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A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. <ProngsPatronus> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules <ProngsPatronus> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! <ProngsPatronus> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! <fawkes28> We've seen in the Harry Potter series how jealousies and petty differences can spell the end of friendships. Fortunately for our heroes, such as Harry and the trio, usually dramatic events unfold in the plot that allow them to set aside their hurts and forgive and forget. <fawkes28> For some characters their rivalries run much deeper since they are borne out of the struggle between good and evil, the purely selfish and those whose hearts are pure (or are trying to be pure!) <fawkes28> We don't yet know what power love might have to overcome these deeper rivalries in the last installment of the books, so for tonight we pause to take a glimpse into jealousy and rivalry and how it drives the characters in the Harry Potter series. <fawkes28> What are some events that have contributed to the rivalry between Draco and Harry & the trio? <nympheart> one of the first things Draco said to Harry was an insult about Harry's only friend at the time <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think Draco was raised to hate the Weasley's... it isn't until Harry chooses Ron over Draco that the rivalry is truly formed <Wierdgirl5834> the whole mudblood thing <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Draco was willing to be friends with Harry, until Harry CHOSE not to smile <Wierdgirl5834> choosing ron to be a friend <nympheart> Harry's a Gryffindor and knows he's not supposed to like Slytherins, and vice versa <cbm> I think it started with Draco's attitude and went downhill from there <FireboltPhoenix> Yes, definitely... and the fact that Draco wanted to choose Harry's friends for him at first <Wierdgirl5834> Let's see..um the whole Hagrid Buckbeak execution <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, cbm.... the instant mental reminder of Dudley <nympheart> and Norbert too, wg <cbm> I would not be friends with someone like draco, so I think he made the perfect decision <Aislinn> totally agree, cbm <Wierdgirl5834> oh and the inquisitorial squad <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if he hadn't been raised by the Dursley's, Harry might not have had such a reaction <Aislinn> Harry was able to see what type of person he was right from the beginning <nympheart> yes, chocolate, Draco is similar to Dudly in that they're both spoiled brats <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly, aislinn... other kids might see it as cool <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but harry sees through it <Aislinn> INsulting Hagrid, and then Ron, sealed Harry's opinion <Sophia40> Dudley has had a rivalry with harry from the get go <Wierdgirl5834> and then the midnight duel that never occured in book 1 <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, i love that chapter, weird <Aislinn> Why in Book 6 did Draco think Snape wanted to steal his glory? Is this a common problem amongst Death Eaters - competing for the nonexistent position of Voldemort's "favorite"? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> wierdgirl... lol, weird is an awkward nickname <Sophia40> So anyone who reminded Harry of him would not have stood a chance any way <cbm> He wanted to be #1 <nympheart> I would think that would happen a lot with the DEs <FireboltPhoenix> I would say that competition is a big thing among DEs <Aislinn> yes, and with a Slytherin <ProngsPatronus> I think there is much jostling for position in the DE camp *** Punky has joined #lounge <nympheart> Draco's a spoiled only child, he always needs to be on top <Aislinn> the song says they are of great ambition <Aislinn> hi punky <FireboltPhoenix> And that's probably why the majority of DEs are Slytherins, I think <nympheart> hello punky <ProngsPatronus> hey, punky <Punky> Hi all <Wierdgirl5834> yeah just look at Bellatrix, she always brags about being Voldemort's fav, so it is likely for draco to think that <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I'd say bellatrix helped change his view of Snape, too... she sees Snape as a rival, and then became Draco's teacher <cbm> He wants glory, but he does not want to do the work to get there, he just wants to use his family to get ahead <Sophia40> I wonder what rewards there are to being LV favorite <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too, Sophia <ProngsPatronus> I don't know about that, firebolt--Gryffindors are pretty competitive, too <nympheart> Draco has finally found something his daddy can't buy for him <Wierdgirl5834> oh yeah <FireboltPhoenix> Competitive, yes, but the way I see it, Slytherins are definitely of that dog-eat-dog, every man for himself mentality <Wierdgirl5834> bellatrix has been a bad influence! <Aislinn> yes, firebolt, and the ones that would be attracted to the Death Eaters would probably have that tendency even more <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't know if draco was really in for it for the glory to begin with... i think he was more concerned about the fact that he was the last line of defense for the Malfoy family before Voldemort just wiped them out <ProngsPatronus> I think much of the competiveness is started by LV himself <Sophia40> nympheart You don't think Snape hasn't already sold his soul <ProngsPatronus> to keep them off-balance <FireboltPhoenix> That's a definite possibility, Prongs <Aislinn> that's probably true, prong <Aislinn> s <FireboltPhoenix> And a good strategy by Voldemort to keep control <cbm> choco, I do not think it started like that, but I think he was scared by the end <ProngsPatronus> plus, evil has its own dynamic <ProngsPatronus> trust is not a big part of that <Aislinn> Is Snape jealous of Harry? What are some events that have contributed to a rivalry between the two of them? <Wierdgirl5834> nope jealous of james <Wierdgirl5834> not harry <nympheart> to snape it's almost the same thing <FireboltPhoenix> I don't know... I kind of think that Snape is jealous of Harry in some twisted way <Aislinn> I think he is jealous of the attention that Harry gets <nympheart> I think he's jealous of Harry's popularity, just like he was of James <Sophia40> Snape has mentioned that Harry is like his father so i think the jealousy for James has carried over to harry from Snape <Aislinn> especially from Dumbledore <Wierdgirl5834> Yeah see it all goes back to James. He's jealous of James, and his rivalry has passed on to Harry. <nympheart> the pensieve was a major event contributing to their rivalry <ProngsPatronus> I think Snape is jealous of the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore <FireboltPhoenix> Oh yeah, I definitely agree about the attention and the popularity. <fawkes28> Snape is jealous that harry gets away with him - it irks him big time <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think Snape is intensely jealous of Harry, but that's because I think Snape was trying to kill Voldemort himself, even before spying for the order. He might have told the prophecy to voldemort hoping he'd send Voldemort to his death? If he found out he wasn't the one to kill Voldemort (maybe because of a personal vendetta) I can see how he'd be very jealous <nympheart> i think Harry knowing that Snape was on the bottom rung of the ladder was a blow to Snape *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge <Aislinn> hi Me <ProngsPatronus> hey, M! <Wierdgirl5834> hello <nympheart> hi me <memyslfnI> hi! <FireboltPhoenix> hello <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Snape is a slytherin, and i can see that if he wanted to get rid of Voldemort himself, like for revenge, he'd be VERY angry if he wouldn't be able to do it himself <Sophia40> hi*waving <ProngsPatronus> we are talking about whether Snape is jealous of harry <fawkes28> hey Me <cbm> I am having a hard time with the right word to describe the relationship between Harry and Snape, Snape is jealous, but at the same time feels he is superior to Harry <fawkes28> i think one of the best examples of jealously throughout the series is Snape being jealous of Harry <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree, cbm... he feels superior, and yet if Snape knows the prophecy is about Harry, he knows that his superiority means nothing <ProngsPatronus> I see it as something like two apprentices--and one is much older than the other, but the younger gets more attention <Wierdgirl5834> it's called "I loath you" "You loath me" "We're a hating family" *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge <nympheart> hi NYB <NYBookworm> hi <Wierdgirl5834> whoops i spelled loathe wrong <Aislinn> How did some of the rivalries and slight jealousies that Sirius was dealing with affect the decisions he made in Book 5? <ProngsPatronus> hi, NYB! <FireboltPhoenix> This is an interesting question... and I think they made a huge impact on his decisions <nympheart> he felt the need to show Snape that he was not worthless to the Order <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> his rivalry with his family determined how he treated Kreacher, which turned out to be a big mistake <Wierdgirl5834> Well like Harry says it - it's all Snape's fault. <Sophia40> He was goaded again by Snape <Aislinn> I actually don't see the struggles that Sirius had in book 5 as jealousies, but as frustrations about feeling trapped <cbm> It made him very protective of Harry against Snape <Wierdgirl5834> course it did *** Sophia40 has quit [Bye] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree cbm... that warmed my heart a little * chocolateisnotforbreakfast loves protective men <Wierdgirl5834> oh god <Aislinn> it was great the way he stood up for Harry when Snape came by to talk about the Occlumency lessons <nympheart> and in a different way against Molly, cbm <memyslfnI> I always felt that Sirius was depressed. Like a wolf would be if it was caged. He went from one cage to another. Because of this he allowed Snape to get to him. <Aislinn> yes, M, exactly <Wierdgirl5834> oh it's a simile! <ProngsPatronus> good point, M <FireboltPhoenix> That's a good point, too. Sirius wasn't exactly in the greatest of mental