Reading Group Chat Transcript: 9/30/06, Open Reading Group Discussion on PoA, Chapters 19 and 20 |
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Today’s Chat Moderators Were: Aislinn, Expelliarmas, futureweasly, Poet, SoonerGryffindor, and Theoriser
[12:58] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:58] *** Topic is: Reading Group open chat - The Formation of a Friendship! [12:58] *** Topic set by DorisTLC [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006] [12:58] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:59] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:59] <futureweasley> hi Ann [13:00] <Aislinn> Open Reading Group Discussion on PoA Chapters 19,20 [13:00] <Aislinn> Hi! [13:00] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:00] <Expelliarmas> hola [13:00] *** Poet has joined #lounge [13:00] <futureweasley> hi guys! [13:00] -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized. [13:00] *** cbm has joined #lounge [13:01] <Poet> hi [13:01] <futureweasley> hi cbm! [13:01] <cbm> Hi fw [13:01] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [13:01] <cbm> ? for [13:01] <futureweasley> I've been meaning to reply to your PM...I love the Stephen Fry version of PoA...I will respond to that later today, k? [13:02] <Aislinn> Dale is awesome too [13:02] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [13:02] <cbm> I was just going to ask you about that, np. I realy like listening. [13:02] *** Sofie has joined #lounge [13:02] *** LeakyLover167 has joined #lounge [13:02] <Poet> I've never heard the Stephen Fry version [13:02] <fawkes28> hello all smile [13:02] <Aislinn> Hi folks [13:02] <futureweasley> hi guys [13:02] <Sofie> evening all! smile [13:02] <fawkes28> how is everyone? [13:02] <futureweasley> cbm was kind enough to give me a copy when I met him in NYC! It's awesome! [13:02] <cbm> Fry us the uk version I picked it up last year in london [13:02] <Sofie> oh, im fine, thanks smile [13:02] <Poet> Nice [13:03] <Aislinn> fine and you? [13:03] <futureweasley> I'm good...how are you fawkes? [13:03] <LeakyLover167> hi everyone [13:03] <fawkes28> good smile [13:03] <Aislinn> hi leaky [13:03] <futureweasley> I'm still trying to assess how I did on my WOMBATS [13:03] <futureweasley> not so good, I think [13:03] *** Inkreader13 has joined #lounge [13:03] <fawkes28> me too [13:03] <futureweasley> hi inkreader [13:03] <Sofie> me too [13:03] <Poet> I wish I could have met more people in NYC. It was so hectic. So many people, expecially at the readings...6000. [13:03] <Inkreader13> i [13:03] <LeakyLover167> same here [13:04] <cbm> I would be extremely happy with an A [13:04] <Inkreader13> *hi [13:04] <Expelliarmas> so long as I don't get a "T", I'm happy [13:04] <Aislinn> me too, cbm! [13:04] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [13:04] <fawkes28> me to, poet [13:04] <Aislinn> well, not really - I'm a complete Hermione biggrin [13:04] <futureweasley> at this point, that's all I can hope for [13:04] <LeakyLover167> yeah i'd be happy with an A [13:04] *** Sofie has quit [Bye] [13:04] <Inkreader13> I hope I get an A. All my answers felt wrong [13:04] <Gryffinclaw> Hi guys [13:04] <futureweasley> I think I really blew a couple of those T or F questions [13:04] <Inkreader13> hey [13:04] <Aislinn> I got EE last time, and was disappointed [13:04] <futureweasley> hi gryffinclaw [13:04] <fawkes28> hello [13:04] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:05] <Gryffinclaw> are we discussing the wombat? [13:05] <futureweasley> wb sooner [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> hey guys [13:05] <Aislinn> yay! you made it sooner [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> woot [13:05] <futureweasley> for a moment, we are [13:05] <LeakyLover167> i didn't get to take the first test so.....was this one harder or easier than the first [13:05] <futureweasley> no woots [13:05] <Aislinn> yes gryff [13:05] <fawkes28> smile [13:05] <futureweasley> hey, hey [13:05] <Expelliarmas> harder [13:05] <cbm> HARDER [13:05] <Poet> I think I did well. I wasn't able to get my scores from the first exam, probably because I delete my cookies and cache too often [13:05] <Inkreader13> I found the first test easy [13:05] *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge [13:05] *** wronskifeint has quit [Bye] [13:05] <futureweasley> the first test was easier [13:05] <Gryffinclaw> It was hard [13:05] <Gryffinclaw> defo [13:05] <futureweasley> this one was a lot of "educated quessing" [13:05] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [13:05] <Aislinn> you didn't save your code anywhere poet? [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I never got to take the first test, so I have no prior experience [13:06] <fawkes28> me either [13:06] <Aislinn> I saved mine in my control panel here [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> but this one was hard, yet fun [13:06] <LeakyLover167> it seemed very opinionated [13:06] <Poet> I did. It just wouldn't work. [13:06] <futureweasley> lol Aislinn...our little Hermione [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:06] <Expelliarmas> ok, Aislinn, it's official ... you're Hermione [13:06] <futureweasley> very objective [13:06] <cbm> Great idea on the control panel! [13:06] <fawkes28> i haven't taken a test in a long time i forgot what it felt like [13:06] <LeakyLover167> i liked the question about what we would have if we were in danger [13:06] <Aislinn> its a handy place to keep it! smile [13:06] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> some of the questions were so funny [13:07] <Aislinn> that one was very thought provoking leaky! [13:07] <futureweasley> I hadn't thought of that...I printed out my ID card and stored it in my roladex...then I wrote the ID number on sticky notes and glued them to every computer I use regularly [13:07] <Gryffinclaw> Like the last one sooner [13:07] <Poet> Yes, muggles are interesting...irritating... [13:07] <futureweasley> just in case...you know [13:07] <fawkes28> lol, future [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Expie thinks that Percy did all of the surveys *gigglesnort* [13:07] <Inkreader13> I have mine in my wallet on top of my ID [13:08] <Expelliarmas> well, isn't it likely Weatherbee did it? [13:08] <Poet> I saved mine as a screenshot [13:08] <futureweasley> more than likely...that seems like a certainty Expie and Sooner [13:08] <Gryffinclaw> I just saved mine to a document on my computer [13:08] <Inkreader13> lol Sooner [13:08] <cbm> I saved mine to word doc, but I like the idea of the control panel better [13:09] <Gryffinclaw> Ahh but saving it in the control panel means someone could steal it from you [13:09] <LeakyLover167> i have my code on the first page of HBP [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:09] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [13:09] <fawkes28> oh, last night i dreamt i was chatting on the lounge with you all...how sad am i??? [13:10] <Gryffinclaw> Whar would madam pince say LeakyLover? [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> not sad, that is a happy dream [13:10] <Aislinn> gryff - other people can't get at your control panel [13:10] <futureweasley> I want our prize to be a title for book 7 [13:10] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [13:10] <LeakyLover167> yeah that would be cool [13:10] <futureweasley> surely, she's got it decided by now!! [13:10] <Expelliarmas> Pince would be inconsolable and very irate [13:10] <cbm> I put it in the personal note pad, I would hope that is private [13:10] <Inkreader13> I love having Harry Potter dreams [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a marvelous idea future! [13:10] *** Ravendor has joined #lounge [13:10] <Poet> Last time we had the book title at Christmas. I think it's too early for the book title, sadly. [13:10] <LeakyLover167> like if you got an O you got the title, or part of the title [13:10] <Aislinn> hi ravendor [13:10] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome ravendor [13:10] <Ravendor> hey, everyone [13:10] <fawkes28> it shows i how much time i spend here lol [13:10] <futureweasley> hi ravendor [13:11] <Aislinn> lol fawkes [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> wb gryffinclaw [13:11] <Aislinn> I've had those types of dreams as well [13:11] <futureweasley> me too, fawkes... [13:11] * futureweasley lives in the Corner Booth [13:11] <Poet> I don't think she'll give us the title till the book is complete. She doesn't want to jinx herself. [13:11] <becky920> Sometimes I dream I'm playing Quidditch. [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> lol becky [13:11] <fawkes28> at least no one was argung in the corner booth in my dream so i guess it was a bit unrealistic smile [13:11] <becky920> It just sounds like so much fun! [13:11] <Poet> I dreamt I was at an HP conference last night [13:11] <becky920> lol [13:11] <futureweasley> I dream about meals in the Great Hall...I think that happens when I got to bed with no dinner [13:11] <Ravendor> lol [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:12] <becky920> Oh, poor future... that treacle tart does sound good, doesn't it? [13:12] <futureweasley> Poet...that will become a reality come August!! [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [13:12] <fawkes28> it will be so much fun smile [13:12] <Inkreader13> before HBP came out I had a dream I was at this volleyball thing and everyone got into a circle at this hotel and a ghost told us that Dumbledore was the Half-Blood Prince [13:12] <Ravendor> lol [13:12] <becky920> lol [13:13] <Poet> That ghost was soooo wrong. smile [13:13] <fawkes28> i told prophecy i was interested in playing quidditch...i figured why not? [13:13] <Inkreader13> I know. I got all excited and told all my friends that I thought he was the HBP. [13:13] <futureweasley> I will be in the cheering section, fawkes! [13:13] <Inkreader13> I can't wait for Prophecy! [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant wait either!! w00t2 [13:13] <Inkreader13> lol [13:13] *** Segonku has joined #lounge [13:13] <futureweasley> me either...tons of us are going...and it's going to be a riot! [13:14] <fawkes28> yay! [13:14] <becky920> I kind of figured it was Voldy, before I read the book [13:14] <cbm> I thought the HBP would be a new character, just like the POA [13:14] <futureweasley> we have many plans [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome segonku [13:14] <futureweasley> cbm, going to Prophecy? [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> evile lans [13:14] <LeakyLover167> i thought it would be hagrid at first [13:14] <futureweasley> hi segonku? [13:14] <cbm> no [13:14] <futureweasley> ! [13:14] <Segonku> Hi FW [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:14] <futureweasley> oh, you should rethink that, cbm! it's going to be great fun! [13:14] <fawkes28> we can actually eat and drink together instead of pretending too in the lounges! [13:15] <futureweasley> which will rock! [13:15] <futureweasley> except, I'm not cooking [13:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [13:15] <cbm> NY, was probably a 1 time thing. I just wanted to see JK [13:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [13:15] <Poet> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Poet got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:15] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:15] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. And - for the benefit of our non-English speakers (and those that read the transcript later) please try to use standard, complete English words when typing. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:16] <Aislinn> After using his big ears to eavesdrop on Lupin’s explanation of his furry condition and what he and the Marauders got up to when they were at Hogwarts, Snape barges in, ready to play big man on campus by arresting Sirius and Lupin. Snape has a mad glint in his eyes (anybody concerned?). [13:16] <Aislinn> Snape ties up Lupin, refuses to hear any explanations about Pettigrew, and ... the trio sic him with Expelliarmus! All is sort of revealed. Sirius switched Peter as Secret-Keeper. Peter betrayed the Potters. Peter is revealed as the rat Scabbers. Peter begs for his life. Sirius and Lupin are ready to dispatch him, and Harry steps in and prevents it. [13:16] <Aislinn> The group returns from the Shrieking Shack. Sirius is free and has proof of his innocence. Harry gets his wish–the chance to leave the Dursleys forever. They emerge from the tunnel and make their way along the darkened grounds. A cloud shifts, revealing the full moon. Lupin did not take his potion. Lupin becomes a werewolf, Sirius transforms to keep Lupin away. [13:16] <Aislinn> Pettigrew transforms and escapes. Sirius chases him toward the lake. Harry and Hermione follow. They find Sirius with about 100 dementors making their way toward him. Harry tries to teach Hermione a Patronus charm, but under that pressure, she just can’t come up with a happy enough thought. Neither does Harry as he only manages a feeble patronus. [13:16] *** clarkwuf has joined #lounge [13:16] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [13:16] <Aislinn> Sirius and Hermione fall to the dementors. Before Harry goes down, a dementor reaches for him. It pulls Harry’s head toward it and inches toward the final, soul-sucking kiss. Before his fate can be sealed with a putrid kiss, a horse-like patronus chases off the dementors. For a moment, Harry thinks he sees someone he knows. Down he goes. [13:17] <Aislinn> Are you up to speed? Good. Let’s chat about chapters 19 and 20 of Prisoner of Azkaban! [13:17] <Aislinn> Why did Snape choose not to even listen to either Lupin or the trio when they tried to get him to let Lupin and Sirius finish explaining about Peter? [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> *hehehe* [13:17] <futureweasley> that question is just begging me to Snape-slam [13:17] <futureweasley> but I digress [13:17] <Aislinn> That's why its there, FW biggrin [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Expie and I have actually been arguing this in Room 11 [13:18] <Expelliarmas> not yet, FW! let me. [13:18] <Inkreader13> Because Snape still hated them for the way he was treated at school. He thought they should get something back for treating him so badly [13:18] <fawkes28> innocent before proven guilty...he doesn't understand that concept [13:18] <cbm> hate? Anger? Idiocy? [13:18] <Poet> He was greedy and hungry for revenge. [13:18] <cbm> I forgot revenge [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> He and Harry are both alike [13:18] <cbm> Huh? [13:18] <Expelliarmas> blinded by the need to take revenge. [13:18] <Aislinn> I think he was so set on his own agenda, he wasn't willing to listen to reason [13:18] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [13:18] *** DMD has joined #lounge [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> the refuse to believe anything good out of someone they have taken a disliking to [13:18] <futureweasley> he is suspicious...when you are pointing a finger, you have 3 more pointing back at you [13:18] <fawkes28> wb, gryff hi DMD! [13:18] <Aislinn> wow - I SO disagree with you sooner [13:18] <Poet> Yes, Harry was having trouble listening as well, unlike Harry in the movie it took quite awhile for him to shut up and listen [13:18] <DMD> Hey guys, dropped by for just a minute [13:18] <Gryffinclaw> hi guys [13:19] <futureweasley> hi DMD [13:19] <fawkes28> he wanted sirius to be guilty [13:19] <cbm> But Harry was able to listen, Snape never would of. [13:19] <Aislinn> Harry was great at listening in this chapter [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape has Maurader blinders on, the same way Harry was Snape blinders on [13:19] <Segonku> hi DMD [13:19] <becky920> I think he was waiting until he could make a dramatic entrance [13:19] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah I agree [13:19] <Aislinn> Snape was too busy thinking about the acclaim he would recieve, as well as the revenge he would take on the Maurauders [13:19] <becky920> He only heard as much as he wanted to hear, then he tried to pull off a Sherlock Holmes, "The Jig is Up!" kind of thing [13:19] <fawkes28> yes, becky, he was in his glory and no one was going to ruin it [13:19] <LeakyLover167> i think he had his mind set on what he was going to do, and nothing was going to get in his way [13:19] <Aislinn> he was positively salivating [13:19] <futureweasley> he is definitely not shy about his stance on wanting "glory"...no matter where it comes from [13:20] <Expelliarmas> Glory and vengeance. Music to Snape's ears. [13:20] <Ravendor> yep [13:20] <cbm> Or was did he show himself to prevent thme from talking about post Hogwarts were the True secret keeper would be mentioned? [13:20] <futureweasley> hence his inability to choose a party in which to be loyal...he likes to keep his "kudos" options open [13:20] <becky920> Well, I think he knew it was Peter anyway. [13:20] <cbm> sorry for the poor spelling [13:20] <Gryffinclaw> Intresting CBM never thought of that [13:20] <Expelliarmas> no, cmb, he had a mad glint to his eye and was quite deranged; he was eager to take the moment [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I also believe that he was frustrated because he was dong his best to keep Harry safe all year and Harry ends up in the same room with the man they all thought was trying t o kill him in the first place [13:21] <Aislinn> I don't think he gave one hoot about that sooner [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I do [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [13:21] <Gryffinclaw> He hadn't prtected Harry that year [13:21] <futureweasley> sooner, the ever Snape optimist [13:21] <Inkreader13> He had his mind set and nothing could change it [13:21] <Gryffinclaw> *Protected* [13:21] <cbm> I am undecided on this question just thought I would throw it out there. [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> oh yeah, he was always underfoot trying to figure out what Harry was doing [13:21] <Expelliarmas> Snape cares more about his agenda. He's not out to protect t Harry. [13:21] <Poet> No, I don't htink he knew it was Peter. He was quite convinced it was Sirius. I think he was nearly as upset as Harry that the Potters (or a certain Potter) had been killed. [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> he does that in every book, IMO [13:21] <Aislinn> to get him in trouble, not to protect him [13:21] <Gryffinclaw> yeah because he