Reading Group Chat Transcript 10/21, The Bridge between PoA and GoF |
 Oct 21 2006, 02:34 PM
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[12:53] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:54] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Reading Group Chat - The Bridge Between PoA and GoF (Aislinn) [12:56] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:57] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [12:57] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [12:58] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [12:59] <fawkes28> made it [12:59] <futureweasley> well, hello Fawkes [13:00] <futureweasley> fancy meeting you here [13:00] <fawkes28> long time no see [13:00] <fawkes28> it's been too long [13:00] <Aislinn> lol [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:00] *** morsel has joined #lounge [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome morsel [13:01] <morsel> hi there! [13:01] <futureweasley> hiya Morsel [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> signed up for a RG yet? [13:01] *** kati has joined #lounge [13:01] <morsel> Just lurking to get the feel of things [13:01] <futureweasley> hi kati [13:01] <morsel> yes, actually, although I did it accidentally. tongue [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> well we're glad you stopped in [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:01] <kati> hi [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> what room did you get? [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hi kati [13:02] <Aislinn> hi folks! [13:02] *** danae24 has joined #lounge [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hi danae [13:02] <morsel> chamber 37 [13:02] <danae24> Hi! [13:02] <futureweasley> hi danae [13:02] <morsel> down the crooked corridor [13:02] <futureweasley> a fellow Room 10'er!! [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> that will be a good room [13:02] <danae24> yay, a chamber 37 fellow!!! [13:02] <kati> i'm in the atrium [13:02] *** Knight62442 has joined #lounge [13:02] <morsel> wish I had signed up for the POA group, that is my favorite book. [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> just dont be intimidated by the amount of posters, none of us bite too much [13:02] <futureweasley> LUCKY kati [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> oh kati, you will like the atrium, [13:02] <futureweasley> you will LOVE expelliarmas [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> our own expie runs that place [13:02] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:03] <futureweasley> harryfreak!! [13:03] <danae24> I'm with morsel, on chamber 37 [13:03] <fawkes28> hi, hf! [13:03] <danae24> hi hf!!! [13:03] * futureweasley hugs harryfreak [13:03] <Knight62442> Hiya Sooner [13:03] <harryfreak359> hi guys! [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome hf [13:03] <kati> i hope so, i don't recognize any names there yet [13:03] <futureweasley> harryfreak, which RG did you get?! [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hi knight [13:03] * harryfreak359 hugs futureweasley [13:03] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [13:03] <Knight62442> Which group are you in Sooner/ [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> room 18 [13:04] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:04] *** GadgetDon has joined #lounge [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> the atrium will rock! [13:04] <danae24> how many rooms are there??? [13:04] <Knight62442> Ah, I am in Chamber 13 [13:04] <harryfreak359> testing [13:04] <futureweasley> hi Gadget [13:04] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [13:04] <morsel> heh I was wondering the same thing [13:04] <futureweasley> hi harryfreak [13:04] *** cbm has joined #lounge [13:04] <Knight62442> Poor harryfreak [13:04] <fawkes28> hi cbm [13:04] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:04] <GadgetDon> Hi! Room 18 for me, and I signed up this morning [13:04] <cbm> hi [13:04] *** cairadawn has joined #lounge [13:04] <futureweasley> hi cbm! [13:04] <harryfreak359> testing [13:04] <futureweasley> hi cairadawn [13:04] <danae24> I know there is room 13, 18, the atrium and the chamber 37........are there any more??? [13:05] <Knight62442> testing one, two [13:05] <futureweasley> you're here harryfreak [13:05] <danae24> hi cairadawn! [13:05] <cairadawn> Hi [13:05] <Knight62442> I didn't hear about 37 [13:05] <cbm> I am in chamber 13 [13:06] <danae24> I'm in chamber 37!!! the crooked corridor!!! [13:06] <morsel> it would be interesting to know not only how many reading groups there are, but also how many people are in each group.. [13:06] <harryfreak359> :D [13:06] <kati> I think the atrium is room 18 [13:06] *** harrypotterfan123 has joined #lounge [13:06] <harryfreak359> What room are you in Future? [13:06] <harrypotterfan123> thank god [13:06] <Knight62442> HeHe Chamber 13 is the deserted corridor [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, the atrium is room 18 [13:06] <harrypotterfan123> i was having trouble getting in [13:06] <cairadawn> I could not wait for this reading group to open...I am in room 007 [13:06] <Knight62442> I hope it doesn't stay deserted smile [13:06] <futureweasley> I'm in Room 10 [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> that will be a fun room as well caira [13:06] <cbm> the listingintroducing the guides has all the groups [13:06] <fawkes28> it will get more filled as the weekend progresses, don't worry [13:06] <harrypotterfan123> i'm in 007 [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> all of the rooms will be fun [13:06] <Aislinn> oh, it won't stay deserted knight [13:07] <cbm> http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?act=a...f=131&id=93 [13:07] <harrypotterfan123> harryfreak what room are you in? [13:07] <Aislinn> people are mostly concerned with getting sorted today [13:07] <danae24> I bet they will.......... I cant wait for the reading to begin....... [13:07] <Aislinn> then they will start posting away [13:07] <harryfreak359> I'm in chamber 13 [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> threa are 5 rooms: 10,13,18,37 and 007 [13:07] <harrypotterfan123> oh i'm 007 [13:07] <futureweasley> I heard that from DumbleDebbie...that will be fun! [13:07] <Knight62442> I just hate that the first week i am traveling with work so I hope my hotel has high speed hook up [13:07] <fawkes28> then there will be a lot of posts to keep up with smile [13:07] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [13:07] <cairadawn> At least it will be warm next to the kitchen [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Mr M! [13:07] <harrypotterfan123> i'm in 007, so what does that mean? I'm new to reading groups [13:07] <futureweasley> Hi MrMcG! [13:07] <harryfreak359> lol [13:08] <danae24> Harrypotterfan is in the Bond room! [13:08] <Aislinn> many of them do now knight [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! [13:08] <harryfreak359> hi MrMcG [13:08] <Aislinn> hi Mr M [13:08] <fawkes28> hi mr. mcg! [13:08] <danae24> Hi Mr. M! [13:08] <futureweasley> I'm dying to know which room you got MrMcG [13:08] <harryfreak359> what room are you in MrMcG? [13:08] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [13:08] * SoonerGryffindor waits to hear as well [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Chamber 7 Next to the Kitchen [13:08] <Knight62442> Cool a bond room, let me know if Pierce is running around there [13:08] <futureweasley> hi nympheart [13:08] <cairadawn> It is just you reading group number harry potter fan [13:08] <nympheart> hello [13:08] <futureweasley> Chamber 7 is appropriate for you! [13:08] *** Zaiuksis has joined #lounge [13:08] <futureweasley> next to the Kitchen and all [13:08] <nympheart> I'm 007 too [13:08] <harryfreak359> lol [13:08] <harrypotterfan123> so there are how many rooms? [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> 5 [13:08] <futureweasley> 5 rooms [13:08] <danae24> a lot of 007's in here........ [13:09] <fawkes28> oh, the kitchen! smile [13:09] <harrypotterfan123> everyone is separated then? [13:09] <danae24> anyone else from chamber 37???? [13:09] <cbm> yes, 5 different groups [13:09] *** Zaiuksis has quit [Bye] [13:09] <cairadawn> Oh so I am not alone in 007 Great!! [13:09] <cbm> I am in 37 [13:09] * futureweasley gets teary-eyed as she reminisces about the Summer Kitchen [13:09] <harryfreak359> smile [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> but now we have the great hall [13:09] <danae24> yay cbm!!! we are reading group buddies! [13:09] <harryfreak359> happy_crying [13:09] <Aislinn> what's the common room this time? the Great Hall? [13:09] <GadgetDon> This is my first time in a reading group, should be fun [13:09] <fawkes28> we are the great hallers [13:09] <futureweasley> I said that we are Great Hall "Groupies" [13:09] <fawkes28> lol [13:09] <harryfreak359> yeah, it is aislinn [13:09] <futureweasley> GHG's for life, bay! [13:10] <danae24> Yes, Squee for the Great Hall!!! [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [13:10] <futureweasley> *baby! [13:10] <cbm> No, I am in 13, I was in 37, I really need to get this straight! [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> I loved the Summer Kitchen last round, so I'm glad I didn't move too far for my next group! smile [13:10] <harrypotterfan123> is chamber 7 next to the kitchen the same as 007? [13:10] <fawkes28> oh, i like that better, future [13:10] <Aislinn> Great Hall - that's awesome [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> I think so hpfan. [13:10] <harryfreak359> Did you get sorted Aislinn? [13:10] <cairadawn> Yes it is [13:10] <Aislinn> not yet, harryfreak [13:10] <Aislinn> still waiting to hear [13:10] <fawkes28> i think artlady suggested the great hall [13:10] <Knight62442> okay I am behind, is the Great Hall this group's pool and kitchen? [13:10] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> yes KNight [13:11] <Knight62442> Sorry, even though it was nuts, the pool was great [13:11] <fawkes28> and we can't forget about the patio [13:11] <harryfreak359> I wasn't here for the pool sad [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> good times, good times. [13:11] <cairadawn> It was Fun [13:11] <harrypotterfan123> what pool? [13:11] <Knight62442> boo Texas scored [13:11] <harrypotterfan123> i'm so lost [13:11] <cairadawn> People splashing [13:12] <Knight62442> That was the gathering place for the SS reading group [13:12] <harrypotterfan123> oh [13:12] <GadgetDon> There's a common board for all the reading groups. Used to be called the pool last time, as I understand. [13:12] <futureweasley> the Pool was great [13:12] <harrypotterfan123> so is there a meeting place for GoF? [13:12] <GadgetDon> this time, it's the great hall [13:12] <Knight62442> We got to waterproof our books with spells due to all the splashers in the pool [13:12] <futureweasley> I made a "splash", but all is forgiven now [13:12] <futureweasley> lol [13:12] <harrypotterfan123> oh so how do we get to the great hall? [13:12] <Knight62442> and noodle fights lol [13:12] <cairadawn> Oh I kept falling in! [13:12] <harrypotterfan123> i'm SOOO lost [13:12] *** Ditzy_DevilMegz has joined #lounge [13:13] <harryfreak359> it is in the Lily and Stag welcome room [13:13] <MrMcGonagall> I'm just so glad that the groups have started again. It was a long two weeks. [13:13] <nympheart> its ok hpfan [13:13] <futureweasley> it's the Lily & Stag Welcome Room, harrypotterfan [13:13] <GadgetDon> Step one, sort, if yo have't already [13:13] <harrypotterfan123> i feel so stupid right now [13:13] <fawkes28> we'll have to have a thanksgiving parade for our common room smile [13:13] <GadgetDon> Link is to the right. [13:13] *** PolythenePam has joined #lounge [13:13] <futureweasley> you will get familiarized...no worries [13:13] <Knight62442> we will give HPfan a marauder's map [13:13] <futureweasley> DMD was talking about doing a "Homecoming" Parade [13:13] <futureweasley> that would be lots of fun! [13:13] <cairadawn> That would be fun [13:13] <harrypotterfan123> brb guys [13:13] <GadgetDon> You'll have a room chosen for you that represents your group. If you get the same one I'm in, it'll be the atrium [13:14] <harryfreak359> lol [13:14] <harryfreak359> argghhh....lag [13:14] <MrMcGonagall> I'm waiting to see Pleshette again. I'm going to be working on some apple pies this Monday. After posting on the chapters, of course. [13:14] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [13:14] <cairadawn> Or the one near the Kitichen where I am [13:14] <futureweasley> yay for Apple Pie! [13:14] *** PerfectlyMMAD has joined #lounge [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh Mr M, you will have to bring those pies to the great hall [13:14] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:14] <Knight62442> yum apple pies [13:14] <futureweasley> hi PerfectlyMMAD [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Mmad [13:14] <GadgetDon> Everybody loves pies [13:14] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> Emmm do we just talk about anything in here? [13:15] <futureweasley> can I call you MMAD for short? Do you mind? [13:15] <MrMcGonagall> I'll share the recipe once I've figure it out. It's an old family one - no instructions. [13:15] <harryfreak359> Aislinn, you must have given me back the poltergiest... [13:15] <PerfectlyMMAD> Hello future [13:15] <fawkes28> poor, hf! [13:15] *** sajeesh has joined #lounge [13:15] <futureweasley> the questions will start shortly Ditzy [13:15] <kati> I have to go make lunch for my boys-see you all later! [13:15] <SoonerGryffindor> Ditzy, we are getting ready to start [13:15] <futureweasley> hi sajeesh [13:15] <PerfectlyMMAD> nope go ahead [13:15] *** kati left #lounge [] [13:15] <Aislinn> see you kati [13:15] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> ok cause i was kinda lost. [13:15] <Knight62442> homemade crust or roll out (of course if it is an old recipe probably homemade) [13:15] <harrypotterfan123> back [13:15] *** morsel has quit [Bye] [13:15] *** Ditzy_DevilMegz has quit [Bye] [13:16] <danae24> brb [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> Homemade, definitely. With an oatmeal/brown sugar topping. [13:16] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [13:16] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [13:16] *** Ditzy_DevilMegz has joined #lounge [13:16] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:17] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> In PoA, we have some major themes running through it. We learn about Azkaban. Hermione time-traveled and took Harry for a ride. Harry gets the Marauder’s Map from the twins. He gets the ultimate racing broom, a Firebolt, from Sirius. Harry learns how to cast a Patronus charm. The Gryffindor team finally wins the Quidditch Cup. [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry learns about James through Remus and Sirius. Harry meets another former friend of James–Peter Pettigrew. They were all animagi. We learn about Peter’s betrayal. Harry intervenes and prevents Remus and Sirius from killing Peter. Dumbledore tells Harry Peter now owes Harry a life debt–magic at its deepest. [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape was, well, Snape. He was infuriated at being cheated out of an Order of Merlin and the chance to have Sirius and possibly Remus getting a Dementor’s kiss. The MoM fumbled it’s way through the Buckbeak issue. Lucius quietly exercised his influence. Head Boy Percy is pompous and gets a load of NEWTs. [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> In GoF (for which we have the RG sorting today!!!!), a few themes make their way over from PoA. Peter and Sirius make return appearances. We have the MoM organizing two major events, the Quidditch World Cup and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. At the QWC, the Death Eaters parade about in hoods and abuse Muggles [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Lucius’ exercise of influence [smarminess] is no longer hidden away. Percy now works at the Ministry. We have a dance in GOF, and we see Harry noticing Cho Chang a whole lot more. The theme of fathers and sons. Hagrid, as a half-blood, gets outed by Rita Skeeter. [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> So, here we have PoA making way for GoF. Ready to discuss the bridging themes here? Then let’s get to it ... [13:18] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> Aunt Marge addressed the importance of blood in PoA. She thought that “bad blood will out.” Did this seem a bit Death Eaterish of her, or was it used in a different context? [13:18] <MrMcGonagall> Same sort of prejudice, I think. [13:18] <nympheart> it absolutely sounded like DEs [13:18] <harrypotterfan123> sounds thouroughly like a DE [13:18] <GadgetDon> I believe that, if Aunt Marge was a wizard, she at least would be like the Blacks...supporting the means if not the ends. [13:18] <nympheart> muggles and wizards do have the same problems [13:18] <Aislinn> I think she absolutely exhibits the same kind of prejudice that the DE's do [13:18] <PerfectlyMMAD> I think that she is kinda death eater'ish. [13:18] <harryfreak359> yeah, it did sound very DE like of her [13:19] <futureweasley> she's just a horrid human being...evil takes many forms [13:19] <danae24> Kind of.............. she behaves more like a pure blood than a DE [13:19] <cbm> I have always thought that the attitudes of the Dursleys and Death Eaters are very simular [13:19] <bemused> the context's different but the prejudice is just the same [13:19] <PerfectlyMMAD> thats true, the pureblood part [13:19] <fawkes28> i think aunt marge reminds me more of umbridge rather than a DE [13:19] <cairadawn> Can you be Mean and not