WWW Chat Transcript 12/13/06, Love, both Wonderful and Terrible |
 Dec 13 2006, 09:22 PM
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Today's Text Chat Moderators were: Aislinn, Expelliarmas, Fawkes28, Futureweasley, Poet, and SoonerGryffindor.
[18:59] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [18:59] *** Topic is: Love, both Wonderful and Terrible [18:59] *** Topic set by fawkes28 [Thu Dec 7 20:19:15 2006] [19:00] *** HHr-till-the-end has joined #lounge [19:00] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [19:00] <HHr-till-the-end> hello! [19:00] <stewiegryf> hi all! [19:00] <Aislinn> Love, a many splendored thing [19:00] <fawkes28> welcome everyone smile [19:00] <Aislinn> hi folks smile [19:00] * HHr-till-the-end waves [19:01] <stewiegryf> how is everyone today/ [19:01] <Poet> hi HHr-till-the-end [19:01] <HHr-till-the-end> hi poet! [19:01] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:01] <stewiegryf> hi debbie! [19:01] <fawkes28> hi debbie [19:01] <DumbleDebbie> hey all smile [19:01] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:01] <Poet> hi SoonerGryffindor [19:01] <DumbleDebbie> Sooner!!! [19:01] <HHr-till-the-end> hi debbie! [19:01] <SoonerGryffindor> hey guys [19:02] <stewiegryf> hey sooner [19:02] <Aislinn> good evening smile [19:02] <HHr-till-the-end> hey sooner! [19:02] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [19:02] <fawkes28> hi alex [19:02] <HHr-till-the-end> hey aislinn! [19:02] <HHr-till-the-end> hi alex [19:02] <Alexk> hello [19:02] * SoonerGryffindor waves to everyone in the CB [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> we actually managed to make the same chat Sooner, seems like it's been weeks [19:03] * HHr-till-the-end waves [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it has been Debbie [19:03] * Alexk stalls for his orchestra concert that's in 30 ins [19:03] <HHr-till-the-end> yeah true [19:03] <Alexk> *mins [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> so has summer re-arrived in OK? [19:03] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:03] <fawkes28> hi, hf! [19:03] <Alexk> hey hf [19:04] <HHr-till-the-end> hey HF! [19:04] <harryfreak359> Hey everyone! smile [19:04] <Poet> Yes, seems like spring has returned [19:04] <Aislinn> hi harryfreak [19:04] <harryfreak359> How's everyone? [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> yes. summer is back [19:04] <HHr-till-the-end> good [19:04] <DumbleDebbie> LOL 2 days of winter and that's it ;) [19:05] <harryfreak359> summer...already? That's too quick. biggrin [19:05] <fawkes28> it is warmer here as well but i wouldn't call it summer smile [19:05] <HHr-till-the-end> LOL! smile [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> winter will come back [19:05] <Aislinn> way too quick! [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> we are just on a hiatus from it right now [19:05] <Alexk> would it be illegal to put the original hp soundtrack music on my website? (i know, it's a pretty duh question, but i just need to make sure~sorry for being off subject) [19:05] <stewiegryf> winter just got tired of the cold [19:05] <harryfreak359> I thought, Arizona winters were quick, apparently I thought wron [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> I'll have to keep an eye on the weather so I can tease you when OK is colder than Maine smile [19:05] <harryfreak359> wrong* [19:05] <Poet> yes [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I have no idea Alex [19:05] <Alexk> lol, ty poet [19:06] <Aislinn> I think it might be protected [19:06] <Alexk> freewebs is letting me, it just doesn't seem right [19:06] <Alexk> and i'm afraid to be sued [19:06] * fawkes28 dreams about taking a vacation to miami [19:06] <Poet> I believe there might be a certain number of seconds that you're allowed to use, but it might differ from copyright to copyright [19:06] <stewiegryf> I don't think it is as long as there isn't any money involved. If you're not sure, then I'd say just leave it off, alex. [19:07] <Aislinn> it's a reasonable fear [19:07] * HHr-till-the-end jonis fawkes's dream [19:07] <harryfreak359> I would have no idea, I don't put music on my sites...makes my computers freeze anyhow...but I could see that it is protected. [19:07] *** HPotterExpert2 has joined #lounge [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> go with your gut instinct Alex [19:07] <Alexk> lol [19:07] <HHr-till-the-end> *joins [19:07] <fawkes28> hi hpotterexpert [19:07] <Poet> Try wikipedia for info on copyrights? smile [19:07] <HPotterExpert2> hello! [19:07] <HHr-till-the-end> hey HPEX! [19:07] <harryfreak359> If you are worried about, Alex, then I wouldn't do it [19:07] <Alexk> (instinct's led me wrong oh too many times) [19:07] <HPotterExpert2> hi! [19:07] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:07] <harryfreak359> Hey Punky! [19:07] <fawkes28> hi punky [19:07] <HHr-till-the-end> lol biggrin [19:07] <Aislinn> Hi punky [19:07] <Alexk> hey punky! [19:07] <Punky> Hi guys! [19:07] <stewiegryf> If you don't trust your instincts, just use the force, [19:07] <HPotterExpert2> hello! [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> hi punky [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> lol stewie [19:08] <harryfreak359> Long time no see, Punky! [19:08] <Alexk> lol, yes [19:08] <HHr-till-the-end> hiya punky! [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> hi punky [19:08] <Punky> It's been awhile HF, yes! [19:09] <HHr-till-the-end> wow! long greetings! LOL! [19:09] <harryfreak359> lol [19:09] <Alexk> (i can't get into the coc, i get to the question marks, and then nothing) punky? [19:09] <HHr-till-the-end> me to alex [19:09] <Punky> I know, still down....soon hopefully it will be back [19:10] <Alexk> oh, it's down? ok [19:10] <Poet> Alexk - CoC announcements will be in the CoC forum [19:10] <HHr-till-the-end> okay! cool! [19:10] <Alexk> ok [19:10] <Alexk> thanks [19:11] <harryfreak359> This should be an interesting chat [19:11] <Alexk> lol [19:11] <Alexk> mmhmm [19:11] <fawkes28> yes, love is a great topic [19:11] * HHr-till-the-end grabs soda and popcorn [19:11] <harryfreak359> I can't remember if I voted for it or not...