter not being what he seemed [13:44] <harryfreak359> lol yeah see you there future! [13:44] <gryffindelle> ye harryfreak [13:44] <Islwyn13> well hidden clue smile [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I think a lot of people thought that hermee [13:44] <SevenofNine> Like the little hint about Sirius in SS. [13:44] <Sofie> i still dont think it was a real spell [13:44] <Islwyn13> ... [13:45] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [13:45] <gryffindelle> *bye [13:45] <Expelliarmas> JK Rowling has said Lupin's lycanthropy is a metaphor of the kinds of prejudice that people with illness and disability face. How does she show this? What do you think of how Lupin handles his condition and the reactions of others to his condition? [13:45] <nympheart> i agree with Sofie [13:45] <Islwyn13> I missed that hint too sad [13:45] <TrinarySystem> Gotta really dig for those hints [13:45] <futureweasley> I'm still so confused about how Sirius was suspicious of Lupin and vice verse, but noone was suspicious of Peter...just strange [13:45] <fawkes28> i think lupin does a grat job with it [13:45] <Aislinn> I think it is an excellent metaphor for people with mental illness or AIDS, that kind of thing [13:45] <miss_danielle> I think Lupin handles it like most. He says hes used to it, but it must kill him in the inside [13:45] <fawkes28> he doesnt want to be a burden [13:45] <nympheart> Lupin handles the prejudice really well [13:45] <Islwyn13> Peter was a fop, no one thought he had it in him... [13:45] <Sofie> Lupin deserves a BIG hug... [13:45] <Islwyn13> Lupin deals very well with his condition... [13:45] <Aislinn> people have a fear and loathing that can be out of proportion to the risk [13:45] <miss_danielle> il do it! [13:45] <SevenofNine> Lots of big hugs [13:45] <Moriah> AIDS is a great example since people fear it so much [13:46] <Islwyn13> now...he was rather irresponsible as a teenager [13:46] <nympheart> Lupin got a girl he doesn't need a hug [13:46] <TrinarySystem> I'm not sure that Lupin was suspicious of Sirius until after the Potters were killed. It's ambiguously worded. [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> he is the example that we should all look to on how to handle any kind of adversity [13:46] <Islwyn13> except AIDS isn't catching by association... [13:46] <SevenofNine> Irresponsible in some ways [13:46] <hermeeownee> Like many with challenges - he tries to move on past them This post has been edited by Aislinn: Aug 26 2006, 03:13 PM |
 |
  
 
|
