How Do You Steal A Highly Guarded Horcrux?, How did someone succeed in stealing the locket? |
 Jun 30 2006, 12:21 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 146 Joined: 8:44am July 21, 2005 Location: Reading Percy's report about dodgy cauldrens   |
Well i think the disscussion about who RAB is has finally reached the point where everyone is agreeing with each other. RAB is Regulus Black.
So, lets disscuss how RAB managed to steal the locket. My personal theory is that RAB, believed by LV to be a loyal servant, or a dispencable one, assisted LV when he was hiding the locket. Perhaps whilst pouring a thirst indusing brew over the locket in the cauldren RAB switched the locket for some beat up old one from Borgin and Burks. The perfect crime, with the potion encasing the locket LV isn't going to tell RAB to drink it just to check. -------------------- 'Oh, very good,' interrupted Snape, his lip curling. 'Yes, it is easy to see that nearly six years of magical education have not been wasted on you, Potter. Ghosts are transparent..... A five year old could have told us as much,' sneered Snape."
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Jun 30 2006, 12:44 PM
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Hi there! This thread belongs in History of Magic, so off it goes!
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Jun 30 2006, 01:08 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 15 Joined: 3:22pm June 26, 2006 |
those are really important points. but i can't remeber if sirius said if his brother died before or after voldemort lost his powers. that is actually a very good theory. i agree that could be right but i'd say that RAB didn't steal the locket the first time because that might be too obvious. and since sirius said that his brother (and i'm not sure if i'm remebering exactly) started to i guess i'll say see the wrong in his ways. so that might have been when he stole it. good theory though.
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Jun 30 2006, 01:08 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 30 Joined: 9:24am June 28, 2006 |
DeathEater22,
I agree with you about Regulus switching the locket.. but the question I have (& sorry if someone answered this before) when everyone was cleaning out Sirius' family house & they found the locket..they threw it into a big garbage bag. Do we know if the locket is gone, out the with trash, possibly Kreacher kept it before they could get rid of it.. how can Harry destroy it if it's missing or gone? |
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Jun 30 2006, 02:17 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 146 Joined: 8:44am July 21, 2005 Location: Reading Percy's report about dodgy cauldrens |
QUOTE but i can't remeber if sirius said if his brother died before or after voldemort lost his powers. Sirius said that Regulus was killed by LV for being unfaithful, so it's more likely to be before LV lost his powers QUOTE DeathEater22, I agree with you about Regulus switching the locket.. but the question I have (& sorry if someone answered this before) when everyone was cleaning out Sirius' family house & they found the locket..they threw it into a big garbage bag. Do we know if the locket is gone, out the with trash, possibly Kreacher kept it before they could get rid of it.. how can Harry destroy it if it's missing or gone? There's a good chance that magpie like Kreacher gathered shiny things. If not, then its going to be very hard to find the locket, I'd advise starting at next door's skip. An easy way to get rid of metal i believe. -------------------- 'Oh, very good,' interrupted Snape, his lip curling. 'Yes, it is easy to see that nearly six years of magical education have not been wasted on you, Potter. Ghosts are transparent..... A five year old could have told us as much,' sneered Snape."
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Jun 30 2006, 03:18 PM
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Personal Secretary to The Minister of Magic  Posts: 9,192 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK |
According to the Black family tree Regulus died a couple of years before Voldmeort vapourized himself. Sirius presumes that some death eater killed him when Regulus tried to back out of being a death eater, though it seems Sirius is guessing about that, so if RAB=Regulus, then Regulus could have died as a result of drinking the potion that Dumbledore drank. But the timing is wrong for Regulus to be involved in the original hiding of the locket horcrux, because Voldemort made that horcrux soon after leaving school, so he would surely have placed it in its final hiding place before Regulus was even born.
