The Ultimate Snape Thread, NOT about his loyalty. |
 Jul 17 2007, 12:50 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher  Posts: 145 Joined: 7:22pm July 16, 2007 Location: sitting outside a mall wearing gurdyroot. Luna saved me!  |
harry is probably a lot like lily. i think the reason snape talks like Harry does about the dark arts is because he too has dealt heavily with them and respects them even if he despises them.
and maybe the reason V offered to spare lily was because he supposedly rewards his followers. When snape slipped him info on the prophecy wouldnt that be grounds for a return favor? even from voldemort? --------------------  So many questions answered, yet so many remain... |
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Jul 17 2007, 03:20 PM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 410 Joined: 7:13pm June 17, 2005  |
Just to cover a bit of ground:
Malfoy knew about the giants because Hagrid said that there were Death Eaters who showed up trying to persuade the giants. They probably knew that Hagrid had been there. I'm sure Lucius would have heard, talked about it with his son, and Draco happened to be the mouthpiece. And I'm sure Dumbledore gave Snape a list of things he could tell LV that were true so as to seem like he had good information. But things Dumbledore knew about. I mean, Emmeline Vance and Amelia Bones - Dumbledore seems to just casually wave their "deaths" away as though they didn't matter too much. I think there is a lot more going on that Dumbledore has orchestrated. Also, as for Sirius and how they knew: Peter Pettigrew obviously talked and said he's an Animagus and probably described him. That's why he couldn't go out in his dog disguise, because he knew the filthy rat gave up the info on him. Pettigrew and Kreacher basically offered a TON of info from what they've heard over the years. They just knew a lot. I doubt Snape really had much he had to divulge because what he had was probably same as Pettigrew. I also think that Pettigrew having been Ron's rat and around the Trio so long, I feel like he'll end up being a problem because he knows the Trio are strong friends and LV will aim to break them apart. It is the most logical thing. I think it's a situation that could bring Snape into the picture. I mean, you go for the weakness of the enemy, right, so Harry's weakness is striking against his friends and family. Taking out Hermione or Ron would be LV's biggest priority after Dumbledore because it's a crushing blow. I think Snape may step in as either the one required to do it, or, as the one who will prevent LV or someone else from doing it. I don't know. But I feel like Snape is going to have a situation in which he must do something for Harry that makes Harry realize Snape is just a spy still. -------------------- Film blog: http://thefilmicevidence.blogspot.com |
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Jul 17 2007, 04:21 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 6 Joined: 3:06pm July 14, 2007 |
I like the idea of snape being a horcrux.. my predictions were that harry was one. and thats why his connection with voldy was so strong..
also i reckon that harry might hav 2 sacrifice himself (being a horcrux n all) so that voldy can b finally killed.. and i reckon that neville would be the one to do it.. because he was the other boy that the prophecy coulda been about hey! I kno it said about him not being marked n all that, but he might have been secretly and we just dont know lol.. what do u think? Wb Cant wait for the book:D:D:D |
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Jul 17 2007, 04:55 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 109 Joined: 3:52pm March 1, 2007 Location: Chasing Tsunamis while riding a Tiger |
QUOTE also i reckon that harry might hav 2 sacrifice himself (being a horcrux n all) so that voldy can b finally killed.. and i reckon that neville would be the one to do it.. The prophecy says that the Dark Lord will "Mark him as his equal", look at what he's done to Harry. Neville's parents were attacked after the Dark Lord disappeared. And if Harry sacrifices himself he won't be able to kill the Dark Lord. Harry wasn't perposely marked but he knew about his past, after Hagrid told him. Neville's Grandmother told him about his past. If Neville really was marked he'd have a connection too I am absolutely AGAINST the idea of Harry being a horcrux and I have my reasons why. -------------------- "Tell me, why do you call Voldemort the Dark Lord? I only ever heard deatheaters call him that." - Harry (OOP)
Of COURSE its all in your head Harry, but why on earth would that mean that it is not real? - (Deathly Hallows) |
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Jul 17 2007, 05:46 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 4 Joined: 5:30pm July 16, 2007 |
Snape? Good or evil, or even evil but on the good side. It is really impossible to tell (for the next week at least,) personally i am inclined to think that he is on Dumbledores side but is still a git. Here is a list of the things i think that is important to Snapes character
