Reading Group Chat Transcript, Sept 23, 2006., Topic: Animagi |
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[12:55] *** dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [13:00] <Expelliarmas> Hello, everyone! [13:00] <Poet> We'll be starting in about 15 minutes, please feel free to chat [13:00] <RudiusHagrid> hello [13:00] <Inkreader13> hi [13:01] *** Aquamarine has joined #lounge [13:01] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:01] <Aquamarine> Hey all! [13:01] <RudiusHagrid> hi harryfreak [13:01] <harryfreak359> Hello! [13:01] <Expelliarmas> hello, aqya, HF [13:01] <harryfreak359> hi rudi [13:01] <Inkreader13> hello [13:01] <Expelliarmas> *aqua [13:02] <harryfreak359> gi expel [13:02] <harryfreak359> hi* [13:02] <harryfreak359> I can't type at all today [13:02] <Aquamarine> LOL [13:02] <Aquamarine> it's okay.. i can never type [13:02] <Inkreader13> what's everyone up to today? [13:02] <harryfreak359> still a little tense from trivia [13:02] <Aquamarine> i love trivia! [13:02] <RudiusHagrid> ok cool [13:02] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [13:02] <Aquamarine> are you going to Bacall's meetings tonight HF ? [13:03] <Poet> I still feel like I'm waking up. How are all of you? [13:03] <harryfreak359> yeah hopefully [13:03] <harryfreak359> I'm good [13:03] <Aquamarine> Alright, what about you Poet? [13:03] <nympheart> i'm fine, how are you [13:03] <Inkreader13> I'm good, but my sholders hurt. I played ball hockey yesterday. [13:03] <Poet> My shoulder hurts, but that's because it's been tornado weather this weekend. [13:04] <Aquamarine> I wish these chats counted for posts: we would all have thousands smile [13:04] <nympheart> no kidding [13:04] <Expelliarmas> Poet, are you sensitive to weather? [13:04] <Inkreader13> lol yeah [13:04] <harryfreak359> lol [13:04] <harryfreak359> Aqua, are you going to the meeting [13:04] <harryfreak359> ? [13:04] <Aquamarine> Yeah, I hope to. [13:04] <Poet> Yep, fractured my shoulder when I was 16 and it's been a weather predictor ever since [13:04] <Aquamarine> You're a runner right HF? [13:04] <nympheart> i used to sense th weather in my shin splints [13:04] <harryfreak359> awww that's awful [13:05] <harryfreak359> yeah, I am [13:05] <Aquamarine> Cool. [13:05] <Inkreader13> I broke my finger and for a few months after it hurt when we had bad weather [13:05] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [13:05] <harryfreak359> Since I am triva queen [13:05] <Aquamarine> Oh thats cool! [13:05] <harryfreak359> it seemed like a good job for me laugh [13:05] <Aquamarine> lol [13:05] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [13:05] <harryfreak359> wow...were is everyone? [13:05] <harryfreak359> where* [13:06] <Poet> You'd think my shoulder would stop hurting after 16 years [13:06] <Aquamarine> I really love trivia... but I don't stand a chance against people like you and Kimi! [13:06] <Aquamarine> Ah, that stinks Poet! [13:06] <harryfreak359> ohhhh....I can't stand a chance against Kimi either [13:06] <Expelliarmas> Miami [13:06] <Poet> Don't worry, no trivia here today ;) [13:06] <Inkreader13> I'm in Newfoundland [13:06] <harryfreak359> lol [13:06] <Aquamarine> lol [13:06] <harryfreak359> That is too bad about your shoulder Poet [13:07] <Aquamarine> I mean, like the last game, I knew the answers... but I just wasn't quick enough smile [13:07] <Poet> I fractured it playing "Red Rover, Red Rover" biggrin [13:07] <harryfreak359> lol [13:07] <dumbleydore18> hey everyone [13:07] * Aquamarine wishes she could type. [13:07] <harryfreak359> hi [13:07] <Aquamarine> LOL Poet [13:07] <nympheart> rough game, Poet [13:07] <harryfreak359> I know how you feel, I sprained my knee [13:07] <dumbleydore18> I just answered the door my neighbor wanted to see the newest new kitten [13:07] <harryfreak359> three times! [13:07] <Aquamarine>  [13:07] <Expelliarmas> what did you get tossed by some bully, or did you fall, Poet? [13:07] <Poet> Not as bad as Quidditch I'm sure, but we had no Madame Pompfrey, so I was out of luck [13:07] <Aquamarine> Oh darn it, I have to go already! [13:08] <dumbleydore18> I haven't broken a single bone [13:08] <Aquamarine> Ugh, I hope to be back soon Lsad [13:08] <harryfreak359> oh bye! [13:08] <dumbleydore18> or sprained anything [13:08] <Aquamarine> See you all tonight for sure though [13:08] *** Aquamarine has quit [Bye] [13:08] <Poet> No, I won the game for us, but ended up at the bottom of a dog pile as everyone celebrated [13:08] <harryfreak359> I've bnever broken a bone [13:08] <nympheart> i dislocated my elbow when I was 12 when I was playing soccer [13:08] <harryfreak359> lo [13:08] <Poet> (with my shoulder pinned behind me) [13:08] <harryfreak359> lol* [13:08] <nympheart> it got stuck straight, but I wanted to play so I snapped it [13:08] <harryfreak359> ouch [13:08] <Poet> ooo yuck [13:08] <Inkreader13> ohhhhh [13:08] <nympheart> not one of my brightest moments, but I did play in that game [13:08] <Expelliarmas> owwww; win the game, lose the player ... [13:09] <harryfreak359> I sprained my knee running into a trailer hitch thing [13:09] <harryfreak359> and jumping on the trampoline [13:09] <harryfreak359> and ice skating [13:09] <dumbleydore18> how did we get into broken bones? [13:09] <dumbleydore18> lol [13:09] <harryfreak359> lol [13:09] <Inkreader13> I broke my finger because I fell on a jumping castle [13:09] <harryfreak359> I'm a kluttz [13:09] <dumbleydore18> brb [13:09] <nympheart> ice skating is dangerous, I got my finger sliced open when someone skated over it [13:09] <harryfreak359> ouch [13:10] <Inkreader13> I almost chiped a bone at skating once [13:10] <harryfreak359> I was trying to this complicated spin thing during a lesson [13:10] <harryfreak359> didn't work out too well [13:10] * Expelliarmas confesses she started it with the weather question [13:10] <Poet> I jammed all of my fingers one time or another playing volleyball in gym class - good thing too, because when that tornado hit my highschool - my instrument was safely tucked away in its locker during orchestra class [13:10] <harryfreak359> lol [13:10] <nympheart> lol [13:10] <Inkreader13> lol [13:11] *** weirdsis has joined #lounge [13:11] <Poet> It's dangerous being a kid - poor Harry and his classmates can attest to that [13:11] <Poet> Hi weirdsis! [13:12] <weirdsis> Hi! This is my first Corner Booth chat, so I'm seeing how it goes! [13:12] <Poet> Nice [13:12] <Inkreader13> hey [13:12] <nympheart> mine too weirdsis [13:12] <weirdsis> Cool! [13:12] *** RudiusHagrid has quit [Bye] [13:12] <Expelliarmas> to all our first timers, chances are good you'll have a darned good time [13:12] <harryfreak359> lol totally [13:12] <harryfreak359> I remember when I was new to these [13:13] <harryfreak359> my first one was sooo much fun [13:13] <harryfreak359> and now I am addicted [13:13] <Expelliarmas> you addicted, HF?!? Never in life. [13:13] <weirdsis> So you've been discussing animagi? [13:13] <harryfreak359> LOL [13:13] <Poet> Not as its own topic [13:13] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [13:13] <Expelliarmas> we will be discussing the topic in about two minutes [13:13] <harryfreak359> Yeah, I am not addicted to anything [13:13] <Inkreader13> not yet, we're talking about broken bones [13:14] <Poet> Plenty of times in relation to other topics [13:14] <Inkreader13> lol [13:14] <Poet> Yes, broken bones and bad weather ;) [13:14] *** stinkywinky has joined #lounge [13:14] *** stinkywinky has quit [Bye] [13:14] <weirdsis> Oh, I see. Well, animagi frequently have broken bones in bad weather. [13:14] <Expelliarmas> a cheerful pre-topic chat [13:14] <weirdsis> Innit? [13:14] <harryfreak359> *cough* LeakyLounge, Harry Potter,Cornerbooth*cough* [13:14] <harryfreak359> yes very cheerful [13:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [13:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [13:15] <Poet> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Poet got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:15] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:15] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:16] <Expelliarmas> The process of transfiguration by which a witch or a wizard takes the form of an animal or reverts to human form from animal form. The transformed witch or wizard is known as an Animagi, while the form they take is known as the animagus. This is considered a highly complex and dangerous piece of magic. [13:16] <Expelliarmas> We first get an idea about Animagi in PS/SS when McGonagall transforms to and from a stern and bespectacled tabby cat. We learn about the term “Animagi” and “animagus” in PoA where we meet or learn of characters who can transform themselves at will. Some are legally registered and others are not. We even meet an unregistered Animagi in GoF. [13:16] <Expelliarmas> So let’s have a chat about Animagi and animagus. [13:16] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:16] <Expelliarmas> The first character we really get to know as an Animagi is McGonagall. She can transform into a tabby cat. Why does this suit her? [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> Can seem a little proud and stiff, but affectionate when she wants to be. also very ntelligent. [13:17] <cloudpic> She's dignified, independent...and I hope she has nine lives!! [13:17] <weirdsis> I've heard that dogs are like children and cats are like adolescents. A bit stand-offish. [13:17] <harryfreak359> Cats are more proper [13:17] <cloudpic> LOL weirdsis! I like that! [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> Like a cat, she has also mastered the ability to express disdain! [13:18] <harryfreak359> whereas dogs are more childish and playful\ [13:18] <Expelliarmas> Well, she can certainly be aloof [13:18] <nympheart> a no-nonsense kind of attitude [13:18] <cloudpic> Cats don't care what you think of them, either. [13:18] <Poet> Cats are also watchers. As a head of Gryffindor house, it's smart that she's a cat, and that she pays close attention to her students [13:18] *** dareios has joined #lounge [13:18] <Inkreader13> she was able to live after she was hit with a lot of stunning spells and cats have "nine lives" [13:18] *** RudiusHagrid has joined #lounge [13:18] <Expelliarmas> Dareios, we're discussing whether McGonagall's animagus cat form suits her [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> Cats also have a lot of fight in them when pushed. [13:19] *** dareios has quit [Bye] [13:19] <nympheart> she got vicious with Umbridge, like cats do occasionally [13:19] <weirdsis> Yet she can express affection when it is appropriate--for example, telling Neville his grandmother should be proud of the grandson she has [13:19] <Expelliarmas> vicious, but elegant--she never lost her cool [13:19] <Poet> I think a cat certainly suits the Gryffindors. I like that idea weirdsis [13:19] <nympheart> well, lions are cats [13:19] <cloudpic> And cats have an air of mystery about them [13:19] <Expelliarmas> isn't the gryffindor mascot a lion? [13:19] <Poet> Yes indeed [13:19] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, good point! [13:20] *** JackieA has joined #lounge [13:20] <Expelliarmas> But why a common house cat? [13:20] *** You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [13:20] <cloudpic> I love that her animagus has marks around her eyes that look like her spectacles! [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> McGonagall definitely hasn't been declawed at any point in her life. [13:20] <Poet> A small cat seems more feminine for one [13:20] <weirdsis> Well, a lion wouldn't exactly fit in on Privet Drive, would it? [13:20] <nympheart> house cats are more subtle, McG isn't usually in your face [13:21] <Expelliarmas> McG never seemed common to me [13:21] <cloudpic> LOL definitely not "normal" [13:21] <RudiusHagrid> not even in africa [13:21] <Poet> Yes, animagus forms that appear to be common animals do seem more "helpful" for the wizard or witch [13:21] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Rudi! [13:21] <Poet> ...though they can't choose [13:21] <RudiusHagrid> hi there [13:21] <You_wont_know_who> people don't recognize them [13:21] <You_wont_know_who> hi there [13:21] <cloudpic> I hadn't thought about that, Poet, but yes, they can get indoors and walk up to people without the same alarm! [13:22] <nympheart> there's a playful side of cats too, along with "it unscrews the other way" [13:22] <You_wont_know_who> I think the choice is natural - you like one kind of animal, you don't like the other [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, in our reading group we've had a long discussion about how Prongs managed to fit through the Whomping Willow tunnel. [13:22] <You_wont_know_who> haha [13:22] <Expelliarmas> Would it have made a difference if McG's animagus form was a more exotic, domesticated cat? [13:22] <Poet> I don't want to get ahead, but we do know of one person who has an animagus that isn't as easily hidden (the stag) [13:22] <RudiusHagrid> o hthat was hilarious [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> She doesn't seem like an exotic sort of person. Very British. [13:23] <nympheart> yes, very down-to-earth [13:23] <You_wont_know_who> that's why it's a tabby cat [13:23] <cloudpic> But can be a hunter if need be... [13:23] <Poet> She's Scottish, she's no nonsense, so I don't see her needing a more elaborate breed [13:23] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore was the transfiguration professor before McGonagall. Would it be possible that he too is an animagus? If so, why? If not, why not? [13:23] <dumbleydore18> the commen house cat suits McG because she has that cat personality. She is head teacher for the Gryffindors and cats are very independant and are full of leadership. They know where they want to go and when they want to get things done. Like cats McG is stern yet loving [13:24] <You_wont_know_who> cats are stern? [13:24] <nympheart> i don't think he's an animagus [13:24] <dumbleydore18> yet loving [13:24] <weirdsis> Yes, I think Dumbledore is an animagus. [13:24] <You_wont_know_who> they aren't [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure he could be. Undoubtedly he'd be a phoenix. [13:24] <nympheart> why bother if he can make himself invisible? [13:24] <Expelliarmas> Why or why not? [13:24] <cloudpic> I still think he may be a bumblebee... [13:24] <weirdsis> He may not always have been able to make himself invisible, though. [13:24] <Poet> I certainly think so, in terms of Dumbeldore. He can't have every power known to wizard-kind, but I do think as transfiguration teacher it fits [13:24] <cloudpic> Or something small...that's how he could be invisible [13:24] <weirdsis> I agree about the bee. [13:24] <Inkreader13> I'd say no because they read the list of registered animagus in class abd they didn't mention that he wa sone and I don't think dumbledore would break the law [13:24] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore was the transfiguration professor before McG, shouldn't he be able to do it? [13:25] <nympheart> he said invisible though [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> I would think so. [13:25] <harryfreak359> I think that he could be an animagus... [13:25] <cloudpic> Maybe he chose not to [13:25] *** Inkreader13 has quit [Bye] [13:25] <nympheart> I'm sure he knew how, but seeing as he's dead, how much of a part could it play? [13:25] <Poet> Good point Inkreader. Some people have argued that we don't know of him because he wasn't in the last 100 years (older than that) [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure if he was registered, Hermione would have mentioned it when she checked the list. [13:25] <Expelliarmas> Actually, the list Hermione checked was for registered animagi of the 20th century. DD was a 19th century type. [13:25] <harryfreak359> ooh true [13:25] <RudiusHagrid> i quite like that idea [13:26] <cloudpic> hadn't thought of that...maybe before registration was required? [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> Thaat is a possibility. [13:26] <RudiusHagrid> the owl in ch 1 of ps sticks out in my mind [13:26] <cloudpic> Like when people didn't need drivers licenses [13:26] <You_wont_know_who> I don't think so [13:26] <nympheart> but wouldn't DD still be listed as 20th century since he was still alive [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> If the Marauders could do it at their age, I'm sure DD could. [13:26] <You_wont_know_who> very true [13:26] <cloudpic> Owl Rudi? [13:26] <dumbleydore18> I think Dumbledore is not an animagi because I just don't see him popping in and out of his animal form. I think he's more dignified than that. Just like the same reason he doesn't have a horcrux. I also think it depends on the witch or wizard, whichever thing suits them more; flying, turning into an animagus, or apparating [13:26] <Expelliarmas> very true McG [13:26] <Poet> Hermione's list is hard to pinpoint I agree [13:26] <Expelliarmas> *Mr McG [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, nymph [13:26] <nympheart> I like that dumbledore [13:26] <RudiusHagrid> the owl that fkies int privet drive before dumbledore appears [13:27] <Expelliarmas> McG is quite dignified, and she can transform [13:27] <harryfreak359> whoa [13:27] <cloudpic> Oh...my goodness! [13:27] <RudiusHagrid> also an owl suits his personaliity [13:27] <cloudpic> thanks interesting [13:27] <harryfreak359> who do you remember that? [13:27] <cloudpic> and wise too [13:27] <JackieA> so true!! [13:27] <You_wont_know_who> better than a phoenix? [13:27] <cloudpic> But a phoenix is so...noticeable [13:27] <harryfreak359> I always thought a phoenix fit him the best [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> Certianly wouldn't attract as much attention [13:27] <nympheart> I think pheonix or bumblebee fits much better [13:27] <Expelliarmas> yes, an owl would be an interesting animagus; a phoenix might be too noticeable [13:27] <cloudpic> And doesn't die and JKR has said Dumbledore has died [13:27] <You_wont_know_who> bumblebee is a thought! [13:27] <Poet> Rudius, I've actually watched the movie (though not canon) and tried to see if that owl flew to the same spot Dumbledore appeared from biggrin [13:27] <harryfreak359> I have never htougrh of owl [13:28] <harryfreak359> thoguht* [13:28] <harryfreak359> lol poet [13:28] <nympheart> cloudpic, is right pheonixes are flashy, he'd definitely be noticed as one of those [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, couldn't DD probably transfigure himself into anything he wanted, without using an animagus transformation? [13:28] <You_wont_know_who> I think he could [13:28] <cloudpic> There's an interesting thought! [13:28] <weirdsis> Yes, I believe so, too. [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> We see Krum use a form of external transfiguration. [13:28] <Poet> Yes MrMcGonagall , I certainly agree [13:28] <cloudpic> We're used to thinking he can manage anything aren't we [13:29] <nympheart> well, as far as magic is concerned, that's more or less true [13:29] *** JackieA has quit [Bye] [13:29] <You_wont_know_who> and weren't we right? [13:29] *** amoscotia has joined #lounge [13:29] <nympheart> except for the powers he's too noble to use [13:29] <Expelliarmas> What purpose does it serve to be an Animagi? What good does it do? [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> Myabe phoenixes also have a power of invisibility that we haven't heard of yet? [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> Fawkes does seem to pop up in likely places. [13:30] <nympheart> well, as an Animagi, you don't need a wand to transform [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> unlikely* [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> True, nymph, that's an advantage at times. [13:30] *** You_wont_know_who has quit [Bye] [13:30] <cloudpic> Helps you to do things you can't do in your human form, like sit and watch a house all day [13:30] *** MaraudingDon has joined #lounge [13:30] <nympheart> or sneak out at night [13:30] <dumbleydore18> if you are a small animagus wanting to find a clue...like being in the order...then being small is good to fitting in cracks and finding secret and hidden things [13:30] <Poet> It's a quick transformation - one that you know well. Others can recognize you if you've shown them your "form," hopefully others can't mimic you... [13:30] <cloudpic> And accompany a friend whilst he's a werewolf [13:30] <weirdsis> LOL, McGonagall could do that as a human! [13:31] <nympheart> spy on people [13:31] *** You_wont_know_who has joined #lounge [13:31] <nympheart> she would have looked odd doing it though [13:31] <dumbleydore18> being an animagus could be good for escaping dangerous situations [13:31] <nympheart> Petunia would have called the police [13:31] <RudiusHagrid> depending on your animagus form travelling incognito is alot easier [13:31] <Expelliarmas> McG could have accomplished that as a human; just dress in Muggle clothing and visit Figg [13:31] <You_wont_know_who> or he could have made himself invisible [13:32] <Poet> We know from the mauraders that they can communicate with each other. I wonder if they can communicate with other animals as well as animagi [13:32] <harryfreak359> Animagus would be an excellent disguise to do wokr ofr the order [13:32] <nympheart> did Figg live there then? [13:32] <harryfreak359> work for* [13:32] <nympheart> she was there only to watch harry [13:32] <cloudpic> Didn't Sirius "talk" to Crookshanks? [13:32] <MaraudingDon> Wormtail lived with rats [13:32] <Expelliarmas> no idea if Figg was living there yet [13:32] <harryfreak359> yeah...cloudpic [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> More like to watch "for" Harry. [13:32] <cloudpic> And that sooooo suits Peter, MaraudingDon! [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, you're talking about Figgy [13:33] <You_wont_know_who> we know too little about the animagi to know the forms of communicating [13:33] <nympheart> I assume they can communicate with each other, and other animals [13:33] <You_wont_know_who> hi MaraudingDon [13:33] <Poet> I agree that Peter appears to have been able to talk to other rats and such [13:33] <Expelliarmas> While Sirius was a dog, how did he communicate with Crookshanks? [13:33] <MaraudingDon> Hi YWKW [13:34] <cloudpic> He didn't explain... [13:34] <You_wont_know_who> Crookshanks is very clever [13:34] <MaraudingDon> Well Crookshanks isn't an ordinary cat [13:34] <dumbleydore18> sirius communicated through telepathy [13:34] <Expelliarmas> did he do it as a dog, or as a human? [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> I'm pretty sure as a dog. [13:34] <dumbleydore18> as a dog [13:34] <MaraudingDon> dog I think [13:34] <weirdsis> Remember when Harry saw them together ? [13:34] <nympheart> dog, he wouldn't risk getting caught [13:34] <You_wont_know_who> yes [13:34] <weirdsis> After quidditch>? [13:34] <cloudpic> It was when they were roaming about together as dog and cat [13:34] <cloudpic> on the grounds [13:34] <weirdsis> Sirius was a dog then [13:34] <weirdsis> Yes [13:34] <Poet> He was able to tell Crookshanks to fetch the list. Crookshanks was half magical animal, so we've seen that magical creatures can communicate at least [13:34] <harryfreak359> Well he is an animal when he turned into his animagus form so it would only seem right for him to be able to talk to other animals [13:34] <Expelliarmas> could it be crookshanks as a half-Kneazle could read Sirius' thoughts? [13:35] <dumbleydore18> as a dog because Harry saw him in his dog form walking side by side with crookshanks [13:35] <nympheart> well, does anyone else own a dog and a cat? They interact. [13:35] <You_wont_know_who> maybe they can read each other's thoughts [13:35] <weirdsis> Exactly! [13:35] <Expelliarmas> my