How Voldemort Learned, learning more about horcruxes |
 Aug 25 2006, 02:17 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 10 Joined: 1:23am August 7, 2006 Location: Minneapolis, Mn  |
hey everyone,
After re-reading Ootp, i've been posed with a question/theory. based on what we know of slughorns memory and the room of requirement i have to believe that voldemort learned how to create a horcrux from the room of requirement. I base this theory on the sheer fact that it helps you in need. we all know that voldy loved hogwarts as much as harry and based on his intelligence and ambition he would've stumbled upon the place. during the first D.A session hermione saw some books that sounded very special that may not have been accessible anywhere else. If voldemort, knowing what he knew from slughorn set out to find out how to complete a horcrux and found the room of requirement he would learn just that. Some of you may be thinking that how or why would the room teach you that? but lets think, why would a room give you a place to hide sherry bottles, or provide you a hidden place where you can work on a project to ultimately kill Dumbledore. I believe that the room doesn't see right or wrong. the room sees need as the seeker sees fit. I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks about this. and being this late in the story, i'm sure someone has already thought of this theory, but nevertheless i've not heard of it and i'd like to hear more. it also open the conversation for how much more it help or hurt. let me know what you think. ps. Chime in you guys (unisex) and tell me what you think! -curiousblack This post has been edited by hpaddict: Aug 27 2006, 12:21 PM -------------------- <a href="http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#quiz:1"><img src="http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/quiz/image.php?sm&id=ead97ba0" /></a>
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Aug 25 2006, 02:52 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 30 Joined: 7:06pm January 13, 2006 Location: Sussex, WI USA  |
Very interesting theory. Voldy could have wished for a place where he could learn how do make himself a horcrux. But why didn't he use the same method to learn more about horcruxes? Why did he go to Slughorn, risking to expose himself? Of course it's possible Voldy didn't know about the Room of Requirements but there is still one thing bugging me... How did he learn about the horcruzes in the first place? Hogwarts's library has a minimum info on the matter, as Hermione said but still Voldemort somehow knew Horcruxes can help you be immortal...
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Aug 25 2006, 03:04 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 10 Joined: 1:23am August 7, 2006 Location: Minneapolis, Mn |
Yeah I get you, that's a good question. Since his ambition was to become all powerfull you'd have to look at the components that make you just that. Invincibility being one of them. If that were his course of action he would look up ways to stay alive. that would lead him to the horcruxes. Dude book seven is going to be so RAD! it's amazing to think that a story can create this much enthusiasm. i'm quivering with anticipation.
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Aug 27 2006, 12:26 PM
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Diagon Alley Magical Bricklayer Posts: 2,876 Joined: 8:17pm June 28, 2005 Location: waiting on summer |
Alas - this thread shall be moved over into a History of Magic as it does not discuss the magical properties of horcruxes, rather how, when, why Voldemort learned about them.
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Aug 27 2006, 12:57 PM
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Quality Quidditch Supplies Test-Flyer Posts: 1,273 Joined: 5:55pm October 4, 2005 Location: Moominland |
Well, I don't know about the room teaching him about horcruxes, since we don't know if he could ask the room "I need a room full of books about horcruxes". When we've seen people asking the room for a place in which to do something, i.e. a room to practice defense, a place to go to the bathroom, a room to hide sherry bottles or a book, a place to fix up the vanishing cabnet. I think this may be a reason why Harry couldn't get into the room when Draco was there, he wasn't phrasing it properly. Nevertheless, as I stated earlier, we don't know that much about the room, and at the moment, anything is possible.
