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MJLeakyCon View Member Profile	May 12 2007, 02:09 PM Post #1
She Who Channels Rita Skeeter Posts: 2,938 Joined: 11:40pm January 17, 2006 Location: Twiddling My Time-Turner	Today's Moderators: Expelliarmas, futureweasley, Aislinn, cloudpic, Prongs Patronus [12:59] * futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:59] * Topic is: Open discussion on Order of the Phoenix Chapters [13:00] * Sophia40 has joined #lounge [13:00] * Spectre has joined #lounge [13:00] <Spectre> hi all [13:01] <Aislinn> hi folks [13:01] <Sophia40> Yeah I finally made it back! [13:01] * JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [13:01] <futureweasley> woot! [13:01] <futureweasley> welcome back! [13:02] * Nezza has joined #lounge [13:02] <futureweasley> hi Jane! [13:02] <JaneMarple9> smile It must be Saturday or Sunday - I'm in the Booth! [13:02] <JaneMarple9> Hi all! [13:02] <Nezza> hi everyone [13:02] <futureweasley> hello Spectre, Nezza and Sophia! Happy Saturday! [13:02] <Spectre> yeah, Saturday's about the only day I can make it here smile [13:03] <JaneMarple9> saturdays are always good! [13:03] <Nezza> when's the next pottercast [13:03] <futureweasley> this time of year, "real life" seems to kick into high gear for me,too! [13:03] <JaneMarple9> and sundays arem't bad either smile [13:03] <futureweasley> Nezza, PC usually comes out Monday mornings [13:03] <Nezza> oh rite great thanks [13:03] <Sophia40> Happy Saturday [13:03] * Punky has joined #lounge [13:04] <futureweasley> today, we are going to talk about the chapters being covered in the Reading Groups for Order of the Phoenix [13:04] <Nezza> kk [13:04] <futureweasley> which should be excited...we had some good chapters this week! [13:04] <futureweasley> welcome Punky! [13:04] <Punky> Good Morning smile [13:05] <futureweasley> good afternoon [13:05] <JaneMarple9> next week are the "biggie" chapters!! [13:05] <Sophia40> when I read the chapters I get caught up and keep reading hahahahaha [13:05] <Punky> or that [13:05] <futureweasley> yes, there are come BIG chapters next week...that is for sure [13:05] * bemused has joined #lounge [13:05] <futureweasley> hi bemused [13:06] <JaneMarple9> hi bemused smile [13:06] <bemused> Hello future! [13:06] <bemused> and Jane [13:06] <futureweasley> how are things? [13:06] <bemused> OK [13:06] *** Nezza has quit [Bye] [13:07] <futureweasley> just OK? sad [13:07] <futureweasley> it's Saturday! it's gorgeous here in Michigan [13:07] <bemused> Well - it's been cold and dull here - but at least the sun's shining now [13:08] <Sophia40> It is orver cast here in Washington [13:08] <bemused> and as you say - it is Saturday!! [13:08] <Spectre> it's heavy rain in Moscow smile [13:08] <futureweasley> Sun is good! Get those rays and kick the "winter blues" [13:08] <Aislinn> it's a beautiful day in NY - lots of sunshine, but not super hot [13:08] <JaneMarple9> heavy rain in england too! [13:08] <futureweasley> I love what we are all over the world...Moscow, that's so cool [13:08] <Expelliarmas> it would be sunny in Miami, but for the whole smoke-from-fires-thing [13:08] <bemused> HAsn't the sun reached you yet, Jane? [13:08] <futureweasley> and the UK, of course [13:08] <JaneMarple9> got the same weather as moscow- who'd had thought! [13:09] <Sophia40> I want hot right now but alas that is not the case [13:09] * futureweasley pokes Jane [13:09] <JaneMarple9> well it has...but it keeps hiding! [13:09] <futureweasley> I bet Arizona is HOT and Dry, yes Punky? [13:09] <Spectre> maybe, it's raining all over Europe? biggrin [13:09] <bemused> Bad luck - it's really clear here now [13:10] <futureweasley> I actually got a sunburn this week...I was positively giddy [13:10] <bemused> No - this is England too, Spectre, but a long way south of Jane [13:10] <bemused> Steady on, future - sunburn!!!! [13:10] <futureweasley> just a reminder to grab my sunscreen and throw it in my purse [13:11] <Spectre> I was told that in Murmansk, it's actually snowing smile [13:11] <futureweasley> OMG! [13:11] <futureweasley> it's May! [13:11] <Spectre> well, Murmansk is way way North [13:11] <Sophia40> Oh well I don't feel so bad then [13:11] <futureweasley> ahhh [13:12] <bemused> Nice for polar bears.... [13:12] <futureweasley> lol [13:12] <futureweasley> yes, the bears love it, I'm sure [13:12] <Spectre> it's beyond the Arctic circle [13:12] <futureweasley> bears, beets, Battlestar Gallactica [13:12] <Sophia40> does anyone live there? [13:12] <futureweasley> US, in Michigan [13:13] <Spectre> yes, Murmansk is a relatively big city [13:13] <bemused> Isn't Murmansk a port [13:13] <Spectre> yeah it is [13:14] <Spectre> a non-freezing port, if I remember it right [13:14] <Sophia40> And it is snowing there? Wow! [13:14] <futureweasley> shall we begin? [13:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [13:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [13:15] <futureweasley> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [13:15] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [13:15] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [13:15] <Expelliarmas> Being a rebel teacher gives Harry buoyancy. Neville makes big improvements. They even have a way to set meetings. There’s a big Slytherin/Gryffindor Quidditch match, even the teachers get into it. Ron’s confidence waivers. Luna supports Gryffindor. Hermione gives Ron a good luck peck. The Slytherin’s reveal their “Weasley Is Our King” campaign. [13:15] <Expelliarmas> The Gryffindors manage to win. Malfoy insults Molly. Harry and George beat Malfoy’s backside to the curb. Sadly, Fred was kept from the beatdown. Harry and the twins, courtesy of the Toad are banned for life. Ron, who had been busy throwing himself a pity party, offered to resign from the team. [13:16] <Expelliarmas> The Trio sneak a visit to a mangled Hagrid who just returned from the land of the giants. That didn’t go well. The Toad hops over for a visit. That went badly. Hmmm, she might know where he’s been. Wonder how ... Hermione tries to warn Hagrid about the Toad, but he doesn’t take the hint. Worse still, he has something special to teach them. [13:16] <Expelliarmas> Thanks to Room 18–The Atrium and Chamber 88 for the introduction. Ready? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 19 and 20. [13:16] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of Harry’s management of the DA?[b] [13:16] <Spectre> pretty well [13:16] <futureweasley> I think that Harry exudes confidence and wisdom beyond his years [13:16] <JaneMarple9> very good [13:16] * dumbleydore18 has joined #lounge [13:16] <bemused> It's excellent - he seems to be a natural teacher [13:17] <JaneMarple9> he is much more confident - as he can see that the DA want to learn from him [13:17] <futureweasley> he's stepped into a position to really take charge of a generation of wizards and won't roll over and accept their collective fate... [13:17] <Expelliarmas> You know, he had quidditch practice, school, the Toad, being seen as a whacko all at the same time. the kid handles pressure well [13:17] <JaneMarple9> they believe in him [13:17] <dumbleydore18> hello all! What seems to be the latest question? [13:17] * Sophia40 has quit [Bye] [13:17] <Spectre> and a natural leader. I wonder if he'd become a Hogwarts Headmaster at some point smile [13:17] * Sophia40 has joined #lounge [13:17] <JaneMarple9> that would be good spectre [13:18] <futureweasley> I agree Expie, he's definitely got a full plate [13:18] <Expelliarmas> repeating the question: [b]What did you think of Harry’s management of the DA? [13:18] <futureweasley> and lots of pressure to deal with [13:18] <JaneMarple9> i see him more a DADA teacher though [13:18] <futureweasley> I think that he is a great teacher...and that he really has the best interest of the group at heart [13:18] <JaneMarple9> The DA gives harry to concentrate on [13:18] <futureweasley> a focus...I agree Jane [13:18] <Expelliarmas> Something positive to concentrate on, very true Jane [13:19] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of Hermione taking a lesson from Voldemort? [13:19] <dumbleydore18> His management for me was a lot like how Lupin taught. Lupin was patient and gave confidence to those who had none (ie. Neville) [13:19] <futureweasley> there is so much "crap" going on...he has something to remind him about the good [13:19] <bemused> It's also giving him back a tremendous amount in confidence [13:19] <Spectre> the Protean charm? Did she actually know how Voldemort used his Dark Mar? [13:19] <Sophia40> With everything taken away from him he finds something in which he is truely good at [13:19] <Spectre> hm... yes, she did [13:19] <futureweasley> yes, I think that's what is being referred to [13:20] <futureweasley> honestly, noone has ever accused LV of being an idiot... [13:20] <Expelliarmas> Someone in our room, I think leakylurker, made the point that Hermione evaluates magic and uses it accordingly. So to her, it was no big deal that LV used the protan charm first [13:20] <dumbleydore18> I think that it was really great that Hermione took the evilness of Voldemort and turned it into good. They are in a class to help defeat evil, so what better way to use an evil tactic for good? [13:20] <JaneMarple9> well she saw the dark mark being produced in book 4 [13:20] <JaneMarple9> at the QWC [13:20] <bemused> It shows how resourceful she is - to take her ideas from anywhere and make them work for her [13:20] <futureweasley> I think that Hermione using the protean shows her ingenuity [13:20] <JaneMarple9> and she's probably read books on it too [13:20] <futureweasley> yes bemused... [13:21] <JaneMarple9> yes hermione was clever the way she used the protean charm [13:21] <futureweasley> to dip into every and all influences to find something that works...it takes both brains and guts [13:21] <Spectre> I think it's not important for Hermione who used certain things before her, usefulness is what she values most [13:21] <Expelliarmas> I think Sooner or leakylurker, also made the point that magic itself is not good or evil, it depends what the wizard does with it that makes it good or evil. I would agree with thatexception of the unforgivables. [13:21] <JaneMarple9> a lot of witches and wizards wouldn;t have been able to do it [13:22] <Aislinn> yes, expie, I'd agree with that as well [13:22] <Sophia40> The protean is a advanced magick [13:22] <bemused> Yes, that's a good point [13:22] <dumbleydore18> exactly Expie [13:22] <Spectre> and Hermione's Protean charm is a bit different from Voldemort's [13:22] <dumbleydore18> its used for good [13:22] <futureweasley> well, the only difference is that it's not branded into them [13:23] <JaneMarple9> it's the exact opposite [13:23] <futureweasley> they have the choice to carry it or not [13:23] <futureweasley> otherwise, the idea behind it is the same [13:23] <Spectre> It sets the date of meeting rather than delivers the message "I need you right here and now" [13:23] <JaneMarple9> the coins can be dismissed as unimportant [13:23] <Expelliarmas> The Sorting Hat considered putting Hermione into Ravenclaw, but it decided to put her in Gryffindor. How does this compare with Harry’s Gryffindor/Slytherin dilemma? [13:23] <dumbleydore18> I find the fact that it heats up interesting [13:24] <JaneMarple9> it is very similar [13:24] <futureweasley> I think it's interesting that we find that out [13:24] <Sophia40> Is the Portean charm away to communicate or something else! [13:24] <futureweasley> I don't think that Hermione asked the sorting hat to put her into Gryffindor [13:25] <JaneMarple9> hermione has qualities of ravenclaw and gryffindor just as harry has qualities of slytherin and gryffindor [13:25] <bemused> I don't know - she might have done [13:25] <Expelliarmas> I think she did. She preferred Gryffindor, but didn't think Ravenclaw would be so bad. [13:25] <futureweasley> how would Hermione know the difference between the houses at that point? [13:25] <dumbleydore18> Harry gave the hat a choice, while Hermione didn't. Hermione didn't sit in the chair going "not ravenclaw not ravenclaw" [13:25] <Spectre> Maybe, the Hat thought that Hermione's Gryffindor traits wouldn't do good in Ravenclaw? [13:25] <bemused> She does actually say that she likes the sound of Gryffindor [13:25] <JaneMarple9> i think hermione said when she met ron and harry on the train in the first book that she hoped she would be in gryffindor [13:26] <bemused> She probably read about it - in 'Hogwarts - a History' [13:26] <futureweasley> unless she had a similar experience with a Slytherin like Harry did...the only thing that Harry knew was that Malfoy was sorted into Slytherin, and that Ron said that "bad" wizards haled from that house [13:26] <Expelliarmas> Actually, Harry didn't give the Hat a choice. He clearly said, "not Slytherin, not Slytherin" [13:26] <futureweasley> right Expie [13:26] <JaneMarple9> yes more than probably bemused [13:26] <futureweasley> I don't think Hermione exerted that same demand [13:26] <futureweasley> that's possible Spectre [13:26] <Aislinn> I think she did make her preference known, even if not as explicitly as Harry did [13:26] <bemused> But that's interesting - do you think the hat could have over-ruled Harry? [13:26] <Expelliarmas> Hermione knew all about Hogwarts before she even got on the train to Hogwarts for the first year [13:27] <JaneMarple9> i think hermione would have suited any house - yes even slytherin [13:27] <JaneMarple9> she could have been the first good slytherin for centuries [13:27] <dumbleydore18> no not slytherin [13:27] <Aislinn> I think the Hat also figured out that it was important to bring out all her qualities, and that was more likely to occur in Gryffindor than in Ravenclaw [13:27] <Sophia40> We are all going on the assumbtion that the Hat makes your choice for you hahahahahah Way to stand together! [13:27] <futureweasley> I highly doubt that Slytherin would have been painted in a bad light in Hogwarts, A History. It's a reference book. [13:28] <Expelliarmas> That's an interesting point, Aislinn. That the hat considered which house would bring out the students' qualities best. Perhaps that's how Neville ended up in Gryffindor [13:28] <futureweasley> I don't think that Hermione would have had the inclination that Ravenclaw was not the house for her [13:28] <bemused> That's a good point, Aislinn - in Ravenclaw she would only have had her books [13:28] <futureweasley> as she obviously highly values her cleverness [13:28] <bemused> and not the challenges friendship with Harry set for her [13:29] <Spectre> Concerning the Sorting Hat... is there always equal number of student sorted into each house each year, or it was just a coincidence in Harry's year? [13:29] <dumbleydore18> Hermione's slytherin ways were not slytherinish, they were Gryffindor qualities trying to be brave. [13:29] <JaneMarple9> probably a equal number in all [13:29] <Aislinn> that's very possible, expie [13:29] <JaneMarple9> we only hear the important pupils being sorted though [13:30] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:30] <Sophia40> I think that they are equal every year [13:30] <Expelliarmas> I disagree, fw, Hermione at the end of PS/SS clearly told Harry there was more to life than books/cleverness. She clearly valued Harry's bravery over books/cleverness [13:30] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:30] <Spectre> and also first and last alphabetically [13:30] <Spectre> so if Harry would have been sorted into Slytherin and Hermione into Ravenclaw, some other two students would have ended up in Gryffindor? [13:30] <futureweasley> I think that Hermione learned a lot that first year [13:30] <futureweasley> at the beginning, though, she didn't have friends [13:30] <Expelliarmas> I think that was always within her, perhaps the Hat understood that about her [13:31] <Expelliarmas> Just because she had no friends did not mean she did not value bravery over her books or that the hat would not understand that aspect of her personality [13:31] <futureweasley> right, I think the hat is a bit of a "divine" tool...looking for the potential in people...not necessarily what they possess at the moment they are sorted, but what they can learn going forward [13:31] <Expelliarmas> McGonagall refrains from assigning homework and tells the boys she doesn’t want to hand over the Cup to Snape. What does this say about House rivalries amongst the teachers? [13:32] <futureweasley> it's so cute [13:32] <dumbleydore18> oh Aislinn got your message, sorry didn't see it until now [13:32] <bemused> they're just as intense as they are between kids [13:32] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:32] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:32] <futureweasley> she's got Gryffindor pride... [13:32] <JaneMarple9> it shows that McGonagall can be lenient [13:32] * cbm has joined #lounge [13:32] <Expelliarmas> and he's got Slytherin sneakiness [13:32] <futureweasley> right [13:32] <cbm> Hi everyone! [13:32] <Spectre> McGonagall once taught Snape, so probably she didn't want to lose to her former student, among all smile [13:32] <futureweasley> hi cbm [13:32] <dumbleydore18> Aislinn, got your message [13:33] <Aislinn> I see - thanks smile [13:33] <JaneMarple9> yes she's gpt gryffindor pride - shes a true gryffindor [13:33] <JaneMarple9> hi cbm [13:33] <futureweasley> I think that she and Snape have a "healthy" competitive streak [13:33] <Expelliarmas> heya, cbm [13:33] <JaneMarple9> very possible yes future [13:33] <futureweasley> I think she wants to see her kids achieve their potential [13:33] <Spectre> Flitwick and Sprout are less concerned in Quidditch, it seems [13:33] <bemused> Yes - it always seems to me that she and Snape have a good working relationship [13:34] <Expelliarmas> I think she doesn't want to give that Cup back, at all, ever [13:34] <cbm> I think she plays fair though, unlike snape [13:34] <futureweasley> I agree Expie [13:34] <futureweasley> she totally loves being the Quidditch victors [13:34] <futureweasley> to the victors go the spoils, right? [13:34] <Spectre> Maybe both McGonagall and Snape are former Quidditch players themselves? Snape refereed a match, after all [13:34] <dumbleydore18> I think it takes us back to the whole "being united" thing, if there are rivalries with Quidditch amonst the teachers then Hogwarts truley isn't united. [13:34] <Expelliarmas> we don't know that they are less concerned because we don't get the story from their eyes. I think the other teachers would love to win for their houses [13:34] <JaneMarple9> yes dumbley good point [13:35] <Expelliarmas> Snape hogs the pitch for his team and pretends not to notice Slytherin attempts to hex Gryffindor players. McGonagall does not engage in these practices. What do you make of his interference in the process? [13:35] * Punky has quit [Bye] [13:35] <Spectre> A typically Slytherin behaviour [13:35] <cbm> He is being his normal self [13:35] <futureweasley> he's desperate for his students favor and approval [13:35] <Expelliarmas> Maybe that's how he makes up for not being athletic as a kid [13:35] <cbm> fairness means nothing to him, only winning [13:35] <futureweasley> he's still a teenaged boy looking for the approval of the cool guys [13:36] <JaneMarple9> typical snape behavious [13:36] <bemused> That's a good way of looking at it, future [13:36] * ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [13:36] <futureweasley> the scars of his adolescence are deep [13:36] <JaneMarple9> a leopard never changes his spots smile [13:36] <futureweasley> hi Prongs [13:36] <bemused> He is almost following the behaviour of his students [13:36] <futureweasley> exactly Jane [13:36] <Spectre> For some reason, I remembered the Russian Soccer Championship, but it would be totally off topic here smile [13:36] <JaneMarple9> hi there prongs [13:36] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [13:36] <Spectre> hi Prongs [13:37] <cbm> but he has never grown up, maybe the dark mark stunted his emotional growth and he is still stuck at the age he took it [13:37] <Expelliarmas> oh my, i thought that said the "dork" mark [13:37] <Sophia40> Snape encourages the rivalries He hasn't really given up his childhood prejudeces [13:37] <dumbleydore18> Well, Snape is a slytherin and slytherins tend to do things for himself. I don't see it as Snape being childish or going back to his teen years, I see his team getting everything the slytherin way. [13:37] <JaneMarple9> snape has a determination to win [13:37] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:37] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:37] <futureweasley> I think it was more than the dark mark that stunted his emotional growth [13:37] <bemused> lol Expie!!!!! [13:37] <futureweasley> he was bullied [13:38] <Expelliarmas> Would Slughorn condone such a thing as Head of House? [13:38] <futureweasley> lol [13:38] <bemused> Yes, I think he probably would [13:38] <cbm> No, unless it was one of his slug club [13:38] <ProngsPatronus> no, I don't think so [13:38] <bemused> but in a different way [13:38] <futureweasley> Slughorn wouldn't care as long as his wine goblet was full and he had a healthy supply of crystalized pineapple [13:38] <Spectre> What house was that famous Quidditch player he knew from? smile [13:38] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:38] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:38] <ProngsPatronus> his Slug Club is "non-denominational" [13:38] <JaneMarple9> Slughorn isn't as devoted to Slytherin as Snape is [13:38] <JaneMarple9> he doesn't favour slytherin as much [13:38] <Aislinn> I don't think he would have been as blatantly partisan as Snape is [13:39] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think it has anything to do with Slytherin, frankly [13:39] <futureweasley> again, Slughorn is a product of life experiences [13:39] <Spectre> Slughorn would work behind the scenes rather than so obviously [13:39] <bemused> I can't really see Slughorn as an athlete, but he does champion Slytherin in his own way [13:39] <bemused> He's a much more laid-back character [13:39] <futureweasley> yes bemused [13:39] <futureweasley> I completely agree [13:40] <Spectre> Like bribery (crystallized pineapples included biggrin) [13:40] <JaneMarple9> yes bemused [13:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think he would be a fair beater, if he could find a broom to hold him [13:40] <dumbleydore18> Slughorn is a very interesting pickle to decipher...I would have to say no because of the way he treated Harry in HBP. Slughorn is more of a SLytherin in the aspect of "knowing who's who" in getting what he wants. I don't see him being malicious in his tactics through playing quidditch. [13:40] <Sophia40> Yes I think slughorn is alittle a subtle about his influences [13:41] <Spectre> Or Slughorn might have prepared some "special" potion for his players [13:41] <cbm> I think the reason he would not do it, is because it would be blatant and make himself look bad, snape never cared how he looked [13:41] <Spectre> Not FF, but something of a doping smile [13:41] <Aislinn> good point, cbm [13:41] <Expelliarmas> Why does Luna support Gryffindor? What did you make of her hat? [13:41] <futureweasley> I love that hat [13:41] <Spectre> Sje [13:42] <Spectre> She's from DA [13:42] <dumbleydore18> I love everything about LUna, so I loved her hat! [13:42] <bemused> Luna is oblivious to house loyalties - she supports her friends [13:42] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, spectre [13:42] <cbm> I think it is because they are not slytherin [13:42] <cbm> I love the lion! [13:42] <bemused> and maybe has a twinkle in the eye for Ron [13:42] <ProngsPatronus> her friends are in Gryffindor, so she roots for them [13:42] <bemused> and teh hat is fabulous! [13:42] <bemused> the [13:42] <cbm> I take that back, supporting her friends is much more in character [13:42] <Spectre> Rooting against your friend's rivals, that is [13:43] <ProngsPatronus> I see Luna as an essentially positive character [13:43] <Aislinn> I think the ravenclaws are usually pretty friendly with the gryffindors, and more alike than with the Slytherins [13:43] <JaneMarple9> yes lunas hat is great [13:43] <ProngsPatronus> she roots for, not against [13:43] <cbm> true prongs, that is why I changed my mind [13:43] <JaneMarple9> the way she supports other houses [13:44] <cbm> I gave the reason why I would root for gryffindor [13:44] <JaneMarple9> luna doesn't show favourtism [13:44] <Spectre> Who would she support in Gryffindor vs. Hufflepuff match? [13:44] <cbm> ronald? [13:44] <dumbleydore18> I see Luna as the path of uniting Hogwarts. She doesn't root for anyone during quidditch, but rooting for people she supports. [13:44] <Expelliarmas> See, I think Luna has a bit of a thing for Ron [13:45] <cbm> so do it [13:45] <bemused> Yes, cbm, I think Ronald would swy the balance [13:45] <cbm> so do i [13:45] <bemused> sway [13:45] <futureweasley> Makani has a great fan art pic of Harry and Luna and her Gryffindor hat [13:46] <bemused> Oh bother - I have to go now. Bye everyone! [13:46] * bemused left #lounge [] [13:46] <Expelliarmas> bye, bemused [13:46] <Spectre> Did Luna make this hat herself? [13:46] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of the Slytherin “Weasley is Our King” campaign? What did you make of the sing-song and its use during the match?** [13:46] <JaneMarple9> yes luna does seem fond of ron [13:46] <Spectre> It's a typical "anti-support" thing [13:46] <futureweasley> ok, I cry everytime I read this part [13:46] <Spectre> O [13:47] <JaneMarple9> totally evil [13:47] <futureweasley> it's just so underminded, yet right in Ron's face [13:47] <cbm> very typical thing for people who only care about winning and not how you win [13:47] <JaneMarple9> just the sort of thing draco and his cronies would do! [13:47] <futureweasley> getting into someone psyche and insecurities and exploiting them is just beyond wicked, IMO [13:47] <Spectre> I'm into sport support, the fans of every team have all kinds of nasty songs about their rivals [13:47] <Sophia40> I think that the Huflpuffs be huge in DH because we really have not had somthing big from that house [13:47] <ProngsPatronus> it is a classic "hit 'em where it hurts" campaign [13:47] <cbm> goes very well with the no good and evil, only power thing in my opinion [13:47] <futureweasley> yes Prongs [13:47] <JaneMarple9> young adults can be very cruel [13:48] <Expelliarmas> the hit him where it hurts campaign is right up their alley [13:48] <JaneMarple9> but that song was really hurtful [13:48] <futureweasley> it's really quite immature, when you think about it [13:48] * dumbleydore18 does the Hufflepuff dance, i'm a Hufflepuff! [13:48] <cbm> Well their head of house is immature [13:48] <futureweasley> yes, cbm, they come by it honestly [13:48] <JaneMarple9> and greasy...and a murderer....nice head of house biggrin [13:48] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [13:48] <Expelliarmas> actually, it wasn't that immature. It was very insightful and took advantage of Ron. Think he learned from daddy. [13:49] <Spectre> If I was a Slytherin supporter, I'd write similar songs about every Gryffindor player [13:49] <futureweasley> like I said, hitting WAY below the belt [13:49] <dumbleydore18> I didn't think that it was right for the slytherins to sing that song during the match, but doesn't Gryffindor take that and turn it to good? In support of Gryffindor and Ron? [13:49] <ProngsPatronus> Ron is a member of a blood traitor family--I think that figures into the attack as welll [13:49] <JaneMarple9> yes it was cleverly but cruelly done - and yes future way below the belt [13:49] <Spectre> Sport is cruel, anyway [13:49] <Expelliarmas> yes, Prongs it likely added more venom [13:50] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:50] <futureweasley> oh yes, Prongs...the kids have venom from the ignorance of their upbringing [13:50] <ProngsPatronus> because this is the only instance we see of the Slytherins doing this [13:50] <Expelliarmas> “Weasley is Our King” hmmm, any foreshadowing connection to Godric Gryffindor? Any unintended connection to the Arthurian legends? [13:50] <cbm> I do not think sport is cruel [13:50] <ProngsPatronus> they didn't do it for Harry [13:50] <cbm> Harry would laugh at them! [13:50] <futureweasley> wow, I had never thought of that Expie [13:51] <JaneMarple9> well apparently King Arthur (Mr Weasley?) had a lance called Ronald [13:51] <ProngsPatronus> I do think it has alchemical significance [13:51] <Aislinn> the alchemists think it has most to do with alchemical symbols [13:51] <Expelliarmas> Truth be told, I didn't think of it either, fw; cloudpic did. [13:51] <Spectre> Weasleys as descendants of Gryffindor? [13:51] <Aislinn> snap, prongs [13:51] <futureweasley> lol [13:51] <ProngsPatronus> lol [13:51] <futureweasley> well, tell us about it. What's the connection? [13:51] <JaneMarple9> that woulld be good spectre [13:52] <Spectre> and Luna - a descendant of Ravenclaw, THIS I want to see smile [13:52] <Aislinn> there is something about a red king, and the quarreling couple [13:52] <cbm> I think that JKR is trying too find a way for ron to grow up, show the cruelty of the slytherins, and also be funny at the same time. I think she did a great job of it! [13:52] <ProngsPatronus> there is a point in the alchemical process called the chemical marriage, between the red King and white Queen [13:52] <ProngsPatronus> yes--they are the quarreling couple [13:52] <cbm> would that be Ron and Hermione? [13:52] <ProngsPatronus> yes [13:52] <Aislinn> all on the way to create the philosopher's stone - the Quintessence [13:52] <futureweasley> how does Hermione = "white queen"? [13:52] <Aislinn> which is Harry [13:53] <ProngsPatronus> she was born a Virgo, for one [13:53] <JaneMarple9> sounds as if Hermione and Ron are the junior Arthur and Molly [13:53] <dumbleydore18> I've always referred the "weasley is our king" to one of Harry's dreams about ROn and Hermione wearing crowns. Kings wear crowns, so I don't know how that would fit into the Arthurian legends with a crown, but I like the Ronald refference. [13:53] <cbm> OK [13:53] <JaneMarple9> yes dumbley i've noticed that dream too [13:53] <futureweasley> but she's muggleborn...is that an issue in the equation? [13:54] <ProngsPatronus> that has been used to bolster the fact that they are the participants in the wedding [13:54] <ProngsPatronus> no [13:54] <JaneMarple9> well arthurs a muggle lover! [13:54] <dumbleydore18> yes! [13:54] <ProngsPatronus> it is not that she is muggleborn, but that she helps Harry reach his goal of Quintessence [13:54] * cbm gets lost everytime he ventures into alchemy [13:54] <futureweasley> me too cbm [13:55] <futureweasley> but I would like to understand it... [13:55] <futureweasley> someday [13:55] <JaneMarple9> not inyo alchemy either! [13:55] <ProngsPatronus> lol--well, I am not the science expert in this [13:55] <JaneMarple9> into* [13:55] <Sophia40> me too cbm [13:55] <Spectre> We had the Half-Blood Prince, now there's a Muggleborn Queen and a Pure-Blood King? smile [13:55] <ProngsPatronus> but, I can give you the mystics' viewpoints [13:55] <futureweasley> Prongs and Aislinn are wonderful teachers...I always glean a lot from them [13:55] <cbm> I am thinking that august might