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The Seven Tasks to find the Philosopher's stone, A fresh look
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A FRESH LOOK AT THE SEVEN TASKS TO REACH THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE

One of the more intriguing aspects of the Harry Potter series are the seven tasks to find the Philosopher's Stone. These tasks start with getting past Fluffy, going down a trapdoor to Devil's Snare, finding in a host of flying keys the right key to open a door, then taking part in a huge Chess game. Ron is knocked out by a rampaging Queen but Hermione and Harry escape, pass a troll even larger and smellier than the one they all saw on Halloween eve, and then have to solve the Potions riddle. It is Hermione who solves this puzzle then she goes back to tend to Ron and get help from Dumbledore.

Meanwhile, Harry proceeds to the next task where he finds Quirrell looking into the Mirror of Erised, attempting to get the Philosopher's Stone. Up to that point Harry had been expecting Snape, whom the trio suspected was the one who wanted to take the Stone. But Snape had been the one to formulate the Potions Riddle, whilst Quirrell, whose idea for guarding the stone was the troll, had been the DADA teacher that year, having previously been the Muggle Studies teacher. Hagrid was the owner of Fluffy, the three headed dog, whilst Professors Sprout, Flitwick and McGonagall had set the other three tasks.

Now that the series has finished, what similarities can be found between the Seven tasks and the Seven books? Is there a match between each task and a corresponding book in the series, including Deathly Hallows?

Although surviving tasks like Devil's Snare or the Flying keys seem dangerous enough, the main tasks include the Chess game with giant chess pieces. Would all these chess pieces, including the White King and Queen, resemble any of the main characters in the story? Another important task was Snape's potions task. Was there a correlation between the DADA teachers and each of the books on the one hand, and with the seven bottles of potion involved in the task, on the other hand?

Dumbledore set up the Mirror of Erised to protect the stone. The Mirror of Erised was his task. But wasn't he tellling porkies earlier in the year that he wanted socks?

How do the seven tasks reflect the ideas and personalities of the teachers who contributed to this task?
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While they have confidence in the spells, charms and critters they use, they also work as a team knowing that everyone is using their field of expertise to protect the stone. Professor Sprout and her plants, Hagrid and his critter, Professor Flitwick and his flying keys, Professor McGonagall and her Chess pieces - almost forshadowing a future battle.


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A FRESH LOOK AT THE SEVEN TASKS TO REACH THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE

One of the more intriguing aspects of the Harry Potter series are the seven tasks to find the Philosopher's Stone. These tasks start with getting past Fluffy, going down a trapdoor to Devil's Snare, finding in a host of flying keys the right key to open a door, then taking part in a huge Chess game. Ron is knocked out by a rampaging Queen but Hermione and Harry escape, pass a troll even larger and smellier than the one they all saw on Halloween eve, and then have to solve the Potions riddle. It is Hermione who solves this puzzle then she goes back to tend to Ron and get help from Dumbledore.

Meanwhile, Harry proceeds to the next task where he finds Quirrell looking into the Mirror of Erised, attempting to get the Philosopher's Stone. Up to that point Harry had been expecting Snape, whom the trio suspected was the one who wanted to take the Stone. But Snape had been the one to formulate the Potions Riddle, whilst Quirrell, whose idea for guarding the stone was the troll, had been the DADA teacher that year, having previously been the Muggle Studies teacher. Hagrid was the owner of Fluffy, the three headed dog, whilst Professors Sprout, Flitwick and McGonagall had set the other three tasks.

Although surviving tasks like Devil's Snare or the Flying keys seem dangerous enough, the main tasks include the Chess game with giant chess pieces. Would all these chess pieces, including the White King and Queen, resemble any of the main characters in the story? Another important task was Snape's potions task.


What fun questions! This thread got me thinking......I'm going to toss out a few late night ideas and thoughts to start the conversation......

My read was that each of the 7 tasks set out in PS/SS were actually life lessons that Harry had to learn throughout the series in order to finally defeat Voldemort.

1. The first task was getting past Hagrid's 3-headed dog Fluffy, who was soothed by music, to get to the trap door. I saw Hagrid's task as symbolic of taming the wildness (disorder/illogic) within, in order to get to the goal. This was a difficult process for Harry. He had to work the entire series to quell his hot-headedness and his passions in order to come to full maturation. Once he had tamed the disorder and his emotions - and learn the hard lessons of self control - he could successfully access his intellect and intuition to complete his goals.

