Snape's Biggest Regret, What Was Truly His Worst Memory? |
 Dec 16 2008, 05:20 AM
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But he took it out on both children and adults - recall how he was with Tonks, Lupin, Sirius? I am not sure what you are disagreeing with, but bullying children is always wrong to me and Snape was always a bully - since 9 years old with Petunia. I wasn't really discussing why he was the way he was - it doesn't matter. Self loathing or whatever, he was still a bully of people of all ages. I think he should have turned to booze before he turned to bullying children though because torturing innocent, helpless kids is unjustified for any reason. So I think that is what he should have regreted the most - that and all of the horrible stuff he did as a death eater.
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Dec 24 2008, 11:50 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 158 Joined: 5:02pm April 22, 2008 Location: Flying on thestrels with Luna  |
I personally think that it was the fact that he told LV the prophecy. Snape probably blamed himself for Lilly's death......even though he was not the one to curse her. He was the one to give LV the idea or a reason to kill her. He then probably thought that he should have asked LV to spare Lilly again possibly to save her.
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Dec 29 2008, 06:03 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 88 Joined: 5:41pm December 29, 2008 Location: Filch's Office (Help!) |
Maybe reading Petunia's letter to Hogwarts. It was small, but it was what almost ended the friendship. Or, calling Lily a Mudblood. That really, truly ended it. He may have had a chance if he didn't make that small, tiny mistake. And then we'd be reading about Harry Snape, who hated Proffesor Potter, his Potions master. Think about it, everything could have changed.
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Dec 30 2008, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE(The Quibbler Editor @ Dec 29 2008, 06:03 PM)  Maybe reading Petunia's letter to Hogwarts. It was small, but it was what almost ended the friendship. Or, calling Lily a Mudblood. That really, truly ended it. He may have had a chance if he didn't make that small, tiny mistake. And then we'd be reading about Harry Snape, who hated Proffesor Potter, his Potions master. Think about it, everything could have changed. Nah, if she had made the little friendship work out with Lily and Snape, we'd just be hearing about Harry Potter who was the son of James and Susan Potter or whoever he went on to marry. That was the name she wanted for her hero. But I do think Snape's biggest regret was his younger decisions that saw him joining Voldemort and turning to evil. At least I hope it was. -------------------- In Every Age, A Hero Rises... |
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Dec 30 2008, 01:17 PM
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Doctor Filibuster's Junior Assistant Posts: 1,977 Joined: 5:11pm May 4, 2007 Location: Texas |
QUOTE(wickedboy @ Dec 30 2008, 09:37 AM) But I do think Snape's biggest regret was his younger decisions that saw him joining Voldemort and turning to evil. At least I hope it was. You have no idea how much I wanted and expected this to be the case. I was absolutely convinced that Snape was on the right side and I was expecting Deathly Hallows to show how he had become remorseful for his Death Eater days and had sought to redeem himself for all the evil he had done. But alas, that wasn't the case. The only thing Snape ever regretted was Lily's death. He didn't even care if her family was wiped out, as long as she lived. I can find no evidence that he ever repented of his decision to join the Death Eaters other than that it cost him Lily. There was nothing altruistic about his conversion to the good side. That whole scenario was my greatest disappointment in the series.
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Dec 30 2008, 03:51 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 21 Joined: 5:57pm February 2, 2006 Location: Wonderland |
What a complex character! I agree with wickedboy. Snape was a bully and that should have been his biggest regret.
