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[12:00] <Poet> Hi MrMcGonagall [12:00] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Poet! [12:01] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [12:01] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:02] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:02] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:02] <Expelliarmas> heya, Jane [12:02] <Poet> Hi Jane [12:02] <JaneMarple9> hello all smile [12:02] <Aislinn> Hi Jane [12:02] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [12:02] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:03] <huebbe> hello all [12:03] <JaneMarple9> hi bemused and hi huebbe [12:03] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [12:03] <Questauthor> Hello all! [12:03] <bemused> Hello! [12:03] <huebbe> is everyone sunny or rainy? [12:03] <Aislinn> hi smile [12:03] <Poet> Sunny I think [12:03] <Aislinn> beautiful day here today, finally [12:03] <JaneMarple9> sunny but cool smile [12:04] <Questauthor> It was raining but now the sun is coming out. Gotta love the desert [12:04] <bemused> Sunny here - it's been a beautiful day [12:04] <Expelliarmas> It's wonderfully warm and sunny here [12:04] <huebbe> ooooo we are overcast and rainy [12:04] <bemused> bad luck, huebbe! [12:04] <Expelliarmas> but then, that's pretty normal here [12:04] *** Questauthor has quit [Bye] [12:04] <huebbe> i know, i think it hit us last [12:05] <huebbe> I never said congrats MrM for your fabulous hiku! [12:06] <Aislinn> has everyone been following the pictures that are being released from the OotP movie? [12:06] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [12:06] <Questauthor> And I'm back [12:06] <Aislinn> Yes, that was a wonderful haiku, wasn't it? [12:06] <huebbe> it really was [12:06] <JaneMarple9> they are looking good yes Aislinn [12:06] <Aislinn> welcome backc, Questauthor [12:06] <bemused> 'Frosting on an evil soul'... that was a magical line, Mr M [12:06] <Expelliarmas> not me, Aislinn. I don't want any spoilage [12:06] <Aislinn> yes, Jane, they're making me more excited for the movie all the time [12:06] <JaneMarple9> i really like the way Luna is looking [12:06] *** phoenix42 has joined #lounge [12:06] <huebbe> i haven't either.... [12:06] <Aislinn> really, Expie? [12:06] <Poet> I've started to avoid looking at all of the new ones. I'm hoping to leave some surprises, though I've already spoiled myself considerably [12:07] <Aislinn> I don't view it as spoilers, as I already know the story smile [12:07] <huebbe> good point! [12:07] <Expelliarmas> no, Aislinn, I've resigned myself to another disappointing movie. Why have it spoiled? [12:07] <Poet> Well costumes and set dressings - that sort of thing [12:07] <phoenix42> hi everyone [12:07] <huebbe> lol! [12:07] <Aislinn> hi phoenix42 [12:07] <bemused> I haven't seen any film pictures for ages - where should I have been looking? [12:07] <JaneMarple9> yes we know the story...sirius dies sad [12:07] <Expelliarmas> welcome back, phoenix42 [12:07] <Aislinn> they are in the Galleries, bemused [12:07] <huebbe> I will be happy when DD dies in the movies [12:08] <phoenix42> thanks, what are we discussing, the movies [12:08] <Poet> oh [12:08] <Questauthor> The actor or the character? [12:08] <bemused> happy?? [12:08] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [12:08] <Aislinn> wonderful pictures of the kids at the DoM, the Weasley kids in Dd's office - great stuff [12:08] <Expelliarmas> I think I'll be quite sad at Dumbledore's death [12:08] <huebbe> yeah, I cant' stand the actor [12:08] <Questauthor> ah. gotcha. I'm not wild about eh actor either [12:08] <huebbe> the character, on the other hand i adore [12:08] <bemused> Oh, I see... [12:08] <Aislinn> I think some of his poor performance in the last movie was due to really poor direction [12:08] <huebbe> i hope so [12:08] <Aislinn> I'm hoping it will be a bit better this time around [12:09] <bemused> He's normally a good actor, in other things [12:09] <Questauthor> Just wish the wardrobe was more what I think DD should be [12:09] <phoenix42> maybe gambon will do a better job this time. Perhaps one more chance [12:09] <Poet> As long as his fingernails are normal length I'll be happy [12:09] <Aislinn> yes, Questauthor - I hate the polyester pajamas they stick him in! [12:09] <huebbe> i just really want to become more DD and less "grateful dead" / Jerry Garcia in wizard robes [12:09] <Expelliarmas> he's not tall enough to have the DD warddrobe [12:09] <Aislinn> he is supposed to be wearing magnificent robes, with stars and such on them [12:10] <huebbe> yes, not his PJ's [12:10] <Questauthor> Its the gray stuff that I hate [12:10] <Poet> hear hear [12:10] <Questauthor> DD is not into gray. He's more flamboyant than that [12:10] <Expelliarmas> yes, purples and deep blues for DD [12:10] <Aislinn> yes - royal blue,, deep purple, more that kind of thing [12:10] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [12:10] <Aislinn> hi Pleshette [12:10] <JaneMarple9> gambon does protray dumbledore as more "cool" [12:10] <Pleshette> Hi everyone! [12:10] <bemused> Hello, Pleshette! [12:10] <huebbe> the first two movies the wardrobe was amazing [12:10] <Expelliarmas> I think he portrays DD as more of an emotional hothead [12:10] <huebbe> hi pleshette [12:11] <Aislinn> much more what I envision, huebbe, yes [12:11] <huebbe> i agree expi [12:11] * Pleshette hope she doesn't get booted for liking Gambon [12:11] <JaneMarple9> I would prefer him to act more in character but I am sure he will do well in film six [12:11] <huebbe> no booting here [12:11] <Questauthor> Expie you hit it dead on [12:11] <Pleshette> heh heh, thanks huebbe [12:11] <Aislinn> I am really optimistic about Yates's direction [12:11] <Aislinn> I think it will help a lot [12:11] <Expelliarmas> I'd like gambon better in some other role [12:11] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [12:11] <huebbe> yes, please make him compassionate and wise again [12:12] <Aislinn> hi 7 [12:12] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [12:12] <SevenofNine> Greetings! [12:12] <Aislinn> hi MafaldaWeasley [12:12] <JaneMarple9> hi 7of9 [12:12] <Expelliarmas> heya 7 [12:12] <Poet> woot [12:12] <Expelliarmas> hello Mafalda [12:12] <huebbe> hi 7 and mafa [12:12] <MafaldaWeasley> hi everybody [12:12] <Pleshette> Hello Seven and Mafalda! [12:13] <MafaldaWeasley> do we have a question? [12:13] <JaneMarple9> hi Mafalda! [12:13] <Expelliarmas> not yet,,Mafalda [12:13] <MafaldaWeasley> hello Pleshette and Jane [12:13] <SevenofNine> bye1 [12:13] <Aislinn> we were just talking about the pictures that have been released for the OotP movie, as we haven't started the chat yet [12:13] <Expelliarmas> we'll start in a few minutes [12:13] <MafaldaWeasley> uu