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Reading Group Chat: The Toad Tries to Catch Flies–OOTP, Chapters 15 and 16. April 28, 2007 Today’s Chat Moderators Were: Aislinn, cloudpic, Expelliarmas, futureweasley, and Mr.McGonagall [12:59] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:59] *** Topic is: Reading Group Chat on Chapters 15 & 16, OotP [12:59] *** Topic set by MrMcGonagall [Thu Dec 7 20:19:15 2006] [12:59] -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized. [12:59] *** mode/#lounge [+o Expelliarmas] by Snuffles [13:01] *** cbm has joined #lounge [13:01] <cbm> Hi everyone [13:01] <Expelliarmas> heya [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> Howdy, y'all! [13:02] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:02] <Aislinn> good afternoon! [13:02] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [13:02] <JaneMarple9> Hello all! [13:02] <Expelliarmas> heya, Jane [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> everyone ready for another amazing RG chat? [13:03] <JaneMarple9> nice to get in the booth without snuffles growling at us [13:03] <cbm> I am! [13:03] <JaneMarple9> Ready as always Mr McG [13:04] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Snuffles has been behaving himself better lately. [13:04] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [13:04] * MrMcGonagall knocks on wood [13:04] <becky920> Howdy, y'all! [13:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi becky! [13:05] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [13:05] <becky920> How's it going? [13:05] <Spectre> hi all, did I miss much? [13:05] <JaneMarple9> hi chocolate hi becky hi spectre [13:06] <JaneMarple9> just starting [13:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> omg, i just spent an hour putting together the most difficult-to-assemble little desk EVER [13:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I've got blisters on my hand and a cut on my thumb as battle scars [13:06] <cbm> ouch [13:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but it was only 40 bucks at walmart, and it's pretty gorgeous [13:06] <becky920> Was there an allen wrench involved? I hate those things. [13:06] <cbm> I like putting that stuff together [13:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i had substandard tools... my plus-head screwdriver was really short [13:07] <becky920> brb [13:07] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [13:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i just got an iMac, so i needed an actual desk... my little laptop could go anywhere [13:08] <Kneazly> Hi all [13:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi kneazly! [13:08] <cbm> except for the occasional putting a piece in backwards and finding out when I am nearly done part [13:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that happened to me cbm! [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> I've been thinking about getting an iMac, chocolate [13:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but i ignored it [13:08] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [13:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I LOVE mine, MrM [13:08] <cbm> lol [13:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I'd recommend it [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> I have a Powerbook G3 right now. [13:08] <JaneMarple9> hi pleshette [13:08] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [13:08] <Kneazly> Hi Pleshette [13:08] * Expelliarmas uses a microwave cart for the computer desk [13:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, i upgraded from a powerbook g4 [13:09] <Pleshette> Hi! [13:09] <nympheart> hello everyone [13:09] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:09] <nympheart> hi bemused [13:09] <cbm> I am using my lap at the moment, the cat is not happy, she think she should be allowed to sit there, [13:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I need a good one because I do graphics and photography and 3d and all that stuff that requires a little somethign more than the average [13:09] <bemused> Hello! [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> The problem with Macs is that they just won't die. The only reason to upgrade is getting more oomph. [13:10] *** Nimthiriel has joined #lounge [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Nim! [13:10] <nympheart> hi nim [13:10] <Nimthiriel> Hey guys [13:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah mrm... that's why i got an imac... i still use my g4, so i can be mobile AND have a desktop that's powerful [13:11] <Kneazly> Um, what does deop mean? [13:11] <Expelliarmas> a goof on my part, kneazly [13:11] <Kneazly> Oh, thanks. [13:11] <JaneMarple9> something painful [13:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [13:12] <Expelliarmas> there's little pain in here [13:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> cbm, my cat is in my lap, on the little bit of space between me and the keyboard lol [13:13] <Kneazly> I just got a flat screen from work, and the cat is disappointed because she used to sleep on the old one while I worked. [13:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [13:13] <bemused> my cat is on the windowsill, using the frame as a pillow... [13:13] <Expelliarmas> hmm, seems like the cat wanted the heat from the monitor [13:13] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [13:13] <JaneMarple9> awww spoiling you cats fun Kneasley [13:13] <Questauthor> Hello everyone [13:13] <nympheart> my one cat will lay on the keyboard for the laptop and just sits there while it beeps nonstop [13:13] <nympheart> hi quest [13:13] <Pleshette> Hi Questauthor! [13:13] <Kneazly> Hi QA. My cats are out enjoying the sunshine right now. [13:14] <Questauthor> Hey nymph, plesh and others! [13:14] <JaneMarple9> hi questauthor [13:14] <nympheart> there's no sunshine here [13:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> my parents' deaf cat used to sleep on the subwolfer to our surround sound system, because she liked the vibrations [13:14] <cbm> My cat likes to try and play with the keyboard, so I keep her away, my typing is bad enough [13:14] <nympheart> my fingers aren't working properly because i just spent two and half hours in teh cold rain [13:14] <JaneMarple9> [13:14] <Kneazly> Mine likes to try to catch the cursor. [13:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> icky, nymph! [13:14] <JaneMarple9> no cat to blame for my bad typing! [13:14] <bemused> Mine too, Kneazly [13:15] <JaneMarple9> hey bemused [13:15] <bemused> Hello Jane! [13:15] <Expelliarmas> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [13:15] <Expelliarmas> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the /top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [13:15] <Expelliarmas> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:15] <Expelliarmas> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:15] <Expelliarmas> While it’s easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> The news of Umbridge's new title and powers spread quickly. Trelawney's inspection stinks. In DADA, Hermione decomposes Umbridge. Harry’s temper lands him another detention. McGonagall gives Umbridge a rough time. Umbridge uses CMC to try to get the dirt on Hagrid. Hermione asks Harry to teach DADA. After losing his temper, he promises to think about it. [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> Harry agrees to teach a few people and they meet up at the Hogs Head where everything and everyone is shady. A gaggle of students arrive–no Slytherins. Many came to hear about Cedric. A lot knew of Harry’s previous deeds. Cho was supportive. Everyone signs a paper agreeing not to blab about what they’re doing. [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> Thanks to Chamber 88 and Room 18–The Atrium for the introduction. Ready? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 15 and 16. [13:16] <MrMcGonagall> Can't Dumbledore do anything to stop Umbridge? Or does he choose not to? Why? (Chamber 88) [13:17] *** becky920 has quit [Bye] [13:17] <cbm> I would say can't [13:17] <Questauthor> I think he's chosing his battles [13:17] <Questauthor> and keeping his enemies close [13:17] <Expelliarmas> I think it's both [13:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I say he's biding his time... exactly Quest [13:17] <nympheart> I think he'd probably be able to play with her a little bit, but it might come back to bite him later, so he didn't [13:17] <Kneazly> Better to watch her and give her enough rope to hang herself. [13:17] <MrMcGonagall> I think he's trying to avoid making waves - doesn't want to give the Ministry any excuses. [13:17] <Questauthor> He might be using legemency to get info from Umbrige [13:17] <cbm> But he has been so hands off this year, maybe his actions here are another mistake [13:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think he might have done something if he knew that Harry was being injured during her detentions... [13:18] <Kneazly> I think so too, chocolate. he wouldn't let her shake Marietta. [13:18] <Nimthiriel> I think that he is trying to avoid anymore trouble [13:18] <Questauthor> I agree CINFB [13:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but Harry was kind of stubborn about telling Dumbledore, since DD was treating him [13:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ignoring him [13:18] <JaneMarple9> i think his hands are tied [13:18] <cbm> Until Voldemort is in the open and the ministry is no longer being influenced by Mayfoy, I am not sure what he can do [13:19] <Kneazly> If the ministry and the governors are allowing her to be there, there's probably not a lot he can do to get rid of her. [13:19] <JaneMarple9> but he'd be able to do something if harry had told him the way umbridge had been treating him etc [13:19] <Pleshette> I don't think there's much he can do either, like others have said, he'll choose his battles with her [13:19] <JaneMarple9> but harry's nor speaking to dumbledore [13:19] <Spectre> I agree about "enough rope" part - the Ministry, and Umbridge herself, did every possible thing to discredit themselves. [13:19] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [13:19] <nympheart> hi becky [13:19] <cbm> but who would believe him outside of DD, the ministry would proably say harry did it to himself [13:19] <Pleshette> like he does later on in the book [13:20] <Pleshette> I agree cbm [13:20] <becky920> sorry about that... got lost between the cabinets, I think. [13:20] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore knows fudge has put umbridge there for a reason [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> The Toad has students read in class, but nothing else. Is this teaching? Why or why not? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:20] <JaneMarple9> of course it's not teaching [13:20] <Questauthor> Not teaching. And it's clear DU is not a teacher. Not now, not ever. [13:20] <cbm> Not like any teacher I know [13:20] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:20] <Pleshette> No it's supervising [13:20] <nympheart> it's not teaching, it's abandoning the students to learn on their own [13:20] <Kneazly> No way is that teaching. She's lazy. [13:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> no - it's like reading about sewing, and then asking someone to make a handbag [13:21] <nympheart> hi cloud [13:21] <JaneMarple9> she is making them read and not pratice [13:21] <Pleshette> she's not teaching them a thing [13:21] <JaneMarple9> (((Cloudpic))) [13:21] <becky920> I had a college professor do that... I felt like I'd wasted my money for the course. I can read on my own time, thanks. [13:21] <Pleshette> Hi cloudpic [13:21] <cbm> It is more like a book club without the discussion [13:21] * cloudpic waves [13:21] <bemused> it's just crowd control [13:21] * JaneMarple9 waves back [13:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, and a really boring book, cbm [13:21] <MrMcGonagall> It's pretty lame teaching. [13:21] <cloudpic> She certainly doesn't allow for varied learning styles either [13:21] <Questauthor> I mean, how much can you learn from just reading? Not bloody much [13:21] <cbm> And it is an awful book also! [13:21] *** Moriah has joined #lounge [13:21] <Expelliarmas> reading is what you do on your own time,! [13:21] <Pleshette> Hi Moriah! [13:21] <nympheart> hi moriah [13:22] <bemused> she doesn't even question them on the book [13:22] <Moriah> Hello all! [13:22] <JaneMarple9> even hermione didn't enjoy reading wilbert slinkhard methods [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> It highlights the fact that Umbridge really has nothing to teach them. [13:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if anything, it spurred the kids on to form a group... the ministry is very bad at predicting unintended consequences, something I learned in an intro class to politics [13:22] <Kneazly> It might not be so bad if there was discussion, but that's obviously discouraged. [13:22] <becky920> It's very Pink Floyd, isn't it? She's got a very cookie cutter method going on. It doesn't allow for individual learning styles. [13:22] <cloudpic> No, I think you're supposed to retain only 5% of material simply read, not practiced or discussed [13:22] <cbm> I can learn by reading, but that is not the same as being taught [13:22] <Pleshette> Right expie, as reinforcement of a practical lesson [13:22] <Spectre> I wonder how she still allowed Flitwick and McGonagall to actually teach new spells and other magical techniques... [13:22] <JaneMarple9> and that is saying something if hermione doesn't like a book! [13:22] <Expelliarmas> Otherwise, what's the point of going to class? [13:22] <cloudpic> Of course, she doesn't really intend to teach Defense against the Dark Arts... [13:23] <JaneMarple9> umbridge treats the pupils as if they are 5 years olds! [13:23] <Kneazly> Maybe she didn't see what McG and Fl. taught as defensive. [13:23] <Questauthor> I think given time, she'd have limited the other teachers from using spells as well [13:23] <cloudpic> she intends spy [13:23] <Moriah> Well, I didn't necessarily agree with what Hermione said about the