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[12:59] *** Topic is: The Weasleys in the Chamber of Secrets (LJ)
[12:59] *** Ameena has joined #lounge [13:00] <Aislinn> Hi ameena! [13:00] <Ameena> Hey, guys. [13:00] <andythehouseelf> hey [13:00] <LJ> hey all [13:00] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:00] <Aislinn> hey sooner [13:00] <Ameena> thanks for posting that announcement- I almost forgot about it [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everybody [13:00] <LJ> np [13:00] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [13:00] <Aislinn> got in first time this time! smile [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:01] <Aislinn> hey bel [13:01] <Belenzie> hey aislinn [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Peeves must be taking a break [13:01] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has joined #lounge [13:01] <Belenzie> ahaha like your name ginny [13:01] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle left #lounge [] [13:01] <Aislinn> Hi Gin-bot! [13:01] <Aislinn> oops [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe Peeves got her [13:02] <Ameena> lol [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> so how is everybody liking their reading groups? [13:02] <Belenzie> ....unauthorized portkey [13:02] <Belenzie> reading groups?? [13:02] <Ameena> Love it! [13:03] *** Sofie has joined #lounge [13:03] <Sofie> hey everybody! [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> me too...I'm finding so much more this time around [13:03] <andythehouseelf> hey guys [13:03] <Ameena> I'm in the game room- Kimmy and Holly rock! I love holly's chapter descriptions [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hey sofie [13:03] <Belenzie> the things where we were either team red or team blue:: [13:03] *** tango23312 has joined #lounge [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm in room 2 and the view is great [13:03] <Sofie> romm 2 rocks! smile [13:03] <Sofie> *room [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> yes it does [13:04] *** tango23312 has quit [Bye] [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> Bel, you know about the reading groups don't you? [13:04] <andythehouseelf> i love the game room [13:04] *** Priscilla has joined #lounge [13:04] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge [13:04] <Aislinn> hi priscilla [13:04] <andythehouseelf> and i have a thread going up in there soon w00t2 [13:04] <Aislinn> hi jrg! [13:04] <Jrg1990> evening all smile [13:04] <andythehouseelf> hey james [13:05] <Priscilla> HI ALL [13:05] <Jrg1990> going up where andy? your RG? [13:05] <Sofie> hey .) [13:05] <Ameena> well, I acutally cant' stay- I have to do some reesearch for a new novel I'm writing- I just popped in quickly to say hi before the discussion started [13:05] <andythehouseelf> yeah james [13:05] <andythehouseelf> ok cool. bye ameena [13:05] <Aislinn> sorry you can't join in the chat, ameena [13:05] <Ameena> bbye all biggrin [13:05] <Jrg1990> cool. Ive got one in the works for mine as well. [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> bye ameena [13:05] <Sofie> bye ameena [13:05] <Jrg1990> bye Ameena [13:05] *** Ameena left #lounge [] [13:05] <Belenzie> no i am completely cinfuzzled sooner...i signed up but i can't navigate anywhere? [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> do you know what group you were sorted to? [13:06] <Belenzie> the blue one [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> ? [13:06] <andythehouseelf> theres a blue one? [13:06] *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] [13:06] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge [13:06] <Belenzie> well one was described in blue the other in red [13:06] <Jrg1990> oops :S [13:07] <Aislinn> bel - there was a choice of an A group and a B group for the sorting [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> there's either option a or option b [13:07] <Belenzie> a then [13:07] <Belenzie> it was written in blue [13:07] <LJ> Belenzie: there should be a Forum called the Lily and Stag Inn when you look on the main forum view [13:07] <LJ> do you see that? [13:07] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [13:07] <Belenzie> yeah [13:07] *** LJ has joined #lounge [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> option a only has one room [13:08] <Belenzie> k [13:08] <Aislinn> when you click on that, you will find your room, bel [13:08] <LJ> you only see one room each anyway, and the Welcome room [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> don't forget to visit the welcome room as well [13:08] <Aislinn> if you signed up for the A option, it is called the Cafe [13:09] <Jrg1990> oooooo cafe. The place reallly has expanded, first a Games Room and now a Cafe too. What a great hotel lol [13:09] <Belenzie> k thanks [13:09] <Aislinn> We're going to give people a few minutes to get in here, and will start the topic at quarter after [13:09] <Priscilla> i was wondering why we wernt talking about the subject-HAHA [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> anyway, I have picked up on and learned so much from my first 2 reading groups [13:09] <Jrg1990> cool. Its Weasleys right? [13:10] <Aislinn> yes [13:10] <Sofie> yes, its the Weasleys in CoS [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> just in CoS [13:10] <Jrg1990> yeah thats what i thought. Just checking [13:10] <LJ> you can discuss other books, as long as it relates to CoS - just like in the reading groups [13:10] <andythehouseelf> YAY for other books! [13:10] <LJ> don't worry, there'll be an announcement about it before the chat starts [13:11] <Sofie> but dont start a Ginny-harry discussion, please [13:11] <Aislinn> hehe [13:11] <andythehouseelf> but it has to be a Harry Potter book! No LotR! [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> funny how CoS used to be my least fav book, but since book 6 I like it a lot better [13:11] <Aislinn> me too, sooner [13:11] *** Brin has joined #lounge [13:11] <LJ> a lot of people have found that SoonerGryffindor [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> sofie, Harry and Ginny are a major theme in CoS [13:11] *** Poet has joined #lounge [13:11] <Aislinn> it was my least favorite, but I'm liking it better now [13:11] <andythehouseelf> well you see the story in a different context after book 6 [13:11] <Sofie> i meant the shipping smile [13:11] <Poet> I've got my Chamber of Secrets handy and am reading to roll [13:11] <Aislinn> hi brin! [13:11] <andythehouseelf> its more important in the grand scheme [13:12] <Brin> Hello Aislinn [13:12] *** Moriah has joined #lounge [13:12] <Jrg1990> yeah andy. You see why it had to be there in a way you really had no idea abotu previously to HBP [13:12] <Jrg1990> hey Moriah [13:12] <Aislinn> hey moriah [13:12] <Moriah> Hi all smile [13:12] <Sofie> hey moriah [13:12] <andythehouseelf> hey all new people [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> *waves to Moriah* [13:12] <andythehouseelf> (it saves having to say it so many times) [13:12] <Moriah> *waves back* [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:13] <Brin> I think this book is definetly meant to establish a foundation of knowledge for the future books. There is so much detail here that backs up our later knowledge. [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how so many things pop up here that you see in book 6 [13:13] <Sofie> our first encouter with a Horcrux... [13:13] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has joined #lounge [13:13] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> *shudder* [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Just think of all the stuff from B&B's that shows back up [13:14] <Brin> Has anyone ever noticed that the way Ginny is a clutz around Harry in this book is how Tonks is a clutz around Lupin in book 5. [13:14] *** magicmeg8 has joined #lounge [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> lol....I think Tonks is hopeless [13:14] <Sofie> yes, and also, our first-person meeting with Tom [13:14] <Belenzie> * Harry first gets told it is your choices that make you who you are.....which is a main theme in HBP= the connection between the two of them?? [13:15] <SoonerGryffindor> there are so many connections between the 2 that it is eerie [13:15] <Sofie> lol, Brin, thats true smile [13:15] <andythehouseelf> OK guys your not gonna be able to talk for a moment but dont leave! [13:15] *** Pleione has joined #lounge [13:15] <Aislinn> During the chat a Moderator may contact you through a PM here. There will be a tab at the top of the screen, next to the #Lounge, with a # and the Mods name. You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “L.J got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. [13:16] <Aislinn> This discussion is about the Weasleys in The Chamber of Secrets. Just as in the Reading Groups, all discussion must be about CoS. While this doesn’t mean that you can’t bring in things from the other books, we would prefer it if you relate it back to CoS. [13:16] <Aislinn> We first saw the Weasleys as a red headed family in PS/SS at Platform 9 ¾. However, they play a much bigger role in CoS, as we first see them as a family at the Burrow. There are 9 Weasleys; Molly and Arthur and 7 children; Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred and George, Ron and Ginny. Arthur works with Muggles at the Ministry, and has a love for Muggle artefacts and technology, Molly is Mothering. At this point in the series we only know basic details about Bill and Charlie, Percy seems pompous, but for the most part he is considered ok in CoS, Fred and George are the entertainment, the clowns. Ron is Harry’s best friend and we know most about him, he is a main character. Ginny is only seen once before, but in CoS she becomes more important to the story. [13:16] *** VASH_Bloodthirst has joined #lounge [13:17] <LJ> At this point in the series we only know basic details about Bill and Charlie, Percy seems pompous, but for the most part he is considered ok in CoS, Fred and George are the entertainment, the clowns. Ron is Harry’s best friend and we know most about him, he is a main character. Ginny is only seen once before, but in CoS she becomes more important to the story. [13:17] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hello every1 [13:17] *** lolabelle has joined #lounge [13:17] <Belenzie> i am rereading COS and i realized for the first time Ginny has brown eyes [13:17] *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> funny how Charlie never gets much page time [13:17] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well...we all know that percy seems pompous [13:18] <Sofie> yes but we dont see much of Ginny either before she actually got into the Chamber [13:18] <LJ> The Weasleys are a traditional family, the Dad goes out to work, the Mum stays at home to take care of the family; bringing up the children, cooking and cleaning. Discuss your thoughts on the Weasleys as a traditional family. [13:18] <Belenzie> well it'll be easier to kill him off for that very reason [13:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well yea [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> there is a lot of love in that house [13:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yep! [13:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> typical family...brother fighting...protective brothers, etc. [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> and Molly is represented as the perfect mom [13:19] <Sofie> Jo wanted to show us that love is more important than money [13:19] <Belenzie> but was there enough to go around??......Percy [13:19] <Moriah> Nice point, Sofie [13:19] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct Sofie [13:19] *** Punky has joined #lounge [13:19] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well...its obviousint he book that love ios themost important thing [13:19] <lolabelle> and honor. they live how they do to bring forth a better life for their family. [13:19] <Brin> I think this introducing into the Weasleys is to really show us the contrast of dark and light in Harry's life. (ie Weasley's vs. the Dursleys) [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the line in chapter 4 where Harry notices that the biggest reason the Burrow is different from #4 PD is that everybody likes him at the Burrow [13:19] <magicmeg8> Hi punky, today we're talking about the weasleys [13:19] <Punky> Thanks [13:19] <Sofie> its my fav line, too, sooner .) [13:19] <harryfreak359> yeah me too [13:19] <VASH_Bloodthirst> dumble dor said in COC that the most powerful weapon is LOVE [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> that line makes me so sad for Harry [13:20] <harryfreak359> makes you realise how hard hes had it [13:20] <Sofie> yeah, its heartbreaking sad [13:20] <Moriah> Same, Sooner. But also excited that he has finally found love [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> It just goes to show that love is the most important thing to him [13:20] <VASH_Bloodthirst> the weaselys adn the durselys are necessay in harry's life [13:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think Harry finds his sanctuary at the burrow [13:20] <Sofie> do you think we will see more of Charlie in book7? [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe [13:21] <VASH_Bloodthirst> the durselys are the necessary evila nd the weaseleys are the love he needs so much [13:21] *** Siobhan4hp has joined #lounge [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> It definitely shows the contrast vash [13:21] <VASH_Bloodthirst> any1 agrees? [13:21] <Brin> The line about love makes it critical for Harry to have the Weasleys. Really Harry doesn't know how love works other than the sacrafice his parents made. He learns it from the Weasleys and Hermione. [13:21] <magicmeg8> Hi siobhan, today we're talking about the weasleys smile [13:21] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Good point, Brin [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> for the first time, he is accepted for who he is, not what he has done [13:21] <VASH_Bloodthirst> the durselys are a must tho....they are the necessary evil [13:21] <Siobhan4hp> Hi, cool, I like the weasleys smile [13:22] <Sofie> who doesnt? smile [13:22] <harryfreak359> exactly [13:22] <Moriah> I think the Dursleys will prove to be more complicated than that, Vash [13:22] <Siobhan4hp> I don't know [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> How does Arthur represent a father figure in this book? [13:22] <VASH_Bloodthirst> dumbledoor himself said that harry MUST go back to the durselys [13:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmmm - is he the traditional patriarch? [13:23] <Sofie> well, he is the one who earns money, so is kinda like the traditional father-figure [13:23] <VASH_Bloodthirst> they are important, however disliked they may be [13:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Seems to me that despite Molly being a hausfrau, she has equal say [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't think he's a typical patriarch...so different from Vernon [13:23] <Moriah> I think he's a father who often acts like the kids unless it is something big, like the diary [13:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> He has a great deal of respect for Molly [13:23] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:23] <Sofie> i agree, moriah [13:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> they share responsibility equally it seems [13:23] <VASH_Bloodthirst> vernon is a tyrant, while arthur is democratic [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they are all a little scared of Molly...lol [13:23] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well..sort of [13:24] <harryfreak359> yeah i think so she can be a bit scary [13:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Too right S/G [13:24] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol.....if molly was my mom, i would be scared [13:24] <Sofie> definately, but she(Molly) has every right to be the boss in the family smile [13:24] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol....but she is lovable [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> How do we see the Molly/Arthur relationship differ from Petunia/Vernon? [13:24] *** Pleione has quit [Bye] [13:24] <Siobhan4hp> Arthur likes to have a bit of fun with his kids, he's quite a relaxed person but when it's needed he's serious [13:24] <Moriah> I think their roles are more separate than shared... they pull the same amount of weight though [13:24] <Sofie> M/A are like teenagers sometimes [13:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes, Arthur is so not a disciplinarian [13:25] <harryfreak359> no not at all [13:25] <Belenzie> arthur has a longer fuse then Molly, but i think it can be just as destructive "i've never heard dad row like that...its usually mom who shouts"- spoken by ron in ootp [13:25] <harryfreak359> he can be proctective of his family thoguh [13:25] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i like charlie [13:25] <lolabelle> i am constantly amused by molly's love of the wizarding self help books. [13:25] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Definitely Harry - and this becomes more evident in later books [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> good thing Molly is the tough one, someone has to be able to control those kids [13:25] <VASH_Bloodthirst> altho, he's not frequently mentioned [13:25] <harryfreak359> yeah charlie should in the books more [13:26] <Sofie> yes, but i bet after that Lockhart-fiasco, she is more careful with them [13:26] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah, they must be mad to have 7 kids [13:26] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yea, especially wiht allthose boys [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to admit that I loved it when Arthur took on Lucius in the bookstore [13:26] <Belenzie> well it would be easier to kill charlie if we knew less about him [13:26] <VASH_Bloodthirst> love charlie [13:26] <LJ> So guys, what do we think of the Weasleys as a traditional family? [13:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LOL!! That scene was great S/G [13:26] <VASH_Bloodthirst> but then again, i am soo weird...i love lestat [13:26] <Siobhan4hp> Sofie: She used a lockhart bok in OOTP when they were cleaning 12 Grimmauld place. [13:26] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol [13:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LJ - I think they are traditional in a sense [13:26] <magicmeg8> I think they give stability -- they're a large family and obviously care a lot about each other, Laurie. [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that JKR has written them to be totally representative of the traditional family [13:27] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:27] <Sofie> thats true, soibahn, i forgot [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> you have the stern but loving mother... [13:27] <VASH_Bloodthirst> not totally representative [13:27] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> but Molly and Arthur have too much respect for each other to have a typical patriarchal type dynamic [13:27] <Brin> I think that as far as traditional they are probably as traditional as a wizarding family comes. [13:27] <lolabelle> and harry's only source of true acceptance [13:27] <Siobhan4hp> Like my mum a bit, and she only has tthre kids. [13:27] <magicmeg8> Interesting point, ginny. [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> you have the caprecious twins.... [13:27] <VASH_Bloodthirst> not typical nor traditional....but the model family [13:27] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Agree VASH [13:27] <Sofie> agree, VASH [13:27] <magicmeg8> yes, I agree with that. [13:27] <VASH_Bloodthirst> smile [13:28] <harryfreak359> i agree too [13:28] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [13:28] <Siobhan4hp> yeah [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> and every family always has the one black sheep....Percy [13:28] <harryfreak359> hmm.. hate percy [13:28] <magicmeg8> Right, sooner. he's definitely always been different. [13:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Boo for Percy [13:28] <Sofie> Percy doesnt deserve the Weasley name [13:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> self serving I don't know what [13:28] <Siobhan4hp> Aww, I like Percy, he's going to redem himself! [13:28] *** Poet has joined #lounge [13:28] <harryfreak359> no he doesnt [13:28] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i bet there is some reason fo rpercy behaving like this [13:28] <Sofie> no hi isnt! [13:28] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lets hope he mends his ways [13:28] <Aislinn> sooner - please check top of screen [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but it he is realistic. JKR doesn't want the picture perfect family [13:28] <Moriah> Aw, Percy's story isn't over yet [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry...I got it now [13:29] <lolabelle> he tries so hard to be execptional but makes the wrong choices. [13:29] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yes, but percy is soooo way out there [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> what do I do now Ais? [13:29] *** NickTLC has quit [Bye] [13:29] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well if u cant be the best of te best, u can try be the best of teh worst....percy prob thinks like that [13:29] <Aislinn> just keep on joining in the talk, sooner smile [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> k [13:30] <Aislinn> if you clicked on the button up there already [13:30] <lolabelle> good point,vash. [13:30] <Sofie> Ron said in CoS that Percy wants to be the next M for Magic... [13:30] <VASH_Bloodthirst> thanks abelle [13:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes, he did, Sofie [13:30] <LJ> In most traditional families, the Father is the "boss", do you think that's the case here? Or like Gin-Bot said, they have too much respect fotr each other to have one "boss"? [13:30] <Moriah> Oh, I think Percy wants to do the right thing. He's not trying to be the worst. Made some bad decisions, yes [13:30] <harryfreak359> yeah hes power hungry [13:30] <Brin> I think Percy's pride will keep him from rejoining the family. He will die with the rift existing but forgiven in death. [13:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> ...and I think Percy will let little get in his way [13:31] <harryfreak359> maybe, but their better off without him [13:31] <Sofie> i dont want Percy to die only because of Molly...otherwise, i dont care [13:31] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oooh....i hope percy mends his ways.....he's a weasely none the less and i hope he lives up to dat name [13:31] <Priscilla> percy i sthe black sheep of the family where as he wsnt s power [13:31] <Brin> I think there is a balance with Arthur. He makes a living a Molly runs house. I think there is a balance at whose in charge where. [13:31] <VASH_Bloodthirst> some