(sounds like one I would vote for, so I don't see why I wouldn't have) [19:12] <Alexk> me too also hf [19:12] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> hi AEN [19:12] <harryfreak359> Hello AEN [19:12] <HHr-till-the-end> hey night! [19:12] <Alexk> hi aen [19:12] <Aislinn> hi AEN [19:12] <An_Eternal_Night> hey all! [19:12] <fawkes28> hi AEN [19:13] * Alexk plays a short christmas tune on his violin and rushes out the door [19:13] <fawkes28> i am sometimes torn between a few choices when i vote [19:13] <Alexk> mustn't miss the concert [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> see ya Alex [19:13] <Alexk> bye everyone! [19:13] <Poet> good luck [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> have fun [19:13] <harryfreak359> bye Alex [19:13] <An_Eternal_Night> bye Alex [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> awwww, wish you could stay [19:13] <harryfreak359> good luck, have fun! [19:13] <Alexk> aww, thanks [19:13] <An_Eternal_Night> good luck! [19:13] * HHr-till-the-end falls asleep on keyboard after lack of sleep. [19:13] <Alexk> i'd only cause mischief anyway [19:13] <HHr-till-the-end> bye alex [19:13] <Alexk> ;) [19:13] <fawkes28> bye alex [19:14] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [19:14] * HPotterExpert2 is just as tired as HHr [19:14] <HHr-till-the-end> lol! [19:14] <fawkes28> testing [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> I see you fawkes [19:14] <harryfreak359> We see ya Fawkes [19:14] * HPotterExpert2 saw more of the inside of his eyelids than the inside of his school [19:14] *** BlixDude has joined #lounge [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1029064 [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi blix [19:14] <harryfreak359> lol [19:14] <BlixDude> Hi [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hey guys, can you do me a favor and vote? [19:15] <DumbleDebbie> okey dokey [19:15] <Poet> Nice. I love polls. [19:15] <HHr-till-the-end> sure! [19:15] <harryfreak359> Of course, Sooner, if I haven't already...I haven't been keeping track lately... sad [19:15] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [19:15] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:15] <SoonerGryffindor> you can comment later, as nobody has yet, but we need input [19:15] <harryfreak359> Ooh, a new one! [19:15] <An_Eternal_Night> I already voted- I won't be able to make it to the chat, if there is one, on Christmas Eve unfortunately [19:16] * HHr-till-the-end waiting and waiting..and waiting [19:16] <Aislinn> changing color for today's chat [19:16] * SoonerGryffindor might not be able to recognize when Aislinn types now laugh [19:16] <DumbleDebbie> Aislinn's in camoflague [19:16] <HHr-till-the-end> lol! [19:17] <DumbleDebbie> and Debbie can't spell worth beans [19:17] <harryfreak359> Nice color, Aislinn, it looks good on you. But I won't be able to recongnize you! smile [19:17] <Aislinn> biggrin [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> When Harry attempted to open one of the rooms in the Department of Mysteries using Sirius' knife which was supposed to open all doors - the knife melted. We later hear from Dumbledore that the power of this room is "at once more wonderful and terrible than death, than human intelligence, than the forces of nature." [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> This description is quite a powerful one - not just the lighthearted romantic feeling seen in Hallmark cards, but something much more profound and double edged. Let's discuss this most complex of emotions - Love. [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> The "ancient magic" that Lily invoked in her sacrifice for Harry was due to a strong emotion - love. Other spells, such as Expecto Patronum, Riddikulus and Crucio also seem to need to tap into the caster's emotions. Are emotions necessary for all spellwork, or is there something different about these types of magic? [19:18] <stewiegryf> Oh no...colors in the CB are like avatars on the Lounge...when they get changed, I get confused. [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry guys, had teck difficulties thre [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> everyone knows the rules right? [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> yessum [19:19] <harryfreak359> yup [19:19] <Punky> Yup [19:19] <BlixDude> I think emotion isn't needed but can be a huge factor [19:19] <stewiegryf> Yes ma'am [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> okay [19:20] <DumbleDebbie> I think the emotion behind the unforgivables and the love-based magic is essential [19:20] <HHr-till-the-end> don't forget avada kadavera smile (though i'm probibley wrong!) [19:20] <Poet> I agree that emotion isn't needed for most, but that emotion can make a spell more powerful [19:20] <BlixDude> For some spells yeah [19:20] <Punky> Agreed Debbie, for some things I think it's necessary [19:20] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think emotions are necessary for all types of spellwork; Occlumency, for instance, must be without emotion [19:20] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [19:20] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:20] <harryfreak359> I agree Debbie, emotion is what makes a spell powerful, [19:20] <DumbleDebbie> right, the humdrum everyday spells don't require it [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I think you need the emotion behind it [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> Harry's emotion certainly juiced up Sectumsepra [19:21] <Aislinn> behind any spell, sooner? [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> *Sectumsempra [19:21] <stewiegryf> But Occlumency isn't really a spell AEN, its more of a magical defense than an actual spell. [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> well, behind most of them [19:21] <Poet> Focus and practice seem to be enough for most spells [19:21] <fawkes28> testing [19:21] <harryfreak359> Yes, but the more difficult spells need emotion to make them powerful enough to use [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> hi fawkes, i see you [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> yay! Now you are showing up fawkes [19:22] <fawkes28> yay! smile [19:22] <Aislinn> I think that some type of emotion is needed for some of the most powerful spells, and even with less powerful ones, emotion seems to change the impact [19:22] <HHr-till-the-end> avada,creucio,and impeio (srry i can't spell if my life depended on it!) all need emotion hate,and mind i pretty sure thats what it is :0) [19:22] <Poet> I agree, any type of emotion can hurt or help certain spells. [19:23] <Aislinn> when Harry is feeling very strongly, his expelliarmus has more force to it [19:23] * HHr-till-the-end wants some of snuffles treat! [19:23] <harryfreak359> Good point Aislinn [19:24] <Punky> And magic is accidentally set off by emotion as well, as in the case with Harry and Marge [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think Lily need an incantation or was love enough to fuel the spell? Why? [19:24] <Poet> Good point [19:24] <harryfreak359> I think that love was enough to fuel that certain kind of magic/spell [19:25] <An_Eternal_Night> I don't think there was an incantation [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> I think her sacrifice automagically invoked the protection without her knowledge [19:25] <fawkes28> i think love was enough because it was an "old magic" [19:25] <HHr-till-the-end> maybe "protego"? but with such love it was enough it save harry? [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> hi Future! smile [19:25] <Poet> It's an ancient type of magic, so it's different from what is traditional done or taught [19:25] <harryfreak359> Hey Future! [19:26] <Punky> Hi FW [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think she used an actual spell [19:26] <futureweasley> hi guys [19:26] <An_Eternal_Night> hi future! [19:26] <HHr-till-the-end> HEYA FW [19:26] <futureweasley> sorry I'm late [19:26] <stewiegryf> hey future [19:26] <HPotterExpert2> FW! [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> me either Sooner [19:26] <harryfreak359> I agree, I don't think there was really a "spell" or "incantation" [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> she