those pics were very good [12:13] <MafaldaWeasley> tx expie. [12:13] <Pleshette> I haven't seen any of the more recent pics yet [12:13] <Aislinn> I agree, MafaldaWeasley - I reallly like them! [12:14] <SevenofNine> I must confess that I'm getting a bit excited about the new film--and trying not to be. [12:14] <Aislinn> there's a great shot of the Weasley kids in Dumbledore's office [12:14] <huebbe> me too 7 [12:14] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it will be a very good movie. I think Yates was so concerned with what he was doing. [12:14] <Pleshette> Oh yes! I did see that one Ais [12:14] <bemused> Cross fingers for a good film, then... [12:14] <Pleshette> It is good [12:14] <Aislinn> He seems more concerned with the emotions of the story than was true in the last movie [12:14] <SevenofNine> I don't want to have my expectations too high. Better to go in expecting to be disappointed and being pleasantly surprised. [12:14] <JaneMarple9> yes what i have seen of the pics etc it looks as if it is really going to stick to the book [12:14] <Pleshette> I really hope so...Me too Seven [12:15] <huebbe> in this movie DD really has to take Harry's yelling in stride, and I don't know if I see Gambon doing it [12:15] <JaneMarple9> No shrunken heads, I'm relieved to say! laugh [12:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [12:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to send you a private chat message. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the message that has been sent to you by that mod. [12:15] *** phoenix42 has quit [Ping timeout] [12:15] <Poet> You won't be able to reply to that message, but if you could just say something like "Poet, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:15] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:15] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:15] <Aislinn> In the Great Hall, Harry hears the loud whispers of classmates who hope to provoke him into shouting about what happened at the end of GoF. He didn’t know the spectators never saw Harry and Cedric disappear from the maze–the students only had Dumbledore’s word for what happened. Fred, George, and Lee are testing their stuff on a gaggle of first-year students. [12:15] <Aislinn> Hermione knits little hats for house-elves. She plans on leaving them about under bits of rubbish so the elves will find them and be freed in spite of their wishes. After Hermione retires, Ron takes the trash off the hats. Grubbly-Plank won’t say where Hagrid might be–but Malfoy knows. Luna and Ernie publicly proclaim their support of Harry. [12:16] <Aislinn> At detention, Harry enters The Toad’s office and finds *it* sitting there. The Toad hands him a special quill of its own. He must write “I must not tell lies” until the message sinks in. He takes the quill in hand and writes, he looks down on the paper and finds in his own blood the words he wrote. The words are on the back of his own writing hand. [12:16] <Aislinn> The final day of detention was just as gloomy. The cut does not heal well–blood drips down his wrist. The Toad takes Harry’s hand in its and his scar sears with pain. The Toad smiles and dismisses him. Back at the Common Room, he finds a celebration. Ron is the new Keeper. Hermione doesn’t think the Toad was being controlled by Voldemort. [12:16] <Aislinn> Harry writes to Sirius as he leaves the Owlery, he meets Cho (the Hosepipe). Cho believes him and thinks he is brave, and then lies to Filch for him (aww!). At breakfast, he learns there is news Sirius is in London and Sturgis Podmore has been sentenced to Azkaban for attempting to break into the MoM. [12:16] <Aislinn> At Quidditch practice they have Slytherin company. Ron is unnerved by it. Katie Bell faints from lack of blood due to one of the twins’ magic chews. Practice ends early. Harry and Ron work on their essays. Ron gets a letter from Percy who toots his own horn, bad-mouths Harry, gives hints that Dumbledore may be leaving, reiterates that he hates most of the family, and calls Dolores Umbridge “delightful.” Obviously, Percy is dr [12:17] <Aislinn> Sirius appears in the fire and tells the Trio not to worry too much about Harry’s scar hurting, and that Dolores, while entirely heinous, is probably no Death Eater. Umbridge is only teaching theory because the MoM is afraid to have Harry “trained in combat.” As he goes away, Sirius becomes cranky and annoyed that Harry and Hermione do not want him found out. [12:17] <Aislinn> Thanks to Room 18–The Atrium and Chamber 29 for the introduction. All caught up? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 13 and 14. [12:17] <Aislinn> Where did Dolores pick up that nasty quill? [12:17] <SevenofNine> Knockturn Alley would be my guess [12:17] <Poet> Knockturn Alley [12:17] <huebbe> same here [12:17] <SevenofNine> Ha! Brilliant minds, Poet [12:17] <JaneMarple9> never thought of where [12:18] <Expelliarmas> I doubt there's a mail-order service which offers such miserable items [12:18] <JaneMarple9> but knockturn alley seems obvious [12:18] <MafaldaWeasley> maybe she has a dungeon like Malfoy's [12:18] <Pleshette> that seems likely, Knockturn alley [12:18] <huebbe> same place Rita got her quick quills? [12:18] <Aislinn> yeah, it seems something appropriate for that dark magic area [12:18] <huebbe> they are both nasty [12:18] <bemused> She might have invented it herself, tho' she doesn't seem very good at magic [12:18] <JaneMarple9> hmmm maybe huebbe [12:18] <Poet> Or maybe it was a Ministry item that's been sitting around for ages - confiscated and highly nasty artifacts.... [12:18] <MafaldaWeasley> good idea Poet [12:18] <JaneMarple9> there is a quill place in hogsmeade isn't there? [12:18] <huebbe> ooo yes poet [12:18] <bemused> It must have been specially for teaching... [12:18] <Questauthor> I could see her making it [12:19] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [12:19] <Poet> oh yea - Scrivenshafts I believe [12:19] <JaneMarple9> scrivencrafts isn't it? [12:19] <huebbe> sort of like Borgin and Burkes? [12:19] <Pleshette> Perhaps Lucius Malfoy gave it to her from his secret stash of Dark objects [12:19] <SevenofNine> I can't see that quill being for sale in a regular store, though. [12:19] <Pleshette> Hey Kneazly! [12:19] <bemused> The Minister's secretary wouldn't need a thing like that - or would she? [12:19] <Kneazly> Hi everyone! [12:19] <Expelliarmas> I doubt that quill place in Hogsmeade would carry something like that. Is there a "knockturn" type place in Hogsmeade, maybe there [12:19] <MafaldaWeasley> hello! [12:19] <huebbe> hi kneazly [12:19] <JaneMarple9> no can't see lucius being kind pleshette! [12:19] <bemused> Hello, Kneazly [12:19] <Aislinn> me either, 7 - it seems too dark an object to be sold in the