Voldmort offered to spare Lily- why?, It's so unlike him! |
 Aug 19 2005, 04:38 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 64 Joined: 5:31pm June 24, 2005 Location: Paris, France  |
Hey, I would just like some opinions on this though I am not sure it's relevant to book 7. It just struck me- Voldmort came to get baby Harry, fought and killed James who was trying to protect him, and then told Lily to give him the baby, that Harry was all he wanted. It is said somewhere that she need not have died, so it looks as if he would have killed Harry and then left, or killed Harry before her. But why? He seems like the most ruthless of people, killing and inflicting pain just for pleasure. And James and Lily had defied him thrice, as we know. Why would he even just think about sparing Lily's life? Why didn't he WANT to kill her first of all, just for the fun of it, before going after the defenceless baby?
-------------------- "Snape looked as though Christmas had been cancelled."
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Aug 19 2005, 04:43 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 88 Joined: 12:57pm August 18, 2005 |
Because Snape totally hearted her and asked him to spare her as a favour.
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Aug 19 2005, 04:47 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 172 Joined: 4:58pm August 7, 2005 Location: mass |
i dont think snape would spare someone becasue one of his death eaters loves the person. LV hates love with every fiber of his being. he cant stant it so why would he honor it like that?
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Aug 19 2005, 04:49 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 88 Joined: 12:57pm August 18, 2005 |
I still think Snape loved her, but I think that is something Snape would have kept completely to himself. He wouldn't have told Voldie. I don't know though, why would James need to die and Lily didn't. After all, Lily was the Mudblood.
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Aug 19 2005, 04:58 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 64 Joined: 5:31pm June 24, 2005 Location: Paris, France |
QUOTE(trickcards @ Aug. 19 2005,17:49 ) I still think Snape loved her, but I think that is something Snape would have kept completely to himself. He wouldn't have told Voldie. I don't know though, why would James need to die and Lily didn't. After all, Lily was the Mudblood. Thanks for that point which makes it even more interesting! Lily was a mudblood so why spare her????? If JKR hadn't said somewhere that LV had never loved anyone in his life I would have thought he had been in love with her at a certain time..... The more I think of it, the more I wonder- could this reveal something about the past history of Lily or about her character? -------------------- "Snape looked as though Christmas had been cancelled."
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Aug 19 2005, 04:59 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 152 Joined: 5:51pm August 18, 2005 |
Voldemort often lied and told people he would spare them if they did what he wanted. Maybe he told Lily that to throw her off.. but.. now you have me wondering. lol Why would he even say that? I mean, if he was going to kill them all anyway, why not just kill her and save his words? That is curious!
And wasn't Voldemorts time before Lily and James' at Hogwarts? The first book, the diary took Harry back 50 years. Lily would not have been born yet. Voldemort would have been 20? years older. Where would they have met for him to fall in love if she were already with James? I think Snape loved her, but not Voldemort. |
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Aug 19 2005, 05:01 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 88 Joined: 12:57pm August 18, 2005 |
Maybe Voldemort would have wanted to keep her for interrogation about something. Maybe he wanted information out of her that wasn't vital, so she could be killed, but he still may have needed otherwise.
Or he might have just wanted to capture her and user her as a plaything :wink: |
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Aug 19 2005, 05:36 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 37 Joined: 1:02am August 19, 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand |
While it seems unlikely from what we know of Voldemorts character that he would spare Lily (ie. he was just lying to her), we do know from interviews Rowling has given and from comments in the books that in order for the 'ancient' magical protection spell thingee to work, Lily had to conciously choose to die, and Voldemort had to mean it. According to Rowling, that is why James (who also died protecting Harry) left no magical imprint on his son. this offers up the intruiging possibility that Voldemort indeed had an ulterior motive for keeping Lily alive that he himself sacrificed in his attempt on Harry's life.
QUOTE "ES: This is one of my burning questions since the third book - why did Voldemort offer Lily so many chances to live? Would he actually have let her live? JKR: Mmhm. ES: Why? JKR: [silence] Can't tell you. But he did offer, you're absolutely right. Don't you want to ask me why James's death didn't protect Lily and Harry? There’s your answer, you've just answered your own question, because she could have lived and chose to die. James was going to be killed anyway. Do you see what I mean? I’m not saying James wasn't ready to; he died trying to protect his family but he was going to be murdered anyway. He had no - he wasn't given a choice, so he rushed into it in a kind of animal way, ... She did very consciously lay down her life. She had a clear choice - ES: And James didn't." [i]- From the Leaky Coauldren/Mugglenet interview July 2005 Rowling has also been very ambiguous about whether or not someone else was present at Godrics Hollow at the time of Lily and James' deaths. If that's the case, might it have been Snape? -------------------- "Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can’t be taken on its own merits." - Dan Barker
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Aug 19 2005, 06:00 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 152 Joined: 5:51pm August 18, 2005 |
Well that was a lovely thought but I think Wormtail is his french maid. Maybe Voldemort had a twinge of foreboding about killing Lily but shrugged it off. He does give in to his ego. Or maybe Snape did beg him for mercy for her. Of course that means Snape lied to Dumbledore about not knowing who Voldemort was going to kill.
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Aug 19 2005, 06:19 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 152 Joined: 5:51pm August 18, 2005 |
Re-reading the quote from JKR, the clear choice issue... I'm a mom.. and if someone was trying to hurt my kid, there is no choice. You would automatically jump in front of a bullet, knife or curse to save your kid. There would be no thinking unless someone tried to coax you into distraction. There's really no difference between how James and Lily died, they both did what most parents would do without thinking twice. Jump in front of the speeding bullet, or curse in this case.
Maybe that part of the story is what Shakespeare would call a cardboard villain, or a cardboard setup of how. Maybe JKR needed a reason for the protection thing to work. The protection over the Dursleys house and from Harry being killed off to easily to early. A red herring of sorts. |
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