Snape's task to reach the Stone, A continuity error with Snape's task? |
 Apr 29 2007, 06:07 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 22 Joined: 4:04pm April 27, 2007 Location: UK  |
QUOTE(Tami @ Jan 3 2007, 09:24 AM) [snapback]1051171[/snapback] I wonder how Dumbledore got to the final room. Did he have a way to bypass the tasks? I think that Dumbledore could have umpteen ways of transporting himself throughout Hogwarts even if he couldn't use apparition - he is the headmaster! Also, he's suppossed to be the most powerful wizard alive, so I don't see why he couldn't just untrasfigure the chess set or destroy the locked door in the winged-key room... Plus, he probably was already told how to get past all the tasks by the teachers who made them - the only problem would be that he would know time was of the essence so he probably wouldn't want to pass the tasks by completing them. Maybe he just has a secret passageway to the last room which only he can use? Or some kind of magical doorway like Harry/Sirius' two-way mirrors except a version which you can travel through. Does anyone have any opinions or thoughts about the plausibility or probability of any of these ideas? |
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Apr 29 2007, 06:21 AM
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Hiding in the Iron Maiden at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 329 Joined: 12:05am January 11, 2007 Location: Sydney...the No.1 City in da world!!  |
QUOTE I think that Dumbledore could have umpteen ways of transporting himself throughout Hogwarts even if he couldn't use apparition - he is the headmaster! Also, he's suppossed to be the most powerful wizard alive, so I don't see why he couldn't just untrasfigure the chess set or destroy the locked door in the winged-key room... Plus, he probably was already told how to get past all the tasks by the teachers who made them - the only problem would be that he would know time was of the essence so he probably wouldn't want to pass the tasks by completing them. Maybe he just has a secret passageway to the last room which only he can use? Or some kind of magical doorway like Harry/Sirius' two-way mirrors except a version which you can travel through. Does anyone have any opinions or thoughts about the plausibility or probability of any of these ideas? Thats a good idea....i think that dumbledore has his shortcuts in hogwarts but i dont think he prefers using them..he probably thinks its slack on the students to walk a further distance from point A to point B without using the shortcuts while he can use them.. -------------------- I rule at sports, music and other stuff. In sports, i play cricket,football,tae kwon do,athletics and dirtbiking. I also am a guitarist and the lead vocalist in my band.
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Apr 29 2007, 02:15 PM
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Junior Dishwasher at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 615 Joined: 12:38pm January 26, 2007 Location: Sacsahuamán's Magical Academy |
If a bottle can be bewitched to allow its content to refill wouldn't be too easy to get an infinite amount of Philosopher's stone elixir with only needing to use it once?
I bewitch a bottle with a "permanent refilling" enchantment & then brew the elixir into it. The result: infinite elixir. I just destroy the stone & nobody else can have any more... of course there's a risk for the bottle to be stolen or broken. Well, repeat 7 or 13 or 23 or 100 times & put the bottles in many secures different places... this will in turn be even better if combined with just one horcrux & burying it in Mars. So, my conclusion that there's not such thing as a "permanent refilling" enchantment (at least not yet... and of course if it was, it should have been invented by Snape). There's an alternate non-brute force way to get pass through the potions riddle without actually solving it. Just by carring a bag of bezoars... maybe it be hard to guess what the tasks will be. But maybe if you don't want to solve it, you just can go back from where you were coming. So, eat a bezoar then drink a potion... if it's poison, you'll be safe; if it's wine, it won't matter; if it's the potion which takes you back, you return & follow with the next; it's just a matter of time to find the potion which takes you forward. Maybe the previous tasks could be resettable... but, as far as i can conclude, not the potions riddle. So, either Snape put extra doses for the forward potion or Quirrel found another way to go on (without the bezoar trick) just by counter-charming the flames. This post has been edited by Hatun punchaw: Apr 29 2007, 07:11 PM |
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Apr 29 2007, 04:14 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 22 Joined: 4:04pm April 27, 2007 Location: UK |
QUOTE(Hatun punchaw @ Apr 29 2007, 08:15 PM) [snapback]1199325[/snapback] If a bottle can be bewitched to allow its content to refill wouldn't be too easy to get an infinite amount of Philosopher's stone exilir with only needing to use it once? I bewitch a bottle with a "permanent refilling" enchantment & then brew the elixir into it. The result: infinite elixir. I just destroy the stone & nobody else can have any more... of course there's a risk for the bottle to be stolen or broken. Well, repeat 7 or 13 or 23 or 100 times & put the bottles in many secures different places... this will in turn be even better if combined with just one horcrux & burying it in Mars. I think that refilling bottle charms such as are used at the Hogwart's feasts only work if the amount of potion/drink already exists, I think it's probably only really a transportation charm. So perhaps, the bottle could refill if Snape made enough potion. I wonder what actually happens to the rest of the potions they vanish at the ends of lessons? For example, all that Felix Felicis that Slughorn vanished at the end of the lesson it was in... perhaps he put it all into a self-refilling bottle? I suppose then they are self-refilling bottles but they will run out in the end. |
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Apr 29 2007, 07:10 PM
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Junior Dishwasher at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 615 Joined: 12:38pm January 26, 2007 Location: Sacsahuamán's Magical Academy |
Well... It's clear that a self-refilling enchantment it's not the same as a permanent refilling enchantment.