wanted to get Harry in trouble [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> nope [13:21] <becky920> He wanted to get Harry in trouble all year, I think -- not so much protect him [13:22] <Gryffinclaw> yep [13:22] <Ravendor> yeah [13:22] <fawkes28> no i think he was out to protect harry because he wants to get rid of that life debt [13:22] <cbm> I don't see him being upset about james dying [13:22] <Aislinn> he thinks Harry is a rule breaker and dshould be punished for it, and does what he can to try to make that happen [13:22] <futureweasley> I guess if Harry's in trouble and in detention, he's got less opportunity to "create trouble" elsewhere [13:22] <cbm> maybe lily [13:22] <Aislinn> that's not about protection [13:22] <Gryffinclaw> He got shut of the life debt in PS/SS [13:22] <Ravendor> yeah [13:22] <becky920> But Sirius tells them in this scene that all the death eaters in Azkaban know the secret keeper is Peter. [13:22] <becky920> So I think Snape did know. [13:22] <fawkes28> but we wont be able to know if he really was trying to protect harry until we read book 7 [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, Snape didnt know [13:22] <Gryffinclaw> He even said to the trio that they were going to get expelled [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> true fawkes [13:23] <Expelliarmas> oh, becky, I hadn't thought of that. [13:23] <Aislinn> right gryff [13:23] <DMD> I thought he was thrilled to have it all...sirius, lupin helping, and the trio all where they weren't supposed to be. Pardon the pun but trapped like rats! [13:23] <Expelliarmas> lol, DMD [13:23] <Aislinn> yes, dmd, exactly [13:23] <Gryffinclaw> lol DMD [13:23] <Ravendor> yep [13:23] <futureweasley> lol DMD...very true [13:23] <futureweasley> Aislinn's right...he was just salivating [13:23] <becky920> Like I said, the jig is up! [13:23] <Aislinn> Snape says to Lupin "I will be quite interested to see how Dumbledore takes this - he was quite convinced you were harmless..." Why would he have been so interested in Dumbledore's reaction? [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the end of this book, because we get to see Snape become a little unhinged [13:23] <fawkes28> snape really wasnt as concerned with harry being there, he just brushed him off. the big reward was sirius and lupin helping him [13:23] <Poet> Death Eaters were screaming for revenge against Peter, yes, but I don't think all of them knew. Maybe a few told the others.... I'd thought about that as well, but Voldemort is usually careful to not let all DE know who the others are. [13:24] <fawkes28> because he snape wanted to prove dumbledore wrong and snape wanted to be right [13:24] <Poet> Dumbledore had sort of shut Snape up a couple times at least about Lupin. [13:24] <Inkreader13> Because Dumbledore is always seen as right and all knowing and he wanted to prove him wrong [13:24] <futureweasley> he wanted to still be seen as DD's "go-to man" [13:24] *** Narya has joined #lounge [13:24] <Expelliarmas> Snape wanted to throw in DD's face the fact that he, Snape, was right afte all. [13:24] <Ravendor> exactly [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Snape has always wanted DD's approval since he switched back sides [13:24] <Ravendor> he wanted the glory [13:24] <Ravendor> recognition [13:24] <Gryffinclaw> In my opinion Snape has had DD's approval [13:25] <Poet> Yes, I agree SoonerGryffindor , he's hungry for approval [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that's another reason Snape is jealous of Harry [13:25] <Aislinn> I don't think its about approval as much as it is demanding recognition - "See? I told you so, Albus!" [13:25] <DMD> he needed to prove that he's been right since they were all in school.. aleopard never changes his spots [13:25] <cbm> But if he was Dumbledore's man, why did he try to expose the secret of lupin? [13:25] <Gryffinclaw> What is it Sooner? [13:25] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [13:25] <Aislinn> hey debbie [13:25] <fawkes28> DD can be considered a father-figure to Snape and he wants to be his "best child" when lupin came along snape felt threatened [13:25] <Segonku> Snape wants to rub it in DD's face [13:25] <fawkes28> hi debbie [13:25] <Ravendor> hey, debbie [13:25] <DMD> hi debbie [13:25] <DumbleDebbie> hiya smile [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Debbie [13:26] <Gryffinclaw> Intresting way of phrasing your thoughts fawkes [13:26] <becky920> He's a drama queen. When he didn't get the trio expelled and Sirius escaped, exposing Lupin was the next best thing. [13:26] <DumbleDebbie> hi Sooner [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> and Snape is still carrying around the whole whomping willow incident [13:26] <Poet> Yes he is [13:26] <Gryffinclaw> Definately Becky definately [13:26] <DumbleDebbie> hey everyone [13:26] <Poet> hello [13:26] <Aislinn> right, Sooner, as Lupin says, He can't let go of a childhood grudge [13:26] <DMD> he wants to be vindicated [13:26] <Gryffinclaw> When Sirius tricked him into going for Lupin? [13:26] <Narya> Makes me wonder why he has to cling on to resentment so long, when Remus calls him a fool [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with fawkes on the father-image [13:27] <becky920> It was pretty immature of Snape, IMO. [13:27] <fawkes28> well, snape was almost killed [13:27] <cbm> But that was the second time he tried, and it was directly against Dumbedore's orders [13:27] <Expelliarmas> Still think he wanted to have an "I told you so" moment with DD. [13:27] <Aislinn> needs to let go and grow up [13:27] <fawkes28> who can blame him for being angry [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, I would still be mad as well [13:27] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [13:27] <Narya> Why? [13:27] <Aislinn> no, he was potentially in a dangerous situation - never actually attacked [13:27] *** AzraelSmurfCatcher has joined #lounge [13:27] <DumbleDebbie> hey Mr McG [13:27] <DMD> hey Mr McG [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Mr M! [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, y'all! [13:27] <Gryffinclaw> It's his ault for being so nosey. He didn't have to go after Lupin [13:27] <Expelliarmas> why did Snape go snooping around? Hasn't changed much, has he? [13:27] <Ravendor> hey, Mr. M [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [13:27] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [13:27] <Poet> Yes, especially since none of the Maruaders were expelled for trying to "kill" Snape while they were students. [13:27] <Gryffinclaw> *fault* [13:27] <Aislinn> he needs to grow up and let it go [13:27] <fawkes28> but if james didn't stop him, he could have been killed [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> its because he was looking out for Harry [13:28] <Narya> Snape has never grown up - that's his problem [13:28] * Expelliarmas lives to entertain SoonerGryffindor [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:28] <Ravendor> exactly, Narya [13:28] <becky920> Snape's only looking out for himself, Sooner [13:28] <Gryffinclaw> Defo [13:28] <DumbleDebbie> lets the Snape games begin [13:28] <Ravendor> I agree, becky [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Becky [13:28] <cbm> But he did not know Harry was there, until he got to the shack [13:28] <Aislinn> exactly becky [13:28] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [13:28] * Poet cheers on Expelliarmus and SoonerGryffindor [13:28] <Expelliarmas> not a chance he was looking out for Harry; looking out for himself, mor elike. [13:28] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hey future weas [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> but his own interest is n keeping Hary alive and well [13:28] <cbm> He only knew Lupin was there [13:28] <Narya> Snape has always put himself first [13:28] <Gryffinclaw> Not really sooner [13:28] <Narya> Harry second [13:28] <futureweasley> sorry guys, the lag got me [13:28] <DumbleDebbie> hey future [13:28] <fawkes28> i think he was looking out for harry he had been doing it all year why stop? [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> thank you fawkes [13:28] <becky920> Is it really? That's not what he said. He said he saw Lupin on the map. I think he saw a chance to get Lupin in trouble. [13:29] <Aislinn> Snape is described as being deranged and having a mad glint in his eyes. Why was he so overwrought? [13:29] <Gryffinclaw> Looking out for Harry - so he could get him in trouble [13:29] <Expelliarmas> Well, he's unhinged in this chapter, isn't he? [13:29] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [13:29] <Narya> Full of malice, I think - determined to get his way at last [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's the chance to finally triumph over the Marauders. [13:29] *** clarkwuf has quit [Bye] [13:29] <DumbleDebbie> too much inbreeding? [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> because he totally loses it when it comes to anything Maurader related [13:29] <DumbleDebbie> ;) [13:29] <cbm> Maybe Lupin thought he was going to have a full transformation and was going somewhere safe [13:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> LOL [13:29] <futureweasley> because he's nutters [13:29] <becky920> lol, debbie! [13:29] <Aislinn> yes, becky - he referred to seeing Lupin. He wouldn't have seen the kids at that point [13:29] <Gryffinclaw> or Harry related Sooner [13:29] <Expelliarmas> lol, DumbleDebbie [13:29] <LeakyLover167> he's obsessed with getting revenge [13:29] <fawkes28> he has so much anger from the past [13:29] <Inkreader13> He was overwrought because he thought that this was his chance to be in the spotlight, to be with the crowd and have people look up to him [13:29] <LeakyLover167> he's letting all his anger out now [13:29] <futureweasley> that's a better explanation, fawkes...I'll go with that [13:30] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Yes I agree with Ink [13:30] <Expelliarmas> he was not looking out for the kids; for Lupin just like when they were kids. He finally caught the Marauders. Vengeance was his. [13:30] <Narya> I think he was totally overwrought because he couldn't see beyond his resentment to the truth [13:30] <becky920> I don't think it's so much anger as the chance for one-upmanship [13:30] <DumbleDebbie> wouldn't it be odd for a double/triple spy to want to be in the spotlight? [13:30] <becky920> He saw a chance to get the famed Marauders in deep poopy. [13:30] <futureweasley> seeing Harry with Sirius and Lupin might have taken him back in his mind to days when he didn't have the upper hand... [13:30] <Aislinn> exactly expie [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> like I said before, he has Maurader blinders on all the time [13:30] <DumbleDebbie> wouldn't he rather work from the shadows? [13:30] <Gryffinclaw> He wasjust jealous of the maurauders and the trio in my opinion [13:30] <DMD> there is only Snape truth, to him [13:30] <fawkes28> because he is actually in a position of power now...it used to be 4 against 1 [13:30] <futureweasley> it was like seeing a ghost from his past [13:30] <Narya> Or ... he could see the truth but just didn't want to admit it, which is much more likely [13:30] <becky920> He would, but he's a drama queen, debbie [13:30] <Aislinn> it would have worked for him debbie, as he knew sirius wasn't guilty [13:30] <Poet> If Ron and Draco ever taught at Hogwarts together, wouldn't either be thrilled to oust the other? [13:31] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Snape in my opinion does want some attention [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> I think he works in the shadows because he has to. [13:31] <Aislinn> so it would have looked good to both sides for him to take in Black and Lupin [13:31] <Inkreader13> sure he was angery, but he wanted to say "hey look! I did this!" [13:31] <Ravendor> yep [13:31] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [13:31] <DMD> attention??? he feels totally overlooked! [13:31] <Poet> I agree. [13:31] <Expelliarmas> Snape doesn't want attention ... he craves his chance to be the big man. [13:31] <fawkes28> yes, it would have looked but but i think he personally needed to do it to overcome his past [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> well, lets face it.... I'm sure the mauraders always got the best of him in school [13:31] <futureweasley> this was his time for revenge...and he wanted to taste it's sweetness [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> this was his chance to shine [13:31] <fawkes28> yes, sooner [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> He was the one who had such a bad rep as a student - immersed in the Dark Arts, nobody's friend. [13:31] <Ravendor> yeah [13:31] <futureweasley> right Sooner...I agree [13:31] *** LeakyLover167 left #lounge [] [13:31] <Narya> Snape gave as good as he got, though [13:31] <Aislinn> revenge - exactly [13:31] <DumbleDebbie> yeah Sooner, they weren't exactly kind to him [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> All of a sudden the tables are turned. [13:32] <Expelliarmas> nor was he kind to them [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> not revenge so much as vindication? [13:32] <Ravendor> he has them at his mercy [13:32] <Aislinn> nope - revenge [13:32] <Narya> Was Snape ever kind to the Marauders, though? [13:32] <Poet> Right MrMcGonagall , to hsow that it was he who was the good guy, not these imposters.. [13:32] <Gryffinclaw> He has been put down all his life - whether from his Dad, the maurauders, maybe LV or the DE [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> he was convinced they were bad eggs the whole time and now is his chance to prove t [13:32] <futureweasley> they say that Revenge is best served cold...Snape is so angry that revenge will never work for him...it's still white-hot [13:32] <cbm> I think REVENGE [13:32] <becky920> I think he wanted to outsmart them [13:32] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> OH yes sooner [13:32] <becky920> Beat them at the own game [13:32] <fawkes28> oh definitely [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, he's been working for the good side, but how many people around him think he's really, well, good? [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Mr M [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Us, for example [13:33] <cbm> Not very many [13:33] <Poet> Very few. *nods* [13:33] * Gryffinclaw Gryffinclaw cries out in amazement as he actually feels sympathetic to Snape for once [13:33] <Expelliarmas> poor Snape, so hard done by the world; he never let's that go, does he? [13:33] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Not too many, eh? [13:33] <Narya> There's no proof that he's on the side of good - yet [13:33] <futureweasley> some people trust their instincts... [13:33] <cbm> I would never call Snape good [13:33] <Segonku> DD let Lupin into school, do you think snape wants revenge on DD? [13:33] <Aislinn> nope, he never does expie [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> not good, but not evei [13:33] <futureweasley> because, generally, instincts don't steer you wrong [13:33] <Poet> (whispers) I believe in Snape, I do believe in Snape. [13:33] <fawkes28> yes, but that doesn't necessarily make him evil [13:33] <Narya> Snape will never be good because his heart is too dark [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Poet [13:33] <DumbleDebbie> I think he could be working for the good side without being 'good' [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, no, I'm future baiting again! [13:33] <Ravendor> yes, Narya [13:33] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> me either he's mean and creul not matter what [13:33] <DMD> not revenge on DD, just to prove him wrong [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [13:33] <fawkes28> well look at what happened to him no wonder he can never be pure [13:33] * futureweasley zips her lips [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:34] <cbm> JK calls him "a deeply horrible person". Who am I to argue. [13:34] <Aislinn> If the trio had not stopped Snape, do you think he would have followed through on his threat to bring Black and Lupin straight to the Dementors? Why or why not? [13:34] <Poet> Snape is a vile, terrible person, but I do think he's ultimately on the side of the right. [13:34] <DumbleDebbie> Neville's picked on a lot and he's not a vindictive wreck [13:34] <futureweasley> thank you cbm [13:34] <Narya> JKR also calls him "sadistic" - very revealing [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think so. [13:34] <Expelliarmas> Oh yes, he would have seen them kissed [13:34] <cbm> I missed that quote [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he would have [13:34] <Ravendor> I think so [13:34] <Gryffinclaw> he would have enjoyed it as well [13:34] <Narya> I think he would have given Sirius to the Dementors no matter what [13:34] <Poet> If Snape had stayed angry and found them soon enough, yes I think so. [13:34] <DumbleDebbie> yep, soul sucking x2 [13:34] <DMD> of course he would have....he would have been beating them using the system...nothing better [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> And enjoyed watching it. [13:34] <cbm> Yes, he would of [13:34] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hmmm yes I think so because he is cold hearted and wanted to finally show that he contoled them [13:34] <fawkes28> i think he would have followed through but i think something else would have stopped them for storyline purposes [13:34] <Inkreader13> I think he would have because at the time he believed that they were working together [13:35] <Aislinn> I agree - he was positively rubbing his hands together thinking of it [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> and I think he would have thought he was doing the right thing as well [13:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> *controled not contoled [13:35] <DMD> oh sooner [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder how he would have dealt with the three witnesses to what happened in the Shack. [13:35] <Inkreader13> I also think he would have second thoughts after [13:35] <Ravendor> lol [13:35] <Expelliarmas> that's the worst of it, Sooner, he would have thought he was doing the right thing [13:35] <Aislinn> and he would have been completely wrong and as bad as a murderer for doing so , sooner [13:35] <futureweasley> of course he would have...he would have smashed