Reading Group Chat Transcript: 9/1/07, DH: Chapters 7 & 8 |
 Sep 1 2007, 01:37 PM
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Today's Text Chat Moderators were: Aislinn. cloudpic, fawkes28, Mr. McGonagall, Prongs Patronus
[12:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [12:59] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [12:59] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [12:59] <fawkes28> hey bookworm [13:00] <ProngsPatronus> hey, bw [13:00] <bookworm1102> hi whats up [13:00] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:00] *** omikse has joined #lounge [13:01] <ProngsPatronus> hey, omikse [13:01] <omikse> hello [13:01] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [13:02] <JaneMarple9> hello all - must be saturday smile [13:02] *** jaimedanser has joined #lounge [13:02] <bookworm1102> thank goddness [13:02] <jaimedanser> hello [13:02] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [13:02] <JaneMarple9> yep! saturdays are fun in the booth! [13:02] <fawkes28> hello all smile [13:02] <Aislinn> hello! [13:03] *** MamaJ has joined #lounge [13:03] <jaimedanser> hilo everyone :happy: [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> How are we all durrin'? [13:03] <Aislinn> jes' fine, and you? [13:03] <bookworm1102> glad the first week of school is over [13:03] <jaimedanser> pretty good [13:04] <jaimedanser> bookworm--wow, I've been in school for 3 weeks [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> We're having a lovely Labor Day weekend here in Oklahoma. Temps are down a bit, no rain forecast. [13:04] <jaimedanser> same here in Colorado biggrin [13:04] *** Fern has joined #lounge [13:04] *** Fern has quit [Bye] [13:04] *** FernDandylion has joined #lounge [13:04] <bookworm1102> really see its only the 1st week and i got stressed out just by listening to my teachers talk [13:05] <Aislinn> hi fern [13:05] <FernDandylion> Hello! [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Fern! [13:05] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [13:06] <FernDandylion> Hello, sir! [13:06] <ProngsPatronus> it's Mr. M! [13:06] <ProngsPatronus> hey [13:06] *** pthree has joined #lounge [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Prongs. [13:06] <FernDandylion> So sorry, Mr. M. [13:07] <jaimedanser> ladidadidaaaaaa laugh [13:07] <pthree> hi all [13:07] *** MadameBurgess has joined #lounge [13:07] <Aislinn> hi pthree [13:07] <bookworm1102> hi [13:07] <Aislinn> is that in honor of Charmed? [13:07] <ProngsPatronus> hey, pthree, madame Burgess [13:07] <pthree> yessmile [13:07] <MadameBurgess> hi all [13:07] <Aislinn> nice smile [13:07] <huebbe> hello all! [13:07] <Aislinn> hi MadameBurgess [13:08] *** blue4t has joined #lounge [13:08] <Aislinn> hey blue [13:08] <omikse> hello everyone.....glad to be here! [13:08] <blue4t> hi [13:08] <Aislinn> we're glad you're here too omikse [13:09] <huebbe> curious...do codes work here? [13:09] <Aislinn> some do, huebbe [13:09] <omikse> thank-you for the warm welcome [13:09] <huebbe> ok, that is about the only way I can do anything these days [13:09] <Aislinn> things like : ) but combined, will give you smile [13:09] <huebbe> yes! [13:10] <huebbe> here is a test smile [13:10] <ProngsPatronus> :) [13:10] <huebbe> thank you aislinn [13:10] <ProngsPatronus> didn't for me [13:10] <Aislinn> if you put them at the beginning of a sentence, you need a space first [13:10] <ProngsPatronus> smile [13:10] <Aislinn> anytime [13:10] <ProngsPatronus> yay! [13:10] <jaimedanser> do color codes work? [13:10] <fawkes28> yes, most of them work - the smileys devil2 angel_not [13:10] <huebbe> only sometimes and I can't remember [13:10] <Aislinn> if you are in the old interface, which is the sign on with the button, not the hyperlink, the colors work [13:10] <huebbe> all the colors! [13:11] *** Iheartprofessorsnape has joined #lounge [13:11] <JaneMarple9> :chat: [13:11] <jaimedanser> okay biggrin [13:11] <Aislinn> hello Iheartprofessorsnape [13:11] <huebbe> the codes? [13:11] <Iheartprofessorsnape> hi all [13:11] <bookworm1102> hey [13:11] * huebbe asks if this works too [13:11] <Aislinn> oh, the number codes? [13:11] <MamaJ> hello everyone [13:11] <huebbe> YEAH [13:11] <Aislinn> I've never tried them [13:11] <fawkes28> but too many smileys causes snuffles to get grumpy [13:11] <huebbe> yeah [13:11] <ProngsPatronus> veeeery grunpy [13:11] <huebbe> that is the only way I can get color [13:11] <Aislinn> that's true, fawkes, the chat gets pretty jumpy with a lot of emos. in it [13:12] <JaneMarple9> awww we wouldn't want our snuffles to be grumpy - w00t2 [13:12] <ProngsPatronus> dry [13:12] <JaneMarple9> smile [13:12] <huebbe> even on the old interface, which is what I am on [13:12] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I take it we haven't started yet? [13:12] <JaneMarple9> enough now [13:12] <huebbe> :0 [13:12] <huebbe> opps [13:12] <Aislinn> you don't see the << on the right, to pick the colors huebbe? [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> We'll start with the questions on the quarter hour. [13:12] <huebbe> nope, I don't have that option [13:12] <MadameBurgess> nope, I don't : ( [13:12] <Iheartprofessorsnape> ok [13:12] <Aislinn> boo [13:13] <fawkes28> we do love our colors in here [13:13] <huebbe> that's why I have always been basic, black and boring [13:13] <Aislinn> I don't feel like myself if I'm not wearing my blue. [13:13] <huebbe> sad [13:13] <MadameBurgess> i was wondering how everyone was able to get so many different colors [13:13] <MadameBurgess> Aislinn, I agree, I like to type in navy [13:13] <MamaJ> I'd like a little color too [13:13] <Aislinn> black can be dashing [13:13] <MrMcGonagall> I like to have a color, but I'm not particularly attached to any. [13:13] <huebbe> I'm usually green [13:13] <Iheartprofessorsnape> pleaseno yellow [13:13] <MadameBurgess> oh, no worries, no yellow for me...or orange [13:14] <ProngsPatronus> I do wish that green were a little better [13:14] *** ascellaskat has joined #lounge [13:14] <ProngsPatronus> too much yellow in it [13:14] <Aislinn> I like the green ok, but it is not my color [13:14] <jaimedanser> testing [13:14] <huebbe> yes, the dark green is the best [13:14] <jaimedanser> or not.... [13:14] <huebbe> awwwwww [13:14] <jaimedanser> okay laugh [13:14] <bookworm1102> i never really see what color I am getting the list is blank but i can stiil chose a color [13:14] <MadameBurgess> i like the shade of green that hwa usually types in, the forest-y green [13:14] <Aislinn> yes, forest-y green is quite nice [13:14] <huebbe> nice aislinn, make me jelous! :0 [13:15] <fawkes28> black is fine too [13:15] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [13:15] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:15] <fawkes28> hey pleshette [13:15] <huebbe> smile [13:15] <ProngsPatronus> my favourite, of course, is the dark blue one [13:15] <fawkes28> and bemused! [13:15] <Aislinn> hi pleshette, bemused! [13:15] <Pleshette> Hello! smile [13:15] <bemused> Hello! [13:15] <huebbe> hiya pleshette! [13:15] <MadameBurgess> Prongs, I'm with you! [13:15] <Pleshette> Great to see you all here! [13:15] <huebbe> "the ants come marching one by one hoorah......" [13:16] <fawkes28> time to chat! [13:16] <jaimedanser> haha [13:16] *** MadameBurgess has quit [Bye] [13:16] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [13:16] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [13:16] *** MadameBurgess has joined #lounge [13:16] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:16] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:16] <fawkes28> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:16] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:17] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:17] <ProngsPatronus> Harry recalls a vision and thinks about some guy named Gregorovitch. He can use magic without the Trace and gets all sorts of nice gifts. Ron butts in while Ginny was giving Harry her gift. Hagrid gives Harry a Moleskin pouch. Dumbledore bequeathed the Trio various things which the Ministry had been puzzling over all this time. [13:17] <ProngsPatronus> Ron got Dumbledore’s Deluminator; Hermione got a copy of The Tales of Beedle the Bard; and, Harry got the Snitch he caught in his first Quidditch match. Harry was not given Gryffindor’s sword as Scrimgeour said it wasn’t for Dumbledore to give. Harry and Scrimgeour argue. Harry later opens the Snitch to discover Dumbledore’s note: “I open at the close.” [13:17] <ProngsPatronus> Disguised as Barney Weasley, Harry plays the role of usher at the wedding. Harry and Ron greet an odd wizard dressed in egg-yolk yellow robes. Around his neck is a golden necklace shaped rather like an eye. They find out he is Xenophilius Lovegood, Luna’s father. Luna sees through Harry’s disguise. [13:17] <ProngsPatronus> Great Auntie Muriel is a total pain and a bit of a lush. Krum reappears and takes Xenophilius to task for the Grindewald emblem he’s wearing. Doge waxes poetic on Dumbledore which Muriel delightedly counters. The wedding ends with the news that Scrimgeour is dead and the Ministry has fallen. The Death Eaters are coming. [13:18] <ProngsPatronus> Thanks to the Rooftop Garden and the Dragon’s Den for today’s introduction! Here we go! [13:18] *** Madame has joined #lounge [13:18] *** MadameBurgess has quit [Bye] [13:18] <ProngsPatronus> Why is it so very hard for Harry to remember names?!? [13:19] *** kneazlegirl has joined #lounge [13:19] <Iheartprofessorsnape> its mokeskin he he [13:19] <bemused> he doesn't keep reading his own story like we do! [13:19] <JaneMarple9> because we have only heard Greogrovitch once [13:19] <huebbe> I believe Harry is a face to face type of person, he rememebers faces but not names...he needs to see them [13:19] <blue4t> There you go, Bemused [13:19] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:19] <fawkes28> the poor boy has so much else going on in his life - i think names are the least of his problems [13:19] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Harry was new to the wizarding world only 6 years ago so everything was new [13:19] <jaimedanser> because we only heard Gregorovitch once? [13:19] <MrMcGonagall> Because he only hears them once and has to remember them whereas we've read that scene in GoF a hundred times. [13:19] <kneazlegirl> Hey, what are we talking about? [13:19] <JaneMarple9> (((Cloud)))) [13:19] <jaimedanser> and it was off hand, really [13:19] <blue4t> He didn't think remembering Gregorovitch would be important. [13:19] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [13:19] <Iheartprofessorsnape> everytime he encounters someone that we don't know he doesn't know either because he didn't grow up around it [13:19] <jaimedanser> my dad said that we should read the book like Harry experiences them [13:19] <bookworm1102> maybe at the time that he heres the names he doesnt think that they are important at the time so he blows it off [13:19] <huebbe> he rememebers faces, but only vaugly [13:19] <Aislinn> we're talking about Harry having trouble remembering Gregorovitch's name [13:20] <FernDandylion> Frankly I think he has gotten better -- as he should as he ages. [13:20] <jaimedanser> Cause we're like, come on that was only 3 chapters ago...but it was really like 3 months ago [13:20] <jaimedanser> wink [13:20] <kneazlegirl> Oh. Yeah, obviously he didn't re-read. [13:20] <Aislinn> He only heard it once, during the wand weighing, and he was very nervous at that [13:20] <huebbe> it was 4 books ago? [13:20] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry doesn't relate with names, but with emotions--from the heart, where there are no names [13:20] <cloudpic> Hmm.... I thought he did quite well remembering something heard only that one time and then under stress [13:20] <Madame> I remembered the name, but only because I had just reread all the books... [13:20] <huebbe> it was hard for me to remember too! [13:20] <Aislinn> not surprising that he wouldn't remember the name [13:20] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [13:20] *** ascellaskat has quit [Bye] [13:20] <Madame> If I had actually been Harry, I don't know if I would have even recognized the name [13:20] <JaneMarple9> laugh imagines Harry picking up the Harry Potter books to remember what had happened to him [13:21] <fawkes28> It also is a writing strategy to get us thinking - she can't give away everything - where would the fun be in that? [13:21] <huebbe> hahahaha [13:21] *** MamaJ has quit [Bye] [13:21] <jaimedanser> Jane--haha! :lol: [13:21] *** Madame has quit [Bye] [13:21] *** MadameBurgess has joined #lounge [13:21] <Aislinn> I'm horrible with names, so I never would have remembered what he did [13:21] <JaneMarple9> i recognised gregorovitch immediately [13:21] <jaimedanser> i didn't [13:22] <bookworm1102> he probably didnt think the name was important at the time [13:22] <bemused> does anyone remember who made fleur's wand - she says, preparing to duck as thirty people shout the anser!! [13:22] <fawkes28> he never does [13:22] <jaimedanser> I had no clue who gregorovitch was [13:22] <ProngsPatronus> What are your thoughts on Molly handing down her brother’s watch to Harry, as opposed to presenting him with a new watch? [13:22] <bemused> *answer [13:22] <Aislinn> I don't think we hear the answer, bemused [13:22] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I LOVED IT [13:22] <JaneMarple9> i'm not too good with faces, but quite good with names [13:22] <Pleshette> I loved it! [13:22] <huebbe> I really thought it was a moment [13:22] <Iheartprofessorsnape> it truly showed that he was part of the family in every way [13:22] <Aislinn> it was so incredibly touching [13:22] <JaneMarple9> fantastic! [13:22] <bemused> Same here, Pleshette [13:22] <huebbe> it was accepting Harry [13:22] <fawkes28> it came from the heart [13:22] <bemused> so full of meanings [13:22] <huebbe> in every way possible [13:22] <kneazlegirl> I was surprised she gave it to Harry over one of her own sons. [13:22] <blue4t> At the time I just thought that the family saved money to buy their children new watches for their 17th birthday, but didn't have the money to buy Harry a new one, so he got the hand-me-down. [13:22] <kneazlegirl> But it was a nice gesture. [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> I rather like it. It would have meant more to me than receiving a new one. [13:23] <bookworm1102> it kinda made him even more part of the family then he already was didnt it? smile [13:23] <JaneMarple9> And i still say it was foreshadowing fred;s death [13:23] <Aislinn> and it was even better, the way harry tried to show her how he felt about it [13:23] <MadameBurgess> I loved the "family" heirloom watch, rather than a new store-bought one [13:23] <huebbe> yes 1102 [13:23] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I would rather have the used one with meaning [13:23] <JaneMarple9> because it was Fabians - Fred to die [13:23] <fawkes28> she was showing him how much she loves him even if Ron has to go with Harry - she thought of him as a son [13:23] <jaimedanser> I loved it!!!! It meant so much more than getting a new one--Harry really was par tof the family [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> Harry really is a Weasley. [13:23] <Aislinn> yes, Iheartprofessorsnape, me too [13:23] <huebbe> smile [13:23] <JaneMarple9> yeah molly considers harry her son [13:23] <huebbe> agreed Mr. McG [13:23] <jaimedanser> oh-and bemused, we never learn who made Fleur's wand. Not in the books anyway [13:23] <JaneMarple9> and hermione too [13:24] <huebbe> literally....hehehe [13:24] <jaimedanser> Well, Jane, she considers Hermione her daughter, not her son! wink [13:24] <ProngsPatronus> Harry and Molly shared a hug following the presentation of his watch. He put a lot of “unsaid” things into it. Did Molly understand how much Harry appreciates her, or does his complete inability to ever have the right words at the right time prevent her from understanding his gratitude. [13:24] <JaneMarple9> of course biggrin [13:24] <JaneMarple9> she now considers her her daughter in law ;) [13:24] <blue4t> I think Molly understands. [13:24] <Aislinn> I think she definitely understood [13:24] <MadameBurgess> No, I think she understands [13:24] <jaimedanser> I think she understood what he was trying to say through his hug [13:24] <Pleshette> With six sons, one may have been miffed that the other got it...this way Harry receives a hand me down heirloom and which really makes him one of them [13:24] <fawkes28> mothers always seem to know [13:24] <huebbe> I