dog has nothing to do with cats except chase them [13:35] <MaraudingDon> I wonder if Prof McGonagall was able to communicate with Mrs Figgs cats? [13:35] <weirdsis> About the communication between the two [13:35] <weirdsis> Good point, Don. [13:36] <cloudpic> I was always surprised that McGonagall didn't know the Marauders had become animagi... [13:36] <nympheart> My dog and cats seem to hold silent conversations [13:36] <weirdsis> Because a cat was a lookout and let Figgy know Mundungus had disapparated [13:36] <MaraudingDon> I'm more surprised DD didn't know [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> How would they have guessed? [13:36] <You_wont_know_who> I agree Marauding Don [13:36] <cloudpic> Well, the kind of research they had to do [13:36] <dumbleydore18> when I had a dog...australian shepherd...she used to herd our cats...so funny....so I guess this could be a form of communicating [13:36] <nympheart> well, from that we can assume that James and Sirius did most of their researching on their own [13:36] <cloudpic> Books out of the library [13:36] <You_wont_know_who> Snape knew that there was something wrong [13:37] <cloudpic> And there had to be some trial and error? [13:37] <Expelliarmas> Sirius’ animagus takes the form of a large black dog. Does this suit him? What does it say about him that he didn’t turn into a St. Bernard, a cocker spaniel, or a Chihuahua? [13:37] <nympheart> Well, Snape watched them specifically [13:37] <nympheart> absolutely suits him [13:37] <MaraudingDon> LMAO - chihuahua [13:37] <You_wont_know_who> chihuahua would be good [13:37] <weirdsis> Sirius was larger than life, wasn't he? So a large dog is appropriate. [13:37] <You_wont_know_who> very fierce [13:37] <Poet> He's very spirited and a bit rough around the edges. I think the black dog suits him well. [13:37] <cloudpic> Yeah, he apparently resembles a bear or Grim from the comments [13:37] <weirdsis> The bark-like laugh... [13:38] <harryfreak359> It does suit him he is kind of reckless and certian not proper like McGonagall [13:38] <Expelliarmas> Well, he's not sedate, so a St. Bernard might not do [13:38] <cloudpic> Like a dog, he's very loyal to his "pack" [13:38] <MaraudingDon> Dogs are loyal though [13:38] <MaraudingDon> snap! [13:38] <nympheart> Sirius turns into a Newfoundland, which are very good family dogs [13:38] <weirdsis> Excellent point, cloudpic [13:38] <cloudpic> hee hee [13:38] <Poet> The whole House of Black is full of Dark images and had the air of someone that had died - so a Grim-like dog seems appropriate. [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> I think the dog makes sense for Sirius (the dog star). I wonder if he would have been less mangy as a dog i he hadn't just escaped from Azkaban. [13:38] <Expelliarmas> Sirius is very loyal and has a dogged personality [13:38] <cloudpic> Oh, nice point, Poet [13:39] <Poet> Definitely MrMcGonagall. [13:39] <harryfreak359> Yes, he definitely has a dog-like personality [13:39] <You_wont_know_who> He must controll Lupin with James [13:39] <cloudpic> Yeah, I wondered about that Mr.McG [13:39] <harryfreak359> it even points out htat he has a dog like laugh [13:39] <Expelliarmas> loyal to his friends, and never forgives people he can't stand [13:39] <nympheart> being a newfie just suits his temperment, and Poet as nice points [13:39] <MaraudingDon> Pity he didn't bite Severus [13:39] <Expelliarmas> yes [13:39] <dumbleydore18> lol [13:39] <weirdsis> Hey! [13:39] <harryfreak359> Hey! [13:40] <You_wont_know_who> but he was close [13:40] <Poet> There you go. [13:40] <cloudpic> Oh, my, a werewolf Snape! [13:40] <You_wont_know_who> it would be nice [13:40] <MaraudingDon> EWWW [13:40] <cloudpic> Oh, sorry, you meant Sirius should have bitten him...sorry duh [13:40] <harryfreak359> ooohhhhhhh [13:40] <MaraudingDon> Yes - LOL! [13:40] <Expelliarmas> James’ animagus takes the form of a stag. From what you’ve learned of James through the other characters, did this form suit him? [13:40] <harryfreak359> lol [13:40] <cloudpic> Wonder why Snape never tried to be an animagus?? [13:40] <dumbleydore18> I find it interesting that Sirius takes on the "black dog" form. [13:40] <harryfreak359> maybe he is cloudpic [13:40] <Poet> He's a protector? [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> The king of the forest, a la Bambi? [13:41] <nympheart> Snape is more inclined to Dark Arts than transfiguration [13:41] <cloudpic> The great head of antlers sort of echoes his pride in his hair ;D [13:41] <You_wont_know_who> Snape didn't have the talent to be an animagus [13:41] <RudiusHagrid> snape probably felt it served him no purpose to learn [13:41] <Poet> He protects Snape at the Whomping Willow, he tried to protect his family. [13:41] <MaraudingDon> Stag's are the leaders, James was popular, the Quidditch King and very talented - totally suits him [13:41] <harryfreak359> Hmm...I used to have an idea about why James turned into a stag [13:41] <harryfreak359> but I can't seem to remember it [13:41] <nympheart> Stags prance, like James apparently did [13:41] <Expelliarmas> lol, HF [13:42] <You_wont_know_who> what a pity...he was very virile [13:42] <RudiusHagrid> its a good point [13:42] <cloudpic> The stag is also very strong...dignified...and not at all domesticated [13:42] <weirdsis> A stag is powerful and they fight to the death [13:42] <Poet> ...yes, strutting around the castle [13:42] <nympheart> There's also that whole white stag thing [13:42] <Expelliarmas> they don't prance! but they are graceful and somewhat athletic [13:42] <Poet> Cool imagery, weirdsis [13:42] <dumbleydore18> it makes sense that James's animagus was bigger than the others...he was the ring leader of the group so his had to of been bigger [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> A noble animal. [13:42] <cloudpic> Harry: My father didn't strut! [13:42] <MaraudingDon> Great point Weirdsis - fight to the death, very brave [13:42] <You_wont_know_who> very proud - the king of the forest [13:42] <RudiusHagrid> lol [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> Wasn't he also the one who was able to bring Lupin/Werewolf into line when he got a little too dangerous? [13:43] <cloudpic> He also wouldn't be able to be sneaky in any way [13:43] <RudiusHagrid> y_d_k_w ill just not mention that to the local lions ok? [13:43] <weirdsis> Yes, MrMc [13:43] <nympheart> him and sirius, MrMcg [13:43] <Poet> Yes, so good thing he had those antlers [13:43] <cloudpic> Evidently with James, what you see is what you get [13:43] <dumbleydore18> I picture myself with bambi running by in my head...and then harry's words "he doesn't strut" [13:43] <You_wont_know_who> yes, he and sirus were big enough [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> I would think Sirius is more of an even match for Lupin [13:43] <MaraudingDon> Both James and Sirius could control Remus [13:43] <Poet> But its definitely more difficult to hide a stag [13:44] <Expelliarmas> How did James transforming into a stag help him sneak around the castle? How'd he get into the willow? [13:44] <dumbleydore18> what was the rat for then? [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> The willow knot. [13:44] <harryfreak359> errr....that's a hard question [13:44] <MaraudingDon> Invisibility cloak, then transfigure [13:44] <weirdsis> Yes, are there many deer in Scotland? [13:44] <nympheart> I always thought James transformed once they got out of the castle [13:44] <You_wont_know_who> for being around and sniffing [13:44] <harryfreak359> yeah, I though to too [13:44] <RudiusHagrid> they couldnt choose their shapes i think [13:44] <nympheart> his hooves would have woken people up [13:44] <Expelliarmas> the willow didn't seem to have that big an opening [13:44] <RudiusHagrid> the had to make do with what they got [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> I think he used his cloak for sneaking around in the castle. [13:44] <weirdsis> Never hear deer mentioned as being on the grounds or in the forest [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> In our group, I think we concluded that he either transformed just before entering the Shrieking Shakc, [13:45] <amoscotia> True, but there are loads of deer in Scotland [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> or Lupin simplifies things a bit in his retelling. [13:45] <nympheart> I think he transformed in the tunnel going to the Shack [13:45] <weirdsis> Thanks to the Scottish lass! [13:45] <Expelliarmas> if he transformed, though, would it be dangerous if Lupin was a werewolf? [13:45] <You_wont_know_who> they didn't need to enter the Shack [13:45] <Poet> So perhaps his stag shape helped him more once they were away from the castle - he'd be able to run beside the wolf and the dog [13:45] <harryfreak359> Yeah I agree Mr.McG, except peter transform before they go in [13:46] <MaraudingDon> They had the invisibility cloak to sneak around the castle - they would have transfigures once in the tunnel because they only explored the grounds when Lupin was having his "monthly moment" [13:46] <dumbleydore18> well I gotta go [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he had to, didn't he, to reach the knot in the tree. [13:46] <dumbleydore18> bye [13:46] <harryfreak359> bye! [13:46] <nympheart> bye [13:46] <cloudpic> Bye [13:46] <You_wont_know_who> bye [13:46] <RudiusHagrid> bye [13:46] <amoscotia> bye [13:46] <Poet> And if they were going to the Shack they didn't need to be transformed while going inside [13:46] <cloudpic> But they did...or Lupin would have attacked them [13:46] *** dumbleydore18 has quit [Bye] [13:46] <You_wont_know_who> they didn't have to enter [13:46] *** Overcast has joined #lounge [13:46] <cloudpic> That's why it was dangerous for James to go in there and get Snape out when he hadn't transformed [13:47] <RudiusHagrid> i think someone had to go in to fetch lupin [13:47] <nympheart> probably Sirius [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps Sirius and Peter went through transformed and brought Lupin back with them. [13:47] <RudiusHagrid> otherwise he'd be able to come out at any time [13:47] <You_wont_know_who> what for? he would go out on his own [13:47] <Expelliarmas> Wouldn't it have made sense for them to meet Lupin in the shack and set off from there? [13:47] <cloudpic> Sounded in Lupin's narrative like they didn't start roaming around right away... [13:47] <nympheart> but he's not in control as a werewolf [13:47] <Expelliarmas> why would they take off back down the tunnel and to hogwarts? [13:48] <cloudpic> I think they transformed and joined him in the Shack from the way Lupin's narrative reads [13:48] <nympheart> if he could get out like that, that wouldn't have been where Pomfrey led him to transform [13:48] <cloudpic> Didn't just left the Shack and roamed Hogsmeade and the Grounds [13:48] <You_wont_know_who> I think they wanted to roam the most [13:48] <nympheart> I think I agree with cloudpic [13:48] <harryfreak359> Yeah I agree too [13:49] <You_wont_know_who> it was very funny for them [13:49] <Expelliarmas> Would Lily have known about James becoming an Animagi? Why or why not? [13:49] <You_wont_know_who> and that's how they drew the map [13:49] <nympheart> I think she did when they were dating [13:49] <Poet> I bet he showed her eventually. [13:49] <nympheart> not before [13:49] <harryfreak359> I don't think she knew until they started dating [13:49] <RudiusHagrid> s she would [13:49] <MaraudingDon> reckless teenage boys - why couldn't they have just stayed in and got drunk like other boys!!! [13:49] <You_wont_know_who> Lily might have known, yes [13:49] <weirdsis> I'm sure Lily knew by 7th year, and perhaps she could transform as well [13:50] <cloudpic> Wouldn't that have been mentioned by now? [13:50] <Expelliarmas> That's an interesting thought, Lily transforming [13:50] <nympheart> what would she be? [13:50] <Expelliarmas> I don't think so, we don't