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Prongs Patronus, and SoonerGryffindor [11:46] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [11:48] *** joccie_potter has joined #lounge [11:49] *** Poet has joined #lounge [11:52] *** joccie_potter left #lounge [] [12:00] <Poet> Hi SoonerGryffindor [12:01] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [12:01] <Poet> Hi DumbleDebbie [12:01] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [12:02] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:02] <Poet> Can you talk now? [12:02] <DumbleDebbie> hello? [12:02] <DumbleDebbie> yay! [12:02] <Poet> ahhh [12:02] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [12:03] *** Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [12:03] <DumbleDebbie> hi Ringo [12:03] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [12:03] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:03] *** Poet has joined #lounge [12:03] <Ringo2000> Hey All [12:03] <Spectre> still, hi all smile [12:03] <JaneMarple9> hello everybody!!!!!!!!!!!! [12:03] <DumbleDebbie> hi spetre [12:03] <Ringo2000> Hey Jane biggrin [12:03] <DumbleDebbie> hi Jane [12:03] <JaneMarple9> it's saturday w00t2! [12:03] <DumbleDebbie> thanks for giving me "voice" Poet smile [12:03] <Ringo2000> I know! [12:03] <Poet> welcome smile [12:04] <Ringo2000> hey, poet [12:04] <Poet> hi Ringot [12:04] <Poet> Ringo [12:04] <DumbleDebbie> I was typing in a barrel there for a minute [12:04] <DumbleDebbie> wink [12:04] <DumbleDebbie> so how is everyone? [12:04] <Ringo2000> Im great you? [12:05] <Spectre> well [12:05] <DumbleDebbie> very good smile [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> How is everyone this morning? [12:05] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [12:05] <DumbleDebbie> great smile [12:05] <Spectre> You call this "morning"? biggrin [12:05] <Ringo2000> What are the chapters today? [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> er [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> it is where I am :P [12:05] <DumbleDebbie> 'morning' is a state of mind wink [12:05] <Poet> Middle of the night for me normally [12:05] <Spectre> heh, and it's well into evening down here smile [12:05] <Ringo2000> It's evening here [12:06] <DumbleDebbie> considering I just consumed brunch, morning is close enough [12:06] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, it just turned noon here just a few minutes ago, so technically it is afternoon here, but just barely [12:06] <Ringo2000> and Im watching Kelly Clarkson ripping open a pillow... ohmy [12:06] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [12:06] <Poet> I'm eating breakfast and my sister is making lunch [12:06] <Ringo2000> (dont ask...) [12:06] <DumbleDebbie> don't tell? [12:06] <Ringo2000> brunch [12:06] <DumbleDebbie> wink [12:06] <Ringo2000> :P [12:06] <Ringo2000> hahaha [12:06] <Ringo2000> so...which ootp chapters are these? [12:06] <DumbleDebbie> lol Poet, are you both in the same time zone? [12:07] <SoonerGryffindor> 21 and 22 [12:07] <Poet> Yep, I'm in the middle of the U.S. [12:07] <Ringo2000> The Eye of the Serpent? [12:07] * SoonerGryffindor is right below Poet [12:07] <Ringo2000> or have I gone to far ahead [12:07] <DumbleDebbie> I'm still way behind in posting in my RG, but I have read the entire book recently [12:07] * Poet looks over at Sooner [12:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I forgot the names Ringo [12:07] <SoonerGryffindor> but its 21 and 22 [12:07] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:07] <DumbleDebbie> starting a RG a month behind stinks [12:07] <Ringo2000> ah ok [12:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi bemused [12:08] <Ringo2000> I have been lacking in mine sad [12:08] <bemused> Hello Debbie! [12:08] <Ringo2000> It's a great group aswell [12:08] <JaneMarple9> eye of the snake is chap 21 [12:08] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks Jane [12:08] <DumbleDebbie> I'm chipping away at the chapters. I think I'm up to 15 posting-wise [12:08] <Ringo2000> oooo what a guess [12:08] <DumbleDebbie> hi huebbe [12:08] <huebbe> Hello All! [12:08] <Ringo2000> thanks Jane smile [12:08] <JaneMarple9> and chap 22 is something else biggrin [12:08] <DumbleDebbie> lol Jane [12:08] <Ringo2000> Hi huebbe [12:09] <DumbleDebbie> she didn't name 2 consecutive chapters the same thing? how odd [12:09] <DumbleDebbie> wink [12:09] <Ringo2000> ahh Im doing a CoC Discussion tommorow, so i better get influenced of the CB Team biggrin [12:09] <DumbleDebbie> write down the questions eh Ringo? wink [12:10] <Ringo2000> hahahaha biggrin nah not really [12:10] <huebbe> is there a topic or are we just starting? [12:10] <Ringo2000> starting soon I think... [12:10] <DumbleDebbie> we usually start at 15 after [12:10] <Poet> Starting in about 5 minutes [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, we start in 5 [12:10] <huebbe> oh splendid! [12:10] *** hblevins32 has joined #lounge [12:10] <DumbleDebbie> hi hblevins [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> so talk amongst yourselves [12:10] <Poet> Discussing Order of the Phoenix , chapters 21-22 [12:10] <huebbe> hi hblevins [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [12:10] <JaneMarple9> ch 22 - st mungos hospital [12:10] <DumbleDebbie> blah, blah, blah wink [12:10] <Ringo2000> Thanks Jane! biggrin [12:11] <JaneMarple9> that would have been bugging me for ages! [12:11] <DumbleDebbie> so self, how are you? why I'm fine self, how are you? wink [12:11] *** hblevins32 has quit [Bye] [12:11] <DumbleDebbie> what Jane? the chapter? [12:11] <JaneMarple9> yes, the title of it smile [12:11] <huebbe> Oh, one of my students (as a departing gift) just gave me a Gryffindor scarf! it is fantastic [12:11] <Poet> cool [12:11] <DumbleDebbie> aha, good thing someone posted it then [12:12] <Ringo2000> oh thats nice [12:12] <huebbe> my whol room is decorated in HP stuff [12:12] <DumbleDebbie> awwww, that's cute huebbe [12:12] <huebbe> I even have a 6 foot tall Harry! [12:12] <Poet> wow [12:12] <DumbleDebbie> my, he is growing up! [12:12] <Ringo2000> all I need is the books 1 - 6, a computer and a mug of hot chocolate and Im equipt for HP [12:12] <DumbleDebbie> wink [12:12] <bemused> crumbs... that must be larger than life [12:12] <huebbe> One of my studetns stole it from a movie opening! SHHHHH [12:12] <DumbleDebbie> BWAHAHAHA!!! [12:12] <Ringo2000> whoah bemused [12:12] <Ringo2000> where did you come from? [12:12] <DumbleDebbie> so much for that little secret [12:13] <huebbe> he does get sort of scary though if your not used to him [12:13] *** paudie has joined #lounge [12:13] <bemused> I've been lurking quietly here Ringo... [12:13] <DumbleDebbie> do you have him under and Imperious or somethign huebbe? [12:13] <DumbleDebbie> hi paudie [12:13] <Ringo2000> has everyone