Trelawney's Predictions, Talent for telling the future other than the 2 prophecies |
 Apr 22 2006, 02:16 PM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 55 Joined: 2:08pm April 22, 2006  |
So I'm just wondering, other than the obvious prophecy she made about Harry and Voldemort and the other prediction of the Dark Lord rising. How many other of her little predictions come true.
I noticed this from reading PoA where she makes a bunch of small predictions at the beginning of her lessons which I think nearly if not all come true? Also, I'm reading HBP atm and when harry discovers trelawney outside the room of requirements she mentions the signs of the lightning struck tower which she has been predicting for dumbledore, I think there may also be a situation where she is reading Tarot cards where this also comes true. I'm just wondering whether you think that she has inherited the "inner-eye" and that she is more than a crazy old bat |
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Apr 22 2006, 02:25 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 115 Joined: 1:29pm December 11, 2005 |
i think there is definately more to her, i also noticed what she said to Harry in HBP, something about a dark young man not liking his questioner?? i thought this was interesting as it could refer to DD and Snape or Snape and Draco. She is definately more talented than we give her credit for.
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Apr 22 2006, 02:28 PM
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Spellotaping Monster Books of Monsters Posts: 2,505 Joined: 1:09am March 17, 2006 Location: in the dungeons with Professor Snape brewing some Calming Draught for the GREs and LSATs  |
Sometimes I feel that Trelawney is a big red-hearing. Harry thinks she is batty so we are supposed to think so. However, she has made too many predictions of Harry's death that are too close for comfort. I wonder if she was set-up to not be taken seriously so we would do exactly that-not listen to her and take her seriously. The predictions she does make come true, even if in a roundabout way. For instance, in PoA she said that someone in the class would leave them forever after Easter and that is when Hermione dropped the class.
Maybe she does truly have the inner-eye and does see things, but she either misreads it or she does not fully explain what she sees. Or maybe she is saying things correctly, but as the case with all prophets/seers, no one takes her seriously and listens. -------------------- Prophecy 2007
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Apr 22 2006, 02:43 PM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 55 Joined: 2:08pm April 22, 2006 |
ye, maybe her inner eye does get clowded occasionally
 When she said a dark young man did not like his questioner, i presumed she meant haryr, dno. |
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Apr 22 2006, 04:39 PM
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Knockturn Alley Fingernail Vendor Posts: 793 Joined: 10:44am September 2, 2005 Location: Buried under a mountain of homework |
I thought she meant Draco and Snape when she was talking about "a dark young man not liking the questioner, but I also think that we could interpret it in any way.
As for my thoughts on Trelawney, I don't think she realises that she has the power of a seer, so she frantically tries to make things up, and completely misses the fact that she has a gift because she makes herself pretend all the time. I dio think she believes that Divination can be done, but she thinks she isn't very good at it, and has gotten into the habit of trying really hard to convince herself and others that she has the sight. In other words, she oculd be good if she stopped pretending and let it come naturally. The massive hints she gives about Harry's death, I keep going back and forth about what they mean. Sometimes I think they mean that Harry will definately die, and they're put there as a red herring to make us think he won't, and sometimes I think that it's more of her guesswork; her prediction is bound to come true someday, isn't it, because Harry is going to die someday, as will everyone. I'm leaning more towards the idea that it's a load of rubbish and it's just a prediction she made up to try and sound clever, because it's bound to come true! -------------------- |
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Apr 23 2006, 01:34 AM
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WeasleyCast's Hostess With The Mostest Posts: 6,606 Joined: 2:44am February 20, 2006 Location: At The Burrow taking cooking lessons from Molly |
There have been other Trelawney threads in the past and I will post here what I have posted on the others. As far as Trelawney predicting Harry's death, I firmly believe that she is correct, but that she is reading the wrong person. In OotP, she inaccurately predicts that Harry was born in midwinter, but then we find out in HBP that LV was born December 31st. I really feel sorry for her, because she's trying to read the future for 2 different people on opposite sides of this battle at the same time and trying to make sense out of it.
