ReadingGroup Corner Booth Transcript: May 5, 2007, Order of the Phoenix chapters 17-18 |
 May 5 2007, 01:20 PM
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[12:03] <Poet> Hi JaneMarple9 [12:03] <JaneMarple9> hello Fawkes! Hello Aislinn! Hello Poet! [12:03] <fawkes28> hey Jane [12:06] <Poet> Does anyone plan to go see Spiderman 3 this weekend? [12:06] <fawkes28> nope - i hate those movies - but thanks for asking smile [12:06] <JaneMarple9> I'm not a spiderman person...but I believe that the trailer is supposed to be shown right? [12:07] <Poet> right [12:08] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [12:08] <JaneMarple9> hi sooner! [12:08] *** cbm has joined #lounge [12:08] <JaneMarple9> hi cbm [12:08] <cbm> Hi everyone! [12:08] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [12:09] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [12:09] <fawkes28> hey cbm [12:09] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone [12:09] <cbm> we are quiet today smile [12:09] <SoonerGryffindor> ha! I just havent had enough coffee yet [12:09] <JaneMarple9> going to be a really busy chat! [12:10] <fawkes28> hey sooner [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> give me time, I will perk up [12:10] <cbm> hey fawkes [12:10] <fawkes28> me - quiet? i never hear those words in the same sentence [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> nope [12:10] <JaneMarple9> at least we will be able to get our points across! biggrin [12:10] <Aislinn> good afternoon, peeps! [12:10] <Poet> I have a bad stomach ache, so I'm having a little side conversation with my stomach right now. Hopefully it'll shut up soon and leave me to chat in peace smile [12:10] <cbm> I am only here for an hour today [12:10] <cbm> sad [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> awwwww [12:11] <SoonerGryffindor> that stinks [12:11] <cbm> I hope you feel better poet [12:11] <Poet> At least its a Saturday [12:11] <JaneMarple9> yay! Saturdays = great! [12:11] <fawkes28> yes, saturdays are awesome [12:12] * SoonerGryffindor stayed up way too late last night [12:12] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:12] <futureweasley> hi guys! [12:12] <cbm> It is a beautiful saturday here! That is why I am leaving in an hour, to enjoy rest of the day outside [12:12] <Poet> Hi futureweasley ! [12:12] <JaneMarple9> hey future [12:12] <futureweasley> it's a great day here, too! [12:12] <Poet> It is supposed to hit 85 here today [12:12] <futureweasley> Michigan summers are really something to behold [12:13] <JaneMarple9> too hot for me! [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> 85 is hot? [12:13] <futureweasley> 85 IS hot [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> no it is not [12:13] <cbm> it will be 75 here [12:13] <Poet> Its too hot for early May [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> its 75 here right now [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> almost time to turn on the AC [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I will if it gets to 80 [12:14] <fawkes28> warm weather is awesome [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> for the most part [12:14] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hey cloudpic [12:14] <futureweasley> hi cloudpic [12:14] <cbm> hey cloudpic! [12:14] <cloudpic> Hi, everyone! [12:15] <Aislinn> 85 is HOT [12:15] <cloudpic> Hope all's well with y'all [12:15] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [12:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [12:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to send you a private chat message. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the message that has been sent to you by that mod. [12:15] <Poet> You won't be able to reply to that message, but if you could just say something like "Poet, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:15] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:15] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:15] <SoonerGryffindor> The Toad knows what’s happening and has taken steps to block them. Hermione knows no one ratted them out. Hedwig shows up in class — she’s been roughed up. Sirius wants a meeting. Neville tries to pummel Draco. Umbridge inspects Potions. Sirius knew about the DADADA — through Dung. Molly thinks it’s a bad idea. Umbridge almost catches Sirius. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Sirius approves of their rule-breaking secret society. Harry and Ron have Quidditch practice. Harry realizes he’s getting Voldemort mood flashes. Instead of doing homework, he falls asleep and dreams of corridors. Dobby tidies Gryffindor alone because of Hermione. He knows a place for their DADADA meeting. They practice *Expelliarmus*! [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Thanks to Chamber 29 and Chamber 88 for the introduction. Ready? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 17 and 18. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> . Does Neville’s attempt to physically attack Malfoy when he hears a particularly hurtful (to him) insult seem in character to you? (Chamber 88) [12:16] <JaneMarple9> firstly ((((Cloudpic)))) [12:16] <cbm> Yes, I can not imagine how that must of sounded to him, and I think was directed at him [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> It didnt at first, but looking back, it does [12:17] <JaneMarple9> when I first read OotP for the first time, I thought it was out of character [12:17] <cloudpic> Hey, Jane! Your favorite... Neville! I wasn't surprised... Neville has shown himself to be willing to be physical before [12:17] <futureweasley> it's not in character...but it goes to show that people change [12:17] <JaneMarple9> Oh yes cloud! [12:17] <cloudpic> And this was a really awful insult [12:17] <futureweasley> yes it was...everybody has a breaking point [12:17] <JaneMarple9> Neville begins to stand up to himself in this chapter [12:17] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Neville fought with Crabbe and Goyle in first year [12:17] <cbm> I agree sooner, the first time I read it I wondered what was happening [12:17] <JaneMarple9> its the turning point [12:17] <cloudpic> Neville was willing to stand in