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The Seven Tasks in PS/SS, Foreshadowing for later books?
Emmaline
post Jan 4 2007, 12:01 AM
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I have been working on this theory for quite some time now. It may be so far out there or it might hit home, tell me what you guys think. I agree some of it is grasping at straws, but some of it fits too well not to work.

In PS/SS the trio have to pass through several challenges before getting to the stone. I have noticed an interesting thing about the order of them.

1. Fluffy; music and book #1: the trio find fluffy and he is standing on a trap door guarding the stone. they would have to go down through several obstacles before getting the stone. Earlier in the book, Harry and Hagrid have to go into Gringotts to fetch the stone and bring back to hogwarts. The stone is way down in the vaults where they have to go deep into london underground to get it. This is honestly the hardest one. I am having a bit of trouble with it. Hagrid takes care of fluffy, fluffy is a dog, dogs are loyal to the ones that take care of them. in this book we learn how loyal hagrid is to dumbledore because of how he has taken care of hagrid and stood up for him in the past. This loyal thread though is not the theme of the book, nor is it the challenge. Other than it is start of a great adventure that takes them to places they did not expect to go.

2. Devil's Snare, and book #2: Well first of all it is proffesor sprout's protection of the stone. It is hermionie that figures out what it is and how to save the boys. In the second book when everyone is becoming petrified by the snake, hermionie figures out that it is a baslisk and how it is getting around through the school, and why only harry can hear it. Professor Sprout saves those who have been petrified with her healthy crop of mandrakes that she has been growing.

3. Flying keys and book #3. Okay not as obvious as #2. If you think though that the keys are partially transfigured from one thing to something else, in book 3 we see that scabbers is really peter pettigrew transfigured into a rat, we find out sirius is also an animagus, and that james was as well. we also are introduced to the map, a key if you will, of hogwarts and its secret passages.

4. chess and book 4: we have the chess game where the trio must play the game to get across to the next task. In GOF we see harry competing in the Triwizard Tournament a game of sorts. in the end of the chess game, a fellow teammate is sacrificed (although ron does it willingly, cedric does not have a choice)

5. potions, logic OOTP: The potions were snape's way of defending the stone. In the 1st book, the trio think it is snape who is trying to steal the stone, and they are told several times that he is one of the teachers guarding the stone. Is he helping guard the stone to earn DD trust, or is he really good? We dont know. In OOTP, again the trio are not sure where his loyalities lie, so they must work out the puzzle and figure out why dumbledore trusts him to move on in their fight against dumbledore. In this level he loses hermionie because she goes and gets help for ron. In OOTP he loses sirius to the viel.

6: mirror of erised, HBP. In this task Harry is alone. He has no one else in the trio to help him since Hermionie went back to help ron. In the mirror harry sees himself getting what voldemort wants to keep him from regaining power. In HBP Harry is using memories to reflect and learn about Voldemort's past to help him find and understand where voldemort stored all the peices of his soul. He wants to find them, and keep voldemort from using them. (he who wanted to find the stone, and not use it......) In this level he loses quirrel (not that he was worth having anyway) and is left with just voldemort. In HBP well, we all know who is lost there, showing that the final task is between Harry and Voldemort.

7: Final confrontation with voldemort (on quirrel's head) and final confrontation with voldemort

I know this is long, and it needs work, but I wanted to know what you guys thought.


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post Jan 4 2007, 12:46 AM
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Hmmm... I think you're on the right track. Where did the mountain troll come in? The professor and the protection might both represent one of the books.

There are lots of places in the books where there are lists of seven items that can be applied, sometimes awkwardly, to each book. My other favorite is the seven days of Aunt Marge in PoA. ;)
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post Jan 4 2007, 01:14 AM
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I've taken a look into this. I've never thought of it or seen it before.

In the third book, Harry wins the Quidditch Cup and also it is the first and only time he has completed a season, that could go along with the flying keys and the broomstick.

In the fourth book, there is three tasks in the Triwizard tournament. In the chess game, there was only three movements in the chess game. Also, this task is Ron's task, Harry is not in control. Could this symbolize Crouch Jr's control of Harry in GoF?

The fifth obstacle was actually the troll that was knocked out. This would be Order of the Phoenix. Harry does not get to battle the troll, so he gets to simply bypass it and go to the next. This room could symbolize the Department of Mysteries, a connector between GoF (the rebirth of Voldemort) and HBP (understanding how to defeat Voldemort).

Now, the sixth obstacle, the potions. This one features a riddle. Tom Riddle? Book 6 is all about Tom Riddle. This is Snape's task. We also learn the truth about Snape in HBP.

The Mirror of Erised and confrontation with Voldemort, obstacle 7. Harry will have to use the power of Love and confront Voldemort again. Also, Harry is knocked out during this time. Foreshadowing death, maybe?


