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A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. <ProngsPatronus> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules <ProngsPatronus> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! <ProngsPatronus> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! <fawkes28> We've seen in the Harry Potter series how jealousies and petty differences can spell the end of friendships. Fortunately for our heroes, such as Harry and the trio, usually dramatic events unfold in the plot that allow them to set aside their hurts and forgive and forget. <fawkes28> For some characters their rivalries run much deeper since they are borne out of the struggle between good and evil, the purely selfish and those whose hearts are pure (or are trying to be pure!) <fawkes28> We don't yet know what power love might have to overcome these deeper rivalries in the last installment of the books, so for tonight we pause to take a glimpse into jealousy and rivalry and how it drives the characters in the Harry Potter series. <fawkes28> What are some events that have contributed to the rivalry between Draco and Harry & the trio? <nympheart> one of the first things Draco said to Harry was an insult about Harry's only friend at the time <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think Draco was raised to hate the Weasley's... it isn't until Harry chooses Ron over Draco that the rivalry is truly formed <Wierdgirl5834> the whole mudblood thing <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Draco was willing to be friends with Harry, until Harry CHOSE not to smile <Wierdgirl5834> choosing ron to be a friend <nympheart> Harry's a Gryffindor and knows he's not supposed to like Slytherins, and vice versa <cbm> I think it started with Draco's attitude and went downhill from there <FireboltPhoenix> Yes, definitely... and the fact that Draco wanted to choose Harry's friends for him at first <Wierdgirl5834> Let's see..um the whole Hagrid Buckbeak execution <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, cbm.... the instant mental reminder of Dudley <nympheart> and Norbert too, wg <cbm> I would not be friends with someone like draco, so I think he made the perfect decision <Aislinn> totally agree, cbm <Wierdgirl5834> oh and the inquisitorial squad <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if he hadn't been raised by the Dursley's, Harry might not have had such a reaction <Aislinn> Harry was able to see what type of person he was right from the beginning <nympheart> yes, chocolate, Draco is similar to Dudly in that they're both spoiled brats <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly, aislinn... other kids might see it as cool <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but harry sees through it <Aislinn> INsulting Hagrid, and then Ron, sealed Harry's opinion <Sophia40> Dudley has had a rivalry with harry from the get go <Wierdgirl5834> and then the midnight duel that never occured in book 1 <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, i love that chapter, weird <Aislinn> Why in Book 6 did Draco think Snape wanted to steal his glory? Is this a common problem amongst Death Eaters - competing for the nonexistent position of Voldemort's "favorite"? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> wierdgirl... lol, weird is an awkward nickname <Sophia40> So anyone who reminded Harry of him would not have stood a chance any way <cbm> He wanted to be #1 <nympheart> I would think that would happen a lot with the DEs <FireboltPhoenix> I would say that competition is a big thing among DEs <Aislinn> yes, and with a Slytherin <ProngsPatronus> I think there is much jostling for position in the DE camp *** Punky has joined #lounge <nympheart> Draco's a spoiled only child, he always needs to be on top <Aislinn> the song says they are of great ambition <Aislinn> hi punky <FireboltPhoenix> And that's probably why the majority of DEs are Slytherins, I think <nympheart> hello punky <ProngsPatronus> hey, punky <Punky> Hi all <Wierdgirl5834> yeah just look at Bellatrix, she always brags about being Voldemort's fav, so it is likely for draco to think that <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I'd say bellatrix helped change his view of Snape, too... she sees Snape as a rival, and then became Draco's teacher <cbm> He wants glory, but he does not want to do the work to get there, he just wants to use his family to get ahead <Sophia40> I wonder what rewards there are to being LV favorite <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too, Sophia <ProngsPatronus> I don't know about that, firebolt--Gryffindors are pretty competitive, too <nympheart> Draco has finally found something his daddy can't buy for him <Wierdgirl5834> oh yeah <FireboltPhoenix> Competitive, yes, but the way I see it, Slytherins are definitely of that dog-eat-dog, every man for himself mentality <Wierdgirl5834> bellatrix has been a bad influence! <Aislinn> yes, firebolt, and the ones that would be attracted to the Death Eaters would probably have that tendency even more <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't know if draco was really in for it for the glory to begin with... i think he was more concerned about the fact that he was the last line of defense for the Malfoy family before Voldemort just wiped them out <ProngsPatronus> I think much of the competiveness is started by LV himself <Sophia40> nympheart You don't think Snape hasn't already sold his soul <ProngsPatronus> to keep them off-balance <FireboltPhoenix> That's a definite possibility, Prongs <Aislinn> that's probably true, prong <Aislinn> s <FireboltPhoenix> And a good strategy by Voldemort to keep control <cbm> choco, I do not think it started like that, but I think he was scared by the end <ProngsPatronus> plus, evil has its own dynamic <ProngsPatronus> trust is not a big part of that <Aislinn> Is Snape jealous of Harry? What are some events that have contributed to a rivalry between the two of them? <Wierdgirl5834> nope jealous of james <Wierdgirl5834> not harry <nympheart> to snape it's almost the same thing <FireboltPhoenix> I don't know... I kind of think that Snape is jealous of Harry in some twisted way <Aislinn> I think he is jealous of the attention that Harry gets <nympheart> I think he's jealous of Harry's popularity, just like he was of James <Sophia40> Snape has mentioned that Harry is like his father so i think the jealousy for