2. The Devil's Snare grew in dank, dark conditions and ensnared the victim in its tenacles until they were unable to move. I saw the Snare as symbolic of ignorance, which binds people tightly to one position. (Think the Durselys). The Devil's Snare was tamed by light - lumos - which I saw as knoweldge. Harry had to move beyond his preconceived notions and open his mind in order to gain the knowledge which would bring him victory. (One example would be Harry's final revision of his view of Severus Snape and of Dumbledore, which allowed him to make the choices and decisions he made in DH).

3. The Flying Keys were set by Flitwick. Keys are usually the symbol of knowledge, which in this case was winging by just out of range. Harry, both as literal Seeker for the Quidditch team and symbolic "seeker of knoweldge", was able to use his new skills to capture the keys. This task pointed, I thought, to the necessity of knowledge and perpetual seeking of understanding. HArry was a perpetual seeker; he learned much about magic and even more about life lessons during the series, all of which had a role in his end game.

4. The Chess game was set by McGonagall. Ron played this game for Harry, enabling him to get to the next level. As we recall, Ron sacrificed himself to the White Queen in order for Harry to pass. This chess game was, I thought, symbolic of the "life chess game" set in motion by Voldemort to kill Harry and gain power. Voldemort was ultimately checkmated by Dumbledore's ability to save Harry and the wizarding world. Harry was placed on that "chess board" from the moment Voldemort heard the prophesy.

Ron was as necessary to Harry throughout the series as he was on the chessboard; he was Harry's guide to the wizarding world, its ways, its culture, and its darker side. Without Ron's friendship, Harry would surely have been adrift. I thought it interesting that Ron was taken out by the White Queen, who in alchemy is the archetypal feminine.....the cool, moist, receptive counter to his fiery Red King. The White Queen is also linked to the anima, the link to the emotions, intuition, and love. (Ron was indeed dumbfounded later in the series by Fleur, a White Queen figure, and Ron had his hardest lessons in maturation dealing with love and feelings - Hermione, in short - as we saw by the torture created for Ron by the locketcrux). Interestingly, when Harry was able in the end to defeat the White King (Dumbledore?), the White King takes off his crown and throws it at Harry's feet. I found this to be a fascinating presage to the King's Cross chapter in DH, where Dumbledore admits that Harry was the better man and was, unlike himself, the worthy master of the Hallows. There, certainly, Dumbledore "takes off his crown" once more to Harry.

5. The troll was set up by Quirrell. I thought the troll to be symbolic of base power. (No refinement there!) That went along with Quirrell's adopted philosophy that there was no good and evil, there is only power and those too weak to seek it. As we saw, Harry was never really tempted by power. In PS/SS, the troll was already knocked out - Harry didn't have to fight it - just like he never had to fight an attraction to power in life.

6. The potions were set by Severus and required the cool use of logic under fire. Now, if anything symbolised Severus' abilities, this task did. As a double agent for Dumbledore against Voldemort, Severus had to keep a cool head and iron self control at all times. The man embodied self discipline. Severus always remained calm and focused under the most intense of situations, as we saw over and over throughout the series. This task reflected the qualities which Harry would also need to untimately attain in order to completely defeat Voldemort. The advice Severus hurled at Harry at the end of HBP was foreshadowed in this task: Harry would need to learn to keep his mouth shut and his mind closed.....intelligence, not raw emotion, would serve him best. We see that final maturation in Harry in DH during his final battle with Voldemort. There is little raw emotion, just calm, cool purpose.

7. The Mirror of Erised. Set by Dumbledore, this task was about seeking, not obtaining. Harry had to want only to find the stone, not possess it. And how this foreshadows the lessons Harry had to learn in DH! There, Harry also had to seek, not only horcruxes but Hallows as well. To master death, Harry had to be pure of heart. In the end, Harry only used the Elder Wand at the very end to defeat Voldemort.....but he dismantled the 3 Hallows and insured that those seeking to obtain power over death (and power and dominance in the wizarding world) would be unable to do so. Harry started the series by doing the same in PS/SS - he kept Quirrell from obtaining power by keeping the philosopher's stone from him. Harry comes full circle from PS/SS to DH - Harry is always the seeker, never the dominator.