1) Snapes family i.e being halfblood. I also think he must have been raised as a wizard, as he knew "more spells when he came to hogward than most of the seventh years" 2)Snapes hatred of muggle borns. 3)Snapes hatred of James because he was a bully (and in griffindor and popular etc) 4)Snapes hatred of Lilly because she was a muggle born (note the difference in the two) Snapes hatred of Sirius as James' friend Snapes hatred of Harry as James, Ron as Sirius and Hermione as Lilly, note he hated Hermione before she became one of the Harry gang 5)Snapes affection to the Malfoys 6)Snapes carefull use of words when talking about voldemort (look it up he is always neutral i.e the dark lord or your master) 7)The fact that nobody likes him 8)AND only Dumbledore ever gave him a chance 9)The fact Snape owes James his life 10)That he still hates James 11)comapiring this to Harrys feelings on Malfoy when he lowered his wand on Dumbledore (dislike but pity) 12)Snape appeared in Crouches son's (moody imposter) foe glass with Dumbledore and McGonagall 13)Snapes wizarding ablities put him as one of the elite wizards often over Dumbledore and like Dumbledore and Voldemort never seeks glory (i.e not getting a top job in the ministry) his goal in life is unclear especially before he became a teacher 14)THE ENTIRE CHAPTER spinner end where -he has now justified himself to both parties -people from both sides come to him for help -he makes the unbreakable vow -his hand twitches as doing so 15)Quotes like, fools wear their hearts on their sleaves or the wolrld is not split into the good and those who support voldemort (the second is about umbrige but i think it applies) 16)The murder of those in the order Bones etc 17)The fact that he does not seem to care 18)The fact that he does care if some people live 19)The fact that he could have killed Dumbledore easily and gotten away with it before now 20)The fact that he he hates himself -'DON't -' screamed Snape, and his face was suddenly demented, inhuman, as though he was in as much pain as the yelping, howling dog stuck in the burning building behind them, '- CALL ME COWARD' |
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Jul 17 2007, 09:52 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 142 Joined: 10:53am June 24, 2005 |
What form Snape's patronus takes is unknown. The author said that describing it would be too revealing. I can think of three forms that would reveal a lot of information.
1) Bat. A lot of people suspect this is the form of his patronus, as he has been described as bat-like in his long robes. Note that the same applies to Irma Pince. This form would suggest Dumbledore hid Snapes mother as the librarian at Hogwarts. 2) Dragon. Dragons are magical creatures, so they are a possible patronus. This would explain a bit of his interest in the well being of Draco. 3) Cat. Not necessarily revealing unless the form resembles Mrs. Norris to a great deal. This would lend credence to those who think Argus Filch is related to Snape. |
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Jul 17 2007, 10:11 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 5 Joined: 7:47pm June 4, 2007 |
Okay, here is my Severus Snape theory, what I think about his true identity.
I'm convinced that Snape is good, and that DD's death was planned. DD was known to say, "Death is but the next great adventure", & "There are worse things than death" - I just can't see that there was any way he was pleading w/Severus for his life. Again, DD is nobody's fool, I think that he tends to see to the heart of matters, so I believe that DD must have had a BIG reason to trust Snape, and just as big a reason not to tell Harry what it was. I wonder if this reason is that Snape is not who he pretends to be AT ALL. DD telling Draco on the tower "He cannot kill you if you are already dead. Come over to the right side, Draco, and we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine." This seems like a big clue that the order has done this before, and someone who is supposed to be dead is really not (otherwise, why would he say it?). And Snape telling Draco "Where do you think I would have been all these years, if I had not known how to act?" Also, JK said that she can't reveal Snape's patronus or boggart because it would give too much away. It could be that beyond giving too much away about his true nature, it will give away the true identity of Severus Snape. Snape goes out of his way to treat Harry badly (despite protecting him and saving his life as well), which doesn't make a lot of sense whether he is good or bad. One would think if he was bad, he might treat Harry better to get close to him (ala Moody/Crouch Jr) despite the bad feelings between him and James. Being a master Occlumens and therefore possessing a lot of self control - being in control of his mind - I really don't think that pretending to be nice to Harry would be a huge stretch for him even though he hated James. If he was good, I think he would be better towards Harry as well because he is supposed to be the one that vanquishes LV and he would want to help him with that. Again, possessing quite a lot of self-control, it's hard to imagine that he couldn't bring himself to do this. So, treating Harry and his friends badly is all part of the "act", playing the "bad, Deatheater Snape" for the other Deatheaters, Draco & friends, etc., as well as Harry himself, so as not to give away his true identity. Possibly he also does it to make Harry "tougher" as well. There was a Switching Spell mentioned briefly in Harry's transfiguration OWL in book 5 (Harry couldn't remember the definition for it). Remember