ReadingGroup Corner Booth Transcript: Jun 16, 2007, Order of the Phoenix, chapters 29-30 |
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[12:01] <MrMcGonagall> How's everyone doing today? [12:01] <Poet> terrific [12:02] *** bookworm1102 has quit [Bye] [12:02] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [12:02] <MrMcGonagall> It's finally stopped raining here in Oklahoma. [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> Although there's still a chance in the forecast for today and tomorrow [12:03] <Poet> Oh? It hasn't rained recently here, but maybe I always miss it [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> We've had a lot of rain the past week. [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> Lots of flooding in low-lying areas. [12:04] <Poet> Yikes [12:04] <Poet> It's nice to see the rivers full though [12:04] <Poet> Just not nice for those near them [12:05] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, our lakes in Oklahoma needed replenishing. [12:05] *** bookworm1102 left #lounge [] [12:05] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:06] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Expie! [12:06] <Poet> Always nice to not be under grass-fire "watches" when 4th of July rolls around [12:06] <MrMcGonagall> bookworm1102 seems to be having trouble connecting. [12:06] <Expelliarmas> 'ello peeps! [12:06] <MrMcGonagall> Expie's going all cockney on us. LOL [12:07] <Expelliarmas> just practicing .... [12:07] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [12:07] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:07] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, bemused! [12:07] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [12:07] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Spectre! [12:08] <bemused> Hello! [12:08] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [12:09] *** bookworm1102 has quit [Bye] [12:09] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [12:09] <Poet> Hi SoonerGryffindor [12:09] <MrMcGonagall> We have our Sooner! [12:09] *** bookworm1102 has quit [Bye] [12:10] <Spectre> hi all, now that I have a voice :) [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> OK, booth should be working properly now! LOL [12:10] *** SapphireFalcon has joined #lounge [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry guys [12:10] <mdbennett> hello? [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> we should all be able to talk now [12:10] <mdbennett> that's better...thankyou...I was getting nervous [12:11] <Poet> Sorry, I had no idea the booth was on moderate. So sorry. [12:11] <Expelliarmas> LOL!!! [12:11] <SapphireFalcon> Hi [12:11] <Spectre> just back from my gran, and just in time for the chat. Perfect :D [12:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hahhaa, I tried to type before I modded up, so when the need voice message popped up, I knew what had gone wrong [12:12] * Poet goes off to iron her hands [12:12] <mdbennett> lol [12:12] <SapphireFalcon> What did Poet do? [12:12] <Poet> Nothing. I should have realized you all couldn't talk. [12:12] *** MrMcGonagall has quit [Bye] [12:12] <SapphireFalcon> bye [12:13] <Poet> It never crossed my mind, since we don't start the formal discussion until 15 after [12:13] *** princessmela has joined #lounge [12:13] * Poet feels like Winky right now. [12:13] <SapphireFalcon> Oh, that's why noone is making sense? [12:13] * Expelliarmas wonders if Poet has been hitting the butterbeer [12:14] <Poet> It's why no one but the mods were able to talk [12:14] * Poet starts in on her 6th bottle .... [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> its okay Poet [12:14] <SapphireFalcon> Let's all cut back on the firewhiskey people lol [12:14] * SoonerGryffindor thinks that Poet and Mr McGonagall need to go sit in a corner till the butterbeer wears off [12:15] <Poet> And get more sleep ;) I've had 4 hours [12:15] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [12:15] <Poet> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [12:15] <Poet> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to send you a private chat message. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the message that has been sent to you by that mod. [12:15] <Poet> You won't be able to reply to that message, but if you could just say something like "Poet, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:15] *** SueDNim has joined #lounge [12:16] <Poet> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:16] *** becky920 has joined #lounge [12:16] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry’s troubled by what he saw in the Pensieve. The Twins offer a diversion so he can chat with Sirius in the Toad’s fire. Harry gets career advice from McGonagall with a lot of interference from the Toad. Snape ignores Harry–sort of. Harry talks to Sirius and Lupin about that memory. The Twins get caught and leave Hogwarts for good.! [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> The Twins inspired a gaggle of imitators and sold quite a few of Skiving Snackboxes. Harry won’t ask Snape for Occlumency lessons. Harry confesses he funded the Twins. The teachers won’t help the Toad. The big final Quidditch match arrives, but we don’t see it. Instead, we meet Grawp. Hagrid thinks he’s about to be sacked and wants the Trio to teach Grawp English. The Gryffindors win the Quidditch cup. Weasley is our king. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Thanks to Room 18 and Chamber 88 for the introduction. Ready? Good, let’s chat about Chapters 29 and 30. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Why was Harry so upset at James’ behavior? [12:16] <Spectre> because he thought his father was a perfect man [12:16] <becky920> He's been told he's like his Dad... all of a sudden, that's not a compliment anymore [12:16] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he just saw something that seemed to confirm everything Snape had always told him about his father. [12:17] <bemused> Because he'd been told so often that James was perfect, and he idealises him [12:17] <SueDNim> Nobody likes to find that his idol has feet of clay [12:17] <SoonerGryffindor> very good analogy Sue [12:17] <SueDNim> and it gives credence to Snape's hatred of James, which is hard for Harry to swallow [12:17] <SueDNim> thanks Sooner :) [12:17] <Poet> He's never seen his Dad before in such detail. It wasn't a good memory to have as his first big one [12:17] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, anything that shows to Harry that Snape was right bothers him [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> The pendulum has swung the other way for Harry's view of his dad. [12:18] <becky920> And all of a sudden... he sympathizes with Snape, which is weird, too [12:18] <Spectre> Harry sees his father as Malfoy-like bully... [12:18] <mdbennett> it also is a shock when you think your parents could be flawed [12:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that because he was orphaned so young, Harry has never seen either of his parents as "real people" [12:18] <SueDNim> Right, becky, that must have been uncomfortable in the extreme [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, this was the "knocked off the pedestal" moment. [12:18] <MrMcGonagall> Which needed to happen. [12:18] <bemused> It's also come rather late to Harry and very suddenly [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> he finally realizes that his father was just as flawed as anybody else [12:19] <Poet> Yes, exactly. Harry himself seems to forget the times that he's acted like his Dad did in the memory [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Sooner, it would be tough growing up only ever being told stories about your father. [12:19] <bemused> most of us grow gradually into the realisation that our parents aren't perfect [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, Poet. [12:19] <SapphireFalcon> And through the eyes of somone like Snape too. [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, bemused, this came as a bit of a shock to Harry. [12:19] <Poet> We see the world in more blacks and white when we're younger - either love or hate others [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Sudden revelation [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> And it had to be doubly worse because at that moment, Harry felt more akin to Snape than he did James [12:20] <SapphireFalcon> that can't have helped. [12:20] <SoonerGryffindor> How will learning James was not perfect help Harry mature? [12:20] <MrMcGonagall> It certainly helps Harry learn something about human nature. [12:20] <Spectre> he'll take all the talks "you're like your father" with a pinch of salt now [12:21] <Poet> He has to forgive and forget to be able to fully love his Dad again. I hope that forgiveness carries over to others [12:21] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [12:21] <Expelliarmas> Learning your parents are only human is a step in the maturation process [12:21] <mdbennett> He might be more mindful of his own attitudes toward Snape [12:21] <SapphireFalcon> He sees that everyone has faults, including his father and himself. [12:21] <SueDNim> It makes him realize he has it within him to be a better man than his father was. He can't imagine himself behaving the way he sees James do. [12:21] <bookworm1102> hey guys [12:21] <Poet> both great points [12:21] <bemused> It would be nice if he was, mdbennett, but he's shown no sign of it yet [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> wb bookworm [12:21] * Poet is glad bookworm is back [12:22] <bookworm1102> thanks poet [12:22] <SueDNim> But perhaps the seeds have been sown [12:22] <becky920> I think it'll help him keep Sirius and Lupin in perspective, too [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of last question: How will learning James was not perfect help Harry mature? [12:22] <Expelliarmas> Hmmm, Harry will always despise Snape on a personal level [12:22] <SapphireFalcon> I hope so SueDNim [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it helps immensely. Things like that make us take a harder look at ourselves and the things that we value [12:23] <bemused> But Expie - maybe he shouldn't. [12:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry did a lot of reflection during that time [12:23] <bookworm1102> maybe now he relizes that he didnt have to be jelous of ron when h e became prefect [12:23] <becky920> Nobody is perfectly wonderful all of the time -- that's an important lesson to learn [12:23] <SueDNim> It also makes Harry understand that he himself will outgrow his own faults and shortcomings, as Sirius tells him James did. [12:23] <NYBookworm> I think it will help him to see that you don't always have to be the best at something to be respected? [12:23] <bemused> everything in this scene seemed to be leading towards a better understanding, but it never came [12:23] <SapphireFalcon> Snape has issues of his own bemused [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> When you compare James’ behavior in the Pensieve with the running feud between Harry and Draco Malfoy, whose behavior is worse? Feel free to include what you know from HBP if it helps. [12:24] <SapphireFalcon> I don't quite get this question. [12:24] <becky920> Hard to say. [12:24] <Poet> I must argee bemused. He feels sympathy for Tom Riddle Jr after watching scenes in a pensieve the following year. Maybe he can feel some for Snape and even Draco [12:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its too hard to judge for sure because this was just one scene [12:24] <SueDNim> well, Harry does finally feel pity for Draco, and James probably never did for Snape [12:24] <Expelliarmas> Harry does not see the comparison between his own situation with Draco and what James/Snape had going [12:24] <bemused> James's behaviour was more like Draco's because he picks on someone who, at that moment, isn't aware of him. I don't think Harry ever does that [12:24] <bookworm1102> i think maybe james b/c didn't he go out of his way to make snape misrable [12:24] <Poet> Harry's is not as bad as Draco's however.... [12:24] <becky920> Snape doesn't seem to be instigating things with James the way Harry is with Draco [12:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the intent of the question is to look at Harry/Draco as Snape/James [12:25] <becky920> I mean, Draco is with Harry -- sorry [12:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I see that Harry=Snape and Draco = James to a certain extent [12:25] <Poet> Harry does use some nasty hexes in HBP [12:25] <Expelliarmas> If Harry's kids were to only see his Sectumsempra fight with Draco, without seeing his remorse, they might think the worse of Harry as well [12:25] <SueDNim> I think the Harry/Draco feud mirrors the James/Snape feud almost exactly [12:25] <bookworm1102> i agree sooner [12:25] <SueDNim> until we reach HBP, when the dynamics change [12:25] <Poet> yep Expelliarmas [12:25] <Spectre> Harry<>Snape because Harry has friends, and Snape didn't [12:25] <mdbennett> I think os too Sue [12:26] <NYBookworm> Harry=Snape and Draco = James I agree with that assessment as it fits their characters well [12:26] <Expelliarmas> To some extent, Sooner, but Harry is not an unpopular guy at school [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, if someone had only ever seen sectumsempra, they would have thought Harry was a horrible person [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> there are times when Harry is an outcast though [12:26] <bemused> That's true, Expie - but James obviusly didn't feel remorse because he went on doing it [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> he entire 5th year [12:26] <becky920> I think James and Sirius, to a certain extent, have created the awful teacher that Snape is, where Harry has learned to let Draco's taunts bounce off him [12:26] <Spectre> Harry used Sectumsempra without knowing its effects [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> his second year [12:26] <Poet> There are also incidences of Harry and his friends hexing Malfoy and his friends on the train. If someone were to see that without knowing about what had happened that school