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[11:59] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [12:01] <Poet> Good Morning Corner Booth! [12:01] <Greeneyes15> Hey people! wats up? [12:01] <Poet> Nothing much here [12:01] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:01] <Poet> hey JaneMarple9 [12:01] <Greeneyes15> it's snowing here...which is depressing cuz it's easter tomorrow. [12:01] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [12:01] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [12:02] <JaneMarple9> hey all! [12:02] <Poet> I can imagine Greeneyes15 [12:02] <Greeneyes15> hey jane, becky, and lurker! [12:02] <becky920> hello [12:02] <Greeneyes15> totaly poet! [12:02] <Aislinn> hi folks [12:02] <Poet> It's been very chilly here, but if it snowed, I missed it [12:02] <leakylurker> hi guys, I am going to lurk while I eat my lunch [12:02] * Poet chuckles [12:02] <Greeneyes15> there's snow everywhere! [12:03] <Poet> I eat all the time while in the Booth. [12:03] <leakylurker> wish there was table service [12:03] <Greeneyes15> oo...what ya eatin lurker? [12:03] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [12:03] <leakylurker> just a sandwhich [12:03] * becky920 is eating sugar-free chocolate Jell-O pudding. [12:03] <Poet> yum [12:03] <Poet> I'm eating an apple [12:03] <leakylurker> sugar free? [12:04] <Greeneyes15> i lurv chocolate! [12:04] * Aislinn sets up trays of butterbeer and pumpkin juice for the booth [12:04] <becky920> Yeah, I'm on a diet, leakylurker [12:04] <becky920> The sugar free kind is only one point on Weight Watchers [12:04] <leakylurker> erm, sorry, sounds delicious! [12:04] *** animaguscow has joined #lounge [12:04] <Greeneyes15> thanks Aislinn! *grabs a butterbeer* [12:04] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [12:04] <becky920> It beats grapefruit and celery shavings [12:04] <Poet> I really need to go shopping. I'm entirely out of food. I might have to dig into the canned peaches for lunch [12:05] <Sophia40> Wow all this talk about food I am hungary [12:05] <Aislinn> yes, yes it does becky laugh [12:05] <Greeneyes15> me too sophia laugh [12:05] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:05] <Greeneyes15> bleh! i hate celery jane! [12:05] <Greeneyes15> better stick with the pudding smile [12:06] <Sophia40> so this is my first time on this chat whats S'up? [12:06] <Expelliarmas> well, we get started with the chat at about 1:15 [12:06] <Aislinn> we're going to be discussing chapters from OorP sophie [12:06] <becky920> The trouble is, I tend to make healthy stuff like that unhealthy [12:06] <Expelliarmas> we're discussing order of the phoenix [12:06] <becky920> Celery with peanut butter, grapefruit with brown sugar... not exactly diet friendly! [12:06] <leakylurker> you sound like Paula Deen [12:07] <Sophia40> wow there is alot to it r u all experts [12:07] <Greeneyes15> i've tried celery with peanutbutter and stuff but i still can't stand it! [12:07] <leakylurker> brown sugar on grapefruit! [12:07] <leakylurker> we are experts on food sophia [12:07] <Poet> I've never heard to that [12:07] <becky920> Well, maybe when I've lost all my weight, I can join a boxing team like Dudders [12:07] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [12:08] <NYBookworm> hi [12:08] <Poet> Never heard OF that - I mean [12:08] <Greeneyes15> laugh becky! [12:08] <Sophia40> Oh good so I feel right at home [12:08] <bemused> I shouldn't los all of it if I were you, becky [12:08] <bemused> *lose [12:08] <Poet> ha [12:08] <leakylurker> hi bookworm [12:08] <Greeneyes15> hey bokkworm! [12:08] <becky920> Why not, bemused? [12:08] <Greeneyes15> *bookworm [12:08] <becky920> I'm down 15 pounds so far. [12:08] <Poet> I can [12:08] <bemused> You'd disappear [12:08] <becky920> Ohh, wait, you were teasing me. ;) [12:08] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [12:09] <Poet> I can't lose any to save my life [12:09] <Greeneyes15> congrats becky! 15 pound is alot! [12:09] <MafaldaWeasley> hi all! [12:09] <becky920> Thanks! [12:09] <Sophia40> thats great becky I am 70 in eight months did it the hard way got sick [12:09] <becky920> Oh, I don't recommend that, Sophia! Hope you are feeling better now. [12:09] <leakylurker> i thought you were 40 sophia smile [12:10] <Greeneyes15> aww. thats not good Sofia... i hope ur better now? [12:10] <Expelliarmas> that's not the way to do it, sophia. hope you're on the mend [12:11] *** atschpe has joined #lounge [12:11] <Poet> hey atschpe [12:11] <Expelliarmas> !halfop atschpe [12:11] <Sophia40> I am better now ! 40 is just # because there were so many Sophias reg. [12:11] <becky920> I will say, Weight Watchers is really good. I thought it would be a bunch of boring people talking about celery, but it's not. [12:11] <atschpe> Hi there! [12:11] <leakylurker> well youlook 40 to me sophia! [12:11] * Expelliarmas admits to being exceptionally boring [12:11] <bemused> I've always hated the idea of that [12:11] <MafaldaWeasley> hey atschpe [12:11] * becky920 thinks Expie is ANYTHING but dull [12:11] <Greeneyes15> my mom was on weitght watchers...idk is she is anymore though, but i think so. [12:11] * Expelliarmas also admits to being fat and not big boned [12:11] <Poet> aww [12:11] <atschpe> I'm not fully here … yet so ignore for a bit [12:12] <Pleshette> Hey everyone! [12:12] <bemused> hello atschpe! [12:12] <MafaldaWeasley> hahaha Expie [12:12] <bemused> and Pleshette! [12:12] <becky920> Yeah, we won't talk about how much farther I have to go. [12:12] <MafaldaWeasley> hi Pleshette [12:12] <Greeneyes15> hey Pleshette! [12:12] <leakylurker> I am big boned and all muscle! [12:12] <becky920> The upshot is, my mother died at age 59 of heart disease and my dad's diabetic, so I've got to lose the weight. [12:12] <Expelliarmas> woot for you! leaky [12:12] <becky920> Must be nice, leaky [12:12] <leakylurker> I was kidding! I am being careful to for family history reasons [12:12] <Sophia40> Leakylurker You can't see me! and Everyone thinks I am younger than I am, so there [12:13] <becky920> Is that a bad thing, Sophia? LOL [12:13] * leakylurker too [12:13] <becky920> Well, fat stretches out wrinkles... but I still don't want to keep it around! [12:13] <JaneMarple9> that sounds similar to me becky - I had to cut right back 4 years ago [12:14] <becky920> How are you doing with it, Jane? [12:14] <Sophia40> No actually it is great! becky [12:14] <Poet> So, how's that weather? [12:14] * becky920 has to fight the urge to say Miss Marple [12:14] <Pleshette> Cooooooooooold [12:14] <bemused> It's a lovely day here, Poet [12:14] <becky920> brrrrrrrr [12:14] <Greeneyes15> snowing snowing snowing...sad [12:14] <Pleshette> 30s here [12:14] <Sophia40> over cast here [12:14] <leakylurker> cold and sunny in NY [12:14] <becky920> Can't believe I had on sandals last week [12:15] <bemused> Sun shining, first lambs gambolling in the meadow... [12:15] <JaneMarple9> quite simple - only chocolate on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays [12:15] <bemused> ...I'm always tempted to say 'gambling [12:15] <Greeneyes15> i had sandles and shorts on in the beging of the week and now is snowing! [12:15] <bemused> but they don't do that [12:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements. Please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [12:15] * becky920 snickers at the idea of lambs gambling [12:15] <Poet> Welcome to this Reading Group chat in the Corner Booth! The chat is led by moderators who ask pre-prepared questions. While it's easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by staying on topic. The rules of the Lounge apply in the Corner Booth: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules . [12:15] <Poet> During the chat a moderator may send you a Booth Message. A button next to #Lounge will appear with one of the mods' names on it. Click on the button, read the message, click back on the #Lounge button, and then type something like "Poet, I got it" into this main chat. [12:15] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send us a PM on the Lounge. If we haven't replied after about 10 minutes, give us a heads-up here in the chat. OK, moving on to the topic introduction and first question! [12:15] <Expelliarmas> Harry’s surprised by Dumbledore's abrupt departure. Harry tells Arthur the good news. They run into Lucius and Fudge, which upsets Harry and annoys Arthur. Harry empties his moneybag into the Fountain and they head back to #12 almost everyone is relieved for Harry. [12:15] <Expelliarmas> Ron and Hermione get prefect badges. Harry is stunned, Fred and George tease, Hermione is incredulous. Molly is thrilled. Ron gets a new broom. There’s a party for the new prefects. Sirius seems moodier than ever and Harry is still slightly disappointed, but feels better when he learns Sirius and James weren’t prefects. [12:16] <Expelliarmas> Moody shows Harry an old picture of the first Order. So many people in it were either dead or irreparably injured. Harry leaves the room, feeling down and finds Molly crying over a Boggart impersonating members of her family dead. He finally goes to bed feeling older than ever and wondering how he could have cared about a prefect badge only moments before. [12:16] <Expelliarmas> Before leaving for Hogwarts, Harry dreams of his parents who never say a word, a mournful Molly Weasley, and a long corridor which ends at a locked door. The jumble of images leave him with a prickling scar. Another chaotic trip to King’s Cross. Snuffles goes with them. They travel the Muggle way–on foot (there’s a lot of that in London). [12:16] <Expelliarmas> Inside the train, for the first time ever, Ron and Hermione don’t initially sit with Harry. Harry ends up with Neville, Ginny, and Luna Lovegood. Neville shows off his new plant and with a poke it squirts nasty Stinksap everywhere. Cho Chang pops into the carriage. Harry’s sappy–not the king of cool. The Hosepipe exits. Ginny casts Scourgify and they’re spic ‘n span once more. Ron and Hermione join them. [12:16] <Expelliarmas> The new prefects include: Malfoy and Pansy “Pugface” Parkinson–Slytherin; Ernie Macmillan and Hannah Abbott–Hufflepuff; Anthony Goldstein and Padma Patil–Ravenclaw. Luna’s dad is editor of The Quibbler and it has articles on Fudge’s efforts to take over Gringotts; and, Sirius–villain or victim? Malfoy spotted Sirius. Off the train–where is Hagrid? Harry sees the horseless carriages aren’t horseless. [12:16] <Expelliarmas> Thanks to Chamber 88 and Room 18–The Atrium for the introduction. All caught up? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 9 and 10. [12:17] <Expelliarmas> Why do you think Dumbledore didn’t stop to even talk to Arthur when he left the courtroom? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:17] <JaneMarple9> great summary Expie! [12:17] <becky920> Short, sweet and to the point! [12:17] <Expelliarmas> thx Jane! [12:17] <Poet> I think Jo did that to accentuation her point [12:17] <becky920> I wonder if he was afraid to bump into Harry if he lingered too long [12:17] <Sophia40> What point? [12:17] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore was so annoying in the begining of the book [12:18] <Expelliarmas> Well, if DD dawdles and talks to Arthur, he risks talking to Harry as well [12:18] <NYBookworm> because he didn't want their to be any connection with harry that LV could exploit [12:18] <JaneMarple9> the way he ignored harry [12:18] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [12:18] <becky920> How did he know, though? I don't get how he knew before the snake dream about the connection between HP and LV [12:18] <Expelliarmas> heya hf359 [12:18] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he didn't want to let out that hee had connections to the weasleys as well, [12:18] <harryfreak359> Hey everyone smile [12:18] <Pleshette> It was annoying Jane until we found out why at the end [12:19] <Pleshette> Hi harryfreak [12:19] <Greeneyes15> hey harryfreak! [12:19] <Sophia40> I don't like the way that played out DD being afraid that LV would connect with him [12:19] <leakylurker> yes Arthur is under cover so to speak [12:19] <harryfreak359> Long time no see smile whats the current question? [12:19] <bemused> I think he knew it was possible right from the time he saw Harry's scar - and then saw it start to connect [12:19] <Expelliarmas> repeating the question: Why do you think Dumbledore didn’t stop to even talk to Arthur when he left the courtroom? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:19] <becky920> You're probably right, bemused [12:19] <harryfreak359> Thanks expie [12:20] <Pleshette> right leakylurker, anyone associating with DD is bad news according to the Ministry [12:20] <Expelliarmas> it might also have something to do with what happened at the end of GoF [12:20] <Pleshette> Arthur had to stay in the Ministry's good graces [12:20] <harryfreak359> I dont think he wanted it to look like he had any dealings with any of them, because the ministry was so against him at that time [12:20] <leakylurker> I think that is the easiest answer, to protect arthur [12:20] <Expelliarmas> as to why DD made the connection between the scar and LV [12:20] <bemused> Yes - that's a good point [12:20] <Aislinn> Yes, pleshette, and since DD is on the outs with the Ministry, he wouldn't want suspicions to be raised about arthur [12:21] <Sophia40> It took him long enough to figure it out [12:21] <Greeneyes15> i think that maybe DD wanted Harry to tell Mr. Weasley the good news himself maybe? and that way he wouldn't jepordice Aurthers job either. [12:21] <harryfreak359> Yes exactly [12:21] <Expelliarmas> Well, in fairness, the Ministry has to know Arthur is on board with DD [12:21] <Greeneyes15> do they? [12:21] <Expelliarmas> yes, why else have Percy spying on the family? [12:21] <leakylurker> but he doesn't have to boast about it, and plarize himself [12:22] <Expelliarmas> that's true, leaky [12:22] <leakylurker> polarize [12:22] <Poet> Right - I think all of the Order members are trying to be careful in being seen directly interacting with Dumbledore [12:22] <Sophia40> Auther flies under the radar [12:22] <leakylurker> lay low arthur! [12:22] <Expelliarmas> What do you think about Harry's gift to the St. Mungo's fund? Will that be significant later on? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:22] <becky920> I would love to find out that it is important later. [12:22] <becky920> Like for curing Neville's parents or something. [12:23] <atschpe> More the symbology of showing how pure his heart is [12:23] <bemused> Mm, it's a nice idea, but I doubt it - how would they know which of the coins were Harry's [12:23] <Aislinn> I don't think it will be all that significant - it was just a means to show how happy he was that he got off of the charges [12:23] <Greeneyes15> i really don't think so... [12:23] <MafaldaWeasley> That shows Harry's good side, I think. I would love to know the money was well spent, but I doubt we are going to see that [12:23] <Poet> It certainly draws our attention to the fountain [12:23] <NYBookworm> I think it really just showed Harry's character his gratitude and the fact that he keeps his word [12:23] <becky920> And Harry's definitely not stingy. [12:23] <leakylurker> i think to show the fountain again [12:23] <Greeneyes15> yes bookworm [12:24] <Poet> It's a nice little touch- yes to show us the fountain again so it's not so surprising for it to be used later in the book [12:24] <becky920> He keeps his word, that's important, too [12:24] <Pleshette> I don't think it has significance beyond showing Harry's generosity and yes that too becky [12:24] <Expelliarmas> I think that was the point of the gift, to draw our attention to the fountain [12:24] <Expelliarmas> Do you think the fountain or statues is/are “magical” in any way? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:24] <atschpe> And to how greatful Harry feels [12:24] <Sophia40> The pure heart is real important to the rest of the stories [12:24] <leakylurker> I don't think that the amount wsa too important, since we know money does not mean that much to harry anyway [12:25] <Aislinn> yes, atschpe [12:25] <MafaldaWeasley> No, I think it's just a statue [12:25] <bemused> No - I don't think the fountain has any inherent magic [12:25] <becky920> I don't think so, Expie. I don't think they're magical until DD transfigures them. [12:25] <Aislinn> me too MafaldaWeasley [12:25] <leakylurker> Not until DD makes it so. [12:25] <bemused> It's a big lie, anyway [12:25] <harryfreak359> I dont think it is [12:26] <Greeneyes15> no, it just represents the magical community [12:26] <Expelliarmas> Arthur's interrupted before he can tell us fully what he thinks about the attitude behind Muggle-baiting. But you can probably guess what he was getting at. Do you agree or disagree with Arthur, and why? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:26] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it is a lie for the majority, but it's not a lie for Harry or DD [12:26] <Sophia40> it is weird symble of how the wizarding world is [12:26] <JaneMarple9> it might be a little magical not thought of it much [12:26] * becky920 rubs her hands together expectantly [12:26] <becky920> I think Arthur's making an enormously important point [12:27] <JaneMarple9> arthur is a muggle lover, who loves muggle things [12:27] <Expelliarmas> ay, Becky, don't keep us hanging ... tell us the point [12:27] <becky920> It's like when Harry jinxes people in the next book with the toe-nail jinx and stuff. [12:27] <becky920> It's a gateway to something much meaner. [12:27] <NYBookworm> I think he feels about muggle baiting the way we feel about teasing animals in a zoo cage [12:27] <JaneMarple9> i quite like the way that arthur disapproves of the muggle baiting [12:27] <becky920> Vomiting toilets might have been someone's idea of a joke, but how far removed is that from dangling someone upside down for sport? [12:28] <JaneMarple9> or rats in a labatory [12:28] <Pleshette> very true becky [12:28] <harryfreak359> Yes thats true becky [12:28] <Pleshette> where is the line drawn? [12:28] <Aislinn> that's an apt analogy, NYB [12:28] <becky920> exactly, Pleshette. where is the line? [12:28] <Expelliarmas> Is Fudge under Imperius Curse here? Why or why not? (Chamber 88) [12:28] <becky920> Fred and George would do well to pay attention, too. [12:29] <Poet> No. Fudge is acting for himself [12:29] <becky920> I hope not. [12:29] <atschpe> I agree Poet [12:29] <Sophia40> you draw your own line [12:29] <Expelliarmas> Fudge doesn't need to be Imperiused [12:29] <MafaldaWeasley> no, I think Fudge is way to dummy to be under imperious [12:29] <Greeneyes15> No, i think he's just being stupid. [12:29] <Pleshette> No not at this point I don't think [12:29] <Expelliarmas> He's perfectly capable of being a moron with no help from the peanut gallery [12:29] <becky920> I think he's being bought, but not under a curse [12:29] <Pleshette> haha right Expie [12:29] <Poet> Exactly. He simply makes not good choices. He's corrupted. [12:29] <becky920> LOL, Expie [12:29] <leakylurker> I don't think so [12:29] <Aislinn> just in denial, afraid to have his comfortable life disturbed [12:29] <bemused> No - I think Fudge is the archetypal doing what is easy [12:29] <Sophia40> fudge has been under the Imperios For along time now [12:29] <bemused> rather than what is right [12:30] <becky920> Why do you think so, Sophia? Got an example? [12:30] <leakylurker> since birth sophia? [12:30] <Pleshette> Why do you think so Sophia? [12:30] <MafaldaWeasley> Do you think so, Sophia? I think he's doing his stuff really [12:30] <Expelliarmas> his love of his office, rather than his duty, makes it easy for Lucius to manipulate Fudge without resorting to a curse [12:30] <Aislinn> exactly, expie [12:30] <animaguscow> no, fudge is acting on he own, he has to much love of the power of his job. [12:30] <Greeneyes15> hey...i gotta go...i might be back later though! see yas!!! bye1 [12:30] <Poet> Dumbledore thinks he's acting for himself. [12:30] <Expelliarmas> bye greeneyes [12:30] <leakylurker> bye [12:30] <MafaldaWeasley> bye Green [12:30] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [12:30] <Expelliarmas> What do you think about Fudge's relationship with Lucius Malfoy? Friendship? Professional? What kind of influence might Malfoy have on Fudge? (Chamber 29) [12:31] <Expelliarmas> Lucius has too much influence over Fudge [12:31] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Lucius may know something about Fudge [12:31] <bemused> I suspect Malfoy has a lot of influence [12:31] <Aislinn> the same kind of relationship that rich people and corporations have with politicians here in the States [12:31] <becky920> I would not be surprised to learn Malfoy was a major backer of Fudge's campaign to be elected [12:31] <Aislinn> money buys influence [12:31] <MafaldaWeasley> some sort of secret without meantioning the money [12:31] *** savage_bloodthirst_vash has joined #lounge [12:31] <Pleshette> he knows how to play Fudge [12:31] <bemused> Because he seems to be everything Fudge most approves of [12:31] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Aislinn [12:31] <leakylurker> interesting point bcky [12:31] <becky920> As we say in the newsroom... follow the money [12:31] <Sophia40> I feel Lucuis has had him for along time [12:31] <leakylurker> becky [12:31] <Pleshette> like a violin [12:32] <Poet> It think it is very foolish of Fudge to align himself with someone that onlyl escaped imprisonment in Voldie War 1 by saying he was imperioused. You'd think Fudge would be more careful. [12:32] <harryfreak359> I think that he has a great influence because of his status in the Wizarding world, of course Fudge would listen to someone who has social status [12:32] <becky920> He's too attracted to the money [12:32] <Sophia40> I am tring to find the exact spot where I thought OMG [12:32] <Aislinn> well, Poet, Fudge is nothing if not foolish [12:32] <leakylurker> it might have to do with the pure blood t hing too [12:32] <becky920> let me know when you find it, Sophia! I'm curious. [12:32] <Expelliarmas> Do you think Fudge invited Malfoy to the Ministry? Why no mention of a visitor’s badge on Malfoy? What do you think he was doing on the 9th floor? Was that “jingling” is his pocket, coins or something else? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:32] <Pleshette> He probably tells Fudge exactly what he wants to hear, feeding him his own ideas in the process and then finishing it with a nice "dnation" [12:33] <becky920> I'm sure he was there on Fudge's request or appointment. [12:33] <leakylurker> Coins to "donate" [12:33] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Becky [12:33] <Aislinn> he probably comes and goes freely - the privilege that money buys him, and I do think it was coins in his pocket [12:33] <becky920> at least, I hope it wasn't keys [12:33] <Expelliarmas> Fudge likely invited Malfoy; which is odd given that Harry named him as a DE in GoF [12:33] <bemused> Yes - I think it was money [12:33] <Pleshette> I'll bet he has his own "Friend of Fudge" badge [12:33] <becky920> Right, but he doesn't trust Harry [12:34] <Sophia40> Didn't Malfoy work there? Where? The movie alludes to this line! [12:34] <becky920> Even back in GoF, he accused Harry of merely parroting back the records of previously acquitted DE's. [12:34] <bemused> I s'pose he either wanted to know the outcome of the case, or was checking out the corrdior to the Dept of Mysteries [12:34] <bemused> or both [12:34] <leakylurker> I agree bemused, snooping around [12:35] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of Dumbledore’s prefect choice of Ron? Did he deserve it? Was he capable of doing the job? (Chamber 88) [12:35] <leakylurker> maybe under the pretense of official business [12:35] <becky920> I thought it was really perceptive of Dumbledore [12:35] <becky920> He knew from the first book Ron was constantly being overshadowed. He decided to give him a chance. [12:35] <leakylurker> I don't think we know enough a bout Semus or Dean to know if they would have been better choices [12:35] <Expelliarmas> I wasn't sure what to think of Ron as a prefect [12:35] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Ron is good enough for being prefect. I think he's brave and would stand up to defend the students. He's brave enough for it [12:35] <bemused> It was an excellent choice - gave Ron something to aspire to - and a sense of being chosen [12:35] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [12:36] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:36] <Poet> It shows a lot of confidence in Ron [12:36] <leakylurker> I thought prefects were model students. I don't think of Ron that way, so I was suprised [12:36] <Expelliarmas> I don't know that it does show confidence in Ron. He got it because DD thought Harry had too much to do. [12:36] <becky920> He's no worse than Dean or Seamus, anyway [12:36] <Poet> I think it also encourages Ron to take a more active leadership role [12:36] <Expelliarmas> Well, Ron doesn't know that, so he could feel DD was showing confidence in him [12:37] <bemused> that's true, Expie - but it does give Ron a boost [12:37] <Aislinn> since he didn't feel he could give it to Harry, he gave it to Harry's right hand man [12:37] <becky920> Why not Neville, though? Why not show confidence in Neville? [12:37] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he was there to balance Hermione. Hermione is waayyy too much nerdy hehe. I think DD showed that he trusted on Ron yes [12:37] <leakylurker> I don't know that harry deserved it either (sorry) [12:37] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [12:37] <Expelliarmas> Neville has less confidence in himself than Ron does [12:37] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [12:37] *** savage_bloodthirst_vash has quit [Bye] [12:37] <JaneMarple9> yeah! Neville deserves yo be a prefect! [12:37] <mollywobbles23> hi! [12:37] <Sophia40> I knew Ron would get it, He is a model for how Gryffindors are! Brave, Courage in the face of danger [12:37] <bemused> I don't think Neville could have handled it [12:37] <JaneMarple9> (((((Mollywobbles))))) [12:37] <bemused> Not at that stage [12:37] <mollywobbles23> Jane! hug [12:38] <leakylurker> good point sophia, he does embody the house characterstics at least [12:38] <ltbrave23> i don't think so either [12:38] <becky920> How would we know, though, if no one ever gave Neville a shot [12:38] <Expelliarmas> Neville would've been taken advantage of left and right [12:38] <Aislinn> Dumbledore doesn't put a lot of stock in rigidly following rules, so not doing so would not play into his decision as to who would be a good prefect, imo [12:38] <becky920> Now that may be true, Expie [12:38] <JaneMarple9> I don't think Harry could have handed it [12:38] <mollywobbles23> what's the question? [12:38] <leakylurker> good point aislinn [12:38] <Expelliarmas> Had Harry been named prefect, do you think he would have been capable of doing the job? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:38] <mollywobbles23> no [12:38] <Aislinn> Yes [12:38] <JaneMarple9> No [12:38] <mollywobbles23> he was busy enough and freaking out [12:38] <becky920> Maybe... I think he needs Ron and Hermione to balance him out. [12:38] <leakylurker> No, because there is nothing passionate about it [12:38] <MafaldaWeasley> No. [12:38] <bemused> I think he would [12:38] <ltbrave23> he would have been to distracted with everything else going on [12:38] <Aislinn> He showed he is a natural leader, in the way that he handled the DA [12:38] <JaneMarple9> he has had the ministry hearing [12:38] <Expelliarmas> Not at that time! Too many anger issues. [12:39] <Sophia40> Neville is coming into his own, being raised by Granmum an all!!! [12:39] <Pleshette> I this year it would have been too hard for him to handle [12:39] <leakylurker> he could lead the DA because is heart was in it [12:39] <Poet> Harry has other activities to busy himself with [12:39] <animaguscow> not that year it would of been to much [12:39] <Pleshette> *think [12:39] <JaneMarple9> he has seen dementors he has seen ced die [12:39] <JaneMarple9> and now he's seeing horses nobody else can! [12:39] <Aislinn> It actually would have been a good thing to take him out of himself a bit more [12:39] <Expelliarmas> it was a shame DD waited until the end of the year to tell Harry why he didn't pick him for prefect [12:39] <Aislinn> he couldn't for the same reason that he kept his distance all year [12:39] <Expelliarmas> I think Harry's confidence suffered at not being chosen [12:40] <ltbrave23> i thought so too [12:40] <harryfreak359> Yeah I agree expie [12:40] <becky920> Harry worked through it, though [12:40] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think he would have been able to focus on both things..keeping an eye on LV and being prefect, besides, this would show to LV how close werre Harry and DD [12:40] <Pleshette> I think with all the negative attention from others in the school he'd have a hard time with it [12:40] <ltbrave23> but i understood why he wasn't told [12:40] <harryfreak359> though it was good for him to deal with it [12:40] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of Dumbledore’s prefect choice of Hermione? (Chamber 88) [12:40] <leakylurker> Why did he have to be told at all? [12:40] <bemused> I don't think it affected his confidence in the long run - maybe it was good for the chosen one not to be chosen [12:41] <Sophia40> Harry has a different path, What is right and what is easy [12:41] <Aislinn> Harry is adaptable, and would be able to handle the role if it was given to himm [12:41] <Pleshette> Perfect smile [12:41] <becky920> I think she was much more likely to be responsible with it than Lavender or Parvati [12:41] <JaneMarple9> a shoo in! [12:41] <JaneMarple9> a perfect prefect [12:41] <Aislinn> Hermione is more the classic choice for the job [12:41] <Expelliarmas> Hermione would stand up to anyone and everyone [12:41] <leakylurker> responsible, god student [12:41] <atschpe> Was obvious [12:41] <leakylurker> good [12:41] <becky920> Do grades play into it in addition to responsibility and leadership? [12:41] <Expelliarmas> probably not,given Ron was chosen [12:41] <Expelliarmas> it can't hurt though [12:41] <bemused> Ought to be more leadership than grades [12:42] <Aislinn> we don't really know about the other 3 boys' grades to be able to judge that [12:42] <Poet> Well it does help to have good grades. Extra duties can take away from study time [12:42] <Expelliarmas> Hermione's SPEW efforts probably helped her [12:42] <leakylurker> i am thinking well rounded would work [12:42] <becky920> his grades are probably better than Dean, Seamus or Neville's. He's got Hermione helping him study [12:42] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Hermione is too hard sometimes, so it's good you have Ron on the other side. Ron doesn't have bad graddes [12:42] *** ltbrave23 left #lounge [] [12:42] <Expelliarmas> plus her efforts at helping Harry [12:42] <Sophia40> How to choose a Slythrin Prefect [12:42] <becky920> They balance each other well, I think [12:42] <becky920> Hermione wasn't afraid to stand up to Gred and Forge [12:42] <mollywobbles23> Hermione has shown that she has self-discipline: you'd have to to make the grades she has and also taking all those classes in her third year...but then realizing that that was too much. [12:42] <leakylurker> i too think we would need more info about dean and seamus to really figure out who was best [12:42] <Pleshette> I wonder if Heads of Houses have a lot of input...McGonagall would surely choose Hermione for a number of reasons [12:42] <Expelliarmas> that may have been more the point, Hermione would be more rules and Ron would be more reasonable [12:42] <becky920> I bet the Heads recommend them, but they have to be approved by DD [12:43] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Expie [12:43] <Aislinn> Having Ron and Hermione as Prefects in his House also ensures that they will not be giving Harry a hard time when he is doing what he needs to do, which may have played a role in Dd's choices [12:43] <leakylurker> together they make a good pair [12:43] <Pleshette> Oh good point Aislinn [12:43] *** atschpe has quit [Bye] [12:43] <leakylurker> oh yes aislinn [12:43] <bemused> Yes - good pint, aislinn [12:43] <mollywobbles23> very good point, Aislinn [12:43] <Sophia40> Heads House no wonder Malfoy got it [12:43] <becky920> good pint, too ;) [12:43] <bemused> *point!! [12:43] <Poet> And Ron could call Hermione on being too strict - they know each other well enough to work together nicely [12:44] <leakylurker> yes I think heads of house have input [12:44] <Expelliarmas> What do you think about Hermione's "Ron? But... are you sure?" reaction? What does that say about Hermione's thoughts about her two friends? (Chamber 88) [12:44] <leakylurker> that was a terrible thing to say, i felt horrible for ron [12:44] <becky920> I think Hermione put her foot in her mouth. [12:45] <bemused> Harry would have been the obvious choice [12:45] <bemused> it's just unfortunate that she said it [12:45] <Aislinn> I think that Hermione recognizes harry's natural leadership skills, and honestly expected him to get it, just as everyone else did(Moody, the twins, etc) [12:45] <leakylurker> I don't know why hermione thought Harry and not Ron, I don't think Harry was an obvious choice [12:45] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Hermione was a bit mean [12:45] <harryfreak359> Yeah, well Ron did not act much like a perfect much before, it was a bit shocking...she just spoke before she thoguht [12:45] <harryfreak359> thought [12:45] <becky920> She realized as soon as she said it that she shouldn't have [12:45] <Poet> Harry was holding the badge. It was easy to think there might have been a mix up with envelopes or something [12:45] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Hermione meant to hurt Ron's feelings This post has been edited by Poet: Apr 7 2007, 02:14 PM |
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[12:45] <bemused> Harry would have been the obvious choice
[12:45] <bemused> it's just unfortunate that she said it [12:45] <Aislinn> I think that Hermione recognizes harry's natural leadership skills, and honestly expected him to get it, just as everyone else did(Moody, the twins, etc) [12:45] <leakylurker> I don't know why hermione thought Harry and not Ron, I don't think Harry was an obvious choice [12:45] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Hermione was a bit mean [12:45] <harryfreak359> Yeah, well Ron did not act much like a perfect much before, it was a bit shocking...she just spoke before she thoguht [12:45] <harryfreak359> thought [12:45] <becky920> She realized as soon as she said it that she shouldn't have [12:45] <Poet> Harry was holding the badge. It was easy to think there might have been a mix up with envelopes or something [12:45] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Hermione meant to hurt Ron's feelings [12:46] <Aislinn> i don't think she did either [12:46] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she sated she saw in as inferior to Harry [12:46] <becky920> I don't think she did either... I think she knew as soon as it was out of her mouth how it came across [12:46] <leakylurker> she usually doesn;t make impulsive mistakes like that, it was a little shocking [12:46] <MafaldaWeasley> exaclty Leaky [12:46] <becky920> She was pretty excited herself right then [12:46] <Expelliarmas> Hermione actually being excited [12:46] <leakylurker> i guess she was so excited about her own badge [12:46] <Aislinn> as Poet said, I think it was an understandable reaction, given the fact that harry was holding the badge [12:46] <MafaldaWeasley> so that's why i think she really thought Ron to be inferior to Harry on skills [12:46] <Pleshette> I think she was just excited about being chosen and seeing Harry with the envelope..it was an easy mistake [12:47] <Expelliarmas> What about Harry's reaction to Ron's badge? Do you think Harry handles the situation well? (Chamber 88) [12:47] <Sophia40> She has friendship with Harry and kinda Girlfriendship with Ron [12:47] <becky920> Not at first, LOL [12:47] <mollywobbles23> yeah, it was confusion combined with Ron's prior lack of responsibility [12:47] <JaneMarple9> exactly the same as ron reacted in book 4 [12:47] <becky920> But we're seeing Harry in CAPSlock mode all through this book [12:47] <Expelliarmas> Not initially, but then he remembers he has bigger fish to fry [12:47] <leakylurker> Harry was in a bad state for sure, but I wish he was a little happier for ROn [12:47] <MafaldaWeasley> no, he got jealous, like a normal person [12:47] <Aislinn> i think he handles it fine [12:48] <Pleshette> It was a normal reaction I think [12:48] <NYBookworm> I love how you can feel exactly how awful he feels and how he manages to get himself to being happpy for ron anyway [12:48] <becky920> He managed to get there, he just had to work through it [12:48] <bemused> Yes - I think he does. his reaction's natural - specially given the state he's in about other things [12:48] <JaneMarple9> how jealous he was when harry got to be the tri-wizard champ [12:48] <Aislinn> He has a right to his own feelings, which he did not take out on Ron [12:48] <bemused> but he works his way through it [12:48] <harryfreak359> Yeah well he handled it pretty well, yet his reaction was perfectly understandable [12:48] <Poet> And that tricky Jo is setting Harry up for being even more emotional ;) [12:48] <Expelliarmas> interesting he questioned his own jealousy [12:48] <JaneMarple9> but he worked through his feelings quickly [12:48] <bemused> and is nice to Ron [12:48] <Pleshette> he eventually works through it and is genuinely happy for Ron, esp. after Tonks tells him she was never a prefect [12:48] <MafaldaWeasley> very interesting indeed, expie [12:48] <leakylurker> yes, he handled it in his head and was good to Ron in the end [12:48] <Aislinn> kHe would be such a boring character, if he never had human reactions to things [12:48] <Poet> I think it was a great opportunity for Harry to step back and look at himself in a more mature way [12:48] <Sophia40> this whole book was transforming to and for Harry as a person [12:49] <Aislinn> yes, sophia, I agree [12:49] <bemused> Agree, Aislinn - he's very honest with himself about it [12:49] <becky920> I love how human and realistic Harry is in the books. He's not perfect. I love him for that. [12:49] <Expelliarmas> Given enough time, he works his way through. How much easier it would have been for Harry to be surly over it and ruin it for Ron. [12:49] <Expelliarmas> It will take a lot to tempt Harry, I think [12:49] <Aislinn> right, it would have been quite understandable for him to let slip a snarky comment, but he didn't [12:49] <Pleshette> it shows he has the inner strength to work through conflict [12:49] <Expelliarmas> true, becky, Harry isn't a Mary Sue [12:49] <becky920> It shows how much they've grown since the year before, too [12:50] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree becky [12:50] <becky920> Last year Harry got the honor and Ron couldn't handle the jealousy [12:50] <JaneMarple9> exactly becky [12:50] <becky920> This year, Harry's jealous, but he's mature enough to work through it [12:50] <MafaldaWeasley> he couldn't handle the thought of Harry leaving him out of the game, I think [12:50] <JaneMarple9> harry's more mature than ron - he's had more to deal with [12:51] <Aislinn> yes, Jane, that's very true [12:51] <Sophia40> JKR has made it this way so Harry is ready when he needs to be. Do you think Harry would be as stronge with out his friends? [12:51] <MafaldaWeasley> no, sophia, I don't think so [12:51] <Aislinn> i think they are vital to him, sophia [12:51] <JaneMarple9> hermione and ron are like harry's backbone [12:51] <JaneMarple9> he's nothing without them two [12:52] <leakylurker> the scene did allow harry to reflect on how Ron and Hermione have helped him along the way [12:52] <becky920> More than that, Jane... I think they're his id and his superego [12:52] <Expelliarmas> When Molly learns Ron’s a prefect she comments: “Oh, Ron, how wonderful! A prefect! That's everyone in the family!” The twins are quite indignant. Is this a mere slip of the tongue oversight by her? Why does she say this? Does she feel "less" for the Twins, or is she simply wrapped up in her pride towards Ron? What does this tell us about Molly as a parent? (Chamber 007). [12:52] <Sophia40> Me neither! I have always felt the story wouldn't be as strong with out the LOVE of his friends [12:52] <leakylurker> and he realizes that he had to a lot of things alone. true through the end of the series [12:52] <JaneMarple9> slip of the tongue [12:52] <JaneMarple9> she was so overjoyed about ron [12:52] <Aislinn> I think she was totally wrapped up in her pride for Ron, and had never expected the twins to be considered, given their natures [12:52] <becky920> I think she just assumed Fred and George weren't prefect material, not that they're not in the family [12:53] <Poet> The twins have always kind of done things their own way, and with twins they can't both be prefect, so it was never expected [12:53] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she never considered the twins as responsible, [12:53] <leakylurker> assumed fred and george were not contenders [12:53] <harryfreak359> I think that she was just so happy about ron that she slipped, she loves all her sons, i dont think shed ever purposely do something like that [12:53] <leakylurker> and I don't think they minded either [12:53] <JaneMarple9> but she has never expected fred and george responsible enough to become prefects [12:53] <leakylurker> I think there comment was a joke as well [12:53] <bemused> And it would have been odd to choose one twin and not the other [12:53] <Aislinn> and who in their right mind would ever have considered Gred or Forge for the job? [12:53] <Poet> The twins are a pair, so it would have been hard to split them up to have one be prefect and one not [12:53] <Pleshette> lol [12:53] <MafaldaWeasley> haha Nobody Aislinn, haha [12:53] <JaneMarple9> hi there harryfreak smile [12:53] <Expelliarmas> I would've paid good yankee dollars to see Fred/George as prefects [12:54] <JaneMarple9> they'd certain make being a prefect....entertaining [12:54] <Aislinn> can you imagine??? [12:54] <Expelliarmas> Percy would have never recovered [12:54] *** paudie has joined #lounge [12:54] <bemused> they'd ahve had fun [12:54] <bemused> *have [12:54] <Pleshette> so would the Gryffindors [12:54] <leakylurker> that would have killed percy! [12:54] <Sophia40> Molly doesn't expect much of the twins [12:54] <MafaldaWeasley> they would have forced everyone to try their stuff [12:54] <JaneMarple9> Yes Expie prim Percy would not have approved! [12:54] <Aislinn> anarchy would have reigned - it would have been quite entertaining [12:54] <Poet> Yes, they are the ant-prefects in some ways [12:54] <Expelliarmas> Why didn’t Harry think to fight Molly's boggart himself? (Chamber 29) [12:54] <JaneMarple9> They'd cause more chaos than Peeves! [12:55] <Poet> Good question Expelliarmas [12:55] <MafaldaWeasley> because he was shocked with what he saw [12:55] <bemused> I think he was too caught up in her emotion [12:55] <JaneMarple9> because he was startled [12:55] <leakylurker> good question, dead ron freaked him out? [12:55] <mollywobbles23> lag [12:55] <Poet> It was a bit of a shock walking in on a boggart changing that much I think [12:55] <MafaldaWeasley> it's a fear of his own as well [12:55] <Pleshette> I think he was too stunned when between seeing her crying and Ron's dead body [12:55] <JaneMarple9> and he had never seen Molly lose it before [12:55] <Expelliarmas> i wonder what Harry's boggart would've been had he fought the boggart himself [12:55] <bemused> It's always difficult at his age to see an adult in real distress [12:55] <Poet> If Moody hadn't shown up I think Harry would have come to his senses and been able to help [12:55] <animaguscow> it was the shock of seeing the dead bodies [12:55] <Aislinn> Yes, I think he was almost as emotionally affected by the sight as she was [12:55] <Poet> Lupin I mean [12:55] <Pleshette> right Jane, adults are supposed to hold it together and be strong [12:55] <JaneMarple9> he'd seen her lose her temper, but never give way to emotion [12:56] <Expelliarmas> After being unreasonably angry most of the summer, Harry feels a lot of compassion for Molly. What are your thoughts on this and his maturity at the end of this chapter? (Chamber 29) [12:56] <leakylurker> yes a sobbing molly must have been a shocker [12:56] <Pleshette> it's hard sometimes seeing an adult lose it [12:56] <JaneMarple9> adults aren't supposed to cry [12:56] <JaneMarple9> apparently! biggrin [12:56] <leakylurker> uh oh jane i am in trouble then! [12:56] <MafaldaWeasley> He has Molly as a mother figure [12:56] <bemused> I think it shows how quickly he is growing up [12:56] <mollywobbles23> she had always been so strong and he saw her at her weakest moment. That's shocking. [12:56] <JaneMarple9> me to leakylurker smile [12:56] <Pleshette> I agree bemused [12:57] <Sophia40> my thought bemused [12:57] <Aislinn> Harry's anger is completely understandable and reasonable, given his circumstances. It does not negate who he is as a human being - he is still the Boy who Loved [12:57] <JaneMarple9> he knows how molly feels [12:57] <Poet> Harry is allowed to step outside himself in this scene and realize the toll this war is having on those besides himself. It's really a great kick in the pants [12:57] <JaneMarple9> he might vaguely remember his parents death [12:57] <leakylurker> aislinn you are so compassionate, I think I am too hard on harry [12:57] <Aislinn> I think that Harry is amazingly restrained in his anger, given all he has gone through [12:57] <Sophia40> Oh I think that will be his Effigy Aislinn [12:58] <Expelliarmas> What does Moody see in the desk anyway, if boggarts don't know what shape to assume until after they come out of their hidey-holes? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:58] <leakylurker> I think the shock of seeing MRs. Weasley's fears showed harry that he is not alone in this conflict [12:58] <JaneMarple9> Barty Crouch Junior? [12:58] <Poet> I think he simply senses movement and something magical [12:58] <leakylurker> and it helped him mature [12:58] <bemused> You'd have to ask Moody that one! [12:58] <JaneMarple9> or a buttock which had been removed? biggrin [12:58] <Expelliarmas> yes, but I'd rather ask y'all [12:58] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he senses something or sees a shadow [12:58] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [12:58] * Expelliarmas is scared of Moody [12:59] <paudie> Good one Jane! [12:59] <Pleshette> Hi Kneazly! [12:59] <Aislinn> that's a great question - it may just be a formless shape, drifting about, if it is not aware of a person [12:59] <Poet> He probably is used to whatever magical imprint certain things - like boggarts - show around themselves [12:59] <Kneazly> Hi Everyone! [12:59] <MafaldaWeasley> hello [12:59] <Aislinn> hi kneazly [12:59] <Expelliarmas> perhaps the boggart knows it's being watched and shifts to whatever scares Moody [12:59] <mollywobbles23> no idea [12:59] <leakylurker> maybe he senses its magic, like dd sensed magic in the cave [12:59] <JaneMarple9> well it mustn't had been pleasent for Moody, in the trunk, for all that time [12:59] <Poet> Thats what I think too leakylurker [12:59] <JaneMarple9> the previous year I mean [13:00] <mollywobbles23> it depends on if it can sense him there, doesn't it? if so: whatever he most fears; if not: whatever a boggart looks like [13:00] <mollywobbles23> I wonder if we'll ever find out [13:00] <Expelliarmas> Moody decides to show Harry a photograph of the "original" Order. He casually glides over each member shown and disturbingly comments upon each member and the manner in which so many of them died under LV and his DEs. Harry's parents, as well as the Longbottoms are shown. What possibly could be Moody's motivation for showing him this photo (with his comments)? (Chamber 007). [13:00] <JaneMarple9> to cheer harry up [13:00] <leakylurker> He might have thought harry would want to see his smiling parents [13:00] <Expelliarmas> what a way to cheer harry up ... [13:00] <JaneMarple9> because he knew harry wanted to be a prefect secretedly [13:01] <Aislinn> Moody has lived a long life of conflict and loss. It is such a central part of his existence, he probably didn't stop to think that it is not how most other people live. [13:01] <JaneMarple9> or perhaps...foreshadowing with the Longbottoms photo [13:01] <mollywobbles23> exactly, Aislinn [13:01] <Expelliarmas> I think seeing Peter and the Longbottoms in the picture and knowing what happened to them was what really upset Harry [13:01] <becky920> test [13:01] <Poet> I agree. He thought it would help, but then got caught up in telling Harry the rest of the story about those people - he simply got caught up [13:01] <leakylurker> moody probably can't imagine how harry feels, he is just trying to be freindly [13:01] <JaneMarple9> because he meets them later [13:01] <Kneazly> Yes Aislinn. And maybe to emphasize "constant vigilance" to not end up the same way [13:01] <Aislinn> i see you becky [13:01] <Expelliarmas> we see you becky [13:01] *** animaguscow left #lounge [] [13:01] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Moody finds it cool. Look this one died figthin so many, and this one, killed that one... I think we must understand that Moody is a soldier on some level, and he likes the hunt [13:01] <JaneMarple9> 10/10 becky smile [13:02] <bemused> He's older and has become accustomed to death and loss of this kind - he probably wouldn't see how much it would affect Harry [13:02] <mollywobbles23> true too, Mafalda [13:02] <becky920> thanks guys [13:02] <Aislinn> yes, mafalda - it was a soldier showing his comrades in arms [13:02] <JaneMarple9> to show harry what aberforth looked like? [13:02] <MafaldaWeasley> so, he's proud of them and of the difficult time they faced [13:02] <Expelliarmas> We find out Tonks was a rule breaker, but we don’t know what House she was in. Any guesses? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:02] <Poet> yes JaneMarple9 smile [13:03] <becky920> Gryff, all the way [13:03] <NYBookworm> I think grfyndor [13:03] <mollywobbles23> to Harry they were mothers and fathers, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters: to Moody they were soldiers who went down fighting. [13:03] <JaneMarple9> hufflepuff at a guess [13:03] <leakylurker> i say gryffindor, she seems like a tough chic [13:03] <Pleshette> Hmm..I'd guess Gryffindor [13:03] <paudie> I'd say Gryffindor too [13:03] <Poet> She said "my head of house" [13:03] <mollywobbles23> Gryffindor [13:03] <MafaldaWeasley> I would say Raven claw [13:03] <Poet> It wasn't that long ago, so I'd say not Gryffindor [13:03] <Expelliarmas> in reference to whom, Poet [13:03] <Pleshette> or maybe Hufflepuff [13:03] <Expelliarmas> I don't remember that [13:03] <becky920> Oh, good catch Poet. [13:03] <bemused> I'd like to say Slytherin 'cos I want to meet a good Slytherin [13:03] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think it was Gryffindor as well, Poet [13:03] <Sophia40> It could be Ravenclaw too There retty brave [13:03] <Expelliarmas> I don't see her in Gryffindor somehow [13:03] <becky920> Her head of house thought she lacked certain qualities... like the ability to behave herslef [13:04] <leakylurker> that would be nice bemused, to have a good slytherin in the order [13:04] <Kneazly> I'd guess Hufflepuff because of her friendliness and her clumsiness [13:04] <Expelliarmas> I could see her in Hufflepuff [13:04] <Poet> She said her head of house probably didn't think she was prefect material. She didn't say McGonagall or Snape, so I'd think Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw [13:04] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she was Ravenclaw... [13:04] <JaneMarple9> it is just that Hufflepuff seem to take the pupils who don't have any outstanding talents - not overly brave, not overly sly, not overly clever [13:04] <Aislinn> I think that you need to be very smart to get through all the prerequisites for being an Auror, so maybe Ravenclaw [13:04] <Poet> I agree Aislinn [13:04] * JaneMarple9 now hides from all the Hufflepuffs! [13:04] <becky920> Dunno Jane.. Cedric seemed pretty brave and clever to me. [13:04] <mollywobbles23> You also have to be brave [13:04] <Expelliarmas> true, becky [13:05] <Aislinn> it is very hard to get into the Auror program, so just because she is clumsy does not negate her other achievements [13:05] <Expelliarmas> I don't think there really is a house for cowards [13:05] <mollywobbles23> I think it would be cool if she was a Hufflepuff [13:05] <JaneMarple9> yes agreed Ced was a good hufflepuff [13:05] <Expelliarmas> although Snape is an exception ... [13:05] <leakylurker> lol [13:05] <mollywobbles23> Maybe she'll give Hufflepuff "their day"? [13:05] <Aislinn> hehehe [13:05] <JaneMarple9> laugh [13:05] <becky920> Now, Expie... [13:05] <MafaldaWeasley> hhahaha Expie [13:05] <becky920> There's time enough for that later! [13:05] <Expelliarmas> moving on to chapter 10! [13:05] <Expelliarmas> Why was Harry safe on the train? Why wasn’t the guard necessary for the train trip to Hogwarts? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:06] <JaneMarple9> no idea [13:06] <becky920> We don't really know there weren't guards on the train, do we? [13:06] <Sophia40> there not a witch or wizard that hasn't gone bad from the house of slythrin [13:06] <NYBookworm> maybe the train has some of it's own protections [13:06] <becky920> Maybe there were. [13:06] <Kneazly> Maybe the train is protected in much the same way as Hogwarts itself. [13:06] <Poet> That's what I was thinking becky [13:06] <bemused> Perhaps the train has some kind of magical protection, as the school does [13:06] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, maybe he was protected [13:06] <JaneMarple9> I never understood all the protection on the way to the station [13:06] <leakylurker> dyes kneazly, dd's protections [13:06] <Kneazly> Snap, Bemused [13:06] <leakylurker> yes [13:06] <mollywobbles23> You can't apparate to or out of Hogwarts, so it's probably the same for the school train. [13:06] <bemused> teehee, Kneazly! [13:06] <MafaldaWeasley> DD seem to know everything about Harry's moves, so i would say he was protected [13:07] <Poet> It's very smart to protect the train, especially with pretty much all of the wizarding children traveling exposed for so long [13:07] <Aislinn> good point, poet [13:07] <becky920> For all we know, the witch with the trolley is in the Order. [13:07] <JaneMarple9> the train might had been protected yes [13:07] <JaneMarple9> thats a idea becky [13:07] <leakylurker> she could be a death eater too smile [13:07] <JaneMarple9> we see her in every book [13:07] <Expelliarmas> What did Moody know about owl post which would make him warn the kids not to put anything in writing which even appears worthy of interception as intelligence? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:07] <becky920> Touche, leakylurker! [13:08] <JaneMarple9> ssshhhhh Lurker smile [13:08] <Kneazly> Wonder what that trolley witch does the rest of the year? [13:08] <mollywobbles23> hmm [13:08] <mollywobbles23> good questions [13:08] <Pleshette> I think the train must have been protected, maybe. When Harry was in danger from Sirius in POA supposedly Lupin rode the train to possibly protect Harry [13:08] <becky920> Moody's just being a good cop. [13:08] <Poet> Dobby stopped Harry's mail, so we've seen it can be done [13:08] <becky920> It makes sense their mail and other communique might be watched. [13:08] <MafaldaWeasley> he was keen on spying thing, and this is very obvious really [13:08] <JaneMarple9> works in Honeydukes perhaps? smile [13:08] <leakylurker> I think it would be the same as muggle mail, too easy to tamper with [13:08] <becky920> Just because Moody's paranoid doesn't mean he didn't have a good point! [13:08] <Expelliarmas> It's a bit of foreshadowing; the owls are intercepted aren't they [13:08] <Aislinn> i think he just knows that any form of communication has its vulnerabilities, in times of war [13:09] <MafaldaWeasley> he would have warned them about it's obvious smile [13:09] <mollywobbles23> he's also a little paranoid [13:09] <JaneMarple9> yes it is easy to tamper with letters - even wizarding letters. Owls can be,,,,,detained! [13:09] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah Molly [13:09] <JaneMarple9> a little Molly? smile [13:09] <MafaldaWeasley> I love him haha [13:10] <becky920> Seems kind of foolish really to rely on owls for communication. [13:10] <Expelliarmas> Why did Jo have Ron and Hermione sitting in the prefects’ carriage away from Harry? What impact did this have on Harry? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:10] <Kneazly> Can owls be tracked...so that someone could "follow" the owls to find a hiding place? yet no one worried about contacting Sirius befor [13:10] <becky920> What if they are detained, lost, injured, slow, etc.? [13:10] <JaneMarple9> so that Luna could be introduced properly? [13:10] <leakylurker> he needs to start surviving on his own [13:10] <Poet> Harry gets out of his comfort zone and gets to know other students [13:10] <becky920> Ron and Hermione are hugely important to Harry. [13:10] <Aislinn> It shows his dependence on them, for one thing [13:10] <leakylurker> its nice to see him interact withothers [13:10] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, jane and to show that he's alone in a level [13:10] <becky920> We're going to see him stripped of just about everything he cares about in this book... including them. [13:10] <bemused> It helps him to understand how important they are to him [13:11] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps to set the surroundings of Harry, Ginny Luna and Neville [13:11] <Aislinn> as well as the fact that he has not yet matured enough to not care what others think about the people he is with [13:11] <Expelliarmas> It was time for Harry to get to know some more peeps [13:11] <leakylurker> and to see him and GInny together without ron! [13:11] <Pleshette> He needed to learn that he can depend on others for friendship, loyalty etc. [13:11] <bemused> and also to see he can manage without them [13:11] <Poet> To show that he's both alone and that he has an extended group outside of the trio that he can rely on [13:11] <Pleshette> not just Ron and Hermione [13:11] <Aislinn> big contrast between his reaction to being seen with neville and luna in this story and in the next book [13:11] <JaneMarple9> we don't know many ravenclaws either - except for Cho [13:11] <Sophia40> It was away to start him relying on his own abilities [13:11] <leakylurker> yes aislinn, and i love that contrast [13:11] <Kneazly> Interesting that Ginny stayed with him--before she's always gone off to find her own friends. I think she understood Harry needed someone [13:11] <Aislinn> me too, leaky [13:11] <mollywobbles23> 1) Harry feels even more lonely 2) We meet Luna and spend time with Neville and Ginny without Hermione and Ron there to hog Harry's attention [13:12] <JaneMarple9> the trio is begining to do their own things [13:12] <JaneMarple9> but still united too [13:12] <leakylurker> this is when I start to love ginny [13:12] <becky920> Me, too. [13:12] <Pleshette> smile [13:12] <Expelliarmas> The Quibbler seems to be something of an alternative publication. What was the significance of the articles within it? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:12] <becky920> I love that she sticks up for Neville and treats Luna like a human. [13:12] <JaneMarple9> yeah Ginny comes into her own in book 5 [13:12] <paudie> yeah me too she's an amazing character [13:12] <Sophia40> JKR commmented on this Aislinn [13:12] <mollywobbles23> comic relief [13:12] <JaneMarple9> yes comic relief [13:12] <bemused> Independent thought... [13:12] <mollywobbles23> except for pehaps the reference to runes... [13:13] <Poet> Jo certainly had fun with them. It also helps us to start to see Fudge in a bad light. It reminds us of the goblins as well [13:13] <JaneMarple9> I don't take much notice of the Quibbler myself! [13:13] <MafaldaWeasley> Maybe communication through long distance [13:13] <leakylurker> many tabloid stories have an ounce of truth... [13:13] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, I think it was introduced as an independent source of information, outside of ministry control [13:13] <Pleshette> "Goblin Crusher" Fudge lol [13:13] <MafaldaWeasley> like codes or something, among all the blabbers [13:13] <Expelliarmas> Nice to know there is an independent source of information [13:13] <JaneMarple9> thats a point Molly - runes could be significant [13:13] <Expelliarmas> no matter how wacky it is [13:13] <Kneazly> It parallels Luna herself--dismissed as dotty, but actually a pretty solid person [13:13] <Sophia40> Truth under the truth. [13:13] <Poet> And it prepares us for the further problems with the Daily Prophet [13:13] <Aislinn> which becomes important later, for harry to get his story out to the wider wizarding world [13:14] <bemused> Exactly, Aislinn [13:14] <becky920> I thought it was funny Kingsley had a copy for Sirius. Sort of like how the guys in Men in Black read trashy tabloids to find out where the aliens are. [13:14] <Expelliarmas> Why did Ron make it clear he would not enjoy sitting in the prefects’ carriage and that he wasn’t Percy? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:14] <Poet> To show his strong loyalty to Harry [13:14] <JaneMarple9> because he is ashamed of percy [13:14] <leakylurker> ashamed yes jane [13:14] <bemused> Because the twins have given him something of a complex about this [13:14] <mollywobbles23> I like what bemused said about independent thought. Since in this book the Ministry is pretty much trying to control thought, the Quibbler represents a refusal to go along with mainstream thought or prescribed thought. [13:14] <JaneMarple9> he doesn't want to be assosiated with percy [13:14] <Sophia40> becky I thought the same thing "if you really want to know [13:14] <JaneMarple9> after the massive argrument [13:14] <Aislinn> exactly molly [13:14] <MafaldaWeasley> haha, i think he didn't want to leave Harry on his own and he doesn't want to look like a nerd [13:15] <Kneazly> Fred and George's influence--doesn't want to be a "prat" [13:15] <bemused> He doesn't want 'prefect' to equal 'Percy' [13:15] <Poet> I agree MafaldaWeasley [13:15] <Aislinn> yeah, that was my thought too, mafalda [13:15] <mollywobbles23> He didn't want Harry to think he would have fun without him; that his idea of fun is not talking school rules with a bunch of Hermiones [13:15] <JaneMarple9> he half loves being a Prefect - but sometimes wonders if Fred and George are right about prefects [13:15] <Pleshette> I think he was trying to make Harry feel good [13:15] <mollywobbles23> lol [13:15] <Pleshette> he knew Harry felt left out [13:15] <becky920> He was being considerate of Harry, which I thought was sweet [13:15] <Aislinn> yes, Pleshette , that too [13:15] <Expelliarmas> I think it also dawned on Ron that Harry was going to be on his own [13:16] <leakylurker> yes pleshette he was being kind [13:16] <JaneMarple9> like if he was a prefect, he was pretty boring [13:16] <Sophia40> Percy enjoyed all the Prefect Perks but Ron not like that [13:16] <Poet> Ron cares a lot about what others think of him, especially his friends. This isn't bad in any way, it's just part of being a member of a large family. You don't like being compared [13:16] <JaneMarple9> yes sophia [13:16] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, poet. [13:16] <Expelliarmas> Why was Neville so hesitant to go into an occupied carriage? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:16] <mollywobbles23> who was in it? [13:16] <leakylurker> shy [13:16] <bemused> Because of who was occupying it [13:16] *** mdbennett has joined #lounge [13:16] <leakylurker> doesn't feel accepted by thers [13:16] <Poet> Neville is an only child and has been protected. I think meeting new people makes him nervous [13:16] <Sophia40> Unsure of himself [13:17] <leakylurker> others [13:17] <becky920> Neville's got very low self-esteem [13:17] <MafaldaWeasley> because people can be bad at him and many times do pranks on him [13:17] <Poet> too true too true [13:17] <Aislinn> I think that Luna scares the bejeezus out of him [13:17] <bemused> She did look odd, bless her [13:17] <becky920> And I think he's afraid of rejection [13:17] <paudie> yeah i'd say it's a shyness thing [13:17] <Poet> Luna speaks her mind. It is really unnerving at times [13:17] <leakylurker> poor neville [13:17] <Expelliarmas> poor Neville! he needs confidence boosters in the worst way! [13:17] <leakylurker> he needs a hug [13:18] <Sophia40> Very opinionated that Luna is! [13:18] <bemused> He tries not to be noticed - and Luna is very conspicuous [13:18] <Aislinn> he got some, I think, over the course of this book and the next [13:18] <Expelliarmas> Speaking of Luna ... What were your thoughts upon first meeting Luna? Did she deserve the moniker of Loony? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:18] <Kneazly> His grandmother doesn't exactly make him think everyone is going to respect him [13:18] <JaneMarple9> hug Neville hug [13:18] <becky920> Luna cracks me up. [13:18] <becky920> I love her, dottiness and all. [13:18] <MafaldaWeasley> Yes she did haha [13:18] <JaneMarple9> I'd give him a hug any day! [13:18] <Aislinn> yes, she does, bless her heart [13:18] <Poet> Yes, she deserves it, but I love her for it. [13:18] <bemused> Luna''s brave enough to be herself [13:18] <JaneMarple9> Luna is a great character [13:18] <becky920> I don't think anyone deserves a name like that, though. [13:18] <leakylurker> i love people like luna, but I can see how she could be ostrasized by the mainstream [13:18] *** bubblehead has joined #lounge [13:18] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree bemused [13:18] <Aislinn> hi bubblehead [13:18] <becky920> Kids can be cruel. [13:18] <mollywobbles23> Yes, but "loony" doesn't have a pejorative meaning to me because I think she's fantastic! [13:18] <Kneazly> Very eccentric, but doesn't seem to care what others think. Independent minded. [13:19] <JaneMarple9> she's dotty, but there are wise words within the dottiness [13:19] <bubblehead> hi everyone [13:19] <MafaldaWeasley> kids are cruel many times [13:19] <bemused> No - she doesn't deserve the name, but her parents let her in for that by calling her Luna [13:19] * mollywobbles23 can't wait to see Evanna as Luna! [13:19] <JaneMarple9> you have to really think what Luna is saying [13:19] <Kneazly> She's chosen a difficult road as an adolescent, but seems to handle it well. [13:19] <JaneMarple9> because she is usually right! [13:19] <paudie> yeah her observations are strange how much she knows about people [13:19] <Aislinn> her strength and intelligence, even with the dottiness, is a real asset to Harry [13:19] <Poet> Hi bubblehead, Expelliarmas just asked us about what we thought of Luna when we first met her [13:20] <leakylurker> I think she is a good influence on harry [13:20] <bemused> She's eccentric - but she's also very much aware of the world around her and she sees a lot [13:20] <bubblehead> oooh. I love Luna. [13:20] <Expelliarmas> “Wit beyond measure is man’s greatest treasure.” (US, ppb, p. 186). Why does Luna say this? What purpose did this serve? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:20] <becky920> But for all we know, there might really be wrackspurts and nargles in the wizarding world. [13:20] <JaneMarple9> Luna wouldn't be as nice a character if she wasn't called Luna! [13:20] <Kneazly> She's remarkably sensible for someone who seems eccentric [13:20] <bemused> It sounded rather like a motto for Ravenclaw when she said it [13:20] <Aislinn> It did, bemused [13:20] <Poet> Ravenclaws seem rather proud of their wit [13:20] <JaneMarple9> I am thinking it is foreshadowing [13:20] <Expelliarmas> I have no idea what to make of that little singsong of hers [13:20] <MafaldaWeasley> that's my thought bemused [13:20] <becky920> Almost like she was quoting something. [13:21] <bubblehead> I think Luna said that because she's proud of her house [13:21] <Kneazly> It is a quote from one of the sorting songs, isn't it? [13:21] <Sophia40> My thoughts Bemused [13:21] <JaneMarple9> because Jo has said ravenclaw will have their day [13:21] <MafaldaWeasley> or something her father tells he frequently [13:21] <mollywobbles23> Yeah, it sounded like she was quoting [13:21] <leakylurker> I thought is was from the sorting hat, but I looked it up and it is NOT [13:21] <mollywobbles23> Maybe something either her father or her mother said [13:22] <bubblehead> Harry missed the sorting the year she was sorted so we don't know that year's song [13:22] <JaneMarple9> it does sound like quoting someone or something yes [13:22] <Poet> I hope it's a saying of Rowena Ravenclaw herself [13:22] <mdbennett> yes! [13:22] <JaneMarple9> great idea Poet! [13:22] <Sophia40> Her Head of House maybe [13:22] <JaneMarple9> who is head of ravenclaw??? [13:22] <becky920> It does sound like something Flitwick might say, doesn't it [13:22] <leakylurker> put it on the list of things we will probably never know [13:22] <Aislinn> she does say it right after Ginny mentions that luna is in Ravenclaw house, so it makes sense it would be a quote for the house [13:23] <becky920> Flitwick is head of Ravenclaw [13:23] <JaneMarple9> interesting [13:23] <leakylurker> flitwick [13:23] <Sophia40> Oh Rowena that the ticket!! [13:23] <Expelliarmas> Why did Neville proclaim himself to be “nobody”? Why did Ginny correct Neville’s self-proclamation of being “nobody”? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:23] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [13:23] <Aislinn> that is his view of himself, which is so sad sad [13:23] <bemused> He has no self-esteem, poor lad [13:23] <JaneMarple9> I wouldn't had thought flitwick would have said that so I am going for Rowena [13:23] <bubblehead> he lacks self confidence [13:23] <JaneMarple9> poor Neville [13:23] <leakylurker> doesn't like the attention [13:23] <Aislinn> and Ginny correcting him showed her compassion [13:23] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [13:24] <Kneazly> Neville's lack of self-esteem, plus a measure of not wanting to be identified in future by Luna [13:24] <becky920> Ginny's really thoughtful like that. [13:24] <MafaldaWeasley> I think this shows how bad is grandma did to him by comparing him to his father. if he's not like his father, he's nobody [13:24] <mollywobbles23> Yeah, that's what he thought of himself and Ginny knows better. Despite his stepping on her feet, I bet she had a blast with him at the ball. [13:24] <becky920> It's a lot like when Harry told Neville he was worth 12 of Malfoy back in the first book. [13:24] <leakylurker> good but sad point, mafalda [13:24] <becky920> Neville needed to hear it. [13:24] <mdbennett> That is what he thinks ...Ginny tells him others view not like his own [13:24] <Sophia40> Ginny is such a match for Harry Can you feel the love [13:24] <JaneMarple9> he does lack confidence - he is jeered at by most of the school exceot for gryffindors [13:24] <Pleshette> Have to run. bye everyone [13:24] <Aislinn> yes, becky [13:24] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [13:24] <Aislinn> bye Pleshette [13:24] <MafaldaWeasley> bye Pleshette [13:24] <bemused> Bye Pleshette [13:24] <mollywobbles23> bye [13:24] <JaneMarple9> neville has to hear that he is just as good as everyone else [13:25] <Poet> everyone seemed to be introduced as being special for something - Neville has no siblings or anything else special to introduce himself as [13:25] *** leakylurker has quit [Bye] [13:25] <JaneMarple9> because his parents can't tell him sad [13:25] <becky920> ((((Neville)))) I just want to hug him [13:25] <bubblehead> it's in Ginny's character to say something like that [13:25] <JaneMarple9> yes Neville doesn't have a special talent except at herbolgy [13:25] <Expelliarmas> What was the purpose the Mimbulus Mimbletonia? Why did Neville get that as a birthday present? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:25] <Kneazly> Ginny is accepting of both Neville and Ginny [13:26] <Sophia40> His envolvment with the DA is so good for him [13:26] <JaneMarple9> i am really interested in this [13:26] <becky920> Hehe... Uncle Algie or Uncle Algae *snort* [13:26] <paudie> bye pleshette, yah it's like everyone is saying serious need of hugs! [13:26] <MafaldaWeasley> Me too Jane [13:26] <Poet> That plant is very strange. It does help lead us toward him being good in that subject [13:26] <Expelliarmas> what an odd birthday present! [13:26] <Poet> and a future teacher [13:26] <bemused> Because of his interest in herbology [13:26] <JaneMarple9> because in my reading group they say it is foreshadowing [13:26] <becky920> Odd for Harry... not odd for Neville who's good at herbology [13:26] <mollywobbles23> to show his growing interest in herbology [13:26] <Poet> yes [13:26] <JaneMarple9> because it might help his parents recover [13:26] <bemused> but someone in our room came up witht he idea that the sap has magical powers [13:27] <JaneMarple9> yes bemused! [13:27] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm very interested on that Plant [13:27] <Expelliarmas> i wonder what it says about his uncle to give him that gift (i thnk he also gave him Trevor) [13:27] <JaneMarple9> that what i meant [13:27] <Sophia40> Forshadowing What JaneMarple [13:27] <bemused> and that those who were soaked with it were the ones who could hear the voices beyond the veil [13:27] <becky920> I think we'll see it again, for sure [13:27] *** Puzzlepiece has quit [Bye] [13:27] <Aislinn> yes, shows his aptitude in Herbology, and it gave a backdrop for Harry to be embarassed in front of Cho [13:27] <JaneMarple9> hey expie! you're right! [13:27] <bubblehead> It was his uncle's way of supporting his talent maybe? [13:27] <becky920> Ooooh, I hadn't noticed that, bemused [13:27] <Poet> Most magical plants are considered so because they have something special that's good for a use elsewere in the magical world - I wouldn't be surprised [13:27] <bemused> It does work... [13:28] <JaneMarple9> never thought of that before expie. Uncle Algie seems very generous to neville [13:28] <becky920> I'm glad someone is taking an interest in him at home. [13:28] <Expelliarmas> Why did Harry wish Cho had walked in on him surrounded by a group of cool people? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:28] <MafaldaWeasley> ahh interesting bemuse...but i think they heard voices cause they understood death [13:28] <becky920> His grandmother means well, but... [13:28] <Aislinn> that is an intriguing theory [13:28] <JaneMarple9> because he likes cho [13:28] <becky920> That just shows us how much more Harry needs to grow, I think [13:28] *** bemused has quit [Bye] [13:28] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:28] <Poet> He wants her to like him, and if she likes the people he's around, that's helpful [13:28] <JaneMarple9> and is embarassed [13:28] <Aislinn> yes, becky, I agree [13:28] <becky920> He's still immature [13:29] <bubblehead> he wants to impress her because she's popular and pretty [13:29] <JaneMarple9> very immature at times - doesn't know how to deal with girls [13:29] <bemused> Am I back? [13:29] <Expelliarmas> Harry would love to impress the hosepipe [13:29] <mollywobbles23> because when you're that age you want your crush to associate you with being cool...also Harry still has some growing to do, which he does. I love the train scene in HBP with Romilda Vane. [13:29] <Aislinn> you are [13:29] <Expelliarmas> you're back, bemused [13:29] <MafaldaWeasley> i can see you bemuse [13:29] <bemused> thanks! [13:29] <Expelliarmas> !halfop bemused [13:29] <paudie> hi bemused [13:29] <mdbennett> he is still comparing himself to Cedric [13:29] <JaneMarple9> Harry's deserves better than Cho though [13:29] <Aislinn> me too, molly - it shows so well how harry has grown [13:30] <MafaldaWeasley> yes mdbennett [13:30] <Expelliarmas> What was Dumbledore thinking or drinking when he made Malfoy and Parkinson prefects? Why were they chosen? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:30] <JaneMarple9> i think it was the head of houses [13:30] <MafaldaWeasley> because they represent the qualiities of that house [13:30] <bubblehead> I wonder that too [13:30] <paudie> best of a bad lot maybe [13:30] <MafaldaWeasley> Malfoy is not stupid at all This post has been edited by Poet: Apr 7 2007, 02:31 PM |
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[13:31] <becky920> Madam Rosmerta's finest honeyed mead
