Sunday's Chat Which Has Not Yet Been Renamed, 8/19/07 - Jo's Bloomsbury WebChat Discussion, Part 2 |
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Today's Text Chat Moderators were: Aislinn, Expelliarmas, fawkes28, futureweasley, Mr. McGonagall, Prongs Patronus
[14:57] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:57] *** Topic is: Jo's Webchat - Part Deux [15:00] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:01] *** kneazlegirl has joined #lounge [15:01] *** bibs has joined #lounge [15:01] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, kneazlegirl! [15:01] <bibs> hoi [15:01] <fawkes28> hey kneazlegirl and bibs [15:01] <bibs> hi [15:01] <kneazlegirl> Hi! [15:01] <MrMcGonagall> And bibs! [15:01] <bibs> hey [15:01] <bibs> squee [15:01] <bibs> its quiete [15:01] <kneazlegirl> Was anyone at the chat yesterday? I missed it. [15:02] <bibs> i missed it to [15:02] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:02] *** hwa has joined #lounge [15:02] <bibs> hey [15:02] <fawkes28> yes, i was here [15:02] *** ginginkat has joined #lounge [15:02] <Aislinn> we had a lot of people here, actually [15:02] <JaneMarple9> evening all! w00t2 [15:02] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, it was an excellent chat. We didn't even get to the questions on the 3rd chapter of DH, so we'll touch on those next week. [15:02] <Aislinn> sorry you missed it [15:02] <fawkes28> wow - hey everyone [15:02] <hwa> Yay! I finally made it for a corner booth chat! [15:02] <bibs> hi [15:02] <Aislinn> hi hwa [15:03] <JaneMarple9> the booth is a great place to spend the weekend [15:03] <Aislinn> welcome everyone, this afternoon,evening, day, morning - whatever it is in your neck of the woods biggrin [15:03] <fawkes28> we are glad you did!! [15:03] <MrMcGonagall> Hooray! We'll be talking about things Jo answered in her webchat on July 30. [15:03] <bibs> yeah [15:03] <bibs> yay [15:03] <bibs> ! [15:03] <MrMcGonagall> We had a rainy, windy morning in Oklahoma. [15:03] <JaneMarple9> good! [15:03] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:03] <fawkes28> i love her web interview [15:03] <fawkes28> heya cbm [15:03] <kneazlegirl> Sounds good, the last one was fun. [15:03] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:03] <bibs> im in liverpool england [15:03] <JaneMarple9> no not good for mr McG's weather! [15:03] <cbm> Hi everyone! [15:03] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [15:03] <Aislinn> hi cbm [15:03] <MrMcGonagall> Remnants of Tropical Storm Erin blowing through. Flooding everywhere, particularly in the Oklahoma City area. [15:03] <JaneMarple9> i mean the webcat [15:03] <bibs> weathers terible [15:03] <fawkes28> hey future and prongs [15:04] <kneazlegirl> I love rain, though. [15:04] <bibs> hi [15:04] <hwa> a friend of mine is having trouble resorting, is there anyone here who can help? [15:04] <futureweasley> hola mi amigos [15:04] <bibs> hi [15:04] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, future! [15:04] <cbm> bummer, I have rain here. it ruined my plans for the day, but on the bright side, I am now here. [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [15:05] <Aislinn> and what better place to be, cbm! [15:05] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [15:05] <fawkes28> hwa, send a PM to DorisTLC or NickTLC [15:05] <fawkes28> they will be able to sort it out [15:05] <Aislinn> hi Questauthor [15:05] <Questauthor> Hello all [15:05] <Questauthor> Couldn't get in at first [15:05] <bibs> hey [15:05] <hwa> okay thanks fawkes [15:05] <fawkes28> the password is Katie wink [15:06] <Questauthor> Love it!! [15:06] <futureweasley> it's rainy and COLD here...it's not even 60 degrees today! [15:06] <Questauthor> Heck, its only 110 here today, Future, come on over and go swimming! [15:06] <MrMcGonagall> Wow! That is chilly, future. [15:06] <futureweasley> gotta love Michigan [15:06] <fawkes28> it is rainy here too [15:06] *** JeffHpFan has joined #lounge [15:06] <hwa> it;s raining here [15:07] <JeffHpFan> hello [15:07] <kneazlegirl> It's just boring and cloudy here in NYC. [15:07] <Questauthor> I wish it were raining [15:07] <Questauthor> I miss NY!!! [15:07] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jeff! [15:07] <bibs> liverpool is miserable [15:07] <ProngsPatronus> Michigan is a beautiful state [15:07] <JeffHpFan> its so crappy here.... [15:07] <cbm> the forecast we had on Friday was sunny and 80 [15:07] <JeffHpFan> Michigan! [15:07] <bibs> so wet [15:07] <JeffHpFan> yay michigan [15:07] <bibs> hi btw [15:07] <cbm> now we have rain [15:07] <ginginkat> Please send some of that rain to Arizona, we are in a drought [15:07] <JeffHpFan> its cloudy here in michigan [15:07] <futureweasley> MIchigan really is lovely [15:07] <Questauthor> I agree, ginginkat! [15:07] <bibs> its supossed to be summer here [15:07] <Questauthor> The monsoon season has been the mon-not [15:07] *** Evreka has joined #lounge [15:07] <fawkes28> hello Jeff [15:07] <JeffHpFan> Hi fawkes [15:07] <futureweasley> I love living in Michigan...it's beautiful, and there is water everywhere [15:07] <Evreka> Hi everyone [15:08] <JeffHpFan> i followed instructions and left the water balloons behind :p [15:08] <JeffHpFan> ahh i g2g already [15:08] *** JeffHpFan has quit [Bye] [15:08] <MrMcGonagall> We might get another weekend like this one in Oklahoma if the leftovers of Hurricane Dean come this way. [15:08] <bibs> brb - i need a drink [15:08] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:08] <ginginkat> exactly Questauthor very little monsoon here [15:08] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:08] <kneazlegirl> Before the chat starts, I think I'll go get lunch. [15:08] <Aislinn> there were floods where my Dad lives in Scottsdale, ginginkat [15:08] * futureweasley sends good vibes and moisture to AZ [15:09] <ginginkat> I'm up here in the north - Kingman very little rain here [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> the land of AZ--a cool placwe [15:09] <fawkes28> i do hate when it gets cold and fall is approaching so quickly [15:09] *** Rudius has joined #lounge [15:09] <Questauthor> There was one bad storm, Aislinn [15:09] <bibs> im back [15:09] <Questauthor> but it wasn't very big, and it wasn't enough! [15:09] <Rudius> helleaux [15:09] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Rudi! [15:10] <Questauthor> Kingman!! Ack! [15:10] <Questauthor> (no offense!) My parentals live in Lake Havesu [15:10] <Questauthor> I'm in Pnx [15:10] <Questauthor> Phx [15:10] <ginginkat> my sentiments too. [15:10] <hwa> I'm up in Victoria, BC [15:10] *** Rudius requested CTCP waves from #lounge: at everyone [15:10] <bibs> i would kill for a hot chocolate right now [15:10] <Questauthor> oooo nice and cool there, eh? [15:10] <Rudius> \me waves [15:11] <hwa> it's been warmish, but today it's rainy [15:11] <Rudius> oops [15:11] *** Rudius requested CTCP waves from #lounge: [15:11] <bibs> *mental not - get hot chocolate* [15:11] <bibs> note [15:11] <fawkes28> i don't like chocolate [15:11] * fawkes28 ducks [15:11] <Rudius> ill have one too while youre up [15:11] <Evreka> what? [15:11] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Rudius! [15:11] <hwa> how can you not like chocolate Fawkes?!?! *blinks in shock* [15:11] <Rudius> hi prongs [15:11] <cbm> how can you not like chocolate???? [15:11] <fawkes28> i like white chocolate though - love it [15:11] <bibs> *rades cupboard* [15:12] <fawkes28> sick [15:12] <JaneMarple9> I lovvvvvveeeeeee chocolate - i'll have fawkes share! [15:12] <kneazlegirl> Watch out for dementors, fawkes. [15:12] <futureweasley> our ickle fawkes doesn't "do" chocolate [15:12] <futureweasley> at all [15:12] <bibs> im all out - *sob* [15:12] <futureweasley> white chocolate, however, is ok [15:12] <cbm> maybe white chocolate works also [15:12] <fawkes28> it smells horrible and tastes just as bad [15:12] <hwa> oh well, I don't like white chocolate so how about I give you my white and you give me your dark and milk? [15:12] <futureweasley> I think that is a dementor repellant [15:12] <futureweasley> I feel the same way about coffee, fawkes [15:12] <fawkes28> my friend Expie just sent me some white chocolate the other day [15:12] <MrMcGonagall> I don't like white chocolate. Blech. [15:12] <fawkes28> oh, i don't like coffee either [15:12] <fawkes28> lol [15:13] <Aislinn> I love the smell of good coffee [15:13] <cbm> If coffee tasted as good as it smells, it would be great [15:13] <fawkes28> sure, hwa - sounds like a plan! [15:13] <Rudius> i like anything with the word "chocolate" on the container [15:13] <Evreka> hm - when do the chat start? [15:13] <MrMcGonagall> I love chocolate and coffee... yum! [15:13] <Questauthor> Ok, I'm going to try and sign on using the hubbin's computer. Wish me luck!!! (I need to print photos while chatting... multiasker, anyone?) [15:13] <ProngsPatronus> ooo--dark chocolate--yummmmm [15:13] <Rudius> as long as theres no fake bana flavouring in it [15:13] <ProngsPatronus> white chocolate--eh, not so much [15:13] *** Questauthor has quit [Bye] [15:13] *** amartinde has joined #lounge [15:13] <bibs> i might have flakes in the fridge [15:13] <futureweasley> I hate people with coffee breath...and I date a major coffee drinker...it's horrible. I bought a bulk back of Altoids [15:14] <hwa> Yay! *waves* at Ali [15:14] <JaneMarple9> i can take or leave white chocolate [15:14] <bibs> going to rade fridge [15:14] <amartinde> hi hwa [15:14] <amartinde> yummy white chocolate i want some [15:14] <MrMcGonagall> Mmm, I like Altoids to. [15:14] <Evreka> Aislinn my watch might be off - when does the chat starts? [15:14] <hwa> okay - hwa passes mountains of white chocolate to fawkes. [15:14] <JaneMarple9> give me milk chocolate - cadbury's of course! - any day, or dark chocolate [15:14] <bibs> i found flakes [15:14] <MrMcGonagall> two minutes, Evreka [15:14] <Evreka> oh thanks smile [15:15] * fawkes28 gives all the real chocolate over to hwa [15:15] <hwa> mmmm I like cadbury's chocolate to Jane [15:15] <Rudius> hmmmmm i think i have time to go make some hot chocolate then.... [15:15] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [15:15] <bibs> im tucking into a flake! [15:15] <Questauthor> Wooot! Made it back! [15:16] <hwa> yum. Thank you fawkes [15:16] <Rudius> brb *dashes off* [15:16] <fawkes28> time to start smile [15:16] <Aislinn> welcome back, quest! [15:16] <futureweasley> yay!! [15:16] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [15:16] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:17] <fawkes28> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:17] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:17] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:17] <MrMcGonagall> Now that the final book has been released, Jo is finally able to answer all of the many questions that we have that were not answered in the books. She seems quite as eager as we are to discuss these books and characters. [15:17] <MrMcGonagall> One of the best sources of these answers is the Bloomsbury web chat held on 30 July. Let's explore these questions and Jo's answers for them. [15:18] <MrMcGonagall> Harry perceived it King's Cross Station. Asked if it was behind the veil or in some world in between, JKR replied, "You can make up your own mind on this, but I think that Harry entered a kind of limbo between life and death." What was your understanding of this place? [15:18] <fawkes28> yes, i always thought of it like limbo [15:18] <kneazlegirl> I like that she left it open. [15:18] <ProngsPatronus> limbo is in hell, though [15:18] <Evreka> Actually I think he'd passed the Veil if he'd chosen to take a train... [15:19] <cbm> I was exactly what I thought, it was a stop on the way to the afterlife, but Harry was able to go back [15:19] <fawkes28> not to all people though, PP [15:19] <cbm> And Dumbledore was able to come meet him, so it worked for me [15:19] <JaneMarple9> i considered it God's waiting room [15:19] <ProngsPatronus> I would say that it was a waystation to the Otherworld [15:19] <bibs> i would probably agree with the whole limbo thing [15:19] <fawkes28> that is a good point, everka [15:19] <Questauthor> I thought it was exactly that... limbo [15:19] <Questauthor> A place where Harry could make some important decisions [15:19] <Aislinn> yeah, that is kind of how I saw it, Prongs [15:19] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was mostly in Harry's head. [15:20] <JaneMarple9> the place between life and death, a little like the veil [15:20] <futureweasley> what is purgetory? is this comparable to that? Isn't Purgetory a kind of "limbo" place between life and death? [15:20] <hwa> I definately saw it as a limbo too. [15:20] <fawkes28> It was his Hero's Journey to the "underworld" [15:20] <cbm> So how about it was a place between life and eath and Harry filled in the details [15:20] <JaneMarple9> hmmm the underworld...yes could be that too [15:20] <hwa> In a way it was kind of a fork in his road, where he had to make a choice [15:20] <MrMcGonagall> I think it took the appearance of King's Cross because Harry wanted it to. [15:21] <MrMcGonagall> Rather an idealized form of King's Cross [15:21] <fawkes28> yes, and it would have been quite easy for him to stay too - like he said there was no pain there [15:21] <JaneMarple9> it was a strange thing to choose [15:21] <Questauthor> Purgatory I see as a place to ponder one's mistakes and successes [15:21] <Aislinn> I thought it was quite apt for Harry [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> I think it looked like that because Harry associates King's Cross with his own transition between Muggle and WWs [15:21] <cbm> But pain is a part of life [15:21] <Questauthor> This was more a place to figure out how to finish what had been started in life [15:21] <fawkes28> for Harry, King's Cross was the main threshold in his life [15:21] <hwa> I've always seen purgatory as more of a limbo between heaven and hell than life and death, [15:21] <bibs> well - its were most of the storys end [15:21] <JaneMarple9> there might had been other places that could have been named quite as well [15:21] <Aislinn> in this case, a link betweent he world of the living and the world of death [15:21] <bibs> kings cross [15:22] <Evreka> Well... maybe it's as simple as between life and death every person would see his or her own thing [15:22] <Aislinn> the station is a link between 2 worlds for him [15:22] <fawkes28> it was where his journey into the wizarding world began [15:22] <Evreka> that's why DD didn't know what Harry saw [15:22] <JaneMarple9> then again, king's cross shows harry entering hogwarts etc [15:22] <Aislinn> weird - my messages reversed order [15:22] <Evreka> exactly Aislinn [15:22] <cbm> DD did not know because Harry's mind filled in the details [15:22] <kneazlegirl> I don't think Dumbledore would have been there if Harry hadn't wanted to talk to him. [15:22] <kneazlegirl> Maybe more than anyone else. [15:23] <JaneMarple9> it is probably a different place to everybody [15:23] <Evreka> but since it was after life DD could meet him [15:23] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> King's Cross was his entry into wonder [15:23] <MrMcGonagall> On writing Ron and Hermione's kiss, JKR: "I loved writing it, and I loved the fact that Hermione took the initiative. Ron had finally got SPEW and earned himself a snog!" What was your take on the kiss? Had you predicted Hermione taking the lead? [15:23] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore might have named it something else [15:23] <Aislinn> he needed answers from Dumbledore - he had been trying to "communicate" with him, to gain understanding, through the whole book [15:23] <futureweasley> I agree with that, kneazlegirl...Harry had it on lock that he needed to talk to Dumbledore...knowing that he was walking into a plan of DD's device [15:23] <Evreka> Perhaps he started to wait for sensing Harrys soul when the Marauders and lily went to meet him? [15:23] <Rudius> i am of the opinion its the entryway to the place where the dead await ther judgement [15:23] <Expelliarmas> I thought it took them forever to get there [15:23] <bibs> yes [15:23] *** Narya has joined #lounge [15:23] <JaneMarple9> it had been a long awaited kiss [15:23] <cbm> I was only surprised at how long it took [15:24] <Questauthor> I don't think ron would have taken the lead on the first kiss at all! [15:24] <Rudius> i laughrd [15:24] <Questauthor> He was waiting for Hermione! [15:24] <amartinde> me neither [15:24] <Questauthor> It made me giggle [15:24] <kneazlegirl> I actually missed it and had to go back and read that part again. [15:24] <kneazlegirl> It was so sudden. [15:24] <JaneMarple9> at least four or five books laugh [15:24] <fawkes28> i think i was so wrapped up in the war that i forgot about waiting for the kiss - i am definitely not a shipper [15:24] <Aislinn> He had been waiting for years, Quest [15:24] <hwa> I wasn't surprised, I don't think Ron had to guts to make the first move [15:24] <Evreka> I thought it was cute - It's been in the air so long [15:24] <fawkes28> i think i did too, kneazlegirl [15:24] <MrMcGonagall> This kiss, while I loved the fact that we finally had liplock between Ron and Hermione, didn't quite come off as realistic to me. [15:24] <futureweasley> he was totally waiting for Hermione to make that move...to confirm to him that she felt the same way he did [15:24] <bibs> i thought sed see victor and be like "oh no - ron put youre arms around me!" [15:24] <Expelliarmas> Frankly, I thought they would have progressed over the summer [15:24] <cbm> But it also came out of nowhere and surprised me, ships at that point were the farthest thing from my mind [15:24] <hwa> I loved how bemused he was. It was perfect [15:24] <Questauthor> Well, can you imagine if she'd rejected him? It was their friendship that was at stake, really [15:24] <Questauthor> No wonder he was careful [15:24] <Evreka> and I can see how Hermione WOULD kiss him over that [15:24] <JaneMarple9> And the way Hermione hugged him, after Ron mentions the house=elves [15:24] <futureweasley> and he totally did deserve it after FINALLY speaking to her own life's passion about SPEW [15:24] <Aislinn> really, Mr M? I thought it was quite believable [15:25] <fawkes28> it would have been nice if he had done it though especially after he was able to rid himself of those demons from the locket [15:25] <Rudius> Ron had been angling for that up till the wedding of Bill & Fleur and when he had stopped trying - *Smack!