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Sirius in OOTP, The grim at 12 Grimmauld Place.
rowena r
post Feb 16 2008, 12:10 PM
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Sirius in OOTP is not the old Sirius we knew in PoA and later in GoF. From the escapee from Azkaban who lived on the run, to the man who seemed trapped by fate in the house he hated, Sirius, as we knew him, had changed somewhat due to circumstances.

What was it that made Sirius feel more wretched - living in the house he hated, the feeling that he wasn't doing anything really useful, or the loneliness he suffered for most of the time ?

He was more moody, more silent and more distant than we ever knew him to be. Being left alone in that horrible house with none but Kreacher for company for most of the time, listening to Snape's taunts of cowardice now and then, and worrying for Harry took its toll on Sirius as the days wore by.

Did he take Snape's taunts to heart after all ? how much did Kreacher's attitude and actions affect the situation ?

He brings up the subject of Voldemort Harry's first night at 12GP which turns into a mini war with Molly jumping in on the other side. It is only after Remus intervenes and ends the discussion firmly that Sirius simmers down.

Why was it that Sirius calmed down only after Remus told him to ? What caused the outburst in the first place ?

He risks his neck to speak to Harry in the fire and is almost caught by Umbridge for it. He is very elated at the thought of Harry forming a group against the ministry. In the end, ordering Kreacher to wait for Dumbledore, Sirius rushes to the Ministry to save Harry, who ironically had gone there to save Sirius, where he is killed by Bellatrix.

Was Sirius really trying to live through Harry like Hermione said ? Was it reckless of him to have rushed out to the ministry knowing that both the ministry and the DEs were after him ?

Discuss all this and anything else about Sirius - brave wizard, good friend, and godfather extraordinaire. paw.gif






