Scribbulus Chat, Oct 21, 2006 - Anguatlc's Essay, If the Author is Dead, Who is Updating Her Website |
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[18:56] Scribbulus chat on angua9's essay: If The Author Is Dead, Who’s Updating Her Website? [18:58] *** SeverineSnape has joined #lounge [18:59] <SeverineSnape> Hallekideehallo! [18:59] <Aislinn> erm, hi [18:59] *** madamnarcissamalfoy has joined #lounge [19:00] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:00] <Aislinn> hi madam [19:00] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hello, just wanted to say i love the potterCast filk ya'll did bout the corner booth [19:00] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [19:01] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hey, snapes evil! [19:01] <fawkes28> hi future! [19:01] <futureweasley> hello hello [19:01] <Aislinn> thanks smile [19:01] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:01] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i am writing a fanfic to put online soon [19:01] *** cairadawn has joined #lounge [19:01] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [19:01] <futureweasley> good! [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> gonna be a poem about ginny killing herself after harry dies [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> sry! [19:02] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol, its not what i hope happens, it just came to me! [19:02] <fawkes28> so how is everyone tonight? [19:02] *** AnguaTLC has joined #lounge [19:02] <Aislinn> Hi angua! [19:02] *** cairadawn left #lounge [] [19:02] <Poet> Hey [19:02] <AnguaTLC> Hi! smile [19:03] <fawkes28> hello [19:03] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I'm the chatting Queen! (just listened to pottercast 58 recently...im behind [19:03] <madamnarcissamalfoy> ) [19:04] <Aislinn> we'll give folks a few minutes to get here, and then we'll get started [19:04] <madamnarcissamalfoy> jeez, some of those songs were really good [19:04] * Poet looking forward to the chat [19:04] <fawkes28> sounds good, aislinn [19:04] <Aislinn> there are some talented people out there [19:04] <madamnarcissamalfoy> yep [19:04] <SeverineSnape> hi Susan! [19:04] <Poet> yes I agree [19:04] <AnguaTLC> Hi Nina! [19:05] <madamnarcissamalfoy> who has signed up for reading groups? [19:05] <madamnarcissamalfoy> what group are you in? [19:05] <AnguaTLC> I haven't. [19:05] <madamnarcissamalfoy> you should! [19:05] <AnguaTLC> What do the reading groups read? [19:05] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i dunno what im talking about, its my first time. [19:05] <madamnarcissamalfoy> book 4 [19:06] <Aislinn> its Goblet of Fire this time Susan [19:06] <AnguaTLC> I've read it! [19:06] <madamnarcissamalfoy> this time [19:06] <madamnarcissamalfoy> yeah, but its with a group finding theories, so its fun, i think smile [19:06] <Aislinn> lol - all of us have! [19:06] <Poet> I recently started listening to Goblet of Fire on audio book. I've listened to most of the others on audio book at least once - it's pretty fun. [19:06] <AnguaTLC> Isn't it weird to think that a year from now this could all be... over? [19:06] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Hey, i am in group... [19:07] <Aislinn> ooh, don't even go there tongue [19:07] <madamnarcissamalfoy> checking [19:07] <madamnarcissamalfoy> noooo! [19:07] <futureweasley> which group is that MNM? [19:08] <SeverineSnape> nah it won't be over for a while yet! [19:08] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Basement room 10! Yay [19:08] <madamnarcissamalfoy> dumbledores fave alley [19:08] <madamnarcissamalfoy> !!!! feel like sue right now [19:08] <madamnarcissamalfoy> how come my colr didnt come? [19:08] <Poet> Oooo - 10 pin bowling [19:08] <madamnarcissamalfoy> *color [19:08] <Aislinn> not sure [19:08] <futureweasley> because you started with !!! [19:09] <futureweasley> ! [19:09] <futureweasley> see [19:09] <madamnarcissamalfoy> ohhh, [19:09] <madamnarcissamalfoy> didnt know that did anything [19:09] <futureweasley> you learn something new everyday [19:09] <madamnarcissamalfoy> yay poet! [19:09] <fawkes28> that's true future [19:09] <AnguaTLC> I forgot to yesterday, though. Must learn two today. [19:09] <Poet> See, I just figured out where the #10 came from [19:09] <futureweasley> lol Angua [19:10] <madamnarcissamalfoy> are you guys doing the reading group thing, mods??? [19:10] <Aislinn> yes madam [19:10] <Poet> Sure, I'm in room 18 [19:10] <futureweasley> I was going to, but I'm not so sure anymore [19:10] * SeverineSnape is not! [19:10] <madamnarcissamalfoy> which is that poet and aislinn? [19:10] <futureweasley> lots to do in the Corner Booth...lots to do [19:10] <Poet> The atrium is the name of room 18 I believe [19:10] <SeverineSnape> same here, futureweasley! Too many other engagements [19:10] <madamnarcissamalfoy> cool [19:11] <AnguaTLC> SeverineSnape is a future bigamist. [19:11] <fawkes28> awe that's a shame, future [19:11] <Aislinn> I'm in room 007 [19:11] <SeverineSnape> tee-hee! [19:11] <futureweasley> it's a crying shame, Fawkes...really [19:11] <madamnarcissamalfoy> the avatar for the tearoom that (i think it was eeyore?) had was cool [19:11] <madamnarcissamalfoy> cool aislinn, whats the name? [19:11] * fawkes28 hugs future [19:12] <SeverineSnape> Bond, James bond [19:12] <futureweasley> Bond, James Bond...007 [19:12] <Aislinn> lol [19:12] <futureweasley> LOL Severine [19:12] <madamnarcissamalfoy> over excited about these things, arent i? [19:12] <SeverineSnape> hehehe [19:12] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol [19:12] <madamnarcissamalfoy> too young to understand, but hey, i know about james bond [19:12] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i think [19:12] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i dunno [19:13] * SeverineSnape raises an eyebrow [19:13] <madamnarcissamalfoy> not calling ya'll old or anything... just never seen it [19:13] <madamnarcissamalfoy> mom has box set [19:13] <madamnarcissamalfoy> is it better than, say mission impossible? [19:14] <futureweasley> how old are you madamnarcissa? [19:14] <SeverineSnape> Oh dear it is much better smile [19:14] <madamnarcissamalfoy> 14 [19:14] <futureweasley> everyone knows James Bond! [19:14] <madamnarcissamalfoy> really? [19:14] <futureweasley> ;-) [19:14] *** thecityneversleeps has joined #lounge [19:14] <futureweasley> aren't their video games about him? [19:14] <madamnarcissamalfoy> just heard jokes. mom loves it, she watches it 4 christmas [19:15] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hey, remember, have my tree up! [19:15] <futureweasley> I remember, all right! that's just nuts [19:15] <madamnarcissamalfoy> ugh, those people of mine are insane [19:15] <SeverineSnape> Ok, time to start, guys! [19:15] <SeverineSnape> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] *** thecityneversleeps has quit [Bye] [19:15] *** thecityneversleeps has joined #lounge [19:15] *** madamnarcissamalfoy left #lounge [] [19:15] <SeverineSnape> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:16] <SeverineSnape> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] <SeverineSnape> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <SeverineSnape> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <Aislinn> Today we are discussing Angua's essay: "If the Author is Dead, Who’s Updating Her Website? J.K. Rowling and the Battle for the Books." This chat will be of special interest to anyone who has ever created original creative works (stories, poems, songs, pieces of art) or had to analyze them. [19:16] <Aislinn> By "the author is dead," critics mean that authors shouldn't influence how we read and understand their books, and in terms of having anything useful or helpful to say about their own works, authors might as well be dead. [19:17] <Aislinn> To quote Angua: "Jo's popularity has given her many opportunities to influence how her work is viewed. She has refused to be “dead” and has staked her claim on her own works. We will have to wait and see whether and to what degree posterity accepts that claim as valid." [19:17] <Aislinn> What are some reasons and motivations for authors communicating with their readers and critics about about their works? [19:18] <AnguaTLC> Because sometimes authors make typos. Like typing the same thing twice! [19:18] <Poet> Because we sometimes get things wrong - who wouldn't want to set their audience straight wink [19:18] <Aislinn> LOL [19:18] <SeverineSnape> Hehehe [19:18] <SeverineSnape> I think many authors have specific ideas about their work and would like to communicate these to others [19:19] <Aislinn> I think that Jo has been having fun dropping hints for us, given that she is still not done with her tale [19:19] <Poet> As readers, we often beg our favorite authors to communicate with us. [19:19] <thecityneversleeps> I think that if I were in Jo's position, I'd want to have a tangible relationship with the people who are reading my work and have given me such supportive feedback. [19:19] <fawkes28> i think authors want to keep interest and keep up hype in their books especially when there is a lot of time between them [19:19] *** Dumbles4ever has joined #lounge [19:19] <Aislinn> hi dumbles [19:19] <Dumbles4ever> hello [19:19] <SeverineSnape> yes it is quite important because the story isn't finished yet [19:19] <Dumbles4ever> my first time in conerbooth [19:19] <Aislinn> welcome [19:19] <fawkes28> welcome! [19:19] <SeverineSnape> welcome!! [19:19] <Dumbles4ever> corner oops [19:19] <AnguaTLC> Welcome, Dumbles! [19:20] <thecityneversleeps> my first time too, Dumbles, so you're not alone! biggrin [19:20] <Aislinn> !halfop anguatlc [19:20] *** mode/#lounge [+h AnguaTLC] by Snuffles [19:20] *** Dumbles4ever has quit [Bye] [19:20] <SeverineSnape> Ah that was a brief visit [19:20] <AnguaTLC> I think that the fact that JKR's story isn't finished gives her a lot more "power" to be listened to than she would otherwise have. [19:20] <AnguaTLC> But even after Book 7, I think people will still be asking her questions. [19:20] <Aislinn> I think that's probably true angua [19:20] <fawkes28> especially because her books are so popular [19:21] <Aislinn> After a work is published, must the text alone speak for itself? Is the writer’s contribution frozen at the point of time? [19:21] <SeverineSnape> Not only that, but her backstory is so enormous, people will