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[12:59] *** Topic is: The Weasleys in the Chamber of Secrets (LJ)
[12:59] *** Ameena has joined #lounge [13:00] <Aislinn> Hi ameena! [13:00] <Ameena> Hey, guys. [13:00] <andythehouseelf> hey [13:00] <LJ> hey all [13:00] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:00] <Aislinn> hey sooner [13:00] <Ameena> thanks for posting that announcement- I almost forgot about it [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everybody [13:00] <LJ> np [13:00] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [13:00] <Aislinn> got in first time this time! smile [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:01] <Aislinn> hey bel [13:01] <Belenzie> hey aislinn [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Peeves must be taking a break [13:01] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has joined #lounge [13:01] <Belenzie> ahaha like your name ginny [13:01] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle left #lounge [] [13:01] <Aislinn> Hi Gin-bot! [13:01] <Aislinn> oops [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe Peeves got her [13:02] <Ameena> lol [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> so how is everybody liking their reading groups? [13:02] <Belenzie> ....unauthorized portkey [13:02] <Belenzie> reading groups?? [13:02] <Ameena> Love it! [13:03] *** Sofie has joined #lounge [13:03] <Sofie> hey everybody! [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> me too...I'm finding so much more this time around [13:03] <andythehouseelf> hey guys [13:03] <Ameena> I'm in the game room- Kimmy and Holly rock! I love holly's chapter descriptions [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hey sofie [13:03] <Belenzie> the things where we were either team red or team blue:: [13:03] *** tango23312 has joined #lounge [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm in room 2 and the view is great [13:03] <Sofie> romm 2 rocks! smile [13:03] <Sofie> *room [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> yes it does [13:04] *** tango23312 has quit [Bye] [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> Bel, you know about the reading groups don't you? [13:04] <andythehouseelf> i love the game room [13:04] *** Priscilla has joined #lounge [13:04] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge [13:04] <Aislinn> hi priscilla [13:04] <andythehouseelf> and i have a thread going up in there soon w00t2 [13:04] <Aislinn> hi jrg! [13:04] <Jrg1990> evening all smile [13:04] <andythehouseelf> hey james [13:05] <Priscilla> HI ALL [13:05] <Jrg1990> going up where andy? your RG? [13:05] <Sofie> hey .) [13:05] <Ameena> well, I acutally cant' stay- I have to do some reesearch for a new novel I'm writing- I just popped in quickly to say hi before the discussion started [13:05] <andythehouseelf> yeah james [13:05] <andythehouseelf> ok cool. bye ameena [13:05] <Aislinn> sorry you can't join in the chat, ameena [13:05] <Ameena> bbye all biggrin [13:05] <Jrg1990> cool. Ive got one in the works for mine as well. [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> bye ameena [13:05] <Sofie> bye ameena [13:05] <Jrg1990> bye Ameena [13:05] *** Ameena left #lounge [] [13:05] <Belenzie> no i am completely cinfuzzled sooner...i signed up but i can't navigate anywhere? [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> do you know what group you were sorted to? [13:06] <Belenzie> the blue one [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> ? [13:06] <andythehouseelf> theres a blue one? [13:06] *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] [13:06] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge [13:06] <Belenzie> well one was described in blue the other in red [13:06] <Jrg1990> oops :S [13:07] <Aislinn> bel - there was a choice of an A group and a B group for the sorting [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> there's either option a or option b [13:07] <Belenzie> a then [13:07] <Belenzie> it was written in blue [13:07] <LJ> Belenzie: there should be a Forum called the Lily and Stag Inn when you look on the main forum view [13:07] <LJ> do you see that? [13:07] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [13:07] <Belenzie> yeah [13:07] *** LJ has joined #lounge [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> option a only has one room [13:08] <Belenzie> k [13:08] <Aislinn> when you click on that, you will find your room, bel [13:08] <LJ> you only see one room each anyway, and the Welcome room [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> don't forget to visit the welcome room as well [13:08] <Aislinn> if you signed up for the A option, it is called the Cafe [13:09] <Jrg1990> oooooo cafe. The place reallly has expanded, first a Games Room and now a Cafe too. What a great hotel lol [13:09] <Belenzie> k thanks [13:09] <Aislinn> We're going to give people a few minutes to get in here, and will start the topic at quarter after [13:09] <Priscilla> i was wondering why we wernt talking about the subject-HAHA [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> anyway, I have picked up on and learned so much from my first 2 reading groups [13:09] <Jrg1990> cool. Its Weasleys right? [13:10] <Aislinn> yes [13:10] <Sofie> yes, its the Weasleys in CoS [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> just in CoS [13:10] <Jrg1990> yeah thats what i thought. Just checking [13:10] <LJ> you can discuss other books, as long as it relates to CoS - just like in the reading groups [13:10] <andythehouseelf> YAY for other books! [13:10] <LJ> don't worry, there'll be an announcement about it before the chat starts [13:11] <Sofie> but dont start a Ginny-harry discussion, please [13:11] <Aislinn> hehe [13:11] <andythehouseelf> but it has to be a Harry Potter book! No LotR! [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> funny how CoS used to be my least fav book, but since book 6 I like it a lot better [13:11] <Aislinn> me too, sooner [13:11] *** Brin has joined #lounge [13:11] <LJ> a lot of people have found that SoonerGryffindor [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> sofie, Harry and Ginny are a major theme in CoS [13:11] *** Poet has joined #lounge [13:11] <Aislinn> it was my least favorite, but I'm liking it better now [13:11] <andythehouseelf> well you see the story in a different context after book 6 [13:11] <Sofie> i meant the shipping smile [13:11] <Poet> I've got my Chamber of Secrets handy and am reading to roll [13:11] <Aislinn> hi brin! [13:11] <andythehouseelf> its more important in the grand scheme [13:12] <Brin> Hello Aislinn [13:12] *** Moriah has joined #lounge [13:12] <Jrg1990> yeah andy. You see why it had to be there in a way you really had no idea abotu previously to HBP [13:12] <Jrg1990> hey Moriah [13:12] <Aislinn> hey moriah [13:12] <Moriah> Hi all smile [13:12] <Sofie> hey moriah [13:12] <andythehouseelf> hey all new people [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> *waves to Moriah* [13:12] <andythehouseelf> (it saves having to say it so many times) [13:12] <Moriah> *waves back* [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:13] <Brin> I think this book is definetly meant to establish a foundation of knowledge for the future books. There is so much detail here that backs up our later knowledge. [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how so many things pop up here that you see in book 6 [13:13] <Sofie> our first encouter with a Horcrux... [13:13] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has joined #lounge [13:13] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> *shudder* [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Just think of all the stuff from B&B's that shows back up [13:14] <Brin> Has anyone ever noticed that the way Ginny is a clutz around Harry in this book is how Tonks is a clutz around Lupin in book 5. [13:14] *** magicmeg8 has joined #lounge [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> lol....I think Tonks is hopeless [13:14] <Sofie> yes, and also, our first-person meeting with Tom [13:14] <Belenzie> * Harry first gets told it is your choices that make you who you are.....which is a main theme in HBP= the connection between the two of them?? [13:15] <SoonerGryffindor> there are so many connections between the 2 that it is eerie [13:15] <Sofie> lol, Brin, thats true smile [13:15] <andythehouseelf> OK guys your not gonna be able to talk for a moment but dont leave! [13:15] *** Pleione has joined #lounge [13:15] <Aislinn> During the chat a Moderator may contact you through a PM here. There will be a tab at the top of the screen, next to the #Lounge, with a # and the Mods name. You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “L.J got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. [13:16] <Aislinn> This discussion is about the Weasleys in The Chamber of Secrets. Just as in the Reading Groups, all discussion must be about CoS. While this doesn’t mean that you can’t bring in things from the other books, we would prefer it if you relate it back to CoS. [13:16] <Aislinn> We first saw the Weasleys as a red headed family in PS/SS at Platform 9 ¾. However, they play a much bigger role in CoS, as we first see them as a family at the Burrow. There are 9 Weasleys; Molly and Arthur and 7 children; Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred and George, Ron and Ginny. Arthur works with Muggles at the Ministry, and has a love for Muggle artefacts and technology, Molly is Mothering. At this point in the series we only know basic details about Bill and Charlie, Percy seems pompous, but for the most part he is considered ok in CoS, Fred and George are the entertainment, the clowns. Ron is Harry’s best friend and we know most about him, he is a main character. Ginny is only seen once before, but in CoS she becomes more important to the story. [13:16] *** VASH_Bloodthirst has joined #lounge [13:17] <LJ> At this point in the series we only know basic details about Bill and Charlie, Percy seems pompous, but for the most part he is considered ok in CoS, Fred and George are the entertainment, the clowns. Ron is Harry’s best friend and we know most about him, he is a main character. Ginny is only seen once before, but in CoS she becomes more important to the story. [13:17] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hello every1 [13:17] *** lolabelle has joined #lounge [13:17] <Belenzie> i am rereading COS and i realized for the first time Ginny has brown eyes [13:17] *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> funny how Charlie never gets much page time [13:17] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well...we all know that percy seems pompous [13:18] <Sofie> yes but we dont see much of Ginny either before she actually got into the Chamber [13:18] <LJ> The Weasleys are a traditional family, the Dad goes out to work, the Mum stays at home to take care of the family; bringing up the children, cooking and cleaning. Discuss your thoughts on the Weasleys as a traditional family. [13:18] <Belenzie> well it'll be easier to kill him off for that very reason [13:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well yea [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> there is a lot of love in that house [13:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yep! [13:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> typical family...brother fighting...protective brothers, etc. [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> and Molly is represented as the perfect mom [13:19] <Sofie> Jo wanted to show us that love is more important than money [13:19] <Belenzie> but was there enough to go around??......Percy [13:19] <Moriah> Nice point, Sofie [13:19] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct Sofie [13:19] *** Punky has joined #lounge [13:19] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well...its obviousint he book that love ios themost important thing [13:19] <lolabelle> and honor. they live how they do to bring forth a better life for their family. [13:19] <Brin> I think this introducing into the Weasleys is to really show us the contrast of dark and light in Harry's life. (ie Weasley's vs. the Dursleys) [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the line in chapter 4 where Harry notices that the biggest reason the Burrow is different from #4 PD is that everybody likes him at the Burrow [13:19] <magicmeg8> Hi punky, today we're talking about the weasleys [13:19] <Punky> Thanks [13:19] <Sofie> its my fav line, too, sooner .) [13:19] <harryfreak359> yeah me too [13:19] <VASH_Bloodthirst> dumble dor said in COC that the most powerful weapon is LOVE [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> that line makes me so sad for Harry [13:20] <harryfreak359> makes you realise how hard hes had it [13:20] <Sofie> yeah, its heartbreaking sad [13:20] <Moriah> Same, Sooner. But also excited that he has finally found love [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> It just goes to show that love is the most important thing to him [13:20] <VASH_Bloodthirst> the weaselys adn the durselys are necessay in harry's life [13:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think Harry finds his sanctuary at the burrow [13:20] <Sofie> do you think we will see more of Charlie in book7? [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe [13:21] <VASH_Bloodthirst> the durselys are the necessary evila nd the weaseleys are the love he needs so much [13:21] *** Siobhan4hp has joined #lounge [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> It definitely shows the contrast vash [13:21] <VASH_Bloodthirst> any1 agrees? [13:21] <Brin> The line about love makes it critical for Harry to have the Weasleys. Really Harry doesn't know how love works other than the sacrafice his parents made. He learns it from the Weasleys and Hermione. [13:21] <magicmeg8> Hi siobhan, today we're talking about the weasleys smile [13:21] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Good point, Brin [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> for the first time, he is accepted for who he is, not what he has done [13:21] <VASH_Bloodthirst> the durselys are a must tho....they are the necessary evil [13:21] <Siobhan4hp> Hi, cool, I like the weasleys smile [13:22] <Sofie> who doesnt? smile [13:22] <harryfreak359> exactly [13:22] <Moriah> I think the Dursleys will prove to be more complicated than that, Vash [13:22] <Siobhan4hp> I don't know [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> How