Reading Group Chat Transcript, Sept 23, 2006., Topic: Animagi |
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[12:55] *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [13:00] <Expelliarmas> Hello, everyone! [13:00] <Poet> We'll be starting in about 15 minutes, please feel free to chat [13:00] <RudiusHagrid> hello [13:00] <Inkreader13> hi [13:01] *** Aquamarine has joined #lounge [13:01] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:01] <Aquamarine> Hey all! [13:01] <RudiusHagrid> hi harryfreak [13:01] <harryfreak359> Hello! [13:01] <Expelliarmas> hello, aqya, HF [13:01] <harryfreak359> hi rudi [13:01] <Inkreader13> hello [13:01] <Expelliarmas> *aqua [13:02] <harryfreak359> gi expel [13:02] <harryfreak359> hi* [13:02] <harryfreak359> I can't type at all today [13:02] <Aquamarine> LOL [13:02] <Aquamarine> it's okay.. i can never type [13:02] <Inkreader13> what's everyone up to today? [13:02] <harryfreak359> still a little tense from trivia [13:02] <Aquamarine> i love trivia! [13:02] <RudiusHagrid> ok cool [13:02] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [13:02] <Aquamarine> are you going to Bacall's meetings tonight HF ? [13:03] <Poet> I still feel like I'm waking up. How are all of you? [13:03] <harryfreak359> yeah hopefully [13:03] <harryfreak359> I'm good [13:03] <Aquamarine> Alright, what about you Poet? [13:03] <nympheart> i'm fine, how are you [13:03] <Inkreader13> I'm good, but my sholders hurt. I played ball hockey yesterday. [13:03] <Poet> My shoulder hurts, but that's because it's been tornado weather this weekend. [13:04] <Aquamarine> I wish these chats counted for posts: we would all have thousands smile [13:04] <nympheart> no kidding [13:04] <Expelliarmas> Poet, are you sensitive to weather? [13:04] <Inkreader13> lol yeah [13:04] <harryfreak359> lol [13:04] <harryfreak359> Aqua, are you going to the meeting [13:04] <harryfreak359> ? [13:04] <Aquamarine> Yeah, I hope to. [13:04] <Poet> Yep, fractured my shoulder when I was 16 and it's been a weather predictor ever since [13:04] <Aquamarine> You're a runner right HF? [13:04] <nympheart> i used to sense th weather in my shin splints [13:04] <harryfreak359> awww that's awful [13:05] <harryfreak359> yeah, I am [13:05] <Aquamarine> Cool. [13:05] <Inkreader13> I broke my finger and for a few months after it hurt when we had bad weather [13:05] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [13:05] <harryfreak359> Since I am triva queen [13:05] <Aquamarine> Oh thats cool! [13:05] <harryfreak359> it seemed like a good job for me laugh [13:05] <Aquamarine> lol [13:05] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [13:05] <harryfreak359> wow...were is everyone? [13:05] <harryfreak359> where* [13:06] <Poet> You'd think my shoulder would stop hurting after 16 years [13:06] <Aquamarine> I really love trivia... but I don't stand a chance against people like you and Kimi! [13:06] <Aquamarine> Ah, that stinks Poet! [13:06] <harryfreak359> ohhhh....I can't stand a chance against Kimi either [13:06] <Expelliarmas> Miami [13:06] <Poet> Don't worry, no trivia here today ;) [13:06] <Inkreader13> I'm in Newfoundland [13:06] <harryfreak359> lol [13:06] <Aquamarine> lol [13:06] <harryfreak359> That is too bad about your shoulder Poet [13:07] <Aquamarine> I mean, like the last game, I knew the answers... but I just wasn't quick enough smile [13:07] <Poet> I fractured it playing "Red Rover, Red Rover" biggrin [13:07] <harryfreak359> lol [13:07] <dumbleydore18> hey everyone [13:07] * Aquamarine wishes she could type. [13:07] <harryfreak359> hi [13:07] <Aquamarine> LOL Poet [13:07] <nympheart> rough game, Poet [13:07] <harryfreak359> I know how you feel, I sprained my knee [13:07] <dumbleydore18> I just answered the door my neighbor wanted to see the newest new kitten [13:07] <harryfreak359> three times! [13:07] <Aquamarine>  [13:07] <Expelliarmas> what did you get tossed by some bully, or did you fall, Poet? [13:07] <Poet> Not as bad as Quidditch I'm sure, but we had no Madame Pompfrey, so I was out of luck [13:07] <Aquamarine> Oh darn it, I have to go already! [13:08] <dumbleydore18> I haven't broken a single bone [13:08] <Aquamarine> Ugh, I hope to be back soon Lsad [13:08] <harryfreak359> oh bye! [13:08] <dumbleydore18> or sprained anything [13:08] <Aquamarine> See you all tonight for sure though [13:08] *** Aquamarine has quit [Bye] [13:08] <Poet> No, I won the game for us, but ended up at the bottom of a dog pile as everyone celebrated [13:08] <harryfreak359> I've bnever broken a bone [13:08] <nympheart> i dislocated my elbow when I was 12 when I was playing soccer [13:08] <harryfreak359> lo [13:08] <Poet> (with my shoulder pinned behind me) [13:08] <harryfreak359> lol* [13:08] <nympheart> it got stuck straight, but I wanted to play so I snapped it [13:08] <harryfreak359> ouch [13:08] <Poet> ooo yuck [13:08] <Inkreader13> ohhhhh [13:08] <nympheart> not one of my brightest moments, but I did play in that game [13:08] <Expelliarmas> owwww; win the game, lose the player ... [13:09] <harryfreak359> I sprained my knee running into a trailer hitch thing [13:09] <harryfreak359> and jumping on the trampoline [13:09] <harryfreak359> and ice skating [13:09] <dumbleydore18> how did we get into broken bones? [13:09] <dumbleydore18> lol [13:09] <harryfreak359> lol [13:09] <Inkreader13> I broke my finger because I fell on a jumping castle [13:09] <harryfreak359> I'm a kluttz [13:09] <dumbleydore18> brb [13:09] <nympheart> ice skating is dangerous, I got my finger sliced open when someone skated over it [13:09] <harryfreak359> ouch [13:10] <Inkreader13> I almost chiped a bone at skating once [13:10] <harryfreak359> I was trying to this complicated spin thing during a lesson [13:10] <harryfreak359> didn't work out too well [13:10] * Expelliarmas confesses she started it with the weather question [13:10] <Poet> I jammed all of my fingers one time or another playing volleyball in gym class - good thing too, because when that tornado hit my highschool - my instrument was safely tucked away in its locker during orchestra class [13:10] <harryfreak359> lol [13:10] <nympheart> lol [13:10] <Inkreader13> lol [13:11] *** weirdsis has joined #lounge [13:11] <Poet> It's dangerous being a kid - poor Harry and his classmates can attest to that [13:11] <Poet> Hi weirdsis! [13:12] <weirdsis> Hi! This is my first Corner Booth chat, so I'm seeing how it goes! [13:12] <Poet> Nice [13:12] <Inkreader13> hey [13:12] <nympheart> mine too weirdsis [13:12] <weirdsis> Cool! [13:12] *** RudiusHagrid has quit [Bye] [13:12] <Expelliarmas> to all our first timers, chances are good you'll have a darned good time [13:12] <harryfreak359> lol totally [13:12] <harryfreak359> I remember when I was new to these [13:13] <harryfreak359> my first one was sooo much fun [13:13] <harryfreak359> and now I am addicted [13:13] <Expelliarmas> you addicted, HF?!? Never in life. [13:13] <weirdsis> So you've been discussing animagi? [13:13] <harryfreak359> LOL [13:13] <Poet> Not as its own topic [13:13] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [13:13] <Expelliarmas> we will be discussing the topic in about two minutes [13:13] <harryfreak359> Yeah, I am not addicted to anything [13:13] <Inkreader13> not yet, we're talking about broken bones [13:14] <Poet> Plenty of times in relation to other topics [13:14] <Inkreader13> lol [13:14] <Poet> Yes, broken bones and bad weather ;) [13:14] *** stinkywinky has joined #lounge [13:14] *** stinkywinky has quit [Bye] [13:14] <weirdsis> Oh, I see. Well, animagi frequently have broken bones in bad weather. [13:14] <Expelliarmas> a cheerful pre-topic chat [13:14] <weirdsis> Innit? [13:14] <harryfreak359> *cough* LeakyLounge, Harry Potter,Cornerbooth*cough* [13:14] <harryfreak359> yes very cheerful [13:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [13:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [13:15] <Poet> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Poet got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:15] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:15] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:16] <Expelliarmas> The process of transfiguration by which a witch or a wizard takes the form of an animal or reverts to human form from animal form. The transformed witch or wizard is known as an Animagi, while the form they take is known as the animagus. This is considered a highly complex and dangerous piece of magic. [13:16] <Expelliarmas> We first get an idea about Animagi in PS/SS when McGonagall transforms to and from a stern and bespectacled tabby cat. We learn about the term “Animagi” and “animagus” in PoA where we meet or learn of characters who can transform themselves at will. Some are legally registered and others are not. We even meet an unregistered Animagi in GoF. [13:16] <Expelliarmas> So let’s have a chat about Animagi and animagus. [13:16] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:16] <Expelliarmas> The first character we really get to know as an Animagi is McGonagall. She can transform into a tabby cat. Why does this suit her? [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> Can seem a little proud and stiff, but affectionate when she wants to be. also very ntelligent. [13:17] <cloudpic> She's dignified, independent...and I hope she has nine lives!! [13:17] <weirdsis> I've heard that dogs are like children and cats are like adolescents. A bit stand-offish. [13:17] <harryfreak359> Cats are more proper [13:17] <cloudpic> LOL weirdsis! I like that! [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> Like a cat, she has also mastered the ability to express disdain! [13:18] <harryfreak359> whereas dogs are more childish and playful\ [13:18] <Expelliarmas> Well, she can certainly be aloof [13:18] <nympheart> a no-nonsense kind of attitude [13:18] <cloudpic> Cats don't care what you think of them, either. [13:18] <Poet> Cats are also watchers. As a head of Gryffindor house, it's smart that she's a cat, and that she pays close attention to her students [13:18] *** dareios has joined #lounge [13:18] <Inkreader13> she was able to live after she was hit with a lot of stunning spells and cats have "nine lives" [13:18] *** RudiusHagrid has joined #lounge [13:18] <Expelliarmas> Dareios, we're discussing whether McGonagall's animagus cat form suits her [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> Cats also have a lot of fight in them when pushed. [13:19] *** dareios has quit [Bye] [13:19] <nympheart> she got vicious with Umbridge, like cats do occasionally [13:19] <weirdsis> Yet she can express affection when it is appropriate--for example, telling Neville his grandmother should be proud of the grandson she has [13:19] <Expelliarmas> vicious, but elegant--she never lost