year... [12:26] <SueDNim> Right, Sooner, and that gives Harry the ability (whether he uses it or not) to empathize with Snape [12:26] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [12:26] <Spectre> hi Prongs [12:26] <SoonerGryffindor> also, all of the time prior to gonig to Hogwarts. Harry did not have one single friend thanks to Dudley [12:27] <bookworm1102> I dont rember but did draco go out of his way to make harry misreble [12:27] <Expelliarmas> true, Spectre, but if his kids were to only see that memory, without knowing anything else, they would come away thinking the worse [12:27] <ProngsPatronus> hiya [12:27] <Poet> hey [12:27] <bookworm1102> hi [12:27] *** paudie has joined #lounge [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> so I think that Harry knows very well what it is like to be alone and friendless and be picked on [12:27] <SapphireFalcon> Hi [12:27] <becky920> true [12:27] <bemused> Yes, Sooner, he does [12:27] <paudie> hi everyone [12:27] <Poet> Interesting that Harry ends up using the same Levicorpus spell as his dad [12:27] <SapphireFalcon> Hi Paudie [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> Why does Harry see Ginny in a new light at the library? [12:27] <Spectre> also, James<>Malfoy because Marauders are a group of friends, and Crabbe and Goyle are sidekicks [12:27] <Poet> or that his dad and Sirius were going to use [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Can I just say that chocolate in the library is one of my favorite scenes ever? [12:28] <becky920> She doesn't immediately shoot down the idea [12:28] <bemused> Because she's beginning to take the initiative [12:28] <NYBookworm> He's finally seeing her as her and not Ron's little sister [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly NYB [12:28] <mdbennett> When she helps him..she is like one of the gang [12:28] *** princessmela has quit [Bye] [12:28] <bookworm1102> b/c there starting to become better friends [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Ginny is the only one who "gets him" at this point in time [12:28] <Expelliarmas> He's seeing her more in light of the Twins' rebel style as opposed to the quiet mouse [12:28] <Poet> yeah, an equal, with similar ideas and similar reactions [12:28] <SapphireFalcon> Because she's been able to become less uptight [12:29] <SueDNim> It might be the first time he sees her as a really strong person because of her comment about thinking anything's possible after [12:29] <SoonerGryffindor> she knew something was wrong and was able to get to the bottom of it [12:29] <SueDNim> growing up with Fred and George [12:29] <mdbennett> we see she has some of the "twins" in her [12:29] *** princessmela has joined #lounge [12:29] <bookworm1102> and that shes not the 10 yr old that used to have a major crush on him anymore [12:29] <SueDNim> She does seem, at that moment, to be the only one who can comfort him [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> she finally becomes a confidante. Harry actually feels more comfortable talking about his feelins with her than he does with Ron and Hermione [12:30] <SapphireFalcon> Ginny has grown up a lot since her first year. [12:30] <bookworm1102> agreed sue and shes the only who will listen to him [12:30] <SueDNim> good point [12:30] <mdbennett> she represents family too [12:30] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [12:30] <princessmela> okay now it's letting me type! [12:30] <princessmela> yay! [12:30] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [12:30] <Poet> she thinks that "anything is possible" [12:30] * SoonerGryffindor fangirls Ginny [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Why was Madam Pince so upset with them having chocolate in the library? [12:31] <ProngsPatronus> I think that a lot of his contact with ginny at hogwarts has been connected to danger [12:31] <bookworm1102> no food in the libaray [12:31] <Poet> Madam Pince's whole world is that library [12:31] <SapphireFalcon> It would stain the books [12:31] <princessmela> Chocolate probably gets in the books and it's hard to get out [12:31] <mdbennett> they looked like they were having too much fun [12:31] <SapphireFalcon> gasp [12:31] <bemused> Makes a mess of the books [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant think of any other time food has been in the library [12:31] <ProngsPatronus> because she is a typical librarian, that's why! [12:31] <bookworm1102> might mess up her prescous books [12:31] <huebbe> disrespectful of the books, as is writing in them [12:31] <SueDNim> Because she a tight-*bleeped* old librarian who values books more than people? [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Sue [12:31] <NYBookworm> have to go- bye [12:31] <SapphireFalcon> Pince has a point [12:31] <Poet> Food attracts rats and pests. Hogwarts is a very old school and you have to keep on top of cleanliness [12:32] *** NYBookworm left #lounge [] [12:32] <SoonerGryffindor> the library really is her world. There is only one time we ever see her out of it [12:32] <SapphireFalcon> good point poet [12:32] <Poet> She's a bit like Filch, huh? :) [12:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Would Dumbledore have condoned her behavior in whacking them as they ran from the library? [12:32] *** princessmela has quit [Bye] [12:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I think DD would have been amused [12:32] <SueDNim> I have a feeling she values books more as objects than for the knowlege in them. She doesn't care that it's Harry's own book and he can do what he likes witth it. [12:32] <huebbe> perhaps not...had he known [12:32] *** paudie has quit [Bye] [12:32] <bemused> *cough* Snape's Mum [12:33] <SoonerGryffindor> lol bemused [12:33] <Poet> Dumbledore does let the staff do sort of as they please, but not when it comes to physical harm [12:33] <SueDNim> I think he would have been amused, too. I was. [12:33] <SoonerGryffindor> (i agree) [12:33] <bookworm1102> lolbemused [12:33] <SapphireFalcon> lol bemused [12:33] <Poet> Of course, they could always hex her (chuckle) [12:33] <Poet> coughyescough [12:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess I just find the image of them being whacked by books more comical than anything. I dont think it was that big of a deal [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> Probably not amused, but I don't see it as quite the same kind of temper that Umbridge displayed in shaking Marietta. [12:33] <huebbe> I don't think he notices that type of behavior much [12:33] <Poet> I totally agree SoonerGryffindor [12:33] <bookworm1102> oh yea poet dumbledore would love that :) [12:34] <ProngsPatronus> oh, I think Dd would have laughed [12:34] <SapphireFalcon> yes it was moslty just funny [12:34] <Poet> yes [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of Snape’s method of getting at Harry in Potions? [12:34] <Poet> Which one? hahaha [12:34] <becky920> I thought it was pretty immature, honestly [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry seemed okay with it. I loved the comparison with Snape and Uncle Vernon [12:34] *** paudie has joined #lounge [12:34] <bemused> Childish, mean and beneath him.... [12:34] <bookworm1102> to show that even harry could fail at somthing [12:34] <SueDNim> Understandable, but very immature and unprofessional. [12:34] *** princessmela has joined #lounge [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> wb guys [12:34] <SueDNim> uh oh, lag [12:34] <Spectre> When he knocked his potion, this one? [12:34] <Poet> yeah [12:34] <becky920> Snape and Sirius both seem to be confusing Harry with James now -- they both need to realize he's not his father [12:34] *** SueDNim left #lounge [] [12:34] <SapphireFalcon> unproffessional is a good word here sue [12:34] <Poet> Very childish [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> if anyone is having bad lag, just type /reconnect [12:35] <bookworm1102> agreed becky [12:35] <SapphireFalcon> what is bad lag [12:35] *** SueDNim has joined #lounge [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> when what you type takes forever to appear [12:35] <SapphireFalcon> oh right thanks [12:35] <paudie> hiya what's the topic at the mo got a bit lost there somewhere? [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of Harry’s potion-making abilities when not distracted by Snape? [12:35] *** paudie left #lounge [] [12:36] <Spectre> he behaved like his younger self from the memory [12:36] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [12:36] <Poet> Of course, Harry has accomplished so much and held his own against wizards Snape's own age. It's hard when he looks like James to not imagine him as an equal and a rival [12:36] <mdbennett> surprisingly good [12:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think Harry has always had the ability to be a competent potioneer. [12:36] <becky920> He's no Hermione, but he does fine when he's left to his own devices [12:36] *** paudie has joined #lounge [12:36] <bemused> Harry seems to be much more able at most things than he realises [12:36] <bookworm1102> i think he was decent enough to pass the class [12:36] <SueDNim> He's actually pretty good when Snape's not watching ... just as Ron is a good keeper once his brothers are off the team. [12:36] <Poet> too true [12:36] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, he scraped an E on his OWL [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> right, and now we see that he let Snape get to him. Personally, I think that's a good lesson because Harry will need to be able to work under pressure [12:36] <SapphireFalcon> I bet Neville was better in the test too lol [12:36] <Poet> It shows that Harry needs to concentrate to achieve his tasks - just like the rest of us [12:36] <bookworm1102> but that is proabably somthing to do with hermione [12:36] <MrMcGonagall> As Snape is always telling him to do, Sooner. LOL [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [12:37] <Spectre> Harry is competent enough, even without HBP's book :D [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> Don't wear emotions on your sleeve and allow it to distract you. [12:37] <SapphireFalcon> kind of Ironic when tou thinka bout it [12:37] <princessmela> Yes Harry isn't a natural but he does well when he tries [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> funny how Snape can teach Harry really well when Harry doesnt realize it is Snape /off-topic [12:37] <SueDNim> Snape's advice is good, but it's hard to take advice from somebody you hate [12:37] <Poet> Right. Funny that Snape is always bugging Harry about concentrating, but its Snape himself who makes that hard for Harry. Harry needs to let somethings go and don't bug him so much if he wants to be successful [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> What careers do you think are viable for the Trio? [12:38] <becky920> That's a fair point about his distractions, though... some of the things Harry's had the hardest time with are things that require lots of focus, like "accio" [12:38] <Poet> Auror if the Ministry wasn't so stuffed [12:38] <ProngsPatronus> anything for hermione [12:38] <princessmela> I still want Hermione in Muggle relations [12:38] <SapphireFalcon> Harry would make a good auror [12:38] <MrMcGonagall> I really wonder about Hermione. I've been thinking she should work in the Wizarding Examinations Authority. [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [12:38] <Poet> There may be a Minister some day that they wouldn't mind working under [12:38] <ProngsPatronus> I think hermione may become an unspeakable [12:38] <princessmela> I can't really see Harry an auror..you know? [12:38] <becky920> She'd be a good teacher, too [12:38] <Spectre> Harry may make it into England national Quidditch team [12:38] <SueDNim> Harry - auror, Hermione - dept of Magical Creatures or whatever the name is, Ron - no idea [12:38] <bookworm1102> i wouldn't be supried if ron and harry were aurors and hermione was a healer [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> just as long as Ron doesnt want to be an apparition instructor, I think he will be okay [12:38] <Poet> They've sort of being acting like Aurors their whole time at Hogwarts [12:39] <SapphireFalcon> Hermione should join the Ministry and clean uop corupption [12:39] <ProngsPatronus> i could see ron as a healer, maybe [12:39] <princessmela> Sue she didn't COMC 6th year I'm thinking that would eliminate her [12:39] <mdbennett> Yea..careers. I was wondering about the healer one [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I actually think Ron might be a healer as well [12:39] <MrMcGonagall> Ron could be in the Accidental Magic Reversal Squad if he didn't cause so many himself. [12:39] <SueDNim> I think Hermione will find a way to change the corruption of the Ministry as regards nonhumans and part humans, from within [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [12:39] <Poet> Yes, because Hermione's parents are dentists, but she didn't mind getting her teeth fixed with magic.... [12:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I would love to see Hermione become the first muggle-born MoM [12:39] <Poet> Healer is not so far off [12:39] <bookworm1102> ron could end st the minisrt with the games and sports division [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> Me too, Sooner [12:40] <Poet> Hermione would make an awesome MoM. [12:40] <Spectre> Hermione may work in liaison with "magical creatures" [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> Good one, bookworm [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> if anyone could do it, it would be her [12:40] <princessmela> I honestly think that Harry should just play Quidditch for the rest of his life...give himself a break [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree princess [12:40] <SapphireFalcon> yes she would poet [12:40] <bookworm1102> i agree princess [12:40] <SueDNim> I'd forgotten about that, princess. You're right [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think a dozen years or so playing quidditch would be good for Harry and Ron [12:40] <becky920> I think Ron would be a good healer, Hermione a good teacher and Harry a decent Auror -- but I wouldn't be surprised if