Evil?? I just think she is mean [13:19] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i jsut think shes one of those people....i guess in a way it was sorta death eater ish though [13:19] <GadgetDon> Aunt Marge and Mrs. Black could be good friends [13:19] <nympheart> sure you can be mean and not evil [13:19] <nympheart> but Marge is abusive, which is really bordering [13:19] <danae24> Yes.......... just like Myrtle [13:19] <futureweasley> I don't know caira...I think she was downright nasty [13:20] <Aislinn> she is mean, but the similarity is bigotry [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> To not like a person is one thing - to insult their ancestry is another. [13:20] <danae24> she is not evil, but she is mean.......... [13:20] <Knight62442> I think it connects the outside wizarding world to the magical world. The Dursleys do have their prejudices but are they DE like?? I think it is even stronger point how that puts Petunia in the middle. [13:20] <cairadawn> DEs are evil [13:20] <futureweasley> agreed MrMcG [13:20] <cbm> I always put the bigotry to DEs, as not all pure bloods are bigots [13:20] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [13:20] <Aislinn> people can choose how to act on their bigotry, but the attitude is the same [13:20] <nympheart> I don't think all DEs are evil [13:20] <Knight62442> I think pureblood more like it too [13:20] * SoonerGryffindor really doesnt have anything nice to say about Aunt Marge, so she;s keeping her mouth shut [13:20] <harryfreak359> yes, agreed MrMcG [13:20] <fawkes28> it shows us that the world is not separaelt into good guys and DE's [13:20] <futureweasley> fawkes, we have yet to discard the "Umbridge is a DE" theory [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> It's the problem of defining someone by something they cannot help. [13:20] <nympheart> there's Draco and others who were blackmailed [13:20] <bemused> I s'pose there's a difference between having the prejudice and acting on it [13:20] <futureweasley> hi Expie! [13:20] <harryfreak359> hi expel! [13:20] <cbm> DEs no Evil?????? [13:20] <Aislinn> draco made a choice nymph [13:21] * Expelliarmas rushes in from Ft. Lauderdale [13:21] <GadgetDon> I think) [13:21] <Aislinn> hi expie! [13:21] <fawkes28> true, future, but marge does remind me of umbridge slightly [13:21] <danae24> but Aunt Marge is criticising in base of the partial knowledge she has of the Potters, which is mostly lies told to her by the Dursleys...... [13:21] <futureweasley> that was my thought cbm [13:21] <GadgetDon> Oops, something got dropped [13:21] <Expelliarmas> hello, my peepers, what question are we on? [13:21] <nympheart> yes, but he didn't turn out to like it [13:21] <nympheart> I wouldn't call him evil [13:21] <harryfreak359> yah, she does remind me of Umbride a bit [13:21] <futureweasley> to be a DE, you have to swallow evilness by the tablespoon [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> the first one Expie [13:21] <GadgetDon> All Aunt Marge knows is what Vernon told her. [13:21] <Aislinn> it is stilll an attitude that she holds against another group of people, danae - total bigotry [13:21] <danae24> yes@ [13:21] <cairadawn> I wonder if Marge would be the same way to Duddly if he had a disablity even though he is Petunias son?? [13:21] <Knight62442> Vernon and Marge have a snobish complex. [13:21] <Aislinn> well, sometimes out choices turn around and bite us on the butt nymph [13:22] <nympheart> that's interesting cairadawn [13:22] <cbm> Even with what Marge was told, there are times when you should be quiet [13:22] *** Ditzy_DevilMegz has quit [Bye] [13:22] <PerfectlyMMAD> I think the only reason she made that comment was because she was not 'her nephew' [13:22] <Aislinn> but is he was surprised by that, he didn't have his eyes open [13:22] <nympheart> i don't think she'd spoil him then [13:22] *** Ditzy_DevilMegz has joined #lounge [13:22] <fawkes28> she might not say it but i'm sure she would think it [13:22] <danae24> and maybe she treats Harry diferently because she is not related to him............ [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Marge has the same reliance on blood relations that DEs do. [13:22] <nympheart> i think she treats him differently because Petunia treated Lily differently [13:23] <bemused> If Dudley had a disability she'd probably blame it on Petunia's side of the family [13:23] <cbm> I equate the Dursleys attitudes with the DEs, not their actions. I think there is a difference [13:23] *** PolythenePam has quit [Bye] [13:23] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> I think the blod reliance is diffrent the death eaters [13:23] <GadgetDon> I don't think we know Petunia's relationship with Lily [13:23] <harryfreak359> I agree Bemused [13:23] <fawkes28> marge really needs to be taught some manners [13:23] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> she isnt going to go kill a whole race of people on it [13:23] <nympheart> we know they didn't get along [13:23] <Aislinn> me too cbm [13:23] <GadgetDon> And agreed, bemused, agreed [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree fawkes [13:23] <danae24> And that same hate that Petunia had for Lilly was passed to all the family.... [13:23] <futureweasley> right, Marge has no manners [13:23] <harryfreak359> lol Fawkes...really [13:23] <cbm> I wish they had let her remember what Harry did [13:23] <danae24> I agree future!!! [13:23] *** PolythenePam has joined #lounge [13:23] <harrypotterfan123> guys i have to go [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Pam [13:24] <harrypotterfan123> bye [13:24] <nympheart> bye [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> aww, bye hpfreak [13:24] <futureweasley> I think Marge is also afraid...afraid of what she doesn't know and doesn't understand...just like the Dursleys [13:24] <danae24> bye! [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> Bye hpfan. [13:24] <Aislinn> bye hpfan [13:24] <nympheart> yes future [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> At the Quidditch World Cup, when the Death Eaters are on the march. Draco “hides” in the woods and refers to Hermione having to hide as the Death Eaters will know she’s a “mudblood.” Do the Death Eaters have some way of knowing who are the purebloods? Why or why not? [13:24] <Knight62442> Right future [13:24] *** harrypotterfan123 left #lounge [] [13:24] <nympheart> not really, they just know the families [13:24] <Expelliarmas> that has confounded me; it's not as if Hermione has a sign on her forehead [13:24] <Aislinn> I don't think they know unless they know the parentage of someone [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think they know by looking [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they just know from knowing [13:24] <Knight62442> I think that purebloods just know when there are outsiders [13:24] <GadgetDon> There aren't many pureblood families, they'll know them. [13:24] <fawkes28> i think they would only know that hermione was one is because draco told his father [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> I think they would know it based on family, but I don't think they can "sniff out" a non-pure-blood. [13:24] <danae24> No..... they may know who is a pureblood, because as Sirius said, there arent much purebloods left [13:25] <Aislinn> but they could have known about Hermione from Draco - he talked to Lucius about her [13:25] <cbm> I think that they are such a small community that they know everyone [13:25] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> its just cause of dracos dad that they would know drace talks of herminone ron n harry [13:25] <Knight62442> just by knowing the family names [13:25] <futureweasley> well, Draco is practically obsessed with Hermione...because she does so much better than him in school. I'm sure the DE's have heard it from Lucius [13:25] <GadgetDon> And yes, Hermione is probably well known [13:25] <Expelliarmas> yes, Lucius knew Hermione was Muggle born [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> its like if you were just to try to walk into a country club that you were not a member of. The regulars would know that you didnt belong [13:25] <Knight62442> It is like you say Duke, Vanderbuilt, Trump - you know they came from money [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner. [13:25] <fawkes28> also hermione is exposed because she is friends with the "famous" harry potter [13:25] <nympheart> all the pure-bloods are related, they just know their family tree [13:25] <sajeesh> i think nope,even Voldemort is half-blood [13:25] <futureweasley> Lucius hates that a "mudblood" kicks his son's sorry behind in every class...I'm sure it's humiliating for him [13:25] <danae24> Yes, Hermione is known, we know that because Lucius tells Draco if he doesnt feel ashamed that a mudblood beats her in school [13:25] <bemused> If you're not a DE family, you're probably suspect automatically [13:25] <cairadawn> I agree with sooner [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [13:26] <fawkes28> lol [13:26] <Aislinn> true bemused [13:26] <Expelliarmas> I do think, however, that if ol' Lucius had spotted Hermione at the Quidditch World Cup, she would have been in trouble [13:26] <harryfreak359> lol [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> that's a scary thought Expie [13:26] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> yea [13:26] <harryfreak359> I agree Expel [13:26] <futureweasley> just because WE are so familiar with Hermione doesn't not necessarily mean that the Wizarding World at large know much about her [13:26] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> he would have tried tokill her [13:26] <cbm> agreed exp [13:26] <Aislinn> the pure blood families are getting so small, they can pick out those who are not pretty quickly [13:26] <nympheart> i don't think so actually [13:26] <danae24> good thing she run and hide [13:26] <PerfectlyMMAD> Hermione would mostliky be dead [13:26] <fawkes28> true, aislinn [13:26] <danae24> changing color again........ [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, she was with Harry and Ron [13:27] <Expelliarmas> I agree Aislinn, they are all interrelated, so they would know who was not part of their inner circle [13:27] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> Acctually to keep the pure bloods alive..they would probably have to resort to insest at this point [13:27] <Aislinn> exactly [13:27] *** sajeesh has quit [Bye] [13:27] <nympheart> he was having too much fun with the Robertses [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> lol nymph [13:27] <futureweasley> there are specific people who know her because of who she associates with...but that doesn't necessarily mean they know her lineage [13:27] <PerfectlyMMAD> I don't even want to think about the incest part [13:27] <Expelliarmas> being with Harry and Ron [member of a bunch of blood traitors] likely would not have been helpful against full grown wizards [13:27] <GadgetDon> I do think the DEs were just focused on the muggles, and blasting those who came too close. [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but these are people who make it their businss to know [13:27] <danae24> Not totally Ditzy....... there are a few pureblood families left......... but most are considered bad, like the Weasleys..... [13:27] <Aislinn> we've heard from several people that there are few pureblood families left, FW [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think they were particularly out to pick on half-blood nd muggle-borns at the QWC. They were having too much fun playing with the Robertses. [13:27] <nympheart> yes, gadget [13:27] <futureweasley> that's what I'm saying Sooner [13:27] <Aislinn> so they would mostly know each other [13:27] <futureweasley> sorry [13:28] <cbm> I think they was only going for the unarmed [13:28] <Knight62442> Do you think that by the time the first year at Hogwarts is done, every kid knows everyone's background? [13:28] *** spew has joined #lounge [13:28] <futureweasley> hi spew [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe knight [13:28] <danae24> I agree with Mr. M [13:28] <cbm> all wizards carry weapons [13:28] *** sajeesh has joined #lounge [13:28] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> yea but they would never try to mix with the weasleys(the pure bloods) because they are like outcasts [13:28] <nympheart> everyone who cares to know knight [13:28] <spew> hey [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet all the Slytherins do [13:28] <Aislinn> the slytherins make it a point to know [13:28] <harryfreak359> I agree MrMcG [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> It's the problem with exclusivity. You finally find yourself practically all alone.. [13:28] <Knight62442> so the kids would know who is muggleborn or half and half as Seamus puts it [13:28] *** PolythenePam has quit [Bye] [13:28] <Aislinn> very true Mr M [13:28] <PerfectlyMMAD> II think they all would know. After all they have lived togehter for 7 years [13:28] <fawkes28> that is the truth, mr. mcg [13:29] <GadgetDon> The Slytherins would certainly know the "important" people, threats or possible contacts. Hermione, on her own and because of her relationship with Harry, would be well known [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> Fathers and sons play a big role in PoA. Why was it important for Harry to get to know James through James’ friends? [13:29] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> because james is part of the person he is [13:29] <bemused> must go - village quiz night tonight! Bye [13:29] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was the only way for him to learn anthing about James. [13:29] <spew> oooh good question [13:29] <danae24> Because that brings him an understanding of who he really is [13:29] <nympheart> bye bemused [13:29] *** bemused left #lounge [] [13:29] <Aislinn> It is always important for kids to learn of their heritage - it helps them understand themselves better [13:29] <futureweasley> to draw similarities, and prove that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...even if your father is gone [13:29] <fawkes28> i think harry needs to see is father from different angles to get a better picture of him [13:30] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> alot of who he is is linked threw james, you hear alot that alot of his temperments are the same as his fatehrs and that he looks just like him. [13:30] <nympheart> he has by now fawkes... [13:30] <harryfreak359> I think it was really one of the few ways for Harry to get to know anything about his father, by talking to his father's friends [13:30] <Expelliarmas> I think it also helps Harry not to feel quite so isolated; it gives him a connection to James [13:30] <GadgetDon> Harry has always been obsessed with his father, far more than his mother. And yes, he jumped at the opportunity to ask friends about him. [13:30] <Knight62442> Friends know each other for the good, the bad, and the ugly traits about them and they are honest with their opinions of them. Especially Lupin. He told them that James and Sirius were mean to Snape [13:30] <cairadawn> He needs to learn about his parents somehow and who better then those that new him at Harrys age [13:30] <danae24> and because he feels that someone really cares for him, almost like family [13:30] <PerfectlyMMAD> Jk makes a point to say that harry looks like james ALOT. WHy would she do that? [13:30] <spew> I think that it is important because it effects other books like OOTP [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> I've always wondered why Harry wasn't more curious about his parents. Probably because the Dursleys had forbid questions. [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> well, Harry was already hearing about James through someone who hated him (Snape) so I think its great he got to hear from one of his friends [13:30] <futureweasley> MMAD, it helps bring Harry and James closer together...and it's a reminder to others that Harry is James's [13:30] <Expelliarmas> yes, he needed the positives from someone else, Snape would only provide negatives [13:30] <harryfreak359> I agtree Sooner [13:30] <Aislinn> I think that was exactly it Mr M [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> It helps make James more 3 dimensional to Harry [13:30] <harryfreak359> agree* [13:31] <GadgetDon> Harry rejected out of hand anything Snape said. Snape's insults in some way increased his pride in his father. [13:31] <Aislinn> they made if clear that he was not to ask questions, for 10 years of his life [13:31] <fawkes28> it's important because it allows harry to feel an even greater love for his father, and love is important for harry [13:31] <nympheart> yes gadget [13:31] <Aislinn> it would be hard to break that conditioning [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> right gadget [13:31] *** spew left #lounge [] [13:31] <cbm> When he had the dream in Chapter 2, he goes to Sirius 1st. It is very dangerous to be a father figure to Harry [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> Parents live on in their children, in a way. [13:31] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> he rejected what snape said because he knew snape hated him so most of what he said about james would be very negative and not entirely true [13:31] <Aislinn> agreed fawkes [13:31] <cairadawn> I think it is better to know what his father was like at his own age so that he knows he is not alone [13:31] <nympheart> cbm, you're making me cry [13:31] <danae24> not dangerous, cbm, but a difficult task [13:31] <cbm> sorry [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> it also helps Harry to see his dad as a real person, not some image [13:32] <Aislinn> at this point in the story, it gives him someone to admire [13:32] <Aislinn> and to identify with [13:32] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn [13:32] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i thnink it would be harder to have ur parents die as a witch/wizard then as a muggle [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> very important Aislinn [13:32] <harryfreak359> agreed Aislinn [13:32] <Knight62442> Lupin gives him a side of james within the same time period that Harry is going through now as well. [13:32] <danae24> And to really learn what he shares with him and in what they are different.... [13:32] <Expelliarmas> I think the identification is the key point there, Aislinn [13:32] <cbm> But Harry is really never told many details about his father. He only has pictures. [13:33] <futureweasley> it gives him a sense of "belonging" [13:33] <GadgetDon> The problem is Harry saw his dad in different parts. If he'd gotten warts and all throughout his time in Hogwarts, Snape's memory wouldn't have hit him so hard [13:33] <fawkes28> he needs to know the good points and the not so good ones about james to make his dad a human who makes mistakes [13:33] <Aislinn> right FW [13:33] <Aislinn> I think that's a natural part of growing up Don [13:33] <Aislinn> kids don't see their parent's warts when they are little [13:33] <Knight62442> And Lupin knew every antic that James and Snape got into too [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> There are other father/son relationships which come to the forefront in GoF. We have a Muggle father/son relationship between Vernon and Dudley Dursley. What did you think of their relationship in this book? Did it seem like Vernon was trying to protect Dudley? [13:33] <GadgetDon> Remus should have let Harry know about his father's weaknesses and failings. [13:33] <Expelliarmas> it's also interesting that he really doesn't here a whole lot about James as an adult, but more of James as a kid [13:34] *** HedwigJune has joined #lounge [13:34] <Expelliarmas> *hear [13:34] <nympheart> hi hedwig [13:34] <HedwigJune> Sorry I'm late, guys [13:34] <futureweasley> it's not really Remus's place to tell Harry about that stuff...especially when Harry was 13 [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> hi hedwig [13:34] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i think he jsut wanted him away from harry petunia is more protective of dudley [13:34] <HedwigJune> soooo...what're we talking about? [13:34] <danae24> Not that much.... because if Vernon was protecting Dudley, they would never gone into the diet..... [13:34] <Knight62442> which is good because James as an adult was to sacrifice his life for harry and fight voldemort three times. That is pretty sad for Harry [13:34] <PerfectlyMMAD> Vernon dose not see,mto protect him. I think he is more afraid of what Harry did, and can do. [13:34] <HedwigJune> Book 4? [13:34] <nympheart> Vernon did fight the diet [13:34] <GadgetDon> If remus had, Harry could have dealt with Snape's memory better. [13:34] <nympheart> but for personal resons [13:35] <Aislinn> we're talking about book 3 into 4 hedwig [13:35] <nympheart> *reasons [13:35] <HedwigJune> cool. [13:35] <Aislinn> right now, about the relationship between vernon and dudley [13:35] <HedwigJune> hmmm [13:35] <fawkes28> i'm not sure vernon really knows how to be a good father...he seems to think he can "win him over" by buying things for him and keeping him happy [13:35] <Knight62442> It definetly not good to be coming from Snape's point of view [13:35] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes [13:35] <GadgetDon> Vernon is a rather poor father. And has no clue of his problems [13:35] <HedwigJune> what, Snape? [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think Petunia has more of the over-protective vibe. Both parents over-indulge and make any number of excuses for Dudley. [13:35] <danae24> but Vernon would have dismissed the diet as rubish for Dudley, and would have left him eat whatever.... [13:35] <futureweasley> I think Vernon is protective by nature. As foul as he's been to Harry...he justifies it to himself as being "protective" [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the relationship between Vernon and Dudley is a good counterpoint the other father son relationships that we see [13:36] <Aislinn> that's a good point FW [13:36] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i think thats acctually somthing important like a dirffrence the protectiveness...harrys arents died form him, they protected him with hteir lives litterally, i think the fact that he had to sacrafice his fammily made him a better person. dudleys parents let him run wild and isnt that good of a person because of it [13:36] <nympheart> i can see that future [13:36] <fawkes28> he doesn't want dudley infected with harry's wizard "gene" [13:36] <Expelliarmas> It seemed like Vernon did try to protect Dudley from the wizards--tongue ton toffee and throwing things at tt Harry and Arthur [13:36] <danae24> and maybe Petunia has told Vernon about the bad side of magic, so he doesnt really trusth Harry, and tends to protect Dudley [13:36] *** granger22 has joined #lounge [13:36] *** Potteraddict1 has joined #lounge [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, that was Vernon just being obnoxious [13:36] <Aislinn> it is fear danae [13:36] <HedwigJune> Hi granger and Potteraddict [13:36] <cairadawn> Hey I got to go to work bye guys [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome granger and potteraddict [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> bye caira [13:37] <Aislinn> bye caira [13:37] <Knight62442> bye [13:37] <nympheart> bye [13:37] <HedwigJune> bye! [13:37] <granger22> hi [13:37] <granger22> bye [13:37] <granger22> lol [13:37] <danae24> bye caira! [13:37] <Knight62442> hi granger [13:37] <futureweasley> the Dursley are motivated by fear alone when it comes to magic [13:37] <Expelliarmas> no, he started throwing things when Dudley's tongue started swelling [13:37] *** cairadawn left #lounge [] [13:37] <fawkes28> right, future [13:37] <Potteraddict1> Hi! how is every1??? this is my first text chat! lol [13:37] <danae24> i'm lagging...... brb...... [13:37] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> mine 2 [13:37] <Aislinn> welcome potteraddict [13:37] <HedwigJune> I think Vernon wants Dudders to grow up just like himself [13:37] *** danae24 left #lounge [] [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's suspicion of the unknown. After all, the Dursleys did have to experience Dudley's brush with Hagrid. [13:37] <GadgetDon> To be fair...for all the muggle loving reputation of Arthur...he didn't even ask permission before blasting a hole in the Dursley's wall. [13:37] *** danae24 has joined #lounge [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> right now potteraddict, we are talking about books 3 and 4 [13:37] <PerfectlyMMAD> trowing things is not protective,. I think he was scared of whatAuther could do at that point [13:37] <futureweasley> they have no understanding of it, and are too close-minded to try to open it up [13:38] <Aislinn> which certainly didn't help them feel better about magic, did it Mr M? [13:38] <fawkes28> good point, mr. m [13:38] <Expelliarmas> I don't know fw, having Dudley grow a tongue [when he previously grew a tail which had to be surgically removed] would have to provoke some fatherly protection in Vernon [13:38] <GadgetDon> And the Dursley's encounters with wizards have done nothing to change their views. [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol gaddget, that's just becaue he didnt know any better. And he did fix it [13:38] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG, Vernon thinks all things "magical" are suspect [13:38] <HedwigJune> true, Don [13:38] <nympheart> it also gives more fear [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> True, their experiences with the wizarding world haven't exactly been positive. [13:38] <GadgetDon> Hagrid busting down the door, threatening them, and giving Dudley a pigs tail. [13:38] <danae24> Everyone gets overprotective when in the presence of someone unknown, and Vernon is even more terrified of the Weasleys.... [13:38] <Potteraddict1> cool...well as for arthur not asking, do you not reckon that he knew he could fix it and assumed the dursleys knew that too? [13:38] <fawkes28> vernon is unable to see the "good" that magic can do [13:38] <futureweasley> Protection and fear...ok, I stand corrected [13:38] <GadgetDon> The Weasleys with a flying car where the neighbors can see. [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree fawkes. His first brush got them Harry laugh [13:39] <Knight62442> Yet, they haven't even tried to look at the positive side of magic, what Lily and James were doing or what came out of their death [13:39] <Aislinn> its a vicious cycle, as their experience with magic wouldn't be so negative if they weren't so negative towards any sign of it [13:39] <futureweasley> Vernon has not been shown any "good" magic [13:39] <cbm> Has vernon ever seen magic do good? [13:39] <fawkes28> lol sooner [13:39] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> The experiences were king of brought on themselves though. if they were nice to the wizards then the wizards would be nice back. [13:39] <Expelliarmas> otherwise, Vernon and Dudley's relationship is based on buying Dudley material things; I don't know that I call that love, though [13:39] *** Books_4_eva has joined #lounge [13:39] <futureweasley> he's only been victim to the bad side! [13:39] <HedwigJune> Even though Arthur is fascinated by Muggles, he can be a bit naive [13:39] <PerfectlyMMAD> I think that to vernon protection and fear are the same thing [13:39] <danae24> no, I dont thik he's ever seen good magic [13:39] <GadgetDon> Question: Why didn't arthur just apparate to Harry's house, and side-apparate him out? [13:39] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i think he thinks hes protecting dudley but hes just scared [13:39] <PerfectlyMMAD> never, all the wizards who interact with him try to intimidate him [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> because we werent supposed to see that yet? [13:39] <HedwigJune> because that wouldn't be polite [13:39] *** Books_4_eva has quit [Bye] [13:39] <Potteraddict1> cause the kids were with him...i think anyway [13:39] <danae24> because he came with some of the sons [13:40] <futureweasley> lol Sooner [13:40] <nympheart> i think there are apparation laws we don't know about [13:40] <Expelliarmas> Because he was with fred/george as well and had to transport the trunk [13:40] <MrMcGonagall> It is the Dursleys' refusal to associate with magic that causes most of their problems. [13:40] <cbm> Can Author side-apperate? I got the impression not everyone could [13:40] <nympheart> like how no one apparates right where they need to go [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> B One of them is Barty Crouch, Sr. and Barty Crouch, Jr. What did you make of that relationship? [13:40] <Aislinn> agree Mr M [13:40] <danae24> and none of those who came to the Dursleys house knew how to aparate [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> One of them is Barty Crouch, Sr. and Barty Crouch, Jr. What did you make of that relationship? [13:40] <HedwigJune> ummmm [13:40] <nympheart> very strained [13:40] <sajeesh> side apparation seems 2 b rare ,may b u need 2b pwrful wizard 2 do it. [13:40] <futureweasley> exrtremely disfunctional [13:40] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> barty crouch like hated his son [13:40] <danae24> Barty Crouch did love his son, but put work before family [13:40] <harryfreak359> ummm...not much of a relationship really [13:40] <MrMcGonagall> Very sad kind of relationship. [13:40] <HedwigJune> they hated each other [13:40] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> He humilitaed him for people who crouch was trying to stop [13:41] <GadgetDon> The Crouches are another fine example of bad father/son relationships. Are there any good father/son relationships we've seen except the Weasleys? [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> Impossibly high expectations from the father. [13:41] <Expelliarmas> that was a cold, distant relationship [13:41] *** granger22 left #lounge [] [13:41] <futureweasley> a child rebelling from an extremely protective and overbearing father [13:41] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> the only reason he let him escape was for his wife [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I see BC senior as being like a Percy figure [13:41] <PerfectlyMMAD> Barty sr tottaly ignored him. Left him, did not care for him. That afected barty Jr greatly [13:41] <HedwigJune> Crouch Sr. did the favor only for his wife [13:41] <nympheart> i kind of see Percy's kids turning out like that [13:41] <danae24> and that affected their relationship... [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> abandoning his family in favor of his status [13:41] <fawkes28> yes, sooner he is [13:41] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [13:41] <Potteraddict1> who would want to have kids with percy!!! lol!! [13:41] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [13:41] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> I would hate barty i tihnk............. [13:41] <danae24> poor Percy..... let's hope he doesnt get married.... [13:41] <Aislinn> I see Crouch Sr as viewing Crouch Jr primarily as a reflection on himself [13:41] <cbm> I think Crouch Jr was ambitious, but took the easy route [13:41] <nympheart> maybe Penelope [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> not to say you should be joyful to find out your kid is a DE, but..... [13:41] <Aislinn> hi seven [13:41] <Knight62442> Before the trial, very overbearing father that expected nothing but the highest standards from his son. Then complete and utter disappointment when at his trial [13:41] <harryfreak359> hi sevenofnine [13:41] <PerfectlyMMAD> have to go. [13:42] <GadgetDon> Percy could well have become like Crouch, unless something happens in book 7 [13:42] <Expelliarmas> Sr. likely spent too many hours running up the MoM ladder and not enough at home [13:42] <futureweasley> bye MMAD [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Hi seven! [13:42] <HedwigJune> bye, mad [13:42] <harryfreak359> bye [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> vye mad [13:42] *** PerfectlyMMAD has quit [Bye] [13:42] <nympheart> bye [13:42] <Potteraddict1> bye [13:42] <SevenofNine> Hi [13:42] <Aislinn> it was imporant for Crouch Jr to reflect well on Sr, in order to further his own ambitions [13:42] <nympheart> hi seven [13:42] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> HI [13:42] <Aislinn> very conditional love [13:42] <HedwigJune> I'll be right back....going to go sort myself [13:42] <Knight62442> Sr. was on the fast track for Ministry of Magic and was an overachiever to getting it and ignored is family [13:42] *** HedwigJune has quit [Bye] [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> As other wizards said, it wasn't that surprising that BC Jr. rebelled, with someone like his father riding him all the time. [13:42] <Potteraddict1> whats your fav book? 3or4? [13:42] <Knight62442> But do not tarnish his chances [13:42] <nympheart> 4 [13:42] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> 3 [13:42] <GadgetDon> 4 [13:42] <Potteraddict1> 4 [13:42] <Knight62442> or his name Jr. [13:42] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> 4 is good though [13:42] <nympheart> I like the darkness [13:43] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i like 3 more ..... [13:43] <Aislinn> guys, let's stick to the topic and question [13:43] <danae24> you can see that it hurt Mr. Crouch the fact that he had to send his own son to Azkaban... it tarnished his reputation... [13:43] <Potteraddict1> books 3 and 4 are the topic [13:43] <SevenofNine> That's a tough one for me [13:43] <SevenofNine> Does this work? [13:43] <SevenofNine> Okay, now it does [13:43] <futureweasley> no, the question that the mods ask is the topic [13:43] <GadgetDon> When a son is named Jr., it's hard to fight the assumption that the son will be like the father [13:43] <SevenofNine> What's the topic, Aislinn, I came late. [13:43] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> im confused so what is the topic. [13:43] <SevenofNine> Sorry [13:44] <Knight62442> Good point Gadget. [13:44] *** harrypotterfan123 has joined #lounge [13:44] <GadgetDon> I wonder what Crouch Sr.'s relationship with his father was like [13:44] <Aislinn> the topic is the bridge between PoA and GoF seven [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> Most people think that BC Sr. had it coming. [13:44] <Potteraddict1> hi harrypotterfan [13:44] <danae24> we are talking about Barty Crouch and Barty Crouch Jr. relationship right now.... [13:44] <Aislinn> right now we are talking about father/son relationships, specifically the crouches [13:44] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i dont think they have a relationship [13:44] *** nympheart has quit [Bye] [13:45] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> its like non existant [13:45] <SevenofNine> Thanks. Well, My father is a Sr. and I have a brother who is a Jr. They never had any identity problems. [13:45] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [13:45] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [13:45] *** harrypotterfan123 left #lounge [] [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there was no real relationship there [13:45] <Knight62442> Was Jr. rebelling or was he really looking for his own power trip like Sr. ambition. Was Jr. trying to be