ReadingGroup Corner Booth Transcript: Jun 24, 2006, The Dursley's in CoS |
 Jun 24 2006, 06:32 PM
Post
#1
|
|
Waiting for Wednesdays  Posts: 9,209 Joined: 7:57am January 28, 2005 Location: Hiding from Hurricanes    |
*** LJ has joined #lounge
*** Topic is: Reading Group Open Chat - The Dursleys in Chamber of Secrets *** Topic set by andythehouseelf [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006] <magicmeg8> I'm pretty well, thanks! *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized. *** mode/#lounge [+o LJ] by Snuffles <andythehouseelf> Great. <Aislinn> good eliz. how about you? <andythehouseelf> Hey Jame <andythehouseelf> *James <elizabethsprague> pritty good <Sofie> im glad the Lounge is back again smile <Jrg1990> evenin all <Jrg1990> evenin all <SoonerGryffindor> good so far...just waiting for the tornado sirens to stop, its annoyng <magicmeg8> Ooh. that's a bit frightening, Sooner <Sofie> tornado? *shudder* *** Belenzie has joined #lounge *** Poet has joined #lounge <Belenzie> hey all <elizabethsprague> thar are a lot of people today. noce to see <Sofie> hey Bel <Poet> hi <andythehouseelf> HeyPoet *** Punky has joined #lounge <Aislinn> i know what you mean sofie - was going through withdrawal! <Poet> I can tell I'm not going to get anything productive done today. <Sofie> me too, Aislinn smile *** danae24 has joined #lounge <Sofie> elizabeth, are you from Prague? <Sofie> hey danae <SoonerGryffindor> nope, its an every Saturday at noon ritual...they have to test them <SoonerGryffindor> okay, they stopped now smile *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> welcome danae <elizabethsprague> duse enyonw know when the next test is. *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge <danae24> Hi everyone!! <elizabethsprague> hi <magicmeg8> Hi Danae <Aislinn> Jo's test, eliz? *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge <danae24> Hi meg!! <elizabethsprague> i lick to know <magicmeg8> smile <Poet> "The Dursleys liked everything neat and ordered..." <Belenzie> that wombat is soooo cute smile <Jrg1990> hello *tests* <SoonerGryffindor> back now, was having horrible lag problems *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge <Poet> Jo knows but she's not telling yet. *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has joined #lounge *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge <Jrg1990> yeah i was too sooner. Thats why i dropped out. <magicmeg8> Hey WhisperWing. Hey Ginny-FAB <danae24> has Jo updated her site??? <andythehouseelf> Hey guys! <Whisperwing> Hiya Meg <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hi W/W <magicmeg8> Yay, you're fab <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and everyone <Whisperwing> Hi everyone! <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol <Poet> Not that I know of, Jo hasn't. <Poet> Ginny crawls out of her cave <Jrg1990> ummmm...... guys......... when did the door open? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yep <Whisperwing> don't even. <elizabethsprague> i could ceck <Jrg1990> </sarc> *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] * Whisperwing tuts at James. <andythehouseelf> brb guys *** andythehouseelf left #lounge [] <Jrg1990> kk andy <Sofie> does everyone know if BBC is gonna broadcast the Q's bday party events? *** andythehouseelf has joined #lounge <danae24> i think so......... <Jrg1990> yeah sofie they are *** mode/#lounge [+o andythehouseelf] by Snuffles <Belenzie> yeah they arectiomorrow <Whisperwing> Melissa promised full coverage on Leaky. <Jrg1990> tomoz 6pm BBC1 <Whisperwing> suppose that won't make it onto BBAmerica.... <elizabethsprague> thay usuly repet those this <Belenzie> i wonder if canadians can get it?? <Sofie> to bad i only have BBc prime *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge <Whisperwing> er, BBCAmerica <andythehouseelf> Leaky will have videos dont worry. smile <danae24> I only have BBC world *** Theoriser has joined #lounge <Jrg1990> Im seeting a tape for it, but i wont be sending in the video, coz i donno how to get the recording on to my PC. Ill just let someone else send it in. <danae24> No updates on Jo's site <SoonerGryffindor> is anyone else having major lag problems? <Aislinn> not yet, sooner <andythehouseelf> I'm getting the videos for Leaky James dont worry. Ive been working on them with Sue. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> not as yet S/G <SoonerGryffindor> well, I signed off totally and now I seem to be okay <andythehouseelf> If you lag: you can quit and re-enter the chat. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I had them the other night <Sofie> oh, thats nice, andy smile <andythehouseelf> smile <Jrg1990> yeah i am sooner. *** elizabethsprague has quit [Bye] <Whisperwing> Guys, I don't know what the problem was but this morning iTunes screwed up my podcasts entirely -- fortunately the files are up as playlists, but I have to resubscribe to everything all over again. <danae24> that <Sofie> thats why i prefer direct dloading smile <SoonerGryffindor> Peeves must be bored <danae24> sorry......... that's weird....... <andythehouseelf> I'll also be getting a video of Jo's interview on Monday smile *** danae24 has quit [Bye] <SoonerGryffindor> anyway, I was just saying that I'm glad the sirens stopped so I can think clearly now *** Punky left #lounge [] *** kitti has joined #lounge <Theoriser> oh I forgot about jo's interview <kitti> hello there <Theoriser> I need to record that <kitti> smile <Theoriser> hi kitti! <Sofie> the Richard and Judy one? <Theoriser> yeah <andythehouseelf> Yes <Jrg1990> *is going to log off and see if he can get rid of his lag. brb guys. *** elizabethsprague has joined #lounge <SoonerGryffindor> good luck *** Jrg1990 left #lounge [] <Whisperwing> Okay so are we into the official Dursley discussion yet? *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge <Sofie> i wonred if shes gonn areveal something about book7 <Poet> Ginny-from-a-bottle I sent you a message with a question. <Jrg1990> I doubt it. <Whisperwing> No way, SOfie. <Theoriser> I hope she does, but I don't think she will <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> kk <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> brb <Sofie> one can hope smile <kitti> when's the interview? sorry, missed that bit <andythehouseelf> 5 minutes till we start the discussion guys smile <Theoriser> ok <Sofie> monday evening i think <Poet> She would announce it on her website first - for the fans <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder when we will get a new diary entry <Sofie> i hope soon, she havent updated lately <Aislinn> hopefully soon - its been almost 2 months <Jrg1990> ok...... spoke to soon on that one. I sent a message saying "hooray no more lag, and as of me sending this (20-25secs later) that one still hasnt appeared. sad <Sofie> *hasnt *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> kk <kitti> or more wombat tests <Whisperwing> Maybe after the Queen's birthday celebration? That would make for an interesting entry. <Sofie> yeah <SoonerGryffindor> try to sign totally off and sign back in to Leaky again.. that's the only thing that worked for me <magicmeg8> or clear your cache. <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with that thought WW <Whisperwing> Weird -- I searched for Fitting It In and it brought up two podcasts -- Melissa's, and one called Penn State DRUNKcast... how do those relate? <Theoriser> I don't know, I've done that before too <Theoriser> it's weird <SoonerGryffindor> no idea, but its kinda funny <magicmeg8> We will be starting the discussion in 5 minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. <kitti> They don't... <Aislinn> !moderate *** mode/#lounge [+m] by Snuffles <andythehouseelf> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “L.J got it” in the main *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge <andythehouseelf> chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. Thanks for your cooperation! *** Poet has quit [Bye] <LJ> Just like in The Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets opens with Harry living miserably under the tyrannical rule of the Dursleys. Not much has changed since last year; Vernon is just as large and bossy, Petunia continues her thin, horse-like appearance and nosy ways, and Dudley is still obese, which is due, in part, to the amount his parents spoil him. For Harry, however, there have been some changes; a larger bedroom, and a bit more power on his side. The Dursley's, afraid of anything remotely magical, are unaware of the rules for underage wizards, and this clearly has an impact on the family; especially evident in Vernon's over-the-top reactions and Dudley's simpering cowardice when threatened by Harry <LJ> He uses their fear to his advantage for sometime, but loses the little power he had when his despicable relatives learn that Harry isn't allowed to use magic outside of school. Vernon takes extreme measures, as usual, and promptly locks his nephew in his room, which is adorned with bars on the windows (he'd rather keep Harry prisoner year-round than send him back to Hogwarts). Harry is forced to spend a large part of the summer without his school things, living on measley meals forced through a cat-flap installed in his bedroom door, and must sooth Hedwig, as she remains imprisoned in her cage for just as long. What changes (if any) do you notice in the way Harry is treated from Book One to Book Two? *** elizabethsprague has quit [Bye] *** Poet has joined #lounge *** cbaker1 has joined #lounge *** Belenzie left #lounge [] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge *** Evreka has joined #lounge <magicmeg8> Sorry, we're going to announce that one again, as we had some problems. <LJ> Just like in The Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets opens with Harry living miserably under the tyrannical rule of the Dursleys. Not much has changed since last year; Vernon is just as large and bossy, Petunia continues her thin, horse-like appearance and nosy ways, and Dudley is still obese, which is due, in part, to the amount his parents spoil him. For Harry, however, there have been some changes <LJ> a larger bedroom, and a bit more power on his side. The Dursley's, afraid of anything remotely magical, are unaware of the rules for underage wizards, and this clearly has an impact on the family; especially evident in Vernon's over-the-top reactions and Dudley's simpering cowardice when threatened by Harry <LJ> He uses their fear to his advantage for sometime, but loses the little power he had when his despicable relatives learn that Harry isn't allowed to use magic outside of school. Vernon takes extreme measures, as usual, and promptly locks his nephew in his room, which is adorned with bars on the windows (he'd rather keep Harry prisoner year-round than send him back to Hogwarts). Harry is forced to spend a large part of