Reading Group Chat Transcript 12/09/06, Chapters 16-17 of Goblet of Fire |
 Dec 9 2006, 03:20 PM
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[12:58] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [13:00] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:00] *** Poet has joined #lounge [13:00] <futureweasley> hi harryfreak! [13:00] *** BlixDude has joined #lounge [13:00] <harryfreak359> hi! smile [13:00] <futureweasley> hi blix [13:00] <Poet> Hi BlixDude [13:00] <BlixDude> Hello [13:01] <harryfreak359> Hi Blix! [13:01] <BlixDude> Be right back need to find CoS DVD for later =D [13:01] <futureweasley> YAY for Movie Night! [13:01] <Poet> that's early planning [13:01] <harryfreak359> Whoo hoo! [13:01] * futureweasley does a little dance [13:01] <harryfreak359> Or i mean WOOT! [13:02] <Aislinn> hahaha [13:02] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [13:02] <BlixDude> I wasn't sure if I would've been able to find it though lol [13:02] <futureweasley> harryfreak, are you able to attend tonight, too? [13:02] <BlixDude> Brb [13:03] <harryfreak359> Yeah, most likely, unless something really bad happens [13:03] <futureweasley> something really bad? [13:03] <harryfreak359> I don't know...like my computers blow up or something [13:03] <futureweasley> LOL [13:03] <futureweasley> ok, well here's to hoping THAT doesn't happen!! [13:03] <harryfreak359> lol [13:04] <BlixDude> Back [13:04] <harryfreak359> Erm...I forgot what time is it at tonight? [13:04] <BlixDude> 9 est [13:04] <harryfreak359> Ahh okay, that's what i thought [13:04] <Aislinn> correct [13:04] <Aislinn> we'll get synchronized and actually start at quarter past [13:05] <BlixDude> The chat is going to be open a lot today then [13:05] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [13:05] <Belenzie> hey all [13:05] <BlixDude> Hello [13:05] <harryfreak359> Hi Belenzie [13:05] <Aislinn> hi Bel [13:05] <futureweasley> hi Bel [13:05] <Aislinn> yes, blix, twice today! [13:06] <harryfreak359> There are just too many times to remember! [13:06] <Belenzie> what's the specifics??\ [13:06] <BlixDude> Isn't there something happening at 7-9 too? [13:06] <BlixDude> or 5-7 [13:06] <Aislinn> not this week [13:06] * futureweasley writes the CB times on a post-it note and adheres it to HarryFreak's forehead [13:06] <Belenzie> no scribby?? [13:06] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [13:06] <Aislinn> we have a Scribbulus chat - but Scribbulus has been on hiatus recently [13:06] <futureweasley> hi adamgryff [13:06] <harryfreak359> Thank you Future, I needed that [13:06] <Aislinn> so the chat is also on hiatus [13:06] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [13:07] <adamgryff> hi everyone [13:07] <harryfreak359> Hi Adam! [13:07] <BlixDude> Ah [13:07] <Aislinn> hi adam, hi Mr M [13:07] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody! [13:07] <adamgryff> hi mr. mg [13:07] <Belenzie> cos chat today [13:07] <futureweasley> don't worry harryfreak, I wrote them backwards, so when you look in the mirror, they look right [13:07] <harryfreak359> Hi Mr.McG! [13:07] <Belenzie> *movie [13:07] <BlixDude> Hello Mr M [13:07] *** cbm has joined #lounge [13:07] <futureweasley> hi MrMcG, cbm! [13:07] <harryfreak359> laugh Thanks! [13:07] <adamgryff> hi cbm [13:07] <Aislinn> hi cbm [13:07] <Belenzie> i just listened to you on pottercast the other day MR. McG. smile [13:07] <cbm> hi [13:08] <futureweasley> lol, which one, Bel? The great interview he gave, or the filk? [13:08] <BlixDude> Which episode was that Bele? [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, my goodness, Belenzie! You must be going through some back episodes! [13:08] <Belenzie> interview [13:08] <harryfreak359> That was a great interview [13:08] <futureweasley> MrMcG PWNs PotterCast [13:09] <BlixDude> I've been going through old episodes too because I joined late [13:09] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [13:09] <futureweasley> I did that when I started listening to PotterCast, too [13:09] <adamgryff> hi PP [13:09] <harryfreak359> Yeah, I did that too...my old computer had objectioins to PotterCast.. [13:09] <Aislinn> hi Prongs [13:09] <harryfreak359> Hi Prongs [13:09] <BlixDude> Which episode was it Mr M? [13:09] <MrMcGonagall> I'm glad they've moved the PC chats to Tuesday afternoons. It will give me little more time to listen. [13:10] <BlixDude> Hi Prongs [13:10] <futureweasley> it takes a while to catch up...especially now that they have 66 episodes!! [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was 55. [13:10] <ProngsPatronus> Hello, all :-) [13:10] <futureweasley> hi Prongs! [13:10] <BlixDude> Yeah [13:10] <BlixDude> I'm on 25 [13:10] <Aislinn> that's why we did it, Mr M - to give everyone a little more time to listen first smile [13:10] <Belenzie> i'm halfway through 59 right now [13:10] <harryfreak359> Yeah, that's a good thing...I always didn't get them until right before the chat started [13:10] <BlixDude> I'm douing mugglecast too though [13:10] <ProngsPatronus> sorry, I don't do pottercast [13:11] <futureweasley> lol, it's not for everyone...I totally understand [13:11] <Belenzie> yeah i'm only 2 or 3 behind on MC [13:11] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:11] <futureweasley> hi bemused! [13:11] <adamgryff> hi bemused [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, bemused1 [13:11] <ProngsPatronus> did everyone get some breakfast in the great room this morning? [13:11] <Aislinn> hi bemused [13:11] <BlixDude> Hello Bemusided [13:11] <adamgryff> yeah, I'm still stuffed PP [13:11] <BlixDude> Bemused* [13:11] <MrMcGonagall> That was quite the feast! [13:11] *** bemused has quit [Bye] [13:12] <futureweasley> that's for that Prongs...it inspired me to actually MAKE breakfast [13:12] <Belenzie> i'm almost 100 % sure i'm getting a room in the sheraton for prophecy 2007 [13:12] <harryfreak359> I haven't been to the Great Hall at all this morning *hangs head in shame* [13:12] * Belenzie loves her big Bro!! [13:12] <cbm> I missed breakfast sad [13:12] <ProngsPatronus> hey--the elves are in there to ensure that everyone gets some! [13:12] <adamgryff> well watch out for cops throwing bananas smile harryfreak [13:12] <Belenzie> i had a glass of milk [13:13] <futureweasley> that's awesome Bel! I'll be there, too! [13:13] <harryfreak359> Oh wait...yes I was...because I remember that post Adam...Oh dear... [13:13] <ProngsPatronus> LOL--that banana thing was sooo funny! [13:13] <adamgryff> I still haven't figured out how it all got started though [13:13] <harryfreak359> *sigh* I don't remember breakfast though...hmmm... [13:14] * harryfreak359 goes off to check the great hall [13:14] <MrMcGonagall> that banana story is SOOO bizarre. [13:14] <futureweasley> Prongs whipped up QUITE a feast in the Great Hall [13:14] <BlixDude> I had a lot of croissants for breakfast [13:14] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:14] <futureweasley> hi sooner [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hey [13:14] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Sooner! [13:14] <adamgryff> hi sooner [13:14] <BlixDude> Hi Sooner [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Hi