the bezoar that was quite important in HBP? I can't remember exactly which book it was mentioned in, but in an earlier book, it was mentioned in passing (only) that "bezoar" was an answer to one of the questions on Snape's test. Then there it was written on the page margin of the HBP's potions book - with the HBP apparently turning out to be Snape. I think the Switching Spell could similarly come up again, and be important in DH. I believe the REAL Snape is dead, having done a Switching Spell on someone before snuffing it, who has been masquerading as Snape throughout the series. Who could this be??? Waaaay back at the beginning of it all, in SS when McGonagall is waiting outside the Dursley's for DD: QUOTE It seemed that Professor McGonagall had reached the point she was most anxious to discuss, the real reason she had been waiting on a cold, hard wall all day, for neither as a cat nor as a woman had she fixed Dumbledore with such a piercing stare as she did now. It was plain that whatever "everyone" was saying, she was not going to believe it until Dumbledore told her it was true. Dumbledore, however, was choosing another lemon drop and did not answer. "What they're saying," she pressed on, "is that last night Voldemort turned up in Godric's Hollow. He went to find the Potters. The rumor is that Lily and James Potter are - are- that they're - dead." Dumbledore bowed his head. Professor McGonagall gasped. He NEVER tells her it is true. Okay, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this now, and it's quite long, so I'll try to sum it up. Snape knows LV is after the Potters. He owes James a life debt, so obviously must go and try to save him. Once there, he performs the Switching Spell on James, they switch places, he looks like James, James looks like Snape. James (looking like Snape) is bound under the invisibility cloak (ala Harry in HBP), so he can't interfere with Snape saving his life, which Snape is required to do. Snape (looking like James) is bumped off by LV. James (looking like Snape) goes to DD, establishing an elaborate plan to live on as Snape, so he can both protect Harry and, using his fabulous cover as Severus Snape, help vanquish Voldemort in the end. DD could never tell Harry this, because with his connection w/LV it could easily blow the elaborate plan. Meaning of the name "James" - 'the supplanter - to take the place of another.' DD talks at the end of OoTP about how he always knew LV would be back (which is why he took Harry to the Dursley's, for the "blood" protection in addition to his protection spells), and mentions this "plan"that he's had all along to Harry, while not telling us what this plan is - seems that having Harry go to school so he can learn how to defeat LV in the end is pretty basic for a "plan". In "Snapes Worst Memory", Lily calls James an arrogant, bullying toerag - Snape seems to bully Harry constantly (while also protecting him) - hard as it may be for James to treat Harry badly, even as an act, we know that James did have a "bullying" nature, so perhaps this act isn't a huge stretch for him. Interesting as well, how throughout this memory, James is always present - it could be Jame's memory (and James' worst memory - maybe he is very ashamed of all that). James/Snape freaks when he finds Harry because if Harry goes nosing around in his memories, he could find out that he is really James and blow it all. Hermione - tells Harry that Snape actually sounded like him at beginning of DADA in HBP Killing DD - Conversation in the forest overheard by Hagrid was discussion of a plan between James/Snape & DD, DD was dying anyway, and this provides James/Snape with huge proof for LV that he is really on LV's side, to get even closer and help bring him down in the end. (Plus the Unbreakable Vow, we couldn't lose James/Snape after all these years to that. Hence DD's pleading.) Snape still seems to be protecting Harry at the end of HBP, and screams at him "DON"T - CALL ME COWARD!" - well, if all of this is what really went down over so many years, no wonder that would really tick him off!!! QUOTE JK - NAQ... which means, 'never asked question'. (under "Potters"): "Why did Dumbledore have James' invisibility cloak at the time of James' death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak? JK replies: Prior to posting this I had a quick look on-line, and realised that some fans have been speculating about this question. However, nobody has ever asked me about it, and they really should have done. Just to allay the fears of the justifiably suspicious, this isn't what we in the know call 'a Mark Evans situation.'* There IS a significant - even crucial - answer." I know there are some problems with this theory, most obviously 'priori incantatem' - but I seem to remember JK trying to make it clear that these were just shades/echos, not ghosts. If you died looking like someone else, would your echo look like you or them? I'ts not your soul like it would be with a ghost, but I've really no idea. Also, Snape's memory of the boy cowering while his father yelled at his mother - I don't know about that one either. We do know memories can be moved around though (?). Anyway, there you have it, it may be 'out there'. I can hardly wait to find out the truth behind the most fascinating Severus Snape! No matter what his real story is, I'm totally looking for him to save the day in DH. 