average magic store [12:19] <Aislinn> If the quill was an example of Dark Magic, how did it get into the castle? [12:19] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:19] <Questauthor> Maybe she inherited it [12:19] <Pleshette> I don't think it would be to be kind, Jane [12:20] <SevenofNine> Good question. [12:20] <Pleshette> Not if he knew she was intending to use it on Harry [12:20] <Expelliarmas> Maybe the teachers aren't searched for dark magic items [12:20] <bemused> Maybe teachers aren't checked [12:20] *** phoenix42 has joined #lounge [12:20] <Expelliarmas> Or maybe, because she is the DADA *teacher* she's allowed to have such a thing [12:20] <Pleshette> Hi phoenix42! [12:20] <SevenofNine> Tha's what I was thinking bemused. [12:20] <Poet> There are all sorts of odd stuff in DADA classes usually [12:20] <SevenofNine> Hi phoenix [12:20] <phoenix42> okay, I hope I got the computer worked out to make this work now [12:20] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think Malfoy would give somebody proof that he was a DE back then, Pleshette. [12:20] <Expelliarmas> I recall Lupin took delivery of dark creatures [12:20] <huebbe> that is what I was thinking Expie [12:20] <Aislinn> I don't think they started getting really security conscious about dark objects until after OotP [12:21] <huebbe> DADA teachers are allowed more le-way [12:21] <SevenofNine> I think that's an excellent idea about the stuff being thought to go with the teaching material [12:21] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, Expei. I think she would have this kind of priviledge [12:21] <Pleshette> DD knew about the diary that he gave Ginny [12:21] <Expelliarmas> well, dark magic information is restricted in the library [12:21] <Expelliarmas> I doubt kids would be allowed such items [12:21] <Questauthor> But this is a personal belonging [12:21] <Aislinn> What does it say about Dolores that she was willing to use that quill on a student? [12:21] <Poet> A pen that takes ink from elsewhere isn't dark - I guess it's how you use it - similar how many things can be misused [12:21] <SevenofNine> And protections increased after CoS [12:21] <Questauthor> Not necessarily a teaching or school object [12:21] <MafaldaWeasley> he knew obviously, but had no way to proof it [12:21] <Pleshette> This could have been a "back room" deal between Lucius and Dolores [12:21] <bemused> It says she's foul! [12:21] <SevenofNine> She's vile. [12:22] <Expelliarmas> It says an awful lot about what a miserable toad it really is [12:22] <Poet> Really terrifying. It shows her true colors at the start [12:22] <Aislinn> the pen cuts into the user's hand, poet - that's very dark [12:22] <bemused> Totally unfit to teach [12:22] <Pleshette> Exactly [12:22] <SevenofNine> Personally, that scene with the quill is almost as bad a Wormtail cutting off his hand. [12:22] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, I agree [12:22] <Expelliarmas> The pen doesn't use ink, it uses the writer's blood [12:22] <SevenofNine> I was horrified. [12:22] <MafaldaWeasley> mmmm test [12:22] <Pleshette> She'll go to extreme measures to punish those who dare go against her views [12:22] <Poet> I'm thinking its a modified, unique item [12:22] <SevenofNine> And to use it on a kid . . . [12:22] <Questauthor> I think a lot of people were, Seven [12:22] <Expelliarmas> we see you mafalda [12:23] <MafaldaWeasley> txs Expie. I was having a bad lag [12:23] <Aislinn> To me, it shows that she has no sense of morals or ethics if she feels that torturing and maiming students is an acceptable means of punishment [12:23] <Kneazly> Morally it is disgusting--ends justinfying means in her opinion. [12:23] <Pleshette> I agree Aislinn [12:23] <phoenix42> it is interesting how she didn't care who went against her, she still used the pen [12:23] <SevenofNine> Absolutely [12:23] <Expelliarmas> I couldn't believe such a thing would be allowed for use against a student [12:23] <bemused> Yes - me too [12:23] <MafaldaWeasley> to me it shows she makes "muuuuuuuu" before spkeaking [12:23] *** LilyFlower has joined #lounge [12:23] <JaneMarple9> it shows how evil she is [12:23] <Pleshette> Hi LilyFlower! [12:23] <huebbe> i believe she is a spy for the "dark side" [12:23] <Poet> She certainly isn't above breaking rules for her own supposedly "lofty" goals [12:23] <Expelliarmas> I think she enjoys the infliction of pain [12:23] <LilyFlower> Hi everyone! [12:23] <Questauthor> I still maintain that if someone had told DD about the quill, he would have done something [12:23] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she is just mean [12:23] <SevenofNine> And it just goes to show that sometimes the "good" guys really all that good. [12:24] <huebbe> she doesn't have one once of kindness in her [12:24] <Questauthor> even if it was to hex it [12:24] <Aislinn> that's true, poet [12:24] <SevenofNine> They just happen to be ona certain side. [12:24] <Kneazly> Yes expie--she was eaget to try the Crucio curse later [12:24] <bemused> I think you're right, Expie [12:24] <Expelliarmas> heya, lily [12:24] <Aislinn> Look at the Toad’s office. Why does it try so hard to make it “feminine”? [12:24] <phoenix42> hi lilyflower, I don't think she's on the darkside, I think she has her own agenda and if people end up liking it she will take credit, if not she keeps quiet [12:24] <Expelliarmas> The Toad gets a sense of excitement before inflicting pain [12:24] <Questauthor> It's a direct contrast to her character [12:24] <SevenofNine> She probably knows she looks like a toad. [12:24] <huebbe> because it is a red herring [12:24] <Questauthor> Overcompensation [12:24] <SevenofNine> Perhaps it's to lull people [12:24] <LilyFlower> To make people think she's nice [12:24] <bemused> That spurious femininity is the cloak she hides behind [12:24] <Expelliarmas> The Toad is not at all feminine, maybe it's trying to fool people [12:25] <Poet> Hmmm. I think she wants to seem soft so she's unsuspected - yes to lull people [12:25] <Aislinn> it is such an effective contrast - this person who is putting on a face of supposed girlish innocence, yet hiding such a hideous core [12:25] <JaneMarple9> yes 7 [12:25] <SevenofNine> Make them think she's soft [12:25] <JaneMarple9> exactly [12:25] <huebbe> she wants to believe she is sweet when she's not, it'l like little red riding hood [12:25] <Kneazly> It's like her pink cardigan--a sugar coating on something evil [12:25] <Pleshette> It's a phony attempt to create the illlusion that she is nice and sweet [12:25] <MafaldaWeasley> because maybe she is trying to impressed [12:25] <huebbe> wolf in sheep's clothing [12:25] <LilyFlower> Don't you know pink has mind controling power? [12:25] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Pleshette [12:25] <Questauthor> The