does Arthur represent a father figure in this book? [13:22] <VASH_Bloodthirst> dumbledoor himself said that harry MUST go back to the durselys [13:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmmm - is he the traditional patriarch? [13:23] <Sofie> well, he is the one who earns money, so is kinda like the traditional father-figure [13:23] <VASH_Bloodthirst> they are important, however disliked they may be [13:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Seems to me that despite Molly being a hausfrau, she has equal say [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't think he's a typical patriarch...so different from Vernon [13:23] <Moriah> I think he's a father who often acts like the kids unless it is something big, like the diary [13:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> He has a great deal of respect for Molly [13:23] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:23] <Sofie> i agree, moriah [13:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> they share responsibility equally it seems [13:23] <VASH_Bloodthirst> vernon is a tyrant, while arthur is democratic [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they are all a little scared of Molly...lol [13:23] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well..sort of [13:24] <harryfreak359> yeah i think so she can be a bit scary [13:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Too right S/G [13:24] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol.....if molly was my mom, i would be scared [13:24] <Sofie> definately, but she(Molly) has every right to be the boss in the family smile [13:24] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol....but she is lovable [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> How do we see the Molly/Arthur relationship differ from Petunia/Vernon? [13:24] *** Pleione has quit [Bye] [13:24] <Siobhan4hp> Arthur likes to have a bit of fun with his kids, he's quite a relaxed person but when it's needed he's serious [13:24] <Moriah> I think their roles are more separate than shared... they pull the same amount of weight though [13:24] <Sofie> M/A are like teenagers sometimes [13:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes, Arthur is so not a disciplinarian [13:25] <harryfreak359> no not at all [13:25] <Belenzie> arthur has a longer fuse then Molly, but i think it can be just as destructive "i've never heard dad row like that...its usually mom who shouts"- spoken by ron in ootp [13:25] <harryfreak359> he can be proctective of his family thoguh [13:25] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i like charlie [13:25] <lolabelle> i am constantly amused by molly's love of the wizarding self help books. [13:25] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Definitely Harry - and this becomes more evident in later books [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> good thing Molly is the tough one, someone has to be able to control those kids [13:25] <VASH_Bloodthirst> altho, he's not frequently mentioned [13:25] <harryfreak359> yeah charlie should in the books more [13:26] <Sofie> yes, but i bet after that Lockhart-fiasco, she is more careful with them [13:26] <Siobhan4hp> Yeah, they must be mad to have 7 kids [13:26] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yea, especially wiht allthose boys [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to admit that I loved it when Arthur took on Lucius in the bookstore [13:26] <Belenzie> well it would be easier to kill charlie if we knew less about him [13:26] <VASH_Bloodthirst> love charlie [13:26] <LJ> So guys, what do we think of the Weasleys as a traditional family? [13:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LOL!! That scene was great S/G [13:26] <VASH_Bloodthirst> but then again, i am soo weird...i love lestat [13:26] <Siobhan4hp> Sofie: She used a lockhart bok in OOTP when they were cleaning 12 Grimmauld place. [13:26] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol [13:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LJ - I think they are traditional in a sense [13:26] <magicmeg8> I think they give stability -- they're a large family and obviously care a lot about each other, Laurie. [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that JKR has written them to be totally representative of the traditional family [13:27] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:27] <Sofie> thats true, soibahn, i forgot [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> you have the stern but loving mother... [13:27] <VASH_Bloodthirst> not totally representative [13:27] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> but Molly and Arthur have too much respect for each other to have a typical patriarchal type dynamic [13:27] <Brin> I think that as far as traditional they are probably as traditional as a wizarding family comes. [13:27] <lolabelle> and harry's only source of true acceptance [13:27] <Siobhan4hp> Like my mum a bit, and she only has tthre kids. [13:27] <magicmeg8> Interesting point, ginny. [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> you have the caprecious twins.... [13:27] <VASH_Bloodthirst> not typical nor traditional....but the model family [13:27] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Agree VASH [13:27] <Sofie> agree, VASH [13:27] <magicmeg8> yes, I agree with that. [13:27] <VASH_Bloodthirst> smile [13:28] <harryfreak359> i agree too [13:28] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [13:28] <Siobhan4hp> yeah [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> and every family always has the one black sheep....Percy [13:28] <harryfreak359> hmm.. hate percy [13:28] <magicmeg8> Right, sooner. he's definitely always been different. [13:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Boo for Percy [13:28] <Sofie> Percy doesnt deserve the Weasley name [13:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> self serving I don't know what [13:28] <Siobhan4hp> Aww, I like Percy, he's going to redem himself! [13:28] *** Poet has joined #lounge [13:28] <harryfreak359> no he doesnt [13:28] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i bet there is some reason fo rpercy behaving like this [13:28] <Sofie> no hi isnt! [13:28] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lets hope he mends his ways [13:28] <Aislinn> sooner - please check top of screen [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but it he is realistic. JKR doesn't want the picture perfect family [13:28] <Moriah> Aw, Percy's story isn't over yet [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry...I got it now [13:29] <lolabelle> he tries so hard to be execptional but makes the wrong choices. [13:29] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yes, but percy is soooo way out there [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> what do I do now Ais? [13:29] *** NickTLC has quit [Bye] [13:29] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well if u cant be the best of te best, u can try be the best of teh worst....percy prob thinks like that [13:29] <Aislinn> just keep on joining in the talk, sooner smile [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> k [13:30] <Aislinn> if you clicked on the button up there already [13:30] <lolabelle> good point,vash. [13:30] <Sofie> Ron said in CoS that Percy wants to be the next M for Magic... [13:30] <VASH_Bloodthirst> thanks abelle [13:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes, he did, Sofie [13:30] <LJ> In most traditional families, the Father is the "boss", do you think that's the case here? Or like Gin-Bot said, they have too much respect fotr each other to have one "boss"? [13:30] <Moriah> Oh, I think Percy wants to do the right thing. He's not trying to be the worst. Made some bad decisions, yes [13:30] <harryfreak359> yeah hes power hungry [13:30] <Brin> I think Percy's pride will keep him from rejoining the family. He will die with the rift existing but forgiven in death. [13:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> ...and I think Percy will let little get in his way [13:31] <harryfreak359> maybe, but their better off without him [13:31] <Sofie> i dont want Percy to die only because of Molly...otherwise, i dont care [13:31] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oooh....i hope percy mends his ways.....he's a weasely none the less and i hope he lives up to dat name [13:31] <Priscilla> percy i sthe black sheep of the family where as he wsnt s power [13:31] <Brin> I think there is a balance with Arthur. He makes a living a Molly runs house. I think there is a balance at whose in charge where. [13:31] <VASH_Bloodthirst> some how [13:31] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LJ - I think Arthur and Molly share the responsibility and authority equally, just in different ways [13:31] <Sofie> i agree, Brin [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Brin [13:31] <Siobhan4hp> I think Percy wil swalow his pride and apologize. Poor Percy everyone hates him, I'm the oficial Percy Defender I think [13:31] <magicmeg8> It definitely seems that Molly is more the boss, Laurie -- though Arthur holds a definite place or respect in the family [13:31] <Moriah> Well said, Ginny [13:31] <VASH_Bloodthirst> can i join u Siobhan? [13:31] <Moriah> I'm right beside ya, Siobhan [13:31] *** Siobhan4hp has quit [Bye] [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, Moriah is a huge Percy defender smile [13:31] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Molly is more the disciplinarian - Arthur is the breadwinner [13:32] <andythehouseelf> I see Arthur as the fun father whos forced to be strict as well meg [13:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Molly is the nurturer; Arthur is the pal [13:32] <Moriah> Cheers, Sooner [13:32] <magicmeg8> True, andy -- like when he was very excited about the boys flying the car biggrin [13:32] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:32] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i am not really fond of ginny [13:32] <harryfreak359> what?! [13:32] <Aislinn> that was really funny, meg [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I loooooove Ginny [13:32] <VASH_Bloodthirst> growing up with so many boys, u'd think sh ewould be a bit different [13:32] <Brin> Arthur is responsible when necessary. He certainly tones down his demeanor later on but we really see the fun of Arthur best in this book. [13:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She's a big tomboy [13:33] <magicmeg8> it was, ais. [13:33] <Priscilla> Percy is the black sheep of the family -- he wants power [13:33] <harryfreak359> Ginny i so cool [13:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> dont like ginny [13:33] <Sofie> i like Ginny the best in HBP. she is fun smile [13:33] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Ginny is tough; thick skinned; holds up well against her bros [13:33] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [13:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> likes charlie : ) [13:33] <Brin> I think Ginny is a tomboy out of necessity of growing up with all brother. [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> you have to admit that she can hold her own with them [13:33] <harryfreak359> ill grant you in the earlier books she isnt really that great [13:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> my mom said i'm like a lil man...not very girly [13:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol [13:33] <Moriah> I think through Harry's vision of Ginny in CoS, we are surprised with how she grows up [13:33] <Sofie> Ginny is not like all those stupid girls like Levander or parvati [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I see Ginny as being a lot like molly [13:34] <Moriah> But Harry wasn't seeing the real Ginny in CoS [13:34] <lolabelle> count me in a a big ginny fan. she has a whole lot to offer in the grand sceme of things. think of all she learned about defenses from growing up with fred and george! [13:34] *** DorisTLC has joined #lounge [13:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> True enough, HarryF - she's too giddy over Harry [13:34] <Aislinn> What is your impression of Ginny in CoS? Is it different from the one you have in the later books? [13:34] <harryfreak359> shes awesome in OotP and HBP [13:34] <Whisperwing> I don't necessarily think being a strong woman needs to be defined as being a 'tomboy'.. [13:34] <Sofie> hey Doris! [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely Ais [13:34] <andythehouseelf> hey doris [13:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> ...but, when she starts to follow Hermione's advice, that's when we see her truly [13:34] <Whisperwing> and as usual, someone else has plans for me during the chat and I have to leave. Bother. [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> we see her through the Harry filter [13:34] <VASH_Bloodthirst> agrees with whisper wings [13:34] *** Dora has joined #lounge [13:34] * Whisperwing disapparates. [13:34] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hi dora! [13:34] *** beadgirl has joined #lounge [13:35] *** Whisperwing left #lounge [] [13:35] <Dora> hi [13:35] <magicmeg8> Hi beadgirl, we're focusing on the weasley's today smile [13:35] <Dora> hi ... [13:35] <Brin> Well I think what makes Ginny a tomboy is her interests. She doesn't seem really into a lot girl stuff early on, and she plays Quiddich. Which is such a rough sport that we attribute it to a lot of guys. [13:35] <magicmeg8> Hi dora smile [13:35] <Moriah> Ginny is obviously incredibly strong to even survive CoS [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how JKR shows all of the kids coming of age and I love to see Ginny's change [13:35] <beadgirl> hey guys [13:35] <Aislinn> do we see that in CoS, Brin? [13:35] <harryfreak359> me too [13:35] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she's not a typical tomboy, ginny is [13:36] <harryfreak359> no shes not [13:36] <Punky> she definately takes after molly as well [13:36] <Sofie> i dont think she is a tomboy, either, she is just love a girl who grew up with 6 brothers smile [13:36] <beadgirl> i never really thought of ginny as a tomboy before [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I feel so sorry for her in this book [13:36] <Brin> I think it is subtle what we learn of Ginny in this book, but it creeps out. [13:36] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she's like