her cool [13:19] <Poet> I think a cat certainly suits the Gryffindors. I like that idea weirdsis [13:19] <nympheart> well, lions are cats [13:19] <cloudpic> And cats have an air of mystery about them [13:19] <Expelliarmas> isn't the gryffindor mascot a lion? [13:19] <Poet> Yes indeed [13:19] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, good point! [13:20] *** JackieA has joined #lounge [13:20] <Expelliarmas> But why a common house cat? [13:20] *** You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [13:20] <cloudpic> I love that her animagus has marks around her eyes that look like her spectacles! [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> McGonagall definitely hasn't been declawed at any point in her life. [13:20] <Poet> A small cat seems more feminine for one [13:20] <weirdsis> Well, a lion wouldn't exactly fit in on Privet Drive, would it? [13:20] <nympheart> house cats are more subtle, McG isn't usually in your face [13:21] <Expelliarmas> McG never seemed common to me [13:21] <cloudpic> LOL definitely not "normal" [13:21] <RudiusHagrid> not even in africa [13:21] <Poet> Yes, animagus forms that appear to be common animals do seem more "helpful" for the wizard or witch [13:21] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Rudi! [13:21] <Poet> ...though they can't choose [13:21] <RudiusHagrid> hi there [13:21] <You_wont_know_who> people don't recognize them [13:21] <You_wont_know_who> hi there [13:21] <cloudpic> I hadn't thought about that, Poet, but yes, they can get indoors and walk up to people without the same alarm! [13:22] <nympheart> there's a playful side of cats too, along with "it unscrews the other way" [13:22] <You_wont_know_who> I think the choice is natural - you like one kind of animal, you don't like the other [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, in our reading group we've had a long discussion about how Prongs managed to fit through the Whomping Willow tunnel. [13:22] <You_wont_know_who> haha [13:22] <Expelliarmas> Would it have made a difference if McG's animagus form was a more exotic, domesticated cat? [13:22] <Poet> I don't want to get ahead, but we do know of one person who has an animagus that isn't as easily hidden (the stag) [13:22] <RudiusHagrid> o hthat was hilarious [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> She doesn't seem like an exotic sort of person. Very British. [13:23] <nympheart> yes, very down-to-earth [13:23] <You_wont_know_who> that's why it's a tabby cat [13:23] <cloudpic> But can be a hunter if need be... [13:23] <Poet> She's Scottish, she's no nonsense, so I don't see her needing a more elaborate breed [13:23] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore was the transfiguration professor before McGonagall. Would it be possible that he too is an animagus? If so, why? If not, why not? [13:23] <dumbleydore18> the commen house cat suits McG because she has that cat personality. She is head teacher for the Gryffindors and cats are very independant and are full of leadership. They know where they want to go and when they want to get things done. Like cats McG is stern yet loving [13:24] <You_wont_know_who> cats are stern? [13:24] <nympheart> i don't think he's an animagus [13:24] <dumbleydore18> yet loving [13:24] <weirdsis> Yes, I think Dumbledore is an animagus. [13:24] <You_wont_know_who> they aren't [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure he could be. Undoubtedly he'd be a phoenix. [13:24] <nympheart> why bother if he can make himself invisible? [13:24] <Expelliarmas> Why or why not? [13:24] <cloudpic> I still think he may be a bumblebee... [13:24] <weirdsis> He may not always have been able to make himself invisible, though. [13:24] <Poet> I certainly think so, in terms of Dumbeldore. He can't have every power known to wizard-kind, but I do think as transfiguration teacher it fits [13:24] <cloudpic> Or something small...that's how he could be invisible [13:24] <weirdsis> I agree about the bee. [13:24] <Inkreader13> I'd say no because they read the list of registered animagus in class abd they didn't mention that he wa sone and I don't think dumbledore would break the law [13:24] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore was the transfiguration professor before McG, shouldn't he be able to do it? [13:25] <nympheart> he said invisible though [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> I would think so. [13:25] <harryfreak359> I think that he could be an animagus... [13:25] <cloudpic> Maybe he chose not to [13:25] *** Inkreader13 has quit [Bye] [13:25] <nympheart> I'm sure he knew how, but seeing as he's dead, how much of a part could it play? [13:25] <Poet> Good point Inkreader. Some people have argued that we don't know of him because he wasn't in the last 100 years (older than that) [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure if he was registered, Hermione would have mentioned it when she checked the list. [13:25] <Expelliarmas> Actually, the list Hermione checked was for registered animagi of the 20th century. DD was a 19th century type. [13:25] <harryfreak359> ooh true [13:25] <RudiusHagrid> i quite like that idea [13:26] <cloudpic> hadn't thought of that...maybe before registration was required? [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> Thaat is a possibility. [13:26] <RudiusHagrid> the owl in ch 1 of ps sticks out