kittens are really her spies [12:25] <SevenofNine> Pink is supposed to be calming. [12:25] <Pleshette> Right huebbe [12:25] <Expelliarmas> good point, Kneazly [12:25] <SevenofNine> They use it a lot in emergency rooms in some hospitals [12:25] <Expelliarmas> pink is also the color of pepto bismal ... [12:26] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [12:26] <huebbe> lol [12:26] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:26] <SevenofNine> laugh [12:26] <Pleshette> LOL [12:26] <MafaldaWeasley> hahaha expie [12:26] <LilyFlower> lol [12:26] <huebbe> makes you throw-up! [12:26] <LilyFlower> Now there's a canon! [12:26] <Poet> I think it shows that she knows herself very well. Somewhere inside she knows she's terrible and cruel and she's trying to put on a different face to hide it [12:26] <Questauthor> I agree, poet [12:26] <huebbe> exactly [12:26] <bemused> (I feel sorry for the kittens... they don't deserve her) [12:26] <MafaldaWeasley> Or she just has a bad tast for decor [12:26] <SevenofNine> She's someone who thinks the end justifies the means [12:26] <Questauthor> She hides behind this persona that is supposed to reflect niceness [12:27] <huebbe> reminds me of a stuffy old women's house [12:27] <Aislinn> Jo keeps describing Dolores in terms of being a toad. Why? [12:27] <LilyFlower> I don't think she's knowns she's doing wrong, I think she thinks she is make the world good [12:27] <SevenofNine> Ooooo, perhaps I shouldn't use pink font color. [12:27] <JaneMarple9> because she is! [12:27] <LilyFlower> Because that what she is [12:27] <MafaldaWeasley> because she is ugly [12:27] <huebbe> like the princess and the toad only in reverse? [12:27] <Questauthor> It's ok Seven. We know you aren't bad! [12:27] <Poet> I like that huebbe [12:27] <Expelliarmas> Because the description fits--she's a toad and a toady [12:27] <bemused> It's that idea of something large, slow-moving and rather replusive, waiting to trap its prey [12:27] <JaneMarple9> or it is foreshadowing for Trevor the Toad in book 7??? smile [12:27] <SevenofNine> laugh Thanks! Is it because toads can be sneaky with those tongues? [12:27] <Kneazly> A toady to Fudge I think--she likes power, but she likes being able to do things for him [12:27] <bemused> (with apologies to any toad-lovers [12:27] <huebbe> ahh i always liked trevor and thought he was DD [12:28] <SevenofNine> They sit there quietly and suddenly that tongue comes out and you're dead? [12:28] <Poet> It's a very clear image. It also helps us and Harry remember her from the Ministry trial [12:28] <Aislinn> I think you're right, bemused [12:28] <Questauthor> that's a good one, huebbe! [12:28] <Pleshette> Yes Seven, that's what I think of too [12:28] <LilyFlower> Well toads are sliping and she does get away with alot [12:28] <Expelliarmas> Let's see, slimy, not something most folks want to touch [12:28] <Expelliarmas> and they enjoy a steady diet of flies [12:28] <JaneMarple9> I very much doubt trevor is nothing but a toad but it would be wonderful foreshadowing!! [12:28] <huebbe> and they are carnavors [12:28] *** phoenix42 has quit [Bye] [12:28] <SevenofNine> Yes, I'm hoping she comes into her own in the end. [12:28] <Questauthor> The myth of toads spreading warts... Umbridge wanting to spread the lies of the MoM [12:28] <Poet> So she likes to catch her prey (wink) [12:28] <bemused> Some have poison on their skin as well [12:28] <Pleshette> There's the myth that toads give warts to those who touch them isn't there? [12:29] <huebbe> or spread evil [12:29] <Questauthor> jinx, Pleshette! [12:29] <SevenofNine> Well, Umbridget is certainly a wart. [12:29] <Pleshette> Hah QA! [12:29] <JaneMarple9> i think so yes pleshette [12:29] <Expelliarmas> lol, 7 [12:29] <Questauthor> You owe me a coke, Plesh [12:29] <Pleshette> Lol [12:29] <Aislinn> Hermione did not think the Toad was being controlled by Voldemort. Is the Toad susceptible to becoming a Death Eater? If so, why? [12:29] <JaneMarple9> not sure [12:29] <huebbe> she enjoys pain so much [12:29] <Questauthor> I don't think so, she's too imersed in the MoM [12:29] <bemused> I doubt it - too intent on self-preservation [12:29] <huebbe> i mean giving it to others [12:30] <Kneazly> I think she's like Barty Crouch Sr, not a Death Eater, but horrid [12:30] <JaneMarple9> i was interested to see that harry's scar hurt when she touched him [12:30] <SevenofNine> I think anyone who's will to lower themselves to using evil's tools is susceptable [12:30] <Poet> I think she's susceptible because like other Voldemort supports she likes torture. I don't think she'll become a Death Eater though [12:30] <SevenofNine> (can't spell) [12:30] <Expelliarmas> I think the Toad completely agrees with LV though and would work for LV if she thought that was where the power was shifting [12:30] <MafaldaWeasley> No, she is too much on the law to become a DE. To become a DE she would have to open hands of her priviledges as one of the Minister's favorite peipple [12:30] <LilyFlower> Maybe if she thought she could get to Harry that way [12:30] <Questauthor> Too caught up in the MoM to understand right from wrong, but not so caught up that she'd think it was ok to follow Volde [12:30] <huebbe> yes [12:30] <Pleshette> I think she likes power too much to be a pawn for Voldemort..She wouldn't want to take orders from him [12:30] <huebbe> she could be swayed [12:30] <SevenofNine> She was really getting off on some of that stuff--like using Cruciatus on Harry. [12:30] <SevenofNine> I'll bet she loved the quill session with Harry [12:30] <Pleshette> She wants the Ministry under her thumb I think [12:30] <Aislinn> she likes her position of power within the ministry, but she has a set of principles(or lack) that is consistent with Voldemort's vile message [12:30] <LilyFlower> But now MoM know that Harry is right so I don't know [12:30] <Poet> She likes having power and she wouldn't have as much under Voldemort I imagine [12:30] <huebbe> i would like to see the two of them get into an argument [12:31] <Expelliarmas> The Toad shares LV's views on half-breeds and I'm sure she has a pureblood fetish as well [12:31] <SevenofNine> Yes, Exp [12:31] <bemused> and she called in the Dementors - I don't think Fudge would have approved that [12:31] <Kneazly> She's definitely twisted, but she's of the point of view that "the ministry is right because it's the minstry" [12:31] <JaneMarple9> she is similar to voldie [12:31] <LilyFlower> I think that would against Jk thought that there are people that are in the grey area [12:31] <JaneMarple9> has the same ideas [12:31] <Expelliarmas> The Toad is not above using whatever means to get power. She loves power and control. Very similar to LV. [12:31] <Poet> I agree Kneazly, she does things under the veil of the law [12:31] <SevenofNine> I imagine that she'd love to be LV's "favorite" if he could find a way to seduce her to the dark side. [12:31] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she is just full of prejudice and hate about things she doesn't know, but I think she over values the power she has and she wouldn't risk it by becoming a DE [12:31] <SevenofNine> She's already almost there [12:32] <JaneMarple9> seduce her? biggrin [12:32] <futureweasley> I think Umbridge has ethics...twisted and wrong as they are...I think she CAN differenciate between doing evil for her own twisted "good" means, and doing evil for evil's sake [12:32] <JaneMarple9> what a thought!! [12:32] <Kneazly> Aagh, Jane! [12:32] *** cbm has joined #lounge [12:32] <SevenofNine> Mentally seduce, Jane. laugh [12:32] <JaneMarple9> right smile [12:32] <MafaldaWeasley> hello future and cbm [12:32] <cbm> Hi everyone! [12:32] <Expelliarmas> I think she would sell out to the DEs if she thought it would give her a more elevated status. She wants prestige. [12:32] <LilyFlower> Hello! [12:32] <huebbe> hi cbm and future [12:32] <bemused> Yes, 7 - in a way she is a DE, though she doesn't know it [12:32] <cbm> what was the ? [12:33] <SevenofNine> Future, I think she could be twisted to believe whatever. [12:33] <Poet> I totally agree futureweasley about her having ethics. Percy has a bit of the same problem (without the same level of cruelty) [12:33] <huebbe> agree seven [12:33] <Questauthor> I think she wants prestige within the MoM, tho [12:33] <LilyFlower> Again I think it would go against what JK is saying about some people not being good or bad just in the middle [12:33] <MafaldaWeasley> Yes Poet I agree [12:33] <Questauthor> Not within the DEs [12:33] <SevenofNine> All LV would have to do was to convince her he wasn't really a bad guy. Just misunderstood. [12:33] <Expelliarmas> I think that makes the Toad worse than LV, future [12:33] <LilyFlower> I don't think she would go as far as to make 6 Horcruxes [12:34] <futureweasley> ah, now Expie...she's just a social climber...I don't see that as worse than LV [12:34] <cbm> I think she is acting for the DEs through this chain voldemort -> Malfoy -> Fudge -> the Toad! [12:34] <SevenofNine> Anybody who would send dementors after two kids, not thinking they could get rid of them, cannot have ethics that really mean anything. [12:34] <Expelliarmas> I don't believe the Toad is in the middle. The Toad is flat evil. [12:34] <huebbe> cbm if Umbidge could be a death eater [12:34] <SevenofNine> She's a closet DE and doesn't even know it. [12:34] <bemused> Yes, Poet - but Percy's a stickler for rules - Umbridge doesn't mind breaking them when it suits [12:34] <Questauthor> I think she'll be one of those who goes into the ground in DH [12:34] <huebbe> and why is called a toad [12:34] *** Aislinn has quit [Ping timeout] [12:34] <Poet> I like that thought SevenofNine [12:34] <Expelliarmas> What did it mean to Harry to have the support of Luna and Ernie? [12:34] <SevenofNine> A lot! [12:34] <futureweasley> everything [12:34] <Poet> it turned the tide for him [12:34] <huebbe> I think it was huge [12:34] <cbm> Ok, someone in my group came up with toady which means sycophant [12:34] <LilyFlower> That's there people outside that believe him [12:34] <JaneMarple9> it meant that some people believed in him! [12:35] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:35] <SevenofNine> I like the tide reference, Poet. Because it makes me think of mob mentality. [12:35] <futureweasley> he was so disheartened at that point...to have some support, no matter where it was from, was so important to Harry [12:35] <JaneMarple9> even if luna is rather looney smile [12:35] <Pleshette> and the fact that they're from other houses says a lot too [12:35] <Questauthor> I think they are opposite ends of the spectrum [12:35] <huebbe> he was being beaten down every where he looked, this solidified he was right [12:35] <Expelliarmas> It meant that folks outside of Gryffindor believed him, a hufflepuff and a ravenclaw [12:35] <LilyFlower> House united, Ravenclaws, Hufflepuffs and Gyrffindors [12:35] <Poet> Harry could sure use all the little victories he could get at this point [12:35] <SevenofNine> Yes, Pleshette [12:35] <LilyFlower> I love Luna and all Hufflepuffs Squee! [12:35] <huebbe> just like the hat said...lily [12:35] <Expelliarmas> It also confused Seamus a bit [12:35] <huebbe> good point [12:36] <SevenofNine> Poor Seamus. [12:36] <huebbe> i too adore Luna [12:36] <Questauthor> Seamus needs to learn to make his own decisions about things [12:36] <JaneMarple9> yes seamus has had a hard time so far roo [12:36] <Expelliarmas> And it shut up some of the other Gryffindors who thought Harry a nut [12:36] <Questauthor> He's spent years with Harry, in the same room. He should know for himself at this point that Harry is not a nutters [12:36] <Poet> Which we see happen at the end of the next book fortunately (Book 6) [12:36] <LilyFlower> Some of the Slytherins too [12:36] <MafaldaWeasley> I never liked Seamus oops did I say that out loud? [12:36] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [12:36] <huebbe> me either mafa [12:36] <Expelliarmas> heya, MrM [12:37] <SevenofNine> And it had to be hard for them to speak up as well. Another reasons I think Neville's got courage. [12:37] <futureweasley> poor Seamus my left eye [12:37] <Expelliarmas> Harry seemed to be having a personal war with the Toad. Why didn’t he yield to her? [12:37] <JaneMarple9> he needs to make his own choices and not go along with his mum's ideas [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> Woot! I'm back [12:37] <bemused> I think Seamus would have been willing to believe - he just needed Harry to meet him half way [12:37] <Questauthor> All Hail the Haiku winner! [12:37] <huebbe> he won't yield to anyone [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> Harry doesn't roll that way. [12:37] <bemused> ...and stop shouting! [12:37] <cbm> I think he wanted to prove he was tougher than her [12:37] <SevenofNine> It's not his nature, and he needs that strength. [12:37] <Poet> He didn't feel ike he had control over much, but he did over how he let her get to him [12:37] <Questauthor> Harry is stubborn [12:37] <Expelliarmas> I think it was the principle of the thing [12:37] <SevenofNine> It's like the trees on the coast. [12:37] <JaneMarple9> because he is trying to follow McGonagalls (Proffessor smile ) advice [12:37] <Questauthor> I was proud of him, to a certian point [12:37] <SevenofNine> The wind constantly blowing on them makes them stronger. [12:37] <Expelliarmas> I appreciated him taking the battle himself [12:37] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [12:37] <Questauthor> but when the teacher is cutting him open (literally) that crosses the line [12:37] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:37] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, Jane. Good point. [12:38] <Pleshette> He didn't want her to get the better of him, especially when he was telling the truth [12:38] <huebbe> he knew she was wrong and he is a LOYAL follower of DD [12:38] <LilyFlower> THe Toad was rude about Cedric and that was a soft spot for Harry at the time [12:38] <Questauthor> I think Harrry is used to relying on himself, too. To a fault [12:38] <futureweasley> Expie, Exactly! I am a big proponent of "principle"...so I totally relate to Harry in his "one man stand" approach to Umbridge [12:38] <SevenofNine> Yes, Questauthor, that was like blink [12:38] <cbm> But he still did not yeild after what was at least 20 hours of torture [12:38] <MrMcGonagall> It's a guy thing, basically. [12:38] <huebbe> lol [12:38] <SevenofNine> laugh MrMcG [12:38] <Pleshette> true Mr.McG [12:38] <Questauthor> You boys [12:38] <JaneMarple9> he is trying to remember Prof. McGonagall's warning about Umbridge and keep his mouth shut [12:39] <bemused> Hello, future, I didn't see you there... [12:39] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it was a way to show her he wouldn't break that easy [12:39] <LilyFlower> Because Harry was Capslock Harry and that Harry likes to fight [12:39] <futureweasley> hi bemused [12:39] <Pleshette> I agree Mafalda [12:39] <Kneazly> It's how any abuse is allowed to continue; with the victim not saying anything [12:39] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [12:39] <SevenofNine> Well, Harry's got a tough core. [12:39] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [12:39] <cbm> Prof, McG did not serve Harry very well by that warning at all [12:39] <Expelliarmas> Well, I think McGonagall never meant for Harry not to say what Umbridge was doing with that vile quill [12:39] <Questauthor> It's also an indicator of his character, and shows why he eventually agrees to lead the DADA defectors [12:39] <MrMcGonagall> No, I really see this as a contest of wills, and he's not going to show any weakness to the ugly toad woman. [12:39] <SevenofNine> How many times has he been faced with death and did it willingly? [12:39] <huebbe> Harry does what he is told by people he trusts.....not the one's he doesn't he is a gut responsive kind of guy [12:39] <SevenofNine> If he could do that would he surrender to a petty tyrant? [12:39] <Expelliarmas> She did want Harry to keep a low profile [12:39] <Pleshette> That's a good point Kneazly. Harry's had to endure a lot of abuse at the hands of the Dursleys [12:39] <Kneazly> Harry is certainly not weak-willed. [12:40] <Questauthor> Nobody puts Harry in the corner, right Expie? [12:40] <Expelliarmas> Ah, MrM, the Toad ain't no woman [12:40] <Aislinn> Why did Harry refuse to seek help from McGonagall or Dumbledore? [12:40] <LilyFlower> Lol [12:40] <MafaldaWeasley> haha Expie [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> He does have a stubborn streak, our Harry. [12:40] <Pleshette> Toad looks like a lady, Expie? [12:40] <SevenofNine> That would be a form of surrender, Aislinn [12:40] <cbm> Because he DD would not speak to him [12:40] <Poet> He's starting to do things for himself rather than running to others [12:40] <LilyFlower> Because he need to prove himself [12:40] <huebbe> he wanted to do it on his own, without having to aske for help...it's weak [12:40] <Questauthor> I think it goes to what we were talking about earlier [12:40] <Expelliarmas> The Toad ain't no lady [12:40] <bemused> He didn't want Umbridge to know she was getting to him [12:40] <MafaldaWeasley> Because he has a lot of pride and he was prooving to the Toad that he was a tough thing [12:40] <LilyFlower> He thought DD thought he was weak [12:40] <Aislinn> he has a streak of pride, and is used to relying on himself [12:40] <SevenofNine> Lady vs. woman, exp? [12:40] <cbm> It was the first magor mistake we saw him make in the series [12:41] <huebbe> typicall of a hormonial teen "I'll do it myself" [12:41] <SevenofNine> Or lady as in [12:41] <Kneazly> It's what Mr. McG said, the contest of wills--if he tells, he's somehow lost. Still a wrong choice, though [12:41] <SevenofNine> "lady"? [12:41] <Aislinn> He hasn't been able to count on adults around him for a long time, so it would not be in his nature to seek them out now. [12:41] <LilyFlower> Well DD was ignoring him at the time [12:41] <SevenofNine> I agree, Aislinn. [12:41] <Questauthor> I agree Aislinn. [12:41] <huebbe> yes lily [12:41] <Questauthor> He's had to rely on himself for so long [12:41] <SevenofNine> He's been raised to have to figure things out himself. [12:41] <bemused> there's also something humiliating about the punishment which he might not have wanted to admit to [12:41] <huebbe> good point [12:41] <MrMcGonagall> And I think Harry knows deep down that he's also responsible for losing his temper. [12:41] <Questauthor> But really, I can't imagine someone not telling Molly (like... Ginny?) [12:41] <Kneazly> Yes, Bemused [12:41] <SevenofNine> Good point, bemused. [12:42] <SevenofNine> It's like someone who's been abused not wanting to admit it to anyone. And this was certainly abuse. [12:42] <huebbe> this book is so emotional across the board [12:42] <LilyFlower> That he let it happen [12:42] <Aislinn> oh, I think he felt completely justified in losing his temper at the point of the first detention Mr M [12:42] <Questauthor> I can't get off my "someone should tell an adult" routine. I think it's because I drill it into my kids often enought! [12:42] <Aislinn> He was being accused of being a dirty little liar [12:42] <cbm> Beyond than aislinn, I think Dd put him in a position of being isolated [12:42] <MafaldaWeasley> Well, some parents would aprove that kind of punishment... [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> I think Harry wants to take his lumps and not give Umbridge the satisfaction of knowing she's gotten to him. [12:42] <Aislinn> I'd have been righteoulsy indignant about that as well [12:43] <Poet> It shows that Harry is growing into an adult and finding other ways to fight back - like with the DA [12:43] <SevenofNine> Yes. MrMcG [12:43] <huebbe> he was mad he had been alienated, and it is so typical to fight back [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> There's righteous indignation and then there's yelling at the top of your lungs in class, as McG pointed out to him. [12:43] <Aislinn> Had he sought help from McGonagall, what would have been McGonagall’s reaction? [12:43] <Kneazly> She would have "done her nut" [12:43] <bemused> Horror, I should think! [12:43] <Expelliarmas> I don't think McG could have done anything directly, but she would have found a way [12:43] <Questauthor> She'd be in the clink [12:43] <Pleshette> I think she would have gone straight to DD [12:43] <cbm> I think she would have helped him in some way [12:43] <SevenofNine> Well, it was pretty early in the year. I think something would have been done. [12:43] <huebbe> ooooo....I don't think I would have wanted to be in the same room [12:43] <Aislinn> I doubt the outcome would have been different, Mr M, had he stated it in a calm tone in class [12:43] <LilyFlower> She might has gotton fired or something [12:43] <futureweasley> she would have been completely abhauled [12:43] <MafaldaWeasley> Turned umbridge into a ferret and putting her into snape's pants? [12:43] <Questauthor> Umbridge would have gotten her fired [12:43] <Questauthor> lovely, Malfalda! [12:44] <futureweasley> I don't think so, QuestAuthor [12:44] <Aislinn> it was the truth he was telling that Umbridge was punishing [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, I don't think McG would have passed up the opportunity to reprimand Dolores. Great chance to exercise her authority as deputy headmistress. [12:44] <futureweasley> I think that even the Ministry would have been shocked at Umbridge's actions [12:44] <Questauthor> I think so, FW... I think if any of the teachers did something against Umbridge, she'd use her power [12:44] <JaneMarple9> agreed [12:44] <bemused> I think that's right, future [12:44] <Kneazly> I think DD could have done something--others in the ministry would have been horrified, just as they would have been horrified if they'd know Umbridge set the Dementors on him. [12:44] <Expelliarmas> I think the MoM would have made it seem like Harry was making up lies about Umbridge [12:44] <huebbe> more than likely Mrs. Mc would have followed the rules as she is apt to do, and told Harry to deal with it while she herself bit her lip and walked away [12:44] <Questauthor> Harry's a liar, why should the MoM believe Delores did that to him? [12:44] <Poet> It would have brought things to a head with DD and the Ministry too soon in the story I presume [12:44] <JaneMarple9> even fudge wouldn't approbve of dementors [12:44] <Questauthor> She'd say he did it to himself [12:44] <cbm> But would the ministry really approve of using a quill for 20 hours [12:44] <Aislinn> yes, future, we do see that when she makes these choices, she is doing it on her own authority, and not with the full knowledge of the Ministry [12:44] <MafaldaWeasley> ahh Huebbe, many would have approved that kind of behaviour [12:45] <bemused> I doubt Fudge would have gone along with that punishment [12:45] <futureweasley> he's got the physical proof! [12:45] <LilyFlower> then again MoM let Malfoy get away with murder so they would probly puch it uder the table [12:45] <huebbe> oh yes, but i really don't think Mrs. Mc would have [12:45] <Aislinn> What could Dumbledore have done had he known about the evil quill? [12:45] <Questauthor> but he could have done it himself... I think they've set Hary up all the way [12:45] <huebbe> she would know it was crue [12:45] <futureweasley> and about 30 student witnesses [12:45] <huebbe> l [12:45] <Expelliarmas> Harry has been portrayed as a nut in the media, the MoM would have said the injuries were self-inflicted and a cry for attention [12:45] <Questauthor> not about the quill tho [12:45] <cbm> I think he would have moved to stop it in some way [12:45] <MrMcGonagall> He could have ordered Umbridge to destroy it, or at least not use it as punishment any more. [12:45] <Aislinn> I think that Dumbledore could have made her stop - he was quick to stop her when she laid hands on that sneak later in the story [12:45] <bemused> He would aurely have stopped it - he wouldn't even let her shake Marietta [12:45] <Questauthor> I think DD was the only one who could stop it [12:45] <JaneMarple9> errr sack Umbridge? smile [12:45] <Kneazly> Yes, Aislinn/bemused [12:45] <MrMcGonagall> In fact, it may have been grounds for removing her from her post early on in the game. [12:45] <huebbe> wh would have told her to destroy it and find another means of punishment [12:46] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he would have it confiscated and then destroyed [12:46] <Expelliarmas> DD would have taken direct steps, he doesn't tolerate physical abuse of kids [12:46] <JaneMarple9> yes Mafalda [12:46] <SevenofNine> I think DD would have made her stop, but I don't think she would have left. [12:46] <LilyFlower> He doen't have th epower to sack her though [12:46] <Aislinn> do you think that the Ministry would have listened to anything against her? [12:46] <LilyFlower> No [12:46] <SevenofNine> It would have been interesting to see an article in the newspaper though about how the kids are being punished. [12:46] <Expelliarmas> No, Aislinn, I don't [12:46] <MafaldaWeasley> no, Aislinn, I doubt it [12:46] <cbm> Not at all Aislinn [12:46] <huebbe> no, he wouldn't have gotten rid of her [12:46] <SevenofNine> Wonder what the parents would have thought of that. [12:46] <Aislinn> I think that they would have rationalized it, in the interest of keeping their toady in power [12:46] <bemused> they couldn't have denied the physical evidence [12:46] <Questauthor> I don't think so, Aislinn [12:46] <JaneMarple9> harry should have let Prof. McGonagall know [12:46] <Kneazly> I don't think the MoM would let him sack her, but DD would have destroyed that quill [12:46] <huebbe> no [12:46] <Aislinn> I agree, kneazly [12:47] <futureweasley> sorry guys, I have to run. Great chat! [12:47] *** futureweasley left #lounge [] [12:47] <Aislinn> bye future [12:47] <huebbe> bye! [12:47] <Questauthor> Bye FW! [12:47] <cbm> bye [12:47] <Aislinn> Why was Harry so reluctant to share his problem with Ron and Hermione? [12:47] <JaneMarple9> because remember the way McGonagall reacted when Moody changed draco into a ferret [12:47] <Questauthor> I think that's the boy thing again [12:47] <huebbe> humiliation [12:47] <MafaldaWeasley> he has a little PRIDE issue [12:47] <Pleshette> Bye future [12:47] <SevenofNine> Didn't want their pitty [12:47] <SevenofNine> *pity [12:47] <bemused> I think he felt humiliated by it [12:47] <Expelliarmas> For the same reasons he wouldn't go to McG and DD, it was a battle of wills between him and the Toad [12:47] <JaneMarple9> he's a teenage boy smile [12:47] <Questauthor> And again, he felt it was personal [12:47] <huebbe> didn't want to listen to Hermonie "Harry, you HAVE to tell DD" [12:47] <Questauthor> mano-a-toado [12:48] <Pleshette> Yes, and he knew that they would be horrified and want him to tell someone [12:48] <SevenofNine> Made me wonder why Lee Jordan didn't say anything about the quill [12:48] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, he wasn't going to rely on the sympathy of his friends to get him through