WWW Chat Transcript - 6/27/07, Mythology |
 Jun 27 2007, 08:31 PM
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Today's Text Chat Moderators were: Expelliarmas, fawkes28, Prongs Patronus
[18:58] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [18:58] *** Topic is: Mythology in Harry Potter [18:59] <memyslfnI> I am early! How embarrassing! its like being first at a party! [18:59] *** chocolate89 has joined #lounge [18:59] <fawkes28> hey M and chocolate [18:59] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [18:59] <chocolate89> hello there [18:59] <ProngsPatronus> M! [18:59] <Expelliarmas> heya [18:59] <ProngsPatronus> chocolate! [18:59] *** Obsessed_much has joined #lounge [19:00] <ProngsPatronus> hey, obsessed [19:00] <fawkes28> hello obsessed [19:00] <Obsessed_much> hey [19:00] <Obsessed_much> hey [19:00] <Obsessed_much> sry [19:00] <chocolate89> hey prongs [19:00] <chocolate89> hey expelliarmus [19:00] <chocolate89> hey fawkes [19:00] <Obsessed_much> hey every1 [19:01] <fawkes28> we're chatting about mythology tonight! [19:01] <chocolate89> i know! [19:01] <chocolate89> *is so excited* [19:01] <Obsessed_much> this is different I've never done this before [19:01] <fawkes28> i hope you like it - we do smile [19:02] *** Nimthiriel has joined #lounge [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> nim! [19:02] <chocolate89> hey Nim [19:02] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [19:02] <Nimthiriel> Hey! [19:02] <stewiegryf> hey everyone! [19:02] <fawkes28> hello nim and stewie [19:02] <fawkes28> long time no see, stewie! [19:02] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> stewie--hey! [19:02] <stewiegryf> yeah...summer is a busy time [19:02] <cbm> Hi everyone [19:03] <chocolate89> hey cbm [19:03] *** Obsessed_much has quit [Bye] [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> hello, cbm [19:03] <stewiegryf> how's everyone doing on this lovely wednesday? [19:03] <cbm> I am doing VERY well [19:03] *** Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece has joined #lounge [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> wondering whether it will flood here [19:03] *** Obsessed_much has joined #lounge [19:03] <Obsessed_much> sry about that [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> hello, Persephone [19:03] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> hey [19:03] <memyslfnI> LOL! Me too PP, lots of rain! [19:03] <chocolate89> *flood prongs? [19:04] <Obsessed_much> yea [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> I think you will like the chat tonight [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> yes [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> it has been raining so much here in the last 24 hours [19:04] <Obsessed_much> same here [19:04] <Obsessed_much> but we need it [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> we don't [19:04] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> at least you are getting some [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> true [19:05] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> we haven't had a good downpour for a few years now [19:05] <chocolate89> oh dear [19:05] <Obsessed_much> i thought that my lawn was going to die [19:05] *** lothlorien has joined #lounge [19:05] <fawkes28> hello persephone- should be a great topic for you [19:05] <ProngsPatronus> hello, lothlorien [19:05] <fawkes28> hello lothlorien [19:05] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> smile thanks smile i never miss the chance to talk about mythology [19:06] <lothlorien> Hi everyone, I haven't been around for chats for awhile. Glad to be here tonight. [19:06] <memyslfnI> Just to toot my own horn everyone! i got my first byline today! I am a paid writer in the newspaper! [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> woohoo! [19:06] <chocolate89> congrats! [19:06] <Obsessed_much> good for you [19:06] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> congratulations! [19:06] <fawkes28> yay! congratulations M :cheers: [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> party15 [19:06] <fawkes28> party15 [19:06] <lothlorien> Congrats! How exciting, MemyselfnI [19:06] <fawkes28> lol [19:06] <stewiegryf> congrats memyslfnI ! [19:06] <chocolate89> *throws confetti* [19:06] <Obsessed_much> congrats [19:07] <memyslfnI> Its a Harry Potter contest intro (of course!) I will post the link for you all to read when i find it1 [19:07] <fawkes28> let's see if the vino works :wine: [19:07] <lothlorien> I am not very well read in Mythology, so I am hoping to learn something here tonight more than contribute. [19:07] <fawkes28> i am sure you will [19:08] <memyslfnI> http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp...sdate=6/27/2007 [19:08] <fawkes28> Thanks for the link! [19:08] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> if i have anything to say about it you will Lothlorien! smile I'm a myth-nut! lol [19:08] <memyslfnI> the storms knoced out the server, so it will be down for a bit [19:08] <memyslfnI> I can tell by your name! [19:08] <ProngsPatronus> I was having trouble with that earlier [19:09] <fawkes28> we have a mythology thread in Obscurus Books if anyone wants to check it out after the chat: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1271763 [19:09] <Obsessed_much> so the chat doesnt start till 7:00 right? [19:09] *** LandonWoodrow has joined #lounge [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> the chat starts in about 8 minutes [19:09] <chocolate89> Landon!!!! [19:09] <LandonWoodrow> choco!! [19:09] <Obsessed_much> o [19:09] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> thanks Fawkes smile [19:09] <Obsessed_much> yay! [19:10] <fawkes28> hello Landon [19:10] <LandonWoodrow> hey fawkes [19:10] <Obsessed_much> im totally new in here [19:10] <lothlorien> HI, Landon and Obsessed! [19:10] <Obsessed_much> hi [19:10] <Nimthiriel> Hey landonn!!! [19:10] <LandonWoodrow> hey [19:10] <lothlorien> Welcome, Obsessed! [19:10] <LandonWoodrow> nimmmmmm [19:10] <chocolate89> Obsessed are you knew to the booth, or to leaky in general? [19:11] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> don't worry obsessed - i'm in the smae boat - so to speak [19:11] <Obsessed_much> to the booth i have always missed the chats by like a day [19:11] <LandonWoodrow> how do you change font colors in this joint? [19:11] <Nimthiriel> the << on the right side [19:11] <fawkes28> where you type [19:11] <LandonWoodrow> ohhh [19:11] <ProngsPatronus> look in the bottom right of the screen, and click on the arrows [19:11] <Nimthiriel> there ya go smile [19:11] <LandonWoodrow> thanks [19:11] <fawkes28> we are all very picky about our colors in here wink [19:11] <ProngsPatronus> you are welcome1 [19:11] <chocolate89> anyone checked out those 11 new clips? [19:11] <cbm> very true [19:11] <Nimthiriel> *always uses green* [19:12] <LandonWoodrow> i couldnt find them [19:12] <chocolate89> *same with purple* [19:12] <LandonWoodrow> of course you do nimmm [19:12] <chocolate89> Landon!!! [19:12] <LandonWoodrow> everything was in GERMAN [19:12] <chocolate89> after this chat ill help you find them! [19:12] <Nimthiriel> Im just waiting for the movie to come out [19:12] <Obsessed_much> i wonder [19:12] <cbm> I am almost getting burned out on movie news, so I am going to avoid it for a bit [19:12] <memyslfnI> I like green too! its the irish in me! [19:12] * stewiegryf doesn't change colors because he can't figure out which one to pick [19:12] <chocolate89> no no they have them in english now! [19:12] <Obsessed_much> me too [19:12] <Nimthiriel> lol [19:12] <fawkes28> lol stewie [19:12] <LandonWoodrow> lol [19:12] <lothlorien> lol [19:12] <cbm> I think they need more colors [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, cbm [19:13] <fawkes28> hey cbm - didnt see you sneak in [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> several other blues would be nice [19:13] <lothlorien> The names of my colors don't show up, so I have to guess what color I am choosing. [19:13] <Obsessed_much> can i use pink too or should i use a different color? [19:13] <fawkes28> i guess i will share [19:13] <lothlorien> I may keep guessing until I find one I like. [19:13] <chocolate89> hehe [19:14] <LandonWoodrow> *doesnt think you should pick that one* [19:14] <chocolate89> hehehe [19:14] <lothlorien> Sorry, this may require some experimentation. [19:14] <cbm> I I try to pick one that few people have [19:14] <Obsessed_much> okay [19:14] <Obsessed_much> i