in my mind [13:26] <cloudpic> Like when people didn't need drivers licenses [13:26] <You_wont_know_who> I don't think so [13:26] <nympheart> but wouldn't DD still be listed as 20th century since he was still alive [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> If the Marauders could do it at their age, I'm sure DD could. [13:26] <You_wont_know_who> very true [13:26] <cloudpic> Owl Rudi? [13:26] <dumbleydore18> I think Dumbledore is not an animagi because I just don't see him popping in and out of his animal form. I think he's more dignified than that. Just like the same reason he doesn't have a horcrux. I also think it depends on the witch or wizard, whichever thing suits them more; flying, turning into an animagus, or apparating [13:26] <Expelliarmas> very true McG [13:26] <Poet> Hermione's list is hard to pinpoint I agree [13:26] <Expelliarmas> *Mr McG [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, nymph [13:26] <nympheart> I like that dumbledore [13:26] <RudiusHagrid> the owl that fkies int privet drive before dumbledore appears [13:27] <Expelliarmas> McG is quite dignified, and she can transform [13:27] <harryfreak359> whoa [13:27] <cloudpic> Oh...my goodness! [13:27] <RudiusHagrid> also an owl suits his personaliity [13:27] <cloudpic> thanks interesting [13:27] <harryfreak359> who do you remember that? [13:27] <cloudpic> and wise too [13:27] <JackieA> so true!! [13:27] <You_wont_know_who> better than a phoenix? [13:27] <cloudpic> But a phoenix is so...noticeable [13:27] <harryfreak359> I always thought a phoenix fit him the best [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> Certianly wouldn't attract as much attention [13:27] <nympheart> I think pheonix or bumblebee fits much better [13:27] <Expelliarmas> yes, an owl would be an interesting animagus; a phoenix might be too noticeable [13:27] <cloudpic> And doesn't die and JKR has said Dumbledore has died [13:27] <You_wont_know_who> bumblebee is a thought! [13:27] <Poet> Rudius, I've actually watched the movie (though not canon) and tried to see if that owl flew to the same spot Dumbledore appeared from biggrin [13:27] <harryfreak359> I have never htougrh of owl [13:28] <harryfreak359> thoguht* [13:28] <harryfreak359> lol poet [13:28] <nympheart> cloudpic, is right pheonixes are flashy, he'd definitely be noticed as one of those [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, couldn't DD probably transfigure himself into anything he wanted, without using an animagus transformation? [13:28] <You_wont_know_who> I think he could [13:28] <cloudpic> There's an interesting thought! [13:28] <weirdsis> Yes, I believe so, too. [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> We see Krum use a form of external transfiguration. [13:28] <Poet> Yes MrMcGonagall , I certainly agree [13:28] <cloudpic> We're used to thinking he can manage anything aren't we [13:29] <nympheart> well, as far as magic is concerned, that's more or less true [13:29] *** JackieA has quit [Bye] [13:29] <You_wont_know_who> and weren't we right? [13:29] *** amoscotia has joined #lounge [13:29] <nympheart> except for the powers he's too noble to use [13:29] <Expelliarmas> What purpose does it serve to be an Animagi? What good does it do? [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> Myabe phoenixes also have a power of invisibility that we haven't heard of yet? [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> Fawkes does seem to pop up in likely places. [13:30] <nympheart> well, as an Animagi, you don't need a wand to transform [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> unlikely* [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> True, nymph, that's an advantage at times. [13:30] *** You_wont_know_who has quit [Bye] [13:30] <cloudpic> Helps you to do things you can't do in your human form, like sit and watch a house all day [13:30] *** MaraudingDon has joined #lounge [13:30] <nympheart> or sneak out at night [13:30] <dumbleydore18> if you are a small animagus wanting to find a clue...like being in the order...then being small is good to fitting in cracks and finding secret and hidden things [13:30] <Poet> It's a quick transformation - one that you know well. Others can recognize you if you've shown them your "form," hopefully others can't mimic you... [13:30] <cloudpic> And accompany a friend whilst he's a werewolf [13:30] <weirdsis> LOL, McGonagall could do that as a human! [13:31] <nympheart> spy on people [13:31] *** You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [13:31] <nympheart> she would have looked odd doing it though [13:31] <dumbleydore18> being an animagus could be good for escaping dangerous situations [13:31] <nympheart> Petunia would have called the police [13:31] <RudiusHagrid> depending on your animagus form travelling incognito is alot easier [13:31] <Expelliarmas> McG could have accomplished that as a human; just dress in Muggle clothing and visit Figg [13:31] <You_wont_know_who> or he could have made himself invisible [13:32] <Poet> We know from the mauraders that they can communicate with each other. I wonder if they can communicate with other animals as well as animagi [13:32] <harryfreak359> Animagus would be an excellent disguise to do wokr ofr the order [13:32] <nympheart> did Figg live there then? [13:32] <harryfreak359> work for* [13:32] <nympheart> she was there only to watch harry [13:32] <cloudpic> Didn't Sirius "talk" to Crookshanks? [13:32] <MaraudingDon> Wormtail lived with rats [13:32] <Expelliarmas> no idea if Figg was living there yet [13:32] <harryfreak359> yeah...cloudpic [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> More like to watch "for" Harry. [13:32] <cloudpic> And that sooooo suits Peter, MaraudingDon! [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, you're talking about Figgy [13:33] <You_wont_know_who> we know too little about the animagi to know the forms of communicating [13:33] <nympheart> I assume they can communicate with each other, and other animals [13:33] <You_wont_know_who> hi MaraudingDon [13:33] <Poet> I agree that Peter appears to have been able to talk to other rats and such [13:33] <Expelliarmas> While Sirius was a dog, how did he communicate with Crookshanks? [13:33] <MaraudingDon> Hi YWKW [13:34] <cloudpic> He didn't explain... [13:34] <You_wont_know_who> Crookshanks is very clever [13:34] <MaraudingDon> Well Crookshanks isn't an ordinary cat [13:34] <dumbleydore18> sirius communicated through telepathy [13:34] <Expelliarmas> did he do it as a dog, or as a human? [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> I'm pretty sure as a dog. [13:34] <dumbleydore18> as a dog [13:34] <MaraudingDon> dog I think [13:34] <weirdsis> Remember when Harry saw them together ? [13:34] <nympheart> dog, he wouldn't risk getting caught [13:34] <You_wont_know_who> yes [13:34] <weirdsis> After quidditch>? [13:34] <cloudpic> It was when they were roaming about together as dog and cat [13:34] <cloudpic> on the grounds [13:34] <weirdsis> Sirius was a dog then [13:34] <weirdsis> Yes [13:34] <Poet> He was able to tell Crookshanks to fetch the list. Crookshanks was half magical animal, so we've seen that magical creatures can communicate at least [13:34] <harryfreak359> Well he is an animal when he turned into his animagus form so it would only seem right for him to be able to talk to other animals [13:34] <Expelliarmas> could it be crookshanks as a half-Kneazle could read Sirius' thoughts? [13:35] <dumbleydore18> as a dog because Harry saw him in his dog form walking side by side with crookshanks [13:35] <nympheart> well, does anyone else own a dog and a cat? They interact. [13:35] <You_wont_know_who> maybe they can read each other's thoughts [13:35] <weirdsis> Exactly! [13:35] <Expelliarmas> my dog has nothing to do with cats except chase them [13:35] <MaraudingDon> I wonder if Prof McGonagall was able to communicate with Mrs Figgs cats? [13:35] <weirdsis> About the communication between the two [13:35] <weirdsis> Good point, Don. [13:36] <cloudpic> I was always surprised that McGonagall didn't know the Marauders had become animagi... [13:36] <nympheart> My dog and cats seem to hold silent conversations [13:36] <weirdsis> Because a cat was a lookout and let Figgy know Mundungus had disapparated [13:36] <MaraudingDon> I'm more surprised DD didn't know [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> How would they have guessed? [13:36] <You_wont_know_who> I agree Marauding Don [13:36] <cloudpic> Well, the kind of research they had to do [13:36] <dumbleydore18> when I had a dog...australian shepherd...she used to herd our cats...so funny....so I guess this could be a form of communicating [13:36] <nympheart> well, from that we can assume that James and Sirius did most of their researching on their own [13:36] <cloudpic> Books out of the library [13:36] <You_wont_know_who> Snape knew that there was something wrong [13:37] <cloudpic> And there had to be some trial and error? [13:37] <Expelliarmas> Sirius’ animagus takes the form of a large black dog. Does this suit him? What does it say about him that he didn’t turn into a St. Bernard, a cocker spaniel, or a Chihuahua? [13:37] <nympheart> Well, Snape watched them specifically [13:37] <nympheart> absolutely suits him [13:37] <MaraudingDon> LMAO - chihuahua [13:37] <You_wont_know_who> chihuahua would be good [13:37] <weirdsis> Sirius was larger than life, wasn't he? So a large dog is appropriate. [13:37] <You_wont_know_who> very fierce [13:37] <Poet> He's very spirited and a bit rough around the edges. I think the black dog suits him well. [13:37] <cloudpic> Yeah, he apparently resembles a bear or Grim from the comments [13:37] <weirdsis> The bark-like laugh... [13:38] <harryfreak359> It does suit him he is kind of reckless and certian not proper like McGonagall [13:38] <Expelliarmas> Well, he's not sedate, so a St. Bernard might not do [13:38] <cloudpic> Like a dog, he's very loyal to his "pack" [13:38] <MaraudingDon> Dogs are loyal though [13:38] <MaraudingDon> snap! [13:38] <nympheart> Sirius turns into a Newfoundland, which are very good family dogs [13:38] <weirdsis> Excellent point, cloudpic [13:38] <cloudpic> hee hee [13:38] <Poet> The whole House of Black is full of Dark images and had the air of someone that had died - so a Grim-like dog seems appropriate. [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> I think the dog makes sense for Sirius (the dog star). I wonder if he would have been less mangy as a dog i he hadn't just escaped from Azkaban. [13:38] <Expelliarmas> Sirius is very loyal and has a dogged personality [13:38] <cloudpic> Oh, nice point, Poet [13:39] <Poet> Definitely MrMcGonagall. [13:39] <harryfreak359> Yes, he definitely has a dog-like personality [13:39] <You_wont_know_who> He