the opposition to smitherines [13:35] <Narya> So what does that say for Snape? He's willing to wish the ultimate destruction on a peer, without even hearing the truth? [13:35] <fawkes28> but if the situation was reversed, they would have done the same thing to snape [13:35] <DumbleDebbie> Sooner, Jo must've been talking to you 'you never give up, you lot, do you' ;) [13:35] <cbm> but it was decided that Sirius should be Kissed, what made Snape think that it was his right to decide for Remus [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> in his mind, he was seeing a mass-murderer get punished [13:35] <Narya> In his mind, he was seeing what he wanted to see [13:35] <Aislinn> which is one of the really bad things about him not being able to let go of his immature schooll boy grudge [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think they would have done the same thing to Snape. [13:36] <futureweasley> his two biggest nay-sayers would be on the ropes, and out of his way [13:36] <fawkes28> yes, sooner! [13:36] <Aislinn> no, fawkes, they wouldn't havae [13:36] <Expelliarmas> no, they wouldn't fawkes. one thing is to play a joke, another thing altogether to kill an innocent man [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> and an accomplice to the "crime" [13:36] <DMD> not you too fawkes! [13:36] <Inkreader13> He was too angrey to listen to anyone, no matter if they were telling the truth or not [13:36] <Poet> Of course later in Book 4, we don't see that same sort of reaction from Snape towards Barty Crouch. He lets the Ministry deal with him. Snape is certainly letting his emotions get the best of him here. [13:36] <Aislinn> that was made plain by what happened to Peter [13:36] <fawkes28> i think they would have if they thought that snape was a mass murderer [13:36] <Narya> Snape would never have listened - he just didn't want to [13:36] <Aislinn> no way [13:36] <futureweasley> it was made plain, but Snape wasn't conscious to see that [13:36] <Narya> He was too focused on getting his own way - and at what a price [13:36] <fawkes28> look they were going to kill peter, so why not snape too?? [13:36] <Ravendor> yep [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> but look at it from Snape's POV -- he thought Siirus was a mass-murdere, betrayer of James and Lily and he thought Lupin was helping him [13:36] <Aislinn> right narya [13:37] <Narya> Having an innocent man kissed by the Dementors [13:37] <becky920> He hears what he wants to hear [13:37] <Aislinn> but they didn't did they fawkes [13:37] <Poet> Even Sirius and Lupin were willing to kill Peter right then and there without taking him to the dementors or anyone else [13:37] <Narya> Says a lot for Snape [13:37] <futureweasley> yes he does Becky [13:37] <fawkes28> because of harry [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> They don't like Snape, but they were hardly going to hand him over to smooch a dementor. [13:37] <cbm> But Harry was able to to talk them out of it. Who could of talked snape out of it? [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> he thought he was guilty at the time [13:37] <Expelliarmas> Snape overheard enough, however, which should have clued him in that something else was going on. [13:37] <Narya> I don't believe that [13:37] *** Segonku left #lounge [] [13:37] <Inkreader13> do you think Snape wanted them dead because of what he thought they did to lilly and james and peter? [13:37] <Narya> I think he knew the truth [13:37] <futureweasley> no one cbm...maybe Petunia [13:37] <futureweasley> lol [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink that was part of it Inkreader [13:37] <DMD> lol [13:37] <Aislinn> he wanted to believe it sooner [13:37] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> There's a quote out there about how the evil never see what they're doing as evil but instead as good and mistake it for good Maybe this is how Snape's mind entirely opperates like he thinks he's never wrong [13:37] <becky920> No, but I don't think he thought they did that to them [13:37] <DumbleDebbie> I think he wanted them dead for what they did to him [13:38] <Narya> I think Snape wanted them dead or punished because he wanted it, not for anyone else [13:38] <Poet> When Snape talks to Fudge later he seems very convinced Sirius was guilty [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> I think you're right, Azrael. [13:38] <Expelliarmas> Snape's head is siriously miswired. [13:38] <DMD> I agree azreal... [13:38] <cbm> Maybe Snape has all of the bad qualities he thinks that Harry has [13:38] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Azrael [13:38] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Entirely miswired [13:38] <Poet> I like that AzraelSmurfCatcher [13:38] <futureweasley> right Poet...he didn't get the message because Harry knocked him out [13:38] <Ravendor> yep [13:38] <Narya> Snape must have known that there was no way Sirius could have murdered 12 innocent people [13:38] * Expelliarmas couldn't resist the pun. Sorry. [13:38] <Inkreader13> maybe snape wanted to believe that it wa sall sirius's fault because he did have some part in it [13:38] <Aislinn> Why do you think Harry stood in his way, when at that point he still believed that Black was responsible for his parents' death? [13:38] <DMD> why narya [13:39] <futureweasley> he knew there was more to the story [13:39] <Expelliarmas> Because Harry, unlike Snape, wanted to know the truth [13:39] <Ravendor> he wanted to hear the rest of the story [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> becuse Harry and Snape live to aggravate each other smile [13:39] <Aislinn> exactly expie [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> I think something rung true about what Lupin and Black were saying. [13:39] <fawkes28> because harry needed to hear the story [13:39] <Inkreader13> Harry wanted to hear more. He wanted to know both sides [13:39] <fawkes28> lol [13:39] <Narya> Because of the man Sirius was - even Snape isn't so blind that he can wilfully ignore that [13:39] <futureweasley> he respected Lupin, and saw him siding with Black...there was more than was to be revealed [13:39] <Aislinn> Harry was willing to listen to reason [13:39] <DumbleDebbie> pretty mature for 13 year old [13:39] <Gryffinclaw> because Harry was intrested in knowing the story and because Lupin believed Sirius and Harry trusted Lupin [13:39] <Narya> Unlike Snape [13:39] <cbm> You had the deranged Snape versus the calm Lupin [13:39] <fawkes28> harry knew he would regret it if he didn't [13:39] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Harry is true and fair and wanted to know the whole sotry before any deaths occured.. [13:39] <Aislinn> yes debbie [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> More mature than Sirius, in fact. [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry just has that ability. I think that he has the gift of discerment [13:40] <Narya> Much more mature at that point than any of them [13:40] <DumbleDebbie> that doesn't take much Mr McG ;) [13:40] <futureweasley> not in Dumbledore's eyes, Debbie...which is a shame [13:40] <Poet> And also Harry had been trusting Lupin all school year up until that evening, while on the other hand Snape hadn't really trusted Lupin at all [13:40] <DMD> that doesn't take much with these guys Mr McG [13:40] <DumbleDebbie> he's also got the capacity for forgiveness [13:40] <Aislinn> good point cbm, he was able to judge the way information was presented, and Lupin was coming across as much more reasonable [13:40] <Expelliarmas> Snape never trusted Lupin [13:40] <fawkes28> right, poet [13:40] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> And possible instinct? I mean not to sterotype or anything but he is the hero sort.... [13:40] <Inkreader13> I'm gone for now. Be back later. [13:40] *** Inkreader13 has quit [Bye] [13:40] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Oh good point Poet [13:40] <MrMcGonagall> Harry has more reason to be angry and vengeful than anyone, yet he is merciful. [13:40] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [13:41] <Narya> That's a good point Mr McG [13:41] <fawkes28> because he is pure of heart [13:41] <futureweasley> I think you are absolutely right Poet [13:41] <Ravendor> yes [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> bingo [13:41] <DumbleDebbie> yep, that's one of the great unique things about Harry Mr McG [13:41] <Aislinn> yes Mr McG [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, and Harry's history with Lupin was much better than his history with Snape. whose side would hyou want to be on? [13:41] <Aislinn> a striking contrast to snape [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> And Snape is clearly unhinged. [13:41] <Expelliarmas> another reason for Snape to be angry; Harry's preference for Lupin. [13:41] <Narya> I'd never want to be on Snape's side ... it would be much too dangerous [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:41] <DumbleDebbie> plus there is the fact that Harry is starved for any connection to his family [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> yes he is Mr M [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> Who needs friends like that? [13:41] <DMD> Snape and Harry seem to be polar opposites in the way they've dealt with their tortured childhood [13:41] *** Ravendor has quit [Bye] [13:42] <futureweasley> Snape had never given Harry a reason to trust him...Lupin had nurtured him in his teachings [13:42] *** kryssindor has joined #lounge [13:42] *** kryssindor has quit [Bye] [13:42] <cbm> You had the calm Remus Lupin versus the frantic hate filled ravings of Snape. So Harry wanted to hear more. [13:42] *** Ravendor has joined #lounge [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Expie, that was anohter sore point with Snape I am sure [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, Harry has real friends. [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> Who have made his life bearable. [13:42] <futureweasley> something that Snape never had [13:42] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I know ironic, right? [13:42] *** AzraelSmurfCatcher has quit [Bye] [13:42] <futureweasley> good point, MrMcG [13:42] <fawkes28> your right, future [13:42] <Aislinn> How did Snape know Lupin had not taken his Wolfsbane potion that night? [13:42] <Expelliarmas> Snape, however, never seemed to seek his own friends. Another reason to resent the Marauders? [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> good question [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, Harry also learned patience and perseverance under the Dursleys. [13:42] <becky920> Because he made it for him [13:43] <cbm> Because he was delivering it [13:43] <DumbleDebbie> he didnt' come to get it and Snape hadn't taken it to him [13:43] <fawkes28> didn't he bring it to him and he wasn't there? [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> this is the weakest part of the plot as far as I am concerned [13:43] <DumbleDebbie> what is Sooner? [13:43] <DMD> i think it's deeper than that though...Harry didn't change when he made friends, he's just been that way [13:43] <Aislinn> he said he noticed he hadn't taken it, so brought it to him [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> well, just the whole Lupin fogettng his potion [13:43] <Narya> Snape would know full well that Remus hadn't taken his potion because Remus had left the office [13:43] <becky920> I'm sure he was looking for any excuse to make Lupin look bad [13:43] <Poet> It is such a hard little drink to produce. It had to be drunk right away, so Lupin didn't just have any extra sitting around. [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> and Snape conveniently know about it [13:43] <futureweasley> it was kind of a hectic evening... [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> I know - you would think Lupin would have had the presence of mind to close the map before leaving his office. [13:43] <Aislinn> the fact that it was steaming that time Harry saw him bring it makes me think it had to be taken right after being concocted [13:44] <Narya> Remus forgot to take his potion because he saw Peter on the Map [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly! [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> but the other time, he took it in the middle of the day [13:44] <futureweasley> I know there are medications that are essential to my well-being that I occasionally forget to take [13:44] <DumbleDebbie> so why did Snape wait so late to bring it to him? [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> but if a medecine kept you from being a homicial maniac would you forget future? [13:44] <fawkes28> lupin could have inquired into it as well [13:44] <Aislinn> good question, debbie [13:44] <Poet> I've heard some theorize that near the full-moon perhaps more needs to be taken [13:44] <DumbleDebbie> just a few minutes before the moon hit full [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Snape would enjoy being room service. [13:44] <becky920> I don't think astronomy is JKR's strong suit. [13:44] <futureweasley> I don't think Snape was bringing it to him [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:44] <Aislinn> in a crisis you would sooner [13:45] <becky920> She may not have thought about when Lupin had to take it [13:45] <Narya> I think anyone in a panic would forget to take medication [13:45] *** DMD left #lounge [] [13:45] <futureweasley> I do think that Snape was curious what he was up to when he hadn't come to get it yet [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Snape made the potion earlier in the day for him [13:45] <fawkes28> probably, future [13:45] <Ravendor> I'm sure, future [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> I agreee, Sooner [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> but for some unkown reason Lupin didnt drink it confused07 [13:45] <Narya> I think that Snape was the one to take the potion to Remus - to make sure he took it [13:45] <futureweasley> some homicidal maniacs don't think they need medication [13:45] <DumbleDebbie> even though the potion keeps Lupin sane he may still get a bit scattered around 'that time of th emonth' [13:45] <Poet> Lupin suddently saw two old friends, one who supposedly was trying to kill Harry, and another who was supposed to be dead, both within close distance to Harry - I'd forgotten the potion too [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> And when Lupin didn't come for it, Snape went to find him as evening drew on. [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> that is the part of the plot that I find weak [13:46] <fawkes28> maybe lupin was stressed and worried about harry [13:46] <fawkes28> but lupin is usually pretty responsible [13:46] <Narya> I just think that Remus was worried - I don't see any plot weaknesses [13:46] <Ravendor> yeah, he is [13:46] <Aislinn> Were you surprised that all 3 of the trio cast Expelliarmus at Snape? [13:46] <becky920> We had a big discussion in suite 13 about whether he should have transformed earlier in the evening. [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> I know, why not wipe the map clean? Duh. Lupin isn't a panicky sort. [13:46] <futureweasley> nope...they were doing what was right [13:46] * Expelliarmas *sniff* Loves that spell [13:46] <Poet> Yes, but that does seem like a popular spell [13:46] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I was Go Herminoe! [13:46] <Narya> No, I wasn't surprised Aislinn - it shows how much of a bond they have [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:46] <becky920> The full moon rises at sunset (roughly), so it should have already been up. [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> Well, we've already seen Hermione slap Malfoy. [13:47] <Aislinn> yeah, but the shock of seeing Peter would be a big one Mr McG [13:47] <fawkes28> they all wanted to hear the story too [13:47] <DumbleDebbie> i was surprised she decided to take action as quickly as the boys [13:47] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [13:47] <Aislinn> that's a good point Narya [13:47] *** LeakyLover167 has joined #lounge [13:47] <fawkes28> it does surprise me that hermione would attack snape though [13:47] <Aislinn> they were of one mind in their actions [13:47] <becky920> She wasn't thinking clearly that night either, though. [13:47] <Expelliarmas> I thought it was great the three of them, without consulting each other, zapped Snape. [13:47] <Poet> Well Expelliarmus doesn't usually do harm. [13:47] <cbm> She had already gone for the cloak earlier in the day [13:47] <Narya> It didn't surprise me that Hermione was right there with the boys [13:47] <Aislinn> I got the impression that Ron and Hermione cast theirs more to protect Harry from Snape than anything else [13:47] <Narya> She's pretty feisty when she's roused [13:48] <MrMcGonagall> I'm amazed they did it at exactly the same moment. [13:48] <Expelliarmas> depends on the force behind the spell as to whether it does harm. [13:48] <Poet> So I'm sure Hermione didn't mean to hurt a teacher [13:48] <DumbleDebbie> Becky, the moon is technically only full for a moment though, and that could happen at any time fo the night [13:48] <Ravendor> I agree, Aislinn [13:48] <fawkes28> good point, aislinn [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> this may sound strange coming from a Snap-o-phile, but I loved that moment [13:48] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn...that's what was going on [13:48] <becky920> True, Debbie -- I guess my point was just that it was a plot weakness [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> it was such a great trio moment [13:48] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [13:48] <futureweasley> protection over anything else [13:48] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [13:48] <becky920> Hermione's reaction was perfect, too [13:48] <fawkes28> it was a moment that brought them closer together [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [13:48] <cbm> What Snape wanted to do was wrong, and they all wanted to prevent it [13:48] <futureweasley> I'm all for moments when the Trio defies Snape with such unity and grace [13:48] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it does seem odd Becky [13:49] <fawkes28> oh, future [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [13:49] <Expelliarmas> lol, FW [13:49] <Ravendor> lol, future [13:49] <Aislinn> me too FW biggrin [13:49] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [13:49] <futureweasley> YAY! [13:49] * SoonerGryffindor will get future in that headlock at prohecy biggrin [13:49] <Expelliarmas> My initial reaction was "good for you guys!" [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> lol Future [13:49] * fawkes28 rolls eyes at future [13:49] <Ravendor> mine too, Expie [13:49] <DumbleDebbie> can't wait for the cage match biggrin [13:49] * fawkes28 may join sooner [13:49] <Aislinn> I think I cheered when they did it [13:49] <futureweasley> c'mon now! it was a crowning moment [13:49] <Poet> Of course 3 third years don't know that many other spells for removing a wand from someone. [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> And Snape taught it to them. Hee hee. [13:50] <Ravendor> lol [13:50] <Expelliarmas> yes, that is ironic [13:50] <fawkes28> lol, mr. mcg [13:50] <DumbleDebbie> what irony [13:50] <Poet> Good point [13:50] <LeakyLover167> yeah i bet he regretted that [13:50] <Ravendor> the irony [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I for one think that Expelliarmus rocks!! The person and the spell [13:50] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG...the definition of irony right their [13:50] <futureweasley> *there [13:50] * Expelliarmas winks [13:50] <Aislinn> OK, shifting gears a bit: Why do you think Ron was so reluctant to believe that Scabbers was Peter? [13:50] <LeakyLover167> hooray for expelliarmus! [13:50] * futureweasley fully agrees with Sooner [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, makes you wonder what else he taught that willcome in extremely handy [13:51] <fawkes28> because he was his pet and can't think of the alternative [13:51] <Ravendor> I would be pretty reluctant if somone said my pet was a person disguised as a rat [13:51] <Poet> Because it's freaky to think some guy has been sleeping in your bed and that you've been carrying him around [13:51] <futureweasley> Ron was young and loved his "pet" [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> you'd almost have to be insane to believe something like that [13:51] <DumbleDebbie> would you want to believe a sadistic mass murdering DeathEater was riding in your pocket and sleeping in your bed? ick! [13:51] <becky920> It's a pretty uncomfortable truth [13:51] <Expelliarmas> ewww, Poet! [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Oct 1 2006, 04:50 PM |