* [15:25] <futureweasley> me too, Aislinn [15:25] <JaneMarple9> yeah fawkes [15:25] <bibs> i loved the kiss [15:25] <MrMcGonagall> Kind of makes you wonder what sort of relationship Ron and Hermione had been having between HBP and DH. [15:25] <Aislinn> she had been most attracted to him whenever he showed that kind side, and this was in the heat of the moment. [15:25] <kneazlegirl> I wonder if Ron had actually really "gotten SPEW". [15:25] <JaneMarple9> it might had been nicer then - but it might had hampered the journey [15:25] <futureweasley> I think that, in the same fashion as the Weasleys accepting Percy back into the fold after a less-than-stellar return, it was pre-war, it was the energy and the uncertainty of the time [15:25] <Questauthor> I also loved Harry's reaction [15:25] <futureweasley> it was right [15:25] <hwa> I think there was definately stuff happening between them before then, Harry just didn't see it [15:26] <JaneMarple9> i don't think so kneazle [15:26] <futureweasley> Harry's reaction was prime [15:26] <Aislinn> Oi! [15:26] <Aislinn> hahahaha [15:26] <Rudius> lol [15:26] <JaneMarple9> he just supported hermione for a long awaited kiss [15:26] <Evreka> I love all three of them in that scene [15:26] <bibs> "oi theres a war going on!" [15:26] <cbm> there were more important things to do [15:26] <Rudius> where's a hose pipe when you need one? [15:26] <bibs> "is it realy the moment!" [15:26] <hwa> Harry's reaction was classic! "Is this the moment?" [15:26] <Evreka> well he's right isn't he? [15:26] <JaneMarple9> yes that was a classic line! "Oi!" [15:26] <Questauthor> But it was also a nice bit of levity [15:26] <Evreka> The situsaation gets so much worse while they linger [15:26] <kneazlegirl> It was kind of like the wedding-in-the-middle-of-a-huge-pirate-battle in PotC3. [15:26] <Questauthor> Kind of a nice reminder of what they were all fighting for [15:26] <kneazlegirl> Only less ridiculous. [15:27] <hwa> he is right Evreka... but at the same time I can't really picture it happening any other way [15:27] <Aislinn> Jo does a great job of breaking the tension with moments like that [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> ah, well--I think it was brilliant [15:27] <futureweasley> right, the tension had to be broken up in some manner...and this was perfect [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> it was a done deal for Harry, I think [15:27] <JaneMarple9> it was handled perfectly - some joy before even more deaths [15:27] <futureweasley> 3 million shippers were just waiting for the moment...and this was a good time to give it to them [15:27] <MrMcGonagall> We learned that Colin Creevy, as a Muggleborn, wasn't attending Hogwarts, but "sneaked back like the rest of the DA. He ought not to have stayed behind when McGonagall told him to leave, but alas — he did." What did Colin's two choices mean to you? [15:27] <Evreka> yeah Aislinn she does [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> for a long time--then, they interrupt all this seriousness with a kiss [15:27] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs, Harry saw it coming years earlier [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> classic [15:27] <JaneMarple9> poor colin [15:27] <MrMcGonagall> Colin - such a brave little Gryffindor. [15:28] <Rudius> poor colin [15:28] <Questauthor> He understood [15:28] <bibs> it was on oftrue mr m [15:28] <cbm> Fighting for what he believed in was more important than following rules [15:28] <Narya> I think Colin made the choice which was entirely in character for him [15:28] <JaneMarple9> he was a loyal member of the D.A. [15:28] <hwa> I think it showed why he was in Gryffindor... he showed bravery and determination even when maybe he shouldn't have [15:28] <futureweasley> I have a new respect for Colin...what a true Gryffindor [15:28] <bibs> ooh - it cut me off [15:28] <fawkes28> He was always Harry's biggest fan and wouldnt dare to leave when Harry was in danger [15:28] <Questauthor> He knew the score, he knew what was needed. Loyalty, bravery... a true gryffindor [15:28] <JaneMarple9> he was underage wasn't he? [15:28] <Evreka> I think Colin was close to Harry characterwise - very brave - would never go back on friends [15:28] <Aislinn> he was, Jane [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think he ended exactly as he started [15:28] <JaneMarple9> same age as ginny [15:28] <Aislinn> he was also a muggle born, so snuck in with the other former DA members [15:29] <JaneMarple9> colin's big role was in book 2 [15:29] <cbm> he was called by the coin, just like the rest of the DA [15:29] <bibs> whats worse , dying in battle or not knowing what was happening? [15:29] <ProngsPatronus> there was the Giant Squid adventure... everything was an adventure to him [15:29] <Evreka> He was so happy to fight alongside his greatest hero for what was good against evil [15:29] <fawkes28> i always liked Colin - he was just a bit, overexcited in the beginning - to put it lightly [15:29] <JaneMarple9> that was his brother, Prongs smile [15:29] <Evreka> he couldn't NOT fight [15:29] <Rudius> the giant squid was his brother [15:29] <Narya> That's a good point, PP - Colin didn't really think much about consequences [15:29] <ProngsPatronus> his reaction to it is what I mean, jane [15:29] <JaneMarple9> ah smile [15:29] <Aislinn> no, he barreled ahead like a true Gryffindor [15:30] <MrMcGonagall> I'm going to get all verklempt thinking about Colin now. [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> yes, he did [15:30] <hwa> is his reaction even that different than Ginny's? she was also underage and she also fought even when told not to [15:30] <bibs> what would you have done? [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> I regret his dath more than some others [15:30] <kneazlegirl> A lot of characters returned from earlier books and had cameos/roles in book 7. [15:30] <Evreka> Like harry the consequences were less important than actively fighting Voldemort for him I think [15:30] <JaneMarple9> he really was a true gryffindor [15:30] <futureweasley> he has a hero...who among us would not have acted the same way? When Colin first came to Hogwarts, he wanted to show his admiration and appreciate for Harry. Sure, it was a wee bit obnoxious, but there you have it...he was yong [15:30] <cbm> But ginny did not fight until whe was let out of the room [15:30] <futureweasley> *young [15:30] <Evreka> Learning all that DA stuff and then be shepharded out - no way! [15:30] <Narya> I think Colin's death hit home because he didn't really have time to live - he just seemed so much younger, somehow, than some of the others [15:30] <JaneMarple9> i didn't take much notice of his death, until my second re-read sad [15:30] <Expelliarmas> maybe because he was so much smaller, Narya [15:31] <Evreka> also, what a year he'd had up to then? Shunted from Hogwarts he had a lot to fight for [15:31] <hwa> But that was pretty early on into the battle cbm. and she was there at the end fighting Bellatrix [15:31] <ProngsPatronus> that one really put me over the top [15:31] <Narya> That's right, Expie [15:31] <fawkes28> i don't think he would have wanted it any other way, Narya - just like the other charcaters who died [15:31] <Aislinn> ginny had a lot of pressure put on her, cbm [15:31] <bibs> i just went "what!?!" [15:31] <JaneMarple9> i think colin was the youngest death [15:31] <fawkes28> they would have regretted it the rest of their lives if they didnt fight [15:31] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [15:31] <MrMcGonagall> Rowling's reaction to Lockhart's possible recovery was no. "Nor would I want him to. He's happy where he is, and I'm happier without him." Is Lockhart's fate appropriate to you? How could he have made amends to his victims? [15:31] *** Narya has joined #lounge [15:31] <JaneMarple9> yes fawkes - colin longed to fight [15:31] <Aislinn> it was a karmic outcome for him [15:31] <Evreka> I think it is very apropriate [15:32] <futureweasley> I agree Aislinn [15:32] <kneazlegirl> I don't see how Lockhart could be much happier than he was before. [15:32] <JaneMarple9> awww I wanted more from lockhart! [15:32] <Rudius> i the wording of that reply was rather... telling dont you think? [15:32] <Expelliarmas> There was no way for Lockhart to atone for what he did; he deserved what he got [15:32] <bibs> ididnt like (hated) lock heart [15:32] <Evreka> he gort exactly the same fate he put others too [15:32] <MrMcGonagall> I'm OK with Lockhart being in the loony bin for the rest of his life. [15:32] <Rudius> "I'm happier without him" [15:32] <fawkes28> he is too dangerous in the outside world - i am glad he stayed [15:32] <cbm> I am perfectly fine with where he is, as he tried to do the same thing to ron and harry [15:32] <futureweasley> and, if he's happy, leave him to his own devises in the closed ward [15:32] <JaneMarple9> I wish he'd been in book 7 [15:32] <Evreka> the fate he'd happily put two 12 year old too [15:32] <Narya> I didn't really care much for Lockhart at any time, so his absence didn't bother me [15:32] <Aislinn> he's not unhappy there, just vague [15:32] <JaneMarple9> but he seems quite content in st Mungos [15:32] <bibs> its "do as you would be done by" thats what he got [15:32] <Aislinn> and in a place where he can't harm others [15:32] <futureweasley> this is ONE character that Jo said was fashioned after someone she knew in real life...and I think that has some weight to it as well [15:32] <fawkes28> if she had fixed locky, i would have been annoyed because the Longbottoms just couldnt magically recover - If anyone deserved to be cured, it would be Neville's parents [15:32] <kneazlegirl> Wouldn't he be happier to be famous, rather than not knowing who he was? [15:32] <MrMcGonagall> He can just keep practicing his joined-up writing in St. Mungo's for all I care. [15:33] <Expelliarmas> although the wizarding world is the poorer without Lockhart's grooming potions, but Snape doesn't need them anymore. [15:33] <Aislinn> yes, future, I agree [15:33] <Evreka> Me too Rudius, happier without him [15:33] <MrMcGonagall> LOL Expie [15:33] <kneazlegirl> For Lochkart, fame really was everything. [15:33] <hwa> I found him more amusing in OotP than in CoS! So I whole heartedly agree with Jo here [15:33] <ginginkat> I agree with the outcome, he is happy at St Mungos [15:33] <kneazlegirl> Of course, we're all happier with him where he is. [15:33] <Aislinn> if he knew better, kneazlegirl, he might be [15:33] <JaneMarple9> i'd love it if he was a distant relation to fleur and had attended the wedding [15:33] <Rudius> lol [15:33] <futureweasley> He has amnesia...it's not like he's TRULY mentally rattled, like the Longbottoms [15:33] <fawkes28> yes, hwa - he was quite funny in OotP [15:33] <JaneMarple9> he would have been great entertainment value! [15:33] <Expelliarmas> he could have done Fleur's hair, but Fleur probably had too much taste for that [15:33] <bibs> he got to know what it was like wat he did to his victoms [15:34] *** beatlette has joined #lounge [15:34] <Evreka> me too ginginkat - but then he was harmless [15:34] <futureweasley> he can still market his own Hair Care line [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> naaa--Lockhart had his moment of glory--let him be where he is happy [15:34] <fawkes28> He was impaled by his own sword - he definitely deserved it [15:34] <JaneMarple9> laugh nice idea Expie! [15:34] <kneazlegirl> Do you think they'd ever release him from St. Mungos, since he can't be cured and is not dangerous? [15:34] <bibs> id leave him ther [15:34] <futureweasley> no, I think he's where he is for good [15:34] <fawkes28> i think he is there for life [15:34] <Aislinn> he may not be able to remember to care for himself [15:34] <cbm> I do not think he can take care of himself [15:34] <kneazlegirl> Maybe he'd get a new job stacking books or something. [15:34] <Questauthor> I think he's there for good too [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> no--he may not be dangerous, but he would be a danger to the Muggle universe [15:34] <Evreka> I think he's there for good [15:34] <Questauthor> poor Lockie [15:34] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [15:34] <Rudius> Kenneth Branagh gave the character too much lovability in the movies, hence the question methinks. He's better where he is [15:35] <JaneMarple9> i suppose he's better there [15:35] *** Narya has joined #lounge [15:35] <bibs> he would end up setting his eyebrows alight god love him [15:35] <MrMcGonagall> The Trio separated in DH. Dumbledore "understood Ron's importance in the trio. He wasn't the most skilled, or the most intelligent, but he held them together; his humour and his good heart were essential." Did his absence affect Hermione and Harry as you expected? How did Ron's gifts lead to the Trio's success? [15:35] <Evreka> he might harm himself otherwise [15:35] <JaneMarple9> i wouldn't say he is my favourite character but he was entertaining [15:36] <fawkes28> I know I was so upset when he left because they werent whole without Ron [15:36] <kneazlegirl> Even in other books, the trio could never operate well when it was broken up from arguments. [15:36] <Aislinn> I thiought it was written very well - there was a sort of grim determination after he left, but no real joy [15:36] <cbm> It was just like before the 1st task in GoF, Harry needed the trio complete to be happy [15:36] <hwa> I think Harry and Hermione were more awkward with each other at first without Ron there [15:36] <futureweasley> Ron leaving them broke my heart, but I think it was his last "immature" act...it was necessary in his character development [15:36] <fawkes28> it didn't lead to anything good - all three of them were miserable [15:36] <Evreka> It's thanks to the wireless he brings back that they (indirectly) end up at Malfoys and find out about the Vault [15:36] <beatlette> I kinda expected Ron's absence to affect Harry and Hermione as it did. We saw what happened when Ron's not around in GoF. [15:36] <bibs> the trio is a trio not a duo [15:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think they did need Ron. He brought that indefinable something that made the trio work. Without him, Harry and hermione's relationship was imbalanced. [15:36] <futureweasley> he finally felt consequences for his actions [15:36] <Narya> Ron had special gifts; he was always a good strategist, and he knows Harry so well - he really matured between GoF and the final book [15:36] <fawkes28> Ron is the body that holds them together [15:36] <futureweasley> he screwed up big time, and got to pay for it [15:36] <Aislinn> I doubt it was his last immature act, future, but certainly he grew dramatically for it [15:36] <Evreka> Ron took all joy with him - the little that was left to them [15:36] <futureweasley> he messed with Hermione and Harry, and he actually tortured himself [15:37] <fawkes28> i think Ron gets outshined big time [15:37] <JaneMarple9> the deluminator brought ron to his senses [15:37] <Questauthor> I thought it was totally out of character for Ron to leave, personally [15:37] <hwa> I felt like Harry and Hermione were even more lost about their mission without ron.... Did you notice that other than Godric's Hollow NOTHING happens when H and H are alone? [15:37] <kneazlegirl> I really think JKR should have explained why they had to wear the locket horcrux constantly. [15:37] <cbm> I think that without the locket, Ron does not leave [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> I thought he had to leave [15:37] <Expelliarmas> actually, Ron gave into the worst of the locket; so he didn't have a lot of joy to give before he left [15:37] <Questauthor> Ron is a grounding force, a normalcy, plus his knowledge of the wizarding world is invaluable [15:37] <Aislinn> I think the added pressure of the locket made it believable, quest [15:37] <JaneMarple9> sometimes ron was in harry's shadow and he thought harry loved hermione [15:37] <futureweasley> ok, Aislinn...his last BIG immature act...it was like his own personal passage into adulthood [15:37] <Questauthor> So if he could give in to the worst of the locket, why the heck is he an auror later in life? Seems weird [15:37] <cbm> They wore the locket so it would be impossible to get lost [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> Ron had to decide for himself his own value to his friends [15:38] <Narya> I thought the introduction of the locket, and Ron wearing it, was a masterstroke [15:38] <JaneMarple9> yes the locket had a lot to do with ron's leaving [15:38] <Aislinn> yes, future, I completely agree with that. [15:38] <bibs> ron was making a sacrifice - a comfy life - and that makes him a true friend that you just couldnt do with out [15:38] <fawkes28> that is very true, prongs [15:38] <Evreka> I think the locket and what it whispered to him made him leave [15:38] <Evreka> he regretted it the minute he left [15:38] <JaneMarple9> yes nayra it was extremely clever [15:38] <fawkes28> so he was trying to figure out if he really belonged with them then [15:38] <futureweasley> he has to leave the [15:38] <futureweasley> grr..sorry [15:38] <JaneMarple9> yes evrela me too [15:38] <cbm> I also like the fact that Ron did not go home, he did not want to face his parents [15:38] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, the