will pick this one [19:14] <Obsessed_much> does it offend anyone? [19:14] <fawkes28> you all can pick whichever ones you want, we just like to tease smile [19:14] <memyslfnI> can't go wrong with ravenclaw colors! [19:15] <Obsessed_much> lol now i want gold! [19:15] *** Narya has joined #lounge [19:15] <lothlorien> I have a MAC. I don't think the colors show up for that reason. [19:15] <ProngsPatronus> lol--just don't pick that colour when Aislinn is in the Booth! [19:15] <Obsessed_much> gryffindor [19:15] <stewiegryf> The great thing about not changing colors is that not many people use black [19:15] <LandonWoodrow> uh oh [19:15] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Narya! [19:15] <LandonWoodrow> dont get nimmmm started [19:15] <ProngsPatronus> so good to see you! [19:15] <fawkes28> hey Narya! [19:15] <memyslfnI> Hi! Narya!!!!! [19:15] <Narya> Hi all [19:15] <LandonWoodrow> brb [19:15] <lothlorien> Hi, Narya. [19:15] <fawkes28> Macs are crazy, just ask Expie [19:15] <lothlorien> Crazy, Expie?? [19:16] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [19:16] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [19:16] <fawkes28> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <Expelliarmas> Mythology permeates the fabric of the Harry Potter universe-- there are so many references and correspondances that it would be impossible to discuss them in one chat. [19:17] <Expelliarmas> All that Muggles have found to be fantastic, magical, or improbable have found a home in the Wizarding World; here, legend becomes life. Tonight, we will skim the literary cream of the mythological world as it applies to Harry Potter. [19:17] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:17] <Expelliarmas> First, let's turn to Harry's true home, Hogwarts. The environs of the School of Witchcraft and Wizardry is a mini-United Nations of myth and legend. Centaurs, hippogriffs, elves,giants, unicorns, merfolk--even a kraken-- call this home. [19:17] <Expelliarmas> How has the presence of these creatures enriched the lives of the students of Hogwarts? [19:17] <Expelliarmas> (and yes, fawkes is crazy) [19:17] <fawkes28> pfft [19:17] *** DorisTLC has joined #lounge [19:17] <Narya> *Narya is counting, btw* [19:18] * fawkes28 ignores Narya [19:18] <memyslfnI> some have learned tolerence, some have not..But it exposes them to different types of individuals [19:18] <chocolate89> ghello doris! [19:18] <DorisTLC> Hi everyone [19:18] <cbm> I think it has enriched out lives and added a depth to the world of HP [19:18] <cbm> our [19:18] <fawkes28> i think that these creatures do teach us tolerance [19:18] <fawkes28> hey doris [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> hello, Doris [19:18] <Nimthiriel> hi doris [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> :-) [19:18] <Obsessed_much> i think that the creatures teach us acceptance [19:18] <Narya> I think it shows the breadth of the multi-cultural, multi-dimensional universe which JKR has created [19:18] <DorisTLC> Hey everyone! Great topic [19:18] <fawkes28> well, they are meant to open our eyes even if some students are not willing to accept them [19:18] <lothlorien> I think it fascinates the muggle born wizard and witches especially, since they have had no exposure to such creatures. [19:19] <Obsessed_much> she has really studdied her stuff [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> I think it shows us how arid and bereft the muggle World has gotten [19:19] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> well the presence depends on the expose to the creatures of course -and for those lucky enough to have lots more experience seem to be more tolerent to the creatures and are more willing to accept them for what they are [19:19] <Obsessed_much> very true [19:19] <Obsessed_much> like hagrid [19:19] <chocolate89> it shows us that magic doesnt neccerasraily have to come from wizards or wtiches [19:19] <chocolate89> that there are many diferent types of magic [19:19] <fawkes28> I also think that having magical creatures gives us great incite into which characters are good and which are not good - how we treat others is a good key into what that person is like [19:19] <chocolate89> i like that fawkes [19:20] <lothlorien> In some ways