want to know everything [19:21] <Poet> I agree, as readers we are more motivated to listen to the author and she likewise has more reason to correct us along that path [19:21] <thecityneversleeps> I agree with that. She seems like she enjoys torturing us with her subtle hints and watching us try to find the answers. [19:21] <AnguaTLC> She has said a few times that she is looking forward to the "full and frank" discussions after the books are all out. [19:21] <AnguaTLC> Perhaps she's saving up some interesting things to say to us! [19:21] <fawkes28> i think we will always look forward to her input [19:22] <Aislinn> I can't wait to hear her speak once she doesn't have to worry about giving things away [19:22] <fawkes28> however, i think we may finally be able to rest and enjoy the book for what it is [19:22] <Poet> I think the writers contribution is not frozen at the time of publishing - at least not for the first year or so. Author's often do tours where they have a chance to respond to their public. [19:22] <AnguaTLC> I can't think of any other kind of communication where you get one chance, and then you have to shut up. [19:23] <Aislinn> good point, angua [19:23] <AnguaTLC> I mean, if you publish a scientific paper, you're *expected* to defend it. [19:23] <fawkes28> people will definitely want as many chances for her to speak as possible [19:23] <Poet> ah yes [19:23] <SeverineSnape> that is a good point, yeah [19:23] <AnguaTLC> Or if you're a politician making a speech or whatever. [19:23] <Aislinn> I also think that authors are in a bit of a unique situation now, with the internet [19:23] <SeverineSnape> Painters are always invited to explain their work, too [19:23] <Aislinn> it is much easier for them to communicate freely with their readers [19:24] <Poet> It's truly facinating to hear the creator's take on their own work - in my opinion [19:24] <AnguaTLC> Yes, we are truly part of some experimenting right now, with the internet. [19:24] <AnguaTLC> I suspect that other writers are taking note of what JKR does, and how it works out for her. [19:24] <Aislinn> Does the term "the author is dead' only apply to works of fiction? [19:24] <Poet> Feedback to all sorts of issues is at all time high. [19:24] *** Dumbles4ever has joined #lounge [19:25] <AnguaTLC> Yes, we're seeing it a lot on TV shows, as well. People are trying to find a balance. [19:25] <fawkes28> i think it can apply to nonfiction as well [19:25] <Poet> I can see how it might apply more to a work of fiction than a scientific paper for sure [19:25] <Dumbles4ever> Oops, sorry I'm getting used to the transition from Hpana to Leaky lounge [19:25] <fawkes28> like frank mccourt...many people continue hear his interpretation and input [19:25] <Aislinn> that's ok dumbles - this booth can be a bit finicky [19:26] <Poet> But yeah, you're right fawkes28, the public expects the author to be responsible for what they say [19:26] <Dumbles4ever> So is this where pottercast chats are, or is that in the chamber of chat? [19:26] <Poet> No matter if it is fiction or not [19:26] *** Dumbles4ever has quit [Bye] [19:26] <Aislinn> We are talking about an essay from Scribbulus tonight dumbles [19:26] <fawkes28> i think it is up to the author really [19:26] <Poet> Dumbles4ever - come on Monday afternoons for pottercast [19:27] <AnguaTLC> Yes, like giving Jo a chance to defend herself against charges that she's unfeminist, or whatever. It seems fair to let her respond to things like that. [19:27] <Poet> If people have the right to respond to an author's work, the author has a right to respond back - I like that idea - it's very clear. [19:27] <AnguaTLC> Or if people say she's promoting Satanism. It seems very unfair to expect her to just sit still and say "whatever the books say to you..." [19:27] <fawkes28> i like that thought, poet [19:28] <Aislinn> I agree angua [19:28] <fawkes28> right, angua, she needs to defend her thoughts sometimes [19:28] <Aislinn> especially when the accusation can in no way be supported books themselves [19:28] <thecityneversleeps> Yeah, the accusations that people have made about her promoting witchcraft and such is just ridiculous and she has the right as an author and a person to defend that. [19:28] <Aislinn> Do you agree or disagree with the statements by some critics that "The author’s intent is not privileged above other interpretations" and "The only intention of the author that counts is what is contained in the text, as understood by readers who interact with it. [19:29] <AnguaTLC> To me, that seems too cut and dried. [19:29] <fawkes28> i think i can see both sides here [19:29] <Aislinn> yes, to me it should be a more fluid, give and take [19:29] <AnguaTLC> I think sometimes it takes a long time for works to be "understood" by readers. In the meantime, authorial hints can help that along. [19:29] <Aislinn> as long as the author is alive [19:29] <fawkes28> however, with jo i want to know what she thinks [19:30] <SeverineSnape> It really depends on the kind of work we're talking about, too [19:30] <Poet> There is some truth of course that what the reader understands is very important [19:30] <AnguaTLC> Especially if the work is very revolutionary or novel (not saying Harry Potter is, but say, take James Joyce). [19:30] <Aislinn> that's true severine [19:30] <SeverineSnape> and what the author really means by releasing this work [19:30] <Poet> Just see how important it is to Jo that we interpret her correctly wink [19:30] <Aislinn> in this case, Jo has created a whole fantasy world, and learning more about that world is fascinating for the readers [19:30] <AnguaTLC> It seems to me that it is quite important to her. Perhaps because she sees "us" as primarily kids. [19:31] <SeverineSnape> Knowing what the author means by her work does not have to mean that your own interpretations are less valid if they ring true to you [19:31] <Poet> It's a cyclical relationship I think. She does her best to get her point across during the books and does clean up inbetween [19:31] <Aislinn> do you think she does, angua? [19:31] <AnguaTLC> It seems to me that she cares a lot, yeah. Like trying to protect us from getting too attached to Draco. [19:31] <Aislinn> No, I mean see us as primarily kids [19:32] <AnguaTLC> Oh, that... Well, maybe she loves her kid audience more. ;) [19:32] <Poet> I like that thought Aislinn. Jo's readers need time to learn about her world. Sometimes we guess wrong about that world [19:32] <Aislinn> lol, that's possible angua [19:32] <Aislinn> Jo's personal website opened in May of 2004. What are some different ways that Jo has used her website to communicate with the public? Is she just speaking to her dedicated fans or do you think she uses it to speak to other audiences as well? [19:33] <Poet> I see her debunking rumors that I didn't even know exists. I'm sure some of that is directed to the media as well as her fans. [19:33] <AnguaTLC> I agree, Poet. [19:33] <thecityneversleeps> I agree, as well. [19:33] <SeverineSnape> Oh anything that Jo say goes out to the whole world these days! [19:33] <fawkes28> yes, she saves us some time analyzing everything to death! [19:33] <Aislinn> it does seem to be picked up by the papers [19:33] <SeverineSnape> Look at her article on body image in young girls [19:33] <SeverineSnape> That travelled the world in no time [19:33] <Poet> She gives us chances to vote on questions we want to have answered, though it has been awhile since she's done a FAQ poll. [19:33] <AnguaTLC> And her thing with the Romanian orphans... that created real change. [19:34] <SeverineSnape> She knows she is influential, she knows she has a huge audience who will lap up her every word, and she handles it beautifully [19:34] <fawkes28> true, poet, she is given us some power in her world [19:34] <futureweasley> her Diaries are just great...I love that she updates to let us know what's going on in her life and with her work [19:34] <fawkes28> which is nice [19:34] <Poet> I like all the different sections of her website. Not only does she have news and rumors, but a trashbin with varying degrees of garbage. [19:34] <fawkes28> right, future, it feels like we are involved in her life [19:34] <Aislinn> yes, I think she is more and more savvy all the time about using her influence for good causes [19:34] <AnguaTLC> I think it's great that she wants to direct our speculations into fruitful paths. Perhaps I should feel patronised, but I don't. I'm grateful. [19:35] <Aislinn> It never feels patronizing to me [19:35] <Aislinn> Do you think that by Jo communicating with us, she is creating a rapport that makes us want to give her and her books the benefit of the doubt? [19:35] <AnguaTLC> I feel lucky to be a fan during this time when we can do that speculating. [19:35] <Aislinn> me too angua [19:35] <AnguaTLC> It works that way for me, Aislinn. [19:35] <SeverineSnape> Yes it is kind of nice that she prevents us from getting TOO disappointed if we find out our speculations were wrong [19:35] <futureweasley> on other author in the history of popular literature has made themselves as accessible to their fans...and I love that about Jo [19:35] <SeverineSnape> Absolutely! [19:35] <Poet> Jo's very smart I think to provide all sorts of info to us. It certainly has increased my love and respect for her. [19:35] <thecityneversleeps> oh, absolutely.. [19:36] <AnguaTLC> Like the thing about not seeing Thestrals until you've "processed" the death. When I first read the book, I thought that was a horrible flit. [19:36] <SeverineSnape> I agree, Poet! [19:36] <fawkes28> i think true fans will like her for whatever she writes even if it's not exactly what we had "guessed" [19:36] <AnguaTLC> FLINT. [19:36] <Aislinn> I think the example that you used of the Mark Evans bit was a perfect example of this, angua [19:36] <AnguaTLC> But after she explained it, I totally accepted it. [19:36] <futureweasley> yes, I think she is truly appreciative of her fans [19:36] <fawkes28> yes, it was [19:36] <fawkes28> she gives the feeling of warmth when she writes to us on her site [19:36] <thecityneversleeps> i think she can sympathize with us and the fact that she's capable of it makes us love her even more. just the fact that she knows how much we're all aching to know what the end will bring for all the characters. [19:36] <futureweasley> and, I appreciate that she gives what we get...like her knocking down the "Snape under the Invisibility Cloak" theory