wouldn't have known that Voldy would offer her her life [19:27] <HHr-till-the-end> yeah my ideas are rubbish! [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was something that accidentally happened because her emotions were so high [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> and because her love was so great [19:27] <fawkes28> i dont think she had time to think [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [19:27] <fawkes28> she just reacted [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> and because Voldy offered her a way out and she didn't take it [19:27] <stewiegryf> I agree Sooner. Jo said that it was not something that happened before Lily did it. [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> if anything, she did the kind of magic that kids do before they know they are magical and it was accidental [19:27] <Poet> For instance, Jo mentioned that even stuff like potions has a magical component and a muggle couldn't make one and get the same results, so there are magics that don't involve words (or even thoughts of words) [19:27] <An_Eternal_Night> I definitely agree Sooner [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, that's neat maternal instinct magic smile [19:27] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [19:28] <stewiegryf> I agree...there is the same intense burst of emotion. [19:28] <Aislinn> it did seem to be pure emotion [19:28] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome NYB [19:28] <HHr-till-the-end> just like with aunt maruge(sp?) [19:28] <NYBookworm> hi [19:28] *** Priss has joined #lounge [19:28] <Aislinn> hi NYBookworm [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> like a mother instinctually throwning herself over her kids if a wall is crashing down on them [19:28] <fawkes28> hi NYB and priss [19:28] <Aislinn> hi priss [19:28] <HHr-till-the-end> hello! [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> hi NYB and Priss [19:28] <harryfreak359> Hi NYBookworm and Priss! [19:28] <An_Eternal_Night> hello NYB [19:28] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Priss [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome priss [19:28] <Aislinn> yes, debbie [19:29] <HHr-till-the-end> hiya priss and NYB! [19:29] <HPotterExpert2> futureweasley, you don't say hi? lol [19:29] <HHr-till-the-end> haha LOL! biggrin [19:29] <HPotterExpert2> am I chop liver? [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry and TOm have been compared to each other in terms of the similarities of being orphans and half bloods who didn't know of their magical identities until the age of 11. Why did they make such radically different choices about what kind of person to become? [19:29] <Poet> hmm [19:30] <HHr-till-the-end> where are ya FW [19:30] <futureweasley> I'm here... [19:30] <HPotterExpert2> yay! [19:30] <HHr-till-the-end> HI! [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> one has love in his heart and the other is rotten to the core [19:30] <futureweasley> HI!! [19:30] <harryfreak359> Well...they have had similar lives, yes, but they are completely different people [19:30] <Aislinn> I think that there is something inherently different in their make-up [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> hey future hug [19:31] <harryfreak359> Yes, I think that has something to do with it also, Aislinn [19:31] <fawkes28> right it depends on what is in their hearts and soul [19:31] <NYBookworm> Harry's parents loved him, and he had a year with them [19:31] <stewiegryf> Exactly...one is full of malice, one is full of hatred and greed. [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie, let us know how you really feel [19:31] <stewiegryf> err...one is full of love, the other with greed [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> you know me... always beating around the bush ;) [19:31] <Poet> Tom wanted something out of life - power and control. Why, I can't say, but he's not interested in having others love him - it seems. [19:31] <Aislinn> that did give him a foundation, NYB, but I think that he naturally has a more loving nature that he inherited from his parents [19:31] <harryfreak359> lol [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> somehow though I just cant imagine Harry not being who he is. There must be more to it than that year of being with his parents [19:32] <HHr-till-the-end> with harry and tomm they were both orphans (harry was as good as.) so the similarity i think is quiet strong (srry like i said can't spell!) [19:32] * HHr-till-the-end takes out a dictionary [19:32] <harryfreak359> I agree Poet, he wanted to be better than everyone else, Harry doesn't have that need...at all. He is popular, so he wants the opposite. [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> yes, there is something very different in Harry's spirit [19:33] <An_Eternal_Night> Tom wasn't an orphan until he killed his father [19:33] <Punky> I agree Sooner, I can't imagine him making other choices [19:33] *** HPotterExpert2 left #lounge [] [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> lol AEN, good point! [19:33] <HHr-till-the-end> true! sorry i just don't think sometimes! ohmy [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> oh the irony [19:33] <Aislinn> I agree too, sooner - I think that Harry was born with his gift for Love [19:33] *** Priss has quit [Bye] [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> testing [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> I see you Sooner [19:34] <harryfreak359> I agree too Aislinn [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> cool [19:34] <Poet> Harry cares about those around him and their feelings, but Tom does not. Perhaps orphanages bring out that personality in some people - love for only self. [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Did Lily's sacrifice influence Harry's choices? [19:34] <HHr-till-the-end> my color keeps changing! [19:34] <futureweasley> how could they not?! [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> not when he was younger, he didn't know about it [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> you mean unconsciously? [19:35] <Aislinn> I think that Harry is aware that she gave her life for him, and this must affect the way that he views the world [19:35] <harryfreak359> I think that it might have a little bit, I think that everything that happens to someone will influence their choices in some way [19:35] <fawkes28> i agree, hf [19:35] <Aislinn> yes, harryfreak, I agree [19:35] <Poet> He was protected by her love - protected on his actual skin. Perhaps that has been important in his personal development, not just in keeping him safe. [19:35] <HHr-till-the-end> i agree [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is more of a case that Harry has his mother's heart [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> now yeah, but before he knew he made a lot of good choices too [19:35] <futureweasley> how could Lily's sacrifice not influence Harry's choices? His mind runs to her everytime he's in distress. It's her strength and bravery that he draws from. [19:35] <An_Eternal_Night> I totally agree future [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> she