be a good time [13:55] <Aislinn> Have you considered whether the Slytherin team are a metaphor for the Death Eaters? If so, then how do they match up? [13:55] <futureweasley> lol, you and me hit the Alchemy threads in August...deal cbm? [13:56] <cbm> OK [13:56] <ProngsPatronus> lol--Draco is their Dark Lord, all right [13:56] <Sophia40> On the cover of the Uk cover they do look like they are "royal robes" [13:56] <Spectre> Voldemort didn't buy his place among the Death Eaters biggrin [13:56] <futureweasley> all their daddies are death eaters [13:56] <cbm> Draco is a spoiled no talent child, Voldemort is nothing like that [13:57] <Spectre> And there are no girls in the team, as far as I remember [13:57] <JaneMarple9> thats right [13:57] <Spectre> the only team without girls [13:57] <JaneMarple9> the slytherin are all boy team [13:57] <cbm> they are chosen for size, not skill [13:57] <Spectre> Chauvinism? (sp?) biggrin [13:58] <dumbleydore18> I see the only connections of the slytherin's being through their parents. I think they try to act cool because of what their parents are like or are trying to be influenced by them. They are not acting by choice, but rather by what's easy [13:58] <Sophia40> how sexist is that! [13:58] <JaneMarple9> they let crabbe and goyle join biggrin [13:58] <JaneMarple9> very much so spectre! [13:58] <Spectre> Except Malfoy, he's not particularly large smile [13:58] <Spectre> but he has a large wallet, so that probably counts [13:58] <dumbleydore18> what do ou mean he's not? [13:59] <dumbleydore18> he threatened the wizengamot [13:59] <cbm> Malfoy is rich and supplied the toys, so they have to let him play [13:59] <Spectre> Malfoy isn't big in size, that I meant smile [13:59] * cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:59] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of Jordan’s Quidditch commentary? What about McGonagall’s efforts to rein in Jordan during the match?** [13:59] <dumbleydore18> well, which Malfoy? [13:59] <JaneMarple9> hi cloud ! [13:59] <Spectre> Draco [13:59] <cbm> hi cloudpic! [13:59] <JaneMarple9> funny as usual smile [13:59] * cloudpic waves to wonderful chatters! [14:00] <Spectre> hi cloudpic [14:00] <Sophia40> Malfoy is sneavling prat [14:00] <dumbleydore18> hi cloupic [14:00] <Expelliarmas> I love the interaction between them. Eventually, McG is so furious she stops taking issue with Jordan [14:00] <JaneMarple9> McGonagall is doing her best not to show favourtism but failing dismally [14:00] <dumbleydore18> cloudpic* [14:00] <cloudpic> Lee Jordan did try to outshout the ugly song though... so he was trying to help the Gryffs! [14:00] <JaneMarple9> yes he was! [14:00] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:00] <Expelliarmas> Lee is such a cool guy and he protects his friends [14:00] <JaneMarple9> then again he's the twins best mate and also a gryffindor [14:01] <cloudpic> Either that or she became equally incensed at the Slytherins efforts to "psych" poor Ron [14:01] <JaneMarple9> wise to have a gryffindor commentrator on a gryffindor match? smile [14:01] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:01] <ProngsPatronus> the fact is, he called the Slytherins on their rule-breaking [14:01] <dumbleydore18> Idon't think McGonagall thinks anything of the commentary, I just think she doesn't want to look bad, if she could do the commontary herself think how much funnier that would be! [14:01] <cbm> I like his commentary [14:01] <Spectre> Luna Lovegood's commentary was hilarious, but it's another issue smile [14:01] <cloudpic> You've got to give McGonagall credit, she does "let" Lee do the commentary, that's risky in itself. [14:01] <ProngsPatronus> an unwelcome truth in that game, and one which Madame Hooch largely ignored [14:02] <Aislinn> Lee's commentary is hysterical [14:02] <JaneMarple9> he really does give life to the commentry [14:02] <cbm> I think her commentary would be very dry [14:02] <Expelliarmas> Yes, there should have been 5 referees for that game [14:02] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [14:02] <cloudpic> I don't know, Dumbley, I think she isn't just thinking of appearances, but trying to have them all understand good sportsmanship [14:02] <Expelliarmas> After the match, rather than join the team, Ron dejectedly walked away to the changing rooms alone. What did you think of his behavior? [14:02] <JaneMarple9> oh McGonagall couldn't have been able to hide her gryffindor favourtism [14:02] <JaneMarple9> he was very sad [14:03] <cloudpic> awwww... I felt so sorry for him... he just couldn't face anyone thinking it was all his fault [14:03] <JaneMarple9> he hadn't done a great job in saving the slytherin goals [14:03] <Aislinn> he really hasn't coped with his performance anxiety at all at this point [14:03] <cbm> He was as down as we have ever seen him [14:03] <futureweasley> he had been beaten in every way possible [14:03] <Sophia40> he was disappointed in his self [14:03] <ProngsPatronus> I thought that was right in character for Ron [14:03] <cloudpic> He lived down to his own self-doubts [14:03] <Expelliarmas> I was disappointed in him. It was his time to step up, and he went off the deep end and threw himself a pity party [14:03] <ProngsPatronus> exactly, cloudpic [14:03] <JaneMarple9> he wanted to impress, on his first professional game [14:03] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, Sophia.. I agree [14:03] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [14:03] <JaneMarple9> anf the song would be able to put anybody off [14:04] <Spectre> Ron took the song to his heart, I think [14:04] <cbm> At that point I think he believed the song [14:04] <futureweasley> well, that was a lot to weather. Jo has even said that Ron is a bit more "immature" than the others...I guess I expected it [14:04] <JaneMarple9> hi pleshette [14:04] <cloudpic> He's 15, Expie, he's not ready yet [14:04] <dumbleydore18> Ron just had really low self esteem about him playing, not just low confidence, but low self esteem as well. I am shocked that no one, if they saw him, went to go talk to him afterwards. I felt bad for him. Yet, it was just a game. [14:04] <Aislinn> yes, Jane, that would have been unnerving for even more confident players [14:04] <futureweasley> I agree cbm...his insecurities were brought to bear in front to the entire school [14:04] <dumbleydore18> I think the song also didn't help in his confidence either. [14:05] <Aislinn> yes, future, it confirmed his worst fears about himself, and very publicly [14:05] <Spectre> Some athletes actually enjoy the hate songs, but others do not, and Ron is clearly one of the "others" [14:05] <ProngsPatronus> I think there are other factors, too. Charlie was a great Quidditch player [14:05] <futureweasley> it's like having a fresh would and ripping the band aid off...it hurts, it's ugly, and you don't want everyone to see it [14:05] <cloudpic> Yes, Jane, Aislinn, that wretched song! (and Dumbley)... why weren't the Sylths stopped from being so unsportsman like? [14:05] <futureweasley> wound [14:05] <cbm> I think he was going to have a poor game no matter what, be the song made it impossible for him to play [14:05] <dumbleydore18> Ron wanted to live up to his brother's expectations rather than his own. [14:05] <Spectre> Charlie wasn't a goalkeeper... or was he? [14:05] <Sophia40> Well he enduered all that ribbing from the twins about his quidditch [14:05] <JaneMarple9> snape should had stopped them [14:05] <Aislinn> their Head of House would have had to stop them, cloudpic, and snape would certainly not choose to do so [14:06] <cloudpic> Draco understands how to push buttons... he seems to understand all the things to hurt Ron in particular [14:06] <Expelliarmas> Apparently, that kind of nastiness is condoned, because a certain head of house did nothing to curtail it [14:06] <Aislinn> charlie was a Seeker [14:06] <ProngsPatronus> another example of his pettiness [14:06] <cbm> it would have been very out of character for snape to stop them [14:06] <JaneMarple9> he was quidditch captain spectre [14:06] Moriah has joined #lounge [14:06] <Aislinn> hi Moriah smile [14:06] <Pleshette> Well, I suppose they couldn't really be stopped for just singing, they weren't technically breaking any rules [14:06] <cloudpic> Yep, Aislinn, Snape wasn't much into good sportsmanship.. scheduling the Q. poorly [14:06] <Moriah> Hi! [14:06] <Expelliarmas> Who actually won the match?** [14:07] <cloudpic> no one [14:07] <cbm> Umbridge [14:07] <Aislinn> right cloudpic [14:07] <JaneMarple9> and i think he was seeker - didn't mcgonagall says charlie weasley couldn't saved that snitch, when she saw harry on a broom for the first time [14:07] <cloudpic> ooooooo, cbm! That's true!!! [14:07] <Expelliarmas> yes, Umbridge and the Slytherins were the clear winners [14:07] <JaneMarple9> i think umbridge and draco too [14:07] <Sophia40> Is it always left to the head of house I seem to remembering Snape over stepping once or twice [14:07] <Spectre> Even though they couldn't alter the score table [14:07] <JaneMarple9> the whole of the slytherins [14:07] <futureweasley> wow cbm...what a great observation [14:07] <ProngsPatronus> I think Umbridge won that match [14:07] <Aislinn> Umbridge certainly achieved her goal [14:07] <futureweasley> Umbridge did win [14:07] <Spectre> Gryffindor won th GAME, but the match was lost [14:07] <JaneMarple9> she did [14:08] <Spectre> the [14:08] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of Malfoy’s taunts, delivered as the little coward backed away? Did you think they were too low, even for Malfoy?