As for how Riddle found out about the horcruxes, the only theory I've liked is something from somewhere (Pottercast or Mugglecast perhaps?) that the screaming book in PS/SS has information in it, and Riddle was able to withstand, or turn off, the screaming. However, I don't think Dumbledore would alow any infromation about horcruxes in the library, even in a screaming book. -------------------- "You can't fool me, there ain't no sanity clause!" -Chico Marx  ex Room 101 l I Survived the Corner Café l ex Room 13 l ex Chamber 7 Avatar and Sig by me |
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Aug 27 2006, 11:31 PM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 390 Joined: 1:08pm August 5, 2006 Location: Seattle, WA |
I had always imagined that somewhere in the Chamber of Secrets there is some information left by Slytherin. It seems silly to just leave a big snake for your ancestors. Surely Slytherin would have also left his legacy some sort of book or something. However, I imagine that even Slytherin wouldn't approve of using Horcruxes, so I bet that after finding the reference, Riddle had to go to Slughorn and other subsequent locations (I don't have a guess as to what those are) to find out more information.
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Aug 28 2006, 12:54 PM
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Kibble Boy/Girl at the Magical Menagerie Posts: 281 Joined: 11:22am August 27, 2006 Location: Hunting Horcri in Nomansland |
From what we hear in slughorns memory I think it's fair o assume that LV had a little more information on Horcruxes then what he got from seeing them referenced in a book like the one Herminone reads from in HBP. I doubt whether there were books that spoke of Horcruxes in more detail in the library as in the memory Slughorn says "It's a banned subject at Hogwarts you know ... Dumbledore's particularly fierce about it..."
When questioning where he first heard and then learnt more about Horcruxes we should remeber what house Voldy belonged to. Slytherin has always housed more dark wizards then the other houses, families such as the Blacks and the Malfoys can proberly boast long histories of all Slytherin ancestors so it may be that LV first found out about Horcruxes from another student. After that, walking past the RoR think 'I need somwhere to learn about Horcruxes' might have done the trick. What do you think? -------------------- You're only young once; you can be immature forever. Proud member of M.A.F.I.A.!!! And S.Q.U.E.E.  and proud! |
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Aug 28 2006, 02:54 PM
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Personal Secretary to The Minister of Magic  Posts: 9,192 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK |
I don't think the Room of Requirement would help, because Dumbledore knew about it, and would have removed references to horcruxes from there also, and also you must have a real need of the room to activate it and just wanting to find out about horcruxes wouldn't be enough to activate it. This is perhaps why Harry couldn't get into the room when Draco was in there.
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Aug 28 2006, 08:00 PM
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Sundae-Nut-Chopper at Florean Fortescue's Posts: 923 Joined: 5:50pm August 19, 2005 Location: Canada eh! |
I think that maybe there is a connection to the other great Dark Wizard, Grindewald, who Dumbledore defeated and also recieved a scar on his knee for his troubles. Maybe Grindewald had made a horcrux and LV got some info about this. Also LV travelled far and wide, I'm sure gathering all kinds of spells, not allowed at Hogwarts.
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Aug 28 2006, 08:05 PM
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Quality Quidditch Supplies Test-Flyer Posts: 1,273 Joined: 5:55pm October 4, 2005 Location: Moominland |
QUOTE(Twilight66 @ Aug 28 2006, 04:31 AM) [snapback]931014[/snapback] I had always imagined that somewhere in the Chamber of Secrets there is some information left by Slytherin. It seems silly to just leave a big snake for your ancestors. Surely Slytherin would have also left his legacy some sort of book or something. However, I imagine that even Slytherin wouldn't approve of using Horcruxes, so I bet that after finding the reference, Riddle had to go to Slughorn and other subsequent locations (I don't have a guess as to what those are) to find out more information. I also think that the Chamber could, perhaps be home to more secrets-- perhaps knowledge. The name itself entails that there is more in there, "secrets" being plural. Also, it would be a pretty safe place, I mean only 1 student in 50 years can enter, and that student is probably going to be pretty reliable, given the task before them and the family they have. -------------------- "You can't fool me, there ain't no sanity clause!" -Chico Marx ex Room 101 l I Survived the Corner Café l ex Room 13 l ex Chamber 7 Avatar and Sig by me |
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