book. A counterjinx really is just a jinx, right? [13:23] <becky920> And they're discouraged from thinking for themselves. [13:23] <Questauthor> she just ended up getting sidetracked by other issues [13:23] <Expelliarmas> I don't think she could teach her way out of a paper bag [13:23] <nympheart> I think that would annoy me more than anything else, Jane [13:23] <cbm> I think she only is going after the teachers that DD hired personally, so she let's them teach [13:23] <becky920> I think the mark of a good teacher is when a student has learned to come to their own conclusions, you know? [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, she questioned Snape's level of teaching - thought it too advanced. [13:23] <JaneMarple9> exactly expel!! [13:23] <Questauthor> Or she could have been waiting to catch them doing something counter MoM so she could fire them summarily [13:23] <cloudpic> She particularly goes after those who're less than confidant as well she's a bully [13:23] <Kneazly> I agree Moriah, but the intention is different. [13:23] <JaneMarple9> hi Moriah [13:24] <Moriah> Hi Jane! [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> “I think the appointment of the Inquisitor is a first step toward ensuring that Hogwarts has a headmaster in whom we can all repose confidence.” Who was this Ministry insider and what was the point of the quote? (Chamber 29) [13:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well, the whole point of her going is to convince people that Voldemort isn't back, but it's poor planning to assume that the kids will never need to use the spells again... if another tyrant comes, their path would be paved if Umbridge and the ministry succeeded in their anti DADA class [13:24] <JaneMarple9> oh yes umbridge's a bully [13:24] <becky920> How much you want to bet it was actually Fudge himself or Percy? [13:24] <JaneMarple9> umbridge obviously? [13:24] <cloudpic> Well, we've only seen one "insider" in action... if by insider we mean someone not an employee? [13:24] <Moriah> I think Umbridge or Fudge [13:24] <Spectre> Malfoy? [13:24] <Expelliarmas> I think it was Umbrige. Too wordy for Fudge [13:25] <cloudpic> Malfoy, I think. [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> Could have been Percy [13:25] <Kneazly> I think it was either Fudge or Malfoy, and it's purpose is to insinuate that you can't trust Dumbledore. [13:25] <Moriah> I don't think Percy since his name was already quoted [13:25] <bemused> It sounds rather like Lucius, except he doesn't belong to the Ministry [13:25] <Nimthiriel> Could have been Umbridge [13:25] <cbm> Percy was quoted by name, so I do not think it is Percy [13:25] <Expelliarmas> "repose confidence"? not a phrase Fudge could use [13:25] <Pleshette> I think Malfoy [13:25] <JaneMarple9> hmmmm Lucius? [13:25] <becky920> "repose" sounds very Percy... maybe he said that line but asked it not to be attributed to him. [13:25] <cbm> Malfoy is a good bet [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, quite possibly Lucius. [13:25] <JaneMarple9> possible yes thats likr Lucius [13:25] <nympheart> Lucius would talk like that [13:25] <Pleshette> He's always sticking in nose in where it doesn't belong [13:25] <Moriah> Malfoy was quoted too and I'm not sure he is a MoM insider [13:25] <Aislinn> is he a Ministry insider? [13:25] <Pleshette> his [13:25] <JaneMarple9> he likes to keep on the Ministrys good side [13:25] <bemused> but I spose he's an 'insider' in the sense that he's always inside... [13:25] <Moriah> He doesn't work for the MoM [13:25] <cbm> Malfoy would qualify at this point with as much time as he spends there [13:25] <Aislinn> It sounds like Percy to me [13:25] <Expelliarmas> Lucius would be an "insider" [13:25] <JaneMarple9> he's a Azkaban insider now [13:25] <nympheart> maybe Aislinn, Umbridge favored Draco [13:25] <Pleshette> no...but his influential money talks [13:25] <Questauthor> I have absolutley no idea who it was! [13:26] <becky920> good point, JM9 [13:26] <Spectre> An insider shouldn't actually work for the company, as far as I understand [13:26] <cbm> It said insider, not employee of any type [13:26] <becky920> Surely it would have said employee if it was one [13:26] <cloudpic> Lucius certainly enjoys manipulating things at the Ministry [13:26] <Moriah> brb [13:26] <JaneMarple9> he does cloud [13:26] <Expelliarmas> Lucius has a reputation for being within the ministry [13:26] <Kneazly> Yeah, insider implys to me something with knowledge, but who doesn't actually work there. [13:26] <cloudpic> He was at Fudge's elbow after Harry's "trial" [13:26] <nympheart> with large quanitities of money [13:26] <Kneazly> Someone with knowledge, I mean. [13:26] <Questauthor> Could it have been Rufus S? [13:26] <JaneMarple9> i think he is bribing a few people in the ministry [13:27] <cloudpic> I agree, Jane [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> What did you think of the appointment of Umbridge as High Inquisitor? Percy said the staff did not accept Umbridge. Wouldn't this new position just widen the rift between her and her fellow professors? (Chamber 007). [13:27] <JaneMarple9> rufus? thats another possibility [13:27] <cbm> I think that he is influencing everything we see out of the ministry at this point [13:27] <Expelliarmas> no, I don't think it was scrimgeour, he's busy looking for Sirius [13:27] <Spectre> Doesn't sound like Scrimgeour, he's more straigthforward I think [13:27] <JaneMarple9> not thought of him [13:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Maybe Dumbledore allowed it all to happen, knowing that the Ministry would take away DADA to deny Voldemort's return... Dumbledore might have predicted that the kids would retaliate with a DADA club... it certainly taught them all more than they would EVER have learned from a teacher, AND it united the houses to work together [13:27] <cloudpic> Fudge would be an easy "bribe" target and so would Bagman [13:27] <becky920> Widen the rift? Sure... but now they're not free to complain. [13:27] <Aislinn> I don't think she cares in the least whether there is a rift between herself and the rest of the professors [13:27] <Spectre> The rift was widened on purpose, I think [13:27] <nympheart> Umbridge isn't very bright, she probably though her authority would make the teachers give up fighting her [13:27] <MrMcGonagall> It's completely designed to give power over the other staff to Umbridge. [13:27] <bemused> It would certainly widen the rift - but I s'pose the point is that it gives her authority over the other teachers [13:28] <Aislinn> She is all about power, not consensus [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> Absolute dictatorship - rule by decree. [13:28] <cloudpic> I'm not sure, chocolate, he'd not really want a Ministry spy inside Hogwarts [13:28] <cbm> I think they are all caught up in the fact that they have the power and they will flatten any opposition in the long rn [13:28] <cbm> run [13:28] <Kneazly> Yep, it's all about control. She doesn't care if they don't like her. [13:28] <bemused> so it doesn't matter so much if they accept her or not [13:28] <Expelliarmas> The Toad is not interested in having a relationship with the teachers; she wants to show them she's better than they are [13:28] <becky920> She's a control freak. [13:28] <Aislinn> exactly, expie [13:28] <Spectre> The pattern is simple - "inspection", then some conflict, firing - and another Ministry employee as a new teacher [13:28] <cbm> She wants to be a ruler, not a leader [13:28] <Kneazly> I absolutely hate this idea that someone who is not a trained teacher can inspect real teachers. [13:29] <Questauthor> I agree, Kneazly [13:29] <Spectre> Until all the teachers are from MoM and do what MoM says [13:29] <cloudpic> I can't get a mental "handle" on what she really wants... I know it's power, but power to what end? And she really seemed to want to get after Harry, even at the "trial" [13:29] <bemused> ... or if not 'firing', then interference with the things they teach [13:29] <Questauthor> I think she wants hogwarts [13:29] <becky920> We know JKR was once a teacher. You think she was trying to say anything with Umbridge's inspections? [13:29] <bemused> or the way they teach them [13:29] <Questauthor> That there is some magic at Hogwarts she wants her paws on [13:29] <cloudpic> But why does she want Hogwarts? [13:29] <JaneMarple9> umbridge didn't want to make friends [13:29] <Kneazly> Definietely, becky. [13:29] <JaneMarple9> she wanted to control! [13:29] <Questauthor> something that you can only use if you are headmaster or mistress [13:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but in Dumbledore's POV, cloudpic, Voldemort would be showing himself sometime, and the Ministry would eat their words... maybe the most important thing to Dumbledore was to get Harry to become a fighter, to keep him focused on being a leader and a unifier between the houses, which distracts him from the posibility of going to the DoM [13:29] <cloudpic> Does she know something we don't? [13:29] <cbm> So people are after power just for the sake of having it [13:29] <Spectre> She wanted control over young minds [13:30] <bemused> There is a UK element in this - teachers here are subjected to far more government interference and 'inspection' than they used to be [13:30] <JaneMarple9> yes spectre [13:30] <Questauthor> There are enchantments associated with the castle that are powerful [13:30] <Expelliarmas> I'm sure Jo had plenty of inspections by unqualified people when she was a teacher [13:30] <Spectre> Similar to Voldemort [13:30] <Kneazly> I thnk the ministry wants total control of Hogwarts--then they can tell them whatever they like. [13:30] <nympheart> yes spectre, but those minds were more mature than she thought in most cases [13:30] <cloudpic> That's an interesting possibility, chocolate, I'd not thought of Dumbledore as being so indirect... until this book... so it fits [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> Who came up with the idea of a High Inquisitor? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:30] <cloudpic> He wasn't direct with Harry at all in OotP [13:30] <Expelliarmas> yes, the Ministry and Voldemort want to control young minds [13:30] <JaneMarple9> umbridge aims to get dumbledores job i think [13:30] <nympheart> Umbridge [13:30] <Aislinn> I agree that she wants control - by controlling Hogwarts, she is controlling the information that shared with the students [13:30] <becky920> IntI'm sure it was Umbridge [13:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think Umbridge was just a tool [13:30] <Expelliarmas> I think Umbridge suggested it to Fudge [13:30] <Pleshette> that's quite a chance he'd be taking chocolate...leaving the fate of the school in Harry's hands so to speak [13:30] <JaneMarple9> either umbridge or fudge [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was mostly the Toad's idea, and Fudge concurred. [13:30] <cbm> Fudge or Malfoy would be my guess [13:30] <cloudpic> I'd bet on it... though I'm sure she convinced Fudge he'd thought of it himself. [13:31] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [13:31] <Aislinn> yes, she probably suggested it to Fudge [13:31] <nympheart> I agree expie [13:31] <Spectre> Umbridge as a tool? Malfoy's? [13:31] <Kneazly> Got to go, back soon I hope. [13:31] <nympheart> hi fw [13:31] *** Kneazly left #lounge [] [13:31] <cbm> hi fw! [13:31] <futureweasley> sorry I'm late [13:31] <Expelliarmas> chances are good Lucius agreed with the idea [13:31] <Pleshette> Hi future! [13:31] <becky920> test [13:31] <Expelliarmas> heya, fw [13:31] <becky920> She probably made Fudge think it was his idea, but it's more likely hers [13:31] <JaneMarple9> hi there future [13:31] <cloudpic> Malfoy does use people... she'd not have to be a Death Eater to be used by one [13:31] <bemused> Malfoy has tried to get Dumbledore out before... [13:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> umbridge is being used by the ministry - I think the ministry is just using her thirst for power to dethrone Dumbledore [13:31] <becky920> Is she under the Imperius curse or acting on her own? [13:31] <bemused> Her own [13:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> own lol [13:31] <JaneMarple9> acting on her own [13:31] <Pleshette> her own [13:32] <Spectre> I think she's on her own [13:32] <cbm> Acting on her own [13:32] <Questauthor> But I still think the reason is to get Hogwarts under MoM control [13:32] <cloudpic> Malfoy lost his position on Hogwarts board of governors... maybe this was his way of keeping some control? [13:32] <Expelliarmas> Umbridge acts on her own, she doesnt need any help [13:32] <Aislinn> I think that umbridge has demonstrated initiative in taking control(dementors) and this is just another such step [13:32] <bemused> She's too foul to need imperius-ing [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, bemused. [13:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree, questauthor [13:32] <MrMcGonagall> LOL [13:32] <Aislinn> I don't think she needs anyone else to push her control agenda [13:32] <JaneMarple9> nobody could impersonate Umbridge - no one is evil enough!! [13:32] <cloudpic> It's a huge step... the Ministry has never controlled Hogwarts in hundreds of years' history [13:32] <JaneMarple9> except Voldie of course [13:32] <cbm> She is doing what she thinks is in Fudge's interests, but Fudge is being directed by Malfoy, so she is acting in the DEs interest [13:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I liked that we finally got a villian who wasn't working for Voldemort... it was a nice change to the norm [13:33] <JaneMarple9> the MOM have always wanted conreol of Hogwarts [13:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *from the norm [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Umbridge inspects three different classes, Divination, Transfiguration, and CMC. What do you think about her different inspection techniques in each instance? (Chamber 29) [13:33] <Spectre> I think it was triggered by Dumbledore's words at Harry's trial [13:33] <Moriah> back ... and well said cbm! [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Umbridge inspects three different