Ron winds up on a professional Quidditch team [12:40] <ProngsPatronus> would the Toad's ban hold up? [12:40] <SapphireFalcon> good point princess. [12:41] <Poet> It didn't in Book 6 [12:41] <Spectre> and then, like Bagman, go to the Department of Magical Games? [12:41] <SapphireFalcon> it doesn't in HBP [12:41] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Ron is really a professional quality Keeper. [12:41] <MrMcGonagall> But I could see him in Magical Games and Sports. [12:41] <Spectre> Ron would go there really, he's a good Wizard Chess player [12:41] <SapphireFalcon> I meant Harry [12:41] <SueDNim> It's odd that I don't see Ron as excelling at anything while in truth his grades are the same as Harry's [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Why was the Toad present for Harry’s appointment? What was its purpose there? [12:41] <SueDNim> Good point, MrM. Ron's a great chess player [12:41] <bemused> snooping [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> She was there just to annoy Harry I think [12:41] <becky920> Interference, of course [12:42] <Spectre> She wanted to know what Harry wanted [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, just to snoop. [12:42] <SapphireFalcon> sooner did you refer to Umbridge as it? [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she'd desperate to het him chucked out of school [12:42] <paudie> show more of her power in the school [12:42] <bookworm1102> to make sure he ends up not getting what he wants :) [12:42] <SueDNim> Whe was a Ministry official, but yeah I think it was mainly to snoop [12:42] *** HPotterFanatic has joined #lounge [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, that's how we refer to her [12:42] <Poet> Any chance to make Harry feel like a loser [12:42] <SapphireFalcon> lol [12:42] <mdbennett> trying to discourage [12:42] <HPotterFanatic> hey everyone [12:42] <HPotterFanatic> im a new mwmber [12:42] <SapphireFalcon> hi [12:42] <paudie> hi there [12:43] <Spectre> hi HPFanatic [12:43] <mdbennett> hi [12:43] <bookworm1102> hi [12:43] <bemused> Possibly snooping on Minerva M as well as Harry [12:43] <SueDNim> hi [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> Why was McGonagall so fierce in Harry’s defense? [12:43] <princessmela> I assumed that she was present for all olf them [12:43] <Spectre> because she's his Head of House [12:43] <mdbennett> maybe to report to the MOM [12:43] <HPotterFanatic> wats ^? wat r u guys talkin 'bout? [12:43] <SueDNim> Because she's genuinely fond of him as well as being in the Order [12:43] <becky920> I think McGonagall is genuinely fond of Harry, even if she's a little brusque sometimes [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> She hates Umbridge's interference. [12:43] <Poet> Desperate times....desperate reactions. She's not as guarded in her feelings at the moment [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome HPFanatic. We are currently discussing chapters 29 and 30 of OotP. I am asking discussion questions [12:43] <bookworm1102> b/c she hate umbridge with a passion [12:43] <ProngsPatronus> because this was something on which she could legitimately cross the Toad [12:43] <SapphireFalcon> Minerva doesn't like the toad at all [12:43] <SueDNim> I ***love*** McGonagal and that's my second favorite chapter of the book [12:43] <mdbennett> Because she didn't give Umbridge any credit [12:43] <HPotterFanatic> ok [12:44] <HPotterFanatic> thank u [12:44] <SapphireFalcon> me 2 sue [12:44] <princessmela> Minerva really hated toad woman [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> It wouldn't matter what career Harry chose. If Umbridge opposed it, McG would defend him. [12:44] * SoonerGryffindor completely fangirls MM in this chapter [12:44] <SueDNim> She definitely would, yes! [12:44] <SapphireFalcon> me to sooner [12:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the descriptive writing in this scene as well [12:44] <Spectre> the infamous "cough pills" quote... was it there? :) [12:44] <SueDNim> yes! lol [12:44] <bookworm1102> lol [12:44] <SapphireFalcon> lol [12:44] *** HPotterFanatic has quit [Bye] [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Was Harry reckless in seeking to talk to Sirius through the fire in the Toad’s office? If so, why? [12:45] <becky920> yes [12:45] <Spectre> totally [12:45] <bookworm1102> yes [12:45] <bemused> yes [12:45] <SueDNim> Yes [12:45] <MrMcGonagall> Yes. [12:45] <mdbennett> Yes. [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to say that I was completely on board with his plan until MM stood up for him [12:45] <becky920> Harry reckless? No way. (Of course he was! LOL) [12:45] <SapphireFalcon> yes. [12:45] <paudie> i can see why he did it though [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> after that, I thought it was a bad idea [12:45] <bookworm1102> i think he was a little desperite [12:45] <MrMcGonagall> If he's just unwrap the stupid mirror!! [12:45] <Poet> Yes, but times were desperate [12:45] <bemused> because it was too much of a risk, and if he'd stopped to think he might have remembered the mirror [12:45] *** janieb has joined #lounge [12:45] <Spectre> Invading a professor's and a Ministry official's office... [12:46] <SueDNim> Sirius and Lupin expected him to use the mirror. That's why they're so surprised. [12:46] <SapphireFalcon> it was kinda dumb. [12:46] <ProngsPatronus> I do think he was desperate to hear from a friendly adult at this point [12:46] <princessmela> I don't get why Harry was against the mirror [12:46] <bemused> that mirror is so frustrating [12:46] <mdbennett> He was so bothered by the Pensive..he wasn't thinking straight [12:46] <MrMcGonagall> Sirius ought to have told him their little chat that he should use the mirror as a safer means of communication. [12:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I really do think that Harry should not have done that after his counseling appointment [12:46] <SapphireFalcon> mirror = DH plot point! [12:46] <paudie> I dont think he knows about the mirror cos he didnt open the package [12:46] <Spectre> "bother, bother, bother"... sorry, can't resist :) [12:47] <SapphireFalcon> huh spectre [12:47] <SapphireFalcon> ? [12:47] <MrMcGonagall> Sirius told him it was a safe and easy way to contact him. [12:47] <MrMcGonagall> when he gave it to him [12:47] <SapphireFalcon> he did? [12:47] <MrMcGonagall> yes [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Sirius was looking for Kreacher when Harry popped in for the chat. Where was Kreacher? [12:47] <SapphireFalcon> oh right [12:47] <Poet> I guess he relies on what he feels most comfortable with [12:47] <princessmela> That is true and I guess it means Harry didn't trust Sirius [12:47] <SueDNim> nope, he didn't If he had, Harry would have known to use the mirror [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Narcissa Malfoy [12:47] <Spectre> Kreacher was probably "out" [12:47] <SueDNim> He didn't even know it was a mirror until the end of the book [12:47] <Poet> He'd gone out for a little stroll [12:47] <bookworm1102> but when was everthing safe and easy w/ harry mr mcg:) [12:47] <Expelliarmas> I wonder if he wasn't at the DE headquarters [12:48] <Poet> I think he strolled as far as Wiltshire [12:48] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Kreacher was licking Narcissa's boots. [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> he was out with Narcissa discussing cousing Sirius [12:48] <SapphireFalcon> lol mr mcg [12:48] <bookworm1102> i think he was stealling more stuff [12:48] <SapphireFalcon> like the other mirror. [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly would not be surprised if the locked turns up at the Malfoy residence, but that's for another chat [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> *locket [12:48] <Spectre> was Bella also present there? The Lestranges had to live somewhere, and Malfoys are their relatives by marriage... [12:48] <bookworm1102> mybe he stole sirius mirror [12:48] <SapphireFalcon> mirror, people [12:49] <Poet> I'd imagine that Narcissa was at home [12:49] <SueDNim> Good question, because this occurs months after Kreacher ran to Narcissa. Could he have gone to her more than once? [12:49] <Poet> I think he did go more than once [12:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he could have. We see Dobby do that in CoS [12:49] <SapphireFalcon> possibly if out was interpreted as a standing order [12:49] <princessmela> I think he just moved out and Sirius didn't notice [12:49] <princessmela> lol [12:49] <bookworm1102> would kreacker have known wherre the malfoys lived [12:49] <SueDNim> The first time to tell her what he can about Sirius and Harry, and the second time to report that he'd successfully distracted Sirius? [12:49] <janieb> Would h have to punish himself after the first time? [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so bookworm [12:50] <Poet> Makes me think that he might have even been able to relay info to Narcissa through a portrait in the attic as well. Never know if there might have been a portrait of a relative at both of their houses [12:50] <SapphireFalcon> probably bookworm. it is a big mansion right? [12:50] <Spectre> House elves seem to be able to apparate to any of the owning family members [12:50] <becky920> Kreacher does punish himself when Harry's looking for Sirius in the fire later -- his hands are bandaged [12:50] <Poet> Know what I mean...I think he definitely went to her house at least once [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a feeling that was not the first time Kreacher had to punish himself. Just the first time that Harry saw it [12:51] <janieb> Oh, yeah--thanks Becky [12:51] <Poet> I totally agree [12:51] <SapphireFalcon> the portrait is a good idea [12:51] <SueDNim> yes [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think of the explanations given by Sirius and Lupin? [12:51] <bookworm1102> i dont think kreacher minds punishing himself thou [12:51] <bemused> Oh - I thought they were bandaged cos he'd injured Buckbeak [12:51] <becky920> No, it's a THIPS [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly have to say that I thought their explanations were a bit lame [12:51] <Poet> Of James? [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah [12:51] <SueDNim> I thought it made perfect sense, and it's one of my favorite scenes. It shows a lot about the Marauders' relationships [12:52] <Expelliarmas> What else could they say? They were 15 and full of themselves [12:52] <mdbennett> I dont think they thought Harry could handle the whole truth [12:52] <janieb> Goos question, Sooner. I wonder if Lupin would have gone into more detail one on one with Harry [12:52] <Poet> Sort of how Ron might explain the Draco/Harry feud [12:52] <bookworm1102> i think they were trying to tell harry that james wasnot always that bad i mean look were the memory came from [12:52] <bemused> Yes - Sirius seemed to come nearest to acknowledge how wrong they were, Lupin just shrugged it off [12:52] <SapphireFalcon> remember that memory was James at his worst [12:52] <becky920> I wish both of them had been more contrite [12:52] <SueDNim> which echoes their personalities as youngsters [12:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess they were constrained by time, but what makes me most angry is why could Sirius have not said "why didnt you use the mirror?" [12:53] <janieb> I agree with both Becky and sooner [12:53] <princessmela> I still say the marauders did not seem any worse than Fred and George..except Sirius and James were beyond arrogant [12:53] <Expelliarmas> I think they were surprised by Harry's appearance [12:53] <Spectre> maybe Sirius was so surprised that he also forgot about the mirror? [12:53] <SapphireFalcon> I wonder if Snape altered the memory? [12:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I am glad that they were able to put Harry's mind at ease [12:53] <becky920> Probably because JKR already planned for him to bite it, Sooner [12:54] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but it still stinks [12:54] <princessmela> lol becky [12:54] <Spectre> though... why *Sirius* never tried to contact Harry with the mirror? [12:54] <bookworm1102> i wouldnt put that past him sapphire [12:54] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [12:54] <Poet> yes, the "Jo" reason is always the first once I think of (chuckle) [12:54] <SueDNim> That's what I thought, Spectre. And once Harry was there, they may as well talk to him. But in any case, JKR couldn't allow Sirius to remind Harry of the mirror [12:54] *** anguinea has joined #lounge [12:54] <bemused> No Sapphire - JKR says the Pensieve memories are objective recordings of the scene [12:54] <SapphireFalcon> Yeah like to change the line to "it's more the fact that he exists" [12:54] <princessmela> I don't see any evidence that Sirius didn't contact Harry [12:54] <princessmela> maybe he did [12:54] <becky920> Harry wouldn't have heard it though -- it was buried in his trunk [12:54] <Poet> Those mirrors certainly are tricky. Almost seems like they both have to know the other might be looking in it [12:54] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it would not have suited the future development of the plot. [12:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Why were Sirius and Lupin so upset about the end of the lessons from Snape? How do you think Dumbledore reacted? [12:55] <becky920> Because they knew how important it was... unfortunately, Harry didn't [12:55] <princessmela> They knew why Harry was suppossed to be taking them [12:55] <SueDNim> Sirius and Lupin must be in Dumbledor's confidence, so they realize why Occlumency is so important [12:55] <SapphireFalcon> remember Slughoprn tried to alter the memory and failed. Snape would have a lot more skill. [12:55] <anguinea> I would assume they were ALWAYS looking for Snape to betray and worried that was him foiling DD's wishes. [12:55] <princessmela> I still don't understand why they didn't tell Harry..that Voldemort might use the connection as a trick [12:55] <bemused> Because they knew how important Occlumency was supposed to be [12:55] <princessmela> that bothers me [12:55] <bookworm1102> because harry wasn't learning any thing and it showed