must controll Lupin with James [13:39] <cloudpic> Yeah, I wondered about that Mr.McG [13:39] <harryfreak359> it even points out htat he has a dog like laugh [13:39] <Expelliarmas> loyal to his friends, and never forgives people he can't stand [13:39] <nympheart> being a newfie just suits his temperment, and Poet as nice points [13:39] <MaraudingDon> Pity he didn't bite Severus [13:39] <Expelliarmas> yes [13:39] <dumbleydore18> lol [13:39] <weirdsis> Hey! [13:39] <harryfreak359> Hey! [13:40] <You_wont_know_who> but he was close [13:40] <Poet> There you go. [13:40] <cloudpic> Oh, my, a werewolf Snape! [13:40] <You_wont_know_who> it would be nice [13:40] <MaraudingDon> EWWW [13:40] <cloudpic> Oh, sorry, you meant Sirius should have bitten him...sorry duh [13:40] <harryfreak359> ooohhhhhhh [13:40] <MaraudingDon> Yes - LOL! [13:40] <Expelliarmas> James’ animagus takes the form of a stag. From what you’ve learned of James through the other characters, did this form suit him? [13:40] <harryfreak359> lol [13:40] <cloudpic> Wonder why Snape never tried to be an animagus?? [13:40] <dumbleydore18> I find it interesting that Sirius takes on the "black dog" form. [13:40] <harryfreak359> maybe he is cloudpic [13:40] <Poet> He's a protector? [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> The king of the forest, a la Bambi? [13:41] <nympheart> Snape is more inclined to Dark Arts than transfiguration [13:41] <cloudpic> The great head of antlers sort of echoes his pride in his hair ;D [13:41] <You_wont_know_who> Snape didn't have the talent to be an animagus [13:41] <RudiusHagrid> snape probably felt it served him no purpose to learn [13:41] <Poet> He protects Snape at the Whomping Willow, he tried to protect his family. [13:41] <MaraudingDon> Stag's are the leaders, James was popular, the Quidditch King and very talented - totally suits him [13:41] <harryfreak359> Hmm...I used to have an idea about why James turned into a stag [13:41] <harryfreak359> but I can't seem to remember it [13:41] <nympheart> Stags prance, like James apparently did [13:41] <Expelliarmas> lol, HF [13:42] <You_wont_know_who> what a pity...he was very virile [13:42] <RudiusHagrid> its a good point [13:42] <cloudpic> The stag is also very strong...dignified...and not at all domesticated [13:42] <weirdsis> A stag is powerful and they fight to the death [13:42] <Poet> ...yes, strutting around the castle [13:42] <nympheart> There's also that whole white stag thing [13:42] <Expelliarmas> they don't prance! but they are graceful and somewhat athletic [13:42] <Poet> Cool imagery, weirdsis [13:42] <dumbleydore18> it makes sense that James's animagus was bigger than the others...he was the ring leader of the group so his had to of been bigger [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> A noble animal. [13:42] <cloudpic> Harry: My father didn't strut! [13:42] <MaraudingDon> Great point Weirdsis - fight to the death, very brave [13:42] <You_wont_know_who> very proud - the king of the forest [13:42] <RudiusHagrid> lol [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> Wasn't he also the one who was able to bring Lupin/Werewolf into line when he got a little too dangerous? [13:43] <cloudpic> He also wouldn't be able to be sneaky in any way [13:43] <RudiusHagrid> y_d_k_w ill just not mention that to the local lions ok? [13:43] <weirdsis> Yes, MrMc [13:43] <nympheart> him and sirius, MrMcg [13:43] <Poet> Yes, so good thing he had those antlers [13:43] <cloudpic> Evidently with James, what you see is what you get [13:43] <dumbleydore18> I picture myself with bambi running by in my head...and then harry's words "he doesn't strut" [13:43] <You_wont_know_who> yes, he and sirus were big enough [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> I would think Sirius is more of an even match for Lupin [13:43] <MaraudingDon> Both James and Sirius could control Remus [13:43] <Poet> But its definitely more difficult to hide a stag [13:44] <Expelliarmas> How did James transforming into a stag help him sneak around the castle? How'd he get into the willow? [13:44] <dumbleydore18> what was the rat for then? [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> The willow knot. [13:44] <harryfreak359> errr....that's a hard question [13:44] <MaraudingDon> Invisibility cloak, then transfigure [13:44] <weirdsis> Yes, are there many deer in Scotland? [13:44] <nympheart> I always thought James transformed once they got out of the castle [13:44] <You_wont_know_who> for being around and sniffing [13:44] <harryfreak359> yeah, I though to too [13:44] <RudiusHagrid> they couldnt choose their shapes i think [13:44] <nympheart> his hooves would have woken people up [13:44] <Expelliarmas> the willow didn't seem to have that big an opening [13:44] <RudiusHagrid> the had to make do with what they got [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> I think he used his cloak for sneaking around in the castle. [13:44] <weirdsis> Never hear deer mentioned as being on the grounds or in the forest [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> In our group, I think we concluded that he either transformed just before entering the Shrieking Shakc, [13:45] <amoscotia> True, but there are loads of deer in Scotland [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> or Lupin simplifies things a bit in his retelling. [13:45] <nympheart> I think