have any recollections from Lily's friends [13:50] <weirdsis> There is SO much we don't know about their seventh year! [13:50] <harryfreak359> I think someone would have known and told Harry [13:50] <nympheart> we can't even name any friends Lily had, except the Marauders [13:50] <Poet> I hadn't thought about whether Lily could or not, but I can imagine that like most young men, he'd want to impress Lily with whatever abilities he might have. [13:50] <harryfreak359> Like Sirius or Lupin [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Well, she was a prefect. It would have been her job to keep an eye on the Gryffindors . . . [13:50] <weirdsis> We learn about their years as Harry is in that same year [13:51] <RudiusHagrid> i have mentioned it before but i think James may have transformed infront of harry as an exreme version of making faces for baby [13:51] <cloudpic> Those 7's are mysteries ;D [13:51] <Expelliarmas> Harry hasn't exactly been sharp when it comes to asking questions about Lily [13:51] <nympheart> true poet, especially a stag [13:51] <harryfreak359> LOL Rudi [13:51] <harryfreak359> I could see that too [13:51] <You_wont_know_who> Harry never asked that's true and it is really strange [13:51] <Expelliarmas> For sure James would transform for Harry [13:51] <MaraudingDon> great point Expelliarmus, Harry doesn't ask many questions at all [13:51] <harryfreak359> Yeah I agree expel [13:51] <RudiusHagrid> harry was raised not to ask questions [13:52] <harryfreak359> true Rudi [13:52] <harryfreak359> But he does seem to be rather nosy [13:52] <You_wont_know_who> but he might have asked Hagrid [13:52] <cloudpic> Have to go for a while...hope to come back! [13:52] <nympheart> bye [13:52] <RudiusHagrid> you'll notice he rarely asks adults questions about his past [13:52] <harryfreak359> bye cloudpic [13:52] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [13:52] <You_wont_know_who> I must go too, sorry, it was fun! [13:52] *** You_wont_know_who left #lounge [] [13:52] <Poet> hmm [13:52] <nympheart> well, that can be an akward topic [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> It seems odd that James never 'fessed up to DD when he and Lily entered the Order. It would have been useful to DD to know that James was an animagus. [13:52] <Expelliarmas> I think Lily would have found out in the 7th year; and maybe had suspicions before that [13:53] <RudiusHagrid> hmmm [13:53] <Poet> Yes, once James was out of Hogwarts, I wonder how Dumbledore never found out. [13:53] <nympheart> that's true MrMcG [13:53] *** MaraudingDon has quit [Bye] [13:53] <RudiusHagrid> dd is head of the wizengamot and would have been compelled to take action [13:53] <nympheart> and Sirius and Peter too [13:53] <Overcast> Has Dumbledore actually come out and said he never knew they were animagi? [13:53] <Expelliarmas> I can see where being a cat or dog would be useful to the order; but a stag? [13:53] <nympheart> I wonder what DD would have thought knowing Peter's personality was that of a rat? [13:53] <weirdsis> Yes, DD said he didn't know [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, DD mentions it at the end of POA [13:54] <Expelliarmas> yes, at the end of PoA, he says so [13:54] <RudiusHagrid> BOOK says she thinkd DD would have known anyway [13:54] <Expelliarmas> Lupin is not an Animagi, but if he could transform, what form do you suppose his animagus would take and why? [13:54] <RudiusHagrid> wolf [13:54] <harryfreak359> uhhhh wolf [13:54] <nympheart> not wolf [13:54] <Poet> haha [13:54] <RudiusHagrid> it defines his personality [13:54] <harryfreak359> well...maybe [13:54] <nympheart> he's to nice [13:54] <nympheart> umm, let me think [13:55] <harryfreak359> I see something kinder and more.... [13:55] <RudiusHagrid> yes but being a werewolf is so much of what he is i dont think he would have a choice [13:55] <Expelliarmas> I would have picture Lupin as an owl [13:55] <harryfreak359> i don't know [13:55] <Poet> What if he'd never been bitten and thus it didn't define his personality. He'd be a very different person perhaps and who that person would be...I have no idea [13:55] <nympheart> it's not what he is at all! [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> Hmm, we've never seen his patronus, have we, which might give us a clue. [13:55] <harryfreak359> nah, I don't think so expel [13:55] <Poet> Ah [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> Wolves aren't all bad. Just werewolves. [13:55] <Expelliarmas> you don't think he's smart? [13:55] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:56] <nympheart> I know but it just doesn't fit him [13:56] <RudiusHagrid> BOOK suggests a hyena [13:56] <harryfreak359> yeah he his, but I don't his personality fits one of an owl [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> Ewww. [13:56] <Poet> Perhaps something like an otter, like Hermione? [13:56] <Expelliarmas> wolves are also vicious; which he isn't [13:56] <harryfreak359> *chokes* [13:56] <Overcast> I can see Lupin as another type of dog. Like a Lab or something. [13:56] <Expelliarmas> I can't picture Lupin as a hyena [13:56] <RudiusHagrid> wolves are not nessecarily violent [13:56] <harryfreak359> me either [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> Siberian husky. [13:56] <RudiusHagrid> thats a bit of bad PR [13:56] <nympheart> Labs are more energetic [13:57] <nympheart> trust me [13:57] <weirdsis> Lupin is gentle, and observant, and patient... [13:57] <harryfreak359> golden retreive [13:57] <RudiusHagrid> btw BOOK is here by me giving comments... [13:57] <Expelliarmas> so Lupin and Sirius would have both been dogs [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> Let's compromise. A wolfhound? smile [13:57] <harryfreak359> retriever* [13:57] <harryfreak359> lol [13:57] <Overcast> I had one mixed with German sheppard. That dog was crazy! Oh, I know. [13:57] <RudiusHagrid> greyhound? [13:58] <Expelliarmas> I can see Lupin as something like a German shepherd [13:58] <RudiusHagrid> very wolfish in appearance but a bit of a coward [13:58] <Expelliarmas> Pettigrew’s animagus takes the form of a rat. How did that suit him? [13:58] <nympheart> well [13:58] <nympheart> he's a rat [13:58] <RudiusHagrid> he's a RAT [13:58] <harryfreak359> He is very rat like [13:58] <Overcast> How about a rabbit? [13:58] <MrMcGonagall> He ratted his friends out. [13:59] <harryfreak359> ooh rabbit [13:59] <nympheart> i thought rabbit, overcast [13:59] <RudiusHagrid> he spills the beans on his best friend [13:59] <Poet> Sneaky, he hides. He was overlooked. [13:59] <nympheart> but that's not quite right [13:59] <harryfreak359> exactly Mr.McG [13:59] <Expelliarmas> rabbits aren't known for being traitors are they? I can't see Bugs Bunny like that. [13:59] <RudiusHagrid> you wanna stomp on him [13:59] <harryfreak359> lol, totally [13:59] <Poet> It's hard to see him coming.... [13:59] <harryfreak359> he has a very rat like personality [13:59] <RudiusHagrid> BOOK thinks bugs bunny is a traitor [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> Rats sort of skulk, too. This post has been edited by Poet: Sep 23 2006, 02:38 PM |
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[14:00] <Poet> He is also at the mercy of the larger animals (and those with larger personalities)
[14:00] <Overcast> I wonder why they didn't see all of these traits when they were younger [14:00] <RudiusHagrid> he gets elmer to shoot himself in the foot [14:00] <harryfreak359> lol [14:00] <RudiusHagrid> (dont crucify me i just type what she says) [14:00] <Expelliarmas> Is Book an alterego, Rudius, or just in need of a computer? [14:01] <RudiusHagrid> shes my wife [14:01] <harryfreak359> lol [14:01] <Expelliarmas> backseat chatting? [14:01] <RudiusHagrid> in need of a pc if any one has a spare one [14:01] <RudiusHagrid> yep [14:01] <harryfreak359> lol [14:02] <Expelliarmas> Why didn’t the other three Marauders wonder about rat-boy taking the shape of a rat? Once they saw his animagus, shouldn’t they have been more careful and suspicious of Pettigrew once there were rumors of a traitor in their midst? [14:02] *** princessbb has joined #lounge [14:02] <RudiusHagrid> rats can make good pets but will bite you in the end [14:02] <MrMcGonagall> Well, lots of people do have rats as pets in the wizarding world. [14:02] <nympheart> rats don't bite [14:02] <harryfreak359> I don't think that they really paid to much attention to him....I think he was just more of a tag-a-long who knew their secrets [14:02] <Expelliarmas> Didn't you wonder at Sirius and Lupin suspecting each other, but not rat-boy? [14:02] <RudiusHagrid> Makani did a good illustration of that... [14:02] <nympheart> i own rats, and I 've never been bitten [14:03] <RudiusHagrid> yet... [14:03] <MrMcGonagall> When marauding, it was probably all Peter could do to keep up with the others. [14:03] <Poet> They had no reason to suspect him when they were students. He'd not told on them to any of their teachers. And it's easy to forget about Peter as a rat once they're out of school if they aren't transforming every month together. [14:03] <nympheart> they really are very sweet, but it's common belief that they're nasty [14:03] <RudiusHagrid> ok ive only dealt with feral sewer rats... [14:03] <harryfreak359> lol [14:03] <Overcast> If a rabbit doesn't suit Lupin than I'd think an owl would. Expelliarmus, you said that, right? [14:03] <RudiusHagrid> the size of labradors [14:04] <Expelliarmas> yep, overcast [14:04] <harryfreak359> scary [14:04] <MrMcGonagall> lol, Rudi [14:04] <harryfreak359> lol [14:04] <nympheart> actually I've been on google looking up animal symbols for Lupin [14:04] <Expelliarmas> sorry, but I would've wondered at a friend who turns into a rat; the forms seems to say something about the character [14:04] <nympheart> and although I've been taught that the wolf is a symbol of envy [14:04] <harryfreak359> Me too Expel [14:04] *** princessbb has quit [Bye] [14:04] *** bemused has joined #lounge [14:05] <harryfreak359> But again, I don't think they really paid much attention to him [14:05] <Expelliarmas> especially if there were rumors of a traitor "a rat" in my sphere [14:05] <nympheart> ~Wolf--Loyalty, success, perseverance, stability and thought. Wolves are also regarded as pathfinders and teachers. Wolf is represented by the constellation Sirius, the Dog. In the Zuni tradition the Wolf symbolizes the direction East. [14:05] <nympheart> this is what my source is telling me [14:05] <harryfreak359> I don't think they really thought he was smart enough to betray them to Voldemort...or brave enough [14:05] <RudiusHagrid> i think that considering that rats are pets inthe wizarding world they saw him in the same way [14:05] <RudiusHagrid> as a "pet" [14:06] <Overcast> He had to have shown some kind of traitor behavior during school or at least some weak traits. I just think he probably did something to one of them but they never found out who it was or something. [14:06] <Expelliarmas> Oh, definitely weak. [14:06] *** weirdsis has quit [Bye] [14:06] *** bemused has quit [Bye] [14:06] <harryfreak359> I think he was very loyal to them because they were powerful.. [14:07] <Expelliarmas> While James, Sirius, and ratfink were Animagi, how did ratfink keep up with the other three Marauders, who were all much bigger animals than him? [14:07] <harryfreak359> but when Voldemort showed he could be more powerful he went to him [14:07] <nympheart> got a ride? [14:07] <RudiusHagrid> he rode the stag [14:07] <Poet> Yes, a ride [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> Clinging to the antlers. [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> hehe [14:07] <Overcast> I always thought he caught a ride on the back of James or Sirius [14:07] <harryfreak359> Yes, it had to have a ride [14:07] <harryfreak359> lol [14:07] <RudiusHagrid> grip the antlers and away we go [14:07] <Poet> (imagines Makani's drawings) [14:07] <Expelliarmas> lol, MrMcG [14:07] <RudiusHagrid> lol [14:07] <Expelliarmas> You don't think he would've hitched with Sirius? [14:08] * harryfreak359 is now giggling picturing a rat hanging on to a stag's antlers [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> Harder to hold on to a dog. [14:08] <nympheart> Easier James I think [14:08] <RudiusHagrid> dogs generally dont like rats [14:08] <nympheart> my dog likes my rats... [14:08] <harryfreak359> Yeah it would have been easier to hold to a stag [14:08] <RudiusHagrid> (as BOOK pointed out) [14:08] <harryfreak359> lol [14:09] <RudiusHagrid> heheheh [14:09] *** amoscotia has quit [Bye] [14:09] <Expelliarmas> Pettigrew’s human face is described as being “rat-like” with grubby skin like fur, a pointed nose, a squeaky voice, and very small, watery eyes. Sirius had a laugh like a bark. If the Animagi stays in his or her animagus form, does their human form gradually become more like the animal form? Why or why not? [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> Somehow, I've always thought Sirius was not quite as friendly with Peter as James' was. [14:09] <RudiusHagrid> i can blame her for any stpuid comments I make... [14:09] <nympheart> I think its just that in books people appear as what their personalities are [14:09] * Expelliarmas pictures Rudi getting smacked [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> Hmm, that is a catch-22 expel. [14:10] <RudiusHagrid> lol [14:10] <RudiusHagrid> i think its true [14:10] <harryfreak359> I think so, because they are so used to living like that certain animal they slowly become more and more like that animal [14:10] <MrMcGonagall> You transform into an animal because it resembles your personality, but does it become self-reinforcing? [14:10] <Expelliarmas> What you getting smacked, or the animal form becoming more animal like? [14:10] <RudiusHagrid> i think if you stay transformed too long it starts to rub off [14:10] <harryfreak359> lol [14:11] <harryfreak359> I agree Rudi [14:11] <Overcast> Let's look at Prof. McGonagall. Does she seem cat like to you guys? [14:11] <harryfreak359> YES [14:11] <RudiusHagrid> yes [14:11] <Poet> This isn't a perfect example, but I'm reminded of how Bill (in Book 6) took a liking to slightly raw meat after the attack by Greyback. I think being associated with an animal/transformation does rub off on you a little. [14:11] <nympheart> yes, but that's because of her personality working outward [14:11] <MrMcGonagall> Somewhat, but I definitely could ahve seen her as an owl. [14:11] <Expelliarmas> yes, she does. I think the form is a reflection of their character [14:11] <nympheart> it's the air she has [14:11] <MrMcGonagall> Which is a symbol of Minerva anyway in mythology. [14:11] <harryfreak359> hmm...poet [14:11] <harryfreak359> interestin [14:11] <harryfreak359> interesting* [14:12] * harryfreak359 can't type at all today [14:12] <MrMcGonagall> Harryfreak has a Hagrid moment. [14:12] <harryfreak359> LOL [14:12] <nympheart> hmm, interesting Poet, i couldn't get past crossing books with the raw meat thing [14:12] <RudiusHagrid> lol [14:12] <Expelliarmas> In Peter's case though, I think he always had a rat-like appearance, even as a kid [14:12] * harryfreak359 choke on water [14:12] <harryfreak359> chokes* [14:12] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe their [14:13] <MrMcGonagall> physical features have been influenced by the fact that they've spent such a long time in their animagus forms. [14:13] * RudiusHagrid pats harryfreak on the back [14:13] <nympheart> I think the similarites to animagus forms is just the personality coming out, and not anything actually physical [14:13] <Poet> The mauraders for instance have a changed mental state while transformed. I would imagine that spending time in that state has some at least temporary affect on them with residual after effects that can have residual longterm implications to their personalities [14:13] <harryfreak359> . . . Wow poet....exactly [14:13] <Expelliarmas> This is a bit like what comes first, the chicken or the egg. But does one become more like their animal form or does the animal form simply reflect the human characteristics of the Animagi? [14:13] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:13] <RudiusHagrid> you probably find that the wizard has a time where he/she struggles to ajust mentally to the shape their in [14:13] <nympheart> the latter [14:14] <Expelliarmas> Hello, Jane! [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jane! [14:14] <harryfreak359> hi Jane! [14:14] <nympheart> hi [14:14] *** madamnarcissamalfoy has joined #lounge [14:14] <JaneMarple9> Hello all! [14:14] <RudiusHagrid> hi jane [14:14] <Poet> And how we think and feel about ourselves internally can have a subltle outward effect as well [14:14] <Overcast> But isn't being an animagus different than being a werewolf? Maybe Bill taking a liking to raw food was because that bite actually transformed him completely into a werewolf type thing since Fen bit him when he wasn't a werewolf himself. [14:14] <JaneMarple9> whats the discussion today? [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> If someone's personality underwent a major change, would that affect their animagus? [14:14] <Overcast> Lupin has no choice he has to change no matter what. Animagi can go years without changing if they wanted. [14:14] <Poet> animagus [14:14] <Expelliarmas> here's the question for those who just joined-- This is a bit like what comes first, the chicken or the egg. But does one become more like their animal form or does the animal form simply reflect the human characteristics of the Animagi? [14:15] <Poet> We've seen Tonks' patronus change with her personality. [14:15] <RudiusHagrid> i think the instance of bill is an effect of lycantropy not an actual animagus trait [14:15] <nympheart> well, that's kind of like the Patronus MrMcG, I think so, but that depends on which school of psychology you like [14:15] <harryfreak359> I think that it is a little bit of both. I think you become an animal that you have similar personalities too, then after you transform you start becoming more and more like that animal [14:15] <JaneMarple9> I think the animal reflects the personality [14:15] <nympheart> some people believe that you have a set personality [14:15] <RudiusHagrid> the patronus i believe is lined to the memory or mental state of the individual [14:15] <Poet> I think the animal reflects the person and then giving into changing into that animal a lot can have a positive reinforcement cycle [14:15] <RudiusHagrid> the animagus form on the more fixed personality [14:15] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hi all! [14:16] <Expelliarmas> So if you spend too much time as say, a rat, do you become more rat-like? [14:16] <harryfreak359> hi [14:16] <nympheart> but shocks for your mental state link to affecting your personality [14:16] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, we see with Tonks that she has trouble with her metamorphagizing (is that a word?) when she's depressed over Lupin. [14:16] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:16] <RudiusHagrid> not really [14:16] <Expelliarmas> close enough MrMcG [14:16] <harryfreak359> we understand anyways... [14:16] <RudiusHagrid> how you react to a shock is linked to your personality [14:16] <Poet> Yes Expelliarmas , I think spending time as a rat does reinforce the rat parts of the personality. [14:17] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Sry, was watching stick it, whats the topic? [14:17] <Poet> Sort of like practicing an instrument ;) [14:17] <harryfreak359> animagus [14:17] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Ok, thanks [14:17] <MrMcGonagall> An animagus form seems less changeable than a patronus, but I would think there are things that can make the animagus transformation a little more difficult to do. [14:17] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:17] <harryfreak359> wb Jane [14:17] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [14:17] <RudiusHagrid> hi cloudpic [14:17] <harryfreak359> wb cloudpic [14:17] <JaneMarple9> Hi Cloud [14:17] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I was really surprised that you could even change your patronus [14:17] <Poet> I agree [14:17] <cloudpic> Thanks [14:18] <Expelliarmas> Lupin seemed shaken at the Quidditch match where Harry produced a stag-like patronus. Do you suppose the animagus form and the patronus form are the same? Why or why not? [14:18] <JaneMarple9> Yes, that was surprising [14:18] <cloudpic> I wonder if it was a conscious change, though [14:18] <harryfreak359> I agree Mr.McG [14:18] <Poet> Boggarts change, so patronus might need to change to counter act from time to time [14:18] <nympheart> I think they are connected kind of [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> Generally the same, but not always. [14:18] <madamnarcissamalfoy> it didnt even occur to me when i read about her being sad [14:18] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [14:18] <cloudpic> Or maybe it was just because it looked so much like James [14:18] <RudiusHagrid> I think lupin was shaken becaus he basically saw james again [14:18] <JaneMarple9> I think it was because James was a stag when he transformed [14:18] <harryfreak359> yeah me too, rudi [14:18] <cloudpic> Yes, Rudi [14:18] <cloudpic> I agree Jane [14:19] <JaneMarple9> Hi Theoriser [14:19] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Will harrys change? [14:19] <Expelliarmas> So, Rudi, does that mean he saw James in Harry? [14:19] <MrMcGonagall> Good question, madam. [14:19] <nympheart> but I do think Lupin's reaction was just seeing James again [14:19] <RudiusHagrid> BOOK thinks there is a degree of genetic dispostion to your animagus form [14:19] <madamnarcissamalfoy> To lilys "animal?" [14:19] <nympheart> there is a bit of genetics to personality [14:19] <JaneMarple9> If it does, I'm thinking that it might turn nto something connected with Dumbledore...like at Phoenix [14:19] <RudiusHagrid> i think thats what she meant [14:19] <cloudpic> Might be... [14:19] <nympheart> but then you get into nature vs. nurture [14:20] <Expelliarmas> If you do think the patronus and animagus forms are the same, then would the animagus forms of Ron (Jack Russell terrier) and Hermione (otter) suit them? What does it say about them? [14:20] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Is jkr hiding dumbledores animagus from us or did she say he didnt have one? [14:20] <RudiusHagrid> well, its probably a combination of the two [14:20] <Overcast> I think she's hiding it. [14:20] <RudiusHagrid> i dont think anyone asked [14:20] <nympheart> I don't think they're the same, Hermione's not playful enough to be an otter [14:20] <cloudpic> Hee hee...a Jack Russell may be small (which Ron isn't) but they can be fierce! [14:20] <Theoriser> I think it suits them [14:20] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hmmm. I think its phoenix-like [14:21] <cloudpic> But otters are so full of energy and work hard on their "business" [14:21] <JaneMarple9> I would have said DD's was a phoenix [14:21] <harryfreak359> I think it suits them too [14:21] <madamnarcissamalfoy> or really awesome [14:21] <RudiusHagrid> he has an inferiority complex but is agressive [14:21] <cloudpic> Maybe Hermione's playful side is just emerging? [14:21] <RudiusHagrid> she is very clever [14:21] <MrMcGonagall> I think R and H's patronuses had more to do with Jo just giving them some of her favorite animals. Her own pet and her own favorite animal. [14:21] <Theoriser> I would think that your animagus and patronus were the same, because it's like your personaloty [14:21] <cloudpic> Yes, don't otters use "tools"? Clever critters [14:21] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Yeah but that would kinda be corny, Jane [14:21] <JaneMarple9> I didn't know Ron's patronus was a Jack