james in harrys eyes in a bad way i think Dumbledore would have talked to snape [12:56] <MrMcGonagall> Everyone in the Order knows how important it is for Harry to block LV's ability to enter his mind. [12:56] <SoonerGryffindor> everyone except Harry, that is [12:56] <Spectre> maybe they also hoped that Harry would be at least *able* to work with Snape? [12:56] <SapphireFalcon> and they couldn't tell Harry becaulse LV would know they knew [12:56] <SueDNim> I wonder that too, princess, but I think it's for the same reason as the mirror. Harry can't know, from a plot standpoint [12:56] <Expelliarmas> well, actually, Harry *was* told how important they were, just not why [12:57] <becky920> On the other hand, if he had known, would he have taken it more seriously? [12:57] <MrMcGonagall> If Harry can't figure it out after the incident at Christmas, he's pretty dense. [12:57] <bemused> Exactly, Mr M [12:57] <mdbennett> well... [12:57] <becky920> Sometimes Harry's curiosity makes me want to shake him. [12:57] <bookworm1102> did everyone else in the order know why harry was takeing occulency? i mean the whole LV posseion thing? [12:57] <Expelliarmas> Where Snape is concerned, Harry can be thick as a brick [12:57] <SapphireFalcon> Because Voldy would know they knew princess. [12:57] <janieb> Lol, Mr. Mc--Me too, Becky [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to defend Harry here. The lack of information going his way was unexcuseable [12:57] <bemused> Me three janieb [12:57] <SueDNim> Most of them did' they were talking about it in the hospital [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> the adults in charge of the situation dropped the ball [12:58] <Expelliarmas> True, Sooner, but the fact that DD told him how important this was, that was a big clue for Harry to take it seriously [12:58] <becky920> Combination of both, Sooner -- Harry needs to get some impulse control, and Dumbledore should have told him WHY occlumency was so important [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> he would have, but this was Snape [12:58] <mdbennett> maybe they were following DD's lead on keeping distance [12:58] <anguinea> But they were worried Harry was an open door to LV. [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> they should have realized that [12:58] <MrMcGonagall> Snape did tell him in their first lesson that DD thought it unwise to allow the connection between Harry and LV to continue [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> DD even admits at the end that he made a mistake with that [12:59] <Expelliarmas> In telling Harry why this was important, they would have given away they knew of the connection to LV [12:59] <SapphireFalcon> sooner you ar3e right it doesn't seem fair but there was nothing they could do about it. He was a security risk. [12:59] <bemused> But DD couldn't speak to HArry without rousing Voldemort and Harry should have known DD well enough to trust him [12:59] <anguinea> hindsight is always 20/20 [12:59] <SapphireFalcon> too true [12:59] <Poet> And they are used to being in meetings with Snape, so they are used to working with Snape as an equal right now. Harry hasn't [12:59] <anguinea> DD had to make the judgments based on what he suspected. |
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[12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you make of the Twins’ departure? How did you feel?
[12:59] <princessmela> Harry was only 15 [12:59] <SueDNim> It was brilliant [12:59] <mdbennett> love it [12:59] <princessmela> we have to remember that [12:59] <Poet> They didn't take into consideration Harry's relationship with Snape hasn't changed [12:59] <bemused> Smashing! [12:59] <becky920> I wonder if they couldn't have done some kind of "impenetrus" spell on Harry's head? [12:59] <Poet> Yes, brilliant [12:59] <SueDNim> Very, very satisfying to read. A stand up and cheer moment [13:00] <bookworm1102> i thought it was the only way for them to go Out with a bang [13:00] <SapphireFalcon> so funny. I love reading it over [13:00] <Expelliarmas> It was fabu, but then kind of sad. My first clue things would not be the same at Hogwarts [13:00] <mdbennett> totally took the wind out of Umbridge's sails [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> It was brilliant. [13:00] <janieb> Give her hell, Peeves! [13:00] <anguinea> LOL...fabu. [13:00] <princessmela> I think it was one of the few happy momments in a very dark book for me [13:00] <princessmela> honestly [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> cannot wait to see this in the film [13:00] <SapphireFalcon> oh yeah! [13:00] <becky920> It was very fun to read but also illustrates the cost of Harry sneaking into Umbridge's office -- it cost him the twins [13:00] <bookworm1102> agreed sooner [13:00] <mdbennett> yes ,princess [13:00] <bemused> true, becky [13:00] <Spectre> The Twins were superb [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> ah, the twins were just looking for a good excuse [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> Eh, it was just a matter of time, anyway, before Umbridge caught the twins. [13:00] <SapphireFalcon> they would have done it anywayt Becky [13:01] <janieb> yea, Becky and Bemused [13:01] <Poet> Shows that some fall in war, and that some people make sacrifices for others - especially for Harry [13:01] <anguinea> well, it cost him the twins...but they were already gone. it just gave them a chance to make it huge [13:01] <Poet> Also prepares us for the fact that not everyone finishes Hogwarts [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I cannot think of a better way for them to have gone out [13:01] <anguinea> and inspire everyone. [13:01] <becky920> Yeah, but I don't think he would have gone so flippantly into her office the second time later -- he and Hermione might have thought that through better [13:01] <bookworm1102> but can you imagine thetwins leaving an anyother way? they would never leave quietly [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Peeves salute the Twins? [13:01] <SapphireFalcon> they knew enough to succeed in the world and that is what counts [13:01] <bemused> No - they were always going to do it in style [13:02] <SueDNim> Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise - gave the twins that much more impetus (not to mention time) to start working on anti-dark-arts stuff [13:02] <Expelliarmas> The Twins were ready to go, and wanted to make a big exit [13:02] <mdbennett> respect [13:02] <Spectre> Because he sees them as equals [13:02] <Poet> Peeves loves making trouble. It was like a holiday celebration for him almost [13:02] <MrMcGonagall> Peeves was paying homage to the only troublemakers he could consider his peers. [13:02] <MrMcGonagall> LOL [13:02] <Spectre> I wonder if he ever saluted the Marauders [13:02] <bemused> Because he recognised them as his equals in mayhem [13:02] <anguinea> you wonder. [13:02] <Expelliarmas> Peeves is at war with Umbridge as well, she's trying to get him expelled also [13:02] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:02] <SueDNim> Peeves saluted the twins because he respected them as he had no other students, and because he applauded their fight against Umbridge [13:02] <SapphireFalcon> maybe spectre. I wouldn't be surprised [13:02] <bookworm1102> I think peeves finall respected them to the the point were he would follw orders from them [13:02] <Poet> Seems like even they had one-upped Peeves with those fireworks [13:02] <cloudpic> Peeves is a kindred spirit! [13:02] <cloudpic> LOL [13:03] <SapphireFalcon> literally [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> The twins really are after Peeves' own heart. [13:03] <Poet> cloudpic! [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I loved Peeves in this scene as well [13:03] <SapphireFalcon> what expie? [13:03] <SueDNim> It's actually a perfect cap to a great scene [13:03] <SapphireFalcon> yes [13:03] <Spectre> "It unscrews the other way"... :D [13:03] <SueDNim> lol [13:03] <anguinea> perfect. [13:04] <Expelliarmas> that was just a mod command, SapphireFalcon [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Hahahahaha [13:04] <bookworm1102> lol [13:04] <anguinea> :D [13:04] <cloudpic> Poor Peeves doesn't get very much "positive" acknowledgement of his ... usefulness until then [13:04] <SapphireFalcon> my fav scene ever! [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> Moving on to Chapter 30 now..... [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> How do you feel about the Grawp subplot? Do you think it has some significance to the main storyline, or is it just an “amusing” deviation from the main story? (Chamber 88) [13:04] <mdbennett> Awesome [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Long-term storyline, yes. [13:04] <bemused> Yawn... [13:04] <anguinea> i am not sure where that is going. [13:04] <princessmela> I hated Grawp [13:04] <Expelliarmas> Ohhhh, Grawp gets on my nerves [13:04] <Poet> I have to agree [13:04] <janieb> Way to fangirl, McGonagall, Spectre! [13:04] *** JeffHpFan has joined #lounge [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I really, really hope there ends up being a point to this [13:04] <SueDNim> I never warmed to it, but I think it must be leading in to some subplot in HPB [13:04] <Spectre> Grawp had his part in Umbridge's defeat :D [13:04] <JeffHpFan> hi [13:04] <SueDNim> in mean in DH [13:04] <becky920> I think it'll be more important later than it is now [13:04] <cloudpic> I thought the Grawp subplot was connected to a few of the key themes of the series [13:04] <Poet> All sort of creature will have importance in Book 7 I think [13:04] <Expelliarmas> hello Jeff [13:04] <mdbennett> struggled [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think it will be hugely significant in DH, but I'm sure Grawp and giants will have some role to play. [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> there better be more to Grawp than just he had to get them rescued from the centaurs [13:05] <bookworm1102> I lliked how he cant say hermiones name [13:05] <becky920> And I think she needed to introduce us to Grawp here, so he could "rescue" Harry and Hermione later from the centaurs [13:05] <Expelliarmas> The whole Grawp thing was just so .... clumsy or clunky, hard to explain [13:05] <SueDNim> lol bookworm, yes [13:05] <cloudpic> Like "respect" and hopefulness and not judging by appearances (or behavior ;P) [13:05] <Poet> They need to show what a giant could do and how they like other creatures have bad sides as well as good [13:05] <bemused> I hope it won't be too important (or take up too many pages....) [13:05] <SapphireFalcon> Grawp would be good in a fight if you could commnicate with him [13:05] <princessmela> I would of rather had it be like Norbert coming back [13:05] <Poet> yes! [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Jo gave Grawp a cameo in HBP for a reason, I think, too. [13:05] <princessmela> Grawp was just annoying [13:05] <bookworm1102> i think he would have a huge part in DH [13:05] <Spectre> Grawp and Norbert... formidable :) [13:05] <cloudpic> Grawp is clunky and clumsey... himself [13:05] <anguinea> hmmm...well, if hagrid dies...grawp might be more important. [13:05] <janieb> There is so much unconditional love between Grapw and Hagrid--I think it will be important in DH [13:05] <SapphireFalcon> Norbert would dbe even coler [13:05] <bemused> I'd rather have the Brazilian snake from Ps back... [13:05] <Expelliarmas> nice pun bookworm1102 [13:06] <anguinea> ME TOO [13:06] <anguinea> :D [13:06] * SoonerGryffindor fangirls the Brazilian snake [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [13:06] <Poet> Who else could take on the centaurs and Umbridge with Dumbledore gone [13:06] <SueDNim> I think so too, janie. He's actually quite loveable at the funeral scene (sorry, getting ahead of myself) [13:06] <Spectre> Would Grawp destroy one of the Horcruxes with his giant strength? [13:06] <SapphireFalcon> Sooner Gryffindor has fangirl issues [13:06] <SapphireFalcon> lol [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> Slytherins end up in the hospital wing for helping Umbridge. Are these simply school pranks? (Chamber 29) [13:07] <princessmela> I just have a thing for dragons I think [13:07] <bemused> I doubt if strength would be enough, Spectre [13:07] <becky920> Oh, no... it's a bit more than usual pranks [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> hahha. I loved that the other students are striking back [13:07] <bookworm1102> i think its payback [13:07] <Poet> Pranks and revenge [13:07] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [13:07] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:07] <Expelliarmas> I think the other students are ticked about the Slytherins being snitches [13:07] <SapphireFalcon> Angelina did too though. In a school full of Magic teens pranks can go nuts [13:07] <Spectre> Maybe, some unexpected spell effects, as in the train scene? [13:07] <becky920> I understand it but I don't condone it [13:07] <bemused> It's easier for the kids to take revenge on other kids than on Umbridge [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to say that I completely condoned it [13:07] <SapphireFalcon> yes spectre [13:07] <SueDNim> I think it's retribution for anybody who'd be evil enough to help Umbridge [13:07] <SapphireFalcon> me too [13:08] *** JeffHpFan left #lounge [] [13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I like to think of it as Karma [13:08] <bookworm1102> they tourtured the students and now the students are tourturing them [13:08] <SueDNim> I do. I'd be right there with them. [13:08] <janieb> WWDDT? [13:08] <SapphireFalcon> yes!lol [13:08] <Spectre> Execution of the Inquisition :D [13:08] <bookworm1102> lol [13:08] <SapphireFalcon> what is wwddt? [13:08] <Poet> WW Moody do? :) [13:08] <Expelliarmas> The Slytherins were abusing power, the other houses found ways to get back at them [13:08] <SueDNim> lol poet [13:08] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [13:08] <janieb> What would Dumbledore think? [13:08] <Poet> ah [13:08] <bemused> glad you asked that.... [13:09] <SapphireFalcon> dunno [13:09] <SueDNim> Dumbledore would become temporarily blind and deaf [13:09] <bookworm1102> or