how [13:31] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LJ - I think Arthur and Molly share the responsibility and authority equally, just in different ways [13:31] <Sofie> i agree, Brin [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Brin [13:31] <Siobhan4hp> I think Percy wil swalow his pride and apologize. Poor Percy everyone hates him, I'm the oficial Percy Defender I think [13:31] <magicmeg8> It definitely seems that Molly is more the boss, Laurie -- though Arthur holds a definite place or respect in the family [13:31] <Moriah> Well said, Ginny [13:31] <VASH_Bloodthirst> can i join u Siobhan? [13:31] <Moriah> I'm right beside ya, Siobhan [13:31] *** Siobhan4hp has quit [Bye] [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, Moriah is a huge Percy defender smile [13:31] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Molly is more the disciplinarian - Arthur is the breadwinner [13:32] <andythehouseelf> I see Arthur as the fun father whos forced to be strict as well meg [13:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Molly is the nurturer; Arthur is the pal [13:32] <Moriah> Cheers, Sooner [13:32] <magicmeg8> True, andy -- like when he was very excited about the boys flying the car biggrin [13:32] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:32] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i am not really fond of ginny [13:32] <harryfreak359> what?! [13:32] <Aislinn> that was really funny, meg [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I loooooove Ginny [13:32] <VASH_Bloodthirst> growing up with so many boys, u'd think sh ewould be a bit different [13:32] <Brin> Arthur is responsible when necessary. He certainly tones down his demeanor later on but we really see the fun of Arthur best in this book. [13:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She's a big tomboy [13:33] <magicmeg8> it was, ais. [13:33] <Priscilla> Percy is the black sheep of the family -- he wants power [13:33] <harryfreak359> Ginny i so cool [13:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> dont like ginny [13:33] <Sofie> i like Ginny the best in HBP. she is fun smile [13:33] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Ginny is tough; thick skinned; holds up well against her bros [13:33] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [13:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> likes charlie : ) [13:33] <Brin> I think Ginny is a tomboy out of necessity of growing up with all brother. [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> you have to admit that she can hold her own with them [13:33] <harryfreak359> ill grant you in the earlier books she isnt really that great [13:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> my mom said i'm like a lil man...not very girly [13:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol [13:33] <Moriah> I think through Harry's vision of Ginny in CoS, we are surprised with how she grows up [13:33] <Sofie> Ginny is not like all those stupid girls like Levander or parvati [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I see Ginny as being a lot like molly [13:34] <Moriah> But Harry wasn't seeing the real Ginny in CoS [13:34] <lolabelle> count me in a a big ginny fan. she has a whole lot to offer in the grand sceme of things. think of all she learned about defenses from growing up with fred and george! [13:34] *** DorisTLC has joined #lounge [13:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> True enough, HarryF - she's too giddy over Harry [13:34] <Aislinn> What is your impression of Ginny in CoS? Is it different from the one you have in the later books? [13:34] <harryfreak359> shes awesome in OotP and HBP [13:34] <Whisperwing> I don't necessarily think being a strong woman needs to be defined as being a 'tomboy'.. [13:34] <Sofie> hey Doris! [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely Ais [13:34] <andythehouseelf> hey doris [13:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> ...but, when she starts to follow Hermione's advice, that's when we see her truly [13:34] <Whisperwing> and as usual, someone else has plans for me during the chat and I have to leave. Bother. [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> we see her through the Harry filter [13:34] <VASH_Bloodthirst> agrees with whisper wings [13:34] *** Dora has joined #lounge [13:34] * Whisperwing disapparates. [13:34] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hi dora! [13:34] *** beadgirl has joined #lounge [13:35] *** Whisperwing left #lounge [] [13:35] <Dora> hi [13:35] <magicmeg8> Hi beadgirl, we're focusing on the weasley's today smile [13:35] <Dora> hi ... [13:35] <Brin> Well I think what makes Ginny a tomboy is her interests. She doesn't seem really into a lot girl stuff early on, and she plays Quiddich. Which is such a rough sport that we attribute it to a lot of guys. [13:35] <magicmeg8> Hi dora smile [13:35] <Moriah> Ginny is obviously incredibly strong to even survive CoS [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how JKR shows all of the kids coming of age and I love to see Ginny's change [13:35] <beadgirl> hey guys [13:35] <Aislinn> do we see that in CoS, Brin? [13:35] <harryfreak359> me too [13:35] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she's not a typical tomboy, ginny is [13:36] <harryfreak359> no shes not [13:36] <Punky> she definately takes after molly as well [13:36] <Sofie> i dont think she is a tomboy, either, she is just love a girl who grew up with 6 brothers smile [13:36] <beadgirl> i never really thought of ginny as a tomboy before [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I feel so sorry for her in this book [13:36] <Brin> I think it is subtle what we learn of Ginny in this book, but it creeps out. [13:36] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she's like a cross betw a tomboy and a girly gurl [13:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Does anyone else feel that Ginny is a stereotypical Gryffindor? [13:36] <Sofie> *like [13:36] <harryfreak359> shes kind of like small fred and george [13:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> as defined? [13:36] <VASH_Bloodthirst> in other words...dhe not at any extreme [13:36] <Brin> Oh I think Ginny is defenetly the perfect Gryfinndor. [13:37] <Dora> i love what ginny said about everything seeming possible when growing up with Fred and George. [13:37] <harryfreak359> me too [13:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I have always felt that she would be the postergirl for Gryff [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> she is definitely a typical Gryffindor [13:37] <Sofie> id like to think that, GFTB [13:37] <VASH_Bloodthirst> um... [13:37] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i like luna [13:37] *** Poet has joined #lounge [13:37] <VASH_Bloodthirst> um...we cant discuss luna at this moment, can we? [13:37] <Aislinn> what do we see in CoS that lets us know she is a typical Gryffindor? [13:37] <beadgirl> i think she is what she is cuz of her brothers [13:37] <Aislinn> let's not yet vash [13:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - whereas Hermione has quite a few Ravenclaw traits, I see Ginny as more truly Gryff [13:38] <harryfreak359> agree [13:38] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ok aislinn, sorry [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> well, it took a lot of bravery to throw the book away [13:38] <Poet> I don't see Arthur as the boss - he's more of a figurative head to me. We mainly see him at work. [13:38] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct S/G [13:38] <Dora> or desperation [13:38] <Sofie> Ginny is like i imaginne Lily back in her Hogwarts years [13:38] <harryfreak359> me