ReadingGroup Corner Booth Transcript: May 5, 2007, Order of the Phoenix chapters 17-18 |
 May 5 2007, 01:20 PM
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[12:03] <Poet> Hi JaneMarple9 [12:03] <JaneMarple9> hello Fawkes! Hello Aislinn! Hello Poet! [12:03] <fawkes28> hey Jane [12:06] <Poet> Does anyone plan to go see Spiderman 3 this weekend? [12:06] <fawkes28> nope - i hate those movies - but thanks for asking smile [12:06] <JaneMarple9> I'm not a spiderman person...but I believe that the trailer is supposed to be shown right? [12:07] <Poet> right [12:08] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [12:08] <JaneMarple9> hi sooner! [12:08] *** cbm has joined #lounge [12:08] <JaneMarple9> hi cbm [12:08] <cbm> Hi everyone! [12:08] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [12:09] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [12:09] <fawkes28> hey cbm [12:09] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone [12:09] <cbm> we are quiet today smile [12:09] <SoonerGryffindor> ha! I just havent had enough coffee yet [12:09] <JaneMarple9> going to be a really busy chat! [12:10] <fawkes28> hey sooner [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> give me time, I will perk up [12:10] <cbm> hey fawkes [12:10] <fawkes28> me - quiet? i never hear those words in the same sentence [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> nope [12:10] <JaneMarple9> at least we will be able to get our points across! biggrin [12:10] <Aislinn> good afternoon, peeps! [12:10] <Poet> I have a bad stomach ache, so I'm having a little side conversation with my stomach right now. Hopefully it'll shut up soon and leave me to chat in peace smile [12:10] <cbm> I am only here for an hour today [12:10] <cbm> sad [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> awwwww [12:11] <SoonerGryffindor> that stinks [12:11] <cbm> I hope you feel better poet [12:11] <Poet> At least its a Saturday [12:11] <JaneMarple9> yay! Saturdays = great! [12:11] <fawkes28> yes, saturdays are awesome [12:12] * SoonerGryffindor stayed up way too late last night [12:12] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:12] <futureweasley> hi guys! [12:12] <cbm> It is a beautiful saturday here! That is why I am leaving in an hour, to enjoy rest of the day outside [12:12] <Poet> Hi futureweasley ! [12:12] <JaneMarple9> hey future [12:12] <futureweasley> it's a great day here, too! [12:12] <Poet> It is supposed to hit 85 here today [12:12] <futureweasley> Michigan summers are really something to behold [12:13] <JaneMarple9> too hot for me! [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> 85 is hot? [12:13] <futureweasley> 85 IS hot [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> no it is not [12:13] <cbm> it will be 75 here [12:13] <Poet> Its too hot for early May [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> its 75 here right now [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> almost time to turn on the AC [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I will if it gets to 80 [12:14] <fawkes28> warm weather is awesome [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> for the most part [12:14] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hey cloudpic [12:14] <futureweasley> hi cloudpic [12:14] <cbm> hey cloudpic! [12:14] <cloudpic> Hi, everyone! [12:15] <Aislinn> 85 is HOT [12:15] <cloudpic> Hope all's well with y'all [12:15] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [12:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [12:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to send you a private chat message. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the message that has been sent to you by that mod. [12:15] <Poet> You won't be able to reply to that message, but if you could just say something like "Poet, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:15] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:15] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:15] <SoonerGryffindor> The Toad knows what’s happening and has taken steps to block them. Hermione knows no one ratted them out. Hedwig shows up in class — she’s been roughed up. Sirius wants a meeting. Neville tries to pummel Draco. Umbridge inspects Potions. Sirius knew about the DADADA — through Dung. Molly thinks it’s a bad idea. Umbridge almost catches Sirius. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Sirius approves of their rule-breaking secret society. Harry and Ron have Quidditch practice. Harry realizes he’s getting Voldemort mood flashes. Instead of doing homework, he falls asleep and dreams of corridors. Dobby tidies Gryffindor alone because of Hermione. He knows a place for their DADADA meeting. They practice *Expelliarmus*! [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Thanks to Chamber 29 and Chamber 88 for the introduction. Ready? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 17 and 18. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> . Does Neville’s attempt to physically attack Malfoy when he hears a particularly hurtful (to him) insult seem in character to you? (Chamber 88) [12:16] <JaneMarple9> firstly ((((Cloudpic)))) [12:16] <cbm> Yes, I can not imagine how that must of sounded to him, and I think was directed at him [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> It didnt at first, but looking back, it does [12:17] <JaneMarple9> when I first read OotP for the first time, I thought it was out of character [12:17] <cloudpic> Hey, Jane! Your favorite... Neville! I wasn't surprised... Neville has shown himself to be willing to be physical before [12:17] <futureweasley> it's not in character...but it goes to show that people change [12:17] <JaneMarple9> Oh yes cloud! [12:17] <cloudpic> And this was a really awful insult [12:17] <futureweasley> yes it was...everybody has a breaking point [12:17] <JaneMarple9> Neville begins to stand up to himself in this chapter [12:17] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Neville fought with Crabbe and Goyle in first year [12:17] <cbm> I agree sooner, the first time I read it I wondered what was happening [12:17] <JaneMarple9> its the turning point [12:17] <cloudpic> Neville was willing to stand in harm's way (the Trio) even in PS/SS [12:18] <futureweasley> I think that Neville may have also felt more comfortable with the Trio standing beside him [12:18] <JaneMarple9> I wondered why draco's insults were so hurtful to him [12:18] <cloudpic> Remember the things done to Neville by his family to test his wizard talent? That was physical...he's been hurt [12:18] <SoonerGryffindor> it was a bit disconcerting at first though. I was like "Wha?" [12:18] <futureweasley> I wish that Neville would have mangled Malfor, personally [12:18] <JaneMarple9> nice point future [12:18] <futureweasley> *Malfoy [12:18] <JaneMarple9> oh yes [12:18] <Aislinn> knowing what his parent's were going through, I can see why it pushed him over the edge [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I thought it was really cool that Harry/Ron had his back and were preventing him from getting the snot beat out of him [12:19] <cbm> I had to think about it, but at this point we do know where is parents are, or at least harry does [12:19] <JaneMarple9> yes, with the trio supporting him, I think it helped neville attack draco [12:19] <cloudpic> And I'm reasonably certain that Malfoy knew what he was saying [12:19] <futureweasley> it also speaks loads about Malfoy as a character. No heart, cold, calculating [12:19] <Aislinn> I bet he did, cloudpic [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Ron and Harry hold back Neville? [12:19] <Aislinn> He knows how to go for the jugular, verbally [12:19] <cloudpic> I'd guess Lucius or Auntie Bella have bragged a bit (horrible people) [12:19] <JaneMarple9> must had given the trio a suprise though! [12:19] <JaneMarple9> because they didn't want neville to be hurt [12:19] <cloudpic> To keep Neville safe from Umbridge's reaction [12:19] <Aislinn> because they didn't want him to be beaten to a pulp by the goons [12:19] <JaneMarple9> or get into trouble [12:19] <cbm> To keep Neville from getting into trouble and protect neville [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Ron held him back because Harry was. Ron was totally in shock [12:19] <Aislinn> and they didn't want him to get in trouble [12:19] <futureweasley> because they didn't want the retaliation of the Slytherins (or Snape) to be heaped upon Neville [12:20] <futureweasley> they were protecting [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, they were looking out for their mate [12:20] <cloudpic> I think it was the not getting in trouble more than anything else. [12:20] <JaneMarple9> there was crabbe and goyle to consider - they aren't pixies! [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Jane [12:20] <cloudpic> That's true... [12:20] <futureweasley> totally Jane [12:20] <futureweasley> I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of Crabbe or Goyle's fist [12:20] <cbm> but if punches had been thrown, I am sure the trio would have helped neville [12:20] <futureweasley> they are very "Dudders"esque [12:20] <JaneMarple9> and I would guarentee that Draco said what he said to provoke a retalation for either harry or neville [12:20] <Aislinn> i'm sure you're right, cbm [12:21] <cloudpic> Still it was Harry who grabbed Neville first... and he's been seeing the Umbridge detentions [12:21] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [12:21] <Aislinn> hi becky [12:21] <futureweasley> I don't think they wanted it to get down to that [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point cbm, and Harry could not afford any trouble at that time [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> hey becky [12:21] <becky920> hello, room! [12:21] <Poet> Spells are one thing, but its hard to help protect a fellow student in a fist fight with the likes of Crabbe and Goyle there [12:21] <JaneMarple9> they are nearly the same size yes future - eek! more duddikins on the loose sad [12:21] <cloudpic> Would have landed all the Gryffs in trouble [12:21] <futureweasley> big time [12:21] <JaneMarple9> hi becky [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> especally considering the Toad was observing that class [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Is this silent ALL CAPS NEVILLE episode the turning point for him or merely a marker in the path of his development? (Chamber 007). [12:22] <cloudpic> I'm glad Ron helped Harry [12:22] <futureweasley> a marker of his development [12:22] <JaneMarple9> harry decided having points docked from Gryffindor was better than the Slytherins getting the better of Neville [12:22] <cloudpic> LOL... love that expression! I think marker too [12:22] <JaneMarple9> Neville is developing [12:22] <futureweasley> seriously, he's changing, he's becoming more comfortable with who he is and what he's about [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> It just goes to show that a LOT of characters in this book were dealing with anger issues [12:22] <cbm> I am not sure, but I would say a marker if I had to choose [12:22] <Poet> Its a good reminder for us of his parents. It foreshadows getting to see them later in the Book. [12:22] <Aislinn> yeah, I think that all the events of a person's life shape them, and this is a step in his maturation [12:22] <becky920> Isn't that the truth, Sooner! [12:23] <Aislinn> good point, sooner [12:23] <JaneMarple9> I never considered Neville's troubles to be anger issues [12:23] <cloudpic> He's been growing more confidant and more willing to put himself in harm's way... remember he was first through the door at the Hogs Head [12:23] <futureweasley> even if it's not a "marker", I believe that Neville was more than justified in his actions [12:23] <SoonerGryffindor> For the first time, Neville is turning his feelings outwards instead of keeping them in and them hurting him [12:23] <JaneMarple9> but he had much anger issues than harry even more in a way [12:23] <becky920> I think if there was one way to provoke Neville, that was it...and he's finally willing to stand up for himself. [12:23] <cloudpic> That's true, now he must learn a method other than pounding the perp! [12:23] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [12:24] <JaneMarple9> it was the straw that broke the camels back [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved Neville in this scene [12:24] <becky920> I just want to hug him [12:24] <cbm> stubefy smile [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> he didnt stop to think that he would get beaten to a pulp [12:24] <cloudpic> I sort of expected a revelation from him at this point... but that he wasn't ready for [12:24] <futureweasley> I personally think that Neville is the hardest working wizarding student at Hogwarts...he will best people, if not via skills, through extra effort and committment [12:24] <JaneMarple9> sooner...I wanted to hug neville ever since he was introduced in book 1 [12:25] <cbm> If it would have happened in HBP, Neville would have been more than ready [12:25] <JaneMarple9> and as for the hospital scene..... sad [12:25] <becky920> I wonder if the sorting had had a Hufflepuff/Gryffindor debate for Neville, like it did Gryff/Slyth for Harry and Gryff/Raven for Hermione [12:25] <cloudpic> Indeed, future... you're absolutely right [12:25] <JaneMarple9> nice point becky [12:25] <cloudpic> Wasn't the Hat on his head quite a while? [12:25] <becky920> he works his little rear end off later, you know [12:25] <JaneMarple9> and neville was put in gryffindor for good reason [12:25] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [12:25] <Aislinn> it must have, becky - he has so many hufflepuff qualities [12:26] <cloudpic> Though I still contend it's not his innate ability but the borrowed wand and lack of confidence that holds Neville back [12:26] <JaneMarple9> all i remember that he ran off with it still on his head [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think Umbridge would have allowed the Gryffindor Quidditch team to re-form if McGonagall hadn’t intervened? (Chamber 29) [12:26] <becky920> I agree, cloudpic [12:26] <cbm> he will stand for what is right, and draco was very wrong here [12:26] <JaneMarple9> no chance [12:26] <futureweasley> absolutely not [12:26] <Poet> No, because she's a toady [12:26] <fawkes28> Nope - she wouldn't have [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> very doubtful [12:26] <becky920> No way [12:26] <cbm> No, because it is something that Harry wanted [12:26] <fawkes28> she could care less either way [12:26] <futureweasley> right cbm [12:26] <Aislinn> I think she would have dragged it out as long as possible [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> which really doesnt make sense. How could Slytherin have won the cup without all teams competing? [12:26] <Poet> I totally agree. She would hold it over them all year if possible [12:26] <cloudpic> She quickly filled that loophole in her powerplay though [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she would have let them reform, but the day before the first game [12:27] <JaneMarple9> and Yes! [12:27] <Aislinn> she was looking for any way she could to provoke Harry [12:27] <becky920> Maybe she would have forced them to reform with different players [12:27] <JaneMarple9> It says the hat took a long time sorting Neville [12:27] <cbm> Slytherin would not care how they won [12:27] <Aislinn> every time she got him angry, she could stomp on him and portray him as unbalanced [12:27] <cloudpic> Oh, that's interesting Sooner... that would have been especially nasty [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> no, I think she would have given them permission the night before the first game against Slytherin [12:27] <cbm> And slytherin would still lose [12:27] <becky920> That, or managed to get Harry kicked off even before he gave her a reason to [12:27] <JaneMarple9> to think I've read that book so many times and never noticed that! [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> then they officially would have been a team, but would have more than likely been beaten with no practices [12:28] <cloudpic> And if they won without incident, she'd have found some other excuse. [12:28] <becky920> I guess we didn't realize that early how important Neville would be, Jane [12:28] <JaneMarple9> oh umbridge really didn't wamt to let gryffindors play quidditch [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Umbridge give the Slytherin Quidditch team permission to re-form ASAP, but sat on the Gryffindors’ permission until Dumbledore got involved? Did she give the other teams permission right away, too? (Chamber 88) [12:28] <becky920> Because she's a nasty piece of work, that's why [12:28] <JaneMarple9> she definately has a grudge against harry [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> because Fudge was in Lucius's back pocket [12:28] <JaneMarple9> because she has slytherin qualities [12:28] <Poet> The Slytherins were better at kissing up to her. And because of Lucius [12:28] <cloudpic> Harry and his friends are Gryffs is the first bit [12:29] <cbm> I bet she dragged it out a day or 2, as people from the other teams were in the Hogshead [12:29] <becky920> She doesn't know how to do her job without making it a personal war [12:29] <JaneMarple9> and the slytherins seem friendly with her [12:29] <futureweasley> I'm sure that the ministry was trying to keep Lucius happy, as he was their personal financiare [12:29] <cloudpic> Yes, I'm convinced she's influenced by Lucius... perhaps that's how she pays for all her fluffy pink clothes. [12:29] <cbm> Friendly is putting it mildly [12:29] <SoonerGryffindor> logically she would have had to give at least one of the other teams permission to form. You cant have games with only 1 team [12:29] <JaneMarple9> Exactly - there is the Lucius prospect - Lucius is spending too much time in the MOM [12:29] <JaneMarple9> (and sorry for caps!) [12:29] <cloudpic> Odd, though, she and Snape aren't at all "chummy" [12:29] <becky920> Lucius is a nasty piece of work, too [12:30] <JaneMarple9> hmmm yes cloud [12:30] <Aislinn> I think she was a slytherin when she was at school [12:30] <cloudpic> And he's Slyth's Head of House [12:30] <JaneMarple9> never seen it like that [12:30] <becky920> Well, not yet, cloudpic -- I think she's not sure yet whose man Snape is [12:30] <JaneMarple9> oh aislinn she had to be [12:30] <Poet> Yes, I don't think he's controlling her by spell, but that he's simply had a long-standing relationship with the MoM, including Umbridge by default [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> No boys allowed in girls’ dorm; how is it that neither Harry nor Ron knew about this in all their years at Hogwarts? And did anyone else imagine Ron’s arms flailing as the steps turned to a slide beneath him? (Chamber 88) [12:30] <cbm> The chain is Voldemort -> Lucius -> Fudge -> The Toad, so I think most of this comes from above Fudge [12:30] <cloudpic> Oh, good point Becky... she's been warned off, perhaps [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed Clark [12:30] <cloudpic> LOL... that was a priceless scene [12:30] <becky920> They've never read Hogwarts, a History, of course! smile [12:30] <JaneMarple9> umbrage always favoured slytherins when she could [12:31] <cloudpic> The boys just hadn't tried before [12:31] <fawkes28> this was a funnt scene [12:31] <cloudpic> LOL Becky!! [12:31] <Aislinn> it was quite a funny picture [12:31] <JaneMarple9> great scene! [12:31] <becky920> If they'd read it, they'd know. [12:31] <fawkes28> i would think that fred and george have tried it but i am glad that Jo has the boys fine it out for themselves [12:31] <JaneMarple9> harry and ron never had reason to go upstairs to find hermione [12:31] <becky920> Although it is a double-standard that Hermione can be in their dorm [12:31] <cbm> I would read Hogwarts, a History! [12:31] <Poet> Reminded me of Man of La Manche - his arms were like windmills, I believe. [12:31] <cloudpic> We needed a truly slapsticky funny moment by then [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is such a funny picture [12:31] <JaneMarple9> they always waited for hermione in the dining room [12:32] <futureweasley> that's one of my favorite moments [12:32] <Poet> Its a wonderful image. [12:32] <JaneMarple9> Whats the betting Fred and George have tried it and they won't admit to nobody? smile [12:32] <becky920> I don't get why it doesn't work both ways. [12:32] <futureweasley> seriously...to see those boys taking a tumble down the slide of stairs...what great mental imagery [12:32] <cloudpic> And another chance for us to see all the protections built-in to Hogwarts castle [12:32] <becky920> No one should be allowed in anyone else's dorms, period. [12:32] <Poet> I agree becky920 [12:32] <JaneMarple9> agreed Becky [12:32] <cbm> Because girls are more trustworthy, isn't that what Hermione says [12:32] <JaneMarple9> the dormies should be protected [12:33] <Aislinn> yes, and it's not uncommon, from the earlier days [12:33] <cloudpic> Yeah... but Hermione was right, the rule made in another less conscious time [12:33] <becky920> She says the founders thought they were... but honestly... I don't think girls are more trustworthy at all. [12:33] <Poet> True, but Hermione seems to be able to waltz in there whenever [12:33] <JaneMarple9> horrible thought to imagine Voldemort loose in the dormatories! [12:33] * becky920 tries not to picture Voldie in his footie pajamas [12:33] <Poet> I see what you mean cloudpic [12:33] <JaneMarple9> ah but Hermione is the brightest wizard for her age [12:33] <JaneMarple9> she has intelligence [12:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Is there anything to the fact that Binns — the professor of magical history — has NO idea who Harry is? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:34] <JaneMarple9> yes there is [12:34] <becky920> I think he's a right old fraud, that's what. [12:34] <JaneMarple9> he called Harry Perkins [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> That is so funny [12:34] <cbm> It jsut shows what an awful teacher he is! [12:34] <cloudpic> Poor Binns, he'd likely be able to tell the History of Harry, but doesn't know the reality of his students [12:34] <JaneMarple9> and Perkins is the man Arthur works with [12:34] <JaneMarple9> at the MOM [12:34] <Poet> Binns seems to remember just students from a long time ago and recycle those names [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an excellent observation cloudpic [12:34] <cloudpic> Is that where I heard the name, thanks Jane! [12:34] <becky920> It's like when Slughorn calls Ron, Rupert. [12:34] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> heya Expie [12:34] <Aislinn> he is living back in the days of history, not in the present day [12:35] <becky920> Hi, Expie! [12:35] <cloudpic> LOL, true Becky [12:35] <JaneMarple9> to me binns is too vague to teach [12:35] <Aislinn> he probably has no idea what is going on in the wizarding world that has continued on since he died [12:35] <cbm> I think his history lessons only go to the date of his death [12:35] <Expelliarmas> heya peeps [12:35] <JaneMarple9> he should be retired...if you can retire ghosts! [12:35] <JaneMarple9> hey expie [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Who intercepted Hedwig? How was it done? Was Hedwig actually intercepted? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:35] <cloudpic> That's a possibility, Aislinn, would be hard to keep up [12:35] <JaneMarple9> errr lets think! [12:35] <JaneMarple9> Umbridge....who else! [12:36] <cbm> I think the toad did it. [12:36] <futureweasley> I think it was Umbridge, or at least on Umbridge's orders [12:36] <cloudpic> I think she must have been intercepted... since the fireplace was searched by that nasty stubby fingered icky... [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I too think she was intercepted [12:36] <Expelliarmas> I don't know if Hedwig was actually captured, but if so it was Filch on Umbridge's orders [12:36] <cloudpic> Sorry... but how? [12:36] <JaneMarple9> of course umbridge intercepted her [12:36] <becky920> I think Filch tried to get her, and couldn't -- so Umbridge wound up doing the injury [12:36] <Aislinn> She was definitely intercepted [12:36] <cbm> I think she read the note and then put Harry under observation [12:36] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [12:36] <JaneMarple9> hedwig is a very significant owl [12:36] <cloudpic> Filch doesn't have magical ability and Mrs. Norris can't fly [12:36] <Expelliarmas> we do here about thestrals catching owls later on [12:36] <becky920> How else would she have wound up in the fire later? [12:36] <Poet> I think it was intercepted similar to how Dobby intercepted them. There must be a diversion spell set up somewhere - a diversion for only mail w/ Harry's name on it [12:36] <JaneMarple9> great becky! The dungbombs excuse! [12:36] <cbm> Hedwig does stand out in a crowd! [12:36] <cloudpic> Maybe she borrowed the Malfoy eagle owl? [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, it was mentioned in Room 18, the Hedwig was injured because Umbridge prbably used a spell against her [12:37] <Expelliarmas> yes another owl could have been used [12:37] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [12:37] <JaneMarple9> yes i can see a spell disorientating hedwig [12:37] <Aislinn> hi kaelgirl [12:37] <cbm> Or when she was caught, she had to fight for the letter [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> hi kaelgirl [12:37] <cloudpic> A spell? She's so inept I hadn't thought Umbridge could manage one [12:37] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [12:37] <kaelgirl> hey everyone [12:37] <JaneMarple9> smile good point cloud [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> If the Toad read Sirius’ note to Harry, why didn’t the Toad report the letter to the Ministry? Why did the Toad try to catch Sirius itself? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:37] * cloudpic sorry, I have an attitude about Dolores Jane [12:37] <becky920> Hi, fawkes [12:37] <becky920> Hi kaelgirl [12:38] <cbm> For the glory of it [12:38] <fawkes28> snuffles doesn't like me today [12:38] <Aislinn> for the same reason she took it on herself to send the Dementors after Harry [12:38] <futureweasley> I'm not sure that she was bright enough to realize it was from Sirius [12:38] <JaneMarple9> because it would be a triumph [12:38] <becky920> She wouldn't have had concrete proof until she caught him in the act [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think she was able to put it all together [12:38] <Expelliarmas> I think the Toad is looking for a bit of glory; it is a bit of a glory hound [12:38] <cloudpic> Hmmm... Perhaps she wanted to present it as a fait accompli? [12:38] <cloudpic> sorry about the spelling [12:38] <Poet> Right, she seems inept, but mail diversion spells sound like something the Ministry might have experience doing. She wants the glory for herself. [12:38] <JaneMarple9> she wants sirius back in jail - just like snape [12:38] <becky920> exactly [12:38] <Expelliarmas> the Toad wouldnt want to share any glory [12:38] <Aislinn> yes, cloud, i think that's just it [12:38] <cloudpic> And it's another way to get at Harry [12:38] <JaneMarple9> the person to catch sirius would get notirity [12:38] <fawkes28> all her motivation is self-centered [12:39] <becky920> I don't think Umbridge is inept at all, Poet [12:39] <cloudpic> I'd guess she still has to prove herself a bit [12:39] <JaneMarple9> and yes cloud connection to harry too [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, if she waits, then she catches Harry red-handed and he would for sure be expelled [12:39] <becky920> She knows exactly what she wants and how to do it. [12:39] <cbm> I think that she thought that catching Sirius would put her over the top, maybe put her in line to be the next minister [12:39] <Poet> She's been taking matters into her own hands because she thinks the MoM talks a lot but doesn't act (at least not as fast as she'd like) [12:39] <Expelliarmas> i dont find th eToad to be inept, machiavellian yes, inept no [12:39] <JaneMarple9> yes sooner she looks for any excuse to expell harry [12:39] <cloudpic> That's likely true, Poet... I hadn't thought about her impatience [12:40] <cloudpic> She wasn't too good at managing the twins' charmed tricks [12:40] <cbm> So she is good at politics, and horrible at actually doing things [12:40] <becky920> Machiavellian is exactly the word, Expie [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> What would have happened had the Toad actually caught Sirius in the fire? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:40] <JaneMarple9> ah that was weasley magic [12:40] <becky920> Yes, but I think that's more the twin's talent than her ineptitude [12:40] <JaneMarple9> totally different to deal with! [12:40] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [12:40] <cloudpic> I've wondered that? She'd have had a hold of just his head??? [12:40] <cbm> Sirius would have been killed and Harry would have been expelled [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> hello puzzlepieced [12:40] <fawkes28> i am sure that Sirius would have been able to get away somehow [12:40] <Puzzlepiece> hi [12:40] <becky920> Maybe she could have pulled herself into Grimmauld Place. [12:40] * becky920 shudders [12:40] <cbm> Kissed not killed [12:40] <JaneMarple9> sirius would be in jail before you could say abracadrbra [12:41] <cloudpic> Oh, how creepy... but surely they could have "handled" her at Grimmauld Place? [12:41] <Expelliarmas> I think there would have been a struggle and Sirius would have squashed the Toad [12:41] <Poet> She knows Crucio, right? I think she'd crucio'd him and called the dementors. [12:41] <JaneMarple9> she only had to see his face [12:41] <Expelliarmas> gotta go, bye peeps [12:41] <cbm> But Lucius does not want Sirius in jail, he would want him gone [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm still not sure that she would have caught him. He was communicating from a place under the Fidelius Charm [12:41] <Aislinn> that's an interesting question, becky - could she have, with it protected by the Fidelius charm? [12:41] <Poet> Though I like Expelliarmas ' idea better [12:41] <becky920> Dunno... scary thought [12:41] *** Expelliarmas left #lounge [] [12:41] <JaneMarple9> she could easily track him through the floo network [12:41] <cloudpic> It's not like the Wizarding World uses DNA evidence... grabbing his hair would have done her no good [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Could she really have tracked him though? I dont think so because of where he was coming from [12:42] <JaneMarple9> it would prove that he was around! [12:42] <JaneMarple9> umbridge has ways of finding out things [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> The twins showcase their latest skive box treat in the common room. Despite Hermione’s disgust at the puke-fest, no one can deny the effectiveness of the twin’s creation. Are they true geniuses of the magical world or merely the next P.T. Barnum, sideshow hucksters? (Chamber 007). [12:42] <cloudpic> I still shudder though at the image of that hand pawing around [12:42] <Aislinn> I think they are quite bright and creative [12:43] <JaneMarple9> both [12:43] <kaelgirl> I think that they're very ingenius [12:43] <Poet> Their creativity knows little bounds. [12:43] <JaneMarple9> they are very very inventive [12:43] <cloudpic> Geniuses. Really. They are able not just to use existing magic... but create new! [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> oh man! That scene makes my stomach turn every time [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to skip through it [12:43] <kaelgirl> lol sooner [12:43] <JaneMarple9> they have found their vocation in life [12:43] <fawkes28> they are definitely not sideshow material at all - they are highly creative [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> they are genius [12:43] <cloudpic> You've got too good a visualization ability, Sooner.. [12:43] <JaneMarple9> yes...a little too much detail Sooner! [12:43] <becky920> I'm a visual thinker, too, Sooner. [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> look at their family. Plenty of talent there [12:43] <fawkes28> traditional school is not meant for every child and there is nothing wrong with that at all [12:44] <JaneMarple9> and wait until we see it on screen...shudder!! [12:44] <cloudpic> That's what I find interesting though, about the twins... there seems to be very little change in the Wizarding World [12:44] <becky920> I think they've got a natural knack for sales, and a genius for invention... so... both hucksters AND bright. [12:44] <cbm> I really really really hope that scene in not in the movie [12:44] <kaelgirl> I agree becky [12:44] <cloudpic> Not too many new spells [12:44] <becky920> Oooh, I hope they skip that part on screen! [12:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet we dont have to see that [12:44] <JaneMarple9> they are extremely clever [12:44] <kaelgirl> they probably won't put it in the movie. Its filler [12:44] <cloudpic> Good point, Becky... market talent! [12:44] <cbm> I really hope we do not have to hear it [12:45] <Puzzlepiece> they are good at what they are interested in. They would probably have been the type to invent some earth-shattering invention if they were put up to it [12:45] <JaneMarple9> I am suprised that they didn't get so many OWLS [12:45] <cloudpic> You're right, kaelgirl [12:45] <becky920> Fainting fancies would be fine. Ixnay on the puking pastilles. [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> We learn the Hog’s Head barman has a long *memory* and Mundungus is on his bad side (has been for years...). What is the significance of this information? (Chamber 88) [12:45] <Aislinn> they did, with their defensive line puzzle [12:45] <Puzzlepiece> Nosebleed Nougats would work too [12:45] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> hello Spectre [12:45] <JaneMarple9> its foreshadowing [12:45] <cloudpic> Maybe so, Puzzlepiece... that's what seems to motivate... will help the War [12:45] <Spectre> hello all, did I miss anything? smile [12:45] <JaneMarple9> hi spectre [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> nope still more than an hour of chat to go [12:45] <fawkes28> a long memory is important for all of the events that happened in that bar [12:45] <kaelgirl> hi spectre [12:45] <Aislinn> it's interesting that both of them were members of the Order the first time around, yet are now on the outs [12:46] <JaneMarple9> only 45 minutes - 75 minutes to go! [12:46] <becky920> Memory -- a hint at the Pensieve? [12:46] <cloudpic> I'm sincerely hoping that Aberforth's "long memory" will be a source of info. for Harry... [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of last question: We learn the Hog’s Head barman has a long *memory* and Mundungus is on his bad side (has been for years...). What is the significance of this information? (Chamber 88) [12:46] <JaneMarple9> (not that I am counting or anything of course!) [12:46] <Puzzlepiece> well the barman is DD's brother, isn't he [12:46] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [12:46] <cloudpic> Surely Aberforth and Albus have had chats over the years [12:46] <becky920> Yes, Puzzle [12:46] <JaneMarple9> he is puzzle [12:46] <cbm> Yes, but we do not find that out until later [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> this is a great THIPS [12:46] <becky920> It'll be important to Harry later, when he needs to go looking for people who can help him puzzle out where the horcruxes are [12:46] <JaneMarple9> i am, sure that they have cloud [12:46] <JaneMarple9> couldn't agree more sooner [12:47] <becky920> Maybe the barman will give Harry some of his memories [12:47] <cloudpic> No... but the hint that he was his brother was pretty heavy handed... looked familiar, description similar, goat smell. [12:47] <Puzzlepiece> I don't think he is that intelligent nor close to his brother as DD is not sure if he can read [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder why he was talking with Dung a year later... [12:47] <cbm> The goat part in the bar was a great THIPS [12:47] <cbm> also [12:47] <cloudpic> I think Harry will learn things from Aberforth [12:47] <JaneMarple9> I am sure that when Hagrid brought Norbert, in there, Aberforth let his brother know [12:47] <Poet> Yes. I do wonder what Aberforth has against Dung. I love that Aberforth remembers things. I hope that comes into play in Book 7. [12:47] <kaelgirl> I agree cloud [12:47] <becky920> He looks like a dirtier, grumpier Dumbledore, doesn't he? [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> how funny is that [12:48] <JaneMarple9> yes poet....i want to know why dung didn't get along with albus [12:48] <JaneMarple9> sorry aberforth* [12:48] <Aislinn> yes, becky [12:48] <cloudpic> LOL.... I'm not sure, Jane, Aberforth may have the barman's code of honor: what comes to the Hogs Head, Stays in the Hogs Head [12:48] <Puzzlepiece> He tried to use inappropriate spells on goats. I can't see him being so vital if that is the description we have of him [12:48] <becky920> Maybe Dung was trying to make off with his bar glasses or something [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> *snort* [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> Mundungus was the witch under the veil. Was he still following Harry or was it just a coincidence that he was at the Hog’s Head? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:48] <becky920> Maybe he was trying to get bezoars for Snape. Accio bezoar! [12:48] <JaneMarple9> sort of thing dung would do! [12:48] <Puzzlepiece> Not if they are covered in dirt [12:48] <Spectre> I think he was [12:48] <Poet> He was for sure following [12:48] <JaneMarple9> of course he was following him [12:48] <cbm> Sirius said he was being followed [12:48] <becky920> Following... doesn't Sirius tell him that? [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> yep, Harry's own secret service [12:49] <Puzzlepiece> I believe so [12:49] <cloudpic> I suspect he was following from Sirius's comment about not having the invisibility cloak [12:49] <Spectre> Especially after his embarrassment at Privet Drive [12:49] <JaneMarple9> and he was following harry a little better than the beginning of the book [12:49] <becky920> Taking it more seriously, anyway [12:49] <Puzzlepiece> with the cauldron opportunioty [12:49] <Poet> Yes, and his witchyly appearance is tied to another mystery - the cloak being used by OotP members [12:49] <JaneMarple9> he had had his orders - don't loose harry again or else! [12:49] <cloudpic> If he had other business there... he might not have paid much attention to Harry and Co. [12:49] <JaneMarple9> he probably enjoyed visiting hogs head [12:49] <kaelgirl> he was definitely following him [12:50] <Puzzlepiece> I think he would go the other pubs around rather than risk his neck in there [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> We learn Molly is “on duty” for the Order from Sirius. Molly?!? What do you think she’s up to? Were you surprised? (Chamber 88) [12:50] <cloudpic> I hope no one hit on him... [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> ewwwwwwwww [12:50] <JaneMarple9> nice cloud! He might had more business in there too [12:50] <Aislinn> I think she was on guard duty [12:50] <becky920> Maybe they've finished fumigating Grimmauld Place and she's on to other duties [12:50] <cbm> Probably guarding the prophecy [12:50] <Puzzlepiece> Molly is one of the best characters in the books [12:50] <cloudpic> They have to use all their members to do that mysterious "guard duty" [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Aislinn [12:50] <JaneMarple9> of course she was on guard duty [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> what kills me about that is ROn's reaction to finding this piece of info out [12:51] <cloudpic> She's in the Order, she's a talented witch... I wasn't at all surprised that she'd take a turn [12:51] <JaneMarple9> the trio must had