locket really seemed to "know" Ron when the time came. [15:38] <Expelliarmas> although, I really thought Ron had gotten over the jealousy thing in GoF; I was disappointed to see the return of that in DH [15:38] <MrMcGonagall> As DD said, you don't want to keep a horcrux close to you. [15:39] <Narya> That's interesting, Mr McG - because it really was a cunning artefact [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> in that, it was very like the diary [15:39] <Aislinn> and he would have returned to them much sooner than he did, if they had only said his name [15:39] <cbm> Just like the diary knew Ginny, I that it was spooky [15:39] <JaneMarple9> probably, yes aislinn [15:39] <fawkes28> i did too, expie [15:39] <Evreka> Not his parents he feared but the twins and GINNY [15:39] <Aislinn> he tried as soon as he could, but they never spoke of him, so he couldn't find them [15:39] <bibs> hermione chose harry other him in his mind [15:39] <kneazlegirl> Well, the locket was Ron's horcrux to destroy. [15:39] <futureweasley> he has to leave the "la-la" behind and "man-up" from that point on. His acceptance of his role in the trio was imparative to their success, and just like everything else, Ron had to get there in his own way [15:39] <kneazlegirl> I wonder if the cup did anything interesting when Hermione tried to destroy it. [15:39] <cbm> but he did make it and I think that is what is important [15:40] <Evreka> And I can see that - Ginny wanting with all her heart, body and soul to follow Harry and Ron choosing to leave? [15:40] <Expelliarmas> so do I, kneazle [15:40] <MrMcGonagall> Were you surprised at the revelations about Dumbledore's Deluminator? JKR comments that Dumbledore felt Ron "might need a little more guidance than the other two." Why? [15:40] <Evreka> He'd been in mortal danger around her... [15:40] <fawkes28> All his life he was always overshadowed, so I am glad to see he finally was able to put it past him [15:40] <Aislinn> I think it was a momentary loss of faith [15:40] <Aislinn> many of the characters struggled with that in the book [15:40] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore knew that ron loved hermione [15:40] <Expelliarmas> Ron had the worst time in accepting his place in the trio [15:40] <fawkes28> I was surprised that it did other things because put the lights out [15:40] <futureweasley> he hadn't grown up yet...he wasn't quite ready for the role in which he accepted [15:40] <Questauthor> I think Ron had the least exposure to different things in the books. He came from the Wizarding world and was in it during school [15:40] <kneazlegirl> Obviously, Dumbledore knew a lot more than they thought about them. [15:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think, though, that it was faith in himself [15:40] <Aislinn> I think that Dumbledore recognized his insecurities [15:41] <JaneMarple9> he gave him the delimulator for a reason [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> always Ron's besetting sin [15:41] <Questauthor> Harry and Hermione came from Muggle backgrounds and learned adapability [15:41] <JaneMarple9> yes aislinn [15:41] <futureweasley> yes, Aislinn..that's a huge part of it [15:41] <Narya> I think DD knew Ron far better than he could ever have suspected, or even Hermione or Harry ... DD knew that Ron would need a little help when the time was right, although he never doubted his loyalty [15:41] <Evreka> I think he knew that Ron was comming from the most sheltered home and would be least prepaired for what it might bring to go with Harry [15:41] <Expelliarmas> Perhaps Dumbledore saw some of himself in Ron ... [15:41] <MrMcGonagall> I still have a little difficulty buying into the Deluminator's many new powers. [15:41] <bibs> ron isin a big family and was overshaddowad so it could have got to him [15:41] <fawkes28> Well, Dumbledore did watch them all very carefully over the years and he knows that ron was one of many children - Dd is very smart [15:41] <kneazlegirl> We know he was watching when Ron looked in the Mirror of Erised. [15:41] <Aislinn> yes, Narya [15:41] <JaneMarple9> maybe expie [15:41] <fawkes28> oh, i like that, Expie [15:41] <ginginkat> Ron did not have Hermione book smarts or Harry's courage. He need a little push at the right time. [15:41] <JaneMarple9> good point kneazle [15:41] <beatlette> agreed ginginkat [15:41] *** hwa has quit [Ping timeout] [15:41] <Aislinn> and I just loved the way Harry pointed out that Dumbledore knew that Ron would want to return. [15:41] <JaneMarple9> he knew ron's hears desire [15:42] <MrMcGonagall> The Deluminator's new abilities seem a bit contrived to me. Makes it hard for me to believe DD disapproved of Divination, when he seems so good at it. *snort* [15:42] <Questauthor> But Ron was always brave, which made his departure difficult for me personally [15:42] <Narya> I do think that Ron had lots of courage, but in a different way - and yes, Aislinn, that's a great point [15:42] <fawkes28> It was instinct, Mr. M - not divination [15:42] <bibs> do you think ron would see something different in the mirror in dh [15:42] <cbm> MrM, I think all of this was there before, we just ignored it [15:42] <Evreka> What I find most difficult is the name change: It was a Put-Outer in books 1 and 6 now it's a Deluminator WHY? [15:42] <futureweasley> yes, ginginkat...Ron has the most to give in terms of "heart"...his ability to be the cohesion that kept the Trio together was his gift, more so than his abilities [15:42] <Aislinn> what about the Deluminator is Divination? [15:42] <bibs> (hermione?" [15:42] <Expelliarmas> I don't think DD did disapprove of divination, I don't think he cared for the instructor [15:42] <Narya> Mr McG, do you really think DD disapproved of Divination? *wink* [15:42] <fawkes28> Dd was also a keen observer [15:42] <Questauthor> I think he always thought it a bit hinky, Divination [15:42] <Aislinn> He understood human nature [15:43] <JaneMarple9> well a deluminator is more grown up than a put - outter [15:43] <cbm> I do not think it was divination, He just understood people perfectly [15:43] *** LadyCake has joined #lounge [15:43] <Narya> He understood Ron better than Ron understood himself, I think [15:43] <ProngsPatronus> well, he watched the bit between Ron and Harry in GoF--isn't that part and parcel of the same? [15:43] <futureweasley> I agree Narya [15:43] <fawkes28> i think he was that way with Harry too [15:43] <bibs> dd just one of those people [15:43] <Evreka> No I think the Deluminater is a form of Portkey taking you to someone you wish to go to if they speak your name [15:43] *** hwa has joined #lounge [15:43] <MrMcGonagall> What I wonder is if he somehow added the powers to the Deluminator in light of what he expected Ron to do. I mean, it not only transported Ron magically, it also served as a bizarre radio spying device. [15:43] <Expelliarmas> given his own frailties, perhaps DD had better insight into the failings of the young and the need to make up for it right away. DD never got to make up for Ariana's death [15:43] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs - he was watching harry very closely, and as a result would also have learned a tremendous amount about his closest friends [15:43] <futureweasley> I think that Dumbledore had a lock on what Ron was, and the tools and nurturing he needed to be successful in his role [15:44] <Narya> I think the Deluminator is a neat device to show you what your heart really feels, in a way [15:44] <fawkes28> he may have used it himself for those puposes back in his day [15:44] <JaneMarple9> hmmm the deluminator as a portkey - never saw it that way [15:44] <MrMcGonagall> I'm just going to say I wasn't wowed by this plot device, and leave it at that. [15:44] <Aislinn> it spoke to his heart, Mr M [15:44] *** jaimedanser has joined #lounge [15:44] <Narya> So I understand the power of DD's gift - Ron found what he was seeking when he needed it most [15:44] <jaimedanser> Hi [15:44] <Evreka> not a Portkey in itself, but it finds its way [15:44] <Questauthor> The Deiluminator was with Moody back in OotP, when they took Harry to GP... I bet that's how DD kept track of the transfer [15:44] *** Ringo2000 has joined #lounge [15:44] <kneazlegirl> It's typical Dumbledore, really. [15:44] <Ringo2000> Oh Im so sorry Im late! [15:45] <cbm> I think it directed ron's apparition somehow [15:45] <jaimedanser> what are we talking about?? [15:45] <bibs> hi [15:45] <MrMcGonagall> Why do you think JKR split the Trio for the events during which Ron was missing? (Ron-less scenes: Godric's Hollow, "Bathilda," Harry's wand destroyed, further Dumbledore revelations) [15:45] <fawkes28> I thought it was a nice touch because we knew the object but it just added a nice twist to the plot [15:45] <Expelliarmas> There's a good question [15:45] <kneazlegirl> Hmm... [15:45] <jaimedanser> Er.............. [15:45] <Aislinn> it was the darkest part of the journey for Harry [15:45] <fawkes28> these are more events that Hermione is good at [15:45] <Ringo2000> Hi Sorry Im late! I ran over time [15:45] <JaneMarple9> to show that Hermione and Harry are less poweful [15:45] <jaimedanser> Fawkes--yes, that's true [15:45] <fawkes28> she was the one who was reading up on Dumbledore and rationalized it through with Harry [15:45] <kneazlegirl> I guess Ron wasn't needed in those scenes, for one thing. [15:45] <futureweasley> I think it was to show how crippling Ron's departure from the trio really was [15:45] <beatlette> Hmmm.... [15:46] <Evreka> Well Harry looses everything there [15:46] <Narya> I think JKR always intended to split her trio up - to show how strong they could be when they finally reunited, and to show what each individual was capable of and what kind of personal journey they had to go on [15:46] <cbm> maybe she was giving the harmonians one last moment of hope [15:46] <futureweasley> it established their "need" for Ron [15:46] <JaneMarple9> when they are a trio. they are more of a team and will fight everything [15:46] <MrMcGonagall> Erm, honestly, I think the graveyard in Godric's Hollow is made more poignant without a jokester like Ron along. [15:46] <fawkes28> i also can't picture Ron being very comfortable at the graveyard [15:46] <Ringo2000> I think it was to show for later scenes, such as the one destroying the locket. [15:46] <jaimedanser> Maybe it was just to show that the trio was only strong together...not as much if one of them was gone [15:46] <Questauthor> It showed that they were weaker apart,a nd stronger together [15:46] <LadyCake> I agree narya [15:46] <futureweasley> lol, agreed, too MrMcG [15:46] <cbm> I think it showed that the trio was strongest when unitied [15:46] <kneazlegirl> True, Mr. McG [15:46] <hwa> I think Godric's Hollow would have been a very different experience if Ron had been there [15:46] <Questauthor> Harry succeeded not just because he was harry but because he had his friends [15:46] <Narya> Do you think Ron would have cracked jokes in the graveyard, though, Mr McG? [15:46] <ginginkat> I agree futureeweasley, they needed Ron [15:46] <bibs> it showed that hermione was misserable [15:46] <JaneMarple9> i don't think they would had followed bathilda so quickly, if ron was with them [15:46] <fawkes28> and then Ron also would have been in danger and it may not have turned out the way it did [15:46] <beatlette> I think Ron would've been very awkard in the graveyard [15:47] <Evreka> with ron missing he has really lost almost everything he cared about: Hedwig, vbroom, friends, safety, house, kreacher, food, RON, and to top it off also his wand sad [15:47] <MrMcGonagall> I think so. Ron often says funny things when he feels tense. [15:47] <Ringo2000> Yeah - agreed. [15:47] <Aislinn> that's a good point Jane [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> well, Ron almost always knows something to say to cheer Harry up--Hermione doesn't have that gift [15:47] <bibs> they had zip comunication [15:47] <Aislinn> I think he would have been more suspicious [15:47] <JaneMarple9> ron has a sixth sense about people [15:47] <Expelliarmas> I think Ron would have caught onto the parsel tongue situation right away [15:47] <kneazlegirl> It would have been a different scene, definitely. [15:47] <JaneMarple9> exactly ainslinn [15:47] <jaimedanser> Expell--yes, he would've [15:47] <Narya> I think Ron would have showed the maturity which has been more and more apparent, especially since HBP [15:47] <LadyCake> I think he would have had at least one joke in the graveyard to lighten the mood [15:47] <Questauthor> I also think Ron would have been more cautious about snake lady [15:47] <Expelliarmas> Ron heard the parseltongue before [15:47] <hwa> It's possible too, that Hermione wouldn't have wanted to go to GH if Ron had been with them. Also they may have planned it better - afterall Ron was a good strategist [15:47] <Questauthor> don't get me started with Ron and parseltongue! [15:47] <cbm> I think that Ron had heard parseltongue the most [15:47] <kneazlegirl> Haha. [15:47] <Ringo2000> lol. [15:47] <futureweasley> I think that Hermione and Harry really needed a moment to "bond" their friendship up, too. Ron was always part of the equation, and Hermione showed that she could be there for Harry in that way, too [15:47] <JaneMarple9> yes, he'd probably drag hermione away and left harry alone at his parents graveyard [15:47] <bibs> it was fantastically random! [15:48] <Evreka> this way his destroyed wand is the worst in the loss, if the wand came first and ron after it would be the other way around [15:48] <Narya> I don't think Ron would make jokes in the graveyard - as Harry's best friend, he would have known how much that all meant to Harry, and it would have been totally inappropriate, not to mention out of character [15:48] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, Ron probably would have started chatting with Bathilda with his new skills. [15:48] <Ringo2000> I dont think he would either, Narya. [15:48] <Aislinn> I agree Narya [15:48] <Evreka> I like that thought future [15:48] <JaneMarple9> had ron heard parceltongue before? [15:48] <jaimedanser> Kneazle-haha [15:48] <beatlette> CoS [15:48] <Aislinn> yes, Jane, in CoS [15:48] <cbm> CoS [15:48] <Expelliarmas> Ron heard parsel tongue in CoS [15:48] <futureweasley> lol [15:48] <Questauthor> Ditto! [15:48] <JaneMarple9> but why didn't hermione recognise it? [15:48] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is also important that Harry solidified his "mystic sister" appraisal of Hermione [15:48] <Questauthor> She wasn't with them when Harry spoke it [15:48] <hwa> interesting point Future weasley - it also shows that their friendship really is only a friendship and nothing more [15:48] <LadyCake> Yea that is tue [15:48] <beatlette> she was petrified at the time [15:48] <Expelliarmas> Ron also would have been alarmed by Bagshot's appearance [15:48] <Questauthor> In the bathroom with Locky [15:49] <Aislinn> Hermione was petrified at that time [15:49] <JaneMarple9> of course- when they went into the chamber [15:49] <LadyCake> She's heard parseltongue though [15:49] <Questauthor> Yes, Jane! [15:49] <jaimedanser> Yes, Jane that's right wink [15:49] <bibs> hermione wasnt there for "open" [15:49] <cbm> she only heard it during the duel with malfoy [15:49] <kneazlegirl> Ron might not have let Harry go upstairs alone, actually. [15:49] <JaneMarple9> yes now i rememner! [15:49] <Questauthor> But apparently a little parseltongue can go a long way [15:49] <MrMcGonagall> We finally learn what Rowling had in mind for Hermione's third "smell" from the Amortentia potion. She said, "I think it was his hair. Every individual has very distinctive-smelling hair, don't you find?" [15:49] <jaimedanser> Kneazle-no, I don't think he would've [15:49] <fawkes28> i also think it is interesting to separate the trio at times because then they are able to get more information [15:49] <Questauthor> ron's hair [15:49] <Questauthor> hopefully BEFORE a game of Quidditch [15:49] <JaneMarple9> very sweet! [15:49] <Ringo2000> I found that interesting [15:49] <kneazlegirl> My friend said to this: "JKR, that's called "shampoo"" [15:49] <Narya> I think that was quite a neat observation by JKR [15:49] <jaimedanser> I thought it was sweet biggrin [15:49] <beatlette> I found that cute. haha [15:49] <Evreka> lol Questauthor! [15:50] <Questauthor> Was she ever close enough to Ron to actually smell his hair? [15:50] <JaneMarple9> How many times had hermione smelt ron's hair? laugh [15:50] <futureweasley> I love that...it's so sweet, and totally true. [15:50] <Expelliarmas> Hermione would have found the smell of Ron's hair attractive?!? What? Is he using Lockhart grooming potions or something [15:50] <jaimedanser> Hermione: new parchement, freshly mown grass, and Ron's hair [15:50] <jaimedanser> bahahaha [15:50] <futureweasley> I was going to ask the same thing, QuestAuthor!! [15:50] <Evreka> We all knew it would be Ron related [15:50] <hwa> LOL Kneazle [15:50] <Questauthor> At least it wasn't his smelly socks. Cuz socks seem to rule in HP [15:50] <JaneMarple9> i wasn't expecting it to be ron's hair [15:50] <LadyCake> lol [15:50] <bibs> can you imagine "i can smell rons hair-" goes quiet as malfoy laughs and ron looks chuffed [15:50] <Ringo2000> I think that she she would have been close enough to smell his hair. [15:50] <MrMcGonagall> It must have been something very personal to Ron to make Hermione stop in awkward embarrassment like that. [15:50] <JaneMarple9> ooo quest - i wish it had been laugh [15:50] <Expelliarmas> You know, I don't think I've ever found the smell of a guy's hair to be attractive. Hermione and Jo are weirdos. [15:51] <Aislinn> I think they spent a ton of time together - leaning over his shoulder to correct his homework would have given her an opportunity to smell his hair [15:51] <cbm> Didn't Harry smell ginny's