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Apr 23 2006, 06:15 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 17 Joined: 6:28pm April 16, 2006 |
I think that Trelawney's only real predictions come from her prophecies. The rest of the stuff she says are kind of similar to the way fake psychics claim to see the future in our world. If anyone has ever seen Derren Brown you will know he is able to say certain types of predictions that are either so general that it is bound to happen or else plant ideas in people's heads so that they subconsciously end up doing what he predicted that they would do. For example telling Neville he would break a cup would make Neville so nervous that he broke a cup anyway, or saying that someone would leave by Easter gives Hermione the thought that if she wanted to, nothing is stopping her from dropping the subject.
As for the Lightening Struck Tower, it is a metaphor to represent the chaos that is about to ensue. Trelawney of course would be resigned to predict the worst for DD as she would for Harry as these predictions are more dramatic and are not easily disputed now that LV is back in power. Her prophecies are not what they seem either. Although they are true, there is a twist in the first prophecy she made that will have us kicking ourselves as to not seeing this twist coming. JKR said to a question asking whether the prophecy meant LV and Harry would both kill each other, that she wasn't saying anything other than, 'both Trelawney and I have worded the prophecy very carefully.' Something is not as it seems with that... |
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 Apr 23 2006, 11:23 AM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 77 Joined: 10:59am August 2, 2005 Location: A warm and cosy burrow in Mataró, Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain! |
I agree with you, SoonerGryffindor. LV and Harry share thoughts, feelings... I think Trelawney is just confused.
 
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Apr 23 2006, 12:27 PM
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Buying a Half-Kneazle Posts: 512 Joined: 10:58pm April 20, 2005 Location: Oklahoma |
QUOTE(SoonerGryffindor @ Apr 23 2006, 05:34 AM) [snapback]797392[/snapback] There have been other Trelawney threads in the past and I will post here what I have posted on the others. As far as Trelawney predicting Harry's death, I firmly believe that she is correct, but that she is reading the wrong person. In OotP, she inaccurately predicts that Harry was born in midwinter, but then we find out in HBP that LV was born December 31st. I really feel sorry for her, because she's trying to read the future for 2 different people on opposite sides of this battle at the same time and trying to make sense out of it. Yeah, this actually makes a lot of sense, because if Harry/Harry scar is a horcrux (sorry to bring this up) then part of voldemort is inside Harry. While Trelawney thinks she is dealing with Harry, there is someone else (LV) she is "feeling" there as well. Did that make any sense? I don't think Trelawney is wrong, I just don't think she knows when she is right. -------------------- Official Predictions made on 7/14/07:
1) Snape has a "redeeming quality". 2)Harry's scar is a horcrux. 3) Luna will not survive : ( |
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Apr 23 2006, 01:57 PM
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WeasleyCast's Hostess With The Mostest Posts: 6,606 Joined: 2:44am February 20, 2006 Location: At The Burrow taking cooking lessons from Molly |
QUOTE(taira @ Apr 23 2006, 12:27 PM) [snapback]797778[/snapback] QUOTE(SoonerGryffindor @ Apr 23 2006, 05:34 AM) [snapback]797392[/snapback] There have been other Trelawney threads in the past and I will post here what I have posted on the others. As far as Trelawney predicting Harry's death, I firmly believe that she is correct, but that she is reading the wrong person. In OotP, she inaccurately predicts that Harry was born in midwinter, but then we find out in HBP that LV was born December 31st. I really feel sorry for her, because she's trying to read the future for 2 different people on opposite sides of this battle at the same time and trying to make sense out of it. Yeah, this actually makes a lot of sense, because if Harry/Harry scar is a horcrux (sorry to bring this up) then part of voldemort is inside Harry. While Trelawney thinks she is dealing with Harry, there is someone else (LV) she is "feeling" there as well. Did that make any sense? I don't think Trelawney is wrong, I just don't think she knows when she is right. Actually I vehemently do NOT think that Harry is in any way, shape or form a horcrux. I hope I did not imply that with my last post. I just think that since they have a connection and that LV accidentally gave Harry some of his powers (like the ability to speak Parseltongue) that there is enough of a crossover that Trelawney gets mixed messages. Also the fact that Harry and LV seem to have such a mental connection plays into that as well. I see it more like when you sometimes accidentally pick up radio transmissions from other cities when you're listening to your local radio station. -------------------- |
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