WWW Chat: 5/30/07, Arthurian Legend and its connect to the Weasley's |
 May 30 2007, 08:10 PM
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Today's Text Chat Moderators were: Aislinn, fawkes28, Prongs Patronus, SoonerGryffindor
[19:00] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:01] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:01] *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge [19:02] <Love4Fawkes> Hi Everyone smile [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hello [19:02] <Shard> Hello all [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I am so excited about this topic [19:02] <Shard> Me too [19:02] <Love4Fawkes> me too! [19:02] <Shard> We had this one on Weasleycast [19:03] <fawkes28> me too - i love the arthurian legend! [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> yes we did [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> Did you do that segment Shard? [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> because I was not in on that [19:03] <Shard> Yes I did [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> its hard to remember who does what [19:03] <Shard> With Sillyputty and Stuart [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> now I remember [19:03] <Shard> er Mr. McGonagall [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> LO [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> L [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> how are you this evening Love? [19:04] <Love4Fawkes> i'm great, thanks! How are you? [19:04] <fawkes28> sooner, you should definitely read Mists of Avalon [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> good [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I know [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I really need to read that [19:04] <Aislinn> it is really good [19:04] <fawkes28> then we can chat about it [19:04] <Aislinn> I'm almost done with it [19:04] <fawkes28> i am slacking laugh [19:04] <Shard> I read Mists of Avalon [19:04] <Aislinn> and I started after you! [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> ahahahah. The teacher is slacking [19:05] <fawkes28> pffft [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> classic! [19:05] <Shard> Just couldn't get past the wierdness of BRother/Sister relationship... too wierd lol [19:05] <fawkes28> who waited for you to get it? hmmmm [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, that is weird [19:05] <Aislinn> have to think outside of your own culture [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> pfft, excuses [19:05] <Shard> I do Ann and I still don't want to sleep with my sister [19:05] <fawkes28> have you read that book, Love4Fawkes? [19:06] <Love4Fawkes> no, but it sounds like I should [19:06] <Aislinn> well, neither did he! LOL [19:06] <fawkes28> it is the arthurian legend from the woman's perspective [19:06] <Shard> Um... ok then how did Mordred get born?? [19:06] <Aislinn> neither one of them wanted to sleep with their sibling [19:06] <Aislinn> they were kind of tricked into it [19:06] <fawkes28> he didnt know at the time though, shard [19:06] <Shard> No they didm't but they did lol [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> SillyPutty has read that book also and highly recommends it [19:06] <Shard> It [19:07] <Shard> 's is funny how characters will be intrepreted [19:07] <Aislinn> it's really well written, and it's a fascinating angle for the tale [19:07] *** sherman has joined #lounge [19:07] <Love4Fawkes> i wrote it down. i'll have to read it. [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> hello sherman [19:07] <sherman> hello [19:07] <Aislinn> very different from the traditional view of the arthurian legend [19:07] <fawkes28> it is long - about 900 pages but definitely worth it [19:07] <Aislinn> hi sherman [19:07] <Love4Fawkes> i don't mind long [19:07] <Shard> One story Gweinvere is a ditz, like in Mist of Avalon, take the recent ARthur movie and you got this battled hardned woman warrior [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I am going to check that out from the library, I have decided [19:07] <Shard> I love long books [19:07] <fawkes28> awesome - we'll have to chat about it when you read it [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Isnt the Mists of Avalon from a female perspective? [19:07] <Aislinn> me too, lots to get lost in [19:08] <Aislinn> yes, it is sooner [19:08] <Shard> Yes Morgan Le Faus [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [19:08] <Shard> Faye [19:08] <Love4Fawkes> oh interesting [19:08] <fawkes28> i definitely get swept into their world when i read it [19:08] <Love4Fawkes> sounds great fawkes! [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> seriously, there is so much cool stuff to talk about in this chat. So many great connections [19:09] <Shard> I agree [19:09] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:09] <Shard> Aislinn, quick WoT question, do you think Jordan writes women well or badly? [19:09] <Aislinn> hi prongs! [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> PRONGS! [19:09] <Shard> Hi Prongs [19:09] <fawkes28> hey prongs [19:09] <Love4Fawkes> hi prongs [19:09] <fawkes28> no caps, sooner laugh [19:09] <Aislinn> I think he's a bit uneven [19:09] <sherman> hello prongs [19:10] <ProngsPatronus> hey there [19:10] <Aislinn> he writes strong women, but I think he got stale with their development as he went along [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol fawkes [19:10] <Shard> That's what I have been thinking as well Aislinn, though it seems some have praised him. *shrug* [19:10] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:10] <Shard> I think Nyn is doing better but I agree in regards like Elyane [19:10] <fawkes28> hey cbm! [19:10] <cbm> Hi everyone [19:10] <Love4Fawkes> hi cbm [19:10] <Aislinn> I think people(women) appreciate that he writes them as strong women and not damsels in distress [19:10] <fawkes28> yes, that is what i love about Mists [19:10] <Shard> I do appreciate that myself [19:10] <Aislinn> hi cbm smile [19:11] <Shard> and I'm a guy lol [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> when did cbm cneak in? [19:11] <Shard> Jsut now [19:11] <cbm> just now [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:11] <fawkes28> they are most certainly not damsels in distress - maybe gwen though - she is annoying [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> are you staying for the entire chat? [19:11] <cbm> who me [19:11] <fawkes28> lol - sooner [19:11] <fawkes28> just say yes, cbm [19:11] <cbm> most of it [19:11] <Shard> Fawkes: That is true, but some stories protray her differently [19:11] * SoonerGryffindor makes plans to set a good tripping jinx for anyone trying to leave the chat early [19:12] <cbm> sounds fun [19:12] <sherman> sorry but i will probably have to. sad [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> seriously, I have been working on my hexes and jinxes [19:12] <fawkes28> that is true, shard and i definitely plan on reading different versions of the legend [19:12] <cbm> I am doing laundry at the same time [19:12] <Love4Fawkes> don't