he transformed in the tunnel going to the Shack [13:45] <weirdsis> Thanks to the Scottish lass! [13:45] <Expelliarmas> if he transformed, though, would it be dangerous if Lupin was a werewolf? [13:45] <You_wont_know_who> they didn't need to enter the Shack [13:45] <Poet> So perhaps his stag shape helped him more once they were away from the castle - he'd be able to run beside the wolf and the dog [13:45] <harryfreak359> Yeah I agree Mr.McG, except peter transform before they go in [13:46] <MaraudingDon> They had the invisibility cloak to sneak around the castle - they would have transfigures once in the tunnel because they only explored the grounds when Lupin was having his "monthly moment" [13:46] <dumbleydore18> well I gotta go [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he had to, didn't he, to reach the knot in the tree. [13:46] <dumbleydore18> bye [13:46] <harryfreak359> bye! [13:46] <nympheart> bye [13:46] <cloudpic> Bye [13:46] <You_wont_know_who> bye [13:46] <RudiusHagrid> bye [13:46] <amoscotia> bye [13:46] <Poet> And if they were going to the Shack they didn't need to be transformed while going inside [13:46] <cloudpic> But they did...or Lupin would have attacked them [13:46] *** dumbleydore18 has quit [Bye] [13:46] <You_wont_know_who> they didn't have to enter [13:46] *** Overcast has joined #lounge [13:46] <cloudpic> That's why it was dangerous for James to go in there and get Snape out when he hadn't transformed [13:47] <RudiusHagrid> i think someone had to go in to fetch lupin [13:47] <nympheart> probably Sirius [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps Sirius and Peter went through transformed and brought Lupin back with them. [13:47] <RudiusHagrid> otherwise he'd be able to come out at any time [13:47] <You_wont_know_who> what for? he would go out on his own [13:47] <Expelliarmas> Wouldn't it have made sense for them to meet Lupin in the shack and set off from there? [13:47] <cloudpic> Sounded in Lupin's narrative like they didn't start roaming around right away... [13:47] <nympheart> but he's not in control as a werewolf [13:47] <Expelliarmas> why would they take off back down the tunnel and to hogwarts? [13:48] <cloudpic> I think they transformed and joined him in the Shack from the way Lupin's narrative reads [13:48] <nympheart> if he could get out like that, that wouldn't have been where Pomfrey led him to transform [13:48] <cloudpic> Didn't just left the Shack and roamed Hogsmeade and the Grounds [13:48] <You_wont_know_who> I think they wanted to roam the most [13:48] <nympheart> I think I agree with cloudpic [13:48] <harryfreak359> Yeah I agree too [13:49] <You_wont_know_who> it was very funny for them [13:49] <Expelliarmas> Would Lily have known about James becoming an Animagi? Why or why not? [13:49] <You_wont_know_who> and that's how they drew the map [13:49] <nympheart> I think she did when they were dating [13:49] <Poet> I bet he showed her eventually. [13:49] <nympheart> not before [13:49] <harryfreak359> I don't think she knew until they started dating [13:49] <RudiusHagrid> s she would [13:49] <MaraudingDon> reckless teenage boys - why couldn't they have just stayed in and got drunk like other boys!!! [13:49] <You_wont_know_who> Lily might have known, yes [13:49] <weirdsis> I'm sure Lily knew by 7th year, and perhaps she could transform as well [13:50] <cloudpic> Wouldn't that have been mentioned by now? [13:50] <Expelliarmas> That's an interesting thought, Lily transforming [13:50] <nympheart> what would she be? [13:50] <Expelliarmas> I don't think so, we don't have any recollections from Lily's friends [13:50] <weirdsis> There is SO much we don't know about their seventh year! [13:50] <harryfreak359> I think someone would have known and told Harry [13:50] <nympheart> we can't even name any friends Lily had, except the Marauders [13:50] <Poet> I hadn't thought about whether Lily could or not, but I can imagine that like most young men, he'd want to impress Lily with whatever abilities he might have. [13:50] <harryfreak359> Like Sirius or Lupin [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Well, she was a prefect. It would have been her job to keep an eye on the Gryffindors . . . [13:50] <weirdsis> We learn about their years as Harry is in that same year [13:51] <RudiusHagrid> i have mentioned it before but i think James may have transformed infront of harry as an exreme version of making faces for baby [13:51] <cloudpic> Those 7's are mysteries ;D [13:51] <Expelliarmas> Harry hasn't exactly been sharp when it comes to asking questions about Lily [13:51] <nympheart> true poet, especially a stag [13:51] <harryfreak359> LOL Rudi [13:51] <harryfreak359> I could see that too [13:51] <You_wont_know_who> Harry never asked that's true and it is really strange [13:51] <Expelliarmas> For sure James would transform for Harry [13:51] <MaraudingDon> great point Expelliarmus, Harry doesn't ask many questions at all [13:51] <harryfreak359> Yeah I agree expel [13:51] <RudiusHagrid> harry was raised not to ask questions [13:52] <harryfreak359> true Rudi [13:52] <harryfreak359> But he does seem to be rather nosy [13:52] <You_wont_know_who> but he might have asked Hagrid [13:52] <cloudpic> Have to go for a while...hope to come back! [13:52] <nympheart> bye [13:52] <RudiusHagrid> you'll notice he rarely asks adults questions about his past [13:52] <harryfreak359> bye