think Molly is a pretty intuative mother, she would have gotten it [13:24] <bemused> it was touching that he didn't even know a watch was a traditional gift and Molly had to tell him - I'm sure he understood [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> No, I think Molly understands. Love doesn't require a return. [13:25] <Iheartprofessorsnape> she completely understood, and so did the bacon...he he [13:25] <MadameBurgess> She lives with all boys except for Ginny...of course she understands [13:25] <Aislinn> She raised a lot of sons, so knows how they relate feeligns. [13:25] <jaimedanser> the bacon...haha [13:25] <bookworm1102> I think that she understands without harry ever saying so [13:25] <JaneMarple9> molly is very understanding [13:25] <bemused> sorry, I'm sure she undrstood [13:25] <Aislinn> there was a return, Mr M [13:25] <JaneMarple9> she knew harry didn't have to say anything [13:25] <Pleshette> no doubt she understood [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> What I mean is that it passes unseen between giver and receiver. [13:25] <huebbe> moms just know... [13:25] <Aislinn> oh yes, I agree with that [13:25] <Pleshette> yep smile [13:26] <Iheartprofessorsnape> The only other time I remember them sharing a hug like that was in GOF after Cedric died and she was there as his family [13:26] <huebbe> just like her bogart.....a bit of some forshadowing [13:26] <Aislinn> it was such a beautiful moment between the two of them. [13:26] <huebbe> I think she knew one of them would die [13:26] <bookworm1102> it just shows that molly is the mother figure in Harrys life [13:26] <Aislinn> Molly really has been a mother for him in a way that he only had for the first year of his life. [13:26] <MadameBurgess> I also loved the hug at the end of GoF...a mother's hug... :tear: [13:26] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [13:26] <FernDandylion> It was touching, and important that he convey how much he appreciated being a part of a family [13:27] <jaimedanser> Madame--oh, me too! That was beautiful! [13:27] <Aislinn> oh, that is one of my favorite moments in all the books, MadameBurgess [13:27] <huebbe> total acceptance [13:27] <Spectre> hi all, I'm a bit late smile [13:27] <ProngsPatronus> What did you think of Harry and Ginny's kiss? Should Harry have stayed away, and avoided the situation? [13:27] <MadameBurgess> hi Spectre [13:27] <huebbe> hello spectre [13:27] <Pleshette> and it truly confirms that he's an adult in the world he relates to and truly belongs to [13:27] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Ginny did it [13:27] <blue4t> No. [13:27] <huebbe> Wow!!! [13:27] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Spectre [13:27] <MadameBurgess> I don't think so... [13:27] <huebbe> no way [13:27] <Aislinn> no, I was thrilled that she gave him that gift [13:27] <JaneMarple9> it was very tiuching [13:27] <Pleshette> I loved it [13:27] <MadameBurgess> imagine if he had turned her down...talk about a blow to the self-esteem [13:27] <fawkes28> i thought it was a nice goodbye [13:27] <ProngsPatronus> gave him something to fight for, if you ask me [13:28] <JaneMarple9> i reckon it was harry's favourite gift! [13:28] <bookworm1102> it just prove no mattered how hard he tried he cant avoid his feelings for Ginny [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> No, it's hopeless for the two of them to try and bury their feelings. [13:28] <huebbe> and I think he wanted it as much as she wanted to give it.....ahem [13:28] <FernDandylion> I think he was taken off guard and probably would have avoided it had he been thinking it was coming [13:28] <blue4t> yes, Prongs [13:28] <Iheartprofessorsnape> It was such a great moment for the two of them and the possibility that they could still get together [13:28] <jaimedanser> no...it was a nice goodbye. and how would Ginny have felt if Harry was like "No, I won't come into your room"? [13:28] <huebbe> lol JaneMarple [13:28] <ProngsPatronus> seemed like a promise, as well [13:28] <fawkes28> she understood that he had trying times ahead and it would be a nice memory for him to hold with him in the darkest of times [13:28] <JaneMarple9> it has been coming on for years [13:28] <MadameBurgess> exactly, jaimedanser [13:28] <ProngsPatronus> I will still be here when you get finished [13:28] <fawkes28> oh, i like that, prongs [13:28] <FernDandylion> That she still cared for him was important for him to know -- to give him hope! [13:28] <Pleshette> very true Prongs [13:28] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:28] <MadameBurgess> ...and then we can finish? smile [13:29] <blue4t> It was the first time Harry'd ever been in her room. [13:29] <JaneMarple9> it told harry she'd be waiting for him [13:29] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:29] <Spectre> I wonder how far was Ginny ready to go smile [13:29] <huebbe> oh... [13:29] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I don't think she would have gone much farther [13:29] <JaneMarple9> do we need to know that? smile [13:29] <Aislinn> she wasn't happy with Ron when he stopped the connection [13:29] <ProngsPatronus> Why did Ron interfere between Ginny and Harry? Was this for him to do? [13:29] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I agree JaneMarple [13:29] <huebbe> where is my shaking head emitcon? [13:29] <FernDandylion> It was what it was meant to be, don't you think? [13:30] <bookworm1102> i know we all expected them to be togethet but in a way i guess it was foreshadowing that harry was going to live . maybe [13:30] <MadameBurgess> I hadn't thought about it that way before...but maybe she wasn't planning on "the whole cake", just a liitle slice to tempt [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> I think so, Fern. [13:30] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I think it was the brotherly thing to do [13:30] <blue4t> Ron's just playing the overprotective older brother part. [13:30] <fawkes28> it is a classic Ron moment [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> It was perfect just as it was. [13:30] <Aislinn> I think it was a typically protective, big brother action [13:30] <Spectre> Though the matters could be worse if Molly spotted them biggrin [13:30] <jaimedanser> I think he was just being very protective of Ginny [13:30] <JaneMarple9> rons just being ron [13:30] <Pleshette> i think it was one of those perfect moments...a moment to remember for both of them [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> Ron ticked me off here, frankly. [13:30] <huebbe> agreed pleshette [13:30] <Aislinn> agreed Pleshette [13:30] <jaimedanser> and being himself, always interupting people [13:30] <Iheartprofessorsnape> As much as I didn't like his interruption I liked it even more [13:30] <huebbe> me too Mr.Mc [13:30] <JaneMarple9> ron appears always at the wrong moment [13:30] <jaimedanser> what I wonder is who he intended for Harry to use the book on if not Ginny? [13:30] <huebbe> I wanted to hit him through the pages [13:30] <bookworm1102> he was play ing the over portective brother role harry just shoukd be glad it was not all 6 of her brothers that caught them smile [13:31] <FernDandylion> I am glad Ron showed a bit of bravdo ... as he should do for his sister [13:31] <MadameBurgess> i only found it amusing because he wanted so badly to get them together in OotP, then balked when the moment came [13:31] <Pleshette> I agree with you jaimedanser that Ron was being protective [13:31] <FernDandylion> True, Madame, True! [13:31] <huebbe> I found it totally unecessary [13:31] *** svernor has joined #lounge [13:31] <Pleshette> he knew what Harry was setting out to do [13:31] <ProngsPatronus> I can understand why, though--Harry had broken up with Ginny. [13:31] <JaneMarple9> he didn't want ginny hurt - he knew harry was going horcrux hunting [13:31] <huebbe> but he also knew, or should have known that Harry loved Ginny still [13:31] <Aislinn> yes, and he knew how upset she had been over the break-up [13:32] <Pleshette> and the possibility that he may never return [13:32] *** omikse has quit [Bye] [13:32] <ProngsPatronus> he didn't want anyone taking advantage of his sister [13:32] <jaimedanser> no, he didn't, Prongs [13:32] <Aislinn> I think it was kind of nice that he was trying to protect her in that way, even if it was misguided. [13:32] <huebbe> I didn't see it as taking advatage of her [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> Ron needs to learn to mind his own business. [13:32] <Pleshette> maybe he didn't realize the depth of their feelings for each other either [13:32] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Thank goodness she wasn't the weepy type, that moment could have gone completely wrong [13:32] <blue4t> This is Ron we're talking about. He isn't sure whether Harry would rather have Hermione. [13:32] <ProngsPatronus> I meant that Ron might have seen it that way [13:32] <Pleshette> he's just learning to recognize it himself between himself and Hermione [13:32] <Aislinn> people generally don't mind their own business when it comes to their families smile [13:32] <jaimedanser> blue--Oh, oh!!! SO true!!! [13:32] <huebbe> I thought it was a promise between the two of them....and Ron, misreading the situation as he always does...butted in [13:33] <ProngsPatronus> Lupin did not look happy as he sat next to the radiant Tonks. Why? [13:33] <FernDandylion> Blue I think has it right! [13:33] <Aislinn> I think you're right huebbe [13:33] <Spectre> Yes, Ron was suspecting a H/Hr ship until he destroyed the locket biggrin [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Lupin almost always seems to be living under a cloud, worried about the future. [13:33] <kneazlegirl> That was setting up for the later scene with Lupin. [13:33] <Aislinn> Lupin was feeling regret at giving in to his feelings [13:33] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I think he was worried about the people there and what they were thinking as well as his guilt for her being "pregnant." I feel like they at least kenw [13:33] <huebbe> perhaps he already knew of the pregancy [13:33] <MadameBurgess> i think he felt guilty to have any happiness when all of friends were dead, risking their necks, in danger, etc. [13:33] <Spectre> Tonks probably already knew about her baby [13:33] <Aislinn> He didn't believe he should put Tonks in the position she was in. [13:33] <JaneMarple9> because tonks was pregent [13:33] <kneazlegirl> Which I still don't really get. [13:34] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Lupin had a lot of the same feelings as Harry did [13:34] <fawkes28> poor Lupin - he was so afraid that the baby would be like him [13:34] <jaimedanser> Lupin was worried about her and the baby, probably [13:34] <Aislinn> she did know - she was phrased as glowing [13:34] <JaneMarple9> also he and tonks had had a very quiet wedding [13:34] <jaimedanser> poor Lupin *sigh* [13:34] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [13:34] <huebbe> yes....."glowing" is usually a pregnant termsmile [13:34] <MadameBurgess> but you don't have to know you're pregnant to "glow" [13:34] <fawkes28> i think the war also got to him as well - being a spy took a huge told on him [13:34] <JaneMarple9> while bill and fleur's was quite a occasion [13:34] <ProngsPatronus> clueless Lupin *sigh* [13:34] <Pleshette> Hi Questauthor! [13:34] <Aislinn> We're talking about why Lupin looked so miserable at the birthday party, Questauthor [13:34] <Questauthor> Hey Guys [13:34] <Questauthor> Oh [13:34] <JaneMarple9> hi quest [13:34] <huebbe> hiya! [13:34] <Questauthor> Cuz he needed his rabies shot? [13:34] <bookworm1102> i guess he already knew tonks was preguant at the time and with the baby and considering his "furry little problem" he was just worrrying for his familys future [13:35] <Aislinn> lol [13:35] <blue4t> Lupin hated/was scared of the position he put Tonks in. [13:35] <JaneMarple9> i think the death of mad eye hit lupin hard [13:35] <huebbe> it was really an awful spot for him to be in [13:35] <Questauthor> Sorry. He was overwhelmed by everything... Tonks, Volde, Death Eaters, it all [13:35] <Spectre> True Jane [13:35] <JaneMarple9> probably close to a full moon too? smile [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps he felt a little guilty, too, that Tonks had had to give up any idea of a big wedding because of the circumstances of marrying him. [13:35] <Aislinn> I think he really felt like he should never have given in to his feelings, and in his view "trapped" Tonks into a miserable existence [13:35] <Spectre> Who prepared Wolfsbane for Lupin since Snape's flight? [13:35] <jaimedanser> MrM--yes, I think Lupin did have quite a lot of guilt [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> The huge Weasley wedding would be a bit oppressive to him in tht light. [13:35] <Iheartprofessorsnape> He was carrying the weight of thw rold on his shoulders [13:35] <Questauthor> His self worth is so low, has been throughout the series [13:35] <Pleshette> I agree with that Aislinn [13:36] <Questauthor> And he saw that by marrying him, Tonks was "giving up" a normal life [13:36] <FernDandylion> Poor Lupin - I am sure he has felt second class -- and, now feels he has shared that with those he loves [13:36] <JaneMarple9> probably tonks or slughorn [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> Weddings are such happy occasions, and Lupin doesn't see a lot of reason to be happy at the moment. [13:36] <huebbe> he's lost his two best friends, his wife is pregnant with an unkown, LV is killing everyone, his best friends son won't tell him anytihing, and lets see what else......he has stress [13:36] <Questauthor> Given what's coming, I don't know that I blame him for his doldrums [13:36] <bookworm1102> but thing is lupin i guess kinda feels guilty for everything right? at least about his "furry little problem' [13:36] <Pleshette> I sometimes think he feel unworthy of the love and happiness that Tonks wants to offer him [13:36] <Aislinn> yes, he knew in his heart that he was putting her, and now their child, at risk, and also ostracizing them from society [13:36] <Spectre> And the Tonks family probably had a *talk* to him [13:36] <ProngsPatronus> and from her own family [13:36] <Iheartprofessorsnape> She also knew that risk though when she married him [13:36] <Spectre> Not a very pleasant one [13:36] <MadameBurgess> Quest, I agree...I think he mirrors Harry in a lot of ways, unworthy of the love/friendship/respect of others who are "normal" [13:37] <jaimedanser> Yes, Lupin was angry with himself for putting Tonks, her family, and their unborn child in danger [13:37] <Aislinn> yes she did, Iheartprofessorsnape [13:37] <bookworm1102> did we find out weither or not ted turned into a werewolf? [13:37] <Aislinn> it was his insecurities, not hers. [13:37] <huebbe> yes aislinn, perhaps he already knew what the rest of society thought of Tonks for marrying him [13:37] <JaneMarple9> yes ted and 'dromda probably had a good chat with lupin [13:37] <fawkes28> he didn't, bookworm [13:37] <huebbe> which is why Bella wants to kill her so badly [13:37] <Spectre> Jo said that Ted wasn't a werevolf in the chat [13:37] <ProngsPatronus> What does it say that they had to escape the party before Scrimgeour’s arrival? [13:37] <bookworm1102> okay [13:38] <JaneMarple9> they didn't want to see the Ministry [13:38] <Spectre> Tonks is still an Auror, maybe she didn't want to be caught off-duty? [13:38] <Aislinn> because of the negative views of the wizarding world against his kind [13:38] <Aislinn> it would have been a guilt by association thing for the Weasleys [13:38] <fawkes28> at this point, i wondered what was going on with Lupin - he definitely seemed to be shaken and not well at all [13:38] <FernDandylion> Lupin said that since the Ministry did not think well of werewolves at the moment he did not want that to reflect back to Harry, et al [13:38] <JaneMarple9> they knew there was trouble brewing in the ministry, with Thicknesse [13:38] <bemused> In the next chapter Tonks explains that the Minsitry was being very anti-werewolf [13:38] <Questauthor> I think the MoM figured all werewolves were with Volde [13:38] <huebbe> and that compiled with the fact that they themselves don't agree with Scrimgeour [13:38] <jaimedanser> hmm...perhaps he didn't want to get in trouble with the Ministry or get the Weasleys in any more trouble [13:38] <Pleshette> the Ministry still doesn't recogize that Lupin is on their side [13:38] *** Synesthesia has joined #lounge [13:38] <Iheartprofessorsnape> No