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[13:52] <Expelliarmas> I think it was more of protecting his pet and then being a little freaked out
[13:52] <Poet> And who could believe that a wizard would stay in an animal form that long. [13:52] <becky920> Plus, he's the group's chess-player, the strategist -- I don't think Ron likes surprises. [13:52] <becky920> That wouldn't have been something he could have seen coming [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it did seem almost unbelievable. [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it actually shows his strength of character [13:52] <futureweasley> I actually think it goes back to Ron's insecurity... [13:52] <fawkes28> yes, that is along time, poet [13:52] <Aislinn> I think he was still adjusting to the reality that Scabbers hadn't really died, and then to hear this latest news - it would have been hard for anyone to take in [13:52] <DumbleDebbie> I see what you mean Sooner, he's naturally loyal (ron) [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [13:52] <Aislinn> good point sooner [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> Talk about a sudden plot twist. [13:52] <fawkes28> it's like scabbers didn't even exist for ron [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, never saw that one coming [13:52] <futureweasley> right...probably my favorite plot twist! [13:52] <Ravendor> yeah [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> The whole plot is revolves around the assumption of Sirius' guilt, then bam! [13:53] <fawkes28> i couldn't wait to find out what would happen in the next book because of it [13:53] <futureweasley> however, after Scabbers was revealed to be Peter, I was convinced that Crookshanks was someone, too [13:53] <becky920> me too, FW [13:53] <fawkes28> oh, i thought he was a person too [13:53] <becky920> Until JKR debunked it [13:53] <Expelliarmas> lol, fw [13:53] <futureweasley> luckily, that was debunked fairly quickly [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> I kind of enjoyed Crookshanks whole sidekick role in these scenes. [13:54] <Expelliarmas> JKR has the annoying habit of debunking a lot of our beliefs [13:54] <fawkes28> or else we would still be debating it! [13:54] <Poet> That Jo, she's a tricky one [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> lol expie [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> Well, she's really doing us a favor. [13:54] <futureweasley> I like it when she tells us that we're wrong...no real time wasted [13:54] <Aislinn> When Sirius cornered Peter he yelled for the street to hear. Did Peter plan on letting himself be cornered? Did he plan what he would do to frame Sirius for the deaths of the Potters? Why or why not? [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, fw [13:54] <DumbleDebbie> she must be trying to steer us into debating something elsesmile [13:54] *** Ravendor has quit [Bye] [13:54] <becky920> I think Peter knew exactly what he was doing. [13:55] <becky920> He's been completely underestimated, and continues to be underestimated. [13:55] <fawkes28> i think he had to plan it - i don't think he is that smart spontaneously [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> I think he did, too. Although he is good at seizing the moment, too. [13:55] *** Ravendor has joined #lounge [13:55] <Expelliarmas> Peter is a cagey rat; he knew what he was doing [13:55] <futureweasley> I'm still confused about Peter and his magic...he cast a spell that killed 13 muggles at one time?! That's insane... [13:55] <DumbleDebbie> the yelling was certainly staged. I don't know when he planned the frame. probably as soon as they made him secret keepter [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> He quickly takes advatnage of his escape opportunity here. [13:55] <Poet> Muggles dies much more easily than wizards [13:55] <Aislinn> he could have really blown up a gas line, FW - wouldn't have taken really sophisticated magic [13:55] *** LeakyLover167 has quit [Bye] [13:55] <becky920> I think it was the street blast that killed them, not AK. [13:56] <futureweasley> I don't think he knew he was going to be trapped in the Shrieking Shack [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> I think he had thought out the street escape. [13:56] <fawkes28> it is, future - i think he is the second person i hate the most in this series [13:56] <DumbleDebbie> I think he might have been good enough at Muggle studies to know if he actualy hit a gas line it would do a lot of damage [13:56] <Expelliarmas> I think he always has an escape route, or looks for one; remember how his eyes kept darting about the room searching for an escape. [13:56] <Poet> And we've seen what happens with non-living things receive spells meant for wizards [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> He knew it was only a matter of time before an irate Sirius would catch up with him. [13:56] *** Narya has joined #lounge [13:56] *** SillyPutty has joined #lounge [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome back Narya [13:56] <futureweasley> Peter might have the kind of arrogance to think he can get away from (or with) anything [13:56] <Aislinn> yes, he is skilled at knowing how to protect his own skin [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> And that he wouldn't stand a chance magically against Sirius. [13:56] <becky920> He was always overshadowed by the other Marauders in school. [13:56] *** MaraudingDon has joined #lounge [13:56] <Aislinn> it is his greatest skill actually [13:57] <becky920> I think he loved to have the chance to "prove" himself, even if it was against and not for them. [13:57] <fawkes28> think of what he could be if he stopped looking out for his own self [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Maurading Don!!! [13:57] <Ravendor> hey, Sillyputty and Maurading Don [13:57] <MaraudingDon> Evening everyone - I am advised this is the place to come to bash Snape?!!! LOL [13:57] <Expelliarmas> lol [13:57] <Ravendor> lol [13:57] <Narya> LOL [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:57] <Poet> Hi MaraudingDon [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> this would be the place [13:57] <Expelliarmas> he has his defenders *cough* Sooner* cough* fawkes [13:58] <MaraudingDon> Blame SoonerGryffindor - she invited me [13:58] <MrMcGonagall> Bad, bad MaraudingDon! Don't bait futureweasley. [13:58] <fawkes28> just you all wait!!! [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:58] <fawkes28> you'll be reading book 7 and i will be smiling smile [13:58] <MaraudingDon> The dude is the spawn of the devil and the fact that he wanted to give two innocent men to the Dementors is proof enough [13:58] <SillyPutty> hey everyone.. [13:58] <Ravendor> hey, SillyPutty [13:58] <Aislinn> I'm with you there Don smile [13:58] <Narya> Well said MaraudingDon! [13:58] <fawkes28> hi sillyputty [13:58] <futureweasley> whoa...I wouldn't even go that far! [13:58] <Expelliarmas> that sums him up [13:58] <futureweasley> lol [13:58] <SillyPutty> I am still on the fence about snape... now Peter - litte rat... [13:59] * fawkes28 thinks it's best to keep mouth shut at the moment [13:59] <Poet> It was just a little kiss or two... [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> lol fawkes [13:59] <futureweasley> lol fawkes [13:59] <Aislinn> Sirius tells Harry that he persuaded James and Lily to use Peter instead of himself as Secret Keeper. Why do you think he did this? [13:59] <SillyPutty> at work again today so I will be in and out [13:59] <MaraudingDon> LOL, my hatred of the greasy one knows no bounds!!! [13:59] <SillyPutty> Because Peter convinced him to [13:59] <becky920> I think he thought no one would suspect they'd trust Peter [13:59] <Narya> Sirius thought he was doing the right thing to protect his friends [13:59] <cbm> He was being clever [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> because Peter is an evil rat [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder if Sirius was afraid he himself might crack under torture. [13:59] <becky920> And it was probably Peter's suggestion [13:59] <fawkes28> he did think he was being clever [13:59] <Poet> Perhaps Sirius could remain more active for the Order if he didn't make himself the secretkeeper [13:59] <Narya> Sirius would never have cracked [13:59] <futureweasley> Sirius thought that Peter was in the same place as far as loyalty was concerned. [13:59] <DumbleDebbie> brash mis calculation on Sirius' part [14:00] <SillyPutty> I think Peter was the one who hinted at Lupin being bad and gave small hints of changing the SK to him... [14:00] <fawkes28> but he doesn't think things through all the time [14:00] <MaraudingDon> I don't think for a second that Sirius was afraid, but I think he was too arrogant and thought he could outwit Voldemort [14:00] <futureweasley> He also thought he was a bigger target, being James's best friend [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with that Don [14:00] <Aislinn> I don't think so Mr McG [14:00] <Poet> Interesting thought SillyPutty [14:00] <DumbleDebbie> in his arrogance he thought he could bait Voldy [14:00] <Narya> I don't think it's miscalculation so much as wanting to protect, and being fooled - which they all were [14:00] <SillyPutty> sorta how the cat is not in the chinese zodiac [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> Doesn't Sirius say that the idea was his own? [14:00] <Narya> Yes he does [14:00] <futureweasley> yes, [14:00] <Ravendor> yes [14:00] <Expelliarmas> I did wonder about that; Sirius would have died rather than betray James. He did not need to give up being secretkeeper. [14:00] <Aislinn> I think he thought Peter would be a safer option, as he would be less likely to draw attention [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> they wre just 21 year old kids who thought they were invincible [14:00] <SillyPutty> he would think it was - i think that was one of Peter skills [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> and they wrent sad [14:00] <MaraudingDon> I honestly think Sirius would have died to protect James and Lily [14:00] <SillyPutty> to hint... and make Sirius think it was his idea [14:00] <Narya> Sirius would have - JKR has said so [14:00] <Aislinn> I do too Don [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> It was just a "fortunate" stroke for Peter, being able to give V exactly what he wanted. [14:01] <futureweasley> I don't think it was fear for his well-being, but fear of the Potter's well-being [14:01] <futureweasley> I agree fully MrMcG [14:01] <Aislinn> yes FW [14:01] <MaraudingDon> Plus they thought Remus was the spy and so thought they could trust Wormtail [14:01] <fawkes28> they underestimated peter [14:01] <fawkes28> which we all did [14:01] <Narya> Peter has a lot to answer for [14:01] <Poet> I'm hoping that same sort of arogance will be Voldermort's downfall. He too puts his trust in someone/something else (horcruxes) [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> I think Peter is still a little on the fence. V had better watch him closely. [14:01] <Expelliarmas> Could Peter have insinuated or manipulated Sirius into making the switch> [14:01] <Expelliarmas> ? [14:01] <SillyPutty> true... still think Peter hinted at things... Sirius seems the type to hear something from someone he doeswn't respect... [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I so want Snape to hurt Peter [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> Life isn't exactly great for him among the DEs. [14:02] <SillyPutty> and make him think it was his own idea [14:02] <Narya> I think he insinuated - he was cunning enought to do that [14:02] <futureweasley> it's likely Expie [14:02] <fawkes28> hmm, interesting expel i wouldnt put it back peter now [14:02] <SillyPutty> exactly narya! [14:02] <fawkes28> *past [14:02] <futureweasley> are we sure he wasn't a Slytherin? [14:02] <MaraudingDon> Peter was so weak, but that was his greatest tool, because by fooling Sirius and James into thinking he would do anything for them, he actually was given the information to kill them [14:02] <Aislinn> Why do you think that Sirius had thought that Lupin was the spy back when the Potters went into hiding? [14:02] <Poet> Yep [14:02] <Narya> He was either a Gryff or a Slytherin - but likely a Gryff [14:02] <MrMcGonagall> I think Peter did what he always did around the Marauders - enthusiastically concurred with their plan. [14:02] <SillyPutty> Peter... petter is the reason everything went wrong [14:02] <fawkes28> maybe peter did put the idea in sirius' head [14:02] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:02] <Poet> Yes, until Peter [14:02] <DumbleDebbie> I don't know. I'd like to know though [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome HF! [14:02] <Ravendor> hey, hpfreak [14:03] <Narya> Sirius would have thought Remus was the spy because of the fear of the times [14:03] <MaraudingDon> Peter was a Gryffindor - which makes me think he will end up doing "something" brave in book 7 [14:03] <fawkes28> hey hf!! [14:03] *** isa has joined #lounge [14:03] <DumbleDebbie> hey HF [14:03] <becky920> I think it was process of elimination -- he probably thought Peter wasn't smart enough to be the spy, so that left Lupin. [14:03] <harryfreak359> I know, I am late my mom is using my computer [14:03] <Aislinn> I think that Peter was skillfully framing Lupin at the same time he was collecting information for LV [14:03] <Ravendor> hey, isa [14:03] <futureweasley> he was a werewolf...and they didn't know what he was capable of when he "transformed" [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Peter had somehting to do with that suspicion [14:03] <Narya> Peter has that chance for redemption - I agree Don [14:03] <isa> hey [14:03] <Expelliarmas> hf, you're late! welcome [14:03] <Aislinn> Sirius said he had been passing secrets for a year [14:03] <DumbleDebbie> I hope so Don, he's overdue [14:03] <SillyPutty> but they trusted him all thru school with the knowledge [14:03] <futureweasley> plus, I'm sure that Peter pitted Sirius and Remus against each other [14:03] <Expelliarmas> that whole werewolf bias; plus Peter feeding misinformation? [14:03] <Poet> They knew there was someone in their midst [14:03] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:03] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:03] <futureweasley> the suspicion was ultimately their undoing [14:03] <Narya> They trusted hiom - they werent to know Peter would betray them all - he even fooled DD [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, it was pretty brave to betray all of your friends.... in a rat kinda way [14:04] <fawkes28> i don't think sirius would have mistrusted him because he was a werewolf [14:04] <SillyPutty> because no one thought he was smart enough [14:04] <Aislinn> I think it was primarily misinformation being spread [14:04] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:04] <MrMcGonagall> I'm surprised Peter could be such an effective spy. [14:04] <DumbleDebbie> tru Expie [14:04] <Narya> It's not brave Sooner - it's totally venal [14:04] <Poet> and the Potters had defied Voldemort 3 times. It seems someone near the Potters was giving out info, that narrows the field considerably [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [14:04] <MaraudingDon> Jo has talked a lot about redemption, I think that is there for Peter is some small part, but he has been responsible for so many deaths, the muggles and Cedric as well as Lily and James, I don't think he can ever be fully redeemed [14:04] <becky920> That's the point, isn't it, mr. McG? [14:04] <Aislinn> I agree fawkes [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree fully with that Don [14:04] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:04] <DumbleDebbie> not so brave when you've got a bigger bully at your back [14:04] <Narya> If we can redeem Snape, or try to, then we can redeem Peter [14:04] <harryfreak359> . . . [14:04] <SillyPutty> no [14:04] <fawkes28> no not peter [14:04] <MaraudingDon> I'M NOT REDEEMING SNAPE!!!!! *splutters* [14:04] <Narya> Why not? [14:05] <futureweasley> if it was put to him correctly, I think he would have believed anything at that time...they were all very vulnerable [14:05] <cbm> maybe not redeemed, but he may do the right thing once [14:05] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure if Snape is really interested in redemption. [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> well, he could have ran off to Tahiti or something but he stuck around, Not sure if that was bravery or stupidity actually [14:05] <MrMcGonagall> I think he will do the right thing once. [14:05] <Poet> So perhaps a different type of redemption for Peter MaraudingDon, the type that only death can bring perhaps [14:05] <Narya> He's no worse than Snape in the end analysis [14:05] <harryfreak359> what are we discussing right now? [14:05] <SillyPutty> I dislike Peter... because he knew exactly what he was doing when he did it... [14:05] <fawkes28> ok i'll give peter a chance, if you promise to give snape a chance [14:05] <Expelliarmas> Peter was the perfect spy. Nobody thought much of him. Like he was invisible. [14:05] <SillyPutty> i personally think he is worse then Snape... [14:05] <isa> maybe, if peter does want to come back, he will, if he really repents of what he's done [14:05] <Narya> I'm on the fence where Snape is concerned [14:05] <fawkes28> lol [14:05] <Poet> Whether Sirius thought Lupine was the spy [14:05] <futureweasley> come to the canon side, Narya! [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:05] <Ravendor> lol, yes [14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> no, no,no [14:06] <MaraudingDon> Peter is pathetic and weak - but Snape is intelligent and therefore more culpable - I'm not excusing Peter in any way [14:06] <fawkes28> there is no canon side!!! [14:06] <MrMcGonagall> Expel, but he's such a twitchy little guy. [14:06] <Narya> Canon supports neither case [14:06] <harryfreak359> don't! [14:06] <Narya> yet [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Don [14:06] <DumbleDebbie> aren't both sides canon sides? [14:06] <futureweasley> yes there is!! [14:06] <Narya> till book seven [14:06] <futureweasley> the proof is in the pudding [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, that's the genius of it all smile [14:06] <Narya> Which proof?