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Snape in OOTP, at the end, what really happened ?
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post Mar 21 2008, 02:19 PM
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Even after DH, I'm still puzzled by this. According to Dumbledore Snape alerted the Order "as soon" as he find out where Harry went.

a) even if we assume Snape has no idea who Padfoot is, he knows of the room Harry's been dreaming about whole year (even if he doesn't know it holds the prophecy), so he knows Harry will go to the Ministry.
b) Both Voldemort and DD have their own agenda in this book, so naturally Snape probably knew about both plans.

The question, then, is: if Snape is ultimately on the good side, why did the DE's appear before the Order did, and what seems like hours ahead in time ? Even if it kept Snape spying, it still put 6 teenagers in grave danger, not to mention Harry. It seems to me Snape alerted DE's first, possibly saw 6 kids flying away, waited a few hours, and only then alerted the Order (and even later, DD), and a few well aimed taunts at Sirius made sure he went there too.

Did Snape, as we saw in PoA, let his Sirius emotions overcome him again ?
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We know that Dumbledore was still hiding things from Harry, even in OOP. He tells Harr about the prophesy but not that Snape was the one who took the prophesy to Voldemort. How is that , by the way "the Better of Snape"?
How could Dumbledore tell Harry the "better of Snape" without telling him the worst that the man was?
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Dumbledore the ruthless, manipulating head of the Order of the Phoenix makes no mention of Snape contacting him, why can't you believe that Dumbledore did not not tell the whole truth to Harry?


Yes, Dumbledore can be ruthless and is manipulative. But I would hope that Dumbledore didn't want Harry to go to the DOM to confront Death Eaters and Voldemort. Dumbledore arrived in time because Harry Potter is an adventure fantasy. It works on screen, the scene (not in the book) where Sirius tells Lucius to get away from his Godson. The book was better:
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"Sirius hurtled out of nowhere, rammed Dolohov with his shuld and sent him flying out of the way.
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Snape didn't contact Dumbledore; Dumbledore was in route to Grimmuald Place. How could Snape contact Dumbledore who was in hiding? After speaking to Kreacher, I imagine Dumbledore asked Snape where he was, why he allowed Harry to leave grounds. I'm certain Snape may have repeated what he always says to Dumbledore about Harry's arrogance, his impatience, his tendancy to rush off where angel's fear to thread --like James going into a tunnel where he knew a werewolf waited to pull Snape to safety. Eddie Murphy has a joke about the Poltergiest movie where he says he would have left the house--even with Carol Ann still in the television. When his character is asked didn't he try and save his Daughter: "Yeah, I'm a man. I changed the channel..."
It is possible both leaders told Snape to stay put. But it is also possible Dumbledore told Snape he should have sat on Harry if need be, give the boy a tincture of the Draught of Living Death if necessary to keep Harry and his friends safe at Hogwarts.

And Snape very defensively answered: I checked on Black, I searched the forrest, I sent the Order to the DOM, I told Black to stay put. You can't blame me because your blasted Gryffindors go charging off like headless chickens into danger...

Dumbledore's admiring statement that Sirius was not the kind of man who would choose his own safety when he believes others in danger, I think tells us how Albus feels a person should behave in such situations. But he also possibly feels that as a Slytherin, Snape did what he thought was best without risking his own life or cover. He sent the Order to save the teens. He looked in the forest--the boy wasn't there. He couldn't go down to the DOM and start fighting Death Eaters and maintain his cover, especially if the Dark Lord did tell him to stay put. As Snape was closer to Harry, I'm certain Voldemort did contact him to make certain Harry received and believed his message.

There were bad guys in this sceanario who were not at all passive and Snape is connected to them.
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- broomwitch   Snape in OOTP, at the end   Mar 21 2008, 02:19 PM
- - Arcalus   The DE's had been alerted, and not by Snape, t...   Mar 21 2008, 02:32 PM
- - Antonija   I agree complitely with Arcalus. Snape alerted Oot...   Mar 21 2008, 04:02 PM
- - harrypottergeek2   Don't forget, this whole ordeal was planned by...   Mar 21 2008, 04:52 PM
- - HedwigIsntDead   QUOTEa) even if we assume Snape has no idea who Pa...   Mar 21 2008, 06:47 PM
|- - BKool   QUOTE(HedwigIsntDead @ Mar 21 2008, 04:47...   Mar 21 2008, 10:15 PM
|- - broomwitch   QUOTE(HedwigIsntDead @ Mar 22 2008, 12:47...   Mar 22 2008, 03:41 AM
|- - darksoul707   I know Snape followed Marauders around but knowing...   Mar 22 2008, 04:02 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   I still don't understand why we're suppose...   Mar 22 2008, 02:22 AM
- - darksoul707   QUOTE(HedwigIsntDead @ Mar 21 2008, 07:47...   Mar 22 2008, 03:19 AM
- - Bradley   Severus only saw the hallway to the Department of ...   Mar 22 2008, 04:39 AM
|- - darksoul707   QUOTE(Bradley @ Mar 22 2008, 05:39 AM) Se...   Mar 22 2008, 04:41 AM
|- - Bradley   QUOTE(darksoul707 @ Mar 22 2008, 02:41 AM...   Mar 22 2008, 04:55 AM
- - darksoul707   During Harry's occlumency training when Snape ...   Mar 22 2008, 04:59 AM
- - rowena r   Snape, according to Dumbledore, searched the fores...   Mar 22 2008, 10:14 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   Snape wasn't always on the good side or he cou...   Mar 22 2008, 11:39 AM
- - MsFrankIero   i am all for believing that snape is all good... s...   Mar 22 2008, 11:51 AM
- - GubraithianGryffindor   I agree that Snape was definitely on the good side...   Mar 22 2008, 12:00 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEThe only explanation I can think of is that S...   Mar 22 2008, 12:25 PM
- - broomwitch   I think Snape definitely risked more than anyone e...   Mar 22 2008, 02:00 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   What was Snape risking that made any one think Sna...   Mar 22 2008, 02:56 PM
- - broomwitch   Snape was risking his life, and more importantly, ...   Mar 22 2008, 03:12 PM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(broomwitch @ Mar 22 2008, 02:12 PM)...   Mar 22 2008, 03:23 PM
- - lirene   QUOTE(broomwitch @ Mar 22 2008, 03:00 PM)...   Mar 22 2008, 03:18 PM
- - broomwitch   Well it is risking more to my eyes. Others did ris...   Mar 22 2008, 03:40 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   We have to agree to disagree on the definition of ...   Mar 22 2008, 03:55 PM
- - cbm   What the heck was Severus Snape doing in the hours...   Mar 25 2008, 04:10 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   Snape did not contact Dumbledore. The members of ...   Mar 26 2008, 01:26 AM
- - cbm   My problem with that night is the amount of time i...   Mar 26 2008, 09:08 AM
- - cbm   Maime, Your order of events is off. Snape did n...   Mar 26 2008, 12:10 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEWhen, however, you did not return from your t...   Mar 26 2008, 12:48 PM
- - Snapehalfbloodprince   LMAO!! smoking thats funny   Mar 26 2008, 06:16 PM
- - Snapehalfbloodprince   I think that Snape litterally ran to Dumbledore...   Mar 26 2008, 06:18 PM
- - Snapehalfbloodprince   I also think that Snape had an emotional break dow...   Mar 26 2008, 06:20 PM

 

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