one can blame them for being anti-werewolf though, Lupin is in the complete minority [13:38] <Aislinn> right, Pleshette [13:39] <bookworm1102> did werewolfs have to be regestered at the minisry you know like animaguis , its either that or its illeagl for tonks and remus to be married [13:39] <huebbe> true pleshette [13:39] <bemused> They thought it would complicate things for Harry if Scrimgeour saw them there [13:39] <huebbe> hmmmm I don't think so? [13:39] <Spectre> If Lupin was a "registered werewolf", he couldn't possibly have become a Hogwarts teacher [13:39] <FernDandylion> I think their rapid leaving was more indication of Lupin's presence of mind ... deteriorating [13:39] <huebbe> too true spectre [13:40] <Aislinn> that probably played into it, yes fern [13:40] <huebbe> I saw it like they were out-laws [13:40] <Pleshette> me too huebbe [13:40] <bookworm1102> but if he wasnt regesterd then that could be why he ran [13:40] <Questauthor> Didn't DD have to get special dispensation for Lupin to go to Hogwarts? That implies the MoM knew about his affliction [13:40] <Aislinn> I don't think there was a registry [13:40] <huebbe> me either [13:40] <FernDandylion> me either [13:40] <MrMcGonagall> He just didn't want complications for Harry or to create an awkward situation. [13:40] <huebbe> at least I dont' remember anyting [13:40] <MadameBurgess> I don't think that's it... [13:41] <Synesthesia> i don't think there's one either [13:41] <Synesthesia> perhaps i should find my book... [13:41] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M [13:41] <ProngsPatronus> What did you make of Arthur’s weasel Patronus? [13:41] <Synesthesia> weasel. that' sjust cute. [13:41] <huebbe> true, but with Scrig....it's always awkward [13:41] <blue4t> fitting [13:41] <Aislinn> it was perfect! [13:41] <jaimedanser> I thought his Patronus was very fitting biggrin [13:41] <Synesthesia> i love the way they can talk too [13:41] <Spectre> Arthur is the head of the family [13:41] <fawkes28> it was great for him [13:41] <bookworm1102> makes sense you know his last name and all [13:41] <Aislinn> yes, that was a cool new feature to the Patronus [13:41] <huebbe> fantastic! [13:41] <bemused> it was a reminder of what a Patronus can do [13:41] <ProngsPatronus> he is a true Weasley [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> Perfect patronus for Arthur. [13:41] <Synesthesia> that scene will look cool in the movie at least [13:41] <Spectre> and he is THE weasley smile [13:41] <Spectre> Weasley [13:41] * huebbe was tickled to death...how fitting [13:41] <FernDandylion> Great [13:42] <jaimedanser> True Weasley, eh? [13:42] <Questauthor> I loved it. [13:42] <Spectre> I wonder if any of the sons inherited the weasel patronus [13:42] <Questauthor> I thought it a bit contrived that they can suddenly talk, personally [13:42] <Pleshette> very appropriate [13:42] <Aislinn> ooh, good question [13:42] <Aislinn> we know that Ron didn't [13:42] <Pleshette> not Ron [13:42] <Questauthor> I would imagine Charlie's is a dragon [13:42] <huebbe> can you inherit patronous oficially i mean [13:42] <jaimedanser> yea... [13:42] <Spectre> and Ginny didn't too, but she's not a son biggrin [13:42] <Aislinn> we knew they communicated in some way, Questauthor [13:42] <kneazlegirl> JKR always hinted that they were used to communicate. [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> If anyone did, I would guess George. [13:42] <bookworm1102> maybe bill does since he is the oldest [13:42] <Aislinn> since we learned the Order used them to pass messages in HBP [13:42] <bemused> well, they couldn't when their father was alive, could they? [13:42] <jaimedanser> George or Bill I'd say if anyone [13:43] <Questauthor> yes, but the clear speeches and all... I dunno. I figured we would have heard about it earlier than this [13:43] <kneazlegirl> I'm not sure whether a weasel was fitting, though. [13:43] <MadameBurgess> I don't think that they could suddenly talk...we hadn't actually seen anyone else's patronus before now, except in the RoR [13:43] <bemused> unless they had a different weasel [13:43] <fawkes28> we are very limited being from Harry's point of view [13:43] <JaneMarple9> it was fantastic, Arthur's patronus! [13:43] <blue4t> They weren't needed until now, though. [13:43] <Questauthor> There are only so many animals in the world, I'm sure there are repeat patronuses [13:43] <JaneMarple9> what else could it have been? [13:43] <jaimedanser> Quest--yeah. [13:43] <FernDandylion> Tonks sent her's to the castle to alert them she had Harry.... remember Questauthor [13:43] <Pleshette> I'd think fred and george would have hyenas or monkeys ;) [13:43] <ProngsPatronus> Scrimgeour tries to interrogate the Trio separately, but they nix that. Why did he underestimate them? [13:43] <bookworm1102> lol [13:43] <JaneMarple9> shame it wasn;t a electric plug though? smile [13:43] <Aislinn> the cat, for instance, for McGonagall and Umbridge [13:43] <huebbe> smile [13:43] <kneazlegirl> Weasels are supposed to be really sneaky. [13:44] <Spectre> He didn't know much of the Trio [13:44] <bemused> because he's the Minsiter and they're school kids [13:44] <Spectre> and how could he smile [13:44] <huebbe> yeah well, look at Fred and George! [13:44] <blue4t> Because he's Scrimgeour? [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> He thinks of them as children yet. [13:44] <jaimedanser> electric plug!!!!!!!!!!!! bahaha! laugh thanks for that Jane [13:44] <Synesthesia> because they are children in his eyes [13:44] <bookworm1102> because to him they are just kids [13:44] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I think he saw them as children, and I giggled everytime he called Ron Ronald [13:44] <MadameBurgess> because he looks at them as kids...a mistake many of us make [13:44] <Pleshette> they're "children" [13:44] <Aislinn> yes he does [13:44] <Questauthor> He thinks a great deal of his position [13:44] <FernDandylion> He's the minister -- used to everyone doing what he says! [13:44] <JaneMarple9> he hardly knew hermione and ron [13:44] *** svernor has quit [Bye] [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> And Scrimmy is accustomed to being obeyed. [13:44] <Questauthor> and an ex-auror [13:44] <Questauthor> intimidation is part of his overall package, as it were [13:44] <JaneMarple9> he considered harry "dumbledore's man" [13:44] <jaimedanser> Yes, he does she them as children. And he didn't know how protective of Harry Ron and Hermione were [13:44] <fawkes28> yes, Scrimgeour seems to be the typically authority figure [13:44] <huebbe> Scrig is condescending....he believes children are there to be manipulated and pay homage to adults [13:44] <Spectre> and Scrimgeour was living his last day in that scene... sad [13:44] <Pleshette> I love how Hermione takes on Scrimgeour! [13:44] <Synesthesia> he just thinks he can take control of the situation. [13:44] <Aislinn> it is classic interrogation technique, so it's not surprising he would attempt to use it. [13:44] <Questauthor> I think he figured Ron or Hermione would be a weak link [13:45] <bookworm1102> agrees [13:45] <kneazlegirl> Everyone underestimated the trio at some point or another. [13:45] <Synesthesia> he doesn't realize how smart and powerful the trio is. the power of three, baybee [13:45] <Iheartprofessorsnape> He may have also wanted them separate for the same type of reason Mrs. Weasley did [13:45] <JaneMarple9> he underestimates how clever the trio are [13:45] <Iheartprofessorsnape> THe three of them together are a force to be reconed with [13:45] <kneazlegirl> How could he know, anyway? [13:45] <kneazlegirl> To him, they're just kids. [13:45] <jaimedanser> IHPS--yes, they are [13:45] <Aislinn> they are much stronger together, Synesthesia, you're right [13:45] <bookworm1102> he does hang around them everyday so he does not know them as well as everyone else [13:45] <Spectre> Umbridge could have told him a couple of things... biggrin [13:46] <huebbe> "Do not think that youth has no force to talk to you and I" ~Thoreau [13:46] <bookworm1102> *does not [13:46] <MadameBurgess> this is the only thing that I fault him on... [13:46] <Aislinn> ah, very nice huebbe [13:46] <ProngsPatronus> Hermione told Scrimgeour she wanted to do something useful and would not go into Magical Law. Was this Hermione’s character based on the events in the book, or was Jo making a comment about the Law? [13:46] <MadameBurgess> i think that he should have made more of an effort to "woo" Harry and understand him [13:46] <huebbe> no, just a lovely slam to Scrig [13:46] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I think it was a bit of both [13:46] <Aislinn> both [13:46] <kneazlegirl> I think she was insulting the Ministry as he ran it. [13:46] <Pleshette> Hermione rocked! [13:46] <fawkes28> i think it was a little bit of both [13:46] <bookworm1102> i would not be suprised if it was both [13:46] <huebbe> imprisoning the wrong people [13:47] <Synesthesia> i don' tkow, but she sees how corrupt the system is [13:47] <MadameBurgess> i think that it was just a good Hermione comeback [13:47] <fawkes28> Jo definitely puts her view of the world in the books in many ways - this was one of them [13:47] <bookworm1102> be right back guys [13:47] <Questauthor> It was classic rebel Hermione [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, huebbe, considering Hermione one day does pursue a career in Magical Law Enforcement. [13:47] <Synesthesia> she sees how foolish they are all and is too smart to join with that. [13:47] <bemused> It sounded typical of Hermione to me - tho' of course, she may reflect her creator [13:47] <Aislinn> it was a fantastic comeback, madame [13:47] <Iheartprofessorsnape> She knew so much about how wills work, I wonder if she was expecting this? [13:47] <Spectre> As far as I remember, Hermione *did* a bit of career in Magical Law smile [13:47] <Synesthesia> well, at least with the current ministry [13:47] <kneazlegirl> Hermione would definitely see laws as important. [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> The thing is, there is a good and a poor approach to law. [13:47] <huebbe> yes [13:47] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was an insult, since the rule of law had pretty much gone out the window [13:47] <Questauthor> I think that convo planted a seed in her, which she remembered later on [13:47] <Questauthor> Then worked from within to fix the problems she saw [13:48] <jaimedanser> Spectre--yep [13:48] <kneazlegirl> While Scrimgeour was there, she probably couldn't imagine herself being able to make much difference in the Ministry's laws. [13:48] <JaneMarple9> hermione probably did tons better than scrimgeour [13:48] <Pleshette> At this point, change may have seemed hopeless [13:48] <FernDandylion> I think the Ministry will have changed for her to be involved -- [13:48] <Aislinn> yes, she was one for whom working within the system would be ingrained, Questauthor [13:48] <huebbe> I think she really wanted to get across the point the under his regime, he was not doing a good job [13:48] <fawkes28> very true, kneazlegirl [13:48] <FernDandylion> ditto huebbe! [13:48] <ProngsPatronus> Why did Dumbledore chose to bequeath these items through a will rather than give them with explanations during the previous year? [13:49] <fawkes28> because he likes his secrets [13:49] <huebbe> part of his plan [13:49] <jaimedanser> To make it a real quest. Dumbledore didn't like just telling them everything [13:49] <Questauthor> Sigh. The big Question with Dumbledore... everything has to be figured out on one's own [13:49] <FernDandylion> It would have shown he knew he was dying ... wouldn't it? [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> Giving them in person would have required some explanation, and DD didn't want to give the game away that early. [13:49] <Pleshette> part of the journey; discovering the meaning for themselves [13:49] <huebbe> just as Harry ends up doing something similar to Neville [13:49] <Synesthesia> to mak ethe story more interesting? [13:49] <jaimedanser> Fern--yes, it would have [13:49] <Aislinn> and he wanted Harry to come to his needed realizations slowly [13:49] <Questauthor> Plus the book wouldn't have been half as long! [13:49] <huebbe> yes [13:49] <bemused> true, FernDandylion [13:49] <Aislinn> not just supply answers [13:49] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Especially with the deluminator, he may have needed it [13:49] <fawkes28> and it would have been far too easy to just give them to the Trio [13:49] <Synesthesia> and so that harry would make the right decision without being pushed into it [13:49] <kneazlegirl> They wouldn't have understood how important the objects were. [13:49] <huebbe> right aislinn, there is no soul searching in supplying the correct answers [13:50] <MadameBurgess> hmm...but I wonder... [13:50] <JaneMarple9> because he wanted them to get them after his death [13:50] <MadameBurgess> now that I think about it, did DD have the ring on when he died? [13:50] <kneazlegirl> It was only the fact that these were Dumbledore's final gifts to them that made them pay attention to such useless-seeming objects. [13:50] <fawkes28> Dumbledore also didn't want them to ask him questions - he knows that they would have started putting the pieces together about his hand and how he was going to die [13:50] <Aislinn> yes, it had to be a gradual maturation, a coming to the truth himself [13:50] <Synesthesia> plus he did not want to... manipulate them too much... [13:50] <Aislinn> so it was truly his choice. [13:50] <JaneMarple9> and true, the book would be a lot shorter! [13:50] <Spectre> The Resurrection Stone in particular shouldn't have been given to Harry until he was ready to die by Voldemort's hands [13:50] <huebbe> could you have imagined if DD would have said "Hey Harry, you have to go die now"....it would not have been Harry's choice [13:50] <Pleshette> good point fawkes [13:50] <Synesthesia> and he wanted hermione to be there full of doubt [13:50] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [13:50] <bookworm1102> they were on i guess for a better word a quest and had to figure these things out on there own? [13:50] <FernDandylion> The ring was definitely gone after a certain point ... [13:50] <bemused> it wasn't as simple as just giving answers - they had to understand [13:51] <Aislinn> exactly bemused [13:51] <jaimedanser> bemused--EXACTLY [13:51] <huebbe> and that is the difference [13:51] <Synesthesia> and ron to go through what he went through to gain more confidence and security. he is always so insecure [13:51] <huebbe> opps [13:51] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:51] <Synesthesia> the journey shapes you better than having everything handed to you [13:51] <blue4t> If Harry had been given the stone with Dumbledore alive, things may not have played out the way they were supposed to. [13:51] <fawkes28> he does like them to find out things for themselves [13:51] <Pleshette> yes synesthesia [13:51] <kneazlegirl> I don't really see why he couldn't have told them about the Hallows earlier, though. [13:51] <Aislinn> it's % B in here, huebbe [13:51] <Aislinn> together [13:51] <ProngsPatronus> Did Dumbledore have the right to bequeath Gryffindor’s sword to Harry? [13:51] <huebbe> gotcha....fingers have a problem [13:51] <kneazlegirl> At least to warn them that Voldie might try to use one. [13:51] <Spectre> Probably no [13:51] <jaimedanser> Yes, he did!!!! [13:51] <Synesthesia> well, he was head griyffindor.... [13:51] <fawkes28> i think Dd does regret some things, kneazlegirl [13:51] <Synesthesia> and the headmaster. [13:51] <cloudpic> According to JKR, the goblins were mistaken [13:52] <Iheartprofessorsnape> That I don't know, but he did need to let them know that they needed it [13:52] <fawkes28> of course he did [13:52] <bemused> I don't think so - I think that was more of a hint - 'you will need the Sword' [13:52] <huebbe> yes [13:52] <Aislinn> it seems the sword does not belong to any single person [13:52] <Synesthesia> and it would have come to harry or any gryffindor if they had the hat [13:52] <cloudpic> and if it was Dumbledore's then of course he did. [13:52] <JaneMarple9> yes he did [13:52] <Pleshette> He absolutely did [13:52] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I'm still very confused as to who can own the sword [13:52] <jaimedanser> the sword belongs to Gryffindors, so he absolutely had that right [13:52] <Aislinn> I think it was a message, not a belief that the sword would actually be handed over to Harry [13:52] <huebbe> true