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Jul 17 2007, 10:21 PM
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Terrortours Travel Agent Posts: 6,828 Joined: 12:34pm January 24, 2007 |
Rowling shot down the 'James and Lupin switched bodies' rumor by stating james wouldn't save himself while his family was in danger. The same goes to James and Snape switched bodies. How would James/Snape be able to save Harry at later times if Harry had been killed in Godric's Hollow? This whole arrangement does nothing to save Harry at the time when he was known to have been under attack.
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Jul 17 2007, 10:29 PM
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Exploding Snap Champion Posts: 1,729 Joined: 7:06pm February 28, 2005  |
QUOTE(lordbretonni @ Jul 18 2007, 02:52 AM) [snapback]1315076[/snapback] What form Snape's patronus takes is unknown. The author said that describing it would be too revealing. I can think of three forms that would reveal a lot of information. 1) Bat. A lot of people suspect this is the form of his patronus, as he has been described as bat-like in his long robes. Note that the same applies to Irma Pince. This form would suggest Dumbledore hid Snapes mother as the librarian at Hogwarts. 2) Dragon. Dragons are magical creatures, so they are a possible patronus. This would explain a bit of his interest in the well being of Draco. 3) Cat. Not necessarily revealing unless the form resembles Mrs. Norris to a great deal. This would lend credence to those who think Argus Filch is related to Snape. These are clever suggestions, but not really very revealing. Snape's Patronus will be something that shows where his loyalty - his heart - lies. I think the key to this may be Tonks Patronus. In HBP, JKR made a point of showing that Tonks' Patronus changed into the form of the person she loved - Remus Lupin. She also had Snape on hand to comment that it "looked weak". Of course we all know that Snape considers emotion to be weakness, but what if he suffers from this same weakness which he ruthlessly hides? If he was indeed in love with Lily Evans, then I would look for his Patronus to be a representation of her. -------------------- "Albus Severus, you were named for two headmasters of Hogwarts. One of them was a Slytherin and he was probably the bravest man I ever knew."
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Jul 17 2007, 10:38 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 5 Joined: 8:53pm July 17, 2007 |
ok, well here are my theories.
one--snape was in love with lily. in book five, aunt petunia states "she always brought that boy around." if she was talking about james, she would have said "your father" or "james" or "potter". she possibly didn't know snape's name. and thats why snape hated james, because james was able to get lily and he couldn't. when harry has flashbacks of the night his parents died, why would voldemort, this cruel and heartless guy, tell lily to "move out of the way, girl"? maybe snape was there trying to protect lily from voldemort. and happened to snatch the invisibilty cloak before he left, therefore giving it to dumbledore. two--harry's a horcux. he's gonna have to sacrifice himself to save the wizarding, and possibly even all of humanity. three--draco will see the error in his ways. he will be so shocked that he almost killed dumbledore/dumbledore is dead, that he'll see what he's done and turn good. joining harry and his group on the way to defeat voldemort....yeah i know, sounds kinda cheesy right? but i think thats whats gonna happen. four--snape will die trying to protect draco. mhmm. remember, the unbreakable vow? the "will you, serveus snape, protect my son as he fulfills the dark lords wishes." deal? that's still going on. voldemort is going to be furious when he finds out draco didn't kill dumbledore, but snape did. so, voldemort is gonna try to kill draco, but snape is gonna die trying to save him. (which leads to theory number three, he will see the error of his ways when this happens and try to defeat voldemort) i didn't say these were going to happen, i didn't say you had to believe them. these are just my opinions. -------------------- screw this, im going to hogwarts!!
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