James has carried over to harry from Snape <Aislinn> especially from Dumbledore <Wierdgirl5834> Yeah see it all goes back to James. He's jealous of James, and his rivalry has passed on to Harry. <nympheart> the pensieve was a major event contributing to their rivalry <ProngsPatronus> I think Snape is jealous of the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore <FireboltPhoenix> Oh yeah, I definitely agree about the attention and the popularity. <fawkes28> Snape is jealous that harry gets away with him - it irks him big time <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think Snape is intensely jealous of Harry, but that's because I think Snape was trying to kill Voldemort himself, even before spying for the order. He might have told the prophecy to voldemort hoping he'd send Voldemort to his death? If he found out he wasn't the one to kill Voldemort (maybe because of a personal vendetta) I can see how he'd be very jealous <nympheart> i think Harry knowing that Snape was on the bottom rung of the ladder was a blow to Snape *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge <Aislinn> hi Me <ProngsPatronus> hey, M! <Wierdgirl5834> hello <nympheart> hi me <memyslfnI> hi! <FireboltPhoenix> hello <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Snape is a slytherin, and i can see that if he wanted to get rid of Voldemort himself, like for revenge, he'd be VERY angry if he wouldn't be able to do it himself <Sophia40> hi*waving <ProngsPatronus> we are talking about whether Snape is jealous of harry <fawkes28> hey Me <cbm> I am having a hard time with the right word to describe the relationship between Harry and Snape, Snape is jealous, but at the same time feels he is superior to Harry <fawkes28> i think one of the best examples of jealously throughout the series is Snape being jealous of Harry <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree, cbm... he feels superior, and yet if Snape knows the prophecy is about Harry, he knows that his superiority means nothing <ProngsPatronus> I see it as something like two apprentices--and one is much older than the other, but the younger gets more attention <Wierdgirl5834> it's called "I loath you" "You loath me" "We're a hating family" *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge <nympheart> hi NYB <NYBookworm> hi <Wierdgirl5834> whoops i spelled loathe wrong <Aislinn> How did some of the rivalries and slight jealousies that Sirius was dealing with affect the decisions he made in Book 5? <ProngsPatronus> hi, NYB! <FireboltPhoenix> This is an interesting question... and I think they made a huge impact on his decisions <nympheart> he felt the need to show Snape that he was not worthless to the Order <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> his rivalry with his family determined how he treated Kreacher, which turned out to be a big mistake <Wierdgirl5834> Well like Harry says it - it's all Snape's fault. <Sophia40> He was goaded again by Snape <Aislinn> I actually don't see the struggles that Sirius had in book 5 as jealousies, but as frustrations about feeling trapped <cbm> It made him very protective of Harry against Snape <Wierdgirl5834> course it did *** Sophia40 has quit [Bye] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree cbm... that warmed my heart a little * chocolateisnotforbreakfast loves protective men <Wierdgirl5834> oh god <Aislinn> it was great the way he stood up for Harry when Snape came by to talk about the Occlumency lessons <nympheart> and in a different way against Molly, cbm <memyslfnI> I always felt that Sirius was depressed. Like a wolf would be if it was caged. He went from one cage to another. Because of this he allowed Snape to get to him. <Aislinn> yes, M, exactly <Wierdgirl5834> oh it's a simile! <ProngsPatronus> good point, M <FireboltPhoenix> That's a good point, too. Sirius wasn't exactly in the greatest of mental shape. <ProngsPatronus> it was like one long, unpleasant flashback <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> You'd think Dumbledore would be able to hide Sirius somewhere other than Grimmauld Place, where he knew that Sirius was stuck with his mother and Kreacher... If the Sorcerer's Stone can hide at Hogwarts, I think Sirius would be able to, also <memyslfnI> He was meant to be wild and free, and his anamagus shape shows us this. I can see him pacing around the kitchen og 12 G Place...back and forth <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, me <chocolateisnotforbreakfast>  poor snuffles<ProngsPatronus> with poor Buckbeak--who was imprisoned, as well <Aislinn> I don't think he decided to hide him at Grimmauld place, chocolate. sirius offered the place as headquarters <Wierdgirl5834> He could hide in a muggle place! Jeez, why didn't dumbledore think of that! <ProngsPatronus> I think DD hid him there because the place was Unplottable <ProngsPatronus> and his first thought was to protect Sirius <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> boooo <Wierdgirl5834> still it hurt sirius <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol <nympheart> in that respect, me, Sirius was jealous of Harry's "freedom," which made him more reckless as well * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat <Aislinn> I think he recommended that Sirius stay there, but it was Sirius who initiated it, by offering the place up for use <ProngsPatronus> maybe not jealous, but envious, certainly <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, nymph.... almost trying to goad harry into recklessness on Sirius' behalf <Aislinn> Are there similarities between the rivalry of Draco & the trio (especially Harry) and Snape & the Marauders (especially James)? <Wierdgirl5834> sorta <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yes, but snape is more similar to Harry and james is more similar to draco <nympheart> I think so, DD made the comparison in SS <memyslfnI> the old vs. the new... But Harry is NOT James <Wierdgirl5834> But Draco isn't greasy haired, and Harry is not conceited <Wierdgirl5834> so there you go <cbm> Snape is in no way simular to Snape in the way he treats people <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> harry's got some goofy hair <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol <fawkes28> i think their relationship is similar <FireboltPhoenix> There are similarities... but there are differences, too. Draco's hatred of the trio is more of a... racial... issue. <nympheart> lol, wierdgirl <cbm> Harry is <cbm> Harry is in no way simular to Snape in the way he treats people <memyslfnI> The rivalry between the tensions that started the first war and the second war are the same <fawkes28> i do think that snape and james' was much more serious than harry and draco's <nympheart> purity of blood is a common issue in both cases as well as Houses <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Harry can be very opinionated, though... he's dictated by his gut reaction to people, which can be detrimental, too. not as toxic as Snape's treatment of people, but Harry's not completley noble in how he sees everyone <Wierdgirl5834> The main difference is that Draco is good looking and Snape wasn't. Plus there was a girl - lily involved. <ProngsPatronus> I agree, M <cbm> Draco and Snape are the same in that they are both jealous of potters <Wierdgirl5834> oh yes <nympheart> from what we've seen, Snape had to stand up to the Marauders without sidekicks, which gives Draco an advantage that Snape didn't <ProngsPatronus> the hatred creates a similar dynamic between Draco and the Trio <memyslfnI> yes, PP <fawkes28> that is very true, nymph <Wierdgirl5834> what're you trying to say? That crabbe and Goyle are side kicks? lol! <ProngsPatronus> they are muscle, which we didn't see in SWM <fawkes28> snape is a loner by nature <FireboltPhoenix> Well, they could certainly be bodyguards... <Wierdgirl5834> smirtks <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right - nothing like a couple of 2 dimensional characters to put behind the rival :-D <ProngsPatronus> not to say that there weren't some gang-related activities with snape <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> didn't someone say that Snape hung out with a crowd who almost all turned out to be death eaters? <ProngsPatronus> but, from what we have seen in canon, he was alone <ProngsPatronus> yes, chocolate <Wierdgirl5834> i wonder what he did when he had to do group projects in school - that snape? <Aislinn> What are the issues at the root of the Sirius/Snape rivalry? *** Punky has quit [Bye] <Wierdgirl5834> Well it's sorta like Ron and Draco <memyslfnI> the luring od Snape to the Shreaking shack <memyslfnI> Snape could have died <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Sirius might see Snape like he sees the rest of his family, which, like Harry's reaction to Draco, can be a deep-seeded thing <nympheart> Sirius rejects his pure-blood background while Snape tries to emphasize that part of his family tree <memyslfnI> It was Sirius idea. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, nymph <Wierdgirl5834> You know friend of James so naturally he's gonna hate him <FireboltPhoenix> Good point, nymph <fawkes28> i think some people just have a natural hatred to each other <cbm> I agree, sirius sees his own families dark background in snape <Aislinn> I think it is a fundamental difference in view - Snape was jealous of Sirius's popularity and achievement in school, and Sirius was disgusted by his involvement in the dark arts <ProngsPatronus> nd a bad childhood <nympheart> Sirius was popular and good-looking and Snape was neither of those <fawkes28> i think Snape also resented Sirius because Sirius is a pure-blood and doesn't act like it <Aislinn> I also think that Snape was probably friends with Regulus,and that this would have bothered Sirius <memyslfnI> Snape represented all of what the Blacks represented..It repulsed him <ProngsPatronus> for sirius, because he did not espouse the family belief <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> one bad childhood moment smile not necessarily an entirely bad experience, Prongs... even though I think you're right to assume that Snape's home life wasn't great <ProngsPatronus> actually, I was talking about Sirius <Wierdgirl5834> snape had a bad daddy so that <memyslfnI> to see someone so immersed in the dark arts would have turned sirius' stomach...Especially if he hated all that his family represented <Wierdgirl5834> is why he is like that <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe, they're so similar i didn't realize it lol <ProngsPatronus> yes, M <nympheart> right, me <ProngsPatronus> and that may be at the root of it all, chocolate <ProngsPatronus> they were similar <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, similar opposites, sort of like Voldemort and Harry *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> but their different choices put them on opposite sides of the fence <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, wow... I've never thought of that before. <FireboltPhoenix> But you're absolutely right <Aislinn> Sirius' brother Regulus likely hung with the same group of Slytherins as Snape - a lot of whom became Death Eaters. Was there a Sirius/Regulus rivalry, and how might it have affected (or been affected by) the Sirius/Snape rivalry? <ProngsPatronus> hi, love4fawkes *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge <memyslfnI> I still think that the incident of luring Snape to the shreaking shack when Lupin was transforming also plays a huge part <Love4Fawkes> hi <ProngsPatronus> hey, seven of nine <Aislinn> Sirius' brother Regulus likely hung with the same group of Slytherins as Snape - a lot of whom became Death Eaters. Was there a Sirius/Regulus rivalry, and how might it have affected (or been affected by) the Sirius/Snape rivalry? <nympheart> hi seven and love <SevenofNine> Hey everyone! *waves* <fawkes28> hey seven <FireboltPhoenix> hello <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> howdy, seven! <nympheart> I've been trying to figure out Regulus for a long time and haven't really gotten anywhere <Wierdgirl5834> R.A.B that's all we need to know <SevenofNine> I think Reg and Snape might have been part of the same social group. <memyslfnI> I am sure Sirius was jealous of Regulus... He was the "golden boy" of the family <fawkes28> me too, nymph <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we don't have much to go off, nymph <cbm> I doubt there was a rivalry, I think that Sirius felt sorry for regulus, at least that is them impression I get from the scene in front of the tapestry <Aislinn> Oh, I don't know that I agree, Me <FireboltPhoenix> If there was a Sirius/Regulus rivalry, it was probably mostly based in different views on the Dark Arts and general Black family beliefs <Aislinn> I think that Sirius rejected everything that his family stood for <SevenofNine> I can visualize a Sirius bashing session between Reg & Snape. <nympheart> yes, wierd, but I want to know why he went after the Horcruxes <Wierdgirl5834> Who would want to be the "Golden boy" of such a revolting family? I know i wouldn't! <Love4Fawkes> Sirius might have been jealous before he understood, but once he understood what his family actually was he didn't want any part of it and I doubt he was jealous <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think he could have been jealous in a way... like harry was jealous of Dudley, even though he in no way wanted to be dudley <SevenofNine> What's intersting about RAB (and I believe he was Regulus) is that there are a couple of reasons he went after the horcrux. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> harry obviously wants the things that dudley gets, and doesn't like his situation <memyslfnI> yes, I do to Aislinn..But what is it like to have your family always disappointed in you? I am sure it is not easy. Especially when young..I bet that hurt <SevenofNine> (1) He turned "good" and decided to fight evil (LV) <SevenofNine> (2) He found out that LV was a fraud and wasn't a pureblood <memyslfnI> Being estranged from your family is hard, no matter how much you reject them <Aislinn> it probably did, M, but I would think he would have been impatient and distant with Regulus, or else tried to make him see the light, as it were <cbm> maybe regulus became jealous of Sirius and his ability to get away from his family and followed him later <SevenofNine> So many possibilities cmb <SevenofNine> *cbm <Wierdgirl5834> I think regulus admired sirius <FireboltPhoenix> There's still an inherent want to be accepted by family... like Me said <nympheart> that's kind of along the lines of my thought, cbm <FireboltPhoenix> Regulus might have been jealous of Sirius's courage to stand up to the family <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I feel like he was indifferent to Regulus... he doesn't care enough to find out what actually happened to him, which I think he'd have done if he had truly hated him <ProngsPatronus> I think Sirius might have been jealous, because the love the Black family gave was not unconditional <memyslfnI> I think that regulus embraced the DE and their philosophy, but once he realized what they actually were about, realized that this was not what he signed up for. <SevenofNine> Chocolate, I think Sirius put on a public face that he was indifferent <SevenofNine> I'm not sure that deep down inside that he was <Love4Fawkes> I agree with both me and firebolt, but I think Sirius disagreed enough with the Black family that he wasn't concerned by their disappointment in him <cbm> go to go, bye *** cbm has quit [Bye] <ProngsPatronus> a family's disappointment always hurts <SevenofNine> I think Sirius was troubled, but decided not to let it control his choices. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, seven, but you think if he hated or cared about regulus enough he'd have tried to discover what happened to regulus <memyslfnI> yes, PP <Love4Fawkes> yes it does, but it can be pushed aside when one knows they are ultimately right <memyslfnI> look at the Dursleys and Harry... <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> which is the only reason why i think it's indifference <SevenofNine> Yes, but we're not really sure about the "when" Chocolate <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true... <Aislinn> Was Petunia jealous of Lily? And if so, how might this have carried over to her treatment of Harry? <memyslfnI> He rejects them and their muggle ways, but it still bothered him for a time <Wierdgirl5834> heck yeah <nympheart> absolutely <SevenofNine> Did Regulus "die" and was later discovered? <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, I definitely think that Petunia was jealous of Lily <SevenofNine> His body, I mean. <FireboltPhoenix> Lily was the "golden girl" of the Evans family. <Wierdgirl5834> well she was a muggle she was a witch. <SevenofNine> Yes Firebolt <Love4Fawkes> I think Petunia was very jealous of Lily and that is why she wanted nothing to do with anything in the wizarding world, including Harry <Aislinn> Yes, Firebolt, it seems as if she must have been <memyslfnI> yes, she was..I bet she was perfect even before she received her letter. <Wierdgirl5834> She could do magic and she couldn't <SevenofNine> Petunia is so forceful in her feellings about Lily. <SevenofNine> So bitter <Wierdgirl5834> don't blame her for it <nympheart> I'm under the impression that Lily was the younger one, so in addition to the sibling rivalry that can arise from that, Lily is "gifted" <SevenofNine> It's a tough one, though Wierd. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Someone has suggested that if Petunia was younger, she might have been expecting a letter as well, and the disappointment of years of anticipating her family's acceptance was hard <SevenofNine> I've raised 6 kids, and they always wanted to be treated the same--even if being treated the same was actually unfair. <SevenofNine> If that makes sense <ProngsPatronus> oh, I think she was supremely jealous of the attention Lily got because Lily was a witch <memyslfnI> yes, it soes 7 of 9 <ProngsPatronus> lots of sibling rivalry there <Love4Fawkes> I blame petunia for it. My siblings all have incredible talents that I don't have. I'm not so jealous of them that I shut them out of my lives!! I focus on the talents I have. <SevenofNine> Yes Prongs - tons. <FireboltPhoenix> Right, Seven... I have a sibling, and I know it's inevitable that we get jealous of each other at times, as close as we are. <SevenofNine> But we really no so little of the "why" of the divide. <Wierdgirl5834> imagine having your little sister going to hogwarts and you not! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> good for you love4fawkes! <memyslfnI> so she belittles it because she has none of the magical talents that Lily has <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> was petunia older? do we know? <Love4Fawkes> lol, thanks chocolate. I would hope that is what most do! <Aislinn> I wonder if it is one of the reasons that she works so hard at appearing "normal" at every turn - it was the only way she could make herself stand out in comparison to Lilly <SevenofNine> Was Petunia jealous because Lily got something that Petunia did not -- or because Petunia lost a beloved sister to this strange magical world? <memyslfnI> I think she was older <Wierdgirl5834> both <FireboltPhoenix> That's a good point, Aislinn <Love4Fawkes> Your right weird, that would be hard, but you don't shut someone out because they got to do something you didn't <SevenofNine> Did they used to share everything, and now here was something they could not share? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, aislinn <nympheart> Petunia was probably older. Dudley and Harry were born about the same time and Lily was 21, which is young, so I've always been inclined to believe Petunia was a couple years older <SevenofNine> Or was there always conficlt? <Wierdgirl5834> i would shut them off <memyslfnI> I think there was always conflict <Aislinn> Is some of Filch's attitude toward the students borne out of jealousy? <memyslfnI> Lily was beautiful..She is not discribed as such.. <SevenofNine> Lily seems like such an inclusive person though <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, definitely. They can do magic and he can't. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Haha, oh filch - i think he's just a mean old man without a mommy <FireboltPhoenix> Big source of jealous there <Love4Fawkes> oh yes!! Filch is SO jealous <Aislinn> I think a lot of it is <nympheart> no doubt about it <SevenofNine> I imagine that's at least part of it. <memyslfnI> I think the rivalry is Petunia's not so much Lily's <SevenofNine> But some of it could jusst be that he's a bully <memyslfnI> sorry..still on last question! LOL <SevenofNine> laugh <Wierdgirl5834> Oh this is similar to Petunia's jealousy! He hates kids cause he's old and he's a squib! <Aislinn> that's ok, M <nympheart> He watches year after year as students whiz by learning what he still hasn't the slightest ability for <SevenofNine> Filch has a couple of different issues, really <Love4Fawkes> I think he is a bully, but he's a bully because he feels like he has something to prove <SevenofNine> He doesn't like kids <SevenofNine> And especially kids who can do things he cannot but would love to be able to <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> just another 2 dimensional character that i don't really care for <memyslfnI> I think that Filtch is on a power trip..He cannot do magic so he tries to rule with a iron fist <FireboltPhoenix> He's got a huge inferiority complex. <memyslfnI> he is compensating <nympheart> definitely, firebolt <SevenofNine> Pfffft - Filch and Snape, memyslfnI <Wierdgirl5834> i heard a theory on mugglecast that he might be the one performing magic later in life *** HPotterExpert2 has joined #lounge <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ew, why were you listening to that <SevenofNine> I hope he is not, Wierd. <nympheart> hi HPotter <SevenofNine> He doesn't deserve it. <ProngsPatronus> ey, expert <Aislinn> lol, chocolate <Love4Fawkes> lol chocolate <memyslfnI> (I think it will be Dudley) <SevenofNine> I hope Mrs. Figg is the one. <HPotterExpert2> Hi all <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> (me too) <nympheart> so do I, me <SevenofNine> She's earned it <FireboltPhoenix> hello HPotter smile <Love4Fawkes> hi HPotter <Wierdgirl5834> Mugglecast rocks! don't call it "ew" chocolate <SevenofNine> Hey Hpotter <Aislinn> Would you consider Dumbledore and Voldemort to be rivals? How does this compare to the rivalry between Harry and Voldemort? <nympheart> she's happy the way she is though, seven * chocolateisnotforbreakfast cringes * chocolateisnotforbreakfast bites her tongue <Love4Fawkes> yes, dd and voldemort are rivals <nympheart> I think LV thinks they're rivals <Wierdgirl5834> course he does <Love4Fawkes> yes i agree nymph <memyslfnI> no, I don't..I think that Voldemort is the student trying to outdo the teacher.. <Aislinn> I don't think Dumbledore views them as rivals <fawkes28> i think of them more as opposites <Aislinn> yes, M, that is much more apt <nympheart> agreed, Aislinn <Wierdgirl5834> Voldy's a smart aleck <FireboltPhoenix> I would agree about the whole one-sided rivalry thing <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Voldemort sees Dumbledore as someone capable of killing him, while he sees Harry as a simple obstacle... <FireboltPhoenix> (On LV's part) <memyslfnI> yes chocoalte <Wierdgirl5834> a simple obstacle he can't defeat <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> when it's really the other way around... not SIMPLE obstacle, but you know <fawkes28> Dumbledore is not the one who the prophecy is about <Aislinn> LV definitely has a need to be perceived as the greatest wizard of all time, and Dumbledore would be the standard against which to be compared <Love4Fawkes> LV view DD as a rival and DD therefore becomes a rival in many people's eyes, but I don't think DD sees himself as a rival <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true, aislinn <nympheart> I don't think he does anymore, chocolate, I think Harry and LV's issues have grown beyond that *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge <SevenofNine> I think LV consideres DD a rival, bit I think DD is too secure in himself to worry about that kind of nonsense <memyslfnI> DD could have killed LV, but the prophecy, because LV acted on it, prevents him from doing so <Aislinn> hi molly *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> I think LV has wanted the attention and the approval of DD since he got to Hogwarts <Aislinn> exactly seven *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] <nympheart> hi molly <Love4Fawkes> exactly seven <FireboltPhoenix> Harry and LV's issue is that they're pretty much just going to have a fight to the death, I think <memyslfnI> yes, PP *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> but without love, it simply couldn't be *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] <memyslfnI> He feels "I am the most talented student! Look at me::" <ProngsPatronus> yes *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] <SevenofNine> Exactly *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> but with Harry, it is far more personal between them *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] <memyslfnI> between Harry and whom PP? <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, definitely, Prongs <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> come on molly! you can do it! <Love4Fawkes> oh yes it is prongs <memyslfnI> LV? <ProngsPatronus> Harry has been literally bred to be the opposite of voldemort, and