they cant punish umbridge so they punished the next best thing [13:09] <Poet> indeed [13:09] <SapphireFalcon> lol [13:09] <janieb> Lol, sue [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Was Hermione right to wonder if they should tell Madam Pomfrey what had happened to Montague? (Chamber 29) [13:09] <bookworm1102> lol sue [13:09] <Kneazly> Hi everyone [13:09] <Spectre> hi Kneazly [13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> my answer to this depends on if Montague was really in danger of his life or not [13:09] <Expelliarmas> I think she was right to wonder, I'm glad no one did [13:09] <bemused> Yes - it was about his health and it might have alerted evryone to the Vanishing Cabinet [13:09] <anguinea> well, he was damaged, wasn't he. [13:09] <Kneazly> I think really they should have, but difficult without getting F and G in trouble [13:09] <janieb> Yes, yes, yes--I so wish she had acted on her own--if it had been a houself instead... [13:10] <mdbennett> I think she cares if he's okay [13:10] <becky920> I do think she should have [13:10] <Poet> It's nigh impossible to cure someone if you don't know what caused their injury [13:10] <Expelliarmas> I'm not sure he wasn't damaged going into the Cabinet [13:10] <Spectre> Fred and George were already out of school [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but its Montague... did he really have all of his marbles to start with? [13:10] <princessmela> Yeah I mean the vanishing cabinet is kind of a dangerous concept [13:10] <bookworm1102> the thing is she always wants to tell the teachers something but in a way [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> If she had, maybe DD would be alive today. [13:10] <Poet> Eventually someone should have told [13:10] <becky920> Still, it's not the kids place to make that decision. They should have said. [13:10] <SapphireFalcon> I doubt he was. He was just stuck in limbe [13:10] <princessmela> That is true I wuold feel more guilty about the vanishing cabinet now [13:10] <SapphireFalcon> i mean limbo [13:10] <bookworm1102> she had a right too this time [13:10] <Spectre> still - why Umbridge didn't try to prosecute them for this school mayhem... though it's off topic :) [13:10] <anguinea> i mean, in real life, i would have left some sort of anonymous note at the very least. [13:10] <Poet> I agree. Hindsight is 20/20 of course [13:11] <mdbennett> i like the note idea [13:11] <SapphireFalcon> good idea anguinea [13:11] <bemused> Yes... it was a piece of informationw hich might have helped the healers [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> lol on the note [13:11] <Expelliarmas> hmmm, I think the Toad would not have believed the note [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> "to whom it may concern...." [13:11] <princessmela> she probably did and the ministry told her they had better things to do [13:11] <anguinea> but waht about pomfrey [13:11] <anguinea> she might have taken it seriously. [13:11] *** cloudpic has quit [Ping timeout] [13:11] <Expelliarmas> Pomfrey would have taken action but not the Toad [13:11] <Kneazly> Montague may have been out of order, but the punishment seems excessive [13:12] * SoonerGryffindor is totally imagining Hermione assembling a note out of words from the Daily Prophet [13:12] <Expelliarmas> The Toad sees the Slytherins as tools, not as being valuable people [13:12] <SapphireFalcon> Montague is stuck in the Vanishing cabinet. get him out or don't. [13:12] <Kneazly> Laugh [13:12] <mdbennett> lol [13:12] <becky920> Of course this is a book totally full of gray areas -- nobody's perfect here [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think the twins knew what the effect would be. [13:12] <Expelliarmas> neither do I, MrM [13:12] <janieb> Lol, Sooner! [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> They just thought they were stuffing him in a broken cabinet. [13:12] <anguinea> i don't either. [13:12] <anguinea> right [13:12] <Spectre> Did Montague actually travel in time rather than disappearing for a few days? [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm sure the twins feel bad about it now. It set a bad chain of events rolling [13:12] <bemused> No - they do have a tendency to try it first, and then see [13:12] <SapphireFalcon> they just shoved him one [13:12] <Poet> He left Hogwarts, still in a daze. I hope he's recovered by now [13:12] <Kneazly> I don't think they did, but when he didn't reappear within a day, someone should have said something [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> Like shoving someone in a locker. [13:13] <bookworm1102> lol [13:13] <SapphireFalcon> lol [13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think about Ron’s confidence? Does it help him that his brothers aren’t there to pressure him? (Chamber 29) [13:13] *** SapphireFalcon left #lounge [] [13:13] <SueDNim> Definitely [13:13] <Spectre> In a way [13:13] <bookworm1102> yes [13:13] <princessmela> They can't tease him directly anymore [13:13] <bemused> He seems to come into his own when they're not around [13:13] <bookworm1102> because ron not in there shadow [13:13] <mdbennett> at first, it didn't seem to matter [13:13] <janieb> I so wish we had seen the quidditch match! [13:14] <SueDNim> Poor Ron's got a lot to live up to with 5 successful older brothers [13:14] <princessmela> I know! [13:14] <Expelliarmas> Ron gets to step out of the shadows of all his brothers at last [13:14] <SueDNim> no woder he had no confidence [13:14] <SueDNim> wonder^ [13:14] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [13:14] <princessmela> I wonder if she got tired of writing Quidditch [13:14] <Spectre> He's finally the oldest Weasley in the school :) [13:14] <SueDNim> and a prefect to boot [13:14] <princessmela> LOL [13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> that;'s a good point Spectre [13:15] <cloudpic> Ron's getting his mirror of erised wishes to some extent [13:15] <bookworm1102> he doesnt have everyone comparing him to his brothers now tooo [13:15] <Kneazly> F and G would stand up for Ron in any circumstances, but they tease the life and confidence out of him, so I think it does help they're out of the way [13:15] <janieb> I can't figure out where he got it inside him in that instant to shake it off [13:15] <SueDNim> True, cloudpic. Makes me very happy for him [13:15] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, he's sort of halfway there, cloudpic. [13:15] <cloudpic> Yeah, Kneazly, Fred and George had that effect on Ron [13:15] <becky920> I wouldn't be surprised if all of Ron's mirror stuff comes true before it's all over -- *if* they go back to school, of course [13:15] <SoonerGryffindor> weird, I never realzed just how much till now [13:16] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [13:16] <bookworm1102> me either sooner [13:16] <Kneazly> It would be cool if he were head boy [13:16] <SueDNim> yeah, it would [13:16] <princessmela> I think they are going back to school..I doubt if there is any Quidditch [13:16] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Pleshette [13:16] <Kneazly> Hermione and Molly would be beside themselves with pride [13:16] <Pleshette> Hello :) [13:16] <janieb> Goodpoint Becky--lots of foreshadowing here--Will Mr. Weasely become the Minister, too? [13:16] <princessmela> would Ron want to be Headboy though [13:16] <Kneazly> Hi Pleshette [13:17] <Expelliarmas> I think Ron would have loved being HeadBoy, but not the work [13:17] *** paudie has quit [Bye] [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> What did you think about Hagrid asking Harry and Hermione to agree to something before they knew what they were getting into? Was that fair? (Chamber 29) [13:17] <Poet> Quidditch is out for sure. I'd love to see Ron be able to stretch his legs even more now that it's his second year without older brothers at Hogwarts. We'll see though [13:17] <becky920> I wouldn't be surprised, Janie -- not at all! [13:17] <Spectre> They trust Hagrid [13:17] <Spectre> So it was fair. [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> its really not fair, but that's Hagrid for you [13:17] <Pleshette> Not cool [13:17] <bookworm1102> they trust hagrid they would never say no to him [13:17] <becky920> Definitely not fair, but I don't think either of them would have guessed what he had in mind [13:17] <bemused> No - but Hagrid wouldn't have the faintest idea of what the implications were [13:17] <Expelliarmas> Ohhh, the should know better than to agree to something for which they don't have enough info. Hagrid was unfair here [13:17] <SoonerGryffindor> there are some people in this world that you would do anything for [13:17] <Spectre> It's like Hermione's jinx on the parchments... [13:18] <MrMcGonagall> It's not fair to ask them something like that. Of course, Harry and Hermione were silly enough to agree, and they've known Hagrid long enough to be suspicious of the promises he asks them to make. [13:18] <Kneazly> People do that though--can you do me a favor? Sure, what? He's just taken it to an extreme as usual [13:18] <Poet> They also know that with Hagrid, he can sometimes get them involved with things a bit over their head [13:18] <Spectre> *parchment [13:18] <SueDNim> It wouldn't have been fair if anybody else had done it, but as Spectre says ... they trust Hagrid [13:18] <janieb> I love their friendship with Hagrid--this was another deepening of it [13:18] <Poet> But they really wanted to know what he was up to [13:18] <mdbennett> He really needed thier help...is that why he chose a time when Ron couldn't come? [13:18] <bookworm1102> but in a way they know hagrid so they sould have know whatever it was it would be dangerous [13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Hagrid chose a time he knew the Toad would not notice [13:18] <Pleshette> I don't think they ever dreamed that Hagrid would ask them to do something like this though [13:18] <becky920> I don't think he was slighting Ron, he just couldn't work out a destraction that got all three of them away from school without notice [13:18] <bemused> I don't think Hagrid notices Ron as much as Hermione and Harry [13:19] <Poet> He could never before since people would notice them gone. It was a long ways into the forest and Grawp makes noise usually when visited [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Hagrid does get them in hot water a lot, doesnt he? [13:19] <bookworm1102> i think it was the only time he couldnt get in trouble w/ umbridge since everyone was gone [13:19] <Pleshette> I agree becky [13:19] <Poet> Quidditch made a good cover - all the noise and everyone else distracted [13:19] <Pleshette> I also think this was a desperation move on Hagrid's part [13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> What are your thoughts on Harry and Hermione’s reactions once they realized exactly what their promise would mean? (Chamber 29) [13:20] <Expelliarmas> I would have been horrified as well! [13:20] <mdbennett> uhhhh.... [13:20] <bemused> Me too! [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> Hagrid's just asked the seemingly impossible. [13:20] <janieb> Their reactions were deep refelctions of each of them--including Ron the next day [13:20] <bookworm1102> they were kinda shocked but then again who wouldnt be [13:20] <SueDNim> I thought Hermione was a bit harsh. She wasn't as loyal to Hagrid as Harry was. [13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is a measure of their strength of character that they did not reverse their promise right then and there [13:20] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she ever has been, Sue. [13:20] <Expelliarmas> But I can picture Hermione trying to teach Grawp English [13:21] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [13:21] <bookworm1102> me too [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, I see Hermione as keeping her promised to Hagrid more than the boys do [13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> like in PoA [13:21] <bemused> Yes - Hermione would be determined to bring out the best in him [13:21] <SueDNim> You're right, MrM. Hermione and Ron might not have promised at all if not for Harry [13:21] <Pleshette> I disagree, I see Hermione as acting as almost a surrogate mother to Hagrid at times [13:21] <MrMcGonagall> "No Grawp. No dangling participles." [13:21] * Spectre been afk for some strawberries [13:21] <Expelliarmas> Oh, I think Hermione is very loyal to Hagrid, but she's not a fan of risking her limbs [13:21] <SueDNim> lo [13:21] <SueDNim> lol [13:21] <janieb> Interesting sue and Mr. Mc--I saw her as more dedicated during Buckbeak's trial [13:21] <becky920> I think she's more like his conscious -- Molly's more like his mother [13:22] <mdbennett> I like Harry's determination to keep his word. [13:22] <princessmela> Hermione loves Hagrid think about all the times she has gone out of her way to help him! [13:22] <Pleshette> like hagrid's mother becky? [13:22] <SueDNim> janie, very true. I'd forgotten that! Also she's determined to keep him from getting the sack [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> The Centaurs: Their loathing of all things wizarding/human is clearly apparent, and yet they seem to be “enlightened” beings of sorts. They seem to make sweeping judgments, and dispense with cruel vicious punishment....what is your take on their actions? How can such an enlightened, learned species act in this manner? (Chamber 007). [13:22] <Expelliarmas> Or helping Harry get rid of Norbert [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, me... not a big fan of the centaurs right now. [13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I am not a fan either [13:22] <princessmela> I mean she spent hours researching how to help Buckbeat from facing murder [13:22] <Pleshette> I agree princessmela. She was the one to comfort him, did all the research to help with Buckbeak [13:22] <Expelliarmas> I don't think they are as enlightened as they seem [13:22] <Spectre> They are racists [13:23] <SueDNim> yes, they are racists [13:23] <bemused> Their attitude to toher beings mirrors wizards' attitude to them [13:23] <mdbennett> They seem to see things as black and white [13:23] <Expelliarmas> It's a front, be a snob and people