The Rufus Scrimgeour regime, Was Scrimgeour an improvement on Fudge? |
 Jun 28 2009, 06:27 AM
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Madame Pince's House Elf  Posts: 4,607 Joined: 5:46pm January 28, 2005 Location: In HP Book Club 4, awaiting the HBP film's release   |
THE RUFUS SCRIMGEOUR REGIME Over the series Fudge has been in control, changing from someone well disposed to Harry to the hostile prosecutor at Harry's trial who during the following year would rubber stamp Umbridge's many Educational Decrees. After Voldmort revealed himself in the Ministry of Magic, the Daily Prophet would suddenly change its tune and Fudge would be run out of offce. In the first chapter of HBP Fudge's position all along is made clear during a series of conversations remembered by the British Prime Minister. Fudge also introduces his successor, Rufus Scrimgeor. Do you consider that over the course of Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince, Rufus Scrimgeor is a more effective and understanding administrator of the Wizarding World than what Fudge was? Please let us know what you think. Why does Scrimgeor want to corner an unwilling Harry in conversations about what he could do for the Wizarding World? Do you think that Scrimgeor did enough to combat Voldemort? Or was his efforts mere window dressing as Harry seems to think? What else could Scrimgeor have done to protect the Wizarding World from Voldemort? Should Stan Shunpike have been put into Azkaban for boasting about his Death Eater connections? Should the scenes at the beginning of HBP, involving the British Prime Minister, Fudge and Scrimgeor, be shown in the film? --------------------  Check out the Beedle the Bard Book Club |
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Jul 5 2009, 07:22 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 202 Joined: 3:24am June 3, 2008 Location: Enjoying the latest HP book club |
Do you consider that over the course of Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince, Rufus Scrimgeor is a more effective and understanding administrator of the Wizarding World than what Fudge was? Please let us know what you think.
No, I don't think that Scrimgeour was a better Minister of Magic than Fudge. All he did better was acknowledge that Voldemort had arisen, but he didn't do much to fight Voldemort and increase security. Why does Scrimgeor want to corner an unwilling Harry in conversations about what he could do for the Wizarding World? I think Scrimgeour just sees Harry as someone he could use to make his job easier, and to find out what Dumbledore is up to. Do you think that Scrimgeor did enough to combat Voldemort? Or was his efforts mere window dressing as Harry seems to think? I think though that Scrimgeour could not do much more than he did given that Dumbledore and Harry did not see fit to co-operate with him. He could have checked out more thoroughly those he arrested for being in Azkaban Should Stan Shunpike have been put into Azkaban for boasting about his Death Eater connections? Yes he should have done. I don't think it made much difference that he was kept there, despite Harry's protests, as he ended up a Death Eater hanger on anyway, didn't he? Should the scenes at the beginning of HBP, involving the British Prime Minister, Fudge and Scrimgeor, be shown in the film? I'd be astonished if that chapter is shown at all in the Movie. I think all we'll see is newspaper announcements. |
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Jul 8 2009, 10:28 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 23 Joined: 6:21pm June 4, 2009 |
Rufus wasn't any better at his position than Fudge was. I think that what were forgetting is that Voldemort was more powerful with 10-20 death eaters than Fudge/Rufus was with the whole Ministry of Magic. They put him into office for one reason to raise security and awareness against Voldemort and his followers. Him, being an auror at the time made him look to be the fitting Minister office Fudge. We shouldn't forget that Harry asked Dumbledore this question o fis he better and Dumbledore only said he wouldn't underestimate Voldemort, where as Fudge didn't believe he was alive. However if he had of believed I'm sure he would of been the same way.
It didn't matter who was Minister Voldemort at the timing was winning and had already filtered the ministry so it didn't really matter, neither one actually told the public the complete truth to "protect them" I'll be back for more. -------------------- Words I live by:
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Jul 11 2009, 06:30 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 130 Joined: 11:58pm April 21, 2007 Location: Haunting werewolves |
I have to agree that Scrimgeor wasn't all that good as a Minister of Magic. The one thing he could have done better was do something about Dolores Umbridge, but I suppose he couldn't move against someone as powerful as Toadface. Especially since Fudge had a soft spot for her.