Having said that, Regulus could still have found out about the cave while fulfilling his role as a death eater, or another death eater might have let something slip. --------------------  W.L.Y.J. We love you Jo |
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Jun 30 2006, 04:04 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 133 Joined: 8:45pm June 19, 2006 |
I like the theory of Regulus bringing Kreacher with him to drink the potion. It would explain why he is so much more insane than all of the other House Elves, and Regulus, being a mediocre wizard (actually, I'm just guessing that, because no one has said whether or not he was talented), would be safe with a House Elf. They are powerfully magical. DD fought after he had drunk the potion, why would Kreacher be incapacitated? Also, LV said in GoF that the DE knew the measures to which he went to become immortal. He would know about the Horcruxes. Now, either he is more astute than we know, or whether someone "let slip" information about the location (Snape, perhaps?, because he was a very loyal DE, and may know of the Horcruxes locations. Or Bella? She's family, she would probably trust a fellow black...), because he obviously knew the location of the horcrux to be able to steal it.
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Jun 30 2006, 04:42 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 15 Joined: 3:22pm June 26, 2006 |
i do think it extremely possible that regulus stole the locket before voldemort lost power.... when that time was its hard to say but the note from RAB states that he (RAB) will be dead by the time voldemort reads the note so does that mean that regulus knew that voldemort was set on killing him and that maybe regulus stole the horcrux out of revenge.. just before his death
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 Jul 1 2006, 04:05 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 146 Joined: 8:44am July 21, 2005 Location: Reading Percy's report about dodgy cauldrens |
QUOTE(devanbalcombe @ Jul 1 2006, 02:42 AM) [snapback]871236[/snapback] i do think it extremely possible that regulus stole the locket before voldemort lost power.... when that time was its hard to say but the note from RAB states that he (RAB) will be dead by the time voldemort reads the note so does that mean that regulus knew that voldemort was set on killing him and that maybe regulus stole the horcrux out of revenge.. just before his death Yes, even with my theory, if LV wanted someone to help him hide a horcrux he would probably make sure it was someone that didn't matter that much so he could kill him afterwards. Therefore, only LV would know the location of the Horcrux.  QUOTE I like the theory of Regulus bringing Kreacher with him to drink the potion. It would explain why he is so much more insane than all of the other House Elves, and Regulus, being a mediocre wizard (actually, I'm just guessing that, because no one has said whether or not he was talented), would be safe with a House Elf Me and my friend were disscussing the Kreature theory. But i think that if Dumbledore hadn't drank something else he would have died. So perhaps the potion has a lesser or different effect on non-human entities? That or Kreature didn't drink the potion. But i have to say that the Kreature theory does seem likely. About the fact that Regulus hadn't even been born, well, Bella, his cousin, was alive and a follower of LV at the time so its possible Regulus was alive. Just a thought, did sirius say Regulus was an older brother or a younger brother? I've lent my book to someone otherwise i'd look it up myself. QUOTE Having said that, Regulus could still have found out about the cave while fulfilling his role as a death eater, or another death eater might have let something slip. So if Regulus did steal it after it was hidden how did he do it? 
-------------------- 'Oh, very good,' interrupted Snape, his lip curling. 'Yes, it is easy to see that nearly six years of magical education have not been wasted on you, Potter. Ghosts are transparent..... A five year old could have told us as much,' sneered Snape."
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Jul 1 2006, 10:20 AM
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Shopping for a New Firebolt Posts: 844 Joined: 9:18pm July 24, 2005 |
I have thought about this, and I have coem to the conclusion that R.A.B was a very powerful witch or wizzard, had help, or had a level of responsibility involving this horcrux that made things much easier.
Now, I personally think the later. It is possible that R.A.B. either helped setup the protections and so knew an easier way to get to teh locket than drinking the potion, or overheard how to get to it in his duties as a DE. I believe there was an easier way to get the locket, but only if one knew the exact spell to displace this potion, or had prepared another potion to drink or add to the potion that countered the effects. The reason I believe this to be true is two fold. First, LV would nto subject himself to this torture, and he would not want a second person there if he ever had to get the locket. Now, why might R.A.B. have been given this information? It is certainly possible that LV knew before hand that he would not be able to use the horcruxes on his own if something happened, but would need servants to help him. He might have come up with his potion of restoration later and figured the only way to restore himself involved using the horcruxes. If this were the case, he might have told R.A.B how to get to a horcrux and how to help him, or R.A.B might have overheard him telling someone else. It is my oppinion that he would not tell any single DE where more than one or two horcruxes could be found because he didn't trust any of them enough. I also doubt he would tell more than one or two DE's about a given horcrux. Finally, I do think Regulus was R.A.B. |
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