will ignore you're nastier tendencies [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> centaurs seem a lot like DE's in that aspect [13:23] <bookworm1102> i think that they migh think of themselves as a little superior to wizards and witches [13:23] <bemused> *other [13:23] <Poet> they look at the long term, so they don't see a lot of the wizards good accomplishments [13:23] <MrMcGonagall> Ruddy star-gazers. [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:23] <bookworm1102> you know because they think that they know everything [13:23] <janieb> lol [13:23] <SueDNim> Exactly, bemused. Which is hard to reconcile with their view of themselves as wise and enlightened [13:23] <bemused> On both dies, Sue [13:23] <bemused> *sides [13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> What about their actions towards Hagrid? Do they have a legitimate issue with him, or is this just the result of prejudices finally taking the forefront? (Chamber 007). [13:24] <princessmela> Centaurs definitely think they are superior [13:24] <becky920> They'd probably be friendlier if they'd been treated friendlier by wizards all along [13:24] <Poet> They get distracted by the humans cycle of wars and power-hungry leaders of vast countries [13:24] <bemused> I think they have a very legitimate issue in not liking having Grawp in the forest [13:24] <princessmela> They consider him human so yeah they probably have issues with him [13:24] <bemused> he is rather dangerous [13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont agree that they should say who can stay and who should go in the forest [13:24] <MrMcGonagall> The centaurs just seem like they're really down on all humans at the moment. [13:24] <Expelliarmas> The Centaurs think they own all the Forest, who died and made them kings of the forest [13:24] <Poet> They used to be friendly with him, so I imagine Grawp pushed them over the edge [13:24] <SueDNim> I suppose they have a right to be angry at Hagrid for interfering in their affairs and flaunting their traditions, but [13:24] <Pleshette> Yes and no I think. Hagrid really shouldn't have brought Grawp back, but their superior attitude about the forest belonging to them isn't right [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> LOL, expie. [13:25] <SueDNim> I think Hagrid's right too, when he says it's not their forest any more than it is anybody else's. [13:25] <bookworm1102> I guess it somthing like if he doesnt bother us we wont bother him [13:25] <Spectre> Hagrid is now a colleagoe of traitor Firenze... [13:25] <princessmela> but honestly they aren't the only ones we have heard hating wizards...according to Bill the goblins have issues with wizards as well [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, they have tolerated Aragog and his family. Why not Grawp? [13:25] <janieb> I think they really don't need humans for anything--soany human disdain for them is a GREAT affront [13:25] <Expelliarmas> I think they were already feeling harsh toward all things Hogwarts as Firenze left the herd to join them [13:25] <becky920> Maybe it's their reservation, like a native American reservation [13:25] <princessmela> Grawp is destructing the ambience [13:25] <MrMcGonagall> There are plenty of magical creatures that share the forest. [13:25] <Pleshette> Maybe they didn't tolerate Aragog Sooner, but instead feared him [13:25] <Poet> Of course the forest seems to be their one home. They don't venture into other parts of the wizard world, like Hogsmeade for instance [13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> according to Hagrid, the forest belongs to nobody [13:25] <bemused> it seems as though the war is dividing the different races [13:26] <princessmela> Aragog wasn't brought into the forrest [13:26] <SueDNim> Yes, Umbridge says it is their reservation, but it's also home to lots of other creatures [13:26] *** anguinea has quit [Bye] [13:26] <princessmela> Grawp was [13:26] <bemused> or deepening divides that already existed [13:26] <SueDNim> so they should all have equal rights in their own home [13:26] <Spectre> was it their first encounter with Grawp during the Umbridge accident, or there were other meetings? [13:26] <bookworm1102> i think that they dont like gwarp b/c he causes too much destruction and they fear for their ssfty to some extent [13:26] <Expelliarmas> Aragog was brought into the forest, he was not native to Britain [13:26] <Poet> It would be hard to concentrate on their style of divination with a massive giant making noise and eating things [13:26] <MrMcGonagall> Giant acromantulas are not native to Scotlnd. [13:26] <SueDNim> lol poet [13:26] <janieb> The centaurs next step was one of my biggest questions after [13:26] <janieb> DD's funeral [13:26] <Poet> Spiders aren't as noisy [13:26] <princessmela> Well.. [13:26] <Pleshette> Didn't Aragog escape into the forest because Hagrid brought him to Hogwarts from a distant land? [13:27] <Spectre> Centaurs also don't seem to be native to Scotland :D [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> random thought. I wonder how many centaurs survived? [13:27] <Expelliarmas> I think Hagrid released Aragog into the forest [13:27] <bemused> Perhaps Aragog didn't represent a danger to them [13:27] <princessmela> I don't remember the story of Aragog [13:27] <Expelliarmas> Aragog came in the pocket of a distant traveler [13:27] <bookworm1102> i think since aragog and his family kept to them selfs they didnt bother the centaurs [13:27] <SueDNim> Doesn't Aragog say that Hagrid found him his hiding-place in the forest and found him a mate? I don't remember clearly [13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> yep. Aragog ran into the forest when Tom Riddle tried to out him in the castle [13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> What are your personal thoughts on this chapter? Love it? Hate it? How does rereading it now compare to your feelings about it the first time you read it? (Chamber 29) [13:28] <princessmela> Oh! That's right [13:28] <Pleshette> I didn't hate it as much as I did in the past [13:28] <Poet> Always love it [13:28] <bemused> I could do without a lot of it.... [13:28] <princessmela> I think I hated it more honestly [13:28] <princessmela> lol [13:28] <bemused> an edited version would suit me [13:28] <Pleshette> Not a big Grawp fan, lol [13:28] <bookworm1102> i though it was ok [13:28] <MrMcGonagall> Me too, bemused. [13:29] <becky920> I came to appreciate it more [13:29] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [13:29] <bookworm1102> it wasnt my favorite [13:29] <Pleshette> But I love the end of the chapter when we hear Weasley is our King! [13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hated it [13:29] <princessmela> the end was great [13:29] <leakylurker> (peek [13:29] <SueDNim> It was one of my least favorite chapters, especially compared to 28 and 29 [13:29] <bemused> Oh yes, Pleshette [13:29] <Poet> It's a bit off the norm. It's fun to see new parts of the forest. [13:29] <janieb> I like Grawp now, but I still wish I had seen Ron do well in quidditch [13:29] <bookworm1102> me too pleshette [13:29] <SueDNim> yeah, the end was great [13:29] <mdbennett> hard at the beginning,but loved the end [13:30] <princessmela> I thought itwas hard to follow at times [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I just realized that we never get to see Ron play well, do we? [13:30] <princessmela> not really [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> that stinks [13:30] <SueDNim> what a shame [13:30] <bookworm1102> no i dont think so sooner [13:30] <janieb> naw, Sooner [13:30] <Pleshette> I know :( [13:30] <Spectre> in HBP, in the match with Zacharias' commentary [13:30] <Expelliarmas> I think Jo was getting tired of Quidditch by then [13:30] <mdbennett> and the Ealge hat [13:30] <mdbennett> Eagle [13:30] <SueDNim> She probably was. How many different ways can you write a Quidditch match, after all? [13:31] <Spectre> Sport is hard to describe in books... especially if there are many matches [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think Hagrid really brought Grawp back? Beyond the issues raised in question 1, what does this tell us about Hagrid’s character? (Chamber 007). [13:31] <janieb> *giggle* at Luna's wonderous hats! [13:31] <Poet> All the giants were killing each other [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> He has a longing for family. [13:31] <leakylurker> He is a sucker for the underdog [13:31] <Poet> It probably saved Grawp's life [13:31] <mdbennett> He really wants to have a connection with his family [13:31] <bemused> He has a craving for family and belonging [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> he is soft-hearted [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> True, Poet [13:31] <princessmela> maybe they will have an improtu Quidditch match at the wedding and we will see one more chance of Ron doing something good [13:31] <Spectre> Hagrid loves his half-brother [13:31] <SueDNim> Probably just because he's the only family Hagrid has, and that's tremendously important to Hagrid. [13:31] <Pleshette> I agree bemused [13:31] <SueDNim> and what leaky said [13:32] <princessmela> I think that Hagrid needed family he has yearned for it [13:32] <SueDNim> He's see Grawp as needing mothering, just like Norbert [13:32] <bookworm1102> that he wants to help the family he has left it kind shows that he is a true gryiffindor or hufflpuff :) [13:32] <janieb> He is so loving--his natural ability to connect was even stronger with his brother [13:32] <SueDNim> I love Hagrid. He's so terrifying to look at and so squishy and lovable at heart. [13:32] <leakylurker> I think he will always try to help the downtrodden, and add family to that it for Hagrid it was a no brainer to take Grawp. [13:32] <Spectre> Hagrid's power of love is second only to Harry's, I think [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> There comes a point when being loyal can cause serious detriment to the safety and well-being of one’s self and others....what do YOU think about Hagrid’s actions in regards to Grawp? Does he have the right to take him away? How was his behavior ethical? (Chamber 007). [13:33] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [13:33] <Puzzlepiece> hi all [13:33] <Spectre> hi Puzzle [13:33] <Pleshette> Hi Puzzlepiece! [13:33] <MrMcGonagall> Actually, I'm impressed at how well Hagrid was pulling it off. [13:33] <bookworm1102> i think it took alot of guts to take gwarp away [13:33] <princessmela> it was not ethical [13:33] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Hagrid had the right to kidnap his brother and bring him to the UK against his will [13:33] <bemused> It does seem to be going a bit far to take him against his will and keep him tied up [13:33] <mdbennett> I don't think it was safe for Harry or Hermione or himself [13:33] <becky920> I agree, Expie [13:33] <Pleshette> And as someone said earlier, it most likely saved Grawp's life [13:33] <janieb> He is DD's equal in seeing potential [13:33] <SueDNim> He has the right to protect his brother, but he didn't exactly take Grawp's wishes into account, nor the safety of the students and forest creatues [13:34] <Poet> And giants aren't supposed to be in the UK, I believe [13:34] <leakylurker> It seems like a terrible idea to me, but if Grawp saves us all in Book 7, maybe the ends will justify the means? [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> Do we know that he was kidnapped, though? [13:34] <bookworm1102> He was saving gwarps life though wasn't he? [13:34] <becky920> He may have saved Grawp's life, but it was Grawp's life to live [13:34] <Spectre> Hagrid as a new Headmaster, eh janieb? [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was ethical because if Hagrid had not done it, Grawp would have died [13:34] <Poet> He did seem to be dragged against his will [13:34] <MrMcGonagall> I'd have thought he'd be glad to get away from the giants. [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I am surprised there were any giants left in HBP [13:34] <princessmela> just because it saves your life doesn't mean its the right thing to do [13:34] <Poet> I would think so too MrMcGonagall [13:34] <Puzzlepiece> at least by the end of HBP he seems content [13:34] <princessmela> many people stay in situations that are dangerous to thier own selves but you have to let them be [13:35] <bemused> I suppose you could say that the fact that Grawp settled and started to learn made it OK, but consent would have been better [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> The difficulty, I think, is not that he was forcing Grawp to do something, but that Grawp is so uncontrollable that Hagrid is endangering others. [13:35] <bookworm1102> if he saved his life then I think it would be etichall and not really kidnapping [13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> If I saw an animal in the path of a fire, I would grab it out of the way whether it wanted to go with me or not. To me, this is a comparable situation [13:35] <janieb> He has the caring, Spectre! But I think he need the fresh air! [13:35] <princessmela> unless you can prove that he was mentally incompetent which I don't think you can [13:35] <Puzzlepiece> true Sooner [13:35] <Pleshette> I don't think it would have been right to watch him get killed by other giants, especially when it's family [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> I just don't see how Hagrid could force Grawp to do anything. [13:35] <bemused> No, Pleshette, that's true [13:35] <Spectre> He'll make his hut the new Headmaster's Office janieb :D [13:35] <leakylurker> good point MrM [13:35] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid definitely crossed the line with Grawp [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I just dont see how saving a life can be a bad thing [13:36] <SueDNim> It's quite possible that Grawp was in no position to know his own best interests, so Hagrid did what needed to be done. [13:36] <mdbennett> true but the responsiblity of teaching and training is a big one [13:36] <SueDNim> Grawp seems grateful in the end [13:36] <MrMcGonagall> It's the same reason cities have laws about dangerous, exotic animals as