hair? [15:51] <Questauthor> lol, Expie!!! [15:51] <beatlette> yeah he did cbm [15:51] <cbm> So it makes since to me [15:51] <Evreka> lol Aislinn [15:51] <bibs> he smelt her though [15:51] <jaimedanser> I love the smell of guys hair, Expell! [15:51] <futureweasley> LOL Expie! Aww, c'mon it's romantic and very personal [15:51] <Ringo2000> lol [15:51] <JaneMarple9> i think he did - on his 17th birthday [15:51] <Questauthor> But Ginny's a girl, they do have good smelling hair! [15:51] <Aislinn> yes it is, future [15:51] <Evreka> He smell her perfume I thought? [15:51] <Narya> It's a mark of how deeply Hermione cares for Ron, I think - and her embarrassment shows that she's afraid to express how deeply Ron affects her [15:51] <beatlette> i love the smell of guys hair...when it's washed lol [15:51] <kneazlegirl> I don't exactly go around smelling people's hair, so I haven't noticed. [15:51] <Ringo2000> hmm [15:51] <Aislinn> I've actually seen that used in many books, in relation to guys loving the smell of a woman's hair [15:51] <hwa> lol quest author [15:51] * MrMcGonagall is rolling on the floor laughing. [15:51] <Questauthor> I guess I;ve noticed my husband's hair before [15:52] <futureweasley> true Narya [15:52] <jaimedanser> kneazle-I don't either, but the guys I do like...I love their hair smell [15:52] <Evreka> lol kneazlegirl [15:52] <JaneMarple9> not the sort of thing muggles notice, hair smell! [15:52] <Expelliarmas> Jo could've done a lot better [15:52] <JaneMarple9> at least i don't laugh [15:52] <Questauthor> but what else related to smell could she use with Ron? [15:52] <Narya> Right Aislinn - and it's also similar to a mother smelling her baby's hair - that smell is unforgettable [15:52] <fawkes28> i bet a lot of people were smelling their significant other's hair after that chat [15:52] <Aislinn> exactly, narya [15:52] <LadyCake> I don't think so Expel... [15:52] <hwa> at least we know Ron's hair probably smelled better than Snapes [15:52] <Expelliarmas> Actually, Q, let's not go there ... [15:52] <ProngsPatronus> yes, it is [15:52] * futureweasley is a sappy, sentimental schmuck,,,and this was just the sort of information from Jo that makes her happy [15:52] <kneazlegirl> Maybe the smell of a maroon sweater [15:52] <bibs> i thought it would be honey suckle [15:52] <jaimedanser> fawkes-:lol: [15:52] <Ringo2000> well maybe Ron had some disctinctive hair smell like a certain thing that made him different? [15:52] <Questauthor> Expie, I live in the house of THERE [15:52] <futureweasley> House of THERE! [15:52] <futureweasley> Bwahahahaha [15:53] <ginginkat> lol [15:53] <MrMcGonagall> In replying to questions about Parseltongue, JKR told us now that Harry is no longer a horcrux, he has lost his ability to use it, and "is very glad to do so." Dumbledore, though, spoke Parseltongue as he did Gobbledegook and Mermish because he was "brilliant." What does Dumbledore's efforts to learn these three languages reveal about him aside from his intelligence? [15:53] <LadyCake> Something like the smell of hair is something that lingers with a person truly in love. [15:53] <Questauthor> LOL [15:53] <Aislinn> that's right, LadyCake [15:53] <Questauthor> He has a huge desire to learn, period [15:53] <Ringo2000> I think he probably thought it was needed of him? [15:53] <Expelliarmas> DD had loads of time on his hands, apparently [15:53] <fawkes28> That he does consider Magical Creatures beneath humans [15:53] <Questauthor> One of those who kept on learning until the very end [15:53] <jaimedanser> That Dumbledor wanted to interact with other people [15:53] <fawkes28> does not!! [15:53] <beatlette> He wanted to learn how to communicate with other creatures [15:53] <fawkes28> sorry [15:53] <Aislinn> I think that Dumbledore wanted to have as many tools at his disposal as possible [15:53] <kneazlegirl> I was surprised that Parseltongue was actually learnable. [15:53] <JaneMarple9> he wanted to understand other creatures - goblins, snakes and merpeople [15:53] <cbm> I think it is all part of the since DD did not want power, he spent his time on learning [15:53] *** amartinde has quit [Bye] [15:53] <Rudius> i agree [15:53] <Aislinn> and the ability to communicate with everyone [15:53] <Evreka> His curiosity, and his intelligence firstly, perhaps secondly his wish to truelly understand Riddle [15:54] <bibs> so he comand the world of magical creachers [15:54] <MrMcGonagall> I was going to be shocked at you, fawkes. [15:54] <Narya> Other than his intelligence, I think it shows DD's huge curiosity and interest in the wizarding world, with a bit of strategy thrown in [15:54] <JaneMarple9> yes aislinn [15:54] <bibs> mermaids [15:54] <kneazlegirl> The fact that he can speak Mermish obviously proves that he is the Giant Squid. [15:54] <Questauthor> Know thy enemies and thy neighbors? [15:54] <Ringo2000> Well, it certainly must have helped him by destroing the horcruxes [15:54] <bibs> snakes [15:54] <jaimedanser> Evreka--good point, maybe he wanted to understand Voldemort [15:54] <futureweasley> well, I figure, DD being able to speak Mermish and Gobbledegook would be like a muggle being versed in the modern languages [15:54] <fawkes28> It also shows that he had a knack for learning languages [15:54] <ProngsPatronus> knowledge is power, though--DD got his need for power that way [15:54] <JaneMarple9> yes fawkes [15:54] <bibs> brb [15:54] <Narya> You see it as a need for power, PP? [15:54] <Aislinn> yes, future, to be able to talk to peoples from different cultures [15:54] <futureweasley> right, that's the idea [15:54] <Expelliarmas> Yes, so was I kneazle. Was there some sort of book? I think DD likely learned parseltongue once he learned it was something to do with Slytherin; or after he learned Riddle could do it. [15:55] <futureweasley> not a bad thought...lol [15:55] <futureweasley> DD = Jason Bourne? [15:55] <beatlette> hehehe [15:55] <LadyCake> hehe [15:55] <fawkes28> Remember he also wanted to see the world with Doge and not everyone speaks English so I am sure by this time he knew many languages [15:55] <Rudius> it dovetails in his philosophy that the wizardinf world needs to take other magical creatures seriously [15:55] <LadyCake> I think you have a point Expel. [15:55] <JaneMarple9> yes he learned parceltongue to understand riddle more [15:55] <Rudius> and the best way to understand them is to speak their language [15:55] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, interesting thought. [15:55] <JaneMarple9> nice point fwakes [15:55] <kneazlegirl> But I still think Dumbledore was the Squid. [15:55] <LadyCake> I wonder if there is some sort of library of knowledge only for headmastes and mistresses of Hogwarts. [15:55] <Evreka> How do you learn it though? Find a Snake to teach you? [15:56] <jaimedanser> Evreka-I dunno [15:56] <jaimedanser> good point [15:56] <LadyCake> The library having papers and journal's passed down through the years. [15:56] <cbm> imperio the snake and get it to talk? [15:56] <futureweasley> there's likely a book in the restricted section [15:56] * JaneMarple9 imagines approaching a snake. "Hi snakey - teach me your language please!" [15:56] <hwa> well ron was able to mimic harry, so maybe you just have to hear it and practice? [15:56] <bibs> im back [15:56] <Evreka> maybe Nigellus was a Parseltingue? [15:56] <jaimedanser> Jane--haha!!! [15:56] <kneazlegirl> It must be very hard to learn, I expect. [15:56] <JaneMarple9> perhaps so hwa [15:57] <jaimedanser> funny laugh [15:57] <LadyCake> lol [15:57] <futureweasley> that, or Learnables...anyone who took a language in high school knows what I'm taking about. A picture book with an audio tape playing in the background [15:57] <Evreka> Jane laugh [15:57] <futureweasley> that would be an entertaining way to learn Parseltongue [15:57] <JaneMarple9> parceltongue could be learned by imitation [15:57] <Expelliarmas> Parseltongue for Dummies [15:57] <jaimedanser> future-what,a tape of a snake hissing? [15:57] <LadyCake> lol [15:57] <jaimedanser> Hsssssssssssssss [15:57] <cbm> but someone must know the languge to create the book [15:57] <MrMcGonagall> Hehehe. DD used a Phonics Snake. [15:57] <jaimedanser> that means "Hello" [15:57] <Evreka> But Ron knew what Harry was saying [15:57] <futureweasley> yes, definitely [15:57] <Rudius> *Excuse me mr. boa constrictor, can you stop eating me and explain is it "hiss" before "spit" or the other way around...?* [15:57] <hwa> haha MrM! [15:57] <futureweasley> I don't think Ron did know...Ron was Hooked on Phonics [15:57] <cbm> Only because Harry told him what he was saying [15:57] <JaneMarple9> laugh [15:57] <Questauthor> Did DD listen to Parseltongue CDs while brooming it to London? [15:58] <bibs> lol [15:58] <Questauthor> Are they downloadable onto an IPOD? [15:58] <Evreka> lol jaime [15:58] <JaneMarple9> (what have i started? laugh) [15:58] <jaimedanser> Questauthor--haha! laugh [15:58] <MrMcGonagall> Alas! When asked about "all the socks," Rowling replied, "They're just a comedy item." Did you have a theory dashed by this revelation? What had the repeated use of socks… even as a "comedy item" meant to you? [15:58] <Aislinn> mobile pensieve, quest [15:58] <bibs> lolagain [15:58] <kneazlegirl> I remember all the sock theories. [15:58] <LadyCake> nah [15:58] <MrMcGonagall> I never had any sock theories at all. [15:58] <kneazlegirl> They were always fun. [15:58] <Expelliarmas> nope, no sock theories for me [15:58] <jaimedanser> bahaha I remember a theory on Mugglecast that socks could kill Voldemort [15:58] <jaimedanser> I thought that was funny [15:58] <futureweasley> BirthdayTwins wrote a great essay for Scribbulus about Socks [15:58] <JaneMarple9> i thought it was great how socks appeared so regularly [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> that JKR had cold feet... [15:58] <cbm> there were sock theries? [15:58] <LadyCake> lol [15:58] <jaimedanser> but no personal theories for me [15:58] <cbm> lol [15:58] <kneazlegirl> I would always joke that Uncle Vernon's old socks were a horcrux because they were mentioned in so many books. [15:59] <LadyCake> Yea I remember that one as well jaime. [15:59] <bibs> i love that socks ar so normal [15:59] <Evreka> nothing disspelled no [15:59] <futureweasley> it's funny and it makes a lot of sense...but is now dashed by JKR's musings about socks [15:59] <hwa> I think maybe JKR must have washed a lot of socks while writing the books and so they became a point of comedy [15:59] <JaneMarple9> and dobby loved socks - so they weren't all bad! [15:59] <fawkes28> i thought it would be neat if there was some other meaning behind it [15:59] <jaimedanser> DOBBY *sob* [15:59] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [15:59] <MrMcGonagall> I think socks really came into their own as a comedy item with Dobby. [15:59] <Narya> I think the socks were just a comic touch - another aspect of DD's character to show that he had a funny side as well as his more magisterial side [15:59] <LadyCake> I know [15:59] <fawkes28> we all just love analyzing her books to death [15:59] <kneazlegirl> I think I remember reading an essay about how socks symbolized freedom. [15:59] <JaneMarple9> And Dumbledore "said" he saw himself with socks [15:59] <LadyCake> I raised a glass to Dobby. [15:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey guys! [15:59] <Evreka> Although I thought they were possibly repeated for sort of loving connections [15:59] <LadyCake> hey [15:59] <Rudius> its a very british thing - a running joke of such a mundane nature [15:59] <bibs> lets all toast dobby [15:59] <futureweasley> hug Chocolate [15:59] <Evreka> as in positive things to have [16:00] <LadyCake> To Dobby [16:00] <JaneMarple9> hi chocolate! ;) [16:00] *** bangfrog has joined #lounge [16:00] <Rudius> its like the globe rolling around in the pink panther movie [16:00] <jaimedanser> *raises glass* To Dobby, a free elf! [16:00] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [16:00] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [16:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we talking dumbledore's lies and how socky they are? [16:00] <beatlette> *raises glass* [16:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> :-D [16:00] <fawkes28> lol [16:00] <futureweasley> I love Dobby...and Ron giving Dobby his socks was such a tender moment [16:00] <kneazlegirl> I also remember all the discussion of whether DD really DID see socks in the mirror, or not. [16:00] <futureweasley> I was bawling [16:00] <jaimedanser> yes, it was future [16:00] <Rudius> *cries in his beer over Dobby* [16:00] <hwa> this conversation is quickly disolving into hillarity [16:01] <LadyCake> Yea [16:01] <MrMcGonagall> It turns out that not all the murders creating horcruxes were "significant." JKR gives us this list: Diary = Moaning Myrtle; Locket = a Muggle tramp; Nagini = Bertha Jorkins; Diadem = an Albanian peasant; Ring = Riddle Sr." Were you right about any? Surprised by others? Does this list tell us more about horcrux creation or Voldemort? [16:01] <JaneMarple9> socks just kept appearing - in a way they were red herrings! [16:01] <Aislinn> me too, future [16:01] <Evreka> oooh dobby miss you... [16:01] <jaimedanser> no, this conversation is quickly disolving into depression over Dobby dying [16:01] <Aislinn> that put me over the edge [16:01] <fawkes28> i was so disappointed over this [16:01] <kneazlegirl> When I read this, it really hit me that the series was OVER and JKR can now tell us EVERYTHING. [16:01] <Evreka> I was a bit disappointed over that [16:01] *** bibs has quit [Bye] [16:01] <beatlette> Hmmm some are pretty insigificant [16:01] <LadyCake> I was right about Bertha and Myrtle. [16:01] *** bibs has joined #lounge [16:01] <jaimedanser> Hey, I was right about Bertha! and Myrtle!!! =D [16:01] <Aislinn> I was really surprised by that answer [16:01] <Rudius> i was right about the diary and the ring - but honestly - wo would have guessed an Albanina Peasant [16:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I was surprised by the Riddle Sr. one... i thought Tom didn't know how to make horcruxes, period, when he asked Slughorn about them... i guess he had made one and was planning to unlock the CoS and make his second? [16:01] <LadyCake> Wasn't surprised about the Ring [16:01] <bibs> sorry about that [16:01] <fawkes28> i was so sure that she didnt use someone insignificant - especially one to make Nagini [16:01] <JaneMarple9> i didn't really know what the horcruxes signified and who they signified [16:01] <Evreka> I mean with all people he murdered why? [16:02] <kneazlegirl> I was surprised that he would use some non-significant people. [16:02] <MrMcGonagall> I was surprised that most were so insignificant. [16:02] <cbm> myrtle and riddle sr. were the ones I guessed [16:02] <Expelliarmas> I think that list is screwy. It doesn't strike the right tone for a psychopath [16:02] <beatlette> wasnt surprised with the locket and ring [16:02] <bibs> computer keeps going mad [16:02] <kneazlegirl> Yeah. [16:02] <fawkes28> as i was watching the chat, i was thinking she made it up on the spot [16:02] <futureweasley> I figured that the ring was Riddle Sr. [16:02] <JaneMarple9> surely they could have found a better person than a albanian peasent [16:02] <Narya> I think that list shows that LV was utterly ruthless - it didn't matter who got in his way, from tramps to peasants to a young girl - he dispatched them all to get what he wanted [16:02] <futureweasley> everything else, I hadn't given much thought to [16:02] <MrMcGonagall> Two of them are just completely random people. [16:02] <jaimedanser> fawkes--maybe she did [16:02] <Aislinn> narya, good point [16:02] <Expelliarmas> I'm surprised the Riddle grandparents meant nothing [16:02] <kneazlegirl> The only one who actually mattered was Riddle Sr. [16:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too fawkes28... sometimes i think we put in more thought into the fringes of the non-plot essential facts than she does lol [16:02] <LadyCake> Well I think of it this way about the peasant... [16:02] <fawkes28> i guess it shows that he is more random than i thought [16:02] <Evreka> and Myrtle [16:03] <LadyCake> This is after Voldie lost his body. [16:03] <hwa> I think the fact that the murders were not all "significant" shows that riddle really didn't care who was hurt along his quest for invincibility [16:03] <futureweasley> didn't the basilisk kill Myrtle, though? [16:03] <ProngsPatronus> it just showed me once more, how Lv disdained people--how cheply he held life for anyone but himself [16:03] <Evreka> bewing the vivctim of his Heirness [16:03] <bibs> were they all muggles and muggleborn? [16:03] <LadyCake> he was kinda grasping at straws in fear of death. [16:03] <fawkes28> definitely, chocolateisforbreakfast wink [16:03] <Narya> I don't think there was anything random about LV - and PP, that's a good point [16:03] <Aislinn> yes, future [16:03] <bibs> what about bertha [16:03] <JaneMarple9> i never asked myself who voldie murdered, to make the horcruxes [16:03] <futureweasley> how did LV claim her death to make a horcrux? [16:03] <Aislinn> and I didn't think that counted [16:03] <LadyCake> He did expect what happened with Harry. [16:03] <Expelliarmas> And myrtle leading to a horcrux came as a surprise [16:03] <kneazlegirl> I guess it would have been a little hard to have each one be a significant item AND murder. [16:03] <cbm> But riddle ordered it, just like he ordered the snake to kill Snape [16:03] <Rudius> yes future, but the basilisk was a tool - riddle ordered her death [16:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's what i thought, future... i wonder if he had enough control over the snake for it to be his responsibility? [16:03] <kneazlegirl> No one would ever know who he killed for each, anyway. [16:03] <jaimedanser> kneazle--yeah, it would've [16:03] <kneazlegirl> Wait, which was the cup, again? [16:03] <LadyCake> didn't* [16:04] <Aislinn> he