hit me with the jinx sooner. i'll have to put my son to bed, but then i'll be back [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> just so y'all are forewarned. devil2 [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> okay [19:12] <fawkes28> sooner thinks she is a witch [19:13] <Shard> Thinks Gwen is a witch? [19:13] <fawkes28> no, she thinks that she, herself is a witch [19:13] <fawkes28> with all her hexing tonight [19:13] <Shard> Aww and Lanfear err I mean Bellatrix... no I mean Morgan Ley Faye is the Witch [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:14] <fawkes28> i enjoy morgan ley faye [19:14] <Shard> I is fun to see the character's from a different prespective, afterall we are talking about a modelble legend [19:14] <Shard> A story that has gone through many evolutions through out the years [19:14] <Aislinn> yes, shard, passed down through oral history, so many changes were possible [19:14] <Shard> Same as Robin Hood I feel, which is why I love the Prince of Thieves movie [19:14] <Love4Fawkes> very true shard [19:15] <Shard> PoT is just evnidence of our modern times evoling a story [19:15] <Shard> Same with every new Arthurian book or movie that comes out [19:15] <fawkes28> i bet we could relate robin hood to harry potter too - we can relate everything [19:15] <sherman> I didn't know how long i would get to stay. Sorry but i got to go sad [19:15] *** sherman has quit [Bye] [19:15] <SoonerGryffindor> bye sherman [19:15] *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge [19:15] <SoonerGryffindor> dang it. No one else is allowed to leave, I say [19:15] <Shard> Hi memyselfanI [19:15] <fawkes28> hey me [19:15] <Aislinn> hi Me! [19:16] <Love4Fawkes> hi me [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> hello me [19:16] <memyslfnI> hi [19:16] * Shard laush histericaly "Hi Me" [19:16] <fawkes28> time to start our chat! [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> woot! [19:16] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [19:16] <ProngsPatronus> (((M))) [19:16] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [19:16] <fawkes28> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:17] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [19:17] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:17] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> J. K. Rowling draws extensively upon mythology and folklore for the background of Harry's magical world. But is it more than just window dressing for the story? Are there myths and legends that serve as a basis or archetype for characters and events in the series? [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> The legends surrounding King Arthur are perhaps the closest thing to true mythology that Britain possesses. In today's chat, we'll be discussing these Arthurian legends in relationship to the Weasley clan, a family apparently steeped in references to this ancient lore. [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Many have noted the number of kingly names in the Weasley family. The Weasleys are poor, but they are a pure-blood family as old as any. What significance do you find in this? [19:18] <Aislinn> hi sophia [19:18] <Shard> Well hello ARTHUR for one lol [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> hello sophia [19:18] *** lothlorien has joined #lounge [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> all the weasleys have royal names [19:18] <Sophia40> Hi all [19:18] <Love4Fawkes> the Weasleys are rich in what matters [19:18] <Shard> I don't care how it happens but he will either A) be the next Minster or B) Lead the Order [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I find it representative of the fact that they are considered the first family of the wizarding world [19:18] <fawkes28> oh, very nice, Love4Fawkes [19:19] <Shard> The Weasleys are a famous if not always popular family [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> hey, lothlorien [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> hello lothlorien [19:19] <Aislinn> it's interesting that Jo chose to use so many Arthurian references within the Weasley clan [19:19] <Love4Fawkes> that's true shard. everyone knows the Weasleys [19:19] <Sophia40> The first family ? Sooner [19:19] <Shard> Hello Lothlorien [19:19] <lothlorien> Hi all, I'm new to this site. [19:19] <Aislinn> welcome to the chat smile [19:19] <Love4Fawkes> welcome lothlorien! [19:19] <fawkes28> there are also some people who treat them very well as if they were royalty - Harry for one [19:19] <Shard> Well welcome! [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> well, they are such a prominent family in the wizarding world. Everyone knows who they are [19:19] <Aislinn> we're just starting to talk about the Weasleys and their royal names [19:20] <Shard> Is Molly a Royal Name? [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> not that I am aware of [19:20] <Shard> Ah but then shes a Prewett [19:20] <memyslfnI> Molly is an herb, i thought [19:20] <Sophia40> I feel they are not taken seriously in the wizarding worl. I wonder at this [19:20] <Aislinn> not really, but it is a nickname for Mary, which we'll talk about later [19:20] <ProngsPatronus> King Arthur was Welsh-- I wonder if the Weasleys are, too [19:20] <memyslfnI> red hair? perhaps [19:20] <Shard> They might be, I am sure the Lexicon knows [19:21] <fawkes28> not to many people, sophia - but to the people who matter - they regard the weasley family highly [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they are actually respected by their peers though, dont you Sophia? [19:21] <Aislinn> do we know where ottery st. catchpole is supposed to be? [19:21] <cbm> I thought a molly was a fish [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> Arthur was greeted by everyone at the MoM like an old friend [19:21] <Love4Fawkes> that's true [19:21] <cbm> there is an article on the lexicon that tries to pin it down [19:21] <lothlorien> The arthurian legend is about knights as well as royalty ... Maybe the connection is that the family is knightly and follows a code of honor. [19:21] <Love4Fawkes> Arthur just doesn't play political games [19:22] <cbm> I forget where it said it was [19:22] <Sophia40> Yes respected! [19:22] <Aislinn> I think that's an excellent thought, lothlorien [19:22] <Aislinn> they definitely have a code of honour [19:22] <Shard> Its in Devon [19:22] <Love4Fawkes> oh great point lothlorien [19:22] <Shard> says the Lexicon [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> yes--no wonder they are in Gryffindor! [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Arthur, as the patriarch of the family, perhaps exemplifies Weasley-ness. Do you see any parallels to the King Arthur of legend? [19:22] <cbm> I think most of them would have no problems upholding the standards of camelot [19:23] <Shard> ARthur does seem to be the Head of the Weasley clan [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Can I just say how much I love the term Weasley-ness? *giggle* [19:23] <memyslfnI> Weasley as a last name is interesting too. In heraldry they symbolise a ferocious warrior and