right away [19:36] <thecityneversleeps> which is why i think she hints so much. [19:36] <AnguaTLC> And she loves the characters as much as we do! It makes a bond. [19:37] <Aislinn> that is another good one - the inconsistency for the thestrals did leap out at first, but her explanation made it feel more acceptable [19:37] <futureweasley> she doesn't want her fans wasting their time [19:37] <Aislinn> absolutely! [19:37] <Poet> Also, the more she communicates with her the more we understand her. I think this helps us and directs us to more often "correctly" interpret her works. [19:37] <fawkes28> true, angua. she writes because she loves it [19:37] <AnguaTLC> I love that she doesn't put down her own works. [19:37] <fawkes28> and invests so much time in her writing and in her fans, how can we not love her? [19:37] <AnguaTLC> Or make us feel silly or childlike for liking them so much. Some authors do that. [19:37] <futureweasley> you're right Angua...I've never read that she has [19:38] <thecityneversleeps> she's put so much effort into this series that you can't not appreciate it. it's impossible. [19:38] <Aislinn> some authors do, yes [19:38] <Poet> I'd never thought of that Angua [19:38] <Aislinn> it is clear that she is as in love witih these characters as all of us are [19:38] <Aislinn> % Will Jo's communications with us outside of her books have a lasting effect on the interpretation of her works? [19:38] <fawkes28> definitely [19:38] <SeverineSnape> yes, she truly loves her own creation, and she is excited about us loving it too [19:39] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [19:39] <fawkes28> hi adam! [19:39] <SeverineSnape> Hi, adam! [19:39] <adamgryff> hi all [19:39] <futureweasley> hi Adam [19:39] <AnguaTLC> I can't help thinking they will, Aislinn. I mean, if "spin" doesn't work, why do politicians do so much of it? [19:39] <thecityneversleeps> she's spent - what? the last 16 years on this? her emotional attachment to all the characters must be above and beyond what we see. [19:39] <AnguaTLC> And advertisers! [19:39] <Aislinn> it does seem to be particularly effective in today's culture [19:39] <SeverineSnape> i think most of us will definitely remember this time as a very exciting time of discovery and interaction [19:40] <fawkes28> i think the lasting effect that jo will have is how much she cared about the series and how much dedication she had to it and to her fans [19:40] <Aislinn> and her words outside of the books are now out there, recorded for posterity [19:40] <fawkes28> and there will never be a time like it again [19:40] <thecityneversleeps> i agree with you on that, fawkes. [19:40] <AnguaTLC> Yes, and places like TLC and the Lexicon keep them easy to find. [19:40] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [19:40] <AnguaTLC> (as long as those websites last) [19:40] <fawkes28> you are right severine, we will always remember this time [19:40] <Aislinn> they do [19:40] <Aislinn> hi wagga smile [19:40] <fawkes28> hi wagga! [19:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi Aislinn smile [19:41] <thecityneversleeps> hola wagga [19:41] <Poet> Many of Jo's original fans will be her strongest supporters, no matter what the future critics might say, so for many years to come her interactions with us will have positive efeects [19:41] <adamgryff> agree poet [19:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> And Fawkes28 smile and everyone else too. Hello [19:41] <AnguaTLC> When people write about her books, they will know that we are a large part of the audience. [19:41] <Aislinn> Do you see Jo’s communications with her readers as part of an ongoing struggle for control over how the Harry Potter books are read and understood? And if so, in what ways? [19:41] <SeverineSnape> Kia-Ora Wagga! [19:42] <SeverineSnape> Not her interactions with the readers, no [19:42] <SeverineSnape> with crtitics maybe, but not her readers [19:42] <AnguaTLC> I would. Especially in the area of tone. [19:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Kia-ora the Maori greeting?:D Hi Severine! [19:42] <fawkes28> i think she has her own opinions and does want to be heard [19:42] <AnguaTLC> Like, I'd say that Jo entering her own online fandom has made it a less risque place. tongue [19:42] <fawkes28> especially when negative things are said about her books [19:43] <Aislinn> that's a good point angua [19:43] <AnguaTLC> She tends to emphasize the mysteries of the books and de-emphasize things like smutty fanfiction. [19:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think she can't walk away from the story because it isn't finished yet. She has to have control over the overarching story [19:43] <Aislinn> I probablly never would have found Leaky and gotten involved, if it hadn't been for her website [19:43] <Poet> I think when it comes to certain issues, she does use her communications for control - I think Angua mentioned when someone asked if Lily had ever been a Death Eater - [19:43] <futureweasley> it's much easier to face the devil you know...Jo knows her readers and understands what makes them happy or upset with the work [19:43] <futureweasley> me either, Aislinn [19:43] <AnguaTLC> And her website awards do that, Aislinn. She can make a site by mentioning it. [19:44] <AnguaTLC> I mean, make the site better known and more respected. [19:44] <fawkes28> i think she definitely wanted to heighten the "mystery" of her books [19:44] <Aislinn> I'm sure the ones mentioned see a huge jump in hits [19:44] <fawkes28> and we all fell for it! [19:44] <Poet> Too true. The spanish language site had a bit of trouble with crashing the first day it was highlighted by Jo. [19:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Also she can control what is being said. She has had tight security over books until they are released. And she needs that control to stick to her plan [19:44] <AnguaTLC> We did, fawkes! She leads us so easily when she tries. [19:44] <fawkes28> and we are glad she did smile [19:45] <AnguaTLC> She makes it fun. [19:45] <Poet> Interesting, so in some ways control is even more important to an author of a series. [19:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I wonder how far Jo has got with Bk 7 [19:45] <fawkes28> because we meet some awesome people who share our ideas [19:45] <Aislinn> If some critic's comments can be taken as more expert than others can the authors' own comments then be considered most expert? [19:45] <AnguaTLC> On some things, I think they can. Not on others. [19:45] <SeverineSnape> when it comes to canon facts, yes [19:45] <SeverineSnape> On interpretation not necessarily [19:46] <AnguaTLC> Definitely for the facts of the universe and for her intentions. [19:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I see Jo says she stops rumours going nowhere and are inaccurate. Eg Ron is Dumbledore [19:46] <Poet> Sure, as long as the reader still is still able to enjoy the books and find their own personal connection to it. [19:46] <Aislinn> which ones do you feel they can't angua? [19:46] <AnguaTLC> NOT for judging the quality of the work, or whether it succeeded in its aims. [19:46] <Poet> right, right [19:46] <Aislinn> I'd agree with that [19:46] <AnguaTLC> She couldn't be objective. But she can say better than anyone what she was trying to do. Mostly. [19:46] <fawkes28> i think she tries to share her thoughts but leaves a lot of room for our thoughts as well [19:46] <Poet> The author may have great intentions, but may not have done a successful job of getting those intentions across [19:47] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I'd say Jo the expert until she finishes book 7. She has already written the epilogue & needs to get to that point [19:47] <AnguaTLC> But I find that I want to know what she was trying to do even if she didn't necessarily succeed. It helps me understand the books better. [19:47] <fawkes28> what do you mean, angua? [19:48] <Poet> Me too. I'm always facinated to know what the author meant to say. I am equally facinated to hear what other critics or even other readers say a book meant to them [19:48] <AnguaTLC> Well, usually what writers are trying to do is all part of a big pattern. Let's say the author didn't succeed in one part of the pattern. [19:48] <AnguaTLC> But if you KNOW that was supposed to be there, then you can see the rest of the pattern that she did succeed at. [19:49] <fawkes28> oh ok [19:49] <fawkes28> thanks [19:49] <Aislinn> Is a writer’s intention irrelevant in interpreting her finished work? What about in understanding what she will write next (as in the case of unfinished series)? [19:49] <AnguaTLC> Or what if the pattern is subtle, but the author gives you a little hint and then it all falls into place? [19:50] <AnguaTLC> Like when I was in school, I would have understood Shakespeare a lot less well if there hadn't been a teacher or an introduction to give me some nudges. [19:50] <Aislinn> yes, angua - I find that aspect can increase the satisfaction regarding a theme nicely [19:50] <Poet> Yeah, like WaggaWaggaWerewolf mentioned, Jo's intent right now is very relevant. She can only tell us so much and we have to trust her somewhat. [19:50] <fawkes28> right and we do trust her because we feel close to her [19:50] <AnguaTLC> And there are some things that we really need to know. Like whether Pensieves are subjective or objective. [19:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But Shakespeare's language no longer what we speak. Of course we need interpretation. [19:51] <AnguaTLC> She thought she communicated that clearly, but apparently a lot of people didn't get it. [19:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> People have trouble with the time turners, for example. [19:51] <AnguaTLC> Well, true, WWW, but that's not the only thing that is clarified. [19:51] <Poet> Otherwise we can speculate in totally the wrong direction or let our imaginations run wild - not a bad thing, but we can be left unprepared for what happens in another book. [19:51] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [19:52] <AnguaTLC> It doesn't matter in the long run, but it matters to US. [19:52] <Aislinn> I think that's a good point poet [19:52] <fawkes28> yes, poet, and if our imaginations ran wild we would spend even more time on here [19:52] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [19:52] *** thecityneversleeps has quit [Bye] [19:52] <Poet> When