Umbridge's teacher evaluations, Why some teachers and not others? |
 Mar 15 2008, 03:10 PM
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Madame Pince's House Elf  Posts: 4,596 Joined: 5:46pm January 28, 2005 Location: In HP Book Club 4, awaiting the HBP film's release   |
TEACHER EVALUATIONS As High Inquisitor (and all the rest) Her Toadiness conducted reviews on the following teachers: 1. Professor Trelawney: Taught Divination for sixteen years. Put on probation by Umbridge she was found wanting and sacked. Although Dumbledore allowed her to stay at Hogwarts, Trelawney's experience was so traumatic she turned to drink. 2. Professor Grubbly-Plank: A competent casual teacher for Care of Magical Creatures during Hagrid's absence, she breezed through the evaluations. 3. Hagrid's return to duty before Christmas does not excuse him from being reviewed. Though Hagrid's teaching had improved, Umbridge makes fun of his lesson as well as himself. Put on probation, Hagrid faces the sack. 4. Professor McGonagall: Despite having taught Transformation for over thirty years, Umbridge thought she could review this teacher who treated her like the irrelevant busybody she was. It would not be the last time that Professor McGonagall would openly clash with Umbridge. 5. Professor Snape: After a Hogwarts career of sixteen years teaching Potions, Umbridge reviews him. Though satisfactorily snide to Harry Potter, Snape is told his Strengthening Solution lesson is too difficult for OWLs students. Later, when he is unable to supply Umbridge with Veritaserum on demand, Snape is threatened with being put on probation. At his review, Umbridge was curious as to why Snape had applied unsuccessfully for the DADA position. 6. Professor Flitwick: The charms teacher was not teaching Harry Potter when he also was reviewed. But he treated Umbridge like a guest and there were no further repercussions. 7. Wasn't Dumbledore the one who was really under review? These reviews were somewhat dubious, given Umbridge's own teaching methods. Although Hermione considered Divination a subject that was a complete waste of time, it doesn't follow that Professor Trelawney did not attempt to teach it. She set exams, set texts and gave the students homework. Did Trelawney really deserve to be treated the way she was? Hagrid was a half-giant and Umbridge had an aversion to beings like him or Remus Lupin, an earlier DADA teacher. She had passed legislation which would make it impossible for Remus Lupin to get employment elsewhere. Would Umbridge's reviewing Hagrid be fair or deserved? Given her own methods of teaching, was Umbridge really interested in improving Hogwarts Education, or was she more interested in removing Dumbledore's influence? Some teachers who really should have been reviewed weren't, such as Professor Binns. Others we never hear about. Professor Sprout, a good teacher, never seemed to have a problem with Umbridge. Why did Umbridge target Snape and McGonagall? What are your views about Hogwarts teachers? --------------------  Check out the Beedle the Bard Book Club |
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Mar 15 2008, 07:11 PM
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Saucy Sorceress of the Shrinking Solution  Posts: 637 Joined: 3:03pm January 11, 2008 Location: New Jersey |
Considering how awful she was I felt like it was terrible of her to be the one evaluating other teachers, but Her Toadness (i love that wagga, very nice
 ) is so out there is what she believes it is like she in on planet Fudge or something. However, as much as I dispise her, I must say there were some teachers at Hogwarts needing to be checked on, her among them. I think, and it was answered in another post, that the only reason Trelawny is still there is that if Snape ever told it was she who made the prophecy she would be in terrible danger, and we dont know if he ever did say who it was. But she really isnt a good teacher. But my heart broke for her when Toadness tried to kick her out of the castle. And a teacher who is a ghost? Well the fact that there is a ghost teacher isnt really the problem, but one who is only still a teacher because he didnt realize he died, just go up an left his dead body behind and went on with his day? He is either really dumb or so very boring that he didnt notice he had no life left in him...And we know he was boring...he drones on and on not even noticing the students half the time.... Hagrid, I love him dearly but have mixed feelings about him as a teacher....There is no doubt that he knows a lot about magical creatures, but his taste for dangerous ones and his lack of a filter on what is safe for the students and what he can do on his own just make me wonder about him being made teacher... There is no skock that she has it out for McGonagal since anyone so clearly on DD's side would be a target for Toadness (who I tend to think was in Slytherin). But you almost think she would want to befriend Snape since he seems like her type of person, a Harry hater. But they clash and I think it is because she cant intimidate him. He is not afraid of her nor does he care really about what she has to say. I know there is a board of governors who oversee the school but they seem to be useless, after all they are so easily used by Malfoy Sr and so they appear week to me.... I think had they left DD to his own devices the school would have been a much better place but then there wouldnt be much of a story would there? -------------------- The most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart
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Mar 16 2008, 11:34 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 141 Joined: 3:56am February 21, 2008 Location: Commuting between Ravenclaw Common Room and the Room of Hidden Things |
QUOTE Why did Umbridge target Snape and McGonagall? Even if the organisation is a secret one, there must have leaked something about Snape and McGonagall being members of the OotP. And that's one of the secret societies (the other one: the DA) that the Ministry fears above all. They do something where the Ministry fails. |
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Mar 16 2008, 04:12 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 232 Joined: 3:54am June 9, 2005 |
QUOTE Professor Sprout, a good teacher, never seemed to have a problem with Umbridge. Why did Umbridge target Snape and McGonagall? That's easy! Those two are not just competent teachers, they are very strong personalities and stand up to Umbridge, especially McGonagall as Deputy Headmistress. Flitwick and Sprout are obviously highly competent, but they keep their heads down and are not the sort to create trouble or oppose Umbridge openly. In her own quest for power, Sprout and Flitwick aren't any danger to Umbridge, but McGonagall and Snape clearly are - so she goes after them. Look at how Minerva deals with Umbridge - total disdain, and complete confidence in her own abilities and status. And Minerva is also the one person who will stand up for the students and other staff, as we saw clearly with Trelawney and Hagrid. If Umbridge wants her own little empire at Hogwarts, she has to target the two people most likely to slead a rebellion, either openly or behind the scenes. Being Order members has nothing to do with it - Umbridge may not even know about the Order - but she certainly knows what she wants in terms of her own authority. Alkari This post has been edited by Alkari: Mar 16 2008, 04:15 PM |
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Mar 16 2008, 06:09 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 12:36am January 18, 2008 Location: Waterloo, ON - getting Butterbeer for Hagrid's "Support Harry Potter" party |
I also highly doubt that there were any teachers who didn't get inspected by Umbridge. The staff do socialize (perhaps not with Umbridge), and if any of the teachers found out that one of their colleagues wasn't being subjected to the same evaluation as the rest were, Umbridge would likely have been challenged for her lack of objectiveness just like McGonagall did when she delayed giving the Gryffindor Quidditch team permission to reform. We just didn't hear about teachers like Sprout, Sinistra, Binns, etc, because their inspections had no influence on the plot.