honed as the tool that will vanquish the dark lord <SevenofNine> LV has certainly made it personal just as Snape has *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge <ProngsPatronus> hey, expie! <fawkes28> hey expie *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] <nympheart> and DD has been involved with that honing <nympheart> hi expie <SevenofNine> Interesting phraseology, Prongs <Expelliarmas> heya peeps *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <SevenofNine> Not exactly like Paul in the book Dune *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge <FireboltPhoenix> And all breeding aside, Harry has a desire to avenge his parents. <SevenofNine> Who was literally bred for the task--just a generation too soon * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't know if LV sees anything as really personal... to take something personally seems like you need to care what someone else thinks about you <SevenofNine> I have issues with the whole revenge angle. <SevenofNine> Good point, chocolate <Aislinn> Why in some of the books have the Ministers of Magic been acting like rivals of Dumbledore? Is the Ministry jealous of Hogwarts and Dumbledore? <Expelliarmas> I think LV cares a lot about his place in history and the regard of other wizards <nympheart> I think LV cares a lot what people think of him <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> oh politics... they're just all over the place <FireboltPhoenix> Oh, Fudge and Dumbledore had so many issues. <SevenofNine> Politics and insecurity. <FireboltPhoenix> Fudge wanted everything Dumbledore had <Wierdgirl5834> they hate dumbledore cuz he's so powerful <Love4Fawkes> The ministers feel threatened by DD <Expelliarmas> Not the ministry being jealous ... they are insecure <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they want wisdom without the nobility and difficult choices that come with it <nympheart> they know DD could have had their position if he wanted, and they're afraid of him changing his mind <Love4Fawkes> he's smart and talented and at one point had a lot of support for the ministry <SevenofNine> well said chocolate <FireboltPhoenix> Exactly, nymph... and chocolate <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thank you smile *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge <Wierdgirl5834> I wanna see fudge dead in book 7 <Wierdgirl5834> although he probably won't <Aislinn> oh, that's a bit harsh, wierdgirl <nympheart> I want to see fudge blubber as he almost dies <Sophia40> had a crash What are we talking about? <FireboltPhoenix> I don't know about that... I think Fudge is pretty much a non-person now <Expelliarmas> the ministers don't want wisdom, they want power and the perception that they are fully in control <Aislinn> we're talking about the Ministers of Magic being jealous of Dumbledore, sophia <ProngsPatronus> DD is a prince of the Wizarding World--and I think that Fudge knew himself to be an inferior wizard *** HPotterExpert2 has quit [Bye] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Dumbledore has the ability to see the consequences of events, probably better than anyone on earth. He can guess what will happen with such certainty... he even knew what would happen if he loved Harry... knew it from the beginning of the plan. I think the gift of seeing the consequences of a decision is VERY important in politics <ProngsPatronus> it a meritocracy, Fudge would lose <Aislinn> right, expie - it is the power they are attracted to <Love4Fawkes> that is a great point chocolate <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thanks smile <Aislinn> they don't understand that DD commands respect and authority because of his wisdom - it's not something that they can imitate <nympheart> And Scrimgeor came along when there was already a clear line between loyalty to DD and the MoM, so the competition he sees is more real <Wierdgirl5834> this reminds me of that song by "Harry and the Potters" <Expelliarmas> DD has an aura of power about him that the ministers would find intimidating, given that power is what they most crave <Sophia40> I love Harry and the Potters <Aislinn> exactly, expie <ProngsPatronus> and I think that they cannot fathom his decision to be at hogwarts, with that kind of magical charisma <FireboltPhoenix> Good point... DD has power without even asking, the ministers have to work for it <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> loyalty means nothing in politics... a politician is only loyal to their desire to keep their title <FireboltPhoenix> Definite source of contention. <SevenofNine> Exactly, Aislinn <Love4Fawkes> DD is the type of person who does not demand loyality, but people give it willingly anyway just because of who he is and how he handles himself. He gains respect because he gives respect. The ministers with they could find that themselves <Expelliarmas> in a room full of people, DD would always stand out, the ministers would have to be jealous of that <SevenofNine> Like a little girl who admires a noble woman and think all she has to do is dress like her. <Sophia40> Well they just don't have the same ambitions as DD. DD was al about the students nad not he politics <ProngsPatronus> yep--magical charisma <ProngsPatronus> DD has it, the ministers do not <Aislinn> Hogwarts houses compete maniacally for the Quidditch Cup. The winner of the House Cup is also very important. Why don't students compete more in classes to gain points? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, love 4 fawkes, just like Harry handled the DA... he didn't ask for it, but he had the experience and the know-how that earned their respect <Love4Fawkes> exactly prongs <Wierdgirl5834> cuz it's academics duh! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> aww, sevenofnine, that made me smile <nympheart> because that takes work...who wants to do that? <Expelliarmas> because academic competitions are for geeks, the jocks get the glory <FireboltPhoenix> It's human nature to be more competitive in sports. <Love4Fawkes> they would rather win it on the field <Wierdgirl5834> other than hermione who gives a heck about school stuff <Expelliarmas> the academic geeks are seen as insufferable knowitalls <nympheart> the Ravenclaws probably do, but we haven't seem much of them in classes <SevenofNine> With a teacher like Snape, why try? <Wierdgirl5834> I mean i'm sure some of them do but seriously..... <Sophia40> Well certain Professor award for acedemics <Expelliarmas> true, nympheart <Wierdgirl5834> If a gryffindor tries in Snape <SevenofNine> Yes, fortunately not all of them are like Snivelus <Wierdgirl5834> they will end up losing points <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think they try... it sometimes gives them a good boost when their house receives points. Or, if the other house earns it, they might try to answer more questions as a result <Aislinn> Wierdgirl - please check the top of your screen <Expelliarmas> i think snape would short all the houses in favor of slytherin <memyslfnI> I bdet they do, we just don't see it.. <Wierdgirl5834> got it.... <ProngsPatronus> I agree, m <SevenofNine> Exactly Exp <Love4Fawkes> i agree expie <SevenofNine> Even though several of his Slytherin students are less than stellar <FireboltPhoenix> I think all the Heads of Houses would kind of try to help their houses... but not to Snape's extreme. <ProngsPatronus> we have seen teachers give housepoints for responding properly to questions--like Flitwick and Minerva <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> snape... so little control over his life... he's gotta feel in control of SOMETHING... might as well be the house points lol <Love4Fawkes> lol chocolate <nympheart> lol, yes chocolate, and he tries for Harry too <FireboltPhoenix> Freud would say that Snape's definitely got a fixation. <SevenofNine> Yes, Prongs. I've attended college classes where the prof would toss out smarties candies when people answered his questions right. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe <SevenofNine> Felt like I was in elementary school again. laugh <Sophia40> Snape is the only one except Umbridge of course who is baised toward Griffyndors <Love4Fawkes> interesting seven, i'm not sure if i'd like that <Expelliarmas> Bet it was a fun class, 7 <SevenofNine> It actually was - Ethics *** FreedomStar has joined #lounge <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'd not answer, for fear of embarassing myself when I fail to catch the candy and it hits me in the eye <nympheart> i'm jealous seven, that's against the law in my high school <Aislinn> House rivalries over Quidditch matches cause players to lose study time, sleep and even meals, not to mention all the hexing and taunting that goes on in the hallways. Why did Jo make the off-field part of the rivalry nearly as fierce as what we see happen in the actual matches? <SevenofNine> Really? <Love4Fawkes> slytherins in general are agains griffyndors <nympheart> state law, yes, really *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] <Wierdgirl5834> cuz it's typical high school <FireboltPhoenix> Rivalries are intense things... take Duke vs. UNC, for example. <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think it's how sports rivalries really are... <memyslfnI> I think it adds to the symbolism of the houses being devided <SevenofNine> Wow. Aislinn, I think it's because that's a real thing. <SevenofNine> Stupid, but real *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge <Expelliarmas> to make it more real <Love4Fawkes> it is how sport rivalires are! <memyslfnI> and the need to nite them <Expelliarmas> my college rivalries were fierce <memyslfnI> unite, rather <SevenofNine> And at the same time to divide them <Expelliarmas> to this day, my license plate reflects my undergrad degree <Aislinn> I agree that it is typical for school rivalries to center around sport teams <Love4Fawkes> if we actually had attended classes with our high school rivals it wouldn't have been good! <Joyhawk2121> hello everyone <nympheart> it shows how deep the rivalries really go <Expelliarmas> heya joyhawk <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I can't help but sneer at Michigan, or turn my nose up at michigan license plates, even though I have nothing really against Michigan or any specific person from there lol <ProngsPatronus> quidditch seems to be an obsession <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> growing up in ohio does that to a person <Wierdgirl5834> i mean they make quidditch a big deal just how americans makea big deal out of baseball or basketball <ProngsPatronus> so, the rivalries go on 24/7 <FreedomStar> it's the competition <Sophia40> I think that people in general view sports rivalry that way so I am not supprized that Jo choose to express this as well * nympheart isn't even in college yet and has been wearing her colors for six months <Expelliarmas> sports do that, it tends to be passionate whereas academics are not <FreedomStar> competing naturally brings out these little personalities you didn't know exist <Love4Fawkes> lol that's loyality nymph!! <FireboltPhoenix> lol same here chocolate... I'm a Duke student/fan, I can't help but disliking everything from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe firebolt <Love4Fawkes> I went to a small college - we didn't have strong sprot rivalrys <SevenofNine> Or football, Wierd <Expelliarmas> it can be any sport <Aislinn> Amongst the houses, is the Slytherin vs. Gryffindor rivalry the strongest? Is this simply because of Salazar and Godric, or are there other reasons the two houses like to fight? <SevenofNine> That's a BIG funraiser from alumni <Love4Fawkes> But I'm a Red Sox fan so I HATE the yankees! <Sophia40> N3xted question Please lololololol <SevenofNine> Who knows? <memyslfnI> I think it is Aislinn <SevenofNine> It's been over 1000 years <Expelliarmas> we don't see the other houses, though <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think their life aspirations are the most opposite... one is for bravery while the other is for self preservation <Love4Fawkes> It probably stems back to salazar and godric <SevenofNine> It might have stemmed from that or developed over time. <Wierdgirl5834> cuz it's suppose to be like that <Aislinn> I agree, M, that it's rooted in that old rivalry/disagreement <FireboltPhoenix> Yeah, the Slytherin vs. Gryffindor rivalry kind of passed down through the generations, i think <memyslfnI> their rift was spoken about in the sorting hat song...the fact that they were once great friends makes the rift even worse I think.. <nympheart> i think it was probably the strongest, the nature of Gryffindors would take any conflict to the extreme <Love4Fawkes> salazar and godrics were good friends and probably the gryffidnors were especially hurt when slytherin left <Sophia40> We don't get to see other houses all though we did