there is just one book we are often too busy plowing ahead to sit down and think about something down the wrong path [19:52] <Aislinn> If people journey too far down a wild path, they could be disappointed when they find out how wrong they were, in the final book [19:52] <AnguaTLC> Like if I'm building all my hopes on the theme of House-elf liberation as the main point of the books, Book 7 could be harmed for me if it doesn't pursue that theme. [19:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes. But what is different about the HP series is sites like this one, and Internet [19:53] <fawkes28> right and disappointment leads to resentment [19:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> So you can share with others and find they get something different from the books [19:53] <Aislinn> Much of Jo's extra information to us has been kept track of on the Internet. Technology changes rather quickly. Do you think her extra info to us will be preserved and handed down to future generations? Will Jo's interviews and website entries be remembered and discussed by future generations? [19:53] <AnguaTLC> Yes, and that tends to lead to not-necessarily-fair criticism. [19:54] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> How do you mean? [19:54] <AnguaTLC> Only if it's memorable, Aislinn. If people quote it a lot like "light and bright and sparkling" then it'll be remembered. [19:54] <Poet> I think they will be discussed but no where as much as they are now. I assume a lot of website might fall by the way [19:54] <fawkes28> i would like to think that we are one of the forerunners experiencing this idea [19:54] <AnguaTLC> Yeah, Poet, I think most of her words will be forgotten but a few will be remembered. [19:54] <Aislinn> I would agree with that angua [19:54] <fawkes28> Tolkien didn't have the opportunity to go on the internet and post his thoughts to his fans [19:55] <Aislinn> not everything is a brilliant point [19:55] <AnguaTLC> But even if her words aren't remembered, the interpretations of the books that happen now will tend to persist. [19:55] <Aislinn> but I think that some items will be passed on [19:55] <Poet> For instance, now that Jo has tried stamping out the Hermione/Harry romantic future, I now longer find myself having to look up those old quotes of hers about that subject [19:55] <fawkes28> it is new and exciting because we are raising a new generation of children who grow up with technology and who are still enjoying books [19:55] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> There are other series I have enjoyed. Series of Unfortunate events. But there isn't websites like this over it. [19:56] <Aislinn> there are some out there wagga [19:56] <AnguaTLC> Fawkes, I love it because I get to TALK to authors now. Sometimes personally, and sometimes indirectly, like with JKR. [19:56] <AnguaTLC> I mean, doesn't it thrill you to know that JO COULD READ YOUR ESSAY? [19:56] <Aislinn> Orson Scott Card has a website that delves into his fantasies quite deeply [19:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> The children of the Red King? Stephen Donaldson? [19:56] <fawkes28> yes [19:56] <Aislinn> and George RR Martin [19:57] <fawkes28> that she goes on fansites [19:57] <Aislinn> and I imagine Jordan's Wheel of Time as well [19:57] <fawkes28> and just looks [19:57] <AnguaTLC> Meg Cabot, Lois Bujold, Terry Pratchett, Dave Barry... they interact with fans. [19:57] <Poet> And some things stored on Harry Potter websites will simply go away - people may no longer care about speculation on what will be in Book 5, or care to read esaay about who might die [19:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It was a thrill when JKR acknowledged that Mugglenet opinion piece someone wrote about Dudley being fat. [19:57] <AnguaTLC> Right. A lot of that will be obsolete. [19:58] <AnguaTLC> And sometimes she mentions our NAMES! It's like being famous. [19:58] <Aislinn> it is smile [19:58] <fawkes28> that's why now is the time to seize the day and enjoy this opportunity before the 7th book [19:58] <AnguaTLC> Or, like in the case of Melissa and Emerson, she knows us. And we know them! [19:58] <SeverineSnape> I am afraid I have to leave guys, sorry! [19:58] <Aislinn> bye severine [19:58] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes. But JKR quiet these days. [19:59] <fawkes28> lol angua - it's like 6 degrees of separation [19:59] <Aislinn> Do you think the world at large is constantly demanding that Jo give out more information about her books? What are some examples of this? [19:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Bye Severine [19:59] <fawkes28> bye severine [19:59] *** SeverineSnape has quit [Bye] [19:59] <AnguaTLC> Bye Nina! [19:59] <AnguaTLC> Well, mostly we want a title and a release date! [19:59] <Aislinn> I'm not in a big hurry for a release date smile [19:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes they do. There was a rumour about a contract with a Disney theme park which has been denied [19:59] <fawkes28> me either [20:00] <Poet> Jo must get pounds of fan mail. The fact that she had to create such a cool website with so many sections shows the diverse amounts of attention she gets [20:00] <AnguaTLC> Actually, I think that we don't clamor as much as we used to, because we wait for her to give us info on her website. [20:00] <Aislinn> right - we have come to expect it [20:00] <fawkes28> oh yes but the media aren't necessarily fans which is why it's important for jo to have a site to squash any wild rumors [20:00] *** Punky has joined #lounge [20:00] <Aislinn> hi punky [20:00] <AnguaTLC> Before, we had to depend on either someone interviewing her, or else hope to have a letter answered. [20:00] <Punky> Hey Aislinn [20:00] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> At the moment all I want to know is when [20:00] <fawkes28> hi punky [20:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi punky. [20:01] <Aislinn> Of course it's up to Jo what kinds of info she gives us. How would your experience as a fan be different if Jo had refused to say anything about what would happen in future books? [20:01] <Poet> Hmm. Oh yes. Though there are new fans all the time that aren't as aware of all of the resources Jo has provided for us. Thankfully other fans are pretty nice about pointing them [20:01] <AnguaTLC> That's a very interesting question, Aislinn! [20:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Maybe we'd be put off the books a bit. [20:02] <Poet> I may have never found the online community. I became interested in discussing the books because I could tell there was indeed a mystery to be answered [20:02] <AnguaTLC> I think that if we didn't have any of the stuff Jo gives us, we'd think about the books a little less between books. Because there would be nothing to do. [20:02] <Aislinn> I think that hearing from her has definitely increased my enjoyment of and involvement with the books [20:02] <Poet> We ban with others to share the info she gives us [20:03] <Aislinn> right angua - I'd read it and then move on to other things [20:03] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> ban? banned books? laugh [20:03] <AnguaTLC> Something like the Black family tree gave me hours of pleasure, analyzing it and discussing it. [20:03] <Aislinn> How come Jo doesn't limit herself to answering questions about her writing process, her favorite authors, what it's like to be famous, etc? Can she simply not resist us? [20:03] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It shed light on the subject, yes [20:03] <fawkes28> she likes to tease [20:03] <Poet> We are so so insistent! [20:03] <AnguaTLC> I think she wants to influence our readings and interpretations. [20:04] <fawkes28> and likes to keep us guessing and second guessing ourselves [20:04] <AnguaTLC> I think she wants us to wonder about the questions that are likely to pay off. [20:04] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think she is a secret perfectionist/Ravenclaw person [20:04] <fawkes28> like the invisibility cloak [20:04] <Poet> We hypothesize and she corrects us and we hypothesize more..... [20:04] <Punky> she almost forces us to ask these questions [20:04] <Aislinn> its interesting the way she tells us that certain questions are highly significant [20:04] <AnguaTLC> Like "is Snape evil?" and NOT "is Snape a vampire?" [20:04] <AnguaTLC> I think it really shows that she was once a teacher. [20:04] <AnguaTLC> She doesn't tell us things, but she helps us figure it out. [20:05] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Now scientists have actually invented something like an invisibility cloak [20:05] <Aislinn> I think that's an excellent point, angua - it is like she is teaching us all [20:05] <Aislinn> kind of a Socratic method [20:05] <fawkes28> she is a great teacher [20:05] <AnguaTLC> Yes! She often answers a question with a question. [20:05] <Aislinn> Are you more likely to stay a fan of a certain author, if you feel they are listening to and interacting with you as an audience of readers? [20:06] <AnguaTLC> I have to say yes. I get pleasure out of their non-book communications as well as their book communications. [20:06] <Aislinn> I'd say yes too [20:06] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes. especially if not bigheaded about it. One author came to my daughter's school to give a talk, but seemed a bit up himself, so I wasn't all that impressed by him [20:06] <AnguaTLC> It makes my whole concept of them as a source of pleasure and entertainment stronger. [20:06] <Poet> Definitely. I almost feel a duty to them. If I like their work then it becomes personal because they've given themself personally to their fans. [20:06] <Aislinn> I definitely feel more invested in the story - almost as if we're a part of it [20:07] <fawkes28> not necessarily because many books i just read once [20:07] <AnguaTLC> Yeah, I have had the experience of meeting a favorite writer and not liking him, too. But still, I felt I knew him better after that. [20:07] <fawkes28> but if i really enjoy a book or series i would like to see how the author interacts with his/her fans [20:07] <Poet> There you go Aislinn - that's the word I was thinking of ... I'm invested in the story [20:07] <Aislinn> and did it help you understand his books better too angua? [20:08] <fawkes28> i enjoyed the way john irving interacted with us, his audience in NYC and