harm's way (the Trio) even in PS/SS [12:18] <futureweasley> I think that Neville may have also felt more comfortable with the Trio standing beside him [12:18] <JaneMarple9> I wondered why draco's insults were so hurtful to him [12:18] <cloudpic> Remember the things done to Neville by his family to test his wizard talent? That was physical...he's been hurt [12:18] <SoonerGryffindor> it was a bit disconcerting at first though. I was like "Wha?" [12:18] <futureweasley> I wish that Neville would have mangled Malfor, personally [12:18] <JaneMarple9> nice point future [12:18] <futureweasley> *Malfoy [12:18] <JaneMarple9> oh yes [12:18] <Aislinn> knowing what his parent's were going through, I can see why it pushed him over the edge [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I thought it was really cool that Harry/Ron had his back and were preventing him from getting the snot beat out of him [12:19] <cbm> I had to think about it, but at this point we do know where is parents are, or at least harry does [12:19] <JaneMarple9> yes, with the trio supporting him, I think it helped neville attack draco [12:19] <cloudpic> And I'm reasonably certain that Malfoy knew what he was saying [12:19] <futureweasley> it also speaks loads about Malfoy as a character. No heart, cold, calculating [12:19] <Aislinn> I bet he did, cloudpic [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Ron and Harry hold back Neville? [12:19] <Aislinn> He knows how to go for the jugular, verbally [12:19] <cloudpic> I'd guess Lucius or Auntie Bella have bragged a bit (horrible people) [12:19] <JaneMarple9> must had given the trio a suprise though! [12:19] <JaneMarple9> because they didn't want neville to be hurt [12:19] <cloudpic> To keep Neville safe from Umbridge's reaction [12:19] <Aislinn> because they didn't want him to be beaten to a pulp by the goons [12:19] <JaneMarple9> or get into trouble [12:19] <cbm> To keep Neville from getting into trouble and protect neville [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Ron held him back because Harry was. Ron was totally in shock [12:19] <Aislinn> and they didn't want him to get in trouble [12:19] <futureweasley> because they didn't want the retaliation of the Slytherins (or Snape) to be heaped upon Neville [12:20] <futureweasley> they were protecting [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, they were looking out for their mate [12:20] <cloudpic> I think it was the not getting in trouble more than anything else. [12:20] <JaneMarple9> there was crabbe and goyle to consider - they aren't pixies! [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Jane [12:20] <cloudpic> That's true... [12:20] <futureweasley> totally Jane [12:20] <futureweasley> I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of Crabbe or Goyle's fist [12:20] <cbm> but if punches had been thrown, I am sure the trio would have helped neville [12:20] <futureweasley> they are very "Dudders"esque [12:20] <JaneMarple9> and I would guarentee that Draco said what he said to provoke a retalation for either harry or neville [12:20] <Aislinn> i'm sure you're right, cbm [12:21] <cloudpic> Still it was Harry who grabbed Neville first... and he's been seeing the Umbridge detentions [12:21] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [12:21] <Aislinn> hi becky [12:21] <futureweasley> I don't think they wanted it to get down to that [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point cbm, and Harry could not afford any trouble at that time [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> hey becky [12:21] <becky920> hello, room! [12:21] <Poet> Spells are one thing, but its hard to help protect a fellow student in a fist fight with the likes of Crabbe and Goyle there [12:21] <JaneMarple9> they are nearly the same size yes future - eek! more duddikins on the loose sad [12:21] <cloudpic> Would have landed all the Gryffs in trouble [12:21] <futureweasley> big time [12:21] <JaneMarple9> hi becky [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> especally considering the Toad was observing that class [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Is this silent ALL CAPS NEVILLE episode the turning point for him or merely a marker in the path of his development? (Chamber 007). [12:22] <cloudpic> I'm glad Ron helped Harry [12:22] <futureweasley> a marker of his development [12:22] <JaneMarple9> harry decided having points docked from Gryffindor was better than the Slytherins getting the better of Neville [12:22] <cloudpic> LOL... love that expression! I think marker too [12:22] <JaneMarple9> Neville is developing [12:22] <futureweasley> seriously, he's changing, he's becoming more comfortable with who he is and what he's about [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> It just goes to show that a LOT of characters in this book were dealing with anger issues [12:22] <cbm> I am not sure, but I would say a marker if I had to choose [12:22] <Poet> Its a good reminder for us of his parents. It foreshadows getting to see them later in the Book. [12:22] <Aislinn> yeah, I think that all the events of a person's life shape them, and this is a step in his maturation [12:22] <becky920> Isn't that the truth, Sooner! [12:23] <Aislinn> good point, sooner [12:23] <JaneMarple9> I never considered Neville's troubles to be anger issues [12:23] <cloudpic> He's been growing more confidant and more willing to put himself in harm's way... remember he was first through the door at the Hogs Head [12:23] <futureweasley> even if it's not a "marker", I believe that Neville was more than justified in his actions [12:23] <SoonerGryffindor> For the first time, Neville is turning his feelings outwards instead of keeping them in and them hurting him [12:23] <JaneMarple9> but he had much anger issues than harry even more in a way [12:23] <becky920> I think if there was one way to provoke Neville, that was it...and he's finally willing to stand up for himself. [12:23] <cloudpic> That's true, now he must learn a method other than pounding the perp! [12:23] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [12:24] <JaneMarple9> it was the straw that broke the camels back [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved Neville