too [13:38] <Priscilla> ooo yeah sofie [13:38] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Good point, Sofie [13:38] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ginny is a gryffindor enthusiast....that means foolish bravery [13:38] <Dora> well - there's a parallel for you: James and Lily, Harry and Ginny [13:38] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol VASH [13:38] <harryfreak359> not exactly foolish [13:39] <VASH_Bloodthirst> enthusisast [13:39] <beadgirl> i dont think she is foolish at all [13:39] <Sofie> why foolish? [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> how many other people could have been possessed by Tom Riddle and came out of it as well as she did? [13:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She's very practical [13:39] <Dora> except ginny's got a totally different family [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> to me, that shows she's very strong [13:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She's fun, but she can also be no-nonsense [13:39] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:39] <Brin> Ginny defently is like Lily. When Harry sees that memory of Snape where Lily comes to his defense is like when Ginny comes to Harry's defense with Draco in Florish and Blotts. [13:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I totally agree, Brin [13:39] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well of course not, but ginny is not like hermione. hermione would think things through, ginny would jus rush and do watever se can [13:39] <Sofie> exactly, Brin [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, another scene where she shows her Gryf personality [13:39] <VASH_Bloodthirst> it si bravery, but foolish [13:40] <Belenzie> i honestly don't like Ginny.....but i do concede she would be good for Neville [13:40] <Dora> but she stands her ground, even to hermione [13:40] <harryfreak359> foolish? [13:40] <Dora> oops, gotta go. sorry ... [13:40] <VASH_Bloodthirst> agrees with belenzie [13:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> True Dora [13:40] *** Dora has quit [Bye] [13:40] <Aislinn> why, bel [13:40] <Aislinn> ? [13:40] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yes, foolish [13:40] <Belenzie> thank you Vash! i'm not the only one [13:40] <harryfreak359> why? [13:41] <beadgirl> whats not to like [13:41] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge [13:41] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol, u r welcome belenzie [13:41] * Jrg1990 has finally finished fighting the wireless monster and has returned [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:41] <Moriah> wb [13:41] <Aislinn> do you guys have reasons you don't like her? [13:41] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she's ok.....i'm jus not fond of her [13:41] <Jrg1990> who dont we like? *needs to catch up* [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> don't look at me, I absolutely love her [13:41] <Sofie> Ginny [13:41] <VASH_Bloodthirst> her character jus isnt deep enough, in my opinion [13:42] <magicmeg8> We're onto Ginny [13:42] <harryfreak359> it hin it is very deep [13:42] <lolabelle> add me to the ginny fans. i want to be her when i grow up. [13:42] <Poet> So are we simply comparing Ginny to other characters right now? What about the other members of her family. Is she a bit like Fred & George? [13:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I disagree VASH [13:42] *** Siobhan4hp has joined #lounge [13:42] <Brin> I don't think we really get to see how deep Ginny can be. [13:42] <VASH_Bloodthirst> nope,not deep enough [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Poet, I see her as being most like F&G [13:42] <VASH_Bloodthirst> likei said, 'in my opinion' [13:42] <Belenzie> i can't say why i dislike her as a character...except maybe for the fact that she can't see that there is a boy right in front of her that would easily give his life to protect her....but i think that will come to light in book 7-i'm talking about the gryff man himself Neville longbottom [13:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think JK has done a good job at developing her, considering the story is written through Harry's eyes, mostly [13:42] <Aislinn> me too, sooner [13:42] <magicmeg8> Ahh, i see Bel. [13:42] <Moriah> I think she learns a lot from her entire family and takes on a lot of their best qualities [13:42] <VASH_Bloodthirst> go neville!!! [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Moriah [13:43] <Brin> I agree Moriah. [13:43] <Priscilla> yes i agree GFTB [13:43] <Sofie> yes but you cant deny that she changed a bit sudden in HBP [13:43] <Poet> Ginny seems to have a certain fiestyness and love of life. I like her energy and determination. [13:43] <Belenzie> well since harry out of the picture nevilee gonna move right in and snatch her away [13:43] <harryfreak359> I agree poet [13:43] <Poet> Interesting point Moriah [13:43] <Brin> How do you mean Sofie? I don't see a big change [13:43] <Moriah> I think we saw a big change in OotP [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> never going to happen Bel [13:43] <Priscilla> no i dont think so Bel [13:43] <harryfreak359> no not neville and ginny! [13:43] <VASH_Bloodthirst> go neville! [13:43] <lolabelle> and JK has hidden her in plain sight in so much of the first few books that there has to be more left that we don't yet see of ginny. [13:43] <Moriah> I don't think it was sudden [13:43] <VASH_Bloodthirst> true tho, dat wont happen belenzie [13:43] <Priscilla> her heart will be for Harry [13:43] <Belenzie> just wait sooner you'll see [13:44] <Jrg1990> yeah sofie i agree, she did sort of take a very big leap in a short time. From the end of OotP to the midpoint of HBP she seems to grow up [13:44] <harryfreak359> ginny and harry were made for each other [13:44] <Sofie> maybe its just the fact that we havent seen her that much in ootp, and suddenly she was everywhere in HBP [13:44] <Siobhan4hp> I don't think iit was sudde, she just grew up *le gasp* [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that was because of the Harry filter [13:44] <Brin> That could be true. [13:44] <Moriah> I agree, Sooner [13:44] <Sofie> i agrre [13:44] <harryfreak359> yeah, sooner [13:44] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oh puhlease....her goes the true love-made for eaxh other-love at first site crap [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> he finally started noticing what I great girl she was [13:44] <magicmeg8> Why do you think all the Weasleys, not just Ginny, ended up in Gryffindor? What makes them Gryffindor material [13:44] <Brin> It is hard follow everyone through one person's eyes. [13:44] <harryfreak359> they are loyal freinds [13:44] <beadgirl> i think that having harry in her life has made her a different person [13:45] <Siobhan4hp> That's huflepuf though [13:45] <Moriah> Loyal friends is usually Hufflepuff [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Percy is the hardest one to figure out as far as being in Gryffindor [13:45] <VASH_Bloodthirst> their blood! their character! [13:45] <Moriah> They are willing to stand for what they believe in... including Percy [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> we don't know enought about Chalie [13:45] <Siobhan4hp> There al brave people yoiu would risk everying for eachother [13:45] <lolabelle> their upbringing. the ability to stand up for what is right. [13:45] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Good q, meg8 - I think we see Gryffindor qualities in all the Weasleys - almost stereotypical qualities [13:45] <VASH_Bloodthirst> dats wat makes them gryffidors! [13:45] <Sofie> they are all brave i guess [13:45] <Aislinn> I