must have, chocolate [16:04] <bibs> riddle - muggle [16:04] <Questauthor> I thought the snake an awfully risky horocrux [16:04] <jaimedanser> I think he just killed someone once he had the item he wanted to make a Horcrux [16:04] <Expelliarmas> I thought he began creating horcruxes after the slughorn chat [16:04] <futureweasley> I guess that's a possibility, chocolate...I just think that's kind of weak [16:04] <LadyCake> The old lady [16:04] <LadyCake> Smith [16:04] <Questauthor> What comes first, the object or the murder? I think ojbect [16:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> agreed, future [16:04] <MrMcGonagall> Bertha made sense to me when I read it. I had always guessed Frank Bryce, but honestly, it makes more sense for him to have created the Naginicrux while still in Albania. [16:04] <bibs> murtle - muggle born [16:04] <Questauthor> HEY CHOCOLATE! [16:04] <Questauthor> btw [16:04] <ProngsPatronus> HepZibah [16:04] <Evreka> object [16:04] <cbm> A snake is risky, but he thought he had 4 more [16:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey questauthor!! [16:04] <kneazlegirl> Oh, right. [16:04] <fawkes28> I think it also shows that he was so obsessive with making horcruxes that he didnt even care who he killed. Definitely, a mental illness there [16:04] <Questauthor> Sociopath [16:04] <jaimedanser> fawkes--yep [16:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's the one [16:04] <MrMcGonagall> fawkes very deeply regrets LV's decision to make Nagini a horcrux. [16:04] <Aislinn> yeah, Mr M - that did make sense [16:04] <futureweasley> I mean, this is the DARK LORD we are talking about here...if you can't kill by your own hand, you shouldn't be able to "claim responsibliity" for the death [16:04] <bibs> oh - hepzibeth is no muggle born [16:04] <LadyCake> Exactly fawkes [16:04] <Questauthor> Absolutely no remorse. His soul was so split up he lost all capacity for human feelings [16:05] <fawkes28> i do so so much [16:05] <bibs> bang goes that theory [16:05] <Questauthor> all my theories go bang. I'mt he big bang of HP theories [16:05] <kneazlegirl> We know that he wanted to avoid killing purebloods, though. [16:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i still want to know what would happen if someone injested a horcrux.... [16:05] <Evreka> LOL Quest [16:05] <bibs> lol [16:05] <JaneMarple9> a few of my theories survived laugh [16:05] <kneazlegirl> It would probably be like wearing one, only worse. [16:05] <Questauthor> But he would kill a pureblood if he felt they were 'corrupted" [16:05] <LadyCake> that's very true Quest, but after he got Harry's blood, he was making some weird decisions. I wonder if maybe the love in Harry's blood was maybe messing with him? [16:05] <Rudius> we'd have to call you "horcruxesarenotforbreakfast" [16:05] <fawkes28> hahahahhahaa [16:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> rotfl rudius!!! [16:06] <LadyCake> Down to his thinking. [16:06] <bibs> i was right about a few death and harry = horcrux [16:06] <Questauthor> nice one, rudius!! [16:06] <futureweasley> omgoodness [16:06] <Evreka> lol fawkes [16:06] <fawkes28> well, chocolate isn't either wink [16:06] <bibs> lol [16:06] <jaimedanser> laugh [16:06] *** Kneazly has joined #lounge [16:06] <MrMcGonagall> We're given a peek at baby Teddy "with a tuft of bright turquoise hair" just before the battle of Hogwarts. Rowling confirmed that Teddy is a Metamorphmagus, "like his mother" rather than a werewolf. How would inheriting his mother's talent rather than his father's "furry little problem" have affected Teddy's personality development? [16:06] <Questauthor> (yes it is and I have a pic to prove it, fwakes) [16:06] <kneazlegirl> Hey Kneazly! [16:06] <Questauthor> That's a dang good question. I don't think he's a wolfie because you have to be bit to be a werewolf [16:06] <LadyCake> He wasn't shuned as much. [16:06] <cbm> It would be great for pranks! [16:06] <Evreka> um positively to say the least [16:06] <Questauthor> But perhaps wolfish tendancies? [16:07] <Rudius> he had a better chance of growing up "normal" [16:07] <JaneMarple9> well he would not be hounded for being a werewolf [16:07] <ProngsPatronus> well, it would make for a sunnier personality, I am sure [16:07] <futureweasley> he would have been accepted by the Wizarding world at large, for one [16:07] <Aislinn> I think that being a metamorphmagus gives a kid a great opportunity for hijinks in school [16:07] <Evreka> but I can't see how he could inherit a bite [16:07] <JaneMarple9> he had no werewolf traits [16:07] <jaimedanser> Happier, probably [16:07] <fawkes28> Oh, I am so glad that he did not become a werewolf - he had a hard enough time without parents anyway [16:07] <Questauthor> I bet he was a hit in the common room at Hogwarts [16:07] <kneazlegirl> It's a lot more useful, that's for sure. [16:07] <LadyCake> that's true Aislinn [16:07] <hwa> I thin k he would have been a fun light hearted person to be around [16:07] <MrMcGonagall> I never thought there was such a thing as a werewolf gene. I think Teddy probably inherited more of his mother's personality. [16:07] <bibs> i crie about lupin [16:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sad i'm so upset about Harry not meeting Teddy as a baby... SO many opportunities for remembering Lupin, and Sirius, and his father, and being responsible for the well-being of a son-figure... that paternal love is one we never got to see in Harry sad [16:07] <JaneMarple9> and he could change his appearence at will [16:07] <Rudius> well, lycantropy is a disease not a genetic disorder - so there was never a real risk of teddy becoming a werewolf [16:07] <Expelliarmas> Wouldn't someone have to be bitten to become a werewolf, I didn't think it was inherited [16:07] <Narya> Teddy being a Metamorphagus is quite apt, I think - showing that he's inherited his mother's mischief - although I think that trait would carry over from his father, too [16:07] <bibs> *sob* [16:07] <Aislinn> you mean, us not being able to read it on the page, chocolate? [16:07] <fawkes28> well, Lupin got us worrying that Teddy would become one [16:08] <Evreka> Me neither Expie [16:08] <futureweasley> Jo was looking to mirror Harry's beginnings, but from a shinier place than Harry. I think this is a step to show that things that come full circle don't have to be history repeating itself [16:08] * MrMcGonagall suspects Narya of being a Metamorphmagus sometimes. [16:08] <Questauthor> Buy is it a blood disorder? That could be passed along not as the entirety [16:08] <JaneMarple9> oh chocolate, i am sure harry helped with teddy's upbringing as well as molly [16:08] <Aislinn> because he clearly had that relationship, based on the epilogue [16:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah - something to lengthen the ending, aislinn [16:08] <kneazlegirl> Good point, future. [16:08] <Expelliarmas> Lupin worried about a lot of stuff, don't get me started on Lupin [16:08] <fawkes28> *snort* [16:08] <bibs> ihow come every time im on here and lupins mentioned i start crying [16:08] <Narya> *Narya is not going to disagree with Mr McG* [16:08] <Aislinn> yeah, I wish we had had more of a memorial after the battle [16:08] <Evreka> Jo said something about there being no werewolf cubs years ago that it was all a bite [16:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i wanted more down-time at the end of the book, to launch into the epilogue appropriately [16:08] <JaneMarple9> me too aislinn [16:08] <Rudius> a blood disorder can only travel down the mother's line - unless it is genetic [16:08] <fawkes28> me too, chocolate [16:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> instead of "i wanna sandwich" BAM 19 years [16:09] <bibs> lol [16:09] <futureweasley> haha, me too, Chocolate...but not 5 hours at the Canadian/US border [16:09] <Rudius> hence a child can get AIDS from the mother - but not the father [16:09] <jaimedanser> choco---:lol: [16:09] <LadyCake> lol [16:09] <JaneMarple9> that massive jump from the jublilation to 19 years [16:09] <Questauthor> lol chocolate! [16:09] <cbm> I would have liked 2 epilogues, 1 a week later and then the 19 year one [16:09] <Evreka> really? Interesting [16:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too cbm... more down time [16:09] <futureweasley> I agree cbm [16:09] <Questauthor> I hope Kreacher is still a part of the Potter family [16:09] <Ringo2000> that would have been cool cbm [16:09] <jaimedanser> cbm--yeah, that would've been nice [16:09] <bibs> *still crying over lupin* [16:09] <LadyCake> well I guess the encyclopedia will appease us all. [16:09] <Evreka> Don't like that 19 year gap sad [16:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> not me lol - i want it in novel-form [16:09] <JaneMarple9> i'd like to see harry and ginny's wedding - and hermione and ron's [16:09] <MrMcGonagall> Responding to George's loss of his twin, JKR said: "I don't think George would ever get over losing Fred, which makes me feel so sad. However he names his first child and son Fred, and he goes on to have a very successful career, helped by good old Ron." In what ways is Ron a good fit for the horrible hole in George's life? [16:10] <kneazlegirl> Let's not even talk about the epilogue [16:10] <bibs> 19 is my lucky number [16:10] <Aislinn> *sob* Fred [16:10] <fawkes28> awww [16:10] <Questauthor> I think so. Closest in age to George and all [16:10] * Expelliarmas passes the Cho Chang Deluxe Edition Kleenex to Aislinn [16:10] <Evreka> at least he is funny [16:10] <Questauthor> Moment of sadness.... [16:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> George's life is so holey! [16:10] <jaimedanser> Ron and Fred are a lot alike, I think [16:10] <Narya> Ron is a bit like Fred, so that fits [16:10] <Questauthor> Can I have one of those tissues Aislinn? [16:10] <Ringo2000> *bursts into tears* [16:10] <Evreka> he sorts of take jokes seriously [16:10] <JaneMarple9> he would probably help out in weasleys wizarding wheezes [16:10] <beatlette> I think George may have been the next closest to Ron [16:10] <jaimedanser> *sobs uncontrollably* FREEEEEEEEEED!!!! [16:10] <fawkes28> I think they would have helped each other through it [16:10] * Aislinn passes the box to Quest [16:10] <Rudius> *passes Aislinn some cho chang super deluxe tissues* [16:10] <hwa> Ron is a bit a joker himself [16:10] <kneazlegirl> I like how JKR said "and son," as if he would have named a girl Fred. [16:10] <jaimedanser> happy_crying [16:10] <bibs> oh god *crys even harder [16:10] <LadyCake> Yea [16:10] <Questauthor> Fredricka? [16:10] <JaneMarple9> it would still be mr weasley and mr weasley [16:10] <ginginkat> Ron is more relaxed with the jokes [16:11] <kneazlegirl> And actually, knowing George, he might have. [16:11] <Aislinn> lol, kneazle [16:11] <Questauthor> I just wonder who George married [16:11] <LadyCake> I think eventually Ron was made a partner in the place. [16:11] <Expelliarmas> Would've been nice to know how Ron helped George [16:11] <Evreka> But still I'd wanted to see him get to terms with it [16:11] <Ringo2000> *goes to the Corner Booth stockroom to get the kleenex handouts* [16:11] <Aislinn> Angelina! [16:11] * JaneMarple9 starts handing around hagrid sized tissues [16:11] <fawkes28> and i think ron would be able to give george his space when he needed it [16:11] <futureweasley> it's one of those events that happen in a person's life that they will never get over...it's horribly depressing, but I'm glad that George went on to do a lot with his life [16:11] <JaneMarple9> verity! [16:11] <Narya> Verity [16:11] <jaimedanser> Expell--yes, it would've been [16:11] <Questauthor> I'm with you, Aislinn! [16:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think Fred might have been more of an outgoing funny guy, while George was more reserved... Ron understands that reserved humor and shares it with George more than the outlandish class clown that Fred tends to be [16:11] <Evreka> how long was it before he could joke again? [16:11] <Evreka> (((George))) [16:11] <bibs> holey [16:11] <JaneMarple9> I really hope george married verity [16:11] <jaimedanser> Hmm...I think George was probably able to joke soon after that...but not about Fred [16:11] <bibs> sainted [16:11] <Evreka> His life sure is holey now... happy_crying [16:11] <Questauthor> I sooooo wanted to hear George's voice laughing on the Platform 19 years later. I could have cared less about Percy's Cauldron Dilemma [16:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> another thing i wish we could have gotten... what would george have said to Harry, or Harry have said to George? [16:12] <fawkes28> i dont know - i wish we could have seen their funerals [16:12] <jaimedanser> George, His holeyness [16:12] <fawkes28> to have more closure [16:12] <Aislinn> I agree chocolate [16:12] <bibs> i wanted him to marie alicia spinnet [16:12] <Questauthor> George got a hole in his head and a hole in his heart during the war. [16:12] <bibs> or h [16:12] <Ringo2000> I know who would really marry Percy?!?!?!! [16:12] <bibs> katie belle [16:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> those kinds of things we can't imagine like Jo can [16:12] <Aislinn> aww, quest [16:12] <futureweasley> If you were Angelina, do you think you could have married your bf's twin brother? I don't think I could have gone there...it would be horribly difficult [16:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the words [16:12] <Aislinn> he did [16:12] <Expelliarmas> Penelope Clearwater [16:12] <Evreka> i'm with you on theat Quest [16:12] <JaneMarple9> i am sure george began to get his sense of humour back fairly soon [16:12] <futureweasley> Quest, you rock...that he does!! [16:12] <Ringo2000> I hope George married someone into qudiditch (e.g.Katie Bell) [16:12] <jaimedanser> future--good point. I don't think it was Angelina [16:12] <Rudius> i think george and harry see alot of each other anyways [16:12] <kneazlegirl> I don't think Fred would have wanted George to be depressed at all. [16:12] <Questauthor> *Blush* [16:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> quest, that was just cheesy [16:13] <JaneMarple9> he knew that fred died with a big smile on his face [16:13] <futureweasley> Alicia Spinnet [16:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [16:13] <Aislinn> he wouldn't have wanted that, kneazle, you're right [16:13] <bibs> did any one els notice that katie got injured more than any other quidich player [16:13] <fawkes28> i dont think Angelina could have done it [16:13] <Questauthor> I think George lives and does a lot to honor his twin [16:13] <LadyCake> very true future. [16:13] <Aislinn> and I'm sure George's family was there for him [16:13] <LadyCake> just wouldn't feel right [16:13] <Expelliarmas> Katie was a bit of a punching bag ... [16:13] <Aislinn> it is just so hard to imagine one without the other [16:13] <Narya> I think Fred's most fitting memorial would be George's ability to keep inventing stuff for WWW, with Ron's help of course [16:13] <futureweasley> oh yes, the Weasleys are such an inspiration to me [16:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Fred died with a smile on his face! what a way to go [16:13] <jaimedanser> I want to know exactly what Harry said to all of the families who lost people in the war [16:13] <Rudius> i think George may have been able to show more of his own personality now - instead of being backp to his twin [16:13] <Evreka> but what fred would have wanted and how george can live up to it might be two diff things [16:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too jaime [16:13] <jaimedanser> He said he had to talk to a bunch of people...but what did he say??? [16:13] <Questauthor> Exactly, chocolate. I thought it was poignant for Jo to point that out [16:13] <Kneazly> [/quit] [16:13] <JaneMarple9> angelina or angelica for mrs george weasley would be quite suitable, if not verity [16:13] <futureweasley> the ghost of the last laugh on his face...that was such brilliant imagry [16:13] <Aislinn> I think that Ron's heart and humor would be a nice match for George, in the joke shop [16:14] *** Kneazly has quit [Bye] [16:14] *** Snitch2006 has joined #lounge [16:14] <Questauthor> I also think he'll keep an eye on George and not let him get too far in the dumps [16:14] <Ringo2000> I think somehow they would have remembered Fred in some way, maybe some sort of plaque on the wall of the shop [16:14] <LadyCake> he feels their pain, but to let them know they are in a better place...small comfort. [16:14] <fawkes28> yes, and Fred was so loyal to the Order - he wanted to join before he was allowed to [16:14] <MrMcGonagall> On question of blood: "Harry and Voldemort are distantly related through the Peverells …nearly all wizarding families are related … back through the centuries. As was made clear in DH, Peverell blood would run through many wizarding families." What does this say to all the blood prejudice and segregations like the Gryffindor and Slytherin opposition? [16:14] <jaimedanser> future--oh, now I'm crying again *sob* [16:14] <Questauthor> I think thre's a life sized statue of Fred holding a skiving snackbox in the shop [16:14] <JaneMarple9> i am thinking there will be a fred weasley award at hogwarts - for causing mayhem [16:14] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [16:14] <Ringo2000> LOL Jane! laugh [16:15] *** Rudius has quit [Bye] [16:15] <LadyCake> It's stupid [16:15] <Evreka> they all have it wrong [16:15] <Questauthor> That's it's pretty dang stupid [16:15] *** Rudius has joined #lounge [16:15] <Expelliarmas> It's says Slytheriin really was a nut [16:15] <kneazlegirl> It says that prejudice is stupid. [16:15] <LadyCake> Really makes no sense at all. [16:15] <Snitch2006> it's says it's ridiculous. they're all related anyway! [16:15] <jaimedanser> that they're wrong [16:15] <Narya> I think that was neatly done by JKR - to