More later on the correlation between the DADA teacher and the seven books and the seven tasks.....


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fidelia, what an interesting take on the seven tasks! I haven't much time, so I'll only comment about the first task, to get plus Fluffy, and a couple of points you made.

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The first task was getting past Hagrid's 3-headed dog Fluffy, who was soothed by music, to get to the trap door. I saw Hagrid's task as symbolic of taming the wildness (disorder/illogic) within, in order to get to the goal. This was a difficult process for Harry. He had to work the entire series to quell his hot-headedness and his passions in order to come to full maturation. Once he had tamed the disorder and his emotions - and learn the hard lessons of self control - he could successfully access his intellect and intuition to complete his goals


It isn't the only time in the series that animals are used to denote excess or lack of self control. The Marauders were all able to turn into animals to break bounds and have fun. Peter Pettigrew lived twelve years as a rat. Rita Skeeter had bugging down to a fine art, whilst the contrast between Remus Lupin and Fenrir Greyback says heaps. There are also the similarities in POA between Harry losing his temper with Aunt Marge, Hermione slapping Draco and Buckbeak losing his temper with Draco's rude comment.

Animal nature is to be made allowances for but I guess you are right. It needs to be controlled in humans. Or Wizards.

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Interestingly, when Harry was able in the end to defeat the White King (Dumbledore?), the White King takes off his crown and throws it at Harry's feet. I found this to be a fascinating presage to the King's Cross chapter in DH, where Dumbledore admits that Harry was the better man and was, unlike himself, the worthy master of the Hallows. There, certainly, Dumbledore "takes off his crown" once more to Harry.


I never thought of the White King as being Dumbledore. ponder.gif. What about the 'Weasley is our King' song or LV, himself?



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QUOTE(WaggaWaggaWerewolf @ Oct 29 2007, 04:30 PM) *
It isn't the only time in the series that animals are used to denote excess or lack of self control. The Marauders were all able to turn into animals to break bounds and have fun. Peter Pettigrew lived twelve years as a rat. Rita Skeeter had bugging down to a fine art, whilst the contrast between Remus Lupin and Fenrir Greyback says heaps. There are also the similarities in POA between Harry losing his temper with Aunt Marge, Hermione slapping Draco and Buckbeak losing his temper with Draco's rude comment.

Animal nature is to be made allowances for but I guess you are right. It needs to be controlled in humans. Or Wizards.

I never thought of the White King as being Dumbledore. ponder.gif. What about the 'Weasley is our King' song or LV, himself?


Just a quick thought.....animals were also used to denote strong survival instincts. Sirius used his ability to turn into a dog to escape the insanity the dementors brought about in humans....so tapping into that strength was a life saver (literally). Peter used his rat form to save his own life when he escaped after blowing up 13 people (and having Sirius pay the price for his crime). And Fenrir used his transformation as a terrible kind of asset to him, allowing him to gain quite a lot of political power amongst the Death Eaters, instead of being hunted down as a type of mutant by those enamoured of "pure blood".

As far as Dumbledore goes...OK, who is he alchemically? I know the younger Dumbledore had auburn hair, and that would speak to Albus being a "Red King". But is he that in the series?


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QUOTE(fidelia @ yesterday, 5:27am)
As far as Dumbledore goes...OK, who is he alchemically? I know the younger Dumbledore had auburn hair, and that would speak to Albus being a "Red King". But is he that in the series?


I'm not sure about Dumbledore being the Red King alchemically. Though he might have been the Black King in the Fourth Task, the chess game, since the trio were opposing the White side. In that game Ron became a Black Knight, Harry was a Black Bishop and Hermione a Black Rook.

Not only the marauders changing into animals demonstrate strong survival instincts, though. In the series some of Hagrid's creatures also demonstrate various human characteristics which relate to basic instincts. The Blast-Ended Skrewts are almost a metaphor for competitiveness, whilst the nifflers, although cute, are acquisitive little treasure hunters. And Buckbeak, like any mistreated animal, lashes out when insulted.