in this scene [12:24] <becky920> I just want to hug him [12:24] <cbm> stubefy smile [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> he didnt stop to think that he would get beaten to a pulp [12:24] <cloudpic> I sort of expected a revelation from him at this point... but that he wasn't ready for [12:24] <futureweasley> I personally think that Neville is the hardest working wizarding student at Hogwarts...he will best people, if not via skills, through extra effort and committment [12:24] <JaneMarple9> sooner...I wanted to hug neville ever since he was introduced in book 1 [12:25] <cbm> If it would have happened in HBP, Neville would have been more than ready [12:25] <JaneMarple9> and as for the hospital scene..... sad [12:25] <becky920> I wonder if the sorting had had a Hufflepuff/Gryffindor debate for Neville, like it did Gryff/Slyth for Harry and Gryff/Raven for Hermione [12:25] <cloudpic> Indeed, future... you're absolutely right [12:25] <JaneMarple9> nice point becky [12:25] <cloudpic> Wasn't the Hat on his head quite a while? [12:25] <becky920> he works his little rear end off later, you know [12:25] <JaneMarple9> and neville was put in gryffindor for good reason [12:25] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [12:25] <Aislinn> it must have, becky - he has so many hufflepuff qualities [12:26] <cloudpic> Though I still contend it's not his innate ability but the borrowed wand and lack of confidence that holds Neville back [12:26] <JaneMarple9> all i remember that he ran off with it still on his head [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think Umbridge would have allowed the Gryffindor Quidditch team to re-form if McGonagall hadn’t intervened? (Chamber 29) [12:26] <becky920> I agree, cloudpic [12:26] <cbm> he will stand for what is right, and draco was very wrong here [12:26] <JaneMarple9> no chance [12:26] <futureweasley> absolutely not [12:26] <Poet> No, because she's a toady [12:26] <fawkes28> Nope - she wouldn't have [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> very doubtful [12:26] <becky920> No way [12:26] <cbm> No, because it is something that Harry wanted [12:26] <fawkes28> she could care less either way [12:26] <futureweasley> right cbm [12:26] <Aislinn> I think she would have dragged it out as long as possible [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> which really doesnt make sense. How could Slytherin have won the cup without all teams competing? [12:26] <Poet> I totally agree. She would hold it over them all year if possible [12:26] <cloudpic> She quickly filled that loophole in her powerplay though [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she would have let them reform, but the day before the first game [12:27] <JaneMarple9> and Yes! [12:27] <Aislinn> she was looking for any way she could to provoke Harry [12:27] <becky920> Maybe she would have forced them to reform with different players [12:27] <JaneMarple9> It says the hat took a long time sorting Neville [12:27] <cbm> Slytherin would not care how they won [12:27] <Aislinn> every time she got him angry, she could stomp on him and portray him as unbalanced [12:27] <cloudpic> Oh, that's interesting Sooner... that would have been especially nasty [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> no, I think she would have given them permission the night before the first game against Slytherin [12:27] <cbm> And slytherin would still lose [12:27] <becky920> That, or managed to get Harry kicked off even before he gave her a reason to [12:27] <JaneMarple9> to think I've read that book so many times and never noticed that! [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> then they officially would have been a team, but would have more than likely been beaten with no practices [12:28] <cloudpic> And if they won without incident, she'd have found some other excuse. [12:28] <becky920> I guess we didn't realize that early how important Neville would be, Jane [12:28] <JaneMarple9> oh umbridge really didn't wamt to let gryffindors play quidditch [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Umbridge give the Slytherin Quidditch team permission to re-form ASAP, but sat on the Gryffindors’ permission until Dumbledore got involved? Did she give the other teams permission right away, too? (Chamber 88) [12:28] <becky920> Because she's a nasty piece of work, that's why [12:28] <JaneMarple9> she definately has a grudge against harry [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> because Fudge was in Lucius's back pocket [12:28] <JaneMarple9> because she has slytherin qualities [12:28] <Poet> The Slytherins were better at kissing up to her. And because of Lucius [12:28] <cloudpic> Harry and his friends are Gryffs is the first bit [12:29] <cbm> I bet she dragged it out a day or 2, as people from the other teams were in the Hogshead [12:29] <becky920> She doesn't know how to do her job without making it a personal war [12:29] <JaneMarple9> and the slytherins seem friendly with her [12:29] <futureweasley> I'm sure that the ministry was trying to keep Lucius happy, as he was their personal financiare [12:29] <cloudpic> Yes, I'm convinced she's influenced by Lucius... perhaps that's how she pays for all her fluffy pink clothes. [12:29] <cbm> Friendly is putting it mildly [12:29] <SoonerGryffindor> logically she would have had to give at least one of the other teams permission to form. You cant have games with only 1 team [12:29] <JaneMarple9> Exactly - there is the Lucius prospect - Lucius is spending too much time in the MOM [12:29] <JaneMarple9> (and sorry for caps!) [12:29] <cloudpic> Odd, though, she and Snape aren't at all "chummy" [12:29] <becky920> Lucius is a nasty piece of work, too [12:30] <JaneMarple9> hmmm yes cloud [12:30] <Aislinn> I think she was a slytherin when she was at school [12:30] <cloudpic> And he's Slyth's Head of House [12:30] <JaneMarple9> never seen it like that [12:30] <becky920> Well, not yet, cloudpic -- I think she's not sure yet whose man Snape is [12:30] <JaneMarple9> oh aislinn she had to be [12:30] <Poet> Yes, I don't think he's controlling her by spell, but that he's simply had a long-standing relationship with the MoM, including Umbridge by default [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> No boys allowed in girls’ dorm; how is it that neither Harry nor Ron knew about this in all their years at Hogwarts? And did anyone else imagine Ron’s arms flailing as the steps turned to a slide beneath him? (Chamber 88) [12:30] <cbm> The chain is Voldemort -> Lucius -> Fudge -> The Toad, so I think most of this comes from above Fudge [12:30] <cloudpic> Oh, good point Becky... she's been warned off, perhaps [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed Clark [12:30] <cloudpic> LOL... that was a priceless scene [12:30] <becky920> They've never read Hogwarts, a History, of course! smile [12:30] <JaneMarple9> umbrage always favoured slytherins when she could [12:31] <cloudpic> The boys just hadn't tried before [12:31] <fawkes28> this was a funnt scene [12:31] <cloudpic> LOL Becky!! [12:31] <Aislinn> it was quite a funny picture [12:31] <JaneMarple9> great scene! [12:31] <becky920> If they'd read it, they'd know. [12:31] <fawkes28> i would think that fred and george have tried it but i am glad that Jo has the boys fine it out for themselves [12:31] <JaneMarple9> harry and ron never had reason to go upstairs to find hermione [12:31] <becky920> Although it is a double-standard that Hermione can be in their dorm [12:31] <cbm> I would read Hogwarts, a History! [12:31] <Poet> Reminded me of Man of La Manche - his arms were like windmills, I believe. [12:31] <cloudpic> We needed a truly slapsticky funny moment by then [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is such a funny picture [12:31] <JaneMarple9> they always waited for hermione in the dining room [12:32] <futureweasley> that's one of my favorite moments [12:32] <Poet> Its a wonderful image. [12:32] <JaneMarple9> Whats the betting Fred and George have tried it and they won't admit to nobody? smile [12:32] <becky920> I don't get why it doesn't work both ways. [12:32] <futureweasley> seriously...to see those boys taking a tumble down the slide of stairs...what great mental imagery [12:32] <cloudpic> And another chance for us to see all the protections built-in to Hogwarts castle [12:32] <becky920> No one should be allowed in anyone else's dorms, period. [12:32] <Poet> I agree becky920 [12:32] <JaneMarple9> agreed Becky [12:32] <cbm> Because girls are more trustworthy, isn't that what Hermione says [12:32] <JaneMarple9> the dormies should be protected [12:33] <Aislinn> yes, and it's not uncommon, from the earlier days [12:33] <cloudpic> Yeah... but Hermione was right, the rule made in another less conscious time [12:33] <becky920> She says the founders thought they were... but honestly... I don't think girls are more trustworthy at all. [12:33] <Poet> True, but Hermione seems to be able to waltz in there whenever [12:33] <JaneMarple9> horrible thought to imagine Voldemort loose in the dormatories! [12:33] * becky920 tries not to picture Voldie in his footie pajamas [12:33] <Poet> I see what you mean cloudpic [12:33] <JaneMarple9> ah but Hermione is the brightest wizard for her age [12:33] <JaneMarple9> she has intelligence [12:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Is there anything to the fact that Binns — the professor of magical history — has NO idea who Harry is? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:34] <JaneMarple9> yes there is [12:34] <becky920> I think he's a right old fraud, that's what. [12:34] <JaneMarple9> he called Harry Perkins [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> That is so funny [12:34] <cbm> It jsut shows what an awful teacher he is! [12:34] <cloudpic> Poor Binns, he'd likely be able to tell the History of Harry, but doesn't know the reality of his students [12:34] <JaneMarple9> and Perkins is the man Arthur works with [12:34] <JaneMarple9> at the MOM [12:34] <Poet> Binns seems to remember just students from a long time ago and recycle those names [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an excellent observation cloudpic [12:34] <cloudpic> Is that where I heard the name, thanks Jane! [12:34] <becky920> It's like when Slughorn calls Ron, Rupert. [12:34] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> heya Expie [12:34] <Aislinn> he is living back in the days of history, not in the present day [12:35] <becky920> Hi, Expie! [12:35] <cloudpic> LOL, true Becky [12:35] <JaneMarple9> to me binns is too vague to teach [12:35] <Aislinn> he probably has no idea what is going on in the wizarding world that has continued on since he died [12:35] <cbm> I think his history lessons only go to the date of his death [12:35] <Expelliarmas> heya peeps [12:35] <JaneMarple9> he should be retired...if you can retire ghosts! [12:35] <JaneMarple9> hey expie [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Who intercepted Hedwig? How was it done? Was Hedwig actually intercepted? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:35] <cloudpic> That's a possibility, Aislinn, would be hard to keep up [12:35] <JaneMarple9> errr lets think! [12:35] <JaneMarple9> Umbridge....who else! [12:36] <cbm> I think the toad did it. [12:36] <futureweasley> I think it was Umbridge, or at least on Umbridge's orders [12:36] <cloudpic> I think she must have been intercepted... since the fireplace was searched by that nasty stubby fingered icky... [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I too think she was intercepted [12:36] <Expelliarmas> I don't know if Hedwig was actually captured, but if so it was Filch on Umbridge's orders [12:36] <cloudpic> Sorry... but how? [12:36] <JaneMarple9> of course umbridge intercepted her [12:36] <becky920> I think Filch tried to get her, and couldn't -- so Umbridge wound up doing the injury [12:36] <Aislinn> She was definitely intercepted [12:36] <cbm> I think she read the note and then put Harry under observation [12:36] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [12:36] <JaneMarple9> hedwig is a very significant owl [12:36] <cloudpic> Filch doesn't have magical ability and Mrs. Norris can't fly [12:36] <Expelliarmas> we do here about thestrals catching owls later on [12:36] <becky920> How else would she have wound up in the fire later? [12:36] <Poet> I think it was intercepted similar to how Dobby intercepted them. There