[13:31] <Expelliarmas> that doesnt say much for Slytherin, Mafalda [13:31] <JaneMarple9> who choose the prefects more [13:31] <mollywobbles23> lol "or drinking" [13:31] <Poet> Perhaps wishful thinking [13:31] * becky920 couldn't resist [13:31] <MafaldaWeasley> adn he has skills as wizard as well, [13:31] <JaneMarple9> perhaps so paudie! [13:31] <Aislinn> they have shown themselves to be the leaders of that house, and again, if the Heads of House make recommendations, snape probably recommended them [13:31] <mdbennett> maybe giving Malfoy chance to something good? [13:31] <mollywobbles23> because they could better control the Slytherins [13:31] <bemused> He might have been hoping for better from Draco... [13:31] <MafaldaWeasley> not really Expie [13:31] * Expelliarmas thinks DD was drinking a couple of bottles of firewhiskey [13:31] <becky920> Who else would you have picked from Slytherin? [13:31] <MafaldaWeasley> haha [13:31] <mollywobbles23> and what mdbennett said [13:31] <JaneMarple9> yes mdbennet [13:31] <JaneMarple9> nobody biggrin [13:31] <becky920> I think no matter who was picked from Slytherin would have abused the poewr [13:31] <becky920> power [13:31] <bemused> If being a prefect could influence him [13:31] <Poet> I agree mdbennett - a chance to see what the best candidates do with the responsibility afforded them [13:31] <Expelliarmas> I would've loved crabbe or goyle as prefects [13:31] <mollywobbles23> We don't know enough about other Slytherins, other than Crabbe and Goyle, to choose [13:32] <Expelliarmas> Malfoy would've never recovered [13:32] <JaneMarple9> let there be six prefects instead of eight for a change! [13:32] <Expelliarmas> and Lucius would've died [13:32] <MafaldaWeasley> I think DD put him into spot. It is easier to watch a prefect, god knows if there are some charm on that badget [13:32] <Poet> Also, a way for Jo to put certin couples together (chuckle) [13:32] <becky920> Can you honestly see Crabbe and Goyle enforcing rules? I can't. [13:32] <bubblehead> Im gonna go. bye everyone! [13:32] <mdbennett> I would have loved to seen how Crabbe and Goyle would have done..could they be leaders? [13:32] *** bubblehead left #lounge [] [13:32] <Expelliarmas> I don't think they can read, becky [13:32] <MafaldaWeasley> bye [13:32] <becky920> Interesting idea, Mafalda [13:32] <bemused> But it does worry me about Slytherin - if they're all bad from age 11, what does that say about choices [13:32] <mollywobbles23> I can't see Crabbe and Goyle doing much of anything [13:32] <JaneMarple9> crabbe and goyle as prefects - you begin to think fred and george might be good prefects!! [13:32] <becky920> LOL, Expie [13:33] <becky920> They're not all bad. [13:33] <becky920> But they are all cunning. [13:33] <mollywobbles23> not all Slytherins are bad [13:33] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of Ron’s philosophy of getting Malfoy’s mates before he gets his? Is this an ethical use of his newfound power? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:33] <JaneMarple9> no molly [13:33] <mollywobbles23> They are cunning and ambitious [13:33] <MafaldaWeasley> Snape is right expie? [13:33] <Aislinn> not really, no [13:33] <becky920> No, it's not ethical. But Ron will learn. [13:33] <Poet> Typical of the Gryffindor / Slytherin rivalry [13:33] <JaneMarple9> but the only good slytherin we know is slughorn! [13:33] <mollywobbles23> we don't know enough of them to judge because Harry has already placed them all under the category of "evil" [13:33] <bemused> No - it's a typical boy's reaction [13:33] <Expelliarmas> Not ethical, but darned funny and perfect for kids that age [13:33] <becky920> Just like when I finally was a high school senior, I was mean to underclassmen for a couple of days. Then I realized it wasn't cool. [13:33] <mollywobbles23> so he wont' give them a chance [13:34] <MafaldaWeasley> It shows how cool is Ron. I would have done the smae [13:34] <JaneMarple9> he knew what malfoy was like [13:34] <MafaldaWeasley> hahah [13:34] <Poet> I think it's a lot of talk, though Ron may wish he could follow through [13:34] <JaneMarple9> he knew malfoy would be getting his mates, but I think it was just talk [13:34] <Poet> Ron doesn't always think before he speaks [13:34] <JaneMarple9> yes Poet exactly [13:34] <Expelliarmas> oh, I think Ron would enforce every rule he could think of against crabbe and goyle [13:34] <becky920> It reminds me of how Ron reacts to some of Harry's "prince" jinxes the next year. [13:35] <JaneMarple9> ron doesn't think....but when he does, it is always "interesting" remarks [13:35] <mollywobbles23> yep, but how much could he do to other houses? Prefects can only take points from their own house, right? [13:35] <Expelliarmas> Do you think Malfoy will do as Ron suggests he will, i.e., abuse his powers? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:35] <Aislinn> i don't think so, molly [13:35] <JaneMarple9> a LOT of points [13:35] <MafaldaWeasley> no, Molly, I think not, but I'm not sure [13:35] <becky920> No, I think prefects can take points from anyone except fellow prefects [13:35] <bemused> I thought prefects couldn't take points [13:35] <mollywobbles23> I think they can, but only from their own house. I swear Percy did earlier on [13:35] <JaneMarple9> Malfoy would have loved abusing his power! [13:35] <becky920> I know Malfoy will abuse his power. Are you kidding? Malfoy be fair? No way. [13:36] <bemused> Yes - Malfoy will [13:36] <mdbennett> I think both may abuse [13:36] <JaneMarple9> it would have been his dream [13:36] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [13:36] <Expelliarmas> Malfoy wouldn't just abuse his powers as to Harry's friends, he'd see the whole school as his play field [13:36] <mdbennett> true [13:36] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [13:36] <Poet> Purebloods certainly do seem to have a much more relaxed view about jinxing and hexing others. I do think Draco (and even Ron) would stretch the rules if they could. [13:36] <JaneMarple9> ron might have abused it - but for the good of gryffindor or ravenclaw oe hufflepuff [13:36] <becky920> Exactly, Expie [13:36] <mollywobbles23> then the Slytherins become part of the Inquisitorial squad: that's when he really begins to abuse his power. [13:36] <JaneMarple9> yes expie [13:37] <Expelliarmas> I think we see Malfoy abusing his powers right away when he picks on first years [13:37] <bemused> I wonder what Malfoy would be like to other Slytherins... [13:37] <Expelliarmas> Why did Luna laugh so much at Ron’s imitation of Goyle writing lines? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:37] <JaneMarple9> probably just high and mightly [13:37] <leakylurker> I am sure that Lucius is like that to other DEs [13:37] <mollywobbles23> she thinks he's cute [13:37] <JaneMarple9> I'm better than you  [13:37] <mdbennett> That was so funny [13:37] <mollywobbles23> it was funny, but she laughed too much [13:37] <becky920> I think she fancies Ron, a little -- until he's mean later [13:37] <Expelliarmas> I thought she was a bit taken with Ron [13:37] <mdbennett> baboon's backside [13:37] <Poet> Luna doesn't hold back what she thinks [13:38] <bemused> She does seem to connect with Ron [13:38] <JaneMarple9> because it was funny!! [13:38] *** JulianBH has joined #lounge [13:38] <leakylurker> I think it helps show that she is socially awkward [13:38] <Poet> good point leakylurker [13:38] <Aislinn> yes, leaky [13:38] <Expelliarmas> painfully awkward, leaky [13:38] <bemused> Yes, true [13:38] <becky920> I wonder how different Luna would be if her mother had lived into her teenage years [13:38] <MafaldaWeasley> maybe she's just like her mother becky [13:38] <bemused> Rather depends what her mother was like.... [13:39] <mollywobbles23> I know I did that when I was her age [13:39] <JaneMarple9> she would have been different i think [13:39] <paudie> oh yeah it would be great to know what her mother is like [13:39] <Expelliarmas> What was Malfoy’s purpose in visiting the carriage? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:39] <becky920> yes, but to have someone to go home and talk this sort of thing over with, I think... [13:39] <Kneazly> To lord it over Harry [13:39] <leakylurker> to gloat that he was a prefect [13:39] <becky920> girls need that [13:39] <JaneMarple9> to taunt harry what else! [13:39] <bemused> To drop the hint that he knew about Sirius [13:39] <becky920> because Malfoy's a git, of course [13:39] <Expelliarmas> yes, to let Harry know he saw Sirius [13:39] <JulianBH> mostly about sirius i think [13:39] <Poet> Easier to taunt others when there is no teacher around [13:39] <mdbennett> rub it in [13:39] <JaneMarple9> and also to put the fear of God into him - mentioning the dog [13:39] <JulianBH> malfoy can taunt harry any time he wants [13:39] <mollywobbles23> Malfoy is secretly in love with Harry....jk LOL [13:40] <JulianBH> although he does less of it in this book than in 1-4 i think [13:40] <paudie> bye folks [13:40] <becky920>  [13:40] <JulianBH> bye [13:40] <leakylurker> bye [13:40] <MafaldaWeasley> bye [13:40] <Expelliarmas> bye paudie [13:40] <JaneMarple9> Not funny Molly! biggrin [13:40] *** paudie left #lounge [] [13:40] <mollywobbles23> Nah, he just likes to taunt [13:40] <Kneazly> Dropping the hint about Sirius wasn't very smart--I'm sure LV would have preferred that Sirius not know he was recognized [13:40] <JaneMarple9> he loves winding people up [13:40] <Expelliarmas> Why didn’t Harry see the Thestrals before this year? Why didn’t he see them before this year? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:40] <JulianBH> yet another reasov for lv to be mad at the malfoys [13:40] <mollywobbles23> Admit it: until HBP we all thought Malfoy was just a harmless bully [13:40] <becky920> He's always liked to rub Harry's face in the fact that he knows more than Harry does [13:40] <JulianBH> i think JKR talked about this one [13:41] <mollywobbles23> yeah she did [13:41] <JulianBH> it took time for cedric's death to sink in [13:41] <becky920> She did, but I thought it was a cop out [13:41] <JulianBH> and he didn't SEE his parents die [13:41] <JulianBH> i thought so too [13:41] <MafaldaWeasley> She talked yeah, that was about the undersatanding of death [13:41] <mollywobbles23> Cedric's death hadn't sunk in yet and she didn't want to have to explain them at the end of a book [13:41] <JaneMarple9> hmmm kneazly - i think voldie would had been proud of draco about that [13:41] <leakylurker> me too becky,\ [13:41] <mollywobbles23> also, he didn't really see his mom die [13:41] <becky920> I think the reality is, she couldn't drop a bombshell like that without explaining it... and GoF was already long enough! [13:41] <Expelliarmas> Harry was in shock at the end of GoF, he wasn't taking in his surroundings at the end of the last year [13:41] <JaneMarple9> he might had thought about the future of draco [13:41] <Poet> He could have seen them at the end of Book 4 at the earliest, but it was the end of the book and it would have taken away from what was going on to stop and explain [13:41] <leakylurker> we have to give jo some slack [13:41] <JulianBH> yeah [13:41] <Expelliarmas> or, what becky said [13:42] <becky920> lol, expie... or what you said [13:42] <Sophia40> JKR said he never really saw anyone die and Cedrics deathhadn't sunk in at the of Gof [13:42] <JaneMarple9> ced's death hadn't sunk in [13:42] <JaneMarple9> exactly sophia [13:42] <becky920> He does seem to have gone through some issues over the summer -- dreaming about the graveyard and so on [13:42] <bemused> It's time I wasn't here - bye everyone! [13:42] <Kneazly> Bye Bemused [13:42] <Expelliarmas> bye bemused [13:42] <becky920> I think he's also trying not to think about it. [13:42] <becky920> Bye bemused [13:42] *** bemused left #lounge [] [13:42] <leakylurker> she could have made the end of GoF scene more chaotic so harry didnt' NOTICE the thesstrals, instead of it not sinking in [13:42] <MafaldaWeasley> bye bemused [13:43] <JaneMarple9> he has much more emotion than last july [13:43] <Expelliarmas> Sirius recklessly went to the train station as the black dog. Malfoy spotted him (which means he got his information from his Death Eater daddy). What did you think of Sirius’ behavior? What were the risks of his actions? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:43] <JaneMarple9> reckless [13:43] <becky920> Oh, Sirius. [13:43] <Aislinn> I think it was classic Sirius [13:43] <Sophia40> I wonder why Neville never mentioned before? [13:43] <JaneMarple9> but i didn't blame him! [13:43] <becky920> I love him, but he really isn't always acting like a grown-up. [13:43] <mollywobbles23> juvenile, but understandable. Sirius is a classic case of arrested development [13:43] <mdbennett> Crazy to get out of the house...I can relate [13:43] <leakylurker> neville probably thought everyone saw them [13:43] <leakylurker> so it wasn't an issue [13:43] <Poet> He could have still gone but not have been so friendly - it was reckless to chase after the train for sure [13:43] <JaneMarple9> not something neville would bring up [13:43] <MafaldaWeasley> Sirius was a crazy dude. Azkaban destroyed all the rest of sense he may had. It's normal he couldn't take any more prisions, if you know what I mean [13:43] <Aislinn> Remember, though, that he had successfully gone about Hogsmeade for an entire year as the dog [13:44] <JaneMarple9> he probably knew not many people had seen death [13:44] <Expelliarmas> The thought of being penned up again, after escaping Azkaban was too much for Sirius [13:44] <JaneMarple9> sirius couldn't stay in grimmauld place any more [13:44] <becky920> He really didn't think it through, though [13:45] <leakylurker> he is a giant bundle of emotion and pride, just like his godson [13:45] <Sophia40> He loves Harry and wants to be in his life, Harry has never really had "Family" see him off to school [13:45] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! The transcript for this chat can be found later today in the Corner Booth Forum: http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. And don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/Topic-poll-WWW-chat-4-18-t42996.html . [13:45] <Expelliarmas> This is where we start seeing Sirius as more emotional and less rational [13:45] <mollywobbles23> yeah, but now Voldemort (and therefore other DEs) know Sirius's animagus form b/c of Wormtail [13:45] <becky920> I think he had to live in the house or it might have "attacked" the order [13:45] <Aislinn> yes, expie [13:45] <Expelliarmas> well, in fairness, why didn't Peter sell out Sirius' animagus form during the first war [13:45] <MafaldaWeasley> wormtail, i hope he dies an horrible death [13:45] <becky920> but he just couldn't resist the chance to get out [13:45] <Sophia40> Wow the time has flown by [13:46] <JaneMarple9> sad it goes too quick! [13:46] <MafaldaWeasley> Because he would have to sell his own [13:46] <MafaldaWeasley> nobody knew he was animagus as well [13:46] <Expelliarmas> I think he would have been proud to say he was a rat animagus [13:46] <Sophia40> Wormtail owes Harry big [13:46] <JaneMarple9> ues sophia [13:46] <becky920> I think Wormtail would have sold him out before, but he must have waited until the last minute to betray his friends. [13:46] <becky920> The rat fink. [13:46] <Expelliarmas> Could Sirius have endangered the Weasleys, Lupin, Tonks, and Moody? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:46] <JaneMarple9> yes sophia [13:46] <Poet> Whether everyone knew Sirius was a dog or not...this shows that he is willing to leave the house and isn't being very careful. [13:46] <mollywobbles23> yes [13:46] <Poet> hmmm [13:47] <JaneMarple9> yes he cou;d [13:47] <Aislinn> how would it have endangered them? [13:47] <becky920> I certainly don't think he thought through that possibility. That his life wasn't the only one at stake. [13:47] <MafaldaWeasley> peeps, I must go! was nice to see you guys! [13:47] <Poet> I don't think so [13:47] <leakylurker> yes b/c if the DE kids knew he was an animagus, they now know all of the people that are protecting Sirius [13:47] <becky920> bye, MW [13:47] *** MafaldaWeasley left #lounge [] [13:47] <Kneazly> Yes--it shows there is some soret of allegiance among them. Bye Mafalda? [13:47] <JaneMarple9> could had revealed the headquarters [13:47] <Expelliarmas> Well, the Weasleys with a known member of the Order could have made them targets [13:47] <mollywobbles23> The Ministry is looking for Sirius...there's a black dog, Harry might be near...headquarters...... [13:47] <JaneMarple9> yes expie [13:47] <becky920> Much like before, the DE's could pick off order members one by one. Imagine if they kidnap Sirius and torture information out of him [13:48] <Poet> There wasn't much of a reason to target Sirius over other Order members - especially not at the beginning of the book [13:48] <Expelliarmas> Lucius could point that out to Fudge and Arthur would have been at risk from the Ministry [13:48] <JulianBH> the ministry could probably find them if they really wanted too [13:48] <Aislinn> the Ministry didn'tknow of his dog identity [13:48] <JulianBH> cant they detect wherever magic is cast? [13:48] <Aislinn> how would lucius have revealed that information, without revealing how he learned it? [13:48] <Sophia40> At this point the DE are just getting back together, [13:48] <Poet> Yes, but they only track under-age magic and mostly only in muggle houses [13:48] <Expelliarmas> which makes me wonder why Lucius didn't make the animagus information available to the Ministry [13:48] <JulianBH> no they track all magic [13:49] <Poet> Good point Expelliarmas [13:49] <JulianBH> that's why dobby's spell got recognized [13:49] <Expelliarmas> How do Sirius and Harry mirror each other as to their reckless and impulsive behavior? What drives them to act as they do? Is there anything Harry can do to manage this behavior? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:49] <JulianBH> and 12 grimmauld place WAS a muggle house, in the ministrys records, i think [13:49] <becky920> they probably had 12 GP registered as a wizarding residence from before. And their house-elf still lived ther.e [13:49] <Aislinn> how could he have done that, expie, without revealing his own dealings? [13:49] <Kneazly> How could Lucius explain how he knew about Sirius to Fudge? [13:49] <mollywobbles23> whoa...interesting that you say "mirror" [13:49] <becky920> Harry seems to act first and think later, too, sometimes [13:49] <Expelliarmas> Lucius could have let Fudge know of a rumor [13:50] <Expelliarmas> Fudge loves Lucius, he wouldn't question his source [13:50] <becky920> Like when he smarts off to Umbridge [13:50] <mdbennett> It reminds me when Harry left the Dursley's ...after the Marge thing [13:50] <Aislinn> passion drives their impulsivity [13:50] <mollywobbles23> I think Harry has already managed his behavior by the end of HBP. Look at how he handles Scrimgeour. [13:50] <Poet> I hope Harry has learned a little from Sirius' recklessness, but I'm not sure if he has [13:50] <Sophia40> Oh the Mirror Oh the Mirror [13:50] <mollywobbles23> Harry is a "man" now: Dumbledore's man, through and through...not boy [13:51] <Kneazly> They both have trouble managing strong emotions, but I think Harry grows beyond this in HBP [13:51] <leakylurker> passion and pride [13:51] <becky920> test [13:51] <Aislinn> yes molly [13:51] <leakylurker> hi becky [13:51] <Sophia40> Well said Molly [13:51] <becky920> I think he learns from Sirius, but not entirely. [13:51] <becky920> He does tell Kreacher to "get out" in HBP. [13:51] <JulianBH> no one could know the ramifications of that though [13:51] <Kneazly> He still admires Sirius, though [13:51] <becky920> have to wait and see [13:51] <mdbennett> He wll have to learn ...all of his "mentors" are leaving [13:52] <Expelliarmas> Does Harry's reckless streak also lead to his ability to make intuitive leaps? If Harry goes too far in moderating his behavior, does he risk losing this talent? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:52] <becky920> It was pretty impulsive of him... [13:52] <JulianBH> i think that was in ootp though, wasnt it? [13:52] <becky920> Great question. [13:52] <Aislinn> I don't think recklessness and intuition go hand in hand [13:52] <Poet> Harry will always have an advantage over Sirius - Harry was never locked up for years on end. Harry still has his friends close by and he listens to them. [13:52] <becky920> No, Harry to Kreacher in HBP... Sirius to Kreacher in OotP [13:52] <mdbennett> THere has to be a balance [13:52] <JulianBH> right [13:53] <becky920> I think Harry's got excellent instincts, but he also has a tendency to be impulsive [13:53] <mollywobbles23> I think Harry will be just fine [13:53] <JulianBH> wait, when does he tell kreacher to get out in hpb? [13:53] <mollywobbles23> He has Hermione and Ron [13:53] <Sophia40> It is all about the chioces He makes when facing dark times [13:53] <mdbennett> To know the difference between intuition and impulse [13:53] <becky920> after one of Kreacher's reports from tailing Malfoy [13:53] <Expelliarmas> Harry runs the ragged edge when he is at his best [13:53] <Aislinn> when the elves go to report to him on following draco, julian [13:53] <Kneazly> Harry can be reckless, but he does weight the odds usually--like when he considers whether Snape will come back if he looks in the Pensievve [13:53] <JulianBH> oh yeah. that wasn't reckless though really [13:53] <mdbennett> good example [13:54] <Aislinn> right, kneazly [13:54] <Poet> Harry's impulsivenss usually fairs him well. I do think Harry is learning how to protect himself and others - for instance having the DA watch out for Draco, but giving them Felix Felicis to help them [13:54] <becky920> Well, that was another moment of Harry's impulsivity that makes me cringe. Everytime I read the pensieve scene, I'm like, "don't do it, Harry!" [13:54] <JulianBH> yeah really [13:54] <Aislinn> and when he risked going into Umbridge's fire - he thought it through for a while first [13:54] <Kneazly> Oh , I agree Becky--but he does consider not doing it for a seconde [13:55] <mollywobbles23> only because Hermione forced him to, though Aislinn [13:55] <becky920> That was more an issue of self-preservation, though, in Umbridge's office. [13:55] <Poet> And there were others watching his back. he had a good plan in place [13:55] <Expelliarmas> Harry does have Hermione's voice in his head from time to time [13:55] <Sophia40> Where is the pensieve now? I wonder [13:55] <leakylurker> I hope harry gets it [13:55] <Aislinn> I think he would have thought about it anyway, molly [13:55] <becky920> That's what I mean about her being his superego. She's his voice of reason. [13:55] <becky920> (Ron is not.) [13:56] <Expelliarmas> Why did the Sorting Hat put Luna in Ravenclaw? Do you think she really fit into that House? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:56] <Kneazly> Yes, Becky. I think she'll keep reining him in, like she does at the end of the book. [13:56] <JaneMarple9> i think it will still be in mcgonagalls office the pensieve [13:56] <mollywobbles23> yes, I think she is really smart [13:56] <JaneMarple9> she's perfect for ravenclaw [13:56] <Poet> I'm not sure. Luna does value intelligence and thinking. [13:56] <Aislinn> yes, I think she is probably very bright, even if she does believe in imaginary things as well [13:56] <mollywobbles23> Geniuses are always crazy [13:56] *** JulianBH has quit [Bye] [13:56] <becky920> She's smart... sometimes bright can be quirky, you know? [13:56] <Kneazly> Being eccentric doesn't rule out being smart [13:56] *** JulianBH has joined #lounge [13:56] <leakylurker> yes molly! alwyas a bit eccentric [13:56] <JaneMarple9> and jo has always said ravenclaw will have their day [13:56] <Sophia40> Is not the property of DD [13:56] <becky920> Like a mad scientist [13:56] <mdbennett> She doesn't come across as a thinker but I think she is [13:57] <becky920> She really has good insights sometimes, especially into other people [13:57] <Kneazly> I think she's interested, perhaps like her mother, in why things work the way they do. [13:57] <JulianBH> yeah, like about ron in hpb [13:57] <JulianBH> "he's a bit inconsiderate sometimes" or something. [13:57] <Expelliarmas> Why was Harry's scar hurting at the end of chapter 9? (Chamber 29) [13:57] <JulianBH> harry always remarks about how she has good insights [13:57] <becky920> Refresh my memory... had he just been dreaming? [13:58] <Poet> He was dreaming about the corridor, correct? He was getting Voldemort vibes [13:58] <leakylurker> I forgot what happened at the end of the chpter [13:58] <JaneMarple9> all the emotion about ron becoming a prefect? [13:58] <Expelliarmas> and he had seen Molly's boggarts [13:58] <becky920> Oh, that's right. [13:58] <mollywobbles23> There's one type of thinking (I forget the term), but it's nonlinear. A person will connect two things that do not seem to be connected without an explanation, but they see it clearly and do not see a need for connecting the two any further because it is obvious to them: that's Luna. [13:58] <becky920> It seems like when he is all emotional and upset, he's more vulnerable to the connection to Voldy [13:58] <JaneMarple9> oooo Mollys boggart - that would make harrys scar hurt i think [13:58] <Kneazly> Good, Molly. [13:58] <Poet> it seems a bit like an electric shock when he gets Voldemort flashes - certainly would be painful [13:59] <JaneMarple9> couldn't have put it better becky [13:59] <becky920> Molly's boggart, seeing his parents smiling alongside Pettigrew in Moody's picture... [13:59] <Poet> Cheers! See you all tomorrow for the P3 chat. [13:59] <becky920> He'd had a rough day [13:59] <mdbennett> I have no clue,but who is in the potrait you can't see [13:59] <Aislinn> his scar hurts because of sommething that is happening to Voldy [13:59] <Aislinn> not his own emotions [13:59] <JaneMarple9> ((((everybody in the booth))))))) [13:59] <mdbennett> maybe LV is seeing through Harry eyes [13:59] <mollywobbles23> those people are creative....as for Harry's scar, I have no idea as I do not remember any specifics at the moment [13:59] <becky920> We'll find out later, mdbennett -- it's Phineas Nigellus [13:59] <Poet> The chat tomorrow is about the Trio chapter from harrypotterseven.com [13:59] <mollywobbles23> yay! [13:59] <leakylurker> bye everyone [13:59] <Aislinn> bye folks smile [13:59] <mollywobbles23> loved that oen [13:59] <mollywobbles23> one [14:00] <JaneMarple9> and a special (((Mollywobbles))) [14:00] <becky920> Great chat, everyone [14:00] <mollywobbles23> bye! [14:00] <Expelliarmas> thanks for coming everyone! [14:00] *** leakylurker has quit [Bye] [14:00] <mollywobbles23> awww, Jane! hug [14:00] <Poet> It's from 3-5pm Eastern U.S. time. See you then! [14:00] <JaneMarple9> take care everybidy bye1 [14:00] <Kneazly> Bye all [14:00] <Sophia40> Because he relized that it was some how connected to LV and LV was happy about Molly [14:00] <mdbennett> bye [14:00] <mollywobbles23> bye everyone! [14:00] <JaneMarple9> everybody too! [14:00] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:00] *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [14:00] <Poet> The booth is closing up now. (Group hug) [14:00] *** Kneazly left #lounge [] [14:00] *** mdbennett has quit [Bye] [14:00] <JulianBH> bye everybody [14:00] *** becky920 left #lounge [] [14:00] *** JulianBH has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by Poet: Apr 7 2007, 02:34 PM |
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