* [14:08] <JaneMarple9> she disorganised the whole of the gryffindor team! [14:08] <futureweasley> no, it was typical [14:08] <JaneMarple9> far too low [14:08] <futureweasley> no guts [14:08] <futureweasley> big mouth [14:08] <cbm> I think they were right in character [14:08] <Moriah> Malfoy always goes to far but he doesn't always keep going and going [14:08] <Aislinn> they were typical Malfoy sneering spew [14:08] <ProngsPatronus> I have a suspicion that the campaign of intimidation was planned [14:08] <cloudpic> I doubt Draco has a "too low" setting in his miserable little soul [14:08] <Pleshette> Well he kept pushing and pushing until he got the reaction he was looking for [14:08] <futureweasley> snark and irreverence [14:08] <JaneMarple9> typical draco and typical of his father too [14:08] <Expelliarmas> It was pure venom, it hit the mark, it was Draco through and through [14:08] <Moriah> And really wanted a response from the the Weasleys and Harry [14:08] <Pleshette> I think it was a setup [14:08] <ProngsPatronus> the song, the comments afterward [14:08] <cbm> lol cloudpic [14:08] <Spectre> Weren't those insults pre-arranged to get at least Fred and George out of the team? [14:08] <JaneMarple9> oh yes Moriah [14:08] <ProngsPatronus> too convenient, in my book [14:09] <JaneMarple9> and he got it too [14:09] <dumbleydore18> Draco wanted the reaction, and he got it, he may have been beaten to the pulp for it, but he got what he was seeking, just on himself. lol. [14:09] <Spectre> He clearly wanted someone to attack him [14:09] <Aislinn> he does have a skill at prodding sore spots [14:09] <futureweasley> Pleshette, it was a setup, I couldn't agree more [14:09] <Expelliarmas> George and Harry gave Malfoy a beatdown for insulting Molly. Did this play into Malfoy’s hands? What did you think of their reaction? [14:09] <cloudpic> These were so very mean though [14:09] <JaneMarple9> draco deserved the thrashing [14:09] <futureweasley> Draco is a right ickle button pusher...and a great student to character studies [14:09] <cloudpic> As Pleshette said earlier, it might well have been a set up [14:09] <Pleshette> Right and did you notice that Crabbe was laughing when the others went after him? [14:09] <Spectre> Fred and George's reactions are completely understandable, but Malfoy had the upper hand, I think [14:09] <ProngsPatronus> I love their reaction--it has been coming a long time [14:09] <futureweasley> he know what will undermine people, and he uses it to his advantage [14:09] <JaneMarple9> but it was playing into draco hands [14:10] <JaneMarple9> its what draco wanted [14:10] <Moriah> Exacly, Pleshette [14:10] <Moriah> And Goyle no where to be found [14:10] <cbm> Draco deserved the thrashing, but there should have been someone there to stop it from occurring [14:10] <ProngsPatronus> yes [14:10] <Expelliarmas> I think it was a plan, Hooch was clearly distracted so Malfoy had his chance [14:10] <dumbleydore18> I would have joined in the thrashing, no one inslults the Weasleys or ther Potters, not coll! [14:10] <ProngsPatronus> or Umbridge [14:10] <Aislinn> they don't back down for anyone, so it was completely in character for them to react the way they did [14:10] <cloudpic> LOL, dumbley [14:10] <Expelliarmas> Why wasn’t Malfoy banned for his role in provoking the fight? Do you think Malfoy was even punished? If not, why not? [14:10] <ProngsPatronus> a member of the Inquisitorial Squad? [14:10] <JaneMarple9> because umbridge probably interfere [14:10] <cbm> Malfoy was probably rewarded by both snape and umbridge [14:10] <Spectre> Technically, Malfoy didn't break any rules [14:10] <Pleshette> yep [14:11] <Aislinn> because he played right into Umbridge's hand,and his father has her in his pocket [14:11] <futureweasley> he sucked up to Umbridge shamelessly...a page from Lucius's book, for sure [14:11] <Sophia40> because hi is Umbridges stoolly [14:11] <ProngsPatronus> no-I don't think he would get punished [14:11] <Expelliarmas> Because he likely did Umbridge's bidding [14:11] <Moriah> A ban is too harsh, even for Malfoy [14:11] <futureweasley> yep, Aislinn...exactly [14:11] <JaneMarple9> she probably knows lucius too well [14:11] <cbm> a ban is too harsh for anyone [14:11] <cloudpic> He broke a rule of civility and of good sportsmanship... surely Hogwarts doesn't accept students insulting other students' parents [14:11] <Expelliarmas> Plus he is a Malfoy, Lucius' boy. Umbridge would never step on Lucius' toes [14:11] <Moriah> Yeah, I agree cbm [14:11] <ProngsPatronus> and his money, Jane [14:11] <cloudpic> Hogwarts isn't Smeltings [14:11] <JaneMarple9> yep - money talks [14:11] <dumbleydore18> Draco only wrote lines [14:11] <Spectre> Crabbe could have had a ban for his nasty foul, but also didn't have [14:11] <futureweasley> and Harry and the twins got a LIFETIME ban...totally garbage [14:11] <Expelliarmas> That said, Dumbledore should have suspended Malfoy for his role in all this [14:11] <Pleshette> So unfair! [14:12] <JaneMarple9> very unfair [14:12] <dumbleydore18> a mere slap on the wrist [14:12] <Moriah> I thik it was Crabbe, actually, dumbley [14:12] <cloudpic> Well, it isn't Smeltings until Umbridge starts controlling things [14:12] <JaneMarple9> they should had got points for gryffindor for beating up malfoy! [14:12] <Expelliarmas> How do you think Dumbledore knows so much about dealing with giants? Do you think Hagrid's mission was a success in any way? (We can leave Grawp out of this, since we don't know about him yet ... Mercifully.) (Chamber 88) [14:12] <cbm> I doubt he had to to do anything as he would have threatened to write his father, and then Umbridge would back off [14:12] <cloudpic> Agreed, future... and one twin didn't touch the nasty little critter [14:13] <Spectre> But he "could have done so", according to Umbridge [14:13] <JaneMarple9> perhaps dumbledore had dealings with giants in the "first war" [14:13] <cloudpic> Dumbledore represented giants before they were driven out of Britain... he'd probably been studying or visiting with them over the years as he does with all beings [14:13] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:13] * Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:13] <Moriah> I think Dumbledore probably is interested in all races and has probably had his own interactions with giants [14:13] <futureweasley> I think Dumbledore has made it his business to know about different cultures, worldwide [14:13] <ProngsPatronus> I think Dumbledore has had dealings with them before, in the first rise of Voldemort [14:13] <futureweasley> knowledge is the only true key to understanding [14:13] <JaneMarple9> when voldie was powerful, before he killed the potters [14:13] <Sophia40> That is what I am thinking Jane [14:13] <ProngsPatronus> he probably tried to influence them then, as well [14:13] <cbm> true future, he knew about the merpeople also [14:13] <cloudpic> Oh, hadn't thought of that, Prongs... but yes, they had been invovled [14:13] <futureweasley> right, and the centaurs [14:14] <JaneMarple9> and Prongs has put it much better than me smile [14:14] <Spectre> Dumbledore needed any forces he could muster [14:14] <futureweasley> he knows a lot because he cares to know a lot [14:14] <Aislinn> He seems all about forging connections [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> they were responsible for a lot of the Muggle killings then [14:14] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore's name is well known by all creatures [14:14] <Expelliarmas> Were you glad to see Hagrid return, or did it seem like an interruption to the story at this point, or what? (Chamber 88) [14:14] <Pleshette> It's hard to tell whether Hagrid was successful at this point...he started out successfully interacting with Karkus but then things went downhill from there [14:14] <cloudpic> And in the aftermath... Dumbledore tried to protect the giants... he has a good heart [14:14] <cloudpic> had [14:14] <futureweasley> yes, Aislinn...he knows that without teamwork, the wizarding world is heading for destruction [14:14] <JaneMarple9> i was glad to see him [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> I was so gald to see him! [14:14] <Spectre> Hagrid came back just in time [14:15] <Moriah> I was glad to see him but that's always a hard chapter for me to read [14:15] <cloudpic> I loved having him show up just when the kids were so low in spirits [14:15] <ProngsPatronus> it was welcome after all the bad stuff [14:15] <Pleshette> I loved when Hagrid returned! It was just what the trio needed at that point [14:15] <cbm> I was glad to see him, but it was an interuption to the flow of the story [14:15] <JaneMarple9> hogwarts wasn't the same without him [14:15] <Spectre> To cheer Harry a bit, at least [14:15] <cloudpic> Reminding them of the larger problems in their world [14:15] <Moriah> I'm sure there will be pay off for the chapter, though [14:15] <Pleshette> Yeah I agree Moriah [14:15] <cloudpic> Sort of a comparison.... the sport and the war [14:15] <JaneMarple9> but the chapter was rather forced upon us, a little pointless yes [14:15] <futureweasley> I was a bit worried about Hagrid...so I was relieved to see him after a long absence [14:15] <Moriah> Nice, cloudpic! [14:15] <dumbleydore18> I was glad to see Hagrid return, but it was interesting to learn how he got around the Giants [14:16] <Spectre> I've wondered about Madame Maxime - how could Beauxbatons work without its Headmistress? [14:16] <Spectre> And what kind of cover story she had [14:16] <Moriah> Oh, that's very interesting, Spectre [14:16] <Expelliarmas> yes, the game had to be put aside for awhile. hagrid's return did that [14:16] <cloudpic> Hadn't she returned much earlier [14:16] <JaneMarple9> perhaps beauxbatons start school later than hogwarts spectre? [14:16] <Moriah> And if Hagrid's absence was odd, how did she explain hers? [14:16] <Sophia40> Maxime was not gone as long as Hagrid [14:16] <Moriah> Oh, she did return earlier [14:16] <cbm> I thought she left and came back earlier] [14:16] <cloudpic> I think she was back earlier... Sirius or someone told the kids [14:16] <JaneMarple9> or hagrid was delayed with a certain somebody smile [14:16] <Aislinn> I think it was necessary to also set up the expected problems between Umbridge and Hagrid [14:16] <Expelliarmas> Well, Maxime returned in plenty of time. It was Hagrid who took forever to return. [14:16] <cloudpic> LOL Jane! [14:17] <Expelliarmas> What did you think of the whole giant thing? Is this necessary for the story? (Chamber 88)* [14:17] * cbm wonders how you cross the channel with a giant [14:17] <Sophia40> Hagrid was gone becuz of Grawp [14:17] <JaneMarple9> a little pointless [14:17] <Sophia40> I think it was set up for DH [14:17] <Pleshette> Yes because it shows that the DE are trying to recruit the giants to LV's side [14:17] <futureweasley> yes Sophia [14:17] <cloudpic> I like it. Their inability to live together... the inevitable self-destruction is a lesson [14:17] <JaneMarple9> i hope giants will be in book 7, so it explains why it was book 5 [14:17] <Aislinn> I think Jo is bringing in all of the creatures that will align to one side or the other of the conflict, so from that perspective it was necessary [14:17] <Spectre> The giants seem to live somewhere around Russia - Hagrid mentioned crossing the Polish border and having a