was evidentally prone to sacrifice and I think Harry is as well [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> oh Harry's all over that [19:36] <futureweasley> right Sooner...he gets that "hero thing" from Lily [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> "saving everyone" [19:36] <harryfreak359> Oh yes, definitely, Sooner [19:36] <HHr-till-the-end> for peat's sake! will my colors stop changing! ( BTW who's peat? smile [19:36] <Aislinn> I think that she set a really powerful example for him, and I agree with future that it is something that comes to mind for him at critical points [19:36] <fawkes28> and harry also did not know what really happened until he was 11 and for him to turn out so well without even knowing what his mom did shows us a lot about his true character [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> HHR, you have to change your own colors, they dont change on their own [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> but when he ws younger than 11 how would his choices have been effected? [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> *affected [19:37] <HHr-till-the-end> okay hmm must be a bug on my PC it's been acting weird [19:37] <HHr-till-the-end> *lately [19:37] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> hi Expie [19:37] <Aislinn> I don't know that it would have impacted him prior to 11, debbie [19:37] <harryfreak359> Hi Expie! [19:37] <fawkes28> hi expie smile [19:37] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Expie [19:37] <HHr-till-the-end> OI,expie! [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Expie [19:37] <Aislinn> hey expie [19:37] <Expelliarmas> morning, everyone [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> that's what I was saying, I'm sure it affected him after he knew the true story [19:37] <futureweasley> hi expie [19:37] * HHr-till-the-end cheers as colors stop changing. [19:37] <fawkes28> right, debbie [19:38] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn, it wouldn't have it had as much influence on him until when he knew what would have happened. [19:38] <fawkes28> his character didn't change after he heard the true story [19:38] <HHr-till-the-end> true [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> and he made a lot of good choices prior to 11, like choosing to not use his 'abnormality' against other people [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> like say *cough*Tom*coug* [19:38] <An_Eternal_Night> Lily's sacrifice allowed him to make choices, by letting him have a life [19:39] <Aislinn> that is where I think that his innate loving nature comes into play, debbie [19:39] <futureweasley> he always had "hero" in him...but when he learned of her sacrifice, it effected him...brought that piece of his personality to the forefront [19:39] <HHr-till-the-end> this is off topic and is rubbish but wat if harry is a horcux? they have that bond..tongueonder: [19:39] <harryfreak359> i agree Future [19:40] <HHr-till-the-end> * tongueonder: [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Is love only a positive emotion? Have we seen any examples of the dark side of love in the books? [19:40] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:40] *** AnnaNoe has joined #lounge [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Merope [19:40] <Poet> Obsessive love [19:40] <NYBookworm> well there's merope [19:40] <HHr-till-the-end> my emo isn't working..i have the worst luck! [19:40] <futureweasley> hmmm, I was just thinking that Sooner and NYBook [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> depends on the kind of love [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Seems like that's what Tom was conceived with [19:40] <NYBookworm> oops too slow [19:40] <Expelliarmas> love can be obsessive and possessive, so it's not always positive [19:40] <Aislinn> yes, I think that Merope is a good example of the darker side of love [19:40] <stewiegryf> But is that really love? Merope's? [19:40] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> hi Anna [19:40] <futureweasley> good call expie [19:41] <Punky> Good point, obsessive love is very dangerous, Slughorn points that out with the love potion [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> not what I would call love Stewie [19:41] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [19:41] <futureweasley> hi CD [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi CD [19:41] <AnnaNoe> hiya [19:41] <Expelliarmas> even lavender and ron careened toward the negative [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I think that we can assume that Merope was obsessed with Tom Sr [19:41] <harryfreak359> Hi Carpe [19:41] <Poet> Sure, I think like other emotions, love can have amounts... [19:41] <CarpeDiem> Evening all! [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> and that obsessiveness led to darkness [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> Hi Carpe [19:41] <Punky> Hi Carpe [19:41] <harryfreak359> I agree Poet [19:41] <futureweasley> that wasn't "love" though...was it Expie? [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> I think Merope's emotion probably falls more under "lust" than "love" [19:41] <Expelliarmas> I think to lavender it was [19:41] <Aislinn> hi carpe [19:41] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Anna, hi Carpe [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Merope was just desperate [19:41] <futureweasley> but love for TRJr, Debbie? [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> very [19:42] <Aislinn> I think that people like Merope believe they are in love [19:42] <HHr-till-the-end> sorry fawkes! [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> it would not have mattered if he were good-looking or not, so I dont think lust had anything to do with it [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> not true love, a love potion can't generate true love [19:42] <fawkes28> thanks [19:42] <Expelliarmas> I think Merope was attracted by Tom, Sr's physical good looks and perhaps his air of cleanliness and that turned to obsession [19:42] <HHr-till-the-end> right "got it fawkes" [19:42] <Poet> If he'd loved her back we'd call it love. When it isn't reciprocated, but the love keeps up.... that's tricky for sure [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> sorry future, I missed your point.. Tom Jr? [19:42] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [19:42] <CarpeDiem> I would agree Aislinn...I would consider it a very odd sort of obsession, not love in anyones eyes but the obsessed. [19:43] <futureweasley> did Merope love Tom Jr? [19:43] <HHr-till-the-end> i agree aswell [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> no, she didn't [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Merope was too selfish to love her own child [19:43] <Expelliarmas> i don't think so, fw; certainly not enough to live [19:43] <stewiegryf> I agree Sooner. [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> she died because she didn't love him [19:43] *** AnnaNoe has quit [Bye] [19:43] <stewiegryf> I saw her as apathetic towards her son. [19:43] <futureweasley> there are complications during childbirth that could