everyone [13:14] <MrMcGonagall> Hooray for Sooner! [13:14] <harryfreak359> I had Orange juice and a pumpkin cookie for breakfast [13:14] <BlixDude> Mini croissants... very tastey [13:14] <ProngsPatronus> sometimes, I just have to cook up a big meal [13:15] <BlixDude> Mr Mc I'm listening to you on 55 right now, hah [13:15] <adamgryff> well you definelty don't have to worry about lunch today PP [13:15] <harryfreak359> Yeah...mmm...I've been dying to have a big breakfast in awhile [13:15] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:15] <ProngsPatronus> nope--and maybe not dinner, either! [13:15] <adamgryff> wb bemused [13:15] <bemused> Am I there [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> I see you, bemused. [13:16] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [13:16] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [13:16] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:17] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:17] <futureweasley> Ron’s in a dazed fit of hero worship–Krum is at Hogwarts. Ron’s not the only one–a gaggle of girls search for bits of parchment to get Krum’s autograph and just get noticed by the QWC hero. Hermione doesn’t get it. The Beauxbatons with the Ravenclaws and look around sadly. Some aren’t impressed with Hogwarts. Hermione’s hackles go up. The Durmstrangs ominously sit with the Slytherins. [13:17] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [13:17] <futureweasley> A Beauxbatons girl leaves Ron in a daze–he guesses she’s a veela. Hermione scoffs. Barty, Sr. and Bagman arrive. To discourage underage students, Dumbledore will draw an Age Line. If chosen by the Goblet, the contest has to compete to the end. Harry wonders how angry Dumbledore would be if an underage student got into the contest. Karkaroff can’t believe Moody is at Hogwarts. [13:17] <futureweasley> All the Durmstrangs submit their names. Fred, George, and Lee take the aging potion–it fails. Possible Hogwarts champions include: Warrington of Slytherin, Diggory of Hufflepuff, Angelina Johnson of Gryffindor. Hermione talks to Hagrid about S.P.E.W. As they leave, the Beauxbatons all troop in under Maxime’s watchful eye and place their names into the Goblet. [13:17] <futureweasley> Hagrid’s in a hairy brown suit and a checked yellow-and-orange tie; hair tied in bunches. Hermione talks to him about S.P.E.W., but he thinks it would be an unkindness to free the elves. Chosen as champions were: Krum–to Karkaroff’s delight; Fleur–to the disappointment of the other Beauxbatons; and Cedric for Hogwarts–to the delight of the Hufflepuff. Harry’s chosen as the fourth champion. [13:17] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [13:18] <futureweasley> Harry denies putting his name into the Goblet. He goes to the champions’ room. Bagman’s thrilled. Maxime and Karkaroff are angry. Snape accuses Harry, McGonagall and Moody defend him. Barty, Sr clarifies–Harry has to compete. Cedric didn’t believe him. The Gryffindors were thrilled–but not Ron. [13:18] <futureweasley> Ready to roll? Good! Let’s talk about Chapters 16-17 of GoF. [13:18] <futureweasley> Why did the Beauxbatons students sit with the Ravenclaw students? [13:18] <Belenzie> blue?? [13:18] <Belenzie> it matched their robes?? [13:18] <Belenzie> lol [13:18] <futureweasley> lol Bel [13:18] <Aislinn> Is their table near the door? [13:19] *** cbm has joined #lounge [13:19] <futureweasley> I was thinking because Ravenclaw seems to be a lot of girls? [13:19] <BlixDude> I noticed that each house got someone to root for [13:19] <BlixDude> Beux - Ravenclaw [13:19] <ProngsPatronus> I think that they align most with the Ravenclaws [13:19] <adamgryff> not, sure except they were the first table that asked them [13:19] <BlixDude> Slytherin - Krum [13:19] <Pleshette> Or maybe it's away from the door Ais, not so cold [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe there arent as many ravclaws? [13:19] <BlixDude> Ceddric - Hufflepuff [13:19] <Aislinn> good point, blix [13:19] <BlixDude> Gryff - Harry [13:19] <harryfreak359> Hmm...I don't know really know why...maybe that was just the table with the most open seats. [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so HF, and I bet its becuase there arent as many of them. [13:20] <futureweasley> but this was before the champions were even chosen that they picked that table [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's because there are the most similarities between Ravenclaw and Beauxbatons. [13:20] <bemused> Perhaps they just liked the look of them [13:20] <BlixDude> I mean I think Jo planned it that way [13:20] <BlixDude> So each house had a champion [13:20] <ProngsPatronus> I do, too [13:20] <Pleshette> I think you're right Blix [13:20] <Belenzie> madam maxime could have explained the basics of the sorting system to them and the students just thought that ravenclaw was the best?? [13:20] <harryfreak359> How would they know that though, MrMcG? [13:20] <ProngsPatronus> the four elements are represented with the four champions [13:20] <futureweasley> Maybe DD suggested to Madame Maxime that her students would get along with RavenClaw [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an excellent observation Blix [13:21] <Aislinn> I don't know that the Beauxbatons would have been able to tell that quickly which House they were most alike [13:21] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [13:21] <bemused> Maybe it's instinct [13:21] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I think it's the wayh you gravitate toward people with common interests. It's just a vibe sort of thing. [13:21] <futureweasley> right...which leads me to believe there was an outsider helping [13:21] <adamgryff> I agree Aislinn there probably was open seats at the Ravenclaw table [13:21] <futureweasley> Why did the Durmstrang students sit with the Slytherins? Did this worry you? If so, why? [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> well, the RC's are the brainiacs of the school. Its logical to assume that's a smaller percentage of the general population [13:22] <Belenzie> karkaroff and severus were friends [13:22] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps it was something Dumbledore suggested [13:22] <Pleshette> It's more apparent that Durmstrang would sit with Slytherins because of Karkaroff's past, but not so much the same with the Beacxbatons [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps they had a session to orient themselves to Hogwarts before they left Beauxbatons. [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> It did not surprise me at all knowing it is known as a "darker" school [13:22] <harryfreak359> No not really, I think that they fit there, from what I heard about them anyways [13:22] <BlixDude> Maybe it's because the Beux students are pretentious [13:22] <adamgryff> Well since the school appears to be dark the common place for them would have been Slyterin [13:22] <BlixDude> They thought intelligence would be the besty [13:22] <futureweasley> I was definitely worried that Krum sat with Malfoy...I mean, who wouldn't worry about that git having "influence" over ANYBODY [13:22] <bemused> Maybe