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post Jan 4 2007, 01:45 AM
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yes yes you are so right about the troll. I dont know how I forgot about it (I guess thinking without the book in front of me....)

I completly agree with you WASPS except for one small thing... I understood there to be more than three moves in the chess game. pg#282 PS "A white pawn had moved foward two squares. Ron started to direct the black pieces. They moved silently wherever he sent them." To me this says there were several moves we are not specifically told about. then Ron tells harry to move, Hermione takes the bishop, then it says " He himself darted around the board taking almost as many white pieces as they had lost black ones." Then Ron has himself taken, then Harry checkmates the king.

Other than that I agree with you all the way. Like I said, I noticed some similarities between the tasks and the books, I was just having trouble connecting them.

Wow, I think I have edited almost every post I have made. I just wanted to add that I think it is important that Harry is alone when he is with the mirror and Voldemort. I think it symbolizes that Harry needs/ can use help for so long, but in the end it must come down to just him and Voldemort.


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I completly agree with you WASPS except for one small thing... I understood there to be more than three moves in the chess game. pg#282 PS "A white pawn had moved foward two squares. Ron started to direct the black pieces. They moved silently wherever he sent them." To me this says there were several moves we are not specifically told about. then Ron tells harry to move, Hermione takes the bishop, then it says " He himself darted around the board taking almost as many white pieces as they had lost black ones." Then Ron has himself taken, then Harry checkmates the king.


Yes but these were the only moves that one of the Trio were involved in.

Also, when Hermione takes the bishop, that could be symbolizing Hermione's capture of Rita Skeeter.

Also, when Harry moves, the queen takes their knight, and they are all shocked at the brutal beating the knight gets. This could symbolize how Harry got a sneak peak of the Hungarian Horntail, it being the fiercest of all of the dragons, and then he knew what the consequences would be if he were to mess up. As happens with Ron later.


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post Jan 4 2007, 04:50 PM
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A good point with Hermionie and Rita.

A thought hit me today. Fluffy had three heads (duh emily), and he is protecting/guarding something (the stone). Well Harry, Ron and Hermionie operate as one unit often enough for them to be called the trio. The trio is trying to protect the stone from falling into VM hands in PS/SS. The trio being defenders/guards/protectors of keeping things out of VM's hands and path is a theme that runs through the books. The idea of fine, if you want it, you will have to go through us comes to mind.

That seems to strenghten the idea for task #1

What do you think? Has anyone else heard of this task theory before? it seems to obvious to be new.


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No, it's not new. But it always good to see how people interpret each task/professor in the light of the books. As I said, there are other groups of seven that are fun to look at as well. In CoS, Aunt Petunia gives Harry seven tasks to complete before the Masons arrive and in PoA, Harry endures seven days of Aunt Marge.

Here's another example from GoF.

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A large wooden trunk stood open at the foot of his bed, revealing a cauldron, broomstick, black robes, and assorted spellbooks. Rolls of parchment littered that part of his desk that was not taken up by the large, empty cage in which his snowy owl, Hedwig, usually perched.


The wooden trunk could be Harry's new life in a new school, a new world. The cauldron could be the potion to bring back the victims of the basilisk. Sirius sent Harry the firebolt in book three and the black robes could represent Voldemort in the graveyard in book 4. Assorted spellbooks could suggest all the studying, revising and preparation for the O.W.L.s in OotP, while the rolls of parchment littering his desk might be either the memories he viewed with Dumbledore or all the notes Dumbledore and Slughorn sent to Harry in HBP. Hedwig's empty cage would be book seven. Harry will be free. smile.gif



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No, it's not new. But it always good to see how people interpret each task/professor in the light of the books. As I said, there are other groups of seven that are fun to look at as well. In CoS, Aunt Petunia gives Harry seven tasks to complete before the Masons arrive and in PoA, Harry endures seven days of Aunt Marge.


Plus we have a whole month to talk about PS/SS so we might as well discuss something!

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A thought hit me today. Fluffy had three heads (duh emily), and he is protecting/guarding something (the stone). Well Harry, Ron and Hermionie operate as one unit often enough for them to be called the trio. The trio is trying to protect the stone from falling into VM hands in PS/SS. The trio being defenders/guards/protectors of keeping things out of VM's hands and path is a theme that runs through the books. The idea of fine, if you want it, you will have to go through us comes to mind.


Yep, and that's exactly what happens in the first book. The trio decides that they will not let anyone take the stone, even though they have no idea what the stone is, or why he would want it. And he doesn't get past them. (:


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QUOTE(Emmaline @ Jan 4 2007, 04:01 PM) [snapback]1052377[/snapback]
3. Flying keys and book #3. Okay not as obvious as #2. If you think though that the keys are partially transfigured from one thing to something else, in book 3 we see that scabbers is really peter pettigrew transfigured into a rat, we find out sirius is also an animagus, and that james was as well. we also are introduced to the map, a key if you will, of hogwarts and its secret passages.