must be a diversion spell set up somewhere - a diversion for only mail w/ Harry's name on it [12:36] <JaneMarple9> great becky! The dungbombs excuse! [12:36] <cbm> Hedwig does stand out in a crowd! [12:36] <cloudpic> Maybe she borrowed the Malfoy eagle owl? [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, it was mentioned in Room 18, the Hedwig was injured because Umbridge prbably used a spell against her [12:37] <Expelliarmas> yes another owl could have been used [12:37] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [12:37] <JaneMarple9> yes i can see a spell disorientating hedwig [12:37] <Aislinn> hi kaelgirl [12:37] <cbm> Or when she was caught, she had to fight for the letter [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> hi kaelgirl [12:37] <cloudpic> A spell? She's so inept I hadn't thought Umbridge could manage one [12:37] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [12:37] <kaelgirl> hey everyone [12:37] <JaneMarple9> smile good point cloud [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> If the Toad read Sirius’ note to Harry, why didn’t the Toad report the letter to the Ministry? Why did the Toad try to catch Sirius itself? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:37] * cloudpic sorry, I have an attitude about Dolores Jane [12:37] <becky920> Hi, fawkes [12:37] <becky920> Hi kaelgirl [12:38] <cbm> For the glory of it [12:38] <fawkes28> snuffles doesn't like me today [12:38] <Aislinn> for the same reason she took it on herself to send the Dementors after Harry [12:38] <futureweasley> I'm not sure that she was bright enough to realize it was from Sirius [12:38] <JaneMarple9> because it would be a triumph [12:38] <becky920> She wouldn't have had concrete proof until she caught him in the act [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think she was able to put it all together [12:38] <Expelliarmas> I think the Toad is looking for a bit of glory; it is a bit of a glory hound [12:38] <cloudpic> Hmmm... Perhaps she wanted to present it as a fait accompli? [12:38] <cloudpic> sorry about the spelling [12:38] <Poet> Right, she seems inept, but mail diversion spells sound like something the Ministry might have experience doing. She wants the glory for herself. [12:38] <JaneMarple9> she wants sirius back in jail - just like snape [12:38] <becky920> exactly [12:38] <Expelliarmas> the Toad wouldnt want to share any glory [12:38] <Aislinn> yes, cloud, i think that's just it [12:38] <cloudpic> And it's another way to get at Harry [12:38] <JaneMarple9> the person to catch sirius would get notirity [12:38] <fawkes28> all her motivation is self-centered [12:39] <becky920> I don't think Umbridge is inept at all, Poet [12:39] <cloudpic> I'd guess she still has to prove herself a bit [12:39] <JaneMarple9> and yes cloud connection to harry too [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, if she waits, then she catches Harry red-handed and he would for sure be expelled [12:39] <becky920> She knows exactly what she wants and how to do it. [12:39] <cbm> I think that she thought that catching Sirius would put her over the top, maybe put her in line to be the next minister [12:39] <Poet> She's been taking matters into her own hands because she thinks the MoM talks a lot but doesn't act (at least not as fast as she'd like) [12:39] <Expelliarmas> i dont find th eToad to be inept, machiavellian yes, inept no [12:39] <JaneMarple9> yes sooner she looks for any excuse to expell harry [12:39] <cloudpic> That's likely true, Poet... I hadn't thought about her impatience [12:40] <cloudpic> She wasn't too good at managing the twins' charmed tricks [12:40] <cbm> So she is good at politics, and horrible at actually doing things [12:40] <becky920> Machiavellian is exactly the word, Expie [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> What would have happened had the Toad actually caught Sirius in the fire? (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:40] <JaneMarple9> ah that was weasley magic [12:40] <becky920> Yes, but I think that's more the twin's talent than her ineptitude [12:40] <JaneMarple9> totally different to deal with! [12:40] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [12:40] <cloudpic> I've wondered that? She'd have had a hold of just his head??? [12:40] <cbm> Sirius would have been killed and Harry would have been expelled [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> hello puzzlepieced [12:40] <fawkes28> i am sure that Sirius would have been able to get away somehow [12:40] <Puzzlepiece> hi [12:40] <becky920> Maybe she could have pulled herself into Grimmauld Place. [12:40] * becky920 shudders [12:40] <cbm> Kissed not killed [12:40] <JaneMarple9> sirius would be in jail before you could say abracadrbra [12:41] <cloudpic> Oh, how creepy... but surely they could have "handled" her at Grimmauld Place? [12:41] <Expelliarmas> I think there would have been a struggle and Sirius would have squashed the Toad [12:41] <Poet> She knows Crucio, right? I think she'd crucio'd him and called the dementors. [12:41] <JaneMarple9> she only had to see his face [12:41] <Expelliarmas> gotta go, bye peeps [12:41] <cbm> But Lucius does not want Sirius in jail, he would want him gone [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm still not sure that she would have caught him. He was communicating from a place under the Fidelius Charm [12:41] <Aislinn> that's an interesting question, becky - could she have, with it protected by the Fidelius charm? [12:41] <Poet> Though I like Expelliarmas ' idea better [12:41] <becky920> Dunno... scary thought [12:41] *** Expelliarmas left #lounge [] [12:41] <JaneMarple9> she could easily track him through the floo network [12:41] <cloudpic> It's not like the Wizarding World uses DNA evidence... grabbing his hair would have done her no good [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Could she really have tracked him though? I dont think so because of where he was coming from [12:42] <JaneMarple9> it would prove that he was around! [12:42] <JaneMarple9> umbridge has ways of finding out things [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> The twins showcase their latest skive box treat in the common room. Despite