that made me start reading his book [20:08] <Aislinn> he was quite engaging fawkes [20:08] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [20:08] <AnguaTLC> Usually, though, if I like their fiction I'll also like their blog, interviews, letters, whatever. [20:08] <fawkes28> hi stewie [20:08] <Aislinn> hi stewie [20:08] <Poet> Fawkes - I felt the same way. I thought he was a fairly humble down to earth kind of guy [20:08] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I liked Stephen King, too, much better than I thought I would. [20:08] <fawkes28> it made me wonder what else he had to say [20:08] * Poet nods [20:09] *** stewiegryf has quit [Bye] [20:09] <fawkes28> he intrigued me is the best way to say it [20:09] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [20:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi stewie [20:09] <stewiegryf> hi all! [20:09] <Poet> I'd never thought of reading Stephen King, but I might some day [20:09] <Poet> hi! [20:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I have. He wrote something about a wendigo didn't he? [20:09] <Aislinn> he was much funnier than I thought he would be, given his genre [20:09] <Aislinn> How have you felt when Jo has outright dashed your dreams for certain events happening in the books, such as Draco and Hermione getting together? Do you feel like Jo dictates to her audiences who they should and shouldn't like in her books? Have you ever wished Jo had let you go on blissfully unaware with a certain theory? [20:10] <AnguaTLC> I certainly haven't. If I'm going to be disappointed, I'd rather know sooner. But I usually like where she's going, anyway. [20:10] <fawkes28> no i accept whatever she says because it is really her story and i respect that [20:11] <Punky> I agree I htink the places she's taken the story have been perfect and well thought out [20:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Well no. I never could understand why anyone would ever think Hermione and Draco would get together. He was much too nasty to her for that. [20:11] <Aislinn> Its hard for me to answer, as I also am pleased with the directions she is going in. [20:11] <stewiegryf> Jo's never outright dashed my dreams...sometimes she shoots down a theory I had, but I've never been too attached to anything she's shot down [20:11] <AnguaTLC> I see a difference between her saying that she likes a character and intends for them to be a nice person and saying *I* have to like them. [20:11] <Poet> If Jo were to tell us tomorrow that Snape is evil and we should stop hoping he'll turn out to be on Harry's side...I'd probably be a little annoyed and wished she'd held back [20:11] <fawkes28> very true, poet smile [20:11] <Punky> I agree Poet! [20:11] <fawkes28> i think she is a good judge of what she can say and what she should hold back on [20:12] <Aislinn> When you find out that an author or other artist had a different meaning for their work than what you interpreted, how does it change your enjoyment of that work? [20:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But so far she hasn't. All she has mentioned was a redemptive pattern [20:12] <AnguaTLC> Sometimes I think she makes faux pas, though. [20:12] <Aislinn> like what, angua? [20:12] <AnguaTLC> Like when she said to Melissa "you're a woman, you know..." [20:12] *** Madsdagirl has joined #lounge [20:12] <fawkes28> hi mads! [20:12] <Aislinn> hi mads [20:12] <Madsdagirl> Hi everyone! [20:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi Madsda! smile [20:12] <AnguaTLC> That was about Lily really liking James. It comes across as rather, well, sexist. [20:13] *** Morgan_Noxwell has joined #lounge [20:13] <Aislinn> it did a bit, yes [20:13] <Aislinn> hi morgan [20:13] <Morgan_Noxwell> hello [20:13] <AnguaTLC> Hi Madsdagirl, Morgan! [20:13] <fawkes28> her comments can show that she is human too [20:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi morgan [20:13] <Morgan_Noxwell> hello [20:14] <fawkes28> because we do put her up on a pedestal and we sometimes forget she is only human [20:14] <Morgan_Noxwell> JKR [20:14] <AnguaTLC> Yes, it would be astonishing if she never said anything awkward, considering how much she does say, and that she's a writer, not a public relations herspon. [20:14] <AnguaTLC> person, I mean. [20:14] <Poet> It's always nice positive reinforcement when my thoughts about a book's meanings are confirmed by the author, but I don't necessarily mind when they are different [20:14] <Madsdagirl> I agree [20:14] <AnguaTLC> Yeah, Poet, I think it's kind of cool both ways. [20:14] <Morgan_Noxwell> it must be so strenuous on the mind to have so much detail of a story and fictional life to remember everything [20:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> My theory in Scribbulus anyway. [20:14] <Aislinn> I try not to imagine too deeply what will happen in the next book, as I don't want to be disappointed by getting too invested in a theory [20:15] <Poet> In fact it's suprising and refreshing when I learn that I'd come away with a different idea than the author [20:15] <fawkes28> because a person can't possibly think exactly the same way as jo on every topic in her book [20:15] <Poet> Too too trued smile [20:15] <Madsdagirl> I also like to be surprised by what happens [20:15] <AnguaTLC> And then you have TWO ideas -- your own and hers. [20:15] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It is what you get out of a book [20:15] <Aislinn> right [20:15] <fawkes28> true [20:15] <Aislinn> Do you enjoy a piece of fiction more when there is a possibility of multiple meanings at once? Why or why not? [20:16] <Morgan_Noxwell> It really depends on the possibilities [20:16] <AnguaTLC> Certain kinds of multiple meanings, yes. And I think Harry Potter has a surprising amount of those. [20:16] <Poet> I like a good mystery, so when there are layers to a story and different levels on which to enjoy it - these are my favorite types of work [20:16] <Morgan_Noxwell> like snape [20:16] <fawkes28> i think i do sometimes because then i want to read it again [20:16] <stewiegryf> Yes and no. Sometimes its nice having a definite meaning, but other times its nice to really have to figure things out and talk it out with friends [20:16] <Morgan_Noxwell> in HBP - his actions at the end... what did it all mean? is he good or evil [20:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> There are children's books I read years ago which I will never reread. I prefer those who still seem meaningful when I read them as an adult. [20:17] <Poet> Multiple meanings certainly allow for a wider range of appeal I think - to a larger audience [20:17] <Aislinn> Doris on the Lounge talks about an "onion" book - one with many layers to uncover. I find this aspect of a book quite fascinating [20:17] <stewiegryf> definitely poet [20:17] <Morgan_Noxwell> it's given us so much wonderful debate. [20:17] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think the HP books are definitely like onions... [20:17] <Morgan_Noxwell> each re-read exposes more [20:17] * Poet is feeling hungry [20:17] <Morgan_Noxwell> lol [20:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Do you mean many layered the way I just said, or in a different sense? [20:18] <Morgan_Noxwell> many layers to uncover [20:18] <fawkes28> i think every time i reread i discover something i never noticed before [20:18] <Morgan_Noxwell> exactly [20:18] <fawkes28> which is why i keep rereading [20:18] <Morgan_Noxwell> I don't think JKR meant that to happen...only as she continues the series... she exposes more information that connects the dots but also increases our questions [20:18] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sometimes something happens and you think: O that happened in the book too? [20:19] <Morgan_Noxwell> can you rephrase that [20:19] <Poet> Of course the downside to many layers is that sometimes there is a divide in the readers - the very intellectual readers looking down on those who are interested in the simpler themes of a book [20:19] <Aislinn> You mean you relate it to real life issues, wagga? [20:19] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> yes [20:19] <Morgan_Noxwell> hmmm yes. I usually read a book just for "fun"... I don't choose to analyze [20:20] <Punky> there is definatly a lot to be said for simplicity too [20:20] <Morgan_Noxwell> but HP I definitely do b/c it's so close to my heart [20:20] <AnguaTLC> Like are the twins bullies or nice boys? I think they're both. [20:20] <AnguaTLC> Yes, Aislinn! [20:20] <Morgan_Noxwell> but when have they been bullies? [20:20] <fawkes28> true, punky [20:20] <Morgan_Noxwell> smile [20:20] <AnguaTLC> Well, to Montague, for instance. [20:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah the cabinet [20:21] <Aislinn> yes, the complexity and 3 dimensional nature of the characters, like the twins, make the books fascinating [20:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Montague a bully, himself [20:21] <AnguaTLC> Yes, he was trying to take points from them, but they nearly killed him. [20:21] <stewiegryf> And at the first DA meeting. [20:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> I almost wonder if that happened b/c JKR was placing a clue to future stories (aka HBP) [20:21] <AnguaTLC> I love the moral ambiguity thingies. [20:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> and wanted to throw that in there. [20:21] <fawkes28> very nicely said, aislinn [20:21] <Aislinn> I love moral ambiguity thingies tongue [20:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> the plot line is thick with them [20:22] <Poet> I agree Aislinn. It helps us better understand (gulp) that sometimes there is a thin line between good and evil - the intent, which is not always clear [20:22] <AnguaTLC> I love things like Ron confiscating the Fanged Frisbee and then keeping it. Jo is NOT writing perfect goody-goodies. [20:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> conflicting choices. We had to do something like that when teacher training [20:22] <AnguaTLC> (and I love that Hermione didn't let him) [20:22] <Aislinn> lol - Hermione is such a Mom [20:22] <fawkes28> oh yes, poet, a very fine line [20:22] <Morgan_Noxwell> well...isn't that a major thing with the books that ppl complain about? HP gets away with so much - how is that a good role model for other children? [20:23] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I