Aislinn, [13:52] <MadameBurgess> i think that he had the right, but that the sword would still leave if needed by another true Gryffindore [13:52] <bookworm1102> yes i mean i guess he did but scrimgor did not have the right o keep it from harry [13:52] <fawkes28> the sword should belong to someone who has need of it - temporarily, at least [13:52] <jaimedanser> the goblins were wrong (right? Jo said this, I think) [13:52] <Aislinn> yes she did, jaime [13:52] <Spectre> Scrimgeour was right at that point - it belongs to all Gryffindors, not to certain people [13:52] <FernDandylion> Agrred Aislinn [13:52] <cloudpic> Yes, she did in the Bloomsbury chat, [13:52] <fawkes28> it is a powerful sword and should not just be meant to sit there and look pretty [13:52] <bemused> the sword seems to make up its own mind where it goes - when it is really needed [13:52] <JaneMarple9> if dumbledore put in his will harry is to have the sword - harry is getting the sword [13:52] <kneazlegirl> The sword goes to whatever true Gryffindor needs it-- so that's who should own it. [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know that Dd really did, but I don't think he expected the sword to be handed over to Harry, either. Putting it in the will was a way of underscoring that it was important and Harry would need it. [13:53] <blue4t> The sword doesn't belong to the Goblins. It belongs to every student in the house of Gryffindor. [13:53] <MadameBurgess> BUT, I wonder what woudl happen if two different true Gryffs needed the sword at the same time [13:53] <cloudpic> Should be available when needed [13:53] <cloudpic> and Dumbledore knew Harry would need it. [13:53] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic [13:53] <Spectre> Two different Gryffs grabbing one Sorting Hat? Funny smile [13:53] <Spectre> Was Scrimgeour himself in Gryffindor? biggrin [13:53] <Pleshette> perhaps the one most in need MB [13:53] <Synesthesia> it's a good way to get it into snape's hand. [13:53] <fawkes28> i do not think that Dd ever meant for Harry to keep it forever [13:53] <Synesthesia> naw... [13:53] <MadameBurgess> smile [13:53] <blue4t> I guess, Madame, that the person who's need was greater would get the sword. [13:53] <cloudpic> It belongs to a worthy Gryff. who needs it. [13:53] <Synesthesia> maybe ravenclaw [13:53] <bookworm1102> maybe he willed it to harry because he was a true gryffindor like he said in Chamber of secrets [13:53] <fawkes28> he just wanted him to have it for his quest [13:53] <ProngsPatronus> If Scrimgeour thought there was any chance the sword could be used by Harry to defeat Voldemort, why did he chose to withhold the sword? [13:53] <huebbe> I dont' think he got that part [13:54] <Aislinn> they needed to realize it was an important tool in the Horcrux destruction, and Dd was giving them a clue [13:54] <jaimedanser> Because Scrimgeour is an idiot. Sheesh [13:54] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I don't think anyone really thought Harry could defeat VOldemort [13:54] <Synesthesia> because he's a buracrat? [13:54] <fawkes28> exacty, huebbe [13:54] <FernDandylion> I don't think Scrimmy could get the sword [13:54] <blue4t> I don't think Scrimgeour knew any of that. [13:54] <Synesthesia> spelling [13:54] <cloudpic> I suspect Scrimgeour didn't trust Dumbledore or Harry and was feeling out of control? [13:54] <MadameBurgess> i don't think he believed that [13:54] <kneazlegirl> Because he didn't, he underestimated them all. [13:54] <Synesthesia> they have to make things as hard as possible [13:54] <fawkes28> he wasn't that smart [13:54] <bemused> I think Scrimgeour saw himself/ the Ministry as defeating Voldemort [13:54] <Synesthesia> they have to constantly be in control. [13:54] <bemused> not three teenagers [13:54] <jaimedanser> bemused---Nah, I don't think he did [13:54] *** Eleanora has joined #lounge [13:54] <cloudpic> How would he know anything? [13:54] <Pleshette> I'm not sure Scrim had the confidence in Harry that he'd really be able to defeat LV [13:54] <MrMcGonagall> Scrimmy wants to know what DD was up to. He doesn't trust Dd or Harry. [13:54] <huebbe> I think he saw it as an actual thing, a possesion...not a weapon [13:54] <bookworm1102> I dont think that he would have belived it [13:54] <Aislinn> I don't think Scrimgeour believed that Harry would be ready to defeat Voldy - still saw him as a child. [13:54] <ProngsPatronus> I think he wanted to bring Harry to heel [13:54] <Aislinn> and felt the need to control the situation. [13:54] <MadameBurgess> exactly, huebbe [13:54] <kneazlegirl> He used to be an Auror, and probably thought he understood how taking down dark wizards worked. [13:54] <jaimedanser> Aislinn--perhaps... [13:55] <MadameBurgess> I think he just saw it as an ornamental decoration [13:55] <cloudpic> Why should he trust those who are withholding information from him when he's fighting LV? (from his point of view) [13:55] <kneazlegirl> Of course, Voldemort wasn't your typical dark wizard. [13:55] *** Eleanora left #lounge [Leaving] [13:55] <fawkes28> i do not think that Scrim really thought Harry would be the one to defeat him or that he was even capable of doing so [13:55] <ProngsPatronus> he wanted Harry to ask him for it [13:55] <Aislinn> right, cloudpic [13:55] <huebbe> and didn't have the slightest comprehension what the sword does [13:55] <Pleshette> very true cloudpic [13:55] <Spectre> Heh... Scrimgeour should have kept the sword on his dying day - he could at least stab some of the enemies [13:55] <bookworm1102> if he did belive it he would probably give harry the sword to try to get somthing out of it himself [13:55] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I question to what degree Scrim really believes that Harry is the Chosen One. [13:55] <cloudpic> It was hard... for those involved to know what others should know in this fight (hard for MoM as well as the Order and Dumbledore) [13:55] <huebbe> truly, he didn't want to give the trio ANY of the items [13:55] <kneazlegirl> And if you think about it... would WE have believed Harry could defeat Voldie, if we didn't know that this was his series? [13:56] <bemused> I don't think he does, Mr M [13:56] <jaimedanser> MrM: yes...because all we knew is he wanted to tell people that [13:56] <Aislinn> he seemed more interested in Harry for the perception of it, than for an actual belief [13:56] <kneazlegirl> He really wasn't very prepared, spells-wise. [13:56] <jaimedanser> I don't think he believed it himself [13:56] <kneazlegirl> There's no way he actually believed it, he just wanted Harry as a mascot. [13:56] <ProngsPatronus> Did Harry choose the items to put into his Moleskin pouch for their sentimental value or for their usefulness? Can you think of anything else he should have put in there? [13:56] <Synesthesia> he's a politician lacking sutlety\ [13:56] <Spectre> Scrimgeour sees Harry as a symbol, not as someone who can actually do something [13:56] <huebbe> I have often wondered why he wasn't a Death Eater by his actions [13:56] <Synesthesia> i just cannot spell.... [13:56] <kneazlegirl> What did he put in it, again? [13:56] <blue4t> I think he chose the items for sentimental value. [13:56] <Synesthesia> that picture if he could have gotten it down... [13:56] <JaneMarple9> he used them for sentimental value [13:56] <huebbe> no worries synethesia! [13:57] <fawkes28> i think for a little bit of both [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> Things that have a sentimental value do have a real use at times. [13:57] <jaimedanser> I think both [13:57] <Aislinn> it semed to be more of a feeling, than things that were practical or utilitarian [13:57] <Synesthesia> his wand [13:57] <JaneMarple9> after alll....what use was a broken mirror??????? biggrin [13:57] <huebbe> protection [13:57] <bookworm1102> i think that it might be both he put the locket in there and he had important use for it [13:57] <jaimedanser> sentimental, but would also be useful, perhaps [13:57] <ProngsPatronus> food, balnkets, and money would have been nice [13:57] <Synesthesia> shame he couldn't have put his broom in it. he lost it. [13:57] <huebbe> keeping them from harm or being lost [13:57] <bemused> Sentimental value - but in his case, these are the things that really matter [13:57] <fawkes28> he always used his heart - which has gotten him far [13:57] <Spectre> That was Mokeskin, not Moleskin smile [13:57] <cloudpic> Yes, Spectre! [13:57] <Spectre> Moke is another word for donkey, if I'm not mistaken [13:57] <blue4t> he put things in there he wanted to keep close, even if he could no longer use them, like the wand. [13:57] <cloudpic> different and special in its own way [13:58] <MadameBurgess> Someone found Moke in FB [13:58] <kneazlegirl> A moke is a magical lizard thing. [13:58] <cloudpic> things he didn't want others to get into [13:58] <huebbe> or...perhaps HOPE that something could be reconciled and fixed and used later on [13:58] <JaneMarple9> it was moleskin in the british edition [13:58] <blue4t> oh, yeah, he desperately wanted his wand fixed. [13:58] <cloudpic> Really??? [13:58] <bemused> no - it's moke Jane [13:58] <jaimedanser> well, everything in there turned out to be useful, didn't it, in the end? [13:58] <cloudpic> oh. [13:58] <JaneMarple9> is it really? [13:58] <huebbe> yes [13:58] <cloudpic> Odd. [13:58] <JaneMarple9> nteresting! [13:58] <Spectre> Moleskin is the material of Hagrid's balaclava [13:59] <Spectre> *is the balaclava a coat?* smile [13:59] <huebbe> i have no earthly idea....i thought it was moleskin in the US edition too [13:59] <kneazlegirl> Something made of moles would be a pretty pathetic gift. [13:59] <jaimedanser> it's mokeskin [13:59] <huebbe> oh...nice misread on my part!:) [13:59] <bemused> balaclava's a hood, Spectre - covers the whole head except the eyes [13:59] <jaimedanser> I just went to check in my ever-useful copy of the book biggrin [13:59] <ProngsPatronus> How did this chapter alter your expectations for the rest of the Trio's journey? Did you have more or less confidence in their ability to succeed? What about you as a reader? Were you frustrated at all the new non-information, or excited about the three new mystery gifts? [14:00] <Pleshette> Definitely excited! [14:00] <blue4t> I wondered how the gifts would come in handy. [14:00] <Synesthesia> i thought the gifts were pretty cool [14:00] <kneazlegirl> I was puzzled, but excited. [14:00] <Synesthesia> they fit each character [14:00] <Aislinn> I knew we would learn they were significant eventually [14:00] <jaimedanser> I had more confidence!!! I knew that whatever Dumbledore had given them would come in handy and help them to succeed [14:00] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I thought they would succeed, but not all [14:00] <fawkes28> i loved how it set up their quest [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> I liked the mystery gifts! Plot twists coming up. LOL [14:00] <JaneMarple9> mokeskin - so it is! To think i'd been reading it wrong laugh [14:00] *** FernDandylion has quit [Ping timeout] [14:00] <jaimedanser> Jane--don't worry, I had, too [14:00] <huebbe> LOL [14:00] <bemused> Excited and curious... and I was sure they'd succeed in the end [14:00] <huebbe> me too JaneMarple9 [14:00] <MadameBurgess> oops, my times up...gotta go to school to get work done [14:00] <bookworm1102> i think in a way the brought a piece of Dumbledore with them with the gifts [14:00] <huebbe> bye madameBurgess [14:00] <fawkes28> i was expecting a Will but these items really threw me off so it was exciting to think how they were going to be of use to them [14:00] * Pleshette admits to thinking it was moleskin until the second readthrough [14:00] <JaneMarple9> well how original for dumbledore to leave hermione a book [14:00] <MadameBurgess> see you all around later tonight [14:01] <Synesthesia> plus they weren't... odvious except for the sword. Hermione likes to read, and is good at runes and needs a bit of faery tale to drown out some of her doubt [14:01] <Synesthesia> plus the putterouter thing is sooooooooooooo cool. [14:01] <Aislinn> it made me feel reassured that Dumbledore had not left Harry completely on his own [14:01] <JaneMarple9> after all, she didn't read very much! [14:01] *** MadameBurgess has quit [Bye] [14:01] <bemused> Agree, bookworm [14:01] <Synesthesia> Ron's sort of Dumbledorish in some ways.... or at least he admires him a lot [14:01] <jaimedanser> Deluminator is a much better name than Put-Outer, I think [14:01] <Aislinn> He had thought ahead to provide him with more needed information, even if in an oblique and frustrating way. [14:01] <JaneMarple9> and the put outter - we saw that in book 1 [14:01] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I will admit to expecting more of a message popping out of them as time went on [14:01] <blue4t> I agree, jaime [14:01] <Pleshette> I love that the Put outer finally had an actual name! [14:01] <huebbe> for me, it really put Hermione and Ron into the quest in a way perhaps they have never been before [14:01] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder why the Put-Outer is now suddenly a Deluminator. [14:01] <Synesthesia> and Dumbledore knew of Harry's quidditch skills, so to leave him a snith and hide the ring in it, really cool. [14:01] <JaneMarple9> and in book 5 with moody too [14:01] <bemused> yes - me too, Pleshette [14:01] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I realize what they learned from the book, but I still thought it would be more [14:02] <jaimedanser> MrM--I think that's its actual name [14:02] <JaneMarple9> just sounds more grown up? smile [14:02] <kneazlegirl> I had been expecting Dumbledore to give more obvious things, but that was before I knew that the Ministry would be inspecting everything. [14:02] <jaimedanser> just everyone else called it a Put-Outer [14:02] <huebbe> they have always been the sidekicks, now they were players...not just taking orders from Harry [14:02] <fawkes28> by this point i think we had all learned that Jo always seems to find ways to use items and get an entirely different use out of them than we originally anticipated [14:02] <MrMcGonagall> It was given a proper name in PS/SS [14:02] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Dumbledore gave them things they would need--and which spoke to the essence of their individual characters [14:02] <cloudpic> We're more grownup now, Mr. McG? or maybe Dumbledore felt that it sounded better in a will? [14:02] <bemused> was it, Mr M? [14:02] <JaneMarple9> i was highly disappointed in the snitch. I thought it was just a sentimental object [14:02] <blue4t> Didn't Dumbledore invent it? [14:02] <Aislinn> she must have decided that name did not fit the purpose to which Dd put it in this book, Mr M [14:02] <jaimedanser> Yes, the snitch confused me a lot [14:02] <huebbe> yeah, i am reading SS [14:03] <blue4t> He could change the name if he wants to (that sounds a little lame) [14:03] <bookworm1102> maybe it was one of those things that she didnt know she named mr mcg [14:03] <cloudpic> yes, he did, blue4 [14:03] <jaimedanser> No clue what that meant!!! [14:03] <huebbe> and it's the put-outter [14:03] <JaneMarple9> don't think we've heard the put outters proper name until book 7 [14:03] <jaimedanser> Course, then I start bawling when Harry says "I am about to die" *sob* [14:03] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think she decided that giving it a new name would hint that it has more capabilities than putting out light and returning them to their bulbs. [14:03] <Aislinn> exactly [14:03] <huebbe> too true [14:03] <Pleshette> I agree [14:03] <jaimedanser> probably [14:03] <Aislinn> deluminator is so close to illumination [14:03] <jaimedanser> I agree, as well [14:03] <Aislinn> and that is what Ron needed [14:03] <JaneMarple9> yeah its so much more than a put outter [14:03] <huebbe> yes, in many ways! [14:03] <cloudpic> But... how is deluminator more vague... still just un light? [14:04] <bookworm1102> plus in a way it brought ron closer to hermione [14:04] <MrMcGonagall> Ron's usually in need of illumination. Haha. [14:04] <bemused> yes - it's surely the same thing, but Latinised [14:04] <cloudpic> LOL... of course it served to put something back in? [14:04] <Aislinn> too true! [14:04] <fawkes28> lol Mr. M [14:04] <huebbe> LOL [14:04] <jaimedanser> well, luminate means more than just light up using like lamps [14:04] <JaneMarple9> smile Mr McG [14:04] <Aislinn> right, jaime [14:04] <Spectre> I liked the associations - snitch with Harry the Quidditch player, a technical gimmic with Ron, whose father