Hermione’s disgust at the puke-fest, no one can deny the effectiveness of the twin’s creation. Are they true geniuses of the magical world or merely the next P.T. Barnum, sideshow hucksters? (Chamber 007). [12:42] <cloudpic> I still shudder though at the image of that hand pawing around [12:42] <Aislinn> I think they are quite bright and creative [12:43] <JaneMarple9> both [12:43] <kaelgirl> I think that they're very ingenius [12:43] <Poet> Their creativity knows little bounds. [12:43] <JaneMarple9> they are very very inventive [12:43] <cloudpic> Geniuses. Really. They are able not just to use existing magic... but create new! [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> oh man! That scene makes my stomach turn every time [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to skip through it [12:43] <kaelgirl> lol sooner [12:43] <JaneMarple9> they have found their vocation in life [12:43] <fawkes28> they are definitely not sideshow material at all - they are highly creative [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> they are genius [12:43] <cloudpic> You've got too good a visualization ability, Sooner.. [12:43] <JaneMarple9> yes...a little too much detail Sooner! [12:43] <becky920> I'm a visual thinker, too, Sooner. [12:43] <Puzzlepiece> look at their family. Plenty of talent there [12:43] <fawkes28> traditional school is not meant for every child and there is nothing wrong with that at all [12:44] <JaneMarple9> and wait until we see it on screen...shudder!! [12:44] <cloudpic> That's what I find interesting though, about the twins... there seems to be very little change in the Wizarding World [12:44] <becky920> I think they've got a natural knack for sales, and a genius for invention... so... both hucksters AND bright. [12:44] <cbm> I really really really hope that scene in not in the movie [12:44] <kaelgirl> I agree becky [12:44] <cloudpic> Not too many new spells [12:44] <becky920> Oooh, I hope they skip that part on screen! [12:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet we dont have to see that [12:44] <JaneMarple9> they are extremely clever [12:44] <kaelgirl> they probably won't put it in the movie. Its filler [12:44] <cloudpic> Good point, Becky... market talent! [12:44] <cbm> I really hope we do not have to hear it [12:45] <Puzzlepiece> they are good at what they are interested in. They would probably have been the type to invent some earth-shattering invention if they were put up to it [12:45] <JaneMarple9> I am suprised that they didn't get so many OWLS [12:45] <cloudpic> You're right, kaelgirl [12:45] <becky920> Fainting fancies would be fine. Ixnay on the puking pastilles. [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> We learn the Hog’s Head barman has a long *memory* and Mundungus is on his bad side (has been for years...). What is the significance of this information? (Chamber 88) [12:45] <Aislinn> they did, with their defensive line puzzle [12:45] <Puzzlepiece> Nosebleed Nougats would work too [12:45] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> hello Spectre [12:45] <JaneMarple9> its foreshadowing [12:45] <cloudpic> Maybe so, Puzzlepiece... that's what seems to motivate... will help the War [12:45] <Spectre> hello all, did I miss anything? smile [12:45] <JaneMarple9> hi spectre [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> nope still more than an hour of chat to go [12:45] <fawkes28> a long memory is important for all of the events that happened in that bar [12:45] <kaelgirl> hi spectre [12:45] <Aislinn> it's interesting that both of them were members of the Order the first time around, yet are now on the outs [12:46] <JaneMarple9> only 45 minutes - 75 minutes to go! [12:46] <becky920> Memory -- a hint at the Pensieve? [12:46] <cloudpic> I'm sincerely hoping that Aberforth's "long memory" will be a source of info. for Harry... [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of last question: We learn the Hog’s Head barman has a long *memory* and Mundungus is on his bad side (has been for years...). What is the significance of this information? (Chamber 88) [12:46] <JaneMarple9> (not that I am counting or anything of course!) [12:46] <Puzzlepiece> well the barman is DD's brother, isn't he [12:46] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [12:46] <cloudpic> Surely Aberforth and Albus have had chats over the years [12:46] <becky920> Yes, Puzzle [12:46] <JaneMarple9> he is puzzle [12:46] <cbm> Yes, but we do not find that out until later [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> this is a great THIPS [12:46] <becky920> It'll be important to Harry later, when he needs to go looking for people who can help him puzzle out where the horcruxes are [12:46] <JaneMarple9> i am, sure that they have cloud [12:46] <JaneMarple9> couldn't agree more sooner [12:47] <becky920> Maybe the barman will give Harry some of his memories [12:47] <cloudpic> No... but the hint that he was his brother was pretty heavy handed... looked familiar, description similar, goat smell. [12:47] <Puzzlepiece> I don't think he is that intelligent nor close to his brother as DD is not sure if he can read [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder why he was talking with Dung a year later... [12:47] <cbm> The goat part in the bar was a great THIPS [12:47] <cbm> also [12:47] <cloudpic> I think Harry will learn things from Aberforth [12:47] <JaneMarple9> I am sure that when Hagrid brought Norbert, in there, Aberforth let his brother know [12:47] <Poet> Yes. I do wonder what Aberforth has against Dung. I love that Aberforth remembers things. I hope that comes into play in Book 7. [12:47] <kaelgirl> I agree cloud [12:47] <becky920> He looks like a dirtier, grumpier Dumbledore, doesn't he? [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> how funny is that [12:48] <JaneMarple9> yes poet....i want to know why dung didn't get along with albus [12:48] <JaneMarple9> sorry aberforth* [12:48] <Aislinn> yes, becky [12:48] <cloudpic> LOL.... I'm not sure, Jane, Aberforth may have the barman's code of honor: what comes to the Hogs Head, Stays in the Hogs Head [12:48] <Puzzlepiece> He tried to use inappropriate spells on goats. I can't see him being so vital if that is the description we have of him [12:48] <becky920> Maybe Dung was trying to make off with his bar glasses or something [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> *snort* [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> Mundungus was the witch under the veil. Was he still following Harry or was it just a coincidence that he was at the Hog’s Head? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [12:48] <becky920> Maybe he was trying to get bezoars for Snape. Accio bezoar! [12:48] <JaneMarple9> sort of thing dung would do! [12:48] <Puzzlepiece> Not if they are covered in dirt [12:48] <Spectre> I think he was [12:48] <Poet> He was for sure following [12:48] <JaneMarple9> of course he was following him [12:48] <cbm> Sirius said he was being followed [12:48] <becky920> Following... doesn't Sirius tell him that? [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> yep, Harry's own secret service [12:49] <Puzzlepiece> I believe so [12:49] <cloudpic> I suspect he was following from Sirius's comment about not having the invisibility cloak [12:49] <Spectre> Especially after his embarrassment at Privet Drive [12:49] <JaneMarple9> and he was following harry a little better than the beginning of the book [12:49] <becky920> Taking it more seriously, anyway [12:49] <Puzzlepiece> with the cauldron opportunioty [12:49] <Poet> Yes, and his witchyly appearance is tied to another mystery - the cloak being used by OotP members [12:49] <JaneMarple9> he had had his orders - don't loose harry again or else! [12:49] <cloudpic> If he had other business there... he might not have paid much attention to Harry and Co. [12:49] <JaneMarple9> he probably enjoyed visiting hogs head [12:49] <kaelgirl> he was definitely following him [12:50] <Puzzlepiece> I think he would go the other pubs around rather than risk his neck in there [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> We learn Molly is “on duty” for the Order from Sirius. Molly?!? What do you think she’s up to? Were you surprised? (Chamber 88) [12:50] <cloudpic> I hope no one hit on him... [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> ewwwwwwwww [12:50] <JaneMarple9> nice cloud! He might had more business in there too [12:50] <Aislinn> I think she was on guard duty [12:50] <becky920> Maybe they've finished fumigating Grimmauld Place and she's on to other duties [12:50] <cbm> Probably guarding the prophecy [12:50] <Puzzlepiece> Molly is one of the best characters in the books [12:50] <cloudpic> They have to use all their members to do that mysterious "guard duty" [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Aislinn [12:50] <JaneMarple9> of course she was on guard duty [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> what kills me about that is ROn's reaction to finding this piece of info out [12:51] <cloudpic> She's in the Order, she's a talented witch... I wasn't at all surprised that she'd take a turn [12:51] <JaneMarple9> the trio must had realised this [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> you can see the concern he had for his mother in this [12:51] <Puzzlepiece> But would she have the same duties as Sturgis Podmore, since DD knows how much her incapacitation would affect a lot of people [12:51] <cloudpic> I missed that, Sooner! [12:51] <JaneMarple9> if arthur was on guard sometimes why not molly [12:51] <JaneMarple9> yes ron is always protective of molly [12:51] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [12:52] <cbm> I think that molly would want to be treated like the rest of the order [12:52] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:52] <becky920> I wonder if she kept doing it after Arthur's injury [12:52] <Puzzlepiece> Molly is the matriarchal figure in the book. Her death would be more devistating than Arthurs [12:52] <JaneMarple9> everybody does cbm [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Arthur has always worked at the MoM, but to Ron his mother has never worked outside the home. [12:52] <cloudpic> Since the children are at school and safe... maybe the others were getting just too exhausted? [12:52] <JaneMarple9> woman are no different than men [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> wb Expie [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it shows just how short-handed they were [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> nothing against Molly [12:52] <JaneMarple9> well there are a few differences but you know what i mean! [12:52] <Expelliarmas> fyi, getting my hair done so i'll be in and out [12:52] <Puzzlepiece> I think she had other duties not necessarily guarding the DOM [12:52] <cloudpic> back in a bit [12:53] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [12:53] <becky920> exactly, Jane... in the wizarding world, there's equal opps for women for sure [12:53] <cbm> Puzzle, I do not think that Molly would allow herself to be protected by not doing her share [12:53] <Poet> it shows that the Weasleys are devoted to doing whatever is needed to help the Order [12:53] <SoonerGryffindor> . Sirius thinks the DADADA is a good idea. Molly thinks it’s not. Why the disagreement? (Chamber 29) [12:53] <Aislinn> agreed, poet [12:53] <JaneMarple9> yes they have to rely on everybody in the order no matter if man or woman [12:53] <JaneMarple9> the what Sooner? DADADA? smile [12:53] * becky920 can't help but think of that song, "da da da" [12:53] <Aislinn> well, it's right in character for both of them [12:53] <becky920> Defense against the Defense Against the Dark Arts [12:53] <Spectre> Sirius sees the DA as something Harry's father might have done [12:54] <Puzzlepiece> Because Molly is already stressed with half the family in the order and doesnt want anyone else in trouble with the Ministry [12:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I would have been shocked had Molly given her stamp of approval on it [12:54] <Puzzlepiece> and Harry needs to be kept safe [12:54] <Expelliarmas> Molly might see the bigger picture, what discovery could mean all the way around; Sirius maybe not so much [12:54] <cbm> Molly does not want her Bogart to come true by her youngest children learning to fight and wants to delay it, and Sirius is for anything that is