like his father [13:45] <Potteraddict1> sorry but it would be a v boring disscussion if we didnt branch out...sorry...ok teh crouches [13:45] <danae24> So I think the lack of a paternal figure lead Barty Crouch Jr. to belonging to the DE's [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> BC Sr. can be a bit of a psycho. I wouldn't want him as a dad. [13:45] <futureweasley> they did have a relationship, but BC Jr did everything he could to pull away from Sr [13:45] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> yea my bro is steve and my dad is steve [13:45] <Expelliarmas> I think Jr's relationship with Sr spurred his involvement with the DEs [13:45] <SevenofNine> But that doesn't mean others don'ts, especially with a dad like Barty Sr. [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that BCJ went to LV because he was so different from his father [13:45] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> but we dont call them sr. n jr. i dont thnk that has an affect on anything [13:45] <fawkes28> i think it their relationship shows how nuturing can play a big rolein the way a person turns out [13:45] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [13:45] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> that a good point fawkes [13:46] <Expelliarmas> He went to LV because he wanted to spite his father and maybe get his attention [13:46] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> thats* [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> I think BC Sr. was the kind who was always pushing his son to succeed, expecting him to be the best at everything. [13:46] <SevenofNine> Well, Barty Jr. was young when he became a DE. He could have just been seeking an identify that was completely different from his father's [13:46] <Potteraddict1> no...but its the link between BC and Voldemort cause of the hating your father and not wanting to be assosiated with it [13:46] <danae24> Jr. needed someone more powerful to look up to... so he found that in LV [13:46] <SevenofNine> Rebellion [13:46] <nympheart> ooo, that's scary danae [13:46] <Potteraddict1> with him and his name [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Another father/son relationship which comes to the forefront in GOF is the one between Amos and Cedric Diggory? What did you make of that relationship? [13:47] *** pixie23 has joined #lounge [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> happy_crying [13:47] <danae24> Love! [13:47] <SevenofNine> A loving one [13:47] <pixie23> hiiiiii [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome pixie [13:47] <nympheart> they seemed very normal [13:47] <nympheart> hi pixie [13:47] <pixie23> ty [13:47] <Knight62442> oh! Love [13:47] <pixie23> hey [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I like Cedric, but his father is a bit of a pill at times. [13:47] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> its a really lcose nit relationship [13:47] <Expelliarmas> a loving one, but Amos did get on my nerves in GoF [13:47] <SevenofNine> Cedric was funny when he was embarrassed by his father's defense of him [13:47] <GadgetDon> I thought that was a very loving one, although perhaps a little too doting. Not spoiled, but "My son is the greatest at everything" [13:47] <danae24> They are the Gilmore Girl male version..... there is love and trust in there [13:47] <Knight62442> though I always felt he was living through his son [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> true Mr M, but I think he can be representative of a lot of modern parents [13:47] <fawkes28> i think amos sets his standards pretty high for his son [13:47] <nympheart> not quite seeing eye-to-eye all the time [13:47] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> his father is in tears when he dies....very upset bartie wouldnt have readcted that way [13:47] <pixie23> so what r we talking about today [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner. [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> you know, the kinds that have the "my kid is an honor student" bumper stickers? [13:48] <nympheart> at the moment, the relationship between the diggories [13:48] <MrMcGonagall> I like that Amos is proud of his son, but to use that to one-up Harry is tacky. [13:48] <futureweasley> Amos is extremely proud of Cedric [13:48] <Knight62442> wanting Cedric to point out that he beat Harry in Quidditch last year [13:48] <Expelliarmas> Amos may set high standards, but it doesn't seem like he gets upset if Cedric comes short [13:48] <pixie23> ya he is [13:48] <SevenofNine> Well, Barty Sr. was proud of his son. Amos actually loved his son. [13:48] <Potteraddict1> Amos...I think...represented a normal wizard that didnt have any particular connection to harry so he was the represenation of the average joe wizard [13:48] <danae24> Mr. Diggory does take pride in the achivements that Cedric gets [13:48] <pixie23> how long is this chat open [13:48] <nympheart> i think Amos thinks Cedric is the perfect child [13:48] <fawkes28> unlike crouch jr., cedric wants to live up to his father's expectations [13:48] <Aislinn> I think that given who we see Cedric to be, there is evidence that Amos was a good father [13:48] <futureweasley> well, I think he was trying to show Harry that Cedric wouldn't be taken without a fight |
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[13:48] <GadgetDon> Hmmm...I wonder if Amos pushed Cedric to overachieve? Not "you'll do it or else" but "I know you are great, I love you son, you'll be the best" and Cedric fealing the love wants to live up to it
[13:48] <fawkes28> which i find interesting [13:48] <nympheart> which isn't really that healthy [13:48] <Knight62442> How upset he was with Rita saying Harry was the only Hogwart's champion. [13:48] <SevenofNine> I agree Aislinn [13:48] <Expelliarmas> we're running until 3:00 p.m. EST, pixie [13:48] <pixie23> kk ty [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I see Amos as a very loving and supportive father, but I think he might also by trying to live vicariously through his son a little [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Amos pushed his son the way BC Sr. did. [13:49] <SevenofNine> Before the QWC, Amos and Cedric seemed to be enjoying being together. [13:49] <Aislinn> I agree sooner [13:49] <pixie23> no not nearly as much [13:49] <fawkes28> that's an interesting point, sooner [13:49] <GadgetDon> Definitely not the same way, MrM. [13:49] <Knight62442> but when he suffered when he died, all that left for me, he loved Cedric for all the world [13:49] <danae24> yes......... I think he really tries to show that Cedric is more than your average Hufflepuff [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> He simply makes the most (sometimes too much) of his son's accomplishments. Thank goodness Cedric is naturally modest. [13:49] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i think like the diggorys are like the opposties of the malfoys.......Amos supports his sun and wants him to succed, leucious dosnt really support draco unless its for his own needs. i htink that relaly effects the person that both sons become [13:49] <GadgetDon> But there are many ways of pushing. And they aren't all bad. [13:49] <Aislinn> its not that surprising that a father would be boastful of his son, if he bested the "famous" Harry Potter [13:49] <Potteraddict1> I agree with mrmcgonagall [13:49] <Expelliarmas> I think if Cedric would have wanted to do something different than Amos planned, Amos would be more accepting of it [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> right Aislinn, that would make a lot of parents proud [13:50] <Aislinn> yes expie [13:50] <fawkes28> true, expie [13:50] <nympheart> i think so expie [13:50] <SevenofNine> I'm not sure that's true ditzy. We have to be careful not to confuse the book Lucius with the film Lucius [13:50] <Expelliarmas> yeah, but the proud parents wouldn't show up the bested kid. [13:50] <danae24> Cedric is doing what he wants..... you dont see him being obliged to do something..... [13:50] <GadgetDon> I think that Barty demanded great things, Amos expected it. [13:50] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> no im not confudsing the two when has lucious ever supported draco in the books...but for his own means? [13:50] *** sajeesh has quit [Bye] [13:50] <SevenofNine> Lucius was never shown not to support Draco. [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Another father/son relationship which plays with more subtlety is the one between Lucius and Draco Malfoy. What do you think of their relationship in this book? [13:51] <SevenofNine> he bought brooms for the Slytherin team so Draco could play. [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> It's Amos' tendency to rub it in with Harry that really irks me. [13:51] <nympheart> i suspect Draco may be abused [13:51] <Aislinn> yeah, that was a bit obnoxious Mr M [13:51] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i guess thats true [13:51] <danae24> It's similar to the Crouche's one..... [13:51] <nympheart> emotionally if not physically [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> Ooh, the Malfoys. Another sad relationship. [13:51] <Aislinn> I don't think so nymph [13:51] <GadgetDon> Lucius is very close to Crouch. [13:51] <Aislinn> I think its a cold relationship though [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think abused in the physical sense, but he has been abused emotionally I think [13:51] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> lucius ist close to crouch so much as using him really gadget [13:51] <SevenofNine> The film Lucius is shown giving snotting looks of disappointment at Draco that aren't in the books. [13:51] <danae24> Narcissa loves Draco, but Lucius, not that much..... [13:51] <Expelliarmas> In his own way, though, I think Lucius is trying to shape Draco in his own image [13:52] <futureweasley> I think Lucius also had the bar raised a tad high for Draco...and Draco constantly fell short [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> Draco so anxious to be like his father, but continually rebuffed and put down. [13:52] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> hmmm...maybe not.... [13:52] <SevenofNine> But Lucius (to me) is more between Barty and Amos [13:52] <nympheart> Narcissa sticks up for him though [13:52] <Potteraddict1> What about the Harry/james relationship?? ok so james is dead but Harry still constantly wants to live up 2 his dads reputation...like on the quiditch pitch etc... [13:52] <GadgetDon> No, I mean the Lucius-Draco relationship was close to the Barty-bary relationship [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Lucius loves him though, I really do [13:52] <SevenofNine> I agree Sooner [13:52] <Aislinn> I think that Lucius is similar to Crouch Sr, in seeing his son as a reflection of himself, and not a person in his own right [13:52] <futureweasley> but Draco can't rebel the way Jr did [13:52] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i dont like lucious i think im just prejudice gainst him because he is a deatheater and in myopinion evil [13:52] <danae24> Draco is expected to live up to the pureblood wizard life, so when he cames out a bit of a scareddy cat..... [13:52] <danae24> that dissapoints Lucius [13:52] <GadgetDon> Exactly, Aislinn, exactly [13:52] <Expelliarmas> Lucius does care for Draco, if he didn't he wouldn't be working so hard to groom him in his own image [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> Somewhere, deep down, Sooner, but one could wish he was more expressive of it. [13:53] <futureweasley> to rebel like that would make Draco best friends with DD (or worse) Harry [13:53] <SevenofNine> I think there's a element of that Aislinn, but I think Lucius does love his son. [13:53] <fawkes28> draco has high expectations set for him, which i can imagine being scary [13:53] <SevenofNine> I love it FW! [13:53] <Aislinn> I think that Lucius pays a bit more attention to Draco than Crouch did to Jr though [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he just doesnt know how to be normal about it Mr M. He is so twisted [13:53] <futureweasley> :-) [13:53] <SevenofNine> Yes, Aislinn [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> True, Sooner. [13:53] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> i think to some extenet every parents loves the child...its just how much so i dont think in any case its a thing of love. [13:53] <Expelliarmas> Draco is not like Sirius, he craves his father's approval, so he wouldn't rebel; he'd buy into everything Lucius is teaching [13:53] *** Potteraddict1 left #lounge [] [13:53] <Aislinn> I think the grooming is to make sure he is a positive reflection on Lucius expie [13:54] <danae24> Yes, Lucius does put more attention to Draco..... he has been spoiled, just like Dudley [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Expie [13:54] <SevenofNine> Well, Barty didn't seem to connect with his son. Lucius connects with Draco. [13:54] <fawkes28> true, danae [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> one day Draco may get a Paris Hilton wig of his own. [13:54] <SevenofNine> Draco is supportive of his father by risking becoming a DE. Barty Jr would not have done that for his Dad [13:54] <nympheart> lol MrM [13:54] <futureweasley> who isn't twisted, siriusly? Arthur could even be considered "twisted" for not letting Percy have some "walking room" when it came to the ministry. Father will ALWAYS have sons that don't take after them...it's natural [13:54] <danae24> maybe Lucius wanted a girl, and got dissapointed when Draco was born....... smile [13:54] *** pixie23 has quit [Bye] [13:54] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> draco is deffintaly supportiv of his father [13:54] <Expelliarmas> Lucius even sends Draco clips from the Daily Prophet, so they are in contact during the school year [13:54] <GadgetDon> I do think Draco has a different relationship than barty Jr. [13:54] <Expelliarmas> LOL MRM [13:54] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> when harry gets him locked up draco is fusious [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Sports play a big role in POA. Harry and the Gryffindor team finally win the Quidditch Cup. Why was it important for Harry and his team to win the Quidditch Cup? [13:55] <SevenofNine> If nothing else, Draco and Lucius share a hate and disdain of harry and the Weaslesy [13:55] <Knight62442> sorry, football moment [13:55] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> gadget that pry cause draco wasnt locked in azkaboan by his father [13:55] <Knight62442> lol [13:55] <GadgetDon> But I think Lucius's feelings are different than Barty Jr. [13:55] <GadgetDon> nvm that last [13:55] <nympheart> the power of teamwork [13:55] <danae24> because it really shows that he is a good Quidditch player that doesnt end up on the hospital every time..... [13:56] <Knight62442> For one, they beat Slytherin for the cup and McGonagall is happy to take the cup from Snape smile [13:56] <SevenofNine> I think Harry's skills learned by playing Quidditch will be important in Book 7 [13:56] <fawkes28> to have a very happy memory in case dementors come along smile [13:56] <harryfreak359> I think so....because it kind of unites the whole school (except the Slytherins) in celebration of defeating Slytherin [13:56] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> becasue in a way its a small win. its a big part of hogwarts quiditch. and ven thoguh the fight continues off the feild to win on the feild is in its own way a triumph [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this was the most awesome quidditch moment of the entire series [13:56] <harryfreak359> definitely Sooner [13:56] <danae24> I agree with harryfreak...... it creates a sort of house unity [13:56] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> its somthing everyone in the school looks foraward ot by playing or watching and so to lose has a big ffect [13:56] <Knight62442> Exactly sooner [13:56] * SoonerGryffindor loved the group hug at the end [13:56] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> effect* [13:56] <Expelliarmas> good point, Ditzy [13:56] <SevenofNine> Well, i really liked the one in HBP when Harry lays a big one on Ginny, but that's not this discussion, Sooner [13:57] <harryfreak359> lol [13:57] <futureweasley> because they are overdue [13:57] <Aislinn> me too sooner [13:57] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> thanks. [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol seven [13:57] <futureweasley> they should have won it in the first 3 books~ [13:57] <Aislinn> they deserved it - they worked hard and had a very talented team [13:57] <futureweasley> ! [13:57] <fawkes28> i think it gives harry even more confidence that he is his own person and doesn't need to be famous just because of voldemort [13:57] <Knight62442> And it shows the first sign of building the teamwork and unity that will begin leading to what I hope is the final sign of unity with the four houses uniting for the final battle [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> I was happy that Oliver finally realized his dream. Awww. [13:57] <harryfreak359> agreed Aislinn [13:57] <Aislinn> that's an excellent point knight [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think that Oliver deserved it [13:57] <GadgetDon> Agreed, Harry needed the confidence. [13:57] <Expelliarmas> not winning it in the first two books taught Harry patience [13:57] <danae24> yes!!! we needed to see Wood winning the cup for once! [13:57] <SevenofNine> Yes, Mr. McG. I was happy for that as well. [13:57] <Aislinn> and Oliver too, expie! [13:58] <SevenofNine> Yes, and Harry had to know that things don't come