Sunday's Chat Which Has Not Yet Been Renamed, 8/12/07 - Jo's Bloomsbury WebChat Discussion, Part 1 |
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[14:56] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [14:56] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Bloomsbury webchat discussion, part 1 (Aislinn) [15:01] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:01] <futureweasley> hello cloudpic [15:01] <fawkes28> Donna! [15:01] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:01] *** kneazlegirl has joined #lounge [15:01] <cloudpic> Hi! [15:01] <futureweasley> hi Jane [15:01] <futureweasley> hi kneazlegirl [15:01] <fawkes28> or cloudpic laugh [15:01] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:01] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:01] *** shesapirate has joined #lounge [15:01] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:01] <cloudpic> Howdy Jane, Fawkes, future... kneazle... well all! [15:02] <kneazlegirl> Hello! [15:02] <futureweasley> hello shesapirate [15:02] <fawkes28> hello all - good to see you [15:02] <shesapirate> Hello everyone!! [15:02] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:02] <futureweasley> we're back!! [15:02] <Aislinn> woot! [15:02] <JaneMarple9> hey all!!!!!!!!! [15:02] <cloudpic> Whoop! [15:02] <futureweasley> ready to dish DH and all its glory!! [15:03] <fawkes28> no wooting in the booth, Aislinn [15:03] <fawkes28> eyebrow [15:03] <futureweasley> woot [15:03] <futureweasley> woot [15:03] <fawkes28> no future [15:03] <cloudpic> My, some things don't change [15:03] <fawkes28> i didn't start it [15:03] <futureweasley> the fact that fawkes has a woot wand up her backside? [15:03] <cloudpic> LOLOL [15:03] <futureweasley> nope, that will never change [15:03] <fawkes28> i do have a wand now [15:03] <fawkes28> and i am not afraid to use it [15:03] <Aislinn> actually, I'm a big fan of the new suggestion - Ni! [15:03] <cloudpic> I do believe that could be inflamatory... literally [15:04] <fawkes28> blah - i dont like Ni [15:04] *** Rudius has joined #lounge [15:04] <futureweasley> the knights who say NIGH! [15:04] <fawkes28> hey Rudi [15:04] <futureweasley> hi Rudius [15:04] <Aislinn> Rudius - Ni! [15:04] <Rudius> helleaux [15:04] <Rudius> Ni! [15:04] <cloudpic> oh.. fiddle...gotta go and we're not even started.... hope to be back! [15:04] <JaneMarple9> i love sundays in the booth w00t2 [15:04] <fawkes28> woo hoo just works fine [15:04] <cloudpic> me too ;( [15:04] <Aislinn> hope so too, cloudpic [15:04] <cloudpic> bye! [15:04] <kneazlegirl> I'm fairly new to these chats. [15:04] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:04] <kneazlegirl> I keep missing them. [15:04] <Rudius> what? was it something I said?? [15:04] <shesapirate> Me too!! This is my first one. [15:05] *** HeliumHead has joined #lounge [15:05] <kneazlegirl> biggrin [15:05] <fawkes28> the chats are the best [15:05] <fawkes28> my favorite part of the lounge [15:05] <Aislinn> they have been a bit more random since right before the book release, but we're back on our regular schedule now. [15:05] <Rudius> lol [15:05] <fawkes28> We wait until quarter after to start the official part of the chat [15:05] <futureweasley> hi Helium [15:05] <JaneMarple9> and mine too Fawkes - they're so much fun!! [15:05] <HeliumHead> hello [15:05] <Aislinn> Wed, 7-9pm eastern, Sat. 1-3pm eastern, and Sundays 3-5pm eastern [15:06] <futureweasley> hem, hem [15:06] <shesapirate> Wed. and Sun. are good for me...I thought they were only on Sat. [15:06] <shesapirate> That's good to know [15:06] <Rudius> Oh hi shesapirate [15:06] <kneazlegirl> Great, I'll try to be here [15:06] <shesapirate> Hi Rudius! [15:07] <Rudius> good to see your about [15:07] <Rudius> i like the avatar btw [15:07] <shesapirate> Thanks!! Which one? [15:07] <Rudius> the teddy bear one [15:07] <Aislinn> that is cute [15:07] <shesapirate> The bear?? =) [15:07] <fawkes28> you have such a fun name, shesapirate [15:08] <shesapirate> Thank you!! I couldn't think of anything more HP-related, so I had to go with my other obsession. [15:08] <Rudius> lol [15:08] <Rudius> *cough*CaptainJackSparrow*cough* [15:09] <shesapirate> Hee, hee, I'm listening to the soundtracks now... [15:09] <shesapirate> I'm so interested in everyone's name! [15:09] <Rudius> lol [15:09] <futureweasley> the POTC soundtrack? [15:10] <shesapirate> Yep. [15:10] <fawkes28> i love Jack Sparrow - such a great character [15:10] <shesapirate> At World's End [15:10] <futureweasley> cool...I love that score [15:10] <Rudius> which one? [15:10] <Rudius> i still have to watch Worlds End [15:10] *** Dreamteam has joined #lounge [15:10] <futureweasley> I haven't seen the third one either [15:10] <shesapirate> It is sooo good!! My favorite. [15:10] <futureweasley> hi dreamteam [15:10] <fawkes28> hey dreamteam [15:10] <shesapirate> Hi Dreamteam! [15:11] <JaneMarple9> not watched any of the Pirates films...I prefer Potter myself smile [15:11] <kneazlegirl> PotC has great music. [15:11] <Rudius> hey dreamteam [15:11] <fawkes28> i still like the first one the best [15:11] <Dreamteam> hi everyone [15:11] <JaneMarple9> hi dreamteam! [15:11] *** georgesear has joined #lounge [15:11] <fawkes28> hey georgesear [15:11] <HeliumHead> i dreamteam and georgesear [15:11] <Rudius> the second one was not as good as the first methinks [15:11] <shesapirate> Hi Georgesear! Love your name [15:11] *** mrh216 has joined #lounge [15:11] <georgesear> Hi, thanks, what are talking about? [15:11] <Rudius> oh, hi georgesear [15:11] <shesapirate> Everyone says that, but I like the second and third better. [15:11] *** Mrs has joined #lounge [15:12] <Aislinn> hi mrs [15:12] <Aislinn> and mrh216 [15:12] <Mrs> Hi! [15:12] <kneazlegirl> Hi everyone who just joined! [15:12] <mrh216> Hi [15:12] <shesapirate> Hi everyone! [15:12] <Aislinn> we're going to be starting in just a few minutes [15:12] <futureweasley> hello Mrs [15:12] <futureweasley> and Mrh [15:12] <Aislinn> and will be talking about the Bloomsbury webchat that Jo did [15:13] <mrh216> hey [15:13] <futureweasley> did I get disconnected? [15:13] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [15:13] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:13] <fawkes28> nope, you are here [15:13] <futureweasley> good [15:13] <futureweasley> phew [15:14] <Rudius> ok for the sake of my own sanity.... we are talking about the one that she did a few weeks ago right? [15:14] <fawkes28> yes, sir [15:14] <futureweasley> lol, yes [15:14] <kneazlegirl> Has it been that long already? [15:14] <futureweasley> it has! can you believe it? [15:14] <fawkes28> times flies when you are having fun [15:14] <kneazlegirl> It feels like the book just came out. [15:14] <mrh216> seriously [15:14] <shesapirate> It does!! [15:15] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [15:15] <futureweasley> ok, let's get it started then [15:15] <Aislinn> hey Questauthor [15:15] *** Granjo has joined #lounge [15:15] <Questauthor> Hello all! [15:15] <fawkes28> hey questauthor! [15:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [15:15] <fawkes28> hey grnajo [15:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:15] <futureweasley> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:15] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:16] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:16] <fawkes28> Now that the final book has been released, Jo is finally able to answer all of the many questions that we have that were not answered in the books. She seems quite as eager as we are to discuss these books and characters. [15:16] <fawkes28> One of the best sources of these answers is the Bloomsbury web chat held on 30 July. Let's explore these questions and Jo's answers for them. [15:16] <fawkes28> We learn that Kingsley Shacklebolt becomes permanent Minister for Magic and that he reforms the Ministry. Do you think he is the best choice for the job? [15:16] <Rudius> yes indeed [15:16] <futureweasley> Kingsley rocks [15:16] <Questauthor> Oh, I think he is a fantastic choice [15:16] <fawkes28> I loved this choice [15:16] <futureweasley> level-headed, fair-minded [15:16] <HeliumHead> Fine choice [15:16] <futureweasley> he's a great choice [15:16] <mrh216> he's perfect for it [15:16] <Mrs> I think he's great, perfect choice [15:16] <shesapirate> Definitely. He is strong enough, [15:16] <Granjo> very good [15:17] <fawkes28> we have had such terrible ministers in the past - i had given up hope for a good one [15:17] <JaneMarple9> great choice [15:17] <Aislinn> I think he proved his competence during his time as assistant to the Muggle Minister [15:17] <Questauthor> Throughout the series he has been a strong character with high morals [15:17] <Rudius> also he has good ties with the muggle PM [15:17] <Aislinn> and we know his values are good, since he is a member of the Order [15:17] <futureweasley> me too Questauthor [15:17] <JaneMarple9> he was a good judge of character [15:17] <Dreamteam> A greate choice, he already has good connections with the Muggle world [15:17] <Dreamteam> A greate choice, he already has good connections with the Muggle world [15:17] <fawkes28> yes, Questauthor - he has earned respect from his peers [15:17] <Rudius> well dung was amember of the order too.... [15:17] <Mrs> I mean hey, Vernon Dursley liked him! [15:17] <Granjo> leadership qualities and experience [15:17] <georgesear> I think he's a good choice, as Rudius said, he also knows PM [15:17] <fawkes28> that is very true, dreamteam [15:17] <Questauthor> He can inspire confidence in muggles [15:17] <fawkes28> i think it is important to have that connection to the other world [15:18] *** Kwikspell has joined #lounge [15:18] <mrh216> He has that aura of authority too [15:18] <fawkes28> hey kwikspell! smile [15:18] <Aislinn> hi Kwikspell [15:18] <Dreamteam> hi Kwikspell [15:18] <georgesear> Hey Kwikspell [15:18] <Questauthor> Kwikspell! [15:18] <Rudius> hi Kwikspell [15:18] <kneazlegirl> We don't know all that much about Kingsley, but he always seemed reliable. [15:18] <Dreamteam> he's well respected by the WW [15:18] <Granjo> hey Kwick [15:18] <fawkes28> yes, mrh216 - he does seem to command respect without being bossy [15:18] <shesapirate> Hi Kwikspell! [15:18] <Questauthor> He's an auror, he has good political ties muggle and magic [15:18] <Kwikspell> Hi guys! [15:18] <Questauthor> I thnk he's more than competent [15:18] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [15:18] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:19] <fawkes28> it is a shame that it took so long to get a good minister [15:19] <Aislinn> It's interesting to me that he was made the permanent Minister - I've often wondered how the Ministers were selected [15:19] <futureweasley> and he proved to be such an asset to Harry and the Wizarding World in book 7 [15:19] <Questauthor> We never found out if there was a formal voting process, did we? [15:19] <futureweasley> I don't see Kingsley as being a "short-term" minister, either [15:19] <fawkes28> but i guess idiorts like fudge and scrimgeou make the story more interesting [15:19] <mrh216> no [15:19] <JaneMarple9> kingsley was a great choice [15:19] <Aislinn> no, I don't think we did [15:19] <georgesear> I kept expecting him to get killed in all the fighting... [15:19] <Rudius> well there seems to be something of that nature [15:19] <JaneMarple9> he knew right from wrong [15:19] <Questauthor> It was a bloodbath so I was expecting him to die too [15:20] <Questauthor> glad he didnt tho [15:20] <HeliumHead> yes, i've always wondered about wizarding politics [15:20] <Mrs> I love that his patronus was a lynx [15:20] <Kwikspell> How do ministers get "elected"? [15:20] <shesapirate> I don't think it's voting. [15:20] <Rudius> the wizarding communiy ousted fudge within 2 weeks of the news breaking about Voldemort [15:20] <mrh216> I always wondered about the selection process [15:20] <shesapirate> Bc everyone wanted Dumbledore to be minister [15:20] <fawkes28> What types of changes do you feel that Kingsley put in place? [15:20] <georgesear> maybe the Wizengamot does the appointing or electing [15:20] <Granjo> we don''t know [15:20] <shesapirate> So why wouldn't they have just voted for him? [15:20] <Questauthor> More muggle tolerance [15:20] <kneazlegirl> Probably rights for non-humans. [15:20] <Questauthor> I wonder about the secrecy decree [15:20] <Rudius> apparently he cleaned up the ministry [15:20] <Questauthor> will it be revisited? [15:20] <fawkes28> i think he would have made some changes in regards to magical creatures [15:20] <futureweasley> he had to reorganize the entire Ministry, didn't he? [15:20] <Questauthor> hopefully so [15:21] <mrh216> less emphasis on blood status [15:21] <georgesear> Mainly root out the corruption - no more Galleons changing hands for favors [15:21] <mrh216> if any at all\ [15:21] <Questauthor> Man, getting rid of all the death eaters had to be a hassle [15:21] <Mrs> I'm sure he definately cleaned up the ministry [15:21] <futureweasley> I mean, they lost a LOT of people in primary positions [15:21] <HeliumHead> probably more transparencey in the ministry [15:21] <Rudius> no, questauthor i dont think so - that is not a british specific law [15:21] <Questauthor> REbuild ties with the centaurs, the goblins [15:21] <fawkes28> first, i think he put competent people in charge of the major offices [15:21] <Aislinn> yes it did, Questauthor [15:21] <JaneMarple9> it's a hard job to be Minister of Magic [15:21] <fawkes28> and i am sure he thought of a fair and just way to hold prisoners [15:22] *** Questauthor has quit [Bye] [15:22] <Granjo> He has to have prioritised. [15:22] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [15:22] <JaneMarple9> he has to repair all the damage umbridge and her friends did [15:22] <Aislinn> it probably took quite a while to replace all of the corrupt officials *coughUmbridgecough* [15:22] <Dreamteam> he would have needed to find an alternattive to the Dementors [15:22] <Granjo> Get rid of the scum [15:22] <fawkes28> definitely, Aislinn [15:22] <Questauthor> True, Dreamteam, who's keeping track over at Azkaban? [15:22] <georgesear> Dreamteam, maybe just regular prison guards. [15:22] <Mrs> I would have loved to see a chapter titled "the sacking of Umbridge" [15:22] <Granjo> get a good group of ministers in place. [15:22] <Questauthor> Oh yes, Mrs. [15:22] <mrh216> me too Mrs [15:22] <Rudius> more wizarding jobs - prison guards [15:23] <Kwikspell> Me, too, Mrs! How did they get rid of her? [15:23] <shesapirate> Yes Mrs!! Maybe in the encyclopedia [15:23] <Questauthor> Giants for guards might work! altho they'd just fight each other [15:23] <shesapirate> Maybe trolls [15:23] <Granjo> Reform wizard law. [15:23] <Kwikspell> I like the idea of giants, Questauthor [15:23] <kneazlegirl> Without dementors, how would they keep prisoners from using magic? [15:23] <fawkes28> it must have taken a few years to simply rebuild the wizarding world - think how much damage their was [15:23] <Mrs> hahaha, trolls in charge oa Azkaban! love it [15:23] <georgesear> JK said that she was tried and put in Azkaban Kwikspell [15:23] <Aislinn> and it wasn't just staff that needed to be replace - there were a lot of laws that needed to be modified. [15:23] <Rudius> i doubt trolls would have worked - theyre not smart enough [15:23] <HeliumHead> well i would assume that they have their wand taken away [15:23] <Questauthor> Yes, and the wizengamot had to be relooked at, I'm sure [15:24] <fawkes28> right, it just doesn't happen overnight [15:24] <Mrs> or maybe they could just lock a troll up with Umbridge [15:24] <georgesear> just regular wizards at the prison with lots of security enchantments [15:24] <fawkes28> he had a lot