against the current authorities [12:54] <becky920> Molly's super-protective of the people she sees as her family, understandably -- Voldemort murdered her brothers. [12:54] <Aislinn> Molly thinks that schoolwork is the most essential thing for the kids [12:54] <becky920> Sirius is eager to be doing something to thwart the Ministry [12:54] <JaneMarple9> because she wants her children to be safe - and harry and hermione are her surgogate children [12:54] <Puzzlepiece> Sirius is desperate to do anything involved [12:55] <Aislinn> Sirius would see it as a grand lark - doing something to thwart the idiots [12:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Molly still believes that the best way is to follow rules [12:55] <JaneMarple9> sirius, as he has done in this book, is confusing harry with james [12:55] <JaneMarple9> he thinks harry should be more like james was [12:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Is Hermione correct in thinking that Sirius’s enthusiasm is because he’s trying to “live through them?” Or does he genuinely think a secret defense group is a good idea? (Chamber 29) [12:55] <Expelliarmas> Molly worries about long term impact [12:55] <Poet> Its dangerous to do anything that the Ministry would look down on. Everyone is on edge, and since Arthur works for the Mom.... [12:55] <becky920> I think both, Sooner. [12:55] <JaneMarple9> he wants harry to act as james would have done [12:55] <cbm> I think it is both [12:55] <Poet> Sirius is a man of action and always has been [12:55] <Puzzlepiece> I think it is both. He agrees with the idea and he is living through them [12:56] <becky920> He does think they need to defend themselves, but he's probably a bit jealous [12:56] <JaneMarple9> yes sooner [12:56] <Spectre> Both [12:56] <JaneMarple9> sirius is living through Harry [12:56] <Expelliarmas> Sirius is living through them, but that's not a bad thing [12:56] <JaneMarple9> and he is confusing Harry with James all the same [12:56] <JaneMarple9> time* not same [12:56] <Poet> Sirius has always been a bit reckless and impatient. He doesn't always worry about the consequences of actions. He's brave, almost to a fault. [12:56] <Aislinn> I agree that it is probably both [12:56] <Expelliarmas> I don't know that he is confusing harry and james [12:56] <JaneMarple9> but sirius also approved of the DADA [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think the Toad likes Snape’s teaching? Is she looking for something else from him? (If that isn’t a loaded question, I don’t know what is ...) (Room 18–The Atrium) [12:57] <becky920> It is a bit unfair to Harry now and then, though -- in this instance it's OK, but in other instances Harry craves a godfather, and he gets a brother [12:57] <cbm> I think he just expects Harry to act like James as much as he looks like him [12:57] <JaneMarple9> it is the sort of thing he'd do [12:57] <Expelliarmas> he may be reliving some of his past through Harry though [12:57] <Expelliarmas> LOL! [12:57] <JaneMarple9> umbridge is unsure of snape [12:57] <fawkes28> i think sirius is trying to live through them - who can balme him [12:57] <JaneMarple9> what a question!! [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that the Toad was hesitant to make a decision on this [12:57] <becky920> I think Umbridge is trying to work out whose side Snape is on. [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [12:57] <fawkes28> if i was trapped in a house i would do the same thing [12:57] <Poet> I think she's hoping he'll be more like Filch in helping her [12:57] <cbm> A snape/toad ship gives me the chills [12:57] <JaneMarple9> couldn't have put it better becky [12:58] <becky920> She probably knew Malfoy trusted him, but wasn't sure since he was at Hogwart's if he was Dumbledore's man [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that there is where being Lucius's lapdog probably came in handy [12:58] <JaneMarple9> a snapbridge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [12:58] <Expelliarmas> I think Umbridge has heard from Lucius about Snape [12:58] <becky920> Ewwwww... I know you guys didn't just go there. [12:58] <becky920> Lockhart/Umbridge was ugly enough. [12:58] <Expelliarmas> She may have also heard from Fudge that he's mentally unstable [12:58] <JaneMarple9> yes expie [12:58] *** DMD has joined #lounge [12:58] <cbm> I think she is wary of him because Dumbledore hired him, but at the same time he is recomended by Lucius [12:58] <Spectre> I think Umbridge needed to know if he could provide some certain potions for her, among other things [12:59] <becky920> Oooh, I'd forgotten about that, expie. [12:59] <JaneMarple9> fudge didn't have a high opinion of snape [12:59] <fawkes28> testing [12:59] <DMD> Hi all, long time no see [12:59] <Expelliarmas> we see you, fawkes [12:59] <becky920> I think sometime shortly after this lesson she decides he's on her side, and tries to use him. [12:59] <becky920> But at this lesson I think it's clear she's unsure [12:59] <JaneMarple9> he was frightened at snape's rage at the end of book 3 and book 4 [12:59] <Expelliarmas> exactly, Jane [12:59] <cbm> The 2 teachers who are fired were both hired by Dumbledore, so I think that is a strike against snape and makes her suspicious of him [13:00] <JaneMarple9> umbridge really isn't sure which side snape is on [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Why does Snape seem so angry about Umbridge questioning him? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:00] <cbm> Her and everybody else [13:00] <Expelliarmas> Snape doesn'tlike being questioned. period. [13:00] <becky920> He's just grouchy and unpleasant in general. [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> It was insulting to Snape [13:00] <JaneMarple9> is he on albus side - which is bad - or the ministry side - which could put her nose out of joint [13:00] <Spectre> Also, Umbridge most probably needs to see the relations between Snape and Harry [13:00] <cbm> Because he does not take critism well [13:00] <DMD> I also thinks she tests him to see if he's really any good since she fancies herself so superior This post has been edited by Poet: May 5 2007, 02:43 PM |
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