been having fun at the shrieking shack? [12:13] <huebbe> lol [12:13] *** Shoshana has joined #lounge [12:13] <Ringo2000> this Frogger came is addicting... [12:13] <DumbleDebbie> hi shoshana [12:13] <JaneMarple9> hello all who has come in smile [12:13] <huebbe> no...he just knew his teacher was a harry freak [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the shreiking shack [12:13] <Shoshana> hey [12:13] <paudie> hi everyone [12:13] <huebbe> hi paudie [12:13] <DumbleDebbie> wow, Frogger?!? there's a blast from the past [12:14] <Ringo2000> hahaha I do too [12:14] <Ringo2000> you get sucked in to it [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> but I spend to much time there some days [12:14] <Ringo2000> lol [12:14] <Ringo2000> I think you both got the right cue there [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> just a bit of lag on my end laugh [12:15] <Poet> I lag too smile [12:15] <DumbleDebbie> s'ok Poet's had a typo [12:15] <DumbleDebbie> oopsey [12:15] <DumbleDebbie> lag stinks [12:15] <Poet> yes, i'm very sleepy and not typing well today [12:15] <Ringo2000> -yawns- [12:15] <SoonerGryffindor> ready everyone? [12:15] <DumbleDebbie> I can understand that [12:15] <Spectre> yes [12:15] <Ringo2000> im ready to rumble [12:15] <DumbleDebbie> yup [12:15] <huebbe> yeap! [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [12:16] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat [12:16] <Poet> The Toad inspects Hagrid during a Thestral lesson–which Hermione would love to see. Ron surprises Harry–he’s supposed to spend Christmas at the Burrow. After the last DA meeting of the term, Cho lingers, sobs, and kisses Harry. Hermione writes to Krum. Harry vividly dreams he’s a snake and he attacks Arthur at the Ministry. McGonagall believes Harry–they set off to see Dumbledore [12:16] <Poet> Harry tells Dumbledore about the serpent attack on Arthur. Dumbledore mobilizes Arthur’s rescue and sends Harry and the Weasleys to Grimmauld Place. Eye contact with Dumbledore makes Harry’s scar burn and he thinks of biting Dumbledore. Sirius orders Kreacher “Out!” As Kreacher leaves, he overhears Harry’s tale. Arthur survives and they all visit him. Moody thinks Harry might be possessed [12:17] <Poet> Thanks to Room 18–The Atrium and Room 62442–The Brain Room for the introduction. Ready? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 21 and 22. [12:17] <Poet> What does the snowball hitting Ron in the face tell you about his relationship with Fred and George? Is it good-natured or more malicious? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:17] <DumbleDebbie> hi becky [12:17] <Ringo2000> Hey Becky [12:17] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [12:17] <becky920> hello all! [12:17] <DumbleDebbie> hi kaelgirl [12:17] <Ringo2000> I think it is just some brother thing [12:17] <Ringo2000> Its typical Fred and George [12:17] <kaelgirl> hey people [12:17] <DumbleDebbie> it seems like a typical sibling thing [12:18] <huebbe> it is all in good fun [12:18] <DumbleDebbie> I've been known to throw a snowball or 2 in my day devil2 [12:18] <Ringo2000> whether its there Mother or Grandmother's Bingo Friend..they are always playing jokes on people [12:18] <bemused> they do needle him a lot, but I'm sure they'd be on his side if there was anything worng [12:18] <Poet> It was quite humorous actually [12:18] <bemused> *wrong [12:18] <Spectre> F&G probably used Ron as the first "target practice" for their pranks, so Ron wasn't particularly fond of that, I think smile [12:18] <Poet> And the timing couldn't be more perfect [12:18] <becky920> It seems like everytime Ron tries to be in charge, it blows up in his face. He should have known it was them! [12:18] <Ringo2000> true, becky [12:18] <huebbe> I think if Ron ever really needed them they would do anything for Ron or anyone in their family, except for Percy [12:19] <huebbe> look at after the quiditch match.... [12:19] <DumbleDebbie> I think they'd even bail Percy out of a jam if his life were in danger [12:19] <becky920> I also thought they were sending him a message. Don't try to prefect us -- you're still our kid brother. smile In a good-natured sort of way. [12:19] <Spectre> Did Fred and George enchant the snowball to hit the Gryffindor windows? smile [12:19] <kaelgirl> maybe, debbie [12:19] <Poet> I agree, if he ever needed them, they'd step in line to help. But they DO love to give him a hard time as much as possible [12:19] <Ringo2000> Yeah, I agree I dont think it was any relationship-wise problem [12:19] <becky920> They surely had to, Spectre -- Gryff tower's on the 7th floor [12:20] <Poet> It wouldn't surprise me if they knew a charm to make sure it hit him [12:20] <huebbe> yeah they probably would dumbledebbiwe [12:20] <DumbleDebbie> good point becky lol [12:20] <Spectre> The Homing charm biggrin [12:20] <becky920> LOL [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> This always makes me think of the scene in book 1 when they were hitting LV in the fact wth snowballs [12:20] <Ringo2000> laugh Spectre [12:20] <Shoshana> maybe they were just trying to get whoever first opened the window [12:20] <Poet> Hagrid ignores Hermione's pleas to stick to a safer curriculum. Is his best interest in teaching the students or is his fascination with exciting/dangerous creatures getting the better of him? (Chamber 007). [12:20] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, true Sooner [12:20] <Spectre> MIRV snowballs biggrin [12:20] <Ringo2000> A bit of both [12:20] <becky920> I think Hagrid genuinely loves the creatures, and he just doesn't understand why others don't, too [12:20] <Shoshana> He just doesn't understand the whole situation yet. [12:21] <becky920> He wants to sure that love [12:21] <huebbe> I think the students need it....these are real animals in the real world [12:21] <becky920> Oops, share it, not sure it [12:21] <DumbleDebbie> I think he geniunely wants to teach them something 'interesting' [12:21] <Poet> He can't help but get caught up in his love of the creatures...it makes him get a bit carried away at times [12:21] <bemused> I think he gets so much pleasure out of the wierder creatures that he's sure everyone else will too [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> That's just how Hagrid rolls [12:21] <DumbleDebbie> it's just his concept of 'interesting' is skewed from that of the general public [12:21] <Poet> yes it is [12:21] <huebbe> He is like Sprout....dangerous creatures [12:21] <Ringo2000> I think that he does have the students interests at heart, but when comes a job generally comes a passion/or a obsession. [12:21] <kaelgirl> after the flobberworms, he wants to have more interesting lessons to make up for that [12:21] <becky920> LOL, Sooner - Hagrid's too big to roll [12:21] <bemused> Also the creatures probably aren't so