have made it impossible for her to live [19:43] <Expelliarmas> she died because she loved no one and felt herself unloved by anyone [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> all she could see was her own rejection by Tom Sr and decided then that she was going to die. She just waited till she had her baby [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> I'm pretty sure Jo has said she didn't love him [19:44] <Aislinn> I think that Merope had no examples of what it was to love, and didn't know how to feel it or express it in a healthy way [19:44] <An_Eternal_Night> I feel sorry for Merope... being brought up in such a horrible environment, it's no wonder that she did the things that she did [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> that is likely very true Aislinn [19:44] <CarpeDiem> The baby was the product of a failed obsession. To her it was the final reminder of something that could never be. I would assume it was that depression that killed her. [19:44] <Aislinn> I think she was also born without the genetic makeup to make it natural for her, as it is for Harry [19:44] <harryfreak359> Well, being raised in that family, it's not hard to see why though, Expie...I don't think anyone would have felt loved in that family at all. [19:44] <Expelliarmas> given her upbringing, it would be impossible for Merope to adjust to a healthy loving relationship [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point Aislinn [19:45] <HHr-till-the-end> wow i need to read HBP again i'm not following and i agree [19:45] <An_Eternal_Night> right Expie [19:45] <futureweasley> people can really die of a broken heart...good call CD [19:45] <CarpeDiem> Exactly Expie [19:45] <Poet> I think we can have any emotion toward a person without them having to have it back. You can love everything about a person.... [19:45] <Aislinn> yes, carpe, I completely agree [19:45] <harryfreak359> Yup, Expie, smile Exactly [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> yes, that's true future, but I don't think she gave a flying fig for her son [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> she cared enough to live long enough to have him and to get herself to an orphanage, but she decided ahead of time to abandon him by dying, I think [19:46] <CarpeDiem> Poet, do yout think she loved him then? [19:46] <Expelliarmas> being rejected by Tom, Sr. took her around the bend [19:46] <futureweasley> look at what she did to make sure Tom would have a life, a home...she lived in squalor to ensure that her child would be born healthy [19:46] <Poet> I do think she loved him. She wasn't loveable though, was the problem. [19:46] <DumbleDebbie> wasn't a long trip in that family Expie [19:46] <Poet> In my opinion. [19:46] <Expelliarmas> very true, DD [19:47] <Aislinn> I don't think she decided it, sooner - I think she just gave up on life [19:47] <stewiegryf> If she really loved him, don't you think she would have tried to live to be there for him? [19:47] <futureweasley> I don't think you just "choose" to die [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she knew she was going to die. She lost the will to live and lived just long enough to have him [19:47] <HHr-till-the-end> my qustion is why didn'y she die sooner because it was a a fake love between them [19:47] <Poet> Sorry, I was talking about Tom Sr., not Tom who became Voldemort. [19:47] <Aislinn> I think she was deeply depressed, and was not able to look beyond her own dispair [19:47] <futureweasley> had a baby, am terribly depressed...think it's time to die now [19:47] <futureweasley> ? [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> she lived long enough HHR to have Tom, then she died [19:48] <Expelliarmas> In her situation, I think love for her child was not enough (assuming she was capable of expressing such an emotion, which I doubt) [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> maybe it's a wizarding thing [19:48] <CarpeDiem> Postpartum depression can be an unimaginable experience. Perhaps hers started much earlier? [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> but postpartum within the hour? [19:48] <stewiegryf> You can lose the will to live, though. [19:48] <Aislinn> that's an interesting point, carpe [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point Carpe. Pregnancy hormones stink [19:48] <futureweasley> yeah, CD, at her own birth, perhaps? [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:48] <An_Eternal_Night> lol [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> its a good point actually [19:48] <HHr-till-the-end> lol sooner [19:48] <futureweasley> look at how her father and brother treated her...it was bad [19:48] <CarpeDiem> Ooh...interesting point future! [19:48] <Aislinn> I imagine she was in despair from the moment that Tom Sr left her [19:48] <CarpeDiem> I would say her mind was made up when he left...exactly Aislinn [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> yes, and she was already prone to mental illness (re: the rest of the Gaunts) [19:49] <Expelliarmas> I imagine she was in despair from about 2 minutes after she was born ... [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> There are 3 different types of love described in ancient Greek philosophy: eros philia, agape. Let's look at each of them. The first one is eros, or romantic love. Is this type of love relevant to the story? [19:49] <Poet> I agree Expelliarmas that love for a child who is just born and you don't really "know" yet is not enough [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [19:49] <CarpeDiem> She did what she could to make sure the baby was in good hands but was not prepaed to live any longer than necessary [19:49] <Expelliarmas> not for her, Poet [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> for the shipper it is ;) [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely [19:49] <Aislinn> yes, debbie smile [19:49] <Punky> lol Debbie [19:49] <An_Eternal_Night> yes, it's relevant [19:49] <NYBookworm> smile [19:49] <Expelliarmas> It has been hinted at and will likely play a stronger role in book 7 [19:49] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> its the love that brought all of the couples together [19:49] <stewiegryf> Gotta run everyone. Hopefully I can make it back in a while. [19:49] <futureweasley> oh good grief...it's the underbelly of the story [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> hi adam [19:50] <adamgryff> hi eveyone! [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> bye stewie [19:50] <Expelliarmas> night, stewie [19:50] <harryfreak359> Bye Stewie! [19:50] <HHr-till-the-end> i'm kinda changing the sub (to lilly) i would think that lilly would have live because she gave her life for harry but again i'm wrong [19:50] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> hey adam! [19:50] <harryfreak359> hi Adam! [19:50] <Poet> I don't think it's strongly relevant. I think it has a place, that it's necessary because Jo wants to tie up loose ends. [19:50] <BlixDude> Well I think it might be in Book 7, perhaps Harry'll have to save Ginny [19:50] <HHr-till-the-end> or hermy? hermionegranger [19:50] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I think romantic