Yes, it is easy to see the analogy of the keys and the door task in Philosopher's stone matching the events of POA. Not only do all the items correlate as you say, but also the key event of POA was identifying the right traitor amidst all other suspects. And, strangely enough, it was the key with the damaged wing, just like Scabbers had a damaged paw.

Also, the teachers designing the tasks deserve a mention, too. Professor Sprout's devil's snare task parallels both the mandrakes in COS, used to revive the victims of the basilisk and the dangers of what happened in the Chamber of Secrets. Professor Flitwick's charms also were important in POA, even though it was Professor Lupin who taught Harry the Partronus charm.

QUOTE(Emmaline @ Jan 4 2007, 04:01 PM) [snapback]1052377[/snapback]
4. chess and book 4: we have the chess game where the trio must play the game to get across to the next task. In GOF we see harry competing in the Triwizard Tournament a game of sorts. in the end of the chess game, a fellow teammate is sacrificed (although ron does it willingly, cedric does not have a choice)]


Again the analogy of the chess game and GOF is hard to miss. But Ron seemed quite out of it in GOF, especially as Ron wasn't speaking to Harry for at least three chapters of that book. This was Professor McGonagall's transfiguration protection for the stone, and transfiguration was important in the Triwizard Cup challenges, especially the first two. Cedric transfigured a rock to look like a dog, and in the second task, Victor Krum partly transfigured himself as a shark. And of course the third task led to Voldemort's rebirthing. Summersky's idea of how the wooden trunk could be Harry's new life in a new school, a new world, is also echoed in the imprisonment of the real Moody in his own wooden trunk.

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The fifth obstacle was actually the troll that was knocked out. This would be Order of the Phoenix. Harry does not get to battle the troll, so he gets to simply bypass it and go to the next. This room could symbolize the Department of Mysteries, a connector between GoF (the rebirth of Voldemort) and HBP (understanding how to defeat Voldemort).


I have to agree with wasps in the above quote. The trolls, the defence put in place by Quirrell, himself, the DADA teacher, are echoed in a number of incidents. Firstly it was the DADA teacher, Umbridge, who caused the most trouble, secondly, the sleeping trolls parallel the weird LV - inspired dreams Harry was having, and thirdly, in OOP, trolls were the bottom grade in the OWLs examination. There were two trolls that Harry had to navigate around in the Philosopher Stone tasks, and Harry was later to fail two of the subjects he sat for: Divination and History of Magic. Lastly, the trolls stank, and in that book, Harry, on one hand, was decidedly on the nose where the Ministry of Magic was concerned, and on the other hand, Harry certainly kicked up a stink on quite a few occasions.

QUOTE(Emmaline @ Jan 4 2007, 04:01 PM) [snapback]1052377[/snapback]
5. potions, logic OOTP: The potions were snape's way of defending the stone. In the 1st book, the trio think it is snape who is trying to steal the stone, and they are told several times that he is one of the teachers guarding the stone. Is he helping guard the stone to earn DD trust, or is he really good? We dont know. In OOTP, again the trio are not sure where his loyalities lie, so they must work out the puzzle and figure out why dumbledore trusts him to move on in their fight against dumbledore. In this level he loses hermionie because she goes and gets help for ron. In OOTP he loses Sirius to the veil.


Here is where I have to disagree that potions would be the fifth task. Potions are too easy a fit with Half-blood Prince, including the fact it was Snape's potions protection for the Stone. HBP is all about Potions, potions, potions. Or mainly potions. Strangely, the clue in the sixth Philosopher's Stone task was a riddle of seven potions bottles which some have equated with the DADA position as in the essay at this link: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#scribbulus:essay:294

QUOTE(Emmaline @ Jan 4 2007, 04:01 PM) [snapback]1052377[/snapback]
6: mirror of erised, HBP. In this task Harry is alone. He has no one else in the trio to help him since Hermionie went back to help ron. In the mirror harry sees himself getting what voldemort wants to keep him from regaining power. In HBP Harry is using memories to reflect and learn about Voldemort's past to help him find and understand where voldemort stored all the pieces of his soul. He wants to find them, and keep voldemort from using them. (he who wanted to find the stone, and not use it......) In this level he loses quirrel (not that he was worth having anyway) and is left with just voldemort. In HBP well, we all know who is lost there, showing that the final task is between Harry and Voldemort.


I think the last task, the Mirror of Erised, might well reappear in the last book. The Mirror of Erised was Dumbledore's protection for the stone, and it was what he observed of Harry which mattered so much in how the Philosopher's Stone ended.


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I think the last task, the Mirror of Erised, might well reappear in the last book. The Mirror of Erised was Dumbledore's protection for the stone, and it was what he observed of Harry which mattered so much in how the Philosopher's Stone ended.


I'm not sure if the Mirror itself will appear, but it certainly hints that Harry's power that Voldemort cannot understand will be the key to defeating him.


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