A self-refilling will end sometime... So, the potions riddle task won't be able to reset itself ad infinitum... what it's indeed posible for all the other tasks. How long it takes (to Snape) to make on dose of the forward & backward potions? These indeed have teleportation capabilities... so this suggests they're more complex even than the polyjuice or felix felicis. How much time did the teachers have to prepare their tasks? Would that amount of time be enough for the Potions master to come up with the complete riddle & enogh doses to ensure long term resettability? |
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Oct 2 2009, 05:53 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 2 Joined: 2:50pm October 1, 2009 |
As someone said, a self-refilling spell would fade after a while, and someone else said that Snape would obviously know how much potion to put in a bottle. But he could have put extra in in case he thought the Hogwarts staff would for some reason need to retrieve the stone. It could have been enough for say, 3 people, but Quirrel was greedy and took more than necessary. Or just enough for two.
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Oct 7 2009, 02:00 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 31 Joined: 3:37am September 2, 2009 Location: Moaning Myrtle's bathroom brewing polyjuice potion |
The refilling charm always confused me because one of the rules of magic is that food cannot be created. I like the afore mentioned idea that it is refilled only if more exists. Snape would not need to make a whole lot of the potions because, come on, how many people are going to get to that room? How many people are even trying? It isn't like there is a parade going through or anything. If someone made it through, the staff would most likely find out about it, especially Dumbledore, who seemed to know what went on in his school at all times, even from London.
As for Dumbledore getting to the mirror room, who says he cannot apparate? I know, I know. You cannot apparate in Hogwarts. Lest we not forget that the headmaster has the power to undo this charm, as he did in the Deathly Hallows for their lesson. Also, had he not undid the enchantment, there are beings that are able to apparate within the walls, such as his faithful pet Fawkes, who uses this gift to help him escape in OoTP. -------------------- ~"People fear most that which they do not understand."~
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Oct 26 2009, 09:11 AM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 369 Joined: 11:51am June 12, 2007 Location: Robert Johnson School, Mojo at the Crossroads, Yazoo Bottoms, USA |
QUOTE(melj1213 @ Jan 2 2007, 07:12 PM)  ... if that bottle was full when Harry drank from it, how did Quirrell get through? We know he had to complete all of the other tasks from the clues left behind - a harp in Fluffy's chamber, the key with the bent wing in the key chamber, the knocked out Troll, so why was the potion left for Harry instead of an empty bottle? Generally, the protections Hogwarts' faculty put up weren't intended to keep out any adult, qualified wizard. All of those "protections" were vastly weaker than many faculty could have managed. We know this from the end of the Tale; to cite one example: McGonogall could have transfigured the chess set to attack, not merely play the game. Locomotor, or whatever it was. Those (so-called) protections were intended to test the Trio's mettle, their ability to perform, under pressure, feats they'd done before: Hermione's blue fire and logic; Ron's chess playing; Harry's flying and his pure heart. Faculty's faulty protections were (not merely) relatively weak; they were irrelevant to defeating Quirrelmort. Dumbledore's Mirror was sufficient to that end, there being absolutely no chance that QM would see himself (merely) recovering the Stone. This is a long way of saying: Quirrelmort got thru by means other than those the Trio used. These may include but surely are not limited to: Summoning the key; Confunding the chess pieces; some (unknown) counter-charm (per hatum punchaw) to defeat the flames, perhaps along the line of those Tickling charms we're told were used in the Time of Persecutions. Etc. Otherwise: Agree with the idea that Replenishing works only if there is a portion of stuff remaining. Meals at Hogwarts, as has been mentioned, are one example; another is Harry's Felix-inspired refilling the wine bottles during Aragog's Memorial Service at Hagrid's hut. Finally: it is, imo, unreasonable to suppose that Quirrelmort would have consumed only a small portion of Snape's Forward Potion. If he needed it (which, imo, he did not) he'd have swilled all of it. Why not? What would he have been saving it for? Moreover: if he needed it (which, imo, he did not) what would cause him to imagine he needed just a bit of it, but not all of it? Better safe than sorry. It didn't come in an Hagrid-sized jug; it came in the smallest of 7 bottles. Edited by Dreamteam, to remove a Trick or Treat. This post has been edited by Dreamteam: Nov 7 2009, 05:06 PM |
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