classes, Divination, Transfiguration, and CMC. What do you think about her different inspection techniques in each instance? (Chamber 29) [13:33] <JaneMarple9> very good. Trelawnley was frightened of umbridge [13:33] <Expelliarmas> well, in Divinitation she has nothing but disdain for Trelawney and it shows [13:33] <nympheart> she wanted to intimidate Trelawney, and did a good job of it [13:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Hahaa, her inspection of McGonagall gave me another reason to adore McGonagall [13:33] <cloudpic> The less confidant the teacher... the more invasive she was [13:33] <JaneMarple9> she let umbridge over-ryle her [13:33] <Aislinn> She knows how to go for the jugular - to exploit weaknesses [13:33] <bemused> In Transfigurations he doesn't really have a technique - it's wonderful [13:33] <nympheart> but McG made her look like a fool [13:34] <futureweasley> she's going after the people closest to Dumbledore...or the ones she believes she can find fault in [13:34] <Expelliarmas> in McGonagall, it seemed like the Toad was afraid of McGonagall, and it showed. A direct attack would not work there [13:34] <Moriah> We also heard about her inspection of Charms. Sounds like she got along fine with Flitwick [13:34] <cbm> She is being a bully and attacking the weak [13:34] <Questauthor> I love Minerva in this chapter [13:34] <JaneMarple9> while grubbly-plank wasn't intimated by umbridge - she wasn't bothered what umbridge wrote [13:34] <nympheart> I love Minerva in this book [13:34] <Questauthor> Plus Minerva is assistant Head Mistress [13:34] <Expelliarmas> In CMC, she's fishing for information [13:34] <Aislinn> McGonagall is not weak, so she could not use her usual weapons [13:34] <futureweasley> I agree nymph, McG put Umbridge though her paces, and it was awesome [13:34] <Questauthor> Need to get her out of the way so the stairway to the tower is open, so to speak [13:34] <cloudpic> Flitwick doesn't let anything get to him.... [13:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well, it's why McG was attacked by ministry officials so quickly later in the book, i think. Umbridge hated her [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> McG is the one who turned the tables and intimidated the Toad. [13:34] <JaneMarple9> but Minevra - she dealt with it in her own unique way [13:34] <Moriah> Exaclty, Quest [13:34] <Questauthor> He's an even keel, our flitwick [13:34] <cloudpic> But Minerva lost her temper and her composure a bit [13:34] <JaneMarple9> I love the way Pro. McGonagall dealt with it [13:35] <Aislinn> she was awesome [13:35] <Questauthor> She has no tolerance for stupidity [13:35] <Spectre> In CMC, Umbdirge's also having some prejudices against Hagrid as a "half-blood" [13:35] <Moriah> Yeah, very true cloudpic [13:35] <futureweasley> yes cloudpic, she did...very un-Minerva ish [13:35] <Expelliarmas> ah, but that's what made it so cool for me, cloudpic; she did lose her temper [13:35] <becky920> She got mad, but she still didn't lose control [13:35] <Aislinn> put Umbridge right in her place [13:35] <JaneMarple9> She lost her temper Cloud? I think she controlled it reasonably well [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know, future. McG can be pretty snippy. [13:35] <Expelliarmas> it made McG seem more human to me [13:35] <Spectre> *Umbridge, that is [13:35] <cloudpic> As did I, someone needed to show the students that the teachers weren't all under Umbridge's thumb [13:35] <JaneMarple9> umbridge deserved putting in her place [13:35] <Moriah> I think she lost it a bit. But she's has a fiery personality [13:35] <Questauthor> But Minerva is snippy in even a casual convo [13:35] <cbm> I think she was just a little impatient [13:35] <Expelliarmas> i was glad it was in a roomful of gryffindors [13:35] <becky920> Well, she is a Gryffindor. [13:35] <futureweasley> Umbridge is a bit of a square peg in a round hole at Hogwarts...her place is rightfully outside the castle gates [13:35] <Questauthor> I didn't see it as a huge departure from her normal composure [13:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she's brave and true during that inspection, and is really showing her colors as the head of Gryffindor [13:35] <Aislinn> i think she was exerting her control over her classroom - I didn't see it as losing control at all. [13:35] <becky920> I don't think she was going to take Umbridge sitting down. [13:36] <JaneMarple9> and yes expel - it made McGonagall somebody to look up too [13:36] <Spectre> It's interesting what House was Umbridge when she studied at Hogwarts. Slytherin? [13:36] <Aislinn> She was pointing out the rules of her class, and that Umbridge was not exempt from them. [13:36] <JaneMarple9> I really loved Minevra in this chapter [13:36] <Questauthor> oooo good question! [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> How did you feel about Trelawney's inspection? Did it make you sympathize with Sybill? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:36] <Expelliarmas> no one knows, spectre [13:36] <cbm> She was also doing a fine juob of teaching! [13:36] <JaneMarple9> she's got to be slytherin yes! [13:36] <JaneMarple9> yes a little [13:36] <Questauthor> I had a hard time because I think sybil is a right old fraud, but I hated how Umbridge humiliated her [13:36] <Moriah> I don't know. She's very loyal. Could be a Hufflepuff [13:36] <futureweasley> I actually did sympathize with Trelawney [13:36] <bemused> Yes - poor Trelawney [13:36] <becky920> I think Trelawney would have come off better if she stood by her original "I'm not going to see on command" stance [13:36] <Questauthor> No one deserves to be humiliated [13:36] <Expelliarmas> I didn't feel badly for Trelawney; she really is a fraud [13:36] <Aislinn> I disliked Umbridge's treatment of Trelawney [13:36] <Pleshette> I did sympathize with her a bit because the inspection was so unfair [13:37] <bemused> I wouldn't normally say it, but... [13:37] <nympheart> I did feel bad for her, she doesn't know her subject properly, but she didn't deserve to be treated like that, Trelawney's not a bad person [13:37] <Questauthor> I agree becky [13:37] <JaneMarple9> but she let umbridge get the better of her - she let umbridge get the upper hand [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> Trelawney just doesn't have McG's backbone. [13:37] <cloudpic> She didn't inspect her teaching, she bullied her [13:37] <Questauthor> well, gotta go supervise pool swimming, folks. Later! [13:37] <futureweasley> well put, MrMcG [13:37] <nympheart> bye quest [13:37] <Expelliarmas> that's the problem, she has no nerve [13:37] <becky920> Bye, Questauthor! [13:37] <Expelliarmas> bye Quest [13:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I feel bad for her overall... the fact that she believes she was hired because of her skill when she was only truly hired by DD to keep her safe from Voldemort, because of the prophecy [13:37] <Moriah> Later Quest! [13:37] *** Questauthor has quit [Bye] [13:37] <cloudpic> That demand to produce a prediction was nasty. [13:37] <Pleshette> she's a fraud yes, but she didn't deserve to be treated