Timeline Of Hagrid, Tom Riddle, Lily, And James..., Someone please help me straighten this out... |
  Aug 14 2006, 12:56 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup  Posts: 22 Joined: 11:41am August 11, 2006 Location: In Hogsmeade...   |
Allow me to preface this by saying Hi...."HI!" This is my first post ever--and I apologize ahead of time for the 'thought process' writing format--just bear with me!!
 I am confused about when Hagrid, Tom Riddle, Lily, james, Sirius, Lupin, and Wormtail went to Hogwarts. In The Chamber of Secrets we see that Hagrid and Tom went to Hogwarts at the same time and during the previous opening of the chamber of secrets. Tom Riddle tells us that this was about 50 years ago. AND Draco says that his father knows info on when the chamber was opened before so maybe he was at school during the same time. Later in HBP we see that a Lestrange (I am guessing that it isn't Bellatrix since Slughorn sounds like he is talking to a male) and Rookwood and others were in the 'Slug Club' with Tom RIddle which means that they obviously went to Hogwarts during that time--but I do not remember if Malfoy was mentioned at all so was he a student then? If not when did he become a Death Eater without the influence of the 'Slug Club'? Moving on: Hagrid frequently speaks of Lily and James being some of the best people he ever knew--he talked about Lily's talent and James's as well. SO does this mean that Hagrid was a student then or was he already given the Job of grounds keeper already? Slughorn also speaks of Lily's talent which means that she had to have been a student at Hogwarts during his teaching career--so was she a student there during Tom Riddle's time or after? If she was--then this would make Harry's parents much older at the time of his birth--about 40 which seems unlikely. And if she was not at Hogwarts during Tom Riddle's time there than this automatically means that Snape was not at Hogwarts with Tom Riddle--so how did HE become a Death Eater without the early 'Slug Club?' (I know that whenever Lily and James went to school at Hogwarts--Sirius, Lupin, Wormtail, and Snape must also be in that time frame). This timeline has some other implications as well: If Snape went to Hogwarts years after Tom Riddle and during the Headmastership of Dumbledore...wouldn't DD be wary of repeating the Tom Riddle fiasco with Snape or maybe he didn't see a connection there or he really is that trusting and disregarded any misgivings about trusting Snape...he surely would have seen him as a student and his tendencies toward the dark arts. (On a side note: I do ultimately believe that Snape is a good guy in a very bad situation. After all DD is always right )I think that is all I have for now--I hope that it isn't to hard to follow my thought process! --------------------  |
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Aug 14 2006, 01:29 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 108 Joined: 12:25pm August 2, 2006 |
 Now without, factual information to back me up, but with the very context clues/contradictions you outline I think the following makes sense... - Tom and Hagrid were at school together almost 50 years ago, it is quite possible that Hagrid was a first year when Tom was a seventh-year or that half-giants age more slowly to account for the fact that Hagrid does not seem nearly so aged as 61 or older. - While some members of the Slug Club (Rookwood, for example) to which Riddle belonged become his first Death Eaters the Malfoys became later additions and Snape an addition even later than that, as he attended Hogwarts with James and Lily years after Riddle had graduated. Hagrid knows James and Lily because he was already gamekeeper or assistant gamekeeper. As for Snape eluding Dumbledore's influence to prevent a 'second Voldemort' we saw DD did precious little to put the first Dark Lord off his chosen path, such direct interference in the development of others seems beneath him. Whatever the case Snape and DD certainly have some reason for great loyalty to one another which could have begun when Snape was first at school, his eventually siding with the Death Eaters for a time need not have included his school years at all. Likewise as a brilliant wizard and accomplished occlumens he could've escaped DD's notice irregardless of timing. This post has been edited by Slythericious: Aug 14 2006, 01:30 PM |
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Aug 14 2006, 02:50 PM
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Kibble Boy/Girl at the Magical Menagerie Posts: 277 Joined: 1:24pm July 11, 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC |
The Lexicon has a great timeline that should be very helpful to you.
LV was born in 1926. He began Hogwarts in 1937 or 1938, since he was born at the end of the year (12/31) I'm not sure if he made the "cut-off". Anyway, James, Lily, Sirius, and Snape didn't graduate until 1977. Hadgrid knew Lily and James from their school years, by which time he was definitely the groundskeeper, and their work together in the Order. Malfoy is not as old as LV, but older than the Potters. |
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Aug 14 2006, 05:45 PM
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Exploding Snap Champion Posts: 1,729 Joined: 7:06pm February 28, 2005  |
Definitely look this up in the Lexicon. It is super easy to use and very clear.
Roughly... Tom Riddle and Hagrid were born around 1926. Lucius around 1953 James, Sirius, Remus, Peter, Severus and Lily around 1960. -------------------- "Albus Severus, you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever knew."
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Aug 14 2006, 10:34 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 239 Joined: 2:17am July 6, 2006 Location: The Buckeye State |
Also, Hagrid would have known Lily and James from the original Order of the Phoenix, if he didn't already know them from being groundskeeper during their school days. All three were in the photo Mad-Eye showed Harry at the beginning of OotP.
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If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill I will choose the path that's clear - I will choose Freewill Freewill - Rush |
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Aug 15 2006, 04:18 AM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 385 Joined: 2:37pm February 21, 2006 Location: Studying potions |
Hagrid was excluded from Hogwarts during his third year and AD persuaded the headmaster Dippet to let him become groundkeeper instead. Wich means that he became this at an age of fourteen. Tom/LV was two years older. Lucius Malfoy on the other hand are some years older than Snape, Lily and the Marauders, he was in his NEWT-years when the rest of them came to shool. Narcissa was born in 1955, and thus in between.
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Aug 15 2006, 09:52 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 22 Joined: 11:41am August 11, 2006 Location: In Hogsmeade... |
Thanks Everyone! This helps immensely
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