can also be seen as a relative of the ermine. [19:23] <ProngsPatronus> I think there is an unspoken air of the leader about Arthur [19:23] <ProngsPatronus> he is kind, like his namesake [19:23] <Shard> Arthur like Arthur has dreams of Equlaity amongst all men, Wizard and Muggle alike [19:23] <Aislinn> In the book we were talking about before the chat started, Arthur of legend is a man who most likes to have peace and those he loves around him [19:23] <Aislinn> that seems very similar to Arthur [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> it really does [19:23] <Love4Fawkes> yes it certainly does [19:24] <fawkes28> he wants peace in all of Britain like Arthur does for the wizarding world [19:24] <Aislinn> I agree, prongs to both the leadership, in a quiet, unassuming way, and to the kindness [19:24] <Aislinn> right fawkes [19:24] <Love4Fawkes> and like shard said, Both Arthurs dream of equality [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Yes, Arthur s a great leader [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> and--if Arthur really puts his foot down, they all listen [19:25] <ProngsPatronus> it takes a lot to rile him up, but when he is....watch out! [19:25] <lothlorien> I have to say that although I love Molly, she is not very "Guinevere-like". Do you think? [19:25] <fawkes28> King Arthur also did not start out in greatness, which some would say about Mr. Weasley too [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> no, she is not [19:25] <Shard> No she isn't [19:25] <cbm> I always thought of Harry as King Arthur for pulling the sword out of the hat, but it sounds like Mr. Weasley shares many qualities of king arthur [19:25] <memyslfnI> well, there is ginny [19:25] <memyslfnI> she takes the name [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> true. I think we are just starting to see the rise of the Weasley family [19:25] <Shard> I agree Sooner [19:25] <Aislinn> yes, his love of muggles and tolerance and acceptance in general, like towards house elves, is similar to the Arthur of legend's desire to unite and treat all fairly [19:25] <Love4Fawkes> that's a great point sooner [19:25] <lothlorien> Cool thought memyslfnI! [19:25] <Shard> I think the Luck has turned for the fdamily as can be seen with ron's new watch [19:26] <Love4Fawkes> many of the "royal" families in the wizarding world have fallen [19:26] <Shard> Because many of them were obessed with Pure Bloodness, where as the Weasleys are not [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> at least, the ones who think themselves "royal" [19:26] <Love4Fawkes> exactly shard and prongs [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> According to legend, King Arthur will return from Avalon when Britain is in dire need. Will Arthur ever come into his own, in the sense of being recognized and rewarded for his virtues? [19:26] <cbm> The weasley's are obsessed with what is right [19:26] <lothlorien> Where does Percy fit into the Arthur legend model? [19:27] <Shard> I think Arthur will, in either leading the Order or MoM [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I know that Jo shot down Arthur being Ministry of Magic, but this sure does seem possible [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> I think we will see the Weasleys come into their own in this last book [19:27] <Love4Fawkes> I think he will [19:27] <Shard> Percy = Percival [19:27] <memyslfnI> I think so..I think he will be the Mom!! [19:27] <lothlorien> Aha, Shard! [19:27] <Love4Fawkes> i don't think he'll be the MoM though [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I promise we will get to the individual Weasleys in a bit [19:27] <Aislinn> we have already seen him take on a greater leadership role in HBP [19:27] <Shard> Sooner, she said he wouldn't be one in HBP, no one is to say waht will happen AFER DH [19:27] <Aislinn> he was promoted to a larger dept. [19:27] <memyslfnI> He already is rising int he ranks [19:27] <Shard> Especially if Scrimjeour dies [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, I cant help but think that possibly Arthur wil be the new leader of the Order [19:28] <cbm> that would make the ministry competent, and JKR has gone to great lengths to make it incompetent [19:28] <fawkes28> I think it is just Arthur's nature to be humble - he never expects anything as a reward - he does what he loves and truly follows his heart [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think that will happen, too, sooner [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> kind of like a round table type of situation [19:28] <Love4Fawkes> i agree fawkes [19:28] <Love4Fawkes> i can see him as leader of the order though [19:28] <cbm> I can see him leading the order also [19:28] *** micaylah has joined #lounge [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> hello micaylah [19:29] <micaylah> good evening [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I would definitely say that Britian is in dire need [19:29] <Love4Fawkes> kind of a focus for the order and helping everyone work together [19:29] <Shard> Arhtur really should be Minister [19:29] <ProngsPatronus> micalayah, hello! [19:29] <micaylah> hello everyone [19:29] <Love4Fawkes> hi micaylah [19:29] <fawkes28> yes, i can definitely see him as the leader but he will not seek it - it will come to him just like King Arthur [19:29] <lothlorien> Hi Micaylah! [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> King Arthur only succeeded in uniting the divided tribes of Britain and driving back the Saxons after a long, uphill war, overcoming tremendous opposition. Has Arthur Weasley faced the same kind of situation in his life? [19:30] <Aislinn> I think he has [19:30] <cbm> Not that we know of [19:30] <cbm> we really don't know that much about him [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> I think he has, too--after all, this is the second Wizarding war in his lifetime [19:30] <Shard> I think he has [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I would think that Arthur's work in supporting muggle rights would qualify [19:31] <Love4Fawkes> i think he is doing it right now [19:31] <Aislinn> he has been marginalized in the past for pursuing his passion [19:31] <Shard> People associated a stigma with him because of his beliefs in Muggle rights [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> he works to keep the 2 worlds at peace with each other [19:31] <fawkes28> i think at work he has - even though it is a silent battle - in OotP we get to see that battle he faces at work everyday [19:31] <lothlorien> Absolutely, he won't make it to the top unless Voldemort is defeated with his help. [19:31] <Aislinn> and he has fought, as sooner says, in two wizarding wars [19:31] <cbm> Did he fight in the 1st war? He was not in the order picture [19:31] <lothlorien> He was almost mortally wounded, too! [19:32] *** DorisTLC has joined #lounge [19:32] <Aislinn> he was, lothlorien, you're right! [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> no--he was in school, I believe [19:32] <fawkes28> hey Doris [19:32] <lothlorien> Hi, DorisTLC! [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> he