realised this [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> you can see the concern he had for his mother in this [12:51] <Puzzlepiece> But would she have the same duties as Sturgis Podmore, since DD knows how much her incapacitation would affect a lot of people [12:51] <cloudpic> I missed that, Sooner! [12:51] <JaneMarple9> if arthur was on guard sometimes why not molly [12:51] <JaneMarple9> yes ron is always protective of molly [12:51] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [12:52] <cbm> I think that molly would want to be treated like the rest of the order [12:52] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:52] <becky920> I wonder if she kept doing it after Arthur's injury [12:52] <Puzzlepiece> Molly is the matriarchal figure in the book. Her death would be more devistating than Arthurs [12:52] <JaneMarple9> everybody does cbm [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Arthur has always worked at the MoM, but to Ron his mother has never worked outside the home. [12:52] <cloudpic> Since the children are at school and safe... maybe the others were getting just too exhausted? [12:52] <JaneMarple9> woman are no different than men [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> wb Expie [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it shows just how short-handed they were [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> nothing against Molly [12:52] <JaneMarple9> well there are a few differences but you know what i mean! [12:52] <Expelliarmas> fyi, getting my hair done so i'll be in and out [12:52] <Puzzlepiece> I think she had other duties not necessarily guarding the DOM [12:52] <cloudpic> back in a bit [12:53] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [12:53] <becky920> exactly, Jane... in the wizarding world, there's equal opps for women for sure [12:53] <cbm> Puzzle, I do not think that Molly would allow herself to be protected by not doing her share [12:53] <Poet> it shows that the Weasleys are devoted to doing whatever is needed to help the Order [12:53] <SoonerGryffindor> . Sirius thinks the DADADA is a good idea. Molly thinks it’s not. Why the disagreement? (Chamber 29) [12:53] <Aislinn> agreed, poet [12:53] <JaneMarple9> yes they have to rely on everybody in the order no matter if man or woman [12:53] <JaneMarple9> the what Sooner? DADADA? smile [12:53] * becky920 can't help but think of that song, "da da da" [12:53] <Aislinn> well, it's right in character for both of them [12:53] <becky920> Defense against the Defense Against the Dark Arts [12:53] <Spectre> Sirius sees the DA as something Harry's father might have done [12:54] <Puzzlepiece> Because Molly is already stressed with half the family in the order and doesnt want anyone else in trouble with the Ministry [12:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I would have been shocked had Molly given her stamp of approval on it [12:54] <Puzzlepiece> and Harry needs to be kept safe [12:54] <Expelliarmas> Molly might see the bigger picture, what discovery could mean all the way around; Sirius maybe not so much [12:54] <cbm> Molly does not want her Bogart to come true by her youngest children learning to fight and wants to delay it, and Sirius is for anything that is against the current authorities [12:54] <becky920> Molly's super-protective of the people she sees as her family, understandably -- Voldemort murdered her brothers. [12:54] <Aislinn> Molly thinks that schoolwork is the most essential thing for the kids [12:54] <becky920> Sirius is eager to be doing something to thwart the Ministry [12:54] <JaneMarple9> because she wants her children to be safe - and harry and hermione are her surgogate children [12:54] <Puzzlepiece> Sirius is desperate to do anything involved [12:55] <Aislinn> Sirius would see it as a grand lark - doing something to thwart the idiots [12:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Molly still believes that the best way is to follow rules [12:55] <JaneMarple9> sirius, as he has done in this book, is confusing harry with james [12:55] <JaneMarple9> he thinks harry should be more like james was [12:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Is Hermione correct in thinking that Sirius’s enthusiasm is because he’s trying to “live through them?” Or does he genuinely think a secret defense group is a good idea? (Chamber 29) [12:55] <Expelliarmas> Molly worries about long term impact [12:55] <Poet> Its dangerous to do anything that the Ministry would look down on. Everyone is on edge, and since Arthur works for the Mom.... [12:55] <becky920> I think both, Sooner. [12:55] <JaneMarple9> he wants harry to act as james would have done [12:55] <cbm> I think it is both [12:55] <Poet> Sirius is a man of action and always has been [12:55] <Puzzlepiece> I think it is both. He agrees with the idea and he is living through them [12:56] <becky920> He does think they need to defend themselves, but he's probably a bit jealous [12:56] <JaneMarple9> yes sooner [12:56] <Spectre> Both [12:56] <JaneMarple9> sirius is living through Harry [12:56] <Expelliarmas> Sirius is living through them, but that's not a bad thing [12:56] <JaneMarple9> and he is confusing Harry with James all the same [12:56] <JaneMarple9> time* not same [12:56] <Poet> Sirius has always been a bit reckless and impatient. He doesn't always worry about the consequences of actions. He's brave, almost to a fault. [12:56] <Aislinn> I agree that it is probably both [12:56] <Expelliarmas> I don't know that he is confusing harry and james [12:56] <JaneMarple9> but sirius also approved of the DADA [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think the Toad likes Snape’s teaching? Is she looking for something else from him? (If that isn’t a loaded question, I don’t know what is ...) (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:57] <becky920> It is a bit unfair to Harry now and then, though -- in this instance it's OK, but in other instances Harry craves a godfather, and he gets a brother [12:57] <cbm> I think he just expects Harry to act like James as much as he looks like him [12:57] <JaneMarple9> it is the sort of thing he'd do [12:57] <Expelliarmas> he may be reliving some of his past through Harry though [12:57] <Expelliarmas> LOL! [12:57] <JaneMarple9> umbridge is unsure of snape [12:57] <fawkes28> i think sirius is trying to live through them - who can balme him [12:57] <JaneMarple9> what a question!! [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that the Toad was hesitant to make a decision on this [12:57] <becky920> I think Umbridge is trying to work out whose side Snape is on. [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [12:57] <fawkes28> if i was trapped in a house i would do the same thing [12:57] <Poet> I think she's hoping he'll be more like Filch in helping her [12:57] <cbm> A snape/toad ship gives me the chills [12:57] <JaneMarple9> couldn't have put it better becky [12:58] <becky920> She probably knew Malfoy trusted him, but wasn't sure since he was at Hogwart's if he was Dumbledore's man [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that there is where being Lucius's lapdog probably came in handy [12:58] <JaneMarple9> a snapbridge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [12:58] <Expelliarmas> I think Umbridge has heard from Lucius about Snape [12:58] <becky920> Ewwwww... I know you guys didn't just go there. [12:58] <becky920> Lockhart/Umbridge was ugly enough. [12:58] <Expelliarmas> She may have also heard from Fudge that he's mentally unstable [12:58] <JaneMarple9> yes expie [12:58] *** DMD has joined #lounge [12:58] <cbm> I think she is wary of him because Dumbledore hired him, but at the same time he is recomended by Lucius [12:58] <Spectre> I think Umbridge needed to know if he could provide some certain potions for her, among other things [12:59] <becky920> Oooh, I'd forgotten about that, expie. [12:59] <JaneMarple9> fudge didn't have a high opinion of snape [12:59] <fawkes28> testing [12:59] <DMD> Hi all, long time no see [12:59] <Expelliarmas> we see you, fawkes [12:59] <becky920> I think sometime shortly after this lesson she decides he's on her side, and tries to use him. [12:59] <becky920> But at this lesson I think it's clear she's unsure [12:59] <JaneMarple9> he was frightened at snape's rage at the end of book 3 and book 4 [12:59] <Expelliarmas> exactly, Jane [12:59] <cbm> The 2 teachers who are fired were both hired by Dumbledore, so I think that is a strike against snape and makes her suspicious of him [13:00] <JaneMarple9> umbridge really isn't sure which side snape is on [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Why does Snape seem so angry about Umbridge questioning him? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:00] <cbm> Her and everybody else [13:00] <Expelliarmas> Snape doesn'tlike being questioned. period. [13:00] <becky920> He's just grouchy and unpleasant in general. [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> It was insulting to Snape [13:00] <JaneMarple9> is he on albus side - which is bad - or the ministry side - which could put her nose out of joint [13:00] <Spectre> Also, Umbridge most probably needs to see the relations between Snape and Harry [13:00] <cbm> Because he does not take critism well [13:00] <DMD> I also thinks she tests him to see if he's really any good since she fancies herself so superior This post has been edited by Poet: May 5 2007, 02:43 PM |
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[13:00] <Expelliarmas> plus, he likely hated being asked those questions in a classroom full of gryffindors
[13:01] <JaneMarple9> he doesn't like being reminded about the DADA job [13:01] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:01] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think its becaue Snape is loyal to Albus, but hesitate to mentin that [13:01] <JaneMarple9> he doesn't think it is any of umbridges business [13:01] <Poet> I agree. Snape is very proud and prefers to be the questioner rather than the questioned [13:01] <Aislinn> now why would you be hesitant about that, sooner? wink [13:01] <becky920> Now, Now... Sooner... be careful! We don't want to erupt into a Snape Debate. [13:01] <JaneMarple9> and yes, he was being questioned in front of gryffindors [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [13:01] <Puzzlepiece> He doesnt want to give the ministry insite into his DE work [13:01] <DMD> I think he feels she's full of herself for no reason [13:02] <JaneMarple9> yes DMD [13:02] *** fawkes28 has quit [Ping timeout] [13:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Any guesses on what the offending Strengthening Solution may be or what it does? (Chamber 29) [13:02] <cbm> I think he relizes how imcompetent she is and resents anything she has to say [13:02] <Poet> I think Snape does have some nervousness about being questioned because of his alignment w/ Dumbledore [13:02] <becky920> The only place we've ever seen Snape even close to polite was at Spinner's End. [13:02] <DMD> agree cbm [13:02] <JaneMarple9> it might be foreshadowing again [13:02] <JaneMarple9> for book 7 [13:02] <Aislinn> I wonder if it makes your spells stronger? [13:02] <becky920> I'm guessing it makes a drinker stronger, which to Umbridge -- if the students were truly going to rise up against the ministry -- had to sound like a bad idea. [13:02] <Puzzlepiece> i think it makes your body stronger [13:03] <Expelliarmas> or maybe helps someone's body get stronger? [13:03] <cbm> that makes sense becky [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I have always wondered what this solution does [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe it gives you more endurance? Like a super-hyped energy drink? [13:03] <Aislinn> with spells, though, why would it matter how strong someone was? [13:03] <Expelliarmas> red bull for wizards [13:03] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Expie [13:03] <Expelliarmas> maybe it can be used to enhance healing, Aislinn [13:03] <becky920> red hippogriff [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> it gives you winjgs [13:03] <cbm> So she is worried about Dumbledore forming any army of super strong wizards [13:03] <Poet> wb fawkes28 [13:03] <fawkes28> thanks smile [13:03] <DMD> wouldn't it be interesting if that's what was what DD drank in the cave? [13:03] <becky920> it really gives you wings, lol [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hahaha [13:04] <Spectre> the strongest wizard being Hagrid? smile) [13:04] <JaneMarple9> thats interesting dmd [13:04] <fawkes28> !botsnack [13:04] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [13:04] <JaneMarple9> never thought of that before [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think the changes in Hermione, which were more evident than ever in this chapter, are for the better? (Chamber 29) [13:04] <Expelliarmas> wonder if it's a play on words, maybe it strengthens *resolution* [13:04] <becky920> Which changes in particular? The jinx on the parchment? [13:04] * JaneMarple9 pats snuffles - don't be mean to the booth mods! [13:04] <DMD> could strengthen anything [13:05] <JaneMarple9> yes they are for the better [13:05] <Puzzlepiece> I think Hermione developed through the whole book not just that chapter [13:05] <Expelliarmas> I think hermione is becoming more resourceful and more of a leader [13:05] <cbm> yes, she shows that she does very well when thinking