they provide a "talesmin" [spell?] for Harry. They tend to show up in the story when he needs an advantage. [19:20] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> agreed fawkes. [19:20] <ProngsPatronus> *talisman [19:20] <DorisTLC> good point lorthlorien [19:20] <lothlorien> Thanks, Prongs. [19:20] <memyslfnI> I am reminded of the fantasy taht the ministry has created with the fountain..we see that it is not necessarily true. Dumbledore accepts everyone as equal [19:20] <Narya> I think JKR tries to reflect the world we live in now, and tries to show diversity [19:20] <Obsessed_much> ohh yea like jo wrote you can tell what a person is like by the way they treat the people lower than them [19:21] <fawkes28> and they are there to show us that this war is not just between wizards [19:21] <Obsessed_much> yea [19:21] <Obsessed_much> its a symbol [19:21] <fawkes28> there is a lot riding on which side certain creatures will go on [19:21] <Obsessed_much> i know like threstles good or bad [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> I think that wizards and witches are but one thread in a rich tapestry of magic [19:21] <chocolate89> and giants [19:22] <chocolate89> agreed prongs [19:22] <Obsessed_much> yea and giants [19:22] <memyslfnI> and that centaurs are animals and should be treated as such. [19:22] <lothlorien> Other creatures are affected. Even the wizard world is interdependent. I like that fawkes. [19:22] <stewiegryf> The Care of Magical Creatures class also shows the students how to care for others besides themselves [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> it is their own folly that they consider themselves the most important [19:22] *** matilda has joined #lounge [19:22] <matilda> hi! [19:22] <DorisTLC> Hi [19:22] <chocolate89> hey there matilda [19:22] <fawkes28> hey matilda!! smile [19:22] <lothlorien> Hi, Matilda. [19:22] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> hey [19:22] <Obsessed_much> yes agreed stewiegryf [19:23] <Expelliarmas> Centaurs once mingled freely with man and were revered as teachers to the wise. Chiron the Wise was honored with his own constellation, Sagittarius. In contrast, the centaurs at Hogwarts are isolationists, reading the stars for themselves. Why do you think they changed? [19:23] <cbm> Or was it man that changed? [19:23] <chocolate89> exactly, Cbm! [19:23] <fawkes28> I wonder if it changed around the time of the first war with Voldemort [19:23] <memyslfnI> because they are treated as inferior by the ministry and others. [19:23] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> i remember reading something about this [19:23] <chocolate89> Men didnt treat them as equals anymore [19:23] <DorisTLC> I think this change must have occured when creatures were classified [19:24] <lothlorien> Some cultural differences are hard to relate to. Humans are pretty grounded in the present. They don't understand each other. [19:24] <memyslfnI> exactly doris, they refused "human" status, did they not? [19:24] <Narya> I don't think the centaurs changed in essentials - rather, they changed because wizardkind changed towards them and treated them as inferior beings [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> I think the rise of science has had something to do with it, too [19:24] *** matilda left #lounge [] [19:24] <Obsessed_much> i think that centaurs figured we humans are too proud and casue to much damage unto whicch the world we live in [19:24] <stewiegryf> It was the arrogance of the part of wizards that drove them away. People like Umbridge had the attitude that they were inferior and treated them as such. [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> wizards became fewer, and there was not the free congress of the ancient world [19:24] <Expelliarmas> Hmmm, I think things changed when humans decided to take charge. There were numerous wars as a result. [19:24] <Obsessed_much> and that they believe in a lot of fate and destiny [19:24] <DorisTLC> Yeah they were refused that status - and were considered lesser - they were ranked, how inhumane [19:24] <fawkes28> yes, they didnt want to be in the same classification as other creatures and thus isolated themselves [19:24] <Obsessed_much> stewie i agree [19:25] <chocolate89> they