of support from the Order, i am sure [15:24] *** the_heir_of_ravenclaw has joined #lounge [15:24] <Kwikspell> I wonder how many ministry official ended up in Azkaban. A lot of them were complicit in the Muggle Born Registration Commission [15:24] <Dreamteam> I like that idea [15:24] <JaneMarple9> thats a little cruel to the Troll Mrs! laugh [15:24] <Dreamteam> sorry, I like the idea of a Troll with Umbridge LOL [15:24] <Aislinn> probably some weasled out by claiming to be Imperiused, Kwikspell [15:24] <fawkes28> hello the_heir_of_ravenclaw [15:24] <JaneMarple9> even Trolls don't desrve that! [15:24] <Mrs> hmm, true... poor troll [15:24] <Rudius> a centaur guard would be better for her [15:25] <the_heir_of_ravenclaw> hi! [15:25] <fawkes28> Harry turns out to have followed his chosen career path, becoming an Auror and eventually heading up the Auror department. Given Harry's reservations about the Ministry, were you surprised by this? [15:25] <Rudius> but they wouldnt do it [15:25] <Questauthor> A lot of folks claimed that the first time around, Aislinn [15:25] <JaneMarple9> yayyyyyyyyyyy a centaur guard! [15:25] <Aislinn> right, Questauthor [15:25] <mrh216> I wasn't surprised [15:25] <Dreamteam> not once it had been reformed, I think he'd love it [15:25] <Questauthor> Yes, I was surprised I fully expected Hogwarts career [15:25] <georgesear> I was only surprised at the age with which he took up the post [15:25] <Mrs> no I wasn't... I knew he was destined for it [15:25] <shesapirate> I wasn't surprised [15:25] <Kwikspell> I alway kind of thought Harry would play Quidditch since he loves it so much. [15:25] <Rudius> well apparently he helps with the reforms [15:25] <kneazlegirl> I really thought Harry would become an Auror. [15:25] <shesapirate> JKR hinted at it so often [15:25] <Aislinn> I do think it made a lot of difference that Kingsley was running things at that point [15:25] <Questauthor> I would have thought he'd want to stay with Hogwarts, rebuild it [15:25] <HeliumHead> well, with Kingsley as Minister I think that would change his mind [15:25] <kneazlegirl> It's the perfect job for him, I think. [15:25] <mrh216> I wanted him to play Quidditch for England first then be an Auror [15:25] <fawkes28> honestly, a part of me was disappointed with this [15:26] <JaneMarple9> i wasn't surprised - he always wanted to be a Auror [15:26] <futureweasley> I was thinking Quidditch as well...but I guess that the reformed Ministry is a "good place to be" according to Jo [15:26] <Aislinn> I think he went back to Hogwarts first, Questauthor [15:26] <Questauthor> I woud have also thought that being at Hogwarts woudl suit him since he doesn't like to be in the limelight [15:26] <georgesear> Although, can you see Harry as a manager of others? He seems more the action type [15:26] <Dreamteam> no, I think JKR said at some point that he'd seen too much action to want an academic career [15:26] <kneazlegirl> How could he have a non-exciting job after everything he's already done? [15:26] <Questauthor> the auror position seems awfully "public" [15:26] <Mrs> yes defiantely with Kingsley's reforms, I think it would change Harry's opinion of MOM drastically [15:26] <HeliumHead> I think that his problems were more along the lines of how things were being done [15:26] <futureweasley> his biggest career ambition was always to be an auror [15:26] <JaneMarple9> even a Death Eater told him he'd make a good auror smile [15:26] <Granjo> No Harry would want to be part of the new ministry. He could handle power. [15:26] <shesapirate> I thought Ron would play Quidditch actually [15:26] <fawkes28> i was hoping he would at least get to take some time "off" and play Quidditch with Wood for awhile then perhaps become an Auror [15:26] <Kwikspell> I'm glad he went to bring about change...but I would still have loved to see him play Quidditch. [15:26] <futureweasley> I wonder if Minerva McGonagall had anything to do with it? wink [15:26] <mrh216> I bet she did [15:26] <Questauthor> excellent point, Futureweasley! [15:26] <Aislinn> probably, futureweasley [15:26] <futureweasley> and I wonder if Delores Umbridge is still alive and working for the ministry [15:27] <Questauthor> She's in jail, isn't she? [15:27] <Dreamteam> as a doorstop? [15:27] <Kwikspell> Makes sense, futureweasley! [15:27] <JaneMarple9> i don't think she'll be around future [15:27] <Granjo> Toad is in Azkaban [15:27] <Questauthor> I doubt Kingsley would ever have her in the MoM again [15:27] <futureweasley> LOL Dreamteam [15:27] <Rudius> no, FW, apparently she was tried and sent to Az [15:27] <Mrs> she'd make a perfect doorstop dreamteam [15:27] <Aislinn> Do you think Harry(and the rest) went back to finish school before he bacame an Auror? [15:27] <JaneMarple9> yeah good place for umbridge in azkaban [15:27] <Questauthor> oooo good point, can he be an Auror if he didn't "graduate"? [15:27] <fawkes28> i would like to think that they did, Aislinn [15:27] <Questauthor> Although hard to graduate when your school is blown to pieces [15:27] <Mrs> I definately think they went back to school or at least finished it out [15:27] <JaneMarple9> how many decrees could she release there? smile [15:27] <Dreamteam> or did that year count as field training? [15:27] <Granjo> They would have to do that to qualify. [15:28] <fawkes28> it's the teacher in me [15:28] <Aislinn> I have this vision of them returning and helping to rebuild the school and finish their studies [15:28] <shesapirate> I think they'd let him be an Auror after finishing LV though [15:28] <Rudius> the way the question was answered it does seem as if HArry went back and did his 7th year at hogwarts [15:28] <Kwikspell> Didn't Jo talk about this? I thought he did go back to school. [15:28] <Kwikspell> Thanks, Rudius! [15:28] <Aislinn> Hermione especially would have wanted to finish. [15:28] <fawkes28> that would be an excellent question for Jo to answer [15:28] <shesapirate> I would have liked to see their graduation [15:28] <fawkes28> yes, she would have [15:28] <Questauthor> Kind of an impressive resume builder: Last job: Off'ed the dark lord on summer break [15:28] <fawkes28> then they would have been in the same year as Ginny [15:28] <mrh216> Does Hogwarts have an actual graduation? [15:28] <Kwikspell> LOL, Questauthor! [15:28] <futureweasley> I think we need Harry's REAL year 7!! [15:28] <Aislinn> lol [15:28] <fawkes28> LOL [15:28] * futureweasley pleas to Jo [15:28] <Rudius> lol [15:28] <Dreamteam> Yes, I can't see Hermione passing up the chance to finish learning [15:29] <kneazlegirl> I'm sure they'd have let him be an Auror no matter what, but I think he would have gone back to school anyway. [15:29] <futureweasley> give us a happy, fluffy book [15:29] <Granjo> They need their NEWTS [15:29] <Rudius> OMW how much studyting d'you think he did being in ginny's class? [15:29] <fawkes28> Hermione also turns out to be working for the Ministry, first by reforming house elf regulations and then joins the department of Magical Law Enforcement. She had mocked this choice of career to Rufus Scrimgeour so what do you think made her decide to take on this role? [15:29] <HeliumHead> I think that he would to avoid charges of favoritism [15:29] <georgesear> Wouldn't it have been nice for the trio to have a normal year at school? [15:29] <Aislinn> good point, rudius biggrin [15:29] <mrh216> good point, Rudius [15:29] <Questauthor> I think she could see the value of it after that last year [15:29] <JaneMarple9> i wasn't all that surprised [15:29] <Mrs> I think it's owed a lot to Kingsley being minister [15:29] <Questauthor> That to make sure things are fair, you have to be a part of the process [15:30] <Rudius> well, she may have only gone across once most of the refroms were in place [15:30] <Dreamteam> the reforms maybe or maybe she saw the need for more reforms and reckoned she would have more influence from the inside [15:30] <Kwikspell> She recognized that was the best way to change things [15:30] <futureweasley> maybe Scrimgeour planted that seed in Hermione [15:30] <Questauthor> Fairness is so very important to Hermione [15:30] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, things had changed a lot by then. [15:30] <JaneMarple9> she knew she could do a whole lot better than scrimgeour etc [15:30] <shesapirate> I was a bit surprised that she took that job actually [15:30] <HeliumHead> I think that it was more a statement of the legal system at the time [15:30] <Aislinn> yes, Questauthor, and I think for the most part, Hermione really believes in working within the standard procedures [15:30] <Aislinn> Even to foment change. [15:30] <futureweasley> I think that she would be good at whatever career she chose, but I see her really enjoying Law Enforcement. [15:30] <fawkes28> people change their mind as they get older and she probably just said it in the heat of the moment [15:30] <Kwikspell> And she's good at it. [15:30] <JaneMarple9> nd Kingsley in charge, she knew there would be radical changes [15:30] <futureweasley> it's her opportunity to write law, make things fair, etc [15:30] <Dreamteam> I think it was probably just a dig at the Ministry of that time [15:31] <JaneMarple9> she'd do it for Dobby's memory too...a free elf [15:31] <Dreamteam> due to their unfairness [15:31] <Granjo> She would be highly qualified with that brain of hers and her common sense as well. [15:31] <fawkes28> Harry didnt even want to work for the Aurors under Scrimgeour - i think it makes a big difference depending on who is in power [15:31] <Rudius> she may have disagreed with Scrimgoeur just to be contrary [15:31] <Aislinn> it does seem a sort of natural evolution from her early SPEW attempts [15:31] <Rudius> she has been known to do that before [15:31] <shesapirate> I have to go, guys. Great chatting with you!! [15:31] <fawkes28> bye shesapirate [15:31] <Aislinn> bye shesapirate [15:31] <kneazlegirl> Bye! [15:31] <Dreamteam> bye sheaspirate [15:31] <HeliumHead> bye [15:31] <Rudius> see ya shesapirate [15:31] <mrh216> bye [15:32] <Granjo> and she was interested in muggle relations too. [15:32] <kneazlegirl> Well, SPEW had to go somewhere. [15:32] *** shesapirate has quit [Bye] [15:32] <fawkes28> yes, i am glad she found something more productive to do [15:32] <kneazlegirl> JKR spent a lot of time on it. [15:32] <Questauthor> I think that under the previous MoM, hermione would have been frustrated. but real reform was happening [15:32] <fawkes28> although i could always see her studying Ancient Runes over in Greece and inventing more spells [15:32] <Mrs> she mentioned when they were looking at careers in OotP that she would like to "go somewhere" with SPEW and this would certianly be a good opportunity [15:32] <Aislinn> I think that Hermione probably helped Kingsley quite a bit in reforming the ministry and its practices [15:33] <Dreamteam> yes, I think you're right Aislinn, I can see that happening [15:33] <Questauthor> She needs a challenge, I think. Studying is fine and good but she got a taste for action and figuring things out. I think that impacted her career choices. [15:33] <fawkes28> it is a shame that Hermione could not have Amelia Bones as a mentor - i think they would have gotten along fabulously [15:33] <mrh216> yeah, poor Amelia [15:33] <Questauthor> Oh, yes Fawkes! I agree [15:33] <Aislinn> yes, the quest and all of the action probably did impact her. [15:33] <Questauthor> I wonder what happened when her parentals came back from Australia [15:33] <Rudius> i think the may have helped, but peoplpe like Arthur and others who were in the ministry for years would have had better views on what was broken and what not [15:33] <HeliumHead> possibly she changed her mind after the raid on the ministry [15:34] <Granjo> She loves to use her knowledge. [15:34] <Questauthor> I wonder if Arthur got a different job after the fall of Volde [15:34] <Questauthor> Did JKR say anything about that? [15:34] <Aislinn> good point, Rudius, Arthur probably had a lot of important opinions [15:34] <Dreamteam> I hope so, Senior Undersecretary maybe [15:34] <Aislinn> I don't think anyone asked about Arthur. [15:34] <Dreamteam> instead of Umbridge [15:34] <fawkes28> true, questauthor - hermione has changed a great deal since the first book [15:34] <HeliumHead> where she got to watch Umbridge trying muggle borns [15:34] <Mrs> I'm hoping Arthur got a huge fat promotion [15:34] <Granjo> Bet he got a real good one. [15:34] <futureweasley> I still can't get over that Arthur was slated for death...but I'm sure we'll talk about that later [15:34] <Questauthor> Yes, please, Futureweasley! [15:34] <fawkes28> Ron joins George at Weasleys' Wizarding Wheezes. What do you think of this job choice for him? [15:34] <Questauthor> EXCELLENT CHOICE [15:34] <Granjo> I am so glad he lived. [15:34] <futureweasley> I was too shocked about that to even think about his new job opportunities [15:35] <Rudius> im confused about that [15:35] <fawkes28> me too, rudi [15:35] <HeliumHead> I rather like the idea of Arthur becoming professor of muggle studies [15:35] <Mrs> I think it;s good... I mean poor George with Fred dying [15:35] <mrh216> me too [15:35] <kneazlegirl> Ron never seemed like the type, really. [15:35] <futureweasley> Ron, a top auror AND a Wheezes producer? he's a busy man! [15:35] <Rudius> on another interview she said he becomes an auror too [15:35] <Aislinn> It surprised me a bit that he would do this [15:35] <Questauthor> I think it shows that Ron was dedicated to making sure George was ok and able to move on, and to keep the store alive for Fred's memory [15:35] <fawkes28> i think he would have done it to honor his brother's memory - otherwise i do not see him going into this business [15:35] <Dreamteam> I wonder whether he worked part time with George and parttime as an auror with Harry [15:35] <Questauthor> But I never saw it as a long term thing [15:35] <Aislinn> but I think it would be good for George and....yes what Questauthor said [15:35] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, I doubt he saw it as a real career choice. [15:35] <mrh216> me neuther, quest [15:36] <Questauthor> I think he worked with George to stabilize the store then followed into Auror internship [15:36] <fawkes28> i think someone said he worked with george first and then later became an auror [15:36] <Rudius> well, i dont think you can work part time as an auror [15:36] <Dreamteam> or maybe just helped to set it up after the war [15:36] <kneazlegirl> But he'd make a better auror. [15:36] <Questauthor> lol, Aislinn [15:36] <Aislinn> which is another example of his great heart. [15:36] <Rudius> especially right after the war when there was a lot of mopping up to do [15:36] <Questauthor> He helped George during the transition after Fred's death [15:36] <fawkes28> i dont know if george could have gone on alone [15:36] <Questauthor> I think people needed to laugh then. [15:36] <Granjo> I think he could easily do both. The store was mostly George's, and aurors probably don't have work all the time. [15:36] <Aislinn> I think that makes sense. [15:36] <JaneMarple9> yeah ron would be good, helping in WWW [15:36] <fawkes28> what would have been more insteresting in my opinion is if Jo put Percy in the shop with George laugh [15:36] <Questauthor> I can see it as part of Ron's need to make sure his family is ok [15:37] <Questauthor> hahahaha, good one, fawkes! [15:37] <Rudius> lol [15:37] <Dreamteam> LOL fawkes now that I'd like to see [15:37] <JaneMarple9> but i wanted Percy to be George's assistant! [15:37] <Mrs> yes fawkes, that would've been good [15:37] <mrh216> That's what I thought, fawkes! [15:37] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [15:37] <Rudius> percy had even less