Russelll, strange choice [14:21] <Poet> Jo chose the otter for Hermione because she sees herself in 11 year old Hermione and otter is what she'd choose for herself, but I've always had a tiny bit of trouble seeing Hermione as an Otter [14:21] <RudiusHagrid> otters are extremely intelligent and even use "tools" [14:21] <harryfreak359> Yeah, cloudppic [14:21] <harryfreak359> and rudi [14:22] <madamnarcissamalfoy> no offense [14:22] <harryfreak359> lol [14:22] <Poet> (even though it's just a patronus) [14:22] <nympheart> the problem is, we've never seen an animagus's patronus [14:22] <cloudpic> hee hee...great minds... [14:22] <RudiusHagrid> great minds think alike [14:22] <JaneMarple9> smile none taken! [14:22] <harryfreak359> lol [14:22] <RudiusHagrid> fools never differ [14:22] <nympheart> I agree, Poet [14:22] <madamnarcissamalfoy> laugh [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> good point, nymph [14:22] <Overcast> they never shown Lupin's patronus [14:22] <harryfreak359> yeah good point [14:22] <cloudpic> Yeah...he seems to just put out a "glow" when he got rid of the dementors... [14:22] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i dont think it is a werewolf [14:23] <nympheart> well, Lupin's not an animagus either [14:23] <Overcast> well, he's not an animagus either. [14:23] <harryfreak359> lol [14:23] <Overcast> lol, jinx [14:23] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Lupin has to have a patronus [14:23] <nympheart> we need to see McG's or someone's [14:23] <Expelliarmas> Jack Russell terriers are considered to be highly intelligent with lots of energy. They were originally bred for fox hunting and to catch rats. Is this significant to Ron’s future role? [14:23] <RudiusHagrid> yes but he should be able to produce a patronus [14:23] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [14:23] <Expelliarmas> folks, let's try to stay on topic. [14:23] <RudiusHagrid> otherwise how would he expect to teach harry [14:23] <Poet> Wow, I didn't realize that about fox hunting. [14:23] <Theoriser> madamnarcissamalfoy, please try to stay on topic and follow the direction of the questions asked [14:23] <harryfreak359> Hehe. I think Ron is going to have someting to do with fighting Peter [14:23] <cloudpic> Oh, my rat catchers! That's ironic with Scabbers! [14:23] <madamnarcissamalfoy> sry [14:24] <Overcast> oh yes, i'm sure he has. i just wonder what an animagus' patronus is. [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> It is ironic, cloudpic [14:24] <JaneMarple9> Yes it is different! Might be connected with Scabbers [14:24] <Theoriser> wow, I like the rat catching connection [14:24] <harryfreak359> defintiely ironic [14:24] <RudiusHagrid> lol [14:24] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I hate the rat animagus, it was so sneaky!!!!!!! [14:24] <Pleshette> Hi everyone! What's the topic? [14:24] <RudiusHagrid> Jo Rowling said the patronus was a tribute to her own dog [14:25] <harryfreak359> hi pleshette! [14:25] <Poet> Animagi [14:25] <Expelliarmas> animagus [14:25] <Expelliarmas> Pleshette this is the pending question: Jack Russell terriers are considered to be highly intelligent with lots of energy. They were originally bred for fox hunting and to catch rats. Is this significant to Ron’s future role? [14:25] *** Narya has joined #lounge [14:25] <Pleshette> Thanks [14:25] <harryfreak359> hi Narya [14:25] <Overcast> Also, Patronus' have to do with your happiest thought, right? You have to think of your happiest thought to produce one, so wouldn't the patronus itself have something to do with that? [14:25] <nympheart> hi Narya [14:25] <Narya> Hi [14:25] <cloudpic> Ron plans to be in on the hoarcrux hunt [14:25] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:25] <JaneMarple9> Maybe he'll go hunting with Harry for the horcruxes? [14:25] <nympheart> I don't think so Overcast [14:26] <RudiusHagrid> He may be doing some digging [14:26] <Pleshette> He'll sniff one out for Harry [14:26] <RudiusHagrid> jack russels love that [14:26] <Overcast> Oh, I think Ron will do great things in Book Seven. [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> Scrabbling in the dirt . . \ [14:26] <Pleshette> I'm sure of it smile [14:26] <RudiusHagrid> and i have a feeling one horcux is underground [14:26] <JaneMarple9> He might borrow a Niffler from Hagrid? smile [14:26] <harryfreak359> lol [14:26] <Expelliarmas> So do you see Ron as catching out Peter/Scabbers? [14:26] <nympheart> lol [14:26] <harryfreak359> yes expel! [14:26] <RudiusHagrid> ooh yes [14:26] <RudiusHagrid> retribution [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> It will be interesting to see what would happen if they come face to face. [14:26] <RudiusHagrid> i like it [14:26] <JaneMarple9> Maybe, seeming that Scabbers belonged to him [14:27] <Theoriser> the highly intelligent part seems good too [14:27] <cloudpic> It'd certainly be righteous [14:27] <harryfreak359> I think because that it was his rat he feels responisble for what happen with Peter [14:27] <Pleshette> Yes [14:27] <nympheart> yup [14:27] <cloudpic> And dogs are loyal... [14:27] <RudiusHagrid> Ron is alot cleverer than we give him credit for [14:27] <MrMcGonagall> Still some lingering resentment. [14:27] <Expelliarmas> I like very much that the terrier is considered smart. [14:27] <Pleshette> And betrayed by the ultimate betrayer [14:27] <RudiusHagrid> and I think the tenacity is relevant too [14:27] <cloudpic> And Ron certainly is... that scene in PoA when he says Sirius would have to kill him too... [14:27] <harryfreak359> Ron is smart...but a different kind of smart htan Hermione [14:27] <harryfreak359> than* [14:28] <Poet> I agree harryfreak359 [14:28] <Overcast> yeah, exactly. [14:28] <harryfreak359> He knows more about the wizarding world [14:28] <cloudpic> Ron can strategize...and think ahead [14:28] <nympheart> yes, chess [14:28] <Poet> Ron has shown his "hunting" or battle skills in chess [14:28] <Overcast> Hermione has book smarts [14:28] <cloudpic> Can't play any kind of chess if you can't do that! [14:28] <RudiusHagrid> exactly [14:28] <JaneMarple9> Yes, like the chess game [14:28] <harryfreak359> yeah exactly [14:28] <MrMcGonagall> very good point [14:28] <Pleshette> He often see things the way they are before the others do [14:28] <Overcast> right. [14:28] <Expelliarmas> Do you think it possible the trio would attempt animagus transformation? Why or why not? [14:28] <Overcast> possibly [14:29] <JaneMarple9> Is it possible Ron has a hidden talent? [14:29] <MrMcGonagall> He's not good at theory, but he's good at reading the lay of the land. [14:29] <nympheart> no, I think they have more on their minds [14:29] <Pleshette> Yes! Hermione [14:29] <harryfreak359> Hermione could probably do it [14:29] <RudiusHagrid> no its too late for that now [14:29] <Poet> They've run out of time? [14:29] <cloudpic> Will they have time to learn something so complex? [14:29] <cloudpic> Yeah, Rudi, [14:29] <Narya> I don't think they would attempt it - it took James and Sirius three years to master it [14:29] <RudiusHagrid> it took the marauders years [14:29] <JaneMarple9> sorry lets move on. I think Harry might transform [14:29] <nympheart> I think it took five years actually [14:29] <Narya> I'm sure it's three - could be wrong though [14:29] <Pleshette> I think McGonagall will or already has been teaching her secretly, just my gut feeling [14:29] <Overcast> Does anyone think Hermione is trying it now, without telling Ron and Harry? [14:29] <nympheart> I think Jo said Harry won't [14:29] <harryfreak359> I thought it was four [14:30] <harryfreak359> oh well... [14:30] <cloudpic> Teaching Hermione to become an animagus?? [14:30] <Theoriser> yeah, like playing chess [14:30] <Expelliarmas> It took James and Sirius three years because they were sneak-teaching themselves [14:30] <cloudpic> Why? [14:30] *** Theoriser has quit [Bye] [14:30] <nympheart> they managed it in their fifth year [14:30] <Pleshette> Yes [14:30] <Poet> That would be interesting [14:30] <RudiusHagrid> no i dont think so [14:30] <Narya> I don't think even Hermione would try the Animagus transformation [14:30] <JaneMarple9> She might do, but when would she have time with all her lessons? smile [14:30] <Expelliarmas> Hermione could probably do it; weren't they learning how in HBP? [14:30] <MrMcGonagall> I think Hermione could master it more easily than most, but I can't see Harry or Ron doing it. [14:30] <RudiusHagrid> she would have mentioned it to the others [14:30] <nympheart> I don't think it will help them enought to make the time worth it [14:30] <Overcast> Would she have? [14:30] <cloudpic> She's always been good in transformations [14:30] <Narya> They've learned about human transfiguration, but not enough [14:31] <JaneMarple9> Ah but she didn't mention the time-turners [14:31] <Poet> I'm surprised Hermione hasn't tried, knowing how she likes to try everything in the books before they even have it in class [14:31] <Pleshette> She to ace her Transfiguration OWL [14:31] <cloudpic> Since she doesn't fly well (on a broomstick) it'd be a neat talent for her [14:31] <Pleshette> aced [14:31] <nympheart> it's illegal though, Poet, she wouldn't want to get in trouble for that [14:31] <cloudpic> Maybe the "cat" incident with polyjuice potion put her off... [14:31] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe this is a reason to see more of McGonagall in 7. biggrin [14:31] <RudiusHagrid> yes [14:31] <cloudpic> Oh, I hope so! [14:31] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [14:31] <Pleshette> I agree! [14:31] <Overcast> ah, hope so [14:31] <cloudpic> We know Hermione can keep secrets (the timeturner) [14:31] <Poet> Of course the Mauraders wanted to transform to sneak around. Hermione has no such notions usually. [14:31] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps cloud smile enough to put anyone off transforming! [14:31] <RudiusHagrid> lol a little bias there mr mc.g? [14:31] <Narya> Minerva probably has enough to do in running Hogwarts, though! [14:32] <MrMcGonagall> a little [14:32] <Expelliarmas> Otters have loads of hair and are considered graceful, flexible, and very clever. How would Hermione’s animagus form be useful? [14:32] <cloudpic> It could slip into small places....and could go in water! [14:32] <Theoriser> maybe she could sneak around? [14:32] <Poet> She could go down into the lake, easily get in and out of Hogwarts [14:32] <JaneMarple9> well otters live near the water [14:32] <cloudpic> And it's paws are fairly manipulative [14:33] <Narya> Her Patronus form wouldn't necessarily be the same as her Animagus form though, would it? [14:33] <RudiusHagrid> i dont think you must read that much into the animagus form [14:33] <JaneMarple9> she could sneak in and out the lake yes [14:33] <Poet> No, not necessarily. [14:33] <MrMcGonagall> I just had the funniest image of Hermione transforming and sitting there looking at Ron and Harry. [14:33] <nympheart> I don't think so, Narya [14:33] <Expelliarmas> well, if there is water around or a long swim necessary ... [14:33] <cloudpic> Well, no....it might not be. [14:33] <cloudpic> Good point. [14:33] <Narya> Animagus forms aren't controlled by the wizard [14:33] <RudiusHagrid> i mean patronus [14:33] <cloudpic> Neither are Patronuses.. [14:34] <JaneMarple9> Might the cave (in book 6) be signifacant again? [14:34] <Poet> Correct, hmm [14:34] <JaneMarple9> then a otter may be useful [14:34] <nympheart> I think we've seen the last of the cave [14:34] <RudiusHagrid> i dont see ti as constrined by the shape and size of its form [14:34] <Expelliarmas> Neither the patronus nor the animagus forms are controlled by the wizard; but they do seem to reflect their personalities [14:34] <Pleshette> Could be Jane [14:34] <nympheart> no reason to go back [14:34] <Poet> Even an otter wouldn't do well against the cave's inferius. [14:34] <Theoriser> yeah [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> I