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2. The Devil's Snare grew in dank, dark conditions and ensnared the victim in its tenacles until they were unable to move. I saw the Snare as symbolic of ignorance, which binds people tightly to one position. (Think the Dursleys). The Devil's Snare was tamed by light - lumos - which I saw as knowledge. Harry had to move beyond his preconceived notions and open his mind in order to gain the knowledge which would bring him victory. (One example would be Harry's final revision of his view of Severus Snape and of Dumbledore, which allowed him to make the choices and decisions he made in DH).


I think you are right in the analysis of the second task, though it is less clear than Fluffy. Hermione, usually the know-it-all, relaxed in the Devil's Snare, whilst Harry and Ron, in particular, struggled. Yet Xenophilus was to say later that Hermione had a closed mind, unable to see other possibilities. But Devil's Snare is also a good metaphor for prejudice and also lets us know that what we don't know can hurt us. In the second book, Harry suffered from prejudice because he accidently showed he could speak parseltongue.


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Interestingly, when Harry was able in the end to defeat the White King (Dumbledore?), the White King takes off his crown and throws it at Harry's feet. I found this to be a fascinating presage to the King's Cross chapter in DH, where Dumbledore admits that Harry was the better man and was, unlike himself, the worthy master of the Hallows. There, certainly, Dumbledore "takes off his crown" once more to Harry.


I never thought of the White King as being Dumbledore. ponder.gif. What about the 'Weasley is our King' song or LV, himself?


I saw the White King more as Lucius Malfoy, and this being some foreshadowing to the "championship" chess match. I see Dumbledore as a White Bishop who changes sides to become a Black Bishop (King's side), with Lucius "filling in" for Voldemort during his extended absence. It is through Ron's sacrifice (a pureblood "traitor") which exposes the King for Harry's checkmate as a bishop, mirroring/personifying Dumbledore's role on the board. In my interpretation, Harry doesn't become the Black King, until Snape hands over the reigns wink.gif to him, in one of the climaxes of HP7.


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Dumbledore could easily have protected the Stone much better: put the Stone in the Mirror of Erised and then just put the Mirror in storage or in the Room of Requirement.

There were only two people in the world who could have gotten the Stone out: DD and Harry. In order to get the Stone out, you needed two things: (1) to desire to have the Stone and (2) not desire to use it. DD and Harry are only two people (well, maybe Hermione) who fulfilled both requirements. So the Stone was perfectly safe in the Mirror. So DD could have put the Mirror in storage or even in plain sight and the Stone would be safe from LV.

What he should have done is put the Mirror in storage and left some other magical object in that last chamber so that Quirrell would waste his time getting past Fluffy and all the challenges and then fiddling with something that didn't have the Stone.

Also, notice that if Harry had not meddled, the Stone would have been perfectly safe. I know, I know — he had to meddle to have a story. I'm just saying the brilliant DD could have done a better job.
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Dumbledore could easily have protected the Stone much better: put the Stone in the Mirror of Erised and then just put the Mirror in storage or in the Room of Requirement.


Not really. I think Dumbledore was quite smart in his protection of the Philosopher's Stone. Putting the Mirror of Erised into storage would not have helped. In the next book the Vanishing cabinet is damaged, and four books later, Draco spends much of his time in the Room of Requirement AKA storage, to repair this item, to bring death eaters into the school.

By the time the series is over, we have learned that Voldemort used just your solution for the Diademcrux, and look what happened: A prat called Harry used the diademcrux to mark where he left his forbidden Half-blood Prince potions book. And when this 'prat' - from Voldie's point of view - made it his business to find out what it is, not only does the previously unnoticed Diademcrux get, well, noticed, but Crabbe loses his life.

I've merged your thread into this one, as it is a point about the Seven Tasks well worth discussion. How would you have stored the Philosopher's Stone? Why use a maze at all?



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How would you have stored the Philosopher's Stone? Why use a maze at all?


Well, one simple way I can think of is for DD to have carried it about in his pocket all the time. Voldemort shied away from an all out fight with DD even when he was powerful, and I don't think V/Quirrell would have had the nerve to attack DD to get at the Stone.

As for the second question, why the maze ? Hmmm....... for one, it added drama and adventure for the trio. Secondly, I think DD wanted to see Harry's ability to get past obstacles too. He would have to be good at those things if he had to face what lay in his future. Seeing that DD purposely gave Harry the cloak and the know-how about the mirror of Erised, I think the maze was indeed meant to attract V/Q as well as Harry. smile.gif


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