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Snape's task to reach the Stone, A continuity error with Snape's task?

melj1213 View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 06:12 PM Post #1
Scribbulus Everchanging Inks Changer Posts: 1,321 Joined: 4:10pm September 28, 2005 Location: Sat in the Leaky Cauldron with Harry, Ron Hermione, Ginny, Neville and Luna - drinking Butterbeer!!!	I was answering a different thread on the tasks and I thought of something strange, that i had never thought of before. Snape's task on the way to the Stone, is a logic riddle, and they have to work out which bottle to drink from to advance through the black flames. However, the bottle Harry needed to drink from to advance onwards was the smallest one, and barely had enough for a mouthful and we are told that Harry drained it. But my problem is: if that bottle was full when Harry drank from it, how did Quirrell get through? We know he had to complete all of the other tasks from the clues left behind - a harp in Fluffy's chamber, the key with the bent wing in the key chamber, the knocked out Troll, so why was the potion left for Harry instead of an empty bottle? I only thought about this a short time ago, but it has been bugging me ever since....can anyone think of a resonable explaination for it? -------------------- My name is Jean Valjean! And I'm Javert. Do not forget me 24601! Long live Les Mis! Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon, doesn't mean we all have!--Hermione

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Hannibal Granger View Member Profile	Oct 26 2009, 09:11 AM Post #2
Monster Book Stacker Posts: 394 Joined: 11:51am June 12, 2007 Location: Robert Johnson School, Mojo at the Crossroads, Yazoo Bottoms, USA	QUOTE(melj1213 @ Jan 2 2007, 07:12 PM) ... if that bottle was full when Harry drank from it, how did Quirrell get through? We know he had to complete all of the other tasks from the clues left behind - a harp in Fluffy's chamber, the key with the bent wing in the key chamber, the knocked out Troll, so why was the potion left for Harry instead of an empty bottle? Generally, the protections Hogwarts' faculty put up weren't intended to keep out any adult, qualified wizard. All of those "protections" were vastly weaker than many faculty could have managed. We know this from the end of the Tale; to cite one example: McGonogall could have transfigured the chess set to attack, not merely play the game. Locomotor, or whatever it was. Those (so-called) protections were intended to test the Trio's mettle, their ability to perform, under pressure, feats they'd done before: Hermione's blue fire and logic; Ron's chess playing; Harry's flying and his pure heart. Faculty's faulty protections were (not merely) relatively weak; they were irrelevant to defeating Quirrelmort. Dumbledore's Mirror was sufficient to that end, there being absolutely no chance that QM would see himself (merely) recovering the Stone. This is a long way of saying: Quirrelmort got thru by means other than those the Trio used. These may include but surely are not limited to: Summoning the key; Confunding the chess pieces; some (unknown) counter-charm (per hatum punchaw) to defeat the flames, perhaps along the line of those Tickling charms we're told were used in the Time of Persecutions. Etc. Otherwise: Agree with the idea that Replenishing works only if there is a portion of stuff remaining. Meals at Hogwarts, as has been mentioned, are one example; another is Harry's Felix-inspired refilling the wine bottles during Aragog's Memorial Service at Hagrid's hut. Finally: it is, imo, unreasonable to suppose that Quirrelmort would have consumed only a small portion of Snape's Forward Potion. If he needed it (which, imo, he did not) he'd have swilled all of it. Why not? What would he have been saving it for? Moreover: if he needed it (which, imo, he did not) what would cause him to imagine he needed just a bit of it, but not all of it? Better safe than sorry. It didn't come in an Hagrid-sized jug; it came in the smallest of 7 bottles. Edited by Dreamteam, to remove a Trick or Treat. This post has been edited by Dreamteam: Nov 7 2009, 05:06 PM

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melj1213 Snape's task to reach the Stone Jan 2 2007, 06:12 PM

jammi567 maybe because it was self-refilling, so that any p... Jan 2 2007, 06:17 PM

Pleione I don't think the bottle was full when Harry d... Jan 2 2007, 06:17 PM

SoonerGryffindor QUOTE(Pleione @ Jan 2 2007, 05:17 PM) 105... Jan 3 2007, 02:51 AM

wasps The only thing i can think of... is that it refill... Jan 2 2007, 06:20 PM

melj1213 They were both things I thought of, but the though... Jan 2 2007, 06:24 PM

xenawarriorprincess Have had a look and it maybe an error, all it says... Jan 2 2007, 07:34 PM

Overcast I always thought that Quirrell and Voldemort didn... Jan 2 2007, 11:09 PM