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- rowena r   Sirius in OOTP   Feb 16 2008, 12:10 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(rowena r @ Feb 16 2008, 10:10 AM) W...   Feb 17 2008, 03:10 PM
|- - momwitch   QUOTE(Maime the Hunter @ Feb 17 2008, 08...   Feb 21 2008, 12:59 PM
|- - wendybird3   What was it that made Sirius feel more wretched - ...   Feb 22 2008, 10:56 AM
- - Dora87   A topic about Sirius. Aww. What was it that mad...   Feb 21 2008, 11:42 AM
- - Oxymoronic   With regard to whether or not Sirius took Snape...   Feb 21 2008, 01:24 PM
- - phoenix42   When I think of Sirius, I think many of his decisi...   Feb 21 2008, 08:31 PM
- - Dora87   QUOTE(Oxymoronic)I feel that Snape was in fact mak...   Feb 22 2008, 08:12 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEbut Sirius isn't one of her "pups...   Feb 22 2008, 11:43 AM
- - Oryx   QUOTEAgain as far as rushing to the Ministry: I...   Feb 22 2008, 12:19 PM
|- - wendybird3   QUOTE(Oryx @ Feb 22 2008, 12:19 PM) QUOTE...   Feb 23 2008, 04:51 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEBut I thought this might explain why they did...   Feb 24 2008, 01:58 PM
- - invisibilitybooster1   What was it that made Sirius feel more wretched - ...   Feb 24 2008, 08:58 PM
|- - rowena r   QUOTE(invisibilitybooster1 @ Feb 24 2008, 09...   Feb 25 2008, 08:47 AM
- - Oryx   QUOTEWhen Harry visits the Weaslys in DH the clock...   Feb 25 2008, 10:39 AM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(Oryx @ Feb 25 2008, 08:39 AM) They ...   Feb 26 2008, 01:56 PM
- - Oryx   OK, so Sirius was depressed. Order members were co...   Feb 26 2008, 04:30 PM
|- - rowena r   QUOTE(Oryx @ Feb 26 2008, 04:30 PM) OK, s...   Feb 27 2008, 11:08 AM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(Oryx @ Feb 26 2008, 02:30 PM) OK, s...   Feb 27 2008, 12:15 PM
- - Oryx   One of the reasons behind Sirius' depression i...   Feb 27 2008, 05:09 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   For Dumbledore's part, he might have projected...   Feb 27 2008, 06:36 PM
- - harrypottergeek2   I just thought of something: Why is it that Siriu...   Mar 2 2008, 02:11 PM
|- - lirene   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Mar 2 2008, 02:1...   Mar 2 2008, 02:25 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   Harry wasn't concerned about Sirius out as Snu...   Mar 2 2008, 02:37 PM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(Maime the Hunter @ Mar 2 2008, 02:3...   Mar 2 2008, 05:08 PM
- - rowena r   Hmm... I agree that it was strange Malfoy didn...   Mar 3 2008, 09:16 AM
|- - WaggaWaggaWerewolf   QUOTEHmm... I agree that it was strange Malfoy di...   Mar 3 2008, 03:34 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   As Bellatrix pointed out to Harry, it suited Volde...   Mar 3 2008, 11:43 AM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(Maime the Hunter @ Mar 3 2008, 11:4...   Mar 3 2008, 01:07 PM
- - 908393   Malfoy is going toward becoming a DE in the future...   Mar 3 2008, 06:21 PM
- - finley   It did occur to me that although 'they' kn...   Mar 3 2008, 06:33 PM
- - Oryx   Sirius was recognizable as Snuffles to anyone who ...   Mar 4 2008, 10:29 AM
- - lirene   QUOTE(rowena r @ Feb 16 2008, 12:10 PM) D...   Mar 4 2008, 11:15 AM
|- - WaggaWaggaWerewolf   QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 5 2008, 03:15 AM) QUOT...   Mar 4 2008, 02:52 PM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(WaggaWaggaWerewolf @ Mar 4 2008, 02...   Mar 4 2008, 11:28 PM
|- - lirene   QUOTE(WaggaWaggaWerewolf @ Mar 4 2008, 02...   Mar 5 2008, 01:41 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEMalfoy is going toward becoming a DE in the f...   Mar 4 2008, 12:04 PM
|- - wendybird3   QUOTE(Maime the Hunter @ Mar 4 2008, 12:0...   Mar 5 2008, 07:41 AM
|- - rowena r   QUOTE(wendybird3 @ Mar 5 2008, 08:41 AM) ...   Mar 5 2008, 10:25 AM
- - patricia.potter19   When Sirius died, for me, it was awful, cause i lo...   Mar 4 2008, 06:37 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEI could be wrong but I think that was referin...   Mar 5 2008, 10:56 AM
- - Oryx   The letter made its way somehow from Sirius' f...   Mar 5 2008, 02:02 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEThe letter made its way somehow from Sirius...   Mar 5 2008, 02:37 PM
- - Oryx   QUOTEHe had plenty of money and even more when his...   Mar 5 2008, 02:45 PM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(Oryx @ Mar 5 2008, 12:45 PM) QUOTEH...   Mar 5 2008, 02:57 PM
- - wendybird3   I am on my 3rd read of OoTP and am at the part rig...   Mar 7 2008, 08:43 AM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(wendybird3 @ Mar 7 2008, 06:43 AM) ...   Mar 7 2008, 02:40 PM
- - Virginia Black   I love Sirius with all my heart and I'm quite ...   Mar 7 2008, 03:04 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEHe was a sprited person who wanted to run arr...   Mar 7 2008, 03:10 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(Maime the Hunter)Dumbledore said: QUOTESiriu...   Mar 10 2008, 09:06 PM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 10 2008, 10:06 PM) QUO...   Mar 10 2008, 09:19 PM
|- - wendybird3   QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 10 2008, 10:06 PM) QUO...   Mar 20 2008, 05:39 AM
- - lirene   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Mar 10 2008, 09...   Mar 10 2008, 11:26 PM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 10 2008, 11:26 PM) Co...   Mar 11 2008, 12:34 AM
- - Oryx   I think neither Sirius nor Dumbledore appreciated ...   Mar 11 2008, 02:26 AM
- - lirene   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Mar 11 2008, 01...   Mar 11 2008, 11:37 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEWhy didn't Dumbledore advise Sirius to fr...   Mar 11 2008, 12:11 PM
- - Oryx   After reading her interpretation of the ownership ...   Mar 11 2008, 12:34 PM
- - Star of Isis   I hated the way the Sirius’s character changed in ...   Mar 19 2008, 10:51 PM
- - tryston009   QUOTE(rowena r @ Feb 16 2008, 12:10 PM) W...   Mar 19 2008, 11:31 PM
- - Oryx   Star of Isis, in GOF Sirius was able to act respon...   Mar 20 2008, 02:41 AM
- - Laura W   Star of Isis ... although I do not necessarily se...   Mar 20 2008, 04:29 AM
- - JaneMarple9   Sirius's character in OOTP was for me very di...   Mar 20 2008, 02:28 PM
- - tryston009   QUOTE(Oryx @ Mar 20 2008, 02:41 AM) Star ...   Mar 20 2008, 10:59 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEhad Sirius been in the habit of talking nicel...   Mar 22 2008, 03:42 AM
- - Laura W   "been totally clueless about Kreature's n...   Mar 26 2008, 04:50 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   I didn't say Sirius was right about how he tre...   Mar 26 2008, 05:21 PM
- - Laura W   1) I do not believe that Kreacher fell in love wit...   Mar 26 2008, 06:28 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   We have to agree to disagree, I'll respond ...   Mar 27 2008, 08:56 AM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(Maime the Hunter @ Mar 27 2008, 09...   Mar 28 2008, 06:21 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   Tweaking the discussion a little. Sirius did real...   Mar 28 2008, 11:55 AM
- - lirene   QUOTEIt's difficult for me to speak about Herm...   Mar 28 2008, 11:29 PM
- - horas1   Kreacher only turns the corner when he is given a ...   Jun 22 2009, 06:42 PM


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