like her use of metaphor. Blast ended skrewts such an appropriate metaphor for teenagers. ;) [20:23] <Morgan_Noxwell> it's the other things he does that show how good HP is. [20:23] <AnguaTLC> Yeah, they complain because they're not perfect little princes and princesses. [20:23] <AnguaTLC> But we wouldn't love the books so much if they were! [20:23] <Aislinn> exactly [20:23] <stewiegryf> It gives the books a better sense of reality [20:23] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> They won't go to bed, they don't like what they get to eat, they play up and go off in sparks [20:24] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think the contrast between minor conflicts (aka with Malfoy) showing the trio as basic teenagers is a great comparison to his defeat again evil [20:24] <Poet> So when we or when critics ignore the other meanings in a book, they and we can be led astray to come up with a wrong view of what Jo is portraying [20:24] <Morgan_Noxwell> LV [20:24] <Aislinn> and if they were perfect little princes and princesses, then they would just be cardboard cut-outs, not interesting or believable [20:24] <AnguaTLC> And sometimes their bad behavior works out for the best, and sometimes it backfires. Like Montague! [20:24] <Madsdagirl> sorry guys gotta go [20:24] <Madsdagirl> xxx [20:24] <fawkes28> right especially if they didnt so their feelings [20:24] <Madsdagirl> have a great chat [20:24] <Poet> bye [20:24] *** Madsdagirl has quit [Bye] [20:24] <AnguaTLC> bye! [20:24] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That was JKR's point about Famous Five for example. [20:24] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Bye Madsdagirl. [20:25] <Morgan_Noxwell> the stories are just so rich - any one who complains about them w/o having read them is just ignorant [20:25] <Aislinn> How has Jo's relationship with her readers changed or improved over the years? How much has her website helped this relationship? [20:26] <fawkes28> i think the website had a big role to play [20:26] <fawkes28> it made her more human [20:26] <Morgan_Noxwell> oh my! I think her success with the readers has increased her website tremendously! [20:26] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes indeed. [20:26] <fawkes28> like she was one of us [20:26] <AnguaTLC> I think it has improved, at least with her online fans. As she's gotten to know us. [20:26] <stewiegryf> The website is vital in this relationship. Pretty much everything she puts on there is read and reread by the fans. [20:26] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [20:26] <AnguaTLC> But it's important that she reads us too! [20:26] <Aislinn> hi expie [20:26] <Poet> I think it makes it easier for us to accept the info she passes to us - like corrections or explanations [20:26] <Morgan_Noxwell> you can tell she pays attention - when correcting HORCRI to NAQ and answers to the conundrums.... [20:26] <fawkes28> hi expie [20:27] <AnguaTLC> I love that she said "type neatly, I'll be watching!" [20:27] <Expelliarmas> Sorry to be so late [20:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> that's fine! [20:27] <Punky> I always thought that was neat, she reads our boards as well [20:27] <fawkes28> it keeps us on our toes, angua [20:27] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> hi expelliarmus. [20:27] <Aislinn> How much of the Jo/reader-relationship improvements may be because of Jo's continually expanding amounts of experience in answering our questions? How much do you think is simply due to not having to hold back as much info? [20:27] <stewiegryf> hey expelliarmus! [20:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> you can tell she cares about what's going on in the fandom [20:27] <AnguaTLC> Another good question! [20:27] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That too. Much of the series already written. [20:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> definitely in the past few years since book 4's release she's been able to answer MORE. [20:28] <AnguaTLC> But she might have just as much to hold back now, because there's such a bigger danger of us guessing the ending. [20:28] <fawkes28> i think jo feels a little relief with each book that comes out because it is less information she has to hold in [20:28] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> What about the controversies she's been in? Like getting her books banned? [20:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> but with the finality of the book approaching she may find it difficult to hold back so much vital info. [20:28] <Aislinn> I think that's true angua [20:28] <Poet> Jo does a much better job of answering our questions. I like how Angua pointed out that Jo now realizes that when she answers that all of her fans (not just ones present) will hear [20:28] <stewiegryf> I think a lot of it is not having to hold back so much info. If we asked her loads of questions after book one, she wouldn't have been able to be so free with her answers [20:28] <Expelliarmas> she's been careful the whole way through and will continue to be careful until 7 is out [20:28] <AnguaTLC> And she's been rather quiet lately, actually. [20:28] <Aislinn> she seemed to really hold back in NYC - she has seemed more forthcoming in earlier interviews [20:29] <AnguaTLC> I wonder if part of the reason for the WOMBATS might be to keep us busy in a different way, other than telling us things. [20:29] <Morgan_Noxwell> compare her responses when the series was not that popular [20:29] <Morgan_Noxwell> to now [20:29] <Aislinn> that's an interesting idea This post has been edited by Aislinn: Oct 21 2006, 08:32 PM |
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[20:29] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> She isn't on the website as much either. I wonder how the new book is going. Yes WOMBATs are a distraction.
[20:29] <Expelliarmas> she's always weighed her words to keep from giving too much away [20:29] <AnguaTLC> I think she said more in her earliest interviews, though. [20:29] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Next time WOMBATs come I'll get a wombat avatar. [20:30] <Aislinn> I do get the impression that the connection with us is almost as important to her as it is to us, and the WOMBATs is a way to do that, since she can't talk to us about the series [20:30] <stewiegryf> I think that the WOMBATs are a sutble way of dropping us hints. [20:30] <Expelliarmas> and the timely updates to her website do keep us entertained with speculation [20:30] <fawkes28> i think when she is "live" she really has to be cautious with the website she has to time to really think about her comments and responses [20:30] <Poet> Have you noticed how she no longer seems to say, "that's a good question, I can't answer that" ? Instead she just answers a different but related question. [20:30] <AnguaTLC>  She's gotten smoother at not answering things.[20:30] <AnguaTLC> Good point, fawkes28! [20:30] <Poet> Good point fawkes28 . The website allows her to craft the questions and answers in a meaningful way. [20:30] <stewiegryf> lol - That's where experience comes in. [20:31] <AnguaTLC> I think she's naturally better at writing than at speaking. [20:31] <Aislinn> that would make sense [20:31] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> She won't be able to get away with it any more. [20:31] <stewiegryf> I think most people are angua. [20:31] <Aislinn> The essay pointed out 4 types of post-book author influence: Correcting errors, clearing up simple reader misapprehensions, trying to influence how the audience thinks/feels, and trying to influence critics' judgments. Are you bothered by any of these? Does Jo use each of these effectively? [20:31] <Expelliarmas> she won't need to get away with it after 7 is released [20:31] <Morgan_Noxwell> speaking of the website...I love how her website info and PotterCast/Fans interact. [20:31] <Morgan_Noxwell> they both go off one another. [20:31] <AnguaTLC> It'll be really exciting when we can ask her ANYTHING. [20:32] <Aislinn> it will be incredible [20:32] <fawkes28> i liked the four types, angua. it was interesting [20:32] <stewiegryf> It will be blissful. [20:32] <Aislinn> and I get the impression she really wants to answer us [20:32] <Expelliarmas> she has used her website and interviews to correct errors (the Evans deal) [20:32] <AnguaTLC> Actually, I think she gets a bit too defensive when people criticize her. She's sensitive to criticism, I think. [20:32] <Aislinn> she seemed to get such a kick out of talking to Melissa and Emerson after HBP [20:32] <stewiegryf> I hope Melissa gets another interview with her after book seven. [20:32] <Morgan_Noxwell> I bet she can't wait to be done book 7 for one good reason: she can then say = I'm done - let's talk [20:32] <fawkes28> i think jo has pure intentions with us [20:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> There was the Nancy Stouffer business and her books being banned [20:32] <Poet> I'm thrilled when she uses any of the types of influence. I always figure we can ignore what she says if we don't like it. [20:32] <AnguaTLC> Yes, that would be AWESOME. [20:33] <Aislinn> do you think so, angua - about her being sensitive? [20:33] <AnguaTLC> Yeah, she said the Nancy Stouffer business -- which was just silly -- actually affected her writing. [20:33] <Expelliarmas> she's also used her website to shoot down theories; I think she does that because she does care for the readers [20:33] <Poet> The fact that this is her first series - it makes sense that she'd be extra sensitive to criticism [20:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Well it would have done for legal reasons as well as persona [20:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> personal, I meant [20:34] <AnguaTLC> She doesn't seem to be very sensitive to criticisms like "uses too many adverbs" but people saying she was prejudiced against fat people... [20:34] <fawkes28> i think she has grown less sensitive over time [20:34] <AnguaTLC> she was pretty fierce in defending herself against that. Funny, though! [20:34] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah that was just crazy [20:34] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> The hand that wrote the paper & Forbidden love 2 books that caused considerable controversy being fraudulent. Serious matter. [20:34] <Aislinn> she was quite fierce about