a cross betw a tomboy and a girly gurl [13:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Does anyone else feel that Ginny is a stereotypical Gryffindor? [13:36] <Sofie> *like [13:36] <harryfreak359> shes kind of like small fred and george [13:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> as defined? [13:36] <VASH_Bloodthirst> in other words...dhe not at any extreme [13:36] <Brin> Oh I think Ginny is defenetly the perfect Gryfinndor. [13:37] <Dora> i love what ginny said about everything seeming possible when growing up with Fred and George. [13:37] <harryfreak359> me too [13:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I have always felt that she would be the postergirl for Gryff [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> she is definitely a typical Gryffindor [13:37] <Sofie> id like to think that, GFTB [13:37] <VASH_Bloodthirst> um... [13:37] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i like luna [13:37] *** Poet has joined #lounge [13:37] <VASH_Bloodthirst> um...we cant discuss luna at this moment, can we? [13:37] <Aislinn> what do we see in CoS that lets us know she is a typical Gryffindor? [13:37] <beadgirl> i think she is what she is cuz of her brothers [13:37] <Aislinn> let's not yet vash [13:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - whereas Hermione has quite a few Ravenclaw traits, I see Ginny as more truly Gryff [13:38] <harryfreak359> agree [13:38] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ok aislinn, sorry [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> well, it took a lot of bravery to throw the book away [13:38] <Poet> I don't see Arthur as the boss - he's more of a figurative head to me. We mainly see him at work. [13:38] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct S/G [13:38] <Dora> or desperation [13:38] <Sofie> Ginny is like i imaginne Lily back in her Hogwarts years [13:38] <harryfreak359> me too [13:38] <Priscilla> ooo yeah sofie [13:38] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Good point, Sofie [13:38] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ginny is a gryffindor enthusiast....that means foolish bravery [13:38] <Dora> well - there's a parallel for you: James and Lily, Harry and Ginny [13:38] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol VASH [13:38] <harryfreak359> not exactly foolish [13:39] <VASH_Bloodthirst> enthusisast [13:39] <beadgirl> i dont think she is foolish at all [13:39] <Sofie> why foolish? [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> how many other people could have been possessed by Tom Riddle and came out of it as well as she did? [13:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She's very practical [13:39] <Dora> except ginny's got a totally different family [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> to me, that shows she's very strong [13:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She's fun, but she can also be no-nonsense [13:39] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:39] <Brin> Ginny defently is like Lily. When Harry sees that memory of Snape where Lily comes to his defense is like when Ginny comes to Harry's defense with Draco in Florish and Blotts. [13:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I totally agree, Brin [13:39] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well of course not, but ginny is not like hermione. hermione would think things through, ginny would jus rush and do watever se can [13:39] <Sofie> exactly, Brin [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, another scene where she shows her Gryf personality [13:39] <VASH_Bloodthirst> it si bravery, but foolish [13:40] <Belenzie> i honestly don't like Ginny.....but i do concede she would be good for Neville [13:40] <Dora> but she stands her ground, even to hermione [13:40] <harryfreak359> foolish? [13:40] <Dora> oops, gotta go. sorry ... [13:40] <VASH_Bloodthirst> agrees with belenzie [13:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> True Dora [13:40] *** Dora has quit [Bye] [13:40] <Aislinn> why, bel [13:40] <Aislinn> ? [13:40] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yes, foolish [13:40] <Belenzie> thank you Vash! i'm not the only one [13:40] <harryfreak359> why? [13:41] <beadgirl> whats not to like [13:41] *** Jrg1990 has joined #lounge [13:41] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol, u r welcome belenzie [13:41] * Jrg1990 has finally finished fighting the wireless monster and has returned [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:41] <Moriah> wb [13:41] <Aislinn> do you guys have reasons you don't like her? [13:41] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she's ok.....i'm jus not fond of her [13:41] <Jrg1990> who dont we like? *needs to catch up* [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> don't look at me, I absolutely love her [13:41] <Sofie> Ginny [13:41] <VASH_Bloodthirst> her character jus isnt deep enough, in my opinion [13:42] <magicmeg8> We're onto Ginny [13:42] <harryfreak359> it hin it is very deep [13:42] <lolabelle> add me to the ginny fans. i want to be her when i grow up. [13:42] <Poet> So are we simply comparing Ginny to other characters right now? What about the other members of her family. Is she a bit like Fred & George? [13:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I disagree VASH [13:42] *** Siobhan4hp has joined #lounge [13:42] <Brin> I don't think we really get to see how deep Ginny can be. [13:42] <VASH_Bloodthirst> nope,not deep enough [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Poet, I see her as being most like F&G [13:42] <VASH_Bloodthirst> likei said, 'in my opinion' [13:42] <Belenzie> i can't say why i dislike her as a character...except maybe for the fact that she can't see that there is a boy right in front of her that would easily give his life to protect her....but i think that will come to light in book 7-i'm talking about the gryff man himself Neville longbottom [13:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think JK has done a good job at developing her, considering the story is written through Harry's eyes, mostly [13:42] <Aislinn> me too, sooner [13:42] <magicmeg8> Ahh, i see Bel. [13:42] <Moriah> I think she learns a lot from her entire family and takes on a lot of their best qualities [13:42] <VASH_Bloodthirst> go neville!!! [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Moriah [13:43] <Brin> I agree Moriah. [13:43] <Priscilla> yes i agree GFTB [13:43] <Sofie> yes but you cant deny that she changed a bit sudden in HBP [13:43] <Poet> Ginny seems to have a certain fiestyness and love of life. I like her energy and determination. [13:43] <Belenzie> well since harry out of the picture nevilee gonna move right in and snatch her away [13:43] <harryfreak359> I agree poet [13:43] <Poet> Interesting point Moriah [13:43] <Brin> How do you mean Sofie? I don't see a big change [13:43] <Moriah> I think we saw a big change in OotP [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> never going to happen Bel [13:43] <Priscilla> no i dont think so Bel [13:43] <harryfreak359> no not neville and ginny! [13:43] <VASH_Bloodthirst> go neville! [13:43] <lolabelle> and JK has hidden her in plain sight in so much of the first few books that there has to be more left that we don't yet see of ginny. [13:43] <Moriah> I don't think it was sudden [13:43] <VASH_Bloodthirst> true tho, dat wont happen belenzie [13:43] <Priscilla> her heart will be for Harry [13:43] <Belenzie> just wait sooner you'll see [13:44] <Jrg1990> yeah sofie i agree, she did sort of take a very big leap in a short time. From the end of OotP to the midpoint of HBP she seems to grow up [13:44] <harryfreak359> ginny and harry were made for each other [13:44] <Sofie> maybe its just the fact that we havent seen her that much in ootp, and suddenly she was everywhere in HBP [13:44] <Siobhan4hp> I don't think iit was sudde, she just grew up *le gasp* [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that was because of the Harry filter [13:44] <Brin> That could be true. [13:44] <Moriah> I agree, Sooner [13:44] <Sofie> i agrre [13:44] <harryfreak359> yeah, sooner [13:44] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oh puhlease....her goes the true love-made for eaxh other-love at first site crap [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> he finally started noticing what I great girl she was [13:44] <magicmeg8> Why do you think all the Weasleys, not just Ginny, ended up in Gryffindor? What makes them Gryffindor material [13:44] <Brin> It is hard follow everyone through one person's eyes. [13:44] <harryfreak359> they are loyal freinds [13:44] <beadgirl> i think that having harry in her life has made her a different person [13:45] <Siobhan4hp> That's huflepuf though [13:45] <Moriah> Loyal friends is usually Hufflepuff [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Percy is the hardest one to figure out as far as being in Gryffindor [13:45] <VASH_Bloodthirst> their blood! their character! [13:45] <Moriah> They are willing to stand for what they believe in... including Percy [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> we don't know enought about Chalie [13:45] <Siobhan4hp> There al brave people yoiu would risk everying for eachother [13:45] <lolabelle> their upbringing. the ability to stand up for what is right. [13:45] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Good q, meg8 - I think we see Gryffindor qualities in all the Weasleys - almost stereotypical qualities [13:45] <VASH_Bloodthirst> dats wat makes them gryffidors! [13:45] <Sofie> they are all brave i guess [13:45] <Aislinn> I think Ron shows how brave he is all the time, being Harry's friend [13:45] <Brin> I think in a way all of the Weasleys are risk takers. They all do so in very different ways but do so none the less. Taking a risk requires bravery. [13:45] <Poet> Good genetics with an excellent nurturing environment. [13:45] <Jrg1990> They are Merlins decendants i think (think of all the Arthurian connections), and i cant imagine such a noble wizards family not being gryf [13:45] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> We see it more in later books, rather than CoS [13:45] *** JohnRobert has joined #lounge [13:45] <beadgirl> charlie has to be brave to work with dragons [13:45] <Aislinn> He overcame his fear of the spiders and followed Harry into the forest [13:45] <Brin> Ron does show bravery being Harry's friend. [13:45] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:45] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ron is loyal...his bravery some from there [13:45] <Belenzie> did anyone notice it in ootp where neville gets caught by the inquisitorial squad trying to keep ginny from getting caught- he stood up to a half dozen slytherins!!! he';s gonna get her [13:46] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> In CoS they just seem to be a very loving, tight-knit family [13:46] <harryfreak359> neville would do that for any of his friends [13:46] <harryfreak359> not jusst ginny [13:46] <Poet> Their ancestors seem to be brave, so family history would weigh heavily on them? The Prewett brothers for instance died in the cause of the OOP [13:46] <VASH_Bloodthirst> bravery is the overcoming of a fear ....or doing something despite being afraid [13:46] <Sofie> there is no way Nevill will get Ginny. no way [13:46] <Siobhan4hp> Okay, secon time defending Percy,: what he did in OOTP was evil but brave step for he steped a way from the family he knew all his life, and though (wrongly) [13:46] <JohnRobert> i felt bad for neville in book 5 [13:46] <Belenzie> but he specifaaly did it then for ginny [13:46] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct Poet [13:46] <harryfreak359> O aggree sofie [13:46] <LJ> By the time of CoS all of the Weasleys are in Gryffindor, what did you think of that then, before we got to see the characters develope more in later books? [13:46] <VASH_Bloodthirst> if charlie is not scared of dargons then there is no real bravely [13:47] <Moriah> I don't think it was even evil, Siobhan [13:47] <VASH_Bloodthirst> he's jus tough [13:47] <Belenzie> oh percy gonna die protecting molly or the twins [13:47] <JohnRobert> why do u think that? [13:47] <Sofie> agree Bel [13:47] <Poet> There's not Ginny/Neville shipping in book 2, so I'd hold off on that for a book 7 shipping discussion [13:47] <lolabelle> or harry [13:47] <Priscilla> no i dont think he will [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> just goes to show that they all share the same basic core values [13:47] <Siobhan4hp> Well, not evil just wrong and diotic. [13:47] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LJ - I think the scene in the book shop, where Arthur assails Lucius starts to show us what a proud Gryff he is [13:47] <Siobhan4hp> idiotic [13:47] <Priscilla> hes all for himslef in my opionon [13:47] <harryfreak359> yeah ginny [13:48] *** Hedwigger7 has joined #lounge [13:48] <VASH_Bloodthirst> percy still has love fo rhis family somewhere [13:48] *** michelle_2007 has joined #lounge [13:48] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Prior to then, we see the Weasley Gryff traits mainly through Ron [13:48] <VASH_Bloodthirst> let 's hope [13:48] <Moriah> It takes bravery to stand up to your family. He made a mistake. Just because you're brave doesn't mean you're always right [13:48] <Jrg1990> Percy isnt going to redeem himself IMO, i think that he has had so many chances to return that he just doesnt plan to. Im not saying hes goin to turn DE, but he wont return to the Order and his family either. [13:48] <magicmeg8> Hi Hedwigger and Michelle, we're discussing the Weasley and why they're in Gryffindor [13:48] <Siobhan4hp> That makes sense as he is Hary's best friend so he is the most prominent weasley. [13:48] <Poet> LJ - I saw the Weasleys as the Army for our hero Harry - the people who would come to his aid - a built in support group [13:48] <Belenzie> or charlies gonna die, and it won't the fact that it was Charlie weasley who dierd thats gonna get us upset its the fact that he was Mollym w [13:48] <Brin> I don't think anyone is saying that Percy doesn't love his family but i think he puts his own ambitions above that love. [13:48] <VASH_Bloodthirst> foolish bravery...aint dat wat i'm saying all de time [13:49] <lolabelle> still, i'd love to see him hold out for that one really noble act to redeem himself. if only for molly's sake. [13:49] <Belenzie> ..Weasley son who died that gonna affect us [13:49] <Hedwigger7> Hi, let me catch up and I'll try and join in. [13:49] <Aislinn> I think that's a good way of looking at it, poet [13:49] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oki [13:49] <Sofie> you cant treat your mother like Percy did and love your family at the same time [13:49] <harryfreak359> bravery is not foolsih] [13:49] <harryfreak359> foolish* [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> good question sofie [13:49] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oh...percy is jus confused [13:49] <JohnRobert> hmmmm [13:49] <VASH_Bloodthirst> but there is such a thing as a fool's bravery [13:49] <Belenzie> percy is just to stubborn [13:49] <Priscilla> he has love for family we know that but he wants power all the same [13:49] <harryfreak359> bravery is bravery [13:49] <Jrg1990> you can have a deep love for them, but it doesnt mean you would do anything for them. He can turn his back on his feelings. [13:49] <Belenzie> like every other weasley male [13:49] <Sofie> percy is a git [13:50] <Belenzie> lol [13:50] <lolabelle> lol [13:50] <JohnRobert> What did Fudge Tell Percy making him Turn? [13:50] <Siobhan4hp> Percy, bles him thought he was righ, and when people disagre with you you stand by your own opinion [13:50] <VASH_Bloodthirst> no harry freak [13:50] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Percy is the Michael J. Keaton of the clan [13:50] <Jrg1990> lol [13:50] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hippie parents [13:50] <Aislinn> do we see any signs in CoS that give us hints that Percy will be turning his back on his family later? [13:50] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> average academic sibs [13:50] <Poet> Charlie for instance helped Harry rescue the dragon. Ron helped rescue Harry in task 4 of book 1, as well as rescue him from falling in with the wrong crowd on the Hogwarts train in book 1 [13:50] <Priscilla> haha-G [13:50] <Moriah> Percy could have spied on his family instead of being honest about his believes [13:50] <VASH_Bloodthirst> foolish bravery is when u rush into something...its brave but might jus get u into more truble, bravery is mostly shown by hermione...she thinks things through [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> not really signs, but we definitely are clued in to his ambition [13:50] <Brin> Percy is driven by his ambititon. [13:51] <Poet> The Weasely twins physically rescue Harry from his book 2 prison [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> like the book he was reading, and being so proud of his prefect badge [13:51] <Sofie> percy is too power hungry [13:51] <VASH_Bloodthirst> u see wat i am saying harry freak? [13:51] <harryfreak359> yeah he is [13:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct Brin - it will be interesting to see which of his desires ultimately wins out [13:51] <michelle_2007> i don't thinks percy will go to his family only if something bad happen like one of his family member died [13:51] <Poet> Percy is not quite a it yet in book 2 though [13:51] <JohnRobert> What did Fudge tell Percy making him anti-Weasly? [13:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Pride or lov [13:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> e [13:51] <Priscilla> He wants to be pver his father? in the ministry [13:51] <Moriah> If he were driven by power only, I still say he would have spied on his family in order to help the ministry [13:51] <Sofie> i dont think its Fudge's fault, JR [13:51] <JohnRobert> lol [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Moriah [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> he still has the basic goodness inside of him [13:52] *** beadgirl has quit [Bye] [13:52] <Siobhan4hp> Ginny manages to be possessed fo a whole year by Voldemor and move on, If that' not courage what is, she also helped in the batte at the end of OOTP and HBP [13:52] <Poet> Percy patrols the halls in Book 2 with a calculating air [13:52] <JohnRobert> Will Percy get married? [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> that doesn't relate to book 2 [13:52] <Sofie> i hope not...poor girl [13:52] <Jrg1990> Nah its not fudges fault percy is this way. He was powerhungry and conceited from day one, thats just progressed as the story has continues [13:52] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> To Penny Clearwater, probably [13:52] <Jrg1990> continued* [13:52] <JohnRobert> lol [13:52] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think they're still an 'item' [13:52] <Hedwigger7> Does anyone wonder why percy is ike he is? I mean why he has this need to be recognized and succeed in public? [13:52] <Brin> We don't know he didn't spy on his family. I have wondered if maybe he got the job with the ministry for that reason. Maybe he was writing to more than his girlfriend. The ministry couldn't get info from DD and Ron was telling stories all summer. Percy could have used the info. [13:53] <JohnRobert> What house what penny clearwater in? [13:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Ravenclaw [13:53] <Jrg1990> yeah [13:53] <JohnRobert> oh [13:53] *** daretodream has joined #lounge [13:53] <JohnRobert> ya [13:53] <Aislinn> I think that raises an interesting question, hedwigger [13:53] <michelle_2007> i agree brin [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I would say for a lot of the same reasons Ron does Hed [13:53] <Poet> Well Percy "the git" won't let Ron use his owl to try and contact Harry - even though Errol is quite old [13:53] *** daretodream has quit [Bye] [13:53] <Hedwigger7> He's not the oldest, right? A middle-child syndrom maybe? [13:53] <Moriah> I think Percy would have pretended to be back "in" with his family if he really wanted to help, Brin [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly what I was thinking [13:53] *** Jrg1990 has quit [Bye] [13:53] <Moriah> The ministry, I mean [13:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Perhaps Hedwigger [13:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> you might have a good point [13:54] <Aislinn> Does the birth order of each Weasley influence the traits we see them exhibit? [13:54] *** mprater306 has joined #lounge [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so Ais [13:54] <Moriah> I think so too, Hedwigger [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> especially with Percy, Ron, and Ginny [13:54] <magicmeg8> I think it has some minor influence [13:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hmm Aislinn - I think they're all over the map [13:54] <lolabelle> percy as jan brady. now there's food for thought. [13:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Seems Charlie and Bill were moderately well behaved [13:54] <Hedwigger7> Well, I'm not sure, Ginny is the baby right? (me too) -- she doesn't seem particularly spoiled or anything, esp. as the only girll. [13:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> as is Percy [13:54] <JohnRobert> Who is smarter? Ron or The Twins? [13:54] <andythehouseelf> Yeah Aislinn. I mean look at Ron trying to keep up with all his older brothers. [13:54] <Brin> I think birth order is important in the weasley family. Ron sort has that forgotten child syndrome going for him. [13:55] <harryfreak359> ginny is a stronger person because she had so many brothers [13:55] <michelle_2007> the twins are smarter [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> In addition to being the baby, Ginny is also the only girl [13:55] <JohnRobert> i think so 2 [13:55] <Brin> Twins and Bill I think are the smartest [13:55] <VASH_Bloodthirst> back [13:55] <mprater306> I agree the twins are smarter [13:55] <Siobhan4hp> Ro is smarter he got better OWLS, but the twins are more creative. [13:55] <Aislinn> I think so too, harryfreak [13:55] <harryfreak359> is she was the oldest she would probably not be that way [13:55] <JohnRobert> is there a secret still upon Ginny? [13:55] <Sofie> gotta quit [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> bye sofie [13:55] <Sofie> bye all [13:55] <Brin> Ron got good owls with Harry and Hermione's study help [13:55] <JohnRobert> bye [13:55] <Siobhan4hp> bye [13:55] <Poet> Percy reminds me of some of my younger siblings who think my parents or us older kids could have made choices differently and gotten ahead faster in life. But they find out that things aren't as easy as they seem. Percy has seen that in book 4 and 5 now - not always easy to be successful and not trip up - even if you do try and be ambitious [13:55] <harryfreak359> bye [13:55] <lolabelle> ginny being the only girl changes her place in the birth order scenario [13:56] *** Sofie has quit [Bye] [13:56] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Interesting, Poet [13:56] <Hedwigger7> But as the only girl and the baby, Ginny is very spirited and not at all caudled (sp?) -- and yea, all the brothers help... [13:56] *** HeleneB has joined #lounge [13:56] <JohnRobert> your right poet [13:56] <JohnRobert> ur right poet [13:56] <harryfreak359> yeah, poet [13:56] <harryfreak359> yes hedwigger [13:56] <HeleneB> Okay, I just came in. What's Poet right about? lol [13:56] <Brin> I think Ginny is treated different. When she gets nosy with Percy he doesn't go after her like he does his brothers. [13:57] <LJ> Hi HeleneB [13:57] <HeleneB> Hey! [13:57] <harryfreak359> well she is the only girl [13:57] <Aislinn> we're talking sibling order and its effects on the weasleys helene [13:57] <Hedwigger7> But why does Percy find dault in his family? WHy is he so ambitious? Never celar on that... unless he's seeking attention he felt he never received at home. [13:57] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [13:57] <harryfreak359> some people are just born that way [13:57] <HeleneB> That's not that unusual for brothers to be more protective of sisters. [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Hed, it is becuse the Weasley's were out of favor with the MoM [13:57] <Aislinn> Percy seems quite protective of ginny, brin [13:57] <Priscilla> i think he got attention at hm [13:57] <VASH_Bloodthirst> wat we talking about? [13:57] <Brin> I think Percy hates their poverty and feels his dad isn't doing enough to get them a better life. [13:58] <Priscilla> yes agreed Brin [13:58] <JohnRobert> yes [13:58] <Hedwigger7> Sooner, wouldn't that naturally make one cling to one's own family in defense of them? [13:58] <HeleneB> I think Percy is very status conscious, and he is family is not. [13:58] <JohnRobert> good therioe [13:58] <Moriah> Molly always talks to the twins about how Percy never was a problem. Percy learned that was how he got attention from his trouble making brothers who were only a year younger [13:58] <HeleneB> *his [13:58] <harryfreak359> the birth order of the weasleys and its effects on them, VASH [13:58] <michelle_2007> i thinks percy is just trying to get power and a better life for himself [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, Percy is young and ambitious [13:58] <HeleneB> Well Percy's certainly making up for it now [13:58] <Aislinn> right moriah [13:58] <Hedwigger7> Intersting Brin, and sad. [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> and foolish...he has to make those mistakes [13:58] <Poet> Helen: (Percy reminds me of some of my younger siblings who think my parents or us older kids could have made choices differently and gotten ahead faster in life. But they find out that things aren't as easy as they seem. Percy has seen that in book 4 and 5 now - not always easy to be successful and not trip up - even if you do try and be ambitious) [13:59] <harryfreak359> yeah [13:59] <Moriah> I think Ginny, although the youngest and the girl, still isn't spoiled because they didn't have enough to spoil anyone in the first place [13:59] <HeleneB> Percy, in his own way, is a glory seeker, though. That makes him view what's important differently than Arthur [13:59] <Brin> But Percy has also learned what to do to help his own cause at the expense of his families feelings [13:59] <Moriah> But like others have said, she still is treated differently [13:59] <harryfreak359> yeah Moriah [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think (okay hope) that JKR is using this as a way to show us Percy coming of age and finally choosing what is right vs what is easy [14:00] <Moriah> I hope so too, Sooner [14:00] <JohnRobert> hey dumbeldore [14:00] <Hedwigger7> I wonder Sooner [14:00] <Aislinn> it will be interesting to see if hecomes around next book [14:00] <HeleneB> Ginny has two things going against here--one is she's the youngest in the family, and they tend to always be treated differently. [14:00] <harryfreak359> the reason i would care is for mrs. weasley [14:00] <JohnRobert> everything relys on the next book [14:00] <HeleneB> The second is she's the only girl in generations [14:00] <Brin> That would be great but she has a habit of also showing us how awful we can all be to each other. Hey don't you think Percy would fit well with the Dursleys [14:00] <Poet> Oh so, Percy feels encouraged to be ambitious and good perhaps because his attempts to counterbalance the twins were looked upon favorably by his mother? [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> It will be interesting to see if she finally breaks free of that control in the next book [14:01] <Aislinn> do you see her being negatively affected by that, Helene? [14:01] <harryfreak359> he probably was trying to be better than bill to [14:01] <HeleneB> Subconscious reinforcement? [14:01] <Moriah> I think so, Poet [14:01] <Siobhan4hp> Giny, was not spoiled, remember in COS she said the reason she turned to Tom, was because he family seemed to ignore her when she joined Hogwarts, which I don't blame her. would it realy take Ron ten minutes to se how is sister is doing. [14:01] <Hedwigger7> I wonder if Molly doesn't make excuses for Percy as she can't understand his actions... [14:01] <HeleneB> I think [14:01] <HeleneB> Ginny's learned to be a fighter because of it [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> one of the funniest lines in book 2..."You should take a page out of Percy's book!"