fight in a bar in Minsk, Belorussia [14:17] <futureweasley> I think it will play a bigger part in the grand scheme of the story [14:18] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was very necessary--it set up Umbridge's downfall, for one thing [14:18] <cloudpic> And the respect thing in approaching the Gurg reminded me of Buckbeak a little [14:18] <JaneMarple9> oh yes cloud [14:18] <Pleshette> Oo good point cloudpic! [14:18] <JaneMarple9> great point [14:18] <cbm> I think it is a little pointless, this is what I consider the ssllooww part of the book, it may be something imortant in dh though [14:18] <cbm> consider this [14:18] <JaneMarple9> it was exactly like hagrid told harry to approach buckbeak in book 3 [14:19] <Expelliarmas> Giants seem volatile and relatively few in number. They go through leaders rather quickly and violently and so kill each other off so their numbers dwindle. Why are both sides of the war sending emissaries and trying to convince this obviously unstable group to join their side? (Chamber 007). [14:19] <Pleshette> But it shows that there is more going on outside the walls of Hogwarts, that Voldemort is at work while others are in denial [14:19] <ProngsPatronus> because of the damage they can do [14:19] <Expelliarmas> I think the Order wants the giants to stay out of it altogether; while the DEs want to use them [14:19] <Aislinn> I think LV recognizes their ability to spread fear and mayhem [14:19] <cloudpic> If the Giants were allowed to live as they naturally did (apart from one another) they wouldn't have been unstable [14:19] <Moriah> Well said, Prongs and Pleshette [14:19] <ProngsPatronus> they are also resistant to spells--look at Hagrid, and he is only half [14:19] <futureweasley> they are few in number, but extremely able. If they want to do some serious destruction, they can [14:19] <cbm> because if Voldemort has them, they can reak havov on the world, the order wants them out of the way [14:19] <Aislinn> the good side just wanted to prevent the giants joining up with the bad side [14:20] <cloudpic> It's another case where the Wizards impose their will on another group of beings to the others' ill fortune [14:20] <cloudpic> It's just the most extreme and unattrative group [14:20] <Sophia40> I thtink that if they the Giants ahd a different enamy to fight they won't fight them selves [14:20] <Spectre> I wonder if the giants ultimately turn against Voldemort just because of a sudden change in their mind [14:20] <cloudpic> *unattractive [14:20] <cbm> Voldemort is probably promising the giants things he will never give them [14:20] <Expelliarmas> At the rate the giants kill each other off, it's a wonder there are any left [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> that's a good point, sophia [14:21] <Sophia40> I can't seem to type today !hahahhah [14:21] <cloudpic> The giants must be very difficult to kill (remember how even Hagrid is so impervious to spell damage?) [14:21] <Aislinn> we learn that a giant has caused mass destruction at the outset of the next book,so the giants do

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She Who Channels Rita Skeeter Posts: 2,938 Joined: 11:40pm January 17, 2006 Location: Twiddling My Time-Turner	[14:21] <cloudpic> except by one another [14:21] <Expelliarmas> Why do you think Dumbledore provided Hagrid and Madam Maxine with the following gifts to give to the Gurg? Were they chosen for any specific reason? First the Branch of Gubraithian fire. (Room 18–The Atrium) [14:21] <Spectre> By Muggle weaponry, maybe? [14:21] <JaneMarple9> yes expie [14:21] <cloudpic> Fire is a symbol of the beginnings of civilization? [14:21] <ProngsPatronus> Gubraithian Fire is rare, even among wizards [14:22] <Expelliarmas> What is Gubraithian fire, anyhow, what does it do? [14:22] <JaneMarple9> well giants seem like magic [14:22] <futureweasley> yes Prongs...I think it's "magic" without harm or prejudice [14:22] <cloudpic> It's wonderfully useful too [14:22] <JaneMarple9> it's everlasting fire apparently [14:22] <JaneMarple9> even hermione was impressed by the gift [14:22] <Spectre> By the way, about the first Gurg's name... I read that there's an actual castle in Estonia named Karkus, and, according to a legend, a giant once lived there. [14:22] <cloudpic> Instead of an "olive branch".... something magically practical and valuable [14:22] <JaneMarple9> ah Karkus [14:23] <cloudpic> Oh, that's wonderful, Spectre! Thank you! [14:23] <futureweasley> yes cloudpic...I thought of an olive brance, too [14:23] <JaneMarple9> I think it is a play-on words for carcass - dead body of a animal [14:23] <cbm> Gubraithian Fire is an everlasting fire. When applied to a branch, the fire never dies out, and the branch isn't consumed by the flames.from http://harrypotterwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Gubraithian_Fire [14:23] <futureweasley> yes, Jane...it's crude, but I think it's possible [14:23] <cloudpic> Yes... Jo is amazing the way she uses "found" gems of words and names [14:23] <Pleshette> DD bewitched that branch to burn forever Hagrid tells us [14:23] <Expelliarmas> What about the Battle helmet? (Room 18–The Atrium) [14:24] <Pleshette> so apparently it doesn't burn forever on its on [14:24] <JaneMarple9> and yes it could be a olive branch too to befriend the giants [14:24] <JaneMarple9> very very interesting [14:24] <Spectre> and the name Karkus is apparently may have some connections to Karkaroff, the similar origins maybe [14:24] <JaneMarple9> goblin made [14:24] <Aislinn> that would be a gift that they would have valued, since battle is such a part of their culture [14:24] <JaneMarple9> oooo spectre yes! [14:24] <cloudpic> You know... it was made by Goblins! This was the first time I'd noticed that they were manufactures [14:24] <futureweasley> I don't know about that...Giants aren't known for their brains...why would they need to protect their heads? [14:24] <JaneMarple9> i never thought of that spectre [14:24] <cloudpic> LOL future... but it looks good! [14:24] <Expelliarmas> that helmet, reminds me of a certain helmet we saw on a certain cover [14:24] <Moriah> lol, future! [14:25] <dumbleydore18> well I have to go guys [14:25] <JaneMarple9> it seems to be foreshadowing [14:25] * cloudpic thinks so too Expie [14:25] <futureweasley> head injury might be an improvement [14:25] <cbm> bye [14:25] <JaneMarple9> yes expie [14:25] <Moriah> Later DD18 [14:25] <dumbleydore18> talk to you tomorrow! [14:25] <futureweasley> bye dd18 [14:25] <Pleshette> Bye DD18 [14:25] <Aislinn> and yet karkas was wearing it, not that it did him any good [14:25] <Expelliarmas> bye dd18 [14:25] * cloudpic waves farewell to dd [14:25] <JaneMarple9> and the goblin made tiare of book 6 too [14:25] <dumbleydore18> i'll be ready for the P3 chat [14:25] <JaneMarple9> bye dumbley! [14:25] <Spectre> maybe, Durmstrang is also located somewhere around those giant-inhabited places? [14:25] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder if there is a magical element attendant with the helmet [14:25] * dumbleydore18 left #lounge [] [14:25] <cloudpic> It's another way Jo is reminding us of Goblins again! [14:25] <ProngsPatronus> it would be a status symbol--giants aren't allowed to have wands, are they? [14:26] <JaneMarple9> yes cloud - she keeps doing them sort of things [14:26] <cloudpic> No, they're not, Prongs [14:26] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, they keep being brought up [14:26] <JaneMarple9> I thing a giant with a wand -that would be rather frightening!! [14:26] <Expelliarmas> What about the Roll of dragon skin? (Room 18–The Atrium)** [14:26] <cloudpic> The war helmet would be something the giants could relate to [14:26] <Moriah> Oh, I've got to run too. It's been fun! [14:26] <Pleshette> probably not Prongs which is why they might resent wizards using magic around them [14:26] <cbm> I do not think the one on the cover is big enough [14:26] * cloudpic waves goodbye to Moriah [14:26] <JaneMarple9> bye moriah [14:26] * Moriah has quit [Bye] [14:26] <futureweasley> see you Moriah [14:27] <Pleshette> Bye Moriah! [14:27] <cloudpic> Isn't dragon skin what the students' protective gloves are made from? [14:27] <JaneMarple9> interesting [14:27] <Pleshette> that dragon skin/blood connection again [14:27] <futureweasley> it all sounds like tools to prepare for battle [14:27] <JaneMarple9> yes it is [14:27] <futureweasley> helmet, armor [14:27] <Spectre> and a torch [14:27] <cloudpic> Again, something valuable and hard to come by with a practical use [14:27] <JaneMarple9> and the twins wear dragon hide clothers at the end of book 5 [14:27] <futureweasley> DD could have been trying to send a gentle message to the gurg (or whatever the leader is called) [14:28] <Spectre> And the defensive hats the twins manufactured in HBP [14:28] <JaneMarple9> thats interesting future [14:28] <Expelliarmas> you know, gurg is too close to "gag" [14:28] <cloudpic> So it's likely expensive... weren't the twins showing off with that, Jane? [14:28] <JaneMarple9> perhaps yes [14:28] <futureweasley> like, we are preparing for battle, and we are giving you gifts to do the same [14:28] <Expelliarmas> Why was McNair, who previously worked at executing dangerous creatures, sent as a Death Eater emissary as opposed to any other in the DE camp? (Chamber 007).