# [14:06] <Expelliarmas> but who notices Peter, MrM? no one. [14:06] <Narya> Remind me [14:06] <harryfreak359> lol future [14:06] <SillyPutty> Peter is usless little creep... [14:06] <futureweasley> later...I will [14:06] <Aislinn> Back to chapter 19: If Peter was not in his hiding place when Sirius went to check on him, where was he? [14:06] <fawkes28> i'm sure [14:06] <futureweasley> lol [14:06] <Narya> Peter had gone into hiding yet again [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a great question, and I have no answer [14:06] <Expelliarmas> there's the $64,000 question [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> and I;ve thought about it a lot [14:06] <isa> right [14:06] <MrMcGonagall> I think the Marauders did what V will do - underestimate Peter Pettigrew. [14:06] <Narya> He is a rat, after all [14:06] <MaraudingDon> Peter was at Godrics Hollow [14:06] <cbm> Maybe at Godric's Hollow [14:06] <harryfreak359> he had gone into hiding from the ORder by then [14:07] <becky920> With the death eaters? Hiding like the rat he is? Maybe he was at GH [14:07] <DumbleDebbie> reading the maps of the gas lines in East London? [14:07] <MaraudingDon> I'm sure of it [14:07] <fawkes28> probably at godric's hollow [14:07] <Poet> He was enjoying a little scamper over to Voldemort's hiding place I think [14:07] <SillyPutty> he was getting drunk and running. [14:07] <cbm> We now know that Snape was not there [14:07] <futureweasley> maybe he was there... [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie [14:07] <Expelliarmas> I thought he'd be at Godric's Hollow [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> so either what Debbie said, or at Godric's Hollow wink [14:07] <Aislinn> someone got LV's wand for him after being blown away [14:07] <MaraudingDon> He had to reveal the secret to Voldemort and probably took him there [14:07] <becky920> Well, we know Snape wasn't under the cloak... but I don't think he was there [14:07] <Expelliarmas> looking on and waiting for LV to kill his friends [14:07] <Narya> With LV? He'd be too scared [14:07] <Aislinn> makes me think Peter was there [14:07] <fawkes28> right, aislinn [14:07] <futureweasley> I really hope that it wasn't Peter who was there [14:07] <Poet> Ah - right SillyPutty he'd already told Voldemort and was hiding out somewhere [14:07] <Narya> The only way he'd be at GH is if LV forced him to go [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> See, I don't think Peter was there in godric's hollow [14:07] <MaraudingDon> Hagrid probably just missed him [14:08] <cbm> I think Peter was there, how else would Voldemort get his wand? [14:08] <Expelliarmas> he is LV's servant, where else would he be, but at his master's beck and call? [14:08] <harryfreak359> I don't think he was there [14:08] <Poet> I agree cbm [14:08] <futureweasley> but someone had to get the information out that the Potters had been killed...someone was there [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> how does someone just stand by and watch their friends get murdered? [14:08] <fawkes28> where do you think he was mr. mcg? [14:08] <Aislinn> he oculd have transformed into a rat, and Hagrid never would have seen him [14:08] <MaraudingDon> How did Wormtail get Voldemort's wand if he wasn't at Godrics Hollow though? [14:08] <isa> someone with a black heart [14:08] <Poet> I also agree with that point futureweasley [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> I think that's oe of the problems Jo is working out - the wand. [14:08] <futureweasley> it's possible that, at that point, Peter didn't see them as friends [14:08] <becky920> Do we know that Wormtail got it? It could have been someone else [14:08] <harryfreak359> I think he was in rat-form hiding from the order [14:08] <DumbleDebbie> I think peter was there to see his triumph [14:08] <Aislinn> Jo's got it worked out [14:08] <Poet> So some from both sides had to be nearby [14:08] <Narya> Peter never saw them as friends - not really [14:08] <Expelliarmas> how would Peter have known the Potters were dead, if hadn't been there? [14:08] <fawkes28> she knows all smile [14:08] <cbm> Who else? [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> we dont know much of anything, which is why I am so excited that Harry is going to go there [14:09] <harryfreak359> he would have heard it Expel [14:09] <futureweasley> Jo Knows...my original signature [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> V went to kill them. Has he ever failed before? [14:09] <MaraudingDon> How did Dumbledore know what had happened? [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> nope [14:09] <Poet> Someone from both sides had to be nearby [14:09] <DumbleDebbie> yeah Sooner [14:09] <futureweasley> I agree Poet [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> no one had any reason at all to suspectt that would happen [14:09] <Poet> Maybe a twitchy little spider and a nasty little rat [14:09] <MaraudingDon> I've always thought someone from both sides was watching [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Poet [14:09] <Expelliarmas> Dumbledore was having the house watched. [14:09] <futureweasley> Hagrid was there quickly...had borrowed Sirius Motorcycle and everything [14:09] <Narya> Most likely scenario [14:09] <isa> yeh [14:09] <DumbleDebbie> It's been the big question right from the get go, Godris Hollow [14:09] <Aislinn> Why do you think that Sirius was able to resist the Dementors for 12 years in Azkaban? [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, expel, I agree [14:09] <Narya> Strength of mind and will [14:10] <MaraudingDon> because he was innocent and had no happy thoughts [14:10] <isa> by turing into a dog at times, too [14:10] <futureweasley> agreed Narya [14:10] <futureweasley> my thoughts exactly [14:10] <Poet> There were other prisoners for them to focus on, for one [14:10] <Ravendor> yes, I agree, Narya [14:10] <SillyPutty> doggie time? [14:10] <SoonerGryffindor> brb guys. The lag monster is getting me [14:10] <Narya> A refusal to be beaten [14:10] <DumbleDebbie> he focusing on stewing instead of on reminiscing [14:10] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [14:10] <becky920> He was stubborn and unhappy and had an "escape" -- hiding as a dog periodically when things got too ugly [14:10] <MrMcGonagall> He was consumed by a desire for revenge, which the dementors can't feed on. He had something to live for. [14:10] <Aislinn> I think his being able to transform into a dog was invaluable [14:10] <Poet> He could turn into a dog at will because no one else could see what he was doing [14:10] <futureweasley> he was innocent...and the preservation of his innocence was in good and happy memories [14:10] <Narya> Good point Mr McG [14:10] <SillyPutty> brb [14:11] <isa> yeh, thats wat i though [14:11] <Narya> He lived for Harry - that says it all about him [14:11] <DumbleDebbie> others might stew but couldn't get a mental break by transforming [14:11] <Aislinn> the feelings as a dog would have been easier to bear [14:11] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [14:11] <Narya> Less tortuous [14:11] <Expelliarmas> by the time he goes to Azkaban, Sirius is angry which drives out all happiness. there's little for the dementors to feed on. [14:11] <MaraudingDon> The poor guy was in prison, without a trial, for murders he didn't commit - I would have thought Sirius would have depressed the Dementors if they got too close!!!! [14:11] <futureweasley> does turning into an animagus take a lot of strength out of a wizard? [14:11] <DumbleDebbie> lol Don [14:11] <Ravendor> lol, Maruading Don [14:11] <MrMcGonagall> lol MD [14:11] <Poet> Others lost their minds and many simply died after a year or so, unable to go on. I sounds like most just gave up and died. [14:11] <cbm> FW, we d not know [14:12] <Poet> *It sounds like [14:12] <Aislinn> What did you think of Harry stopping Lupin and Black from killing Peter? Were you surprised? [14:12] <MrMcGonagall> Eerie similarity to the concentration camps of WWII [14:12] <Narya> Most gave up and died because they probably admitted the truth of why they were there to themselves [14:12] <futureweasley> I just think it's highly unlikely that he was a dog for the majority of 12 years [14:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I was kind of surprised [14:12] <becky920> It's one of the reasons I love Harry so much [14:12] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I was surprised, but good for him [14:12] <Ravendor> No, I wasn't surprised [14:12] <Expelliarmas> I was mad he stopped Lupin and Sirius from doing the deed. [14:12] <Narya> I wasn't surprised by Harry stopping them - it's what James would have done [14:12] <fawkes28> i think i was [14:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its awesome that he did it though [14:12] <futureweasley> he didn't know the depths of PP's betrayal [14:12] <SillyPutty> I was surprised... but I think I can understand why... [14:12] <futureweasley> yet [14:12] <MaraudingDon> Not surprised - it sets up the Wizard life debt that Peter will now owe Harry - nicely in time for book 7 [14:12] <MrMcGonagall> I wasn't surprised. It's Harry, for crying out loud. [14:12] <Poet> It was very smart of Harry to stop them for one. He'd already thought about letting the truth be known? [14:12] <Aislinn> I was glad he did it [14:13] <fawkes28> it made him a stronger person [14:13] <Aislinn> It showed his strength of character, and good heart [14:13] <SillyPutty> which is interesting because he wanted to kill Sirius for doing what Peter did... and then gave Peter mercy [14:13] <cbm> He kept them from comitting a coold blodded murder [14:13] <Ravendor> yes, I was very glad he did it [14:13] <SoonerGryffindor> and I cant wait to see what benefit that gives him in 7 [14:13] <Narya> Harry showed so much maturity and understanding at thirteen - much more than the adults around him [14:13] <futureweasley> fawkes said it earlier, the was pure of heart...and he didn't think his dad would want his 2 best friends to become murderers [14:13] <MrMcGonagall> Harry has a good sense of justice. [14:13] <fawkes28> he does follow his heart [14:13] <harryfreak359> I agree Expel [14:13] <becky920> Harry has compassion for the rate [14:13] <isa> yes [14:13] <SillyPutty> I was more confused then anything [14:13] <Aislinn> he coculdn't do it though, when it came to it silly [14:13] <becky920> oops, the rat [14:13] <Aislinn> he just thought he should [14:13] <DumbleDebbie> but Harry was about to kill Sirious with his bare hands for the same deed he finds out Peter has goine [14:13] <SoonerGryffindor> buy Harry hesitated [14:13] <DumbleDebbie> *done [14:13] <fawkes28> i don't think he wil lever be able to kill [14:13] <SillyPutty> true... but he seemed to have no desire for killing Peter.. [14:13] <becky920> But do you think he really would have? [14:13] <cbm> But Harry could not bring himself to do it [14:14] <Aislinn> nope, he thought he should want to kill Sirius [14:14] <Expelliarmas> Harry was not going to kill Sirius [14:14] <Narya> Harry wouldn't have killed Sirius [14:14] <SoonerGryffindor> and I thnk he realized then how hard murder actually is [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> I agree fawkes. [14:14] <isa> he hesitated bc that man killed his parents [14:14] <Poet> Harry had already had the chance (sort of ) to murder Black. The cat had gotten in the way. I think this settled Harry down a little. [14:14] <Aislinn> but couldn't bring himself to do it [14:14] <Narya> Harry will never be able to kill - it's not in his nature [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> Harry is not a murderer. No way, no how. [14:14] <SillyPutty> so he stopped because of a cat? that I understand [14:14] <Aislinn> I agree Narya [14:14] <Aislinn> Was it the right thing to do, knowing that Peter ended up escaping and going back to Voldemort? [14:14] <DumbleDebbie> he doesn't have murder in him. I hope he stays that way [14:14] <SoonerGryffindor> grrrrr [14:14] <becky920> I think so. [14:14] <Ravendor> me too, Debbie [14:15] <Narya> It was the right thing to do [14:15] <isa> yes, i think [14:15] <SillyPutty> everyone is able to kill... its having the desire... [14:15] <MaraudingDon> Harry won't ever kill - I think Jo has been very clever with her use of words - even the prophesy doesn't say kill - it says "vanquish". Jo is not going to have her hero become a killer - EVER [14:15] <cbm> Yes, it was right [14:15] <Ravendor> yes, it was right [14:15] <fawkes28> it was the right thing to do [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> DD says it was so I will take his word for it [14:15] <MrMcGonagall> It was. [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with that Don [14:15] <becky920> Even before he understands from DD that the dementors are no good, he knows enough to know it's no kind of punishment [14:15] <harryfreak359> Well it caused a lot of problems [14:15] <Aislinn> no - PETER caused a lot of problems [14:15] <harryfreak359> If I was in Harry's place... [14:15] <Poet> I was pretty frustrated at Hermione for not letting Harry go after Peter (during the time turning scene) [14:15] <MrMcGonagall> It will all come out all right in the end. [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> so Harry has alrady had to make a few life and death decisions [14:15] <SillyPutty> yes, because now Volde is human - well partially - there is something to fight directly. [14:15] <Expelliarmas> well, LV would have mad his comeback, with or without Peter. just would've taken longer. [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this was yet another test of his character that he passed [14:16] <Expelliarmas> *made [14:16] <Aislinn> people can only choose right decisions for themselves, and this was absolutely the right decision for Harry to make [14:16] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it was only a matter of time before V found a dark wizard to help him. [14:16] <fawkes28> karma...it will come back to harry for the right decision he made [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> and without Peter helping, who knows how he would have manged to come back. Maybe LV would not have made whatever mistake it was that caused that infamous gleam [14:16] <SillyPutty> I will say I won't be crying if Peter dies [14:16] <Narya> Harry has never had a problem in making the right choices - and even at 13, he was so good at that [14:17] <Poet> Good point Expelliarmus. This way the person responsible for Voldie's comeback also has a responsibility towards Harry (life debt) [14:17] <DumbleDebbie> he's got a good heart, that kid smile [14:17] <harryfreak359> Peter didn't deserve it at all, though [14:17] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:17] <futureweasley> Harry hadn't gleaned all the information necessary to make Trelawney's prophecy make sense [14:17] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Jane [14:17] <DumbleDebbie> hi Jane [14:17] <Ravendor> hey, Jane [14:17] <harryfreak359> hi Jane [14:17] <SillyPutty> which I think Vode knows about [14:17] <JaneMarple9> Evening all smile or afternoon [14:17] <fawkes28> hi jane [14:17] <Aislinn> its not about Peter, though harryfreak, its about Harry, and about Sirius and Lupin [14:17] <MrMcGonagall> Justice should always be tempered with mercy. [14:17] <JaneMarple9> be right back [14:17] <Aislinn> and what would have happened to them - how they would have felt, becoming killers [14:17] <SillyPutty> tru MrMcG [14:17] <Ravendor> I agree, Aislinn [14:17] <DumbleDebbie> good point Mr McG [14:17] <harryfreak359> Yes, true [14:18] <becky920> I think Peter will help Harry vanquish the Dark Lord -- after all, either must die at "the hand" of the other. Peter's got the hand! [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> Peter deserved death, but Harry spared him [14:18] <Narya> Harry's sense of justice has always been very strong [14:18] <SillyPutty> Harry still needs them... [14:18] <cbm> I was on the fence on this, until I imagined it was a gun instead of a wand, [14:18] *** isa has quit [Bye] [14:18] <Aislinn> and then cbm? [14:18] <fawkes28> i don't know about that, becky [14:18] <futureweasley> that's good imagery cbm [14:18] <cbm> Then it became Murder. [14:18] <Narya> Peter really needs to do