Ravenclaws read at the table [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> Again, Durmstrangs would naturally gravitate toward the Slytherins. [13:23] <harryfreak359> I don't think that Malfoy would have influence over Krum at all. [13:23] <Aislinn> the Durmstrangs sitting with Slytherin made a lot more sense, given their Dark Arts focus [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> funny that Krum was the Durmstrang representative and he dated a Gryffindor [13:23] <futureweasley> right, their "dark arts" background [13:23] <bemused> Slytherins tend to look fairly menacing... [13:23] <Belenzie> i love that they included that in the movie krum/draco interaction [13:23] <cbm> Their Headmaster probably told them to [13:23] <BlixDude> Maybe it was JKR's way of telling us what those schools were like [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet Draco just loved him after he took Hermione to the ball *sarcasm* [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> I think so, Blix. [13:23] <Aislinn> I think so too Blix [13:23] <adamgryff> LOL, I hadn't thought about that Sooner [13:24] <Belenzie> the simplest answers are usually the rght ones [13:24] <Belenzie> i can't to see viktor again! [13:24] <Belenzie> *wait [13:24] <futureweasley> What did you think of the Beauxbatons students leaping to their feet upon Madame Maxime’s entrance? What did you make of their behavior? [13:25] <Pleshette> I agree with you hf, Krum seems to have an inner strength/ goodness within [13:25] <bemused> Perfect manners!!! [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> I loved that detail. Very courtly manners. [13:25] <ProngsPatronus> those were manners [13:25] <Aislinn> I think it showed one difference in the cultures of the 2 schools [13:25] <futureweasley> I thought this was a mark of respect that the students have for their "leader" [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> that she is more of a disciplinarian than DD [13:25] <Pleshette> Respectful [13:25] <Belenzie> respect respect respect [13:25] <BlixDude> Perhaps showing off [13:25] <BlixDude> On their best behaviour [13:25] <futureweasley> right, Pleshette...I think it was total respect [13:25] <adamgryff> I'm sure that is required in there school. It is very respectfull thing to do. [13:25] <Aislinn> I don't think it was showing off, blix - I think it is routine for them at their own school [13:25] <futureweasley> they were unabashed when Hogwarts students sniggered [13:25] <BlixDude> I wonder though if they actually do that at school [13:25] <Pleshette> Pride in their school, headmistress, not so much showing off [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> Bella figura. [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is just another thing to show the difference in cultures [13:26] <bemused> Yes - they were looking for her at the QWC, were'nt they - they must think a lot of her [13:26] <Aislinn> It seemed very much something they were accustomed to doing [13:26] <BlixDude> True [13:26] <ProngsPatronus> it is a more formal relationship than Dumbledore's to the Hogwarts' students [13:26] <futureweasley> I think it also speaks to Madame Maxime's character...she is well-liked by her students [13:26] <Belenzie> doen't everyone have to stand for the queen and only sit after she does?? maybe it was a parallel to show the type devotion the students have for her [13:26] <Pleshette> They might Blix, it could be an expectation that's taught [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I have the feeling that DD runs a "looser ship" than a lot of other headmasters would [13:26] <bemused> WE had to do that at school - I expect JKr did too [13:26] <Pleshette> Yes, I agree Sooner [13:26] <cbm> very regimented, that is what I expect of Durmstrang [13:26] <futureweasley> yes, Sooner....I think so, too [13:26] <BlixDude> I'd just say it was respect like when you stand for a judge. [13:27] <adamgryff> yes, Sooner, I agree [13:27] <Aislinn> I agree, Sooner - he is a big proponent of individual expression - not at all the same focus. [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> We do see very different styles of discipline in the different schools. [13:27] <BlixDude> I also doubt it would be something Dumbledore would have the Hogwarts students do for him [13:27] <futureweasley> and, because DD is so busy, I don't think he "gets his hands dirty" with the students as much as some other headmasters might [13:27] <Pleshette> Even in some classrooms, students stand when the principal arrives at the door [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, DD would be most uncomfortable if his students did that [13:27] <Pleshette> I taught at such a school, it was respect [13:27] <futureweasley> Did you think the Beauxbatons students rude during their first dinner at Hogwarts? Or did Hermione overreact? [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> a little of both [13:28] <Aislinn> I don't think it's a question of "getting his hands dirty" with them - I think he knows what is going on in his school, he just thinks it should be allowed to unfold as it will [13:28] <BlixDude> They were pretencious [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner. [13:28] <ProngsPatronus> long ago and far away, we were expected to stand when our teachers came in--and this was public school [13:28] <Aislinn> Fleur was rude [13:28] <bemused> Same here, Prongs - it was the done thing [13:28] <ProngsPatronus> it establishes exactly who is in charge rather quickly [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> It goes to show that good manners on the surface don't necessarily indicate an inner dignity. [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> it just goes to show that you cant understand someone until you get to know them and their culture. Hermione was willing to believe the worst because they were "outsiders" [13:28] <adamgryff> I think it was a little of both, but Fluer was definelty rude while DD was talking [13:28] <BlixDude> I think Fleur was a bit rude though not intesionally [13:29] <futureweasley> Hermione was threatened...I think that it was natural for her to get her scruff up when the Beauxbatons girls got to Hogwarts. Beauty AND brains... [13:29] <harryfreak359> I think that they were a little rude, [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, future [13:29] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:29] <Aislinn> Hermione was reacting defensively to a perceived and expressed criticism of her school. [13:29] <harryfreak359> Agreed Future [13:29] <adamgryff> hi cloudpic [13:29] <futureweasley> hi cloudpic [13:29] <Aislinn> She is very proud of Hogwarts [13:29] <harryfreak359> Agree Aislinn as well smile [13:29] <Belenzie> didn't this occur after one of Ron's more fuzzied moments smile [13:29] <Aislinn> Hi Cloudpic [13:29] <cbm> hi cloudpic [13:29] <harryfreak359> hi Cludpic! [13:29] <Pleshette> Gotta go! [13:29] <cloudpic> Hi, everyone [13:29] <BlixDude> Hello cloud [13:29] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [13:29] <harryfreak359> bye Pleshette! [13:29] <ProngsPatronus> Fleur doesn't hesitate to give her opinion