for herself [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they are for the better, but that Hermione needs to also exercise caution [13:05] <fawkes28> hermione has come a long way from the beginning of the series [13:05] <JaneMarple9> she seems more "normal" than just being a clever clogs [13:05] <becky920> Yeah, but I'm not entirely comfortable with some of her changes in this book. [13:05] <Aislinn> she is realizing that you can't blindly follow the rules, but need to do what is right [13:05] <DMD> she's learning to think outside the box; that nothing is always blck or white [13:05] <Expelliarmas> she is willing to exercise her own judgment [13:06] <JaneMarple9> she seems more a witch rather than a intelligent one [13:06] <Puzzlepiece> "Who are you and what have you done with Hermione Granger" [13:06] <becky920> LOL [13:06] <JaneMarple9> smile [13:06] <Aislinn> great line, puzzle [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a funny line [13:06] <JaneMarple9> it is a great line [13:06] <Aislinn> even if it's not canon [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> not canon, but I can totaly see Ron saying it anyway [13:06] <JaneMarple9> bet Jo wishes she thought of it [13:06] <becky920> beats the heck out of a lot of other lines he's had in the films. [13:06] <JaneMarple9> i can see Ron saying it a lot [13:06] <Expelliarmas> well, she's been smashing rules for a while now; but we see it more in the OOTP. it seems three characters come a long way in this book. Harry, Hermione, and Neville. [13:07] <Puzzlepiece> I dont think so, I think its to cliche for Jo [13:07] <becky920> It's not just rules, though, it's ethics. [13:07] <JaneMarple9> a change has come over hermione [13:07] <becky920> Harry goes through the same process in HBP -- Hermione's going through it here. [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, moving on to Chapter 18 [13:07] <cbm> But she will backstep in HBP by deferring to Dumbledore, I think she will be more independent in DH [13:07] <Puzzlepiece> She has stopped being so naive and looking at the government as a wholely good thing [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Why is Dobby bringing Hedwig to the Gryffindor Common room in the middle of the night? Shouldn’t she go to the Owlery? (Chamber 88) [13:07] <JaneMarple9> she knows that the wizarding world is in danger [13:07] <JaneMarple9> dobby was desparate to see harry [13:07] <becky920> I think Dobby knew how much it meant to Harry and waited to get him on his own [13:07] <Aislinn> He probably hoped to see Harry [13:07] <cbm> I think Dobby wants to see harry [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, totally an ulterior motive there [13:08] <JaneMarple9> and if hedwig went to the owlery she may have been injured again [13:08] <Puzzlepiece> Dobby always wants to see Harry [13:08] <Aislinn> ooh, good point jane [13:08] <Puzzlepiece> and Prof would want Harry to know shes alright [13:08] <JaneMarple9> hedwig needed to be reunited with harry [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> What I wonder is how Dobby knew Harry was in the common room, or would he have just gone up to his dorm [13:08] <Expelliarmas> Harry made it clear Dobby was considered a friend. He could have come to see him anytime. [13:09] <JaneMarple9> ooo he'd gone for his new hats first [13:09] <cbm> Maybe he was going to place him in Harry's room [13:09] <Aislinn> he probably would have continued up to the dorm, sooner [13:09] <JaneMarple9> and then left hedwig in the dormy [13:09] <becky920> Dobby would have been coming in late at night to clean Gryffindor Tower, though [13:09] <JaneMarple9> yes becky [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> and "accidentally on purpose" woke him? [13:09] <becky920> It was just convenient for him that Harry happened to be in the common room [13:09] <Puzzlepiece> Dobby would have gone up to the dorm and peeked over Harry with big tennis ball eyes if Harry was sleeping so Harry would freak when he awoke [13:09] <becky920> exactly, puzzlepiece [13:09] <JaneMarple9> probably sooner! [13:09] <cbm> but a house elf's duty is to stay hidden, so I do not think dobby would seek out Harry Potter [13:09] * JaneMarple9 shudders imagining being waken by Dobby! [13:10] <Expelliarmas> yes, but Harry told Dobby he is a friend, so I can see him waking Harry who was alone in the common room [13:10] <DMD> since when is Dobby your average house elf though? [13:10] <JaneMarple9> ah but dobby's differemt [13:10] <JaneMarple9> he hero worships harry [13:10] <Aislinn> and he had done it before, showing up in Harry's dorm [13:10] <becky920> he fangirls Harry [13:10] <DMD> heck, showing up at Privet Dr! [13:10] <JaneMarple9> dobby's smarter than the average elf! [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> Fifth-years are allowed in the corridors until 9 pm — do the younger students have an earlier curfew? If so, then how much of a risk are the younger kids like Ginny, Luna and the Creeveys taking to attend the meetings until 9 pm? Why not hold the meetings at an earlier hour? (Chamber 88) [13:11] <JaneMarple9> yes it was reckless [13:11] <cbm> fan girl is not a strong enough term for how dobby worships harry [13:11] <becky920> They had to give people a chance to do homework and what not [13:11] <Expelliarmas> well, the creeveys are darned resourceful, seeing as they made it into hogsmeade when they weren't supposed to [13:11] <JaneMarple9> but if it was any earlier the teachers would still be prowling [13:11] <DMD> they've got to wait until the castle hustle and bustle calms down [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think they eat dinner rather late [13:12] <JaneMarple9> yes about this time, over in the UK! [13:12] <cbm> dinner starts before 5, so I do not think it is that late [13:12] <becky920> this time being? [13:12] <becky920> ;) [13:12] <Aislinn> good point, cbm [13:12] <JaneMarple9> 7.15 there abouts! [13:12] <Expelliarmas> also, arent there other activities going on, like quidditch practice? [13:12] <Poet> too true JaneMarple9 . The teachers and Flich won't always remember what grade a student is in, so they might be able to get away with it [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> does it really start before 5? [13:12] <becky920> I think dinner is more open ended when it's not a feast day -- some classes get out earlier, some later [13:12] <cbm> they left the common room at 7:30 [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I was thinking dinner started around 6 or so [13:12] <becky920> We know Harry was able to eat dinner and make it to a five o'clock detention with Umbridge [13:12] <Puzzlepiece> I've been wondering about this for ages! [13:12] <JaneMarple9> all depends how the household is run! [13:12] <cbm> yes Harry was able to eat dinner before a detention with Umbridge at 5 [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> hmmm [13:13] <Puzzlepiece> Because it mentions fifth years specifically we can assume that 1st years are earlier [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> but that doesnt gel with other instances [13:13] <becky920> But it could be more buffet style when it's not a feast day, you know? [13:13] <Poet> Jo's not the best with maths wink [13:13] <JaneMarple9> smile [13:13] <Aislinn> it is probably open for 3 hours or so, to accomodate different schedules [13:13] <DMD> could be a 4-7 type of thing; come when you can [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> it could be Becky. Maybe there are dinner hours [13:13] <becky920> Exactly [13:13] <cbm> sooner, she rarely mentions time in the series [13:13] <Aislinn> that's true, cbm [13:13] <JaneMarple9> except time travel...sigh!! [13:13] <Aislinn> her concepts of time are pretty loose [13:14] * Expelliarmas thinks we should get Jo a watch [13:14] <cbm> we have to puzzle it out ourselves [13:14] <Puzzlepiece> but that would not work with the picture we get of everyone being in the great hall at the same time, ie when they were always looking for Hagrid to come back [13:14] <Aislinn> and a calendar, expie biggrin [13:14] <Puzzlepiece> or when Fred and George eat with them [13:14] * becky920 think she could use a calculator too [13:14] <JaneMarple9> i imagine the whole school eats together [13:14] <Spectre> Yes, especially the timing of the Ministry adventure... it's really loose smile [13:14] <Poet> yes! [13:14] <becky920> Well, I think the breakfast time frame is probably shorter [13:14] <Expelliarmas> i think for purposes of scheduling, the whole school likely eats together [13:14] <cbm> But when she wants to, like in PoA, she does very well [13:14] <JaneMarple9> after all it's a Great Hall [13:14] <Puzzlepiece> Breakfast on Saturdays is buffet [13:14] <Poet> The overall feel of events is more important than exact times [13:15] <Expelliarmas> otherwise, the houseelves will cook all day long [13:15] <DMD> and they probably do [13:15] <cbm> I think the ministry timing is very well done and very telling [13:15] <Puzzlepiece> from GoF when they all woke up at different times to watch people put their names in [13:15] <SoonerGryffindor> Poor Katie has a rough time, first the nosebleed at the Quidditch practice, Peeves throwing ink at her... foreshadowing the opals in HBP? Or worse in DH? (Chamber 88) [13:15] <JaneMarple9> yes foreshadowing [13:15] <Aislinn> she did have a rough time of it here [13:15] <JaneMarple9> but sooner...no katie in book 7 [13:15] <becky920> Katie seems to have a talent for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe she cracked the foe glass? [13:15] <Puzzlepiece> I think Jo just wanted to use characters we were familiar with [13:15] <fawkes28> let's hope not - that poor girl [13:15] <Expelliarmas> poor Katie seems to have been written to suffer [13:15] <JaneMarple9> she'll have left school [13:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Katie really deserves a break [13:16] <Puzzlepiece> or will she with how much she missed [13:16] <Expelliarmas> maybe she did, becky [13:16] <Poet> Maybe we are constantly reminded of her because one of the twins ends up marrying her. [13:16] <Puzzlepiece> smile [13:16] <JaneMarple9> nice Poet [13:16] <SoonerGryffindor> she missed like most of her 7th year. Maybe she will be back. LOL [13:16] <cbm> OBHWF [13:16] <becky920> Poet ships Gorge/Katie [13:16] <Aislinn> sorry - when would she have cracked the foe glass? [13:16] <Expelliarmas> she could end up flunking [13:16] <Expelliarmas> i think it was a supposition, Aislinn [13:16] <JaneMarple9> she's a seventh year in book 6 right? [13:16] <Poet> Poor girl needs a break [13:16] <becky920> It was just a joke, Aislinn -- I don't think she really did. I was implying she's got bad luck! [13:17] <becky920> 7 years worth, maybe [13:17] <Aislinn> lol [13:17] <DMD> gotta run- toodles [13:17] <JaneMarple9> becaise she may not appear in book 7 [13:17] <cbm> I do not think they flunked anyone on CoS, so I think she will have passed [13:17] <Aislinn> bye dmd [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> bye DMD [13:17] <becky920> bye DMD [13:17] <Expelliarmas> bye dmd [13:17] *** DMD left #lounge [] [13:17] <fawkes28> well, maybe she will join the order after all of the crazy things that have happened to her [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> From Dobby we learn, yet again, the house-elves really don’t want to be freed. What do you think of their tactic of not cleaning Gryffindor? Will Hermione ever catch on? (Chamber 88) [13:17] <fawkes28> she is a gryffindor after all [13:17] <Aislinn> good point, cbm [13:17] <JaneMarple9> dobby is a good house elf! [13:17] <Expelliarmas> Hermione is rather thick on that subtle point [13:17] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [13:17] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:17] <becky920> I'm more interested in knowing why Harry didn't tell her. [13:17] <Aislinn> I think Harry should have told hermione that they wouldn't clean [13:18] <JaneMarple9> he's clever the way he protects the other house elves [13:18] <becky920> I agree, Aislinn. [13:18] <Aislinn> he knows that her plan is misguided, and she needs to learn it as well [13:18] <cbm> I think Harry should have told her that her plan was failing, not just that dobby was doing all of the cleaning [13:18] <Expelliarmas> If Harry told her, she'd find some otherway. He did the right thing [13:18] <JaneMarple9> harry didn't mention it to Hermione because he knew she'd be SPEWing all the time [13:18] <becky920> Maybe, but maybe she would have re-thought her tactics, Expie [13:18] <becky920> Come up with something less sneaky. [13:18] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [13:18] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [13:19] <cbm> I do not think that she even had the power to free them, [13:19] <Expelliarmas> oh i think she would have been sneakier [13:19] <JaneMarple9> and Hermione had a more important thing on her mind with the DA [13:19] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:19] <Poet> Thankfully yes [13:19] <becky920> But is it ethical to try to force them to freedom against their will? I think Ron was right that they should at least see it coming. [13:19] <Spectre> the DA diverted her attention from SPEW, for good I think smile [13:19] <JaneMarple9> yes Spectre! [13:20] <cloudpic> I hope it'll at least cause her to ease up and think about it a bit, Spectre [13:20] <JaneMarple9> back again cloud? smile [13:20] <Aislinn> part of her maturation is learning that she needs to consider the House elves' view of things, and learning that they were insulted by her actions might have been a step in that direction [13:20] <cbm> I do not think it is ethical to do it wi absolutely no plan as to what happens next [13:20] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [13:20] <cbm> with [13:20] <becky920> exactly, cbm. [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> What's funny is that Ron would have told her, Harry opted not to [13:20] <cloudpic> thankfully, yes, Jane.... I agree, Aislinn. [13:20] <becky920> Look at poor Winky -- she needed therapy [13:20] <Expelliarmas> Winky's freedom was totally traumatic, though [13:20] <JaneMarple9> she does becky [13:20] <nympheart> what are we talking about? [13:20] <cbm> got to go! bye [13:21] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [13:21] <becky920> bye! [13:21] <Expelliarmas> bye cbm [13:21] <Aislinn> bye cbm [13:21] <fawkes28> bye cbm [13:21] <Poet> Hermione and the house elves [13:21] <leakylurker> hi sorry I am late [13:21] <Aislinn> hi leakylurker, nympheart [13:21] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [13:21] <JaneMarple9> a spell in st mungos would suit winky good with lockheart [13:21] <Expelliarmas> heya, ll [13:21] <becky920> I wonder whether Hermione had even thought about what the next step should be. Was she ready with counseling or whatever? [13:21] <cloudpic> Hermione's age was more the issue and her inexperience of beings... rather than a lack of ethics on Hermione's part, don't you think? [13:21] <becky920> Had she lined up their pensions? [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> Last week we discussed the ethics of Hermione jinxing the parchment. Now that you’ve had some time to think about it, what would you have done to provide security for the group? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:21] <Poet> I agree. [13:21] <becky920> Wouldn't it be more effective to petition Hogwarts for that stuff? [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Hermione was morally in the wrong on this [13:22] <Aislinn> I think that what she did was absolutely fine [13:22] <Poet> A secretkeeper, but that magic was likely too complex for 5th years [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> she should have told the members ahead of time what she had done [13:22] <JaneMarple9> i think hermione had to protect the parchment [13:22] <fawkes28> i dont know if i would have done what she did but it was effective [13:22] <nympheart> I think so too, Aislinn [13:22] <Poet> Right, exactly Sooner [13:22] <Expelliarmas> I would have done something similar. notice the traitor still had a choice to betray, but would be punished and identified for doing so [13:22] <JaneMarple9> because she had to protect the DA [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> and given them the opportunity to make up their minds knowing ALL of the facts [13:22] <becky920> If anybody could have performed the Fidelius Charm, it would have been Hermione. [13:22] <leakylurker> I think she should have told them what would happen if they snitched, even if after they eighned [13:22] <Aislinn> exactly, expie [13:22] <Spectre> Any petitions would be countered by Umbridge immediately [13:22] <Aislinn> they need to know who the sneaks are [13:22] <JaneMarple9> yes ainslinn [13:23] <JaneMarple9> totally agree [13:23] <Expelliarmas> the group needed to know who would betray for future reference. Shame no one thought to do that with the secret keeper-peter [13:23] <becky920> Maybe they should have phrased what they thought in passing the door to the RoR differently. Made it unplottable, or disguised somehow. [13:23] <cloudpic> I fully agree, Aislinn. They made a promise on signing. The jinx was a simple alarm. [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> She could have said that she had it jinxed, but not told what would happen [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> that would have been jsust as effective [13:23] <becky920> I agree [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I just get uneasy seeing Hermione take the law into her own hands [13:23] <leakylurker> yes sooner [13:23] <JaneMarple9> but sooner - nobody would sign it then! [13:23] <cloudpic> That'd be like saying it's unethical to have an unposted alarm system on your house ...poor burglars [13:23] <becky920> No, it's not the same at all. [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> no [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> its not the same [13:23] <cloudpic> I'd have signed it. I mean to keep my promises. [13:23] <becky920> Burglars aren't using your house to thwart the government. [13:23] <Expelliarmas> The traitor swore not to betray, but did so. Peter swore not to betray, but did so and got away with no one knowing it was him who betrared [13:24] <cloudpic> They needed an alarm. [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> now if you had invited the burglers in.... that would be the same [13:24] <Aislinn> it is totally the same - they are knowingly agreeing to hold in trust the security of the rest of the group [13:24] <cloudpic> And alarm warned against isn't always effective. [13:24] <Aislinn> and she went and betrayed them [13:24] <becky920> On the other hand... the question is whether Marietta would still have done what she did if she knew there was a consequence. [13:24] <Expelliarmas> actually it is the same. But worse, marietta did not have to sign, but did so [13:24] <Poet> It was tricksy of Hermione. She could have told them later, but it would have tipped off us readers that someone might betray them. Or it might have pre-empted the betraying which wouldn't have been good for the plot. [13:24] <becky920> The bigger issue to me is Cho dragging her along. [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think she would have [13:24] <cloudpic> Her actions were a deliberate betrayal and a broken promise. [13:24] <Poet> I agree becky [13:24] <Aislinn> that was really poor judgement on Cho's part, becky [13:24] <becky920> Does Cho really know her friends so poorly, that she didn't know who could be trusted? [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> But Hermione took the law into her own hands [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> it wasnt her place to do that [13:25] <Puzzlepiece> bye all [13:25] *** Puzzlepiece has quit [Bye] [13:25] <leakylurker> becky i was just going to say that, Cho's fault from the start! [13:25] <Expelliarmas> Marietta would have found a way, a loop hole to get around the jinx had she known [13:25] <becky920> LOL, Leaky! [13:25] <nympheart> she knew there would be some sort of social consequence, becky, she had to have known that she wouldn't be forgiven for betraying them [13:25] <cloudpic> But it was the teen-girl need to have back up when approaching a boy she's interested in [13:25] <Aislinn> it wasn't law, it was protecting her fellow students [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> Marietta is still to this day disfigured [13:25] <Aislinn> good point, nymph [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> that was a serious punishment! [13:25] <Aislinn> with or without the jinx, there would have been consequences [13:25] <Expelliarmas> Marietta is still to this day guilty and has never apologized for her betrayal [13:25] <becky920> Well, Expie, that's why I say they should maybe have been more careful in how they got the RoR opened. They should have asked for an unplottable, disguised place to practice, not just a place to practice [13:25] <leakylurker> I don't think that Marietta took it all as seriously as the rest, that was a problem [13:26] <Aislinn> I have a feeling, sooner, that if Marietta would apologize, the jinx would lift [13:26] <Expelliarmas> I do as well, Aislin [13:26] <Expelliarmas> n [13:26] <nympheart> yes, sooner, but even if the physical mark wasn't there, she would still be labeled a "sneak" [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> possibly, but imagine being made to pay like that the rest of your life for a mistake you made when you were 16 [13:26] <Aislinn> she and Cho never accepted responsibility for her treachery [13:26] <Expelliarmas> That was not a mistake ... it was a deliberate betrayal [13:26] <Aislinn> she wouldn't have to, sooner, if she did own her treachery [13:26] <becky920> I hope Hermione put some way to lift the jinx in there. Otherwise I find it even less ethical [13:26] <cloudpic> That's true. [13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Becky [13:26] <Poet> I hope that Hermione , yes... My thought becky [13:27] <nympheart> I like that idea Aislinn, that's something Hermione would do [13:27] <becky920> LOL, Poet [13:27] <Aislinn> hermione is very skilled - she knows how to lift it [13:27] <Spectre> Another way to keep the DA in secret... I thought about a "paper" version of the Fidelius charm, but it'd be too complex [13:27] <Spectre> Though if Hermione could do a Protean charm, I don't know [13:27] <Aislinn> yes, spectre - that is supposed to be immensely complex [13:27] <Expelliarmas> the fidelius charm might have been too much for students to do [13:27] <becky920> But seriously... why not do a Fidelius charm? They knew what it was. [13:27] <Aislinn> it sounds like DD is one of the few who is able to perform it [13:27] <becky920> Hermione could have done it. [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think even Hermione knew how to do that [13:27] <Aislinn> we don't know that [13:27] <cloudpic> Might not work on a Room which changes all the time [13:27] <becky920> They could have made Harry secret-keeper. He wouldn't have talked. Look what he did to avoid taking veritaserum. [13:28] <Expelliarmas> maybe, becky, but it sounds like its more advanced than NEWTs [13:28] <Spectre> Anybody who signs the parchment just won't be able to tell anything about the Dumbledore's Army, that's my take on this smile [13:28] <JaneMarple9> only harry could make that room appear [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry is beginning to associate his scar hurting with the emotions that Voldemort is experiencing. Why isn’t he more concerned? Why doesn’t Harry follow Ron’s advice to tell someone this time? (Chamber 29) [13:28] <Spectre> what I meant by a "paper Fidelius charm" [13:28] <leakylurker> I think he is curious [13:28] <JaneMarple9> he was the most desparate tto get it appear - he's the leader [13:28] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:28] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:28] <nympheart> Harry wants to prove to himself that he can handle his own life, since apparently others disagree [13:28] <Poet> Dumbledore isn't talking to him, otherwise he might mention it to him I think [13:28] <becky920> I think he is concerned, but he's also pretty mad at Dumbledore. [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry was too busy getting his feelings hurt by DD [13:28] <JaneMarple9> he's used to it [13:29] <becky920> So instead of trusting DD... he keeps it all bottled up. [13:29] <JaneMarple9> the scar has hurt from time to time before - and he knows that voldies after him [13:29] <Spectre> maybe he was influenced by those emotions in a way? [13:29] <becky920> I'm sure Voldy would have wanted him closer to DD, though. Wouldn't he? [13:29] <JaneMarple9> and albus was ignoring harry - so what was the point of goiing to him [13:29] <becky920> More of a position to attack. [13:29] <Expelliarmas> Harry always wants to prove himself [13:29] <cloudpic> He's got his heels dug in... almost as if it's the only way he can "pay back" Dumbledore for ignoring him [13:29] <nympheart> I think he's not quite as concerned because he doesn't realize that it's a two-way link, he doesn't really care if he can read LV's thoughts, LV reading his own is completely different to him [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Harry needed DD to come to him. It would have made him too vulnerable to go to DD with this. Especially after DD's supposed indifference to Harry [13:30] <JaneMarple9> harry is too proud to go to dumbledore whining about his scar [13:30] <becky920> He could have told someone, though. And probably should have. [13:30] <Expelliarmas> it will be a while before he is mature enough to consult others with these things before proceeding. part of the maturation process [13:30] <Aislinn> who would that have been? [13:30] <JaneMarple9> yes albus should have come to him [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry was raised in such a love-less environment that he needed DD to make the first move to him [13:30] <Aislinn> He feels completely cut off and isolated by this point [13:30] <becky920> Another Order member? McGonagall? [13:30] <Expelliarmas> he could have told McG [13:30] <JaneMarple9> he has ron and hermione to tell [13:30] <becky920> Why can't he go to Minerva? [13:30] <JaneMarple9> that is enough [13:30] <nympheart> He also probably believed no one could help him, and on this that's probably correct [13:30] <becky920> He tells Ron and Hermione, though. [13:30] <Aislinn> she has told him to keep his head down and toe the mark [13:30] <Expelliarmas> ron and hermione thought are not order members [13:31] <JaneMarple9> but if hagrid was there...he'd tell him [13:31] <Aislinn> I don't think