that one [20:34] <fawkes28> and people will always criticize [20:34] <AnguaTLC> "What some of us fondly refer to as 'facts'" biggrin [20:34] <Expelliarmas> she was defending a personal point of view with the whole fat folks things [20:35] <Aislinn> It seemed a nice example of her using her bully pulpit when she talked about girls and weight [20:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> bully pulpit? [20:35] <Expelliarmas> a bully pulpit is the use of celebrity or a perception of authority to influence public opinion [20:35] <AnguaTLC> "Bully pulpit" was originally said by Pres. Roosevelt about the presidency. [20:36] <Aislinn> a means of spreading influence [20:36] <Aislinn> sorry - didn't know it was an Americanism [20:36] <AnguaTLC> Originally. I think it has spread. [20:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It is. Never got past John Curtin & winston churchill [20:36] <Aislinn> Do you think authors may change their feelings and beliefs about their own work after seeing how the audience responds to it? Why is this? [20:36] <Poet> If someone accused me of plagiarism I certainly would be a little upset and onguard [20:36] <Poet> It's hard to not let what others say about your work affect you [20:37] <AnguaTLC> Yes, that's something that would make most people feel sensitive, I think! [20:37] <fawkes28> i think some authors may [20:37] <Expelliarmas> I don't know about authors in general, but I don't think Jo has changed her story; she's been careful to claim the characters as her own [20:37] <fawkes28> because they may want to sell more books and not turn readers off [20:37] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think the JKR phenomenon will change and has changed a lot in the author world [20:37] <AnguaTLC> Like Jo didn't know if people would think her stuff was funny. Now she knows we do. [20:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I know that I was a bit upset when one person said I shouldn't have written my first essay - the Third Reich one. [20:37] <fawkes28> but our jo has plenty of fans [20:37] <Aislinn> She has repeatedly said she is writing the tale to please herself [20:37] <Expelliarmas> sorry, that should be *has not [20:37] <Poet> Angua - you mentioned Jo's quote about how if her sister hadn't laughed when reading the Book one manuscript...... [20:37] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn! [20:37] <AnguaTLC> I think she was insecure about that at first, and now she's confident. [20:38] <AnguaTLC> I love that quote, Poet. [20:38] <stewiegryf> I don't think authors like Jo ever change their feelings about their own work. If they weren't satisfied, they wouldn't publish the things. [20:38] <fawkes28> and that is why i can enjoy the books because it is a story to her foremost [20:38] <AnguaTLC> But she also said that then she didn't know if Americans would laugh at her jokes! [20:38] <Poet> Jo said she may not have had the courage to have the books published - I think [20:38] <Poet> Good point [20:38] <Aislinn> but she has since found out we share her sense of humor smile [20:38] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It takes nerve to get a book published anyway [20:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> 90% of books written never get published [20:39] <Aislinn> Most authors/artists prefer to have their works judged upon what they were trying to accomplish (and judged positively). Audiences and critics prefer to judge based on their own terms and preferences. Have you ever shared a creative work with others? How did this open your eyes or make you more empathetic? [20:39] <Poet> That's got to be a lot of pressure - Scholastic paid quite a sum for the publishing rights, as opposed to the UK publishers [20:39] <Expelliarmas> it's hard to send your materials off and have them constantly rejected [20:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Actually 99% [20:39] <Aislinn> you mentioned something about this with your first essay, wagga? [20:39] <fawkes28> it takes a lot to be criticized in front of others [20:39] <AnguaTLC> I think it would be very frustrating to have people judge your work based on their agendas. [20:40] <fawkes28> it can be very rewarding [20:40] <Expelliarmas> well, I've been published and was the most surprised person in the room when I got the letter as to my article [20:40] <AnguaTLC> I think people do that with JKR a lot. Like, they want it to be "good for children." [20:40] <Aislinn> I agree angua, but if their agenda is transparent, it may be easier to dismiss it as their issue and not one that is real in general [20:40] <AnguaTLC> Based on what THEY think children need. [20:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes. In the Third Reich one. Somebody said I shouldn't have written it. It upset & annoyed me, all the more as I was invited to write that essay [20:40] <Poet> I write short stuff for my own pleasure. I read a poem to someone once and resists telling them what I was thinking when I wrote it. They were disappointed when I finally relented and told them my inspiration [20:40] <AnguaTLC> Did they think you were promoting Naziism, WWW? !! [20:41] <Aislinn> yes, I can understand that - its really sticking your neck out to risk writing an essay - its frustrating to have that trashed [20:41] <Expelliarmas> ha, I got criticism from an international crowd, but also got support from others, so it balanced out. when you put your work out there, it comes with good and bad critisms [20:41] <stewiegryf> Actually, I have shared some of my photography with others. I enjoyed taking the pictues and sharing them with others. If they didn't like them, it didn't affect me, because I was still satisfied with they work I did on them and the way they turned out. [20:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> And that was only an essay, too. And I was definitely not promoting Naziism. [20:41] <fawkes28> you just have to remember all the good comments and how much they mean to you [20:41] <AnguaTLC> Aislinn, I think the biggest problem is if their agena is widely shared. Like when people say Jo provides bad role models for girls. [20:42] <AnguaTLC> Almost everyone now agrees that literature "should" provide good role models for little girls. [20:42] <Aislinn> yes, that one is much more troubling than the Chief Exorcist accusing Harry Potter of being the devil [20:42] <Expelliarmas> I blew off the negative criticism which seemed overly negative; the others I took as an expression of a different pov. [20:43] <AnguaTLC> I think Jo is sensitive to criticism from people whose points of view she generally agrees with. [20:43] <Expelliarmas> it all depends on how the critics chose to share their thoughts; if it seems they are being overly sarcastic, then why should authors take that seriously? [20:43] <Aislinn> that makes sense angua [20:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Most essays in Scribbulus good. I feel dreadful when nobody wants to comment about them, and sometimes have gone out of my way to read the essay and comment just to start the ball rolling [20:43] <AnguaTLC> And we love you for that, WaggaWaggaWerewolf! [20:43] <Aislinn> we do! [20:44] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Scribbulus Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Scribbulus-Leaky-Cauldr-f108.html. [20:44] <fawkes28> i've done that because i know people put a lot of time and effort into it [20:44] <AnguaTLC> *I'm* sensitive to criticism of Jo from people I generally agree with. tongue [20:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> And I really enjoy it when somebody comments about something I've written and said. Third Reich notwithstanding [20:45] <AnguaTLC> I mean, I don't care what the "Satanic" crowd says, but it makes me wince when people call Tonks a pining girly-girl. [20:45] <Aislinn> exactly angua [20:45] <Expelliarmas> I don't take Jo's critics siriusly, I question some of their motives and usually wonder if they've ever read any of the books [20:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No she isn't. [20:45] <Aislinn> the satanic bit can be dismissed as ridiculous [20:45] <AnguaTLC> Well, some of the critics, definitely! [20:45] <AnguaTLC> I agree, WWW, she isn't! But the criticism still stings a little. [20:45] <Punky> yes some of them make you wonder how much they have read [20:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It is. And I think I've done my bit to show how stupid it was. [20:46] <Expelliarmas> some of those critics know they will get international press attention by simply dragging Jo's name through the ringer [20:46] <Aislinn> but the criticisms like that leveled against Tonks or the weight of the characters hits a bit closer to home [20:46] <Aislinn> as it is more open to interpretation [20:46] <fawkes28> i think it's most important to be your own critic of a book [20:46] <AnguaTLC> Yeah. Dudley. [20:46] <stewiegryf> I like the fact that some critics cite the fact that the books are "too long" and that's why they've never read them. [20:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think that sometimes the press try to entrap her. [20:46] <Poet> My favorite analysis of writers has come from other writers. They know and understand. [20:46] <fawkes28> that is sad, stewie, isn't it? [20:46] <Expelliarmas> lol! it does take away some of their credibility when they can't get through the books due to length, stewie [20:46] <AnguaTLC> I love that Harold Bloom knows the books suck after reading a chapter of Book 1. He must be psychic! [20:46] <Aislinn> he must be tongue [20:47] <fawkes28> i hate harold bloom [20:47] <Aislinn> In your opinion what is the proper relationships between the author, the texts they write, and the reader? [20:47] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But some people up themselves. [20:47] <AnguaTLC> More please! [20:47] <Morgan_Noxwell> tought [20:47] <Morgan_Noxwell> tough one! [20:47] <stewiegryf> Don't get me started on Harold Bloom. [20:47] <Expelliarmas> the proper relationship is whatever the author and the readers decide to let evolve; it will always be different [20:47] <AnguaTLC> I mean, they should write more for us to read! And in between, they should answer all our questions! [20:47] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Harold Bloom, probably [20:47] <Morgan_Noxwell> there is a fine line between the author