think Ron shows how brave he is all the time, being Harry's friend [13:45] <Brin> I think in a way all of the Weasleys are risk takers. They all do so in very different ways but do so none the less. Taking a risk requires bravery. [13:45] <Poet> Good genetics with an excellent nurturing environment. [13:45] <Jrg1990> They are Merlins decendants i think (think of all the Arthurian connections), and i cant imagine such a noble wizards family not being gryf [13:45] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> We see it more in later books, rather than CoS [13:45] *** JohnRobert has joined #lounge [13:45] <beadgirl> charlie has to be brave to work with dragons [13:45] <Aislinn> He overcame his fear of the spiders and followed Harry into the forest [13:45] <Brin> Ron does show bravery being Harry's friend. [13:45] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:45] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ron is loyal...his bravery some from there [13:45] <Belenzie> did anyone notice it in ootp where neville gets caught by the inquisitorial squad trying to keep ginny from getting caught- he stood up to a half dozen slytherins!!! he';s gonna get her [13:46] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> In CoS they just seem to be a very loving, tight-knit family [13:46] <harryfreak359> neville would do that for any of his friends [13:46] <harryfreak359> not jusst ginny [13:46] <Poet> Their ancestors seem to be brave, so family history would weigh heavily on them? The Prewett brothers for instance died in the cause of the OOP [13:46] <VASH_Bloodthirst> bravery is the overcoming of a fear ....or doing something despite being afraid [13:46] <Sofie> there is no way Nevill will get Ginny. no way [13:46] <Siobhan4hp> Okay, secon time defending Percy,: what he did in OOTP was evil but brave step for he steped a way from the family he knew all his life, and though (wrongly) [13:46] <JohnRobert> i felt bad for neville in book 5 [13:46] <Belenzie> but he specifaaly did it then for ginny [13:46] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct Poet [13:46] <harryfreak359> O aggree sofie [13:46] <LJ> By the time of CoS all of the Weasleys are in Gryffindor, what did you think of that then, before we got to see the characters develope more in later books? [13:46] <VASH_Bloodthirst> if charlie is not scared of dargons then there is no real bravely [13:47] <Moriah> I don't think it was even evil, Siobhan [13:47] <VASH_Bloodthirst> he's jus tough [13:47] <Belenzie> oh percy gonna die protecting molly or the twins [13:47] <JohnRobert> why do u think that? [13:47] <Sofie> agree Bel [13:47] <Poet> There's not Ginny/Neville shipping in book 2, so I'd hold off on that for a book 7 shipping discussion [13:47] <lolabelle> or harry [13:47] <Priscilla> no i dont think he will [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> just goes to show that they all share the same basic core values [13:47] <Siobhan4hp> Well, not evil just wrong and diotic. [13:47] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LJ - I think the scene in the book shop, where Arthur assails Lucius starts to show us what a proud Gryff he is [13:47] <Siobhan4hp> idiotic [13:47] <Priscilla> hes all for himslef in my opionon [13:47] <harryfreak359> yeah ginny [13:48] *** Hedwigger7 has joined #lounge [13:48] <VASH_Bloodthirst> percy still has love fo rhis family somewhere [13:48] *** michelle_2007 has joined #lounge [13:48] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Prior to then, we see the Weasley Gryff traits mainly through Ron [13:48] <VASH_Bloodthirst> let 's hope [13:48] <Moriah> It takes bravery to stand up to your family. He made a mistake. Just because you're brave doesn't mean you're always right [13:48] <Jrg1990> Percy isnt going to redeem himself IMO, i think that he has had so many chances to return that he just doesnt plan to. Im not saying hes goin to turn DE, but he wont return to the Order and his family either. [13:48] <magicmeg8> Hi Hedwigger and Michelle, we're discussing the Weasley and why they're in Gryffindor [13:48] <Siobhan4hp> That makes sense as he is Hary's best friend so he is the most prominent weasley. [13:48] <Poet> LJ - I saw the Weasleys as the Army for our hero Harry - the people who would come to his aid - a built in support group [13:48] <Belenzie> or charlies gonna die, and it won't the fact that it was Charlie weasley who dierd thats gonna get us upset its the fact that he was Mollym w [13:48] <Brin> I don't think anyone is saying that Percy doesn't love his family but i think he puts his own ambitions above that love. [13:48] <VASH_Bloodthirst> foolish bravery...aint dat wat i'm saying all de time [13:49] <lolabelle> still, i'd love to see him hold out for that one really noble act to redeem himself. if only for molly's sake. [13:49] <Belenzie> ..Weasley son who died that gonna affect us [13:49] <Hedwigger7> Hi, let me catch up and I'll try and join in. [13:49] <Aislinn> I think that's a good way of looking at it, poet [13:49] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oki [13:49] <Sofie> you cant treat your mother like Percy did and love your family at the same time [13:49] <harryfreak359> bravery is not foolsih] [13:49] <harryfreak359> foolish* [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> good question sofie [13:49] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oh...percy is jus confused [13:49] <JohnRobert> hmmmm [13:49] <VASH_Bloodthirst> but there is such a thing as a fool's bravery [13:49] <Belenzie> percy is just to stubborn [13:49] <Priscilla> he has love for family we know that but he wants power all the same [13:49] <harryfreak359> bravery is bravery [13:49] <Jrg1990> you can have a deep love for them, but it doesnt mean you would do anything for them. He can turn his back on his feelings. [13:49] <Belenzie> like every other weasley male [13:49] <Sofie> percy is a git [13:50] <Belenzie> lol [13:50] <lolabelle> lol [13:50] <JohnRobert> What did Fudge Tell Percy making him Turn? [13:50] <Siobhan4hp> Percy, bles him thought he was righ, and when people disagre with you you stand by your own opinion [13:50] <VASH_Bloodthirst> no harry freak [13:50] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Percy is the Michael J. Keaton of the clan [13:50] <Jrg1990> lol [13:50] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hippie parents [13:50] <Aislinn> do we see any signs in CoS that give us hints that Percy will be turning his back on his family later? [13:50] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> average academic sibs [13:50] <Poet> Charlie for instance helped Harry rescue the dragon. Ron helped rescue Harry in task 4 of book 1, as well as rescue him from falling in with the wrong crowd on the Hogwarts train in book 1 [13:50] <Priscilla> haha-G [13:50] <Moriah> Percy could have spied on his family instead of being honest about his believes [13:50] <VASH_Bloodthirst> foolish bravery is when u rush into something...its brave but might jus get u into more truble, bravery is mostly shown by hermione...she thinks things through [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> not really signs, but we definitely are clued in to his ambition [13:50] <Brin> Percy is driven by his ambititon. [13:51] <Poet> The Weasely twins physically rescue Harry from his book 2 prison [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> like the book he was reading, and being so proud of his prefect badge [13:51] <Sofie> percy is too power hungry [13:51] <VASH_Bloodthirst> u see wat i am saying harry freak? [13:51] <harryfreak359> yeah he is [13:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct Brin - it will be interesting to see which of his desires ultimately wins out [13:51] <michelle_2007> i don't thinks percy will go to his family only if something bad happen like one of his family member died [13:51] <Poet> Percy is not quite a it yet in book 2 though [13:51] <JohnRobert> What did Fudge tell Percy making him anti-Weasly? [13:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Pride or lov [13:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> e [13:51] <Priscilla> He wants to be pver his father? in the ministry [13:51] <Moriah> If he were driven by power only, I still say he would have spied on his family in order to help the ministry [13:51] <Sofie> i dont think its Fudge's fault, JR [13:51] <JohnRobert> lol [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Moriah [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> he still has the basic goodness inside of him [13:52] *** beadgirl has quit [Bye] [13:52] <Siobhan4hp> Ginny manages to be possessed fo a whole year by Voldemor and move on, If that' not courage what is, she also helped in the batte at the end of OOTP and HBP [13:52] <Poet> Percy patrols the halls in Book 2 with a calculating air [13:52] <JohnRobert> Will Percy get married? [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> that doesn't relate to book 2 [13:52] <Sofie> i hope not...poor girl [13:52] <Jrg1990> Nah its not fudges fault percy is this way. He was powerhungry and conceited from day one, thats just progressed as the story has continues [13:52] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> To Penny Clearwater, probably [13:52] <Jrg1990> continued* [13:52] <JohnRobert> lol [13:52] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think they're still an 'item' [13:52] <Hedwigger7> Does anyone wonder why percy is ike he is? I mean why he has this need to be recognized and succeed in public? [13:52] <Brin> We don't know he didn't spy on his family. I have wondered if maybe he got the job with the ministry for that reason. Maybe he was writing to more than his girlfriend. The ministry couldn't get info from DD and Ron was telling stories all summer. Percy could have used the info. [13:53] <JohnRobert> What house what penny clearwater in? [13:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Ravenclaw [13:53] <Jrg1990> yeah [13:53] <JohnRobert> oh [13:53] *** daretodream has joined #lounge [13:53] <JohnRobert> ya [13:53] <Aislinn> I think that raises an interesting question, hedwigger [13:53] <michelle_2007> i agree brin [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I would say for a lot of the same reasons Ron does Hed [13:53] <Poet> Well Percy "the git" won't let Ron use his owl to try and contact Harry - even though Errol is quite old [13:53] *** daretodream has quit [Bye] [13:53] <Hedwigger7> He's not the oldest, right? A middle-child syndrom maybe? [13:53] <Moriah> I think Percy would have pretended to be back "in" with his family if he really wanted to help, Brin [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly what I was thinking [13:53] *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] [13:53] <Moriah> The ministry, I mean [13:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Perhaps Hedwigger [13:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> you might have a good point [13:54] <Aislinn> Does the birth order of each Weasley influence the traits we see them exhibit? [13:54] *** mprater306 has joined #lounge [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so Ais [13:54] <Moriah> I think so too, Hedwigger [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> especially with Percy, Ron, and Ginny [13:54] <magicmeg8> I think it has some minor influence [13:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmm Aislinn - I think they're all over the map [13:54] <lolabelle> percy as jan brady. now there's food for thought. [13:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Seems Charlie and Bill were moderately well behaved [13:54] <Hedwigger7> Well, I'm not sure, Ginny is the baby right? (me too) -- she doesn't seem particularly spoiled or anything, esp. as the only girll. [13:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> as is Percy [13:54] <JohnRobert> Who is smarter? Ron or The Twins? [13:54] <andythehouseelf> Yeah Aislinn. I mean look at Ron trying to keep up with all his older brothers. [13:54] <Brin> I think birth order is important in the weasley family. Ron sort has that forgotten child syndrome going for him. [13:55] <harryfreak359> ginny is a stronger person because she had so many brothers [13:55] <michelle_2007> the twins are smarter [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> In addition to being the baby, Ginny is also the only girl [13:55] <JohnRobert> i think so 2 [13:55] <Brin> Twins and Bill I think are the smartest [13:55] <VASH_Bloodthirst> back [13:55] <mprater306> I agree the twins are smarter [13:55] <Siobhan4hp> Ro is smarter he got better OWLS, but the twins are more creative. [13:55] <Aislinn> I think so too, harryfreak [13:55] <harryfreak359> is she was the oldest she would probably not be that way [13:55] <JohnRobert> is there a secret still upon Ginny? [13:55] <Sofie> gotta quit [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> bye sofie [13:55] <Sofie> bye all [13:55] <Brin> Ron got good owls with Harry and Hermione's study help [13:55] <JohnRobert> bye [13:55] <Siobhan4hp> bye [13:55] <Poet> Percy reminds me of some of my younger siblings who think my parents or us older kids could have made choices differently and gotten ahead faster in life. But they find out that things aren't as easy as they seem. Percy has seen that in book 4 and 5 now - not always easy to be successful and not trip up - even if you do try and be ambitious [13:55] <harryfreak359> bye [13:55] <lolabelle> ginny being the only girl changes her place in the birth order scenario [13:56] *** Sofie has quit [Bye] [13:56] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Interesting, Poet [13:56] <Hedwigger7> But as the only girl and the baby, Ginny is very spirited and not at all caudled (sp?) -- and yea, all the brothers help... [13:56] *** HeleneB has joined #lounge [13:56] <JohnRobert> your right poet [13:56] <JohnRobert> ur right poet [13:56] <harryfreak359> yeah, poet [13:56] <harryfreak359> yes hedwigger [13:56] <HeleneB> Okay, I just came in. What's Poet right about? lol [13:56] <Brin> I think Ginny is treated different. When she gets nosy with Percy he doesn't go after her like he does his brothers. [13:57] <LJ> Hi HeleneB [13:57] <HeleneB> Hey! [13:57] <harryfreak359> well she is the only girl [13:57] <Aislinn> we're talking sibling order and its effects on the weasleys helene [13:57] <Hedwigger7> But why does Percy find dault in his family? WHy is he so ambitious? Never celar on that... unless he's seeking attention he felt he never received at home. [13:57] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [13:57] <harryfreak359> some people are just born that way [13:57] <HeleneB> That's not that unusual for brothers to be more protective of sisters. [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Hed, it is becuse the Weasley's were out of favor with the MoM [13:57] <Aislinn> Percy seems quite protective of ginny, brin [13:57] <Priscilla> i think he got attention at hm [13:57] <VASH_Bloodthirst> wat we talking about? [13:57] <Brin> I think Percy hates their poverty and feels his dad isn't doing enough to get them a better life. [13:58] <Priscilla> yes agreed Brin [13:58] <JohnRobert> yes [13:58] <Hedwigger7> Sooner, wouldn't that naturally make one cling to one's own family in defense of them? [13:58] <HeleneB> I think Percy is very status conscious, and he is family is not. [13:58] <JohnRobert> good therioe [13:58] <Moriah> Molly always talks to the twins about how Percy never