--Molly to the twins [14:01] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Absolutely Hedwigger [14:01] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [14:02] *** Poet has joined #lounge [14:02] <JohnRobert> tes [14:02] <HeleneB> She's learned how to be a sneak from the twins to get what she wants. But she has the decency value that most of her family has. [14:02] <Aislinn> agreed, helene [14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> in retrospect, its a good thing they didn't....lol [14:02] <VASH_Bloodthirst> molly would try to understand percy''s situation.....he's her son [14:02] <JohnRobert> bye everyone [14:02] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:02] <harryfreak359> bye [14:02] <Aislinn> bye [14:02] *** JohnRobert has quit [Bye] [14:02] <michelle_2007> bye [14:02] <HeleneB> Even with the twins' sometimes less than acceptable behavior, they are good people--decent people. [14:02] <Moriah> And understanding someone is the first step in fixing the problem [14:02] <VASH_Bloodthirst> she would try her best anyway [14:03] <harryfreak359> yeah, theya re just trying to make people happy [14:03] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think the twins are more about hijinx than anything sinister [14:03] <HeleneB> I think of when they gave Dudley the ton-tongue toffee and Arthur accused them of muggle baiting--they were outraged. [14:03] *** JohnRobert has joined #lounge [14:03] <VASH_Bloodthirst> the twins are on the sid eof good...they are jus mischievous and trong willed [14:03] <Hedwigger7> Yes Helene. I think parents and kids always have tough times understanding one another at certain periods/ages in their lives... [14:03] <magicmeg8> The Burrow is the first Wizarding home we have seen so far. It truly is a magical home. We have gnomes in the garden, ghouls in the attic and dishes that wash their selves. What do you think about the Weasley home? [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, they didn't do it because he's a muggle. they did it because he's a git [14:03] <VASH_Bloodthirst> stong willed * [14:03] <JohnRobert> Mr. Weasly and Mr. Malfoy must of had a few conficts before book 1 [14:03] <Hedwigger7> Love it! Home sweet home! [14:03] <harryfreak359> yeah it was just a joke and they knew how dudley tortured harry, they wanted to stick up for harry, bc hes like theyre brtoher [14:03] <SoonerGryffindor> That the most magical thing about it is the love inside [14:03] <HeleneB> It's definitely a comfortable place. [14:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I'm with Harry on the Burrow - I think it's brilliant [14:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yea...no1 in my family can figure me out! [14:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol [14:04] <Moriah> That was poetic, Sooner smile [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks smile [14:04] <michelle_2007> weasley home is sweet but i would like to see the malfoys home to see the differents [14:04] <Poet> They Weasleys may be described as poor, but their house is full of the richness of "comfort" [14:04] <Hedwigger7> Yea [14:04] <harryfreak359> yea [14:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Malfoys would likely be goth [14:04] <HeleneB> You can sit back and enjoy yourself without worrying about breaking anything. I've been in homes that were practically museums. Who would want to live tthere? [14:04] <Aislinn> good point poet [14:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> a big gothic castle [14:04] <VASH_Bloodthirst> well...we can allgues wat the malfoys house is like [14:04] <Hedwigger7> LOL Ginny [14:04] <Moriah> Agreed, Helene [14:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol [14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Helene [14:05] <magicmeg8> Let's stick to the Weasleys, guys smile. What do you love most about it? [14:05] <Siobhan4hp> Shoving Montague into a vaninshing cabinet in OOTP was wrong though, just for taking points, he could& --------------------  To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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[14:06] <Hedwigger7> Yes, Ais, I loved the cook books and the whole magic activity in the kitchen! Really fun!
[14:06] <JohnRobert> yes [14:06] <Aislinn> me too, sooner [14:06] <JohnRobert> magic to none magic [14:06] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [14:06] <JohnRobert> ones friendly ones lonley [14:06] <Siobhan4hp> VASH_Bloodthirst: Remember what DD said 'It is our choices who make us who we truelyare', Draco chose to be a supid cowardly git. [14:06] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> why are we talking about Draco? [14:06] <Aislinn> let's stick to the weasleys, siobhan [14:06] <harryfreak359> no idea [14:06] <Poet> Mrs Weasley certain knows her stuff. Just look at all of those books she consults [14:06] <HeleneB> We can look at their role models, but at some point they have to choose what they will be. [14:07] <Siobhan4hp> I'm not the one who bought up the subject. [14:07] <HeleneB> Look at Harry's role models for his first 10 years? [14:07] <JohnRobert> and in book 2 he said it is our choices that count far more then our abilities [14:07] <harryfreak359> yeah i love that qutoe [14:07] <Poet> Even with magic at hand, Mrs Weasley still works hard. [14:07] <JohnRobert> very good [14:07] *** Punky has joined #lounge [14:07] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yes sio..but draco cant help it u know...some choices are very hard otmake...he's scared dead o f lucious [14:07] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Correct Poet [14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> about the Burrow-- love the clocks, love the goul, I even love the gnomes [14:07] <Hedwigger7> Well, magic must hlp but she still has seven children and a husband! [14:07] <JohnRobert> yes she does and i think it is correct her sons help her [14:07] <HeleneB> Very hard [14:07] <harryfreak359> why are we still talking about draco [14:08] <JohnRobert> maybe she just had kids so they would help her... [14:08] <HeleneB> I was talkinga bout Molly [14:08] <Siobhan4hp> No, that's just your asumption there's no prof he's scared of Lucius. [14:08] <Poet> As opposed to the Malfoys who let a houseelf do the work for them - and don't appreciate him [14:08] <VASH_Bloodthirst> cus w e love him [14:08] <magicmeg8> I think my favorite part of the Weasley home is the warmth it gives off. [14:08] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:08] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes S/G - the Burrow is akin to Santa's workshop it seems; full of fun things [14:08] <Hedwigger7> That's interesting thought -- would the Wesleys have a house elf if they could afford it? [14:08] <JohnRobert> Mr. malfoy and Mr. Weasly have had a conflict before book 1. What? [14:08] <Poet> Despite having driven all night the boys still give in and degnome the garden for their mother [14:08] <magicmeg8> Good anaolgy, Ginhy! [14:08] <VASH_Bloodthirst> have u seen lucius? imaginebeing raised by lucius! its a fair assumption [14:08] <HeleneB> And abused him. I wonder how Dobby would have been treated if he'd belonged to the Weasleys. [14:08] <magicmeg8> *ginny [14:08] <magicmeg8> apparently I can't spell [14:09] <JohnRobert>  [14:09] <HeleneB> I love that comparison! [14:09] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol I didn't notice meg8 [14:09] <harryfreak359> very well prob [14:09] <JohnRobert> [14:09] <VASH_Bloodthirst> or if he had belonged to hermione [14:09] <Moriah> I think the Weasleys would treat him well. Molly and Arthur would insist on it [14:09] <michelle_2007> i think they would cause didn't ron say mrs. w said she would like on to harry [14:09] <harryfreak359> he wouod be paid if he belonged to hermione [14:09] <Hedwigger7> where michelle? [14:09] <Poet> Dobby adores Harry so I'd think he'd adore the Weasleys too [14:09] <Siobhan4hp> From what we saw in COS, Draco was a spoilt brat, and Lucius bought him whatever he wanted to, remember he boug the whole slyth quiditch team brooms, just so drac could join the team. [14:09] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hermione wu\ould prob set him free and adopt dobby as he brother or somethiing, if dobby was herst [14:09] <JohnRobert> yes they are the same in many ways [14:10] <Hedwigger7> Are house elves just owned by la-di-da wizards? Or can anyone have them? [14:10] *** mprater306 left #lounge [] [14:10] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - agree Poet - Dobby seems to be drawn to 'decent' folk [14:10] <michelle_2007> where ron said all they had was a ghoul i think [14:10] <Priscilla> only the rich right [14:10] <Brin> Can you imagine if Harry had given Kereacher to the Weasleys. It would probably kill Kreacher to work for them. HE HE [14:10] <Aislinn> right michelle [14:10] <HeleneB> lol [14:10] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:10] <Poet> I wouldn't mind a chat some other time about houseelfs [14:10] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol Brin - true enough [14:10] <lolabelle> working for blood traitors. his head would explode. [14:10] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> That's a great idea Poet [14:10] <harryfreak359> i think so [14:11] <VASH_Bloodthirst> i wonder wat hous i would reall ybe in [14:11] <HeleneB> In spite of Percy's horrible attitude right now, he loves his family. [14:11] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> We'd need to study our folklore a bit first methinks [14:11] <Hedwigger7> I just wondered if the Wesleys would have scrupples about elves or not... [14:11] <Poet> The Weasleys have a ghoul. Reminds me a little of Hogwarts having Peeves [14:11] <Hedwigger7> WeAsleys... [14:11] <JohnRobert> yes [14:11] <harryfreak359> Vash, there are test [14:11] <HeleneB> Do you have any choice about having a ghoul? Or is it something that you inherit? [14:11] <Moriah> I think so, Hedwigger... they are fair with everyone else [14:11] <VASH_Bloodthirst> all the test i've taken have put me ingryffindo ror slytherin...a few times ravenclaw [14:11] <Brin> I wonder how the ghoul ended up in their house. [14:11] <HeleneB> Like a house elf [14:11] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - 12 grimmauld also has a ghoul - I don't know much about ghouls in fantasy series [14:11] <Aislinn> Ron seemed to feel it would be fine to have one, hed [14:11] <JohnRobert> i think you enherrit it [14:11] <harryfreak359> it your choices remember, Vash [14:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the goul came with the hous [14:11] *** Hedwigger7 has quit [Bye] [14:12] <JohnRobert> yes [14:12] <Aislinn> I'm sure they would treat the elf much more nicely than we have seen them treated [14:12] <LJ> The Weasleys take Harry in and treat him as one of their own. What do you think of the differences between the Dursleys and the Weasleys as families, and how they live in their homes? [14:12] *** Hedwigger7 has joined #lounge [14:12] <HeleneB> I guess you could offer to free the ghoul, but would he take you up on it? [14:12] <JohnRobert> I think a big point of the Harry Potter series is that it's our choices that matter and not our abilities [14:12] *** Brin has quit [Bye] [14:12] <Poet> A good point Ginny - magical places seem to attract magical creatures [14:12] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LJ - great topic [14:12] <magicmeg8> I love that the Weasley family is such a contrast from the Dursleys [14:12] <magicmeg8> They're like the family that Harry never had. [14:12] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think at the Dursleys we see physical order [14:12] <harryfreak359> yeah i agree [14:12] <SoonerGryffindor> LJ, there is a complete world of difference [14:12] <JohnRobert> Well in muggle mountains we see the Giants [14:13] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> but absolute chaos for Harry psychologically [14:13] <harryfreak359> yes ginny [14:13] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [14:13] <HeleneB> That's one of the reasons I like the G/H pairing--she beings so much to that relationship besides her own awesome self. [14:13] <VASH_Bloodthirst> harryfreak: those test are stupid...some ppl hardly know themselves and these test ask them questions about themselves....its jus not fair...ppl dont like to admit certain things, but if a real sorting has was used then u cant hide anything and u will be seen for who u are and therefore placed in the accurate and correct house [14:13] *** LJ has joined #lounge [14:13] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> whereas at the Weasleys, we see physical chaos but Harry gets peace of mind [14:13] <magicmeg8> JohnRobert, let's focus on the Weasleys please smile [14:13] <Hedwigger7> Does Molly come across as too motherly for anyone? I always like her alot -- and her "style" of parenting too. She;'s sincere. [14:13] <Poet> The Dursleys' thoughts are always turned outwards - spying on neighbors, competing for the best lawm, peeking out of the windows [14:13] <JohnRobert> k [14:13] <harryfreak359> i agree ginny [14:13] <lolabelle> harry lived at the dursley's for 11 years and only got a cupboard. he walked into the burrow and was already family. [14:13] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> No, Hedwigger, I don't think so [14:13] <Moriah> I read a great point about the tug of war over Harry's leg while breaking out of Privet was like a tug of war between the family that wanted him and the family that wanted to control him [14:13] <Priscilla> theres nothing wrong with a little motherly love=) [14:13] <LJ> thankd Gin-Bot, love this topic (sorry, had to refresh) [14:14] <JohnRobert> right [14:14] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She loves her children and dotes on them to a certain degree, but she's not smothering like Petunia is with Dudley [14:14] <Poet> The Weasleys are too busy caring for and loving their family to worry about what others are doing or think of them [14:14] <HeleneB> I love Molly. I sometimes call myself the Nag Hag, so I relate to her. [14:14] <SoonerGryffindor> that's great Moriah... I like it [14:14] <harryfreak359> i agree again ginny [14:14] *** Hedwigger7 has quit [Bye] [14:14] *** Hedwigger7 has joined #lounge [14:14] <HeleneB> I love that Moriah [14:14] <HeleneB> And the family that wanted him won [14:14] <Moriah> Stole it from Chamber 5 [14:14] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - Molly allows her kids to make mistakes and get into scrapes [14:15] <harryfreak359> and be normal kids [14:15] <JohnRobert> yes [14:15] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She may scream at them for it, but she's not overly protective [14:15] <harryfreak359> shes a mother [14:15] <magicmeg8> I really like that point, Moriah. What are the biggest difference we see between the Dursleys