these difficult detentions. [12:48] <JaneMarple9> he knew they would believe him but he wanted to deal with it himself [12:48] <Poet> And Ron is a bit hot headed. I'm sure he didn't want them getting in trouble, but it did seem like a pride thing first and foremost [12:48] <Expelliarmas> Harry is also mistakenly feeling *alone* and resentful about being isolated. I think he wanted to prove he could do this himself. [12:48] <LilyFlower> Well Lee a boy too [12:48] <Kneazly> Yes huebe--he knew what their reactions would be, and he'd already decided against going to McG or Dd [12:48] <Aislinn> I think that's an excellent point, expie [12:48] <JaneMarple9> he is also cross with dumbeldore [12:48] <Expelliarmas> true, Jane [12:48] <SevenofNine> But Lee didn't have the same issues with Umbridge that Harry had. [12:48] <MafaldaWeasley> Yes Expie [12:48] <huebbe> a resentful teenager is a stubborn teenager [12:48] <Questauthor> By then, they'd started the DA, Right? [12:48] <MrMcGonagall> Telling his friends would have interfered with the "it's between me and her" attitude. [12:48] <JaneMarple9> doesn't want to hear hermione telling him to go to dumbledore [12:49] <SevenofNine> Right huebbe [12:49] <Expelliarmas> not at that point, Quest [12:49] <Pleshette> with Lee QuestA? [12:49] <Questauthor> With Lee, I mean [12:49] <Pleshette> yes [12:49] <Aislinn> yes, by then they had [12:49] <cbm> I wonder what lee did [12:49] <Questauthor> So by then it was a group Us Vs. Her [12:49] <SevenofNine> The Lee incident was almost the end of the year, I think, wasn't it? [12:49] <SevenofNine> Good point Quest [12:49] <Questauthor> I could see them being quiet about it. It was after the twins left, right? [12:49] <Expelliarmas> the Lee incident is later [12:49] <Aislinn> What made Harry’s scar sear with pain when the Toad touched him? [12:49] <JaneMarple9> who knows? [12:49] <Questauthor> ooooo. Evil intent? [12:49] <SevenofNine> LV [12:50] <Pleshette> He made a smart alec remark to Umbridge about one of her decrees cmb [12:50] <huebbe> because she is evil at heart [12:50] <Kneazly> Coincidence, sth LV was feeling. [12:50] <Poet> It was coincidence meant to throw us off, I think [12:50] <Aislinn> yes, seven - it was the connection with LV [12:50] <MafaldaWeasley> some satisfation LV had with his suffering? [12:50] <SevenofNine> Just happened at a time when the Toad touched Harry [12:50] <cbm> I agree poet [12:50] <JaneMarple9> I have wondered if it was to do with the blood letting [12:50] <bemused> It was never really explained what LV was doing at the time - was it? [12:50] <JaneMarple9> the way harry's hand bled [12:50] <Pleshette> I agree that is a coincidence too [12:50] <Aislinn> right, it was just a coincidence [12:50] <Poet> voldemort was happy I believe [12:50] <LilyFlower> Maybe Harry what emotion at the time and it hurt LV too [12:50] <Expelliarmas> I don't think we get coincidences in Potterverse [12:50] <JaneMarple9> because he gave blood to voldemort didn't he [12:50] <huebbe> just like Qurrell made his scar hurt by looking at him (diregarding the turban) [12:50] <Kneazly> No, I don't think that one was explained, bemused. [12:50] <MafaldaWeasley> me neither [12:50] <Questauthor> True, Expie [12:50] <SevenofNine> No, but it was also early in the book, bemused, so Harry hadn't really made the connection yet. [12:50] <MrMcGonagall> I think LV was frustrated that he was getting nowhere with the Dept. of Mysteries. [12:51] <SevenofNine> Methinks [12:51] <JaneMarple9> perhaps mr mcg. [12:51] <Pleshette> Does that coincide with Sturgis being caught? [12:51] <LilyFlower> Something to do with the blood [12:51] <MrMcGonagall> No [12:51] <MrMcGonagall> Sturgis was earlier [12:51] <Questauthor> That's an interesting theory, Lily Flower [12:51] <cbm> I think we rarely get coincidences, but I think the pain was there to make us think she is a DE [12:51] <Kneazly> Sturgis was sentenced about that time, but caught earlier [12:51] <cbm> podmore was 8/31 [12:51] <LilyFlower> thank you [12:51] <Poet> We do find out later that it coincided with an event [12:51] <Aislinn> I think the fact that it happened then was meant to make us suspect her of something more sinister than her already sinister enough persona [12:51] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking more along the line of the blood too [12:51] <Pleshette> sorry, I'm mixed up, thanks guys [12:51] <Expelliarmas> The Toad was quite pleased with itself when it touched Harry's injured/bleeding hand [12:52] <Expelliarmas> that led to the searing scar pain [12:52] <huebbe> like quirrell [12:52] <SevenofNine> I think it's coincidence meant to confuse us. [12:52] <MafaldaWeasley> but why the blood would give harry pain and not umbridge? [12:52] <MrMcGonagall> I agree with cbm. Coincidence, but placed in the story to make us think it's more. [12:52] <Poet> I think it was Jo trying to trick us [12:52] <Aislinn> exactly [12:52] <Kneazly> Still, I think that pleased look and pain were meant by JKR to mislead us [12:52] <LilyFlower> Mr.Blood anyone? [12:52] <Aislinn> Did you consider it ethical of Fred and George to test their products on first-year students? [12:52] <SevenofNine> That tricksy Jo [12:52] <huebbe> yes, I dont' think it will come out later [12:52] <Kneazly> NO! [12:53] <huebbe> no [12:53] <Expelliarmas> That was siriusly unethical by them [12:53] <bemused> No - but typical of them [12:53] <Questauthor> Well, they tested it on themselves first [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> No. Bad Gred & Forge. Very bad. [12:53] <SevenofNine> No [12:53] <cbm> not really, but it is funny [12:53] <JaneMarple9> the blood links with voldie - harry gave voldie blood to come back alive in book 4 [12:53] <LilyFlower> well tested on them selves first [12:53] <huebbe> they should have tested it only on the Slytherians [12:53] <Questauthor> Not well done of them [12:53] <JaneMarple9> it was amusing smile [12:53] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [12:53] <Questauthor> good one, huebbe! [12:53] <Pleshette> lol huebbe [12:53] <SevenofNine> What is someone had had a terrible allergic reaction and died? [12:53] <Poet> I like to give Fred and George the benefit of the doubt [12:53] <Pleshette> Hi nympheart! [12:53] <Aislinn> they already had tested them, and were about to sell them to the same students, who subsequently happily bought them [12:53] <JaneMarple9> some nice comic value after umbridge [12:53] <nympheart> hello! [12:53] <huebbe> hi nymph [12:53] <Questauthor> I'd like to give F & G money so I could get a piece of their future action [12:53] <SevenofNine> I think they were naivie [12:53] <SevenofNine> *naive This post has been edited by Poet: Apr 21 2007, 02:53 PM |
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