** [14:28] <Pleshette> snort (Expie) [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> these are all signs of civilisation [14:28] <Aislinn> he thinks like a giant [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> the presents [14:29] <cloudpic> He seemed a bit nuts... and perhaps that was needed? [14:29] <cloudpic> Yes, Prongs they are [14:29] <Aislinn> enjoys violence like they do [14:29] <JaneMarple9> to show he is still on voldies side [14:29] <Spectre> MacNair has a thing against Hagrid... [14:29] <JaneMarple9> and a reminder [14:29] <cloudpic> He's also probably expendable [14:29] <futureweasley> maybe because he's the ugliest DE. I mean, they would have flattened pretty Lucius [14:29] <Pleshette> He has a lot in common with the Gurg [14:29] <Aislinn> probably so, cloudpic, good point [14:29] <cloudpic> Ooo, again, Spectre! that's right [14:29] <JaneMarple9> yes macnair doesn't like hagrid [14:29] <Expelliarmas> I found it amazing the DEs, who are pure blood maniacs, would need to reach out to giants [14:29] <Pleshette> lol future [14:30] <Aislinn> I think that LV would see the giants just as a tool, like an attack dog, expie [14:30] <Expelliarmas> MacNair also loves brutality, so he would really get the giants [14:30] <Spectre> Lucius probably knew that Hagrid was sent to the mission, so MacNair was chosen [14:30] <cbm> expe, they may spout a pure blood mantra, but they are about power 1st and foremost [14:30] <cloudpic> Can't you see it: Voldie: "Who'd like to go visit giants?" [14:30] <JaneMarple9> smile [14:30] <cloudpic> McNair: "Me! Me! [14:30] <Expelliarmas> hahaha, cloudpic [14:30] <JaneMarple9> how many friend he'd have then? [14:31] <futureweasley> Macnair: "Ooh, ooh, (grunt, grunt)" [14:31] <cloudpic> So true, Expie... could relate [14:31] <ProngsPatronus> I think that McNair would have "street cred" with the giants, because of that axe [14:31] <cloudpic> LOL future [14:31] <cloudpic> ROTFL, Prongs! [14:31] <futureweasley> street cred...I love that [14:31] <Spectre> Why wouldn't Hagrid let Madame Maxime attack the DEs though? She's a powerful enough witch to be a Headmistress of a prominent magical school... [14:31] <Expelliarmas> yes, MacNair rolling with the boys getting his street creds with his axe [14:32] <cloudpic> Weren't they under orders to stay undercover? [14:32] <JaneMarple9> he's protective of her [14:32] <JaneMarple9> they were cloud [14:32] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid says he and Madame Maxime were being tailed by someone of the Ministry. Any idea who that might have been and how they actually managed to shake them off? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [14:32] <cloudpic> He did say she saved him [14:32] <futureweasley> MacNair: head full of rocks. Giants: kill each other with rocks. I see the connection [14:32] <JaneMarple9> macnair [14:32] <Spectre> tailed by someone from the ministry... MacNair. Two agendas represented by one man smile [14:32] <JaneMarple9> or one of umbridge's minions [14:32] <cbm> Maybe it was umbridge out on her own [14:32] <cloudpic> Hope it wasn't Percy [14:33] <Pleshette> Not sure on that...there were more than one DE sent [14:33] <cloudpic> Hagrid would have likely recognized Percy, so not likely. [14:33] <Pleshette> I can't imagine Dolores traipsing through the mountains after Hagrid and Maxime though [14:34] <futureweasley> sorry guys, we are having some "connection" issues today [14:34] <JaneMarple9> no she was at school [14:34] <cbm> Cloudpic, Percy would do it if fudge asked him to [14:34] <Pleshette> She was at Hogwarts anyway [14:34] <Aislinn> it seems likely that they would have sent an Auror to tail Hagrid - that's who was tailing DD the next year [14:34] <JaneMarple9> keeping the school in order [14:34] * cloudpic wonders if giants frighten [14:34] <cloudpic> snuffles [14:34] <Spectre> The Ministry tailing someone in a foreign country... is there some kind of "Auror Interpol" in the magical world? [14:34] <JaneMarple9> silly snuffles! smile [14:34] <cloudpic> No that Pink would stand out in the wilderness [14:35] <Pleshette> Can you imagine her trying to keep up withthose two? [14:35] <cbm> I think the Toad would stand out anywhere! [14:35] <JaneMarple9> it probably would Cloud! [14:35] <Expelliarmas> I think the Toad would be hard to spot, seeing how short it is [14:35] <cloudpic> Who else do we know in the Ministry? [14:35] <Spectre> Dawlish [14:35] <JaneMarple9> malfoy [14:35] <Spectre> Savage [14:35] <JaneMarple9> scrimgeour [14:35] <Spectre> Fudge biggrin [14:35] <cbm> I think the pink makes up for the shortness [14:35] * cloudpic can't get used to Expie's use of the neuter pronoun for Dolores [14:35] <Expelliarmas> Portkey couldn't be used to visit the giants because the Ministry would be watching. So they can monitor all portkeys somehow? (Chamber 88) [14:35] <JaneMarple9> fudge yes [14:36] <futureweasley> you have to authorize a Portkey [14:36] * Expelliarmas can't blame either gender for the Toad [14:36] <futureweasley> through the ministry [14:36] <cloudpic> Evidently...they seem to have magical dectors of all sorts (like the sneakoscopes, etc.) [14:36] * ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [14:36] <futureweasley> I think there is something in the magic of a portkey that is automatically registered with the ministry [14:36] <cloudpic> W/B Prongs [14:36] <ProngsPatronus> yay! thanks [14:36] <cloudpic> Like the prophecies maybe, future? [14:36] <Spectre> It would probably suspicious if someone used a Portkey and disappeared from England [14:36] <JaneMarple9> welcome back prongs smile [14:37] <cbm> I think so, but then how does DD create one later on, unless they can only monitor the endpoints [14:37] <futureweasley> yes, cloudpic [14:37] <futureweasley> the charm that is used on the Portkeys is possibly monitored somehow [14:37] <cloudpic> Well, maybe at that point it didn't matter if they "sensed" it? [14:37] <Expelliarmas> I think the MoM would have been on the lookout for any signs of portkey usage in and around hogwarts or hogsmeade [14:37] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:37] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:37] <cloudpic> Yeah... could have been a special effort, Expie [14:37] <JaneMarple9> do you think hagrid or maxime used portkeys to get to the giants? [14:37] <ProngsPatronus> then why didn't they know about the Triwizard Cup? [14:38] <Spectre> no [14:38] <cloudpic> They weren't allowed to, Jane [14:38] <cbm> Because they ignored it [14:38] <Spectre> they wouldn't "run from trolls" or "have a fight with a vampire" then [14:38] <Expelliarmas> I think the magic registers when it gets used. In that case, the Cup was deep inside a maze where no one could see what was happening [14:38] <JaneMarple9> good point smile [14:38] <cbm> Lucius probably told them to ignore it [14:38] <cloudpic> That was before Umbridge and Fudge were so paranoid about Dumbledore's "army" [14:38] <futureweasley> that's my thought, too, Expie [14:38] <futureweasley> I agree [14:39] <Spectre> The monitoring issue is very loose... I still wonder how the Ministry can detect if magic is done in presence of Muggles [14:39] <Expelliarmas> that's true, cloudpic, they might have thought it was part of the competition [14:39] <Aislinn> I agree, spectre - the monitoring seems quite loose [14:39] * Expelliarmas thinks Jo needs to write a separate book to 'splain all these technical aspects [14:39] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid's mother; another variation of the “abandoned by parent” motif in these books. Why do you think Jo has Hagrid’s mother abandoning him and his father dying when Hagrid is 11? (Chamber 88) [14:39] * cloudpic pictures a ministry guard sleeping in front of a magical monitor screen... [14:39] <Pleshette> Not to jump ahead but I wonder how DD was able to have one in his office (when he sends the Weasleys and harry to GP) [14:39] <JaneMarple9> only one book expie? smile [14:39] <ProngsPatronus> seems to me graft and corruption are rife--maybe someone was paid to look the other way? [14:40] <JaneMarple9> to mirror harry's life [14:40] <cbm> bye everyone, I am going to go watch the OotP trailer, oops, I mean spiderman III bye [14:40] <Aislinn> bye cbm [14:40] <cloudpic> Hagrid himself said it seemed to link him powerfully to Harry [14:40] <Pleshette> Oo lucky you cbm! [14:40] <JaneMarple9> bye cbm! [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> bye, cbm [14:40] * cloudpic waves to cbm [14:40] <Pleshette> Bye! [14:40] * cbm has quit [Bye] [14:40] <Expelliarmas> bye, cbm [14:40] <Spectre> bye cbm [14:40] * MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [14:40] <Pleshette> Hi Mafalda! [14:40] <Aislinn> pleshette - I think dd probably made one just like he did at the end of the book [14:40] <Sophia40> I think the portkey in the maze was only just sopposed to bring them out of the maze but was subverted by Crouch jr [14:40] <futureweasley> Jo has personally been affected by the lost of her mother...I think that plays very deeply into the "mommy issues" her characters have [14:40] <JaneMarple9> hi malafada [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is to mirror his enemy at school, Tom Riddle [14:40] <Aislinn> they probably don't monitor magic at the school at all, as there is magic going on there all the time [14:40] <MafaldaWeasley> hello guys! Sorry i'm very late [14:41] <cloudpic> Hagrid's being orphaned sets up that strong connection he has to Dumbledore too [14:41] <Spectre> hi Mafalda [14:41] <Pleshette> Yes...so that wouldn't register with the MoM then? [14:41] <ProngsPatronus> hay, mafalda [14:41] <JaneMarple9> still got 20 minutes smile [14:41] <Aislinn> right [14:41] <Spectre> Hagrid had no home to come back to [14:41] <Expelliarmas> It's not just missing moms, it's also dads; look at Tom Riddle, Jr. [14:41] <JaneMarple9> true expie [14:41] <futureweasley> doesn't it all start with the mom, though? [14:41] <cloudpic> Like Harry (and Tom Riddle and Filch) Hogwarts is Hagrid's home [14:41] <Expelliarmas> We have 5 characters with missing parents: Harry, Tom, Jr., Hagrid, Luna, and Neville [14:42] <futureweasley> choses that the moms make [14:42] <Spectre> Luna at least has a father [14:42] <futureweasley> yes, that's a lot of loss [14:42] <Expelliarmas> I know Neville's parents aren't dead, but they aren't available either [14:42] <Aislinn> yes, she really seems to be exploring the effects of broken families [14:42] <ProngsPatronus> I wouldn't say that--Hagrid's father is crucial to his sunny outlook on life [14:42] <MafaldaWeasley> :) hello all! I think the mirror shows all your enemies, but the ones closer to you appear clearly [14:42] <JaneMarple9> and neville has his parents...but they don't know him sad [14:42] <Pleshette> It shows that some can have similar circumstances in their lives, but ultimately it's the choices those characters make as to the kink of person they become [14:42] <ProngsPatronus> exactly, pleshette [14:42] <Aislinn> yes, pleshette [14:43] <cloudpic> Hagrid seems to miss his father still... but in this chapter was OK with his mother's loss or wanted to appear so [14:43] <MafaldaWeasley> I thought Alice recognaized him at some level [14:43] <Spectre> interesting, though off topic... where was Neville when Bella & Co Crucioed his parents? [14:43] <futureweasley> I think Harry, Luna, Hagrid and Neville are all like phoenixes. Like a phoenix would be a metaphor for their circumstance...rising out of the ashes and reborn [14:43] <MafaldaWeasley> Spectre I think about it all the time hahha [14:43] <JaneMarple9> yes