love is a normal and relatable emotion in everyone's life. good or bad most know what love is or should be like. [19:50] <Poet> And all types of love will be important [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think it's vital. I think it's something to make the story more interesting [19:50] <BlixDude> No, not Hermy [19:50] <BlixDude> NEVER Hermy [19:51] <harryfreak359> I agree Debbie [19:51] <futureweasley> I think it's crucial [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> it is very critical [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> I think sacrificial love is the ultimate key [19:51] <futureweasley> it's a huge part of life...and why you do what you do [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> we have seen Harry himself experience all types of love but this until Ginny [19:52] <BlixDude> Bye guys to busy to participate [19:52] <fawkes28> !kb hhr-till-the-end [19:52] <Aislinn> I think that Jo shows that romantic love is an important part of life, an it is part of what Harry needs to experience as part of being able to Live, as referred to in the prophecy [19:52] <Poet> I think because Harry's power is love, that Jo needed to include all types of love, and more than one example of each. [19:52] *** BlixDude left #lounge [] [19:52] <CarpeDiem> Maybe not critical but it certainly makes the writing more appealing. Especailly for the age group she is writing about. [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> right CD [19:52] * futureweasley is a shipper through and through [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> oh don't we know it future! biggrin [19:53] <adamgryff> lol yes you are future [19:53] <An_Eternal_Night> would we find the story realistic if romantic love wasn't relevant to it? I don't think so [19:53] *** HeidiBug has joined #lounge [19:53] <futureweasley> just call me a hopeless romantic...I'm ok with that. H/G and R/Hr are 2 of my favorite storylines [19:53] <CarpeDiem> lol the first step is admitting you have a problem, FW smile [19:53] <harryfreak359> yes, Future, we all know [19:53] <fawkes28> hi heidi [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> I just think romantic love is fluff and not the real deal [19:53] <HeidiBug> hello [19:53] *** HHr-till-the-end has joined #lounge [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> hi heidi [19:53] <CarpeDiem> Hi HeidiBug [19:53] <HeidiBug> what is the topic? [19:53] <Aislinn> what do you mean not the real deal, debbie? [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> it's not the key to ridding the world of Voldy [19:54] <harryfreak359> I think so too...though it really depends on what you define "romantic" love. As everything does.. [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> that's not the "love" in the "love room" [19:54] <futureweasley> it could be Debbie...we don't know [19:54] <CarpeDiem> Heidi - right now we're talking about the importance of the "romantic" type of love in the HP Series. [19:54] <Aislinn> well, no, I don't think that it is, but I think it is as valid and important a type of love as any of the other types [19:54] <Expelliarmas> romantic love is every bit as bonding as any other love [19:54] <futureweasley> it could be all the sorts of love wrapped into one [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> I think real love goes way deeper than 'romantic love' [19:54] <futureweasley> I agree Expie [19:54] <HeidiBug> thanks CarpeDiem [19:54] <harryfreak359> I agree Debbie [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> romantic love is real! [19:55] <Expelliarmas> and can be as destructive as any other type of love [19:55] <Aislinn> yes [19:55] <futureweasley> romantic love and Real Love can be one in the same...every instance is different [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> I'm thinking the fluffy puppy love stuff with these kids [19:55] <Poet> That's what I'm thinking future. Besides we know from Jo's interview with Melissa and Emerson that the DoM is for studying. I assume they study all types of love in that room. [19:55] <harryfreak359> Real, yes, Sooner, but a different kind of love, than...other love. [19:55] <futureweasley> "Fluffy puppy love"?!?!?! [19:55] <An_Eternal_Night> I am sure it is extremely important to the characters, as it is extremely important to us [19:55] * futureweasley is shocked and amazed [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> when I think of romantic love, I think of the kind of love Molly and Arthur have [19:55] <harryfreak359> LOL [19:55] <Expelliarmas> well, Arthur and Molly were quite young when they fell in love and then married [19:55] <futureweasley> right Expie [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> I think romantic love can be an expression of a deeper love, but it's not 'true love' in and of itself [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I would definitely not call that not real [19:56] <Aislinn> romantic love is the sum of the feelings that one feels for their partner, or soul mate - it incorporates affection, lust, empathy, caring, sharing [19:56] <futureweasley> and Snape and Petunia were very young when they fell in love, too [19:56] *** Shard has joined #lounge [19:56] <fawkes28> hehe [19:56] <Punky> Or the type I think James and Lilly shard, and lol fw [19:56] <Poet> great definition [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> I'm not expressing myself well. [19:56] <Expelliarmas> I would think that's pretty deep [19:56] <futureweasley> hi shard [19:56] <harryfreak359> Yes, but I think that their love has gone deeper than "romantic" love [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Aislinn, in my opinion the only love stronger than romantic love is love for your child [19:56] <Shard> Hi FW! [19:56] <fawkes28> hi shard [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> hi shard [19:56] <harryfreak359> I know what you mean, Debbie, I am trying to say the same thing, I think smile [19:56] <CarpeDiem> Hi shard [19:56] <adamgryff> hi shard [19:56] <Expelliarmas> heya, Shard [19:56] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, depending on the relationship [19:56] <harryfreak359> hi Shard [19:56] <Shard> Hi Sooner, Fawkes, EVERYONE!! lol [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:56] <Aislinn> hi shard [19:57] <Shard> Hi Aislinn! [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> The next type of love described by the ancient Greeks was philia - it is considered the love of family - parent to child, sibling to sibling, etc. Does Harry have a chance to experience this type of love? [19:57] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Petunia :p [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the Weasleys have done this [19:57] <Shard> Harry has experioenced that love with Ron and Hermione [19:57] <Aislinn> I think he is able to experience it with the weasleys [19:57] <Shard> Yes Sheri [19:57] <futureweasley> I think that it does depend on the relationship. But I look at Ron and Hermione...all they've gone through together thus far and what they will face going forward together. If they end up "together", that's certainly The "real deal" [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol shard [19:57] <DumbleDebbie> yes, the Weasleys have definitely become a surrogate family [19:57] <fawkes28> i think you are right, aislinn [19:58] <CarpeDiem> I think Harry experienced this with not only Dumbledore but also Serius. [19:58] <An_Eternal_Night> Harry has substituted Ron and Hermione for his family; I'm sure he feels love for them, and vice versa [19:58] <harryfreak359> Yes, even though his parents are not alive, i think he realizes what this kind of love is, with his experiences with the weasleys and perhpas Sirius [19:58] <Shard> Molly "He's as Good As!!