is an advocate for muggles. His name is spoken with scorn by the DE's as "blood-traitor" I think he will continue to be a driving presence in keeping things together [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Doris [19:32] <Shard> He may have joined after that photo cbm bu I know what you mean [19:32] <Shard> Hi doris [19:32] <DorisTLC> Hi everyone - this is MY faveorite topic [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> hello, doris [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of last question: King Arthur only succeeded in uniting the divided tribes of Britain and driving back the Saxons after a long, uphill war, overcoming tremendous opposition. Has Arthur Weasley faced the same kind of situation in his life? [19:32] <Aislinn> glad you joined us, doris [19:32] <cbm> he was out of school as his children were born during the war [19:33] <Love4Fawkes> i'm not sure that he fought in the first war, but he made it through the first war [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> right [19:33] <Shard> Maybe Molly and Arthur were to busy making babies [19:33] <Aislinn> right, cbm, and given his values, I'm sure he would have resisted Voldemort's side, even if he wasn't in the Order [19:33] <Love4Fawkes> i seem to remember arthur and molly were married as LV gained power [19:33] <cbm> I agree Aislinn [19:33] <Aislinn> his wife's brothers died fighting against the DE's [19:33] <lothlorien> I think Arthur is definitely a minority in the pureblood world and has faced tremendous opposition in that regard. [19:33] <memyslfnI> He did not subscribe to the pure blood mania, so he would not be interested in what voldemort had to offer anyway [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> and he defied the shadow of Evil, too, by getting married during the first rise of Voldemort---just like his son [19:33] <cbm> I think you need more than soldiers to resist [19:34] <Shard> Yes they did and I think she named the Twins after them [19:34] <Aislinn> yes, I agree cbm [19:34] <cbm> The important think is he is fighting now! [19:34] <Shard> True cbm [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Morgan Le Fay was Arthur's sister and rival. She continually sought to strike at him or lay traps for him. The name is vaguely reminiscent of Malfoy, who is Arthur Weasley's nemesis. Do you think Jo meant to hint at such a connection with the names? Why or why not? [19:35] <Love4Fawkes> right cbm [19:35] *** ravenclawgirl34 has joined #lounge [19:35] <Shard> Maybe Arthur through working with the Minsitry didn't need to be in the Order at that time [19:35] <memyslfnI> wow, I never thought ofthat [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do [19:35] <fawkes28> this is an interesting question [19:35] <Aislinn> I hadn't noticed that before, but it is an interesting connection [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I had never made the connection on that name until I started researching this material [19:35] <cbm> I like that! [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> hey, revenclawgirl [19:35] <Love4Fawkes> i think its kind of a stretch [19:35] <DorisTLC> I think of Bellatirx as more of a Mogan Le Fay character [19:35] <Shard> There does seem to be a Malfoy Vs Weasley doesn't there/ [19:35] <memyslfnI> Intersting that she caused his downfall too. [19:35] <fawkes28> it definitely is similar but i amnot sure if she intended it when she made up the name Malfoy [19:36] <Shard> Draco is always attacking the Weasleys as does Lucius [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I could have been subconciously done [19:36] <memyslfnI> the "delorus blow" so to speak!!! [19:36] <Aislinn> yes, doris, bella does seem like the Morgan of the traditional view of the tale [19:36] <fawkes28> definitely, sooner [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, I think taht Lucius would defintely be Arthur's nemesis [19:36] <Shard> I agree with Sooner, I think it was a subconsious thing [19:36] <lothlorien> I forgot, is there any direct family relationship between the Weasleys and the Malfoys? [19:36] <Shard> I am not sure that the Malfoys = Morgan Le Fay [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> yes, there is [19:36] <cbm> All of the families are interconnected [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> there must be cbm, they are prebloods [19:36] *** Sophia40 has quit [Bye] [19:36] <Aislinn> i think there is, Love4Fawkes [19:36] <fawkes28> but for Arthur though - i think Lucius is his Morgan Le Fay whereas Bellatrix may be more of Neville's [19:36] <Shard> Yes I think Bellatrix is our Morgan Le Fay [19:36] <DorisTLC> Le Strange and Le Fay seemed close [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> it is on the Black Family Tapestry [19:36] <Aislinn> oops, lothlorien [19:37] <fawkes28> oh, i like that Doris [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> ooh, that is interesing as well Doris [19:37] <cbm> lol [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> well, "fay" means someone of Faerun, o9r the fairy world [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> someone who is "fey" is said to be peculiar [19:37] <Love4Fawkes> lol, i was confused for a second aislinn [19:37] <memyslfnI> that should be my nickname then PP [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> so, LeStrange and le Fay may well be connected in just that manner [19:38] <Shard> I think Jo though talked about why she made the name Malfoy didn't she? Something about Malfarious or Malicous ? [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Still, I wonder if Lucius and Arthur went to school together [19:38] <memyslfnI> baD FAITH, SHARD [19:38] <memyslfnI> oops, cap lock [19:38] <Shard> Yes thank you Me [19:38] <Love4Fawkes> they are about the same age aren't they sooner? [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe they were antagonists there [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, that's what I was thining [19:38] <DorisTLC> Shard I think it's malicious - but don't quote me on that one [19:38] <Shard> I can see that Sooner [19:38] <Aislinn> I think they were in school together for part of it [19:38] <Shard> Thanks Doris [19:39] <fawkes28> the malfoy does have a negative connotation to it [19:39] <Shard> I'm sure the Lexicon timeline can help there [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> King Arthur was wounded by his son, Mordred, in the final battle. Is there a parallel here to Arthur Weasley? [19:39] <Shard> Percy? [19:39] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [19:39] <fawkes28> i think Percy [19:39] <micaylah> i agree [19:39] <Love4Fawkes> well Arthur has certainly been wounded by his son [19:39] <Love4Fawkes> hi joy!! [19:39] <cbm> I could see percy going to the dark side as the only positive quality he has is his last name [19:39] <fawkes28> yes, you are right, Love4Fawkes [19:39] <Joyhawk2121> hello Everyone [19:40] <micaylah> hello joy [19:40] <Joyhawk2121> Hi Love4 [19:40] <DorisTLC> I thinkPercey has wounded Arthur [19:40] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [19:40] <DorisTLC> at