he would feel he could go to her either [13:31] <JaneMarple9> or lupin [13:31] <Expelliarmas> McG is not a total martinet. she would have helped him [13:31] <Aislinn> can't communicate outside the castle [13:31] <becky920> And McG would have told Dumbledore, which was the best thing that could happen. [13:31] <leakylurker> Yes I bet he would have told lupin [13:31] <Poet> True. No one seems to be able to help Harry, so he doesn't want to whine about it [13:31] <cloudpic> Perhaps on some level he hopes it'll go away... a problem drawn attention to is too real [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> McGonagall is not someone Harry is close to. He had a bond with DD, but DD was avoiding hm all year. That had to have cut deeply [13:31] <Expelliarmas> she's also an order member [13:31] <JaneMarple9> mcgonagall isn't very approachable [13:31] <Aislinn> it's a question of his perception, expie, not a slur on Minerva [13:31] <becky920> Because at some point, they needed to be honest with him about what was going on, so he couldn't be lured by the other side. [13:31] <JaneMarple9> rather too severe to chat about scars [13:31] <Aislinn> and DD had made it clear to all of them to keep Harry in the dark [13:31] <becky920> On the other hand, she wouldn't have babied him, and he hates being babied [13:32] <Expelliarmas> that's true, but an order member could have alerted DD to what was hapening [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry is extremely perceptive. I think he knew that all of the adults were told to be "hands-off" when it came to him [13:32] <JaneMarple9> i don't think mcgonagall would understood the true signifacance [13:32] <JaneMarple9> of the scar hurting [13:32] <Aislinn> but harry's only possibillity would have been minerva, and in his view, based on her reaction to his interactions with umbridge, she would not have been supportive [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Cho vs. Ginny showdown about the DA name. Ginny wins. What are your thoughts about this? (Chamber 88) [13:33] <JaneMarple9> ginny has guts [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I love it! [13:33] <nympheart> when re-reading after HBP, I giggled [13:33] <leakylurker> I don't really think it was a showdown, just a natural conversation [13:33] <JaneMarple9> and she stand up for her opinions! [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> the first of many comparisons between the 2 grls [13:33] <becky920> Go, Ginny, Go! [13:33] <Poet> Is it too immature of me to say Ginny pwns? [13:33] <cloudpic> I don't know that Ginny was consciously challenging Cho... [13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> nope smile [13:33] <Aislinn> it was the evolution of a good idea, into a brilliant one [13:33] <cloudpic> Nah, Poet... it's true! [13:33] <becky920> lol, pretty immature, Poet... but I'll let it slide. wink [13:33] <Expelliarmas> I don't think it was conscious, but ginny knows she's a rival and has known since GOF [13:33] <JaneMarple9> she doesn't like "Kleennex" because she likes harry too! [13:33] <nympheart> I agree, cloud [13:34] <leakylurker> yes, i think it was as if they were almost working together, not in a competition [13:34] <Poet> I agree. Ginny is one step above the competition as usual. [13:34] <becky920> It's the difference between Ravenclaw and Gryffindor. Cho's thinking practically, Ginny makes it subversive. [13:34] <Poet> or one step ahead [13:34] <Expelliarmas> ohhh, good point, becky [13:34] <leakylurker> and I think that is the point of the DA, working together across houses [13:34] <Aislinn> yes, I agree with that, becky [13:34] <JaneMarple9> i think ginny is supporting harry by suggesting the name [13:34] <becky920> you got that, leakylurker [13:34] <Poet> I love that idea becky [13:34] <Expelliarmas> the DADA DA [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Just goes to show that Ginny has more of a grasp on what exactlhy it is that they are doing [13:34] <Aislinn> Plus, ginny has a sharp sense of humor, and she put that spin on it as well [13:35] * Expelliarmas thinks Jo had the yello song "Da Da Da" in mind with this group name [13:35] <JaneMarple9> harry was bound to choose cho's name...but he chose ginny's instead [13:35] <Poet> And she's used to hiding things because of hanging out with Fred and George [13:35] <becky920> She's a good combination of all things Weasley -- brave, loyal and funny. [13:35] <JaneMarple9> yes the name was perfect [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Giny is a true Gryffindor so she thinks in Gryffindor terms [13:35] <Aislinn> she is! [13:35] <Spectre> the DA abbreviation was intended to be a spoof on DADA I think [13:35] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [13:35] <JaneMarple9> much better than Defence Assosiation [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think of Zacharias Smith being irritating during the meeting? Are you surprised a Hufflepuff could be so annoying? Hmmm, why is he in Hufflepuff, anyhow? (Chamber 88) [13:36] <JaneMarple9> that would be seen through too quickly [13:36] <cloudpic> Ravenclaw... very literal definition [13:36] <Spectre> and Dumbledore's Army name came to be very convenient after Marietta's betrayal [13:36] <JaneMarple9> because it is foreshadowing [13:36] <Expelliarmas> I think he's in hufflepuff as a legacy [13:36] <cloudpic> I'm rather glad someone was there to challenge presumption [13:36] <Poet> I was a bit surprised to see a Hufflepuff "jerk" [13:36] <becky920> Me too, Poet. [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Zacharias is a great character because he shows us that not all Hufflepuffs are warm and cuddly [13:36] <cloudpic> Better to have the niggling questions brought out into the open [13:36] <becky920> I guess you can work hard without being nice? [13:36] <nympheart> I like it when people don't fit the complete stereotype of their House [13:36] * JaneMarple9 is thinking of the wizard (or witch!) orf the month [13:36] <Expelliarmas> but we needed to see a hufflepuff jerk, balances things out [13:36] <leakylurker> Zacharias was annoying, but he was still there, I think his personality in general might be annoying, not necessarily against harry [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL. Hufflejerk [13:37] <becky920> We know there are Death Eaters in all the houses. Now we know there are jerks, too! [13:37] <cloudpic> If no one brought these things up in the open, there might have been behind the scenes chattering [13:37] *** janieb has joined #lounge [13:37] <Poet> He draws attention to himself, so we are reminded of "Smith" and Hufflepuff. I think it will continue to be important in book 7 [13:37] <Expelliarmas> he's in hufflepuff because he's a helga descendant [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> hello janieb [13:37] <leakylurker> hi janieb! [13:37] <cloudpic> I think he was important [13:37] <becky920> Zack's problem is too much testosterone. [13:37] <Poet> I like that idea cloudpic, he's a catalyst [13:37] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking it is foreshadowing of book 7 [13:37] <cloudpic> and necessary [13:37] <JaneMarple9> because of the name [13:37] <Expelliarmas> we'll see him again in DH [13:37] <nympheart> hmm, I don't think that's enough by itself to put him in that house, expie [13:37] <JaneMarple9> oh yes expie [13:37] <cloudpic> Bring out the truth of the questions they all have [13:37] <janieb> hello! [13:38] <leakylurker> Harry has to have some work to do to unite the houses, it can't be too easy- enter Zach [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I think from his general attitude, Zacharias would have made a great Slytherin. However, since he is more than likely a descendent of Helga, that was not likely [13:38] <Expelliarmas> I think it's a very strong reason for it, nymph. and if he asked the hat to be put there, it would have done it [13:38] <Spectre> Hm... Zacharia's and Marietta's situation reminds me in a way what Sirius thought of Lupin and Wormtail [13:38] <JaneMarple9> hello Janie smile [13:38] <becky920> Well, maybe he's a jerk, but he's just not an ambitious jerk. [13:38] <Aislinn> right, becky [13:38] <Poet> He did join the DA afterall [13:38] <Aislinn> and not all the jerks are in slytherin [13:38] <Expelliarmas> so did marietta, poet [13:38] <janieb> right, becky [13:38] <cloudpic> Perhaps being Hufflepuff, he's less inhibited about being open about his thoughts, questions, feelings.. [13:38] <JaneMarple9> he is just the irritating tagger onner [13:38] <Spectre> Harry thought that Zacharias could be a traitor, but Marietta became one [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> It just goes to show that you dont always have to like the people on your side. You only have to be able to work with them [13:38] <leakylurker> I think being skeptical doesn't necessarily make someone a jerk [13:38] <cloudpic> Hufflepuffs don't judge [13:39] <Aislinn> marietta is a jerk and she is a ravenclaw [13:39] <cloudpic> as harshly [13:39] <JaneMarple9> just like the creevey brothers [13:39] <Poet> Its nice to see that Harry has to struggle a little to lead his DA "army" at first [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> that's a good lesson [13:39] <Aislinn> it is a good lesson sooner [13:39] <JaneMarple9> marietta = sneaky! [13:39] <cloudpic> Marietta's a true jerk, Zacharais was a necessary question asker [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think about Harry’s choice of “Expelliarmus” for the first lesson? Is he right to start with the basics? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:39] <cloudpic> Bravo, Harry! [13:39] <JaneMarple9> perhaps so clouf [13:39] <Spectre> Of course [13:39] <Aislinn> yes, his instincts were excellent [13:39] <Expelliarmas> i love that spell [13:39] <nympheart> apparently, his idea was very effective [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> turned out to be a good choice [13:39] <Expelliarmas> *sniff* [13:39] <JaneMarple9> great idea [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Expie [13:40] <leakylurker> I am sick of that spell because of the movie, but I agree it was a good choice! [13:40] <leakylurker> movies [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the exchange between Harry and the Hufflejerk on this [13:40] <cloudpic> I love that it was non-violent [13:40] <janieb> all you teachers have taught me what a great teacher Harry is smile [13:40] <Aislinn> me too cloudpic [13:40] <cloudpic> Prevents violence, really [13:40] <Spectre> It can't do any harm, that's why it's fitting for the first lesson [13:40] <Expelliarmas> what adult would think of a disarming spell in a bad situation? [13:40] <nympheart> I loved his comeback after being questioned about teaching them expelliarmus [13:40] <Aislinn> and that is the focus of all of them - defense, not offense [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> right [13:40] <Expelliarmas> gotta go, bye again [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> which is really Harry's specialty [13:40] <nympheart> bye expie [13:40] <Spectre> It's DEFENCE against the Dark Arts, after all smile [13:40] <leakylurker> bye [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Expie [13:41] <Aislinn> yes, sooner [13:41] <Spectre> bye Expie [13:41] <cloudpic> Yes, Spectre [13:41] <janieb> bye Expie [13:41] <JaneMarple9> it really is harry's spell [13:41] <JaneMarple9> it is the spell harry is best at [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Is it significant that Snape is the one who taught him this spell? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:41] <leakylurker> expelliarmus gives you time to think about what to do next [13:41] <JaneMarple9> lupin taught him well! [13:41] <nympheart> ooo, ironic [13:41] <Spectre> And Harry used it on Snape in Book 3... smile [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the fact that Snape is the one who taught him this spell [13:41] <JaneMarple9> snape taught him this spell???? [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, in the dueling club [13:41] <leakylurker> in the dueling club [13:41] <cloudpic> I wonder? [13:41] <Poet> The dueling club [13:42] <Spectre> Snape used it on Lockhart [13:42] <JaneMarple9> I thought it was lupijn [13:42] <cloudpic> That's such an interesting question. [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> nope [13:42] <nympheart> I wasn't consciously aware of that either Jane [13:42] <JaneMarple9> hmmm how puzzling [13:42] <leakylurker> It is because Snape is a good teacher? Is expie really gone? [13:42] <leakylurker> :) [13:42] <JaneMarple9> of course though! Lupin did Expecto Patronum that where I went wrong [13:42] <Aislinn> it was Lockhart who suggested it, it was just snape who was better at performing [13:42] <Spectre> Hm... does a demonstration count as teaching? [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Harry needs to write a book if he survives the series "I learned everything I ever needed to know about how to defeat Voldemort from Severus Snape" laugh [13:43] <JaneMarple9> horrible thought sooner!!!!!!!!!!! [13:43] <Aislinn> oh, that's wrong on so many levels, sooner [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahaha [13:43] <JaneMarple9> don't go there! [13:43] <leakylurker> I would read it! [13:43] <janieb> snort, Sooner [13:43] * JaneMarple9 not listening to sooner any more! [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> seriously though. He really has taught him lots of valuable things [13:43] <Spectre> Like Sectumsempra? biggrin [13:44] <leakylurker> "close your mind..." [13:44] <JaneMarple9> i suppose [13:44] <Poet> Good one Sooner. Harry learns a lot of having to battle all of his foes throughout the series [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> What’s the importance of Harry choosing to be Neville’s partner? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:44] <JaneMarple9> i hate agreeing with that statement sad [13:44] <Aislinn> didn't teach him that one, leaky [13:44] <Poet> Really nice of Harry. [13:44] <Aislinn> and I don't think he'll need it [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL. He tried Aislinn [13:44] <nympheart> Harry and Neville might not be on the same level, but they're very close [13:44] <leakylurker> h tried though [13:44] <Spectre> It's very important I think [13:44] <cloudpic> He was left on his own.. Harry picked up the slack? [13:44] <Poet> He realizes Neville needs some encouragement [13:44] <JaneMarple9> well it represents the two people who could have been the prophecy [13:44] <leakylurker> I don't think he picked Neville, Neville was last [13:44] <Aislinn> I think it was really nice of Harry to pair up with him [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it shows Harry's compassion. And I bet it made Neville a better student [13:45] <cloudpic> Oh, true Jane! [13:45] <janieb> it shows again how much they are parallels of each other [13:45] <JaneMarple9> it was prophecy foreshadowing [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry was following in Lupin's footsteps [13:45] <Spectre> Harry was his best teacher, at least his best DADA teacher smile [13:45] <leakylurker> I think it showed that Neville has potential, if soneone can believe in him [13:45] <cloudpic> Gives Neville a boost too, friends with Harry [13:45] <nympheart> I think empathy is involved, but I don't think Harry was unaware of neville's untapped ability [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> following the example of the best DADA teacher he had [13:45] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat. It should be up soon. [13:45] <JaneMarple9> yes ll [13:46] <janieb> nice pick up on the theme, LL McGonagall says the same thing [13:46] <JaneMarple9> sad 15 minutes! [13:46] <JaneMarple9> where does the time go to? [13:46] <leakylurker> cyberspace [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think about Harry’s DA teaching abilities? (Chamber 29) [13:46] <becky920> good chat, everyone [13:46] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [13:46] <cloudpic> I agree, nympheart... Harry is in good touch with other's feelings [13:46] <leakylurker> I think he had patience which is good [13:47] <nympheart> I was impressed, he really showed his leadership abilities [13:47] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Ping timeout] [13:47] <becky920> I think he's a natural! [13:47] <cloudpic> He was wonderfully good. Watched for errors, and gently corrected them...encouraged! [13:47] <Aislinn> I thought he was a very effective teacher, and it was a great way to show his shift into the leadership role he will have in the next book [13:47] <leakylurker> it was nice to have people listening to him [13:47] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, this was a great character development opportunity [13:47] <Spectre> He's not a usual kind of teacher... partly because he wasn't adult and didn't try to use an adult's authority [13:47] <nympheart> yes, ll, that was a nice switch [13:47] <Aislinn> He seems to emulate Lupin's teaching style nicely [13:47] <janieb> hermione knows him so well sometimes! [13:48] <leakylurker> i like how there was little lecture, and much action [13:48] <leakylurker> no "wands away" [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> . How does Harry’s involvement in the DADADA impact his well-being? (Chamber 007). [13:48] <Spectre> I think it helped him [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it finally gave him an outlet for his anger [13:48] <cloudpic> Has given him a sense that others will follow him readily [13:48] <Aislinn> I think it's the only thing he could hang onto at times [13:48] <JaneMarple9> it gives harry something to do [13:48] <leakylurker> it saves him from himself, gives him an outlet for his energy and determination to do something [13:48] <Aislinn> it was a constructive outlet [13:48] <janieb> it gives him hope--the 2nd most powerful defenxe against evil! [13:48] <cloudpic> I loved that even the twins buckled down at his "look" [13:48] <nympheart> it gave him something to look forward to when Umbridge wouldn't let him do anything else [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> he was able to be proactive, rather than reactive. For someone with Harry's personality this is very important [13:49] <Spectre> Distraught him from Voldemort, and Dumbledore's lack of attention to him [13:49] <JaneMarple9> gives him something to think about rather than umbridge [13:49] <leakylurker> yes, hope is important for harry [13:49] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, nympheart... he needed something positive [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> notice that he no longer has the angry outbursts in DADA class after the DA is formed [13:49] <becky920> He can channel his anger into something productive [13:49] <JaneMarple9> it shows him that the DA believes in him! [13:49] <janieb> oooh, hadn't noticed that, Sooner [13:50] <cloudpic> A lesson we could all learn from... good for Jo! [13:50] <JaneMarple9> yes becky [13:50] <JaneMarple9> and yes sooner [13:50] <Aislinn> that's a good point, sooner - a much more constructive means of working against Umbridge [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [13:50] <leakylurker> and if gives him an excuse to sneak around again smile [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> The tapestry outside the Room of Requirement, we’re told, depicts Barnabas the Barmy’s ill-advised attempt to instruct Trolls in the finer points of ballet. Why do you think J.K. Rowling, keeps throwing in these funny little bits like this tapestry? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:50] <janieb> such a good lesson, cloudpic1 (dare I say--litrary alchemy stikes again?!) [13:50] <becky920> He finally feels like he's part of something, too... all through the book he's being singled out but finally he's got a place where he belongs [13:51] <nympheart> OotP, really, really needs humor [13:51] <JaneMarple9> it does [13:51] <Aislinn> it creates such a rich, fully realized view of the wizarding world [13:51] <becky920> It gives the reader a mental break, too [13:51] <JaneMarple9> and sometimes her humour has foreshadowing [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Its those little details that make her world completely 3-dimensional [13:51] <janieb> is there any way this could be a THIP? [13:51] <Spectre> Instructing trolls for the balled is like making the students study DADA by books [13:51] <Poet> It helps us keep our bearings in the castle [13:51] <JaneMarple9> chamberpots comes to mind! [13:51] <Aislinn> which is so important in all the tension of this book [13:51] <Spectre> *ballet [13:51] <becky920> Do you think it parallels Hermione and the elves? [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> it makes the story go from a great story to a spectacular sotry [13:51] <nympheart> I like that becky [13:52] <cloudpic> I wondered about that too, janieb... but it was funny! [13:52] <cloudpic> Maybe so, Becky [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> it also reinforces tht most wizards dont have a lick of common sense [13:52] <becky920> Certainly not about the other magical "beings" [13:52] <janieb> what will Hermione's nickname be? [13:52] <becky920> Look at the Fountain of Magical Brethren! [13:52] <JaneMarple9> hermy? smile [13:52] <cloudpic> Unity will benefit all of them [13:53] <Poet> "She that can not be disuaded" [13:53] <JaneMarple9> she who knows everything! [13:53] * SoonerGryffindor is not coming up with a single witty phrase at the moment [13:53] <becky920> Hermione the House-Elf Haranguer? [13:53] <leakylurker> she who can't keep her hand down [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> ooooh [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that one becky [13:53] <janieb> *snort* [13:53] <Poet> I love the fact that wizards can't control other magical creatures (at least not all of the time) [13:53] <becky920> Hermione the Tireless? [13:53] <leakylurker> dictionary word of the day becky [13:53] <JaneMarple9> Hermione the Elf Helper! [13:53] <becky920> LOL [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> We finally learn where all the common rooms are. Is it important that Hufflepuff and Slytherin are both below ground level, while Ravenclaw and Gryffindor are both in towers? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:54] <Poet> Yes, they are matched with their elements [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [13:54] <Aislinn> makes sense, when you think about the related elements [13:54] <nympheart> it's elemental [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Earth and Water [13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Air and Fire [13:54] <JaneMarple9> slytherins - near snape with potions in the dungeons [13:54] <janieb> yes--at least Jo told us THAT much. (Curious much, jb?) [13:54] <leakylurker> Slyterins, water, under the lake [13:54] <Spectre> Griffin and raven are both flying creatures smile [13:54] <JaneMarple9> never noticed the four element [13:54] <Poet> It gives us clues to locations of founder objects in Book 7 I hope - slytherin's locket was hidden near water for instance [13:54] <leakylurker> Hufflepuff, earth, [13:54] <becky920> Should we watch out for an evil, ambitious Hufflepuff DE? *cough*Smith*cough* [13:55] <JaneMarple9> yes spectre! [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Poet [13:55] <JaneMarple9> yes becky too! [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the elements will be a huge clue [13:55] <leakylurker> oohh poet! [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> as the the horcrux locations [13:55] <nympheart> I think so too [13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> which is why I am adamant that cup is in Gringott's [13:55] <leakylurker> will the trio realize this, or just the reader [13:55] <cloudpic> Goodness. [13:55] <leakylurker> ? [13:55] <JaneMarple9> ah but it WASN'T Slytherin's locket was it??? [13:55] <nympheart> I'm thinking Egypt for that one, sooner [13:55] * cloudpic has her jaw hanging open [13:55] <JaneMarple9> that needs to be found yet [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> either way, it will be beneath the earth [13:56] <Poet> No, but originally that's where it was [13:56] <janieb> ooooooh, elements and horcrux locations---never saw that one coming [13:56] <cloudpic> That's the first I've heard that Poet... wonderful! [13:56] <JaneMarple9> great idea [13:56] * JaneMarple9 thinks Poet is Jo is disguise! [13:56] <Poet> ha [13:56] <Poet> no [13:56] <cloudpic> Was supposed to have been, was originally [13:56] <becky920> But you would say no, of course, Poet! [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahaha [13:57] <cloudpic> Darn. [13:57] <becky920> Four elements, Four Hallows of King Arthur... four horcruxes left... [13:57] <becky920> Sounds good to me! [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, exploring the elements will be critical, I think [13:57] <JaneMarple9> we've craked deathly hallows just before it comes out!!!!!!! [13:58] <Spectre> Don't post this log anywhere! smile)) [13:58] * cloudpic needs to bring a notebook to the chat! [13:58] <Poet> ha [13:58] <becky920> gotta run, guys... thanks for the excellent chat! [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> urm.... the theories all all in Unfogging. [13:58] <Poet> cheers [13:58] <nympheart> bye becky [13:58] <Spectre> bye becky [13:58] <leakylurker> bye! [13:58] <Aislinn> bye becky [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Becky [13:58] * JaneMarple9 perpares to be hugged to death [13:58] <janieb> bye becky [13:58] <Aislinn> we actually all are going to have to go smile [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Thatnks everyone for a great chat! [13:58] <Aislinn> it was a great chat [13:59] <JaneMarple9> (((Cloud))))) [13:59] *** becky920 left #lounge [] [13:59] <leakylurker> all it takes is one to leave smile [13:59] <Poet> There is a chat tomorrow from 3-5pm EDT [13:59] * nympheart begins hugging Jane and everyone else to death [13:59] <Spectre> yeah, sure it was smile [13:59] <janieb> you all are so smart--thanks for sharing awesome ideas [13:59] <JaneMarple9> and (((everybody else too)))) [13:59] <Poet> yes! big group hug [13:59] <leakylurker> bye everyone see you in the RGs [13:59] <JaneMarple9> great great great chat! [13:59] <nympheart> bye! [13:59] <Spectre> bye all [13:59] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [13:59] *** leakylurker has quit [Bye] [13:59] <cloudpic> Bye everyone! Thanks for all the wonderful ideas! This post has been edited by Poet: May 5 2007, 02:46 PM |
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