(A son)" [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I love that line [19:58] <Aislinn> I love when molly says that he might as well be her son, for the way she feels about him, at the beginning of OotP [19:58] <Shard> Me too! [19:58] <harryfreak359> Me too [19:58] <fawkes28> sirius, is another good example [19:58] <futureweasley> Shard, I bawl at that [19:58] <Shard> I SO hope it's in the movie [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> there is also the love that he had with Sirius [19:58] <futureweasley> Sirius is another great example [19:58] <Shard> *nod* I know what you mean FW [19:58] <DumbleDebbie> but Ron and Hermione, I think, are the real deal and have that sacrificial deep love for each other that they would die for each other [19:58] <Shard> the Weasley's are his family [19:58] <Poet> Great example Carpe. I agree that Dumbledore had a type of parently love for Harry [19:58] <CarpeDiem> I agree shard [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> a romantic love without the deeper sacrifical aspect is what I meant by fluff [19:59] <Shard> Definelty, Sirius was a Father figure for Harry [19:59] <fawkes28> they are his family blood doesn't mean everything [19:59] <Expelliarmas> For DD, Harry was as close as a grandson [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good one as well Carpe. although I see DD as more of a grandfatherly figure [19:59] * futureweasley winks at Debbie [19:59] <futureweasley> gotcha [19:59] <harryfreak359> Yes, Debbie, smile [19:59] <futureweasley> I understand now [19:59] <Aislinn> Harry has had a number of father figures, and I think all of them have experienced philial love for Harry [19:59] * DumbleDebbie wipes the sweat from her brow [19:59] <harryfreak359> that was what I was trying to say too! Hehehe [19:59] <fawkes28> i think lupin definitely has [19:59] <CarpeDiem> Would Ron be a brother love as well? Hermione a sister? [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> Hermione is sort of like a sister to him as well [19:59] <futureweasley> I think that Harry also feels "brotherly love" for Ron and Hermione...likely for MOST of the Weasley clan [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> but Lupin holds a lot of himself back [20:00] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [20:00] <Shard> Dumbledore even challewnged anyone who knows HArry not to love him [20:00] <futureweasley> yes CD, exactly [20:00] <CarpeDiem> Good FW! [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Carpe [20:00] <Shard> Yes Lupin and Arthur are held back [20:00] <Aislinn> I think that Molly would sacrifice herself for Arthur, and that theirs is still a romantic love debbie [20:00] <Shard> Both Lupin and Arthu treat Harry like almost an equal [20:00] <futureweasley> look at how he is with Fred and George...it's obvious that there is more than just "friendly affection" there...he really cares for them [20:00] <DumbleDebbie> but it's not just romantic, it's so much more than that [20:00] <Shard> They don't patronize him or tell him to hide but in fact to know what he is facing [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> the fact that Molly saw Harry in her dead family boggart shows where he fits in [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> that's the problem with English... only one word for love [20:01] <harryfreak359> Yes, but is just that just romantic love there or another love as well, Aislinn? [20:01] <Expelliarmas> Through the Weasley's, Harry has been the recipient of such love and seen it first hand [20:01] <futureweasley> yes Sooner [20:01] <Shard> Fred and George would welcome him as a brother in law [20:01] <An_Eternal_Night> right Sooner [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> yes, definitely Sooner, she sees him like a son [20:01] * Shard wistles innocently [20:01] <Expelliarmas> Even Hagrid has served as a pseduo-Uncle type for Harry [20:01] <harryfreak359> Yes, Sooner [20:01] <futureweasley> the Weasleys are his family...they are. He loves them as much as they love him. [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> awww, expie, you are right [20:01] <HeidiBug> I agree, future [20:01] <Shard> I think Harry has experienced MOST of the types of loves [20:01] <harryfreak359> I agree Guture [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> cute Expie [20:01] <Aislinn> I think it is primarily romantic harryfreak [20:01] <harryfreak359> Future* [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> but Aislinn you said they'd die for one another which makes it sacrificial (like Lily for Harry) [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that the Dursleys have any of this type of love for Harry? [20:02] <Shard> Harry has had sibling love from Ron and Hermione, Fatherly from Sirius, DD, Motherly from Molly. [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> NO [20:02] <Aislinn> Lily's was a mother's love - a philial love [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> wouldn't that be a shocker!?! [20:02] <fawkes28> great question! [20:02] <Shard> Petunia *MIGHT* have love but I am not going to hold my breath [20:02] <adamgryff> no, I don't [20:02] <futureweasley> oh, I do [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> who? [20:02] <HeidiBug> I think Aunt Petunia might, but she holds back [20:03] <Aislinn> I don't think that Vernon or Dudley do, but possible Petunia [20:03] <CarpeDiem> From the story line we see I don't think we've seen a familial type of love from the Dursleys. [20:03] <fawkes28> i think petunia on some level somewhere very very deep down care about harry but not love [20:03] <Punky> Petunia might have more emotion toward harry but I wouldn't call it love [20:03] <Shard> Petunia may be holding back her love because of her hatred of Magic [20:03] <An_Eternal_Night> deep inside (very, very deep), I think that Petunia might have this kind of love for him [20:03] <Shard> Petunia DID take him in afterall [20:03] <Expelliarmas> Actually, no I don't think so; they could've had it initially, but once they decided to "stamp" the magic out of him, the path was set [20:03] <harryfreak359> I agree AEN [20:03] <CarpeDiem> Good point Punky...if she doesn't express it can it still be called love? [20:03] <Shard> I just hope it wasn't because of Blackmail as some theorize [20:03] <futureweasley> I actually think that Vernon has displayed the only form of "love" he knows how for Harry. He is quite protective of him [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> but it wasn't just philio, it was agape too (selfless love) [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> Lily