show that prejudice and isolationist tactics are pretty meaningless [16:15] <JaneMarple9> prejudice is very silly [16:15] <bibs> all blood is humen and that all that matters [16:15] <Questauthor> I agree, Narya [16:15] <jaimedanser> and all related, so it doesn't make any sense [16:15] *** hwa left #lounge [] [16:15] <Ringo2000> I think James Potter II is in the running for that award, Jane biggrin [16:15] <Evreka> seems we all get it at least wink [16:15] <fawkes28> some people just want listen - they will look for any excuse to prove that they are better than others - including blood [16:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think the gryffindor slytherin rift is more about MAJOR personality differences, which is just enhanced by prejudices... how can a group of people devoted to themselves ever get along with a group of people devoted to everyone BUT themselves? [16:15] <cbm> It makes no sense, but I think that was the point, to have the bad guys fighting for something that was pointless [16:15] <JaneMarple9> yep ringo laugh how appropriate, his nephew! [16:16] <Ringo2000> Hahah! [16:16] <LadyCake> I have a statement of sorts. [16:16] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, I was disappointed that James II continued the tradition of prejudice so strongly. [16:16] <kneazlegirl> Give the Slytherins a chance, at least! [16:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> go for it ladycakes [16:16] <Questauthor> I hadn't though of it that way, Kneazle, but I can see that point [16:16] <Evreka> I got the feeling James II was a LOT like the twins [16:16] <JaneMarple9> ah that was james "weasley" side. [16:16] <Aislinn> it does seem more a fundamental view of the world difference, yes chocolate [16:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree kneazle - i wished the sorting hat had been destroyed [16:16] <fawkes28> i think it is a good theme for Jo to include in her books [16:16] <LadyCake> I have been listening to the audiobooks again, and though we don't exactly see the veil it is talked bout a lot. [16:16] <jaimedanser> Kneazlie--I didn't feel like that, but...I can see your point [16:16] <fawkes28> it really is a universal theme [16:16] <Questauthor> Not destroyed, perhaps made into a cake? Wait... that already happened [16:17] <JaneMarple9> i'd say so evreka - the twins and sirius combined [16:17] <Ringo2000> Oh, I never expected the house rift to stop, It has to go on, there will always be some fundemental arguements whether your in red or green smile [16:17] <bibs> belatrix murdered her brother in law cousin and niece so blood is just below her [16:17] <cbm> I think that is rivalry, not p[rejudice, there is a difference [16:17] <kneazlegirl> I was also disapponted in Ron for telling his kids he'd disown them if they weren't in Gryffindor... but that's getting off topic [16:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha quest, that cake at prophecy rocked my dobby socks off [16:17] <Expelliarmas> I don't think destroying the sorting hat would work, but they sure could delay the sorting for a few years [16:17] <jaimedanser> Ringo--well, of course there will be!!! [16:17] <JaneMarple9> i am sure ron did not mean that kneazle [16:17] <Evreka> yeah Jane [16:17] <Questauthor> Perhaps they handle interhouse issues differently at Hoggys now, tho [16:17] <kneazlegirl> I half expected the house system to be abolished at the end. [16:17] <Questauthor> We just don't know enough to say for sure [16:17] <jaimedanser> Ron was just joking when he said that [16:17] <Ringo2000> Ron was joking Kneazle! [16:17] <JaneMarple9> that was ron;s sense of humour as usual [16:17] <kneazlegirl> Even jokes can have their effect, though. [16:17] <Evreka> as it was James II's [16:17] <Questauthor> But the joke has an underlying sense of distance, of separation, or us-vs-them [16:18] <Ringo2000> Same probably with the "dont marry a pureblood". [16:18] <kneazlegirl> I don't see him pushing for house equality anywhere to make up for it, either. [16:18] <Aislinn> which is like parents who talk about colleges [16:18] <Aislinn> Yale vs. Harvard [16:18] <futureweasley> "Grandpa Weasley will have a fit" [16:18] <jaimedanser> Yes, Quest, but you can't expect the Slytherins and Gryffindors to all of the sudden love each other, can you? [16:18] <futureweasley> haha [16:18] <Aislinn> there are rivalries everywhere [16:18] <jaimedanser> there's still gonna be some rivalry and hate [16:18] <bibs> "dad this is scorpius" says rose, 2is your father still a git then scorpius?" says ron [16:18] <Questauthor> True, that, jaime! [16:18] <cbm> I did not find the house separation to be the problem, I found the attitudes of the bigots in the houses to be the problems [16:18] <Expelliarmas> 20 years later, you would have thought they would have come further then they had [16:18] <JaneMarple9> laugh bibs [16:18] <futureweasley> actually, I know that was a joke, but that's where prejudice starts...at home [16:18] <fawkes28> and i dont think any of us expecting these prejudices to magically stop when voldemort was defeated [16:18] <Aislinn> cbm, very well put! [16:19] <Evreka> agree cbmj [16:19] <Evreka> *cbm [16:19] <Ringo2000> I dont see Rose and Scorpius being married :S [16:19] <JaneMarple9> i can imagine rosie introduces her new best friend to ron [16:19] <Questauthor> Oy.... a Weasley/Malfoy wedding [16:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> to me, it seemed like the nod between Harry and Draco was a "i don't despise you anymore" nod? [16:19] <Questauthor> Can you imagine??? [16:19] <jaimedanser> Jane--haha, Ron would kill Scorpius [16:19] <jaimedanser> Hermione would faint [16:19] <bibs> lol [16:19] <Questauthor> That'd be a blast and a half. Literally [16:19] <LadyCake> nope [16:19] <cbm> It would be funny to see the look on Ron's face when she told him [16:19] <Aislinn> yeah, kind of chocolate [16:19] <LadyCake> but stranger things have happened [16:19] <MrMcGonagall> Although some have long recognized what/how a poltergeist "worked," JKR confirmed that Peeves is "is a spirit of chaos that entered the building long ago and has proved impossible to eradicate!" What purpose does such a character serve in this series? What have been your favorite "Peeves moments"? [16:19] <JaneMarple9> now come on... scorpious might have been in gryffindor [16:19] <Evreka> choccolate think it was a recogition of being politye [16:19] <kneazlegirl> The house system is fun and an important part of Hogwarts, but it's flawed. [16:20] <Questauthor> Is anyone else sitting around wondering what their hair smells like? <---- totally random thought [16:20] <fawkes28> but see - Rose and Scorpius would be fine - like future said - it starts in the home [16:20] <JaneMarple9> "Oh potter you rotter!" [16:20] <Aislinn> lol quest [16:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> shant say nothing if you don't say please..... NOTHING! [16:20] <jaimedanser> Quest--well, I wasn't, but now I am [16:20] <Ringo2000> Oh lord the "Voldy song" was hillarious, [16:20] <beatlette> My fave Peeves moment was when he actually gave hell to Umbridge after the twins told him to do so [16:20] <Evreka> It unscrews the other way!!! [16:20] <LadyCake> Yea I agree Jane [16:20] <kneazlegirl> Can't you just smell it, then, Questauthor? [16:20] <JaneMarple9> and when he saluted the twins [16:20] <ginginkat> unscrewing the chandilier [16:20] <jaimedanser> Ooo, favorite Peeves moments! The Voldy's gone moldy song!!! [16:20] <cbm> The song at the end! [16:20] <Questauthor> the volde song was great, but the Weasley leaving... the best [16:20] <fawkes28> he has provided sooooo much humor [16:20] <Expelliarmas> Peeves pelting the Toad with a sack of chalk and the walking stick [16:20] <Snitch2006> me, too, beatlette [16:20] <bibs> now voldy is moldy so lets go have some fun [16:20] <LadyCake> and the fact that he follows Fred and George's order. [16:20] <Narya> Peeves dropping an inkwell on Katie Bell's head [16:20] <Questauthor> Minerva helping him unscrew the chandelier [16:20] <Aislinn> ron's comment on it was even better ringo [16:20] <fawkes28> my favorite moment was when he saluted the twins [16:20] <Rudius> it shows anot all magical problems have a solution [16:20] <Narya> Peeves dropping the balloons full of water on all the first years [16:20] <ProngsPatronus> wadiwasi [16:20] <Evreka> and Minerva calling him to help defend the castle [16:20] <ProngsPatronus> my fave [16:21] <Ringo2000> Ohh what was it Aislinn? [16:21] <Evreka> I'm sure he did a good job [16:21] <Narya> That was more a Remus moment, PP *giggle* [16:21] <bibs> i shant say nothing if you dont say please [16:21] <jaimedanser> ooh, Waddiwasi! I'd forgotten that [16:21] <JaneMarple9> that was classic - saluting the weasley twins and saying he'd help rid hogwarts of umbridge [16:21] <Aislinn> really captures the scope and tragedy of the moment, doesn't it? [16:21] <cbm> lol [16:21] <Questauthor> That was a perfect line [16:21] <Snitch2006> McGonagall telling Filch. "Peeves..you know Peeves. You've despised him for a quarter of a century." LOL [16:21] <Evreka> lol [16:21] <Aislinn> or words to that effect [16:21] <jaimedanser> Aislinn-I loved that! =D [16:21] <JaneMarple9> yes waddiwassi was more a lupin moment sad [16:21] <Ringo2000> is fawkes in this chat? Because I would like to congrats her on my favourite theory about the house elves attacking! [16:21] <Evreka> rthat to Snitch [16:21] <fawkes28> we all love him from the books - it couldnt have been that hard to put him in the movie [16:21] <fawkes28> yes, i am smile [16:21] <JaneMarple9> yeah that was classic ainslinn [16:22] <Ringo2000> Hahaha! I loved that fawkes! biggrin Great theory [16:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i loved it when peeves is mentioned in passing, like when he wouldn't let anyone up a flight of stairs unless they set their pants ablaze, and then a bit later, Neville comes in with smoking pants [16:22] <Questauthor> I miss Peeves in the movies [16:22] <kneazlegirl> The scene where Peeves tells DD that Sirius Black is in the castle is classic. [16:22] <fawkes28> thanks, ringo [16:22] <JaneMarple9> peeves was such a fun person to have around [16:22] <MrMcGonagall> In response to dismay over Harry's use of the Cruciatus Curse, Rowling pointed out that this is an extreme situation defending a very good person against a violent and murderous opponent. "Harry is not, and never has been, a saint. Harry's faults are primarily anger and occasional arrogance." How does Rowling's explanation strike you? [16:22] <Questauthor> Moments of levity much needed [16:22] <JaneMarple9> i would have liked him in the films too [16:22] <Evreka> I don't think I'd like to meet him in person though [16:22] <Aislinn> I loved this answer [16:22] <kneazlegirl> I really don't buy that explanation. At all. [16:22] <cbm> I thought it was a good explanation [16:22] <bibs> i got scene it harry potter for christmas and one questiion is who plays peeves int the movies but is cut out [16:22] <Ringo2000> She placed it perfectly in context. [16:22] <beatlette> If I was Harry at that moment, I would've done the same thing [16:22] <Snitch2006> Rowling's description is fair. [16:23] <Expelliarmas> I still say Harry didn't do anything wrong when he nailed Carrows with that curse [16:23] <jaimedanser> I really liked her explanation [16:23] <Questauthor> Dead on. People do things in war that they later regret or wold never do in normal course of things [16:23] <Evreka> I liked that actually [16:23] <fawkes28> it didnt bother me that he used an Unforgivable [16:23] <JaneMarple9> it summoned up harry pretty well [16:23] <beatlette> and we see that Harry isn't a saint anyway [16:23] <LadyCake> He's human. All humans have failings. [16:23] <Narya> I think JKR's explanation was a good one - she also pointed out that Harry is "flawed", which is very important to our understanding of him [16:23] <fawkes28> she is right - they were at war and he was the one being targeted [16:23] <jaimedanser> It didn't bother me too much that he used it on the Carrow dude [16:23] <JaneMarple9> we all knew harry had his bad faults [16:23] <Questauthor> Harry has never been protrayed as perfect, whichi s one of the best things about the books [16:23] <ProngsPatronus> and--it is war [16:23] <LadyCake> Harry's is his anger and arrogance. [16:23] <Expelliarmas> It's not like Harry tortured Carrows for an hour. It was momentary and over and done with [16:23] <Aislinn> Jo makes it very clear throughout the books that all the characters are human - they all have light and dark sides [16:23] <JaneMarple9> but voldemort had millions of them [16:23] <jaimedanser> Harry has never been perfect [16:23] <Aislinn> well, maybe not voldy [16:23] <Evreka> because especially with his self sacrifice later it is IMPORTANT that we remember he has faults too [16:23] <kneazlegirl> It made me feel like Harry hasn't been paying attention or learning anything. [16:23] <cbm> I love his line after that though, commenting on what bella said [16:23] <ProngsPatronus> sometimes, on does things like that in a war [16:23] <fawkes28> He tried to used them before - it is not surprising that he would attempt them in this book [16:23] <jaimedanser> It also shows how much he now hates the DEs and...his loyalty to McGonagall [16:23] <Evreka> he is human although extremely courageous [16:23] <futureweasley> I like that she pointed out that Harry is not a saint...I think that's important that people understand that about his character [16:23] <jaimedanser> wink [16:23] <Questauthor> I loved him protecting Minerva [16:24] <MrMcGonagall> The Imperius honestly bothered me more than the Cruciatus Curse [16:24] <Expelliarmas> Besides, it served Carrows right to get nailed with Crucio; seeing as he was teaching it to certain students [16:24] <kneazlegirl> He may not be perfect, but how could he use the spell that tortured Neville's parents so easily? [16:24] <ProngsPatronus> me, too [16:24] <Questauthor> I'm a sucker for anything and anyone pro-Minerva [16:24] <Pleshette> Me too Questauthor [16:24] <Aislinn> it was like a punch [16:24] <JaneMarple9> harry has a saving people thing - but this doesn't stop him being reckless [16:24] <fawkes28> why, Mr. M? [16:24] <Questauthor> He didn't use it continuously until the person lost their mind [16:24] <Aislinn> he did not sustain a torturing curse [16:24] <Narya> The Imperius Curse bothered me a lot more too, I must admit [16:24] <cbm> Even if it had only done what it had done to bella, it would have put carrow down and been unblockable, it just worked better this time [16:24] <Questauthor> He used it defensively [16:24] <jaimedanser> The imperius curse bothered me less...because he didn't do it right [16:24] <Evreka> I too loved that he protected Minerva [16:24] <jaimedanser> so I was like, Oh, Ok [16:24] <kneazlegirl> It just seemed totally out of character. [16:24] <Evreka> but it is a bit odd he didn't use stupefy [16:24] <jaimedanser> He CAN'T do it [16:24] <JaneMarple9> harry did the unforgivable curses at moments of need [16:24] <bibs> i shouted no harry! [16:24] <LadyCake> I have a question...did JK ever answer who head boy and girl were for Harry's last year? [16:24] <cbm> stupefy is blockable [16:24] <Snitch2006> I loved that he protected Minerva. Made her reaction to his "death" that more meaningful. [16:25] <bibs> but i got over it [16:25] <JaneMarple9> sometimes he didn't really mean them [16:25] <Evreka> so I guess it was to reming us all Harry is no saint [16:25] <fawkes28> He needed to do what he had to do - even if it meant using the Imperius [16:25] <bibs> saint or holey [16:25] <Evreka> oooh good point cbm, [16:25] <Narya> I don't think it says much for Harry that he tried to control someone's mind - I could see the point of him using Cruciatus, but had a hard time with the Imperius curse - just the thought of it [16:25] <kneazlegirl> They're called "Unforgivables" for a reason. [16:25] <MrMcGonagall> I can see the Crucio being used in a moment of anger, but the Imperius is a little different. [16:25] <Aislinn> he wouldn't have been as great a character if he had been too perfect [16:25] <Evreka> but isn't crucio blockable? [16:25] <Rudius> him enjoying it bothered me more, honestly [16:25] <Evreka> It's only ak that isn't I think [16:25] <jaimedanser> MrM--but he couldn't do the Imperius properly [16:25] <Narya> They're both blockable This post has been edited by fawkes28: Aug 19 2007, 04:28 PM |
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[16:26] <Evreka> precisely Aislinn