was a problem. Percy learned that was how he got attention from his trouble making brothers who were only a year younger [13:58] <HeleneB> *his [13:58] <harryfreak359> the birth order of the weasleys and its effects on them, VASH [13:58] <michelle_2007> i thinks percy is just trying to get power and a better life for himself [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, Percy is young and ambitious [13:58] <HeleneB> Well Percy's certainly making up for it now [13:58] <Aislinn> right moriah [13:58] <Hedwigger7> Intersting Brin, and sad. [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> and foolish...he has to make those mistakes [13:58] <Poet> Helen: (Percy reminds me of some of my younger siblings who think my parents or us older kids could have made choices differently and gotten ahead faster in life. But they find out that things aren't as easy as they seem. Percy has seen that in book 4 and 5 now - not always easy to be successful and not trip up - even if you do try and be ambitious) [13:59] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:59] <Moriah> I think Ginny, although the youngest and the girl, still isn't spoiled because they didn't have enough to spoil anyone in the first place [13:59] <HeleneB> Percy, in his own way, is a glory seeker, though. That makes him view what's important differently than Arthur [13:59] <Brin> But Percy has also learned what to do to help his own cause at the expense of his families feelings [13:59] <Moriah> But like others have said, she still is treated differently [13:59] <harryfreak359> yeah Moriah [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think (okay hope) that JKR is using this as a way to show us Percy coming of age and finally choosing what is right vs what is easy [14:00] <Moriah> I hope so too, Sooner [14:00] <JohnRobert> hey dumbeldore [14:00] <Hedwigger7> I wonder Sooner [14:00] <Aislinn> it will be interesting to see if hecomes around next book [14:00] <HeleneB> Ginny has two things going against here--one is she's the youngest in the family, and they tend to always be treated differently. [14:00] <harryfreak359> the reason i would care is for mrs. weasley [14:00] <JohnRobert> everything relys on the next book [14:00] <HeleneB> The second is she's the only girl in generations [14:00] <Brin> That would be great but she has a habit of also showing us how awful we can all be to each other. Hey don't you think Percy would fit well with the Dursleys [14:00] <Poet> Oh so, Percy feels encouraged to be ambitious and good perhaps because his attempts to counterbalance the twins were looked upon favorably by his mother? [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> It will be interesting to see if she finally breaks free of that control in the next book [14:01] <Aislinn> do you see her being negatively affected by that, Helene? [14:01] <harryfreak359> he probably was trying to be better than bill to [14:01] <HeleneB> Subconscious reinforcement? [14:01] <Moriah> I think so, Poet [14:01] <Siobhan4hp> Giny, was not spoiled, remember in COS she said the reason she turned to Tom, was because he family seemed to ignore her when she joined Hogwarts, which I don't blame her. would it realy take Ron ten minutes to se how is sister is doing. [14:01] <Hedwigger7> I wonder if Molly doesn't make excuses for Percy as she can't understand his actions... [14:01] <HeleneB> I think [14:01] <HeleneB> Ginny's learned to be a fighter because of it [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> one of the funniest lines in book 2..."You should take a page out of Percy's book!"--Molly to the twins [14:01] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Absolutely Hedwigger [14:01] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [14:02] *** Poet has joined #lounge [14:02] <JohnRobert> tes [14:02] <HeleneB> She's learned how to be a sneak from the twins to get what she wants. But she has the decency value that most of her family has. [14:02] <Aislinn> agreed, helene [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> in retrospect, its a good thing they didn't....lol [14:02] <VASH_Bloodthirst> molly would try to understand percy''s situation.....he's her son [14:02] <JohnRobert> bye everyone [14:02] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:02] <harryfreak359> bye [14:02] <Aislinn> bye [14:02] *** JohnRobert has quit [Bye] [14:02] <michelle_2007> bye [14:02] <HeleneB> Even with the twins' sometimes less than acceptable behavior, they are good people--decent people. [14:02] <Moriah> And understanding someone is the first step in fixing the problem [14:02] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she would try her best anyway [14:03] <harryfreak359> yeah, theya re just trying to make people happy [14:03] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think the twins are more about hijinx than anything sinister [14:03] <HeleneB> I think of when they gave Dudley the ton-tongue toffee and Arthur accused them of muggle baiting--they were outraged. [14:03] *** JohnRobert has joined #lounge [14:03] <VASH_Bloodthirst> the twins are on the sid eof good...they are jus mischievous and trong willed [14:03] <Hedwigger7> Yes Helene. I think parents and kids always have tough times understanding one another at certain periods/ages in their lives... [14:03] <magicmeg8> The Burrow is the first Wizarding home we have seen so far. It truly is a magical home. We have gnomes in the garden, ghouls in the attic and dishes that wash their selves. What do you think about the Weasley home? [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, they didn't do it because he's a muggle. they did it because he's a git [14:03] <VASH_Bloodthirst> stong willed * [14:03] <JohnRobert> Mr. Weasly and Mr. Malfoy must of had a few conficts before book 1 [14:03] <Hedwigger7> Love it! Home sweet home! [14:03] <harryfreak359> yeah it was just a joke and they knew how dudley tortured harry, they wanted to stick up for harry, bc hes like theyre brtoher [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> That the most magical thing about it is the love inside [14:03] <HeleneB> It's definitely a comfortable place. [14:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I'm with Harry on the Burrow - I think it's brilliant [14:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yea...no1 in my family can figure me out! [14:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol [14:04] <Moriah> That was poetic, Sooner smile [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks smile [14:04] <michelle_2007> weasley home is sweet but i would like to see the malfoys home to see the differents [14:04] <Poet> They Weasleys may be described as poor, but their house is full of the richness of "comfort" [14:04] <Hedwigger7> Yea [14:04] <harryfreak359> yea [14:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Malfoys would likely be goth [14:04] <HeleneB> You can sit back and enjoy yourself without worrying about breaking anything. I've been in homes that were practically museums. Who would want to live tthere? [14:04] <Aislinn> good point poet [14:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> a big gothic castle [14:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well...we can allgues wat the malfoys house is like [14:04] <Hedwigger7> LOL Ginny [14:04] <Moriah> Agreed, Helene [14:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Helene [14:05] <magicmeg8> Let's stick to the Weasleys, guys smile. What do you love most about it? [14:05] <Siobhan4hp> Shoving Montague into a vaninshing cabinet in OOTP was wrong though, just for taking points, he could& --------------------  To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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