the temprament than ron [15:37] <Questauthor> I wonder what happened to Percy afterwards. HE's working at the MoM from the epi but as what? [15:37] <JaneMarple9> laugh snap fwakes! [15:37] <kneazlegirl> Actually, WWW was also beginning to carry more serious defensive stuff in book 6. [15:37] <fawkes28> i know - i love irony! [15:37] <fawkes28> hey Mr. M [15:37] <Rudius> he went back to the mom [15:37] <Rudius> brb [15:37] <Aislinn> hi Mr M [15:37] <futureweasley> I think Ron's bond with George was likely strengthened 10 fold after Fred's death...George needed one of his brothers to step up, and Ron has always proved to be up for more responsibility [15:37] <Questauthor> Hello, Mr. M [15:37] <MrMcGonagall> hi, everyone! [15:38] <JaneMarple9> he'd probably be assisting Kingsley in some way [15:38] <Dreamteam> Didn't Percy finish up as an assistant to Kingley? [15:38] <Questauthor> I was rather proud of Ron for helping out at the store. I think it was totally within his character [15:38] <Aislinn> and in DH he showed over and over again how much he cared about other people/creatures future [15:38] <JaneMarple9> but seeing a lot more of the family [15:38] <kneazlegirl> I think some of the WWW inventions probably ended up helping the Ministry and Aurors. [15:38] <futureweasley> me too Questauthor... [15:38] * futureweasley loves Ron [15:38] <JaneMarple9> hi there Mr McG smile [15:38] <Granjo> He is probably a very good official at the ministry. He likes detail work. [15:38] <Questauthor> I would agree, Kneazlgirl [15:38] <Questauthor> and I agree with Futureweasley as well (I always do!) [15:39] *** JeffHpFan has joined #lounge [15:39] <JeffHpFan> heyy guys [15:39] <futureweasley> hahaha, not always, I'm sure!! [15:39] <futureweasley> hi Jeff [15:39] <Aislinn> hi JeffHpFan [15:39] <JaneMarple9> Ron's perfect as George's assistant [15:39] <Dreamteam> hi Jeff [15:39] <mrh216> hi Jeff [15:39] <fawkes28> We find out that George has named his first born son Fred, and is successful at the joke shop. How did you feel, learning this detail? [15:39] <JaneMarple9> i was happy [15:39] <Kwikspell> Hi Jeff! [15:39] <Questauthor> Better [15:39] <mrh216> it made me happy [15:39] <futureweasley> better, surprisingly [15:39] <Dreamteam> I loved that he named his son Fred [15:39] <JeffHpFan> very happy [15:39] <Questauthor> Knowing he married and knowing he had a child [15:39] <Mrs> I loved that, both faxts [15:39] <Granjo> very happy [15:39] <Rudius> back [15:39] <Questauthor> I needed, craved, to know that George was ok [15:39] <JeffHpFan> it was awesome [15:39] <Rudius> i was glad about that [15:39] <Aislinn> I'm glad he's doing ok - I'm still in mourning for Fred [15:39] <MrMcGonagall> There was no doubt in my mind that George would continue to be successful in business. [15:39] <mrh216> so did i, quest [15:39] <Questauthor> We all are, Aislinn! [15:39] <JaneMarple9> I was thinking it would be Verity, Angelina or Alicia [15:39] <kneazlegirl> And now it makes sense that Ron didn't name any kids after Fred. [15:39] <Kwikspell> I felt better, but I'm still mourning Fred [15:39] <Dreamteam> I wonder if George married the muggle girl from the newsagents [15:40] <Rudius> lol [15:40] <JeffHpFan> hmm [15:40] <Rudius> no i dont think so [15:40] <Questauthor> I was extremley happy to find out he'd done that, but surprised he didn't have twins! [15:40] <Dreamteam> the one who was impressed by their magic tricks [15:40] <Mrs> I want to know who he married! [15:40] <JaneMarple9> George had lots of choices to whom to marry [15:40] <futureweasley> George has the vast potential of NEVER rebounding from his loss...I think, from the looks of things, that he's found his way post Fred. And that makes me feel a lot better [15:40] <Questauthor> He married me, sillies [15:40] <HeliumHead> maybe it was verity [15:40] <JaneMarple9> verity for me - who worked in WWW [15:40] <Granjo> Angelina gets my vote. She could handle his high jinks. [15:40] <Rudius> maybe [15:40] <mrh216> verity's a good choice [15:40] <JaneMarple9> ah! He married Questauthor [15:40] <fawkes28> George and Fred had such loyalty to each other - i know if it was switched Fred would have done the same thing [15:40] <JaneMarple9> now we know smile [15:40] <Rudius> ahhh now we know [15:40] <Questauthor> (man, don't let the hubbin hear that. we're celebrating 17 years today!) [15:40] <JaneMarple9> laugh [15:41] <Mrs> so how is Married life with George Questauthor? [15:41] <Dreamteam> LOL [15:41] <Kwikspell> LOL, Questauthor, this husband sharing thing isn't working for me! [15:41] <futureweasley> congrats Quest!! [15:41] <Questauthor> Angelina would be a great choice for Ron [15:41] <Questauthor> Angelina would be a great choice for Ron [15:41] <Questauthor> Thanks, Futureweasley (darn double posting) [15:41] *** GEORISA has joined #lounge [15:41] <Rudius> shes too old for ron [15:41] <futureweasley> hi Georisa [15:41] <Dreamteam> hi Georisa [15:41] <Aislinn> for Ron? [15:41] <GEORISA> hi [15:41] <Questauthor> But not for George [15:41] <Questauthor> Hello Georisa [15:41] <Kwikspell> Hi Georisa [15:41] <GEORISA> hello everyone [15:41] <JaneMarple9> The twins were so popular - I am sure George had lots of choices [15:41] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:42] <Questauthor> hello cloudpic! [15:42] <futureweasley> wb cloudpic [15:42] <Dreamteam> hi cloudpic [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, cp! [15:42] * cloudpic happy to see everyone [15:42] <fawkes28> Ginny plays Quidditch for the Holyhead Harpies, before retiring to have her family and become Quidditch commentator for the Daily Prophet. Is this what you expected for Ginny? [15:42] <kneazlegirl> I wonder if JKR will answer that in the encyclopedia, or if she'll leave it open. [15:42] <JaneMarple9> (((Cloudpic))) welcome back! [15:42] <Granjo> hi cloudpic [15:42] <Questauthor> I loved it [15:42] <Kwikspell> Hi cloudpic! [15:42] <Rudius> well i always felt george lived a bit in Fred's shadow [15:42] <Questauthor> loved, loved, loved that she played professional quidditch [15:42] <Dreamteam> no, that surprised me [15:42] <Aislinn> I was happy to see her pursuing something she seemed to love [15:42] <JaneMarple9> i was surprised [15:42] <Dreamteam> but I liked it [15:42] <Kwikspell> It wasn't what I expected, but I loved it! [15:42] <Aislinn> commentating for the Prophet surprised me though [15:42] <mrh216> it surprised me but I'm for it [15:42] <Mrs> I honestly had no clue what Ginny would do, but I liked that career move for her [15:42] <kneazlegirl> It was a bit surprising, but it fits. [15:42] <Aislinn> it's such a rag! [15:42] <fawkes28> i am glad that she got this job [15:42] <Questauthor> As soon as it was revealed I was like "But of course!" [15:42] <JaneMarple9> I had Ginny down as a home-maker like Molly [15:42] <cloudpic> ummm... I rather expected more from Ginny (no slam on a sports career, but thought she was a talented witch) [15:42] <Rudius> no t really, but i never had any firm ideas about what ginny would do [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> I think it fits for Ginny. [15:43] <futureweasley> I really saw Ginny using her "brain" a bit more [15:43] <Granjo> Surprised but delighted [15:43] <Questauthor> No way, JM9! [15:43] <fawkes28> i always thought that she would be a Healer for some reason [15:43] <Questauthor> I could NOT see that at all! [15:43] <MrMcGonagall> Nah, Ginny's always been an action girl. [15:43] <futureweasley> I know she's a bit "tomboy"ish and all...but I saw her doing something a bit more academic [15:43] <Questauthor> Exactly, Mr. McG [15:43] <cloudpic> That's what I'd thought fawkes! [15:43] <Kwikspell> Agree, Mr MG [15:43] <fawkes28> there is action in healing, Mr. M [15:43] <Questauthor> I always saw her doing something exciting and different [15:43] <fawkes28> think of ER [15:43] <GEORISA> pretty cool that she turned out to be the athlete of the family [15:43] *** JeffHpFan left #lounge [Leaving] [15:43] <JaneMarple9> hmmmm but as long as she was with Harry, she'd do anything i think [15:43] <cloudpic> Or perhaps an Auror [15:43] <kneazlegirl> They didn't actually teach any healing at Hogwarts [15:43] <Rudius> well come to think of it - every time she played Quiddich the team won - except that once when they had that replacement keeper [15:43] <Questauthor> I admit, I am a sucker for the HEA, I was glad she ende dup with Harry [15:44] <kneazlegirl> so we don't know who would have been good at it. [15:44] <cloudpic> That's true Rudi [15:44] <fawkes28> i think it may have been in a fan fic i read once, wink [15:44] <JaneMarple9> she might had been a healer or another auror [15:44] <Questauthor> WYOS [15:44] <MrMcGonagall> Somehow I can't see Ginny working in the St. Mungo's ER. [15:44] <fawkes28> LOL [15:44] <cloudpic> WYOS???? [15:44] <Questauthor> Write your own stuff [15:44] <fawkes28> don't ask [15:44] <MrMcGonagall> Ginny's better at hexing than healing. LOL [15:44] <cloudpic> Oh... sorry don't know text speak [15:44] <Rudius> lol [15:44] <futureweasley> agreed MrMcG! [15:44] <JaneMarple9> laugh good point [15:44] <kneazlegirl> I think she could have made a good Auror, too. [15:44] <fawkes28> no, it is questauthor speak [15:44] <futureweasley> Bat Bogey Hex, anyone?! [15:44] <fawkes28> oh, yes she would have made a good auror [15:45] <Dreamteam> She would have been a good person to go into business with George [15:45] <kneazlegirl> Hopefully she learned some new hexes, though! [15:45] <futureweasley> she would have, yes fawkes [15:45] <Questauthor> I can see her doing that at an opponent on the Quidditch field, Futureweasley [15:45] <cloudpic> I'd not want to irritate Ms. Ginny on the playing field [15:45] *** potterfreak07 has joined #lounge [15:45] <Rudius> but note that Sluggy called it right again with her... [15:45] <cloudpic> remember the time she slammed into the stands? LOL [15:45] <JaneMarple9> don't worry cloudpic - WYOS had me conffudled too smile [15:45] <cloudpic> smile [15:45] <fawkes28> but it is nice for her and Harry to have their own separate careers [15:45] <Questauthor> sorry guys, I'll refrain! [15:45] <Rudius> lol [15:45] <Questauthor> I agree, fawkes [15:45] <futureweasley> but I wonder, even after LV went down, if Harry still "protected" Ginny from things...even having dramatic input in her career decisions [15:45] <cloudpic> Thanks [15:45] <Questauthor> I would not have wanted them to be identical [15:45] <mrh216> me neither [15:45] <Questauthor> I can imagine Harry in the stands cheering her on [15:46] <MrMcGonagall> I would dare Harry to try and "protect" Ginny. [15:46] <Rudius> no, i dont think he would have [15:46] <mrh216> Ginny's very much her own person [15:46] <Questauthor> He always loved her spirit and drive [15:46] <Dreamteam> I can't see Ginny allowing Harry to "protect" her [15:46] <Rudius> ginny wouldnt let him [15:46] <HeliumHead> i don't think that he would either [15:46] <cloudpic> Perhaps that's why JKR wrote them on separate tracks... to be sure it was clear a woman can retain her full identity [15:46] <Kwikspell> I don't think anyone really can protect Ginny...except for Molly [15:46] <Questauthor> which I love, cp [15:46] <cloudpic> well... not "written" but planned [15:46] <potterfreak07> haha [15:46] <Rudius> and he respected her for being of strtonger stuff than most girls he knew [15:46] <cloudpic> Yes... wasn't her frustration in the Room of Requirement wonderful [15:46] <mrh216> it was [15:47] <Mrs> Ginny is very independent and strong, I'd hate to see Harry constantly protecting her, or trying to. I'd hope Harry would realize how string she is. [15:47] <Rudius> lol [15:47] <cloudpic> Part of the attraction, I'm thinking... her strength [15:47] <mrh216> definately, cp [15:47] <JaneMarple9> ginny's one of a kind [15:47] <Dreamteam> yes he was impressed that she wasn't the tearful type [15:47] <Dreamteam> like Cho maybe [15:47] <Questauthor> After traipsing about with Hermione for years, I don't think Harry would dare try and make Ginny do anything [15:47] <futureweasley> I think he's a wee bit overprotective...I don't see that going away overnight [15:47] <cloudpic> That's the truth! [15:47] <Aislinn> I think that is what he is attracted to, Mrs [15:47] <kneazlegirl> I'm surprised JKR planned all this and then didn't put it in the epilogue. [15:47] <GEORISA> ginny didnt need protection, she can handle herself [15:47] <Questauthor> But he';s that way with everyone [15:47] <cloudpic> But Harry is a bit overprotective of everyone [15:48] <Questauthor> jinx, cp! [15:48] <cloudpic> LOL [15:48] *** CannonsKara has joined #lounge [15:48] <Mrs> I agree Aislinn [15:48] <Rudius> well this is the (at least) second draft of the epilogue [15:48] <Aislinn> he is overprotective of everyone - he feels they are all his responsibility [15:48] <cloudpic> I owe you, Questauthor! [15:48] <fawkes28> i think the problem is that she wrote most of the epilogue so long ago [15:48] <Questauthor> I don't see that going away, Aislinn [15:48] <Questauthor> Woot, CP! [15:48] <Aislinn> lol [15:48] <cloudpic> Bless him, that's one of the things I love... [15:48] <Aislinn> me too [15:48] <GEORISA> well he has lost alot of people he loved [15:48] <futureweasley> true, he loves mankind overall [15:48] <potterfreak07> live chat isnt working correctly for me so im out [15:48] <kneazlegirl> Harry and his "saving people thing" [15:48] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking the epilogue was written before the series got darker. It was more light hearted like the first two books [15:48] <Mrs> yeah, I defaintely got the vibe in the Epilogue that he is very protective of his kids [15:49] <cloudpic> Ginny needed to be a strong woman to be a match for Harry... or she'd be lost in the relationship [15:49] <mrh216> I love his saving people thing [15:49] <MrMcGonagall> True, cp. [15:49] <Rudius> well, we all have our faults, I guess [15:49] <futureweasley> but he actually has input on Ginny's life...I don't know...I'm not trying to make him out as a domineering swine [15:49] *** CannonsKara has quit [Bye] [15:49] <Dreamteam> She got very annoyed with Dean for helping her too much, I think Harry might remember that [15:49] <JaneMarple9> harry will always have a saving people thing [15:49] <cloudpic> No, partners, I think [15:49] <Rudius> he better have... [15:49] <Questauthor> I think HArry and Ginny have a very balanced relationship [15:49] <Granjo> She will be putting her foot down a lot, but he will be ok with that. [15:49] <cloudpic> Indeed so, Jane [15:49] *** MFactor has joined #lounge [15:49] <MrMcGonagall> I think Harry would have been pretty supportive of her career choices. He loves Quidditch, after all. [15:49] <cloudpic> He might even envy her a bit! [15:49] <Aislinn> there was the thought he had in her room about how she doesn't cry often, and it is one of the things he likes about her - he values her strength. [15:50] <futureweasley> yes he may [15:50] <Rudius> quite a bit [15:50] <HeliumHead> I think that Harry learned from Arthur to pick your domestic fights [15:50] <JaneMarple9> harry knows ginny pretty well - he'd know how much ginny liked her independence [15:50] <cloudpic> Bet she always has a top of the line broom! [15:50] <JaneMarple9> living with six brothers has made ginny tough [15:50] <mrh216> I'm sure she does! [15:50] <cloudpic> Oh, that's likely true, HeliumHead... good point [15:50] <futureweasley> bet it's better than Harry's, in fact!! [15:50] <cloudpic> LOLOL [15:50] <Rudius> lol [15:50] <fawkes28> Luna becomes a naturalist, and eventually marries the descendant of the famous Newt Scamander. Does this seem a fitting role for Luna? [15:50] <mrh216> Harry needs a new one now [15:50] <JaneMarple9> oh yes - A Nimbus Two Thousand and Twenty! laugh [15:50] <Questauthor> Luna... I was surprised she wasn't with Neville or Dean [15:50] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, this works for Luna, I think. [15:51] <futureweasley> I was shipping Dean/Luna!! [15:51] <Questauthor> But the vocation works for her [15:51] <Questauthor> totally [15:51] <Mrs> oh yes, very fitting for Luna [15:51] <HeliumHead> Yeah, I can see Luna doing that [15:51] <Rudius> yes i can see that [15:51] <GEORISA> i was surprise she didnt end up with neville as well [15:51] <mrh216> I got a Luna/Dean vibe too [15:51] <Questauthor> I loved her character even more in DH [15:51] <fawkes28> as sad as it is to admit, i was too, future [15:51] <JaneMarple9> i was a little surprised she didn't marry dean sad [15:51] <cloudpic> She was always interested in her dad's strange beasties... and I love that she proved him right on some, but that she accepted hed' made some up [15:51] <Rudius> except that i had a different deffinition for naturalist [15:51] <cloudpic> Dean? [15:51] *** potterfreak07 has quit [Bye] [15:51] <kneazlegirl> I thought Luna might work in the Department of Mysteries. [15:51] <Dreamteam> Yes, I can imagine Luna traipsing through the jungles of Borneo [15:51] <Aislinn> I saw the Dean thing too, and thought it might last. [15:51] <cloudpic> Huh [15:51] <Questauthor> Especially sitting with Harry in the hall at the end, and giving him a distraction to leave [15:51] <futureweasley> YES!! Fawkes was shipping!! [15:51] <kneazlegirl> But naturalist works too. [15:51] <futureweasley> hahahaah [15:51] <GEORISA> i got to appreciate luna more in the dh [15:51] <Kwikspell> Yes, but I also hope that she had a lot of friends. Her mural made me cry in DH [15:51] <JaneMarple9> but hunting for animals yes [15:51] <fawkes28> oh, no - i will never hear the end of it now [15:52] <Questauthor> oh, the friends mural... that was adorably sweet [15:52] <Aislinn> that was a bit sad, wasn't it, Kwikspell? [15:52] <cloudpic> I rather thought she'd be an independent at whatever her career track was [15:52] <kneazlegirl> And she continued the Quibbler too, didn't she? [15:52] <fawkes28> i was disappointed she didnt end up with Dean, but I am glad she was happy [15:52] <Granjo> It couldn't be too tidy. It would seem very contrived. Luna's future is OK/ [15:52] <JaneMarple9> she'd be able to find loads of crumble horned snorkarks [15:52] <Rudius> no the quibbler continued but she went on to toher tthings [15:52] <cloudpic> after seeing that amazing ceiling.. we saw how much she valued friends... but had trouble making herself clear to them [15:52] <fawkes28> after Hagrid retires, i can see her becoming the care of magical creatures teacher [15:52] <Rudius> sh eventually had to accept her father had made them up [15:52] <Mrs> yes JKR said she realized some of her dad's ideas were a bit crazy [15:52] <cloudpic> Oh! That'd be interesting, fawkes! [15:52] <Questauthor> well, that's growth and that's good [15:52] <JaneMarple9> and i am sure she will be connected to the quibbler too - perhaps write articles about exotic animals [15:53] <Aislinn> yes she did, cloudpic, and I think she would always travel her own unique path, even valuing her friends as she does. [15:53] <Questauthor> Turn the Quibbler into the Magical equivalent of National Geographic [15:53] <cloudpic> Just who is that Newt guy? Who remembers? [15:53] <futureweasley> Luna is a free-spirit...and I imagine that she would do well with someone we don't know anything about [15:53] <fawkes28> not that i want Hagrid to leave, but one day he will retire [15:53] <Questauthor> Didn't he write magical beasts? [15:53] <cloudpic> OH! [15:53] <HeliumHead> yes [15:53] <Questauthor> Or am I confuzzling things? [15:53] <Kwikspell> Yes, Questauthor [15:53] <cloudpic> That surely makes sense [15:53] <JaneMarple9> he wrote Fantasric Beats and where to find them [15:53] <Dreamteam> Newt Scamander wrote Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them [15:53] <cloudpic> thank you [15:53] <cloudpic> thank you all! [15:53] <JaneMarple9> Beasts* not Beats [15:53] <futureweasley> his great-great granddaddy did [15:53] * cloudpic knows now where to come for instant answers! [15:54] <fawkes28> lol [15:54] <JaneMarple9> that was the weird sisters - fantastic beats laugh [15:54] <Questauthor> *blush* [15:54] <futureweasley> the CB...it will educate you every time! [15:54] <cloudpic> LOLOL [15:54] <Dreamteam> lol Jane, I like that [15:54] <mrh216> lol [15:54] <Kwikspell> More like be bombarded with instant answers! [15:54] <cloudpic> Indeed [15:54] <Questauthor> Isn't that their latest album? [15:54] <Dreamteam> new wizarding band [15:54] <JaneMarple9> probably! [15:54] <fawkes28> you know, Luna has come to be a character that I really enjoy reading about - she could have her own series and it would be highly amusing [15:54] <cloudpic> I see more earrings in Luna's future.... [15:54] <mrh216> yes it would [15:54] <Questauthor> I don't know if she could carry her own series but she's definately interesting [15:55] <Mrs> she could make her own line of earings [15:55] <JaneMarple9> i'd love luna to be Care of Magical Creature in the future [15:55] <Questauthor> I was surprised she hadn't opened a jewelry line! [15:55] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I wasn't that crazy about Luna when she was first introduced in OotP, but now I really like her. [15:55] <fawkes28> she could do a whole line of clothing and jewelry, cloudpic [15:55] <GEORISA> i think she can hold her own series [15:55] <Kwikspell> Maybe a side book about one of her trips? [15:55] <futureweasley> she's a custom jewelry designer? all natural, vegan products? [15:55] <cloudpic> She is so insightful about the motives of others... but rather out of touch at the same time [15:55] <JaneMarple9> she'd be able to see thestrals for starters [15:55] <cloudpic> Oh, I like that she'd be vegan [15:55] <GEORISA> her heart is in the good place [15:55] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [15:55] <Questauthor> But I don't know that her motivation is strong enough to carry an entire book. She's more about floating through life being a positive impact, not being a driving force [15:55] <cloudpic> Usually I don't like things added by the films... but liked Luna and the thestrals scene This post has been edited by futureweasley: Aug 12 2007, 04:53 PM |
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[15:56] <Questauthor> Doesn't mean I don't love her!
[15:56] <futureweasley> her bedroom choked me up...with the "friends" theme going on [15:56] <fawkes28> i don't take the movies as canon at all - but Evanna Lynch did a fabulous job portraying her - it's as if Luna is real [15:56] <kneazlegirl> I think anyone who was in the battle at the end will be able to see Thestrals now. [15:56] <JaneMarple9> luna's very unique. Perhaps not a whole book or series on her but a good many pages, in the encyclopedia! [15:56] <mrh216> Can't everyone whi was in the Great Hall be able to see the thestrals now? They all saw Voldy die, right? [15:56] <cloudpic> Yes, one of the many times I lost tears... that room [15:56] <Dreamteam> I liked how she was the one to close Dobby's eyes, it was such a lovely touch [15:56] <GEORISA> she always chooses to do the right thing rather then the easiest thing. [15:56] <futureweasley> good point mrh [15:56] <Questauthor> Oh, def Georisa [15:56] <cloudpic> True, Georisa [15:56] <JaneMarple9> Yeah Evanna Lynch seems to be the perfect Luna. [15:56] <cloudpic> Oh, I wonder mrh? [15:57] <Questauthor> I would think so [15:57] <Questauthor> on the thestrals [15:57] <JaneMarple9> yeah luna's room was so touching [15:57] <fawkes28> Percy ended up as a high-ranking official under Kingsley. What do you think of this? [15:57] <cloudpic> Does his death count though... it wouldn't be a heartbreaking thing... [15:57] <Questauthor> I was sorry to see it destroyed [15:57] <MrMcGonagall> Ollivander and Luna locked up in a cellar for several months. Scary. LOL [15:57] <mrh216> I loved Luna's room [15:57] <Questauthor> I think Percy is good in an administrative role [15:57] <kneazlegirl> Not surprised at all about Percy. [15:57] <cloudpic> I say Bravo, changed Percy!! [15:57] <Mrs> I was so happy... with the Percy redemption and everything [15:57] <JaneMarple9> good point - a lot more people could see thestrals after the battle [15:57] <Dreamteam> I think Percy would be a better person now [15:57] <GEORISA> i think luna had so much love to give and during the dark times she always seemed to see the brigher picture [15:57] <futureweasley> I say typical [15:57] <MrMcGonagall> Percy does have a flair for administration. [15:57] * fawkes28 refrains from saying bad things about Percy [15:57] <Questauthor> and he will be as good as his superior. Cuz he tends to mimic those in power [15:57] <futureweasley> I don't think butt-kissing stopped with his revelation of wrongness [15:58] <mrh216> yes he does, MrMcg [15:58] <Aislinn> yes he does, Mr M, and again, it was a drastically changed Ministry. [15:58] <JaneMarple9> oooo percy! No longer a prat and a git! [15:58] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, Questauthor. [15:58] <fawkes28> i think that is absolutely true, future [15:58] <Kneazly> Yes Questauthor--but I think he'll think for himself a bit more now too [15:58] <cloudpic> But like that it's Kingsley who rules the day.... Percy would need a lot of learning how to react like a genuine assistant rather than a [15:58] <Questauthor> He's still a prat and git, just working for the right person [15:58] <cloudpic> butt kisser [15:58] <mrh216> I loved that he called himself a prat [15:58] <kneazlegirl> I'm just glad Percy didn't become Minister. [15:58] <JaneMarple9> I was so happy to see Percy back with the weasleys [15:58] <Questauthor> Can't see that happening, kneazlegirl [15:58] <futureweasley> I think he got his priorities sorted out [15:58] <GEORISA> i was very relived when percy realized his mistake, cause i was really afraid that he had turned against his family totally without any redemption [15:58] <cloudpic> I disagree... the fact that he could make jokes seemed to me to indicate a real change [15:58] <Dreamteam> I think he knew he was wrong but just didn't know how to say so [15:58] <MrMcGonagall> I would like to think that Percy learned some lessons about thinking for yourself as a result of his whole experience with the Ministry. [15:58] <futureweasley> but he's still a brown-nosing little git [15:58] <mrh216> well, he hasn't yey...Kingsley won't live forever [15:58] <fawkes28> i thought he deserved even more than that, mrh216 - but i shall refrain [15:58] <JaneMarple9> i don't think he is as much of a prat - that three years changed him [15:59] <Questauthor> Hermione would be a betterMoM than Percy! [15:59] <kneazlegirl> I think Percy really did change. [15:59] <Kwikspell> He's more careful about whose butt he kisses, I hope [15:59] <Dreamteam> yes he did start to joke with Fred [15:59] <cloudpic> I'm with you, Mr. McG. Most people aren't "finished" with their character development until mid twenties! [15:59] <futureweasley> I don't know, though...his Brother died in his arms. That can change a person [15:59] <fawkes28> but at the end of the day, he is still a power wanting fool [15:59] *** HeliumHead has quit [Bye] [15:59] <JaneMarple9> but percy will be Kingsley assistant I think [15:59] <MrMcGonagall> That's kind of harsh, fawkes. [15:59] <JaneMarple9> next in line for MOM [15:59] <kneazlegirl> He saw multiple times that the people in power aren't necessarily worth idolizing. [15:59] <Dreamteam> I think Kingsley will be a better mentor than he's previously had [15:59] *** georgesear has quit [Bye] [16:00] <futureweasley> I think that Kingsley can recognize that Percy's a hard worker [16:00] <kneazlegirl> Which was his big problem in the other books. [16:00] <cloudpic> Yes.. Percy could learn from Kingsley [16:00] <JaneMarple9> kingsley will straighten him out [16:00] <Questauthor> Hopefully he learns the right things [16:00] <kneazlegirl> Definitely. [16:00] <futureweasley> but Percy, like Dumbledore, can't handle having ultimate power [16:00] <futureweasley> and Percy should recognize that [16:00] <Questauthor> excellent point, Futureweasly [16:00] <JaneMarple9> help him see the right and wrong [16:00] * fawkes28 will refrain from all the comments floating in my head about Percy [16:00] <Kneazly> Percy said the change had been coming for a long time--I think he'll do okay [16:00] <Dreamteam> no probably not but unless he becomes [16:00] <Mrs> I was just going to say that futureweasly [16:00] <GEORISA> i think also, percy has now learned to value what his mother and father do [16:00] <Dreamteam> MoM he won't have ultimate power [16:00] <Aislinn> I think Percy came from a wonderful family, and lost his way through his ambition. I think he did wake up to his original values learned at his parent's knees, when he was what the Ministry had become. [16:00] <cloudpic> I have great hopes for Percy... I'd not like to think everyone is locked into their bad habits at a young age with no hope for change [16:00] <JaneMarple9> hmmm future - perhaps with a little while under Kingsley, he could handle power [16:00] *** HeliumHead has joined #lounge [16:00] <cloudpic> Nicely said, Aislinn! [16:01] <Aislinn> saw what, not was what. [16:01] <Aislinn> thanks smile [16:01] <Kneazly> I agree cloudpic--even Draco changed a bit [16:01] <JaneMarple9> i reckon percy has seen the error of his ways [16:01] <cloudpic> It's hard for many of us to give up our preconceived notions. [16:01] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, Dumbledore changed a lot from how he was at age 17. [16:01] <Questauthor> Ok, who else was shocked to see Draco on the platform? [16:01] <kneazlegirl> Whatever Harry might think about that. [16:01] <Questauthor> Or should I wait on that? [16:01] <JaneMarple9> percy is still pompus.....just not as much [16:02] <Aislinn> yes, even though teens think that they have unlocked the secrets of the universe, there is so much they still have to learn. [16:02] <fawkes28> The Malfoys, in Jo's words, "weaseled their way out of trouble" because of the help that Narcissa gave Harry in the forest. Did they deserve to be punished? [16:02] *** Granjo left #lounge [Leaving] [16:02] <cloudpic> True, kneazlegirl! JKR seems to suggest that change is possible for most [16:02] <Questauthor> hmm... punished? Perhaps [16:02] <JaneMarple9> laugh nice timing Questauthor! [16:02] <Questauthor> Destroyed? No [16:02] <fawkes28> questauthor has seer abilities [16:02] <cloudpic> I think they had been punished. Fully. [16:02] <Kneazly> I almost hate to say it, but I think that year under LV was punishment enough [16:02] <Questauthor> I am the Seer of the Land, Fwakes [16:02] <futureweasley> I'm not sure...I think that they did some really admirable things in the end [16:02] <Mrs> maybe not time in Azkaban, but some kind of punishment [16:02] <MrMcGonagall> Erm, yeah. The Malfoys needed some punishment for their crimes. [16:02] <fawkes28> yes, you are wink [16:02] <JaneMarple9> hmmm no not punished really [16:03] <Questauthor> I wonder if their estates were confiscated or anything like that [16:03] <futureweasley> wow, a CB divided...there's a shock [16:03] <futureweasley> lol [16:03] <cloudpic> I don't think Lucius has anything left to lose... all's been taken from him but his family. [16:03] <Questauthor> ohahahaha [16:03] <Dreamteam> Perhaps some sort of Wizarding Community Service [16:03] <mrh216> Living with Voldy is punishment enough, I think [16:03] <fawkes28> you know, i am ok with them not being