didnt want to lose their idenity as part man, and be put in the same category as somehting else [19:25] <fawkes28> however, it is not all humans that feel this way and the only one who seems to realize this is Firenze [19:25] <Obsessed_much> like a horse category [19:25] <lothlorien> A certain fear of centaurs prevails as well. We all know the way some races are treated when they are feared. Humans want to control them to reduce the fear. [19:25] <ProngsPatronus> I also think that they have no home to cal their own [19:25] <ProngsPatronus> so they claim the Forbidden Forest [19:25] <DorisTLC> Good point Prongs [19:26] <Obsessed_much> remeber when harry rode that one centuar the others didnt like that they need their identity too and dont want to be treated as a common mule [19:26] <fawkes28> do we know if they lived somewhere else before? [19:26] <chocolate89> well do we know for sure that they are the only herd left? [19:26] <memyslfnI> the lack of wide open spaces and deforestation! See! JKR is a green writer ater all! [19:26] <Narya> I find it really interesting that the centaur is so like the Sagittarian archer - proud, disdainful, independent [19:26] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> back in greek mythology - if i am not mistaken - the centaurs tended to carry off maidens - this may have something to do about it [19:26] <fawkes28> lol M [19:26] <DorisTLC> good one memyslfni [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> that was a wedding, Persephone! [19:26] <Expelliarmas> heavens! the Toad is no maiden! [19:26] <Obsessed_much> narya i agree [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> they had had a little too much to drink... [19:26] <memyslfnI> LOL! Expie! [19:27] <Obsessed_much> i thouht that they liked nymphs [19:27] <fawkes28> LOL [19:27] <LandonWoodrow> lol [19:27] <Obsessed_much> water nymphs [19:27] <Obsessed_much> lol [19:27] <Narya> Centaurs were also counsellors, weren't they? [19:27] <chocolate89> yes [19:27] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> forgive me- i have not had a lot of sleep - infact none this night! [19:27] <lothlorien> That explains Firenze's role. [19:27] <Expelliarmas> Basilisks were fearsome creatures, the king, or Regulus, of the serpent world. However, they could be slain by one holding a mirror, thus turning the deadly gaze back upon the basilisk. Hermione had a mirror, yet was Petrified. Why did she not turn the mirror the other way? [19:28] <Obsessed_much> what arnt they very wise and know more than us humans that have only six senses? [19:28] <Expelliarmas> you're doing fine Persephone [19:28] <lothlorien> It surprised her? Snuck up on her? [19:28] <chocolate89> not quick enough [19:28] <chocolate89> perhaps she didnt know, or didnt want to kill it [19:28] <cbm> I think JKR changed the legend to suit her story, like she does with a number of things [19:28] <fawkes28> I think she had just found this information out and could not react quickly enough [19:28] <chocolate89> wanted to tell someone abuout it first [19:28] <DorisTLC> She may not have thought to have done that. [19:28] <lothlorien> She didn't have time to turn it. [19:28] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> thanks Expel - herm may not have had time to re-angle the mirror [19:28] <Narya> I don't think that even if Hermione had the mirror pointing the other way, it would have made any difference [19:28] <memyslfnI> She didn't think under pressure, maybe? We saw that in book one too, when Harry had to tell her the light spell [19:29] <DorisTLC> Right cbm [19:29] <Obsessed_much> fawkes i agree [19:29] <fawkes28> she is not as quick as Harry, but is the one who gets the information [19:30] <Obsessed_much> herm may not have none about the angle thing and just was using the mirror to look aroudn corenrs so she didnt end up dead but instead petrified [19:30] <Obsessed_much> known* [19:30] <lothlorien> The story wouldn't have turned out the same if she had turned it and killed the basilisk. The title? Hermoine Granger and the Mirror of Doom? [19:30] *** fw00per has joined #lounge [19:30] <Obsessed_much> corners* [19:30] <fawkes28> hey fw00per [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> hello, fwOOper [19:30] <chocolate89> hello