shape. <ProngsPatronus> it was like one long, unpleasant flashback <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> You'd think Dumbledore would be able to hide Sirius somewhere other than Grimmauld Place, where he knew that Sirius was stuck with his mother and Kreacher... If the Sorcerer's Stone can hide at Hogwarts, I think Sirius would be able to, also <memyslfnI> He was meant to be wild and free, and his anamagus shape shows us this. I can see him pacing around the kitchen og 12 G Place...back and forth <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, me <chocolateisnotforbreakfast>  poor snuffles<ProngsPatronus> with poor Buckbeak--who was imprisoned, as well <Aislinn> I don't think he decided to hide him at Grimmauld place, chocolate. sirius offered the place as headquarters <Wierdgirl5834> He could hide in a muggle place! Jeez, why didn't dumbledore think of that! <ProngsPatronus> I think DD hid him there because the place was Unplottable <ProngsPatronus> and his first thought was to protect Sirius <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> boooo <Wierdgirl5834> still it hurt sirius <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol <nympheart> in that respect, me, Sirius was jealous of Harry's "freedom," which made him more reckless as well * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat <Aislinn> I think he recommended that Sirius stay there, but it was Sirius who initiated it, by offering the place up for use <ProngsPatronus> maybe not jealous, but envious, certainly <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, nymph.... almost trying to goad harry into recklessness on Sirius' behalf <Aislinn> Are there similarities between the rivalry of Draco & the trio (especially Harry) and Snape & the Marauders (especially James)? <Wierdgirl5834> sorta <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yes, but snape is more similar to Harry and james is more similar to draco <nympheart> I think so, DD made the comparison in SS <memyslfnI> the old vs. the new... But Harry is NOT James <Wierdgirl5834> But Draco isn't greasy haired, and Harry is not conceited <Wierdgirl5834> so there you go <cbm> Snape is in no way simular to Snape in the way he treats people <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> harry's got some goofy hair <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol <fawkes28> i think their relationship is similar <FireboltPhoenix> There are similarities... but there are differences, too. Draco's hatred of the trio is more of a... racial... issue. <nympheart> lol, wierdgirl <cbm> Harry is <cbm> Harry is in no way simular to Snape in the way he treats people <memyslfnI> The rivalry between the tensions that started the first war and the second war are the same <fawkes28> i do think that snape and james' was much more serious than harry and draco's <nympheart> purity of blood is a common issue in both cases as well as Houses <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Harry can be very opinionated, though... he's dictated by his gut reaction to people, which can be detrimental, too. not as toxic as Snape's treatment of people, but Harry's not completley noble in how he sees everyone <Wierdgirl5834> The main difference is that Draco is good looking and Snape wasn't. Plus there was a girl - lily involved. <ProngsPatronus> I agree, M <cbm> Draco and Snape are the same in that they are both jealous of potters <Wierdgirl5834> oh yes <nympheart> from what we've seen, Snape had to stand up to the Marauders without sidekicks, which gives Draco an advantage that Snape didn't <ProngsPatronus> the hatred creates a similar dynamic between Draco and the Trio <memyslfnI> yes, PP <fawkes28> that is very true, nymph <Wierdgirl5834> what're you trying to say? That crabbe and Goyle are side kicks? lol! <ProngsPatronus> they are muscle, which we didn't see in SWM <fawkes28> snape is a loner by nature <FireboltPhoenix> Well, they could certainly be bodyguards... <Wierdgirl5834> smirtks <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right - nothing like a couple of 2 dimensional characters to put behind the rival :-D <ProngsPatronus> not to say that there weren't some gang-related activities with snape <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> didn't someone say that Snape hung out with a crowd who almost all turned out to be death eaters? <ProngsPatronus> but, from what we have seen in canon, he was alone <ProngsPatronus> yes, chocolate <Wierdgirl5834> i wonder what he did when he had to do group projects in school - that snape? <Aislinn> What are the issues at the root of the Sirius/Snape rivalry? *** Punky has quit [Bye] <Wierdgirl5834> Well it's sorta like Ron and Draco <memyslfnI> the luring od Snape to the Shreaking shack <memyslfnI> Snape could have died <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Sirius might see Snape like he sees the rest of his family, which, like Harry's reaction to Draco, can be a deep-seeded thing <nympheart> Sirius rejects his pure-blood background while Snape tries to emphasize that part of his family tree <memyslfnI> It was Sirius idea. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, nymph <Wierdgirl5834> You know friend of James so naturally he's gonna hate him <FireboltPhoenix> Good point, nymph <fawkes28> i think some people just have a natural hatred to each other <cbm> I agree, sirius sees his own families dark background in snape <Aislinn> I think it is a fundamental difference in view - Snape was jealous of Sirius's popularity and achievement in school, and Sirius was disgusted by his involvement in the dark arts <ProngsPatronus> nd a bad childhood <nympheart> Sirius was popular and good-looking and Snape was neither of those <fawkes28> i think Snape also resented Sirius because Sirius is a pure-blood and doesn't act like it <Aislinn> I also think that Snape was probably friends with Regulus,and that this would have bothered Sirius <memyslfnI> Snape represented all of what the Blacks represented..It repulsed him <ProngsPatronus> for sirius, because he did not espouse the family belief <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> one bad childhood moment smile not necessarily an entirely bad experience, Prongs... even though I think you're right to assume that Snape's home life wasn't great <ProngsPatronus> actually, I was talking about Sirius <Wierdgirl5834> snape had a bad daddy so that <memyslfnI> to see someone so immersed in the dark arts would have turned sirius' stomach...Especially if he hated all that his family represented <Wierdgirl5834> is why he is like that <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe, they're so similar i didn't realize it lol <ProngsPatronus> yes, M <nympheart> right, me <ProngsPatronus> and that may be at the root of it all, chocolate <ProngsPatronus> they were similar <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, similar opposites, sort of like Voldemort and Harry *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> but their different choices put them on opposite sides of the fence <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, wow... I've never thought of that before. <FireboltPhoenix> But you're absolutely right <Aislinn> Sirius' brother Regulus likely hung with the same group of Slytherins as Snape - a lot of whom became Death Eaters. Was there a Sirius/Regulus rivalry, and how might it have affected (or been affected by) the Sirius/Snape rivalry? <ProngsPatronus> hi, love4fawkes *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge <memyslfnI> I still think that the incident of luring Snape to the shreaking shack when Lupin was transforming also plays a huge part <Love4Fawkes> hi <ProngsPatronus> hey, seven of nine <Aislinn> Sirius' brother Regulus likely hung with the same group of Slytherins as Snape - a lot of whom became Death Eaters. Was there a Sirius/Regulus rivalry, and how might it have affected (or been affected by) the Sirius/Snape rivalry? <nympheart> hi seven and love <SevenofNine> Hey everyone! *waves* <fawkes28> hey seven <FireboltPhoenix> hello <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> howdy, seven! <nympheart> I've been trying to figure out Regulus for a long time and haven't really gotten anywhere <Wierdgirl5834> R.A.B that's all we need to know <SevenofNine> I think Reg and Snape might have been part of the same social group. <memyslfnI> I am sure Sirius was jealous of Regulus... He was the "golden boy" of the family <fawkes28> me too, nymph <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we don't have much to go off, nymph <cbm> I doubt there was a rivalry, I think that Sirius felt sorry for regulus, at least that is them impression I get from the scene in front of the tapestry <Aislinn> Oh, I don't know that I agree, Me <FireboltPhoenix> If there was a Sirius/Regulus rivalry, it was probably mostly based in different views on the Dark Arts and general Black family beliefs <Aislinn> I think that Sirius rejected everything that his family stood for <SevenofNine> I can visualize a Sirius bashing session between Reg & Snape. <nympheart> yes, wierd, but I want to know why he went after the Horcruxes <Wierdgirl5834> Who would want to be the "Golden boy" of such a revolting family? I know i wouldn't! <Love4Fawkes> Sirius might have been jealous before he understood, but once he understood what his family actually was he didn't want any part of it and I doubt he was jealous <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think he could have been jealous in a way... like harry was jealous of Dudley, even though he in no way wanted to be dudley <SevenofNine> What's intersting about RAB (and I believe he was Regulus) is that there are a couple of reasons he went after the horcrux. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> harry obviously wants the things that dudley gets, and doesn't like his situation <memyslfnI> yes, I do to Aislinn..But what is it like to have your family always disappointed in you? I am sure it is not easy. Especially when young..I bet that hurt <SevenofNine> (1) He turned "good" and decided to fight evil (LV) <SevenofNine> (2) He found out that LV was a fraud and wasn't a pureblood <memyslfnI> Being estranged from your family is hard, no matter how much you reject them <Aislinn> it probably did, M, but I would think he would have been impatient and distant with Regulus, or else tried to make him see the light, as it were <cbm> maybe regulus became jealous of Sirius and his ability to get away from his family and followed him later <SevenofNine> So many possibilities cmb <SevenofNine> *cbm <Wierdgirl5834> I think regulus admired sirius <FireboltPhoenix> There's still an inherent want to be accepted by family... like Me said <nympheart> that's kind of along the lines of my thought, cbm <FireboltPhoenix> Regulus might have been jealous of Sirius's courage to stand up to the family <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I feel like he was indifferent to Regulus... he doesn't care enough to find out what actually happened to him, which I think he'd have done if he had truly hated him <ProngsPatronus> I think Sirius might have been jealous, because the love the Black family gave was not unconditional <memyslfnI> I think that regulus embraced the DE and their philosophy, but once he realized what they actually were about, realized that this was not what he signed up for. <SevenofNine> Chocolate, I think Sirius put on a public face that he was indifferent <SevenofNine> I'm not sure that deep down inside that he was <Love4Fawkes> I agree with both me and firebolt, but I think Sirius disagreed enough with the Black family that he wasn't concerned by their disappointment in him <cbm> go to go, bye *** cbm has quit [Bye] <ProngsPatronus> a family's disappointment always hurts <SevenofNine> I think Sirius was troubled, but decided not to let it control his choices. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, seven, but you think if he hated or cared about regulus enough he'd have tried to discover what happened to regulus <memyslfnI> yes, PP <Love4Fawkes> yes it does, but it can be pushed aside when one knows they are ultimately right <memyslfnI> look at the Dursleys and Harry... <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> which is the only reason why i think it's indifference <SevenofNine> Yes, but we're not really sure about the "when" Chocolate <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true... <Aislinn> Was Petunia jealous of Lily? And if so, how might this have carried over to her treatment of Harry? <memyslfnI> He rejects them and their muggle ways, but it still bothered him for a time <Wierdgirl5834> heck yeah <nympheart> absolutely <SevenofNine> Did Regulus "die" and was later discovered? <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, I definitely think that Petunia was jealous of Lily <SevenofNine> His body, I mean. <FireboltPhoenix> Lily was the "golden girl" of the Evans family. <Wierdgirl5834> well she was a muggle she was a witch. <SevenofNine> Yes Firebolt <Love4Fawkes> I think Petunia was very jealous of Lily and that is why she wanted nothing to do with anything in the wizarding world, including Harry <Aislinn> Yes, Firebolt, it seems as if she must have been <memyslfnI> yes, she was..I bet she was perfect even before she received her letter. <Wierdgirl5834> She could do magic and she couldn't <SevenofNine> Petunia is so forceful in her feellings about Lily. <SevenofNine> So bitter <Wierdgirl5834> don't blame her for it <nympheart> I'm under the impression that Lily was the younger one, so in addition to the sibling rivalry that can arise from that, Lily is "gifted" <SevenofNine> It's a tough one, though Wierd. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Someone has suggested that if Petunia was younger, she might have been expecting a letter as well, and the disappointment of years of anticipating her family's acceptance was hard <SevenofNine> I've raised 6 kids, and they always wanted to be treated the same--even if being treated the same was actually unfair. <SevenofNine> If that makes sense <ProngsPatronus> oh, I think she was supremely jealous of the attention Lily got because Lily was a witch <memyslfnI> yes, it soes 7 of 9 <ProngsPatronus> lots of sibling rivalry there <Love4Fawkes> I blame petunia for it. My siblings all have incredible talents that I don't have. I'm not so jealous of them that I shut them out of my lives!! I focus on the talents I have. <SevenofNine> Yes Prongs - tons. <FireboltPhoenix> Right, Seven... I have a sibling, and I know it's inevitable that we get jealous of each other at times, as close as we are. <SevenofNine> But we really no so little of the "why" of the divide. <Wierdgirl5834> imagine having your little sister going to hogwarts and you not! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> good for you love4fawkes! <memyslfnI> so she belittles it because she has none of the magical talents that Lily has <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> was petunia older? do we know? <Love4Fawkes> lol, thanks chocolate. I would hope that is what most do! <Aislinn> I wonder if it is one of the reasons that she works so hard at appearing "normal" at every turn - it was the only way she could make herself stand out in comparison to Lilly <SevenofNine> Was Petunia jealous because Lily got something that Petunia did not -- or because Petunia lost a beloved sister to this strange magical world? <memyslfnI> I think she was older <Wierdgirl5834> both <FireboltPhoenix> That's a good point, Aislinn <Love4Fawkes> Your right weird, that would be hard, but you don't shut someone out because they got to do something you didn't <SevenofNine> Did they used to share everything, and now here was something they could not share? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, aislinn <nympheart> Petunia was probably older. Dudley and Harry were born about the same time and Lily was 21, which is young, so I've always been inclined to believe Petunia was a couple years older <SevenofNine> Or was there always conficlt? <Wierdgirl5834> i would shut them off <memyslfnI> I think there was always conflict <Aislinn> Is some of Filch's attitude toward the students borne out of jealousy? <memyslfnI> Lily was beautiful..She is not discribed as such.. <SevenofNine> Lily seems like such an inclusive person though <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, definitely. They can do magic and he can't. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Haha, oh filch - i think he's just a mean old man without a mommy <FireboltPhoenix> Big source of jealous there <Love4Fawkes> oh yes!! Filch is SO jealous <Aislinn> I think a lot of it is <nympheart> no doubt about it <SevenofNine> I imagine that's at least part of it. <memyslfnI> I think the rivalry is Petunia's not so much Lily's <SevenofNine> But some of it could jusst be that he's a bully <memyslfnI> sorry..still on last question! LOL <SevenofNine> laugh <Wierdgirl5834> Oh this is similar to Petunia's jealousy! He hates kids cause he's old and he's a squib! <Aislinn> that's ok, M <nympheart> He watches year after year as students whiz by learning what he still hasn't the slightest ability for <SevenofNine> Filch has a couple of different issues, really <Love4Fawkes> I think he is a bully, but he's a bully because he feels like he has something to prove <SevenofNine> He doesn't like kids <SevenofNine> And especially kids who can do things he cannot but would love to be able to <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> just another 2 dimensional character that i don't really care for <memyslfnI> I think that Filtch is on a power trip..He cannot do magic so he tries to rule with a iron fist <FireboltPhoenix> He's got a huge inferiority complex. <memyslfnI> he is compensating <nympheart> definitely, firebolt <SevenofNine> Pfffft - Filch and Snape, memyslfnI <Wierdgirl5834> i heard a theory on mugglecast that he might be the one performing magic later in life *** HPotterExpert2 has joined #lounge <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ew, why were you listening to that <SevenofNine> I hope he is not, Wierd. <nympheart> hi HPotter <SevenofNine> He doesn't deserve it. <ProngsPatronus> ey, expert <Aislinn> lol, chocolate <Love4Fawkes> lol chocolate <memyslfnI> (I think it will be Dudley) <SevenofNine> I hope Mrs. Figg is the one. <HPotterExpert2> Hi all <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> (me too) <nympheart> so do I, me <SevenofNine> She's earned it <FireboltPhoenix> hello HPotter smile <Love4Fawkes> hi HPotter <Wierdgirl5834> Mugglecast rocks! don't call it "ew" chocolate <SevenofNine> Hey Hpotter <Aislinn> Would you consider Dumbledore and Voldemort to be rivals? How does this compare to the rivalry between Harry and Voldemort? <nympheart> she's happy the way she is though, seven * chocolateisnotforbreakfast cringes * chocolateisnotforbreakfast bites her tongue <Love4Fawkes> yes, dd and voldemort are rivals <nympheart> I think LV thinks they're rivals <Wierdgirl5834> course he does <Love4Fawkes> yes i agree nymph <memyslfnI> no, I don't..I think that Voldemort is the student trying to outdo the teacher.. <Aislinn> I don't think Dumbledore views them as rivals <fawkes28> i think of them more as opposites <Aislinn> yes, M, that is much more apt <nympheart> agreed, Aislinn <Wierdgirl5834> Voldy's a smart aleck <FireboltPhoenix> I would agree about the whole one-sided rivalry thing <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Voldemort sees Dumbledore as someone capable of killing him, while he sees Harry as a simple obstacle... <FireboltPhoenix> (On LV's part) <memyslfnI> yes chocoalte <Wierdgirl5834> a simple obstacle he can't defeat <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> when it's really the other way around... not SIMPLE obstacle, but you know <fawkes28> Dumbledore is not the one who the prophecy is about <Aislinn> LV definitely has a need to be perceived as the greatest wizard of all time, and Dumbledore would be the standard against which to be compared <Love4Fawkes> LV view DD as a rival and DD therefore becomes a rival in many people's eyes, but I don't think DD sees himself as a rival <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true, aislinn <nympheart> I don't think he does anymore, chocolate, I think Harry and LV's issues have grown beyond that *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge <SevenofNine> I think LV consideres DD a rival, bit I think DD is too secure in himself to worry about that kind of nonsense <memyslfnI> DD could have killed LV, but the prophecy, because LV acted on it, prevents him from doing so <Aislinn> hi