I mean [20:04] <Aislinn> it is wasted love if it is not expressed, carpe - good point [20:04] <Aislinn> we'll get there debbie [20:04] <Expelliarmas> We don't know enough of what was in the letter to get her to take Harry; perhaps the magic extended to protect the household [20:04] <Shard> Vernon is too sefrlish to know what love is [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Vernon loves his family very much -- problem is that he doenst consider Harry family [20:04] <fawkes28> people express love in different ways though [20:04] <Shard> That may be Expe [20:04] <Poet> I think Petunia might have had some love for Harry, but when you hold emotions in they can die. [20:04] <Shard> Yeah Sooner your right, but he's still a jerk [20:04] <Aislinn> yes, I agree sooner - I think Vernon does love his family [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> and he sees Harry as a threat, which is one reason he treats him so horribly [20:05] <Aislinn> but I don't think he at all includes Harry as being a member of his family [20:05] <fawkes28> but when they wanted to "stamp out [20:05] <futureweasley> you are right...but I do think that Vernon has tried to protect Harry from al the "evils" that magic would bring. He still fights it everyday...not because magic is "abnormal", but because he's acting as a "pseudo-shield" for Harry [20:05] <Shard> Harry might as well gone to live with the Dursley's for all the good it did him to live there [20:05] <Expelliarmas> I agree Sooner, if Vernon had considered Harry family it would have been very different [20:05] <fawkes28> but when they wanted to "stamp out" the magic, wasn't that a form of love? [20:05] <Punky> But fw, was that to protect harry or himself? [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that if Harry were not magical, there might have been a better chance as well [20:06] <futureweasley> I think both, Punky [20:06] <Expelliarmas> it might have been initially, fawkes, but it soon turned to abuse and indifference [20:06] <Aislinn> I think it was more to protect himself and his family, punky [20:06] <Shard> It's like saying "I want to stamp out your gayness" It's just as bad and wrong to say [20:06] <fawkes28> they loved him enough to not want him to get himself killed like lily and james [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry being magical represents danger to the family, and Vernon cant have that [20:06] <CarpeDiem> So what emotion has kept them "looking after" Harry all these years then? Is it fear? Perhaps they do love him? [20:06] <fawkes28> but maybe that is the only way petunia knew how to express her feelings for harry [20:06] <Expelliarmas> I don't think that was done out of love; it was done to prove they could [20:06] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I think we will learn more about it in the next book [20:06] <Aislinn> it seemed like fear when Petunia reacted to the howler she got from Dumbledore [20:06] <Shard> Acceptance is what alot of people need to learn actually, maybe something Harry needs as well [20:07] <CarpeDiem> I'm looking forward to that too Sooner [20:07] <Aislinn> and I'm dying to learn what that was all about [20:07] <An_Eternal_Night> I certainly don't think that Dudley feels philial love for Harry [20:07] <HeidiBug> I think love will be a BIG theme in the next book [20:07] <futureweasley> I think that the fear the Dursleys feel is so palpable, they just don't know what to do with themselves. No other emotion that they have comes close to measuring up to their fears [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> What other examples of philia do we have in the books? [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> I think the fear was for her own family's safety, not Harrys (although that woudl be a neat surprise) [20:07] <CarpeDiem> Yes, and when she heard 'dementor' too, Aislinn. There's more there that we need to know [20:07] <Aislinn> agree, Heidi [20:07] <Shard> Love is going to be very big [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Shard [20:07] <Shard> Friendship [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry and Hermione [20:07] <futureweasley> the Weasleys have adopted Hermione as well [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> the Order of the Phoenix is a brotherhood, so the members of that [20:08] <Shard> Narcissa loves her Son, if that is what the questino is asking [20:08] <futureweasley> minus Dung, maybe? [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Shard [20:08] <futureweasley> lol [20:08] <An_Eternal_Night> right Shard [20:08] <HeidiBug> I think the Malfoys love each other [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> lol, or someone else future [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Heidi [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> wink [20:08] <Aislinn> yes, Shard - narcissa is a good example [20:08] <Expelliarmas> We have Hagrid's love for Harry [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> Hagrid loving Grawp [20:08] <Expelliarmas> we also have Narcissa's love for Draco [20:08] <CarpeDiem> I think the Weasleys are the greatest example of philia in the book [20:08] <Aislinn> yes, expie - he treats him like a member of the family [20:08] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid's love of animals/monsters [20:09] <futureweasley> Bella and LV (no, that's not a ship...Bella loves LV, and not romantically) [20:09] <fawkes28> and many other people's love for harry - he sure does have a lot of love surrounding him [20:09] <Shard> Yes Hagrid would sacrifice everything for his brother, he's been without familly for a long time [20:09] <Poet> Yes, Hagrid really loved his brother to put up with getting hurt to help him [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> it makes you wonder if there is that kind of love between Bella and Narcissa [20:09] <Shard> FW: I don't know I think she'd have his baby if he asked, not that I did that in Sims 2 or anything....... [20:09] <futureweasley> Snape and himself? [20:09] <futureweasley> does that qualify? [20:09] <Shard> lol [20:09] <Expelliarmas> well, Bella sure did try to keep Narcissa from getting the wrath of LV [20:09] <Aislinn> there must be some form, sooner, the way that Bella followed Narcissa to Spinner's End [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> lol future [20:09] <Shard> Snape did know what it is to love [20:09] <fawkes28> but bella's "love" borders on obsessive [20:09] <Shard> So it may have been his mother, or father [20:09] <CarpeDiem> I think the idea of Hogwarts could be used as an example to. To take in these children and teach and mold them. It is (or should be) a huge family there. [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape and his mother [20:10] <Expelliarmas> Draco's love for his own family [20:10] <futureweasley> that's not canon, yet, Sooner [20:10] <Aislinn> yes, carpe - I think that Dumbledore shows philial love for his students [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I also wonder if we are going to find out anything about Regulus and Sirius This post has been edited by fawkes28: Dec 13 2006, 10:22 PM |
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