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Snape in OOTP, at the end, what really happened ?
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:19 PM
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Even after DH, I'm still puzzled by this. According to Dumbledore Snape alerted the Order "as soon" as he find out where Harry went.

a) even if we assume Snape has no idea who Padfoot is, he knows of the room Harry's been dreaming about whole year (even if he doesn't know it holds the prophecy), so he knows Harry will go to the Ministry.
b) Both Voldemort and DD have their own agenda in this book, so naturally Snape probably knew about both plans.

The question, then, is: if Snape is ultimately on the good side, why did the DE's appear before the Order did, and what seems like hours ahead in time ? Even if it kept Snape spying, it still put 6 teenagers in grave danger, not to mention Harry. It seems to me Snape alerted DE's first, possibly saw 6 kids flying away, waited a few hours, and only then alerted the Order (and even later, DD), and a few well aimed taunts at Sirius made sure he went there too.

Did Snape, as we saw in PoA, let his Sirius emotions overcome him again ?








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post Mar 26 2008, 09:08 AM
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My problem with that night is the amount of time it took from when Snape left Umbridge's office until help arrived at the Ministry. Dumbledore the ruthless, manipulating head of the Order of the Phoenix makes no mention of Snape contacting him, why can't you believe that Dumbledore did not not tell the whole truth to Harry? After all, he says that Snape did everything that night "at once". I think there is a minimum of at least 6 hours between Snape leaving the Umbridge's office and help arriving at the ministry. That can hardly be called "at once"

We are left with 2 choices:
  1. JKR made mistakes in leaving the numerous clues to the time line for that evening and everything happened much quicker.
  2. JKR meant for the time line to be decoded and used as evidence of Snape's guilt.
I think option 2 is correct. I think Snape was following Dumbledore's orders. I would never call Snape good, but he did follow Dumbledore's orders, even after Dumbledore was dead.

By the way, I like Dumbledore as a character. I do. I just think that he had to be ruthless to win. It makes all of the other parts of the story fit together.


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- broomwitch   Snape in OOTP, at the end   Mar 21 2008, 02:19 PM
- - Arcalus   The DE's had been alerted, and not by Snape, t...   Mar 21 2008, 02:32 PM
- - Antonija   I agree complitely with Arcalus. Snape alerted Oot...   Mar 21 2008, 04:02 PM
- - harrypottergeek2   Don't forget, this whole ordeal was planned by...   Mar 21 2008, 04:52 PM
- - HedwigIsntDead   QUOTEa) even if we assume Snape has no idea who Pa...   Mar 21 2008, 06:47 PM
|- - BKool   QUOTE(HedwigIsntDead @ Mar 21 2008, 04:47...   Mar 21 2008, 10:15 PM
|- - broomwitch   QUOTE(HedwigIsntDead @ Mar 22 2008, 12:47...   Mar 22 2008, 03:41 AM
|- - darksoul707   I know Snape followed Marauders around but knowing...   Mar 22 2008, 04:02 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   I still don't understand why we're suppose...   Mar 22 2008, 02:22 AM
- - darksoul707   QUOTE(HedwigIsntDead @ Mar 21 2008, 07:47...   Mar 22 2008, 03:19 AM
- - Bradley   Severus only saw the hallway to the Department of ...   Mar 22 2008, 04:39 AM
|- - darksoul707   QUOTE(Bradley @ Mar 22 2008, 05:39 AM) Se...   Mar 22 2008, 04:41 AM
|- - Bradley   QUOTE(darksoul707 @ Mar 22 2008, 02:41 AM...   Mar 22 2008, 04:55 AM
- - darksoul707   During Harry's occlumency training when Snape ...   Mar 22 2008, 04:59 AM
- - rowena r   Snape, according to Dumbledore, searched the fores...   Mar 22 2008, 10:14 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   Snape wasn't always on the good side or he cou...   Mar 22 2008, 11:39 AM
- - MsFrankIero   i am all for believing that snape is all good... s...   Mar 22 2008, 11:51 AM
- - GubraithianGryffindor   I agree that Snape was definitely on the good side...   Mar 22 2008, 12:00 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEThe only explanation I can think of is that S...   Mar 22 2008, 12:25 PM
- - broomwitch   I think Snape definitely risked more than anyone e...   Mar 22 2008, 02:00 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   What was Snape risking that made any one think Sna...   Mar 22 2008, 02:56 PM
- - broomwitch   Snape was risking his life, and more importantly, ...   Mar 22 2008, 03:12 PM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(broomwitch @ Mar 22 2008, 02:12 PM)...   Mar 22 2008, 03:23 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(broomwitch @ Mar 22 2008, 03:00 PM)...   Mar 22 2008, 03:18 PM
- - broomwitch   Well it is risking more to my eyes. Others did ris...   Mar 22 2008, 03:40 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   We have to agree to disagree on the definition of ...   Mar 22 2008, 03:55 PM
- - cbm   What the heck was Severus Snape doing in the hours...   Mar 25 2008, 04:10 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   Snape did not contact Dumbledore. The members of ...   Mar 26 2008, 01:26 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   We know that Dumbledore was still hiding things fr...   Mar 26 2008, 10:14 AM
- - cbm   Maime, Your order of events is off. Snape did n...   Mar 26 2008, 12:10 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEWhen, however, you did not return from your t...   Mar 26 2008, 12:48 PM
- - Snapehalfbloodprince   LMAO!! smoking thats funny   Mar 26 2008, 06:16 PM
- - Snapehalfbloodprince   I think that Snape litterally ran to Dumbledore...   Mar 26 2008, 06:18 PM
- - Snapehalfbloodprince   I also think that Snape had an emotional break dow...   Mar 26 2008, 06:20 PM


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