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WB/JKR vs. RDR Part 17
NickTLC
post Sep 25 2008, 01:52 PM
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WB/JKR vs. RDR Part III
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part IV
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part V
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part VI
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part VII
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part VIII
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part IX
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part X
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part XI
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part XII
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part XIII
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part XIV
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part XV
WB/JKR vs. RDR Part XVI

"The Impact of this suit on Fandom"
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Well, I believe the co-authors didn't think publishing the Lexicon was about money. And at GVSU on Dec 5th, SVA tried to make out that it wasn't about money. But then we got a look at his contract with RDR and it sure looked like it was about money. And then he told the court that he was unhappy that RDR hadn't given him a cash advance and it sure sounded like it was about money. And, although getting credit for the Timeline on the DVDs would be nice, he said he was always in need of money.

I just cannot accept that RDR or SVA ever thought this was about a legal question or clearing up a gray area of law or figuring out where to draw the line in copyright's monopoly. Who risks all they own on a point of law? It was about making money. And, frankly, I can only imagine SVA needed three co-authors because he couldn't claim copyright in the HPL otherwise. He needed the three biggest volunteer contributors to the HPL on board. But the co-authors seem to have thought it was still a labour of fannish love. I still want to know if any of them signed a contract (one has said no) or if they were paid or promised a percentage or if any of them ever were shown the terms of the contract.

That last is important. Because the contract, with its unusual indemnity clause and its hefty sum of author's copies and it's Floo discounts and its NYTimes Bestseller bonus, makes it clear that this was about making money and that JKR's approval had not been sought and that there was a suspicion that the book might be challenged. Although I sympathize with the sleepless nights the co-authors endured when the lawsuit was filed and their fate as possible John or Jane Does was unknown, I am perplexed at their loyalty to SVA when it's clear from the wording of his contract and his unflappable faith in RDR that he had a reasonable belief that a legal storm was on the horizon.

ETA: I visited the usual suspects just now to see if there were any new developments. I looked for an update on Roger Rapoport's blog and saw nothing. But no! More than nothing. The blog post announcing the fundraiser had been deleted. Conspiracy theories fly. I wasn't imagining it as I found it cached here. Hmmm. Was it deleted because it was old news? Why not add an update reporting on the event's success? It's still mentioned on the Right to Write's website. Curiouser and curiouser.


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- NickTLC   WB/JKR vs. RDR Part 17   Sep 25 2008, 01:52 PM
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- - cbm   This case was not about Steve Vander Ark's fre...   Sep 28 2008, 09:06 AM
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