tend to think the patronus is more linked to an emotional state rather than personality. [14:35] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:35] <Expelliarmas> That's likely true [14:35] <nympheart> Sirius got past the dementors as a dog, though [14:35] <nympheart> would Inferi work the same way? [14:35] <harryfreak359> I agree MrMcG [14:35] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:35] <Narya> I don't think so, nympheart [14:35] <Expelliarmas> Hello, Aislinn [14:35] <JaneMarple9> Hey Aislinn [14:35] <MrMcGonagall> Although certainly related, as the psyche is part of the personality. [14:35] <RudiusHagrid> well ones memories do have an impact on your outlook on life and we know your patronus reflects your personality [14:35] <harryfreak359> hi Aislinn! [14:35] <Aislinn> Hi folks! [14:35] <Narya> Hi [14:35] <Overcast> hi [14:35] <nympheart> hi [14:35] <Expelliarmas> Why does the Ministry of/for Magic insist upon the registration, but not the licensing, of Animagi? [14:35] <RudiusHagrid> hi [14:35] <Pleshette> Hi Aislinn! [14:36] <cloudpic> So folks can't sneak around?? [14:36] <nympheart> so people like Peter and Rita can't pose threats unchecked [14:36] <JaneMarple9> They like to think they know what's going on [14:36] <Overcast> so they know who has the ability and who doesn't. [14:36] <Aislinn> I agree nympheart [14:36] <MrMcGonagall> It would be really difficult to find an animagus if you didn't know what the person looked like transformed. [14:36] <Narya> It's an attempt to control them, I think [14:36] <harryfreak359> so that they can keep track of them, so that if one ever commited a crime they'd know to look for htem as animals [14:36] <RudiusHagrid> its probably a case of they dont want to limit a wizard, but they do want to know what he is capable of [14:36] <JaneMarple9> And srop any spies [14:36] <Theoriser> so the animal doesn't get hurt by someone who doesn't know their markings [14:36] <nympheart> I agree, Rudi [14:36] <JaneMarple9> stop* [14:37] <RudiusHagrid> and they want to be there to lend a hand if things go pear shaped [14:37] <Aislinn> I think you're right, harryfreak - one of the reasons that Peter escaped was because they didn't know he could become a rat [14:37] <harryfreak359> exactly [14:37] <Pleshette> Right [14:37] <nympheart> yeah, that applies too Theoriser, some self protection [14:37] <MrMcGonagall> For instance, Sirius dares to go to the station as a dog because he thinks no one else knows. [14:37] <Overcast> Mmm-hm [14:37] <Pleshette> True Mr. McG [14:37] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:37] <Expelliarmas> So it's used to keep track of people? If so, then why become an animagi? Isn't the ability to sneak a reason for doing it? [14:37] <Poet> Perhaps most people gain the ability before they are of age, so licensing of such a small amount of the population when they are young seems a bit of work for the Ministry [14:38] <harryfreak359> It might be useful in other ways too [14:38] <MrMcGonagall> Dead useful as an auror. [14:38] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:38] <harryfreak359> totally [14:38] <Overcast> I was thinking there are probably a few unregistered animagi out there. [14:38] <Expelliarmas> But if the auror has to register, than why do it? [14:38] <MrMcGonagall> And there are some who would probably just revel in the ability, whether or not it had any use. [14:38] <Pleshette> Perhaps the MOM used animagi as spies during the first rise of V [14:38] <Narya> But also useful for a DE, hence the registrations [14:38] * madamnarcissamalfoy is back [14:38] <RudiusHagrid> i think its more for sneaking around the muggle world than the wizarding world [14:39] <nympheart> i have to go, bye guys [14:39] <JaneMarple9> I'd say there was a lot of unregistered animagius [14:39] <cloudpic> But just a few... it's tough to do and dangerous, they said [14:39] <Pleshette> Oo good point Rudius [14:39] <Aislinn> just because someone is registered, doesn't mean that the general population would recognize them as an animagus [14:39] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [14:39] <JaneMarple9> is it possible that Lord Voldemort could be one? [14:39] <Pleshette> They wouldn't be known by everyone [14:39] <Aislinn> they could still use it to spy on others, or to gain access to certain locations [14:39] <cloudpic> The registration is public information [14:39] <RudiusHagrid> welll the publish the list but you'd have to go look it up [14:39] <cloudpic> But does the public list tell what they transform into? [14:40] <Narya> Possible that LV could be one, but not likely - the information is there for anyone to see [14:40] <RudiusHagrid> so possibly the animagus counts on the laziness of the general public [14:40] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it does. [14:40] <JaneMarple9> Ah might he be a unregistered animagus? [14:40] <Pleshette> LV uses possession. I don't think he's an animagu [14:40] <RudiusHagrid> but waht? a bat possibly? [14:40] <Pleshette> s [14:40] <MrMcGonagall> I think there are probably quite a few running around. [14:40] <harryfreak359> I agree pleshette [14:40] <Expelliarmas> *cough* snape is the bat [14:40] <Narya> He might, but that plot device has been used already for three characters [14:40] <RudiusHagrid> lol [14:40] <Pleshette> lol [14:40] <Poet> I'd say not about Voldemort. He lost his body for some time and he had parts of many animals in him before that [14:40] <harryfreak359> but if he was one he'd be a snale [14:40] <JaneMarple9> yessmile a bat sounds like Voldemort! [14:41] <harryfreak359> snake* [14:41] <RudiusHagrid> voldy would be a snake actually [14:41] <cloudpic> Bat sounds like Snape [14:41] <Pleshette> *cough* Snape the spider [14:41] <Poet> Perhaps a snake, hmmm [14:41] <Aislinn> yes, pleshette - spider fits [14:41] <JaneMarple9> Or he could be Nagini? [14:41] <RudiusHagrid> actullay i think the author has used the bat metaphor on snape before [14:41] <cloudpic> Oh...yes...ewwww. [14:41] <Overcast> Spinner's End [14:41] <Expelliarmas> In the 20th Century, there were only 7 registered Animagi. We know there were at least 3 more unregistered Animagi in Britain (Sirius, Pettigrew, and Skeeter). Why didn’t they register themselves with the Ministry? [14:41] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I think the list should be public, but i always have trouble remembering that they dont live in the united states and have the same rules as us. Are there any uk people here? [14:41] <Aislinn> yes, rudius, ever since the first book [14:42] <Narya> James was an Animagus too [14:42] <JaneMarple9> They didn't register because they wanted to have some fun? [14:42] <harryfreak359> Sirus and Peter were teenage boys...why would they? [14:42] *** hermeeownee has joined #lounge [14:42] <Aislinn> they were performing underage wizardry - would have gotten in terrible trouble [14:42] <cloudpic> they didn't register because they'd have gotten into trouble [14:42] <Overcast> The whole point was to acompany Lupin, why tell. [14:42] <harryfreak359> and Rita was using hers to get exclusive stories [14:42] <Pleshette> There are probably strict tests that have to be passed, DD would find out, ruin their fun [14:42] <MrMcGonagall> I think they thought it would be more useful to them personally if those in authority didn't know. [14:42] <madamnarcissamalfoy> anyway [14:42] <Theoriser> maybe you have to be a certain age [14:42] <RudiusHagrid> it would have defeated the purpouse of rita transforming [14:42] *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge [14:42] <Aislinn> and Skeeter probably found it very useful to spy on people and get the scoop [14:43] <cloudpic> Like apparating [14:43] <JaneMarple9> Thwey wanted to be good friends with Lupin and have some fun too [14:43] <Theoriser> and they didn't want to tell anyone because it wasn't legal? [14:43] <Expelliarmas> they were performing magic in Hogwarts and Hogsmeade, that shouldn't have been against the law? [14:43] <JaneMarple9> Hi Wronski [14:43] <wronskifeint> hi [14:43] <RudiusHagrid> hi [14:43] <Expelliarmas> Skeeter likely used her skills to cheat at school too [14:43] <Pleshette> Hi wronski [14:43] <Aislinn> probably expie [14:43] <RudiusHagrid> and to snoop [14:43] <Poet> Well the Mauraders exited the scene as young adults, so they never got the chance I think [14:43] <Overcast> hi [14:43] <Aislinn> Hi wronski [14:43] <harryfreak359> hi [14:43] <wronskifeint> i [14:43] <wronskifeint> *hi [14:43] <Poet> Sirius went off to Azkaban, James died, and Peter "died" [14:44] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Well, I think with rita, i appreciated her use of her animagus, but not pettigrews. I felt betrayed with his.lol. I guess jkr is really a great writer/author. [14:44] <RudiusHagrid> the marauders would not have wanted to tell [14:44] <MrMcGonagall> Has the Ministry been told that Peter is an animagus? Did DD tell Fudge the whole story? [14:44] <Aislinn> I think that the Maurauders would have found it useful at times to have their animagi ability during their Order days [14:44] <RudiusHagrid> they would have wanted to continue the fun after school [14:44] <Aislinn> and wouldn't have wanted it to be public knowledge [14:44] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i think the ministry knows... [14:44] <wronskifeint> no one knew about the mauraders... I mean, not even DD, right? Or am i being totally ignorant? [14:44] <Narya> I think the Ministry probably knows the whole story by this time [14:44] <wronskifeint> (i mean when they were in school) [14:45] <RudiusHagrid> dd only found out at the end of PoA [14:45] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [14:45] <Narya> Not even DD, no [14:45] <cloudpic> We don't know... but the Marauders don't think he knows [14:45] <wronskifeint> OK [14:45] <Expelliarmas> well, they only have to be registered not licensed, so they likely didn't care what the MoM wanted them to do [14:45] <MrMcGonagall> DD wouldn't have told them about Sirius at the time, though [14:45] <madamnarcissamalfoy> yeah, they didnt know before, but they pieced togethere storys [14:45] <cloudpic> Even adult Lupin doesn't think Dumbledore knows Sirius is an animagus [14:45] <Expelliarmas> DD had no idea until the end of PoA [14:45] <madamnarcissamalfoy> but dd does know [14:45] <wronskifeint> now, anyway [14:45] <cloudpic> ? [14:45] <RudiusHagrid> dd says he was suprised they could keep it a secret from him [14:46] <cloudpic> He says. [14:46] <Narya> Surprised, he says [14:46] <madamnarcissamalfoy> oh. wow. that makes me sad. [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, and without Pettigrew, there's no proof of Sirius' innocence. [14:46] <RudiusHagrid> i tend to believe it [14:46] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol [14:46] <madamnarcissamalfoy> sry [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> Well, time for me to run. Thanks for the great chat, everyone1 [14:47] <harryfreak359> bye [14:47] <RudiusHagrid> bye [14:47] <wronskifeint> tata [14:47] <Pleshette> Bye Mr.McG [14:47] <Poet> bye [14:47] <Expelliarmas> Crookshanks took an instant dislike to Pettigrew back in Diagon Alley. Why did Crookshanks accept Sirius in his dog form, but not Pettigrew? [14:47] <Aislinn> bye mr mcG [14:47] <madamnarcissamalfoy> laghing and noone knows why.lol [14:47] <cloudpic> Maybe Aberforth Dumbledore's animagus is a goat..... no, sorry, too random [14:47] <RudiusHagrid> BOOK says bye [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> bye [14:47] <Overcast> bye everyone, nice chatting with yo all! [14:47] <Overcast> *you [14:47] <wronskifeint> maybe crookshanks knew that he was mean [14:47] <Theoriser> I think because he's a kneasle, they're meant to be smart [14:47] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [14:47] <Pleshette> Sirius says thatCrookshanks could sense it [14:47] <Narya> Crookshanks