and Weasleys? [14:15] <Poet> The Dursleys seem to be full of fear and govern their actions accordingly [14:15] <SoonerGryffindor> Love [14:15] <VASH_Bloodthirst> wat my family thinks of me is prob who i am since they should know me inside out [14:15] <JohnRobert> that is kind of how jkrowling shows us what a wizarding family is up to [14:15] <Priscilla> Tough love as i would call it=) [14:15] <Hedwigger7> EVen her "screaming" is ok, sometimes they deserve it and its probably the only way to convince F&G she's serious... [14:15] *** KarenK has joined #lounge [14:15] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LOL Priscilla [14:15] <VASH_Bloodthirst> same applies fo rthe weasely's [14:15] <Punky> Tough love, good point [14:15] <JohnRobert> any wf actially [14:15] <HeleneB> The Dursleys are worried about what others will think, and the Weasleys don't [14:15] <JohnRobert> wizarding fammily [14:16] <HeleneB> Well, except Percy [14:16] <HeleneB> Git [14:16] <Moriah> I think that the Weasleys act out of love while the Dursleys act out of a desire to be normal and in control [14:16] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - the Dursleys live a plastic type of existence [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> The Dursleys are so concerning with money, etc... the Weasleys have their priorities right [14:16] <Siobhan4hp> Who could live eith F&G without losing their temper from time to time, seriously [14:16] <JohnRobert> haha [14:16] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:16] <Priscilla> HI KAREN [14:16] <Hedwigger7> Yea, maybe Percy should move in with them.... : ) [14:16] <magicmeg8> Ooh, good point, Ginny [14:16] <VASH_Bloodthirst> y are we restating obvious things? [14:16] <HeleneB> Too right Siobhan [14:16] * Moriah represses urge to define Percy wink [14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Hed [14:16] <KarenK> Hi all [14:16] <harryfreak359> lol hedwigger [14:16] <Moriah> *defind [14:16] <magicmeg8> Hi Karen smile [14:16] <Poet> The Weasleys are comfortable with themselves and their world so they don't have to hide or overclean or fatten up themselves to put barriers between themselves and the rest of the world [14:16] <Moriah> *defend [14:16] <HeleneB> I love Fred and George but they would make me nuts as a mother! [14:16] <JohnRobert> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/c...c/emot/wink.gif [14:16] <michelle_2007> hey karen [14:16] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hi Karen! [14:16] <JohnRobert> oops [14:17] <magicmeg8> VASH, we are discussing, restating is quite alright. [14:17] <Poet> Feel free to go deeper VASH [14:17] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [14:17] <Hedwigger7> The Dursleys are about control and repression and denial while the Weasleys let it all "hang out" -- conservative vs. hippy... [14:18] <VASH_Bloodthirst> hi karen [14:18] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Perfectly described Hed [14:18] <harryfreak359> yeah hedwigger [14:18] *** Poet has joined #lounge [14:18] <Moriah> Yeah, I agree Hedwigger [14:18] <magicmeg8> Wow, great point Hed. [14:18] <KarenK> I don't think the Weasleys let IT ALL hang out [14:18] <DorisTLC> Molly as a hippie - I love that descrption! Good pont - they are oppositites! [14:18] <Poet> It's the Dursleys against the world. Their son is even a boxer and they live behind a Privett [14:19] <harryfreak359> the weasleys are definitely more of a family with family values [14:19] <magicmeg8> Ahaha Doris. [14:19] <VASH_Bloodthirst> yes, but its soooo obvious.....we all know that...its not really discussing [14:19] <magicmeg8> I agree, Harry. [14:19] <Hedwigger7> No not all, but they are relaxed and ok about dealing with things. The Dursleys aren't. I wonder what music each house listens to?? [14:19] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - Molly is bohemian mamma [14:19] <magicmeg8> They aren't afraid to make mistakes -- the weasleys, that is. [14:19] <Priscilla> hahaG [14:19] <JohnRobert> yesyes [14:19] <VASH_Bloodthirst> duh [14:19] <Punky> the weasleys are good example of rolling w/ the punches and still being happy [14:19] <Poet> Mr. Weasley spends his time making connections with the non-magical world and protecting them. The Dursleys are all about keeping those worlds apart [14:19] <Aislinn> celestina warbler, or whatever her name waas in the Weasley house hed [14:19] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She loves her kids, but knows she cannot control their every move, because they are free beings [14:20] <Priscilla> good thought Punky [14:20] <harryfreak359> the dursleys are afraid to make mistakes, and are way too proper, like too fake [14:20] <JohnRobert> good point [14:20] <Moriah> Gotta go. It's been fun. Have a good one! [14:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> correct Harry [14:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> bye M! [14:20] <HeleneB> With that many kids you better learn to roll with the punches . . . [14:20] <michelle_2007> bye moriah [14:20] *** Moriah has quit [Bye] [14:20] <harryfreak359> who wants to live with abunch of fakes [14:20] <JohnRobert> aunt patunia is more of a mystrious character [14:20] <HeleneB> I've got six kids, so I should know! [14:20] <VASH_Bloodthirst> ok...i'm outta her....this is becoming a bit lame......alter all...fee free to hate/fear me...fear teh nite...fear bloodthirst...lol..i know...i'm weird! luff y a..later [14:20] <michelle_2007> yea it thin patunia is hideing something [14:21] <Poet> The horse versus the tiger smile [14:21] <harryfreak359> yeah petunia may have something hidden beneath the surface, i think she cares more for harry than she lets on [14:21] <JohnRobert> [14:21] <JohnRobert> hehehe [14:21] <michelle_2007> agree h.f. [14:21] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> So when does it become evident that Petunia knows more than she's letting on? [14:21] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Book 2? [14:21] <KarenK> Book 5 [14:21] <harryfreak359> I'd say book 5 [14:21] <HeleneB> PoA? [14:22] <harryfreak359> with the dementors [14:22] <HeleneB> No that's OotP [14:22] <Poet> Weasleys....ding ding [14:22] <harryfreak359> she obviously knows something about the magical world [14:22] <HeleneB> ***blushes*** [14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Meanwhile, back at the burrow.... [14:22] *** Brin has joined #lounge [14:22] <harryfreak359> yeah, weasleys, sorry [14:22] *** Prongsrocks has joined #lounge [14:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol - I was trying to gently pull everyone back with my Book 2 ref [14:23] *** KarenK has quit [Bye] [14:23] <harryfreak359> lol ginny [14:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> ...and failed miserably sad [14:23] *** Prongsrocks has quit [Bye] [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [14:23] <Aislinn> thanks ginny for trying biggrin [14:23] <harryfreak359> sorry ginny [14:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol [14:23] <magicmeg8> Obviously the Burrow is a great place. Let's talk more about the people that live there. Who's your favorite Weasley and why? [14:23] <lolabelle> valiant attempt. [14:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> mayhap I won't be so subtle next time [14:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> ;) [14:23] <Poet> I do like the contrasts in descriptions between Petunia and Mrs. Weasley smile [14:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes, me too Poet [14:23] <Hedwigger7> Yea, thanks Ginny. And Ais, had forgotten about Celestina! Not exactly hippie tunes, rather old fashioned and romantic! [14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Ginny. Because I feel an affinity for her [14:23] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [14:23] <lolabelle> i pick a new favorite each time i turn the page. [14:23] <JohnRobert> yes she probaly LOVES harry- and cant get enough out of him [14:23] <Brin> My favorite Weasley is Arthur. He just so sweet natured and his interest in muggles is really funny [14:24] <DorisTLC> I love ginny - Book two is when we really get to see her, but she's a great character [14:24] <JohnRobert> ginny is great [14:24] <JohnRobert> a very good friend [14:24] <Poet> Hard to pick a favorite in the Weasleys. They are my some of my favorite of the entire series [14:24] <michelle_2007> my fav is arthyr too [14:24] <Hedwigger7> I like Molly a lot and F&G, gotta love 'em; Arthur too... [14:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She is, not that I'm biased or anything [14:24] <harryfreak359> yeah john [14:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> smile [14:24] <magicmeg8> Why do you like ginny, John? [14:24] <JohnRobert> becuase [14:24] <Pleshette> Hi everyone! [14:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> *notes screen name* [14:24] <HeleneB> I've really liked how she's come out more and more with each book. And I loved it when Harry finally got it about her. It had been obvious to me forever. [14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Pleshette [14:24] <Priscilla> HAhaG [14:24] <michelle_2007> hey [14:24] <Poet> I love Arthur for his strength of character and his easy-going nature [14:24] <JohnRobert> shes brave and always ready for watvr is out there [14:25] *** andythehouseelf has quit [Bye] [14:25] <Siobhan4hp> Ginny is very cool I agree, hse's just feisty and funy. [14:25] <harryfreak359> yeah i agree john [14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> another reason I like Ginny so much is because she's a lot like F&G [14:25] <harryfreak359> me too [14:25] <JohnRobert> shes not that much of a girly girly but a fighter and i think shes recovering from the CoS diary [14:25] *** andythehouseelf has joined #lounge [14:25] <HeleneB> I like the way JK refers to her as perfect for Harry--someone who is not intimidated whay his baggage [14:25] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes, I think the book Ginny (not the one with the screen name smile) has a lot of character [14:25] <Hedwigger7> Really Sooner? Humour or spirit? Or both? [14:25] <Brin> I wonder what Arthur was like in school. Was he a good or bad student. What did he hope to become. [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> both [14:26] <magicmeg8> I like Arthur Weasley the best. He's so funny and always so curious. [14:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Arthur is awesome [14:26] <Hedwigger7> Yes meg. Imagine Molly in school! [14:26] <JohnRobert> i like how he is always looking at muggle things [14:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> He's a loving husband, doting father.... [14:26] <Poet> I love Molly for her fighting spirit (warm and protect and strict all at the same time) - her fierceness reminds me of Ginny [14:26] <harryfreak359> what exactly is the fucntion of a rubber duck, love that part [14:26] <JohnRobert> OMG IS THAT A LIGHT BULB? [14:26] <Siobhan4hp> I think Arthur was like Ron, Inteligent but laid back. [14:26] <HeleneB> Like Harry, Ginny's been through some tough times and is stronger for it. I think she'll be helping Harry in Book 7 whether he wants her to (or knows she is) or not. [14:26] <magicmeg8> I agree, John smile [14:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> he shows that you don't need money to be happy [14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I gree Helene [14:26] <Brin> I bet Arthur would love to vacation in a muggles house. [14:26] <Aislinn> wrong book, but I loved when molly mentioned that she and arthur got caught out late together [14:26] <Hedwigger7> Yea, Arthur's enthusiasm is contagious -- and hilarious [14:26] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:26] <JohnRobert> lol [14:26] <magicmeg8> And I think Arthur gives us a chance to see our world from a different angle. [14:27] <HeleneB>  [14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> lol...I was just thinking of that Ais [14:27] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Arthur has this child-like innocence that endears him to people [14:27] <lolabelle> i love that his greatest ambition is to understand how planes stay up. [14:27] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:27] <HeleneB> I loved his response when he found out the boys had flown his car! [14:27] <Hedwigger7> lol Lola [14:27] <harryfreak359> me too [14:27] <Aislinn> that's a good point meg [14:27] <HeleneB> He's such a kid still at heart [14:27] <Brin> I was just thinking that Ginny from a bottle [14:27] <Hedwigger7> Not how brooms stay up, but planes... [14:27] <Aislinn> me too helene [14:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yep - but he also shows his bravery, in CoS it was the scene with Lucious [14:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> *Lucius [14:28] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:28] <magicmeg8> That's true, Ginny [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> loved the Arthur-Lucuis brawl [14:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> nothing freudian there blushing [14:28] <HeleneB> Get 'em dad! [14:28] <magicmeg8> Good point -- he 'll do a lot to defend his family. [14:28] <Brin> I think maybe he is what inspires the twins. Don't you think maybe Arthur is secretly working on ideas with the tiwns. [14:28] <Aislinn> and he has wisdom, as we saw in his comment to ginny about not trusting an object if you can't see where it keeps its brains [14:28] <HeleneB> And I loved that Arthur might have given Lucius a black eye. [14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> [14:28] <magicmeg8> That's a good suggestion, Brin. I think he does encourage them. [14:28] <harryfreak359> yeah lol [14:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LOL Helene [14:28] *** Lady_Padfoot has joined #lounge [14:29] <magicmeg8> True, Ais. [14:29] <Hedwigger7> Well Brin, he is their dad! eems possible, like with the car... [14:29] <Hedwigger7> S [14:29] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [14:29] <HeleneB> What an idea, Brin! I like it! [14:29] <magicmeg8> I like Arthur because he sort of makes you feel like anything is possible -- he's always positive. [14:29] <lolabelle> and aurther is a tinkerer. he did rig the car. just think what tips and tricks the twins could have picked up in their childhood that become profitable now. [14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I definitely think the twins got their ingenuity from their dad [14:29] <HeleneB> I like the revelation in HBP when Arthur reminded Harry that he was talking about the man who had raised the twins. [14:29] <Brin> There is a brewing feud with Lucius and Arthur. I think it is meant to parallel the others (ie James/Snape, Draco/Harry/Ron) [14:29] <Poet> This is a book 6 thing, but I had the idea that the twins included muggle tricks section in their shop as a tribute to their dad [14:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> So what important things do we learn about the Weasleys, as a family, and as individuals, from Book 2, aside from what we've already discussed? [14:30] <Aislinn> that's what I like about all the Weasleys - they are a source of hope for normal wizarding life [14:30] <harryfreak359> do you guys remeber in OotP [14:30] <Brin> I think we learn from the Weasleys how to live together when your all very different. [14:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> here here Brin [14:30] <harryfreak359> when harry saw the dream and he had to talk to sirius [14:30] <HeleneB> And the're also a reference to muggle skills used by the twins in CoS, when they have to pick the lock so Harry can get his stuff. [14:30] <Hedwigger7> Acceptance of outsiders... [14:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and that you can also love unconditionally [14:31] <magicmeg8> Good point, Brin. they're very diverse, yet Molly and Arthur keep everyone respectful of each other. [14:31] <lolabelle> and the importance of standing up for each other despite differences. [14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> gotta run guys...keep up the good work [14:31] <Lady_Padfoot> i agree with brin, i think they're a great role model for all families to follow no matter how different and unique each individual family member is [14:31] <Brin> Humor is another thing we learn. [14:31] <Hedwigger7> Bye Sooner [14:31] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [14:31] <harryfreak359> fred and george ask ron if hes going to help harry, he says of course and F/G respond with spoken like a true friend and weasley [14:31] <Lady_Padfoot> i think jo shows them as a family that kind of financially struggles and yet most of them have a sense of humor. [14:31] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> So does anyone see the Weasley clan and Dumbledore having similar ... outlooks? [14:31] <Hedwigger7> Yes Lady Pad, striking lack of humor at Privet Dr. [14:32] *** VASH_Bloodthirst has joined #lounge [14:32] <Brin> They also seem very generous. They have so little but take in Harry and Hermione with no problem. [14:32] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes, Brin - and it goes to show - you can still give and have enough for yourself [14:32] <harryfreak359> they are those kind selfless people [14:32] <Hedwigger7> Like how Ginny? [14:32] <Brin> And F and G give Harry their treasured map in Book 3. That is very generous. [14:32] <Lady_Padfoot> yeah they definately have big hearts. and even though the dursleys actually have money they are so stringy with harry [14:32] <Punky> I was thinking that Ginny, we learn similar things from them, I see how they get along so well [14:32] <Lady_Padfoot> stingy* [14:32] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oooh...was i misseD? [14:32] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lol [14:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Well, I think they are role models for what Dumbledore tries to impress upon Harry [14:33] <JohnRobert> bye everyone [14:33] <HeleneB> F & G were always very good at looking after Harry too. [14:33] <harryfreak359> of course, Vsh. lol [14:33] <magicmeg8> Bye John smile [14:33] <michelle_2007> bye [14:33] <Brin> He is their adopted little brother. [14:33] *** JohnRobert has quit [Bye] [14:33] <harryfreak359> bye [14:33] <HeleneB> Yelling at Wood when Harry might get killed [14:33] <Siobhan4hp> And they didn't even know that Harry was related to prongs, I'd love to know how F&G reacted when they fould out who the marauders were. [14:33] <HeleneB> Making fun of the Heir of Slytherin nonsense [14:33] <VASH_Bloodthirst> lo...not very good at sarcasm there, harry freak...bu thanks nyway [14:33] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:33] <Lady_Padfoot> But they also took Hermione's side when malfoy called her a mudblood [14:33] <Aislinn> that was my favorite moment from the book, helene [14:33] <HeleneB> Yet the twins were never smothering [14:33] <michelle_2007> well i'm going to go bye everyone [14:33] <Lady_Padfoot> they were ready to beat up flint and malfoy in a second! [14:34] <Hedwigger7> bye [14:34] <Siobhan4hp> bye [14:34] <harryfreak359> bye [14:34] <HeleneB> I can't think how many times when reading the books that I say, "I just love Fred and George!" [14:34] *** michelle_2007 has quit [Bye] [14:34] <harryfreak359> me to helene [14:34] <Lady_Padfoot> o yeah helene, i absolutely agree [14:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Agree Helene [14:34] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:34] <Lady_Padfoot> i dont think anyone could possibly not like them [14:34] <Hedwigger7> ALthough in a later book my favorite moment was when they dumped on Umbridge and left the school -- I actually cheered out loud. [14:34] <VASH_Bloodthirst> um...wat r we talking about? [14:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> They seem to be able to take the most terrible situation and make light of it [14:34] <Brin> Me too. I think it hard not to like the twins. I think they are who everyone would like to be. [14:35] <Lady_Padfoot> lol that was an amazing scene [14:35] <HeleneB> That scene had better be in the OotP movie! [14:35] <Hedwigger7> Same topic, Weasleys... [14:35] <harryfreak359> fred and george VASH [14:35] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> as they do with the 'Make way - evil wizard coming through' [14:35] <Lady_Padfoot> yeah but NO PEEVES is gonna be in that scene sad [14:35] <Lady_Padfoot> and i think that was the best part [the salute] [14:35] <VASH_Bloodthirst> any particular thing about de weaselys? [14:35] <Hedwigger7> Really! [14:35] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Do you think the twins are used by JK to break the intensity throughout the books? [14:35] <HeleneB> So, they tell the students to give her hell instead [14:35] <VASH_Bloodthirst> oh fred and george...thanks [14:35] <Lady_Padfoot> maybe so lol [14:35] <harryfreak359> yeah, ginny [14:35] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> to give her readers a few light spots? [14:35] <Lady_Padfoot> but it wont be the same! [14:36] <Brin> Yes, I think they are our comedy relief. Which we need in this story. [14:36] <Hedwigger7> Yes Ginny and agree Lady Pad [14:36] <VASH_Bloodthirst> of course, fred ang george are needed [14:36] <harryfreak359> no prob, vash [14:36] <Poet> I love how despite Molly's strictness we still love and respect her. This it me is a good example of how children need a parent - not necessarily another friend [14:36] <VASH_Bloodthirst> smile [14:36] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:36] <Lady_Padfoot> they aer definately the comedic relief in the books, hagrid is too sometimes [14:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes, agreed, Poet [14:36] <Aislinn> that's a really good point poet [14:36] <Siobhan4hp> I went to Collectormaia in April and the phelps twins were there, and when they were doing the conference they made it sould like they were doing that scene Jaes (Ithink!) said "Wel wecan't say, but if they did, it would be very cool" and the look on his face made it sound like it was going to included. [14:36] *** LJ has joined #lounge [14:37] <HeleneB> Absolutely. Friends are a dime a dozen. When my kids reach a point where they wanted to call me by my first name, I reminded them that only sixe people in the world call me mother. [14:37] <Lady_Padfoot> Poet has a really good point [14:37] <harryfreak359> yeah helene [14:37] <magicmeg8> What do you see as the twins’ biggest role in CoS? [14:37] <Lady_Padfoot> cuz most parents wont be your "friend" but even then that doesnt mean that its harder to respect them or love them [14:37] <harryfreak359> breaking the ice [14:37] <Lady_Padfoot> hmm i think quidditch matches [14:37] <Brin> The twins are the rescuers [14:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> So does anyone see Molly as--for lack of a better term--wearing the pants in the family, or she has equal but different authority to arthur? [14:37] <Hedwigger7> Ah meg, I haven't reread it in years, so I don't remember their roles yet :9 [14:37] <harryfreak359> making harry feel better, and that he still has friends [14:38] <Hedwigger7> OOps that was sad [14:38] <andythehouseelf> how so brin? [14:38] <Brin> Yes, Molly is controll of the home. [14:38] <Lady_Padfoot> i think molly is rigid, does anyone think thats where percy gets it from? [14:38] <Lady_Padfoot> molly is totally against breaking rules, and remember she loved percy [head boy, OWLS, blah blah blah] [14:38] <HeleneB> I don't think Molly wears the pants in the family. I get the feel that they defer to each other on different issues. [14:38] <Aislinn> I see the twins' role in CoS as being faithful friends in the face of all the accusing of Harry [14:38] <Hedwigger7> I think Molly and Arthur have different strengths as parents, not just an issue of "wearing the pants" or being rigid. [14:39] <lolabelle> percy's version of doing the right thing is more of a "by the book" type, while molly's trying to teach the "from the heart" variety. [14:39] <magicmeg8> Definitely Ais. [14:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think (just my opinion) - Molly and Arthur have equal standing with respect to authority, but if push came to pull, Molly would take the lead [14:39] <HeleneB> Yes, Hed. [14:39] <Lady_Padfoot> oo i like that lolabelle [14:39] <Aislinn> agree lolabelle [14:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> We've seen it in later books with Percy [14:39] <Aislinn> she is trying to teach her kids what is right [14:39] <Brin> Yet Molly breaks the rules all the time. I think the twins are the rescuers because they save Harry in the beginning but they always seem to save us when things get really serious. [14:39] <Lady_Padfoot> very true [14:39] <HeleneB> Percy lives by the letter of the law while his parents live by the spirit of the law. [14:39] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Well put, Helene [14:39] <Lady_Padfoot> nice helene [14:39] <Aislinn> that's a good way of putting it helene [14:40] <Hedwigger7> excellent Helene! [14:40] <Poet> I think you're right Lady_Padfoot - Percy trying to emmulate his mom a bit, but that doesn't work with peers [14:40] *** crits has joined #lounge [14:40] <lolabelle> it is so much easier to do the right thing when society tells you what it is. deciding for yourself is harder. right back to the "what is right vs. what is easy" thing. [14:40] <Hedwigger7> yep [14:40] <crits> hi all [14:40] <Aislinn> and he doesn't get the heart part of it, poet [14:40] <Brin> Molly has a mischievious streak in her but as a mom she has to put a different aspect of herself out there. She has a family to protect, [14:40] <harryfreak359> yeah exactly [14:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Great observation lolabelle! [14:40] <Lady_Padfoot> he doesnt at all, maybe he'll redeem himself in book 7 [14:40] <Aislinn> hi crits [14:40] <lolabelle> thanks. [14:40] <crits> i'm lost [14:41] <Priscilla> humm im to wonder aboutthat HG [14:41] <Lady_Padfoot> he's so unweasley-like though, even molly has a lot of weasley tendencies in her. the caring and stuff. i never saw that from percy [14:41] <Poet> And of course Percy fails to emmulate the loving side of his mother [14:41] <Priscilla> the weasley crits [14:41] <HeleneB> I really hope Percy will have a wake up call but won't have to pay for it with his life. [14:41] <crits> ok [14:41] <Poet> (Helen - that's cool) [14:41] <crits> i think percy should be able to do what he wants [14:41] <Brin> Percy shows a little love towards Ginny but not anyone else. [14:41] <Hedwigger7> Why do people think Percy will die? [14:41] <Lady_Padfoot> im afraid thats "paying with their life" will be a way that many characters might end up redeeming themselves [14:41] <harryfreak359> i kind of hope he leaves the weasley alone--percy i mean [14:42] <Hedwigger7> Ouch Lady Pad! [14:42] <crits> yeah, that's my opinion [14:42] <Lady_Padfoot> percy wasn't SERIOUSLY bad though, if you think about its. hes not evil. [14:42] <Siobhan4hp> Percy will redeem himself and no one is going to convince me otherwise. [14:42] <Brin> Molly even said she worries he or someone else will die before they have made up. [14:42] <crits> but it will never be the same between the, [14:42] <HeleneB> Well, I don't think the Weasleys are coming to come out of this war without losing someone [14:42] <Lady_Padfoot> hedwigger, im afraid lol. i hope it doesnt happen though [14:42] <Priscilla> hes not evil but he wasnt more out of the life hes given [14:42] <Hedwigger7> No, but he's sad... I wonder if he realizes he needs redmption from anything [14:42] <Lady_Padfoot> nooooo, i hope all the weasleys make it! [14:42] <HeleneB> Did Molly only have two brothers? So are all her siblings dead? [14:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I don't think he does, Hed [14:42] <Aislinn> Besides this possible outcome for Percy, what do people think is going to happen to/with the other Weasleys in the final book? [14:42] <Lady_Padfoot> good point hedwigger, hes pretty stuck up. he might not even realize hes doing anything wrong. [14:42] <harryfreak359> yes, but id rather loose percy than some of the other cahracter [14:43] <crits> i think one is denfinatley going, and i think it's percy [14:43] <Brin> I think Percy is still pretty bad. How could anyone choose between their family and ambition. That is really sad. There is something wrong with him. The Weasley's love has not really sunk in with him. [14:43] <HeleneB> All Percy has to do is realize that his family means more to him than his ambitions [14:43] <crits> but it might be charlie [14:43] <Hedwigger7> Many people think one of the twins will bite it which I find horrifying... [14:43] <Lady_Padfoot> i agree with harryfreak, let it be PERCY dead. not the others [14:43] <harryfreak359> thank you [14:43] <Aislinn> I hope he does helene [14:43] <Siobhan4hp> I think Charlie will did [14:43] <Hedwigger7> you go