punished because i think LV gave them enough problems and misery [16:03] <JaneMarple9> lucius had been in prison, and narcissa did not give harry away [16:03] <kneazlegirl> Agreed. [16:03] <Mrs> hahaha, i was thinking that dremtea, [16:03] <Dreamteam> scrubbing bedpans at St Mungo's without magic maybe [16:03] <Questauthor> I don't know that Lucius was reformed at the end, I think it was more Narcissa's actions that saved the family [16:03] <Rudius> draco learnt what it truly meant to be a DE [16:03] <JaneMarple9> yeah Voldie did not make it easy for the Malfoys [16:03] <kneazlegirl> There'd be no point in putting them in Azkaban, anyway. [16:03] <futureweasley> Perhaps they could do Community Service...like degnoming the Weasley's Garden for the rest of their natural lives...without the aid of magic [16:03] <MrMcGonagall> Bah. The Malfoys have a lot to answer for to the wizarding world. [16:03] <cloudpic> Oh.... I think Lucius was an entirely broken man. [16:03] <fawkes28> the malfoys will never change nor do i think anyone expected them too [16:03] <Kneazly> Their actions may have been self-serving, but Narcissa acted out of love for her son [16:03] <Rudius> i dont think he'll want to follow that road again [16:03] <Dreamteam> I think Draco had suffered enough [16:04] <Questauthor> Let's face it, anyone with a dark mark is going to be person non grata in the wizarding world [16:04] <fawkes28> Why, Mr. M? [16:04] <MrMcGonagall> I like that idea, future. [16:04] <Dreamteam> but Lucius and Narcissa deserved punishment [16:04] <fawkes28> they had their punishment [16:04] <JaneMarple9> not that they did not deserve it - but they realised what it is like to be a death eater, when voldie is annoyed with them [16:04] <cloudpic> What did Narcissa do? [16:04] <Mrs> hmmm, make Lucius a servant to Mr. Weasley [16:04] <futureweasley> they did aid and abide the Dark Lord for the entirity of a year [16:04] <fawkes28> they did redeem themselves - because i would bet that Draco knew that was Harry at the manor but didnt say anything [16:04] <kneazlegirl> Community service for the Weasleys-- Lucius would probably kill himself. [16:04] <Mrs> house elf type servant [16:04] <JaneMarple9> she preteneded harry was dead, in the forest [16:04] <futureweasley> I mean, granted, they had no choice [16:04] <MrMcGonagall> Are we forgetting that Lucius was in Azkaban to begin with? [16:04] <Aislinn> that's not a they, fawkes [16:04] <Kneazly> They only aided and abetted because they were forced to, in DH [16:05] <cloudpic> I can't picture Lucius doing much but sitting in a dark funk for years. [16:05] <fawkes28> and Narcissa didnt have to say that he was dead - after she got her answer she could have said that he was alive [16:05] <JaneMarple9> so that the death eaters could go to hogwarts - and to draco [16:05] <futureweasley> but they did everything they could to minimize the violence...especially where Harry was concerned [16:05] <Aislinn> Draco did that, but then returned to the school to capture Harry [16:05] <cloudpic> He has no wand. He has no power. He has no reputation. [16:05] <futureweasley> good point cloudpic [16:05] <MrMcGonagall> Draco and Lucius needed to be punished severely. I'm OK with Narcissa getting a reprieve. [16:05] <Rudius> he could buy a new wand [16:05] <fawkes28> i think he was more there to stop Crabe and Goyle from being idiots [16:05] <Questauthor> I find a lot of parallels between the Malfoys and the Dursleys. They are both out for the family only, at the expense and sometimes detriment, sometimes benefit of others [16:05] <cloudpic> Lucius couldn't even make the slightest decision without Narcissa. [16:05] <Mrs> yes, I agree, Lucius was left a completely broken man [16:05] <futureweasley> all the money in the world can't get his hiney out of that vice grip [16:05] <JaneMarple9> lucius was pretty much a broken man. Narcissa was in charged [16:05] <Rudius> power and reputaion on the other hand... [16:05] <cloudpic> thanks, Mrs. [16:05] <Dreamteam> I think the only reason Narcissa helped Harry was because he said Draco was still alive [16:06] <fawkes28> Lucius was very quiet in DH - he didnt do much of anything [16:06] <Questauthor> What if Harry had said Draco was dead? [16:06] <JaneMarple9> yes dreamteam absolutely [16:06] <GEORISA> i agree with you dreamteam [16:06] <Questauthor> What if Draco had died and Harry told he rthat? [16:06] <Questauthor> I think she woudl have given him up in a heartbeat, frankly [16:06] <Dreamteam> I think she would have given him up to LV [16:06] <HeliumHead> then harry would have been toast [16:06] <GEORISA> she knew that with harry dead, voldermort would march back to the castle and she would see draco again [16:06] <fawkes28> well, then she probably would have told voldemort he was alive [16:06] <futureweasley> I still think that Narcissa would have spoken for Harry...I think she was grateful for the information [16:06] <Rudius> she'd have ak'ed him herself [16:06] <Aislinn> I think she would have to - she was acting out of love for her son [16:06] <fawkes28> but for storyline purposes, it had to be that way [16:06] <cloudpic> Narcissa isn't Bella.... but she isn't Adromeda either. [16:07] <Aislinn> A completely selfish reason, but to be selfish for one's son - there are worse things in life. [16:07] *** HeidiBug has joined #lounge [16:07] <Questauthor> But going to the character's motivation... I dont see her saving Harry if her own child was dead. She'd retreat into herself and mourn [16:07] <futureweasley> I LOVE that Harry and Ron saved Draco twice that night...such poetic justice [16:07] <mrh216> exactly, Aislinn [16:07] <GEORISA> i dont think she was totally evil like bellatrix [16:07] <cloudpic> I wonder how much her marriage to Lucius altered her essential personality... and now that she's the dominant spouse.l.. [16:07] <Aislinn> no, I don't think she was either. [16:07] <futureweasley> I agree Georisa [16:07] <fawkes28> notice, the three of them could have run away after voldemort died, but they stayed at hogwarts even though they knew people there hated them [16:07] <HeidiBug> ditto future [16:07] <kneazlegirl> I'm finding it hard to separate the real Malfoys from Makani's versions. [16:07] <Rudius> doesnt that mean that Draco owes them life debts? [16:07] <Aislinn> she does blur the lines, doesn't she kneazlegirl ? [16:07] <Questauthor> hmmmm good point rudius [16:07] <Dreamteam> yes future I loved Ron's line that if they died for Draco he would kill them! [16:08] <futureweasley> I think Makani, for the most part, got the characters right [16:08] <futureweasley> lol [16:08] <cloudpic> Yes... they were huddled in a corner looking lost, fawkes [16:08] <futureweasley> I loved that too, Dreamteam [16:08] <Aislinn> she pretty much did, future [16:08] <GEORISA> i think narcissa was acting with the death eaters in support of her husband [16:08] <kneazlegirl> Her versions are a lot more sympathetic than JKR's, I think. [16:08] <futureweasley> yes kneazle...she wasn't a death eater, but she loved her husband and supported him in that [16:08] <Rudius> hee hee she does fangirl them a bit... [16:09] <GEORISA> we saw her softer side in hbp with snape pleaing for her son's life and then when she lied to voldermort in the forest [16:09] <Rudius> but i love her portrayal of the malfoys [16:09] <HeidiBug> I LOVED that part when she lied to Voldemort [16:09] <mrh216> it was awesome [16:09] <kneazlegirl> Draco should be punished for letting the DEs into the school, at the very least. [16:09] <Rudius> but thae digging of nails into him said very clearly "This is not for you" [16:09] <cloudpic> Her experience with marriage to Lucius... somewhat prepared her for keeping her head with Voldie [16:10] <GEORISA> she was just acting to maintain the malfroy's name respected in the wizarding world [16:10] <futureweasley> I think the Malfoys, in a sense, punished themselves more than the Ministry could possibly do [16:10] <GEORISA> or her pure blood name on high [16:10] <cloudpic> being invisible... yet sitting there beautifully in the first scene [16:10] <mrh216> I agree, future [16:10] <cloudpic> Yes, future. [16:10] <Rudius> i concur - their experiences in book 7 were worse than what could happen in Az [16:10] <HeidiBug> I don't think either Lucius or Narcissa wanted Draco to become a Death Eater [16:10] <fawkes28> ok, i see that point, knealegirl and it is a good one [16:10] <GEORISA> i agree [16:11] <Questauthor> But what, exactly, did they lose? They have each other, they have their son. So many others lost so much more. [16:11] <Aislinn> Narcissa definitely didn't [16:11] <Kneazly> Did the Malfoys feel remorse? I think at least Draco did, at the very end [16:11] <MrMcGonagall> Pffft. I'd like to see a bit more punishment. What they endured under LV was nothing more than the position in which their choices placed them. [16:11] <Aislinn> Not so sure about Lucius though. [16:11] <JaneMarple9> oh i think lucius did [16:11] <futureweasley> they have no standing, no respect...they are outcasts on both sides of the fence [16:11] <fawkes28> Draco wanted to please his father [16:11] <Questauthor> Draco was screaming "I'm one of you!" [16:11] <JaneMarple9> he;d want draco to follow him [16:11] * futureweasley thinks MrMcGonagall is channeling Argus Filch for today's chat [16:11] <Kneazly> Draco was protecting himself, though, [16:11] <Dreamteam> Draco still just wants to be on the winning side [16:11] <GEORISA> true, they arent respected anymore [16:11] <Aislinn> that's a good point, Questauthor [16:11] <cloudpic> Goodness, Mr. McG. Vengence is mine sayeth... [16:11] <cloudpic> LOL [16:11] <Questauthor> At the end, he was still identifying himself with the bad guys [16:11] <GEORISA> the malfroy name means nothing [16:12] *** ascellaskat has joined #lounge [16:12] <Aislinn> he was identifying himself with whichever side would protect his skin. [16:12] <GEORISA> instead the weasley name has more meaning them theirs [16:12] <Aislinn> I see Draco as primarily a coward. [16:12] <MrMcGonagall> Hey, I'm all about making reparation for one's sins. [16:12] <futureweasley> it means "traitor", "weakness", and "folly" [16:12] <fawkes28> but look at the epilogue - draco and harry could finally be civilized to each other [16:12] <Rudius> ROTFL [16:12] <Questauthor> I agree Aislinn [16:12] <fawkes28> war does change people [16:12] <cloudpic> mea culpa [16:12] <JaneMarple9> the malfoy name never meant much laugh except evil! [16:12] <HeliumHead> just [16:12] <Questauthor> i don't see that the malfoys ever repented or regretted anything [16:12] <Questauthor> if Volde had won, they'd be gloating on high, as it were [16:12] *** Kwikspell left #lounge [Leaving] [16:12] <Dreamteam> yes they were civil but only just [16:12] <fawkes28> but surely you see that the malfoys have redeemed themselves in some ways, Mr. M [16:12] <GEORISA> they are nobody in the wizarding world [16:13] <HeliumHead> oh, i think that draco did [16:13] <futureweasley> we don't see it. Questauthor, but I believe it is alluded to [16:13] <MrMcGonagall> I see no redemption either on Lucius or Draco's part. [16:13] <fawkes28> i don't know if they would have Questauthor [16:13] <GEORISA> ordinary people [16:13] <JaneMarple9> only just civilised smile They didn't speak to each other...just a curt nod [16:13] <Questauthor> They didn' t redeem themselves, they stayed true to their own selfishness [16:13] <Rudius> If voldy had won, the de's would have been the first to die. [16:13] <GEORISA> they always glorified themselves about being pure blooded [16:13] <fawkes28> they certainly were not happy for him to be in their house but if it was the Lucius from Book 2 - he would have been thrilled [16:13] <JaneMarple9> more than probably rudius [16:13] <Dreamteam> The Malfoys have been knocked down but to be redeemed surely there needs to be a voluntary aspect to it [16:13] <fawkes28> times have changed [16:13] <cloudpic> I don't think Lucius is redeemed.... I think he is destroyed. [16:13] <Rudius> if you come to power like that, you then get rid of the people who got you there [16:13] <fawkes28> i like that point, cp [16:13] <Questauthor> But he's destroyed as evil, not as "I was wrong and I deserve whatever I get" [16:14] <MrMcGonagall> the very fact that Jo says they weaselled out of any punishment leads me to believe that they ought to have been punished by wizarding justice. [16:14] <Aislinn> yes, Lucius was destroyed, which came about from his own choices. [16:14] <Questauthor> He wasn't "evil enough" so he became a pariah in the Volde camp [16:14] <Dreamteam> he certainly seemed destroyed at the manor, no longer the cool arrogance [16:14] <Mrs> I think Lucius is forced into humbleness because of where he is left [16:14] <futureweasley> I think that people accepted that they knew they were in the wrong...after all, they let them stay without a public crucifiction in the Great Hall after LV fell [16:14] <cloudpic> Some things are worse than death... his life is over as he'd want it. [16:14] <fawkes28> i agree completely, Mrs. [16:14] <Dreamteam> and he looked at Narcissa as though asking for permission or at least her opinion, not something he would have done before I don't think [16:14] *** the_heir_of_ravenclaw has quit [Bye] [16:14] <GEORISA> i wonder what they did after the fall of voldermort [16:14] <Kneazly> doesn't JKR say something about Draco's son being better than his father, because of Draco's humbling? [16:14] <fawkes28> We learn that the reason Dumbledore was able to see Harry under his invisibility cloak was because he used the homenum revelio spell, nonverbally. Did you think there was another reason he could see Harry - what were your theories? [16:14] <GEORISA> what does draco do for a living? [16:15] <Questauthor> Not selling hair products, apparently, Georisa [16:15] <Rudius> i think it made sense [16:15] <fawkes28> i really wished it was something more interesting than that [16:15] <Mrs> I really had no theory on that [16:15] <cloudpic> I was surprised the reason was so straightforward, actually. [16:15] <Dreamteam> ok, sorry have to go - missing cat [16:15] <Questauthor> I think that, in this case, it is how DD said [16:15] <Dreamteam> bye everyone [16:15] <Questauthor> bye dreamteam [16:15] <futureweasley> bye dreamteam [16:15] <cloudpic> bye [16:15] <mrh216> bye [16:15] <Kneazly> bye [16:15] <Rudius> bye dream team -good luck [16:15] <MrMcGonagall> Honestly, I thought this was a bit weird. Did DD sit around waving his wand, chanting "homenum revelio, homenum revelio..." [16:15] <fawkes28> it takes the magic out of knowing [16:15] <kneazlegirl> I was just always used to Dumbledore being able to do almost anything. [16:15] <fawkes28> me too, kneazlegirl [16:16] <cloudpic> When the new info about the putter-outer started to come out...thought it was that [16:16] <Rudius> i think he heard a noise while waiting and then did the charm [16:16] <futureweasley> well, I'm glad to know it's NOT because DD was part-demiguise or any of that other nonsense [16:16] *** Dreamteam has quit [Bye] [16:16] <mrh216> I didn't rally have a theory, just chalked it up to Dumbledore being Dumbledore [16:16] <Questauthor> But I also think that Dumbledore planned so much of Harry's life that he often EXPECTED him to be at certain places under the cloak [16:16] <cloudpic> I used to think he used "spies" [16:16] <fawkes28> i just thought he was that powerful that he could sense harry there [16:16] <JaneMarple9> i just thought it was a little more of dumbledores magic - it did not need explaining [16:16] <HeliumHead> agreed mrh [16:16] <Mrs> I think dumbledore sensed there was someone there, but did homenum revelio to confirm his suspicions [16:16] <fawkes28> we know, future :eyeborw: [16:16] <cloudpic> e.g. house-elves, chocolate frog cards, etc. [16:16] <fawkes28> eyebrow [16:16] <cloudpic> this is more direct [16:16] <futureweasley> that made sense, cp [16:16] <Questauthor> Chocolate frog cards - red herring! [16:16] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [16:17] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [16:17] <cloudpic> I like that too, future. [16:17] <Rudius> lol [16:17] <HeidiBug> didn't the DE use the humeum revelio on the trio when they were under the cloak and it didn't work? [16:17] <futureweasley> I can see where that would have been something DD would do [16:17] <Rudius> it did work [16:17] <cloudpic> They were, weren't they? Just one of the candy connections. [16:17] <HeidiBug> I thought DD saw Harry when he told the cloak off [16:17] <Rudius> they had to do some pretty smart maneuvering to get away [16:17] <Mrs> they tried to use accio cloak [16:17] <HeliumHead> no heidi, it did work [16:17] <JaneMarple9> so the chocolate frogs were just to get rid of dementors then? smile [16:17] <HeidiBug> I don't remember that part, anyone know the chapter or the page number? [16:18] <fawkes28> well, i guess most people wouldnt think to use that spell which makes dumbledore a great wizard [16:18] <JaneMarple9> that was chapter 28 [16:18] <cloudpic> Different wizards have different degrees of success with spells, evidently [16:18] <Questauthor> I was surprised at the cloak's meaning; I never got that the invisibility cloak was anything beyond a rare magical artifact [16:18] <HeidiBug> thanks [16:18] <Aislinn> yeah, I was too Questauthor [16:18] <cloudpic> That surprised me too [16:18] <Questauthor> Other cloaks were mentioned throughout [16:18] <JaneMarple9> The missing mirror - with Aberforth's goat laugh [16:18] <Rudius> talk about THIPS [16:18] <cloudpic> But there was evidence... we just didn't notice [16:18] <Aislinn> and we never heard that Harry's was different from the others [16:18] <Questauthor> exactly, aislinn [16:18] <JaneMarple9> i know - the cloak was the biggest THIPS ever [16:19] <Questauthor> If we'd heard that Mundungus' cloak was frayed or not working well... [16:19] <futureweasley> The cloak being a "hallow"...I mean, Jo practically wrote that out with crayon for us [16:19] <futureweasley> lol [16:19] <kneazlegirl> We never really saw any others, though. [16:19] <cloudpic> but they talked about the spells wearing off on other magical objects [16:19] <Questauthor> But I never got the uniqueness of the cloak, frankly [16:19] <Rudius> actually we did hear. [16:19] <JaneMarple9> but then again...it was a Invisibility Cloak laugh [16:19] <fawkes28> it's a shame no one was under it that night like we all thought [16:19] <cloudpic> LOLOL [16:19] <HeliumHead> though there were comments about his fine inviisbility cloak [16:19] <cloudpic> quite so, Jane [16:19] <JaneMarple9> yeah fawkes [16:19] <JaneMarple9> that was a shame [16:20] <fawkes28> Winky is still at Hogwarts, and was one of the house-elves that attacked the Death Eaters in the final battle. Given her ongoing dependence on butterbeer, what do you think caused her to join the fray? [16:20] <JaneMarple9> kreacher [16:20] <Questauthor> Ummm.... she thought they were making sushi? [16:20] <JaneMarple9> and dobby's death [16:20] <futureweasley> with her "Never Asked Question" from Radio City Music Hall...in hindsight, I'm really surprised I didn't see anyone make that connection before the book was released [16:20] <Rudius> it just dawned on me - moodys second cloak was not as good as the one he had lent to ...thingamabob... in OotP - he was complaining about it when the guy didnt pich up [16:20] <mrh216> definately [16:20] <HeliumHead> dutch courage [16:20] <JaneMarple9> she was close to dobby [16:20] <Kneazly> her master hated death eaters--she's still following his lead [16:20] <cloudpic> Oh... Dobby's death, I think so, Jane [16:20] <cloudpic> She needed a kind of shock treatment.... but I wish that hadn't been it [16:20] <MrMcGonagall> LOL, Helium. [16:20] <fawkes28> because if she didnt then no one was in the kitchen to go fetch a butterbeet for her [16:20] <Questauthor> I just wish the house elf magic had come to the forefront, rather than knives hacking at the legs of DEs [16:21] <Rudius> they told her that the DE's were going to cut her butterbeer ration [16:21] <JaneMarple9> dobby took care of her. she was doing it for dobby's memory [16:21] <futureweasley> well, she was wasted. Let's face it...alcohol + danger = courage [16:21] <Questauthor> hahahahaha [16:21] <kneazlegirl> Winky wasn't really important past GoF. [16:21] <Aislinn> it would have been cool to see the house-elf magic at work, Questauthor , I agree [16:21] <mrh216> I kind of liked the house elves with knives [16:21] <Questauthor> Yeah, but we'd heard so much about their special magic [16:21] <Rudius> stabbibg people in the knees... [16:21] <mrh216> no idea why though [16:21] <cloudpic> Perhaps they felt that it wouldn't have been wise for a down-the-road movement for equal rights if they appeared too powerful without wands? [16:21] <Questauthor> and apparently it extends to waging war with culinary implements [16:21] <fawkes28> i wonder if she ever got away from her addiction [16:21] <Kneazly> I liked it too, mrh--since they do so much cooking [16:21] <JaneMarple9> hmmmm kneazle - but dobby found the ROR when he hid winky [16:21] <mrh216> but their magic saved harry and the gang [16:21] <JaneMarple9> so in a way she helped there. [16:22] <kneazlegirl> Well, a bit. [16:22] <Questauthor> I wonder if Dobby is considered a hero or in high esteem in the elf community post Volde [16:22] <futureweasley> at the LeakyMug in Toronto, I think it was Andrew Sims who said he was surprised to see the houseelves charging into the revolt with spatulas and eggbeaters. I agree, that's just odd. [16:22] <cloudpic> I'm glad JKR included a being who was hiding from life in drink/drugs.... but as a minor character. [16:22] <Questauthor> Yes, it was Andrew [16:22] <fawkes28> well, they werent allowed to have wands [16:22] <JaneMarple9> if winky was additcted to butterbeer, dobby wouldn't know where the ROR was [16:22] <Questauthor> But still had magic, fwakes [16:22] <futureweasley> they didn't need wands! [16:22] <HeidiBug> It's funny, though [16:22] <cloudpic> And it was what they had at hand! [16:22] <MrMcGonagall> They also had some rather more lethal weapons. [16:22] <Kneazly> I liked it future--it's like they used the implements of their calling [16:22] <Questauthor> where was it in the final battle? [16:23] <HeidiBug> I think Jo was going for comic relief [16:23] <kneazlegirl> We don't know that all house-elves know how to use their magic well, though. [16:23] <cloudpic> Partly so, heidi [16:23] <Questauthor> and who is their master? Snape? [16:23] <JaneMarple9> house elves came in very useful in book 7 [16:23] <fawkes28> i predicted that they would fight - but i thought it was mcgonagall that was going to tell them to since i thought she would be headmistress [16:23] <HeliumHead> i don't think that house-elves can do offensive magic [16:23] <Questauthor> He was gone at that point... so who had control over them? [16:23] <Questauthor> Did it revert to minerva? [16:23] <cloudpic> Dobby did against Lucius [16:23] <fawkes28> well, it seemed that kreacher convinced them [16:23] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking kreacher recruited them [16:23] <Aislinn> not once he left the school, snape wouldn't have been their master at taht point [16:24] <fawkes28> and i am sure they were terrified and knew something was going on [16:24] <Questauthor> but to go against their master? I dunno,... [16:24] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [16:24] <mrh216> that;s what i thought, fawkes [16:24] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [16:24] <JaneMarple9> yay fawkes...snap laugh [16:24] <futureweasley> maybe they could beat their "masters" (aka naughty students and professors) at Hogwarts with blunt objects and that wouldn't require the ironing of hands so much as using magic against them would [16:24] <Kneazly> Maybe they didn't need to be ordered to--they were protecting Hogwarts [16:24] <cloudpic> Kreacher lead them, bless his shriveled old heart [16:24] <Rudius> they serve the school [16:24] <cloudpic> Good point Kneazly [16:24] <fawkes28> yes, rudi [16:24] <Questauthor> So when Minerva called the school to arms, they responded? [16:24] <Questauthor> could see that [16:24] <Rudius> snape quit so they were faithful to the deputy head [16:24] <fawkes28> and the school was in trouble so they fought [16:24] <Questauthor> I could see that, i mean [16:24] <kneazlegirl> True. [16:24] <JaneMarple9> ah kreacher....i loved him in book 7, what a personality change! [16:24] <Questauthor> Yes, Jane! [16:24] <fawkes28> Someone asked about whether the Deathly Hallows were based on any real world myth or fairie tale, and Jo referred to "The Pardoner's Tale" by Chaucer. Has anyone read this tale? Are you planning to? [16:24] <mrh216> Kreacher rocked [16:24] <futureweasley> I think the houseelves were jealous that the desks got a piece of the action before they did [16:25] <JaneMarple9> and because of a locket smile [16:25] <Questauthor> I never read it [16:25] <MrMcGonagall> Yes! I just re-read it yesterday. [16:25] <fawkes28> i am planning on it [16:25] <kneazlegirl> Me too, I went and re-read it when I heard that. [16:25] <Questauthor> I immediately likened Harry, Dumbledore and Snape to the Deathly Hallows symbol, tho [16:25] <Rudius> i need to find it first.... [16:25] <fawkes28> but would love to hear what Mr. M thinks [16:25] <Kneazly> A looooong time ago--I'm going to have to reread [16:25] <MrMcGonagall> My ilttle adventure into the world of Middle English. [16:25] <JaneMarple9> nope, never heard of it [16:25] <Aislinn> I haven't read it yet. [16:25] <kneazlegirl> We read it in British Lit last year. [16:25] <MrMcGonagall> Obvious parallels to DH. [16:25] <fawkes28> how? [16:25] <kneazlegirl> And I actually was reminded of that story when I read the Hallows tale. [16:25] <Questauthor> Do tell [16:26] <kneazlegirl> But I couldn't remember where it was from exactly. [16:26] *** Rudius requested CTCP is from #lounge: all ears [16:26] <MrMcGonagall> In the story, there are 3 brothers, rather nasty types... gambling, drinking, rioutous living. [16:26] * futureweasley wants MrMcG to tell us a story [16:26] *** MFactor left #lounge [Leaving] [16:26] <HeidiBug> Yes, I've read it, but I can't remember how it goes [16:26] <fawkes28> story time! [16:26] <Rudius> yay [16:26] * fawkes28 curls up by the fire [16:26] <MrMcGonagall> They hear that Death is taking many lives in the next village, so they decide to go out and conquer death. [16:26] <Rudius> ok sshhhhh let Mr McG talk [16:26] <HeidiBug> story time! [16:27] <MrMcGonagall> They are rather rude to an elderly beggar they meet along the road, and the man tells them Death can be met at an oak tree yonder. [16:27] <MrMcGonagall> The brothers arrive at the tree and find bushels of gold coins. [16:27] <MrMcGonagall> They form a plan to take the gold away, and send the youngest brother into town to fetch what is needed. [16:27] *** GEORISA has quit [Bye] [16:28] <MrMcGonagall> The other two brothers conspire against the third and decide to kill him when he returns so that they only have to divide the treasure in two. [16:28] <MrMcGonagall> The third brother goes to town, and desiring the treasure for his own, buys poison and puts it in two bottles of wine for his brothers. [16:29] <Aislinn> uh oh [16:29] <Rudius> thisll end in tears [16:29] <futureweasley> *insert creepy music* [16:29] <HeidiBug> oh, I remember now [16:29] <MrMcGonagall> Needless to say, all three wind up dead because of their covetousness and greed. [16:29] <futureweasley> suckers [16:29] <fawkes28> now look at who is talking - pfft [16:29] <mrh216> of course [16:29] <Rudius> lol [16:29] <kneazlegirl> Wait, were they brothers? I didn't remember that. [16:29] <Aislinn> yeah, it definitely sounds like it has strong parallels to the DH tale [16:29] <Rudius> oops [16:29] <fawkes28> very much so [16:30] <kneazlegirl> But yeah, especially the "conquering Death" part. [16:30] <futureweasley> Beetle Bard = Geoffrey Chaucer? [16:30] <fawkes28> apparently [16:30] <Questauthor> I could see that parallel [16:30] <mrh216> seems that way [16:30] <Aislinn> thanks for telling us the story, Mr M! [16:30] <futureweasley> hmm, very interesting [16:30] <MrMcGonagall> My pleasure! [16:30] <HeidiBug> yes, thanks! [16:30] <Questauthor> *Claps* Thanks, Mr. McG! [16:30] <Rudius> woot [16:30] <Mrs> yes, thank you! [16:30] * futureweasley applauds MrMcGonagall [16:30] <fawkes28> thanks, Mr. Mm [16:30] <HeliumHead> thanks [16:30] <fawkes28> ok moving on.... [16:30] <Kneazly> Mr McG, ever thought about a Chaucer in a Nutshell book? [16:30] <mrh216> thanks! [16:30] <fawkes28> Jo explained that the phrase 'in essence divided' means that Nagini's essence was divided because it also housed a piece of Voldemort's soul, and that this is also why Harry could see through the snake's eyes. Had you imagined that this is what the phrase meant? [16:31] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it's exactly what I thought. [16:31] <HeidiBug> yes, same here [16:31] <MrMcGonagall> As fawkes knows very well. [16:31] <Questauthor> YEs, it made sense [16:31] <Kneazly> Nope. I thought it was Harry and LV who were linked but divided [16:31] <Rudius> yes... but i hadnt made that final conclusion [16:31] <mrh216> that was my thinking as well [16:31] <Mrs> yup, I was thinking along those lines [16:31] <futureweasley> no, I had no idea. [16:31] <kneazlegirl> No, I thought it referred to Harry and Voldemort's connection. [16:31] <kneazlegirl> Yeah. [16:31] <futureweasley> I was a mess when it came to understanding...well, a lot [16:31] * fawkes28 mutters tupid nagini being a horcrux [16:31] <Kneazly> Glad the Kneazles are in agreement [16:31] <HeliumHead> i was uncertain [16:31] <kneazlegirl> I didn't think Nagini was a horcrux. [16:31] <kneazlegirl> biggrin [16:32] <JaneMarple9> nor did i [16:32] <fawkes28> exactly, kneazlegirl [16:32] <MrMcGonagall> you were in good company, knezalegirl. [16:32] <fawkes28> i lost sad [16:32] <JaneMarple9> thought the snake....was a snake smile [16:32] <fawkes28> stupid nagini [16:32] <futureweasley> I thought Harry was a horcrux, and could see through Nagini's eyes because LV was imperiusing the snake [16:32] <mrh216> I never doubted that she was a horcrux [16:32] <fawkes28> thought it was a red herring [16:32] <futureweasley> me too, fawkes [16:32] <Rudius> well she was pwned by neville so there you go [16:32] <kneazlegirl> I was sure that Dumbledore had to be wrong about something. [16:32] <futureweasley> I, however, wasn't foolish enough to BET on it [16:32] <Aislinn> I was a bit undecided [16:32] <JaneMarple9> me too fawkes [16:32] <Mrs> i always thought nagini was a horcrux, but never thought harry was [16:32] <mrh216> didn't think Harry was one though [16:32] <cloudpic> I thought neither Nagini nor Harry were horcruxes.. shows how off I was [16:32] <MrMcGonagall> LOL future. [16:32] <JaneMarple9> as for harry is a horcrux.... sad [16:33] <kneazlegirl> But he actually was more right than we knew. [16:33] <cloudpic> It seemed like such a risk! [16:33] <cloudpic> Living beings to hide your soul bit [16:33] <Rudius> yeah Harrycrux was a bit of a nasty shock for me [16:33] <Kneazly> I thought nagini was being inhabited by LV, and the connection was between Harry and LV. [16:33] <Questauthor> I hear ya futureweasley [16:33] <mrh216> yeah, but Voldy'd arrogant [16:33] <Aislinn> it does seem a bit shortsighted, cloudpic [16:33] <Questauthor> I was so undecided about Harry as a Horocrux [16:33] <futureweasley> I was completely vindicated in the "Harrycrux" thing. [16:33] <Questauthor> I purposely declined to make a decision [16:34] <Mrs> it just didnt make sense harry could be one because of the whole pain voldy felt when he occupied harry at the end of OotP [16:34] <fawkes28> future did a good job predicting things - i should have listened to her [16:34] <Rudius> wise choice, questauthor [16:34] <futureweasley> it was a huge relief for me that I hadn't been "delusional" for all this time [16:34] <Aislinn> I thought there was a piece of voldy in Harry, but I didn't think it was a Horcrux [16:34] <kneazlegirl> I did think Harry was a horcrux, but I didn't want him to be. [16:34] <Kneazly> I was soo reluctant to accept harry as a horcrux, but it worked out in the end [16:34] <kneazlegirl> It worked out alright in the end, though. [16:34] <kneazlegirl> Exactly. XD [16:34] <Questauthor> I figured I was just along for the ride at this point, and since I was so freaking abysmal at deciphering things for HBP, I stayed far far away! [16:34] <Kneazly> okay, snap again kneazlegirl [16:34] <fawkes28> We learn that Dudley's worst memory, seen when attacked by the Dementors, was a clear view of himself as he really was, and that this started a transformation in him. Did any of you guess that this was his vision? What did you think it was? [16:34] <futureweasley> yes, how it worked out is still a bit of a mystery...but I like it [16:34] <JaneMarple9> i didn't mind voldies soul being on harrys soul [16:35] <Rudius> that didnt make sense to me [16:35] <Questauthor> I thought it was fantastic, that Dudley managed to gain some insight [16:35] <Mrs> no, i had no clue that was his worst memory [16:35] <JaneMarple9> i was more concerned for his scar being a horcrux. i was relieved [16:35] <MrMcGonagall> I had no idea or theory on this question. [16:35] <mrh216> i was shocked actually [16:35] <Aislinn> it was brilliant [16:35] <futureweasley> I was SO glad that Dudders took a turn for the better [16:35] <Questauthor> I think it was that, and Dumbledore's comment in HPB that got him going [16:35] <cloudpic> As he hadn't had any real trauma.... but inflicted on others it seemed possible... though I didn't articulate it that way [16:35] <futureweasley> I had a theory...but I was WAY off [16:35] <Aislinn> I think soonergryffindor guessed that this was what he saw [16:35] <HeidiBug> I had no idea what Dudley saw [16:35] <futureweasley> WAYWAYWAY off [16:35] <Questauthor> I really wish Dudley had been on the platform at the end with his kid going to Hoggy's [16:35] <Rudius> i was thiking it made you live youre worst memories - not strip all your illusions [16:35] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking, dudlleys memory was seeing himself in his true colours [16:35] <kneazlegirl> I don't think we could have expected that because it's not really a "memory". [16:35] <HeidiBug> that would have been funny, questauthor [16:35] <fawkes28> i was not surprised by it [16:36] <cloudpic> Oh... that'd have been nice, Questauthor [16:36] <kneazlegirl> But it does make a lot of sense. [16:36] <JaneMarple9> seeing himself as a bully [16:36] <Aislinn> that would have been very cool, Questauthor - can you imagine Vernon having to deal with a wizard grandchild? [16:36] <Questauthor> Seeing his future if he remained a bully [16:36] <Questauthor> hahahaha [16:36] <fawkes28> sometimes it takes different circumstances in order to see what our lives really are like [16:36] <kneazlegirl> That would be hilarious [16:36] <cloudpic> Yes, Jane... seeing the pain he inflicted on others [16:36] <Questauthor> That's what Ifigured the "late life magic" thingn woudl turn out to be [16:36] <JaneMarple9> but i love the way dudley developed a backbone! [16:36] <mrh216> Vernon would explode [16:36] <cloudpic> I thought maybe even feeling it from their perspective [16:36] <MrMcGonagall> I stilll have some difficulty imagining how Dudley would envision this during a dementor attack. [16:36] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [16:36] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [16:36] <JaneMarple9> he was the one dursley who accepted harry for who he was [16:37] <cloudpic> Vernon exploding = likely possibility in any case, mrh [16:37] <HeidiBug> He'd just see himself beating up 10 year olds, I gues [16:37] <cloudpic> He's always blowing his top [16:37] <mrh216> true, cp [16:37] <JaneMarple9> vernon will never change [16:37] <kneazlegirl> Maybe it wasn't a single memory so much as a more objective look at his memories as a whole. [16:37] <Questauthor> I think it shows that in some way, Dudley had imagined his life, had some sort of remorse for seeing what he was becoming... and the dementors made him focus on it [16:37] <Aislinn> yeah, I think it was seeing himself picking on others, but from their point of view [16:37] <futureweasley> Dudders and the cold tea...I just thought that was precious [16:37] <MrMcGonagall> Being bullied by others. [16:38] <Questauthor> I did too, FutureW [16:38] <JaneMarple9> yeah that was good future [16:38] <mrh216> me too, future [16:38] <futureweasley> and the "I don't think you're a waste of space" thing...blew me away [16:38] <JaneMarple9> i wasn't expecting that [16:38] <Questauthor> Harry's realization of what it was... so sweet [16:38] <futureweasley> I was jaw-absent [16:38] <cloudpic> That was startling!! [16:38] <Mrs> i ahda big awww, moment at the rea futureweasley [16:38] <Questauthor> And that he was shocked that harry wasn't goign with them [16:38] <mrh216> i appreciated dudley in this one [16:38] <fawkes28> yes, that was very nice [16:38] <Rudius> that was hilarious [16:38] <JaneMarple9> awww "i don't think you're a waste of space" [16:38] <MrMcGonagall> Heehee. That's as close as he gets to "I love you." [16:38] <cloudpic> Read it back twice thinking I'd misread [16:38] <fawkes28> at least he was able to so some sort of affection to harry [16:38] <futureweasley> that was great, MrMcG [16:38] <futureweasley> I died [16:38] <fawkes28> i thought perhaps petunia would but no [16:38] <JaneMarple9> I literally had to scrape my jaw off the floor [16:38] <Questauthor> And darn that Petunia [16:38] <HeidiBug> "If Harry hadn't seen Dudley's lips move, he never would have believed that he'd said it" [16:38] <Rudius> "If he hadn't seen Dudley saying it he would never have believed it" [16:38] <mrh216> so did i, cp [16:39] <Questauthor> she missed the golden opportunity [16:39] <futureweasley> Petunia disappointed me above all [16:39] <Questauthor> let the snitch free on that one [16:39] <MrMcGonagall> dudley made me almost as happy as Kreacher's conversion. [16:39] <Questauthor> same here [16:39] <HeidiBug> yeah, I knew I'd gotten that quote wrong [16:39] <Aislinn> me too, futureweasley [16:39] <cloudpic> Dudley has surpassed both parents in the decency department [16:39] <JaneMarple9> petunia was very disappointing [16:39] <Aislinn> I really wanted her to finally talk to Harry [16:39] <HeidiBug> I LOVED Kreature! [16:39] <MrMcGonagall> I was dissapointed by Tuney, too, fw. [16:39] <futureweasley> I had a lot of love and hope for Petunia...she is truly just awful [16:39] <cloudpic> though that's not saying much [16:39] <fawkes28> i thought maybe she would come back later in the book when she left without saying something [16:39] <Questauthor> The fact that she was more impressed with Dudley's words than Harry's actions... sigh [16:39] <Aislinn> I did too, fawkes28 [16:39] <HeidiBug> Yeah, I hoping for more from Petunia as well [16:39] <JaneMarple9> i was really disappointed with the creaking stair being a red herring sad [16:39] <fawkes28> i thought she had something of Lily's to give Harry - sooo disappointed [16:39] <MrMcGonagall> Petunia and her little twitchy lips. Good grief. [16:39] <mrh216> ditto, quest [16:39] <fawkes28> exactly, Jane [16:39] <futureweasley> Tuney, who was NOT loved by Snape...rather loathed by Snape...so much so that he let a tree branch do the talking! [16:40] <JaneMarple9> I wanted so so so much more from petunia [16:40] <cloudpic> Remember how Harry said sometimes he had no words for things? I kind of thought that's what happened to her. [16:40] <HeidiBug> lol, future [16:40] <Questauthor> maybe the tree branch damanged her more than we realized [16:40] <Aislinn> so much for that ship, future [16:40] <JaneMarple9> tuney laugh how fitting! [16:40] <futureweasley> that ship went by the way of the Titanic [16:40] <HeidiBug> that was an interesting ship, though [16:40] <Rudius> ah that was disssapiointing for me [16:40] <Rudius> I so thought the awful boy was Sirius [16:41] <JaneMarple9> i loved seeing a younger petunia [16:41] <fawkes28> i know, i thought of you while i was reading, future [16:41] <Questauthor> I figured it was Snape somehow, but the way it came together... made sense [16:41] <MrMcGonagall> Yep, the HMS Snapetunia was replaced by the sister ship, the HMS Snily. [16:41] <Questauthor> hahahahahaha [16:41] <cloudpic> I'd been so convinced by anguinea's and others' vision of Snape and unrequited love for Lily... the Petunia thing just seemed unlikely [16:41] <HeliumHead> i'd always wondered if it were snape [16:41] <JaneMarple9> i had that awful boy down for sirius or snape! [16:41] <Rudius> Flirting with her in a casual"im bored and need something to do" kind of way while James was wooing lily [16:41] <MrMcGonagall> I was a Snily theorist for a long time. [16:41] <JaneMarple9> the HMS Snily! yay!!!!!!!! laugh [16:41] <HeidiBug> It's strange that Petunia would talk to Vernon about Snape, though. [16:41] <futureweasley> LOL...I hate that! Snily! BLECH! Who knew?! [16:41] <Questauthor> I felt sad for her when she wrote DD tho [16:41] <cloudpic> I thought so... but it wasn't my thought. [16:41] <Questauthor> But her actions... man. She so blew it [16:41] <Mrs> I was always a snape/lilly believer [16:41] <JaneMarple9> Snily - what a great word! [16:42] <cloudpic> I did too, Questauthor... [16:42] <Aislinn> I believed for a long time that snape and lily knew each other as kids, and were platonic friends, but I didn't believe in the shipping aspect [16:42] <JaneMarple9> i did feel a little sorry for petunia [16:42] <futureweasley> me too Aislinn [16:42] <JaneMarple9> but she handled it wrong [16:42] <futureweasley> I was a big supporter of the "childhood friends" theory [16:42] <kneazlegirl> I knew Snape and Lily had to have some connections, there were too many clues for it. [16:42] <fawkes28> Lupin was killed by Dolohov and Tonks was killed by Bellatrix. How did you feel when you learned this? [16:42] <Rudius> but the irony of her writing to ask to come to Hogwarts... [16:42] <futureweasley> but the "unrequited love "thing?! I was appalled the first time I read it [16:42] <Questauthor> Pissed off, frankly [16:42] <Questauthor> Sorry [16:42] <JaneMarple9> me too ainlinn - i had a feeling that the evans knew snape [16:42] <HeidiBug> It helped a bit. [16:43] <HeidiBug> Made me wish Molly had killed Bellatrix sooner [16:43] <mrh216> I kind od expected that [16:43] <Rudius> any more irony and it'd be an anchor on the HMS Snily [16:43] <MrMcGonagall> I was greatly upset that Bella fulfilled the mission that LV gave her. I wouldn't have felt as bad if ANY other DE had killed Tonks. [16:43] <Mrs> garr, I'm still angered by Lupin and Tonks dying [16:43] <cloudpic> Bella had been given quite an incentive to kill Tonks [16:43] <Aislinn> I was so mad that Bella succeeded in the task set her by Voldy [16:43] <JaneMarple9> doesn't help that they are both dead [16:43] <futureweasley> I just wish Molly had found Bella before the death of Tonks and said, "NOT MY COUSIN, YOU B&%&$!" [16:43] <kneazlegirl> I had a very bad feeling when I read that part of chapter 1. [16:43] <Questauthor> I did too, kneazlgirl [16:43] <fawkes28> sooo mad - i thought that Tonks was going to kill here when we found out Bella was on a mission to kill her [16:43] <Rudius> it was neither here or there for me who did it - i was just sad that it happened [16:43] <HeidiBug> I had actually wanted it to be both of them instead of one or the other [16:43] <mrh216> so did i kneazle [16:43] <Questauthor> and when Harry was made godfather... I cringed [16:43] <cloudpic> We're supposed to be angry when people are murdered. But angry because of the hate that causes it. [16:43] <JaneMarple9> i wish wish wish one of them survived [16:44] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, that was a clear "circle of life" kind of thing. [16:44] <mrh216> i wish both of them had survived [16:44] <Questauthor> Ok, remind me, did Doholov die? [16:44] <Questauthor> in the book? [16:44] <futureweasley> I understand Jo wanting to mirror Harry's situation [16:44] <fawkes28> i wish we had at least had something besides one line telling us that they were lying there besides Fred [16:44] <HeidiBug> yeah, I understand that too [16:44] <cloudpic> It made things a full circle. I was not happy... not at all, but it made sense. [16:44] <Mrs> oh yeah, I knew the deaths were coming with harry being godfather and what voldy told Bella in chapter 1 [16:44] <fawkes28> they were major characters we deserved more than one lousy line [16:44] <Aislinn> I don't know if he died, but he was taken down by one of the Order members, Questauthor [16:44] <mrh216> i understand it, but i don't like it [16:44] <Questauthor> When she wrote they were like sleeping, I thought "Maybe they are just really tired? Resting before the next round?" [16:45] <HeidiBug> I knew they were both goners when Harry said to Ginny that Lupin and Tonks would be okay "But he knew they were empty words" [16:45] <Questauthor> wishful thinking [16:45] <fawkes28> no, i knew they had died - probably because i had feared lupin dying [16:45] <mrh216> i held out hope until Harry conjured Lupin tith the stone [16:45] <HeidiBug> Oh, that made me cry! [16:45] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html [16:45] <Questauthor> woot! [16:45] <Questauthor> I managed to stay the entire time! [16:45] <cloudpic> Both characters... Lupin and Tonks were great losses... and in the huge calamity of war those things are sometimes overwhelmed [16:45] <Aislinn> woot! [16:45] <cloudpic> It does fit life, sadly. [16:46] <futureweasley> party15 questauthor [16:46] <Questauthor> tee hee [16:46] <Rudius> in the end, lupin didnt really have much of a life as a werewolf [16:46] <Questauthor> It was inevitable that people died [16:46] <HeidiBug> I cried for days, over the two of them. I really did. [16:46] <Questauthor> just so very sad [16:46] <Rudius> but it was still sad This post has been edited by futureweasley: Aug 12 2007, 04:52 PM |
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[16:46] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, I think Jo was deliberately pointing that out.