pets. [13:36] <Puzzlepiece> I think he didnt cross the line with Grawp, but rather crossed it when he asked Harry to look after it [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed puzzle [13:36] <SueDNim> I like Sooner's analogy about the forest fire [13:36] <Poet> I don't think we know how old Grawp is. Hagrid probably sees himself as Grawp's guardian now that their mother is dead [13:36] <leakylurker> yes puzzlepiece, it was irresponsible as a teacher especially [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks [13:36] <bookworm1102> agreed puzzlepiece [13:37] <Expelliarmas> I'm glad he saved Grawp's life, I just disagree with taking him to the UK [13:37] <bemused> Yes, Puzzle - he didn't seem to think about Harry and Hermione's safety - but then, he always does that [13:37] <bemused> or doesn't do it *cough* skrewts [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> if he had not taken him back, Expie Grawp would have been captured or something [13:37] <princessmela> yes puzzle...hermione and Harry looking after a dangerous beast. I don't care if he could eventually be tamed that is a hazard to students he suppossedly cared deeply about [13:37] <SueDNim> I don't think he's unconcerned for their safety, he just can't comprehend that Grawp could actually be dangerous, or the centaurs either. [13:37] <Puzzlepiece> lol bemused [13:37] <bookworm1102> wouldn't he have been killed sooner? [13:37] <MrMcGonagall> Hagrid perpetually underestimates the danger of those he has in his keeping. [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Hagrid just doesnt live in the same reality as the rest of us do [13:38] <mdbennett> amen [13:38] <Expelliarmas> that's how Hagrid rolls, MrM [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [13:38] <leakylurker> It helps me to remember that sometimes Hagrid seems to think iwth his heart and not with his head. A dangerous flaw [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> “It unscrews the other way.” What did you think of the behavior of McGonagall and the other teachers in actively working against the Toad? (Room 18–The Atrium) [13:38] <princessmela> How can you underestimate a 16 foot giant [13:38] <Pleshette> right SueDNim, like so many of the other creatures he doesn't view as dangerous [13:38] <princessmela> lol [13:38] <Expelliarmas> Oh McG gets a prize for that line! [13:38] <SueDNim> Is it a flaw? Or a strength? [13:38] <bemused> Wicked but wonderful! [13:38] <Puzzlepiece> I absolutely loved McG [13:38] <bookworm1102> i loved how she handled umbridge [13:38] <Pleshette> Love her! [13:38] <mdbennett> the house untie [13:38] * SueDNim cheers for MM! [13:38] <Puzzlepiece> that is my favourite chapter in all of the books [13:38] <Poet> Finally taking a leaf out of Fred and George's book [13:38] * SoonerGryffindor takes another moment to fangirl MM some more [13:38] <leakylurker> a flaw when you are in charge of children i think [13:38] <Spectre> They are... um... obedient [13:39] <mdbennett> the houses unite [13:39] <princessmela> They all hated the toad..even Snape wasn't pleased with her! [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> I think Umbridge's woes amply illustrate the nature of true authority. DD had it, Umbridge doesn't. [13:39] <Expelliarmas> The other teachers obey the rules to the extreme [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> It really says something when someone like MM is encouraging Peeves [13:39] <SueDNim> Yes, they do, don't they? Even Snape. [13:39] <bemused> She paid for it, of course, in the way Umbridge and co turned on her [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> Doesn't matter what it says on your nameplate. [13:39] <bookworm1102> aww Mcg is in reality a maurder :) [13:39] <Puzzlepiece> Flitwick isnt sure if he has the "authority" [13:39] <SueDNim> of course she is, bookworm *grins* [13:39] <leakylurker> how cute is flickwick? [13:39] <leakylurker> flit [13:39] <SueDNim> lol [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I see this as a classic case of civil disobedience [13:39] <mdbennett> yea bookworm [13:40] <bookworm1102> it also show that the teachers also hated her [13:40] <leakylurker> Yes sooner, not overstepping boundaries, just sitting back and letting things roll [13:40] <Spectre> Swishandflickwick lol :) [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> all of the faculty are gonig to do everything in their power to stand back and watch Umbridge fall on her rear [13:40] <bookworm1102> or at least hated whaat she did to the school [13:40] <janieb> lol, bookworm!! (Joins Spectre to fangirl McConagall) [13:40] <princessmela> Umbridge didn't even deserve it. Had she been a nice person from the MOM and a good teacher they might have been more polite [13:41] <SueDNim> They rebelled in the only way they could and remain professional. More power to them! [13:41] <bookworm1102> it also shows she been giving fred and george too many detentions b/c she actully learned somthing [13:41] <leakylurker> oh thanks guys [13:41] <Spectre> The backside of having TOO MUCH power [13:42] <janieb> May I punt you across the swamp, Headmistress? [13:42] <bemused> hello lurker.... [13:42] <Spectre> You eventually end up having to do all the smallest things yourself [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Why couldn’t the Toad reverse the Twins’ magic? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:42] <leakylurker> hi! Because they are brilliant [13:42] *** DorisTLC has joined #lounge [13:42] <Puzzlepiece> becasue the toad isnt great shakes at magic [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> Because she's incompetent. [13:42] <Puzzlepiece> and the twins are [13:42] <Expelliarmas> Because the Toad is inept [13:42] <SueDNim> exactly [13:42] <leakylurker> and because the Toad has short stubby fingers! [13:42] <Spectre> I'm not sure anyone could reverse the twins' magic from the first take [13:42] <bookworm1102> didnt the teachers do somthing to make it stick [13:43] <bemused> Because she's useless - her only magic seems to be mean stuff [13:43] <Spectre> not counting the swamp :D [13:43] <princessmela> I think she didn't read that chapter in her QuikSpell guidebook [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of last question: Why couldn’t the Toad reverse the Twins’ magic? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:43] <SueDNim> lol princess [13:43] <janieb> Have we seen her do any magic other than the evil quill? [13:43] <Kneazly> She's not a creative thinker; she can only follow the rules, and undoubtedly F and G put creative twists in. [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> just goes to show you how talented the twins and Flitwick really are [13:43] <leakylurker> i don't think so janieb [13:44] <DorisTLC> I think a lot of her bitterness comes from her inability to due magic - much like Filch [13:44] <Spectre> She tried to Stupefy the rockets, to no avail :) [13:44] <Pleshette> she was about to perform Crucio in a later chapter [13:44] <SueDNim> I don't think so, come to think of it, unless you count the stealth detecting charm on her office door [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she can do magic, but she really sucks at it [13:44] <bookworm1102> they wanted to make their mark on the school was perminent :) [13:44] <DorisTLC> Exactly sooner! [13:44] <Kneazly> I think she can do magic, but she isn't talented [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> She created the drinks when she tried to get Harry to drink veritaserum. [13:44] <Spectre> at least she knew how to say Stupefy and Crucio :D [13:44] <SueDNim> oh yeah! [13:44] <bookworm1102> true [13:44] <Pleshette> ah, true Mr.McG [13:44] <Expelliarmas> The Toad seems a borderline Squib [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [13:44] * SueDNim mutters evil b*censored* [13:44] <janieb> She probably has enough hatred, if not enough skill, Pleshette [13:44] <Puzzlepiece> the fireworks are the best - they multiply when vanished [13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe that's why she and Filch get along so well [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> I just think she's not ver adept at magic. [13:44] <Pleshette> Funny she couldn't recognize Filch for the squib he is [13:45] <bemused> but was that any more than brewing a cup of tea, Mr M (even I can do that!) [13:45] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! The transcript for this chat can be found later today in the Corner Booth Forum: http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. And don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/Topic-Poll-6-27-Wize-Wiz-t47169.html. [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Umbridge chooses to use other tools rather than magic. What's sad is that she is very good at using those [13:45] <becky920> I think it's more that the twins are just that good. Look at the shiner they gave Hermione in HBP [13:45] <Kneazly> I think she knew he was a squib, but lost track because she was overwrought [13:45] <MrMcGonagall> She can do some basic stuff OK, but not real problem-solving kind of spells. [13:45] <leakylurker> She seems to use magical devices more than spells [13:45] <becky920> It was designed to be next to impossible to remove [13:45] <Expelliarmas> Filch loves the Toad because it will give him nasty power through authority [13:45] <Spectre> Filch was just the only one actually *willing* to work with her [13:45] <Pleshette> The twins are brilliant [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did it take Harry so long to tell the other two about funding the Twins? What did you think of the reactions of Ron and Hermione? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:46] <bemused> She knew how to get Filch on side - and his meanness matches hers [13:46] <bookworm1102> it also shows that the twin were really powerful [13:46] <princessmela> The twins are definitely really good at Charms...and probably potions [13:46] <Spectre> and Herbology [13:46] <SueDNim> He was ashamed of it because he knew it would anger Molly [13:46] <becky920> I think he knew what Hermione' s reaction would be [13:46] <bookworm1102> he didn't want ron to think it was charity [13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he felt guitly, but I'm not entirely sure why [13:46] <bemused> I think he was worried about upsetting Molly [13:46] <Poet> For one thing, he did't want to make Ron feel bad again about having no money. 1000 galleons is a lot [13:46] <mdbennett> The twins told him not to right? [13:46] <leakylurker> Yes respect for Molly, and not wanting to show off in front of Ton [13:46] <Poet> Basically, right [13:46] <janieb> I think Harry picked the right time to tell Ron and Hermywobbles [13:46] <Spectre> Ron would be insulted [13:46] <SueDNim> That too, bookworm! Good point [13:47] <leakylurker> Ron sorry [13:47] <Kneazly> I think he was slightly embarassed--because he's already got money and the Weasleys dont [13:47] <Expelliarmas> I don't think the Twins said one way or the other, Harry decided to keep it quiet [13:47] <princessmela> At the time when it happened there was a lot going on in Harry's mindset as to how everyone would accept the money [13:47] <leakylurker> Hermywobbles! [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I really think he was scared of Molly [13:47] <bemused> that's true, Kneazly - it's always a sore point [13:47] <Poet> Also, what the twins planned to do with it was still in the works. He left it up to them to announce the shop. [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> I think Harry just never gave the money much thought. [13:47] <SueDNim> Hermywobbles... rofl! [13:47] <princessmela> The twins aren't going to boast Harry gave us money [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Harry told them to keep it quiet. [13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> but Harry should have realized that he can do no wrong in Molly's eyes. Truly he gets away with loads of stuff [13:47] <princessmela> I mean that would get Harry into trouble with their mom [13:48] <bookworm1102> i think the money was also a reminder of what happened to cedric [13:48] <Kneazly> And he knows he's going against Molly's wishes for the twins, and wouldn't want to upset her [13:48] <leakylurker> But harry doesn't take advantage of that sooner, he still respects her [13:48] <princessmela> Harry doesn't get away with all that much [13:48] <Spectre> Fred and George weren't around to be confronted by Ron and/or Hermione [13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> that is nice, isnt it Leaky? [13:48] <bemused> After all, Molly has been really good to him [13:48] <Poet> Too true Spectre [13:48] <leakylurker> love harry [13:48] <SueDNim> I think Harry is afraid of disappointing Molly because of the way she thinks of him as a son [13:48] <Pleshette> absolutely This post has been edited by Poet: Jun 16 2007, 03:03 PM |
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[13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> Any theories on why Peeves is still at Hogwarts - The nature of Poltergeists? (Room 62442–The Brain Room)