Lady Pad [14:43] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I agree Hed [14:43] <Lady_Padfoot> no, not the twins.. i hope not. [14:43] <Aislinn> me too hedwigger [14:43] <Poet> People think Percy will die because there's a war going on and some people will die. They choose him because they have to choose someone and seems liklier than others [14:43] <Aislinn> I'm terrified of that [14:43] <crits> as much as i want it to be percy, i think it'll be charlie [14:43] <harryfreak359> thats not counting the death eaters and voldemort of course [14:44] <andythehouseelf> I think they will all play a significant role in Book 7. I fear death for one of the twins. Just because it would completely shake the foundations of the world. [14:44] <Brin> I think the twins will surivive. I think Arthur will be killed. He seems to really tie them all together and it would be a huge blow to lose him. [14:44] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I mean I agree that it would be sad--not necessarily that one will snuff it [14:44] <HeleneB> Why Charlies? [14:44] <Priscilla> why charlie [14:44] <lolabelle> i'd love to see charlie bring the dragons into play in the battle. [14:44] <Punky> As Molly being such a mother figure in the book, willing to sacrifice herself, I wonder how possible it will be for her to die? [14:44] <crits> well, [14:44] <Lady_Padfoot> well we dont know charlie that well, it would be equal to cedric dying [14:44] <crits> bill has his scars [14:44] <HeleneB> The thing that worries me is that the DEs & LV seem to like to take out entire families. [14:44] <Aislinn> are people choosing percy because he is the least liked, or the most likely, plot wise? [14:44] <LJ> I'm not sure whether Jo would kill Percy off, it would seem like a punishment for what he has done - I don't think she'd want that [14:44] <magicmeg8> I think all the Weasleys will live, the twins will work tfor the defense dept. of the ministry (besides having their shop), and that's all i can think of for now [14:44] <Hedwigger7> Yea crits, what about Bill? [14:44] <harryfreak359> yeah bill's been through enough [14:44] <Hedwigger7> And Fleur will be expecting a baby... [14:44] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I agree Punky - losing Molly would be a big loss - I don't see it happening [14:44] <crits> so it probly won't be him [14:44] <magicmeg8> i think they've had enough incjuries for now. [14:44] <Lady_Padfoot> poor bill... i love the fact that fleur still accepted him. [14:44] <HeleneB> And what happens if the Weasleys become a target because of Harry? [14:45] <harryfreak359> who said fleur will be expecting a bady? [14:45] <crits> the only people i could see going are charlie and percy [14:45] <harryfreak359> baby* [14:45] <HeleneB> That showed Fleur is more than a pretty face [14:45] <Lady_Padfoot> maybe ron? [14:45] <magicmeg8> I think Percy will mend things [14:45] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes Pad - it certainly built up her character's respect level [14:45] <Aislinn> it will be interesting to see the Bill/Fleur child - wizard,werewolf, veela combo [14:45] <Brin> I think we can pretty much expect the weasleys will be a target [14:45] <Priscilla> bill wil be part werewolf right [14:45] <Hedwigger7> I just said it as a suggestion of things to come: Bill dies and Fleur is expecting...hypothesis [14:45] <crits> wait [14:45] <Lady_Padfoot> exactly, she finally showed her worth to Molly. i loved that scene when they hugged each other. i got all teary lol [14:45] <harryfreak359> oh [14:45] <crits> what if percy commits suicide [14:45] <harryfreak359> yeah me too [14:45] <Priscilla> no no crits [14:45] <andythehouseelf> that wont happen [14:45] <Hedwigger7> LOL Ais! [14:45] <Lady_Padfoot> noo [14:45] <LJ> I think Percy will make up with his family, but he'll always be pompous [14:45] <HeleneB> But is Bill's "challenges" genetic? [14:45] <crits> it might happen [14:45] <Lady_Padfoot> i dont think jo would condone suicide [14:46] <crits> yeah, i guess [14:46] <HeleneB> What about DD? [14:46] <Aislinn> me either lady padfoot [14:46] <harryfreak359> i dont think so either [14:46] <andythehouseelf> that wasnt suicide [14:46] <HeleneB> Suicide by Snape [14:46] <Priscilla> i dont htink bill will die [14:46] <magicmeg8> maybe he'll be humbled in some way, laurie. [14:46] <crits> that could happen [14:46] <Lady_Padfoot> her books are read by so many little kids, she wouldnt want to put the message out there that if your in that kind of situation, suicide is ok [14:46] <Lady_Padfoot> and her critics would have a FIELD DAY if she did lol [14:46] <harryfreak359> lol [14:46] <LJ> Ok guys, we have 15 minutes left. What are your final thoughts on the Weasleys in CoS? [14:46] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Agree Pad [14:46] <andythehouseelf> technically, if u think DD chose to die it was euthanasia [/off topicness[ [14:46] <crits> ummm.... it surprises me about molly and ginny [14:46] <Hedwigger7> Red hair rules [14:47] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Technically andy, you may have a point [14:47] <crits> they don't seem so close [14:47] <magicmeg8> I think they're a great alternative for Harry and they are presented as a model family. [14:47] <Lady_Padfoot> i think ginny gonna have a huge role in book 7 [14:47] <crits> as you would think, mother-daughter [14:47] <HeleneB> I love the Weasleys and I want them all to survive and live happily ever after. My needs are very simple. [14:47] <andythehouseelf> I think they represent the world Harry missed out on and the world he was entering [14:47] <Hedwigger7> LOL Helene [14:47] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> not necessarily euth, but I think he saw he had to remove himself [14:47] <harryfreak359> the weasley are the best freinds anyone can have --excluding percy [14:47] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> somehow [14:47] <Lady_Padfoot> shes the only daughter the family has had in 7 generations [i believe] and shes already proven herself as an equal to harry [14:47] <Priscilla> i think bill will be a half breed and not die [14:47] <lolabelle> the weasley's are harry's teachers. they show him what a real family is and what a wizarding family is. [14:47] <Brin> They are a grounding to reality that Harry needs now and again to remember that fighting Voldemort is worth it. [14:47] <andythehouseelf> and yes Hedwigger red hair rules, (not that im biased in any way shape or form wink ) [14:47] <Aislinn> In CoS, they act as an important window into the wizarding world for Harry, and offer him much needed love [14:48] <crits> well said [14:48] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:48] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes lola - I think you're right [14:48] <Lady_Padfoot> and i think we finally get to see how the "other half" live. i think it was a great way for jo to show us that [14:48] <Poet> I agree Andy - one of the twins dying. There are many references to twins in the books (Janus, the mirror, Voldie on the back of Quirrell, Tom means twin, prophecy making Harry and Voldie out to be twins ina way) One of a pair always seems to get destroyed (the Black family mirros for instance) (The veil of death with the dead on the other side - twin worlds)) [14:48] <HeleneB> I think the Weasley and especially Ginny will give Harry a reason to again be the "man" who lived. [14:48] <Hedwigger7> Ditto... gotta run. Nice chat guys! Bye [14:48] <Lady_Padfoot> and i love that they took him as their own [14:48] <harryfreak359> bye [14:48] <Lady_Padfoot> byee [14:48] <Aislinn> bye! [14:48] <Brin> Bye [14:48] <crits> bye [14:48] <lolabelle> bye [14:49] <HeleneB> Bye [14:49] *** Brin has quit [Bye] [14:49] *** Hedwigger7 has quit [Bye] [14:49] *** HeleneB has quit [Bye] [14:49] <Lady_Padfoot> this was my first chat, i really liked it. i had no idea leaky did these! [14:49] <harryfreak359> mine too [14:49] <lolabelle> same here. what a great intro! [14:49] <crits> my second [14:49] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> My first too, Pad [14:49] <Aislinn> glad you joined us lady! [14:49] <harryfreak359> i didnt kniw till yesterday [14:49] <Aislinn> and everyone else! [14:49] <Lady_Padfoot> thanx so much [14:49] <andythehouseelf> Dont forget the transcript of this will be up on the Bulletin Board soon! [14:49] <Lady_Padfoot> these are every sunday? [14:49] <harryfreak359> yeah thx [14:49] <DorisTLC> There is a schedule on leaky's main page - left side bar labeled chat [14:49] *** half-bloodprince has joined #lounge [14:49] <crits> alrighty [14:50] <half-bloodprince> hi [14:50] <DorisTLC> with info about this chat and the Chamber of Chat as well [14:50] <harryfreak359> hi [14:50] <Lady_Padfoot> oo yay, ill def come check these out more, thanx Doris! [14:50] <harryfreak359> me too [14:50] <crits> bye [14:50] *** crits has quit [Bye] [14:50] <harryfreak359> they are fun [14:50] <lolabelle> bye [14:50] <harryfreak359> bye [14:50] <Lady_Padfoot> only for an hour though? [14:50] <harryfreak359> two [14:50] <half-bloodprince> what's the discussion? [14:50] *** potterfan33 has joined #lounge [14:50] <Lady_Padfoot> ohh ok cool [14:50] <lolabelle> it definately makes re-reading more interesting. [14:50] *** kyrane has joined #lounge [14:50] <LJ> Don't forget that this discussion will continue in the Study Hall of the Chamber of Chat: http://www.chamberofchat.com/ [14:50] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> the Weasleys HB [14:50] <Lady_Padfoot> when is this one ending? [14:50] *** kyrane has quit [Bye] [14:50] <potterfan33> hello its laura [14:50] *** Siobhan4hp has quit [Bye] [14:50] <Aislinn> in 10 minutes [14:51] <Lady_Padfoot> o man sad [14:51] <harryfreak359> in like ten mins [14:51] <Lady_Padfoot> thanx aislinn [14:51] <harryfreak359> yeah [14:51] <Aislinn> goes fast with such great discussing going on! [14:51] <potterfan33> hello its laura from coc [14:51] <Lady_Padfoot> r ne of ya'll gonna be in the chamber of chat thing? [14:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> this has been the fastest 2 hours... [14:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> wow [14:51] <harryfreak359> yeah it does [14:51] <lolabelle> duty calls for me. i have to re-join real life. the husband is getting antsy. [14:52] <Lady_Padfoot> lol cool [14:52] <Lady_Padfoot> whats everyones a/s/l in here? [14:52] <Lady_Padfoot> 19/f/Houston, TX [14:52] <half-bloodprince> 22/f/london [14:52] <lolabelle> 31/f/KY [14:52] <potterfan33> 13/f/uk [14:52] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Have a great day everyone! [14:52] <Priscilla> i dint know what you were saying at first [14:52] <Lady_Padfoot> oo cool, half-blood. i was born in birmingham, england. [14:52] <lolabelle> you too ginny [14:52] <half-bloodprince> cool [14:52] <harryfreak359> bye [14:52] <Punky> haha [14:52] <Poet> Saturday are hot topics from the reading groups [14:52] <potterfan33> bye ginny [14:52] <half-bloodprince> my brother went to uni in birmingham [14:52] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> thanks! bye! [14:53] <Lady_Padfoot> oo awesome! [14:53] <potterfan33> poet get on coc its laura [14:53] <half-bloodprince> aston uni... it's so gorgeous [14:53] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has quit [Bye] [14:53] <magicmeg8> LadyPadfoot, this is focused on the books, please [14:53] <harryfreak359> a/s/l ? [14:53] <Lady_Padfoot> o yah i know what ur talkin bout [14:53] <Lady_Padfoot> o sorry sad [14:53] <half-bloodprince> lol [14:53] <potterfan33> poet get on coc [14:53] <potterfan33> its laura [14:54] <half-bloodprince> sooo............ [14:54] <harryfreak359> Lady Padfoot, whats your fave weasley? [14:54] <potterfan33> Fread [14:54] *** magicmeg8 has quit [Bye] [14:54] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [14:54] <Lady_Padfoot> fred and george for sure [14:54] <harryfreak359> anyone else feel free to answer [14:54] <andythehouseelf> Guys this is your 5 minute warning smile [14:54] <potterfan33> yes same [14:54] <half-bloodprince> fred and george rule! [14:54] *** Poet has joined #lounge [14:54] <Lady_Padfoot> hell yeah =) [14:54] <harryfreak359> min are fred george ginny and ron [14:54] <potterfan33> hell yeah duhhh [14:54] <lolabelle> i do so love george. but i have an affintiy for georges. [14:55] *** DorisTLC has quit [Bye] [14:55] *** magicmeg8 has joined #lounge [14:55] <half-bloodprince> i'm not the biggest ginny fan.... [14:55] <harryfreak359> haven't really decided yet [14:55] <half-bloodprince> fred's better than george though, right? [14:55] <Lady_Padfoot> o man, we're gonna have to go soon.. it was nice talkin to u guys [14:55] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [14:55] *** Priscilla has quit [Bye] [14:55] <Lady_Padfoot> fred talks more lol [14:55] <potterfan33> ye bye laddy paddfoot [14:55] <half-bloodprince> yeah, he's the dominant twin [14:55] <harryfreak359> well i have to yeah [14:55] <potterfan33> nie talking to u [14:55] <lolabelle> i still love the "I'm fred. he's george." line. [14:55] <half-bloodprince> lol [14:55] <harryfreak359> me too [14:55] <Lady_Padfoot> lol [14:56] <magicmeg8> There will be a transcript posted inthe Bulletin Board Forum soon for those of you who are interested in looking at this chat. [14:56] *** Punky left #lounge [] [14:56] <Lady_Padfoot> ok well im out too then [14:56] <half-bloodprince> bye lady [14:56] <Lady_Padfoot> gotta go back to the real world =\ [14:56] <harryfreak359> listen, gotta run, i'll definitely vcom back [14:56] <Lady_Padfoot> bye everyone! =) [14:56] <harryfreak359> bye [14:56] <potterfan33> bye [14:56] *** Lady_Padfoot left #lounge [] [14:56] <potterfan33> imm off bye [14:56] <lolabelle> yes, duty calls. (loudly and can't find the remote apparently) so i'm out too. [14:56] *** potterfan33 left #lounge [] [14:56] <harryfreak359> bye guys [14:57] <lolabelle> bye. this was fun. [14:57] <magicmeg8> Bye Harry. Thanks for stopping by! [14:57] <harryfreak359> it was a nice chat [14:57] <magicmeg8> you, too, lola! [14:57] <Aislinn> glad you all joined us! [14:57] <andythehouseelf> bye guys [14:57] <harryfreak359> i will come back [14:57] *** lolabelle has quit [Bye] [14:57] <LJ> bye guys [14:57] <andythehouseelf> thanks for coming [14:57] <LJ> great chat [14:57] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:57] <andythehouseelf> see all you PC fans on monday -------------------- To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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