and brothers are into technology, and book with Hermione smile [14:04] <Aislinn> shedding light on something can be done in many ways [14:04] <ProngsPatronus> OK, folks--on to Chapter Eight... [14:04] <jaimedanser> Spectre--oh, yeah [14:05] <cloudpic> Thye all seemed to suit, Spectre [14:05] <JaneMarple9> yay smile [14:05] <huebbe> ooooo the metaphorical implications Aislinn! [14:05] <ProngsPatronus> Did Fred’s comment about getting married send a chill down your spine? Did it remind you of another time (in another book) when a character’s future was talked about, only to have the character cruelly taken down? (Dragon's Den) [14:05] <Synesthesia> he needs to burn up his lack of confidence, ron does... [14:05] <jaimedanser> No, it didn't [14:05] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I didn't think that at all [14:05] <Synesthesia> it depresses me when storries do that... [14:05] <JaneMarple9> i kept returning to fabians watch [14:05] <bookworm1102> now that i think about it it reminded me of sirius death [14:05] <blue4t> Who was the other character? Was that Sirius? [14:05] <Aislinn> not at the time, but on the re-read, absolutely [14:05] <jaimedanser> Just when I went back to reread, I started crying when he said that [14:05] <bemused> At the time, no - it's the kind of thing people say at weddings [14:05] <Synesthesia> or Cedric's [14:05] <jaimedanser> *sigh* [14:05] <Spectre> I was spoiled and knew that Fred was going to die, so it was very sad [14:05] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I know I raised my hand while reading and said, "I'll marry you" [14:05] <cloudpic> You know, it never occurred to me... it was so typically Fred being a smart alek, Oh dear! [14:05] <Synesthesia> "That'll be something to tell your grandchildren. You beat harry potter!" [14:05] <huebbe> I didn't even pay atteniton to it the first time [14:05] <jaimedanser> IHPS--haha, me too biggrin [14:05] <Pleshette> Cedric I believe [14:05] <Aislinn> yes it was so like Cedric's, when his father talked about talking to his grandchildren [14:05] <blue4t> Oh, that, Cedric. [14:05] <cloudpic> awwww Iheartprofessorsnape! [14:06] <bookworm1102> youknow when sirius says that they will be a family when its all over then... [14:06] <JaneMarple9> it didn't give me goosebumps but it is just the sort of thing people say at weddings [14:06] <fawkes28> it is very sad when reading about this [14:06] <cloudpic> I'd forgotten that bit... oh, my. [14:06] <jaimedanser> Jane--exactly. but then the reread kills you [14:06] <huebbe> yes JaneMarple0 [14:06] <Iheartprofessorsnape> It wasn't even on my radar that one of the twins would die because I thought for sure she wouldn't leave just one alive [14:06] <blue4t> That, too, bookworm. Gosh, man, don't talk about the future in the wizarding world...you most likely will not have one then. [14:06] <bemused> It's sad now, but I didn't notice it first time round [14:06] <JaneMarple9> yeah very similar to mr diggory's comment in book 4 [14:06] <huebbe> yeah, I was concentrating on Harry too much [14:06] <Pleshette> same with me bemused [14:06] <bookworm1102> agreed blue [14:06] <Aislinn> oh, I was positive that one would die, Iheartprofessorsnape, and had been dreading it since HBP [14:06] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't notice it the first time around, either. [14:07] <bookworm1102> i just didnt think about it till it was too late [14:07] <JaneMarple9> i was more interested in "barny" smile [14:07] <Pleshette> I was in complete denial that Jo would allow one of the twins to die [14:07] <jaimedanser> Aislinn--actually, me too [14:07] <ProngsPatronus> Did Aunt Muriel remind you of any one else? What did you think of her? (Dragon's Den) [14:07] <JaneMarple9> i always had a feeling one twin would die [14:07] <jaimedanser> I thought one would die, but it still hit me harder than anything else [14:07] <blue4t> I didn't like Aunt Muriel. [14:07] <bemused> I didn't want to second-guess who was going to die [14:07] <huebbe> Aunt Marge [14:07] <bookworm1102> she bugged me [14:07] <Aislinn> it was just too poignant a loss to not make use of it, in the story of the trials of fighting evil. [14:07] <JaneMarple9> she reminded me of mrs longbottom senior [14:07] <jaimedanser> Urgh. Muriel was...just URGH [14:07] <ProngsPatronus> Trelawney [14:07] <bemused> i thought Aunt Muriel was poisonous [14:07] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Everyone has one of her in their family and I thought of mine [14:07] <huebbe> they both drove me nuts [14:07] <Pleshette> Aunt Marge for sure [14:07] <Synesthesia> marge [14:07] <fawkes28> yes, prongs [14:08] <JaneMarple9> but much nastier smile [14:08] <jaimedanser> Aunt Marge, yes [14:08] <Aislinn> I thought she was hysterical [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> She kind of reminded me of a lushy Madam Marchbanks. [14:08] <Pleshette> so many similarities [14:08] <Synesthesia> someone mean and prejudice and nasty. [14:08] <cloudpic> She seemed a bit too like that older lady Tom Riddle visited... the one with the Hufflepuff cup? [14:08] <bookworm1102> i guess every family has there own aunt marge smile [14:08] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I sort of liked her, we had been hearing about her off and on and I was happy to finally meet her [14:08] <JaneMarple9> hmmmm marge too in a way [14:08] <huebbe> yes bookworm [14:08] <bemused> Marge was a bit more butch, though [14:08] <jaimedanser> Yea, I was glad we finally met her after all that talk [14:08] <fawkes28> i was actually expecting her to go into one of trelawney's traces and make a prophecy [14:08] <huebbe> LOL [14:08] <JaneMarple9> oh thanks you cloud! Hepzibah Smith [14:08] <MrMcGonagall> Cross between Augusta Longbottom and Aunt Marge. [14:08] <cloudpic> Thank you, couldn't come up with the name, Jane! [14:08] <huebbe> Perfect!!!! [14:08] <jaimedanser> Gosh, i don't think she was like Neville's gran AT ALL [14:09] <huebbe> certainly the tenacity of Gran [14:09] <ProngsPatronus> I have to wonder if they are all of an age--schoolgirls at hogwarts together [14:09] <cloudpic> Oh... yes! Gran Longbottom! That same certainty. [14:09] <JaneMarple9> she reminded me of her too - she was fat and liked gossip etc [14:09] <Spectre> Muriel (Prewett?) was just plain nasty, Gran Longbottom wasn't [14:09] <blue4t> Not Aunt Marge. [14:09] <jaimedanser> spectre--exactly [14:09] <Pleshette> she was very critical like Mrs. Longbottom [14:09] <cloudpic> That's true. [14:09] <JaneMarple9> muriel was .... interesting smile [14:09] <Aislinn> I think Augusta was more Minerva's age. [14:09] <bookworm1102> i gonna laugh every time i read about nevilles granmother because of this book [14:09] <bemused> Muriel was about sniping at people's weaknesses - Marge was more 'smash 'em and bash 'em' [14:09] <Spectre> Sniping at people's weaknesses... Snape anyone? smile [14:09] <huebbe> I fell in love with Neville's Gran [14:10] <jaimedanser> Muriel rather made me laugh, though [14:10] <Aislinn> me too, jaime [14:10] <Pleshette> she got meaner the more she drank like Marge [14:10] <huebbe> Muriel, she was a no nonsense woman [14:10] <jaimedanser> I hated her, but she was pretty dang funny "I'm 107!!!" [14:10] <bemused> ooh - not me - made my flesh creep [14:10] <Aislinn> yes she did [14:10] <bookworm1102> at least she provided us with alot of info [14:10] <JaneMarple9> i didn't like muriel much - she believed too much in rita [14:10] <blue4t> I agree, Jane. [14:10] <MrMcGonagall> Muriel was a bitter old bat. [14:10] <cloudpic> Rita gave her amunition against others [14:10] <Aislinn> she was deliciously nasty [14:10] <fawkes28> she was the just the crazy old lady at the wedding that amused everyone [14:10] <Pleshette> the way she snapped her fingers for more champagne...just like Marge did to Harry [14:10] <cloudpic> Wonder why? [14:10] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. [14:10] <cloudpic> (bitter I mean?) [14:10] <huebbe> wouldn't you love to see a fight between Umbridge and Muriel? [14:10] <ProngsPatronus> Krum introduces the readers to the concept of the symbol worn by Mr. Lovegood as something connected with Grindelwald. What did you think of this connection? (Dragon's Den) [14:10] <JaneMarple9> yes phlesette exactly [14:11] <cloudpic> I guess you're right, fawkes [14:11] <JaneMarple9> touchs of aunt marge too [14:11] <jaimedanser> I thought it was strange [14:11] <bemused> Very reminiscent of the swastika [14:11] <Spectre> Some kind of Grindelwald's Dark Mark, that was my initial thought [14:11] <JaneMarple9> i was intrguied [14:11] <huebbe> bizarre.... [14:11] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Again, I didn't even think about it [14:11] <blue4t> I was afraid that the Lovegoods were on the dark side...OK, not Luna, but maybe Xeno. [14:11] <cloudpic> I loved that Krum's presence wasn't just to annoy Ron! I didn't want him only to be that. [14:11] <jaimedanser> I was like "NO!!! The Lovegoods can't be evil! Nonononono!!!" [14:11] <fawkes28> oh, it made me think that Lovegoood might be evil [14:11] <Aislinn> I was confused by that, as I really didn't think that Luna's father would be related to anything dark. [14:11] <JaneMarple9> i always wondered about grindlewald [14:11] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I wanted the story to pick up with the trio so badly I sped through these chapters the first time through [14:11] <Pleshette> I love the growth we see in Harry though...he's able to restain his anger with Muriel, unlike with Marge [14:11] <bookworm1102> i thought that ment luna s father was a bad guy for a moment i even thought for a split second that luna wasevil too [14:12] <Pleshette> oops, we're on to the next question...sorry [14:12] <cloudpic> I never thought it meant Xenophilius was evil... but wouldn't have been surprised had he picked up something dangersouls [14:12] <Spectre> I once thought that Luna could have some kind of "imprinted" loony "personality" and then, after some triggering, turn evil [14:12] <JaneMarple9> Mr Lovegood was a great character just like his daughter! [14:12] <Aislinn> yes, Pleshette, he was, and that was nice to see [14:12] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't know what it meant at the time, though obviously it was important. [14:12] <cloudpic> dangerous [14:12] <bemused> It was a hint that, like the swastika, it might be something that had two meanings, one benign, one evil [14:12] <fawkes28> i also liked this because i had wanted to learn more about Grindelwald so it seemed Jo was setting us up for that [14:12] <cloudpic> Love his name! [14:12] <cloudpic> Lover of the strange! [14:12] <Aislinn> good point, bemused. [14:12] <huebbe> I was in disbelief as well, there was no whay Lovegood would be bad, and then I thought........this has got to be something else they know NOTHING about or believe to be one thing when it is clearly something else [14:12] <jaimedanser> *plugs ears during the talk of the lovegood possibly being evil* [14:12] <JaneMarple9> it didn't mean, to me, that mr lovegood was evil - just "unique" [14:12] <Spectre> Xenophilios is also Zeus' title [14:12] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I didn't think he was evil, just that he was "different" [14:12] <ProngsPatronus> I just thought that it was another of those impossible things Xeno was so fond of [14:13] <fawkes28> that is interesting, spectre [14:13] <Pleshette> omgosh! me too cloudpic...i kept saying it over and over again to myself [14:13] <ProngsPatronus> of course he would see it differently [14:13] <JaneMarple9> what a mouthful - xenophilius! [14:13] <huebbe> it's like one of those things he saw in Diagon Alley and though it was cool [14:13] <cloudpic> So sweet to wear bright yellow for "luck" at a wedding... just like Luna, does what's "right" rather than what's expected [14:13] <bookworm1102> i just kept thinking that there was no way she could make them evil because why would she make a character we all love so much that evil [14:13] <JaneMarple9> a little like phileus nigelus [14:13] <MrMcGonagall> That the famous symbol we had all wondered about should make its appearance with Xeno Lovegood was priceless. [14:13] <bemused> yes, Mr M [14:13] <Aislinn> yes, that really piqued my interest Mr M [14:14] <JaneMarple9> yeah it's first appearence was perfect [14:14] <cloudpic> I rather more thought Krum had it wrong than Xenophilius. [14:14] <huebbe> yes, the one person you would expect the least [14:14] <Aislinn> especially when Krum recognized it [14:14] <huebbe> me too cloudpic [14:14] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I did not like Krum in this chapter and I wanted to see more of him throughout the book [14:14] <MrMcGonagall> Xeno deals in all sorts of half-truths. [14:14] <JaneMarple9> i could not wait for krum to appear [14:14] <cloudpic> Yes, he was back to simply grumping around... I wonder if JKR isn't too fond of "famous athletes" [14:14] <Aislinn> so it was perfect that he would be wearing one as well [14:15] <JaneMarple9> i wanted harry to realise the gregorvitch assosiation [14:15] <Spectre> I wonder what did Xeno actually tell Krum when he confronted him smile [14:15] <huebbe> really he had to be there [14:15] <bookworm1102> i thought it was funny that he kinda scared ron when he showed up and then scared harry when krum wasasking about ginny [14:15] <cloudpic> It was a wonderful connection, Jane! [14:15] <huebbe> he was the key to Grindewald [14:15] <cloudpic> quidditch to Krum to Gregorovich [14:15] <JaneMarple9> he was! [14:16] <ProngsPatronus> Harry thinks Voldemort is trying to find the wandmaker, Gregorovitch, in order to find out why Harry’s wand behaved as it did the last time they met. Why do you think Harry came to this conclusion and had no other possible explanations? (Dragon's Den) [14:16] <JaneMarple9> we only heard gergorvitch once i think, in book 4, but it stuck in my mind [14:16] <jaimedanser> because he didn't yet know about the Elder Wand? [14:16] <Aislinn> I think that it makes perfect sense that he would come to this conclusion [14:16] <Iheartprofessorsnape> It makes complete sense [14:16] <Spectre> He lacked information to come up with anything else [14:16] <cloudpic> He was so puzzled by his wands' behavior... and no one quite believed him. [14:16] <huebbe> he doesn't know about the DH yet [14:16] <bemused> Because that's the question that's plaguing Harry and no one around him takes it seriously [14:16] <bookworm1102> maybe he thought LV wanted to mske a new wand [14:16] <jaimedanser> and because he himself was hoping for an answer to what his wand did and why [14:16] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, exactly [14:16] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I think if Harry could have gone to him to ask he would have as well [14:16] <fawkes28> he was definitely using logic - as we all had thought too [14:16] <kneazlegirl> Harry never comes up with multiple explanations for things. [14:16] <huebbe> yes, he wants the answer more than anyone [14:16] <JaneMarple9> harry knows that hs wand acted stangely [14:17] <kneazlegirl> He usually just goes with his first impression or instinct. [14:17] *** Nimbus has joined #lounge [14:17] <MrMcGonagall> He has no idea about the existence of the Elder Wand, and he never payed attention in History of Magic, anyway. [14:17] <Spectre> He *could* have thought that Gregorovitch once made a wand for Grindelwald, but he didn't smile [14:17] <kneazlegirl> It's one of his weaknesses, I think. [14:17] <Aislinn> there was no reason to suspect that it would be for any other reason [14:17] <huebbe> LOL, too true Mr. Mc [14:17] <Aislinn> given the evidence he has at that point. [14:17] <JaneMarple9> ven though ron and hermione didn't believe him [14:17] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, aislinn [14:17] <fawkes28> i know - i was always so mad at him for that Mr. M [14:17] <bookworm1102> would he have reconized it in history of magic Mr. M [14:17] <ProngsPatronus> if it had been said in History of Magic, Hermione would have remembered it [14:17] <kneazlegirl> Yeah. [14:17] <JaneMarple9> nobody listens in history of magic smile [14:17] <huebbe> probably not....it's like the "name" problem he has [14:17] <kneazlegirl> Hermione does. >> [14:18] <Pleshette> haha true Prongs [14:18] <JaneMarple9> even hermione has a hard time! [14:18] <Aislinn> the Elder wand was not discussed, at least not by that name, in HoM, or Hermione would have know of it. [14:18] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [14:18] *** gapeach1004 