that way [13:37] <futureweasley> there is no love lost between Trelawney and Umbridge [13:37] <bemused> the biggest mistake Trelawney made was to try to prophecy on demand [13:37] <Moriah> I agree, Pleshette [13:37] <JaneMarple9> she let umbridge bully her and umbridge more or less called her a fraud [13:37] <Aislinn> yes, bemused [13:37] <Aislinn> She stood have stood her ground [13:37] <cbm> I felt sorry for Trelawney, and I think that Trelawney is scared of being called a fraud, so Umbridge hit her fears [13:37] <Spectre> Maybe, Umbridge already had someone for the Divination position and wanted to get rid from Trelawney as soon as possible? [13:38] <becky920> I think Harry and Ron are funny, feeling sorry for her until she piles on the tragic predictions [13:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, cbm [13:38] <futureweasley> I used to feel that way, too, Pleshette...but HBP kind of turned me around about Trelawney [13:38] <cloudpic> It showed up Trelawney's own doubt in her abilities [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> Umbridge was deliberately trying to intimidate. [13:38] <nympheart> yes, cbm, she knows she's not as great as Cassandra [13:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> brb [13:38] <JaneMarple9> trlawnley isn't the best seer in the world...but she has her moments! [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> This was more than mere observation [13:38] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [13:38] <JaneMarple9> hi sophia [13:38] <Expelliarmas> Umbridge was enjoying the humiliation and intimidation she was inflicting on Trelawney [13:38] <futureweasley> it was a literal witch hunt [13:38] <Sophia40> Hi all! [13:38] <nympheart> hi sophia [13:38] <cloudpic> She was right in saying prophecy doesn't work on demand... bu [13:38] <cbm> I think she is a seer, but just does not understand her powers and overplays them [13:38] <becky920> I think she occasionally has kernels of truth she lets out. You just have to look for them. She sees, but she misinterprets what shesees [13:38] <Pleshette> Oh I don't like Trelawney at all future, I just thought it was awful for Umbridge to demand that she precict something on demand [13:38] <cloudpic> Yes, it reminded me of scenes from Arthur Miller's Crucible [13:38] <Expelliarmas> that's true, MrM, it was beyond an observation to an examination [13:39] <JaneMarple9> great comparison future! [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> She was trying to trip Trelawney up. [13:39] <Pleshette> SHe was trying to humiliate Trelawney, in front of students no less [13:39] <JaneMarple9> yes that was unfair pleshette [13:39] <bemused> that's the hideous thing with Umbridge - the pleasure she displays when someone else is squirming [13:39] <Pleshette> that's very unprofessional [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> Hem, hem, what did you think of the face-off between McGonagall and Umbridge? Do you agree with Harry that McGonagall shouldn't have lectured him about losing his temper when she was unable to curb her own temper? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:39] <Aislinn> yes, it is truly execrable behavior [13:39] <Expelliarmas> and the Toad was enjoying the impact on Trelawney. It was unseemly. [13:39] <JaneMarple9> I am not keen on trelawnley but there was no need to embrass her in front of the class [13:39] <cloudpic> The title Inquisitor harkens back to a rather ugly time in European history, no? [13:39] <cbm> Could her need to do this be caused by the fact that she was hired by DD? [13:40] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think McG really lost it. [13:40] <Aislinn> I don't either Mr M [13:40] <cbm> lag [13:40] <becky920> I'm not sure McGonagall totally did lose her temper. She got mad, yes... but she still was in control. When Harry lost it, he totally blew his top. [13:40] <nympheart> well, McG did show more control than Harry, even if she may have gotten mad [13:40] <Spectre> Yes, the title was chosen deliberately, I think [13:40] *** Sophia40 has quit [Bye] [13:40] <Pleshette> No there's a difference between the way Harry lost it and McG's anger [13:40] <bemused> But I'd say McG did keep her temper [13:40] <Aislinn> She was setting firm limits, as she always does [13:40] <cloudpic> I think she'd rather have been serene on the surface. [13:40] <bemused> She totally wrong-footed Umbridge and it was brilliant! [13:40] <MrMcGonagall> She put the Toad firmly in her place, she didn't scream at her. [13:40] <Expelliarmas> Well, McG did let her temper get the better of her. I mean offering the Toad a cough drop and saying no one speaks when she does [13:40] <Pleshette> I agree mr.mcg [13:40] <cloudpic> Her facial expressions etc. let everyone know she was ruffled. Harry saw it. [13:40] <cbm> I think that McG is in a position to defend herself, where Harry can't [13:40] <JaneMarple9> she was excellent! [13:40] <Spectre> A funny fact - "Inquisitor" was translated to a mere "Inspector" in Russian [13:40] <Aislinn> I don't see her as being someone who strives for serene cloudpic [13:40] <Pleshette> hee hee that line was great expie [13:41] <becky920> Really? That's odd, spectre [13:41] <JaneMarple9> It made me respect Prof. McGonagall even more [13:41] <Moriah> I think she was ready for Umbridge and she handled it well but I also think that she let her anger show [13:41] <bemused> Yes, Expie, but that controlled put-down with the cough drop is so much more effective than Harry's shouting [13:41] <Expelliarmas> but then, McG doesn't have to scream to make her point [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> In a battle of wills with McG, the Toad doesn't stand a chance. [13:41] <Aislinn> that wasn't losing her temper, expie, it was keeping the control. [13:41] <JaneMarple9> "Cough Drop Dolores" Classic line [13:41] <Expelliarmas> Harry hasn't reached that point [13:41] <cloudpic> Goodness, Spectre, that really is different! [13:41] <becky920> McGonagall outsmarted her. Plus it was her turf -- Umbridge was really being rude, and she let her know it. [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, you see just enough of McG's temper to see it boiling beneath the surface, but she doesn't explode. [13:42] <Aislinn> It was pointing out unacceptable behavior on Umbridge's part [13:42] <Aislinn> McG does not suffer fools gladly. [13:42] <nympheart> true expie, Harry's lack of maturity keeps him from being able to handle things like McG [13:42] <Expelliarmas> "I can hardly wait." great line [13:42] <Moriah> Was the cough drop line in this chapter? I was looking for it and I think I missed it... [13:42] <becky920> bingo, Aislinn [13:42] <JaneMarple9> it is the way Dumbledore should had dealt with Umbridge the night of the welcoming feast [13:42] <cloudpic> No, she certainly doesn't explode or we'd have seen a transformation... literal toad? [13:42] <JaneMarple9> but in his own unique way [13:42] <Spectre> The "cough drop" line was somewhere later in the book [13:42] <Moriah> ok, thanks, Spectre [13:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha cloudpic [13:42] <cbm> I thought it was in the career conference [13:42] <JaneMarple9> yes i think it was the "future carrers" part [13:42] <Aislinn> I think the cough drop line was during Harry's career thing [13:42] <Spectre> When Harry chooses his future career [13:43] <becky920> *snort* cloudpic... good point. We know McGonagall doesn't believe in transfiguration as punishment, though [13:43] <cloudpic> Rather like the bouncing ferret...hopping toad (I'd have liked that, quite) [13:43] <Moriah> Ah, I think you're right cbm! [13:43] <JaneMarple9> when harry aims to be a auror! [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> Is it a coincidence that Umbridge often inspects classes Harry is in? (Chamber 29) [13:43] <Expelliarmas> the cough drop was in the career counseling chapter [13:43] <cbm> No [13:43] <Aislinn> I don't think so [13:43] <JaneMarple9> oh so would i cloud! [13:43] <nympheart> I don't think it's a coincidence at all [13:43] <becky920> No, I think that's absolutely by design. [13:43] <cbm> It happens way too often [13:43] <nympheart> she's just trying to get him in more trouble [13:43] <Aislinn> I think she is keeping an eye on him and how the teachers interact with him [13:43] <JaneMarple9> no coincidence at all! [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> I think she wants to observe Harry as much as possible. Her reasons for the inspections are two-fold. [13:43] <bemused> I think we only see those because Harry is in them - she inspects others too [13:43] <Aislinn> As she sees him as a central threat [13:43] <becky920> On the face of it, she's inspecting "OWL level" classes, which are important. But she also gets to spy on Harry. [13:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> no, but we do hear of her inspecting the class of the weasley's... could it be the ministry is spying on ALL the weasleys? [13:43] <Expelliarmas> I think it is on purpose, to try and goad Harry into losing his temper [13:43] <cloudpic> No, I don't think it's a coincidence... she's at Hogwarts partly to watch Harry and his "truth" speaking [13:43] <JaneMarple9> once maybe but three times in one day?????? [13:43] *** janieb has joined #lounge [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, Becky. [13:43] <Expelliarmas> heya janieb [13:44] <Spectre> Did she ever [13:44] <nympheart> hi janieb [13:44] <Spectre> "inspect" the Muggle studies, Astronomy or Ancient Runes? [13:44] <Spectre> Or Arithmancy, for that matter [13:44] <cbm> Probably [13:44] <becky920> We don't know since Harry hasn't told us. [13:44] *** janieb has quit [Bye] [13:44] <Expelliarmas> I don't think the Toad ever made it to inspecting history of magic [13:44] <bemused> We've never 'sat in' on any of those classes [13:44] <cloudpic> She must have done, but Harry's our "eyes" in the book [13:44] <JaneMarple9> she must had been busy "inspecting" [13:44] <Aislinn> I think she uses the inspections for a number of purposes - to determine who is on the Ministry's side, who is on Harry's side, and to try to goad Harry [13:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she inspected the twins class... do we know which subject it was? [13:44] *** janieb has joined #lounge [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> Charms [13:44] <JaneMarple9> she probably concentrated on the classes Harry was in [13:45] <Expelliarmas> we know she did charms, because the twins told us [13:45] <Spectre> Hermione could've told about Arithmancy inspection, but she didn't, so Umbridge probably didn't [13:45] <Moriah> I think she wanted to fire as many people as possible too ... that's another layer to it [13:45] <bemused> She probablly wouldn't inspect History because he's a ghost [13:45] <JaneMarple9> but a few where the weasleys were in - try and get some dirt of Arthur too [13:45] <janieb> hello! [13:45] <cloudpic> I agree, Expie... she didn't head for the NEWT level classes first thing either [13:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey janie [13:45] <Pleshette> Hi janie! [13:45] <JaneMarple9> hello janie [13:45] <bemused> he'd be oblivious to the whole thing [13:45] <becky920> Well, she seems to single out Fred and George, in addition to Harry, so maybe it's them. [13:45] <Nimthiriel> And What could they possibly learn about in History that would be harmful to the ministry, if DD was trying to teach them how to fightt [13:45] <becky920> She probably knows they're up to something. [13:45] <cbm> I would love to see a scene with her talking to Binns about the inspection, she would probably think it was the perfect class [13:45] * becky920 snores [13:46] *** princessmela has joined #lounge [13:46] <Aislinn> she does seem to recognize that the Weasleys are loyal to Dd and Harry, so is out for them as well. [13:46] <JaneMarple9> well f & g are known trouble makers! [13:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> do you think Percy might have asked her to keep an eye on them? ohhh, that'd kill me [13:46] <nympheart> hi mela [13:46] <Pleshette> Hi princessmela! [13:46] <princessmela> Hi [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> Does anyone else think it's odd that in Hermione's 5th year she is still unaware of the grading scale? Wouldn't these be the same grades they'd been receiving on their exams since they started at Hogwarts? (Chamber 007). [13:46] <JaneMarple9> hello mela [13:46] <JaneMarple9> not all that suprising [13:46] <Pleshette> Oo chocolate that's a possibility [13:46] <Moriah> I think Percy might have been asked, choc ... and it is a credit that he didn't [13:46] <Aislinn> i would think she would have learned it from Howats a History, before she ever arrived [13:46] <becky920> I'm guessing the OWLs are marked differently, just like the ACT and SAT are scored much differently than the typical ABCDF scale [13:46] <Expelliarmas> or maybe it just took Jo this long to come up with a grading scheme [13:46] <JaneMarple9> they are the first really really big exams [13:46] <princessmela> I figured that they would be in Hogwarts: A History [13:46] <nympheart> Snape said he graded like OWLs for that one essay, so apparently it's different [13:46] <Spectre> I think the only marks Hermione ever got were Outstanding [13:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha i thought it was odd, but i was like "well, it had to be explained to the readers, and Hermione would be the most interested" [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> It's a tough sort of thing to work into the story at any point. [13:47] <cbm> I think it is odd, but I really think that was just JKR telling us the scale, much like we learned to pronounce her name in GoF [13:47] <JaneMarple9> we have heard about Percy taking his OWLs and NEWTs [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, cbm [13:47] <cloudpic> I thought perhaps the OWLs were marked differently? [13:47] <Aislinn> I agree, cbm [13:47] <princessmela> Perhaps, they are kept a secret of sorts [13:47] <Spectre> So she didn't know about "Awful", "Troll" etc [13:47] <Pleshette> brb [13:47] <Moriah> brb again [13:47] <cloudpic> Oh, I like that, cbm [13:47] <becky920> Any Brits in here? Is there a similar exam or test at that same level of school? Does the grading scale compare to the OWL scale at all? [13:47] <cbm> I think troll was a joke, but a good one [13:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly, cbm [13:47] <JaneMarple9> it is a little like the way the British exams are graded - the O levels [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione has probably never seen anything but an "O" anyway. LOL [13:48] <cbm> lol [13:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> didn't harry get a T in history or astronomy on the official transcript? [13:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [13:48] <Spectre> Agree here, MrM [13:48] <Expelliarmas> Hermione would be crushed with anything less than Os [13:48] <becky920> I thought three failing grades was excessive [13:48] <MrMcGonagall> She knew that one, for sure [13:48] <bemused> Yes, Becky - 'O' levels are graded in A.B.C, type grades now [13:48] <JaneMarple9> I think she would have been disappointed with snapes grade [13:48] <Expelliarmas> well, maybe the 3 failing grades were on a scale to give hope [13:48] <JaneMarple9> might be her worse memory for book 5 [13:48] <princessmela> Did Harry get a "T" or was it just an unacceptable? [13:48] <becky920> I thought it was a poor or a dreadful [13:48] <bemused> NEWTS correspond to 'A'levels - which were always graded with letters [13:49] <nympheart> Harry got a D for History [13:49] <JaneMarple9> I think there really is "T" grade [13:49] <nympheart> maybe you should ask Crabbe and Goyle, Jane [13:49] <JaneMarple9> but probably stands for terrible [13:49] <princessmela> I was about to say the same thing nymph [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> What do you think about the idea of the students teaching themselves Defense? Is it wise? Would there have been a better alternative? Does it make you think of the French Resistance? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:49] <nympheart> lol [13:49] <cloudpic> Not a better idea in the book! [13:49] <JaneMarple9> very wise [13:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, no it's real! and it's troll! i'm looking at HBP... it defines the grades at the top of the transcript [13:50] <Aislinn> I think it was a reasonable solution to the problem of Umbridge [13:50] <cbm> It is the only way they will learn [13:50] <janieb> awesome! [13:50] <JaneMarple9> if umbridge isn't doing their job properly [13:50] <Aislinn> As they realized, they needed to learn to defend themselves any way they could [13:50] <Expelliarmas> I think it had a certain daring [13:50] <cbm> thank chocolate [13:50] <JaneMarple9> let harry do the job instead [13:50] <nympheart> the MoM didn't want them to think of defense with the "rumors" that LV was back [13:50] <cloudpic> Thanks, chocolate, that's wonderful [13:50] <Spectre> Practice was the only possible way to learn the defensive spells [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> I don't see any other option for them. [13:50] <Aislinn> It was also an important step for Harry, in becoming a leader [13:50] <becky920> I thought it was dangerous, but brilliant. The stakes are very high here, if they're caught [13:50] <bemused> It was a good idea - good for Harry too, delveloping his skills like that [13:50] <princessmela> I think it was all about keeping the kids in the dark. That turned out to be a bad thing [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> vive la resistance! [13:50] <JaneMarple9> daring yes reckless yes - but sensible too! [13:50] <cloudpic> I soo agree, Aislinn! That was vital [13:51] <bemused> Can't say it reminds me of the French Resistance, though... [13:51] <janieb> me too, Aislinn! [13:51] <JaneMarple9> the pupils have to learn how to defend themselves [13:51] <Expelliarmas> it was also very resourceful and a way for them to meet their own needs [13:51] <cloudpic> And it gave students outside Gryffindor a chance to see him in action [13:51] <princessmela> and the truth of it is..it wasn't just the MOM that was keeping them in the dark. Dumbledore and the order did it to! [13:51] <cloudpic> And, does it foreshadow House unity? [13:51] <JaneMarple9> yes cloud [13:51] <janieb> it was the first real coming together [13:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i thought it is human nature... that's why i think Dumbledore allowed Umbridge to come, because history shows that her actions would cause the students to unite [13:51] <JaneMarple9> showed them that harry wasn't mental! [13:51] <cbm> The french resistance would not have met in a pub where anyone could hear them [13:51] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, it may be an important step in that direction [13:51] <nympheart> it's also amazing what that ended up doing for Neville [13:51] <JaneMarple9> yes perhaps yes, houses uniting [13:51] <princessmela> I wonder if there were any Slytherins in the DA? [13:51] <becky920> Well, the French Resistance were a lot smarter about it, true -- but these are teenagers. [13:51] <Expelliarmas> none [13:51] <Aislinn> Harry is one who unites people - the opposite of his nemisis, who works to spread enmity and discord [13:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> there weren't, princess [13:51] <nympheart> nope, no Slytherins, mela [13:52] <JaneMarple9> no slytherins attending though were there - i wonder why! [13:52] <Spectre> No Slytherins were mentioned [13:52] <cloudpic> I don't think they invited any Syltherins [13:52] <bemused> I love the fact that Neville led the other kids into the Hogs Head [13:52] *** RudiusHagrid has joined #lounge [13:52] <JaneMarple9> [13:52] <nympheart> hi rudius [13:52] <Aislinn> they probably didn't know any/trust any well enough to include them [13:52] <Spectre> Maybe, Umbridge DID actually teach something to the Slytherins, privately? [13:52] <cloudpic> The other Houses don't know Syltherins well... so it'd be hard to trust them [13:52] * becky920 fangirls Neville [13:52] <RudiusHagrid> ello [13:52] <Expelliarmas> heya, rudius, long time no see [13:52] <princessmela> I think Blaise Zambini would have at least came to the meeting [13:52] <nympheart> maybe for her Inquisitorial squad, spectre [13:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if she was indirectly under orders from Lucius Malfoy, I'd totally see that happening, Spectre [13:52] <cloudpic> Only if she knew about it princess, and they likely didn't invite her [13:53] <princessmela> Isn't Blaise a guy [13:53] <Expelliarmas> yes [13:53] <cbm> Blaise is make [13:53] <becky920> I hate to do this but I need to run... it's naptime for a certain little boy at my house and I'm the enforcer! Carry on. [13:53] <cbm> male [13:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye becky! [13:53] <nympheart> bye becky [13:53] <Expelliarmas> bye becky [13:53] *** becky920 left #lounge [] [13:53] <Spectre> bye becky [13:53] <bemused> bye backy! This post has been edited by Expelliarmas: Apr 28 2007, 02:39 PM --------------------  All Aboard! |
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