cloudpic [13:52] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [13:52] <You_wont_know_who> I must go too, sorry, it was fun! [13:52] *** You_wont_know_who left #lounge [] [13:52] <Poet> hmm [13:52] <nympheart> well, that can be an akward topic [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> It seems odd that James never 'fessed up to DD when he and Lily entered the Order. It would have been useful to DD to know that James was an animagus. [13:52] <Expelliarmas> I think Lily would have found out in the 7th year; and maybe had suspicions before that [13:53] <RudiusHagrid> hmmm [13:53] <Poet> Yes, once James was out of Hogwarts, I wonder how Dumbledore never found out. [13:53] <nympheart> that's true MrMcG [13:53] *** MaraudingDon has quit [Bye] [13:53] <RudiusHagrid> dd is head of the wizengamot and would have been compelled to take action [13:53] <nympheart> and Sirius and Peter too [13:53] <Overcast> Has Dumbledore actually come out and said he never knew they were animagi? [13:53] <Expelliarmas> I can see where being a cat or dog would be useful to the order; but a stag? [13:53] <nympheart> I wonder what DD would have thought knowing Peter's personality was that of a rat? [13:53] <weirdsis> Yes, DD said he didn't know [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, DD mentions it at the end of POA [13:54] <Expelliarmas> yes, at the end of PoA, he says so [13:54] <RudiusHagrid> BOOK says she thinkd DD would have known anyway [13:54] <Expelliarmas> Lupin is not an Animagi, but if he could transform, what form do you suppose his animagus would take and why? [13:54] <RudiusHagrid> wolf [13:54] <harryfreak359> uhhhh wolf [13:54] <nympheart> not wolf [13:54] <Poet> haha [13:54] <RudiusHagrid> it defines his personality [13:54] <harryfreak359> well...maybe [13:54] <nympheart> he's to nice [13:54] <nympheart> umm, let me think [13:55] <harryfreak359> I see something kinder and more.... [13:55] <RudiusHagrid> yes but being a werewolf is so much of what he is i dont think he would have a choice [13:55] <Expelliarmas> I would have picture Lupin as an owl [13:55] <harryfreak359> i don't know [13:55] <Poet> What if he'd never been bitten and thus it didn't define his personality. He'd be a very different person perhaps and who that person would be...I have no idea [13:55] <nympheart> it's not what he is at all! [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> Hmm, we've never seen his patronus, have we, which might give us a clue. [13:55] <harryfreak359> nah, I don't think so expel [13:55] <Poet> Ah [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> Wolves aren't all bad. Just werewolves. [13:55] <Expelliarmas> you don't think he's smart? [13:55] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:56] <nympheart> I know but it just doesn't fit him [13:56] <RudiusHagrid> BOOK suggests a hyena [13:56] <harryfreak359> yeah he his, but I don't his personality fits one of an owl [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> Ewww. [13:56] <Poet> Perhaps something like an otter, like Hermione? [13:56] <Expelliarmas> wolves are also vicious; which he isn't [13:56] <harryfreak359> *chokes* [13:56] <Overcast> I can see Lupin as another type of dog. Like a Lab or something. [13:56] <Expelliarmas> I can't picture Lupin as a hyena [13:56] <RudiusHagrid> wolves are not nessecarily violent [13:56] <harryfreak359> me either [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> Siberian husky. [13:56] <RudiusHagrid> thats a bit of bad PR [13:56] <nympheart> Labs are more energetic [13:57] <nympheart> trust me [13:57] <weirdsis> Lupin is gentle, and observant, and patient... [13:57] <harryfreak359> golden retreive [13:57] <RudiusHagrid> btw BOOK is here by me giving comments... [13:57] <Expelliarmas> so Lupin and Sirius would have both been dogs [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> Let's compromise. A wolfhound? smile [13:57] <harryfreak359> retriever* [13:57] <harryfreak359> lol [13:57] <Overcast> I had one mixed with German sheppard. That dog was crazy! Oh, I know. [13:57] <RudiusHagrid> greyhound? [13:58] <Expelliarmas> I can see Lupin as something like a German shepherd [13:58] <RudiusHagrid> very wolfish in appearance but a bit of a coward [13:58] <Expelliarmas> Pettigrew’s animagus takes the form of a rat. How did that suit him? [13:58] <nympheart> well [13:58] <nympheart> he's a rat [13:58] <RudiusHagrid> he's a RAT [13:58] <harryfreak359> He is very rat like [13:58] <Overcast> How about a rabbit? [13:58] <MrMcGonagall> He ratted his friends out. [13:59] <harryfreak359> ooh rabbit [13:59] <nympheart> i thought rabbit, overcast [13:59] <RudiusHagrid> he spills the beans on his best friend [13:59] <Poet> Sneaky, he hides. He was overlooked. [13:59] <nympheart> but that's not quite right [13:59] <harryfreak359> exactly Mr.McG [13:59] <Expelliarmas> rabbits aren't known for being traitors are they? I can't see Bugs Bunny like that. [13:59] <RudiusHagrid> you wanna stomp on him [13:59] <harryfreak359> lol, totally [13:59] <Poet> It's hard to see him coming.... [13:59] <harryfreak359> he has a very rat like personality [13:59] <RudiusHagrid> BOOK thinks bugs bunny is a traitor [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> Rats sort of skulk, too. This post has been edited by Poet: Sep 23 2006, 02:38 PM |
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