has joined #lounge [14:18] <bookworm1102> i guess that was the whole point jane like see what happens when you dont listen [14:18] <huebbe> hi nimbus~! [14:18] <Synesthesia> hermione does not believe anything that is not in as non fiction book [14:18] <Nimbus> Hey Hogwartians! [14:18] <huebbe> nice to see you! [14:18] <Pleshette> hi nimbus! [14:18] <MrMcGonagall> It had other names as well, though, as well as the history of famous wizards who had been killed for it. [14:19] <jaimedanser> Hi Nimbus [14:19] <JaneMarple9> hogwartians smile thats a change from boothers biggrin [14:19] <huebbe> yeah, death stick was nice [14:19] <Pleshette> lol [14:19] <ProngsPatronus> Aunt Muriel and Doge certainly give us a lot to think about concerning Dumbledore and his family. What did you think of her faith in Rita’s writing? (Dragon's Den) [14:19] <MrMcGonagall> It's a bit to put together. I think Harry really reached a logical conclusion, albeit the wrong one [14:19] <jaimedanser> I don't think it would've been discussed in HoM--Binns didn't like myths [14:19] *** blue4t has quit [Ping timeout] [14:19] <JaneMarple9> disgusting! [14:19] *** gapeach1004 has quit [Bye] [14:19] <bemused> Spoke volumes about her character IMO [14:19] <Aislinn> I was more upset by Harry's lack of faith in Dumbledore at that point [14:19] <Pleshette> typical of many in the wizarding world [14:19] <huebbe> shows that she will believe anything without thinking first [14:19] <MrMcGonagall> Only an idiot would believe everything Rita has to say. [14:19] <Synesthesia> she would agree with rita [14:19] <bemused> yes, agree Aislinn [14:19] *** blue4t has joined #lounge [14:19] <jaimedanser> I hated it [14:20] *** Questauthor has quit [Bye] [14:20] <JaneMarple9> she really wanted to know all dumbledore's dirty secrets [14:20] <Aislinn> The fact that he was willing to consider Rita's thoughts as possible, given his personal experience with her, annoyed me. [14:20] <Spectre> Aunt Muriel is an opposite of Albus - she tends to see the worst in people [14:20] <blue4t> Annoyed me, too, Aislinn [14:20] <huebbe> proves she is a gossip queen [14:20] <jaimedanser> I hate Rita, and hence I immediately hate anyone who believes what she writes...well, not excatly, but you know... [14:20] <fawkes28> too true, spectre [14:20] <jaimedanser> *exactly [14:20] <JaneMarple9> me too jaime! [14:20] <bookworm1102> i guess that she was never really a supported DD there fore looking for thingd that was wrong with him [14:20] <Synesthesia> all rita does is take all the jjuicy stuff and present it in a way that sounds twisted [14:20] <fawkes28> yes, jaime [14:20] <MrMcGonagall> Muriel is like one of those dreadful people who scour the tabloids looking for gossip and delight in every salacious bit of it. [14:20] <JaneMarple9> i reckon muriel would be a good stand in for rita! [14:21] <ProngsPatronus> Harry has an instinct for what is true, though--and he knew that at least part of it was true [14:21] <huebbe> why is it that people only want to dig up the dirt on people once they die? [14:21] <Aislinn> yes she is, Mr M [14:21] <jaimedanser> Synesthesia--yes, there is some fact in Rita's writing [14:21] <Synesthesia> salcious is the best word [14:21] <jaimedanser> Just doesn't look like fact... [14:21] <huebbe> because they don't dare while they are alive? [14:21] <Spectre> Because the people can't say anything back [14:21] <bookworm1102> she is like aunt petuina with the gossip [14:21] <JaneMarple9> because the dead can't defend themselves [14:21] <Aislinn> there is often a grain of truth in the garbage, but that doesn't mean you should accept it at face value [14:21] <Synesthesia> see, harry doesn't know a lot about dumbledore, and he's having doubts and doesn't trust him as trust has to be built up all the time [14:21] <Synesthesia> so it's not so hard for him to be vulnerable to it [14:21] <jaimedanser> If Rita had writtent that while DD was alive....oh, the wrath of Dumbledore!!! [14:21] <bemused> Well, the problem with that kind of writing is that even the cacts are so twisted that they lost their value [14:21] <MrMcGonagall> So true, Aislinn [14:21] <Aislinn> and Harry should have known better, even if we can not expect Muriel to [14:21] <Spectre> It reminded me a bit of Freddie Mercury's story - nothing while he lived, all kinds of dirty things after he died [14:21] <JaneMarple9> hey thats good - aunt petunia connection with the gossip! [14:21] <bemused> *facts [14:21] <Pleshette> Rita sensationizes stories for profit and those like Muriel eat that stuff up [14:21] <Synesthesia> but marge, she' just wants to say, AHA! he really was bad, wasn't he... [14:22] <huebbe> yes, they all want to point the blame at DD [14:22] <Nimbus> I think Harry's deepest doubts came from giref [14:22] <huebbe> now that he's dead it's easy [14:22] <Nimbus> grief [14:22] <Synesthesia> som epeople like it when folks who seem good show a dark side to them [14:22] <Pleshette> exactly huebbe [14:22] <bookworm1102> they were all looking for someone to blame besides harry [14:22] <JaneMarple9> they all want to paint dumbledore in a bad light [14:22] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [14:22] <Synesthesia> it makes them feel better about themselves, "he wasn't so pure after all" [14:22] <bookworm1102> they knew harrys story but not DD [14:22] <huebbe> exactly [14:22] <Nimbus> well said, Syn [14:22] <jaimedanser> yea, exactly [14:23] <Pleshette> he can't defend hisreputation because he's no longer with us [14:23] <huebbe> yes, like many unfortuately [14:23] <Synesthesia> thanks. ecen though he was young at the time, and it's so easy to lose your path when you are young and ambitious [14:23] <bookworm1102> but it also just showed that DD was not a perfect wizard [14:23] <blue4t> exactly, bookworm [14:23] <huebbe> he was human after all [14:23] <Nimbus> right, DD was human too [14:23] <ProngsPatronus> What do you think Harry was most upset about: that Dumbledore’s sister was a Squib; that Ariana might have been hidden in the cellar; that Albus and his brother fought at their sister’s funeral; that Dumbledore's family, Harry's family and Bathilda Bagshot had all come from the same place; that Krum wanted to hit on Ginny? (Dragon's Den) [14:24] <JaneMarple9> all of the dumbledore story [14:24] <jaimedanser> Everything??? laugh [14:24] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Goddric's hollow [14:24] <Pleshette> Godric's Hollow [14:24] <Nimbus> that DD hadn't told him was the hardest part [14:24] <Aislinn> I think he was most upset that Dumbledore had not been more open with him, that he suddenly felt that he did not know the man at all. [14:24] <jaimedanser> No, I think he was most angry that he had never asked Dumbledore anything important [14:24] <huebbe> that Harry himself didn't know if it was true, and that DD had never told Harry any of it [14:24] <blue4t> He was upset about the things Dumbledore did not tell him, part of it being that Dumbledore lived in Godric's Hollow. [14:24] <Iheartprofessorsnape> That made him stop in his tracks and it was all he cold think of [14:24] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore really should had told harry that he lived in godric's hollow [14:24] <Synesthesia> all of that stuff is enough to drive a boy crazy [14:24] <bemused> He seemed most upset by the idea that DD had been party to hiding his sister and by the connection to Goric's Hollow [14:24] <cloudpic> Goodness! I think it really bothered him that he didn't know the truth... he kept being unhappy that he had to "choose" what to believe [14:24] <MrMcGonagall> honestly, I would have to say godric's Hollow. The fact that DD would have omitted such an important fact in their relationship together. [14:24] <fawkes28> i think it really bothered him that Ariana was hidden in the cellar - it reminded him too much of his life at Privet Drive [14:24] <Pleshette> here was something they had in common and DD never once mentioned that connection [14:24] <cloudpic> rather than Know what was true. [14:24] <Synesthesia> confused about his mission, about his sacrifices, about dumbledore, and what sort of person he really was... [14:24] <bookworm1102> i think that he was upset that DD was not the guy he thought he was since harry completly trusted him [14:24] <huebbe> just the fact that DD omitted his story to Harry [14:24] <jaimedanser> Godric's Hollow was definitely something that made him very angry [14:24] <kneazlegirl> I don't see why he cared so much about the Godric's Hollow thing. [14:25] <Aislinn> yes, huebbe [14:25] <JaneMarple9> and krum was pretty stupid hitting on ginny laugh far too young for him! [14:25] <cloudpic> That frustration with belief and truth is tough [14:25] <MrMcGonagall> bottom line, I think he was bothered by the fact that there were so many things that DD had hidden from him or never told him. [14:25] <kneazlegirl> I think he was overreacting a lot. [14:25] <Aislinn> he didn't know what to believe, because he hadn't learned any of it from Dd [14:25] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry was upset that he had to learn about something like that from Rita Skeeter, instead of from DD himself [14:25] <jaimedanser> Exactly, MrM [14:25] <fawkes28> exactrly, Mr. M [14:25] <kneazlegirl> Agreed. [14:25] <JaneMarple9> he realised that he did not know dumbledore [14:25] <bookworm1102> but i think Krum fraked him out too [14:25] <Pleshette> yes Prongs [14:25] <fawkes28> but i also think that Harry was annoyed with himself for not asking more questions [14:25] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [14:25] <bemused> but he should have put more reliance on what he knew of DD [14:25] <huebbe> I thought the Krum part was there, just to tell us readers that Harry still cared for Ginny [14:26] <JaneMarple9> he did not want to believe muriel, but he felt there was a few grains of truth [14:26] <Pleshette> and that's the struggle he continues to have [14:26] <blue4t> And that Krum is just Krum. [14:26] <huebbe> it was a reiteration for what we already knew [14:26] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, he seemed much to ready to doubt Dumbledore [14:26] <MrMcGonagall> I agree bemused. Hermione was right; he should have kept his trust in Dd. [14:26] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, in some ways, harry really is simple at heart [14:26] <huebbe> and that he is protective of her, as he should be with the woman he loves [14:26] <Pleshette> Harry was able to control the Krum situation but not his doubts about DD [14:26] <jaimedanser> yep biggrin [14:26] <bookworm1102> he might be mad at himself for not asking DD more about his past but i guess that DD would just give him vauge answers anyway [14:26] <Synesthesia> true... it's hard to trust though [14:27] <ProngsPatronus> all the obfuscations, lies, all that--is just not in Harry's nature [14:27] <cloudpic> It's rather like his experience learning that James was not perfect either. [14:27] <blue4t> I wonder if Dumbledore thought there'd be more time and that eventually he would tell Harry of his past? [14:27] <huebbe> DD did not confide in Harry, and that is what upsets him [14:27] <Pleshette> yes cloudpic, good point [14:27] <Aislinn> I think he was too ashamed of his past to tell Harry, blue [14:27] <Nimbus> yes Cloud! a good parallel! [14:27] <cloudpic> You know... I think Harry's wrong to have expected [14:27] <Puzzlepiece> blue - he new there wouldnt be more time..he knew he was dead by the end of the yar [14:27] <Puzzlepiece> *year [14:27] <cloudpic> Dumbledore to tell him all. [14:27] <huebbe> Harry was under the impression that he knew what was important to DD [14:27] <Aislinn> I agree cloudpic [14:28] <bemused> So do I, cloudpic [14:28] <blue4t> No, no, before Harry's sixth year he might've thought later on in Harry's life he may tell him, but then year 6 happened and it wasn't important to Dumbledore. [14:28] <jaimedanser> blue--yes, perhaps... [14:28] <blue4t> Ah, well...doesn't really matter. [14:28] <cloudpic> He was young and unready to know everything. And, knowing Dumbledore's unpleasant past wouldn't have done more than could things. [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> What did you think of Xenophilius’ name? (Rooftop Garden). [14:28] <Puzzlepiece> DD learned secrets and lies at his mother's knee. I don't think he was ever going to tell Harry the whole truth [14:28] <Pleshette> I've got to run...great chat everyone! [14:28] <cloudpic> LOL *cloud [14:28] <JaneMarple9> great! [14:28] <huebbe> a mouthfull that I can't spell [14:28] <MrMcGonagall> Perfect name for him! [14:28] <Synesthesia> it's a cool name [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> bye, pleshette [14:28] <cloudpic> bye, Pleshette [14:29] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:29] <Synesthesia> he believes in strange things [14:29] <kneazlegirl> It fit his character perfectly. [14:29] <bookworm1102> it fits with the lovegood family personality [14:29] <huebbe> bye pleshette [14:29] <bemused> said so much about him [14:29] <Aislinn> it was so perfect [14:29] <JaneMarple9> it was so fitting fot him [14:29] <cloudpic> Was a delight! [14:29] <blue4t> I love all the cool names in this book. [14:29] <Nimbus> I loved it!! The exact converse of wha't going on in the WWW between the species! [14:29] <Puzzlepiece> I love it [14:29] <jaimedanser> I loved it!!! Perfect name for a strange character biggrin [14:29] <MrMcGonagall> Love of the strange and foreign. [14:29] <JaneMarple9> such a mouthful! biggrin [14:29] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:29] <ProngsPatronus> I thought it a magnificent play on words, too [14:29] <bookworm1102> i had to get someone to pronounce it for me because i couldnt [14:29] <huebbe> I thought it was comical [14:29] <huebbe> lol bookworm [14:29] <Nimbus> but his nickname is awfully close to Xena *snort*! [14:29] <ProngsPatronus> Xeno, in Greek, has more than one meaning [14:30] <JaneMarple9> bet you'd get loads of points in it in Scrabble! laugh [14:30] <bookworm1102> lol [14:30] <jaimedanser> haha [14:30] <ProngsPatronus> it can mean either strange®, or enemy [14:30] <Aislinn> so, lover of one's enemy? [14:30] <Nimbus> really PP? Sooo intersting! [14:30] <cloudpic> once those two concepts weren't too different [14:31] <Puzzlepiece> true, cloud [14:31] <bemused> also foreign(er) [14:31] <bookworm1102> well that machs when every one thought he was a little bit evil [14:31] <ProngsPatronus> yes, bemused [14:31] <cloudpic> We are always quick to suspect those who are different of being bad in some way [14:31] <cloudpic> alas. [14:31] <cloudpic> Unless we are "lovegoods" [14:31] <Iheartprofessorsnape> yes cloudpic we are [14:31] <Puzzlepiece> which is why, DD explains, we are afraid of death [14:32] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, and I love that Jo tries to point out the error of that. [14:32] <Nimbus> yes bemused I only knew abour foreigner or "different than oneself" [14:32] <bemused> whereas Xeno is open to anything/ anyone strange - the stranger the better! [14:32] <cloudpic> Oh, wonderful point Puzzlepiece [14:32] <jaimedanser> hmm...well, I'm pretty much Luna's clone. So ain't a problem for me [14:32] <Spectre> Xenophilios, as it was mentioned, is a title of Zeus, the greek god smile [14:32] <cloudpic> smile jaime [14:32] <jaimedanser> yes, which I thought was pretty cool biggrin [14:32] <Synesthesia> i did not know that... [14:32] <Aislinn> that is interesting [14:33] <ProngsPatronus> lover of the strange... [14:33] <ProngsPatronus> lover of the good [14:33] <huebbe> a strong name for a sketchy character that no takes seriously [14:33] <huebbe> ahh the irony [14:33] <Nimbus> something new, Spectre..thanks [14:33] <huebbe> no one takes seriously [14:33] <Nimbus> well said, huebbe [14:33] * huebbe says sorry [14:33] <Spectre> A quote from the article where I learned this: "There's the old saying that "The Greeks have a word for it". One of those words is xenophilia, the love of the visitor. Even Zeus took this term as a special title, Zeus Xenophilios, Zeus who loves (and protects) those who wander within Greece" [14:33] <jaimedanser> wow. That's pretty amazing [14:34] <huebbe> Rowling likes greek mythology...look at Minerva [14:34] <Puzzlepiece> thats interesting [14:34] <ProngsPatronus> Why was it so easy for Luna to see through Harry’s polyjuice-induced disguise? (Rooftop Garden) [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Xeno Lovegood is the kind who would welcome Visitors - the outer space kind. LOL [14:34] <Nimbus> lol [14:34] <bemused> gifted by the Gernumblies? [14:34] <JaneMarple9> luna is "unique" [14:34] <jaimedanser> Because she's Luna. I always though she might have some special powers [14:34] <Puzzlepiece> hehe [14:34] <fawkes28> she sees with her emotions rather than her eyes [14:34] <huebbe> hmmmm, good question [14:34] <cloudpic> That quite amazed me! She said she recognized his facial expression! [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> Luna does seem to be able to see beyond the surface of many things. [14:34] <jaimedanser> perhaps those amazing eyes of hers? [14:34] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, fawkes. [14:34] <Nimbus> well said, fawkes! [14:34] <bookworm1102> becase luna sees things outside the box [14:34] <Puzzlepiece> Luna can see the truth in so many things. why not the polyjuice? [14:34] <cloudpic> I bet that's literally true! [14:34] <Synesthesia> that's just how she thinks [14:34] <huebbe> luna is so down to earth she sees past all pretensed [14:35] <JaneMarple9> she never stp[s surprisimng us! [14:35] <bemused> (I don't really think that *sigh* I just like saying 'gifted by teh Gernumblies...) [14:35] <Spectre> I think it was in a way foreshadowed in GoF, when Impostor Moody had the same "tongue move" as Barty Crouch Jr [14:35] <Aislinn> I just loved that she could see Harry here [14:35] <jaimedanser> Or perhaps Harry really does constantly have the same facial expression... [14:35] <Synesthesia> she's good at seeing the truth of things even though she seems insane [14:35] <cloudpic> She would notice the way someone might hold their mouth or squint their eyes [14:35] <JaneMarple9> surprising* [14:35] <ProngsPatronus> lol--I have this little theory that Luna is slightly mypoic [14:35] <cloudpic> Loved it! [14:35] <blue4t> Luna is unique. She looks at people differently. She looked at Harry the same way she looked at Barny and knew they were the same. [14:35] <ProngsPatronus> when one is myopic, patterns become much more significant [14:35] <Aislinn> she sees the person within, which is so beautiful. [14:35] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Luna doesn't look at things differently, she sees things for what they truly are [14:35] <Spectre> Polyjuice doesn't change the... um, how's it called... "muscular memory" smile [14:35] <bookworm1102> wouldnt be funny if she turned out to be a Seer can anybody else see it [14:35] <Puzzlepiece> Prongs, I love that laugh [14:35] <fawkes28> yes, she does, blue [14:35] <huebbe> yes Aislinn [14:36] <cloudpic> Exactly, Spectre! [14:36] <huebbe> just like her picture in her room....lovely [14:36] <Nimbus> awww--the painting--Sniff* [14:36] <Aislinn> yes it was [14:36] <huebbe> I just loved that part [14:36] <bemused> oh -her bedroom ceiling was wonderful - and I love that she's an artist too [14:36] <Puzzlepiece> that painting was sooo sad. it was probably the most heart wrenching bit of DH for me [14:36] <Nimbus> yes bemused--so much depth to who she is [14:37] <huebbe> she is so...so...so....real [14:37] <huebbe> I wish I had her as a friend [14:37] <Spectre> I actually thing that Luna is the best-written character in the entire book [14:37] <Synesthesia> those paintings were sweet [14:37] <Puzzlepiece> agreed, Spectre [14:37] <cloudpic> Luna went from someone who seemed to make the others uncomfortable with her truthspeaking [14:37] <Synesthesia> i think she's cool, she would make an awesome friend and she's so honest, sort of like people with asperger's [14:37] <bookworm1102> maybe because she belives in odd things is the reason she can see through i guess false things like the polyjuice potion [14:37] <jaimedanser> well, huebbe, I'm a lot like Luna and I'll be your friend if you don't mind how strange I am [14:37] <Nimbus> I think Jo affrims self-esteem so strongly though this wonderful character [14:38] <jaimedanser> biggrin [14:38] <cloudpic> to being the one who most clearly sees the truth... which they then found welcome [14:38] * huebbe welcomes jaimedanser with open arms [14:38] <Spectre> My full nickname is Loony Spectre... so I'm with you Luna fans biggrin [14:38] * Spectre fangirls Luna [14:38] <Synesthesia> i'm kind o flike luna [14:38] <Nimbus> biggrin [14:38] <Synesthesia> i always say weird things thast make peopel go ..... [14:38] <JaneMarple9> luna's amazing! [14:38] <bookworm1102> she sees the truth in things even if other people dont belive in them [14:38] <huebbe> you can come too synesthesia! [14:38] <Puzzlepiece> I think that one of the reasons she was so good in the film was that she was so well written to begin with [14:39] <Nimbus> fair point, Puzzle [14:39] <ProngsPatronus> As to Ron’s comment about Hermione looking great—“Always the tone of surprise.” What did you think? (Rooftop Garden) [14:39] <bemused> I love the way she was brought in as the odd kid nobody rates, and she turns out to have such amazing qualities [14:39] <cloudpic> and she's quite dear. No one else is quite so free to be truly whatever they wish to be. [14:39] <huebbe> I laughed [14:39] <JaneMarple9> just ron [14:39] <cloudpic> Laughed until I cried! [14:39] <jaimedanser> Oh, I loved that line!!! So beautiful!!! [14:39] <MrMcGonagall> nice comeback for Hermione. [14:39] <Puzzlepiece> She carries her own self with her. It doesnt matter to her if she doesnt fit in. She doesnt change for people, no matter what [14:39] <Iheartprofessorsnape> That book Ron got [14:39] <cloudpic> Turned it back on him! [14:39] <blue4t> Oh, she's just saying that because Ron said that to her earlier. I kind of imagined she said that with a wink or something. [14:39] *** MrMcGonagall has quit [Bye] [14:39] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [14:39] <JaneMarple9> very hermione-ish [14:39] <bemused> I loved the way that line was turned round on iteself - and on Ron [14:40] <Nimbus> I laugh every time I see it as a subtitle to one of our threads--quintessential Ron adn Hermione! biggrin [14:40] <cloudpic> And it's also a bit true... both of them are surprised to appreciate those characteristics in one another [14:40] <Spectre> Hermione knows how to hit back [14:40] <Aislinn> yes, I did too bemused [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think he stung her a bit with that line--and she had to get her own back [14:40] <bookworm1102> its just ron being the ron we all know and love [14:40] <huebbe> it was like "hey...you have been looking at me for 6 books, and you just noticed?" smile [14:40] <cloudpic> slower to discover... Ron's intellect and Hermione's attractiveness. [14:40] <Puzzlepiece> they keep breaking each others expectations [14:40] <huebbe> ugh....boys [14:40] <jaimedanser> haha, huebbe biggrin [14:40] <Spectre> I think she could tell even Voldemort something that would take him aback biggrin [14:40] <Synesthesia> *Thinks of luna and herminone and their parells* [14:40] <bookworm1102> its like he just relized his feelings for her smile [14:40] <cloudpic> Interesting, Synesthesia! [14:41] * cloudpic must give that more thought. [14:41] <huebbe> good point synesthesia [14:41] <cloudpic> He's practicing his complimenting from that book! [14:41] <Nimbus> *pssstt-but son't tell Hermione, folks* [14:41] <JaneMarple9> biggrin can just imagine the conversation with voldie! [14:41] <Nimbus> ;D [14:41] <ProngsPatronus> Notice Hermione had the beaded (and loaded) bag with her at the wedding. Do you think she thought something would happen at the wedding or was she just being cautious? (Rooftop Garden) [14:41] <JaneMarple9> definately [14:41] <blue4t> Just being cautious. [14:41] <jaimedanser> yes, I think, like many of us, she expected something at the wedding [14:41] <Puzzlepiece> she was being cautious. Thats Hermione- always prepared [14:41] <huebbe> cautious really [14:41] <Spectre> She wanted to be ready for everything, "just in case" [14:41] <bemused> she knew something could happen at any time [14:41] <MrMcGonagall> I think she's probably been carrying it around ever since she got it packed. [14:41] <JaneMarple9> she was ready for action [14:41] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I think she had it with her where ever she went [14:41] <Synesthesia> she's Hermione [14:41] <Nimbus> I think H was the most prepared mentally of the threee [14:41] <kneazlegirl> Typical Hermione. [14:42] <huebbe> yes puzzle, always prepared [14:42] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione is always prepared. [14:42] <fawkes28> I think she was using her instincts [14:42] <blue4t> She's Hermione. Oh, Puzzle, I was just about to say that. Always prepared. [14:42] <Synesthesia> she's always prepared, always thinking ahead. [14:42] <bookworm1102> i think that she had a feeling something was going to happen but then again Hermione is always prepared for anything [14:42] <JaneMarple9> i think she had expected it before [14:42] <Puzzlepiece> a large gathering of people was bound to attract attention and a good guess for a disturbance. [14:42] <cloudpic> And... the wedding would seem a most dangerous time, so many people coming in [14:42] <fawkes28> i do think that perhaps she realized with all those people that there could be trouble [14:42] <blue4t> She probably carried that bag with her everywhere--even the bathroom, just in case. [14:42] <huebbe> yes, it was sort of a recipie for trouble [14:42] <Aislinn> yes, I think Hermione recognized the risk of the gathering [14:42] <Nimbus> *snort*! Blue [14:42] <cloudpic> So many readers expected trouble (from posts I've encountered) [14:42] <ProngsPatronus> Hermione is such a girl scout [14:42] <huebbe> LOL [14:42] <Synesthesia> (it's interesting how both luna and her are so... confident in a way... and yet Hermione = the real world, and luna the world of dreams, i love how these characters are shaped) hermione would have been prepared on an ordinary day [14:42] <bookworm1102> i would be suprided if she carried it with her at all time before we even knew about the bag [14:42] <cloudpic> and thank goodness for it. [14:42] <jaimedanser> *snorts and almost sprays water on her laptop* Thanks, blue biggrin [14:43] <Spectre> This Extension Charm seems to nullify weight also... [14:43] <Aislinn> I was just going to type that, Prongs! [14:43] <Puzzlepiece> a lot of us predicted trouble at the wedding through fan fics and other stuff, if we suspected, why not her? [14:43] <blue4t> no problem [14:43] *** pthree has quit [Bye] [14:43] <bemused> me too, Aisliin - cept I would have said gitl guide! [14:43] <Spectre> thought the decreased weight doesn't correspond with the "thud" [14:43] <Aislinn> lol [14:43] <bookworm1102> she is just too smart for her own good smile [14:43] <Iheartprofessorsnape> we know she didn't have it on her all the time because after harry opened his gifts she said she had to go pack them [14:43] <JaneMarple9> hermione is always organised! [14:43] <Nimbus> goos magical point, spectre [14:43] <Synesthesia> weddings are just too perfect to interrupt with doom and danger [14:43] <blue4t> That's true, Puzzle. [14:43] <jaimedanser> good point, IHPS [14:43] <Synesthesia> all those people in the same place, the screaming... [14:44] <Synesthesia> the running around in fear. [14:44] <huebbe> I love that she thought of everything includidng a tent [14:44] <Aislinn> she did think of it all. [14:44] <blue4t> No food. [14:44] <jaimedanser> I loved how Hermione was yelling for Ron, almost crying [14:44] <huebbe> but no food! [14:44] <jaimedanser> so sweet [14:44] <kneazlegirl> It's like she was expecting the Ministry to fall. [14:44] <MrMcGonagall> I loved the way the bag landed with a heavy thud. LOL [14:44] <bookworm1102> in a way it was an ideal situation for LV to phsycally make his return [14:44] <Aislinn> The boys would not have lasted for 3 days without her. [14:44] <Nimbus> me, too huebbe (even if it did smell of cats! [14:44] <bemused> and it all fitted in - the perfect handbag [14:44] <blue4t> I loved that, too, Mr. M [14:44] <huebbe> I was just going to say that!!! [14:44] <Puzzlepiece> its part of Hermione to save the day in that manner. how many times "that was a close one, Harry: [14:44] <blue4t> I loved, that, too jaime. [14:44] <jaimedanser> Aislinn--no, they wouldn't have [14:44] <Iheartprofessorsnape> no aslinn they wouldn't have [14:45] <JaneMarple9> i looooooooovvvvvvvvveeeeedd hermiones bag [14:45] <huebbe> I want one [14:45] <Aislinn> I want one just like it smile [14:45] <blue4t> Me, too [14:45] <bemused> oh, don't we all! [14:45] <jaimedanser> I want it, too!!! [14:45] <Puzzlepiece> that would really help my back during school :p [14:45] <Synesthesia> me too [14:45] <Synesthesia> i could keep all of my books in it and all of my cds [14:45] <JaneMarple9> i've made a mini one for myself! [14:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [14:45] <jaimedanser> yep, Puzzle smile [14:45] <huebbe> with kids? are you kidding..... [14:45] <Synesthesia> *imagines taking every cd i own to work* [14:45] *** fawksfan has joined #lounge [14:45] <bookworm1102> i like how she was able to fit a painting into the bag smile [14:45] *** princess has joined #lounge [14:46] <jaimedanser> bookworm--yea, that was pretty great [14:46] <huebbe> yes...that was beautiful [14:46] <Nimbus> and that she thought of it, Book! [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> The person presiding at the wedding declared Fleur and Bill “bonded for life.” Do wizards have divorce? (Rooftop Garden) [14:46] <Puzzlepiece> the painting was the best part. a large canvass? Really hit home with the extraordinary magic it was [14:46] <blue4t> Oh, yes, Nimbus [14:46] <Synesthesia> i imagine so [14:46] <kneazlegirl> I'm sure they do. [14:46] <Synesthesia> you can't have marriage without divorce [14:46] <huebbe> hmmmm, I should think so, look at Snape's parents [14:46] <Puzzlepiece> of course they do [14:46] <jaimedanser> I'm sure they do [14:46] <cloudpic> We've not heard of any though. [14:46] <JaneMarple9> well lupin and tonks seemed to be going that way [14:46] <Puzzlepiece> the idea of divorce is as old as that of marriage [14:46] <jaimedanser> Tom and Merope... [14:46] <huebbe> or Hagrid's parents [14:46] <Synesthesia> but the idea of being bonded for life to someone cool is sooooooooo romantic [14:46] <Aislinn> they probably do [14:46] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I picture a spell of some sort coming on them once they say that and they aren't able to divorce [14:46] <cloudpic> desertion isn't divorce exactly [14:46] <blue4t> The people we hear of leaving the other are not wizard and witches...I mean one is a muggle. [14:46] <Spectre> Tom and Merope didn't have a *wizarding* wedding [14:47] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know that they really do. I'm sure they may separate, but this seems ot be a magical bond that can't be severed. [14:47] <JaneMarple9> unless they just cast a spell, and they're "un-married" [14:47] <bookworm1102> the fact that they said bonded for life makes me think that they cant get divorced [14:47] <Synesthesia> the unbreakable vow comes to mmind [14:47] <Iheartprofessorsnape> With lupin and tonks, the D word is never brought up [14:47] <huebbe> so what are you disbonded? smile [14:47] <Nimbus> I've been wondering about this guy--is there some kind of magical bond that he relays to the couple? [14:47] <bemused> 'bonded for life' does sound rather final [14:47] <jaimedanser> Syn--oh, how horrible! "i want a divorce!" and then they die!!! EEK [14:47] <blue4t> ew [14:47] <Puzzlepiece> or is it something rather like an unbreakable vow? It seems phrased rather like on [14:47] <JaneMarple9> like the unbreakable vow [14:47] <bookworm1102> what a way to go [14:47] <Aislinn> the unbreakable vow is something evil [14:47] <cloudpic> Perhaps its an announcement of their mutual bonding rather than a pronouncement of an external effect? [14:47] <blue4t> Maybe it is an unbreakable vow...interesting. [14:48] <Aislinn> this type of bonding is much more pure [14:48] <Spectre> Kendra never tried to marry again after Percival's incarceration... so maybe it's really for life [14:48] <huebbe> bonded seems more serious than a "promise" [14:48] <Aislinn> a sacred vow [14:48] <huebbe> yes [14:48] <Synesthesia> perhaps they just say that, other wise folks would have to think about marriage very hard [14:48] <cloudpic> Wedding vows are more serious than promise, no? [14:48] <jaimedanser> perhaps, but I don't think they'd die if they wanted a divorce [14:48] <jaimedanser> to much like Dark Magic [14:48] <Synesthesia> you could not just casual marry a person if that was the