the summer without *** Estrella has joined #lounge <LJ> his school things, living on measley meals forced through a cat-flap installed in his bedroom door, and must sooth Hedwig, as she remains imprisoned in her cage for just as long. What changes (if any) do you notice in the way Harry is treated from Book One to Book Two *** vera has joined #lounge *** Estrella has quit [Bye] *** Estrella has joined #lounge *** mode/#lounge [+o Estrella] by Snuffles <Aislinn> !unmoderate *** mode/#lounge [-m] by Snuffles <SoonerGryffindor> I see that Harry is actually being treated worse now--even before they find out he can't do the m word outside of school <magicmeg8> In what ways, Sooner? <Belenzie> it's indifference <SoonerGryffindor> well he says its the worst b-day he has ever had <Sofie> i think they Dursleys are actually afraid of harry and thats why they treat him worse <Theoriser> as somebody said in the reading group, they don't make him do chores until he pretends to do magic <magicmeg8> True, but that's in part because he hasn't gotten his letters. <SoonerGryffindor> and Petunia tried to get physically abusive with him <Poet> Dudley remembers Harry's birthday. I assume that's because they are only about a year apart in age and Dudley like tormenting Harry. <kitti> They just try and shut him out, and forget about him <Belenzie> even after he's punished they still treat him indifferently, they don't gloat or patronize him- petunia doesn't say anything throughout the times zshe brings him food <SoonerGryffindor> Dudley is ony 1 month older than Harry <Evreka> There is this instance where Petunia aims a blow at his HEAD with her frying pan in COS, we didn't ever see any abuse in PS/SS did we <Aislinn> yes sooner - i got the impression they had some meager celebration or at least acknowledgement of his birthday before the magic came out <Evreka> Physical I mean <magicmeg8> I agree, Evreka. that was a bit extreme <Poet> oops - meant month <Aislinn> not physical abuse evreka <Aislinn> although living in a cupboard is certainly abuse *** R3Mu has joined #lounge <SoonerGryffindor> yes, this is the first time that we see Petunia trying to physcially abuse Harry <Sofie> yes, i was quite shocked <SoonerGryffindor> and its before she knows about the rule <LJ> Vernon has threatened Harry with physical abuse before <Evreka> Mental abuse he has grown up with sad *** Fidster has joined #lounge <Poet> Even Tom M. Riddle never had it this bad *** Whisperwing left #lounge [] <Sofie> thats true, Poet <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but I get the feeling maybe Petunia never dd <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think Petunia's reaction was reflexive because Dudley was threatened <Theoriser> do you think she would have actually hit harry, or did she expect him to dodge it? *** Praxagora has joined #lounge <Evreka> Threated - yes <SoonerGryffindor> I have the feeling that the protection coming from her would not have allowed id <Sofie> i think she really wanted to hit him <Jrg1990> i think she knew hed dodge it. <SoonerGryffindor> *it <kitti> He's never really gone through with his threats, well at this point anyway *** Fidster has quit [Bye] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think it goes to show she would do anything to protect those she loves, like her sister <vera> hello everyone... I think if she wasn't afrair she would <vera> afraid <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I mean, it's a small example, but the Dursleys think magic is the ultimate danger <LJ> !halfop Praxagora *** mode/#lounge [+h Praxagora] by Snuffles <Theoriser> I noticed how harry seems really scared of uncle vernon, it kind of suggests that he's hurt him before <SoonerGryffindor> I think that there is something with his protection that will not allow him to be hurt while he is living there <Evreka> And then there's the point with the pocket-money <SoonerGryffindor> at least not something life-threatening <Theoriser> ooooh nice idea sooner <Theoriser> maybe that's it <Praxagora> hi folks! I really don't want to think that bad of Petunia, bad, yes, but not that bad.. I think it was a threat <Poet> The pocket money appears to have stopped coming when Harry began showing signs of magical abilities <vera> I think if they weren't afraid of him they would treat him niver <SoonerGryffindor> the pocket money stopped somewhere around the age of 6, I think <vera> nicer <Sofie> wonder why did they gave him pocket amny at all <Praxagora> not a coincidene I'm sure Poet <Evreka> I don't give much for a step-mother who'd killed her step-son saying "Oh, I thought he should duck..." <Sofie> *money <magicmeg8> definitely -- quite a lot of changes happened when they realized he wasn't allowed to do magic. <Evreka> Exactly Poet <magicmeg8> haha evreka <SoonerGryffindor> are we only comparing SS to CoS, or are we going farther in the story than that here? <magicmeg8> personally, i think the amount of food they give him is really horrible. <Jrg1990> lol evreka. That is true. <vera> they are afraid to death of Harry, mistreating him is just a way of defence to them <Aislinn> we're focusing on CoS sooner <Evreka> Me to magicmeg <LJ> We can relate it to other books, as long as the focus is on CoS <Aislinn> for the most part <SoonerGryffindor> just wanting to make sure smile *** R3Mu left #lounge [] <magicmeg8> smile <Evreka> *too <LJ> same as the RG's <Sofie> yeah, meg, i agree. not to mention that harry was supposed to make the breakfast for them, too. at the age of 11 <vera> he was aservant *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] <vera> poor boy <kitti> They seem to be more in control of Harry after they realise he can't do magic. I wonder what they'll do in book 7, when he's allowed to do magic. <Evreka> Treated similar to a House-Elf, he didn't even have his own clothes! <SoonerGryffindor> I had a theory in my reading group that Harry would have been her slave anyway that day, but that she just needed a good excuse <magicmeg8> I agree, Kitty. <Aislinn> that makes sense sooner <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> good point Evreka <LJ> I agree Sooner <cbaker1> Interesting compariston Evreka <Poet> Jo shows that there are different types of evil in the world. We see different types of discrimination in book 2...starting here at the beginning with the Dursleys.... <SoonerGryffindor> because the book mentions that he had been making those threats all summer <vera> good point poet <SoonerGryffindor> good point Evreka, but Vernon gave him socks....lol <Evreka> And to ignore a child's birthday completely! <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol S/G <Evreka> LOL <Praxagora> I can't seem to decide which drives them more evilness or fear.. <vera> fear I guess <Aislinn> fear I think <Theoriser> fear <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmmmm - fear definitely <SoonerGryffindor> fear can make people do very evil things <Praxagora> it can <Sofie> why do you think DD wasnt aware of the things happening to Harry under the Dursley's roof? <Evreka> fear, but also - it must be something more <cbaker1> fear. Perhaps jealousy of Lily on Petunia's part, though? <LJ> he gave him socks, that's the way to free a House-Elf - is this a sort of metaphor for Vernon not wanting Harry? <Theoriser> he was, wasn't he? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - to them they probably feel they're being protective of their family <vera> Maybe he felt he was safe enough <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> self preservation <Theoriser> because in hbp he says he knows that harry was never treated well <kitti> Harry didn't want to seem weak I guess <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think DD knew about the day to day stuff <Poet> Book 2- people afraid of others for their differences (Dursleys - Harry & magic, Students - Harry & parsletongue, MoM and other - Hagrid because he's half giant, the purebloods - against house elves with their powerful magic) <magicmeg8> Ooh, good thinking, Laurie (L.J) <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - Poet - ignorance <Poet> I think so LJ - the socks also represent Harry's own freedom in a way - <Sofie> good point Poet <Evreka> Not really theoriser, he says he saw that when Harry arrived to Hogwearts <Praxagora> yeah, good point <vera> Voldemort would be the worst threat to Harry and since that was taken care of DD thought everything is alright <Aislinn> yes poet, anything different from the "norm" is anathema to the Dursleys <Evreka> agree aislinn *** andythehouseelf has quit [Bye] *** Estrella has quit [Bye] <Sofie> agree Aislinn <SoonerGryffindor> how do you guys think of the way Harry coped with the situation? Was is right for him to threaten to use magic and play with Dudley's mind like that? <Poet> And what do they do with people they are afraid of? Lock them up (or like house elves - magically lock them up) *** andythehouseelf has joined #lounge *** andythehouseelf has quit [Bye] *** andythehouseelf has joined #lounge <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I don't think it was right S/G, but Dudley didn't really leave him much choice <cbaker1> That's right, Aislinn, which hearkens back to the first sentence of the first book, and the parallel in COS where Jo describes Harry as not normal. <Evreka> Sooner - he is 12, abused, lonely and now mentally tormented <Theoriser> harry has a little slytherin in him as well as gryffindor, it may have just been that (to sooner) <vera> I think he reacted with the only way they had taught him..threat..it was natural *** mode/#lounge [+o andythehouseelf] by Snuffles <Aislinn> harry doesn't have a lot of defenses against dudley's bullying - I think it was an effective tool <SoonerGryffindor> I personally liked it, it showed his dark humor <Evreka> No wonder I say, he just gives back with the only thing he has as a weapon <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - the only time Harry uses it maliciously is in OotP <Poet> I don't think Harry should have threatened Dudley, but he's only nearly 12 and it's hard not to lash back. <Sofie> he used the only way in which he was good <LJ> How has Harry’s relationship with the Dursleys changed from Book One? Does he take less notice of them because he is away from Privet Drive 10 months out of the year, and knows that he will be able to escape them again soon? Has he become more confident in speaking up against them? *** Estrella has joined #lounge <Sofie> he doesnt care about them that much any more i think <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> To a degree, LJ you're right <Aislinn> he wasn't really threatening him, though, poet, since he had not intention of following through <SoonerGryffindor> he matured so much in that first year <Theoriser> I think he's more confident speaking back to them, but he is still scared of them a little <Sofie> because he has a new family - the Weasleys and hermione <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> he sees his stay as temporary <Evreka> In one way it has improved <magicmeg8> I think his time at the Dursleys' is more excrutiating for him, but it seems that he's made some changes in the way he responds to them <SoonerGryffindor> he has now experienced what it is like to be accepted and like for who he is <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> good point meg <magicmeg8> We definitely see him stand up more often. <vera> he knows there are other people like him..people who love and respect him. He's more confident now <SoonerGryffindor> he never had that before <Aislinn> I think he gets more confident with the knowledge that the Dursleys is not all there is to life <magicmeg8> and he uses his magic to his advantage. <Evreka> Between Harry got his letter and he caught the train in PS, they ignored him completely <kitti> He's so desperate to get back to Hogwarts, he'll do anything to get away from the Dursley's <magicmeg8> true, evreka <SoonerGryffindor> he takes his "weakness" and turns it against them <Evreka> That is the worst you can do to a child I think - complete ignorance <vera> and uses their fear as his weapon <magicmeg8> Vera, I think that's important -- that he knows it's not just the Dursleys in his life. <magicmeg8> Right, Sooner. <Sofie> i think he aslo realited that its not his fault that the Dursleys threat him badly <Sofie> *realized <kitti> He's experienced love and compassion from the Weasley's <SoonerGryffindor> Actually, I think Dobby hurt him more emotionally by withholding his letters <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - sofie - you're right <LJ> When he tried to defend Hedwig, by saying that she was bored and that's why she was making so much noise, I feel that in PS/SS he probably wouldn't have spoken up about it - but would have taken the verbal abuse from Vernon silently <Aislinn> yes, sooner <magicmeg8> yeah -- i think in ps/ss he would have just shrugged. <Aislinn> he was still unsure of his new status as an actual friend, and not getting letters really made him doubt himself <vera> yes LJ <Evreka> That's a good point Sooner <Aislinn> I agree LJ <SoonerGryffindor> yes, its like he started to wonder if it was all real <Aislinn> exactly <magicmeg8> interesting that they only animal we've seen in contact with the dursley is hedwig <andythehouseelf> Agreed Aislinn but I think the fact that he felt alone kinda made him stronger. <Aislinn> and ripper meg <vera> and more determined to leave *** crits12 has joined #lounge <crits12> hello <Evreka> He didn't really believe he STILL had friends and that was terrible <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but it was so bad that he would have been happy to see Draco at that point <vera> it was too much for him to cope within a year <Sofie> lol i donbt that though :P <SoonerGryffindor> that's pretty desperate <Poet> I agree 100% Aislinn - <Sofie> *doubt *** crits12 has quit [Bye] <Evreka> Plus he had that nearly got killed only weeks before going back <Aislinn> that's true evreka <Evreka> He needed comfort and hugs, love and understanding *GRRRR* <Poet> He is back to feeling a little like he was before PS/SS - like the bored snake in the cage with everyone starting at him like he's weird <Praxagora> yeah, he had, and not to be able to talk about it.. <SoonerGryffindor> but I think its good for him to go back to somewhere that he is not everyone's hero in a way <Praxagora> true, but the Dursleys is pushing it hehe <Evreka> Exactly Praxagora <Aislinn> except after a trauma, its good to be able to talk it out with someone, and he can't at the dursleys <andythehouseelf> Yes Sooner. He sort of has that contrast within himself also. <Aislinn> we see that later, after GoF, and OotP <Evreka> Exactly Aislinn <vera> which makes him special <SoonerGryffindor> he goes back to being "just Harry" *** crits12 has joined #lounge <magicmeg8> two great extremes -- but they seem to work for him. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think he always sees himself as 'just harry' regardless of whether he's at the Dursleys or at school <crits12> i agree <Evreka> Or does he simply have no alternative? <Aislinn> i agree gfab *** kitti left #lounge [] <andythehouseelf> Yes meg. I like how it sort of "grounds him". Hes not a superhero. <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but its really driven home when he goes back to #4 <Evreka> No he is human <Poet> A house elf is telling him Hogwarts is not safe for him? He just beat the Dark Lord a month ago. How's that for shooting down your confidence. *** Estrella has quit [Bye] <Praxagora> I wonder if even the Dursleys know how famous he is in the w world. Does P know how famous Lily was? <Evreka> which the Dursleys are not sad <magicmeg8> right. and as far as his relationship with the dursleys -- i definitely think he;s become much more separate from them as of cos -- he's not really a follwoer, just someone in their home. <Aislinn> I doubt it praxagora <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think Petunia may have a sense of how important he is <Praxagora> yeah, I wonder.. *** vera has quit [Bye] <Sofie> i think that the majority of ppl like hary because Jo write a superhiro but an ordinary boy who is destined to become a hero once the series end *** mammaprince has joined #lounge <andythehouseelf> Lily wasnt famous before she died though I think <cbaker1> gfab--I've wondered what Petunia's thoughts are as compared to Vernon's <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder if they have ever read the Daily Prophet articles he lined Hedwigs cage with <Sofie> *i mean Jo didnt write <Evreka> I don't know it's hard to guess what Petunia knows <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think she resents that he may be deemed more special than her Dudders *** WizBang101 has joined #lounge <Aislinn> they would have to know what it meant that he lived through LV's attack, and I doubt they know enough about the wizarding world to understand this <Praxagora> true Aislinn <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> which is probably why she delights in putting him down *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] <Evreka> LOLSooner <Aislinn> I think they would avoid it like the plague sooner <cbaker1> gfab--kind of a "next generation" Petunia vs. Lily, Dudley vs. Harry parallel <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yep <crits12> yeah <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but Petunia is awfully nosy... <Praxagora> yeah, I see that very clear <magicmeg8> good point, cbaker. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I do think Petunia was jealous of her sis <Poet> Ah - excellent point Sofie about the "hero to be" <Praxagora> the parallell I mean <crits12> i think she knows alot more than we know she knows <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> agree crits *** WizBang101 has quit [Bye] <Evreka> After OOTP who knows what she knows <mammaprince> I think she was part of the magic world for awhil <Sofie> i think Petunia knows lot more about the wizarding world than Jo makes us believe *** WizBang101 has joined #lounge <mammaprince> living with her sister I mean <Praxagora> and she does anything to hide it, to be normal <SoonerGryffindor> think about it: Harry defeats the most powerful dark wizard at the age of one, strangers are bowing to him in public, and DD himself drops him off on their doorstep <Aislinn> it'll be interesting to see if we learn that in the next book, sofie <Evreka> Yeah, would Vernon leave her otherwise? <SoonerGryffindor> I think Petunia at least had some idea of his importance to the wizarding world <Aislinn> none of that would mean anything to them, though <mammaprince> He might not like the fact that she knows alot about the wizarding world <LJ> The Dursleys' fear of magic is more evident in this book. They mistreat Harry because of this fear, or possibly use it as an excuse to. Is this fear another consequence of their prejudiced world-view, or is it perhaps rooted in something deeper <LJ> ? <Aislinn> do they know how important dumbledore is? <Evreka> Perhaps, but since she doesn't acknowledge it? <crits12> i think they realize dd is a important part <crits12> they seem to repsect him alot <SoonerGryffindor> I think that since they know more of the situation that the average muggle, they know just enough to be scared <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think Vernon is truly ignorant, but Petunia, being the submissive wife, goes along with the 'ignorance' <Sofie> i think they are afraid of magic. and think its abnoramal so necessarily evil <cbaker1> I wonder if the answer might be different for Petunia and Vernon. Petunia's relationship with Lily could play a part, but for Vernon that wouldn't necessarily be so. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> It's not until OotP that we see her stand up and be firm <SoonerGryffindor> Petunia grew up with Lilly, I'm sure she heard a lot about the world <cbaker1> Right, Sooner. <crits12> we don't know there is no magic on vernon's side of the family <Sofie> maybe she was jealous of lily <magicmeg8> Personally, i think it's odd that they hate magic so much. unless the way it effected petunia caused her to feel that way, i don't understand why they would be so against magic. <mammaprince> I am sure she would have known other witches and wizards <SoonerGryffindor> look what magic did to Lily and James <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - she was definitely jealous of Lily IMO <mammaprince> yeah mine too <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Lily was treated as special <Sofie> there are lots of ppl in the muggle world too, who think that different is evil <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> made her parents proud <SoonerGryffindor> I would be scared of it if I were petunia <Evreka> They recent everything odd - magic is odd <Praxagora> when Harry say: you didn't say the m word I think their reactions are interesting. Vernon is scared, but Petunia is more shocked and annoyed in a way <Evreka> Isn't it a bit as all real people who claim HP is evil without having read the books? <mammaprince> Offended <SoonerGryffindor> we know from Petunias reaction in OotP that she realizes what LV being back means <Aislinn> evreka - that is a good point <SoonerGryffindor> and that it scared her very, very much <Praxagora> I yeah <Aislinn> and they also make a point of not learning more about it, because they think its evil <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes S/G - it becomes too real the threat on Harry *** Poet has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> which is how I see the dursleys view of magic <Sofie> woned how did Petunia explained that matter to Vernon when Harry arrived at their doorsetep *** Poet has joined #lounge <cbaker1> Fear from ignorance rather than a "reasoned" fear <Evreka> Exactly, Aislinn *** mammaprince left #lounge [] <magicmeg8> I just don't get how someone wouldn't be interested...even a little bit, in magic. *** crits12 has quit [Bye] <Sofie> *wonder <Aislinn> I think it goes back to fear of the different again <Poet> Perhaps the Dursleys want to be the best, and they are 100% lacking in terms of magic. For someone to be able to do something that they can't and never will be able to do - must really rub them the wrong way. <Evreka> yeah <Sofie> good point, poet <magicmeg8> That makes sense, poet! OK, i can see how that could happen <Evreka> No i don't think Vernon is the least bit interested in magic <Praxagora> me neither Evreka <Poet> If the Dursleys were magical.....they'd have pure blood sentimentalities in my opinion - must be the best. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> There are a lot of things going on with the Dursleys: fear, resentment, jealousy, ignorance... <Praxagora> that's a genuine scepticism hehe <magicmeg8> yeah, i agree poet <Evreka> he truelly wants to be normal, that way noone can look at him and call him funny <SoonerGryffindor> look at it from Petunia's POV-- the whole time she knew about the magical world was during LV's first reign of terror That had to set magic up in her mind as being something very negative <Sofie> intolerance <Praxagora> true Sooner <andythehouseelf> Good point Sooner. <magicmeg8> true -- if she even knew much about it, though, sooner. do we see them prejudiced against other things? or just magic? <Praxagora> But we don't know how involved she was <Evreka> But how much was she effected before Lily's death? <Poet> Yes indeed. A Dark Lord who terrorizes with magic....horrible. <SoonerGryffindor> Oh, I see them prejudiced against a lot of things <Aislinn> I bet they are prejudiced agaiinst anything different from themselves <Evreka> Me too <Poet> It's a feeling of helplessness too. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> you're probably right Aislinn <Aislinn> think about Vernon's reaction to the people he saw on the street in cloaks, before he knew they were wizards <SoonerGryffindor> but the underlying fear makes that the number 1 prejudice, IMO <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> They're like the Buckets on 'Keeping up Appearances' <Poet> Yes Aislinn - what ever they are - you are aren't that.... *** HeleneB has joined #lounge <Evreka> We know the sisters hadn't seen eachother since before Harry was born <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> they don't associate with anything deemed to be abnormal <Praxagora> yeah Ginny hehe <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol <Evreka> Sad isn't it, they must have been pregnant at the same time <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes <SoonerGryffindor> yes, it is sad <Praxagora> yep *** WizBang101 left #lounge [] <Poet> Abnormal is in the eyes of the beholder for certain. <Aislinn> exactly gfab <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yep <Sofie> i must leave sad *** HeleneB has quit [Bye] <Sofie> bye all <Aislinn> bye sofie <Theoriser> I have to go too <SoonerGryffindor> bye <Theoriser> bye <magicmeg8> bye sofie <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> bye Sofie *** HeleneB has joined #lounge <Aislinn> bye theo *** Theoriser has quit [Bye] *** Sofie has quit [Bye] <Evreka> I rather look forward to Harry becomming of age 11 months before Dudley - that must vex Dudley something terrible when he finds out tongue <Poet> "Life at the Burrow was as different as possible from life on Privet Drive." <SoonerGryffindor> I love that sentence <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes <Praxagora> me too! <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> too right Evreka *** WizBang101 has joined #lounge <Poet> The Dursleys are the anti-Weasleys <SoonerGryffindor> and magic was the least way in which it was different <HeleneB> Do you really think Harry will be rid of the Dursleys once he becomes of age? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Exactly Poet <Aislinn> very true sooner *** WizBang101 left #lounge [] <Evreka> Exactly Sooner <SoonerGryffindor> not sure Helene <Praxagora> I think so, they wont be of any use anymore *** WizBang101 has joined #lounge <Evreka> No, but when he leaves after this summer <cbaker1> But I think Petunia, at least, holds more for the story <Aislinn> I think he will, after he learns something important from them *** WizBang101 left #lounge [] <HeleneB> I'm fond of the theory that the Dursley's home will be attacked and destroyed on Harry's 17th birthday and the Dursleys will have to go to #12 G for protection <Praxagora> But Sirius never suspected he had to go back to GP.. <SoonerGryffindor> me too Helene <Praxagora> 12 <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes Evreka - I think you're right <magicmeg8> What do you think about the Dursleys' need for control, Vernon in particular? What does it say about them? What affect does it have on Harry? <cbaker1> That could definitely provide a bit of comic relief as well, if things get too serious <Evreka> LOL Helene <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think Dudley holds more too <SoonerGryffindor> Vernon is definitely a control freak <HeleneB> Do you think that need to control was there before Harry? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yep <HeleneB> At least to this degree? <SoonerGryffindor> He would rather have Harry live with them full-time that let him go <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - I agree he needs to control matters <HeleneB> Isn't that amazing? <SoonerGryffindor> It really is <Evreka> There's a problem with the theory of hiding the Dursleys in 12 GP <Evreka> It's invisible to all but those told by AD <SoonerGryffindor> what problem? <HeleneB> He can't stand the kid but he does everything in his power to keep him at his home. WHY? <SoonerGryffindor> DD told them *** WizBang101 has joined #lounge <HeleneB> And DD told them it was the headquarters of the ORder. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Helene, I think Vernon would make an ideal Slytherin <cbaker1> Very good question, Helene. Perhaps Petunia isn't as helpless as it seems. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol <Evreka> Not where the house is? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> He likes to make Harry miserable <Praxagora> he really does <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> it's an enjoyment for him <magicmeg8> If Vernon does not have control, things tend to explode, and there's always a scapegoat -- which is never him. <Evreka> Did he? I might have to reread it <SoonerGryffindor> WHY does he like to though? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Well... <HeleneB> I don't think Petunia is helpless at all. Look at quickly Vernon backed down in OotP when Petunia said Harry had to stay <magicmeg8> I agree Helene -- she definitely holds some cards <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Evreka, he really did <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> some people actually get a charge out of making others miserable through trying to control them <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> we see it in every day life <WizBang101> i thought that Vernon would make a better <Evreka> Then I LOVE that theory tongue <SoonerGryffindor> lol <Evreka> True Helene <cbaker1> I think you're right, Helene <WizBang101> hufflepuff *** Poet has quit [Bye] *** Poet has joined #lounge <Evreka> Are you training on Apparition, Poet :wink ? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol <HeleneB> I think there has to be more to Vernon and Petunia's behavior than just simple tyrant mentality <Evreka> * wink * SoonerGryffindor is rolling on the floor imagining Vernon being a Hufflepuff.... Sue would freak out <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Maybe with Petunia <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I just don't see Vernon as a multi-dimensional character <Aislinn> I know people around here who have their type of mentality - the need to look absolutely normal <Poet> Destinatoin, determination, deliberation... <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I feel it's a what you see is what you get <Praxagora> yeah, I would say she's the one we doesn't have enough info on <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> with him at least <Praxagora> we don't <Evreka> LOL <Aislinn> to be the model of their view of what a typical person is <HeleneB> People who are control freaks become that way because of the something that happened when they were younger. Victim of some form of violence are very vontrolling <WizBang101> Vernon is more of a Hufflepuff cause he works and works in his own world not a cunning person like a sythian <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Well examine Aunt Marge - she's very similar <SoonerGryffindor> look at Aunt Marge.. she's pretty messed up too <Praxagora> Vernon went to the same school as Dudley which does not sound nice.. <Aislinn> but Hufflepuffs are welcoming of all - not Vernon <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she's very doting on those she cares about <SoonerGryffindor> lol gfab--same thought <Poet> I can see your point HeleneB about reasons people control <Aislinn> true gfab <WizBang101> true that a good point <Evreka> Vernon is a Slytherin- except he's muggle <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I mean she even mildly insults Petrunia... <Evreka> Because he wants to control people <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> despite how Petunia may feel of her sisteer, I think it might have hurt to have Aunt Marge call her what she did <Evreka> He'd love the Imperio on Harry - too bad it's magic... <magicmeg8> Why does Petunia make such a big effort for Vernon's "business dinner," and keep the house so clean? Do her motivations have anything to do with the view of a "good wife?" Could they be rooted in a need for control? <WizBang101> yeah is he a bit like a cabbe and goyle i guess <Praxagora> yep, too stupid for ravenclaw, not brave enough for gryffindoor, too evil for hufflepuff: Vernon would have to be Slytherin hehe <Aislinn> its interesting that we never really get a true read of how Petunia is feeling about things - its much more interaction betwen Harry and Vernon <HeleneB> Super clean is a form of control <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think it's a bit of both Meg <Aislinn> yes Meg, I think that has a lot to do with it <HeleneB> In a way, anorexia is a form of control <Aislinn> Keeping up appearances <SoonerGryffindor> maybe she uses dragon blood to clean the kitchen smile <Aislinn> being the model wife <HeleneB> :D <Praxagora> eww... hehe <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She wants her family, her household, to be aesthetically picture perfect <Poet> If Harry is a blight on their normal life, then she needs to overcompensate by controlling what she can. <SoonerGryffindor> I agree, I clean when I get upset <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> The Dursleys are superficial <HeleneB> And yet she seems so out of the reality of Dudley's life <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> it's all about how they look on the outside <SoonerGryffindor> because it is at least one mess I can control <WizBang101> petunia is more like a Huffleopuff? <Evreka> Perhaps but I think she simply wants to best her neighbours <Aislinn> exactly gfab <LJ> Petunia is all about looking good to the neighbours <HeleneB> Aislinn, who's gfab? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> good point Evreka <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but from what we see the neighbors never evn come over <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> we catch a hint of that when Vernon talks about sealing the deal <Evreka> No they are supposed to be loyal... and for justice, fair people <andythehouseelf> (GFAB = Ginny-From-A-Bottle Helene B) <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and how it will secure him a vacation home in majorca <LJ> Ginny-From-A-Bottle: Helene <HeleneB> Could Petunia wanting to be better than her neighbors come from feeling inferior to Lily? <WizBang101> Petunia is neutral as a neutral can be? <HeleneB> Gotch, LJ--thanks! <Praxagora> I think that's very possible HeleneB <SoonerGryffindor> I love Harry's line about the Dursleys not liking him any more in majorca <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol <SoonerGryffindor> kinda sad, really <Evreka> I hate the way they treat him sad <Praxagora> yeah, reminds me of "matilda" <HeleneB> Yes. Harry knows very well how things stand. He has a very good grasp of reality. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> but what about Harry's thoughts - I'm throwing this out <HeleneB> I think the Dursleys will get their's in the end. <Evreka> Which thoughts? <LJ> Could Petunia be trying so hard for the "business dinner" because it would result in Vernon selling Drills, which would mean they could buy a holiday home - are material things important to Petunia for status? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Harry thinks to himself when he thinks about his bank account at Gringotts that the Dursleys... <SoonerGryffindor> what do you think that will be Helene? <Poet> Definitely HeleneB - her sister was "perfect" supposedly in the eyes of their parents <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> wouldn't care too much how it was acquired if they knew about it *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> so... <Evreka> Oh yes, all of them are on to status I think <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> it suggests he has them bang on <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes <magicmeg8> Laurie (L.J) i think Petunia is definitely that shallow *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <Evreka> Look at how Dudley allways get the newest latest and best *** mode/#lounge [+o Aislinn] by Snuffles <HeleneB> They will lose control of the entire situation if the wizarding war ends up on their very doorstep, and they had to rely on the very people they have maligned all these years for their vary existance. *** DorisTLC has joined #lounge <SoonerGryffindor> I think it also draws a nice parallel with the Weasley family <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - but so is Vernon - I'm not so sure about his motives though - does he do it to impress her? <WizBang101> Petunia is a try hard and jealous but not a witch at all <magicmeg8> Yeah, good observation, Evreka <Evreka> and 38 presents for the sake of getting more and more and more.... <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I mean try to be successful that is *** mode/#lounge [+o DorisTLC] by Snuffles <SoonerGryffindor> I thought you might have meant something like that Helen, I think that too <cbaker1> Just to play devil's advocate, if the Dursleys really are this evil, descriminatory, abusive, materialistic, etc, then why do they keep harry? I find it hard to believe they keep him simply to abuse him. It seems taht if it were possible, Vernon would be done with the whole magic buisiness in a heartbeat. Yet they still keep Harry... <SoonerGryffindor> I love the contrast between the materialsm of the dursleys and the weasleys capacity for love *** secretkeepertoall has joined #lounge <HeleneB> I wonder what the Dursley would do if they had to spend a year at #12G. Would they just wallow in their misery or would they eventually get to know and (dreadful) like some of these people? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think they keep him out of fear of DD <Evreka> Because there's something we don't know yet <magicmeg8> I think the way they try to schmooze Vernon's boss is disgusting -- it just adds to how desperate they are to be on the up and up. *** secretkeepertoall has quit [Bye] <SoonerGryffindor> hopefully they would learn their lesson Helene <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> OotP - 'Remember my last Petunia' <Aislinn> Petunia would have a stroke, seeing the condition of the place Helene <WizBang101> Poor Petunia, such a compulsive-obessive Woman who does not like things to change <Evreka> Something related to AD's letters to Petunia *** Pleshette has joined #lounge <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Did DD mean last howler? <Poet> We see at the beginning of Book 1 that he likes ordering people around at work - it makes his day. Harry is an opportunity to do the same at home? <Aislinn> Its not exactly pristine like #4 <HeleneB> I just love the thought of the Dursleys and Sirius's mother's portrait <Aislinn> lol <SoonerGryffindor> lol <SoonerGryffindor> me too *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge <cbaker1> Yeah, good points, Evreka and gfab. <Pleshette> Hi everyone! What's the topic? <Islwyn13> Howdy, all smile <Evreka> I'd love to see her try to clean it... <magicmeg8> Hi Pleshette and Islwyn13, today we're discussing the Dursleys. Currently we're looking at the way they view material things <cbaker1> That's part of the mystery, I suppose. <Aislinn> the Dursleys, pleshette <SoonerGryffindor> hey Pleshette, we're talking aobut he Dursleys <Islwyn13> oh, you mean their complete obsession with outward appearances? <magicmeg8> Yes smile <Praxagora> yep <Islwyn13> you're not worth anything if you don't drive a huge car? <HeleneB> But would they want to help in the fight to get back at whoever destroyed their house? How much growth are they capable of? Would such an event (something else JK might have in mind) be enough of a life changing event? <Aislinn> was it in this book that they are outside loudly admiring the new company car - so the neighbors can hear? <SoonerGryffindor> not sure Ais <Islwyn13> don't remember, may have been PS <cbaker1> Oh, good idea, Helene. Voldy destroys thier house, they fight against Voldy, simply for the sake of thier material things. Is that the gist of it? <Evreka> I think it's in POA <Aislinn> I don't see huge growth coming from them in the final book helene <Praxagora> we will see another side of P I think. Even Vernon will be surpised.. <Evreka> Me neither <Praxagora> But that's just my guess smile <Islwyn13> Petunia has potention to grow, I think <LJ> it's PS right -cos Vernon didn't want to leave Harry in the new car at the Zoo <Poet> bye <HeleneB> That's what I was thinking, cbaker. <Islwyn13> JKR has eluded to seeing/learning more about Petunia <Evreka> Bye <HeleneB> Bye Poet <Aislinn> bye poet <Praxagora> see you Poet! <WizBang101> Dursley are funny people, very risk-adverse type, just scare of doing most things, they will run when Vody comes <magicmeg8> Bye poet! <WizBang101> bye *** Poet has quit [Bye] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Good observation Wiz <Pleshette> I think P will give Harry some info about his mother <SoonerGryffindor> I hope so Pleshette <Evreka> Perhaps <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think she ends up protecting him somehow <Praxagora> and not tell Vernon <SoonerGryffindor> actually, I think it will be Hary protecting them <Evreka> I don't but possibly the other way around <Islwyn13> Petunia started to come out of her shell in OotP, when she let slip she knows more about the wizarding world <Evreka> IE I agree with Sooner <Praxagora> yeah <HeleneB> Well, after my SS reading group, I think Petunia has already kept things from Vernon <WizBang101> maybe Islwyn13 <Aislinn> that seems likely sooner <Islwyn13> And was reminded about the danger of LV's return when DD sent the howler <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - agree Helene <SoonerGryffindor> like other correspondence from dd? <cbaker1> That's right, Islwyn <HeleneB> Yep <Pleshette> I agree <Praxagora> yeah <Evreka> I want to know what the Boggarts made Dudley see.... <Islwyn13> Maybe she'll realize how serious the situation is, how much danger Harry really is in <WizBang101> P will have something for Harry in book seven, I think <Pleshette> But will she care? <Praxagora> oooh, me too Evreka! and we will <Evreka> GRRR *dementors <HeleneB> That whole "remember my last" which implies there was a first <SoonerGryffindor> you mean dementor, right? <Islwyn13> the question is whether she'll be upstanding and help Harry as much as she can, or whether she'll boot him at the first opportunity <magicmeg8> Why does Dudley treat Harry so badly? Is it because he has grown up seeing him treated this way by his parents, or is it just in his nature to be cruel to him? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Helene - I'm thinking DD was referring to another howler <Islwyn13> I.E. when Harry turns 17 and she can do so with a "clear" conscience <HeleneB> I think some of Dudley's behavior is learned from his folks. <SoonerGryffindor> it is partly a way to make himself feel better too <Praxagora> in his nature brought by his lovely father I think¨ <Islwyn13> I think he was refering to the note he left with baby Harry <Islwyn13> the one that described how important it was that Harry stay with them <HeleneB> I have a feeling Dudley was also encouraged in his behavior by his parents <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmmm - I'm of the belief there was further correspondence <Praxagora> yeah *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge <Evreka> Me too Helene *** wronskifeint has quit [Bye] *** wronskifeint has joined #lounge <Evreka> It is, gfab <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I'm thinking DD has had to send a few 'wise up' missives <WizBang101> It would be cool if Petunia knows about a spell other than Patronus, as mention by Snape in book six. <wronskifeint> hello? <Islwyn13> Quite possible, GFAB, everytime Petunia wavered about keeping Harry <Aislinn> Hi wronskifeint - we're discussing the Dursleys today, right now focusing on Dudley <SoonerGryffindor> maybe Dudley knows deep within that Harry is special-- and I'm not referring to magical ability <wronskifeint> okey <magicmeg8> I think Dudley was helped along with this parents -- he might have turned out completely differently had he not been born to them <Praxagora> with Vernon at work every day it is very possible that owls have flown by Privet Drive from DD *** cbaker1 has quit [Bye] <HeleneB> Hi wronski <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - exactly <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Is <Islwyn13> agreed about Dudley <Islwyn13> DD about says as much to the Dursleys in HB <Aislinn> Hi wronskifeint - we're discussing the Dursleys today, right now focusing on Dudley <SoonerGryffindor> maybe Dudley knows deep within that Harry is special-- and I'm not referring to magical ability <wronskifeint> okey <magicmeg8> I think Dudley was helped along with this parents -- he might have turned out completely differently had he not been born to them <Praxagora> with Vernon at work every day it is very possible that owls have flown by Privet Drive from DD *** cbaker1 has quit [Bye] <HeleneB> Hi wronski <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - exactly <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Is <Islwyn13> agreed about Dudley <Islwyn13> DD about says as much to the Dursleys in HBP <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes Isl <Evreka> Not so Harry and Dudley has seen it though... <Islwyn13> Spoil a child, and you get a spoiled child <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> suggests he's been 'damaged' <HeleneB> Yes <Islwyn13> yep, he's certainly damaged LOL *** secretkeepertoall has joined #lounge <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think there was more to that statement of his <WizBang101> Boy Sooner you make Dudley an asute boy <Evreka> Well he has, look at what he is doing in OOTP and HBP <wronskifeint> g2g bye *** wronskifeint has quit [Bye] <HeleneB> Dudley has been damaged in the same way you can "spoil" a potion <Praxagora> I can see what DD meant, I just don't see the connection to the dementor, that would have to have been something specific <SoonerGryffindor> Dudley has been damaged in a lot of the same ways that Draco has been <magicmeg8> How does his behavior reflect the Petunia and Vernion? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes Helene - I think, thought there might be a double meaning there <Evreka> I agree praxa <magicmeg8> *nix the "the" <SoonerGryffindor> I belive Dudley is the embodiment of all of the worst qualities of V and P <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LOL S/G <Praxagora> prob hehe <SoonerGryffindor> smile.gif <Islwyn13> it reflects that Petunia and Vernon have selective vision <Evreka> Oh my I better go get dinner, it's 8PM! <Evreka> Bye <Pleshette> True Sooner. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> definitely does <Islwyn13> they honestly don't see how horrible they've helped make Dudley <HeleneB> Has JK nixed that Dudley will do magic? I know she has with Petunia. <WizBang101> Dudley is a bit young for that to manisfest as yet though <SoonerGryffindor> bye <magicmeg8> bye evreka *** Evreka left #lounge [] <Pleshette> No bounda &a --------------------  My Avon Breast Cancer Walk Page and Blog! I'm In It to End It! |
 |
 
 
|
|
Jun 24 2006, 06:46 PM
Post
#2
|
|
|
Waiting for Wednesdays Posts: 9,209 Joined: 7:57am January 28, 2005 Location: Hiding from Hurricanes |
<Pleshette> No boundaries either
<magicmeg8> I agree islwyn. <HeleneB> Bye sooner <Praxagora> I have to catch a movie. Nice chatting guys smile <HeleneB> Bye <Aislinn> bye praxa! <HeleneB> praxa <WizBang101> bye <SoonerGryffindor> I' not leaving, I was telling Evreka bye <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> bye Prax <WizBang101> lol <LJ> bye Prax <HeleneB> Oh! lol <Islwyn13> don't think Dudley can do magic...that would mean Petunia is a carrier of the recessant Wizard gene smile <magicmeg8> it seems at this point his prejudices are less extreme than his parents' <Islwyn13> and I'm not sure she has any magic in her <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> But she could very well be Islwyn <Islwyn13> and I think Dudley's jealous because Harry can do things he can't <WizBang101> no magic for P or D <HeleneB> Well the gene is there--P is related to Lily <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she doesn't necessarily have to be magical herself to carry it <Islwyn13> imagine how dudley could bully the neighborhood kids if he could do magic! <HeleneB> So JK has said neither one? <magicmeg8> I think so, too Islwyn --he's always trying to one-up harry. <Islwyn13> doesn't necessarily mean Petunia is a carrier <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Has it ever been confirmed whether Dudley saw the Dementors? <SoonerGryffindor> does anybody els want the Dursleys to see what all Harry has had to go through so they can see how difficult of a life he has had? <HeleneB> Too bad, because I think that would be justice if Dudley did magic. What would P & V say to that? *** Praxagora has quit [Bye] <Islwyn13> nope, don't think Dudley saw them <Islwyn13> just felt them <Islwyn13> Dudley with magic...stop the world, I want off! <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and isn't it suggested that only magical people can see them? <HeleneB> LOL Gfab <Islwyn13> yes, only magical people can see them <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Doesn't Mrs. Figg admit she couldn't see them? <Islwyn13> not even squibs can see them (reference Mrs. Figg) <WizBang101> no I dont think that D saw Dementor but only feel them as a naughty should <Pleshette> Mrs. Figg, can she only feel them <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol <HeleneB> Sooner, I would like to see it, but I'm not sure they would care. <SoonerGryffindor> it would give me a sense of vindication <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think it would be totally ironic if Duds turns out to be magical <Islwyn13> agreed with Helene...selective vision <Islwyn13> they don't want to believe they've been horrible,s o they won't <HeleneB> I would like to see Harry do some serious magical butt kicking in front of them, though, so they can see what he's capable of. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Why do you think his parents have a freak out, every time he becomes angry? <Islwyn13> no matter what they see...well,maybe Petunia... <SoonerGryffindor> me too smile <Islwyn13> I still have hope for Petunia <WizBang101> Mrs Figgs lied to the council? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Why is he always coddles <Islwyn13> Vernon's a lost cause smile <SoonerGryffindor> agreed <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> coddled <Islwyn13> yes, she knew about dementors, and pretended to see them <Islwyn13> to help Harry <HeleneB> I never like to give up on people, though. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - Wiz - she admits as much <secretkeepertoall> no she saw them <magicmeg8> GFAB -- i think they just don't want to deal with the tantrum that would come in disciplining him <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> We have all seen what happens when Harry loses his temper <SoonerGryffindor> I know its wrong, but i love the fact that she lied for Harry <HeleneB> While it is hard for people to really change once they are adults, it is possible if they have a life-changing event <Pleshette> Me too <Islwyn13> They saw Harry blow up his aunt...they are so afraid of him smile <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and we have all seen how the Dursleys react when Dudley starts losing his <HeleneB> But that was accidental magic. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> so I think there's something there with Duds <Islwyn13> But do they know that? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think they might suspect it <Islwyn13> Harry got mad, Marge blew up... <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> In PS - Harry is moving his mobile as an infant <WizBang101> mmm but the council agreed that she saw them but acknowledge her as squib? <Pleshette> Vernon was ready to throw Harry out in Ootp <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> perhaps Duds did similar things <HeleneB> Wouldn't it be something if Dudley had received a letter and they declined? <Islwyn13> Accidental magic might make them even more afraid, since it's uncontrolled <SoonerGryffindor> when did this happen gfab? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> with Harry? <SoonerGryffindor> the mobile <Islwyn13> The council didn't know if squibs could see them, so they took her word for it that squibs could <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> there's a suggestion that Petunia caught him, when he was a toddler moving things <HeleneB> Remember Harry commenting about not having pocket money for six years? What changed? His first show of uncontrolled magic? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> like his crib mobile <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> or whatever it's called <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I can look it up later * SoonerGryffindor will have to reread <WizBang101> I suppose so, but <WizBang101> I am getting a bit off topic <SoonerGryffindor> I think tha's what it was Helene <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - me too Wiz blushing <SoonerGryffindor> *that's <Islwyn13> Fudge actually says to one of the other council members, "Can squibs see dementors?" <HeleneB> So was Harry treated better at first? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - correct Isl <Pleshette> I want to believe that Helene <Islwyn13> And Mrs. Figg says "we most certainly can!", or something to that effect <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and that's when Figg gets defensive <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> but I think it was a lie on her part <Islwyn13> agreed <Pleshette> I couldn't bear the thought of baby Harry being mistreatted <Islwyn13> my point is the council doesn't know that, so they believed her <HeleneB> Well, I'm inclined to think Mrs. Figg didn't lie. She knew exactly what it was Harry was dealing with. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> exactly <Islwyn13> interesting that there are those kinds of gaps in the Ministry's knowledge <WizBang101> yeah <Islwyn13> you'd think they'd know what squibs can and can't do by now <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - it speaks volumes biggrin <SoonerGryffindor> maybe a little better, but still not good probably <HeleneB> Well, maybe squibs become outcasts--like lepers <SoonerGryffindor> I think she lied, but she knew he was teiing the truth *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge <Islwyn13> I thought she said she couldn't see them when seh was taking Harry and Dudley back home, but I might be misremembering <WizBang101> character that will perform magic? <WizBang101> maybe <HeleneB> Perhaps you're right Isl <Islwyn13> I think you are too <Islwyn13> hence why Filch tried to keep his squib status quiet <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Well on JK's site, she denies it will be Petunia - but she says nothing of Dudley <HeleneB> But I thought it was significant that she knew what it was. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> that in itself is curious <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> because others have speculated it will be Duds <HeleneB> And didn't she look around as though for more? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she hasn't denied it that I know of *** secretkeepertoall has quit [Bye] <WizBang101> So Dudley is strange if he is a wizard <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - too right *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] <HeleneB> Would Dudley's anger (if he's a closet wizard) have been subdued because he was so spoiled so it didn't built up? *** mikenocek has joined #lounge <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> exactly Helene <WizBang101> I mean if he is a wizard, he and P V would notice some strange behaviour too <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> those are my thoughts on it <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> we see both his parents act as if they're afraid of him, when he gets riled *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> they give him whatever he demands <HeleneB> But JK said the magic comes up when they are upset--oh that means we might have seen accidental magic from Dudley at his birthday aprty in SS <SoonerGryffindor> okay, I'm trying this again <HeleneB> So perhaps not <WizBang101> Bullies always have anger than why they bully others <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> They do everything they can to appease him <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> my guess is, it's because they suspect he's magical, and if he becomes angry, he'll discover he's special too <mikenocek> whenever hes upset or scared <HeleneB> So may his temper tantrums are faked and he's not really that mad, because he knows he'll get what he wants? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I feel Duds is very jealous of Harry's abilities <SoonerGryffindor> but what about JKR's statement that what you see is what you get with Dudley? <mikenocek> dudley is scared of harryy <HeleneB> Good point sooner <SoonerGryffindor> I only see a spoiled rotten muggle <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Is that what she said? <Pleshette> Dudley was afraid when the dementors attacked and we didn't see magic <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> but that can mean most anything <SoonerGryffindor> yes, she said that <Aislinn> The Dursleys and the Weasleys are the 2 main families that Harry has contact with. What do you see as the differences between them? <mikenocek> dudley isnt magical <SoonerGryffindor> love <SoonerGryffindor> and acceptance <Pleshette> You beat me to it Sooner <SoonerGryffindor> lol <WizBang101> Dudley would have at least done a strange thing at school, the school would appease him that much <mikenocek> if he was he may not be so fat <HeleneB> The Weasleys are welcoming and loving to everyone and the Dursleys to no one. <Pleshette> They allow Harry to be himself <SoonerGryffindor> THe weasleys are the anti-Dursleys <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> The Dursleys appear ordered and together but they are not <Pleshette> But their not perfect <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> The Weasleys appear chaotic, but they are held together by love <WizBang101> illusion <HeleneB> I like that description, Sooner <Aislinn> to me, one family seems all style and the other all substance <Pleshette> Yes gfab *** mikenocek has quit [Bye] <SoonerGryffindor> no, but their hearts are in the right place... thanks Helen <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> if that makes any sense <SoonerGryffindor> *Helene <HeleneB> Too right, Aislinn! <magicmeg8> Definitely the Weasleys also value family in itself -- the Dursleys value material objects -- they're also people how are viewed negatively while the wweasleys are viewed in a positive light -- despite their income, etc. <WizBang101> Well the dursley heart is were they like it to be too *** andythehouseelf has quit [Bye] <Pleshette> Dursleys keeping up appearances; Weasleys not concerned about how they look to others <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but there's a BIG difference <Islwyn13> well, WE view the dursleys negatively, but do we know that OTHERS do? <SoonerGryffindor> well, they don't hve any friends that we know of <Pleshette> good point Isl <HeleneB> The Dursley are controlled by their fear of what others think, while the Weasleys do what's is right regardless of waht others think (except percy, yetP <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Good point Isl <Islwyn13> Dudley does smile <Islwyn13> sort of <magicmeg8> Good question, Islwyn <WizBang101> Dursley done value family things just different things like appearances <Islwyn13> I actually thought the Dursleys were thought ok of by the other muggles around them <SoonerGryffindor> Dudley only has followers <Aislinn> do you see their actions as something that others would view as admirable islwyn? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes S/G!! <Islwyn13> Well, most of what we see is behind closed doors <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> sort of like LV <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> biggrin <Islwyn13> they present a different face to otehrs <Pleshette> Kind of like Draco Sooner <SoonerGryffindor> scary comparisons there <HeleneB> Dudley collects people like Peter <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> so... <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> on that note.... <Islwyn13> like when they suggested that Dudley had left his tv on, rather than saying, "oh, its our nephew, we locked him ina room upstairs" *** andythehouseelf has joined #lounge <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> can we assume that LV is at heart a coward too, like Duds? *** mode/#lounge [+o andythehouseelf] by Snuffles <Aislinn> other people see the kind of child they have raised - I think that reflects badly on them, even in the muggle world <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and like Draco? <Islwyn13> I think Duds is damaged, and LV is evil <Islwyn13> I think they have very different personality <Islwyn13> uh, personalioties *** secretkeepertoall has joined #lounge <Islwyn13> oh, nm! you know what i mean! smile <SoonerGryffindor> Dudley, even though it has damaged him, has known love <HeleneB> Yes, I think Dudley is a petty tyrant. <WizBang101> Dursleys need some serious counselling <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> True S/G <Pleshette> I don't see LV as a coward, control freak, yes *** secretkeepertoall left #lounge [] <Islwyn13> Well, dudley wears other faces too <Islwyn13> he's polite to other adults <HeleneB> But counseling only works if you knhow you need to change <Islwyn13> bullies in secret <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes Isl <Aislinn> there were reports sent home from school about his bullying ways <magicmeg8> I think also the Dursleys are very fake -- but with the Weasleys, you get what you see, and that's admirable. <Aislinn> so some adults have seen it <SoonerGryffindor> and yet the Dursleys are so blind <Islwyn13> well, the school probably thinks poorly of the Dursleys, I'll give you that <Aislinn> true sooner <Islwyn13> but others in the neighborhood? I'm not so sure... *** DorisTLC has quit [Bye] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - they see him as perfect <HeleneB> But there are many parents who refuse to believe their kids do thte things they do *** secretkeepertoall has joined #lounge <Pleshette> They excuse the behavior <Aislinn> sadly true helene <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct both Helene and Aislinn <SoonerGryffindor> didn't Harry make mention that Dudley was the neighborhood terror in OotP? <magicmeg8> True, Helene -- I mean, Petunia and Vernon are definitely that typpe -- in complete denial. <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - he did S/G <Islwyn13> lol, though the Dursleys couldn't argue that Dudley had gotten a bit...well...girthy smile <Islwyn13> yes, sooner, to otehr kids... <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> True Isl <SoonerGryffindor> so that should be telling on how the neighbors think about him <Islwyn13> question is, do the kids parents know about it <Pleshette> Big boned Duds <SoonerGryffindor> I have 2 kids and I know all about the other neighbor kids frm them <Aislinn> if those kids have good relationships with their parents, they would know <magicmeg8> Yes, Sooner, i believe so *** secretkeepertoall left #lounge [] <Islwyn13> IF being the critical point <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Well, I think they're all a band of bullies and Dudley is the leader <SoonerGryffindor> you would think a fair number of them know <HeleneB> Yep <magicmeg8> and he manipulates them so easily -- seems like that's a trait he's picked up from his parents. in the weasley household, that behavior would be properly disciplined. <Aislinn> they can't all have lousy relationships, islwyn <Islwyn13> I don't know, I sort of got the impression that many in the neighborhood were obsessed about apearance <WizBang101> I suppose that the Vernon gets a bit uppie with the other negibours too <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> so would they be keen to rat each other out to their parents (their own parents) <Pleshette> Sometimes kids are afraid to tell <Islwyn13> true, but some kids are ashamed and don't talk to their parents *** dillypoo has joined #lounge <HeleneB> Or don't want their parents to get involved <Pleshette> Afraid they'll get more grief <SoonerGryffindor> I could be that the Dursley's have been approached about this, but they would have ignored it like the school letters <Islwyn13> yeah, bullies warn their victims to tell no one, or they'll get it worse <HeleneB> Or were horribly obnoxious about it so other parents never approached them again <WizBang101> maybe the parents are