least emotionally - [19:40] <memyslfnI> Percival was on a swecret mission was he not? i feel that maybe Percy was on one for the order. [19:40] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:40] <Shard> Now Now Cbm, disagreeing with ones father and mother doesn't make a Death Eater [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> he was also wounded by Nagini. I realize that is quite a stretch, but if you think that Harry is considered a son, and Harry saw it through Nagaini's eyes.. [19:40] <fawkes28> yes, but emotionally is still significant [19:40] <fawkes28> hopefully it won't have to come to anything physical [19:40] <Love4Fawkes> that is kind of a stretch sooner [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah [19:40] <Shard> Percy though has only wounded his Parents pride [19:41] <cbm> He has done more that disagree [19:41] <Shard> He has not worunded them unto death [19:41] <Aislinn> I think there is an emotional corrolation, certainly [19:41] <DorisTLC> and as a aprent - isn't an emotional wound deeper then a physical one [19:41] <Shard> Worry more for the Brother with the Lycanthorpic curse [19:41] <micaylah> i think percy is more worried about social status and sees himself as better than the rest of his family. [19:41] <Aislinn> yes, doris, the emotional wounds can cut the deepest [19:41] <Love4Fawkes> i don't think its just their pride that is wounded shard. he's broken their hearts [19:41] *** ravenclawgirl34 has quit [Ping timeout] [19:41] <lothlorien> The whole thing with Nagini reminds me of Rikki Tikki Tavi, a "weasel" who defeats a snake with the name Nagaini, I think. [19:41] <micaylah> reminds me of slughorn and how he uses others to boost his social status [19:41] <fawkes28> He never came to visit him in the hospital - even though his father could have died - that definitely had an impact on his father emotionally [19:41] <Shard> L4F True enough but still not physical damage [19:41] <cbm> He hass become a toady for the ministry, that is much worse than disagreeing [19:41] <Love4Fawkes> well we aren't at the final battle yet. maybe there are implications there [19:42] <Shard> Oh SWEET someone else remember Rikki!!! [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> interesting that his son has wounded both Arthur's [19:42] <Love4Fawkes> sorry, i can't spell [19:42] * Shard dances [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> the final battle part scares me [19:42] <micaylah> rikki was my favorite story as a child [19:42] <ProngsPatronus> he is being manipulated by the Ministry in the same way Mordred was manipulated by his mother [19:42] <DorisTLC> Nags are the names of the kings of snakes in Egypts, so Nag and Nagini were the snakes in Rikki [19:42] <Aislinn> it was a betrayal by a family member in the legend, and there is a risk that Arthur and the rest of the family will be betrayed by Percy [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> it makes me think that Percy might not turn things around [19:42] <fawkes28> i still think they will too, Aislinn [19:42] <Aislinn> right, prongs [19:42] <memyslfnI> I think he has never left. [19:43] <memyslfnI> I think he will show his true colors soon' [19:43] <Love4Fawkes> me too sooner and I was so thinking he might [19:43] <Aislinn> never left? [19:43] <cbm> I think he got to his currently position willingly, remember he was reading "Prefects Who Gained Power" at the world cup [19:43] <Aislinn> I agree, cbm, it is something he has been actively working towards [19:43] <Love4Fawkes> and who else do we know that wanted power badly? [19:43] <memyslfnI> I read somewhere that Percival was really the black night in disguise [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> . The name Mordred also has some significance (mordre = bite, the spell to conjure the Dark Mark – morsmordre – Death Eater). Does this have any particular meaning for Arthur Weasley? [19:44] <cbm> I think that looking for Power is a bad thing in JKRs world, could you ever see Arthur reading that book [19:44] <fawkes28> i disagree, me - he already made choices that shows where his loyalty lies [19:44] <memyslfnI> could be! i think that its all a front. [19:45] <Love4Fawkes> i'm honestly not seeing any connection [19:45] <cbm> me, we have absolutely no hints it is a front [19:45] <lothlorien> Well, Arthur was biten by Volde's snake. [19:45] <fawkes28> definitely as arthur has already been wounded by a snake bite [19:45] <Love4Fawkes> true [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think they stand for the same thing--Chaos and Evil in the face of Good [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think it has as much of a connection to the Weasleys per se, but that Jo could have realized the term from Arthurian legends and used it as a DE spell' [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> and that both Arthurs react in a similar way [19:45] <Love4Fawkes> that's a great point prongs [19:46] <Love4Fawkes> i've got to go for now. I'll be back. [19:46] <Aislinn> they are quite similar, aren't they? [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Love [19:46] <micaylah> bye [19:46] *** Love4Fawkes has quit [Bye] [19:46] <fawkes28> bye love [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Again, I think this may have been an subconcious thiing [19:47] <Aislinn> that's probably true, sooner [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> In some versions of the Arthurian legend the knight Percival is a model of innocence and purity, in others he falls from grace. Does Percy Weasley exhibit any good or noble qualities, or has he always been a prat? [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> ooh, I love this question [19:47] <DorisTLC> IHe's a prat! [19:47] <DorisTLC> lol [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Doris [19:47] <micaylah> i don' [19:47] <micaylah> sorry [19:48] <lothlorien> I've never seen much to redeem him. [19:48] <cbm> Prat [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> I think Percy is the child who never quite fit into the rest of the family [19:48] <DorisTLC> Oh sorry! I think he's a redeemable prat! [19:48] <micaylah> i dont think he has ever been dishonest [19:48] <fawkes28> definitely a prat [19:48] <fawkes28> actually prat is a nice term [19:48] <memyslfnI> he is a bit full of himself, but I think that it is no accident that Rowling named him after Arthurs most virtuous knight behind Guain.. [19:48] <micaylah> always upfront about his aspirations [19:48] <Aislinn> He doesn't seem to display any of the qualities that are attributed to the Parcival of the legend [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> he is Molly's favourite, too--and that makes his defection to the MoM all the more heartbreaking [19:48] <DorisTLC> He is just ambitous - and after power [19:48] <cbm> I have more hope that Snape will be redeemed than Percy, and I do not like Snape very much [19:48] <lothlorien> He's the middle child, maybe there's a chance for redemption though. Think of Edward in Narnia. [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I learned during our WeasleyCast