something selfless to repay that debt, otherwise it doesn't matter what he does [14:18] <Aislinn> yes, I agree completely [14:18] *** isa has joined #lounge [14:18] <becky920> (not really being serious, fawkes!) [14:19] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Narya [14:19] <Narya> Selfless not selfish for once in his life [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> wb isa [14:19] <fawkes28> smile [14:19] <SillyPutty> He has to save Harry to redem the life debt - which means standing up to Voldemort to save the life [14:19] <Aislinn> Moving onto the next chapter Was it necessary to keep Pettigrew alive to have proof of Sirius’ innocence? [14:19] <MaraudingDon> absolutely Narya [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so [14:19] <fawkes28> yes [14:19] <isa> yes [14:19] <Ravendor> yep [14:19] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn...I think it was [14:19] <cbm> Absolutely [14:19] <Narya> It was necessary to keep him alive, yes [14:19] <SillyPutty> no [14:19] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [14:19] <harryfreak359> No, not if they had his body [14:19] <MrMcGonagall> I think so. Wizarding justice can be pretty perverted. [14:19] <becky920> Well, Snape sure wasn't saying anything [14:19] <fawkes28> otherwise it's one person's word against the other [14:19] <isa> and lupin would have been a murderer too [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:19] *** Poet has joined #lounge [14:19] <futureweasley> everyone thought Sirius had killed him...his death was what held the whole theory together [14:19] <DumbleDebbie> maybe not, the body would prove Sirius didn't kill Peter [14:19] <Expelliarmas> Not necessarily. But it would make it easier. [14:19] <futureweasley> about Sirius's guilt [14:19] <MaraudingDon> My beloved Lupin is no murderer!! [14:19] *** kryssindor has joined #lounge [14:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Snae thought they were all nuts and Peter didnt come back till after he was knocked out [14:20] <SillyPutty> we know from history that the MOM doesn;t like changing their mind on convictions... [14:20] <isa> but he would have killed peter anyways [14:20] <Aislinn> to follow up: Would the Ministry have accepted the explanation of Sirius’ innocence? [14:20] <DumbleDebbie> brb [14:20] <MrMcGonagall> the prejudice against Black as so ingrained in the wizard community that they wuld have had difficulty believing his innocence. [14:20] *** kryssindor has quit [Bye] [14:20] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [14:20] <SoonerGryffindor> doubtul [14:20] <Narya> Never [14:20] <isa> i fthey saw peter alive [14:20] <SillyPutty> nope... [14:20] <JaneMarple9> i don't think they would [14:20] <fawkes28> nope [14:20] <becky920> Only with a living Peter, I think [14:20] <futureweasley> not at that time [14:20] <SoonerGryffindor> not after what we saw in GoF [14:20] <Ravendor> probably not [14:20] <harryfreak359> I have very little faith in the Ministry [14:20] <cbm> the MOM is in Lucius Malfoy's pocket, so I doubt it [14:20] <fawkes28> they already had in their minds that sirius was guilty [14:20] <JaneMarple9> the MoM find it hard to change their minds [14:20] <MaraudingDon> I think the MOM sees what it wants to see and hear - they are hopeless, like most Governments [14:20] <MrMcGonagall> they'd think Harry and his friends had been obliviated. [14:20] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed [14:20] <Narya> The MoM is blinded by its own arrogance [14:20] <isa> yep [14:20] <Expelliarmas> I don't think so. [14:20] <becky920> And fear [14:21] <Aislinn> I agree, Fudge needs the truth shoved in his face before he believes it [14:21] <SillyPutty> he never even had a trail they never looked at the facts, asked for facts or anything... they just put him in jail in the first place... [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> look at how Snape was able to convince Fudge so easily that they were confunded? [14:21] <harryfreak359> okay, guys, brb I am going to get on my own computer [14:21] <Expelliarmas> DD would have to twist a lot of arms on that one. [14:21] <fawkes28> even dumbledore knew he couldnt convicne the MoM [14:21] <futureweasley> it might be a different story today (in book 6), but not with Lucius and Fudge running things [14:21] <JaneMarple9> And probably influenced by Lucius Malfoy [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> k hf [14:21] <harryfreak359> this keyboard is driving me crazy [14:21] <SillyPutty> because they don't like looking like fools - they don't ask questions [14:21] <SillyPutty> which makes them bigger fools [14:21] <futureweasley> don't ask, don't tell...right? [14:21] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:21] <Narya> Good point SillyPutty [14:21] <MaraudingDon> I think subsequent books have shown how inadequate the MoM really are. The MoM aren't going to destroy Voldemort [14:21] <SillyPutty> exactly... [14:21] <JaneMarple9> I think Rufus is more or less like Fudge, same ideas [14:21] <Aislinn> true Don [14:21] <SillyPutty> and same blindness.... [14:22] <Expelliarmas> Wonder what Lucius would have done with the info, though. [14:22] <Narya> Rufus is at least a bit stronger than Fudge was [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> Odd that they could convict Sirius without a formal trial, yet need a moutnain of concrete evidence to prove him innocent. [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> Ugh. [14:22] <Narya> but that doesn't say much [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, kinda reminds me of a wombat q from yesterday...... [14:22] <fawkes28> they are blinded by their power [14:22] <futureweasley> not much at all Narya [14:22] <futureweasley> lol [14:22] <cbm> Lucius would of tried to have it suppressed [14:22] <Aislinn> isn't that sad, Mr McG? [14:22] <SillyPutty> exactly fawkes... [14:22] <JaneMarple9> Rufus is marginally better than Fudge, knows his mind [14:22] <SillyPutty> very much like the witch trails... [14:22] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a very good point Mr M [14:22] <becky920> Guilty until proven innocent. [14:22] <fawkes28> true, sillyputty [14:22] <Narya> They needed the evidence to save themselves from looking even more stupid than they had [14:22] <isa> yep [14:22] <JaneMarple9> trails or trials ? smile [14:23] *** MaraudingDon has quit [Bye] [14:23] <Aislinn> What did you make of Sirius’ lack of effort at keeping Snape from bumping his head along the low ceiling in the passageway? [14:23] <SillyPutty> lol! trials... [14:23] <futureweasley> which is funny to me, because their "power" is all perception [14:23] <becky920> I think I'm right in saying that there is no presumption of innocence in GB, though, wizarding or Muggle wise. [14:23] <Poet> Unfortunately Sirius died before the Ministry really figured it all out [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:23] <Narya> I found it right in character [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> that part was funny as well [14:23] <Expelliarmas> I thought it was great and deserved. [14:23] <fawkes28> i will attempt that it was funny smile [14:23] <MrMcGonagall> I hope Snape got dirt up his nose. [14:23] <SillyPutty> it showed a bit of who he was [14:23] <fawkes28> admit [14:23] <JaneMarple9> Sirius was enjoying it I think [14:23] <Poet> It helped Harry relate to Sirius a little better wink to see that he also hated Snape [14:23] <DumbleDebbie> funny, but immature [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> you could tell Harry wasnt too upset aout it either [14:23] <Narya> Just a pity that Snape wasn't conscious at the time [14:23] <becky920> I guess it showed Sirius hadn't really let go of their grudge, either [14:23] <MrMcGonagall> Whoops-a-daisy. [14:23] <Aislinn> After being threatened with a dementor's kiss, I thought it was understandable [14:23] <SillyPutty> very immature [14:23] <Ravendor> agreed, debbie [14:23] <futureweasley> the old rivelry was back with a vengence [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lol' [14:23] <isa> ya, i thought it was funny...a way to pay back snape for yrs of loathing [14:23] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr McG [14:24] <Expelliarmas> lol Mr. Mcg! [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> just goes to show what kind of relatinship they had [14:24] <Narya> I don't think it was immature - I think Snape deserved it [14:24] <JaneMarple9> immature granted but I think Snape deserved it biggrin [14:24] <futureweasley> Game ON! [14:24] <Narya> It was lucky that it wasn't more [14:24] <fawkes28> humor in the misk of chaos [14:24] <Aislinn> how many people laughed when they read it? [14:24] <Narya> me [14:24] <isa> i did! [14:24] <SillyPutty> sorta like the jinxing when the back is turned? [14:24] * SoonerGryffindor raises hand [14:24] <Ravendor> I did [14:24] <JaneMarple9> me biggrin [14:24] <fawkes28> me [14:24] * futureweasley raises her hand [14:24] <cbm> I did [14:24] <DumbleDebbie> he probably woke with a humdinger of a headcahe Narya [14:24] <Expelliarmas> me [14:24] <Poet> Right after that Sirius offers Harry a place at his house. This connection between them just before that was important [14:24] <becky920> I may have even snorted [14:24] <Narya> I hope so DumbleDebbie [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't. It's just Sirius being mena. [14:24] <SillyPutty> i did... sadly but I have a weird sense of humor [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> mean. [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> hmm, maybe tha'ts why he was so demented later on [14:24] <fawkes28> it's one of those parts you forget until you read it again [14:24] <Narya> Sirius isn't mean compared to Snape [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> too many knocks on the head :p [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> He was demented before. [14:24] <JaneMarple9> what a shamesmile probably could whip up a good potion to remove the headache! [14:24] <becky920> Lol, Sooner [14:25] <futureweasley> that's not all Sooner [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:25] <DumbleDebbie> excuses, excuses Sooner [14:25] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:25] <SillyPutty> brb gonna make my lunch [14:25] <Aislinn> I think it points out how ineffective Snape is at getting what he wants by doing things the way he does - he is looking for respect and recognition and gets this treatment instead - in part brought on by hhis own choices [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> wb hf [14:25] <fawkes28> that's why it's better to read the books than the movies smile [14:25] <JaneMarple9> hi hf smile [14:25] <Narya> Good point Aislinn [14:25] <Narya> Snape gets what he deserves [14:25] <futureweasley> yes, fawkes...the books are loads better [14:25] <harryfreak359> thanks [14:25] <JaneMarple9> Oh yes, the books tell us so much more [14:25] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:26] *** isa has quit [Bye] [14:26] <Poet> Yes, we see the same thing with Harry and Snape. Their hatred toward each other creates a cycle of more hate. [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> Snape started it. [14:26] <futureweasley> which is sad...but twistedly humorous [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I agree that he's not going to start his own "how to win friends and influence people" book tour [14:26] <JaneMarple9> And the films leave importent things out...like the Maurders biggrin [14:26] <fawkes28> oh, mr.mcg [14:26] <becky920> lol, Mr McG [14:26] <futureweasley> MrMcG is pointing fingers!!! [14:26] <futureweasley> lol [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> It's true. [14:26] <Ravendor> lol [14:26] <SillyPutty> lol MrMcg [14:26] <DumbleDebbie> lol [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> it is ture [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> Canon. [14:26] <Ravendor> yeah, it is true [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> and true even [14:26] <fawkes28> you have been around future too long smile [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> I can understand why Snape feels that way, though. [14:26] <Aislinn> If you’d been one of the folks tying up Pettigrew, what other steps would you have taken to keep him from transforming? [14:26] <SillyPutty> did he really? or was it both him and James? [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehehe [14:26] <futureweasley> funny...but canon none the less. It came off as very funny to me [14:26] <JaneMarple9> he did start it smile Snape isn't easy to like! [14:26] <Expelliarmas> a stout 2x4 whack to the old noggin should have done it. [14:27] <Poet> If Harry had only sucked up to Draco and then chosen Slytherin wink [14:27] <SillyPutty> confundus charm? [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> we actaully discussed this in room 11 [14:27] <Narya> Probably have put him in a full body bind [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> and Expie;s answer is what we came up with [14:27] <cbm> Stupefy [14:27] <becky920> Um... I think I would have left him as a rat and put him in a cage. [14:27] <DumbleDebbie> put a hole in his nose and run the rope through it? [14:27] <futureweasley> Avada Kedavra [14:27] <futureweasley> I'm kidding [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:27] <fawkes28> lol future [14:27] <SillyPutty> lol... [14:27] <MrMcGonagall> I would haave made him transform then put him in a jar, like Rita. Hehe. [14:27] <Poet> There had to have been something better than what Lupin and Sirius did to him. They knew he could transform. [14:27] <JaneMarple9> I don't know but definatly make a better jinx [14:27] <SillyPutty> Studfy and a full body binding [14:27] <becky920> And I don't think I would have tied him to Ron and Lupin. Harry and Sirius or Harry and Hermione would have been better choices. [14:27] <Poet> Perfect MrMcGonagall [14:27] <fawkes28> nice, mr.mcg! [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> nope, the 2x4 is the correct answer [14:27] <futureweasley> bat bogey hex? [14:27] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:27] <JaneMarple9> no Future, AK would fit lovely biggrin [14:28] <Expelliarmas> he should have been knocked stupid and call it a day [14:28] <Aislinn> yeah, I think they should have confunded him or something - to keep him from transforming [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:28] <harryfreak359> testing [14:28] <fawkes28> they werent very effective they should have thought it out more [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I see you hf [14:28] <SillyPutty> maybe thats why hermione did it - she knew the mistake of animagus and ropes [14:28] <JaneMarple9> 10/10 Harryfreak smile [14:28] <fawkes28> hi, hf! smile [14:28] <becky920> No one was really thinking clearly that night, though [14:28] <harryfreak359> yeah smile [14:28] <futureweasley> I'm sure it would have been difficult to transform into a bat when a bat is coming out of your nose [14:28] <Poet> Yes, that Hermione is a smart one [14:28] <harryfreak359> just having some troubles today [14:28] <futureweasley> maybe petrificus totalus [14:28] <SillyPutty> sadly so smart the DE are using her skills to fight back! [14:28] <JaneMarple9> Yes Hermione could have done a better jinx [14:28] <Aislinn> It’s plain Harry need not live with the Dursleys for the entire summer. Would Dumbledore have allowed Harry to live with Sirius? [14:28] * SoonerGryffindor is stil liking Expie's 2x4 method the best [14:29] <Expelliarmas> oh, petrifucus would have been good too [14:29] <becky920> I don't know. [14:29] <Narya> I don't think he would have - the protection wouldn't have been in place if he had [14:29] <futureweasley> I don't think so either [14:29] <JaneMarple9> I think he would have done [14:29] <Expelliarmas> but the 2x4 would have been cathartic [14:29] <SillyPutty> Not right away... but he wouldn't really have a say would he? [14:29] <MrMcGonagall> I think he could have spent a good bit of the summer with Sirius. [14:29] <Aislinn> I kind of doubt it as well [14:29] <fawkes28> hmmm maybe that summer but once voldemort was back i don't know [14:29] <Poet> No, but perhaps he could have visited [14:29] <becky920> I think he could have visited Sirius, but a long-term deal probably wouldn't have been a good idea [14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think DD would not have allowed it [14:29] <Aislinn> What kind of guardian would Sirius have been for Harry? [14:29] <cbm> I do not think he would have a choice, if Sirius was the choice of James and Lily [14:29] <JaneMarple9> but maybe with a little bit of magic or somebody else to keep a eye on them [14:29] <futureweasley> there was a lot of uncertainty, and Sirius had no parenting experience whatsoever [14:29] <fawkes28> it would have been his friend not his guardian [14:29] <Poet> Harry needs to call the Dursleys' home [14:29] <cbm> More a friend than a parent [14:30] <MrMcGonagall> to be honest, I think Sirius might have been a bad influence. [14:30] <JaneMarple9> a fun one...not exactly a responsible one smile [14:30] <fawkes28> we already know he wanted him to be a james, the second [14:30] <futureweasley> it took Sirius a long time to see Harry as Harry...not James [14:30] <Ravendor> yeah [14:30] <Narya> I think Sirius would have done really well, but then I'm biased .. but at least his heart was in the right place and he loved Harry like a son [14:30] <harryfreak359> I think he would had have more of a brothe like relationship with Harry [14:30] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, Jane. [14:30] <SillyPutty> ah good point Poet [14:30] <Ravendor> if he had raised Harry from the start, he might've done ok [14:30] <fawkes28> yes, ravendor [14:30] <Poet> It would have been a better home than the Dursleys. Perhaps they could have practiced spells and stuff to help Harry get ahead. [14:30] <JaneMarple9> I think Sirius always considered Harry to be like James [14:31] <futureweasley> a box on the sidewalk would have been a better home than the Dursleys [14:31] <harryfreak359> yeah I think so too [14:31] <fawkes28> it would have been fun to read about [14:31] <JaneMarple9> sometimes he wanted Harry to be more like his father [14:31] <Narya> To be like him, yes - but he knew he wasn't [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Harry could not have stayed with Sirius because the magic would have know that he no longer considered #4PD his home [14:31] <MrMcGonagall> Ok, ladies, how