malafada....thats next week ! smile [14:43] <MafaldaWeasley> ah sorry jane [14:43] <cloudpic> Yes, Pleshette, it points up "blame the parents" or "blame circumstance" is lame after a while [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> that is well said, future [14:44] <Pleshette> I like that future smile [14:44] <futureweasley> (smile) [14:44] <cloudpic> Beautiful! [14:44] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [14:44] <Pleshette> It's been great chatting but I have to run [14:44] <Spectre> hm... does Sirius count as parentless, running away from home at 16? [14:44] <Pleshette> Until next week... [14:45] <Expelliarmas> Meanwhile, we have people like Draco with both parents who are just nasty. [14:45] * cloudpic waves to Pleshette [14:45] <ProngsPatronus> bye, pleshette [14:45] <Spectre> bye Pleshette [14:45] <MafaldaWeasley> bye pleshette [14:45] <Expelliarmas> What do you think of Toady's nighttime visit? Does she have any idea where Hagrid was? Was she sent there on Ministry orders or is she just being a nosy toad? (Room 18–The Atrium) [14:45] <JaneMarple9> good point spectre [14:45] * Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:45] <cloudpic> That so creeped me out... her showing up like that! [14:45] <JaneMarple9> it was spooky [14:45] <cloudpic> They hadn't even had a chance to give poor Hagrid a "heads up" about her [14:46] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she has a good idea bout Hagrid... [14:46] <JaneMarple9> the way she just appeared as soon as hagrid got there [14:46] <JaneMarple9> oh she must had malafada [14:46] <cloudpic> It's like she was lying in wait for him... so she could pounce! [14:46] <JaneMarple9> there was too many hidden threats! [14:46] <Spectre> someone probably informed her about Hagrid's arrival [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> I think Hagrid was identified to her before she came to Hogwarts--as a person to rid the school of [14:46] <cloudpic> Yes, the Ministry sure has had a history of nastiness directed at Hagrid [14:46] <cloudpic> And she has especial fears of half-breeds. [14:47] <MafaldaWeasley> She is totally focused on purifing the wizards on a level.. [14:47] <JaneMarple9> probably filch? [14:47] <ProngsPatronus> he is a known Dumbledore supporter [14:47] <MafaldaWeasley> yes cloudpic [14:47] <JaneMarple9> do you think filch saw he return? [14:47] <cloudpic> Oh, Jane, I'll be you're right... he must have told her when he saw the lights! [14:47] <JaneMarple9> he's very pally with umbridge [14:47] <Expelliarmas> Well, there should be a dossier on Hagrid at the MoM, remember he was expelled in his 3rd year due to a death at the school [14:47] <Spectre> Or, maybe, the teachers' arrivals are detected in some way at Hogwarts? [14:47] <JaneMarple9> yes expie [14:47] <cloudpic> And his "half-giant" status was "outed" by Rita Skeeter [14:48] <cloudpic> If Hermione noticed the lights at the hut, others may have. [14:48] <JaneMarple9> ah - perhaps Hagrid sent a message to dumbledore that he was back [14:48] <Expelliarmas> Umbridge alludes to mountain scenery when she is questioning Hagrid about where he has been. I think we can agree with Harry that she knows, but how? Might McNair informed the Ministry in some way? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [14:48] <MafaldaWeasley> and he was a guard at Hogwarts. i think that every member of the staff must have a file so that they can assure they are good people, but I believe Hagrid being there was all DD's doing, since not many knew he was half-gigant [14:48] <JaneMarple9> just as tonks sent a message to the school aboutharry in book 6 [14:48] <Spectre> He might of course [14:48] <cloudpic> O, yes, I'd forgotten that. I remember thinking at the time she was a DE or something.. don't think so now [14:49] <cloudpic> (first read then) [14:49] <JaneMarple9> still not sure of tonks smile [14:49] <cloudpic> Well, the DE's are connected to Malfoy Sr. and he's connected to the Ministry and Fudge and that takes us to the Toad [14:50] <Expelliarmas> I think the Toad got info through Lucius [14:50] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Ministry has a way to get to know about the people who travells and they could have somebody watching or tailing Hagrid and DD [14:50] <JaneMarple9> definately expie [14:50] <Expelliarmas> not directly, but the implications are there [14:50] <Spectre> Draco, maybe? [14:50] <cloudpic> Hagrid said the Ministry had someone following them until the shook off the tail [14:51] <MafaldaWeasley> yes [14:51] <Spectre> He also hinted that he knew something about Hagrid's mission [14:51] <cloudpic> LOL... maybe it was a House Elf [14:51] <Expelliarmas> I also think when Hagrid did not show up, the Ministry put a BOLO for him (be on the lookout) [14:51] <JaneMarple9> yes expie [14:51] <Expelliarmas> Is the Toad really that stupid? She noticed the three sets of footprints heading only one direction, but these students are magical. She has to know they can hide more effectively than just under furniture. Is there another reason the Trio was not found in Hagrid’s hut? (Chamber 29) [14:51] <JaneMarple9> very possible [14:51] <cloudpic> Or Snape snitched. [14:51] <JaneMarple9> shes not the brightest is umbridge [14:51] * Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:52] <JaneMarple9> she can be maliculipated by fudge [14:52] <Expelliarmas> Oh, I think the Toad isn't that dumb either; it is quite Machiavellian [14:52] * ProngsPatronus has quit [Bye] [14:52] <Spectre> she wasn't too good a witch to detect invisibility, I think [14:52] <cloudpic> You don't have to be brilliant to have evil, wily ways. [14:52] <JaneMarple9> yes spectre [14:52] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree cloudpic [14:52] <cloudpic> No where near as talented in witchcraft as others [14:53] <Expelliarmas> Last question: peeps! [14:53] <Expelliarmas> Does the Toad keep an eye this stringent on everyone this close to Dumbledore? Is the Toad’s attention to Snape suggestive of where his loyalties lie? (Chamber 29)** [14:53] <cloudpic> awwwww [14:54] <JaneMarple9> she's not sure on snape's loyalties [14:54] <JaneMarple9> like us all! [14:54] <cloudpic> I think Umbridge's first and main target is Harry... with Dumbledore a close second. [14:54] <Spectre> She keeps an eye on any "dubious" Dumbledore's employees [14:54] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she was after everybody she felt could be hiding something for DD. Snape... [14:54] <Expelliarmas> No, I think this is more suggestive of the suspicions of the Ministry/Lucius [14:54] <Sophia40> No One is sure on Snapes loyalties hahahah [14:54] <JaneMarple9> well we aren't! [14:55] * cloudpic isn't sure Snape is sure [14:55] <Spectre> And there are more than enough - a former Death Eater, another Death Eater imposting a retired heavily injured auror, a half-giant, a werewolf, then a centaur [14:55] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [14:55] <cloudpic> But the Toad is naturally suspicious it seems [14:55] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm 'sure' about the git hahaha okay I'll shut up biggrin [14:56] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [14:56] <MafaldaWeasley> maybe she got susicious because Snape is and occlumens and she could have tried to read him... [14:56] <Spectre> Umbridge is determined to use anything she can find to undermine Dumbledore's authority [14:56] <cloudpic> shifts uneasily If I were Umbridge I'd be fearful of the more powerful wizards at Hogwarts in any case... and we have to grant Snape's power [14:56] <Spectre> Umbridge a Legilimens? I doubt she has any skills in that [14:56] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Spectre...I agree with you [14:56] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't doubt [14:56] <JaneMarple9> no way [14:56] <Spectre> She wouldn't resort to Veritaserum if she was a Legilimens [14:57] <Expelliarmas> No, I think the Toad was told by Lucius that Snape is a great guy, no grooming talent, but a great guy. But the teachers have not taken to the Toad, so it has to figure out whether Snape is an ally or not. [14:57] <JaneMarple9> unless she did veritserum [14:57] <MafaldaWeasley> Veritaserum is easier than reading a teens mid. The amount of useless info she would get... [14:57] <MafaldaWeasley> mind it was [14:58] <ProngsPatronus> I think she is suspicious of everyone--I don't think she has much magical ability [14:58] <cloudpic> If she messed with Snape, no matter what his loyalties, she'd be squashed. [14:58] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree cp [14:58] <ProngsPatronus> so she would want to have a means to control those who do [14:58] <cloudpic> He's not the most mild mannered tolerant sort [14:58] <cloudpic> That's why she's looking for potential things to use against him... he's stronger than she [14:58] <JaneMarple9> smile that doesn't really desribe snape! [14:59] <cloudpic> She seems to be constantly looking for things to use against people. [14:59] <Spectre> Snape would give some Neville's potion to the Toad, and she would turn into a tadpole biggrin [14:59] <futureweasley> well, this was a great chat everyone! (hugs) [14:59] <Expelliarmas> I think the Toad thought Snape might be an ally [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> group hug! [14:59] <futureweasley> hope you can make it back tomorrow [14:59] <cloudpic> Bye everyone! Happy Mother's Day to the U.S. moms! [14:59] <MafaldaWeasley> awww [14:59] <MafaldaWeasley> bye guys!! [14:59] <MafaldaWeasley> :) [14:59] <cloudpic> ((hugs)) [14:59] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:59] * futureweasley gathers the chatters for a group hug [14:59] <Expelliarmas> bye guys! [14:59] <Spectre> hugs to all smile [14:59] * JaneMarple9 prepares for the hugs! [14:59] * cloudpic has quit [Bye] [14:59] <Expelliarmas> For the moms out there, Happy Mother's Day [14:59] * MafaldaWeasley left #lounge [] [14:59] <JaneMarple9> ((((everybody))))) [15:00] <JaneMarple9> and happy mothers day to mothers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:00] <Sophia40> bye all thanks for letting me lurk today hahahaha [15:00] <JaneMarple9> back tomorrow - can't wait! [15:00] <Spectre> goodbye! [15:00] *** Spectre has quit [Bye] [15:00] <futureweasley> bye all [15:00] <futureweasley> bye all [15:00] * JaneMarple9 waves to everyone

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