research that in some legends Percival went against his mother's wishes to become a knight. I think this is parallel with his promotions at the MoM [19:48] <memyslfnI> He is the sole winner of the grail in Arthurian legend [19:49] <DorisTLC> Good point - he's much like Edward [19:49] <fawkes28> i do not think she modeled percival after percy [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> oh, I think htere is a definite chance for redemption for Percy [19:49] <cbm> But which model of Percy? [19:49] <fawkes28> i like that connnection, lothlorien [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> he just needs a broken and contrite heart [19:49] <memyslfnI> will it take a death then PP? [19:49] <Aislinn> it may, sadly [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> I think so [19:49] <fawkes28> no, i really do not think he will redeem himself [19:49] <DorisTLC> I think so, but I hope he has the chance to say goodbye to Molly [19:50] <cbm> Would that be enough? He had a chance to come back in HBP and did not take it. He looked like he wanted to be anywhere else [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> there is evidence that points to either conclusion [19:50] <Aislinn> so you think he is the one who will die, doris? [19:50] <DorisTLC> I think he's one of them - I've said that on Weasleycast I think [19:50] <memyslfnI> If he has been a prat this whole time (but I think he is on a secret mission for the order) then it will taake a death to knoock some sense into him unfortuately [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, you did Doris [19:50] <DorisTLC> I've got a list - but he's one on the top [19:51] <fawkes28> i wouldnt mind if he was the weasley to die [19:51] <memyslfnI> I think it will be Ron or Bill [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> fawkes! [19:51] <Aislinn> he certainly didn't respond to a near death, with Arthur's injury, or Bill's [19:51] <micaylah> why would he be on Order business? [19:51] <cbm> We have no hint that he will come back to the family [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> but Molly? [19:51] <fawkes28> what? if i had to pick one - hasta la bye bye Percy [19:51] <Aislinn> maybe a true death will finally wake him up [19:51] <lothlorien> Excellent point, [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> that would be a different story [19:51] <micaylah> they have always worked outside of ministry [19:52] <micaylah> not illegally but certainly not forthright [19:52] <cbm> He is probably now mad at the family for shielding Harry [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> On his first attempt, Sir Percival was unable to attain the Holy Grail, but succeeded on his second. Does this give us hope for Percy, that he will learn from his mistakes? [19:52] <memyslfnI> or he is too proud to say he was wrong [19:52] <cbm> I do not think so [19:52] <fawkes28> i agree with cbm [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> this is what gives me hope [19:52] <DorisTLC> Well - it depends on the version of Arthur you read, but I don't thinkPercy will [19:52] <lothlorien> What is the holy Grail for Percy in this analogy? Power? [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> respect [19:53] <ProngsPatronus> the interesting thing about that whole second time is that Parsifal had to lose his knight's pride in order to achieve the Grail [19:53] <DorisTLC> respect - honor - and power [19:53] <Aislinn> his holy grail right now is power, lothlorien , but it is a false grail [19:53] <cbm> If it is truly power that he seeks, I think he is doomed [19:53] <fawkes28> i think power is a good analogy [19:53] <memyslfnI> He is a weasley! he was raised by Molly and Arthur! he has a good upbringing and a good foundation. he will end up on the side of the order [19:53] <micaylah> i honestly think that he is just trying to make himself important in his eyes because, face it, it's easy to get lost in such a big family [19:53] *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge [19:53] <fawkes28> wb, love [19:53] <Love4Fawkes> thanks smile [19:53] <lothlorien> I don't know. I don't respect him. I don't think JKR writes him as a character to be respected. [19:53] <cbm> the book was prefects who "gained" power, not "achieved" power [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> It really does depend on which legend Jo wants to follow, but I think that Percy will eventually find the right grail [19:53] <Joyhawk2121> wb, Love [19:53] <Aislinn> agreed, lothlorien [19:54] <fawkes28> exactly, cbm [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of last question: On his first attempt, Sir Percival was unable to attain the Holy Grail, but succeeded on his second. Does this give us hope for Percy, that he will learn from his mistakes? [19:54] <memyslfnI> He was unable to obtain the grail because he was not worthy or truly ready to accept it. [19:54] <cbm> that is a strange choice of words for a title to me [19:54] <micaylah> not to mention that the family became even more infamous when Harry "joined" them [19:54] <Aislinn> yes, cbm, it was telling that he was reading that [19:54] <DorisTLC> I think she chooses her words to carefully to have not realized the difference in the title [19:54] <Aislinn> I don't think that Jo puts those touches in without good reason [19:54] <fawkes28> the title is definitely sinister in tone [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> no--she is a wordsmith [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> those titles are deliberate [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> all very good points. I remain optimistic though. Maybe I am just being naive [19:55] *** micaylah has quit [Bye] [19:55] <memyslfnI> I must be naive too sooner [19:55] <Love4Fawkes> i agree. it was sinister and jo is almost always deliberate [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> lol me [19:55] <fawkes28> about snape too laugh [19:55] <lothlorien> I think there is more hope that Draco will learn from his mistakes than Percy at this point. [19:55] <DorisTLC> I want him to change in the end! I would love that for Molly's sake [19:55] <cbm> I really wish there was something besides his last name that I could point to, to say he will come back [19:55] <fawkes28> dumbledore makes the theme of choices very clear - i really dont see percy making the right ones [19:56] <lothlorien> I do agree with that Doris TLC. [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> I think he is really too much like his father [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> The Round Table is a famous part of Camelot. It is the table around which Arthur gathers his knights to discuss great and weighty things. Do we see a parallel with the Weasley family? [19:56] <Aislinn> I despaired of him when he did not come to his father's side after the snake attack [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> they are both stubborn [19:56] <Love4Fawkes> i want to be optimistic too sooner! there are other parallels that can be made outside arthurian legend tha point to percy coming back [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Aislinn, but maybe that was his first attempt [19:56] <memyslfnI> Percival was the most holy and virtuous of all the knights, if rowling is so careful with words, why would she choose his name then? [19:56] <Aislinn> hopefully, sooner [19:56] <Love4Fawkes> that's a great question me [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> I see the Round Table as the kitchen tables where Molly holds court [19:56] <cbm> I would like percy to come back also, I just do not think he will [19:56] <lothlorien> The moment you mentioned the round table, I thought of the OOTP. [19:57] <memyslfnI> I LOVE that PP! [19:57] <Love4Fawkes> lol, me too prongs [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think I am starting to see the OotP as the next round table of knights [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is [19:57] <cbm> very true PP [19:57] <Aislinn> I agree sooner [19:57] <fawkes28> me too, prongs [19:57] <Love4Fawkes> maybe arthur will get them a round table [19:57] <DorisTLC> I think table can be either her kitchen table, or the table at the black's house [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> or the table at GP? [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, nevermind. Doris already said that [19:58] <Love4Fawkes> to me they both serve the same purpose depending on where the weasleys are [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I see it as both [19:58] <Aislinn> that one fits more of the "knights" than the one at the Burrow [19:58] <lothlorien> Maybe it isn't a literal table. Maybe it's just the sense of togetherness and sense of purpose. [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> Molly transforms a company, doesn't she? [19:58] <fawkes28> what about the clock representing the table, in a sense - people are always coming and going from the court - the clock shows where everyone is [19:58] <Aislinn> yes, that's a good point lothlorien [19:58] <cbm> It may be a round table now, but with DD in charge, they were not all equals [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> well really they almost have had enough kids to have their own Round Table without anybody else [19:58] <DorisTLC> does anyone know what Arthur's table was made of [19:58] <lothlorien> Or intimidates a company PP. [19:58] <Love4Fawkes> that's so true lothlorien. its more about what that round table represents. no head, no one better than anyone else [19:59] <memyslfnI> king arthurs? [19:59] *** ravenclawgirl34 has joined #lounge [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> right, cbm, which makes me think that Arthur will be techinically in charge, but it will be more of a first among equals kind of thing [19:59] <lothlorien> Arhtur Weasley is definitely a team player. [19:59] <cbm> So is Minerva [19:59] <fawkes28> not sure but it was definitely very nice material [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> wb ravenclawgirl [19:59] <cbm> I would be happy with either of them in charge [20:00] <DorisTLC> yeah King arthurr [20:00] <memyslfnI> Was it stone? [20:00] <DorisTLC> King Arthur's table was made by his father in law [20:00] <Love4Fawkes> Minerva is more of the "in charge" leader and Arthur is more of the "equal leader" [20:00] <Aislinn> and was wood, I think, but I'm not positive [20:01] <DorisTLC> it's the same wood as the cross wood [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> . The name Molly is commonly a nickname for Mary. King Arthur carried a shield emblazoned with an image of the Virgin Mary. Can a comparison be made to Molly and her relationship to Arthur or her family? [20:01] <DorisTLC> odd things I know because I read too much! [20:01] <lothlorien> Regardless, leadership under Arthur Weasley would be fair. [20:01] <fawkes28> i never thought of that connection before [20:01] <Love4Fawkes> oh it certainly would be! [20:01] <DorisTLC> I like that thought of Molly - that she's his shield - his protector [20:02] <fawkes28> awwww, Doris [20:02] <Aislinn> she is a shield for her family, definitely [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I love the whole Molly shield thing. Good job Mr. M for finding that gem of a question [20:02] <lothlorien> I think she's a saint! Fred and George, Holy Cow! [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> she is also transforms him [20:02] <Aislinn> lol lothlorien [20:02] <fawkes28> yes, lothlorien [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> her Arthur [20:02] <lothlorien> For sure, PP. [20:02] <DorisTLC> awe - I love Molly! This just makes me have more respect for her as a literary character [20:02] <fawkes28> she definitely has a lot of patience [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> LOL [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> Definitely Molly is a big protector in the family. She is also fierce [20:03] *** ravenclawgirl34 has quit [Bye] [20:03] <lothlorien> And strength. [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think she is long on patience when it is fred and George [20:03] <memyslfnI> yet she rules the house, they say behind every great king is a queen telling him what to do! LOL! [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> one of Harry's first thoughts about her is her resemblance to a saber toothed tiger when she's angry [20:03] <fawkes28> she is fierce, which when I think of Mary - i would not use that to characterize her laugh [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> that s hilarious me [20:04] <lothlorien> She's the only wizard Fred and George ever feared... [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> I think, above all, she is a mother, as was mary [20:04] <DorisTLC> Mary would have had to have been brave - if not fierce to watch her son go through what he did [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> and mothers do what they have to do to protect those they love [20:04] <Love4Fawkes> and to go what she went through herself [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> ooh, and Mary lost a son. this is scaring me now [20:04] <fawkes28> yes, on the inside [20:04] <fawkes28> no crying sad [20:04] <Love4Fawkes> oh sooner, don't go any further sad [20:05] <memyslfnI> but which son will it be? remember her boggart! [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> her first born son. Hmmmmm [20:05] <lothlorien> Yes, Sooner. The analogy is scary though. Not Ron! [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> something else interesting about the name Mary [20:05] <fawkes28> none of them [20:05] <Love4Fawkes> :( no more [20:05] <DorisTLC> awe - well for Molly, I hope they are all one big Happy family in the end [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> it is a derivative of Miriam [20:05] <memyslfnI> aaah! PP [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> who was the sister of Moses, and a prophetess [20:05] <cbm> I think it will be Percy [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> there is a rumor that there is seer blood in the Weasley family [20:06] *** DougD has joined #lounge [20:06] <Aislinn> hi dougd [20:06] <fawkes28> i