molly *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> I think LV has wanted the attention and the approval of DD since he got to Hogwarts <Aislinn> exactly seven *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] <nympheart> hi molly <Love4Fawkes> exactly seven <FireboltPhoenix> Harry and LV's issue is that they're pretty much just going to have a fight to the death, I think <memyslfnI> yes, PP *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> but without love, it simply couldn't be *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] <memyslfnI> He feels "I am the most talented student! Look at me::" <ProngsPatronus> yes *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] <SevenofNine> Exactly *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> but with Harry, it is far more personal between them *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] <memyslfnI> between Harry and whom PP? <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, definitely, Prongs <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> come on molly! you can do it! <Love4Fawkes> oh yes it is prongs <memyslfnI> LV? <ProngsPatronus> Harry has been literally bred to be the opposite of voldemort, and honed as the tool that will vanquish the dark lord <SevenofNine> LV has certainly made it personal just as Snape has *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> hey, expie! <fawkes28> hey expie *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] <nympheart> and DD has been involved with that honing <nympheart> hi expie <SevenofNine> Interesting phraseology, Prongs <Expelliarmas> heya peeps *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <SevenofNine> Not exactly like Paul in the book Dune *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge <FireboltPhoenix> And all breeding aside, Harry has a desire to avenge his parents. <SevenofNine> Who was literally bred for the task--just a generation too soon * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't know if LV sees anything as really personal... to take something personally seems like you need to care what someone else thinks about you <SevenofNine> I have issues with the whole revenge angle. <SevenofNine> Good point, chocolate <Aislinn> Why in some of the books have the Ministers of Magic been acting like rivals of Dumbledore? Is the Ministry jealous of Hogwarts and Dumbledore? <Expelliarmas> I think LV cares a lot about his place in history and the regard of other wizards <nympheart> I think LV cares a lot what people think of him <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> oh politics... they're just all over the place <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, Fudge and Dumbledore had so many issues. <SevenofNine> Politics and insecurity. <FireboltPhoenix> Fudge wanted everything Dumbledore had <Wierdgirl5834> they hate dumbledore cuz he's so powerful <Love4Fawkes> The ministers feel threatened by DD <Expelliarmas> Not the ministry being jealous ... they are insecure <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they want wisdom without the nobility and difficult choices that come with it <nympheart> they know DD could have had their position if he wanted, and they're afraid of him changing his mind <Love4Fawkes> he's smart and talented and at one point had a lot of support for the ministry <SevenofNine> well said chocolate <FireboltPhoenix> Exactly, nymph... and chocolate <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thank you smile *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge <Wierdgirl5834> I wanna see fudge dead in book 7 <Wierdgirl5834> although he probably won't <Aislinn> oh, that's a bit harsh, wierdgirl <nympheart> I want to see fudge blubber as he almost dies <Sophia40> had a crash What are we talking about? <FireboltPhoenix> I don't know about that... I think Fudge is pretty much a non-person now <Expelliarmas> the ministers don't want wisdom, they want power and the perception that they are fully in control <Aislinn> we're talking about the Ministers of Magic being jealous of Dumbledore, sophia <ProngsPatronus> DD is a prince of the Wizarding World--and I think that Fudge knew himself to be an inferior wizard *** HPotterExpert2 has quit [Bye] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Dumbledore has the ability to see the consequences of events, probably better than anyone on earth. He can guess what will happen with such certainty... he even knew what would happen if he loved Harry... knew it from the beginning of the plan. I think the gift of seeing the consequences of a decision is VERY important in politics <ProngsPatronus> it a meritocracy, Fudge would lose <Aislinn> right, expie - it is the power they are attracted to <Love4Fawkes> that is a great point chocolate <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thanks smile <Aislinn> they don't understand that DD commands respect and authority because of his wisdom - it's not something that they can imitate <nympheart> And Scrimgeor came along when there was already a clear line between loyalty to DD and the MoM, so the competition he sees is more real <Wierdgirl5834> this reminds me of that song by "Harry and the Potters" <Expelliarmas> DD has an aura of power about him that the ministers would find intimidating, given that power is what they most crave <Sophia40> I love Harry and the Potters <Aislinn> exactly, expie <ProngsPatronus> and I think that they cannot fathom his decision to be at hogwarts, with that kind of magical charisma <FireboltPhoenix> Good point... DD has power without even asking, the ministers have to work for it <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> loyalty means nothing in politics... a politician is only loyal to their desire to keep their title <FireboltPhoenix> Definite source of contention. <SevenofNine> Exactly, Aislinn <Love4Fawkes> DD is the type of person who does not demand loyality, but people give it willingly anyway just because of who he is and how he handles himself. He gains respect because he gives respect. The ministers with they could find that themselves <Expelliarmas> in a room full of people, DD would always stand out, the ministers would have to be jealous of that <SevenofNine> Like a little girl who admires a noble woman and think all she has to do is dress like her. <Sophia40> Well they just don't have the same ambitions as DD. DD was al about the students nad not he politics <ProngsPatronus> yep--magical charisma <ProngsPatronus> DD has it, the ministers do not <Aislinn> Hogwarts houses compete maniacally for the Quidditch Cup. The winner of the House Cup is also very important. Why don't students compete more in classes to gain points? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, love 4 fawkes, just like Harry handled the DA... he didn't ask for it, but he had the experience and the know-how that earned their respect <Love4Fawkes> exactly prongs <Wierdgirl5834> cuz it's academics duh! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> aww, sevenofnine, that made me smile <nympheart> because that takes work...who wants to do that? <Expelliarmas> because academic competitions are for geeks, the jocks get the glory <FireboltPhoenix> It's human nature to be more competitive in sports. <Love4Fawkes> they would rather win it on the field <Wierdgirl5834> other than hermione who gives a heck about school stuff <Expelliarmas> the academic geeks are seen as insufferable knowitalls <nympheart> the Ravenclaws probably do, but we haven't seem much of them in classes <SevenofNine> With a teacher like Snape, why try? <Wierdgirl5834> I mean i'm sure some of them do but seriously..... <Sophia40> Well certain Professor award for acedemics <Expelliarmas> true, nympheart <Wierdgirl5834> If a gryffindor tries in Snape <SevenofNine> Yes, fortunately not all of them are like Snivelus <Wierdgirl5834> they will end up losing points <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think they try... it sometimes gives them a good boost when their house receives points. Or, if the other house earns it, they might try to answer more questions as a result <Aislinn> Wierdgirl - please check the top of your screen <Expelliarmas> i think snape would short all the houses in favor of slytherin <memyslfnI> I bdet they do, we just don't see it.. <Wierdgirl5834> got it.... <ProngsPatronus> I agree, m <SevenofNine> Exactly Exp <Love4Fawkes> i agree expie <SevenofNine> Even though several of his Slytherin students are less than stellar <FireboltPhoenix> I think all the Heads of Houses would kind of try to help their houses... but not to Snape's extreme. <ProngsPatronus> we have seen teachers give housepoints for responding properly to questions--like Flitwick and Minerva <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> snape... so little control over his life... he's gotta feel in control of SOMETHING... might as well be the house points lol <Love4Fawkes> lol chocolate <nympheart> lol, yes chocolate, and he tries for Harry too <FireboltPhoenix> Freud would say that Snape's definitely got a fixation. <SevenofNine> Yes, Prongs. I've attended college classes where the prof would toss out smarties candies when people answered his questions right. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe <SevenofNine> Felt like I was in elementary school again. laugh <Sophia40> Snape is the only one except Umbridge of course who is baised toward Griffyndors <Love4Fawkes> interesting seven, i'm not sure if i'd like that <Expelliarmas> Bet it was a fun class, 7 <SevenofNine> It actually was - Ethics *** FreedomStar has joined #lounge <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'd not answer, for fear of embarassing myself when I fail to catch the candy and it hits me in the eye <nympheart> i'm jealous seven, that's against the law in my high school <Aislinn> House rivalries over Quidditch matches cause players to lose study time, sleep and even meals, not to mention all the hexing and taunting that goes on in the hallways. Why did Jo make the off-field part of the rivalry nearly as fierce as what we see happen in the actual matches? <SevenofNine> Really? <Love4Fawkes> slytherins in general are agains griffyndors <nympheart> state law, yes, really *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] <Wierdgirl5834> cuz it's typical high school <FireboltPhoenix> Rivalries are intense things... take Duke vs. UNC, for example. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think it's how sports rivalries really are... <memyslfnI> I think it adds to the symbolism of the houses being devided <SevenofNine> Wow. Aislinn, I think it's because that's a real thing. <SevenofNine> Stupid, but real *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge <Expelliarmas> to make it more real <Love4Fawkes> it is how sport rivalires are! <memyslfnI> and the need to nite them <Expelliarmas> my college rivalries were fierce <memyslfnI> unite, rather <SevenofNine> And at the same time to divide them <Expelliarmas> to this day, my license plate reflects my undergrad degree <Aislinn> I agree that it is typical for school rivalries to center around sport teams <Love4Fawkes> if we actually had attended classes with our high school rivals it wouldn't have been good! <Joyhawk2121> hello everyone <nympheart> it shows how deep the rivalries really go <Expelliarmas> heya joyhawk <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I can't help but sneer at Michigan, or turn my nose up at michigan license plates, even though I have nothing really against Michigan or any specific person from there lol <ProngsPatronus> quidditch seems to be an obsession <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> growing up in ohio does that to a person <Wierdgirl5834> i mean they make quidditch a big deal just how americans makea big deal out of baseball or basketball <ProngsPatronus> so, the rivalries go on 24/7 <FreedomStar> it's the competition <Sophia40> I think that people in general view sports rivalry that way so I am not supprized that Jo choose to express this as well * nympheart isn't even in college yet and has been wearing her colors for six months <Expelliarmas> sports do that, it tends to be passionate whereas academics are not <FreedomStar> competing naturally brings out these little personalities you didn't know exist <Love4Fawkes> lol that's loyality nymph!! <FireboltPhoenix> lol same here chocolate... I'm a Duke student/fan, I can't help but disliking everything from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe firebolt <Love4Fawkes> I went to a small college - we didn't have strong sprot rivalrys <SevenofNine> Or football, Wierd <Expelliarmas> it can be any sport <Aislinn> Amongst the houses, is the Slytherin vs. Gryffindor rivalry the strongest? Is this simply because of Salazar and Godric, or are there other reasons the two houses like to fight? <SevenofNine> That's a BIG funraiser from alumni <Love4Fawkes> But I'm a Red Sox fan so I HATE the yankees! <Sophia40> N3xted question Please lololololol <SevenofNine> Who knows? <memyslfnI> I think it is Aislinn <SevenofNine> It's been over 1000 years <Expelliarmas> we don't see the other houses, though <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think their life aspirations are the most opposite... one is for bravery while the other is for self preservation <Love4Fawkes> It probably stems back to salazar and godric <SevenofNine> It might have stemmed from that or developed over time. <Wierdgirl5834> cuz it's suppose to be like that <Aislinn> I agree, M, that it's rooted in that old rivalry/disagreement <FireboltPhoenix> Yeah, the Slytherin vs. Gryffindor rivalry kind of passed down through the generations, i think <memyslfnI> their rift was spoken about in the sorting hat song...the fact that they were once great friends makes the rift even worse I think.. <nympheart> i think it was probably the strongest, the nature of Gryffindors would take any conflict to the extreme <Love4Fawkes> salazar and godrics were good friends and probably the gryffidnors were especially hurt when slytherin left <Sophia40> We don't get to see other houses all though we did see a bit of Ravenclaw <SevenofNine> It's strange that if there was a rift and Salazar left that his house remained. <memyslfnI> Hatred spans generations unfortunately <Aislinn> and tends to feed on itself <SevenofNine> I wonder why they never closed Slytherin House. *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge <Aislinn> that's a good question, seven <FireboltPhoenix> Agreed, Me... that's something we talked about in psychology a little bit <Love4Fawkes> it is a little strange seve, but it is probably what slytherin and the other founders wanted - to continue on as is <Sophia40> Do you think that there was rivalry between the twoo houses *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] <Wierdgirl5834> course there is <ProngsPatronus> I think that Slytherin House is an essential prt of Hogwarts <SevenofNine> even after the rift, Love? That's what I find odd. <nympheart> Gryffindors and Hufflepuffs seem to mix well, and I think Ravenclaws and Slytherins would get along with their emphasis on mental abilities, so maybe Rowena had something to do with that. <Sophia40> I don't because that was never intimated <ProngsPatronus> they are the dark side of the wizarding nature <SevenofNine> If they fought so badly over the different philosophies, I find it strange they didn't shut the one down. <Love4Fawkes> He left because he didn't agree with how things were going, but he probably still wanted the students he deemed worthy in their own house <Wierdgirl5834> are you trying to say rowena had a crush on salzar?! lol! <SevenofNine> Or, perhaps certain families would not have sent their children to the school. <nympheart> I may consider that a disgrace to my house... <FireboltPhoenix> I think Slytherin house was left out of respect to Salazar's legacy. <SevenofNine> If they'd closed it. <SevenofNine> I wonder what his legacy really is. <Love4Fawkes> I agree firebolt <Sophia40> The rift was caused by Slythrin alone I htink <nympheart> I just mean they seem to think in fairly similar ways <Love4Fawkes> that could be sophia <SevenofNine> Besides a secret chamber with a nasty murderous basilisk in it. laugh <Sophia40> oops *think <Wierdgirl5834> his legacy is to pass on snake language and purebloodedness <Wierdgirl5834> it's quite logical <FireboltPhoenix> Well, it was a good plot device... ;) <Love4Fawkes> the love of the pureblood wizard! <SevenofNine> Exactly, Firebolt! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think ambition and bravery are sometimes not blendable... a slytherin's motivations are rooted in themselves, while gryffindor motivations tend to be rooted in an ideal <Love4Fawkes> wow, that's deep chocolate!! <SevenofNine> If the school was flegling then they may have need the people who believe with Salazar <memyslfnI> Maybe they couldnt? Maybe there is the way the school was designed and it was a binding discision? <Aislinn> that's exactly how i see it, chocolate <nympheart> chocolate is on a roll today <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha <Sophia40> I think it is a trait of all Slythrins to be narrow minded and self absorbed <FireboltPhoenix> Well said, chocolate <Love4Fawkes> that's a good point me * chocolateisnotforbreakfast blushes <SevenofNine> *notworthy* chocolate <SevenofNine> Once again, well said. <memyslfnI> an unbreakable vow? <Wierdgirl5834> Nagini is Salazar's great great great great grandsnake <SevenofNine> Can one say one's own neck and still be considered brave? <Wierdgirl5834> cause I <Aislinn> I don't think so, M, more like the Triwizard cup binding contract <ProngsPatronus> I think the magic of Slytherin is interwoven into the fabric of Hogwarts <SevenofNine> Does Snape suffere from Gryffindor envy? <memyslfnI> yes, PP and Aislinn..I agree.. <SevenofNine> Is that why he has such a complex about being called a coward? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, seven... it's like when slughorn wouldnt give up the memory... his safety was more important than the possible positive results that could come from sharing his memory <Expelliarmas> I think snape suffers from all sorts of envy, grooming at the top of the list <nympheart> I'd say so, seven, you have to stand up for yourself to save your own life and that takes courage <nympheart> lol expie <Aislinn> Are there incidences in Book 6 of Mrs. Weasley treating Fleur like a rival? <Wierdgirl5834> yeah <FreedomStar> yes definitely <FireboltPhoenix> Oh yes <nympheart> the radio on christmas eve <SevenofNine> No the way I look at it. <Wierdgirl5834> it seems like all mother in-laws are like that! <SevenofNine> Explain what you mean by a rival? <FreedomStar> the one clear scene was from the beginning, when Fleur barged into Harry's room with a tray of food. <fawkes28> i dont think any woman will be good enough for her son - that is how mom's are <Expelliarmas> I don't think so, i think molly wanted to make sure fleur was really worthy of Bill. She was looking out for her son. <Sophia40> Well lets think was Salazaar a coward because that seems to be trait of the Slythrin bunch <Aislinn> yes, expie <Aislinn> I never saw it as a rivalry <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't know if i see it as a rivalry as much as I see it as fleur is an annoyance that molly is having a hard time figuring out how to deal with <SevenofNine> Same here Aislinn. <Expelliarmas> I think she feared the pain Fleur could cause if she broke things off with bill or proved flighty <SevenofNine> I've known mothers who really thought their sons' wives were rivals. <ProngsPatronus> I think most mothers look askance at the "other woman" in their sons' lives <SevenofNine> I've never seen Molly's feeling it that way. <Wierdgirl5834> You see it's the same thing on t.v, like on that show "Everybody Love's Raymond" Marie hates debra just like Molly hates Fleur <Aislinn> not a pretty picture seven, and I agree, it's not one we've seen from Molly <FreedomStar> I think it's natural to feel a bit anxious at the prospect of a new woman in her son's life. <SevenofNine> *raises hand* Not me! And I have 4 sons. <FreedomStar> I don't think molly hates fleur <Wierdgirl5834> smirks <Expelliarmas> no, i think molly wanted to see fleur measure up, and she finally did at the end *** KimmyBlair has joined #lounge <Aislinn> hi kimmy <SevenofNine> Yes, Exp <Expelliarmas> heya kimmy! -------------------- OPAST, Vault 717, Order of the Holy Grain