-------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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Mar 16 2008, 06:12 PM
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Grand Pooh-Bah of the Poking Sticks Emporium Posts: 6,769 Joined: 3:53pm January 4, 2008 Location: Fine-tuning her Spambot Magnet |
QUOTE(Alkari @ Mar 16 2008, 05:12 PM)  If Umbridge wants her own little empire at Hogwarts, she has to target the two people most likely to slead a rebellion, either openly or behind the scenes. Being Order members has nothing to do with it - Umbridge may not even know about the Order - but she certainly knows what she wants in terms of her own authority. I agree completely. I mean, look at the way she treated Hagrid and Trewlaney; with disdain and disrespect. These two people were disposable in her opinion. McGonaglle put her in her place and Snape was cooly authoritative. As for knowing about the Order, wouldn't Umbridge be privy to their existence at least since she worked for the Ministry? --------------------  |
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Mar 16 2008, 06:51 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 12:36am January 18, 2008 Location: Waterloo, ON - getting Butterbeer for Hagrid's "Support Harry Potter" party |
QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 16 2008, 07:12 PM) As for knowing about the Order, wouldn't Umbridge be privy to their existence at least since she worked for the Ministry? I don't think so. I don't think anyone knew about the Order until HBP, and the people in both the Order and the Ministry would have kept their position in the Order a secret. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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Mar 16 2008, 07:07 PM
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Grand Pooh-Bah of the Poking Sticks Emporium Posts: 6,769 Joined: 3:53pm January 4, 2008 Location: Fine-tuning her Spambot Magnet |
QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Mar 16 2008, 07:51 PM) I don't think so. I don't think anyone knew about the Order until HBP, and the people in both the Order and the Ministry would have kept their position in the Order a secret. Yes, you are right. Umbridge wouldn't know which Ministry members were in the Order, as you point out. But after Umbridge's tenure at Hogwarts, we learned in HBP she was still working in the Ministry. I just figured that she might have know the Order itself existed, and not the members. So, going after Snape and McGonaglle in OOTP, was for her own selfish purposes, or is it possible Fudge had some sort of hunch that some of the teachers at Hogwarts, were more than just teachers; that some were working for Dumbledore in a different capacity? This post has been edited by lirene: Mar 16 2008, 07:18 PM -------------------- |
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Mar 16 2008, 07:13 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 232 Joined: 3:54am June 9, 2005 |
Umbridge may have known about "an" Order, or rumours of it, from the Ministry, but I think it would more likely be along the lines of "a group of people who support that dangerous Dumbledore".
Even if she knew that there was something called "the Order", I very much doubt she knew of its membership, or had any evidence as to Hogwarts staff being members. (In fact, as no one took action against Arthur, Tonks or Kingsley as MOM employees during OotP, I'd say the MOM had no real knowledge about the Order at all). Umbridge may have had her suspicions, but that would be all - and you can imagine how McGonagall and Snape would have dealt with those ideas if she'd voiced them, LOL!  "You are raving again, Dolores" from Minerva, and Snape would undoubtedly offer to find her an appropriate antidote for whatever hallucinogenic tea she had been drinking lately.Alkari This post has been edited by Alkari: Mar 16 2008, 07:15 PM |
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Mar 16 2008, 07:22 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 12:36am January 18, 2008 Location: Waterloo, ON - getting Butterbeer for Hagrid's "Support Harry Potter" party |
QUOTE(Alkari @ Mar 16 2008, 08:13 PM) Umbridge may have known about "an" Order, or rumours of it, from the Ministry, but I think it would more likely be along the lines of "a group of people who support that dangerous Dumbledore". Very true, and not even Fudge seems have known about any Order/army led by DD based on his reaction to the Marietta incident: "So you have been plotting against me!" Yes, they were warned that one might form via Harry (which Umbridge would have viewed as just as much of a threat), but they clearly had no idea that one did form via Harry (DA) or DD (teh Order of the Phoenix), or who was involved (Fudge was under the impression that Kingsley was still supporting him, and they didn't realize Marietta was also part of that group at first). -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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