easily. [13:58] * SoonerGryffindor is now thinking of Oliver and daydreaming [13:58] <Expelliarmas> Ah, Aislinn, Oliver learned all the patience he could deal with ... [13:58] <nympheart> lol sooner [13:58] <Aislinn> lol [13:58] <Knight62442> lol [13:58] * danae24 joins sooner on the daydream about Oliver...... [13:58] * MrMcGonagall snaps fingers at Sooner. [13:58] *** PerfectlyMMAD has joined #lounge [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:58] <fawkes28> LOL [13:58] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> acctualy yea building off of what kight said. the hat said that they should unite and with out it the school would fall and through quiditch diffrent people form bonds which helps to unite them. and the people as one not as four places nd four house but as one school. [13:58] <Expelliarmas> he learned patience and perserverance [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Why was it important for Harry to defeat Draco and the Slytherin team to win the Quidditch Cup? Would it have been different had the final match been against a different team? [13:59] <nympheart> but apparently forgot them in OotP [13:59] <danae24> and he had to learn a few things to overcome a few obstacles to win..... [13:59] <GadgetDon> If they'd lost one more time, even if it was "yes, Harry was in the hospital yet again for the final game", one of Harry's key skills would remain somewhat in question. Flying is Quiddich to some extent [13:59] <SevenofNine> Yes, it would have Sooner, [13:59] <fawkes28> i think it gave him more motive [13:59] <Expelliarmas> it would have been anticlimatic had it been against another team [13:59] <PerfectlyMMAD> well.. a different team would have been defeated. =] [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehe. Serves Draco right for the stunt he pulled in the first game [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> I think the triumph is greater because it's over Gryffindor's archenemy. [13:59] *** HedwigJune has joined #lounge [13:59] <Knight62442> It had to be again Draco and Slytherin. [13:59] <harryfreak359> I agree Fakwes [13:59] <SevenofNine> Because Draco represents everything Harry is fighting against. [13:59] <fawkes28> and it felt like a sweeter victory [13:59] <HedwigJune> I'm baack!! [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with fawkes and Mr M [13:59] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> yes i think it would have because, drco has been his enemy for a long time. they have had many fights and draco is his greatest enemy. [13:59] *** PerfectlyMMAD has quit [Bye] [13:59] <nympheart> yes MrM [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> wb Hedwig [13:59] <GadgetDon> friends, gotta go [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> The emotions are higher because it's against slytherin. [13:59] <HedwigJune> Draco...? [13:59] <harryfreak359> wb hedwig [13:59] <Aislinn> I think it made it SO much more satisfying [13:59] *** GadgetDon has quit [Bye] [13:59] <Expelliarmas> also, Slytherin is the team which tested GRyffindor the most, none of the others [13:59] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> if it had been against someone like hufflepuff harry wouldnt have felt uch a ned to win [14:00] <danae24> it was like a payback to Draco for all the bad things he has said to Harry, Ron and Hermione [14:00] <Knight62442> Lucius buying the nimbus to get Draco as seeker was a slap in the face and then Draco thought he was always going to beat Harry. Harry showed him [14:00] <SevenofNine> Yet Gryffindor lost against Hufflepuff [14:00] <HedwigJune> Oh, snap!! [14:00] <harryfreak359> Well, I think they would have wanted to win just as much, but I think Slytherin made them go a little farther to win [14:00] <SevenofNine> when harry's broom was broken [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> can anyone say Karma? [14:00] <fawkes28> right, knight what goes around comes around [14:00] <danae24> but they lost because of the dementors.... [14:00] <HedwigJune> teehee, sooner! [14:00] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> hehehe/...lol sooner [14:00] <harryfreak359> lol sooner [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> I was happy for McG, too . . .tears in her eyes at finally winning the cup from Snape. [14:00] <Knight62442> right Fawkes. [14:01] <danae24> not because Harry was playing bad or anything... [14:01] <SevenofNine> Good key to Cedric's view though, that he wanted to redo the game. [14:01] <fawkes28> yes, she deserved it [14:01] <harryfreak359> I know, I was happy for all the gryffindors [14:01] <harryfreak359> especially the team and McGonagall [14:01] <danae24> Cedric does have his hearth in the right place [14:01] <Knight62442> Yeah, even though it wasn't written, I have a mental picture of McG. taking the cup from Snape's office [14:01] <HedwigJune> which game was this? [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> The rivalry just isn't the same with other teams. [14:01] <SevenofNine> Very much into fair play [14:01] <Expelliarmas> the final quidditch match in POA, Hedwig June [14:01] <SevenofNine> Especially with the other houses rooting for Gryffindor [14:02] <HedwigJune> m'kay [14:02] <Knight62442> Cedric is great, especially in that part of the scene. he wanted to win playing harry [14:02] <danae24> yes! [14:02] *** Ravendor has joined #lounge [14:02] <Aislinn> yes, seven, I thought that laid important groundwork for GoF [14:02] *** PerfectlyMMAD has joined #lounge [14:02] <Expelliarmas> yes, Cedric was about fair play; the Slytherins did nothing but cheat [14:02] <HedwigJune> Hi, ravendor and MMad! [14:02] <Ravendor> hey smile [14:02] <fawkes28> if the slytherins played fair, the victory wouldn't have been as sweet [14:02] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> the didnt exactly cheat they just played dirty [14:02] <PerfectlyMMAD> hey [14:03] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> which isnt relly respectabloe [14:03] <harryfreak359> agreed fawkes [14:03] <danae24> Cedric is fair...... you can see the hufflepuff in him [14:03] <MrMcGonagall> Good triumphs over evil. [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> In GoF, there is no Quidditch at Hogwarts. But there is the Quidditch World Cup, an international competition. Why was this competition important? [14:03] <Expelliarmas> it gave Harry real-world lessons, the Slytherin cheating. [14:03] <MrMcGonagall> I think it introduces the international element. [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved getting to see this [14:03] <HedwigJune> So we could check out the Death Eaters? [14:03] <nympheart> this time the whole of Hogwarts is united, or it was supposed to be [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> and it lets us know there are other schools [14:03] <fawkes28> and mr. mcg and the idea of unity [14:03] <harryfreak359> lol I was going to say that Mrmcg... [14:03] <Expelliarmas> It expanded the wizarding world across the world [14:03] <futureweasley> it was Harry's first "vacation", and it got to be something he loved to do with people he loved to be with [14:03] <danae24> It gives the wizarding world a chance to convive with each other [14:03] <Aislinn> I think it introduced us to the wider wizarding world [14:04] <HedwigJune> aww, future.... [14:04] <PerfectlyMMAD> to show who simialr wizards are even though they claim to be different [14:04] <MrMcGonagall> GoF is all about expanding Harry's acquaintance with the wizarding world. [14:04] <Aislinn> which became central to the plot with the Tri-wizard tournament [14:04] <fawkes28> i think it allows us to step outside our little world of hogwarts and see the bigger picture [14:04] <futureweasley> and it was an introduction to a much larger wizardig world than Hogwarts [14:04] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> before you only had mentons of other wiches and wizards. and now you hear a great deal about witches form all over. it shows the great broadness of the wizarding community [14:04] <danae24> I agree Aislinn [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> right fawkes [14:04] <HedwigJune> next! [14:04] * danae24 is waiting for the application for the Salem Witches Institute........ [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> its almost as if Harry is now ready for this. He is growing up more and more and this was the book where he starts to go round that corner [14:05] <Aislinn> agreed sooner [14:05] <harryfreak359> agreed sooner [14:05] <Ravendor> agreed [14:05] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> gud point [14:05] <MrMcGonagall> It's a nice parallel to the Muggle World Cup, too. [14:05] <futureweasley> next what, Hedwig? [14:05] <HedwigJune> umm, question? [14:05] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> lol [14:05] <futureweasley> patience [14:05] <SevenofNine> Gotta go folks. Bye [14:05] <danae24> I agree too Sooner [14:05] <futureweasley> is vital [14:05] <nympheart> bye seven [14:05] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [14:05] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> ready to move on so soon? [14:05] <danae24> bye Seven!!! [14:06] <HedwigJune> I mean, since we all agree on something.... [14:06] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> lol [14:06] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> hahaha true. [14:06] <fawkes28> and this book is really a beginning for the rest of the series so it is important to introduce new ideas like the world cup [14:06] <HedwigJune> and no one was saying anything..... [14:06] <Expelliarmas> Hedwig, the mods take care to keep the pace, don't worry about it [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> Hedwig. The Corner Booth Moderators are in charge of asking the questions. Please respect those decisions [14:06] <HedwigJune> okee-dokee [14:06] <Aislinn> that's true fawkes [14:06] <harryfreak359> yeah, fawkes [14:07] <Aislinn> the whole series really takes a turn from this point on [14:07] <MrMcGonagall> I also noticed that Jo placed the QWC in book 4 so that it only comes around once in the series. [14:07] <futureweasley> I think Quidditch was important to introduce Krum as well [14:07] <danae24> It shows Harry the real wizarding world, and not just only the small window he had seen [14:07] <Aislinn> from the rather insular world of Hogwarts to the broader wizarding community [14:07] <Expelliarmas> the series turns in this book; the QWC begins that turn [14:07] <Ravendor> true, future [14:07] <HedwigJune> ooh, right MrMcG! [14:07] <futureweasley> and position that whole storyline [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> B Athletic prowess and intelligence are on display in GOF through the Tri-Wizard Tournament. Harry is “chosen” for it. What skills from Quidditch were important for Harry to have for the first task–getting the dragon egg? [14:07] <fawkes28> interesting, mr. m [14:07] <harryfreak359> Yes, this is definitely the books that changes everything [14:07] <HedwigJune> dodging, diving, feinting.... [14:07] <danae24> and it's the few last happy events we get to see [14:08] <futureweasley> his amazing aptitude for flying [14:08] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> well yea of corse it cahnges eerything......they are growing up, and stuff and L.V comes back [14:08] <futureweasley> and sense of "seeking" [14:08] <HedwigJune> anticipating the enemy's next move [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> Beng a Seeker totally helped him. [14:08] <harryfreak359> His ability to fly well, espeially being a seeker [14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it shows just how good he is. An interntional star is admiring his abilities [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> Quick reflexes. [14:08] <Expelliarmas> having the nerve to perform in front of a whole mess of people [14:08] <Aislinn> I think the first task was perfectly suited for him, give his skills as a Seeker [14:08] <harryfreak359> especially* [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> I bet Krum was wishing he'd thought of flying. [14:08] <HedwigJune> that too, expell [14:08] <futureweasley> sense of his surroundings [14:08] <PerfectlyMMAD> He wasn't chosen he was the only person in his catagory (school) [14:08] <futureweasley> Krum thinks, MrMcG?! [14:08] <danae24> Confidence in his skills............ [14:08] <harryfreak359> lol, If I was him, MrMcG, I would be too [14:08] <Aislinn> it was interesting that he felt just like he was in a Quidditch match once he took off on his broom [14:08] <HedwigJune> hahaha!!! [14:08] <harryfreak359> lol future [14:09] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he's more of a physical person. . . [14:09] <fawkes28> true, expie i think flying calme dhim down and gave him more confidence [14:09] <nympheart> He thinks [14:09] <Expelliarmas> Quidditch also helped Harry with his ability to think strategy during a game [14:09] <futureweasley> yes, I guess he is [14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> well. We know that Harry is a good seeker at HOgwarts, but then when this international star is in awe of him as well, that is really saying smething [14:09] <harryfreak359> agree, expel [14:09] <danae24> It's playing with his Forte............ doing what you know best [14:09] <HedwigJune> I think Krum was just underestimating Harry [14:10] <futureweasley> he was "the thing"...someone famous...like Harry [14:10] <MrMcGonagall> Although, I think most of the champions were using their particular skills. [14:10] <Aislinn> I didn't see any evidence of Krum underestimating Harry [14:10] <Knight62442> How does the international star know anything about Harry - that always puzzle me. I mean Hermione knew about durmstrang and Beaubaxton from hogwarts a history [14:10] <Expelliarmas> he also had to use teamwork to defeat the dragon; Hermione was his coach in many ways [14:10] <HedwigJune> well, Krum knew that Harry was much younger than him [14:10] <PerfectlyMMAD> At the end of GOF Barty jr, says that he entered Harry in different name so he was the only person in that catagory, there was no being chosen [14:10] <Knight62442> At least knowing his quidditch skills [14:10] <harryfreak359> I don't think Krum really paid any attention to the other champions, it was karkaroff who did that [14:10] <danae24> not really....... I dont think Fleur used her best skills in the competition.......... that or she is more clueless than Krum [14:10] <SoonerGryffindor> . How do you think the trio’s friendship got tested in PoA? Did they come away stronger friends? [14:10] <Aislinn> he didn't know anything until he saw him fly, knight [14:10] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> Anyways i have to go now....hope to talk to some people again soon....god convos and have fun! [14:11] <Knight62442> oh ok [14:11] <Ditzy_DevilMegz> Bye [14:11] <Aislinn> bye ditzy [14:11] <Expelliarmas> bye ddm [14:11] <nympheart> bye [14:11] *** Ditzy_DevilMegz has quit [Bye] [14:11] <fawkes28> i think they need tests in their friendship to make stronger [14:11] <danae24> all they fights in PoA did help the trio get more trust in each other..... [14:11] <HedwigJune> Well, from the missing scene in the movie.... [14:11] <fawkes28> friendships are not perfect [14:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I love this test [14:11] <SoonerGryffindor> and its so true, because in real life, real friendships get tested over time [14:11] <HedwigJune> When RON was supposed to say "You'll have to kill us first!" [14:11] <MrMcGonagall> I think their friendship was strengthened. they had to pass through some difficult times, even with their own friendship in crisis. [14:11] <PerfectlyMMAD> they came away much stonger. The Harry Hermione freind ship was tested numerous times in Poa. The time turner is one time. [14:11] <Knight62442> they needed to fight, [14:11] <danae24> It teached them to have more trust one each other.... [14:11] <futureweasley> Crookshanks v. Scabbers? [14:12] <nympheart> the bickering over Scabbers [14:12] <Aislinn> I thought it was an important phase in their friendship also [14:12] <Knight62442> it is a test of true relationships to weather and learn from fights [14:12] <HedwigJune> "teached"? [14:12] <futureweasley> aka Hermione v. Ron [14:12] <danae24> sorry Hedwig...... I meant taught..... [14:12] <fawkes28> and also i think it helped them learn to trust each other more and take each other's word [14:12] <HedwigJune> aah, Hermy v. Ronnie......just being adolescents [14:12] <Expelliarmas> don't worry about it dane24, we all make typos [14:13] <danae24> not........ the Hermy vs. Ronnie was about what they feel about each other.... [14:13] <Aislinn> I think that trust was a really important theme for GoF [14:13] <Aislinn> especially for Ron and Harry [14:13] <Ravendor> definitely [14:14] <danae24> Yes...... totally agree Aislinn [14:14] <futureweasley> well, I think that Jo was really setting up Hermione and Ron's "firey" side of their relationship [14:14] <Knight62442> Big theme [14:14] <SoonerGryffindor> How was the trio’s friendship important in GOF? [14:14] <Expelliarmas> it was good that Ron and Harry had their spat in GoF, it made it more realistic [14:14] <fawkes28> ron isn't as mature as hermione and it took him time to be able to see that he should trust harry [14:14] *** juigperez has joined #lounge [14:14] <nympheart> Ron and Hermione keep trying to keep Harry out of trouble [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> Harry totally needed his friends' support to get through the tasks. [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> It's all about teamwork. [14:14] <danae24> they learn that working together is better than working alone or with just another