of things, does she? [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but she got her back up more so than she might have if, lets say... another student would have done that [13:30] *** LilaViseckBrious has joined #lounge [13:30] <futureweasley> hi Lila [13:30] <LilaViseckBrious> hey [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Lila [13:30] <cloudpic> Hi, Lila [13:30] <BlixDude> I really don't think Fleur was snobbish on purpose [13:30] <ProngsPatronus> I disagree [13:30] <futureweasley> I think that she is Blix [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Blix, its just her way to be naturally annoying laugh [13:30] <cloudpic> Maybe Fleur's just naturally snobbish [13:30] <cbm> but we find out in book 6 she does have some depth that I did no expect [13:30] <cloudpic> lol Sooner [13:30] <BlixDude> Right, Sooner =) [13:30] <Belenzie> its the way the french are.... i've spent my whole life going through it with my mother [13:30] <ProngsPatronus> I think she was prepared to show her disdain of English "barbarism" [13:30] <Belenzie> lol [13:31] <Aislinn> Fleur was openly critical [13:31] <Aislinn> she made noises of derision [13:31] <futureweasley> What did you think of Karkaroff’s treatment of Krum and the other Durmstrang students? How does Karkaroff compare with Dumbledore? [13:31] <BlixDude> She was still like that in 6 though, she just said things that were rude in others eyes that she just was used to [13:31] <bemused> The French are often like that with us....!!! [13:31] <cloudpic> Perhaps she grew up and became less so with contact with the Weasleys [13:31] <Aislinn> I probably would have reacted the same way Hermione did [13:31] <futureweasley> Karkaroff obviously favored Krum [13:31] <ProngsPatronus> karkaroff plays favourites [13:31] <BlixDude> Karkaroff is a lot more insecure [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I think it goes to show that both sides had preconceived notions of the other cultures and both learned from t [13:31] <ProngsPatronus> Krum is his claim to fame, and is treated accordingly [13:31] <cloudpic> I felt very sorry for the other Durmstrang students... well, and sorry for Krum too [13:31] <adamgryff> Karkaroff definelty treated Krum and the favorite [13:31] <cbm> I think Karkaroff is trying to ride on Krum's coattails [13:31] <Aislinn> Yes, he is obviously one to play favorites [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> Karkaroff and DD are nothing alike. [13:32] <LilaViseckBrious> But we all know Harry was Dumbledore's favorite [13:32] <futureweasley> I think that DD also has favorites, but does a good job of treating his students equally [13:32] <BlixDude> The "wine" incident was showing that [13:32] <LilaViseckBrious> most kids would've been kicked out with the kind of stuff he pulled [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink that gave us a glimpse into his character and that he was an unpleasant person [13:32] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome seven [13:32] <cbm> But Dumbledore triies to treat Harry the same [13:32] <futureweasley> hi Seven [13:32] <adamgryff> Hi seven [13:32] <futureweasley> right cbm [13:32] <SevenofNine> Greetings [13:32] <BlixDude> He definately doesn't flaunt Harry infront of the other students [13:32] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Seven [13:32] <cloudpic> Karkaroff isn't really a "natural" at caring for students [13:32] <BlixDude> Like Karkaroff [13:33] <SevenofNine> Karkaroff only cares for Karkaroff and what would benefit him [13:33] <futureweasley> I think that DD loves Harry, and has a special connection with him. He still manages to treat his students with the same candor [13:33] <adamgryff> I agree future [13:33] <LilaViseckBrious> yeah, that's true [13:33] <bemused> I think DD cares for all of them [13:33] <ProngsPatronus> I think karkaroff cares more for himself than he does any of his students, including Krum [13:33] <cbm> I think that Karkaroff thinks that if his famous student wins, it will help him in the end [13:33] <SevenofNine> I wonder how hard that must have been for DD to care for Harry so much and have to staff back. [13:33] <BlixDude> Also Karkaroff is very insecure and jelous of his school, the way he talks about its "secrets" [13:33] <SevenofNine> *stay [13:33] <Belenzie> slughornish isn't he?? [13:33] *** chickadee1184 has joined #lounge [13:34] <futureweasley> hi chickadee [13:34] <cloudpic> Probably so, Prongs... he's just a Headmaster for lack of another role in life. Not because he wants to be [13:34] *** flowerpower_182 has joined #lounge [13:34] <futureweasley> I'm sure that is very difficult for him 7 [13:34] <futureweasley> hi flowerpower [13:34] <chickadee1184> hi [13:34] <futureweasley> What was your impression of the magical contract–i.e., once chosen, there’s no withdrawal? Are there no exceptions? If so, what would they be? [13:34] <LilaViseckBrious> I don't think Karkaroff actually liked Krum. He just liked Krum because he made Durmstrang look good [13:34] <SevenofNine> I think Sluggy will end up with some redeeming values that Karkaroff did not. [13:34] <flowerpower_182> hi [13:34] <cbm> I greee Belenzie, and slughorn was a Slytherinn [13:34] <cbm> agree [13:34] <ProngsPatronus> I think a binding contract is just that--binding [13:34] <Aislinn> It seemed to be a pretty solid contract [13:34] <bemused> There don't seem to be any exceptions [13:34] <SevenofNine> I really questioned that one futureweasley. [13:34] <BlixDude> It seems like the contest was like an unbreakable vow [13:34] <cbm> I did not like it, but it did move the plot forward [13:34] <BlixDude> If there was anything to be done we'll not know [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I do wonder if there really is something bad that would have happened to Harry [13:34] <cloudpic> I'm not sure I understood why they had such an extreme rule... maybe because the previous tournaments were so dangerous? [13:35] <SevenofNine> What would have happened if Harry hadn't shown up for the second task. He almost didn't anyway. [13:35] <adamgryff> I still debating on what the spell is that binds the contract and what would happen if you broke it [13:35] <BlixDude> Remember Crouch was under imperiousthere might've been a way out [13:35] <SevenofNine> Would he have self destructed or something? [13:35] <futureweasley> I think it points to the fact that the Goblet is a VERY magical object...not to be triffled with or disrespected in any way [13:35] <SevenofNine> Gone braindead? [13:35] <Belenzie> but all they had to do was TRY and then say they coulcn't do it and the contract was still followed [13:35] <Aislinn> It didn't seem like there were any exceptions at all - Dumbledore made a point of stressing this to the students before the Cup was put out for the students to enter their names [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> we still dont know about so many different kinds of magic. Maybe the magic would know if you really tried your hardest or not [13:35] <cloudpic> But why would someone want to pull out if they entered? [13:35] <Belenzie> well lke harry he didn't enter [13:35] <BlixDude> Croush was Imperioused