Tami Hmm... I always assumed that the tasks kind of res... Jan 3 2007, 03:24 AM

lydsr QUOTE(Tami @ Jan 3 2007, 08:24 AM) 105117... Jan 11 2007, 06:54 AM

samscool QUOTE(Tami @ Jan 3 2007, 09:24 AM) 105117... Apr 29 2007, 06:06 AM

samscool QUOTE(Tami @ Jan 3 2007, 09:24 AM) 105117... Apr 29 2007, 06:07 AM

lilian QUOTEI don't think the bottle was full when Ha... Jan 3 2007, 07:09 AM

Eleonore QUOTEAlthough I wonder how Dumbledore got to the f... Jan 3 2007, 08:31 AM

DumbleDebbie QUOTE(SoonerGryffindor @ Jan 3 2007, 02:5... Jan 3 2007, 09:13 AM

Lady M. It allcomes down to this: Snape is a genius, he kn... Jan 4 2007, 06:13 AM

CapperiaPotter This is just theory, but is it if at all possible... Jan 5 2007, 02:00 PM

Hufflepuff forever I have always had the view that there was only eno... Jan 5 2007, 02:34 PM

molly-coral QUOTECapperiaPotter: He was nervous of someone try... Jan 5 2007, 02:37 PM

VBug119 QUOTE "Got it," she said. "The sma... Jan 6 2007, 01:44 PM

blue_dreamer I thought that Quirrel had help and did not have t... Jan 6 2007, 01:56 PM

VBug119 I think Quirrel did have to work his way through t... Jan 6 2007, 02:18 PM

melj1213 I found this explaination of the Riddle on the HP ... Jan 6 2007, 02:19 PM

xenawarriorprincess Thankyou for taking the time to do that, i was alw... Jan 6 2007, 02:46 PM

fawkes28 This is a modly reminder to stay focused on the to... Jan 6 2007, 06:42 PM

jammi567 for all we know, the bottles could've been bla... Jan 6 2007, 06:52 PM

melj1213 That's kinda what I thought, because it would ... Jan 6 2007, 07:04 PM

Dutch_HP_fan i think the task resets itself just like the chess... Jan 7 2007, 03:29 PM

melj1213 That was another part of my thinking - if Quirrell... Jan 7 2007, 04:23 PM

MarkPotter i think that Snapes Potions were there to confuse ... Jan 8 2007, 12:58 AM

MarkPotter So The Chess pieces were, resetable, i think that ... Jan 16 2007, 02:43 AM

lydsr QUOTE(MarkPotter @ Jan 16 2007, 07:43 AM)... Jan 16 2007, 07:08 AM

The Sportz Freak im quite sure quirell didnt drink all of it so har... Jan 16 2007, 03:47 AM

Alan_Rickman_Fan_2005 My thinking, now that you mentioned it. Is that ev... Jan 18 2007, 09:08 PM

MarkPotter Ok, i see what you mean lydsr, now you say it, i t... Jan 18 2007, 09:15 PM

melj1213 QUOTE(MarkPotter @ Jan 19 2007, 02:15 AM)... Jan 19 2007, 01:15 AM

lydsr i dont think there is necessarily any reasoning be... Jan 20 2007, 08:46 AM

~FlashBack~ If the tasks really do reset themselves as so many... Jan 20 2007, 09:45 AM

lydsr QUOTE(~FlashBack~ @ Jan 20 2007, 02:45 PM... Jan 20 2007, 01:14 PM

bluwolf/sam QUOTE(~FlashBack~ @ Jan 20 2007, 09:45 AM... Jan 20 2007, 09:54 AM

Potterite I think that the tasks do reset themselves. As in... Jan 20 2007, 12:40 PM

The Sportz Freak QUOTEI think that Dumbledore could have umpteen wa... Apr 29 2007, 06:21 AM

Hatun punchaw If a bottle can be bewitched to allow its content ... Apr 29 2007, 02:15 PM

samscool QUOTE(Hatun punchaw @ Apr 29 2007, 08:15 ... Apr 29 2007, 04:14 PM

Hatun punchaw Well... It's clear that a self-refilling encha... Apr 29 2007, 07:10 PM

weflyofcourse As someone said, a self-refilling spell would fade... Oct 2 2009, 05:53 PM

CharlieNevin The refilling charm always confused me because one... Oct 7 2009, 02:00 PM

Hannibal Granger QUOTE(melj1213 @ Jan 2 2007, 07:12 PM) ..... Oct 26 2009, 09:11 AM

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