[16:26] <cbm> I thought crucio was unblockable [16:26] <Questauthor> Ack.... I hate to leave but I have to go!!! [16:26] <MrMcGonagall> He did the Imperius well-enough, especially for a first-timer [16:26] <ProngsPatronus> Harry was able to counter the Imperious [16:26] <kneazlegirl> Not using Dark magic doesn't make him perfect, it makes him... someone who's been raised to know better. [16:26] <Questauthor> Bye everyone! [16:26] <Aislinn> and he did it as a defensive maneuver, not to imprison someone or force them to do harm to others [16:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye questauthor!!!!! [16:26] <Evreka> bye quest [16:26] <kneazlegirl> Which he WAS. [16:26] <JaneMarple9> bye quest! [16:26] <Aislinn> bye quest [16:26] <bibs> bye [16:26] <ginginkat> bye Quest [16:26] <kneazlegirl> Bye! [16:26] <Ringo2000> All characters have the flairs, and he protected McGonagall in defence [16:26] *** Questauthor has quit [Bye] [16:26] <Ringo2000> Bye Quest! [16:26] <jaimedanser> bye Quest! [16:26] <MrMcGonagall> Rowling reveal that Dumbledore's boggart is the corpse of his sister. How does this compare to the boggarts we've known of other characters? [16:26] <kneazlegirl> He was not "protecting" McGonagall! [16:26] <JaneMarple9> very similar to mrs weasley [16:26] <futureweasley> this is much more personal [16:26] <Snitch2006> compares very well. Reminds me of Molly Weasley [16:27] <Ringo2000> Similair to Mrs.Weasley's [16:27] <Aislinn> yes, snitch [16:27] <fawkes28> oh, nice point, snitch [16:27] <cbm> I was suprised as it referred to a past event, not a possible future one [16:27] <Evreka> the scariest thing may sometimes be something you remember [16:27] <jaimedanser> Hmm...its more personal than other peoples [16:27] <Narya> I think DD's boggart typified a very real horror for him, something that he never recovered from [16:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's interesting... Mrs. Weasley is focused more on the fear of the possible future, rather than remembering the past... seems VERY odd that Dumbledore is so scared of things that are unchangable [16:27] <JaneMarple9> yes nayra [16:27] <LadyCake> I'll cyall later. [16:27] <fawkes28> Dumbledore really takes things to heart. It scarred him for life [16:27] <Aislinn> he feels responsible, chocolate [16:27] <Pleshette> It shows how much his family means to him and how fearful he was to lose them [16:27] <Aislinn> it is a horror he can never make right [16:27] *** LadyCake has quit [Bye] [16:27] <Evreka> not more personal than Mollys or Seamus (who had a banshee) [16:27] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore never knew who killed ariana - who cast that spell [16:27] <cbm> maybe his real fear is being that type of position again and making the wrong decision [16:27] <beatlette> it haunts him [16:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i could see it being an effect a dementor might have on him, but not as a current fear [16:28] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD felt some guilt at having either accidentally or indirectly been the cause of his sister's death. [16:28] <beatlette> and he never knew who killed her [16:28] <jaimedanser> how is Seamus's personal? [16:28] <Evreka> right Pleshette [16:28] <Narya> He could never make it right, and always blamed himself unjustifiably for it [16:28] <Ringo2000> I think it hit him hard, and since he witnessed her death and could have possibly been responsible for it, he must have felt that it was his fault, and only his fault. [16:28] <JaneMarple9> he is frightened that it might have been himselg who killed ariana [16:28] <beatlette> and knowing that he might've could scare him [16:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think that it shows his soul was scarred by her death, whether or not he actually was the one who killed her [16:28] <jaimedanser> I think it also showed he was afraid of people finding out his story... [16:28] <bibs> it was something he thought he was responsible for [16:28] <Aislinn> yes, pronge [16:28] <jaimedanser> or that he was afraid he had been the one who killed her [16:28] <futureweasley> I disagree Evreka...Seamus's "banshee" wasn't personal...it's like Ron's spider...it's almost an irrational fear [16:28] <bibs> guilt is probably worse than fear [16:28] <cbm> I think DD was responsible for her death [16:28] <Evreka> banshee means someones died though? [16:28] <JaneMarple9> yes he felt very responsible for ariana's death [16:29] <Ringo2000> But a dead corpse is? [16:29] <JaneMarple9> he thought he should have done more [16:29] <MrMcGonagall> There wasn't a lot in the world that DD was really afraid of. [16:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> dementors seem to be the things that bring up terrible tihngs from the past, and boggarts bring up fearful situations that a person might see themselves in [16:29] <ProngsPatronus> DD says that he still doesn't know who actually killed her [16:29] <MrMcGonagall> The corpse of his sister would be a reminder of all that he is not. [16:29] <JaneMarple9> i think a banshee's cry tells you that death is near [16:29] <Evreka> No especially not with that bond [16:29] <jaimedanser> Prongs--yes, he does [16:29] <cbm> Maybe he is scared of seeing her again on the next great advetdure [16:29] <jaimedanser> Poor Dumbledore [16:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe, cbm... [16:29] <ProngsPatronus> so he has guilt for it--that uncertainty is worse than dealing with the other [16:29] <cbm> adventure [16:29] <Narya> I don't see any guilt in DD, and I don't think he was responsible for Ariana's death - but it certainly hit him very hard - I also see very little fear in DD, but fear for his family probably drove him after the tragedy of Ariana [16:30] <JaneMarple9> poor albus had a awful lot to regret [16:30] <fawkes28> i think he sees her because he fears beyond anything that it was him who killed her [16:30] *** Rudius has quit [Bye] [16:30] <Evreka> I thought his Boggart would have been Harry dead and CVoldemort alive [16:30] <JaneMarple9> exactly fawkes [16:30] <cbm> I agree evreka [16:31] <JaneMarple9> nah i didn't think it would have been connected with harry [16:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too, Evreka [16:31] <MrMcGonagall> Asked about changes in the Hogwarts Houses for the next generation, Rowling revealed, "Slytherin has become diluted. It is no longer the pureblood bastion it once was. Nevertheless, its dark reputation lingers, hence Albus Potter's fears." Had you hoped for more dramatic change? Is this appropriate progress? [16:31] <Narya> DD's boggart also symbolises the death of an innocent - that's quite a striking image [16:31] <fawkes28> hmmm, it is interesting that it never changed to voldemort killing Harry [16:31] <Aislinn> I think it is a realistic view [16:31] <jaimedanser> I hadn't hoped for a more dramatic change, actually [16:31] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Slytherin was a pureblood bastion even when Harry was there [16:31] <jaimedanser> I think she did it realistically [16:31] <fawkes28> nicely said, Aislinn [16:31] <cbm> I think that change is generation, maybe in 19 more years it will be better still [16:31] <beatlette> i dont think the views could've changed in just 19 years [16:31] <JaneMarple9> alytherin has got a bad name [16:31] <Aislinn> It would have been false to expect things to completely change [16:31] <Evreka> I think you can't take away the reputation without rewriting history [16:32] <Aislinn> it takes times for attitudes, beliefs, and prejudices to be modified [16:32] <kneazlegirl> Any progress is good after 1000 years of the same thing. [16:32] <Evreka> So many dark wizards DID go there [16:32] <Narya> I don't think Slytherin's reputation would ever change very much - it was the home of "warped wizards", so progress would be very slow - probably over at least one generation, if not two [16:32] <bangfrog> I think she is saying you don't just kill prejudice overnight [16:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's thousands of years of thought.... exactly kneazlegirl [16:32] <fawkes28> perhaps the sorting hat started putting more people with half blood status in the slytherin house [16:32] <JaneMarple9> the house will always been assosiated with voldemort etc [16:32] <bibs> you cant wipe out the past but you can make a better future [16:32] <Expelliarmas> But Hogwarts could have changed more, like delaying the sorting for 2 years so students got to know each other better before being sorted [16:32] <jaimedanser> fawkes--perhaps [16:32] <fawkes28> yes, bangfrog [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> I think that it took a millenium for that prejudice to become entrenched--and it will take more than 19 years for it to go away [16:32] *** ascellaskat has joined #lounge [16:32] <Aislinn> that's a good point, expie [16:32] <MrMcGonagall> Slytherin House will always have its weaknesses, and it wouldn't be Slytherin House without them [16:32] <JaneMarple9> slytherin was probably on the way to changing for the better - the house that is [16:33] <Expelliarmas> Even DD said he thought they sorted too soon [16:33] <bibs> al houses have weaknesses [16:33] <Evreka> I can see how there were less pure bloods comming [16:33] <jaimedanser> MrM--that's a good point [16:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but then it might have been a matter of choosing between a friend who was sorted in one house versus another friend in another house, Expie... what if Harry had to choose between a Ravenclaw Hermione and a Gryffindor Ron in his 3rd year? [16:33] <jaimedanser> all of the houses have their weaknesses, so Slytherin wasn't gonna become perfect [16:33] <Evreka> I mean lots of purebloods died in Voldemorts wars on both sides [16:33] <kneazlegirl> It's JKR, though, so I doubt Slytherin will ever be accepted or not be the "evil house". [16:33] <Narya> I think Slytherin would have a better chance of shaking off some of its prejudices with more amenable members and professors - Slughorn, for instance [16:33] <Expelliarmas> better to choose on the basis of a friendship than on the basis of blood status [16:33] <cbm> I think Snake did much to cement the reputation of the house [16:34] <jaimedanser> Expell--yes biggrin [16:34] <fawkes28> and by keeping the houses separate, naturally there will be rivalries [16:34] <ProngsPatronus> I think that those things go in cycles--if there were a Dark Lord from Hufflepuff, then it would change [16:34] <bibs> lol [16:34] <cbm> Snape not snake [16:34] <Evreka> but with no houses there would still be rivalry [16:34] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [16:34] <jaimedanser> Prongs--a Hufflepuff dark lord???Gosh, don't say that to Sue!!! [16:34] <Evreka> ok at any existing true school [16:34] <Expelliarmas> hahahaha, a DL Huffie [16:34] <fawkes28> lol cbm [16:34] <mollywobbles23> hello [16:34] <Evreka> *look at [16:34] <bibs> its against the church of sue [16:34] <jaimedanser> Hi molly biggrin [16:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i gotta go folks! Awesome chatting, even if only for a bit! [16:34] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [16:34] <kneazlegirl> John Noe would say that Helga Hufflepuff was already a dark lord [16:34] <Narya> Inter-house rivalry is only to be expected, though - and it's healthy so long as it doesn't go too far [16:35] <mollywobbles23> smile [16:35] <fawkes28> bye chocolate [16:35] <bibs> lol [16:35] <Aislinn> bye chocolate [16:35] <bibs> bye [16:35] <jaimedanser> by choco [16:35] <Evreka> bye [16:35] <fawkes28> exactly, Narya [16:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> come on, fawkes.... i thought you were gonna say it.... [16:35] <bangfrog> e2how else does anyone care about quidditch smile [16:35] <Expelliarmas> bye cinfb [16:35] <MrMcGonagall> When asked, Rowling shared that Harry had not given any of his children the Marauder's Map, but that "James sneaked it out of his father's desk one day." Do you suppose Harry knew? Who else might know about the Map in that generation? Would Harry warn the current Headmaster? [16:35] <Ringo2000> uh-oh I got to go too [16:35] <Ringo2000> Bye! [16:35] <fawkes28> it is for breakfast wink [16:35] <Ringo2000> Cya - Great chat smile [16:35] <Aislinn> bye [16:35] <kneazlegirl> Bye! [16:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe!! bye! [16:35] <Ringo2000> Byee! [16:35] <bibs> bye [16:35] <jaimedanser> well, I think that Harry would notice the map was gone rolleyes [16:35] <mollywobbles23> no, I don't think Harry would warn the current Headmaster [16:35] <Evreka> No he'd never warn a Headmaster for his kids [16:35] <Ringo2000> bye [16:35] <cbm> I think Harry knew and would not be surprised if he put it there on purpose [16:35] <Narya> I think Harry knew full well that James took it, and I don't think he'd warn anyone at the school [16:35] <JaneMarple9> i am sure he noticed [16:36] <Snitch2006> no, i don't think he'd tell the headmaster. [16:36] <mollywobbles23> He may ask Neville to keep a lookout, though [16:36] <bangfrog> can't see him telling the headmaster though.. perhaps have a bit of a chuckle with Ginny [16:36] <kneazlegirl> I'm sure Harry didn't try to hide it too well. [16:36] <bibs> boys will be boys [16:36] <fawkes28> nah, it is just harmless fun unless there is a psychopath on the loose [16:36] <mollywobbles23> just to make sure they didn't do anything dangerous [16:36] <jaimedanser> he might talk to James about how to use it... [16:36] <bangfrog> he's always had a certain disregard for rules [16:36] <JaneMarple9> he probablt found it amusing - being like his grandfather [16:36] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [16:36] <Aislinn> if it was ok for him to use it, then he shouldn't complain if a son of his does [16:36] *** Ringo2000 left #lounge [Leaving] [16:36] <Evreka> I can see James II - mini twin being "right" to get the map [16:36] <jaimedanser> but I doubt he'd tell anyone at the school [16:36] <Aislinn> that's true bangfrog [16:36] <jaimedanser> Though I think Hagrid may have known about it? [16:36] <JaneMarple9> ((((Mollywobbles))))) when did you sneak in? smile [16:36] <cbm> I am sure that james has heard enough stories that he already knew how to use it [16:36] <mollywobbles23> couple of minutes ago smile [16:36] <Snitch2006> i bet Harry missed the map, though. He could sneak a peek at his kids at school [16:36] <Evreka> but I got the feeling little Albus is more like his father and perhaps, therefore more considerate to others [16:37] <JaneMarple9> yes snitch [16:37] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Snitch, that's what I was thinking [16:37] <fawkes28> that is truw, snitch [16:37] <JaneMarple9> thats a idea [16:37] <jaimedanser> Yep, Snitch, that's a good point [16:37] <jaimedanser> biggrin [16:37] <ProngsPatronus> I think he appreciated the enterprise of James the Younger--after all, he had it himself [16:37] <fawkes28> i am sure he would want his kids to have as much fun as he did though [16:37] <JaneMarple9> oh yes, albus is a lot like harry [16:37] <Snitch2006> i'd be tempted to sneak a peek. Where are they at? What class are they in, etc.? [16:37] <JaneMarple9> but less reckless [16:37] <Evreka> liol Snitch that makes sense [16:37] <jaimedanser> Yea, I think Albus is more like Harry than James [16:37] <Evreka> Accio Map? anyone [16:37] <bibs> james is james [16:37] <fawkes28> the map is only one tool - having the invisibility cloak makes all the difference [16:37] <Narya> Albus has a lot of Harry, but also of Lily, since Harry grew to be more like her [16:38] <JaneMarple9> probably harry told neville - keep a eye on james for me! [16:38] <jaimedanser> fawkes--yes, that's true [16:38] <beatlette> hehe i agree jane [16:38] <Evreka> oooh out of bed at this time!?! [16:38] <jaimedanser> but the twins didn't have a cloak and they managed! [16:38] <fawkes28> i think James got some of fred and george's genes [16:38] <Snitch2006> LOL [16:38] <JaneMarple9> definately fawkes [16:38] <mollywobbles23> hmm...it's kinda sentimental that little James gets back the map that his namesake helped to create [16:38] <jaimedanser> yea, so do I biggrin [16:38] <kneazlegirl> I wonder how many of the secret passages survived the Battle of Hogwarts. [16:38] <bibs> lol [16:38] <ascellaskat> i agree fawkes [16:38] <cbm> Ginny does take after them, so that makes sense [16:38] <ProngsPatronus> I doubt many of them did [16:38] <fawkes28> i am sure new ones would be made [16:39] <JaneMarple9> not a doubt of it - living up to his uncles (except for uncle percy!) [16:39] <jaimedanser> probably, fawkes [16:39] <ascellaskat> lol [16:39] <kneazlegirl> I wonder what James2 would find if he went through the tunnel to the shrieking shack. [16:39] <JaneMarple9> i don't think there will be many secret passages left [16:39] *** Expelliarmas left #lounge [] [16:39] <Evreka> an empty house ? [16:39] <jaimedanser> Kneazle--erm...an old house [16:39] <bibs> *james passes neville a watering can* "ten points to gryrendor!" [16:39] <jaimedanser> that's all it is, really [16:39] <JaneMarple9> except for that one into honeydukes ...... yum!! [16:39] <Evreka> lol bibs [16:39] <jaimedanser> bibs--Haha! laugh [16:40] <kneazlegirl> I would think they might put a memorial to Snape. [16:40] <Snitch2006> where do you think they buried snape? [16:40] <MrMcGonagall> Rowling tells us that Petunia, "trembled on the verge of wishing Harry luck; … almost acknowledged that her loathing of his world, and of him, was born out of jealousy. But she couldn't do it; years of pretending that 'normal' was best had hardened her too much." Understandable? Disappointing? [16:40] <Evreka> but not in the Schack? [16:40] <JaneMarple9> i think snape's portrait would be in slytherin common room [16:40] <JaneMarple9> i was really disappointed [16:40] <beatlette> i found it more disappointing [16:40] <mollywobbles23> understandable [16:40] <jaimedanser> Both, I thinkl [16:40] <Evreka> Disappointing and infuriating [16:40] <beatlette> even dudley was able to be decent [16:40] <JaneMarple9> i wanted soooooooooooooo much from petunia [16:40] <jaimedanser> but more disappointing than understanding [16:41] <Snitch2006> I was disappointed in Petunia. She couldn't get over herself and her petty jealousy. [16:41] <jaimedanser> I was expecting Petunia, not Dudley [16:41] <mollywobbles23> It would've been too much of a sudden turnaround. Dudley was still young and Harry had saved his life [16:41] <JaneMarple9> i knew vernon would never change [16:41] <Narya> I thought Petunia's reaction was disappointing, but entirely predictable - her heart wasn't big enough to change [16:41] <ascellaskat> i think its understandable after years with vernon [16:41] <Aislinn> it was so disappointing [16:41] <Snitch2006> she could have told Harry so much. [16:41] <Evreka> If nothing else he DID save her beloved duddykins life and she can't even ask him luck? [16:41] <jaimedanser> I wonder if Petunia ever talked to Harry after the war was over? [16:41] <Aislinn> I really thought she would finally open up, if even a tiny bit [16:41] <JaneMarple9> but i wanted petunia to make her peace with harry [16:41] <ProngsPatronus> ah well--she