case. [14:48] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [14:48] <huebbe> I remember...do you? "yeah"....do you? "yeah"....ok [14:48] <huebbe> smile [14:48] <bookworm1102> to me the whole bonded thing ment that even if they are apart they are still connected together no matter what [14:49] <bemused> well, marriages isn't s'posed to be casual even for Muggles [14:49] <Synesthesia> so romantic... [14:49] <Synesthesia> bonded and connected *sigh* [14:49] <huebbe> hehehehehe I only joke [14:49] <bemused> that makes sense, bookworm [14:49] <jaimedanser> bemused--no [14:49] <jaimedanser> but like us muggles listen... [14:49] <cloudpic> Agreed, bemused. And I doubt that Lupin/Tonks would have been divorce... it was his fear for the future troubling them [14:49] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps it was an older usage [14:49] *** fawksfan has quit [Bye] [14:49] *** fawksfan has joined #lounge [14:49] <jaimedanser> rolleyes [14:49] <Puzzlepiece> I think it rather shows how marriage used to be viewed - a very final and connected thing [14:49] <Spectre> Who casts the marriage spell? [14:49] <ProngsPatronus> wedding language is more formal/antique than the common parlance [14:50] <jaimedanser> exactly, Puzzle biggrin [14:50] <Puzzlepiece> since wizards are portrayed as more medieval [14:50] <MrMcGonagall> Or perhaps what marriage is truly meant to be, puzzle? [14:50] <Nimbus> Tufty, spectre? [14:50] <bookworm1102> maybe it was jos veiew of marrage [14:50] *** fawksfan has quit [Bye] [14:50] <huebbe> to be bonded is really the heart of a marrage...you form a "bond" a unity to two families and two souls [14:50] <leakylurker> Jo is on her second marriage [14:50] <bemused> the little man with the fluffy hair, spectre [14:50] <princess> But wasnt Jo dicorced oncesmile [14:50] <leakylurker> yes princess [14:50] <Spectre> I mean, in the other wizarding weddings. Especially if the couples, hm, elope - like Arthur and Molly or Lupin and Tonks [14:50] <jaimedanser> yes, princess, she was [14:50] <bookworm1102> well i didnt know that when i said it smile [14:51] <Synesthesia> that is what iwas thinking [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> Get your alchemy hats out! What did you make of the purple and gold color motif for Harry’s birthday and for the wedding? [14:51] <Puzzlepiece> purple + gold = Dumbledore [14:51] <huebbe> royalty and riches [14:51] <Nimbus> Red King and White Queen wedding [14:51] <Spectre> Not my cup of tea, really biggrin [14:51] * bemused runs and hides crying 'eek, alchemy!' [14:51] <jaimedanser> hmm...no clue [14:51] <Aislinn> it was quite the alchemical symbolism [14:51] <blue4t> oh, yeah, royalty. I always forget purple is royalty. [14:51] <princess> No idea at all [14:51] <fawkes28> all of the gold reminded us of the level that Harry needs to reach in order to defeat Voldemort [14:51] <leakylurker> to remind us that Harry is seeking gold [14:51] <jaimedanser> y'all have fun with this discussion [14:51] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Harry was gold, his polyjuice potion was gold, he sees everything in these two chapters as they compare to gold [14:51] * MrMcGonagall looks in vain for his alchemy hat. [14:51] <jaimedanser> call me when it's over [14:51] * JaneMarple9 follows bemused swiftly! [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> reminded me of peacocks [14:52] <fawkes28> great minds, LL wink [14:52] <kneazlegirl> I'm sure all the gold, at least, was meant to be symbolic. [14:52] <huebbe> LOL [14:52] <leakylurker> smile [14:52] <Puzzlepiece> gold is also gryffindor and a sign of purity [14:52] <kneazlegirl> Not sure about the purple. [14:52] <Aislinn> there were so many blatant references to gold [14:52] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Even when Hagrid brought up the baby unicorns he was bringing up something that was gold [14:52] <Nimbus> *Alchemy clears the satidum it seems* [14:52] <cloudpic> There was a great deal of gold... the bridesmaid dresses, the chairs, the flag atop the marque [14:52] <Nimbus> stadium [14:52] <Aislinn> even Tonks chose to make her hair blonde for the wedding [14:52] <MrMcGonagall> I think the gold was a definite alchemical sign in the story. [14:52] <bookworm1102> i guess that it just ment that he is older and that he was going to turn into a powerful wizard [14:52] <huebbe> gold is treasure, but not materiallistcially...metaphor [14:52] <fawkes28> Jo definitely wanted us to keep Harry's goal in mind [14:52] <cloudpic> And gold is Pure. [14:52] <blue4t> My eyes totally glossed over all the mentioning of gold. [14:52] <Puzzlepiece> gold is also something grand. to show the wedding went all out-gold! [14:52] <Aislinn> and the yellow of the Lovegood's could also be viewed as another shade of gold. [14:52] <kneazlegirl> But I always liked the theory that books 5, 6, and 7 represent different alchemical stages. [14:52] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know enough about alchemy to have a theory on the purple. [14:52] <huebbe> yes, the prize [14:52] <JaneMarple9> i suppose gold represents gryffindor and red [14:53] <bookworm1102> agree jane [14:53] <bemused> well, alchemy apart, purple is the colour of royalty [14:53] <cloudpic> I thnk the royal wedding couple was the purple [14:53] <Puzzlepiece> thats what I was thinking , Jane [14:53] <JaneMarple9> isn't purple a royal colour? [14:53] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic [14:53] <bookworm1102> yes [14:53] <bemused> yes, Jane [14:53] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I liked that Ginny was in Gold [14:53] <fawkes28> also - the lovegood's were wearing yellow - a form of gold [14:53] <huebbe> yes [14:53] <leakylurker> The royal wedding [14:53] <princess> yeah that could be it jane [14:53] <huebbe> yes [14:53] <leakylurker> of the King and Queen in alchemy [14:53] <Spectre> and Harry was with red hair smile [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> there is a "purpling" just before the gold stage begins, I believe [14:53] <Puzzlepiece> we also know why Ginny was wearing gold - pink would clash with her red hair! [14:53] <Nimbus> in this case I think the pruple was just to indicate the royalty aspect-- [14:53] <Iheartprofessorsnape> Harry was still seeking her even if it didn't look that way [14:53] <cloudpic> Even if we don't follow alchemy we can grasp the notion that a Seeker can be searching for something "golden" and important [14:53] <huebbe> but the gold could be the prize of loce [14:53] <fawkes28> Xeno was actually doing some seeking himself with the Hallows - which I find interesting, escecially since he is wearing yellow [14:53] <huebbe> love [14:54] <Synesthesia> purpling, eh? [14:54] <Synesthesia> (Fascinated by alchemy) [14:54] <leakylurker> good point Phzzlepiece! [14:54] <bookworm1102> maybe hoped that if ginny and harry got married it would be a royal wedding smile or at least treated like one [14:54] <kneazlegirl> Barnes and Noble gave out red and gold armbands, I think. [14:54] <huebbe> and ginny is harry's future prize [14:54] <cloudpic> Perhaps that's why the golden flag was visible out ginny's window? [14:54] <Spectre> Xeno also sought new exciting creatures [14:54] <cloudpic> a sight for the future? [14:54] <Aislinn> ooh, I like that [14:54] <huebbe> yes [14:55] <Synesthesia> the book is gold without the cover i think [14:55] <blue4t> yellow, yeah [14:55] <bookworm1102> too true [14:55] <Puzzlepiece> the american version? [14:55] <Synesthesia> it's a bright colour, unlike the dark blue of the last book, that is hopeful [14:55] <Synesthesia> yes [14:55] <jaimedanser> no, yellow and green [14:55] <blue4t> no, wait, it's green with a yellow binding. [14:55] <Synesthesia> i wonder if that is intentional [14:55] <huebbe> it's yellow [14:55] <Spectre> My Bloomsbury edition is dark biggrin [14:56] <Synesthesia> mine is sort of gold, but i cannot find it... [14:56] <ProngsPatronus> ok, let me put you out of your misery with alchemy--last question of the chat: [14:56] <ProngsPatronus> The chapter ends with bad news—Scrimgeour’s dead, the Ministry has fallen, “They” are coming. What did you think of this ending to the wedding? (Rooftop Garden) [14:56] <cloudpic> As JKR has said she learned a great deal about literary alchemy, I don't think we can dismiss it [14:56] <Synesthesia> stupid having to pack everything away. [14:56] <huebbe> yellow with shades of orange [14:56] <bookworm1102> its gold orage and yellow at least the american version is [14:56] <JaneMarple9> frightening! [14:56] <cloudpic> So wonderfully dramatic! [14:56] <MrMcGonagall> Perfect! Very dramatic! [14:56] <Puzzlepiece> very predictable ending [14:56] <Iheartprofessorsnape> *shutters* I was freaked out [14:56] <bemused> it was a really gripping end to the chapter [14:56] <princess> Scary [14:56] <Aislinn> it was a cold dash of water back into the terror of the third chapter [14:56] <JaneMarple9> really really frightening [14:56] <Synesthesia> very much, it rahter scared me a bit] [14:56] <fawkes28> It is really the beginning of Harry's quest [14:56] <blue4t> dramatic, cliff hanger [14:56] <jaimedanser> frightening!!! [14:56] <leakylurker> Chill up my spine [14:56] <Nimbus> testing [14:56] <huebbe> wow, fun is over now on to the real reason of the book! [14:56] <Spectre> The wedding come to an abrupt end... together with the happy life [14:56] <leakylurker> see you hanie [14:56] <bookworm1102> i got extremly nervos and scarded some one was going to die [14:56] <leakylurker> janie [14:56] <jaimedanser> and definitely the beginning of the quest for Horcruxes [14:56] <MrMcGonagall> Comfort and security suddenly swept away. [14:56] <cloudpic> And we went from gold... to the colder silver (Patronus) [14:56] <JaneMarple9> i knew there was going to be something at the wedding [14:57] *** Nimbus has quit [Bye] [14:57] <Iheartprofessorsnape> At least they had a few hours of celebration [14:57] <Aislinn> yes it was [14:57] <jaimedanser> I mean...that's like when the book REALLY began, isn't it? [14:57] <fawkes28> the peaceful stage has ended and will not return until Harry achieves gold and defeats voldemort [14:57] <bemused> those words "They are coming" - could be everyone's worst nightmare [14:57] <JaneMarple9> yep jaime! [14:57] *** Nimbus has joined #lounge [14:57] <bookworm1102> agrees jamie [14:57] <huebbe> lovely fawkes! [14:57] <blue4t> My big prediction was that something was going to happen at the wedding. I did think it would be bigger than this, though. [14:57] <Aislinn> the way that Harry and Hermione went plunging through the crowd, searching for Ron was so panic-stricken [14:57] <bookworm1102> sorry guys i gotta go [14:57] <JaneMarple9> totally bemused [14:57] <cloudpic> Yes... that's right, that was the "golden moment of peace" promised at the end of HBP [14:57] <princess> Me too blue4t [14:57] <Iheartprofessorsnape> It sort of reminded me of the goonies, "They're here They're here" [14:57] <JaneMarple9> and everyone knew who "they" were [14:57] <huebbe> very much like GofF and the tri wizard tournament [14:57] <fawkes28> They are coming reminds me of The Holocaust and the fear that those words invoked in the Jews [14:57] <jaimedanser> cloudpic--yes biggrin [14:57] <leakylurker> smile I :heart: severussnape [14:57] <ProngsPatronus> I thought that it was interesting, the timing-- the old, "safe" life going out with Scrimgeour, and the "new", life on the run coming after his death [14:57] <huebbe> the quidditch world cup [14:58] *** bookworm1102 left #lounge [] [14:58] <huebbe> celebration......then over [14:58] <Synesthesia> :snape [14:58] <Synesthesia> darn [14:58] <bemused> well, also of LotR - those very words occur in the mines of Moria, before the Orcs and the Balrog arrive [14:58] <Puzzlepiece> yes, fawkes. there was a lot of similarities in the book to the Holocaust [14:58] <Synesthesia> severussnape [14:58] <blue4t> never thought about that, huebbe [14:58] <huebbe> fear only and looking for Harry [14:58] <Synesthesia> harrypotter [14:58] <jaimedanser> bemused--Oh, yes!!! I love that connection! [14:58] <leakylurker> YEs bemused, and they were just as frightening in LotR! [14:58] <Spectre> I was very sorry for Scrimgeour - first, trying to bully the Trio, and then dying the next day [14:58] <Synesthesia> they were so relaxed and content and happy, then WHAM, it's on [14:58] <princess> Yeah i felt sorry for him too [14:59] <bemused> yes - it deepened the terror for me, because of that asscoiation [14:59] <Aislinn> I felt a smidge better about him, learning that he protected any information about Harry [14:59] <jaimedanser> Spectre--I know! But at least his last act was for the good of Harry [14:59] <bemused> yes, me too, Aislinn [14:59] <huebbe> agreed aislinn [14:59] <Synesthesia> and all the muggle borns will soon be rounded up. i felt sorry for him too [14:59] <Puzzlepiece> I thought "well, thats for what you were trying to do to Harry. Serves you right" [14:59] <Spectre> I wonder what happened with Fudge - he wasn't mentioned at all in the book [14:59] <cloudpic> I'm proud of those who felt sorry for him... I agree, he wasn't a villain [14:59] <bemused> He made the right choice at the end [14:59] <Synesthesia> i didn' tthink of that. [14:59] <blue4t> I wonder, too, Spectre. [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> it made me more frightened, when I learned of his death--after all, he was an Auror, like Moody [14:59] <princess> Yeah i wondered about fudge too [14:59] <Iheartprofessorsnape> I don't think he stood a chance [14:59] <cloudpic> and likely well protected as MoM [14:59] <JaneMarple9> yeah no fudge [14:59] <JaneMarple9> very strange [14:59] <cloudpic> Like wearing a big target. [14:59] <bemused> I must go - bye everyone! [15:00] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs, it made it seem like even the most powerful were falling to Voldemort's evil. [15:00] <jaimedanser> well, fudge didn't have much of a role anymore [15:00] <Nimbus> Bye, B1 [15:00] <huebbe> bye bemused [15:00] <cloudpic> Farewell, bemused [15:00] <Iheartprofessorsnape> He probably wouldn't have stepped down so the only way to get him out of office was to die [15:00] <princess> bye bemused [15:00] <Puzzlepiece> fudge was gone with the beginning of book 6 [15:00] *** bemused has quit [Bye] [15:00] <blue4t> Couldn't they just have imperused Scrimgeour? [15:00] <Spectre> All Aurors we knew about were either killed or injured in the book, except for Kingsley: Moody dead, Scrimgeour dead, Tonks dead, Dawlish injured by Gran Longbottom, Thicknesse apparently injured by Percy... [15:00] <Synesthesia> he probably just retired [15:00] <Synesthesia> the wimp [15:00] <Aislinn> this has been a great chat! [15:00] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [15:01] <huebbe> leakylurker....where are you? [15:01] <jaimedanser> just to report to the muggle prime minister [15:01] <Aislinn> thanks so much for coming [15:01] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming to the chat! smile [15:01] <cloudpic> I doubt an imperious would have worked on Scrimgeour [15:01] <princess> Must have run away from the country to some distant land [15:01] <leakylurker> here sorry [15:01] <princess> smile [15:01] <jaimedanser> yep, great chat! [15:01] <JaneMarple9> (((((Boothers)))))) and (((((Cloud Pic)))) [15:01] <cloudpic> Lovely chat everyone! [15:01] <MrMcGonagall> This was a great chat everyone! Thank you for coming. [15:01] <huebbe> hiya! and bye! [15:01] <fawkes28> Hope to see you next time [15:01] <Iheartprofessorsnape> bye all [15:01] <jaimedanser> Thanks everyone! [15:01] <Spectre> great chat, bye everyone smile [15:01] <Nimbus> Thanks so much intrepid leaders and members! [15:01] <princess> great chat [15:01] <Puzzlepiece> see you all soon! [15:01] <ProngsPatronus> yes, this has been a great chat, everyone! [15:01] <Aislinn> see you all soon [15:01] <jaimedanser> see y'all on the lounge [15:01] <huebbe> thanks for the chat...it has been a while for me [15:01] *** Iheartprofessorsnape has quit [Bye] [15:01] <Synesthesia> bye [15:01] <blue4t> Good chat as long as my internet cooperated. Had fun. Bye [15:01] <JaneMarple9> back tomorrow for the sunday chat!! [15:01] <princess> Bye [15:01] <leakylurker> bye all, glad I caught the last 5 at least! [15:01] <princess> have fun [15:01] <cloudpic> (((((Jane and all)))))))) [15:01] *** Nimbus has quit [Bye] [15:01] <jaimedanser> bye everyone biggrin [15:01] *** blue4t has quit [Bye] [15:01] <princess> Yeah me too leakylurker [15:01] <ProngsPatronus> see you here tomorrow for the Sunday chat! 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