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<FreedomStar> hey kimmy! <ProngsPatronus> hey, kimmy! <KimmyBlair> hey! <fawkes28> hey kimmy <nympheart> hi kimmy <Love4Fawkes> I don't think Molly saw fleur as a rival, she just worried that fleur would be good enough for her son <Aislinn> What are some rivalries and jealousies that may have existed amongst the Weasley children when they were growing up? Do any of these still exist? <memyslfnI> I think she felt that Fleur was not good enough, Bill is her first born after all. <SevenofNine> I think Molly was afraid that Bill was just going for looks and not substance <Sophia40> Percy <memyslfnI> I think Ron's vision in the Mirror says it all. <Wierdgirl5834> Ron and Ginny! <Expelliarmas> where do we begin listing the rivalries--percy leads that parade <nympheart> Ron and...all of the otherbrothers <FreedomStar> the two Weasley children that stand out in my ind are percy and ron <memyslfnI> I think he has alot of hangups about that <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right... Molly feared Fleur only liked him for his looks, even suggested that Fleur wouldn't want to marry him anymore. Fleur didn't even THINK about not loving Bill, and that really proved herself to Molly <Sophia40> Percy and everyone else <NYBookworm> I think she wants to be her kids world and him choosing a wife means she definitely no longer is- it means he doesn't need her the same way so there'd be some jealously and sense of loss there <FreedomStar> Ron for obvious reasons; being the youngest boy <SevenofNine> Gotta run. It's been real guys! Have fun. <KimmyBlair> I agre memyselfni *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bey seven! <Wierdgirl5834> ron won't leave Gin alone sometimes <Aislinn> Percy definitely has that ambitious streak, and Ron does feel the comparison to the rest deeply <FreedomStar> and Percy just...having to compete with everyone. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi kimmy!! (i was writing my paragraph when you came in!!!) <nympheart> yes, sophia, Percy felt like he had to outdo all of his siblings <ProngsPatronus> I think there are all kinds of petty jealousies and rivalries in the Weasley kids <KimmyBlair> Hi! <Sophia40> Ron feels he has to live upto the rest <memyslfnI> I didn't see you either Kimmy LOL! <Expelliarmas> i think Ron sees himself as ginny's protector, not her rival <KimmyBlair> I think that ron was jealouse of his brothers quidditch abilities <memyslfnI> You snuck in! *** cbm has joined #lounge <Expelliarmas> heya cbm <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ron was jealous once the snog count came up though <cbm> Hi again! <Wierdgirl5834> yeah and Ginny has to deal with 6 big bro's * KimmyBlair is sneaky sneaky! <FreedomStar> Percy is jealous of the camaraderie between his brothers and sisters <ProngsPatronus> wb, cbm <FreedomStar> who all gang up on him if need. <KimmyBlair> I agree Freedom... <Love4Fawkes> I think all the weaselys have normal sibling rivalries, jealousies, and competitiveness <Expelliarmas> well, percy fancied himself ginny's protector as well <Sophia40> I don't see Ron as jealous <Aislinn> I don't see ginny feeling rivalry with the boys <Love4Fawkes> except for Percy, he went overboard <memyslfnI> I think Ginny was favored because she was a girl... <Aislinn> right <memyslfnI> not intentionally <ProngsPatronus> percy was his mother's favourite--and I am sure that the others went after him because of it <KimmyBlair> me either Aislinn.. she isn't really put to the same standard <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think ginny more felt a need to prove herself, rather than be a direct rival <FreedomStar> Ginny's in a category to herself, because she's a girl. <Expelliarmas> ginny also had to deal with constant teasing from her brothers <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she doesn't try to be better than the twins, she attributes her clever side to them <Wierdgirl5834> I wanna see alot of Ginny Ron fight in book 7! *** FreedomStar has quit [Bye] <Expelliarmas> but she also got time away from them while they were in school and she was still at home *** FreedomStar has joined #lounge <KimmyBlair> and she was the daughter who was waited for in the family... <FreedomStar> ugh, messed up computer <Wierdgirl5834> yeah you gotta love Ginny <Aislinn> Books 4 & 5, what did you think of Ron's reaction to Hermione's involvement with Krum? <Sophia40> I don't know I always picture Ginny with confidence <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she already knows she's different, so she doesn't have to make herself stand out in the crow d of boys <nympheart> I thought it was hilarious <Wierdgirl5834> yes! finally! <FreedomStar> Ron's reaction was typical of Ron <Wierdgirl5834> I was waiting for this question <Expelliarmas> pure jealousy, really though, why did it take him so long to make the connection *** hrh7 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> it is a classic dog-in-the-manger behaviour <KimmyBlair> Jealous! <FreedomStar> I think that was around the time when he wasn't quite sure why he cared so much <Love4Fawkes> i agree expie, he is so dense sometimes! <KimmyBlair> we see it every time she mentions his name... <Wierdgirl5834> jeaous cause Ron <Sophia40> I think that he was just acting the typical boy at that age <KimmyBlair> even when it's just as a pen pal... <Expelliarmas> Ron can be thicker than a brick <KimmyBlair> I agree sophia <Joyhawk2121> It was hilarious and some jealously <FreedomStar> hehe <Aislinn> I don't think he even understood that he was jealous <Wierdgirl5834> I loved it <FreedomStar> agreed aislinn <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, but harry guessed there was snogging, so i think there was more, Kimmy :-D <ProngsPatronus> me, either, Aislinn <Love4Fawkes> I don't think he did either aislinn <cbm> For me it was the clue that told me ron and Hermione would be together <Aislinn> yes, cbm, for me too <Wierdgirl5834> they hinted krum and Hermione snogging in the movie <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, weirdgirl... "he's more physical..." <FreedomStar> yeah, and in book 6 ginny said that hermioned snogged krum <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *awkward silence* <Expelliarmas> the fact he didn't get he was jealous is what made led to so many fans being exasperated with him <Wierdgirl5834> Like when Hermione was speaking in the movie to harry <FreedomStar> hermione* <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, i loved it though, that she had to spell it out for him <Wierdgirl5834> hermioninny <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> "next time, ask me first and not as a last resort!" <Wierdgirl5834> god, that never gets old <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Ron knew how to compete with Krum <FreedomStar> lol, that was funny <ProngsPatronus> and that made his feelings all the worse <FreedomStar> well this goes back to the whole sibling rivalry <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, prongs... total inferiority <Wierdgirl5834> I can't wait to see Krum in dh <nympheart> He didn't think he could compete with Viktor <Wierdgirl5834> and Ron <FreedomStar> Ron has had so much competition from his older siblings, it was hard for him to have to compete with someone else. <Sophia40> Chocalate I got that too That is one of my fav from the movie <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> even harry felt macho after krum seemed jealous of him *** FireboltPhoenix has quit [Bye] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <Love4Fawkes> lol, i loved that chocolate <cbm> Just like he did not think he could compete with his brothers <KimmyBlair> Krum is a celebrity! It's hard for anyoen to measure up <Aislinn> Ron has dealt with being very jealous of Harry several times throughout the series. How has he overcome each of these? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Harry is too, though <memyslfnI> yes, KImmy...imagine competing for a girl with him! <KimmyBlair> usuayll he stops talking to him for a bit <Sophia40> Well Ron was in awe of him at first <memyslfnI> Has he? <Expelliarmas> i'm not convinced he has <KimmyBlair> in GoF <Aislinn> I think he is handling it much better than he used to <memyslfnI> I think he has masked it well <Wierdgirl5834> He thinks of hermione, that cheers him up! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sometimes he just outright says it... "I hate being poor!" <nympheart> something happens ot Harry and he realizes he was being ridiculous <Love4Fawkes> i think in the end Ron just has to set his jealousy aside. Harry can't change who he is and ron tries to understand <KimmyBlair> when Harry was picked from the goblet... Ron stopped talking to him <ProngsPatronus> I think Ron remembered that Harry and he were friends first--and that the other stuff mostly came from outside that relationship <Expelliarmas> he is still very insecure and persists in measuring his own growth as compared to that of others <KimmyBlair> out of jealousey <cbm> I do not think he was jealous, I just think that Harry wishes he had as good of a family life as ron had <memyslfnI> but I think he also realizes the burden Harry carries and that helps him cope. <Aislinn> yes, M, I think that's true <Expelliarmas> we also had the whole niffler thing <Wierdgirl5834> I wanna see a lot of jealousy in deathly hallows! <Love4Fawkes> oh right expie, wasn't ron jealous and angry then! <memyslfnI> polus, he loves Harry..Like Sirius and James..He would die for him <Wierdgirl5834> i live off of it <memyslfnI> hint..hint.. <Aislinn> M, don't go there! <Aislinn> laugh <memyslfnI> lOL <Sophia40> Ron feels the need to measure himself by others and not by his own standards I hope that changes in DH <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha <Aislinn> me too, sophia <Wierdgirl5834> harry and dean jealousy....... <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ron needs a lot of affirmation <Aislinn> How do you feel about the way Harry dealt with his reaction to Ron being made prefect? <FreedomStar> This goes back to the whole 'capslock harry' thing <memyslfnI> I think Ron will grow tremendously in this next book.He has to.. <nympheart> he didn't deal with that very well <Wierdgirl5834> oh god i am so MAd that they took that out of the movie! <Aislinn> I thought he was very honest with himself <Sophia40> I think he was in shock at first <Expelliarmas> I think if he hadn't had so much to deal with at the time, he would have been genuinely happy for ron from the start <Aislinn> I thought he dealt wonderfully with it <Wierdgirl5834> I loved the prefect scene! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i loved it... it was so deep... realizing that he natually thought it would be him over ron, and it was so... real... SO real <FreedomStar> but I have to say this honestly; I think people are being a little too hard on Harry for being emotional in book 5 <Expelliarmas> as it was, he took his non-selection as a slap in his own face <Aislinn> yes, chocolate, it was <memyslfnI> I think it was a natural emotion.. <Love4Fawkes> Harry acknowledged how he felt, but didn't let it ruin Ron's time to shine <Aislinn> it was completely natural for him to question it <Wierdgirl5834> It's called being a teenager <Wierdgirl5834> take it from me <Aislinn> Everyone questioned it, and Dd as much as admitted that he deserved it, at the end of the book <ProngsPatronus> I think Harry expected to be made prefect because of all he had gone through <Expelliarmas> harry's confidence took a dive <memyslfnI> who has not felt they should be rewarded for their good deeds... <FreedomStar> Harry had watched a classmate's murder, and witnessed the dark lord's return, and then he's packed off to his relatives house w/o a word from DD <FreedomStar> he had that moment of anger, but he thought about it *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] <Expelliarmas> I think DD did admit to not selecting Harry because he thought Harry had enough to be getting on with <Aislinn> but harrry didn't wallow in his feelings, he examined them honestly, and came around to feeling that Ron was deserving of the recognition <Sophia40> Well there was stuff building up to that scene so it just copounded the whole ting <Aislinn> right expie <FreedomStar> and realized what it meant to his friend, and saw his own actions as silly <nympheart> I don't know...it seemed kind of conceited for Harry to assume that he would be placed above his classmates <Wierdgirl5834> Jo payed back by making him captain in 6th year! <Love4Fawkes> right aislinn <Expelliarmas> true, Aislinn, Harry didn't mope for too long <Aislinn> he didn't assume, nymph <Aislinn> he examined the choice <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I agree, Freedom... i was on the anti-caps-lock Harry campaign, and really despised OotP when i first read it <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but i really enjoy it now, in retrospect <Wierdgirl5834> I love cap lock harry! <ProngsPatronus> and he was able to be truly happy for both Ron and Hermione, which shows a lot of maturity, I think <Aislinn> and he was right - he would have been the prefect choice, if it hadn't been for the whole Chosen One thing <Love4Fawkes> lol, that minor thing aislinn <Aislinn> lol <Expelliarmas> besides, I don't think jo needed the complication of writingin prefect duties ... <FreedomStar> I think it was important for Ron to get the badge <memyslfnI> I agree Aislinn <Love4Fawkes> good point expie <Wierdgirl5834> yeah give ron the glory for once <ProngsPatronus> I agreee, FreedomStar <memyslfnI> I agree Freedom Star... <Sophia40> lol again that has to come in to play*sighs* <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think it was less of a matter of who deserved it as it was a matter of confronting the reaction he had to it... choosing to let ron shine without wondering out loud why he didn't get it <memyslfnI> After the jealously thing in GoF, I am sure Dd knew that Ron needed a boost <ProngsPatronus> Ron needed to shine on his own <Aislinn> yes, chocolate <Aislinn> and I really admired Harry for that <FreedomStar> seconded, Aislinn <Aislinn> Book 6, what did you think of Hermione using McClaggen to make Ron jealous? <Expelliarmas> i don'tknow that any of the other boys would have deserved the badge after ron <FreedomStar> and no matter how much Ron complains about the badge, he enjoys having it. <cbm> But giving ron something ron did not think he deserved is not a good way to raise someone's confidence <Wierdgirl5834> I loved it! <KimmyBlair> Spectacular! <nympheart> that was low, I hoped she was above that <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha, it's what a girl's gotta do <Wierdgirl5834> classic hermione <memyslfnI> good for hermione! It served Ron right <KimmyBlair> well for someone her age... <FreedomStar> Oh, I thought it was a classic girl thing. <Expelliarmas> it was a nice try on hermione's part, but totally backfired <Wierdgirl5834> i would do it! <Love4Fawkes> I think she was acting like a typical girl and I was kind of disappointed in her <ProngsPatronus> I think Ron was hoist by his own petard <KimmyBlair> it's not mature but she's young.. she doens't have to be <Aislinn> it was a teen girl thing to do <memyslfnI> she also cheated in HBP>..that was unlike Hermione too. <memyslfnI> so she is not perfect <Expelliarmas> in some ways, hermione *is* a typical girl and it's nice to know she's only human and not depicted as little ms perfect <memyslfnI> yes, expie <FreedomStar> I wasn't happy with her for doing it, but she's a teenage girl. <Aislinn> which is what is so great about Jo's characters, M <FreedomStar> expie said it perfectly <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, she's not perfect.... you can see why she'd do it, of course smile <Wierdgirl5834> plus she's revenging ron and lavendar <Sophia40> agreed Expie <Love4Fawkes> yes it is expie, i just wish she would have expressed her imprefections in a different way <Expelliarmas> i like this fiery hermione <nympheart> of course Hermione's not perfect, but she is idealistic and she should try to act in a more ideal manner. She knew that was a low thing to do. * chocolateisnotforbreakfast adores imperfections <FreedomStar> in the end, though, it kinda backfired on her <Wierdgirl5834> ooh america's next top model is on t.v! gotta go bye! *** Wierdgirl5834 left #lounge [] <Love4Fawkes> I've always disliked the whole "lets make him jealous" line of thought <FreedomStar> Hermione ended up hiding from McClaggen all the time, lol. <FreedomStar> yeah, me too. <FreedomStar> Although you have to admit, it did work. <nympheart> I thought that was poetic justice, Freedom <FreedomStar> hehe, yup <Aislinn> I'd be bored with characters who were perfect <Love4Fawkes> i thought so too nymph <Expelliarmas> short of hitting ron over the head with an anvil, not a lot else has worked <ProngsPatronus> lol, expie <Love4Fawkes> so would i aislinn. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> jealousy is effective, though... if a guy is into you, and you know it, the best way to get him to act is to be interested in someone else, and let him know... let him know that you're not going to wait forever for him to realize his own feelings <Sophia40> lolol expie <FreedomStar> lol <memyslfnI> me too Aislinn, that's why I love Harry <cbm> I think she needed something bigger than an anvil to bring ron to his senses <FreedomStar> would know chocolate; never cared about the relationship. <nympheart> I don't think other people's emotions are something to be toyed with <Expelliarmas> well, ginny dated other guys on hermione's advice so she would be more herself, harry eventually noticed <Aislinn> lol cbm * Expelliarmas hands the 2x4 to hermione <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, i didn't say it was right or wrong... just effective <cbm> choco, A girl I know tried that once on me, I believed her and wished her luck <FreedomStar> I think it was important that they all had relationships with other people first <Sophia40> Well I can't say anything expie you have stolen it all <nympheart> I agree Freedom <ProngsPatronus> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. *** FireboltPhoenix has joined #lounge <FreedomStar> they kind of needed to experiment <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, cbm, yeah.... not foolproof, obviously smile <Aislinn> Hermione was jealous of being beaten by Harry at potions. How fun is it to see them actually "competing" in a class? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if hermione had chosen Draco, I doubt Ron would ever like her again <Love4Fawkes> oh that was great smile <FireboltPhoenix> Very fun smile <FreedomStar> I think it's kinda funny <FreedomStar> but I knew Harry was doomed <FireboltPhoenix> (Back in the chat... it disconnected me for a while for some reason) <KimmyBlair> I am always slightly annoyed at Hermione for this.. <FreedomStar> as mean as it is to say it, Harry was never good at Potions <memyslfnI> i think Harry would ahve beaten her at more things if he hadn't been distracted... <Aislinn> yeah, kimmy, me too <memyslfnI> all the time <nympheart> That didn't bother me, I thought it was kind of cute <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the image of hermione with strands of hair everywhere, potions ingredients spilled hither and thither.... i wish i could draw <FreedomStar> me too Kimmy, but at the same time it was funny to see Hermione so riled up <Expelliarmas> she wasn't jealous of harry beating her, she was ticked at him taking shortcuts to do it <KimmyBlair> It was funny <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and i'd fanart that in a second <cbm> I was annoyed because I thought Hermione should not have cared this much <Sophia40> Me too M <Aislinn> yes, M, he had a lot to be getting on with <KimmyBlair> and enjoyed how serious she was about it <nympheart> it was kind of like DADA with Lupin <Expelliarmas> in a real competition she would have won <FreedomStar> I think the real reason behind Hermione's ... not real anger, exactly <KimmyBlair> but it was upset that she was mad that Harry was doing better than her... <Aislinn> I don't think there is anything wrong with using superior directions, expie <memyslfnI> he "one-upped" her and she did not like it.. <FreedomStar> but the real reason she was so upset at it was because he was following The HBP's instructions <ProngsPatronus> it is a sort of poetic justice, isn't it? Hermione has been on Harry from the beginning to step up in his schoolwork--and look what happens when he does! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree freedom <Expelliarmas> i don't either, but hermione thought he had an unfair advantage so they were not equally competing <Love4Fawkes> But like Aislinn said, there was nothing wrong with Harry following those directions <memyslfnI> yes, PP <Aislinn> the point is to learn how to make potions well, and he did that - hermione could have followed them to <FireboltPhoenix> Definitely, Prongs <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she was trying to disprove the HBP... although i think on another, more shallow level, she did care that she wasn't slughorns favorite <Aislinn> She was too hung up on the "official' way of doing things <Love4Fawkes> did Harry ever offer to share the directions with Hermione? <Expelliarmas> hermione opted to follow the traditional instructions, harry opted to take a risk <Sophia40> But He had the book and to Hermione that was like cheating <Love4Fawkes> Aislinn answered my question, that's what I was getting at <nympheart> I agree, chocolate, she's used to being almost every teacher's favorite <Aislinn> yes, she came to expect that <Expelliarmas> well, slughorn held hermione in high regard <Aislinn> it is how she identifies herself, by her achievements <Love4Fawkes> he certainly did <cbm> she has too much respect for authority sometimes <ProngsPatronus> and it hits her right where she lives that she isn't <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, but it might be like harry's reaction to not getting the prefect badge... he expected to get it, but didn't <FreedomStar> i have to admit it was funny with Hermione's reaction and all, but I would never follow another set of directions; especially because of Ginny's reaction, but hey, w/o the prince he wouldn't have gotten the Felix Felicis <Aislinn> agreed, cbm <Expelliarmas> see y'all later *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] <Love4Fawkes> i always thought some of Harry's improvement came from not being distracted by hate in class <Sophia40> Well I think that she has always felt the need to prove . Being Muggle born and all <FireboltPhoenix> I think it did Hermione some good to get "one-upped" <memyslfnI> which is why Luna is important to harry..She thinks outside the box..hermione rarely is capable of doing this... <Aislinn> good point M <Aislinn> Were you surprised by Hermione's vicious display of jealousy (birds!) toward Ron and Lavender? <Love4Fawkes> of course to prince helped, but it must have been so much easier for Harry to focus without snape there <memyslfnI> I LOVE that scene <FreedomStar> yes <Love4Fawkes> I was actually VERY surprised! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> nope - not at all... i had just been broken up with two months before then <FreedomStar> wait, no <nympheart> yes, I was <FreedomStar> well.. <Sophia40> Harry did better on his OWLS with out Snivelous there <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> so i totally felt her <cbm> No, she has liked ron a long time and I bet she wanted to be the first one to kiss him <memyslfnI> She lost her cool..the whole book hermione makes questionable decisions.. <FireboltPhoenix> I wasn't surprised by that... I definitely thought Hermione was capable of that ;) <Love4Fawkes> lol, so you related chocolate! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> definitely <FreedomStar> I think it was building up <KimmyBlair> I wasn't suprised... <ProngsPatronus> I think Ron had it coming <FreedomStar> Ron treated her terribly and wouldn't explain why he was mad at her <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> all the relationship drama was my cup of tea lol <FireboltPhoenix> lol chocolate <FreedomStar> and he was mad at her for something that happened years ago <Aislinn> Take a serious look at the Slug Club. Why is Ron jealous of it? <ProngsPatronus> considering the level of hermione's magic, it could have been a lot worse <cbm> look at the dictionary under dense and you will find ron <memyslfnI> Because he is not good enough to get in <Love4Fawkes> so true cbm! <FreedomStar> because his two best friends are in it and he's not <memyslfnI> the grass is ALWAYS greener <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> with harry, ron, and ginny in it, it's like he's being reminded again that he's not talented enough to be noticed <ProngsPatronus> because it is one more confirmation that he is nothing special (to himself) <Sophia40> No family conections *** FireboltPhoenix has quit [Bye] <FreedomStar> oh yeah, forgot 'bout Ginny *** FireboltPhoenix has joined #lounge <nympheart> they're supposed to be the people who will get far in life, and since he feels the need to compete with his brothers, already being labeled as someone who won't be so successful is hard for him <Aislinn> yes, chocolate, exactly <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, definitely, nymph <cbm> What I liked is that Draco was not in it either <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too cbm! <FreedomStar> that was what I was just thinking cbm <memyslfnI> me too cbm!! <Sophia40> I think that Ron will come back and teach at Hogwarts lololo <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that he was trying to use his father and for once, it didn't work <nympheart> with Draco's only real advantage locked up in Azkaban that wasn't so surprising <FireboltPhoenix> Agreed, cbm... Draco not being in it was great smile <memyslfnI> His father's pull did not get him what he wanted in this case <Aislinn> Ron may not be rich in the eyes of the world, but he has a rich family life, of which Harry is jealous. What does this say about Harry as a person? <Love4Fawkes> That he values what is truely important <KimmyBlair> he values the correct things in life <cbm> He knows what is important in life <nympheart> That's a great contrast to Draco <KimmyBlair> family not money <memyslfnI> Is he jealous? I never got that...if shos that Love is important <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the grass is always greener :-P harry doesn't know the crappy side of family life, either <Sophia40> Agree to All lololo <memyslfnI> it shows, rather, LOL! <Love4Fawkes> then again, he has money and he doesn't have a family so it could show that he wants what he doesn't have <FreedomStar> it shows how he wants that kind of family love, because he didn't get it from the Dursley's <cbm> I wold say he longed for that life, not that he is jealous of ron <FireboltPhoenix> It's a real testament to Harry's character... he's got his priorities straight <Aislinn> I think he envies Ron a bit for his family, and he is envying that which is much more important than wealth or fame <memyslfnI> I never got the envy..I need to reread! LOL! <Aislinn> yes firebolt <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Aislinn <FreedomStar> it's really true that you want the most what yo udon't have. <nympheart> I'd say he's jealous of Ron, especially on occasions like Christmas in the first couple books <FreedomStar> you* <cbm> Look at what he say in the mirror, so maybe desire is the right word *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> Have Ron and Hermione been the most jealous people in the series? What may Jo be trying to show us through all of the examples of rivalry and jealousy in her books? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> for a child with absolutely no attachments growing up, it must seem like heaven to have someone to talk to and play with and be around who won't hit you as soon as look at you <KimmyBlair> I don't think the most jealouse... <Sophia40> I got awe from Harry toward the Weasley way of life <KimmyBlair> we just see them the most often... *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, kimmy <cbm> I have no idea <nympheart> bye everyone, Criminal Minds is on... *** nympheart left #lounge [] <ProngsPatronus> I think that they show their jealousies openly <KimmyBlair> I think Voldemort is probably the most Jealouse.... we just never see him <Love4Fawkes> love criminal minds smile <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, Ron and Hermione... their "jealousy" is a result of the tension between them <ProngsPatronus> which a lot of the characters don't do <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think if we were around Draco, we'd see a lot of jealousy from him <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but we're just not around hhim often <memyslfnI> unite to defeat the Dark Lord. Ron and Hermione MUST be resolved in order for HArry to succeed..They are stronger as a trio, and when they fight, it distracts Harry. <KimmyBlair> exactly choclate <FreedomStar> gotta go, lots of hw left to do still. *** FreedomStar has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> thanks for the great chat, everyone! <Aislinn> we'll see you again soon <KimmyBlair> woot! <Joyhawk2121> bye everyone <FireboltPhoenix> Yes, it was a blast! smile <Love4Fawkes> thanks everyone! I had so much fun! <FireboltPhoenix> bye, everbody <memyslfnI> bye all!!! Off to watch American Idol!! <ProngsPatronus> it has been a wonderful chat, folks! <KimmyBlair> bye! <cbm> bye *** Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] <Love4Fawkes> bye everyone <Sophia40> That it is a part of life but that maturing leads you out of the jealousy rivalry loop *** cbm left #lounge [] *** memyslfnI has quit [Bye] *** Love4Fawkes has quit [Bye] <KimmyBlair> everyone have fun at Pheonix rising if you are going! And send your pictures to images@the-leaky-cauldron.org! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha smile i love the corner booth!!! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thanks mods! <KimmyBlair> and I'm out <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> youre doing great prongs smile <chocolateisnotforbreakfast>  <Aislinn> you're welcome smile * KimmyBlair seconds <Sophia40> that time all read aaaawwww <FireboltPhoenix> awwwww biggrin *** KimmyBlair has quit [Bye] * ProngsPatronus turn out the lights, the party's over... <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye! <Aislinn> bye Firebolt, Sophia <Sophia40> Bye everyone have fun see ya later <FireboltPhoenix> bye! *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] <Aislinn> bye chocolate *** FireboltPhoenix left #lounge [] *** Sophia40 left #lounge [] -------------------- OPAST, Vault 717, Order of the Holy Grain
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