[16:46] <fawkes28> Little Teddy Lupin was confirmed to have been raised by his grandmother, Andromeda Tonks, but Jo made a contrast between that life and the one Neville had, raised by his formidable grandmother. What role do you feel Harry played in making contrast possible? [16:46] <cloudpic> No, he didn't... just a few moments of joy. [16:46] <MrMcGonagall> I was becoming a bit desensitized by that point in the story. [16:46] <Questauthor> As much as possible, he was a good influence [16:46] <fawkes28> nope, i was bawling [16:46] <JaneMarple9> he probably had a big role [16:46] <futureweasley> I think Harry made a huge difference [16:46] <Questauthor> I think Harr learned lessons from sirius, lupin, Arthur, Dumbledore, JAmes [16:46] <MrMcGonagall> Harry would have been a pretty involved godfather, not like an Uncle Algie. [16:47] <Questauthor> on how to be a positive role modle [16:47] <HeidiBug> I think Harry had a great influence. [16:47] <Mrs> a HUGE role I'm sure... visiting frequently and when Harry and Ginny had made babies, bringing them over to play [16:47] <Questauthor> model [16:47] <Aislinn> it mentioned that Teddy was over at their house 4 days a week, so it seems there was a lot of contact. [16:47] <Rudius> Teddy could visit younger people and had a more balanced upbringing [16:47] <Questauthor> It seems from the epi he's over a lot [16:47] <cloudpic> Well, JKR also said that Teddy saw a great deal of Harry and the others who were freinds of Lupin and Tonks in the Order.. [16:47] <JaneMarple9> after all harry is teddy's godfather [16:47] <fawkes28> I think Harry was a huge part of his life, knowing that he would need a male role model [16:47] *** ginginkat has joined #lounge [16:47] <MrMcGonagall> And Andromeda is not like Augusta, as cool as I think Augusta is. [16:47] <futureweasley> Jo is careful to point out the Harry's kids LOVE Teddy...that he's an active part of the Potter's lives, their family, their home [16:47] <Rudius> he was also never raised to believe he was not living up to his parents [16:47] <JaneMarple9> i reckon he spent some time at the weasleys too [16:47] <Questauthor> Important distinction rudius [16:47] <mrh216> i'm sure Harru loved Teddy as much as his own children [16:47] *** ginginkat has quit [Bye] [16:47] <Questauthor> I imagine he was mass raised, much like Harry, but with happier times [16:47] <Aislinn> yes, rudius, that was the big problem with Augusta [16:48] <fawkes28> Also, Harry was perfect for the role of godfather because he knows what it is like to be an orphan and I am sure he dedicated himself to making sure Teddy had the best childhood possible [16:48] <JaneMarple9> yes quest [16:48] <cloudpic> But after all, she had raised Tonks.... and she seemed very unlike her sisters! I liked 'Dromeda right away... even in the short time we saw her [16:48] <Rudius> Teddy was all that was left of the marauders - except himself [16:48] <futureweasley> Harry has love to give in spades...I agree that he loved Teddy with everything he could [16:48] <Aislinn> great point, fawkes [16:48] <cloudpic> true, future [16:48] <Questauthor> Yes, fawkes, wonderful! [16:48] <Kneazly> Yeah, she did a good job with Tonks. [16:48] <JaneMarple9> 'dromeda seemed a decent black [16:48] <Mrs> ear ear fawkes [16:48] <HeidiBug> I agree, fawkes [16:48] <cloudpic> I'd bet little Teddy got a broom when he was a year old! [16:48] <HeidiBug> lol [16:48] <Rudius> lol [16:48] <fawkes28> awww, cloudpic [16:48] <futureweasley> plus, he loved Tonks and Remus...he would actually be doing them the service of raising their child in their memory...kind of mirroring what Snape was supposed to do, but different [16:48] <JaneMarple9> smile i'd say so [16:48] <MrMcGonagall> Awww, I agree, cp [16:49] <Questauthor> wonder if Harry and Ginny lived at Grimauld place [16:49] <HeidiBug> haha, I don't think so [16:49] <Rudius> id say so [16:49] <futureweasley> I don't see then living at GP [16:49] <futureweasley> *them [16:49] <Aislinn> I think they would have a place more like Shell cottage [16:49] <Questauthor> It's in London near the MoM [16:49] <fawkes28> Harry probably will always feel some guilt to for those that lost their lives at the battle [16:49] <HeidiBug> All those house elf heads on the wall? Creepy [16:49] <JaneMarple9> either grimmauld place or godric's hollow [16:49] <Rudius> im sure kreacher could remove those pictures... [16:49] <cloudpic> I'm guessing Harry was a better godfather than Sirius *ducks* [16:49] <Questauthor> I'm sure they're gone [16:49] <Questauthor> I agree, cp [16:49] <Questauthor> no ducking here [16:49] <fawkes28> i would like to think they live at Godric's Hollow [16:49] <futureweasley> me too Aislinn... I love how we got to see that [16:49] <mrh216> i like to think they lived in Godric's Hollow [16:49] <Rudius> i agreee CP [16:49] <HeidiBug> i'm thinking godric's hollow too [16:49] <Questauthor> I would not like them to be at Godric's [16:49] <JaneMarple9> godric's hollow was harry's first home [16:49] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I see Harry and Ginny settling somplace homier. [16:49] <Mrs> I definately agree cloudpic [16:50] <Questauthor> Under the shadow of the statue? [16:50] <Questauthor> That would be... I dunno the right word [16:50] <Rudius> maybe they rebuilt his parents house? [16:50] <kneazlegirl> Maybe something similar to the Burrow, since Harry always loved it there. [16:50] <cloudpic> Down the road from Gran and Grampa Weasley....neighbors to the Lovegoods? [16:50] <JaneMarple9> of course they'd spend time at the burrow and at shell cottage [16:50] <Mrs> no, i dont think they settled in Godrics Hollow [16:50] <MrMcGonagall> They should settle in the neighborhood of Ottery St. Catchpole. [16:50] <futureweasley> Sirius wasn't a great Godfather...he had his pluses...but I don't really fault Sirius for turning out as he did. I think, given the circumstances, Sirius did the best he could [16:50] <JaneMarple9> nice point rudius [16:50] <kneazlegirl> Godric's Hollow seems kind of isolated. [16:50] <Aislinn> they would settle somewhere near Hermione and Ron, for sure. [16:50] <cloudpic> That's true, future. [16:50] <JaneMarple9> hmmmm become the lovegood's next door neighbours? [16:50] <fawkes28> yes, i think harry would have learned from that relationship and be better than sirius [16:50] <Mrs> I agree, being close to the grandparent weasleys and lovegoods [16:51] <Kneazly> With Kreacher on their side, maybe they could make GP a bit homier [16:51] <Mrs> i like that [16:51] <mrh216> i agree, future [16:51] <HeidiBug> Sirius had that problem of associating Harry with James, which got in the way of his godfather abilites [16:51] <MrMcGonagall> Or perhaps near Bill and Fleur. The coast is nice, and Harry liked the ocean. [16:51] <HeidiBug> not that you can blame the man [16:51] <JaneMarple9> yes kreacher could make grimmauld place nicer [16:51] <cloudpic> Can see all the kids playing quidditch were the Weasley kids did [16:51] <Rudius> well all wizarding communities are isolated - they apparate and travel by floo - its like living next door to each other convenience wise [16:51] <fawkes28> Snape's portrait was not hanging in the headmaster's office because, according to Jo, he had abandoned his post before dying and thus "had not merited inclusion in these august circles." Does this seem fair, to exclude him for leaving? [16:51] <Aislinn> nice picture, cloudpic [16:51] <Questauthor> Yes [16:51] <HeidiBug> yeah, I think it makes sense [16:51] <fawkes28> well, he didnt even fulfill a year so yes [16:51] <Questauthor> Totally. I don't think Snape was a true headmaster. Allowing chilodren to be tortured? [16:51] <MrMcGonagall> Well, she did say Harry probably managed to get his portrait included in later years. [16:51] <HeliumHead> Yes [16:51] <futureweasley> honestly, I don't know [16:51] <Mrs> it seems a bit cruel with all that snape had gone through [16:52] <mrh216> she also said that Harry would make sure that the portrait would go up eventually [16:52] <fawkes28> hogwarts is nice to you when you are nice to it and vicecersa [16:52] <HeidiBug> Snape was protecting the students, though [16:52] <MrMcGonagall> He was a greasy git put there by LV. I had no problem with him being excluded. [16:52] <Questauthor> Put him in the Slytheran common room [16:52] <JaneMarple9> a little unfair. after all he was headmaster [16:52] <futureweasley> I don't believe he "abandoned" his post [16:52] <cloudpic> I don't think he left as an abandonment. I think that rather than duel with Minerva and hurt her... hel fled [16:52] <futureweasley> maybe I misread all that [16:52] <Rudius> im undecided [16:52] <kneazlegirl> It does make sense, but I'd have been very disappointed if he hadn't gotten a portrait at all. [16:52] <JaneMarple9> yeah questauthor - thats a good get out clause [16:52] <Questauthor> I say honor him as a Slytheran but not as a Headmaster [16:52] <Aislinn> he did abandon it [16:52] <mrh216> me too, knealegorl [16:52] <HeidiBug> But Jo said Harry would make sure his portrait ended up there [16:52] <cloudpic> But he did... Jo said Harry'd see to it. [16:52] <futureweasley> he left for the greater good [16:52] <Kneazly> I felt sorry for him--he had to let so many horrible things happen in order for DD's plan to work [16:52] <JaneMarple9> have a nice picture of snape in slytherin [16:53] <Aislinn> It might have been in his view of following DD's plan, but he did abandon the school when it was under siege. [16:53] <cloudpic> LOL... jinx Heidi [16:53] <kneazlegirl> Think of all the amusing interactions it could have with the other portraits and students! [16:53] <HeidiBug> lol [16:53] <futureweasley> I wouldn't necessarily categorize that as "abandonment" [16:53] <fawkes28> true, Aislinn [16:53] <cloudpic> He'd have been fighting both sides [16:53] <JaneMarple9> philius and snape would get along well! [16:53] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder if DD ever thought Snape would one day sit in his chair. [16:53] <Aislinn> that was when he would be needed the most [16:53] <Mrs> oh man, id love to see the look on snapeportrait's face when harry's kids might come into the headmaster/mistress's office [16:53] <HeidiBug> Oh my, Snape's portrait having to put up with Dumbledore's portrait! I can just imagine the conversations! [16:53] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [16:53] <cloudpic> too much possiblity for wrong poeple being hurt [16:53] <Questauthor> I think he probably assumed it, Mr. McG [16:53] <JaneMarple9> i#m sure he did mr mcg [16:53] <Aislinn> a double agent has to come back to the right side sometime, and that would have been the moment. [16:53] <cloudpic> LOL... Heidi [16:53] <fawkes28> Hogwarts needed him but he followed the plan which got him killed [16:54] <JaneMarple9> he probably planed it so [16:54] <cloudpic> In the heat of battle that'd be hard to manage [16:54] <Rudius> I actually think snape and dd got on well when things were going OK [16:54] <kneazlegirl> And now we know that portraits can actually do more than just deliver messages and say catchphrases. [16:54] <JaneMarple9> so do i rudius [16:54] <Aislinn> they did seem to reach an accord, rudius [16:54] <Mrs> or if snapeportrait ever heard albus severus... i;d want to know his reaction [16:54] <Questauthor> From some of the snippets of convos we got from Snape's memories, I don't think DD was too impressed with Snape's motives tho [16:54] <fawkes28> i think that would have been the better path toward redemption and he still could have fulfilled his duty to Dd and given the memories to Harry [16:54] <JaneMarple9> what else can they do kneazlgirl? remind me [16:54] <Rudius> i think dd saw alot of himself in snape, and thats why he was so hard on him at times [16:54] <Aislinn> not at all. [16:54] <HeidiBug> There's a GREAT comic of that, Mrs. [16:55] <Aislinn> exactly fawkes [16:55] <kneazlegirl> We saw Dumbledore's portrait giving Snape in-depth instructions about what to do next. [16:55] <Aislinn> you mean, see what he could have become if he hadn't changed, rudius? [16:55] <kneazlegirl> Which shows that portraits can keep up with recent events and plan based on them. [16:56] <Questauthor> I don't think we ever got a full scope of what the portraits could do [16:56] <Questauthor> But I loved that the armor and desks fought for Hogwarts [16:56] <Aislinn> that was fantastic [16:56] <mrh216> that was geat [16:56] <Questauthor> looooooooooooooooved it [16:56] <mrh216> John called it [16:56] <Mrs> I thought the portraits were capable of a lot... so it came to no surpise how much DD's portrait did [16:56] <kneazlegirl> The desks were awesome. [16:56] <MrMcGonagall> Piertotum locomotor! [16:56] <Questauthor> woot! [16:56] <Aislinn> yeah, I always thought that one comment of Jo's about the portraits was really misleading [16:57] <Mrs> ahhh, the charging desks! [16:57] <Rudius> no - snape had a loss of a loved one which turned him from the Dark Path, like Dumbledore - only he turned later in life, hence he had gone further down the path than DD had [16:57] <cloudpic> Yes.... we had echoes of both Mary Poppins and Bedknobs and Broomsticks... nice touch [16:57] <Aislinn> there has always been a lot more to them than just catchphrases [16:57] <Questauthor> very much so, cp! [16:57] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, that was definitely misleading. [16:57] <Questauthor> Oh the red herring list is endless! [16:57] <kneazlegirl> But she may have just changed her mind. [16:57] <fawkes28> Dd would have made sure that his portrait was powerful and capable of helping those he left behind [16:57] <fawkes28> yes, it is, questauthor [16:57] <Aislinn> hmmm, too late in the chat to address that, rudius biggrin [16:57] <kneazlegirl> True, his portrait may be different from the others. [16:57] <Rudius> he never truly left as long as there was someone loyal to him there [16:58] <fawkes28> we fell for so many of them too! darn, those red herrings [16:58] <kneazlegirl> We need an entire chat just to discuss Snape. [16:58] <mrh216> yeas we did [16:58] <fawkes28> or several chats, even laugh [16:58] <cloudpic> LOL... that was fun for JKR...but for us too. [16:58] * MrMcGonagall pours fawkes a glass of blush to go with her herring. [16:58] <Mrs> "the many complexities of snape" chate [16:58] <Questauthor> snort [16:58] <fawkes28> aren't you sweet? [16:58] <Rudius> hee hee - well invite me for a chat on snape and we can have a rip roaring discussion biggrin [16:58] <Questauthor> a nice glass of red out of the question? [16:58] <fawkes28> you betcha! [16:58] <mrh216> my whole attitude towards snape changed in DH [16:59] <Questauthor> mine too, mrh! [16:59] <MrMcGonagall> We'll probably have several chats on Snape at some point. [16:59] <Rudius> no white goes with fish [16:59] <Questauthor> true that [16:59] <Kneazly> who was eating the dishcloths? [16:59] <Rudius> me - sorry [16:59] <cloudpic> Well... perhaps some will be eating crow... or Yes! [16:59] <fawkes28> oh, that would be me [16:59] <cloudpic> socks or dishcloths? [16:59] <fawkes28> as well as drinking some red wine because i lost a bet to Mr. M [16:59] <futureweasley> well, this was a great chat everyone! Join us on Wednesday for another installment of "I was right, you were wrong" hahaha, just kidding [16:59] <cloudpic> ROTFL [17:00] <fawkes28> LOL [17:00] <Questauthor> thanks, Future! [17:00] <Questauthor> CAn't wait! [17:00] <mrh216> lol [17:00] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming, everyone! [17:00] <Rudius> lol [17:00] <Mrs> hahaha [17:00] <cloudpic> Bravo, all! [17:00] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, everybody! [17:00] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [17:00] <Mrs> I was right in so many ways! [17:00] <Questauthor> kisses, everyone, kisses! [17:00] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [17:00] <futureweasley> y'all rock [17:00] <HeidiBug> bye! [17:00] <kneazlegirl> This was a very fun chat. [17:00] *** tinkertime left #lounge [Leaving] [17:00] <Mrs> bye! [17:00] <HeliumHead> bye [17:00] <futureweasley> bye until next time [17:00] <Aislinn> bye all! [17:00] <ascellaskat> bye [17:00] <Kneazly> bye all. [17:00] *** HeidiBug has quit [Bye] [17:00] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [17:00] *** HeliumHead has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by futureweasley: Aug 12 2007, 04:51 PM |
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