see a bit of Ravenclaw <SevenofNine> It's strange that if there was a rift and Salazar left that his house remained. <memyslfnI> Hatred spans generations unfortunately <Aislinn> and tends to feed on itself <SevenofNine> I wonder why they never closed Slytherin House. *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge <Aislinn> that's a good question, seven <FireboltPhoenix> Agreed, Me... that's something we talked about in psychology a little bit <Love4Fawkes> it is a little strange seve, but it is probably what slytherin and the other founders wanted - to continue on as is <Sophia40> Do you think that there was rivalry between the twoo houses *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] <Wierdgirl5834> course there is <ProngsPatronus> I think that Slytherin House is an essential prt of Hogwarts <SevenofNine> even after the rift, Love? That's what I find odd. <nympheart> Gryffindors and Hufflepuffs seem to mix well, and I think Ravenclaws and Slytherins would get along with their emphasis on mental abilities, so maybe Rowena had something to do with that. <Sophia40> I don't because that was never intimated <ProngsPatronus> they are the dark side of the wizarding nature <SevenofNine> If they fought so badly over the different philosophies, I find it strange they didn't shut the one down. <Love4Fawkes> He left because he didn't agree with how things were going, but he probably still wanted the students he deemed worthy in their own house <Wierdgirl5834> are you trying to say rowena had a crush on salzar?! lol! <SevenofNine> Or, perhaps certain families would not have sent their children to the school. <nympheart> I may consider that a disgrace to my house... <FireboltPhoenix> I think Slytherin house was left out of respect to Salazar's legacy. <SevenofNine> If they'd closed it. <SevenofNine> I wonder what his legacy really is. <Love4Fawkes> I agree firebolt <Sophia40> The rift was caused by Slythrin alone I htink <nympheart> I just mean they seem to think in fairly similar ways <Love4Fawkes> that could be sophia <SevenofNine> Besides a secret chamber with a nasty murderous basilisk in it. laugh <Sophia40> oops *think <Wierdgirl5834> his legacy is to pass on snake language and purebloodedness <Wierdgirl5834> it's quite logical <FireboltPhoenix> Well, it was a good plot device... ;) <Love4Fawkes> the love of the pureblood wizard! <SevenofNine> Exactly, Firebolt! <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think ambition and bravery are sometimes not blendable... a slytherin's motivations are rooted in themselves, while gryffindor motivations tend to be rooted in an ideal <Love4Fawkes> wow, that's deep chocolate!! <SevenofNine> If the school was flegling then they may have need the people who believe with Salazar <memyslfnI> Maybe they couldnt? Maybe there is the way the school was designed and it was a binding discision? <Aislinn> that's exactly how i see it, chocolate <nympheart> chocolate is on a roll today <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha <Sophia40> I think it is a trait of all Slythrins to be narrow minded and self absorbed <FireboltPhoenix> Well said, chocolate <Love4Fawkes> that's a good point me * chocolateisnotforbreakfast blushes <SevenofNine> *notworthy* chocolate <SevenofNine> Once again, well said. <memyslfnI> an unbreakable vow? <Wierdgirl5834> Nagini is Salazar's great great great great grandsnake <SevenofNine> Can one say one's own neck and still be considered brave? <Wierdgirl5834> cause I <Aislinn> I don't think so, M, more like the Triwizard cup binding contract <ProngsPatronus> I think the magic of Slytherin is interwoven into the fabric of Hogwarts <SevenofNine> Does Snape suffere from Gryffindor envy? <memyslfnI> yes, PP and Aislinn..I agree.. <SevenofNine> Is that why he has such a complex about being called a coward? <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, seven... it's like when slughorn wouldnt give up the memory... his safety was more important than the possible positive results that could come from sharing his memory <Expelliarmas> I think snape suffers from all sorts of envy, grooming at the top of the list <nympheart> I'd say so, seven, you have to stand up for yourself to save your own life and that takes courage <nympheart> lol expie <Aislinn> Are there incidences in Book 6 of Mrs. Weasley treating Fleur like a rival? <Wierdgirl5834> yeah <FreedomStar> yes definitely <FireboltPhoenix> Oh yes <nympheart> the radio on christmas eve <SevenofNine> No the way I look at it. <Wierdgirl5834> it seems like all mother in-laws are like that! <SevenofNine> Explain what you mean by a rival? <FreedomStar> the one clear scene was from the beginning, when Fleur barged into Harry's room with a tray of food. <fawkes28> i dont think any woman will be good enough for her son - that is how mom's are <Expelliarmas> I don't think so, i think molly wanted to make sure fleur was really worthy of Bill. She was looking out for her son. <Sophia40> Well lets think was Salazaar a coward because that seems to be trait of the Slythrin bunch <Aislinn> yes, expie <Aislinn> I never saw it as a rivalry <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't know if i see it as a rivalry as much as I see it as fleur is an annoyance that molly is having a hard time figuring out how to deal with <SevenofNine> Same here Aislinn. <Expelliarmas> I think she feared the pain Fleur could cause if she broke things off with bill or proved flighty <SevenofNine> I've known mothers who really thought their sons' wives were rivals. <ProngsPatronus> I think most mothers look askance at the "other woman" in their sons' lives <SevenofNine> I've never seen Molly's feeling it that way. <Wierdgirl5834> You see it's the same thing on t.v, like on that show "Everybody Love's Raymond" Marie hates debra just like Molly hates Fleur <Aislinn> not a pretty picture seven, and I agree, it's not one we've seen from Molly <FreedomStar> I think it's natural to feel a bit anxious at the prospect of a new woman in her son's life. <SevenofNine> *raises hand* Not me! And I have 4 sons. <FreedomStar> I don't think molly hates fleur <Wierdgirl5834> smirks <Expelliarmas> no, i think molly wanted to see fleur measure up, and she finally did at the end *** KimmyBlair has joined #lounge <Aislinn> hi kimmy <SevenofNine> Yes, Exp <Expelliarmas> heya kimmy! -------------------- OPAST, Vault 717, Order of the Holy Grain
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