one......... [14:14] <nympheart> they were genuinely concerned about the danger of the TWT [14:14] <harryfreak359> Well, Harry needed their support [14:14] <Expelliarmas> the teamwork aspect was vital in GoF [14:14] <PerfectlyMMAD> It was important in Many ways. With out hermione, Harry would have been lost. He wanted to leave the school but hermy made him see reason [14:14] <danae24> Hermione suffered those fights.... [14:14] <futureweasley> teamwork is so essential...especially to the trio [14:15] <Knight62442> I first felt it was a huge test when Harry and Ron's relationship was strained after the champion announcement [14:15] <MrMcGonagall> We also the friendship being tested again, but this time Ron and Harry. [14:15] <harryfreak359> yep, definitely [14:15] <Knight62442> Harry felt so alone and lost but it allowed him to grow [14:15] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:15] <futureweasley> all friendships hit "snags" [14:15] <danae24> even if she wasnt directly involved, Hermione was pretty much always in the crossfire of the fights [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> wonderful how JKR can write these friendships to be so realistic [14:15] <Aislinn> yes, sooner [14:15] <futureweasley> and Ron's insecurities and hormones are a little too much for his to deal with in GoF [14:15] <Knight62442> Which I think helped him in the graveyard a little. [14:15] <Ravendor> yes, Sooner [14:16] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:16] <Aislinn> she captures the nuances so well [14:16] <Knight62442> *clap* sooner [14:16] <fawkes28> that's why we keep reading [14:16] <Expelliarmas> and rereading [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> if they had all gotten along and had no fights in 6 years, that would just not be real to us [14:16] <fawkes28> and analyzing [14:16] <harryfreak359> and rereading after that [14:16] <Knight62442> and listening on the ipod [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:16] <danae24> you relate to those fights......... [14:16] <Aislinn> it was so understandable that Ron would let his insecurities get to him by this point [14:16] <futureweasley> agreed Aislinn [14:16] <Aislinn> it has to be hard to be best friends with someone like Harry [14:17] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, because they are all maturing from kids to young adults [14:17] *** Ravendor has quit [Bye] [14:17] <fawkes28> they are teenagers after all [14:17] <fawkes28> even though it's very easy to forget [14:17] <Expelliarmas> It was important for Ron to get over it in GoF [14:17] <PerfectlyMMAD> Jelousy (Ron) had a huge part. It seems to be a big theme aso in both POA and GO. Snape jelous of james, makes Snape hate harry, sirius, and Lupin [14:17] <futureweasley> he's got many, and they are valid insecurities...even though we (as outsiders) know he's worth more than he knows [14:17] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [14:17] <futureweasley> hi Jame [14:17] <danae24> Yes, hormones are raging and everyone gets moody...... [14:17] <futureweasley> *Jane [14:17] <nympheart> hi Jane [14:17] <fawkes28> hi jane [14:17] <Aislinn> which I think he's finally realizing FW [14:17] <Expelliarmas> heya, Jane [14:17] <JaneMarple9> biggrin hi future! [14:17] <danae24> Hi Jane! [14:17] <Knight62442> and the ron/harry fight showed us also that this relationship meant more to harry than his relationship to hermione. which makes me sad to think where JKR might be leading in Book 7 (shhh) [14:17] <Aislinn> but not by this point in the story [14:17] <harryfreak359> hi Jane! [14:17] *** Skyaline has joined #lounge [14:17] *** Ravendor has joined #lounge [14:17] <futureweasley> I do too, Aislinn (and thank goodness for that) [14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Jane [14:18] <Knight62442> Hi Jane [14:18] <Ravendor> hey, Jane [14:18] <danae24> wb Ravendor! [14:18] <JaneMarple9> great to see you all smile [14:18] <Ravendor> thanks smile [14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> In PoA, we see the MoM bending rules for Harry and then bumbling its way through the Buckbeak situation. What was your impression of the Ministry in PoA? [14:18] <Ravendor> it seriously needed some help] [14:18] <nympheart> very political [14:18] <danae24> that they wanted to protect Harry........... their hero..... [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> PoA - incompetent. [14:18] <JaneMarple9> They didn't care for anybody elses feelings! [14:18] <nympheart> it's who you know [14:18] <fawkes28> at first i thought they were being nice but by the end i think we all knew the truth [14:19] <Expelliarmas> a totally corrupt system! [14:19] <PerfectlyMMAD> The Ministry means nothing at all. They just seem to be a figure head in both books. [14:19] <Knight62442> okay, that is too political and I may cross into real life - so i will take a break and check football scores smile [14:19] <danae24> they didnt do it just because they were concerned about Harry's safety, but what would the people would say if they killed him in their noses..... [14:19] <fawkes28> i learned that they do not take the justice system siriusly [14:19] <futureweasley> they were being paid off...or seduced by a very manipulative and powerful presence [14:19] <danae24> again, a cuestion of image.... [14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it also gives us a clue that things arent as they seem [14:19] <MrMcGonagall> The Ministry isn't good at handling anything outside the status quo. [14:19] <harryfreak359> I was the same Fawkes [14:19] <JaneMarple9> paid off by the Malfoys [14:20] <futureweasley> right MrM [14:20] <JaneMarple9> friends in high places [14:20] <fawkes28> it's a nice foreshadowing tool as well [14:20] <PerfectlyMMAD> I agree Jane [14:20] <Aislinn> I think we start to see how they represent the worst type of beauracracy [14:20] <futureweasley> yes they do, Aislinn! [14:20] <danae24> yes, the Ministry just wants to lull the wizards into a false sense of security [14:20] <Expelliarmas> we do get our first taste of their need to preserve appearances in PoA with Harry's situation [14:20] *** cbm has joined #lounge [14:20] <MrMcGonagall> The system is more fragile than one would like to believe. [14:20] <futureweasley> wb cbm [14:20] <SoonerGryffindor> wb cbm [14:20] <danae24> wb cbm! [14:20] <harryfreak359> They want everyone to think that they are doing well... [14:20] <Expelliarmas> as to Buckbeak, they want to mollify an influential member of the community [14:21] <cbm> hi again [14:21] <harryfreak359> wb bm [14:21] <harryfreak359> cmb* [14:21] *** Skyaline has quit [Bye] [14:21] <danae24> the Ministry works by their convinience....... not in function of what's correct [14:21] <Ravendor> exactly, danae [14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> In GoF, the Ministry is involved in putting on the Quidditch World Cup and the Tri-Wizard Tournament. How did the Ministry change from PoA to GoF? [14:22] <PerfectlyMMAD> They don't care who hthey hurt as long as they find a way to get what they want [14:22] <futureweasley> more delusional [14:22] <futureweasley> less in control [14:22] <MrMcGonagall> They've got a whole lot more on their plate at the moment. [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they stayed the same, we just see it through Harry's POV which get more mature [14:22] <danae24> not much......... they just wanted to show off at the international delegations..... [14:22] <nympheart> i agree with Sooner [14:22] <Expelliarmas> we get to see they are necessary for organizing an international event, it's a huge undertaking [14:22] <Ravendor> agreed, Sooner [14:22] <cbm> I do not think it ever changed, it has always been disfunctional [14:22] <fawkes28> i think i started to realize how much their influence they have [14:22] <futureweasley> the Ministry was very "out of touch" with the needs of the community [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> and they were stressed having to put on and organize the game [14:23] <PerfectlyMMAD> MoM became more scattered, but they know their power to influance people, and ake people's lives Hell. [14:23] <danae24> the ministry stinks even more in GoF [14:23] <cbm> With Fudge doing Lucius's bidding instead of the magical communitys [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I know I personally am not my usual self when I am totally stressed [14:23] <MrMcGonagall> How about how they handled the QWC fiasco? [14:23] *** PerhapsIamdelusional has joined #lounge [14:23] <danae24> especially by not believing Harry............. [14:23] <Expelliarmas> they put on a huge event, but still managed not to do enough for security [14:23] <PerhapsIamdelusional> hi [14:23] <fawkes28> i think the fiasco at the world cup threw the ministry off even more [14:23] <Ravendor> hi smile [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that could have been handled a lot better Mr M, but they could have also done worse [14:24] <Expelliarmas> heya delusional [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> True, they did get things under control in the end. [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> hi delusional [14:24] <PerhapsIamdelusional> hello [14:24] <PerhapsIamdelusional> what's the discussion? [14:24] <danae24> they never expected that the evil was going to rise again........... they were still in the idea that LV had been vanquished completely..... [14:24] <JaneMarple9> yes their security failed at the world cup [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> right now we are discussing books 3 and 4 and talking about the MoM and the QWC [14:25] <MrMcGonagall> I think there's an element of denial that there are really still dark forces out there. [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> Who was at fault for allowing the Death Eaters to run amok? [14:25] <danae24> so when the whole riot on the QWC came, they werent prepared for that.... [14:25] <JaneMarple9> I don't think the MOM really believed in Lord Voldemort, thought it was just a story [14:25] <harryfreak359> Well... [14:25] <JaneMarple9> Who was at fault....err Voldemort biggrin [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, it kinda goes back 13 years [14:25] <harryfreak359> I don't know if I'd blame it on anyone really... [14:25] <Expelliarmas> the MoM was at fault, how many DEs could there have been after all? [14:25] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [14:25] <MrMcGonagall> As we've learned in the real world, it's hard to anticipate every terrorist act. [14:25] <nympheart> I don't blame the ministry [14:25] *** cbm has joined #lounge [14:25] <Expelliarmas> The DEs did not know LV was coming back [14:25] <harryfreak359> I mean, it is partly the MoM's fault [14:25] <nympheart> wb cbm [14:25] <Aislinn> I'm not sure that sort of thing can be totally controlled for [14:26] *** fw00per has joined #lounge [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there were a lot of factors in play that night [14:26] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> welome fwOOper [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> I do think the ministry managed to get things under control fairly quickly. [14:26] <danae24> it's the DE''s fault............ not even the best Seer could have prevented that attack [14:26] <JaneMarple9> The MoM should had planned more [14:26] <nympheart> i think so too danae [14:26] <Expelliarmas> there just don't seem to be that many DEs left, and the place was swarming with MoM wizards, how could they let the things get so out of control? [14:26] <PerhapsIamdelusional> but it's their own fault they didn't believe Harry and DD, isn't it? [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> right. Kinda like modern day terrorist attacks [14:26] <nympheart> the MoM should have been more organized, but it's not their fault the DEs attacked [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> you can do all sorts of preventative stuff, but can you really stop it? [14:26] <harryfreak359> I think they should have had more security gaurds or something around thougrh [14:27] <danae24> nobody knew what to do Expelliarmas, it just caught everyone by surprise.... [14:27] <harryfreak359> though* [14:27] <JaneMarple9> nice similie Sooner, very much like that [14:27] <PerfectlyMMAD> some of the MoM are death eaters. [14:27] <Aislinn> right sooner [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks Jane [14:27] <Expelliarmas> I think it says something about how poorly trained the MoM wizards are that they could not deal with the unexpected [14:27] <harryfreak359> yes, sooner [14:27] <MrMcGonagall> Was it such a good idea to be using a Muggle campground in the first place? [14:27] <danae24> No......... [14:27] <harryfreak359> um, I don't think so [14:27] <nympheart> i don't think it matters [14:27] <PerhapsIamdelusional> maybe not [14:27] <cbm> no [14:27] *** overthemoony has joined #lounge [14:27] <Ravendor> probably not, MrM [14:27] <JaneMarple9> Maybe it was the biggest they could find? [14:27] <Expelliarmas> How many wizards own campgrounds, though? [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> right. Just after my country learned after 9/11, there was a whole lot more that could have been done as far as training, response, etc,,,,, [14:28] <nympheart> that really shouldn't be a problem [14:28] <PerfectlyMMAD> with out step by step intructions they are hopeless [14:28] <danae24> lol MMAD!! [14:28] <Ravendor> hey, overthemoony [14:28] <MrMcGonagall> I think the Ministry has just been underestimating some of the dark elements in thir world for some time. [14:28] <overthemoony> Hi all. Hi Ravendor. [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Hagrid becomes the Care of Magical Creatures teacher in PoA. He introduced skrewts in GoF. How did Hagrid’s role as CMC teacher bridge from PoA to GoF? [14:28] <JaneMarple9> Bit too close to Muggles really [14:28] <danae24> Yes, agree with that Mr. M! [14:28] <Expelliarmas> underestimating or pretending not to see the signs? [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Mr M [14:28] <PerhapsIamdelusional> uhh [14:29] <harryfreak359> He got a little more confidence back I think [14:29] <Knight62442> I agree with Expel comment that after 13 years, the MOM is out of practice and didn't know what to do with the attack [14:29] <nympheart> He took more creative license in GoF [14:29] <fawkes28> i think he started feeling more comfortable as an authority figure [14:29] <nympheart> which might not be a good thing [14:29] <harryfreak359> to move from flobberworms to blast-ended skrewts [14:29] <JaneMarple9> He taught Harry about more dangerous creatures [14:29] <danae24> Hagrid got more confidence in himself, that he wasnt a hopeless case of a wizard.... [14:29] <Knight62442> More settled in his teaching job and more confident [14:29] <Ravendor> agreed, danae [14:29] <MrMcGonagall> Creatures are very important in both books [14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think that he was trying to protect Buckbeak by laying low the rest of the year in PoA [14:29] <futureweasley> he's no longer "a joke". I'm not saying that I thought he was to begin with, but becoming a teacher should have made the student body give him more respect [14:29] <PerhapsIamdelusional> he always liked the more dangerous creatures though [14:29] <JaneMarple9> Yes he was lot more confident in book 4 [14:29] <harryfreak359> yes, Futurue, i agree [14:30] <danae24> I even think that a lot of what Hagrid taught Harry will come to play in book 7 [14:30] <Knight62442> And he showed that he is pretty smart cross breeding [14:30] <fawkes28> i think he had a lot fo confidence also because of the support from the trio [14:30] <danae24> I dont think it was that smart, knight..... [14:30] <harryfreak359> he's no longer the gameskeeper that was expelled in his 3rd year, he's a professor instead [14:30] <JaneMarple9> yes the trio boosted his confidence [14:30] <nympheart> it was smart, just not wise [14:30] <harryfreak359> ahh... [14:30] <SoonerGryffindor> after Buckbeak escaped, he could go back to his original teaching plan [14:30] <Knight62442> Right, [14:30] <harryfreak359> I've got to go [14:30] <JaneMarple9> sometimes he needed a bit of a boost [14:30] <SoonerGryffindor> bye hf [14:30] <Ravendor> bye, hf [14:30] <danae24> bye harryfreak!! [14:30] <nympheart> bye harryfreak [14:30] <harryfreak359> see you all later!!!! hug [14:30] <PerhapsIamdelusional> byebye [14:30] <MrMcGonagall> Bye hf. [14:30] <Knight62442> bye hf [14:30] <JaneMarple9> take care harry freak [14:30] <fawkes28> bye, hf! [14:30] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [14:31] <Aislinn> bye hf [14:31] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:31] <PerhapsIamdelusional> hi Alexk [14:31] <Ravendor> hey, Alexk [14:31] <Alexk> hello [14:31] <nympheart> hi alex [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Alex [14:31] <PerfectlyMMAD> ello ALex [14:31] <Knight62442> hi alex [14:31] <danae24> hi Alexk! [14:31] <Alexk> hi everyone [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> too bad poor Hagrid only had one good year [14:32] <Alexk> what's teh topic [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:32] <PerfectlyMMAD> too true [14:32] <Alexk> *the [14:32] <PerhapsIamdelusional> which year was that? [14:32] <danae24> yes.......... too bad.......... [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Alex, right now we are talking about book 4 [14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Hagrid gets outed as a half-Giant. What did you think of that? Did you suspect he was a Giant all along, or were you surprised? Why? [14:32] <MrMcGonagall> Well, it does make sense. [14:32] <nympheart> i didn't suspect, but I wasn't surprised either [14:32] <futureweasley> I