dont think it is molly though [20:06] <Love4Fawkes> me*/ refuses to think about weasely deaths [20:06] <lothlorien> Is Molly a seer? I don't think so. She wouldn't need the family clock. [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> interesting that her twin brothers died in the first war [20:06] <DorisTLC> Well - if you think of Mary as the mother of Christ, and Molly is Mary - then who would be the "Christ" character [20:06] <Love4Fawkes> oops, mess that up [20:06] <DougD> Hi [20:06] <lothlorien> Hey Doug! [20:06] <DorisTLC> hey doug [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> Doris, Molly considers Harry a son, but I refuse to go there in my thinking [20:06] <Love4Fawkes> it was her twin brother? [20:06] <Aislinn> I don't see any of the weasleys as christ figures [20:06] <Love4Fawkes> oh, nvm read that wrong [20:07] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> that was confusing [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> hey, sophia! [20:07] <memyslfnI> I got it sooner, I agree [20:07] <lothlorien> Hi, Sophia40. [20:07] <fawkes28> wb, sophia [20:07] <Aislinn> ooh, sooner, I hope that is not the connection sad [20:07] <Sophia40> stupid lap top [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, moving off of this sad topic [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Some have speculated that the importance of the Grail or Cup in Arthurian legend means the Weasleys may have some connection that will enable Harry to find Hufflepuff's cup. Do you think this is the case? [20:07] <Aislinn> welcome back sophia [20:07] <memyslfnI> but with a willing sarifice by Harry, like christ, he will "come back" [20:07] <Sophia40> I had to get a different connection it took a while [20:07] <cbm> I think these are the hallows [20:07] <fawkes28> possibly Bill if it is in Gringotts [20:08] <lothlorien> Whoa! Never thought of that. [20:08] <memyslfnI> PP made me think of Miriam's cup [20:08] <Love4Fawkes> its is definately a possibility [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I love this connection because I think the cup is buried somewhere in Gringotts [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> and Bill is that connection [20:08] <Love4Fawkes> that could makes sense [20:08] <Love4Fawkes> sorry, that makes sense [20:08] <lothlorien> Wow! SoonerG, I love how your mind works! [20:08] <memyslfnI> oh, I thought that it would be fitting for neville to lead them to Hufflepuff's cup.. [20:09] <memyslfnI> but I like the bill thing! [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks lothlorien [20:09] <DorisTLC> I think it should be Neville too [20:09] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, I like that theory as well [20:09] <DorisTLC> he's pure like Galahad [20:09] <memyslfnI> his curse breaking skills need to ome to play soon [20:09] <Sophia40> I think Bill will be a good connection in the Gringotts front [20:09] <fawkes28> oh, that would be fitting, Me [20:09] <cbm> I think that it will be more than ron that will help Harry on his quest, I think DD should have called Bill for the cave for example, hopefully Harry will ask for help where needed [20:09] <Aislinn> yes, me, I think we will see them in the next book [20:09] <memyslfnI> did you know that Artur's spear was called Ron? [20:10] <Aislinn> we'll get there, me [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> and it would be fitting that the cup metaphorically representing the holy grail will be found via a Weaswley [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> we have a question on that Me [20:10] <memyslfnI> soory1 jumping ahead! [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> np smile [20:10] <lothlorien> I hate to leave, but I have to go> Thanks all for making my first chat fun. Bye! [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks lothlorien [20:10] <fawkes28> it's exciting though smile [20:10] <Aislinn> bye lothlorien [20:10] <memyslfnI> bye! [20:10] <cbm> An maye the twins can give him some tricks to keep him safe also [20:10] <fawkes28> bye - come again! [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> glad you could join us, lothlorien! [20:10] <cbm> bye [20:10] <Love4Fawkes> bye lothlorien, come again! [20:10] <Sophia40> bye [20:10] <DougD> What is the supposed connection between the weasleys and the grail? [20:11] <fawkes28> we are all just taking guesses [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> Gringotts and Bill [20:11] *** lothlorien has quit [Bye] [20:11] <ProngsPatronus> there is also another use of the Grail--or even Hufflepuff's cup [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> right, with the Hufflepuff cup representing the grail [20:11] <Love4Fawkes> Hufflepuff's cup can easily represent the grail [20:11] <ProngsPatronus> it was said that there were magical properties attached to Helga's cup--and there are to the Grail, too [20:12] <memyslfnI> absolutely! [20:12] <Love4Fawkes> its tying it to the weasleys that takes more though [20:12] <Love4Fawkes> thought [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> one of them is healing [20:12] <fawkes28> it will be interesting to see how the cup plays out [20:12] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [20:12] <DougD> OK, but what does that have to do with the weasleys? [20:12] <Love4Fawkes> sure will be fawkes [20:12] <fawkes28> it may be a weasley who helps track it down [20:12] <memyslfnI> I think so fawkes [20:12] <cbm> Maybe the weasleys are the knights of the round table and they will support Harry on his quest [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> it may be a weasley who needs to drink from the cup, too [20:12] <Sophia40> Or know more about it! [20:13] <Love4Fawkes> well maybe it will have nothing to do with the weaselys, but there are a couple weaselys that will surely help with the quest [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> William and Charles, Frederick and George are all names with royal associations, but not necessarily to Arthurian legend. Ron, however, is a different case. Ron (or Rhongowennan) was the name of King Arthur's spear. What comparison can be made to Ron Weasley and his role in the series? [20:13] <fawkes28> hopefully, that doesn't involve sacrifice, prongs [20:14] <fawkes28> without the spear, arthur would have a more difficult time - same with Harry - he needs Ron [20:14] <Love4Fawkes> lol, i guess i never knew arthur's spear had a name! [20:14] <cbm> good question, he has not had this role so far [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is super-cool that Ron is the name of his spear. However in this case, I thnk that "arthur" in this case is really Harry. Does that make sense? [20:14] <Sophia40> Well it is truly Ronald [20:14] <fawkes28> he wouldnt get as far as he has without Ron - like Arthur [20:14] <cbm> I like that fawkes! [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> I think in many ways, Ron is Harry's spear [20:14] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, I agree This post has been edited by fawkes28: May 30 2007, 08:33 PM |
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