and the readers and who "owns" the books [20:47] <Aislinn> LOL [20:48] <Morgan_Noxwell> readers tend to think they have rights to the plot [20:48] <fawkes28> i think it's important for an author to be connected to their texts [20:48] <Morgan_Noxwell> b/c they love it so much [20:48] <fawkes28> otherwise if they are not connected, how can we be? [20:48] <AnguaTLC> I really think that readers are trying to "own" texts now, more than ever. [20:48] <Morgan_Noxwell> but in the end, the author is the controller of the plot [20:48] <Aislinn> I am personally thrilled that we live in a time when the author can reach out and communicate to readers all over the world, the way the Jo is able to do with her website [20:48] <Poet> Tricky, tricky. The author will hopefully create a good work with as few mistakes and things that need to be clarified, and then find a way to respect their readers without ignoring them [20:48] <Aislinn> and interviews [20:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I know something about book publishing through my librarianship training. It is a tough experiencee [20:48] <AnguaTLC> Trying to put pressure on writers (not just JKR) to write certain ways. [20:48] <Expelliarmas> readers can go too far with their fandom at times [20:49] <stewiegryf> I have to agree with Poet. I just couldn't find the words to say what you have. [20:49] <Morgan_Noxwell> I think this case is difficult b/c it's a series of books that have become so loved and cherished and developed over a lont pd. of time [20:49] <fawkes28> it amazes me too aislinn, because this probably wouldn't have happened even 10 years ago [20:49] <Poet> It's better for an author to speak out than be silent I think, when the fans are truly biting at the chomp on an issue. [20:49] <Aislinn> I find it is especially appealing with a work like this, where it involves a whole different world [20:49] <fawkes28> jo has great timing [20:49] <Morgan_Noxwell> there's been time to get to know the characters through 6 books [20:49] <Aislinn> there are so many details to discover that she could never fit into the books [20:49] <Morgan_Noxwell> we have questions we want answered. [20:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That is one reason why JKR needs to control what is said about her books. To stop people trying to influence her how to finish the series [20:50] <fawkes28> and we want to know all those details too! [20:50] <Morgan_Noxwell> she's got to stick to those guns! [20:50] <AnguaTLC> Yeah, she has to protect herself from that. [20:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> precisely [20:50] <Morgan_Noxwell> the non-intrusive fans will ask questions but not be sad when she says... "good questions... I can't say" [20:50] *** LaSorciere has joined #lounge [20:51] <AnguaTLC> We have a lot of energy, and she has to harness that energy productively. Or else it might become destructive! [20:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> In one interview with Stephen Fry, he hazarded a guess how the book might end and she gasped. She seemed worried [20:51] <AnguaTLC> And her reputation can be affected by what we do and say, as well. [20:51] <Expelliarmas> even the rabid fans aren't to fussed when she says good question, can't answer. she's been consistent that way and the fans get it. [20:51] <Morgan_Noxwell> well she's given us so much practice to figure out how things will end [20:51] <Morgan_Noxwell> after 6 books we're becoming good at predicting her wriitng [20:51] <Poet> She avoided the religion questions early on for the same reason - concern over us guessing something too soon - as far as I can tell. [20:51] <Expelliarmas> that's also part of the fun of Jo's books [20:52] <Expelliarmas> that she doesn't spoil them [20:52] <AnguaTLC> Yes, she has avoided that. [20:52] <AnguaTLC> Verrrry suspicious... [20:52] <Aislinn> lol [20:52] <Morgan_Noxwell> She knows we're good at guessing but until that book comes out it's only guessing [20:52] <Morgan_Noxwell> no matter HOW right we are [20:53] <stewiegryf> Gotta go. Good night everyone! [20:53] <Aislinn> so, we have this tradition at the end of these chats to ask a certain question: Time for live or die! (Hehehe) So for you as a reader, is the author alive or dead? [20:53] <Morgan_Noxwell> maybe she likes that we're guessing so well... makes her proud to have such a fantastic fandom [20:53] <LaSorciere> I always thought it interesting that there's not really any established religion in the wizarding world. I suppose she wrote it it that way out of convenience. I figure she has enough going on to complicate her series without adding religion to the mix. [20:53] <Aislinn> bye stewie [20:53] <fawkes28> bye stewie [20:53] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [20:53] <Morgan_Noxwell> ALIVE! [20:53] <Poet> Jo is alive and kicking. I only wish that other authors were that much alive. [20:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But I think she is lying low at the moment. I keep thinking she is roughly at the same part of the book occlumency was in OOP [20:53] <Expelliarmas> the author is alive and well, thanks! [20:53] <LaSorciere> For me the author is very much alive. Mostly b/c the series is still continuing. [20:53] <fawkes28> dead [20:53] <fawkes28> just kidding [20:54] <LaSorciere> haha fawkes [20:54] <Morgan_Noxwell> lol [20:54] <Aislinn> lol [20:54] <Punky> Alive, I agree poet, I wish others would take a cue from her [20:54] * Expelliarmas was eyeing the stout 2x4 [20:54] <Poet> How long will she be alive for though? [20:54] <Aislinn> I think she's very much alive, and making sure that we all know it! [20:54] <AnguaTLC> Yeah, the series continuing makes her very alive. But I think she will cling to life even after. [20:54] <fawkes28> lol [20:54] <Morgan_Noxwell> this era of HP will never die [20:54] <Expelliarmas> I think she'll be happy to have more discussion with the fans through her website after 7 is published [20:54] <Aislinn> I think so too angua [20:54] <LaSorciere> I think the website will keep her alive. [20:54] <Morgan_Noxwell> it's going to last through everything [20:54] <fawkes28> yes, angua [20:54] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It will always be something to remember. [20:55] <fawkes28> we hold on to her every word for now [20:55] <Morgan_Noxwell> smile [20:55] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> We may even want to keep in touch with each other after the series finishes. [20:55] <Poet> Hopefully some day she won't get sick of Harry Potter questions... [20:55] <AnguaTLC> As long as there is information about the wizarding world that we want and she has, she will be alive. [20:55] <LaSorciere> I agree Angua [20:55] <Morgan_Noxwell> after so mnay books I don't think she'll get sick of it [20:55] <LaSorciere> and she has a lot of info, and we want it all. [20:55] <Aislinn> I think there will be enough details to learn to keep the discussion going for quite a while after Book 7 is out [20:55] <AnguaTLC> I hope so! Otherwise, what will happen to us all? [20:56] <AnguaTLC> We'll have to get... lives. [20:56] <Aislinn> LOL [20:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> there will always be conundrums to discuss even after 7 [20:56] <LaSorciere> What's a life? [20:56] <Expelliarmas> A book or a series like HP doesn't come along very often; it will be awhile before anything like it comes this way again. She'll have active fans even after she really does go through the veil. [20:56] <LaSorciere> She can't possibly answer every question [20:56] <AnguaTLC> You know, I hope it all does get saved! [20:56] <LaSorciere> There will always be something to discuss ... I hope [20:56] <Aislinn> I'd like to thank AnguaTLC for joining us tonight and discussing her fascinating essay! smile [20:56] <Poet> There will always be new fans to discover her works [20:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> there will always be HP and fans [20:56] <Poet> Yes [20:57] <AnguaTLC> If my grandchildren want to be be rabid HP fans, I'd like to know they could find all those interviews and read them. [20:57] * Poet cheers [20:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Books enrich, entertain and comfort the reader. Sometimes they are relevant as well [20:57] * Expelliarmas claps enthusiastically [20:57] <Aislinn> another example of an author communicating with her readers [20:57] <LaSorciere> Yes thank you Angua, even though I only got to join in at the end! [20:57] * fawkes28 says woo hoo [20:57] <AnguaTLC> Thanks, LaSorciere! [20:57] <Morgan_Noxwell> great chat! [20:57] <Punky> Thanks Angua! [20:57] <Poet> woot [20:57] <Morgan_Noxwell> this was my first one - it was fun! [20:57] <AnguaTLC> I had a great time! smile [20:57] * fawkes28 rolls eyes [20:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Thank you angua! And even if I didn't comment this time, the essay was great! smile [20:57] <Poet> Will the author be signing our computer monitors? [20:57] <Aislinn> Next chat will be tomorrow at 3pm eastern [20:57] <Expelliarmas> hope to see you again, Morgan [20:57] <LaSorciere> lol [20:57] <fawkes28> glad you enjoyed it morgan! [20:57] <Morgan_Noxwell> smile [20:58] <AnguaTLC> Thanks, WWW! [20:58] <LaSorciere> Morgan, it was my first too [20:58] <Morgan_Noxwell> smile [20:58] <Poet> wow - awesome [20:58] <Aislinn> check out Scribbulus for this and more great essays! smile [20:58] <AnguaTLC> Yes! [20:58] <LaSorciere> yeah, Scribbulus ROX! [20:58] <fawkes28> thanks for a great essay, angua! [20:59] <Morgan_Noxwell> seeya! goodnight everyone! pizza time... [20:59] <AnguaTLC> Thanks for the great comments, fawkes! [20:59] <AnguaTLC> Night, Morgan! [20:59] *** LaSorciere has quit [Bye] [20:59] <Aislinn> OK, we'll see you all again - good night all! [20:59] <fawkes28> night, morgan [20:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Oh and don't forget the ones already done. Please. Some worth revisiting [20:59] *** Morgan_Noxwell left #lounge [] [20:59] <Expelliarmas> good night folks [20:59] *** Punky left #lounge [] [20:59] <AnguaTLC> Night! [20:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Good morning and see you around. smile [21:00] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has quit [Bye] [21:00] <Aislinn> bye wagga smile --------------------  To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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