always had a heart three sizes too small--I expected it of her [16:41] <Evreka> *wish him [16:41] <cbm> I was not disappoint because I never expected anything out of petunia [16:41] <mollywobbles23> I think maybe in her heart she felt it, but she just couldn't say it yet [16:41] <JaneMarple9> i think the only dursley harry kept in touch with was dudley [16:41] <kneazlegirl> Dudley was the one who got a chance to change, not Petunia. [16:41] <mollywobbles23> That's a fanfiction right there ;) [16:41] <Narya> I thought there was a glimmer of hope for her in OotP, but that vanished pretty quickly [16:42] <jaimedanser> Narya--yea, I thought that too [16:42] <fawkes28> when she didnt open up, i was so sure Harry was going to get to see them again later - she didnt tell us anything [16:42] <Evreka> I kind of hope Harry and Dudley communicated again [16:42] <MrMcGonagall> This was disappointing. I didn't expect her to change, but as Jane said, I thought she'd make her peace with Harry. [16:42] <bibs> hey dud! [16:42] <Aislinn> I think her crying on Dudders was in part regret that she couldn't act as he was, or reconcile with lily the way dudders was trying to start with harry [16:42] <JaneMarple9> dudley was a great change in deathly hallows [16:42] <bibs> hows it going [16:42] <ProngsPatronus> I doubt he ever saw any of them again [16:42] <cbm> I would expect him to find Dudley one day [16:42] *** etnutter has joined #lounge [16:42] <JaneMarple9> i was happy dudders developed a backbone and he actually accepted harry [16:43] <mollywobbles23> I hope he saw them again [16:43] <fawkes28> she was a bit silly when dudley said those things he did [16:43] <jaimedanser> I liked how Dudley changed =D I hope that Harry kept in touch with him some how [16:43] <JaneMarple9> me to jaime [16:43] <Evreka> yeah very possible but I would LIKE for Harry and Dudley to send anhallo every other year or so [16:43] <bibs> uncle dudley! [16:43] <kneazlegirl> It was good to see that Dudley actually improved somewhat. [16:43] <mollywobbles23> I had been hoping for a reconciliation since book 1 [16:43] <etnutter> Hello lounge.............long time no.... [16:43] <ProngsPatronus> hey, enutter [16:43] <jaimedanser> I think they probably exchanged Christmas presents still, at least [16:43] <Evreka> Best revenge in my opinion: I'd love for Dudley to marry a witch or get a muggle born wiz kid!!! [16:43] <mollywobbles23> I wonder if part of Dudley's turnaround was what Dumbledore said to them about how they raised him in HBP? [16:43] <jaimedanser> but I hope they did more [16:43] <etnutter> I was hoping A Dursley would die.... [16:43] <Narya> I think too much had happened to Harry for him to keep in touch with Dudley, which is a pity for Dudley [16:44] <ProngsPatronus> a piece of tissue... [16:44] <kneazlegirl> Oh, definitely, Evereka [16:44] <bangfrog> christmas presents? like used tissues [16:44] <etnutter> They keep in touch.....people seek to make peace with their pasts [16:44] <jaimedanser> I remember thinking a perfect end to DH would be Harry seeing Dudley leading a girl through the barrier to Platfrom 9 and 3/4 [16:44] <etnutter> Never friends but annual contactings i think [16:44] <jaimedanser> how sweet biggrin [16:44] <Evreka> yay jamie [16:44] <Snitch2006> maybe they send a yearly christmas card. i hope so [16:44] <cbm> tissues for vernon and petunia, and something nice for dudley would be good [16:44] <etnutter> I think so... [16:45] <ginginkat> I like to think Dudley saved Harry's possessions and returning them to him when the war was over. [16:45] <mollywobbles23> hmmm...I may have to write that fanfic, jaimedanser [16:45] <kneazlegirl> More interesting fanfic material. [16:45] <etnutter> Probably Halloween to keep the Dursleys' rattled [16:45] <jaimedanser> molly--Hey! I wanted to write it! [16:45] <bibs> lol [16:45] <mollywobbles23> okay smile [16:45] <jaimedanser> lol, but you can if you want [16:45] <mollywobbles23> lol [16:45] <Evreka> that would have been great gingin [16:45] <mollywobbles23> I'm still working on a Ron in DH one [16:45] <futureweasley> I don't like fanfic [16:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [16:45] <jaimedanser> Yay! Another good chat biggrin [16:46] <kneazlegirl> That went by fast. [16:46] <etnutter> I always come late [16:46] <Evreka> too fast [16:46] <cbm> it was fun! I have missed them [16:46] <MrMcGonagall> A question from Leaky lead to Rowing admit, "I always wondered why nobody ever asked me what Dumbledore's wand was made of! I couldn't say because it would have sign-posted just how significant that wand would become!" How might knowing the wands' composition have given away secrets? [16:46] <bibs> im writing a story can any one tell me a nice place in wales [16:46] <Evreka> I could discuss the ending much longer smile [16:46] <kneazlegirl> Do we even know what the core was? [16:46] <jaimedanser> Hmm... [16:46] <Aislinn> I don't know that it would have given anything away to me! [16:46] <Evreka> Well... I guess it depends on what she'd said [16:46] <jaimedanser> Maybe the being made of elder would've given something away? [16:46] <jaimedanser> i dunno... [16:46] <Narya> Wands have been significant throughout the series - DD's was no different [16:47] <beatlette> knowing me, she would say something about DD's wand and i'd still be stumped [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> well, if it were made of elder, it would have given things away [16:47] <Evreka> Maybe she would have said it is unknown or can't answer sorry [16:47] <Snitch2006> me, too beatlette [16:47] <Narya> Celtic lore for the wand woods [16:47] <Evreka> I have a feeling noone knows what it's made of [16:47] <jaimedanser> beatlette-me too! wink [16:47] <MrMcGonagall> there's probably some folklore or legend about wands made from elder trees. [16:47] <bibs> if i read about the elder wand and new that dds wand was elder i would have clicked on earlier [16:47] <cbm> if you knew about the legends of elderwood, it would have told you it was important. and if we knew that was the material it was made of, the fandom would have had it researced in a day [16:47] <fawkes28> just look at how much we analyzed Hallows - we found out a lot of information so I have no doubts people would have figured it out [16:47] <kneazlegirl> "Elder wood, with a core of a bit of Death's robe" [16:47] <bibs> lol [16:48] <Snitch2006> my husband actually bought me DD's wand a year ago. [16:48] <kneazlegirl> That would have given too much away. [16:48] <Snitch2006> Can't say it helped me much. LOL [16:48] <JaneMarple9> i never thought about dumbledores wand [16:48] <mollywobbles23> me either, Jane [16:48] *** etnutter has quit [Bye] [16:48] <Evreka> lol kneazlegirl [16:48] <Snitch2006> but...the hallows are on it [16:48] <bibs> oh my god [16:48] <jaimedanser> I didn't either, Jane [16:48] <JaneMarple9> it was a shame that his core wasn't a phoenix's feather [16:48] <Evreka> lol Snitch [16:48] <MrMcGonagall> I had wondered vaguely about Dd's wand, but it didn't seem particularly important. [16:48] <mollywobbles23> what was his core? [16:49] <MrMcGonagall> This was one of those unguessable sorts of things. [16:49] <fawkes28> i think it wasnt phoenix feather because DD admits that Harry is a better man than him [16:49] <Evreka> we have no idea [16:49] <JaneMarple9> i don't think no-onr knoes [16:49] <ascellaskat> it really never crossed my mind that information would be important [16:49] <kneazlegirl> I don't think I ever wondered about it-- but I should have. [16:49] <Narya> Imagine if we had known what month DD was born in, together with the wood and the core - we could have pieced together so much [16:49] <MrMcGonagall> If the tale of the Bard was true, it doesn't sound like it had a core. Death himself fashioned it. [16:49] <JaneMarple9> when was dumbledore born? [16:49] <jaimedanser> MrM--that's true.... [16:50] <Narya> We don't know, Jane - all we know is that he was around 150 years old [16:50] <JaneMarple9> is elder wand a "december" wood? [16:50] <Evreka> Albus doubt it was made by death though [16:50] <kneazlegirl> Maybe no one knew what the core was, since they couldn't exactly open it up. [16:50] <Narya> Elder wood symbolises December, yes [16:50] <Evreka> lol kneazle [16:50] <jaimedanser> Kneazle--true. That would destroy the wand [16:50] <fawkes28> i think so, Jane [16:50] <jaimedanser> laugh [16:50] <kneazlegirl> It was probably something unusual that they only used in ancient times. [16:50] <JaneMarple9> i would have thought ollivander would had made it [16:50] <cbm> I wonder what happened when he entered the ministry [16:50] <ginginkat> I didn't think too much about DD's wand because he did a lot of magic without it. [16:50] <cbm> and they did the wand check [16:50] <jaimedanser> cbm---oooh, good question!!! [16:50] <MrMcGonagall> Nah, it was probably just one of the Peverell Bros. who made it, but Jo liked the legend. [16:50] <JaneMarple9> harry could have asked ollivander what the core was [16:51] <Narya> That's a very good point, cbm [16:51] <kneazlegirl> DD might have carried around a spare to use in public. [16:51] <cbm> elder and x, in use 1200 years [16:51] <Evreka> Oh! NOW I understand your question cbm!! VERY good one indeed [16:51] <Snitch2006> lol, cbm [16:51] <bibs> lol [16:52] <Evreka> Perhaps they never checked Dumbledores wand? [16:52] <ginginkat> good one, cbm [16:52] <cbm> Or he gave them the original [16:52] <jaimedanser> yea, they might not have checked it [16:52] <Evreka> lol kneazle [16:52] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, the one he must have used a t Hogwarts. [16:52] <MrMcGonagall> Or he just plain confunded Eric. [16:52] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [16:52] <jaimedanser> Maybe he knew how to get in without using the visitors entrance [16:52] <bibs> help [16:52] <jaimedanser> I mean, he's Dumbledore [16:52] <jaimedanser> wink [16:52] <Evreka> help? [16:53] <JaneMarple9> used the toilets laugh [16:53] <bibs> im lost [16:53] <Evreka> LOL [16:53] <Snitch2006> flushed himself in [16:53] <cbm> lol [16:53] <JaneMarple9> exactly smile [16:53] <jaimedanser> Snitch-- laugh [16:53] <MrMcGonagall> Rowing assures us Kingsley would have stopped using dementors in Azkaban, as that "was always a mark of the underlying corruption of the Ministry." Dementors do not have souls, "that's what makes them frightening." Whatever will the Dementors do now? To whom might they be attracted? [16:53] <kneazlegirl> If you can get into Gringotts with confundus and imperius, you can definitely get into the Ministry. [16:53] <Evreka> The remaining giants? [16:54] <JaneMarple9> i don't want to know where the dementors are now! [16:54] <jaimedanser> Hmm...maybe they'll die out? [16:54] <fawkes28> there are some evils that you can never get out of the world [16:54] <jaimedanser> I hope!!!! [16:54] <cbm> I hope they are off somewhere with no humans around, maybe they will fade out [16:54] <JaneMarple9> are they controlling the weather? smile [16:54] <Evreka> I do - so I don't go there! laugh [16:54] <Narya> I think the Dementors probably just melt away ... they feed on despair, and the wizarding world is at peace now that LV is gone [16:54] <Aislinn> very true fawkes [16:54] <fawkes28> i bet kingsley found somewhere to put them so that they wouldn't harm anyone [16:54] <bibs> i had a dark shaddow over my bed last night and i thought it was a dementor [16:54] <mollywobbles23> bye all smile I hope I can be here for the entire chat next time [16:54] <kneazlegirl> The dementors probably dispersed, I doubt they can do as much damage when there's only one or two in a large area. [16:55] *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [16:55] <Evreka> I don't think they'd die out completely but they might be less of them [16:55] <JaneMarple9> maybe send them to a desert island and let them get on with dying! [16:55] <MrMcGonagall> If they're attracted to happiness in order to feed off it and suck it away, they probably hang out at amusement parks. [16:55] <ginginkat> Disneyland - the happiest place on earth -- Dementors death [16:55] <bibs> then i thought why would a dementor be in my bedroom [16:55] <jaimedanser> bibs-- wink I hate when I do that [16:55] <kneazlegirl> If anyone read His Dark Materials, they're kind of like the Specters-- you can't get rid of them. [16:55] <jaimedanser> ginginkat--Haha!!! That'd be a good place to put them all laugh [16:55] <Narya> *Narya is wondering just what kind of mind Mr McG has* [16:55] <bibs> then i reminded my self dementors arent real [16:55] <fawkes28> lol ginginkat [16:56] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [16:56] <Evreka> lol bibs [16:56] <MrMcGonagall> Mind? I have a mind? [16:56] <kneazlegirl> Dementors at Disney World... what a horrible thought. [16:56] <jaimedanser> I feel for you, bibs. I've done that before [16:56] <MrMcGonagall> LOL [16:56] <Narya> You said it, Mr McG [16:56] <MrMcGonagall> Asked what "toadface Umbridge" is doing "now," Rowling: replied, "Glad to see you like her as much as I do! She was arrested, interrogated and imprisoned for crimes against Muggleborns" How do you think that went? [16:56] <Evreka> ugh [16:56] <bibs> we can all be weirdos together [16:57] <fawkes28> oh, i am sure she put up a fight [16:57] <JaneMarple9> best place for her [16:57] <Evreka> YAY! :woot: [16:57] <beatlette> I think justice was served [16:57] <bibs> all have blonde moments [16:57] <jaimedanser> I loved that comment! I was like, Haha, take THAT, Umbridge!!! [16:57] <ascellaskat> umbridge is finally getting what she deserves smile [16:57] <Snitch2006> I'm sure she "hem hemmed" all the way [16:57] <fawkes28> all they had to do was show her a few centuars to shut her up [16:57] <Aislinn> I hope it was horribly humiliating and painful for toadface [16:57] <kneazlegirl> She probably "hem hem"-- [16:57] <jaimedanser> toadlady in prison!!! Good image [16:57] <kneazlegirl> Snitch, you read my mind. [16:57] <futureweasley> with any luck, it went as well as when the centaurs took her into the forbidden forest [16:57] <JaneMarple9> i think it was a brilliant twist, umbridge having the locket [16:57] <Evreka> She had that one comming to her - I hope she's there for life [16:57] <Snitch2006> Yep, kneazle! [16:57] <Narya> I think Umbridge deserved her sentence, and I'm sure that Kingsley would make sure that she served it in its entirety [16:57] <bibs> whoooooooo hooooooooooooo! [16:57] <JaneMarple9> i never expected that in a million years [16:57] <kneazlegirl> They should also make her write some lines with her "special" quill. [16:57] <jaimedanser> Narya--yes, he would've. I love Kingsley [16:58] <bibs> "oh my god you look like a frog" [16:58] <MrMcGonagall> At least she had her fake locket to keep her company. Umbridge cuddling up with her Precious. [16:58] <Aislinn> and wootywoohoowahey for her sentence! [16:58] <jaimedanser> kneazle--good idea!!! [16:58] <bibs> i love kingsley too [16:58] <JaneMarple9> either azkaban or looking after centaurs! [16:58] <fawkes28> she definitely deserved everything that she got [16:58] <Narya> Gross imagery, Mr McG [16:58] <Snitch2006> i vote for centaurs [16:58] <fawkes28> no knightbus in her sentence either, Mr. M [16:58] <Evreka> Azkaban [16:58] <bibs> centours rock [16:58] <Evreka> in a padded cell [16:58] <jaimedanser> goodness, Mr. M. Weird image [16:58] <MrMcGonagall> We'll change that when I get to be Minister of Magic fawkes. [16:58] <bibs> askaban gaurded by cntours [16:58] <jaimedanser> Maybe they put centaurs outside her cell [16:58] <jaimedanser> to scare her [16:59] <fawkes28> Kingsley does justice well [16:59] <kneazlegirl> They could make an exception to the "no more dementors" rule for her. [16:59] <Evreka> lol jaime [16:59] <JaneMarple9> yay! that would be perfect [16:59] <jaimedanser> wink [16:59] <fawkes28> lol - reminds Mr. M that he is a muggle [16:59] <kneazlegirl> Or centaurs, that would be even better. [16:59] <Evreka> no, that would make Kingsley corrupted [16:59] <futureweasley> I must go...great chat, and thanks everyone! [16:59] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [16:59] <fawkes28> bye future [16:59] <JaneMarple9> centaurs guarding her cell...with that clip-clop noise! [16:59] <bibs> bye [16:59] <Evreka> LOL Mr M and fawkes [16:59] <Narya> I don't agree with cruel punishments for Umbridge, but she definitely deserved to be punished and I'm sure her sentence was fair [16:59] <JaneMarple9> frighten her into insanity laugh [16:59] <beatlette> i was thinking the same thing jane [17:00] <jaimedanser> Jane--we think alike laugh [17:00] <Aislinn> It's been a great chat, thanks to everyone for coming! [17:00] <fawkes28> Well, our chat time is up. Thanks for coming! smile [17:00] <Narya> And witth that, I need to run - great chat, everyone - thanks! [17:00] <MrMcGonagall> Thanks, everyone! [17:00] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [17:00] <JaneMarple9> ((((boothers))))) [17:00] <jaimedanser> Aww, I could talk for another 2 hours! [17:00] *** beatlette has quit [Bye] [17:00] <bibs> group hug [17:00] <jaimedanser> *sighs* BYE!!! [17:00] <kneazlegirl> Aww. Bye, guys! [17:00] <jaimedanser> *group hug* [17:00] <JaneMarple9> great great great chat [17:00] *** Snitch2006 has quit [Bye] [17:00] <Evreka> This was a great chat thanks everyone [17:00] <bibs> bye [17:00] <ginginkat> bye [17:00] <Evreka> bye [17:00] <bibs> you all rock [17:00] <jaimedanser> see y'all on the Lounge! biggrin [17:00] *** ginginkat has quit [Bye] [17:00] <fawkes28> hug [17:00] <ascellaskat> bye everyone [17:00] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [17:00] <Aislinn> bye all smile [17:00] *** Evreka has quit [Bye] [17:00] <bibs> hug [17:01] <jaimedanser> hug [17:01] *** ascellaskat has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by fawkes28: Aug 19 2007, 04:29 PM -------------------- |
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