[13:48] <Kneazly> I agree Sue [13:49] <SueDNim> Echoing Lupin's unwillingness to risk alienating anybody who will befriend him [13:49] <Expelliarmas> there's a darned good question [13:49] <Puzzlepiece> Peeves is comic relief - we all need a little peeves in our hearts [13:49] <bemused> I think DD enjoys a bit of chaos [13:49] <Kneazly> Definitely the nature of poltergeists, all that adolescent energy to feed off ot [13:49] <Kneazly> of [13:49] <leakylurker> Jo said he is like Mold, he is never leaving [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I can't imagine a better place for him [13:49] <Expelliarmas> I've always wanted to know how Peeves ended up at Hogwarts [13:49] <Pleshette> I've read theories that he's useful as a spy for Dumbledore [13:49] <bookworm1102> think peeves is still around b/c he wants to be around you know never leave [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> Peeves would be really bored somewhere like the MoM [13:49] <DorisTLC> Don't poltergiest have to stay in the home they haunt [13:49] <Spectre> Do Poltergeists, like house elves, share loyalty with their house? [13:49] <princessmela> Probably not [13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a theory that Peeves was created from Hogwarts [13:49] <Puzzlepiece> probably, thats why he never leaves [13:49] <Poet> I have the feeling that he can't be expelled, however the MoM does have some power over "creatures" to tell them not to bug wizards in certain places [13:49] <SueDNim> I think that might be true, Doris. [13:49] <DorisTLC> I also think he has to have some inside information - from hanging around all of these years! [13:50] <Kneazly> I can't imagine how Umbridge and Filch thought they could get rid of him [13:50] <DorisTLC> Sooner interesting [13:50] <Expelliarmas> oh, I would love to have Peeves at the MoM [13:50] <Spectre> can a Poltergeist be killed? [13:50] <leakylurker> do we know the definition of a poltergiest? how is it different from a ghost? [13:50] <janieb> Interestig prepostion "from", sooner [13:50] <Poet> He's another defense of the castle ;) [13:50] <becky920> No, Spectre -- it can't be killed [13:50] <bookworm1102> could he have killed the bloody baron i mean that would explain why he was so afarid of him [13:50] <Kneazly> Poltergeists are meant to be energy rather than spirits, I think [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I think because Hogwarts houses a bunch of magic kids and all of their chaos, that he was sorta "created" from it [13:50] <becky920> It's an angry spirit that feeds of chaos and discord [13:50] <DorisTLC> A potergiest was never really alive [13:50] <princessmela> You might be able to perform an exorcism [13:50] <Spectre> Poltergeist is more corporeal than a ghost [13:50] <Pleshette> Isn't a kind of spirit force often associated with teenage energy? [13:50] <leakylurker> So it was never alive Becky? [13:50] <Expelliarmas> A poltergeist is not a ghost; it is a spirit of some sort. A ghost is an imprint of a person. [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> never alive [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, a Poltergeist can influence matter. [13:50] <DorisTLC> Good point princess [13:50] <becky920> Right, Leakylurker [13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Peeves has never been a human [13:51] <SueDNim> I think poltergeist in HP are slightly different than in our world ... doesn't the word translate from the German as "noisy ghost?" [13:51] <leakylurker> So then I like the Hogwarts created it theory! [13:51] <bemused> Aren't poltergeists normally associated with teenagers? [13:51] <Kneazly> I think you;re right Pleshette [13:51] <SueDNim> yes in HP they aren't exactly ghosts [13:51] <Puzzlepiece> technically, expie, its an imprint of a departed soul [13:51] <bemused> if so, hogwarts is perfect [13:51] <Pleshette> I think so bemused [13:51] <Expelliarmas> there you go, thanks puzzle [13:51] <becky920> Yes, bemused [13:51] <princessmela> I thought a poltergiest was a child ghost [13:51] <Poet> Hogwarts with its trick stairs and all... :) [13:51] <bemused> I'm rather surprised Peeves is the only one! [13:51] <Poet> Not in Jo's world they aren't [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> not according to Jo [13:51] <Spectre> what would happen to Peeves if Hogwarts gets closed? [13:51] <leakylurker> Well, he acts like a child princess [13:51] <becky920> Me too [13:51] <Puzzlepiece> no problem expie :P [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he might eventually fade away [13:52] <bookworm1102> i think he would stay at hogwarts if it closed [13:52] <becky920> He's probably find some wizarding family with teenagers to annoy somewhere else [13:52] <leakylurker> Gasp! [13:52] <Kneazly> Yes, Bemused, you'd think there'd be dozens at every wizarding boarding school--all that adolescent energy and agonizing [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think people like Fred and George help give him life [13:52] <SueDNim> He'd have to hang around Hogsmeade [13:52] <becky920> I don't think he could exist without people around to bother [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> Peeves would become like the Kreacher of Hogwarts. [13:52] <bemused> I doubt if he'd fade, Sooner - more likely go with a bang! [13:52] <Expelliarmas> If Hogwarts were closed, he would have to find some place else to be [13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> true bemused [13:52] <Puzzlepiece> Peeves is solid, which is interesting, since we see wadiwasi go up his nosey [13:53] <Expelliarmas> I hope if Hogwarts does close, he ends up with Scrimgeour [13:53] <Pleshette> I don't know if Peeves would continue to exist if something happened to Hogwarts [13:53] <leakylurker> There are plenty of teenagers at the Burrow [13:53] <bookworm1102> lol [13:53] <Spectre> Also Harry was able to Langlock him [13:53] <bemused> you think they deserve one another, Expie? [13:53] <Spectre> so he has a corporeal tongue :) [13:53] <bookworm1102> that would be funny if he ended up at the burrow [13:53] <becky920> I'd rather see him with Umbridge [13:53] <DorisTLC> Peeves with Percy- I'd love that [13:53] <SueDNim> If he had his druthers, he's probably haunt Umbridge [13:53] <leakylurker> He could befriend the ghoul in the atic [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry is hearing Hermione’s voice seeking to wake him from the dreams about the corridor. What do you think this is all about? How is Hermione influencing Harry’s dreams like this? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:53] <Spectre> Peeves in Azkaban... [13:53] <SueDNim> aw, becky you beat me to it :) [13:53] <becky920> Would serve the Ministry right for keeping her around [13:53] <becky920> lol [13:54] <becky920> She's not doing anything -- she's just his conscience, like Jiminy Cricket [13:54] <Kneazly> I thought that was great--Hermione as Harry's conscience [13:54] <bemused> Hermione does tend to act as the voice of conscience - reminding him about Occlumency and so on [13:54] <Kneazly> snap becky [13:54] <SueDNim> what becky said ... [13:54] <becky920> LOL [13:54] <leakylurker> Harry has always been the "other" voice in Harry's head. We have seem him wonder what Hermione would think of his actions before [13:54] <Pleshette> yep [13:54] <DorisTLC> Good point bemused [13:54] <Expelliarmas> Hermione is like Harry's conscience [13:54] <becky920> Where Ron is more like Harry's id [13:54] <janieb> Jiminy cricket--lol, Becky [13:54] <bookworm1102> maybe in the dreams she represents all the good [13:54] <Poet> Well Hermione IS the one whoe usually berates Harry about not studying and such [13:54] * Expelliarmas mutters about the lag [13:54] <SueDNim> or at least the voice of reason [13:54] <Puzzlepiece> Hermione makes him feel guilty [13:54] <Pleshette> The voice of reason [13:55] <bookworm1102> exactly [13:55] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [13:55] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [13:55] <SueDNim> Hermione is Harry and Ron's Lupin [13:55] <becky920> Just like Lupin was for the Marauders [13:55] <bookworm1102> agreed sue [13:55] <SueDNim> gmta [13:55] <Pleshette> good point [13:55] <becky920> snap sue [13:55] <becky920> LOL [13:55] <Poet> Yes, I see a lot of similarities there becky920 [13:55] *** lankan_warrior4 has joined #lounge [13:55] <janieb> But much more persistent Sue and Becky [13:55] <SueDNim> lol true [13:55] <Expelliarmas> hello, lankan [13:55] <becky920> Fortunately for them! [13:56] <leakylurker> Yes she seems more effective than Lupin [13:56] <bemused> Except Hermione doesn't hold back for fear of what the boys think, like Lupin did [13:56] <Spectre> A Sirious Lupin :D [13:56] <leakylurker> She cares less how they react [13:56] <bookworm1102> lol [13:56] <Expelliarmas> Hermione doesn't have the fear Lupin had [13:56] <SueDNim> Probably what Lupin thought he ought to have been but didn't want to be [13:56] <lankan_warrior4> hello, how exactly doees this chat work? this is my first time [13:56] <becky920> I think Lupin might have been bolder if he hadn't been "ill" [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> This is Harry’s second encounter in the Forbidden Forest with the Centaurs, they are none too kind in either instance. Why? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:56] <Poet> Of course Hermione doesn't have a furry problem holding her back [13:56] <bemused> No, that's true, Expie [13:56] <janieb> Hi furry little problem? [13:56] <Kneazly> Yes Bemused--yet that seems funny considering what happened re the Firebolt etc. [13:56] <Expelliarmas> well, lankan, the mods post a question, and we discuss it [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> That's how centaurs roll. [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> hello lankan. Right now we are talking about chapters 29 and 30 of OotP. I am asking discussion q's [13:56] <janieb> snap Poet [13:56] <becky920> Hi, lankan -- we're almost done but we're talking about Order of the Phoenix, chapter 30 [13:56] <lankan_warrior4> Oo. okay [13:57] <SueDNim> I think they're just too proud and haughty (and racist, as somebody said earlier) for their own good [13:57] <lankan_warrior4> thanks [13:57] <Spectre> Centaurs can't forget how Harry rode on Firenze's back :) [13:57] <bookworm1102> do they technacllly think he is not a kid anymore since they told him last time that they dont hurt children [13:57] <SueDNim> They don't forget and they don't forgive [13:57] <janieb> The only human they respect is DD [13:57] *** lankan_warrior4 has quit [Bye] [13:57] <becky920> Then again, aren't wizards (outside of Dumbledore and Hagrid) generally arrogant about creatures like the centaurs? [13:57] <bemused> They are probably well aware of who and what he is - beyond just being human - and they are very opposed to involving themselves in human affairs [13:57] <leakylurker> Well, Quirrel-mort and Grawp were in the forest at these respective times, I think they were annoyed with that to start with- put them in a bad mood [13:57] <Poet> They look down on wizards, and a young wizard certainly wouldn't be seen as someone to be respected [13:57] <Expelliarmas> Is anyone else having the screen go blank and then the text reappearing? [13:58] <leakylurker> No expie [13:58] <Spectre> I don't [13:58] <bookworm1102> no [13:58] <Kneazly> They keep themselves so separate, and they feel so superior--almost like an extension of the superiority wizards feel [13:58] <bemused> No Expie [13:58] <janieb> me too. Expie [13:58] <DorisTLC> No Expie - but I'll send a bug report to NickP about it [13:58] <Kneazly> No expie [13:58] <SueDNim> I think they feel about wizards the way purbloods feel about muggles and muggleborns [13:58] <janieb> but I'm at the public library [13:58] <Poet> Two minutes left! Be sure to join us tomorrow from 3-5pm EDT to discuss the Death Eaters chapter of harrypotterseven.com [13:59] <becky920> What we're not privy to is how wizardkind is treating them, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn it was akin to house elf, goblin and other creature treatment [13:59] <SueDNim> sorry about my spelling. I type faster than I proofread :) [13:59] <bookworm1102> bye guys talk to ya later [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Last question: What do you think of the Centaurs’ assertion that they don’t hurt the young nor the innocent? (Room 62442–The Brain Room) [13:59] <becky920> Great chat, guys! [13:59] *** princessmela has quit [Ping timeout] [13:59] <leakylurker> Nice to see you everyone, have a good weekend [13:59] <becky920> Well, they do have standards, I guess [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> Must be a centaur thing. [13:59] <bemused> I think they probably don't [13:59] <DorisTLC> I think it shows that the Centaurs honor innocence [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they decide who is young and innocent [13:59] <Poet> I hate to see what they do to the not-young and not-innocent [13:59] *** leakylurker has quit [Bye] [13:59] *** bookworm1102 left #lounge [] [13:59] <Expelliarmas> How do they know who is innocent? [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Poet [13:59] <janieb> I think it's another way they set themselves apart [13:59] <DorisTLC> Great Minds Sooner [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I think their criteria gets changed to suit their needs sometimes [14:00] <SueDNim> I think it's laudable, but I think they go against their own rule in OoTP [14:00] <bemused> by their standards, Expie! [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> lol DOris [14:00] <Kneazly> Them seem to equate young with innocent, so as long as you're under 17 you're innocent! [14:00] <Poet> (group hug) [14:00] <Pleshette> Great chat everyone, goodbye :) [14:00] <Spectre> It all depends on definition of terms "young" and "innocent" [14:00] <SueDNim> I imagine they assume any "child" as being de facto innocent [14:00] <janieb> at least they think they do, that is [14:00] <Poet> right SueDNim [14:00] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks everyone for the wonderful chat [14:00] <MrMcGonagall> Obviously centaurs do have some kind ofethical code. [14:00] *** becky920 left #lounge [] [14:00] <Puzzlepiece> sorry ive been in and out [14:00] * Poet passes out gift baskets at the door [14:00] <Expelliarmas> see y'all tomorrow [14:00] <bemused> Bye, everyone - thanks! [14:00] <Spectre> a good chat, as always :) [14:00] <Spectre> bye all [14:00] <SueDNim> Fun chat! [14:00] <DorisTLC> Thanks for letting us come - it was an awesome chat - and Expie I'll report that bug to NickP for you [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> everyone come join us tomorrow [14:01] *** bemused left #lounge [] [14:01] <janieb> thanks all for a great one--especially moderators. ( [14:01] <Poet> aww [14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks Doris. [14:01] *** SueDNim left #lounge [] [14:01] <Expelliarmas> thanks Doris [14:01] <DorisTLC> Bye everyone! Thanks [14:01] <Kneazly> Bye all, hoepfully see you tomorrow. Thanks mods [14:01] <Poet> cheers [14:01] *** Spectre has quit [Bye] [14:01] *** Kneazly left #lounge [] [14:01] <Poet> You all rock my socks [14:01] *** DorisTLC has quit [Bye] |
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