many of you would feel comfortable leaving your husband to take care of the children for a week without you? [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:31] <futureweasley> I agree Sooner [14:31] <Aislinn> I do think that he was acting more like a friend and brother, than father figure to Harry [14:31] <fawkes28> lol at least he has the protection at the dursley's even if they are horrible [14:31] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [14:31] <SillyPutty> i think Harry wouldn't of had the sense of justice with sirius influence [14:32] <fawkes28> hi islwyn! [14:32] <Islwyn13> Heya, Fawkes! [14:32] <Ravendor> hey, Islwyn [14:32] <Aislinn> Ooh, excellent point sooner [14:32] <futureweasley> it's all in Harry's state of mind...that's where the magic lies. [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> and because of that, his protection would have been null and void [14:32] <Islwyn13> I'm gonna be back and forth, so if I ignore you, I'm not REALLY ignoring you smile [14:32] <SillyPutty> islwyn islwyin! [14:32] <Narya> I think Harry would have been just the same, Sirius or not [14:32] <Expelliarmas> so Harry would not have called #4PD "home"? [14:32] <Islwyn13> Heya, Ravendor and SillyPutty smile [14:32] <JaneMarple9> I don't think men are as good as taking care of children...no offense to "stay at home dads" [14:32] <futureweasley> he sees Hogwart's as his home, but knows that the Dursleys is his "home away from home" [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> not in his heart [14:32] <MrMcGonagall> He already doesn't really "call" it home. [14:32] <JaneMarple9> Hi islwyn [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> but he does [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> becaue it is the only place he really had to go to [14:33] <harryfreak359> hi Islwyn! [14:33] <fawkes28> he needs to for the magic to work [14:33] <Aislinn> yes, he would have thought of his home with Sirius as his true home [14:33] <SillyPutty> he says he doesn't want to go home to the dursleys at the holidays [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, and then the magic would not have worked [14:33] <Islwyn13> Heya, Jane and harryfreak! Gotta step away already...motherhood calls...be back in a few [14:33] <harryfreak359> yep [14:33] <becky920> gotta run guys [14:33] <becky920> it's been fun [14:33] <harryfreak359> bye becky [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> correct, he doesnt want ot go back there, but he still considers it where he ives [14:33] *** becky920 has quit [Bye] [14:33] <fawkes28> bye becky! [14:33] <Expelliarmas> Sirius' home would have been heaven compared to the Dursleys. [14:33] <Ravendor> bye, becky [14:33] <JaneMarple9> tc becky [14:33] <Poet> But Harry knows that Hogwarts isn't his home once he leaves school...of course eventually he'll have his own home [14:33] <SillyPutty> yep [14:33] <Narya> A real home is where love is, and there's no love for Harry at the Dursleys [14:33] <MrMcGonagall> It's his owl address during the summer. [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [14:33] <SillyPutty> ah! but its where his blood is... [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [14:34] <Narya> Only part of the story though [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> For what that's worth . . . which is a lot. [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> but living with Sirius would have messed all of that up [14:34] <Aislinn> Back to Hogwarts, that fateful night: Why didn’t Lupin’s werewolf bites turn Sirius into a werewolf? [14:34] <Narya> Yes, true [14:34] <Poet> I disagree. Even if you wish you could divorce your parents, where they live is still home, even once you have your own apartment.. [14:34] *** Inkreader13 has joined #lounge [14:34] <SillyPutty> so could of Petunia have some love for Harry? blood isn't everything in protect... [14:34] <JaneMarple9> No, there's no love at Privet Drive, but he still sort of belongs there [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> Doesn't affect animals. [14:34] *** Inkreader13 has quit [Bye] [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I remember reading that as well Mr M [14:34] <JaneMarple9> Maybe it doesn't affect animaguses? [14:35] <Ravendor> yeah, me too, Sooner [14:35] *** Inkreader13 has joined #lounge [14:35] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [14:35] <cbm> Sirius said it would not affect anamagi [14:35] <fawkes28> i know but he is not really an animal i wondered that [14:35] <Poet> Lupins says in the Shack, yes that they became animagi because it only affects humans [14:35] <Aislinn> so being a dog meant he was protected then? [14:35] <Poet> So all animals are safe [14:35] <Ravendor> yeah [14:35] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn..that's what I understood [14:35] <cbm> yes This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Oct 1 2006, 12:20 AM |
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[14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I guess that means that they are the actual animals when they are transforme
[14:35] <MrMcGonagall> Well, the point is that he really is an animal with a wizard soul. [14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> eys [14:35] <SillyPutty> i think so [14:35] <Expelliarmas> shame really, Peter deserved a bite [14:35] <harryfreak359> I thiink so [14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:35] <fawkes28> strange things happen in this wizarding world [14:35] <Aislinn> Why did Hermione follow Harry to the Lake when he rushes to help Sirius? [14:35] <Poet> Their thoughts are even more simple when they are transformed [14:35] <SillyPutty> lol [14:36] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe if he'd been stuck in a full Body Bind. [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> because she is Hermione [14:36] <cbm> to protect him [14:36] <JaneMarple9> biggrin yes, Peter deserved a bite [14:36] <fawkes28> wanted to help him [14:36] <Ravendor> to help [14:36] <SillyPutty> I second sooner [14:36] <Inkreader13> Because she wanted to help him somehow and wouldn't leave him alone [14:36] <MrMcGonagall> She wasn't going to let him go alone. [14:36] <Poet> I was surprised she didn't stay with the knocked out Ron and Snape [14:36] <JaneMarple9> She doesn't really trust Black? [14:36] <Aislinn> that's what I think too, to help [14:36] <Expelliarmas> not to protect Harry, but to help him perhpas. [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the fact that she rushed thre after him [14:36] <futureweasley> she was interested to see what Harry's plan was...and if she could be of assistance [14:36] <fawkes28> maybe, jane [14:36] <MrMcGonagall> We see lots of rushing to the rescue in PoA. [14:36] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that was great how she jumped in to help [14:36] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe if everybody just stopped running around .. . smile [14:36] <Inkreader13> maybe she wanted to make sure he didn't do anything stupid [14:36] <fawkes28> i think she didn't want the dementors to kiss sirius [14:37] <Aislinn> we do, Mr McG [14:37] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [14:37] <Expelliarmas> I don't think she knew of the dementors, but she wanted to help out [14:37] <fawkes28> hi theoriser [14:37] <Aislinn> What would have been Hermione’s happy thought to create her Patronus? [14:37] <Ravendor> hey, theoriser [14:37] <Expelliarmas> hello, Theoriser [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome theoriser [14:37] <Theoriser> hi everyone [14:37] <Aislinn> Theoriser! [14:37] <futureweasley> hi Theoriser [14:37] <JaneMarple9> It is hard to trust someone who you've believed to be a killer...even if he'd been cleared [14:37] <fawkes28> get's A's on the exams [14:37] <Theoriser> ooh fun question! [14:37] <SillyPutty> kissing krum [14:37] <JaneMarple9> Hi Theoriser [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the day she found out she was a witch would have done it [14:37] <SillyPutty> oh wait to early... [14:37] <Poet> Of course she didn't know Krum wink [14:37] <MrMcGonagall> Hasn't happened yet. [14:38] <futureweasley> lol, Ron...duh [14:38] <fawkes28> lol [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> she didnt kiss krum yet [14:38] <Expelliarmas> no Krum isn't until GOF [14:38] <cbm> good ? Getting 320% on Muggle Studies exa [14:38] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that's probably true Sooner (the witch part) [14:38] <Poet> I think by looking at her boggart we can get a sense of what her happy thought was ... school related [14:38] <Theoriser> maybe passing all her exams with full marks? [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol cbm, that too [14:38] <JaneMarple9> yes easy to guess Hermione's boggart [14:38] <Aislinn> What bad memories do you think Hermione relive because of the dementors? [14:38] <Poet> Yes, since boggart McGonagall had said she'd failed [14:38] <SillyPutty> I know... I was joking... tongue [14:38] <futureweasley> maybe she thought of the day Harry and Ron saved her from the Mountain Troll...the day their friendship really began [14:38] <Inkreader13> maybe just not failing at stuff. getting good grades, finding a spell to help Harry, stuff like that [14:39] <SillyPutty> her fights with Ron [14:39] <JaneMarple9> Being accepted at Hogwarts? [14:39] <fawkes28> oh yes, the fights with the boys [14:39] <fawkes28> maybe not always being accepted by the girls [14:39] <cbm> Halloween and the troll [14:39] <futureweasley> being Petrified [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> being an outcast among her peers? [14:39] <Inkreader13> I think she remembers in book one when they were after snape [14:39] <Expelliarmas> yes, getting Harry and Ron would be good. [14:39] <Poet> Classes she was late too, answers she'd gotten wrong, missing her charms class when she overslept [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> the whole time she and Ron fought that year? [14:39] <DumbleDebbie> oo good oen future [14:39] <JaneMarple9> Or the mountain troll one is a good one [14:39] <Ravendor> we never really hear of her home life, so maybe something there, before Hogwarts [14:39] <Theoriser> good idea sooner, I think I'd agree [14:39] <Aislinn> I think that is probably part of it debbie [14:39] <MrMcGonagall> That's kind of sad if your worst memory is missing a Charms lesson. [14:39] <Expelliarmas> maybe why she spends so very little time with her own family [14:39] <cbm> What ron said at Halloween the first year [14:39] <Poet> The chess game when Ron was injured? [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:40] <futureweasley> oooh Poet... [14:40] <fawkes28> maybe being in a muggle school and being "different" [14:40] <SillyPutty> lol McG - reminder don't dirnk soda during chats [14:40] <futureweasley> that's a good one [14:40] <JaneMarple9> being petrified is a good one and helping Harry find the Philospher's stone [14:40] <cbm> the Chess game is good too [14:40] <Poet> Yes, if I'd been petrified when seeing a basilisk, I'd have nightmares about that one [14:40] <Aislinn> Why did Harry’s happy thought of going to live with Sirius, leaving the Dursleys, not produce a strong enough Patronus? [14:40] <DumbleDebbie> she was probably bullied at her muggle school for being a 'know it all' [14:40] <Poet> It was merely a hope of things to come [14:40] <MrMcGonagall> It was a pretty new thing for him to take in. [14:40] <SillyPutty> because it wasn't real enough... [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> it wold have given me lots of hope [14:41] <Inkreader13> because it hadn't happened yet [14:41] <DumbleDebbie> rather than a memory, true Poet [14:41] <fawkes28> because it didn't happen yet and there were far too many dementors surrounding them [14:41] <futureweasley> there was doubt in his heart and in his mind that it wasn't going to happen [14:41] <Theoriser> it was so soon that he didn't really believe it, it wasn't real enough for him to accept it [14:41] <SillyPutty> hope but not happiness yet... [14:41] <JaneMarple9> because although he really wanted to leave the Dursleys, something is stopping him leaving completely [14:41] <fawkes28> he had just learned it and was still very young [14:41] <SillyPutty> nothing to really anchor the feelings in [14:41] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's a bit like the Cedirc-dying-and-the-thestrals thing. [14:41] <JaneMarple9> We learn what later [14:41] <cbm> Leaving 12 years of abuse to live with his Parent's best friend, I can see him being happy [14:41] <Poet> But I think it was because all of the dementors were right on top of him. When he made them flee he was across the lake from them, they weren't baring down on him - he was at a safe distance then [14:41] <Aislinn> I think that it would have been almost impossible for anyone to create a Patronus against that many Dementors [14:41] <fawkes28> it's extremely rare for a 13 year old to be able to produce one [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> aha, but he did [14:42] <futureweasley> he didn't have enough time to clear his mind and concentrate [14:42] <JaneMarple9> Yes it would be pretty hard, yes Aislinn [14:42] <SillyPutty> it shows his true strength... [14:42] <fawkes28> maybe just dumbeldore smile [14:42] <JaneMarple9> Yes...the second time around smile [14:42] <Expelliarmas> maybe the thought was happy but it was not as strong as a memory of a happy event; something he actually experiences. [14:42] <Poet> Yes, I agree Aislinn - when the dementors are right on you, it's close to impossible. [14:42] <futureweasley> (laughs at the idea of Harry clearing his mind...he just can't do that) [14:42] <SillyPutty> DD scares demenotrs and makes them relive their bad memories [14:42] <fawkes28> lol [14:42] <Inkreader13> lol [14:43] <Aislinn> How hard was it for you to read the moments as the dementor attempted to give Harry its kiss? Why? [14:43] <fawkes28> also he had only gotten that information minutes before the dementors came [14:43] <JaneMarple9> Lots of things in Harry's mind he definately needs a pensieve [14:43] <MrMcGonagall> That freaked me out incrediblyt. [14:43] <SoonerGryffindor> it was creepy [14:43] <Expelliarmas> the description was so vivid; could almost feel the putrid breath of the dementor. [14:43] <fawkes28> oh, it seemed like it was all over because we didn't know about the timeturner [14:43] <Poet> The description of the skin stretched over their eye hole area was pretty gross. [14:43] <harryfreak359> Eek! [14:43] <SillyPutty> i didn't notice until someone pointed it out? j/k [14:43] <MrMcGonagall> The only creepier thing thus far, imo, is Voldemort's rebirth. [14:43] <futureweasley> he's too vulnerable...and so child-like in his attempt to save someone he hardly knows... [14:43] <SillyPutty> it was weird... and distrubing [14:43] <futureweasley> it's very destressing to me [14:43] <fawkes28> you could see how it was worse than death [14:43] <JaneMarple9> It wasn't really hard for me, I knew that Rowling couldn't leave it there! [14:43] <cbm> No, Unlike book 7 I was sure Harry would survice [14:44] <harryfreak359> Okay, I'll admint it, it wasn't that hard, because I knew he was going to survive [14:44] <futureweasley> lol harryfreak [14:44] <Inkreader13> I didn't find it too hard the first time. I was a little tense, but I was younger, so I dodn't think I understood it as well [14:44] <MrMcGonagall> Jo did a great job describing it. [14:44] <harryfreak359> so, I kind of just didn't pay attention [14:44] <Theoriser> I knew he would survive too, but I did wonder how [14:44] <DumbleDebbie> well by the time I read PoA OotP was released so I knew he'd get out of it [14:44] <JaneMarple9> I knew he would surrive because I had the next book to read biggrin [14:44] <fawkes28> yes, she is great at describing things [14:44] *** Ravendor has quit [Bye] [14:44] <fawkes28> lol [14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I knew he would too because GoF was out, but it was still scart [14:44] <SillyPutty> knew hewould surive but still distrubing [14:44] <JaneMarple9> Oh she's wonderful at describing [14:45] <MrMcGonagall> I loved her description of the dementor attack at the Quidditch match, too. [14:45] <fawkes28> i thought "how is he going to get out of this one" [14:45] <SillyPutty> anything harming children is distrubing [14:45] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [14:45] <Aislinn> Even though I knew he had to make it through, I still thought she built the suspense of it really well [14:45] <DumbleDebbie> they are very creepy [14:45] <MrMcGonagall> She's really got those dementors down. A veritable Arabella Figg is our Jo. [14:45] *** Islwyn13 left #lounge [] [14:45] <futureweasley> 15 minute warning already?! [14:45] <SillyPutty> lol [14:45] <fawkes28> lol [14:45] <JaneMarple9> The best descriptions were in the Shieking shack [14:45] <DumbleDebbie> time flies [14:45] <cbm> this went quick [14:45] <SillyPutty> wow! I should o f been working [14:45] <Expelliarmas> these chats fly by [14:45] *** Ravendor has joined #lounge [14:45] <fawkes28> it goes by too quickly [14:45] <JaneMarple9> Why like Mrs Figg? [14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> too quickly [14:46] <Ravendor> stupid computer... [14:46] <DumbleDebbie> hey Ravendor [14:46] <Aislinn> Did the dementor invoke the paralyzing fear in Harry as part of its power? Or was it just that scary? [14:46] <Ravendor> hey [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> She could describe the effects of dementors so well. [14:46] <JaneMarple9> Ah yes now I get it [14:46] <fawkes28> oh, it was that scary [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's part of the power. all connected [14:46] <futureweasley> I think it's part of their power [14:46] <SillyPutty> i think the memory was that horrible... and the knowledge of what was to come would paralyze anything [14:46] <Poet> It has a power for sure. He feels them even when he can't see them. [14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that's just how a dementor works [14:46] <SillyPutty> or anyone [14:46] <Poet> The same is true for Muggles. [14:46] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think it's the physical part of the Demenotr that has that effect [14:46] <cbm> I think it is both. But remember t is also Harry's worst fear [14:46] <JaneMarple9> Part of the Dementors power I think [14:46] <Ravendor> it'd be pretty scary, but it's probably