so rules to let the student out of the contract were blocked [13:35] <ProngsPatronus> it is an ancient object, too--so the magic must be very powerful [13:35] <SevenofNine> but what would have happened if Harry had refused? [13:36] <SevenofNine> Would he have been somehow compelled? [13:36] <futureweasley> it makes me shudder to think what would have happened if Harry hadn't been "allowed" to compete [13:36] <Aislinn> I think he might have been cursed in some way [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> It was definitely a flaw in the magic. I with it could differentiate and not punish you if you really did not enter your own name [13:36] <ProngsPatronus> I think he would have died, myself [13:36] <futureweasley> I think the Goblet has the power to "punish" those who don't do it's will [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Prongs [13:36] <futureweasley> I think so too Prongs [13:36] <adamgryff> I think Harry would have been cursed in some way if he didn't complete [13:36] <chickadee1184> me too [13:36] <SevenofNine> Have "slacker loser" in pimples show up on his forehead? [13:36] *** chickadee1184 has quit [Bye] [13:36] <futureweasley> lol Seven [13:36] <BlixDude> I think he would've been cursed if he didn't try at the tasks either [13:36] <Aislinn> I don't see it as as a Death consequence, personally [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> Its kind of like the magic of a wizards debt. we really dont know what happens if you dont fulfill the terms [13:37] <bemused> perhaps he would have found himself joining in even if he didn't want to - like an imperious [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL seven [13:37] <BlixDude> Otherwise thety wold've just made him fail each task [13:37] <Aislinn> I don't think it is Dark magic like the Unbreakable Vow seems to be [13:37] *** flowerpower_182 has quit [Bye] [13:37] <BlixDude> Without actually attempting it [13:37] <futureweasley> maybe it would bind the offenders magical powers, Aislinn? [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> ooh, that is an interesting thought future [13:37] <SevenofNine> But something unpleasant that would mark the one who failed to try, Aislinn? [13:37] <Aislinn> yes, something more like that, or ongoing bad fortune [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> I think the consequences would be something along the lines of a jinx - sort of being followed by bad luck. [13:37] *** Fionnuala has joined #lounge [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome fionnuala [13:37] <Aislinn> yes, like that Mr M [13:37] *** LilaViseckBrious has quit [Bye] [13:37] <harryfreak359> I agree, Aislinn and Mr.McG [13:38] *** AloysiusWeasley has joined #lounge [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> hi aloysius [13:38] <futureweasley> I wonder if there would be a way to "shake" that curse...or if there was a countercurse [13:38] *** Fionnuala has quit [Bye] [13:38] <ProngsPatronus> well, Harry already has that--doesn't he mention that everything happens to him? [13:38] <Aislinn> he aloysius and fionnuala [13:38] <SevenofNine> But I think that would be a bit excessive for kids. [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> It's not as serious as an Unbreakable Vow, and perhaps not even quite so much as a life debt, but not something you would want to have to live with. [13:38] <bemused> If you think about it there are lots of things in real life like that - you don't want to do it but you know you have to, so you do [13:38] <SevenofNine> This is a challenge between schools after all. [13:38] <SevenofNine> And one that wasn't previously limited to those who were 17 [13:38] <futureweasley> What did you think of Karkaroff’s reaction to Moody’s presence? What did you think of Moody’s treatment of Karkaroff? [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved it actually [13:39] <SevenofNine> I thought Jo handled that wonderfully. [13:39] <AloysiusWeasley> hi! [13:39] <bemused> Karkaroff is really still on the run [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> Obvious reasons for animosity between the two. Between Crouch Jr. and Karkaroff, too, which makes it all the more convincing. [13:39] <adamgryff> I think it was a perfect mix of old feelings, even if it was the fake Moody [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> and then knowing the "real" reason, it seemed even more believable [13:39] <Aislinn> It made me suspicious of Karkaroff right away [13:39] <cbm> It was great! [13:39] <cloudpic> Wary of one another because of history... Karkaroff came off as the weaker of the two, no? [13:39] <BlixDude> Well sense it was Crouch Jr. I think it was a bit different then if it had been the real Moody [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> hey, aloysius, feel free to jump into the chat [13:39] <AloysiusWeasley> wow - this is my first, and it took a couple seconds to figure out how to work this room! [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think the real Moody would have behaved too differently. [13:39] <SevenofNine> We were so fooled to think it was Madeyes disdain for DEs who had gotten off and it was Barty Jr. disdain for those who hadn't been true to his master [13:39] <Belenzie> well it was barty's reaction to karkaroff and i feel it what was to be expected for a man who spent his time confined while scum like karkaroff got free [13:40] <AloysiusWeasley> this isn't near as easy as the aol chats! [13:40] <cbm> It was even better after I read it the second time as Karkaroff was a DE who got off [13:40] <cloudpic> Actually "Moody" and Moody both had reason to disdain Karkaroff [13:40] <harryfreak359> I think that it was great, and it also made the reader feel suspicious of Karkaroff, making it ever so more surprising to see who really was the bad guy [13:40] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M - he was the one who originally captured Karkaroff, and was not happy to see him released. [13:40] <futureweasley> I disagree, Blix. I think that "real" Moody and "imposter" Moody has equal distain for Karkaroff, just if different facets [13:40] <Aislinn> He would have reacted almost identically, I imagine [13:40] <SevenofNine> the two responses were consistent for different reasons--and we got sucked in [13:40] <BlixDude> Right [13:40] <BlixDude> Which would've played out differently for their different motivations [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> that;s what I loved about it seven [13:40] <adamgryff> yes seven [13:41] *** wahinee93 has joined #lounge [13:41] <Belenzie> and isn't that a scary thought an exauror and a deatheater acting the same to the same person?? [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> hi wahinee [13:41] <bemused> It's still very difficult to sort out one Moody from the other [13:41] *** tadpole has joined #lounge [13:41] <Aislinn> hi wahinee [13:41] *** tadpole has quit [Bye] [13:41] <wahinee93> oops wrong chat =/ [13:41] <SevenofNine> But that's human nature, I think [13:41] <Aislinn> and tadpole smile [13:41] <wahinee93> bye guys have fun! [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> hi tadpole [13:41] *** wahinee93 has quit [Bye] [13:41] <BlixDude> Well Crouch Jr. was a good imposter [13:41] <AloysiusWeasley> well, didn't JKR already ephasize that, belenzie? [13:41] <futureweasley> I loved Imposter Moody, personally [13:42] <SevenofNine> Barty Jr did a great job as Moody. I loved him and was appalled when he was the insider. [13:42] <cloudpic> Me too, future [13:42] <BlixDude> Ferret was the best part of Crouch/Moody [13:42] <futureweasley> until we found out that he was a horrible mand with bad intentions [13:42] <cbm> I would of liked to see moody teach DADA in 6 or 7 and compare the 2 [13:42] <SevenofNine> Never saw that come [13:42] <ProngsPatronus> actually, it is a real shame that barty, Jr. was evil--he is in many ways a brilliant wizard [13:42] <SevenofNine> *coming [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> the beauty of it all wa that once you think about it, BCJ was the perfect choice to impersonate real moody [13:42] <Aislinn> It was quite shocking to discover that he was actually such a dark wizard [13:42] <futureweasley> lol, so true Sooner [13:42] <futureweasley> Why did Fred, George, Lee, and Miss Fawcett (of Ravenclaw) think an aging potion would defeat Dumbledore’s Age Line? [13:42] <cloudpic> I was surprised too... he'd become Moody... but since Moody was a bit nutty, it helped [13:42] <SevenofNine> Cocky confidence of youth [13:42] <Aislinn> I agree Prongs - it's sad he turned such brilliance to such evil ends [13:43] <BlixDude> I think they had to give it a shot [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> because would you really have expected them not to try? [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> Well, they're willing to try anything. It does seem like it would work. [13:43] <adamgryff> because they are being typical kids and think they can out wit a powerful wizard [13:43] <futureweasley> because it was "so pathetically dim-witted", to quote movie Fred and George... [13:43] <Aislinn> they were just prepared to take the risk [13:43] <cbm> Because they could only guess at what the spell was [13:43] <SevenofNine> No I wouldn't have expected them to sit quietly Sooner [13:43] <cloudpic> They assumed that their aging would be complete... and that the magic wouldn't detect the artifice [13:43] <futureweasley> they were all for the money and the glory...it was all worth a try [13:43] <BlixDude> There's no way that Fred and George wouldn't have TRIED, even if it was said to be impossible [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think I would have been disappointed in them had they not [13:43] <AloysiusWeasley> wasn't that one of Hermione's lines, futureweasley? [13:43] <cbm> I think a paper airplane would of worked better, but that is a muggle thing [13:43] <futureweasley> no Aloysius, the twins said it too [13:43] <bemused> It was a challenge! [13:43] <SevenofNine> I think their good natured perseverance will show itself later. [13:44] <BlixDude> CDM no it's not [13:44] <BlixDude> They use them in the ministry [13:44] <adamgryff> It is a Fred and George thing to do and they couldn't pass up a challenge like that [13:44] <BlixDude> CBM* [13:44] <AloysiusWeasley> all right - I stay away from the movies mostly [13:44] <cbm> I forgot about the ministry, oops [13:44] <cloudpic> I don't think it was from bad motives... the twins meant the money for their future business, not frivolity [13:44] <SevenofNine> Fred and George are the types to see the "impossible" as a direct challenge to them--one they must meet. [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, Hermione did say that line as well [13:44] <ProngsPatronus> lol--it is just the kind of thing I would expect of gred and forge--pitting themselves against Dumbledore [13:44] <futureweasley> right cloudpic, they had "ambition" but no means [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> Actually, the way to have gotten it in was to have an older student put your name in. DD hadn't thought of that one. [13:44] *** Raymond has joined #lounge [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Prongs, and you can tell that DD was amused at them for it [13:44] <futureweasley> very slytherin, actually! [13:45] <AloysiusWeasley> oh, I know - I can picture Emma Watson's shrill voice saying that line in my head! smile [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome raymond [13:45] <futureweasley> Why didn’t any other Gryffindors put their name into the Goblet? [13:45] *** Raymond has quit [Bye] [13:45] <SevenofNine> Yes, but that woul dhave meant getting an older student to agree to cheat--and who know what else DD had in there? [13:45] <cbm> But what older student would give up their chance to enter [13:45] <Aislinn> I wondered about that, Mr M - it seems like there should have been magic to preven someone from putting in any name other than their own [13:45] <BlixDude> Er do we know no other Gryffindors did? [13:45] <SevenofNine> How many were of age? [13:45] <BlixDude> Angelina did [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet they did future, but since Harry didnt see or pay attnetino, we didnt see it [13:45] <futureweasley> well, Angelina did [13:45] <SevenofNine> May not have been that many beside Angelina. [13:45] <bemused> We don't know who else put their names in really [13:45] <SevenofNine> And not everyone aspires to that kind of thing. [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry doesnt seem to pay that much attention to others sometimes [13:45] <BlixDude> Right [13:45] <SevenofNine> Takes a risk taker or glory seeker [13:45] <adamgryff> I'm not sure...there might have been others we only know of one though [13:46] <Belenzie> :) [13:46] <ProngsPatronus> well, there probably was--a Confunding Charm had to be put on the cup for Barty to enter Harry's name [13:46] <futureweasley> yeah, I think that this is Jo's way of showing that Harry had no real intention of entering...he wasn't even paying attention to who actually DID put their name in [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> It does seem like more Gryffindors would have tried to enter, especially considering the qualities of their house. [13:46] *** Seanathome has joined #lounge [13:46] <Aislinn> I don't imagine there were a lot of students who were 17 or older at the time of the challenge [13:46] <cbm> I think that Angelina was just the one that everyone thought had the best chance of making it from Gryffindor [13:46] <AloysiusWeasley> true - but one would think that would be a great thing for a Gryff to do, doing something as brave as entering the tri-wiazard ytournament [13:46] <SevenofNine> Nice point future [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> no, the whole 7th year class would have been old enough [13:46] <harryfreak359> I agree Future [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet its just because Harry did not notice [13:46] <BlixDude> I think Angelina is the one everyone "knew" about putting her name in [13:47] <SevenofNine> Yeah, you're right Sooner. [13:47] <BlixDude> The others might've done it in private or not be as popular [13:47] <SevenofNine> Harry barely made his year by a few weeks [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I would guess only 12-15 students from Gyrffindor were eligible. [13:47] <Seanathome> What are you guys talking about? I'm kind of new here, too. [13:47] <adamgryff> Yes, Sooner, I'm sure someone else entered we just didn't see it [13:47] *** TigerLilyEvans has joined #lounge [13:47] <futureweasley> I think so too...we don't really know any of the "older" Gryffindors...so to know that they put their name up for consideration would have been like, "So What?" [13:47] <Aislinn> we're talking about chapters 16 and 17 from the Goblet of Fire, seanathome [13:47] <AloysiusWeasley> I'm new too, Sean! [13:47] <Seanathome> oh [13:47] <futureweasley> What did you think of Warrington as a possible Hogwarts champion? [13:47] <cbm> We did not see the other students who got hit by the age line, so I am sure there are others [13:47] <bemused> Oh dear [13:47] <SevenofNine> ***gag*** [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I would have just died. Died. [13:48] <Aislinn> I agreed with the trio - it shouldn't have been a Slytherin! [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome sean and tiger. We are talking about chapters 16& 17 of GoF [13:48] <Seanathome> Well, I didn't really read GOF.. only COS, OOTP, and HBP [13:48] <futureweasley> I think Warrington would have just died, MrMcG [13:48] * adamgryff would have to go hide somewhere if he became champion [13:48] <MrMcGonagall> lol, future! [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [13:48] <AloysiusWeasley> *jaw drops* [13:48] <BlixDude> If he was the best candidate -- more than Ceddric and Angelina -- then he must've deserved it [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> lol adam [13:48] <BlixDude> Not ALL slytherins are bad [13:48] * MrMcGonagall envisions Warrington as dragon kibble. [13:48] <BlixDude> Wait but he is bad isnt he [13:48] <ProngsPatronus> I suppose the companion question would be--what made Cedric the best pick? [13:48] <BlixDude> We know that [13:48] <AloysiusWeasley> hey, sean - time to get offline and read the rest!!! [13:49] <SevenofNine> that's right Blix, just like all the others aren't all good [13:49] <futureweasley> it takes guts to be in the Tri-Wizard tournament...and since Slytherins are spineless, gutless wonders, he would have never made it [13:49] <Aislinn> but obviously he wasn't the best candidate, as he wasn't picked [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Mr M [13:49] <adamgryff> yes future [13:49] <futureweasley> (I'm only half joking) [13:49] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [13:49] <harryfreak359> LOL Mr.McG [13:49] <cloudpic> awww... poor Seanathome...you've missed an amazing read [13:49] <BlixDude> They're also very ambitious Future [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> aww future..... I disagree with your Slytherin assessment [13:49] <Seanathome> The real reason I'm here is b/c I heard on the main news site that you guys were discussing the COS while it's playing, so when will this be? [13:49] <futureweasley> of course you do, Sooner [13:49] <BlixDude> If this were part of their ambition I'm sure they'd have made it [13:49] <cloudpic> I don't think all Syltherins are cowardly... just the ones we've been introduced to [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> that wil be tonight at 9pm eastern [13:50] <Aislinn> 9pm sean [13:50] <BlixDude> And not all Slytherins are GUTLEES and SPINELESS [13:50] <AloysiusWeasley> wish DVD's played on my computer, then I could play too [13:50] <cloudpic> Snape's not a coward! *winks* [13:50] <BlixDude> Look at Snape [13:50] <Seanathome> thanks.. i'll be back then. [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> lol guys [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Well, they are supposed to be resourceful and good at preserving their own well-being. [13:50] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Slytherins are gutless--I just don't think they are selfless [13:50] <futureweasley> YES, look at Snape [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> looking forward to seeing you sean [13:50] <TigerLilyEvans> I can' till night biggrin [13:50] <SevenofNine> No of course Slytherin aren't gutless. [13:50] <AloysiusWeasley> but then again, are all the rest of you watching tonight going to pick apart the movie for the canon bits they left out? [13:50] *** Seanathome has quit [Bye] [13:50] <BlixDude> Look at Draco [13:50] <AloysiusWeasley> somehow, I think not [13:50] <SevenofNine> Harry could have been one and he's certainly not. He was ready to die when he was 11! [13:50] <futureweasley> What did you think of Hagrid’s refusal to join S.P.E.W.? Would it be an unkindness to set the elves free? Is Dobby his breed’s personification of a weirdo? [13:50] <BlixDude> He went through with it for his family [13:51] <BlixDude> I thionk Hagrid was right at this point [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Hagrid was spot-on about everything. [13:51] <cloudpic> Hagrid's refusal surprised me a bit... I thought he was able to think "outside the box" since he'd always been excluded himself [13:51] <futureweasley> I think that Hagrid understands what HouseElves want. [13:51] <adamgryff> I think Hagrid know is magical creatures and probably knows more about the whole situation [13:51] <SevenofNine> Hagrid may know something we don't. [13:51] <bemused> Hagrid's not the campaigning type [13:51] <AloysiusWeasley> definitely, future! [13:51] <Aislinn> I think that Covey has a good point - First, seek to understand, and then be understood [13:51] <SevenofNine> Or he could be stuck in his ways [13:51] <cbm> Look at what happens to Winky, so I think it would be an unkindness [13:51] <harryfreak359> I think that Hagrid was correct in doing what he did [13:51] <BlixDude> No matter what House elves were before they were enslaved that's all they know now [13:51] <futureweasley> Dobby is truly an "oddity" [13:51] <harryfreak359> lag.... [13:51] <Aislinn> Hermione doesn't try to understand the elves, she imposes her own belief system on them [13:51] <futureweasley> but that's ok, as long as there are people like DD who are willing to hire them [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> A weirdo in every breed. [13:51] <SevenofNine> Yes, Aislinn. [13:51] <cloudpic> But he does accept some fashionable stereotypes... remember the bit about the pets being not great?? [13:52] <harryfreak359> yes, exactly Aislinn [13:52] <cbm> agreed Aislinn [13:52] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG...I'm Leaky's "Weirdo" [13:52] <SevenofNine> But perhaps Hermione AND Hagrid are right--but it will take time [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [13:52] <adamgryff> yes, there is a weirdo in every breed Mr. MrcG [13:52] <TigerLilyEvans> Well Dobby went throught the worst of it [13:52] <BlixDude> If she can't get ANY elves behind her for her own cause then it's pointless, I think [13:52] <harryfreak359> lol Future [13:52] <AloysiusWeasley> lol, future [13:52] <ProngsPatronus> still, she is right in principle, I think [13:52] <BlixDude> The magic behind it is to strong to break [13:52] <adamgryff> lol