...but...I think his worst MEMORY is when Lily died, and his biggest REGRET is telling LV the prophecy, because it directly caused her death. Losing Lily's friendship didn't turn him from the darkside, but Lily losing her life made him turn to DD. but I still don't think he ever stopped loving the Dark Arts, he just hated LV more. I really don't think Lily was the kind of girl that would have ended up with Snape no matter what. Lily said him calling her that word was the last straw. Snape was never a good guy. He may have worked for the good guys eventually, but he himself wasn't really good. The only reason he worked for good was for revenge, kind of a bad reason... As wickedboy pointed out, he was a mean, nasty and viscious bully. He may not have been a coward in the sense that he was a double agent and constantly faced death but I think its cowardly to mentally abuse others to give yourself pleasure. so...I don't think in any way Lily ended up with James just because she wasn't with Snape. That is giving Snape too much power and influence. I don't really think one had anything to do with the other. I could imagine Lily would have ended up with James even if Snape had never called her a that word. I believe that Snape thinks things would have been different had he never called her that but really how could it have? Lily hated his friends, hated it that he was ready to join LV upon leaving school, she hated the dark arts and he loved them. What did they have in common that could give them a life together? To be friends with someone and be their lover/mate are two totally seperate things. -------------------- I prefer flying
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Jan 1 2009, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(harrydavid @ Dec 30 2008, 01:17 PM) QUOTE(wickedboy @ Dec 30 2008, 09:37 AM) But I do think Snape's biggest regret was his younger decisions that saw him joining Voldemort and turning to evil. At least I hope it was. You have no idea how much I wanted and expected this to be the case. I was absolutely convinced that Snape was on the right side and I was expecting Deathly Hallows to show how he had become remorseful for his Death Eater days and had sought to redeem himself for all the evil he had done. But alas, that wasn't the case. The only thing Snape ever regretted was Lily's death. He didn't even care if her family was wiped out, as long as she lived. I can find no evidence that he ever repented of his decision to join the Death Eaters other than that it cost him Lily. There was nothing altruistic about his conversion to the good side. That whole scenario was my greatest disappointment in the series.I agree completely. What I meant was it should have been his biggest regret because it was the biggest shame that occurred in his lifetime. But I agree he didn't see it that way - it remained all about his dream girl of 16 Lily. I too wanted him to have come to regret and have remorse for ALL of his death eater experiences. During the first war they were killing, maiming and kidnapping - doing things like we saw in DH happening to Charity Burbage and back then, Snape was clapping, spitting, cheering and AKing with the rest of them. So he had a lot to be sorry for in my opinion. And I agree he didn't have proper remorse for killing James or Orphaning Harry because he wouldn't have otherwise continued to demean them both throughout his life. At least I wouldn't dare do after having helped killed and orphan individuals. I wouldn't have mind his being a sarcastic and mean professor - but he took that too far as well when he shoved Harry onto the floor with all of his might in OOTP and whipped him in the face in HBP. So yeah, he ended up just being a mean, cruel and weak bully instead of a dark-natured strong individual working for the good side. That is what I had been hoping for. Of all the things to regret, that he could only find it for Lily is a shame. This post has been edited by wickedboy: Jan 1 2009, 11:22 AM -------------------- In Every Age, A Hero Rises... |
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Jan 1 2009, 11:46 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 3 Joined: 8:36pm December 28, 2007 |
I agree completely on the tought that since Snape was always selfish, the begining of the end of his friendship with Lily was his worst memery ever. He should regret all the bullying, but he was perfectly content and even happy, at the tought of violence. He however didnīt harm children physically in OotP.
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Jan 1 2009, 04:10 PM
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I myself consider shoving a kid with all of your might to the floor enacting harm against a child physically. Just because Harry wasn't hospitalized due to Snape's charge doesn't mean that he didn't use a physically abusive method of attack.
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Jan 3 2009, 12:40 AM
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Hiding in the Iron Maiden at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 311 Joined: 9:44am November 20, 2007 Location: NC |
I think it's rather silly to hold that particular chapter against Snape, considering he was beyond angry at Harry for being nosy and messing in his personal things (and seeing something he obviously had no reason/right to see). I'm not saying it was right, but he did no real harm to Harry in that scene and he most likely would have if he'd really wanted to. I'm not thinking of him as a teacher when he does that, and neither does Harry. In fact, I always thought Occlumency lessons with Harry had been the nicest I'd seen Snape pre-SWM.
Also, I don't think it's right that Snape bullies people, but I don't consider children quite as innocent as you do. I wouldn't consider his bullying of his students anymore wrong (or right) than his bullying of Tonks, Sirius, etc. And I don't really understand how his regretting the end of his relationship with Lily could be considered selfish. He regrets what he did that caused the relationship's end, so, if that makes him selfish, how would regretting his being cruel to people be any less selfish? Just because his regrets might revolve around one person instead of many, why does that make them selfish? My choices were: The end of his relationship with Lily and Lily's death at the hands of Voldemort. |
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