The trouble is with Scrimgeor, is that he, like Fudge, was a bit too mindful of what the Ministry would look like in the Daily Prophet. And the Ministry was rotten to the core, whichever political theorist you like to quote. Not only were there those employees like McNair, Avery and others, who were death eaters, but there were others like Umbridge whose ideas were in sympathy with Death Eaters, and there were others too scared to go against these powerful people. --------------------  |
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Jul 12 2009, 07:10 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 6 Joined: 10:48am July 11, 2009 |
I think Scrimgeour was a little bit better than Fudge. I mean Fudge couldn't even say let alone hear anyone else say Voldemort's name, not to mention that he was incapable of acknowledging he was back again. I think Scrimgeour is atleast someone that the magical commnuity can look at and try to feel someone strong is in charge. The ministry is so corrupt by now anyways that I don't think anyone really could have done that great of job. Even if somebody like Kingsley would have been made minister I still don't think things would have gone a whole lot better, he was a lot more useful in the order than he would have been as minister of magic.
Just my thoughts 
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Jul 16 2009, 05:56 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 6 Joined: 12:21pm March 27, 2009 |
I think Scrimgeour was better than Fudge in that Fudge only cared about his image and keeping himself in power. Scrimgeour had a bit more aggresion about him, but he still mostly cared about how he and the Ministry look. They're both burocrats. Fudge was weaker, but at least with him you knew what you got, a kiss ass coward. Scrimgeour looked fierce but he was slippery and quick to use Harry. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the Ministry was rotten to the core.
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 Jul 16 2009, 04:07 PM
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Neville's Biggest supporter Posts: 11,825 Joined: 8:51am January 28, 2006 Location: On V.S.D.G.  |
Scrimgeour, for me, was a lot better than Fudge. He had the air of authority, and gained more respect than Fudge. He did his best to try and make the Ministry support Dumbledore, but like Percy, the Minstery changed Scrimgeour
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Jul 18 2009, 10:20 PM
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Ollivander's Apprentice Posts: 1,994 Joined: 7:39pm March 11, 2007 Location: wandering in the Forbidden Forest, listening for the Phoenix song   |
I'm going to have to go along with JaneMarple9 here and say that Rufus Scrimgeour was loads better as MoM than Fudge. Scrimgeour was a former auror -- so at least he came into the job with a keen idea of exactly how difficult the task was that lay before him. Also, Scrimgeour was competent; that makes him very unlike Fudge! Scrimgeour was intelligent, insightful, and a leader. (Now, if we're talking ethics, Fudge and Scrimgeour are both a bit of a wash.
 ) Rufus strikes me as a man of decision and of action -- a concept with which "do nothing" Fudge was unfamiliar. And finally, Scrimgeour died without betraying Harry, which is something which I just can't see Cornelius Fudge being brave enough to do. This post has been edited by fidelia: Jul 20 2009, 08:46 AM -------------------- *thanks, twiddlethosedials, for the siggy* |
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Jul 28 2009, 03:12 PM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 56 Joined: 12:54pm November 15, 2007 |
I liked Scrimgeour, particuarly because he was tortured and eventually killed by the Death Eaters without giving away anything about Harry.
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Jul 29 2009, 04:16 AM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 77 Joined: 9:32am July 25, 2005 |
Don't just rank him on "image/courage" surely you should measure:
Time in charge Deaths on watch Public opinion In which case Fudge surely has a little going for him... ...OK, Scrimgeour gets most people's vote simply because of his final scene. -------------------- Arghhhhh Time Turners - I HATE THEM! WHY WOULD HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED NOT STEAL ONE/MAKE ONE?????
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