part of their power [14:46] <DumbleDebbie> it's something more spiritual IMO [14:46] <Inkreader13> I think it was both. he was scared because he might lose the people he loved and the Dementors do make you unhappy [14:47] <fawkes28> plus they affect harry worse than other people [14:47] <Aislinn> Lupin tells Harry why he is affected so strongly, and I can see how having those memories dredged up would paralyze anyone [14:47] <SillyPutty> you can feel it because their effect is depressing but not paralyzing [14:47] <futureweasley> when someone has "true horrors in their past"...it's makes the Dementors job much easier [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> yes, fw [14:47] <DumbleDebbie> their effects are mostly emotional, internally, [14:47] <JaneMarple9> it must do FW [14:47] <fawkes28> i'm sure they love when harry is around [14:47] <DumbleDebbie> the physical effect is to feel cold [14:47] <SillyPutty> I hate the demenotrs... [14:47] <Expelliarmas> harry is there idea of a buffet [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> They are scary looking, but it's the ability to suck your happiness our of you that's really freaky. [14:47] <futureweasley> hence Harry being so deeply affected...and Ron and Hermione feeling "gloomy" [14:47] <JaneMarple9> they would, Harry's their perfect victim...or so they think smile [14:47] <Expelliarmas> *their [14:47] <Poet> They are also sucking stuff out of you all of the time, until you have no happy thoughts left. You feel drained around them. [14:48] <SillyPutty> having experienced depression on a severe level before - its one of the creations oft he story that made it so real to me... [14:48] <DumbleDebbie> true Jane [14:48] <SoonerGryffindor> eww, Poet, that was a gross description [14:48] <MrMcGonagall> yet true. [14:48] <SoonerGryffindor> but strangely accurate [14:48] <JaneMarple9> I would love to know what Dudley saw in book 5, although I know we're not to discuss future books [14:48] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:48] <SillyPutty> the effect they have is exactly what it feels like... its hard to read their effect [14:48] <Aislinn> When reading Jo’s description of the dementor, I’m reminded of Edvard Munch’s The Scream. Much creepier though. What were your thoughts as you read that description? [14:48] <DumbleDebbie> true Sillly [14:49] <fawkes28> i think they definitely made the books darker [14:49] <cbm> I shuddered the first time I read it. [14:49] <Ravendor> it was creepy [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> that woudl be hard as I think that what Jo meant them to be the embodiment of [14:49] <SillyPutty> I need more happy thoughts because if anything in the series in real these things are [14:49] <JaneMarple9> The books do get darker as they go on [14:49] <harryfreak359> I thought of the ring wraiths in LOTR...and that they were really creepy [14:49] <Theoriser> hmm, that's true. I never really thought about them being like The Scream before [14:49] <Inkreader13> I didn't think much, but I could see the face. All gray with little scabs for eyes and a hole for a mouth. it makes me shiver a little [14:49] <MrMcGonagall> They're the most horrible thing Jo has invented yet. Scared me even more than the basilisk, and I have a phobia about snakes. [14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> you know, I think the movie people must have had the same image, cuase that's kinda what they look like under that hood [14:49] <JaneMarple9> I think book 7 needs a health warning smile [14:49] <futureweasley> Dementor breeding was about the nastiest thing I had ever read. The imagery of them sprouting from fermenting plants just made me want to heave [14:49] <Expelliarmas> They were disgusting. Putrid, scabby, hooded. blah. [14:49] <DumbleDebbie> totally like ringwraiths [14:50] <Aislinn> yes, I think they are the scariest thing she has created [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> or the grim reaper [14:50] <Poet> Yes [14:50] <JaneMarple9> No Voldemort is the scariest thing she's created...or Umbridge smile [14:50] <cbm> agreed [14:50] <SillyPutty> I tried not to picture them... but it did help me thru my depression - we used their description in therapy.. [14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> my vote is for Umridge [14:50] <MrMcGonagall> I'll give you Umbridge. [14:50] <MrMcGonagall> :) [14:50] <cbm> I think that are scarier then voldemort [14:50] <DumbleDebbie> ew future [14:50] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [14:50] <SillyPutty> I agree with cbm... [14:50] <fawkes28> i think so too, cbm [14:51] <DumbleDebbie> or Snape (just kidding Sooner) ;) [14:51] <Aislinn> Umbridge is the most evil thing she has created [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> the idea of Umbridge is scarier to, but that's not for this chat [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Hey!!! [14:51] <harryfreak359> I think they are creepier than Voldemort [14:51] <SillyPutty> because Voldemort is a tyrant - we learn about them. Umbridge is just nasty... [14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:51] <harryfreak359> lol [14:51] <DumbleDebbie> :D [14:51] <JaneMarple9> Hmm perhaps they are scarier. [14:51] <SillyPutty> but Dementors are more real then the other two combined for me... [14:51] <harryfreak359> Voldemort is human [14:51] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think the dementors freak me out even more than V. [14:51] <Aislinn> I do too harryfreak [14:51] <harryfreak359> they aren't [14:51] <SillyPutty> which makes them not so much as scarier but worse [14:51] <JaneMarple9> Than Voldemort that is. Yes [14:51] <MrMcGonagall> I can pity Voldemort. [14:51] <harryfreak359> yes [14:52] <Inkreader13> I think their the scariest thing in all the books. I'd never want to meet one [14:52] <futureweasley> you can, MrMcG? [14:52] <JaneMarple9> No one can pity Voldemort smile [14:52] <SillyPutty> You can fight people like Volde or Umbridge but it is so har dto fight the effects of a demenotr [14:52] <harryfreak359> I can too MrMcG [14:52] <MrMcGonagall> He's a sad wreck of a man. Dementors just are scary creatures. [14:52] <cbm> The description of the kiss was wow, all of her dementor descritions were very well done [14:52] <Inkreader13> I can pity him a little, but only when he was younger [14:52] <Aislinn> Why do you suppose Peter went into Voldemort’s service? Was he tricked or forced? Or, did he go voluntarily? [14:52] <fawkes28> people pity voldemort but not snape? ah! [14:52] <cbm> He had nowhere else to go [14:52] <JaneMarple9> or perhaps you can. He's not very lovable. Yes, when he was younger perhaps [14:52] <SillyPutty> I don't pity him... I don't really care about him... I don't know why... [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> voluntarily [14:53] <MrMcGonagall> Now, maybe being kissed by Voldemort. . . that could be the scariest thing ever. Ewww. [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> you always have a choice. Even dying is a choice [14:53] <Expelliarmas> he went voluntarily; I think he sought out LV [14:53] <DumbleDebbie> right Sooner [14:53] <Theoriser> I think he was jealous of James and Sirius and Remus, so he wanted to get back at them by being better than them [14:53] <Aislinn> I think he decided to go [14:53] <fawkes28> i think he sought him out too [14:53] <harryfreak359> I think he went in voluntarily because he knew Voldemort was more powerful than his friends and of course that appealed to him [14:53] <Poet> Too true. He dug himself in too deep and didn't know where else to turn [14:53] <SillyPutty> I know he is evil but he is just one of meany [14:53] <Inkreader13> Peter wanted to go to him because at the time it was the best way to stay on top and not be killed [14:53] <JaneMarple9> I think he went voluntarily [14:53] <fawkes28> he was tired of no one looking at him [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> it was voluntarily [14:53] <futureweasley> I think it was like young people who join gangs...they were mistreated by people they admired, then the only alternative that shows up is a bad one [14:53] <SillyPutty> Peter was found and offered power over the people that treated him like crap [14:53] <MrMcGonagall> I think a little of both. [14:53] <fawkes28> he wanted to show everyone that he could be powerful too [14:53] <JaneMarple9> He wanted to help Voldemort defeat the Potters [14:53] <Poet> The first time, he said that Voldemort was taking over everywhere. [14:53] <SillyPutty> so he went [14:53] *** Quinera has joined #lounge [14:54] <futureweasley> it's the same mentality, really [14:54] <MrMcGonagall> It didn't involve a lot of arm-twisting. [14:54] <fawkes28> then i think he got in over his head and couldn't back down because he was a chicken [14:54] <Aislinn> I don't think it was about him trying to show he was powerful [14:54] <Poet> So it seems to me he thought it was only a matter of time before the Ministry and normal order of things crumbled. [14:54] <JaneMarple9> no...he was a rat biggrin [14:54] <Aislinn> I think he was just trying to look out for his own lousy skin [14:54] <Inkreader13> lol [14:54] <Expelliarmas> he wanted reflected power; and LV had plenty [14:54] <SillyPutty> exactly... [14:54] <futureweasley> you fight so hard to get "in" with the group you feel you belong in...you are schuned, then you are accepted by people who turn out to only want to use you [14:54] <fawkes28> i think he was always in everyone's shadows and was tired of it [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he is just messed up in the head [14:54] <Ravendor> I agree, fawkes [14:54] <futureweasley> people would rather be used than ignored [14:54] <SillyPutty> he is still in shadows [14:55] <JaneMarple9> He wanted to be on the more powerful side [14:55] <Poet> Yes, I think he thought it was a way of protecting himself. He was putting himself above others and above what was good and right. [14:55] <SillyPutty> he will always be in shadows [14:55] <Aislinn> he wanted to stay alive and be in a position of relative safety - on what he perceived as the winning side [14:55] <JaneMarple9> Yes Peter's still around somewhere [14:55] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he has turned completely to the evil side. He just did what was easy. [14:55] <SillyPutty> he had no loyalty [14:55] <Aislinn> I don't think he was shunned by the Maurauders FW [14:55] <DumbleDebbie> I'm eagerly awaiting his proving the Sorting Hat right [14:55] <futureweasley> Peter was neglected, and then brainwashed...it's a bad combo [14:55] <Expelliarmas> doing what's easy is a big motivator for a guy like Peter [14:55] <JaneMarple9> He doesn't understand the word loyalty [14:55] <fawkes28> true, he probably thought if he stuck with lily and james he would be dead pretty quickly [14:55] <SillyPutty> he was willing to have a child be killed to keep himself safe... [14:55] *** Carlise145 has joined #lounge [14:56] <Expelliarmas> he wasn't brainwashed [14:56] <fawkes28> and his friends! [14:56] <harryfreak359> Yes Future [14:56] <JaneMarple9> I wonder what house Peter was in? [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Gryff [14:56] <SillyPutty> Gryffindor [14:56] <cbm> Gryff [14:56] <DumbleDebbie> gryffindor [14:56] <Aislinn> he was a Gryffindor [14:56] <Ravendor> I've always thought Gryffindor [14:56] <futureweasley> I do Aislinn...I think he was the brunt of most jokes... [14:56] <harryfreak359> Do we know that for sure? [14:56] <Expelliarmas> he knew exactly what he was doing when he went into LV's service. [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, [14:56] <MrMcGonagall> Oddly enough, there's not specific canon. [14:56] <DumbleDebbie> I think Jo said so [14:56] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [14:56] <futureweasley> I think their caring behind that [14:56] <harryfreak359> hmm...okay [14:56] <DumbleDebbie> hi Evreka! [14:56] <JaneMarple9> Be interesting if he wasn't [14:56] <Evreka> Hi [14:56] <Aislinn> too much is made of a single memory [14:56] <Ravendor> hey, Evreka [14:56] <MrMcGonagall> Actually, she didn't, but I think it could be presumed. [14:57] <Aislinn> Hi Evreka [14:57] <fawkes28> i bet the sorting hat had to think about that one [14:57] <MrMcGonagall> It came up n in our reading group. [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Evreka [14:57] <Evreka> =) [14:57] <futureweasley> this was a great chat, guys!! [14:57] <cbm> Peter is not cunning, not loyal, not smart, maybe he was just a little bit brave. That is what I always thought [14:57] <Evreka> What are you discussing? [14:57] <SillyPutty> yeah it was... i don't wann go back to work [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> oh man, hard to believe the chat is already over sad [14:57] <Carlise145> is it over alreayd? [14:57] <futureweasley> thanks for joining us!! [14:57] <Ravendor> yeah sad [14:57] <fawkes28> oh no, time is almost up sad [14:57] <Poet> Yes, Jo listed Peter, James, Sirius, and then one of them a second time - in an interview as being Gryffindor. I think it was one of the online chats [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> we were disucssing chapters 19 and 20 Evreka [14:57] <Evreka> Oh, I was way too late [14:57] <JaneMarple9> sad [14:57] <Expelliarmas> well, yes. [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> Alas, yes. [14:58] <Aislinn> the questioner misppoke, but I think her answer was directed at all the Maurauders [14:58] <DumbleDebbie> so it's just assumed he was Gryff, cause he hung out with the others? [14:58] <Carlise145> same here [14:58] <Inkreader13> it was fun! [14:58] * futureweasley starts wrangling up the CB chatters for a group hug! [14:58] <Poet> Hi Evreka! [14:58] *** atschpe has joined #lounge [14:58] <JaneMarple9> At least I got a little bit of he chatbiggrin [14:58] * fawkes28 joins group hug [14:58] <Evreka> Jo has stated all of them were in Gryff [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> We did a search in Quick Quotes and couldn't find anything. [14:58] * harryfreak359 is almost suffocated [14:58] <Ravendor> me/ joins group hug [14:58] <Ravendor> lol, oops [14:58] <SoonerGryffindor> okay guys,, guess what time it is??????????? [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> Yay, group hugs! [14:58] * futureweasley supplies harryfreak with an oxygen mask [14:58] * JaneMarple9 gets ready for the group hugs [14:59] <Aislinn> I can find the quote for you Mr McG [14:59] *** Quinera has quit [Bye] [14:59] <Evreka> urgh [14:59] <SillyPutty> Miller time? [14:59] <DumbleDebbie> glad you made it Evreka, at least for a bit [14:59] <Poet> I'll find it too smile [14:59] *** atschpe has quit [Bye] [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> GROUP HUG!!!!!!!! [14:59] <SillyPutty> Bed time? [14:59] <futureweasley> that's for Prophecy sillyputty! [14:59] <cbm> the lexicon will have i, and the source for the info [14:59] <JaneMarple9> Hug time biggrin [14:59] <Inkreader13> I wish it wouldn't end [14:59] <Carlise145> joins the hug [14:59] <Poet> And be sure to stop by tomorrow for P3 [14:59] <DumbleDebbie> howdy dooty time? [14:59] * SoonerGryffindor runs into the hug [14:59] * futureweasley is really feeling the love [14:59] <Evreka> me too [14:59] <fawkes28> lol right we can have a real group hug in a few months! smile [14:59] <Poet> Discussing the Department of Mysteries [14:59] <cbm> have it] [14:59] <SillyPutty> I'll try to make it... [14:59] <futureweasley> yeah P3 tomorrow is going to rock! [14:59] * DumbleDebbie joins in the fun [14:59] <MrMcGonagall> That would be great Aislinn I thought she had said something, but couldn't find the proof. [15:00] <Poet> See you all later! [15:00] <SillyPutty> what time>? [15:00] * JaneMarple9 hugs everyone especailly FW and Sooner smile [15:00] <harryfreak359> heheh [15:00] <harryfreak359> the time you kick us out? [15:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [15:00] <DumbleDebbie> yay Fawkes [15:00] <futureweasley> aww [15:00] <cbm> bye [15:00] <MrMcGonagall> Hugs for everyone. [15:00] * SoonerGryffindor and has future and Expie and Aislinn help her push everyone out [15:00] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [15:00] <Evreka> bye then [15:00] * futureweasley pinches jane's cheek [15:00] <Theoriser> bye everyone! [15:00] <cbm> what is p3 [15:00] <Carlise145> bye everyone [15:00] <fawkes28> lol bye everyone! muah! smile [15:00] <JaneMarple9> Be back tomorrow for my favourite PPP! [15:00] <SillyPutty> bye! IT WAS GREAT chatting with everyone [15:00] <Poet> So long, farewell.... [15:00] <futureweasley> bye guys [15:00] <futureweasley> see you tomorrow [15:00] <Evreka> see you [15:01] <DumbleDebbie> why are you always pusing? ;) [15:01] <Inkreader13> bye [15:01] <Aislinn> see you all tomorrow [15:01] *** Carlise145 has quit [Bye] [15:01] <Ravendor> bye, everyone! It was fun smile [15:01] <Inkreader13> thanks for the hugs [15:01] * SoonerGryffindor waves tbye to everyone [15:01] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [15:01] *** SillyPutty has quit [Bye] [15:01] *** Evreka left #lounge [] [15:01] <JaneMarple9> Take care all [15:01] *** Ravendor left #lounge [] [15:01] <DumbleDebbie> have nice dall y'all [15:01] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:01] <Poet> Just click on that little "X" above our names on teh right [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> bye [15:01] <MrMcGonagall> auf wiedersehen, goodbye! [15:01] <futureweasley> bye guys! [15:01] * Expelliarmas oof [15:01] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:01] * futureweasley reached over for Sooner and puts her in a headlock [15:01] <Poet> Adieu, adieu, to yew and yew and yew [15:02] *** Inkreader13 has quit [Bye] [15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [15:02] * SoonerGryffindor hexes future [15:02] <futureweasley> a new end of chat tradition!! [15:02] *** cbm left #lounge [] [15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [15:02] <futureweasley> noogies!! [15:02] * Poet loves Snape despite his horridness [15:02] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [15:02] * SoonerGryffindor hugs Poet for that comment [15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, its just us now [15:02] <Poet> Bedtime for Saree. [15:02] <Expelliarmas> bye everyone [15:03] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [15:04] *** Theoriser has quit [Bye] [15:04] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Oct 1 2006, 12:19 AM |
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