knew there had to be something [14:33] <Ravendor> same as nympheart [14:33] <danae24> Yes, since book 1, I kind of suspect it.... [14:33] <fawkes28> not too surprised but it didnt matter to me either way [14:33] <JaneMarple9> I wasn't exactly surprised...he was rather a large wizard! [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved knowing finally [14:33] <MrMcGonagall> We haven't really heard too much about giants, before. [14:33] <PerhapsIamdelusional> I wasn't surprised that he wasn't completely human, but I wasn't sure he'd be a giant [14:33] <PerfectlyMMAD> It makes sence, I just was not thinking about it before that [14:33] <Knight62442> I wasn't surprised [14:33] <Expelliarmas> I thought there was more to him, but wasn't surprised [14:33] <Alexk> I had no idea what he was until they said he was a giant [14:33] <fawkes28> it didnt affect how i thought about him...he was still hagrid [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> and suddenly things started making more sense [14:33] <nympheart> same fawkes [14:33] <Ravendor> same, Fawkes [14:33] <JaneMarple9> It doesn't matter if he is giant for me, he's still a lovely character smile [14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> like why everyone assumed he was guilty in CoS [14:33] <danae24> to have hands the size of trash can lids............. that gives you an anvil sized clue..... [14:33] <PerhapsIamdelusional> too true [14:33] <futureweasley> when Jo described him in Book 1, I was convinced he was all giant [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that its precious that the largest character also has the biggest heart [14:34] <futureweasley> and that Harry just didn't know there there really were giants in the world [14:34] <Knight62442> Right fawkes. I read what Ron said and that is actually what i thought..Anyone that knows him, knows he isn't giant like [14:34] <Knight62442> ah sooner [14:34] *** Katha has joined #lounge [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Katha [14:34] <PerhapsIamdelusional> I wasn't, cos I had only read the translation at that time, and didn't know what a giant was:P [14:34] <futureweasley> hi hatha [14:34] <Ravendor> hey, Katha [14:34] <Katha> hi, thanks [14:34] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [14:34] <Alexk> hi [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> Poor Hagrid. Rita Skeeter claims another victim. [14:34] <Expelliarmas> more importantly, it was nice that Harry and Hermione didn't care he was a half-Giant and Ron got over it [14:34] <fawkes28> hi pleshette [14:34] <PerhapsIamdelusional> hello [14:34] <danae24> It's a big, hairy teddy bear.......... he is truly sweet and kind............ that's what makes him an even special half-giant [14:34] <Alexk> but he's also the most oblivious character [14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Pleshette!!! [14:34] <Expelliarmas> heya pleshette [14:35] * futureweasley hugs Pleshette [14:35] <Pleshette> Hey everyone! [14:35] <MrMcGonagall> Pleshette! Squeee! [14:35] <danae24> Hello Pleshette! [14:35] <Ravendor> hey, Pleshette [14:35] <Knight62442> agh, don't get me started on Rita's path on destruction [14:35] <futureweasley> !halfop Pleshette [14:35] *** mode/#lounge [+h Pleshette] by Snuffles [14:35] <Knight62442> Hiya Pleshette [14:35] <JaneMarple9> hi Pleshette smile [14:35] <PerhapsIamdelusional> she did have a certain popint though [14:35] <Alexk> hi [14:35] <Pleshette> Oo I feel so welcomed! smile [14:35] <PerhapsIamdelusional> **point [14:35] * Pleshette future [14:35] * Pleshette hugs future [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the contrast between the way Hagrid reacts to it versus Madame Maxime [14:36] <Knight62442> I know JKR puts the right personality on characters but I handled Umbridge's personality better than I liked Rita's [14:36] <futureweasley> ooh, me too [14:36] <danae24> Madame Maxime is ashamed of being a giant...... [14:36] <PerfectlyMMAD> same [14:36] <JaneMarple9> yes, Hagrid isn't ashamed of being half-giant [14:36] <Aislinn> really? [14:36] <futureweasley> Maxine is ashamed of it, and tries to deny it [14:36] <PerhapsIamdelusional> it was funny when Maxime got furious and said she had "big bones" [14:36] <Expelliarmas> well, Hagrid got hate mail, he was initially embarrassed about being outed [14:36] <PerhapsIamdelusional> **Maxime [14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> well, Hagrid is shamed, but only because of the way people reacted. He is so sensitive [14:37] <PerhapsIamdelusional> poor guy [14:37] <fawkes28> but i think the difference between the two is that hagrid knows the people who truely care about him don't care [14:37] <Knight62442> Maxime doesn't want to be scandalized in Book 4 but then she goes looking for giants in Book 5, what a change Hagrid makes in her [14:37] <PerfectlyMMAD> He is really like a swwet little puppy [14:37] <danae24> but it's understanding on the side of Madam Maxime, seeing that she comes from a place where looks are all that counts..... [14:37] <Pleshette> Good point Knight [14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well, and no offense against Hagrid, but Madame Maxime is a more prominent person. She had a lot to lose [14:37] <MrMcGonagall> True, Sooner. [14:37] <PerfectlyMMAD> I agree sooner [14:37] <futureweasley> well, wizards fear Giants as Muggles fear wizards [14:37] <Knight62442> very true Sooner [14:37] <Pleshette> Yes [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I can see her being more guarded about it [14:38] <JaneMarple9> Hagrid's just a big friendly giant smile Maxime is scared of who she is [14:38] <danae24> Hagrid shows Maxime that it's right to be a half-giant without getting ashamed of it..... [14:38] *** zajamaru has joined #lounge [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Jane [14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome zajamaru [14:38] <futureweasley> so, there is definitely an aura of "understanding" as to why Maxine wouldn't want people to know [14:38] <PerhapsIamdelusional> hi zajamaru [14:38] <Ravendor> hey, zajamaru [14:38] <danae24> maybe she fears the worst........ they say female giants arent that nice..... [14:38] <zajamaru> Hi, everybody. [14:38] <PerhapsIamdelusional> but it's honestly nothing to be ashamed of [14:38] <Expelliarmas> well, if Ron's reaction is anything to go by, how do you think the Beauxbatons parents would react to finding out the headmistress is half-Giant? [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> right future, and I think that some people may judge her a litte to harshly because of it [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Expie [14:39] <Aislinn> I'm sure they would object Expie [14:39] <futureweasley> Is she still the headmistress? [14:39] * SoonerGryffindor wants to hunt down Rita Skeeter now [14:39] <PerhapsIamdelusional> I think so [14:39] <Pleshette> I believe so [14:39] <PerfectlyMMAD> my aunt is kicking me off on thret of Death. Bye! [14:39] <JaneMarple9> yes some people would rather hide their ancestory [14:39] <Knight62442> yeah, why did anyone not question that when they came to Beauxbatons [14:39] <danae24> it's like someone was ashamed of using glasses or something like that..... [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she is FW [14:39] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Mmad [14:39] <PerhapsIamdelusional> bye [14:39] <futureweasley> bye MMAD [14:39] <Expelliarmas> bye mmad [14:39] *** PerfectlyMMAD has quit [Bye] [14:39] <nympheart> bye [14:39] <Knight62442> bye mmad [14:39] <Alexk> bye [14:40] <danae24> bye MMAD! [14:40] <PerhapsIamdelusional> FW? What's that mean? [14:40] <JaneMarple9> Oh Rita came good in the next book, she's not that bad smile [14:40] <Ravendor> bye, MMad [14:40] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape was a big factor in PoA–we learned about Sirius’ prank on him there. He is not as big a factor in GOF, but we learn he was a former Death Eater. Did that surprise you? Why or why not? [14:40] <nympheart> hi Val [14:40] <futureweasley> FW is me...futureweasley [14:40] <PerhapsIamdelusional> hey Val_Halla [14:40] <JaneMarple9> FutureWeasley = FW [14:40] <MrMcGonagall> there are other ways to be abnormally large in the wizard world. [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Val Halla [14:40] <PerhapsIamdelusional> oh [14:40] <Knight62442> NO surprise [14:40] <nympheart> I was surprised [14:40] <Aislinn> didn't surprise me any [14:40] <zajamaru> Not surprising at all that Snape was a former death eater. question is, is he still. [14:40] <Val_Halla> better late than never [14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> *hehehehe* [14:40] <fawkes28> lol [14:40] <MrMcGonagall> It's hardly a shock, given his personality. [14:40] <Expelliarmas> the nasty, greasy git being a former DE, surprising? noooo [14:40] <JaneMarple9> didn't surprise me...sort of person who would be one biggrin [14:41] <fawkes28> no comment [14:41] <danae24> It did.......... we had seen that he was bad, but not THAT bad..... [14:41] <nympheart> I was surprised he worked at Hogwarts and near Harry if he was a DE [14:41] <Knight62442> lol expell [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> you got here for the best part VH [14:41] <PerhapsIamdelusional> wasn't too shocked [14:41] * MrMcGonagall knows Sooner has been waiting for this question. [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:41] <Ravendor> I was mildly surprised, but not shocked [14:41] <Knight62442> YEAH Nebraska! [14:41] <JaneMarple9> Where you surprised Sooner? smile [14:41] <Knight62442> sorry [14:41] <Val_Halla> I was not shocked but I was slightly surprised [14:41] <Expelliarmas> the shock was that DD would let him in at Hogwarts [14:41] <cbm> Just saw the question, It did not surprise me at all!! [14:41] <fw00per> surprised, but more curious about who else knew of his past [14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> it really didnt surprise me [14:41] <Pleshette> I wasn't surprised but wondered where Snape was sent by DD [14:41] <fawkes28> snape was good in GoF and it is a shame we had to find out that he WAS a DE [14:41] <danae24> Yes, I agree Expelliarmas [14:42] <futureweasley> lol cbm [14:42] <Aislinn> I would have been surprised if he hadn't been a DE [14:42] <PerhapsIamdelusional> but maybe snape did something to earn DDs trust [14:42] <JaneMarple9> Yes thats a good point, Dumbledore must have trusted Snape greatly [14:42] <nympheart> but DD was fooled [14:42] <cbm> i agree with aislinn [14:42] <zajamaru> He must have all the business about spying for DD at "great personal risk." [14:42] <futureweasley> Check out the thread in the forum called "Snape's Loyalty"...it goes on for miles [14:42] <danae24> he did something...... [14:42] <fw00per> not sure I agree with Harry's view of why DD trusted Snape [14:42] <Expelliarmas> and miles [14:42] <JaneMarple9> Dumbledore was fooled yes sad [14:42] <Val_Halla> I just can't believe anyone could fool DD [14:42] <PerhapsIamdelusional> are you sure he was fooled? [14:42] <Expelliarmas> but, since we are not This post has been edited by Aislinn: Oct 21 2006, 02:53 PM |
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[14:42] <Expelliarmas> but, since we are not on the question of Snape's loyalty ...
[14:43] <fawkes28> however, since we are talking about GoF, snape did not do anything wrong! [14:43] <zajamaru> No, we're not sure. He may turn out good in the end. [14:43] <Knight62442> that is a good thread future [14:43] <nympheart> personally, yes [14:43] <PerhapsIamdelusional> to me it seems like DD was begging Snape to kll him [14:43] <Aislinn> he could have been - as Harry notices, he is set on seeing the best in people [14:43] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think it was a surprising revelation in GoF, but certainly an important one. [14:43] <zajamaru> Many hold that theory about DD begging to be killed. [14:43] <Expelliarmas> let's try and stay on topic, folks [14:43] <danae24> Snape shows off as a mean people, but not bad until HBP..... [14:43] <JaneMarple9> I don't think Dumbledore realised how close Snape was to Lord Voldemort [14:43] <fawkes28> in GoF, snape's character is secondary [14:43] <Val_Halla> I don't think Snape was that close to LV before [14:44] <nympheart> he was after the prophecy [14:44] <PerhapsIamdelusional> one last question on snapes loyalty: good or bad? [14:44] <zajamaru> Can anyone be close to Lord Voldemort, really? [14:44] <futureweasley> no [14:44] <Val_Halla> But he is more valuable to LV now and more strategically placed [14:44] <Alexk> I don't think either lv or dumbledore ever fully trusted snape [14:44] <Knight62442> The relationship between Karkoff and Snape was a litte mini story that was a nice mix to add in [14:44] <danae24> so that's why we get in shock when we found out that Snape was a DE, because we see the mean in him.... not really the bad.... [14:44] <futureweasley> I didn't see that coming at all, Knight [14:44] <Pleshette> Yes I was just thinking that Knight [14:44] <JaneMarple9> no, nobody can be really close to Voldemort I don't think [14:44] <futureweasley> that was really interesting to me...2 DEs that had defected [14:44] <Knight62442> Which in the graveyard scene made it even more interesting when LV went into the missing DE speech [14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Percy is somewhat annoying in PoA. But he did get a load of NEWTs and his ambition has been to get into the Ministry, which he did. What did you think of Percy in PoA? [14:44] <MrMcGonagall> I almost wonder that we wouldn't have been suspecting nsape of being a DE all along, given so maany factors that worked in favor of that theory. [14:44] <Pleshette> Kept me guessing the whole way through [14:44] *** juigperez has quit [Bye] [14:45] <PerhapsIamdelusional> He's somewhat of a prick [14:45] <nympheart> he was a bit irritating, as usual [14:45] <Expelliarmas> In PoA, we saw what Percy was like with a little power and prestige [14:45] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:45] <JaneMarple9> Percy gets more annoying in each book [14:45] <Knight62442> As the brothers say a BIG fat GIT [14:45] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't think of Percy much at all. He's even more of a git in GoF. [14:45] <fawkes28> wb, hf [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> more foreshadowing [14:45] <danae24> Percy comes out as another one that is inconformed with the way his family lives..... [14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> wb hf [14:45] <Ravendor> wb, hf [14:45] <overthemoony> Percy just gets increasingly irritating. [14:45] <Expelliarmas> he was irritating; but, he had the other Weasleys to keep him in check [14:45] <harryfreak359> hi, again! What's the current question? [14:45] <Knight62442> remember the books he was looking at in COS - ambition [14:45] <PerhapsIamdelusional> He's even worse in OotP though [14:45] <fawkes28> it showed how much percy enjoys power, which scared me [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> Percy is definitely following the path he has chosen. [14:46] <nympheart> what do you think of Percy in PoA [14:46] <Aislinn> he was fairly inocuous in PoA [14:46] <Ravendor> I agree, fawkes [14:46] <JaneMarple9> In this one he is working for his own ends, to make himself more important and get a more important job in GoF [14:46] <danae24> Percy starts showing his true colors..... [14:46] <Knight62442> Right Fawkes, what is he capable of [14:46] <Expelliarmas> he was desperate for the recognition of his Head Boy status [14:46] <JaneMarple9> Yes Percy certainly shows his true colours [14:46] <MrMcGonagall> I think we see a dramatic development in his character in GoF. [14:47] <fw00per> Percy's so in love with the rules that he doesn't see how they apply to the big picture [14:47] <JaneMarple9> Not sure if that will be red for Gryffindor or green for..... [14:47] <PerhapsIamdelusional> I think he would be a very easy target for the Imperius [14:47] <harryfreak359> I agree MrMcG [14:47] *** zajamaru has quit [Bye] [14:47] <danae24> in a way.... he too wants to be noticed.......... and thinks that is the way that he has to live, fighting for the spotlight.... [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> His success always seems to go to his head. [14:47] <Pleshette> He's trying to make a good impression in the Ministry [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> Big Head Boy. [14:47] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [14:47] <Pleshette> Exactly Mr McG [14:47] <JaneMarple9> Yes perhaps he would be a easy target for the impervious curse [14:47] <Val_Halla> Percy seems to be embarassed of his family [14:47] <fawkes28> percy is very ambitious and his true colors really start showing [14:48] <nympheart> that's a point Jane [14:48] <Pleshette> Weatherby [14:48] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [14:48] <Knight62442> yes he doesn't want to be associated with his father or the twins [14:48] <Ravendor> yeah, Jane, good point [14:48] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [14:48] <JaneMarple9> I think he is more embrassed of the Twins and his Dad [14:48] <Knight62442> and the twins are becoming more successful than he is [14:48] <PerhapsIamdelusional> So does anyone think he'll be usd by Voldy in the future? [14:48] <JaneMarple9> I think he really loves Molly though [14:48] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [14:48] <nympheart> he was proud when Ron got prefect [14:48] <Expelliarmas> Sirius returns in GoF and he is a fountain of information. What did you think of Sirius’ return from hiding back to Britain? [14:48] <Alexk> i don't think he'd betray his family [14:48] <Val_Halla> Percy is more concerned with