dangerous to him [12:21] <Poet> And he is so thick-skinned and so tall that creatures that are normally dangerous to others are not so dangerous to him [12:21] <DumbleDebbie> lol becky!!! [12:22] <DumbleDebbie> very true Poet [12:22] <huebbe> and most creatures he teaches need to be dealt with with respect....Draco learned that [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> when you are half-giant, your perspective of dangerous is not like it is for humans, I bet [12:22] <becky920> But I also think by loving scary things, he's loving himself in a way -- something he never got from anyone but Dumbledore. [12:22] <Ringo2000> true statement, Sooner. [12:22] <Poet> I like that idea [12:22] <Spectre> He should be very sure that he's able to help the students in any possible dangerous situation [12:22] <Poet> Giants can be scary themselves [12:22] <becky920> So by loving these scary critters, he's saying he's deserving of love and respect, too [12:22] <bemused> Nice idea. becky [12:22] <DumbleDebbie> and they are interesting, and, ahem, 'dead useful' [12:22] <becky920> Hey, you know me -- I like to spread the Hagrid love [12:23] <bemused> ! [12:23] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [12:23] <huebbe> yeah sort of, teaching others to "respect" is a big point [12:23] <Shoshana> lol, I never got that before [12:23] <DumbleDebbie> hi puzzle [12:23] <Puzzlepiece> hey! [12:23] <becky920> He had me from that first scene in SS, blubbering over baby Harry [12:23] <huebbe> hi puzzle [12:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think having half giant blood gives him an affinity for dangerous critters as well [12:23] <paudie> hiya [12:23] <DumbleDebbie> the pun shoshana? grin [12:23] <Shoshana> yup [12:23] <DumbleDebbie> lol becky [12:23] <Poet> The first thestral appears between two yew trees–which are traditionally associated with graveyards. Are the thestrals really a bad omen? What about the trees? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:24] <Ringo2000> I dont think they are... [12:24] <huebbe> no... [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the symbolism with that [12:24] <JaneMarple9> thestrals are just misunderstood [12:24] <Shoshana> ? [12:24] <Shoshana> Isn't LVs wand made of yew [12:24] <JaneMarple9> just like grims! [12:24] <Spectre> Maybe, the thestrals are in a way attracted to yew trees? [12:24] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think they're a bad omen, like the Grimm, just guilt by association [12:24] <Poet> Trees do seem to indicate death [12:24] <becky920> Yes, Shoshana [12:24] <bemused> Hagrid says not - and I believe him.... (I think) [12:24] <Puzzlepiece> I think that Jo used them to try to play on the idea of bad omens having them useful and good [12:24] <DumbleDebbie> yes, it is Shoshana [12:24] <huebbe> death, as with the thresals are just the unknowm [12:24] <Shoshana> That came out in the wrong order [12:24] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [12:24] <becky920> But we do know there's a death coming in the book, so... [12:24] <Poet> Maybe a little hint of the way the book is headed... [12:24] <becky920> Maybe they are foreshadowing [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> well, the only way to see thestrals is to see and know death, but that is not necessarily a bad thing [12:24] <DumbleDebbie> there's a graveyard near where I grew up that has a long stand of yew trees [12:24] <becky920> But I think the wizarding world perception is superstition, yes [12:24] <DumbleDebbie> yes, there are always those hints lurking [12:25] <becky920> Yews are traditionally planted around graveyards, especially in Great Britain [12:25] <Poet> And we know that Jo is tricksy [12:25] <SoonerGryffindor> just goes to show how things can be mininterpreted [12:25] <bemused> It's tradition to plant them in churchyards Debbie - they symbolise eternal life [12:25] <becky920> I think it's a red herring, too. [12:25] <becky920> We're already trained to discount superstition because the Grim turned out to be Sirius. But in this case... [12:25] <becky920> it could still be an omen [12:25] <bemused> (because yew trees live for so long) [12:25] <Shoshana> Thestrals are associated with death, and so are yews. I don't think it's anything more than that, just an Easter egg for poeple to find [12:25] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, i know bemused. intereting how she used them in this scene [12:25] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed shoshana [12:25] <Puzzlepiece> They helped harry get to the ministry. I think that they have served their purpose in the books [12:26] <Poet> Hagrid himself is pretty beat up in this book.... so there is always the concern about him - in association with the thestrals and the trees. [12:26] <becky920> Eternal life -- Voldemort tries to cheat death -- tongueonder: [12:26] <Ringo2000> true Shoshana [12:26] <Poet> Do you think Umbridge saw the Thestrals? (Room 62442–The Brain Room [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I do [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> and I just noticed that on this reread [12:26] <Poet> I'm mixed on whether she did [12:26] <Puzzlepiece> I dont [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> she gestured towards them [12:26] <DumbleDebbie> hmmm... I hadn't thought about it [12:27] <Ringo2000> Hmm...I dont think [12:27] <Poet> She seemed to want the students to think she can, but she seemed to be looking the wrong direction [12:27] <becky920> If she did, I don't think she wanted to let on about it because it suited her purpose better to pretend she didn't understand Hagrid [12:27] <Ringo2000> so....** [12:27] <Poet> I'd have to say no [12:27] <Poet> I see what you mean becky [12:27] <Puzzlepiece> She might have been gesturing to the meat eating itself [12:27] <becky920> ewwww [12:27] <becky920> That had to look scary [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I was posting in Unfogging and there was a thread talking about that and it made me reread that section again closely. I think she can see them and now I wonder if there is a reason [12:27] <Spectre> Being of her age, she could have seen her parents' death [12:28] <Puzzlepiece> But did she see their dying moment? [12:28] <DumbleDebbie> maybe she killed someone? [12:28] <JaneMarple9> how about a death eater? [12:28] <Ringo2000> and she is in the Ministry [12:28] <bemused> Yes - I think it sounds as if she can see them [12:28] <becky920> oops -- gotta run! have a good chat, y'all [12:28] *** becky920 has quit [Bye] [12:28] <Shoshana> bye [12:28] <Puzzlepiece> She isnt powerful enouh I dont think to kill someone [12:28] <DumbleDebbie> bye becky [12:28] <Spectre> bye becky [12:28] <Poet> That's what I wondered Dumbledebbie [12:28] <bemused> bye Becky [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Becky [12:28] <Ringo2000> undoubtebly she might have seen a DE kiss someone in a court room or something? [12:28] <DumbleDebbie> you don't have to necessarily be powerful to kill [12:28] <Ringo2000> later becky [12:28] <JaneMarple9> or even a Mr Umbridge,,,,no, thats a bad thought! biggrin [12:28] <Poet> Nah. Not a DE, but yeah maybe a dementor kiss [12:28] <Shoshana> She's too sneaky to outright kill someone. She'd just send someone else to do it. [12:28] <DumbleDebbie> and I think her power may bye seriously underestimated [12:28] <Spectre> dementor kiss isn't technically death [12:29] <Shoshana> worse than [12:29] <Poet> true [12:29] <Ringo2000> sorry I mean a Dementor** [12:29] <DumbleDebbie> she could have poisoned someone and watched them die [12:29] <Poet> ack [12:29] <Puzzlepiece> a kiss doesnt kill it sucks out the soul leaving them a blubbering mess but alive [12:29] <Ringo2000> Thanks Poet laugh [12:29] <Shoshana> Or maybe made someone bleed too much in a detention [12:29] <DumbleDebbie> I can see her enjoying watching someone writhe in pain [12:29] <DumbleDebbie> ewww, shoshana, could be ohmy [12:29] <Poet> Was there any way Hagrid could have prevented Umbridge from making him look so badly in his inspection? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:29] <JaneMarple9> yes debbie thats umbridge all over [12:29] <Spectre> probably not [12:29] <JaneMarple9> nope nothing [12:29] <Ringo2000> Listened to Miss Granger? [12:29] <Puzzlepiece> nope [12:29] <Poet> She is pretty crafty at making people look bad [12:30] <Shoshana> just ignored her [12:30] <bemused> No - I think she was determined to do it [12:30] <DumbleDebbie> no, poor guy was out of his league [12:30] <JaneMarple9> unless he taught a "sensible" animal! [12:30] <Puzzlepiece> the way she talked to him would have anyone goggling [12:30] <DumbleDebbie> he's too straightforward of a being [12:30] <Poet> I agree. She knew how to manipulate him. [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> no, Hagrid is not by nature deceptive at all, so he was a perfect victim for her [12:30] <Spectre> If Hagrid ignored her, she'd probably mutter something like "he's either mute or deaf" [12:30] <Puzzlepiece> even if he taught "sensible" animals [12:30] <Poet> Hagrid hasn't ever learned to hide what he thinks, feels, or does - not really [12:30] <DumbleDebbie> McGonagall is brilliant and she has to work hard to keep ahead of Toady [12:30] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [12:31] <Spectre> hi Prongs [12:31] <DumbleDebbie> hi prongs [12:31] <Shoshana> I hate the Slytherins in this chapter more than Umbridge; I think Hagrid could have dealt with only Umbridge but the insults got him [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Prongss [12:31] <Puzzlepiece> hi Prongs [12:31] <Poet> Which is of course why I love him. [12:31] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all1 [12:31] <Ringo2000> I really think Hagrid had no chance, Umbridge was out for blood [12:31] <paudie> hi Prongs [12:31] <JaneMarple9> hello prongs [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Hagrid is an open book and I agree Poet, that is one of the reasons he is so loveable [12:31] <ProngsPatronus> thought I would pop in and see what was doing [12:31] <JaneMarple9> she was yes ringo [12:31] <DumbleDebbie> she definitely went into that review with a purpse [12:31] <DumbleDebbie> good to see you Prongs [12:31] <Puzzlepiece> even if he performed well she would have put him on probation. no matter what [12:31] <Shoshana> yeah, agreed [12:32] <Poet> I agree. We see that Umbridge usually gets her way with the teachers. Only people like Snape know who to keep her antics at bay [12:32] <DumbleDebbie> yes puzzle, she'd have found soem excuse. he's too close to DD [12:32] <Spectre> Anything can be described as bad [12:32] <Shoshana> and McGonnagal [12:32] <Ringo2000> ahem, and McGonagall biggrin [12:32] <SoonerGryffindor> well, and she even put Snape on probation [12:32] <Spectre> With Umbridge's skills, specifically [12:32] <DumbleDebbie> lol [12:32] <Poet> Though McGonagall got a little flustered smile [12:32] <SoonerGryffindor> granted, it was out of anger, but stil.. [12:32] <Poet> Did any of the other teachers warn Hagrid about the Toad and its inspections? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:32] <DumbleDebbie> Snape needs to be on probation for abusing the students [12:32] <Spectre> McGonagall probably [12:32] <Ringo2000> nah Hagrid is a loner [12:32] <Puzzlepiece> if they could find a place to talk freely [12:32] <Ringo2000> always a loner [12:33] <Puzzlepiece> but she showed up the day after he came back, they didnt have time [12:33] <SoonerGryffindor> It would not have done any good [12:33] <JaneMarple9> hagrid doesn't listen to advice [12:33] <bemused> I don't think they had time - and he doesn't seem to go in the staff room [12:33] <Ringo2000> even if they did...he wouldnt have took any advice from anyone [12:33] <Shoshana> Hermione tried, and Hagrid trusts Hermione. I don't think a teacher would have been successful in warning him. [12:33] <paudie> yeah poor hagrid she compelety stunned him [12:33] <DumbleDebbie> DD may have tipped him off, if he thought it was necessary [12:34] <Puzzlepiece> he had been out of the loop for so long he didnt understand the minsitry anymore [12:34] <Puzzlepiece> too much had changed [12:34] <Poet> It happened so early on. I don't think they were all on their guard yet. [12:34] <DumbleDebbie> sounds like a good thing... to be out of the loop with regards to the Ministry [12:34] <Poet> Right - he'd barely returned. [12:34] <Ringo2000> yes it was really quick and spontaneous [12:34] <Shoshana> I'm sure lots of teachers thought Grubbly-Plank would've been a better teacher anyway sad [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Even Harry was willing to admit to himself that fact [12:35] <Puzzlepiece> but they all love hagrid. hes so loyal [12:35] <Spectre> Did Umbridge ask G-P anything about Hagrid? [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [12:35] <JaneMarple9> yes unfortunately grubbly planks such a good teacher [12:35] <Shoshana> But G-P didn't know anything [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> she was asking about his whereabouts [12:35] <DumbleDebbie> lol Jane [12:35] <JaneMarple9> she didn't tell her anything [12:35] <Shoshana> I meant she didn't know anyting about Hagrid [12:35] <DumbleDebbie> do you mean about his teaching skills Spectre? [12:35] <Poet> Why on earth would Hermione blurt out that she wishes she could see thestrals? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I think even had she known, she would not have [12:36] <JaneMarple9> she may have know but she wouldn't tell the toad [12:36] <Spectre> yes, something like that [12:36] <Shoshana> The thirst for learning can be a little tactless [12:36] <Ringo2000> because she might have felt left out? [12:36] <DumbleDebbie> she thirsts for knowledge [12:36] <JaneMarple9> a echo then sooner smile [12:36] <DumbleDebbie> clearly she didn't think it through [12:36] <bemused> Because it's a piece of knowledge she doesn't have - she's not thinking about the implications [12:36] <Poet> She'd love to be able to study them close up, not just know about them in theory [12:36] <Spectre> She wanted to actually *see* what she studies [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> This surprised me. Normally you see Ron make those kinds of comments [12:36] <Poet> Which is cool. She's a hands-on learner as well as book-learner [12:36] <Ringo2000> true [12:36] <Shoshana> Hermione is very see it=believe it, I think [12:36] <paudie> yeah that's hermione all over. she takes her studies so seriously [12:37] <Poet> I hadn't thougt of that Shoshana. [12:37] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Hermione doesn't yet have the visceral knowledge of what it takes to see Thestrals [12:37] <JaneMarple9> yes hermione is a pratical person [12:37] <Puzzlepiece> she was frustrated she couldnt learn [12:37] <DumbleDebbie> she wants to know everything, yet here is something she can't really know (yet) firsthand [12:37] <JaneMarple9> she likes to learn about things and actually see things [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> this is a very good point Prongs, and I think you are right non that [12:37] <Spectre> she was a bit jealous of Harry and Nott [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> which is crazy [12:37] <bemused> She also likes to be at the front of the class - it must have been frustrating to have others doing something she couldn't [12:38] <JaneMarple9> ron has spent more time in the wizarding world - he knows more than hermione and ron [12:38] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, and it is a gut check reminder of what Harry has been through [12:38] <JaneMarple9> hermione and harry i mean [12:38] <DumbleDebbie> the cold reality of it [12:38] <Poet> Why isn't Harry willing to tell Hermione that she is insulting the house-elves and that Dobby is the one taking all the hats, socks and scarves? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Ron would have told her. [12:38] <ProngsPatronus> and I think it highlights the alienation that will come later in the book [12:38] <Shoshana> Maybe when she's knitting she's off Harry's case smile [12:38] <JaneMarple9> because he wanting a rest from s.p.e.w smile [12:39] <bemused> To spare her feelings, maybe [12:39] <Puzzlepiece> hes too good a friend and doesnt want to hurt her [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry just doesnt like confrontation [12:39] <Poet> She seems so intent on doing it. [12:39] <DumbleDebbie> It's hard to *tell* Hermione anything when she gets on her high horse [12:39] <Spectre> Because they might have had a major argument, and a fall-out wouldn't do good to D.A. [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, he would have been a better friend to be up front and tell her. [12:39] <Puzzlepiece> right [12:39] <JaneMarple9> yes maybe so sooner [12:39] <DumbleDebbie> good point, he's had enough squabbles with his freinds to go looking for another one [12:39] <Puzzlepiece> but in his eyes he couldnt bear to be the one to tell her all her efforts were fruitless [12:39] <Poet> Yes. She feels like she's doing something for them right now, and it would take that away. She'd find something else to do instead that might insult them more. [12:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry rightly believes that this is knowledge she will have to learn herself--it is not anything that can be learned out of a book [12:40] <DumbleDebbie> he probably doesn't want to risk another "I'm not talking to you" episode [12:40] <Spectre> Maybe he didn't want Dobby to punish himself once again? [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> by this time in the game, Harry pretty much knows how Hermione rolls and he didn't want to get into it with her [12:40] <JaneMarple9> probably debbie [12:40] <JaneMarple9> he wanted harmony with hermione! [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> its easier for him to ignore the problem [12:40] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Jane [12:40] <Spectre> If Hermione would confront Dobby, Dobby would throw himself against the wall and stuff [12:40] <Poet> I agree. She really wanted to help them, and unless Harry tells her....she's happy with what she's doing. [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> but Ron.... Ron would have told her [12:40] <Puzzlepiece> I think he [12:40] <Shoshana> This way Hermione still feels productive [12:40] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [12:40] <Poet> yeah [12:41] <JaneMarple9> she's doing no harm [12:41] <Spectre> but did Ron know about Dobby? [12:41] <DumbleDebbie> is she really doing no harm? [12:41] <JaneMarple9> and dobby probably loves the hats [12:41] <Puzzlepiece> I think he'd also rather see her doing that and helping dobby than finding a new way to persue SPEW. as long as it is just knitting, its alright. he doesnt want her to do anything mroe [12:41] <DumbleDebbie> Dobby now has to clean the entire Gryff tower by himself. the elves are all riled up [12:41] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi expie [12:41] <Spectre> hi Expie [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Hola Expie [12:41] <ProngsPatronus> hey, expie [12:41] <paudie> yeah from goblet. Ron gave Dobby the jumper CHristmas presnt [12:41] <Shoshana> Probably Dobby doesn't have to do as much in other parts of the castle [12:42] <ProngsPatronus> I really think it is deeper than that [12:42] <Poet> What are your thoughts on Harry thinking that Ron would go home to the Burrow for Christmas and not invite him? (Chamber 29) [12:42] <Expelliarmas> heya peeps [12:42] <Poet> hey [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Silly Ron for not making that more clear [12:42] <JaneMarple9> just harrys way [12:42] <ProngsPatronus> Harry has a fine sense of her awkwardness with magical creatures [12:42] <DumbleDebbie> sad that he would stil think that [12:42] <JaneMarple9> he doesn't want to force himself on the weasley family [12:42] <DumbleDebbie> he grew up so alone, it sticks with him [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> This is another moment where you want to give Harry a big motherly hug. Poor kid is used to being unwanted [12:42] <Poet> Harry is thankfully very humble [12:42] <Puzzlepiece> he's too polite [12:43] <JaneMarple9> he is used to being left out with the dursleys [12:43] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Sooner definitely [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> the idea of family christmas with friends just doesnt occur to him [12:43] <Spectre> Maybe Harry thought more about Sirius and 12 GP, and didn't think that Ron would invite him? [12:43] <Poet> Something he hasn't gotten over yet. Plus the fact that over the summer he was at the Dursleys for so long and felt left out [12:43] <Shoshana> Ron takes it for granted, but Harry is more insecure, what with having lived with the Dursleys for so long [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> What is amazing is that this is the first year he celebrates Christmas with a family in a family setting [12:43] <Expelliarmas> Harry certainly dreaded spending Christmas at Hogwarts this year [12:43] *** readthroughthenight has joined #lounge [12:43] <DumbleDebbie> hi read [12:44] <paudie> hi read [12:44] <Shoshana> I like your name, readthroughthenight [12:44] <Spectre> hi read [12:44] <SoonerGryffindor> That is a good point Shoshana, Ron has had such a wonderful family for so long that it is normal to him and he doesnt realize Harry would even question it [12:44] <Poet> Right. That's Ron for you. [12:44] <DumbleDebbie> lol Poet [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> and yet again, Hermione is the only one with a clue [12:45] <paudie> it's so sad- definitely deserves a hug like you said Sooner [12:45] <Poet> Sometimes you have to smack Ron over the head [12:45] <Puzzlepiece> every other year ron has stayed with Harry. Harry assumes he will stay again [12:45] <Poet> Once Harry knows he has been invited to the Burrow for Christmas, Harry feels a bit of guilt towards Sirius. Why does Harry feel he is responsible for Sirius' happiness now? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> because that's what happens when you love someone [12:45] <bemused> Because he loves him [12:46] <DumbleDebbie> because he's family and he loves him [12:46] <Poet> Be also knows that Sirius has no one except the Order members [12:46] <Spectre> Because he and Lupin are two closest people to Sirius now [12:46] <Shoshana> Harry's really seen what staying at Grimmauld Place is doing to Sirius [12:46] <Poet> Why didn’t Harry think to ask to spend Christmas with Sirius? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:46] *** Ringo2000 has quit [Bye] [12:47] <Expelliarmas> Harry sees Sirius' position easily as he knows what it's like to be cooped up [12:47] <Puzzlepiece> He thinks of Sirius as family. Since he is having a family christhas he thinks of sirius his other family not having it together with him [12:47] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [12:47] <Expelliarmas> There's a darned good question [12:47] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [12:47] <Shoshana> He's no one to force himself on someone, but I'm wondering why Sirius didn't invite Harry [12:47] <JaneMarple9> harry wants sirius to be safe [12:47] <Spectre> Grimmauld Place is still used for Order meetings... [12:47] <Poet> This would have been a perfect solution, but just like Harry doesn't impose himself on the Weasleys, he doesn't feel comfortable enough to be suggesting holiday plans for people [12:47] <DumbleDebbie> would *you* want to spend a holiday at #12GP? [12:47] <JaneMarple9> harry being with sirius could give sirius away [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I think because it never occurred to Harry. He has never had "family" to go to [12:47] *** readthroughthenight has quit [Bye] [12:47] <Expelliarmas> I don't see it as harry forcing himself on anyone, he could have asked to go, I always wondered why he didn't [12:47] <Puzzlepiece> he was to polite to ask for himself and so relieved he was going, he oculdnt bear to ask for someone else as well [12:47] <Poet> ewww - right. Grimmauld is not holiday material [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> grr, this just makes me hate the Dursleys that muchmore [12:48] <Spectre> also... I think he wouldn't *risk* writing Sirius at the time to ask about anything [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> what they have done to this poor child..... [12:48] <DumbleDebbie> "Day of the Dead" holiday material maybe :P [12:48] <Expelliarmas> or "night of the dead" [12:48] <JaneMarple9> hmmm Grimmauld Place or Privet Drive? [12:48] <JaneMarple9> what a choice!! [12:49] <ProngsPatronus> I think Harry has a fine sense of what it is to be lonely [12:49] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [12:49] <Spectre> Stay at Hogwarts? With Umbridge around? [12:49] <bemused> then it sounds as if he expected to be with sirius [12:49] <JaneMarple9> be loneley without ron though:48] <Poet> I agree. Coming and going from Sirius' is not the safest thing. [12:48] <Spectre> Stay at Hogwarts? With Umbridge around? [12:48] <bemused> then it sounds as if he expected to be with sirius [12:48] <JaneMarple9> be loneley without ron though [12:49] <ProngsPatronus> and he recognises it in others [12:49] <Spectre> It's worse than Dursleys! [12:49] <JaneMarple9> and with umbridge yes [12:49] <Poet> It takes a bit of effort on the part of Order members to get people safely to and from Grimmauld Place, so he'd probably not thought of going there [12:49] <DumbleDebbie> true Prongs [12:49] <Puzzlepiece> he also couldnt bear to ask mrs weasley (who he was always deadly polite to) to move the family for christams [12:50] <Poet> Dobby “decorated” the Room of Requirement for Christmas. What did you think of his efforts? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:50] <DumbleDebbie> yeah puzzle, I dont' think he'd ever presume to ask that [12:50] <DumbleDebbie> very adorable [12:50] <Shoshana> comic relief [12:50] <bemused> very Dobby [12:50] <DumbleDebbie> and so Dobby! [12:50] <Puzzlepiece> cute [12:50] <Expelliarmas> um, a tad too much [12:50] <Spectre> interesting how Dobby got right into the DADA Room of Requirement [12:50] <DumbleDebbie> lol [12:50] <ProngsPatronus> I think it showed the depths of Dobby's feeling for Harry [12:50] <DumbleDebbie> hmmm, interesting point Spectre [12:51] <Puzzlepiece> but how did he know Harry would be back for a last meeting [12:51] <Expelliarmas> well, as a house elf he would have access to it [12:51] <DumbleDebbie> maybe he could've followed that little git Draco in HBP? [12:51] <Spectre> maybe, house elves can access any version of RoR at will? [12:51] *** erisedfororrim has joined #lounge [12:51] <DumbleDebbie> hi erised [12:51] <Spectre> Does Room of Requirement have any user logs? biggrin [12:51] <Puzzlepiece> well he knew what to look for. a room to practice spells in., Harry had asked him about it before [12:51] <Spectre> hi erised [12:52] <erisedfororrim> hey guys smile [12:52] <Expelliarmas> heya, erised [12:52] <DumbleDebbie> but he entered the proper version of the RoR [12:52] <bemused> hello erised! [12:52] <DumbleDebbie> not some other manifestation, like the chamber pots [12:52] <Puzzlepiece> dumble he knew what to ask for [12:52] <JaneMarple9> hello erised smile [12:52] <Spectre> But don't house elf spells differ from human spells? [12:52] <DumbleDebbie> which makes me wonder again if he could have gotten in to Draco's version [12:53] <Puzzlepiece> but he would have had to know what draco needed [12:53] <Spectre> If the RoR door is open, anyone can follow [12:53] <Spectre> it seems, at least [12:53] <Poet> It's got to be a new emotion for Harry to experience pride in others, but in the DA it is happening. How does this help Harry? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:53] <Spectre> It encourages him [12:53] <DumbleDebbie> It's wonderful for him [12:53] <bemused> Tremendous boost to his confidence [12:53] <Puzzlepiece> boosts his confindence [12:53] <Expelliarmas> It igves him a different point to focus upon==others instead of himself [12:53] <DumbleDebbie> definitely a confidence booster [12:53] <ProngsPatronus> I think this helps Harry have pride in his own achievements, as well [12:54] <Poet> Perfect timing in the book too. [12:54] <DumbleDebbie> and it allows him to realize that he actually *is* a good teacher [12:54] <Shoshana> and for this we can thank Umbridge (what a thought!) [12:54] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [12:54] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, ironic eh? [12:54] <bemused> It's also an experience of leadership [12:54] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [12:54] <erisedfororrim> i think that it's great for him to get confirmation that he is good at DADA, makes him feel it is alright to be proud of himself [12:55] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [12:55] <Spectre> Well, a Death Eater was the first one to say that Harry would become a good Auror... biggrin [12:55] <JaneMarple9> yes how ironic! [12:55] * DumbleDebbie crosses her fingers that he will [12:55] *** cbm has joined #lounge [12:55] <SoonerGryffindor> This is so wonderful for Harry. This is where he starts to get over a lot of his anger issues because he can focus his energy into somethiing positive, rather than negative [12:55] <DumbleDebbie> hey Clark smile [12:55] <Spectre> hi cbm [12:55] <cbm> Hi everyone! [12:55] <JaneMarple9> i do too debbie smile hi cbm [12:55] <cbm> what is the ? [12:56] <paudie> hi cbm [12:56] <erisedfororrim> but doesn't he already think he deserves this attention? [12:56] <Expelliarmas> hang tight, cbm, i'm sure we're getting another q any second now [12:56] <cbm> OK [12:56] <Shoshana> How does Harry's pride in others (in the DA) help Harry? [12:56] <Poet> So who kissed Whom…. Errrrr, or is that, who? Harry kissed Cho? Cho kissed Harry? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:56] <Expelliarmas> voila! [12:56] <Poet> smile [12:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Cho totally snogged Harry [12:56] <DumbleDebbie> takes 2 to tango wink [12:56] <erisedfororrim> cho kissed harry, defo! [12:56] <JaneMarple9> cho kissed harry i think [12:56] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [12:57] <Puzzlepiece> remember hermione's Q later on..." did she kiss you" [12:57] <Poet> It seems to be mutual, but i'm pretty sure Cho went in for the intial kill [12:57] <Shoshana> Harry kissed back, I'm sure [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, Harry even mentions later that he would not have..... [12:57] <cbm> Cho kissed Harry, as I do not think Harry moved [12:57] <Expelliarmas> yes, Harry was too "dear staring in the headlights" [12:57] <JaneMarple9> harry is to "noble" to make the first move [12:57] <Expelliarmas> Harry was a bit frozen [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry was pretty much the proverbial deer in headlights [12:57] <Puzzlepiece> :) [12:57] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [12:57] <erisedfororrim> she's the experienced, older woman here [12:57] <Spectre> Harry is to shy to kiss smile [12:57] <cbm> Frozen, that was the word I was looking for [12:57] <Expelliarmas> lol! psyche, Sooner owes me a coke in Toronto [12:57] <bemused> Aaaah!! [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [12:57] <DumbleDebbie> he's got to learn to avoid ambushes if he's gong to fight the baddies effectively [12:58] <JaneMarple9> probably the first kiss he'd ever recieved from a girl of his own age. Harry always admires cho from afar [12:58] <erisedfororrim> his 'mrs robinson' if you will! [12:58] <DumbleDebbie> lol erised [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> *dies* [12:58] <Expelliarmas> I think that was his first kiss ever [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> it was [12:58] <Poet> Harry liked Cho for ages, when he thought of them together he always pictured Cho enjoying herself, as opposed to sobbing uncontrollably. Once again, did Harry miss the red flag? If so, why? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:58] <JaneMarple9> hermione has probably kissed him but friendly? [12:58] <Poet> Harry liked Cho for ages, when he thought of them together he always pictured Cho enjoying herself, as opposed to sobbing uncontrollably. Once again, did Harry miss the red flag? If so, why? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:58] <Expelliarmas> not even great auntie muriel got to him [12:58] <bemused> inexperience [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [12:59] <Expelliarmas> Harry totally missed all the warning signs [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Poor Harry [12:59] * cbm is bummed he got here too late for any Umbridge bashing! [12:59] <Shoshana> He was too flattered [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> he is clueless [12:59] <Expelliarmas> put it down to lack of experience [12:59] <DumbleDebbie> he's a teenaged boy [12:59] <Spectre> Cho charmed the mistletoe biggrin [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> that pretty much says it all right there [12:59] <JaneMarple9> teenagers are useless with warning signs [12:59] <Shoshana> Hey! [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> boys [12:59] <Expelliarmas> no sense of self-preservation with the whole hosepipe thing [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> admit it, they really are [12:59] <DumbleDebbie> lol Shoshanna [12:59] <JaneMarple9> at least girls send out signals! [12:59] <Spectre> hm... I was not smile [12:59] <Shoshana> (for all you know, I could be a boy. But I'm not, so you're forgiven) [12:59] <Expelliarmas> I think he missed the signs because he didn't want to see them [13:00] <Puzzlepiece> we are better at it than the boys smile [13:00] <JaneMarple9> sorry i will rephrase that....teenage boys smile [13:00] <Poet> Teenaged girls are a bit cryee with their boyfriends. Poor Cho has it much worse of course. [13:00] <erisedfororrim> i'm not! [13:00] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [13:00] <DumbleDebbie> hi chocolate [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry has like zero experience with girls outside of Hermione. Poor guy [13:00] <Expelliarmas> heya choco [13:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> smile hey guys [13:00] <cbm> I just think he had no clue [13:00] <Puzzlepiece> hi chocolate [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hey chocolate [13:00] <JaneMarple9> yep harry doesn't have any girl experience [13:00] <Poet> What did you think of Hermione's Lessons on Girls 101 for Ron and Harry? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:00] <Shoshana> hilarious [13:00] <Puzzlepiece> I LOVED it [13:00] <Spectre> He was totally clueless - remember how Hermione explained everything he'd done bad biggrin [13:00] <Poet> It was really amazing [13:00] <JaneMarple9> but he knows he has a nice feeling when cho is around smile [13:00] <bemused> brilliant! [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> this is one of my favorite moments in the entire series [13:01] <erisedfororrim> is it important that he's never had a female role model until molly came along? [13:01] <ProngsPatronus> I think that harry had no idea of the depth of Cho's grief-- [13:01] <Expelliarmas> she should write a dissertation [13:01] <Poet> yes [13:01] <cbm> Excellent [13:01] <JaneMarple9> very descriptive [13:01] <Expelliarmas> I don't think cho had any idea as to the depth of her grief [13:01] <DumbleDebbie> ok kids, I've gotta run. have a good day! (((((group))))) [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the line where she tells Harry is is not a bad kisser and Ron about goes ape [13:01] <Spectre> bye Debbie [13:01] <cbm> it was very useful imformation! [13:01] <JaneMarple9> iprobably impress even ginny [13:01] <Shoshana> It sounds like she knew the explanation would have to come at some point [13:01] <Expelliarmas> Hermione should become a grief counselor/shrink in the magical world [13:01] <cbm> bye [13:01] <paudie> bye debbie [13:01] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [13:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she seemed like she knew quite a lot about relationships all of a sudden :0) [13:01] <Puzzlepiece> she was on the mark, of course. Jo needed some way to explain to the readers Cho's feelings [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Debbie [13:01] <JaneMarple9> thats right chocolate! [13:02] <Poet> Right, otherwise some of us might be as clueless as Harry [13:02] <erisedfororrim> how does hermy know so much? she's not exactly massively experienced herself [13:02] <bemused> It's impressive that HErmione can interpret a girl so different from herself - and yet miss the point on elves completely [13:02] <JaneMarple9> wonder where she learnt all that - from a book? smile [13:02] <Spectre> well, she had something with Krum in GoF smile [13:02] <Puzzlepiece> it also helps us percieve the depth of hermione's thinking and how obervant she really is. Smarter than books, isnt she [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I totally got the impression she also had an ulterior motive with that conversation [13:02] <Shoshana> shy people tend to be very observant of other people [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hint, hint RON [13:02] <JaneMarple9> thats a good point sooner [13:02] *** fenixfelicis has joined #lounge [13:02] <Puzzlepiece> who is completely clueless [13:02] <erisedfororrim> absolutely sooner [13:02] <Spectre> and she shared the dorm with four other girls, and most probably heard all sort of stuff from them smile [13:02] <Expelliarmas> Ron needs an anvil on the head to get the hint [13:02] <Puzzlepiece> ki felix [13:03] <JaneMarple9> i can see hermione talking it over with ginny too [13:03] <Expelliarmas> hello fenix [13:03] <fenixfelicis> hi puzzle thanx [13:03] <Poet> Neville demonstrates his Gryffindor traits in this chapter. Why is Neville making such good improvements in the DA? Was it surprising that he was the one to get help for Harry after he has the dream? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:03] <erisedfororrim> ron is SUCH a boy! [13:03] <JaneMarple9> because he has something to aim for [13:03] <fenixfelicis> hi expelliarmas how are ya? [13:03] <JaneMarple9> he has friends and he is getting reasonably good at it [13:03] <Expelliarmas> very well, fenix, glad you could join us today [13:04] <JaneMarple9> and also draco's taunt about st mungos really hurt [13:04] <Puzzlepiece> because Harry is giving Neville confidence. Remember, there is nothing wrong with neville's spellwork except his confidence (McGonagall) [13:04] <bemused> He trusts Harry so he can learn from him [13:04] <Poet> Neville is spurred on by what happened to his parents and because the DE have gotten out of Azkaban [13:04] <JaneMarple9> yep bemused [13:04] <Expelliarmas> Neville has a lot of motivation [13:04] <cbm> I think that Harry showing confidence in him was incredibly important, [13:04] <erisedfororrim> to be in a safe place and surrounded by people who believe in you and want to help has never happened to him before [13:04] <Expelliarmas> it goes beyond having confidence [13:04] <Spectre> Neville seems to be VERY determined [13:04] <JaneMarple9> he trusted harry totally [13:04] <JaneMarple9> and he was willing to be taught! [13:04] <Poet> Is it simply that Neville realizes that he can do more and is coming into his own, or is there something more? Revenge? A greater destiny of sorts?? (Chamber 007) [13:04] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Neville has never had supportive friends who are willing to be patient while he learns [13:04] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [13:04] <bemused> Have the DEs got out at this point? I nearly said so, and then I thought twice about it? [13:04] <Expelliarmas> confidence being the only thing Neville lacks [13:05] <JaneMarple9> both revenge and destiny i think [13:05] <Poet> No they don't actually get out until January I think [13:05] <Puzzlepiece> bemused they had escaoed [13:05] <Spectre> And he didn't even have an own wand by the time [13:05] <Puzzlepiece> hadnt they? [13:05] <cbm> I think it is confidence, and then a realization as to what was coming that made him determined [13:05] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [13:05] <JaneMarple9> and neville comes into his own, in the next chapter (next weeks chapters are my favourites especailly chapter 23!) [13:06] <bemused> I don't think so, Puzzle - I think Neville starts improving before the This post has been edited by SoonerGryffindor: May 19 2007, 02:20 PM |
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