Future not all the time smile [13:52] <cloudpic> I think Dobby is an elf who is able to see past the rules of the time [13:52] <SevenofNine> Yes, PP. [13:52] <ProngsPatronus> I believe that the house elves' nature has been used against them [13:52] <SevenofNine> But the Elves first woul dhave to be freed of whatever enchantment is on them [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, even Dobby isn't stepping forward to be the SPEW poster-boy. [13:52] <bemused> Even Dobby beats DD down when he offers payment [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> Real quick interruption guys-- I know that a lot of you have questions about movie night tonight. We promise we will answer your questions on that at the end of this chat, so stick around [13:53] <cbm> I think that this is Hermione at her worst and best, worst due to her surprising lack of insight, best due to her dedication to the cause [13:53] <SevenofNine> Then they would have to be trained and educated. Could take generations [13:53] <futureweasley> I think that Hagrid just understands that houseelves like to serve...and would really be insulted if someone offered to pay them [13:53] <AloysiusWeasley> lol - I loved that part, bemused! [13:53] <SevenofNine> to truly free them if it's possible [13:53] <bemused> yes Alooysius - me too! [13:53] <Aislinn> yes, seven, I agree [13:53] <BlixDude> Hagrid is behind the creature, no matter what they want [13:53] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is possible [13:53] <BlixDude> If they are happy, he says let them be [13:53] <Aislinn> it would need to be a gradual process [13:53] <ProngsPatronus> I hate to see any race of beings as slaves [13:53] <Aislinn> and recognize their views [13:54] <BlixDude> And we could call Hagrid the "king" of magical creature [13:54] <BlixDude> s [13:54] <adamgryff> becuase Dobby does want too much freedom, so its in their nature to be owned [13:54] <SevenofNine> Yes Prongs, I agree. [13:54] <Aislinn> they could be given rights without taking away their roles [13:54] <futureweasley> they have always seen "paying" as a mark of disgrace...that comes from years of teachings [13:54] <cbm> I think that a better cause would be to get them better treatment [13:54] <Aislinn> the right not to be abused, the way that Dobby was, for instance [13:54] <futureweasley> What did you think of Ron’s hero worship of Krum? Why doesn’t Hermione understand Krum’s popularity? [13:54] <SevenofNine> But there's some preparation that would need to take place. Perhaps an elf school? [13:54] <TigerLilyEvans> Well the house elves are brainwash over the years [13:54] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think tradition a terrible excuse for slavery [13:54] <bemused> She doesn't like team sports [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> As we know, Hermione just doesn't understand Quidditch. [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> that's what I love about hermione [13:54] <AloysiusWeasley> lol - I remember not too awful long ago on LJ, we got into this same round-and-round about JKR's magical races [13:54] <SevenofNine> Absolutely Prongs [13:54] <futureweasley> I think that Hermione just can't wrap her head around what is SO great about Quidditch [13:54] <Aislinn> I think Hermione understands it, she just has no patience for it [13:55] <BlixDude> Hermione just isn't the type to worship a athlete [13:55] <cbm> My wife does not understand why I like American football, so it makes perfect sense to me [13:55] <adamgryff> Hermione really doesn't care for quidditch and Ron is in love with it [13:55] <harryfreak359> me too Sooner! [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> and face it..... she's been best friends with the most famous wizard for 4 years now. Who is Krum compared to Harry Potter? [13:55] <Aislinn> Hero worship of a sports player is not something that she would think is reasonable [13:55] <SevenofNine> Hermione has never experienced it. I think she might feel differently if she had. [13:55] <bemused> Good one, sooner! [13:55] <BlixDude> So has Ron lol [13:55] <TigerLilyEvans> Hermione doesn't like anything that you can't learn from a book [13:55] <Aislinn> And frankly, I don't disagree with her [13:55] <BlixDude> And he fawns over Krum [13:55] <adamgryff> very true, Sooner, Who cares if she meets Krum [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> This isn't the first time we've seen Hermione's lukewarm attitude toward the game. [13:55] <SevenofNine> Excellent Sooner [13:55] <ProngsPatronus> lol--I do think that Hermione is a "quidditch widow", if you know what I mean! [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Prongs [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> She'll cheer along with everyone else, but she's not fanatical about it. [13:55] <AloysiusWeasley> lol [13:55] <SevenofNine> Yet she does attend all the games . . . [13:56] <futureweasley> I think it's very funny that Hermione is so "anti-Krum" and Ron is such a fan...oh, how the tables do turn [13:56] <BlixDude> she';s there for Gryffindor and Harry [13:56] <TigerLilyEvans> only to support her friends [13:56] <SevenofNine> So she's at least been supportive on that level [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> hmmm, seems she is more into it since a certain redhead has started playing [13:56] <BlixDude> Not for Qudditch [13:56] <bemused> she cheers for her firends or her house - those are things she understands [13:56] <ProngsPatronus> of course she does--she is a gryffindor [13:56] <bemused> *friends [13:56] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, I agree [13:56] <SevenofNine> lol Sooner [13:56] <adamgryff> brb lag [13:56] <ProngsPatronus> lol, fw [13:56] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [13:57] <Aislinn> there is a difference between showing loyalty to your friends and House, and having blind worship of someone who happens to be a good sports player [13:57] <SevenofNine> Yes Aislinn [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed Aislinn [13:57] <bemused> Yes, Aislinn [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione is just not sports-oriented, so she doesn't understand, for instance, how someone can go ga-ga over a Quidditch player. [13:57] <cbm> very true aislinn [13:57] <ProngsPatronus> it is surely a comment on our hero-worship of some very fragile vessels in RL [13:57] <futureweasley> I fully agree, Aislinn [13:57] <AloysiusWeasley> silly question - is this chat going at all in the evening/late night? [13:57] <AloysiusWeasley> I agree, prongs [13:57] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs - that is how I see it as well [13:57] <SevenofNine> Hermione is a general fan. Someone who follows the sport at the school while she's at school, but I can't see her watching the equivalent to Monday Night Football. [13:58] <futureweasley> no Aloy...we are done here at 3PM EST [13:58] <cbm> Hermione is supporting her friends, Ron is worshipping a player [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> it wil This post has been edited by Aislinn: Dec 9 2006, 03:51 PM |
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