afriad of Vernon, he is big also <SoonerGryffindor> besides, Dudley isn't there very much *** magicmeg8 left #lounge [] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Well, my take would be that Vernon would likely be proud of the fact Duds wields that sort of power <SoonerGryffindor> exactly-- so it wouldn't be a big issue <Aislinn> yes ginny <WizBang101> yeah i agree Ginny <Islwyn13> I guess teh point is we haevn't seen enough interaction between the Dursleys and other adults to know how they're viewed <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Doesn't he mention something about being proud of him being the school wrestling champ? *** dillypoo has quit [Bye] <HeleneB> Well, perhaps the first time Dudley is charged with assault, Vernon would change his mind <HeleneB> Wasn't it boxing? <SoonerGryffindor> I'm afraid it will come to that <Islwyn13> Nah, he'd just assumed poor Dudley was misunderstood *** magicmeg8 has joined #lounge <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes Helene, because it would impact the appearance of upstanding citizens <Aislinn> he would probably just try to get him off - hire the best lawyer *** mode/#lounge [+o magicmeg8] by Snuffles <HeleneB> Yes, he'd have to explain it to the judge <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LOL Aislinn - you're likely right <andythehouseelf> 15 minutes left guys smile <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Ais <WizBang101> Dudley going to end up as a petty criminal <HeleneB> Sad but true Aislinn <LJ> What are your final thoughts on the Dursleys in the Chamber of Secrets? <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think Dudley will probably end up kind of like Vernon <Islwyn13> Agreed, GFAB <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> but more loser-ish <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> sorry - that was not nice <SoonerGryffindor> I can't stand them. But that holds for all the books <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol <Islwyn13> I think their cruelty really shows in CoS <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> He will be a more pathetic Vernon, because P & V have not equipped him with the tools to cope in the real world <Islwyn13> Locking him up, feeding him very little, assigning huge tasks to him, swinging pans at him... <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> he won't be able to get away with things as he does now, without their protectin <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> *protection <Islwyn13> And locking up Hedwig! <Islwyn13> that burns me up everytime! <HeleneB> I agree Gfab--Dudley could work for the Mafia, maybe, but where else? <SoonerGryffindor> I think they seem more cruel in this book because we see how Harry was loved and accepted for the last year and then he has to back to that awful place <WizBang101> dudley is going to have to make some soul search even when he is living under their roof at 40 years, maybe <andythehouseelf> I think the Dursleys are essential. They are the reason Harry stays at Hogwarts and can, therefore, solve the mystery of the Chamber and save Ginny, not to mention countless otheres. <andythehouseelf> *others <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - if the maria would have him <Islwyn13> Yeah, that's probably true, Sooner, the contrast shows <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> *mafia - sorry - not maria <SoonerGryffindor> very good point andy <HeleneB> And think of poor Harry, every year having to go back to that house . . . <Islwyn13> and the dursleys make our first impression of the Weasleys that much better <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I can't see Dudley as being a happy adult <Islwyn13> and first impressions tend to stick smile <SoonerGryffindor> the Dursley's also give him more in common with Tom Riddle <Aislinn> that breaks my heart, helene, especially with what he goes through at the end of every year <Aislinn> facing LV, losing a loved one, then going back to that bleak house <WizBang101> Mafia? he a bit of a scare but as a cunning thug? <Islwyn13> Still, knowing that there's a world out there where Harry is accepted and loved might buoy him up a bit <HeleneB> Yes--especially after the graveyard scene--ha ving to go back and deal with the emotional trauma all by himself. <Aislinn> exactly <Islwyn13> almost make it easier (in later books) for him to somewhat tolerate being there <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - I can totally picture him as a thug <Aislinn> I think that is a huge reason he is the way he is at the outset of OotP <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> but not an altogether brave one <HeleneB> His anger? <Aislinn> yes <Islwyn13> Agreee <HeleneB> I hadn't thought of that being his emotional response to what happened, but that makes sense. <Aislinn> he doesn't get a chance to really deal with what happened to him <Islwyn13> He stands up to Vernon, knowing there will be consequences, but also knowing there will be escape <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Dudley only picks on those of diminished ability - small in size and such <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> if he ever met his match, he'd cower <Islwyn13> of course, he could jsut be acting out his anger and frustration, now that I think about it <Aislinn> its something that struck me when I go right from reading one to the other - you get a real sense of the fact that only a few weeks have passed <Islwyn13> that's true, Aislinn <Islwyn13> things are still fresh for Harry <HeleneB> I would love to see a scene where the Dursleys are having to cower behind Harry's protecting magic. <Islwyn13> LOL, that would be great! <Aislinn> me too helene <SoonerGryffindor> me too Helene <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - agree <Pleshette> Book 7 perhaps? <HeleneB> Please! <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> But sadly, I don't think they'd be impressed <Islwyn13> Yeah, it might actually happen, as Harry's protection dissipates * SoonerGryffindor is hoping JKR has something clever up her sleeve on this matter <Islwyn13> there may be an attack there at Privet Drive after all smile <Pleshette> No, they would just blame Harry <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think they'd suggest that if it wasn't for him in the first place, they wouldn't have found themselves in danger <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> they'd find some way to blame him <Islwyn13> Agreed, sooner, the Dursleys have to have good closure <Aislinn> The Chamber of Chat is still going through some server changes, so there will not be a followup discussion there today <Aislinn> Hopefully for the next chat though <WizBang101> Dursleys are the essence of muggle refusal in believing anything magical and wonderful, and the blind nature of supersitition and fear of the unknown and the inabililty of acknowledging that the world is not what they perceive. <HeleneB> Oh, I hope so. DD's protections will be gone, and I think those protections are the only reason Petunia accepted him (and then kept him). <HeleneB> Well, said Wiz <SoonerGryffindor> I also want to see Ron and Hermione take out some frustrations on them <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes, Wiz <Islwyn13> True, but Petunia also knows how awful LV is...he murdered her sister,a fter all... <Islwyn13> so she may realize that there's danger with or without Harry there, just because LV is on the rampage again <andythehouseelf> 5 minutes left guys <HeleneB> And LV was on the rise the whole time Lily was at school. Petunia must have heard talk about him <Pleshette> All the more reason to be glad Harry's gone in her mind <Islwyn13> Adn she appears truly frightened when Harry tells them LV is back at the beginning of OotP <HeleneB> But LV has a thing about killing families <Islwyn13> She knows about his evil <SoonerGryffindor> you would think that they would be smart enough to realize that Harry might be their only hope though <HeleneB> whole families <Islwyn13> Petunia, yes, Sooner...Vernon, no, I don't think <WizBang101> She know more about lily's death than most people <HeleneB> Obiwan--you'[re my only hope . . . <Pleshette> Sadly I don't think they are Sooner <SoonerGryffindor> lol <Islwyn13> Agreed, Wiz <Islwyn13> So the whole situation is more real to her than to Vernon, I think <SoonerGryffindor> I'm almost fearful of what the Dursley's fate may be when that protection wears off <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Agree Isl <Islwyn13> To Vernon, teh magical world is Harry...to Petunia, there is more to the wizarding world <WizBang101> maybe P has a family secret that works for lily and a clue to lily protection spell <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmmm <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> possible <Islwyn13> Agreed, Sooner..I think it would be good for Harry's growth to have to save them, even after the pain they've caused him <SoonerGryffindor> me too, and i hope to see it <Islwyn13> Forgiveness, perhaps in practice for his Snape encounter in book 7? <SoonerGryffindor> exactly <magicmeg8> Well, this has been a good discussion guys, I'm happy you all participated! <SoonerGryffindor> good chat everyone <Islwyn13> Thanks for having it! and moderating it! <Pleshette> Bye everyone! <magicmeg8> haha, not a problem <Islwyn13> This was fun, thank you all smile <SoonerGryffindor> bye all <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Thanks MagicMeg <WizBang101> or maybe lily told her something that was a family bonding that works <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Aislinn <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LJ <WizBang101> thanks for the topic <andythehouseelf> Thanks guys <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> andythe house elf <SoonerGryffindor> see y'all monday <WizBang101> good topic <magicmeg8> Be sure to check out the chat on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays, of course! <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> great job again! <andythehouseelf> Your welcome GFAB smile <Islwyn13> Yes, thanks to all the mods! <WizBang101> bye bye buy lol <Aislinn> bye guys! <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> thumbup <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> bye! <magicmeg8> thanks guys! <magicmeg8> gfab is fab <magicmeg8> lol <LJ> woot, great chat <WizBang101> thanks mods <andythehouseelf> LOL *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] * andythehouseelf waves goodbye *** WizBang101 left #lounge [] <Islwyn13> Later all! See you soon! <magicmeg8> Bye! <LJ> bye guys *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> see ya! *** Islwyn13 left #lounge [] -------------------- My Avon Breast Cancer Walk Page and Blog! I'm In It to End It! |
|
|
|