sensed Sirius was who he claimed to be, not a threat to Harry [14:47] <wronskifeint> *i mean on the dark side, i couldn't think of the word [14:47] <JaneMarple9> Kneasles seem to know who to trust [14:47] <Aislinn> because Crookshanks is an excellent judge of character [14:47] <harryfreak359> Okay correct me if I am wrong [14:47] *** Overcast has quit [Bye] [14:47] <cloudpic> Crookshanks must have been able to "judge" evil [14:47] <JaneMarple9> and cats just don't get along with ratssmile [14:48] <RudiusHagrid> lol [14:48] <Pleshette> lol [14:48] <Expelliarmas> But it did take some effort on Sirius' part to get Crookshanks trust [14:48] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Crookshanks IS NOT AN ANIMAGUS< WHATEVER ANYBODY SAYS!!!!!lol. [14:48] <cloudpic> No, he's not. [14:48] <Pleshette> No he's not [14:48] <wronskifeint> but dogs and cats don't get along very well either, so Crookshanks must have known [14:48] <Poet> No capitals please [14:48] <Theoriser> kneasles don't trust people easily [14:48] <Pleshette> Lol, cloudpic [14:48] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Why? [14:48] <wronskifeint> that Sirius was a good... animal/person [14:48] <RudiusHagrid> it took sirius a while to convince crooks yes [14:48] <cloudpic> But he's a critter who knows much more than the average cat...being part kneazle [14:48] <harryfreak359> but, didn't Sirius say that he ahd a hard time getting crookshanks to trust him too? [14:48] <Poet> You're shouting when you use caps [14:48] <JaneMarple9> they don't usually get along with dogs either. Ron respects Crookshanks [14:48] <wronskifeint> Yes [14:48] <Narya> Sirius did say that, yes [14:49] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol. haha, i get it no online shouting.sry [14:49] <JaneMarple9> because he made Crookshanks smell Pigwidegeon to make sure he was safe [14:49] <RudiusHagrid> ummm cats seem only to get on with the person who ffeds them actually [14:49] <wronskifeint> :-) [14:49] <RudiusHagrid> feeds [14:49] <Expelliarmas> Is it necessary to use a wand to transform? [14:49] <cloudpic> But Crookshanks is much more than a cat... he's part magical creature [14:49] <RudiusHagrid> no [14:49] <JaneMarple9> That's normal cats! Kneasles are special smile [14:49] <wronskifeint> i don't think so, peter didn't have it and neither did sirius [14:49] <harryfreak359> I don't think so [14:49] <Narya> Not necessary, no [14:50] <Pleshette> I don't think so [14:50] <Aislinn> doesn't seem to be, based on PoA [14:50] <Expelliarmas> Sirius likely did not have his wand while in Azkaban. But what about Pettigrew? He had no reason to give his wand up. [14:50] <JaneMarple9> I wouldn't say so. Maybe there's a non-verbal spell? [14:50] <Pleshette> McGonagall doesnt use one I don't think [14:50] <madamnarcissamalfoy> crookshanks isnt an animagus, is he? why are we talking about him? [14:50] <RudiusHagrid> Krum needed a wand because hes not an animagus [14:50] <Theoriser> didn't peter dive for the wand so he could transform in the end of Poa? [14:50] <wronskifeint> is it a spell? [14:50] <RudiusHagrid> the others didnt [14:50] <Poet> Sirius didn't need to, so I would assume anyone who had some practice definitely would not need a wand [14:50] <Expelliarmas> it's definitely a spell of some sort [14:50] <cloudpic> His ability to shiff out Peter and talk to Sirius [14:50] <wronskifeint> well when they first do it they need it [14:50] <RudiusHagrid> no peter needed the wand to attack the others [14:50] <cloudpic> sniff [14:51] <Aislinn> if they did, it would be hard for them to transform back into a human smile [14:51] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hate peter!!!!!! [14:51] <wronskifeint> lol cloudpic [14:51] <Aislinn> I can't see a dog or a stag waving a wand [14:51] <Theoriser> I would say that generally you need a wand, but when sirius was in azkaban it was a special case [14:51] <Aislinn> or a fly [14:51] <harryfreak359> me either [14:51] <wronskifeint> lol ais [14:51] <Aislinn> sorry - beetle [14:51] <Theoriser> good point Aislinn [14:51] <madamnarcissamalfoy> yeah, that wouldnt be right [14:51] <harryfreak359> lol [14:51] <RudiusHagrid> bug definitely [14:51] <wronskifeint> rita would be squished... [14:52] <wronskifeint> urgh [14:52] <RudiusHagrid> such a pity then [14:52] <Pleshette> Have we talked about whether or not DD is an animagus? [14:52] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I kept wondering why she wasnt!!!! [14:52] <RudiusHagrid> yes in the beginning [14:52] <Poet> Yep, sorry [14:52] <Expelliarmas> yep, earlier in the chat Pleshette [14:52] <madamnarcissamalfoy> yes, but go ahead [14:52] <Expelliarmas> While in animagus form, does the Animagi retain his mental faculties? [14:52] <Pleshette> Ok, I missed it, sorry [14:52] * RudiusHagrid thinks he is - an owl [14:52] <Aislinn> me too pleshette smile [14:52] <harryfreak359> Yeah [14:52] <wronskifeint> i think so. [14:52] <Narya> I think they do, yes [14:52] <JaneMarple9> Rita might be helpful in book 7, finding out things for Harry about horcruxes [14:53] <RudiusHagrid> nah [14:53] <Pleshette> Owl? interesting Rudius [14:53] <RudiusHagrid> rita wont help [14:53] <Poet> Most mental abilitieis, but they seem to have simpler minds when transformed [14:53] <Theoriser> no, I don't think so [14:53] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I believe it gets both. [14:53] <Aislinn> it sounded like they retain most of their faculties, but do transform somewhat [14:53] <Theoriser> hasn't Jo said that they don't? [14:53] <JaneMarple9> I think they keep their mental faculties but also take on the animals charactists too [14:53] <wronskifeint> i thought she said that they do, somewhat [14:53] <Aislinn> Sirius talked about the dementors being confused by his simpler thoughts and feelings when he was a dog [14:53] <Expelliarmas> So Sirius' thoughts became more dog-like while transformed [14:53] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hmmm [14:53] <harryfreak359> I think they do....Sirius seems to at least [14:53] <Expelliarmas> ? [14:53] <Narya> More animal like, but also human [14:53] <RudiusHagrid> mcgonagall read a map as a cat in book 1 [14:54] <RudiusHagrid> so i think they keep their mental faculties [14:54] <madamnarcissamalfoy> YEah! [14:54] <wronskifeint> well yes, jane, and if you are transformed for a long time, the animal characteristics stick (ie, sirius, peter) [14:54] <harryfreak359> yeah Rudi, excellent point [14:54] <Expelliarmas> if you transform into a more complex animal, like a dolphin, same affect? [14:54] <Theoriser> you have the brain of that animal when you transform, so it probably depends on what you transform to [14:54] <Aislinn> peter certainly was able to understand that siriius had escaped, and formulate a plan to hide [14:54] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I think mcgonagal looks like a cat! [14:54] <wronskifeint> gotta go, bye [14:55] <harryfreak359> bye [14:55] <Pleshette> bye [14:55] <madamnarcissamalfoy> bye! [14:55] <JaneMarple9> she does...nobody else could look more like a cat! smile [14:55] <Aislinn> bye wronski [14:55] *** wronskifeint has quit [Bye] [14:55] <RudiusHagrid> i think you would find that the longer you stay transfomed the harder it becomes to distinguish between the two personality traits [14:55] <harryfreak359> I agree Rudi [14:55] <Pleshette> me too [14:55] <JaneMarple9> I agree Rudi... the animal characteristics sort of take over [14:56] <Expelliarmas> If you could become an Animagi, what form would your animagus take and why? [14:56] * madamnarcissamalfoy loves JaneMarple9 just cause of her name. has nothing to do with the fact she agreed with her. [14:56] <RudiusHagrid> well i think your menttal processes get stuck in a rut more like [14:56] <Expelliarmas> If you could become an Animagi, what form would your animagus take and why? [14:56] <Aislinn> Interesting question expie! [14:56] <Pleshette> I think that's what we see when Peter first changes from his rat form [14:56] <Aislinn> hmmmmmm [14:56] <JaneMarple9> smile mine would be a owl I think. Supposed to be wise [14:56] <RudiusHagrid> OWL [14:56] <Pleshette> He's still acting like a rat [14:56] <RudiusHagrid> silent flier [14:56] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i dont know [14:57] * harryfreak359 would hope that she would transform into a panther [14:57] <hermeeownee> I would be a cat. [14:57] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:57] <RudiusHagrid> yes pleshette i agree [14:57] <Aislinn> I think I'd be a big dog, like my buddies here [14:57] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:57] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I KNOW! (had a brain wave [14:57] <Narya> I'd be a cat, because cats are independent and intuitive [14:57] <Pleshette> I'd like to be an otter [14:57] <harryfreak359> I'd like to be a cat of some sort [14:57] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I would be a monkey! [14:57] <Pleshette> They're such cool animals [14:57] <Poet> I'd become a large fierce cat [14:57] <Theoriser> I'd be some sort of cat too [14:57] <RudiusHagrid> lol [14:57] <harryfreak359> like an panther [14:57] <harryfreak359> laugh [14:57] <cloudpic> I'd want to be something that wouldn't get shot, trapped, eaten or stomped! [14:58] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [14:58] <Expelliarmas> a dolphin for me [14:58] <Pleshette> Bye everyone! [14:58] <Aislinn> lol [14:58] <Aislinn> bye pleshette! [14:58] <JaneMarple9> Easily pleased Cloud! [14:58] <RudiusHagrid> backwards evolution madamnarcissamalfoy? [14:58] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:58] <madamnarcissamalfoy> yeah, not an ugly monkey, one of the cute little ones [14:58] <cloudpic> bye Pleshette [14:58] <harryfreak359> I've had more than one person say that I am like a cat [14:58] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol hagrid! [14:58] <Poet> Well, great chat. Hope you all have a nice evening! [14:58] <harryfreak359> kind of stand-offish [14:58] <harryfreak359> lol [14:58] <Aislinn> a cat is probably more apt for me as well smile [14:58] <madamnarcissamalfoy> bye! [14:58] <RudiusHagrid> awww... 5 more minutes?.... [14:59] <JaneMarple9> \me/ thinks cloudpic would be a butterfly [14:59] <madamnarcissamalfoy> til 3 [14:59] <harryfreak359> this was a great chat!!!! [14:59] <Poet> 30 seconds I think ;) [14:59] <cloudpic> Yes, good chat! See you all around the threads! [14:59] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i will be here at 7 [14:59] <Expelliarmas> Thanks very much for the great chat, see you guys tonight for the Scribbulus chat [14:59] <cloudpic> Bye [14:59] <Aislinn> there's another one in 4 hours [14:59] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [14:59] <harryfreak359> I'll be back for the Sribbulus chat as usual [14:59] <madamnarcissamalfoy> rockon! [14:59] <Narya> See you all later [14:59] <RudiusHagrid> yes but ill be asleep by then [14:59] <harryfreak359> bye guys [14:59] <JaneMarple9> Great chat! Be back for the PPP tomorrow [14:59] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [14:59] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol [14:59] <harryfreak359> see you in the kitchen Rudi [14:59] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:59] <RudiusHagrid> see ya [14:59] <Poet> bywe [15:00] <harryfreak359> bye [15:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:00] <Theoriser> bye everyone smile [15:00] <madamnarcissamalfoy> How do the people in times zones do this? [15:00] <Poet> Just hit the "X" in the above our names [15:00] <Poet> To exit. [15:00] <RudiusHagrid> its 8PM here [15:00] <Poet> Thanks for coming everyone. [15:00] <madamnarcissamalfoy> o, its 3 here. bye! [15:00] *** hermeeownee left #lounge [] [15:00] <Aislinn> see you all soon smile This post has been edited by Aislinn: Oct 20 2006, 05:52 PM |
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