appearances than substance or true character [14:48] <overthemoony> Jane, why do you think that? [14:48] <JaneMarple9> I think it's possible yes [14:48] <danae24> I dissagree Jane.. he feels more embarassed by his dad, being a Muggle lover [14:49] <nympheart> I admired Sirius's desire to protect Harry [14:49] <MrMcGonagall> I love Sirius' concern for Harry and the desire to be close. [14:49] <PerhapsIamdelusional> RISKY [14:49] <fawkes28> i was excited to see what role he was going to play in this book when i first read it [14:49] <danae24> Sirius is a good source of knowledge and comfort for Harry.......... [14:49] *** isa has joined #lounge [14:49] <Aislinn> I think it was very in character for Sirius [14:49] <Ravendor> agreed, nympheart and MrM [14:49] *** isa has quit [Bye] [14:49] <Aislinn> he is very loyal to his friends [14:49] <JaneMarple9> Sirius was thinking of Harry and acted on impulse...as usual smile [14:49] <Pleshette> And I love how Harry turns to Sirius to seek advice [14:49] <Alexk> it shows howmcuh he'd risk to help harry [14:49] <Knight62442> I like the way Sirius' character is in GOF [14:49] <Expelliarmas> very risky, but then he did take his role as godfather sirusly [14:49] <futureweasley> I think that Sirius needed to LIVE after being imprisoned...and returning to Grimmauld Place, however "confined" he was, helped him to see Harry and feel alive [14:49] <Alexk> *much [14:49] <fawkes28> and thus loyal to harry [14:49] <MrMcGonagall> Sirius is willing to take big risks for Harry. [14:49] <Knight62442> it was risky but very loyal [14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink it shows how much he loved Harry [14:50] <JaneMarple9> Yes Harry turns to Sirius rather than Dumbledore in GoF [14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Lcry: [14:50] <fawkes28> i think sirius feels the need to make up things to harry [14:50] <futureweasley> Sirius is a risktaker [14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> happy_crying [14:50] <Knight62442> I agree with future [14:50] <MrMcGonagall> That's why I knew Sirius was doomed in OotP. [14:50] <danae24> I like the way Sirius acts very grown up for Harry... while still making a few crazy things.... [14:50] <futureweasley> and I love that about him...he's careless at times, but almost fearless [14:50] <MrMcGonagall> He's the risktaker. [14:50] <Knight62442> He feels responsible for James and Lily and will do anything for Harry [14:50] <Val_Halla> Sirius's carelessness annoys me [14:50] <JaneMarple9> Yes Knight, totally agree [14:50] <Pleshette> He's enjoying his freedom even though he is on the run [14:51] <JaneMarple9> he considers Harry to be a minature James [14:51] <harryfreak359> I agree Pleshette [14:51] <MrMcGonagall> At least he's pretty cautious in GoF, even though he does return. [14:51] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M - definitely a risk taker [14:51] *** overthemoony has quit [Bye] [14:51] <JaneMarple9> and wants to live his childhood again [14:51] <Alexk> i think so jane [14:51] <Aislinn> cautious for Harry,, but not himself [14:51] <PerhapsIamdelusional> I wish they had shown more of him in the movie [14:51] <fw00per> he's been bottle up for so many years and now has a chance to actually DO something [14:51] <danae24> he wants James back............. [14:51] <Knight62442> good way of putting it Aislinn [14:52] <JaneMarple9> Yes Azkaban must had been lonley [14:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Sirius and Snape loathe each other in PoA. Snape was angry at Sirius’ escape in PoA. What did you think of his reaction to Sirius’ return in GoF? [14:52] <danae24> Sirius said so himself.... he saw in James the only family he had..... [14:52] <nympheart> "this spells trouble" [14:52] <Val_Halla> I found his shock a little unbelievable [14:52] <JaneMarple9> Snape wasn't too happy was he? smile [14:52] * SoonerGryffindor loves all of the friction [14:52] <Pleshette> I'm sure he hated to see sirius return [14:52] <danae24> he is still mad..... but he knows Sirius is innocent [14:52] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder how angry Snape was at DD at that point. [14:52] * harryfreak359 agrees with Sooner [14:52] <Knight62442> Loved it, [14:52] <fawkes28> snape was livid [14:52] <Expelliarmas> Snape relived d the loss of his Order of Merlin medal! [14:52] <Pleshette> True Mr. McG [14:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved it when Sirius turned from his dog animagus in front of Snape [14:52] <SoonerGryffindor> classic! [14:52] <JaneMarple9> I think he hates Sirius even more than Harry [14:52] <Expelliarmas> he also relived the prank [14:52] <PerhapsIamdelusional> he didn't deserve the Order of Merlin [14:53] <fawkes28> lol sirius is bold [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I also loved the "handshake" they hd [14:53] <Aislinn> I agree Jane [14:53] <Val_Halla> The scene where thay have to shake hands is my fave in the series [14:53] <Ravendor> agreed, Sooner [14:53] <Expelliarmas> he hates Harry, he despises Sirius [14:53] *** fw00per left #lounge [] [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> lol VH -- same though [14:53] <MrMcGonagall> The end of GoF is so brilliantly written. I just love it. [14:53] <fawkes28> tis also gave snape a reason to hate harry even more [14:53] <futureweasley> I don't like their interactions...it's like they are 15 again [14:53] * Pleshette wanted to see that in the movie [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> *thought' [14:53] <JaneMarple9> Yes Dumbledore tried to make them make friends again [14:53] <futureweasley> I always feel uncomfortable [14:53] <JaneMarple9> like little kids biggrin [14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> well fw, sirius is a classic case of arrested development [14:53] <Katha> oh yeah so did I Pleshette [14:53] <Ravendor> I agree mostly, future, but I thought the handshake was funny [14:53] <futureweasley> friends, period. they were never friends before [14:53] <Pleshette> You can cut the tension with a knife [14:53] <Val_Halla> I so agree with you Sooner [14:54] <danae24> Yes..... totally want to see that on the movie [14:54] <fawkes28> which makes for great reading [14:54] <JaneMarple9> yes sorry, they were never friends biggrin [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> What other themes did you see carried over from POA to GOF? [14:54] <futureweasley> whatever made DD think they could become friends so late in life after all that's happened is beyond me [14:54] <Knight62442> I think it is a little ironic that Snape could not see how DD sees Sirius as innocent when DD wants people to not see Snape as a former DE [14:54] <PerhapsIamdelusional> I wish they had put the shake in the movie [14:54] <harryfreak359> I agree with you, Sooner as well [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> me too guys, me too [14:54] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I see Sirius carried over for sure [14:54] <nympheart> i agree future [14:54] <PerhapsIamdelusional> "Dark and diffiult times lie ahead" [14:54] <danae24> love! [14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> sterssed friendships as well [14:54] <JaneMarple9> Yes slight oversight by Dumbledore. Surely he realised they'd never get along [14:54] <Aislinn> yes, sooner [14:54] <Aislinn> that was big in both books [14:55] <PerhapsIamdelusional> a greater challenge [14:55] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [14:55] <Pleshette> growing pains [14:55] <nympheart> sportsmanship [14:55] <futureweasley> frustration, confusion, loyalty, bravery [14:55] <danae24> you start too see the feelings start to grow even more..... they start in PoA, but they get more intense in GoF [14:55] <fawkes28> the books keep getting darker and darker [14:55] <SoonerGryffindor> growing up, becoming teens. Cedric [14:55] <Expelliarmas> teamwork [14:55] <MrMcGonagall> cooperation [14:55] <harryfreak359> Eek! Lag...did I miss a question? [14:55] <SoonerGryffindor> What other themes did you see carried over from POA to GOF? [14:55] <Knight62442> Harry doing certain things on his own - dementors, graveyard - growing [14:55] <SoonerGryffindor> that was the last one I snuck in HF [14:55] <fawkes28> PoA was the last book of innocence in my opinion [14:55] <JaneMarple9> friendship smile [14:55] <harryfreak359> thanks, Sooner smile [14:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree fawkes [14:55] <Knight62442> but then the stengthening of friendship [14:55] <danae24> yes.... in a way it was fawkes [14:55] <MrMcGonagall> Unbelievable plot twists. [14:55] <harryfreak359> teamwork is a good one [14:56] <JaneMarple9> The trio's friendship grows so much in gof [14:56] <fawkes28> because in GoF we have our first murder of this new war [14:56] * futureweasley breaks out the Kleenex [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> good one Mr M [14:56] <Expelliarmas> I thought so too, fawkes, everything changes in GoF [14:56] <PerhapsIamdelusional> I never thought of it that way fawkes [14:56] <harryfreak359> lol MrMcG [14:56] <Pleshette> Prejudice against those who are not pureblood [14:56] <MrMcGonagall> Secret villains - wolves in sheep's clothing. [14:56] <Aislinn> yes, I agree that teamwork is an important theme [14:56] <JaneMarple9> But we see how Ron even has doubts about harry [14:56] <danae24> Trust............... [14:56] <Expelliarmas> actually, we have our first murders, Bertha, Frank Bryce, Cedric [14:56] <futureweasley> no, Ron has doubts about himself [14:56] <JaneMarple9> sometimes friends find it hard to trust each other [14:56] <fawkes28> it's like harry went into the maze as a boy and came out as a man [14:56] <Knight62442> More background story - first the Marauder's then the Riddles [14:56] <Aislinn> initially in GoF Jane, but he works through it [14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Peter Pettigrew-- stupid rat -- is another connection [14:56] *** TigerLilyEvans has joined #lounge [14:57] <futureweasley> he just projects them upon Harry [14:57] <Pleshette> Sometimes friends think they know each other well when they really don't [14:57] <Aislinn> it was a violent book, wasn't it expie? [14:57] <Katha> I think you really start to see how little the Ministry knows (or cares to admit to knowing) in PoA and that carries over in GoF [14:57] <PerhapsIamdelusional> what about Peter's life debt to HArry? [14:57] <harryfreak359> fairness... [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> aww, tiger, we are almost done [14:57] <JaneMarple9> It was great, the way the gof begins with Frank Bryce's murder [14:57] <danae24> No................. I dont want to go just yet... [14:57] <Expelliarmas> it was Aislinn, but there's the darkness of it [14:57] <JaneMarple9> we see the foreshadowing of book 6 [14:57] <Pleshette> How evil evil can be [14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> So, did everybody get sorted for their Reading Group? Are you ready to get into GOF? [14:57] <JaneMarple9> Nor do I danae but I don't think we have a choice smile [14:57] <danae24> and how important Mr. Blood can be [14:58] <harryfreak359> Yes!!!!1 [14:58] <Alexk> before lv comes back, the books are much lighter [14:58] <fawkes28> yes! [14:58] <Ravendor> yes to both! [14:58] <Knight62442> Yep, ready to get started [14:58] <nympheart> you bet! [14:58] <PerhapsIamdelusional> how do I get sorted? [14:58] <futureweasley> Room 10, baby! [14:58] <Pleshette> Woo Hoo!! [14:58] <Katha> yep yep [14:58] <PerhapsIamdelusional> lol [14:58] <harryfreak359> and yes! [14:58] <Val_Halla> Yes! [14:58] <Aislinn> I am very ready to get into GoF [14:58] <Expelliarmas> awww yeah! [14:58] <SoonerGryffindor> http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?act=rgs&CODE=01 [14:58] <JaneMarple9> Oh well sorted into the RG's [14:58] <futureweasley> I can't wait. GoF is my favorite book in the series [14:58] <danae24> Yes, chamber 37! [14:58] <JaneMarple9> very excited [14:58] <fawkes28> chamber 13! woot! [14:58] <Pleshette> I'll be flitting around visiting you all! [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> I'm completely ready! Weeks and weeks of reading group fun! [14:58] <Alexk> yup! [14:58] <fawkes28> haha [14:58] <SoonerGryffindor> that is the link if anybody needs it [14:58] <Knight62442> Chamber 13 here [14:58] <Expelliarmas> The Atrium! room 18 [14:58] <JaneMarple9> basement 10! [14:58] <harryfreak359> chamber 13!!!! Woo...whoo hoo! [14:58] <PerhapsIamdelusional> hanks [14:58] <TigerLilyEvans> mmmm [14:58] <Ravendor> another room 10 here! [14:58] <MrMcGonagall> See you all around the Great Hall. [14:58] <Katha> chamber 13 here [14:58] <JaneMarple9> And we;ve got until February! [14:58] <Pleshette> GOF rocks! [14:58] <Val_Halla> Chamber 37 [14:58] <danae24> See ya in the Great Hall! [14:58] <futureweasley> Did you guys see that?! Fawkes WOOTED?! [14:59] <Knight62442> See everyone in the hall. [14:59] <MrMcGonagall> Chamber 7 next to the kitchen. [14:59] <Expelliarmas> fawkes Wooting? oh my! [14:59] <fawkes28> hehe [14:59] * harryfreak359 faints [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry982342 [14:59] <Pleshette> Hugs and chocolate to you all! smile [14:59] <Aislinn> there is another chat here tonight folks - we'll be discussing one of the Scribbulus essays on Jo's influence on us [14:59] <fawkes28> they are getting to me [14:59] <JaneMarple9> A massive long book this time [14:59] <nympheart> mine too future [14:59] <nympheart> 007 [14:59] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> can you guys please vot in that poll? [14:59] <danae24> chocolate! [14:59] <PerhapsIamdelusional> ure [14:59] <Knight62442> wow, until February great!! [14:59] <PerhapsIamdelusional> **sure [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> we need your input for the games to play next week [14:59] <JaneMarple9> chocolate...yum! [14:59] <harryfreak359> hehe I already voted! [14:59] <fawkes28> great hall rocks! [14:59] <danae24> of course sooner! [14:59] <Pleshette> Will do Sooner [14:59] *** TigerLilyEvans has quit [Bye] [14:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I saw that HF [14:59] <harryfreak359> yeah great hall! [14:59] <harryfreak359> lol [14:59] * futureweasley braces for the group hug [14:59] <JaneMarple9> Already done Sooner [14:59] <danae24> I want to play taboo!!! [14:59] <MrMcGonagall> Group hug time? [14:59] <futureweasley> c'mon everyone, squeeze in there [15:00] <harryfreak359> yay for group hugs!!!!! [15:00] * fawkes28 jumps into the group hug [15:00] *** panthorca has joined #lounge [15:00] * danae24 gets ready for the hugs! [15:00] <Ravendor> me/joins in group hug [15:00] <Knight62442> *squeeze* [15:00] * Pleshette has arms outstretched and ready.. [15:00] <JaneMarple9> It's going to be great next weekend [15:00] * SoonerGryffindor runs and jumps into the dogpile [15:00] <Ravendor> lol, messed it up again [15:00] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a big hug *hug* [15:00] <danae24> HUG!!!!!!!!! [15:00] * JaneMarple9 hugs everybody tight [15:00] * Katha joins in [15:00] * Aislinn jumps into hug as well [15:00] <Pleshette> LOL! Weeeeeeeeeeeee [15:00] <PerhapsIamdelusional> my time is up [15:00] * Expelliarmas gives the group a hug and starts shuffling toward the door [15:00] <PerhapsIamdelusional> bye everyone [15:00] <Knight62442> I will be flyig home next week from the business trip so see everyone in two weeks [15:00] * Ravendor joins in hug [15:00] * MrMcGonagall is greatful for his long arms to wrap around everybody. [15:00] * fawkes28 squeezes future extra hard [15:00] <Knight62442> *waves* [15:00] <Ravendor> yay!!! it worked [15:00] <SoonerGryffindor> now y'all know what time it is, right? [15:00] * JaneMarple9 hugs her friends [15:00] <futureweasley> see you for Scribby tonight, or P3 tomorrow!! [15:00] * danae24 squeezes a bit more tighter..... [15:00] * Pleshette shuffles to door holding on to everyone [15:01] <Alexk> *throws a bucket of chocolate frogs on everyone [15:01] * harryfreak359 backs away from Sooner [15:01] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, y'all! [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> group shuffle to the door [15:01] * futureweasley gives Fawkes her inaugural headlock [15:01] <Katha> bye all [15:01] *** PerhapsIamdelusional left #lounge [] [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> and steel toed boots [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> laugh [15:01] <fawkes28> hehe [15:01] * JaneMarple9 waves to everyone....see you at PPP tomorrow [15:01] <danae24> bye everyone!!! [15:01] <Val_Halla> bye everyone. It was over too soon. [15:01] *** Knight62442 has quit [Bye] [15:01] *** Katha left #lounge [] [15:01] <Ravendor> bye, everyone!! smile [15:01] <futureweasley> bye guys [15:01] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [15:01] <Pleshette> Byes!! [15:01] <Alexk> bye everyone [15:01] *** Val_Halla left #lounge [] [15:01] *** Ravendor left #lounge [] [15:01] <harryfreak359>  [15:01] <danae24> see ya around the great hall! [15:01] <Aislinn> bye folks [15:01] * fawkes28 tries to put future one but is squished [15:01] * Expelliarmas starts flicking the lights [15:01] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [15:01] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [15:01] <harryfreak359> bye! [15:01] <futureweasley> much love [15:01] *** danae24 left #lounge [] [15:01] <SoonerGryffindor> hasta la bye-bye guys [15:02] * JaneMarple9 and grabs some chocolate frogs before leaving the room [15:02] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:02] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by Aislinn: Nov 3 2006, 08:43 PM --------------------  To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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