fwooper [19:30] <LandonWoodrow> lol [19:30] <Obsessed_much> lol tree [19:30] <fw00per> hi guys! [19:30] <Obsessed_much> hi [19:30] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> hey [19:31] <fawkes28> what has always fascinated me with the basilisk is that the weasel is the mortal enemy of the baslisk [19:31] <lothlorien> Hi, fw00per! [19:31] <LandonWoodrow> ironic that it was ginny weasley that opened the chamber then [19:31] *** FreedomStar has joined #lounge [19:31] <memyslfnI> did you know that Basil the herb came from Basilisk? [19:31] <Obsessed_much> it was LV through her [19:31] <lothlorien> Yeah, fawkes, which makes you wonder if Ron should have had more to do with its death. [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> because the leaves undulate, like a snake [19:32] <Narya> That's an interesting one, mem [19:32] <fw00per> whoa, really? (the basil thing) [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> hello, freedom [19:32] <fawkes28> yes, i have always wondered why Ron was not more involved [19:32] <cbm> Ron did help, he provided the wand to lockhart [19:32] <FreedomStar> hey there smile [19:32] <fawkes28> hey freedom [19:32] <Obsessed_much> yes but that was an accident [19:32] <FreedomStar> that's really weird...about the basil I mean [19:32] <Expelliarmas> Ah!dragons--- no magical world would be complete without them. It was said that drinking the blood or eating the heart gave knowledge of the language of the birds and beasts and invulnerability to fire. Do you think these attributes are some of the twelve uses of dragon's blood that Dumbledore discovered?\ [19:32] <cbm> I agree there [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> the skins were used to keep spiders out of the temples in Greece [19:33] <Obsessed_much> hmmm good question [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> or so it is said [19:33] <stewiegryf> Maybe the language thing. DD does seem to know a lot of languages [19:33] <Obsessed_much> the dragon hide is worn [19:33] <Obsessed_much> yes [19:33] <FreedomStar> I think there could be something there [19:33] <DorisTLC> I think it will - how I'm not sure [19:33] <cbm> I like that stewie [19:33] <lothlorien> He does seem to know the language of the phoenix. I don't know about other birds. We also know he is good with fire. [19:33] *** lizsh has joined #lounge [19:33] <Narya> DD might have discovered those, and I've always been interested in how Slughorn came to have dragon's blood [19:33] <fawkes28> Dragons are such powerful creatures - we have so much to learn when it comes to them [19:33] <FreedomStar> I mean, JKR obviously did a lot of research for her books, so something has to have come from the mythology [19:33] <memyslfnI> If he was connected with N. flamel and alchemy, I believe that to be true [19:34] <Nimthiriel> definitely Fawekes [19:34] <Nimthiriel> fawkes* [19:34] <lothlorien> Hi Lizsh! [19:34] *** Overcast has joined #lounge [19:34] <Obsessed_much> i read in another book that dragon scales can keep you warm when its soo cold and that they can make a broth and o all kinds of things [19:34] <FreedomStar> hi Delana! [19:34] <fawkes28> hey lizsh and overcast [19:34] <stewiegryf> I agree fawkes, especially after seeing the deluxe cover [19:34] <Overcast> Hi! [19:34] <Obsessed_much> i havnt seen the deluxe cover [19:34] <Obsessed_much> isnt it like leather [19:34] <Obsessed_much> ? [19:35] <memyslfnI> its like armour, you need to find the one weak link in it to kill a dragon [19:35] <lizsh> Hello all!- don't know about the deluxe cover- haven't seen it... [19:35] <Expelliarmas> Dragons are also everywhere in Britain--the London city boundaries are demarked with dragons; the Welsh flag has one [19:35] <Obsessed_much> me neither [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> dragons have scales on the body, and leathery wings [19:35] <Obsessed_much> in the book [19:35] <Obsessed_much> i see [19:35] <Obsessed_much> so the leather of the dragon wings [19:35] <fawkes28> Jo would not have mentioned the 12 uses of dragon's blood if we were not going to find out the use of at least one of them [19:35] <cbm> I like the fact that oven cleaner is one of the uses of the blood, [19:35] <stewiegryf> http://gallery.the-leaky-cauldron.org/picture/163167 [19:35] <Narya> apart from oven cleaner, you mean? [19:35] <Expelliarmas> Jo is running out of time to fill us in [19:35] <chocolate89> thehehe [19:36] <stewiegryf> the deluxe cover for those who haven't seen it [19:36] <cbm> Only 11 more to go [19:36] <fawkes28> Narya, eyebrow [19:36] <lothlorien> lol for oven cleaner! Really? I had never heard that one. If it is in the books, I missed it. [19:36] <Expelliarmas> Griffins figure prominently at Hogwarts; it is surmised that Godric Gryffindor's name means 'Golden Griffin'. In mythology, griffins were said to make their nests of gold and lay agate eggs, which they guarded jealously. Could Gryffindor mean Griffin's gold? Could that be the source of his prominance? [19:36] <Narya> *Narya ignores that last comment* [19:37] <Obsessed_much> very true how is she going to fit everything in the book if its shorter than the Ootp [19:37] <Overcast> well one of the house colors is gold. [19:37] <Nimthiriel> hmmm it could be possibly [19:37] *** nebka has joined #lounge [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> hello, nebka [19:37] <Overcast> Maybe it's just that. [19:37] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> more thank likely [19:37] <FreedomStar> hi Pascal [19:37] <FreedomStar> I see you've decided to join us lesser mortal :/ [19:37] <fawkes28> I also think perhaps it could be refering to Gryffindor as an alchemist [19:37] <Overcast> Or, maybe he forst founded Gringotts or something. [19:37] <lothlorien> It might explain all the gold in Harry's vault at Gringott's...if there is a family connection as some have suggested. [19:37] <chocolate89> or gold could be like a metaphor [19:37] <Overcast> and put the goblins in charge. [19:37] <Expelliarmas> Well "or" in French means gold [19:37] <chocolate89> those in gryffidor have hearts of gold [19:37] <Nimthiriel> Griffins were also said to be strong and brave creatures...that symbolized protection and justice...some traits of teh Gryffindor house?? [19:38] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> it could also be the link to the Uk cover of DH [19:38] <stewiegryf> That's interesting fawkes [19:38] <FreedomStar> ore also refers to metal [19:38] <Obsessed_much> wait what about the fact of all these spells u know with the veil what is its mythical history [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> !query FreedomStar [19:38] <chocolate89> exctly Nim [19:38] <nebka> Hello all [19:38] <Obsessed_much> im making no sense [19:38] <Obsessed_much> i give up [19:38] <lothlorien> I like that, Chocolate. [19:38] <Overcast> Hi, Pascal [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> just a reminder--we use LL names in the chat, as we do on the forums [19:38] <Overcast> oh, oops [19:38] <Overcast> Hi, Nebka [19:39] <FreedomStar> alrighty-o [19:39] <memyslfnI> I think that gryffons are the only animal made of a snake, an eacle and a lion, is significant..A gryffindor to join the houses [19:39] <FreedomStar> *waves to nebka, self-proclaimed god of the elves* [19:39] <nebka> Pascal-Nebka, same-diff [19:39] <Obsessed_much> they eat anything tho right? gryffons [19:39] <DorisTLC> Good point memyslfni - I like that [19:39] <FreedomStar> gryffins... [19:39] <LandonWoodrow> where's the badger then? [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> griffins are carnivourous [19:39] <Expelliarmas> can't have everything, Landon [19:40] <fw00per> that's what it eats [19:40] <LandonWoodrow> true [19:40] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> In Greek mythology, they took gold from the stream Arimaspias and, neighbors of the Hyperboreans, they belonged to Zeus. [19:40] <FreedomStar> remind me, gryffins are a mix of several animals, right? [19:40] <fawkes28> but that seems to be the opposite of Godric's personality, Prongs [19:40] <Narya> So the Gryffindor to join the houses could be Harry - defeating LV in the end - and bringing the houses together to reflect the unity in the wizarding world [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> eagle, lion, and snake [19:40] <FreedomStar> eagle/lion? [19:40] <FreedomStar> oh snake? [19:40] <Expelliarmas> I had no idea about the snake part [19:40] <fw00per> I didn't remember the snake [19:40] <FreedomStar> which part is the snake? [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> the tail [19:40] <memyslfnI> the tail is a snake [19:40] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> only the snake sometimes prongs [19:40] <Obsessed_much> wait wat about specters dont you think jo should have mentioned them? they could be really helpful [19:41] <FreedomStar> really? I always thought the tail was a lion's tail [19:41] <Expelliarmas> Hippogriffs, a byword for the impossible in Medieval times, are fleshed out considerably in Harry Potter. The proud and dangerous Buckbeak seemed to be a good judge of character---he liked Harry,Sirius,and Hagrid, but disliked Draco. What would happen if Snape had interacted with the creature? [19:41] <memyslfnI> in some legends, it is a snakes [19:41] <fw00per> dang, good question [19:41] <Obsessed_much> oo he could tell who is bad [19:41] <chocolate89> well that depends on ones own opinion? [19:41] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> that's a stumper [19:41] <stewiegryf> Something ambiguous, no doubt [19:41] <Obsessed_much> snape would have been sent to limbo [19:41] <FreedomStar> Snape would not have been able to interact with it very well [19:41] <lothlorien> I think we didn't see this because if would have been too much of a clue. [19:41] <fw00per> would Snape be as stupid as Draco when approaching him? [19:41] <Obsessed_much> becasue he is half half [19:42] <chocolate89> also depend ont he side of the hippogriff [19:42] <Expelliarmas> Snape did interact with Buckbeak and it didn't go well for ol' greaseball [19:42] <Narya> I'm not sure that Buckbeak would have known what to make of Snape, since he's so ambiguous [19:42] <DorisTLC> Snape would have handled himself differently [19:42] <FreedomStar> He's just as proud as the hippogriff, and I think he would find the idea of bowing to an animal as revolting [19:42] *** MsCrookshanks2006 has joined #lounge [19:42] <Obsessed_much> and he almost died [19:42] <Overcast> Buckbeak would have liked Snape. [19:42] <fawkes28> i do not think that Snape would have trouble - he is much smarter than Draco and would bow and not insult it [19:42] <fw00per> good point freedomstar [19:42] <ProngsPatronus> Buckbeak did attack him in HBP [19:42] <Obsessed_much> remember in the hbp [19:42] <MsCrookshanks2006> hello everyone [19:42] <chocolate89> but i dont think Snape would go and taunte him like draco [19:42] <memyslfnI> Snape is aware of the hyppogriffs strength and how to approach him, he is too smart to not take it seriously. [19:42] <chocolate89> hey ms c! [19:42] <Obsessed_much> yea [19:42] <Obsessed_much> me neither [19:42] <chocolate89> rexactly mems [19:42] <Obsessed_much> snape is smarter [19:42] <fw00per> hi MsC [19:42] <ProngsPatronus> hello, MsCrookshanks [19:43] <nebka> I don't know if Hippogriff can "smell"people.. so Buckbeak could know if Snape os good or bad.. [19:43] <FreedomStar> I'm not saying that he can't do it; I just belive that he wouldn't like the idea of submitting to it [19:43] <LandonWoodrow> hey msc [19:43] <Obsessed_much> i wonder if snape can read buckbeaks mind and his thoughts if he had any [19:43] <fawkes28> Snape also is very good at fooling the two greatest wizards, he could fool a hippogriff too [19:43] <DorisTLC> Great chat everyone- I've gotta get a kids from basketball! I'll try to make it back before y'all finish! If not thanks! [19:43] <FreedomStar> bye doris! [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> I think animals have a much better sense of who is giving off "evil" vibes [19:43] *** DorisTLC has quit [Bye] [19:43] <chocolate89> aan animals instincts are greater than those of a human [19:43] <Obsessed_much> yes my dog does [19:43] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> i doubt that snape couldn't fool it - too god of instincts [19:43] <Obsessed_much> certain people... [19:43] <chocolate89> a hippogriff would see something voldemort or dumbledore didnt [19:43] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> good* [19:44] <fawkes28> i don't think so because snape would know how to properly treat a hippogriff [19:44] <Obsessed_much> snape is [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> well, what does this tell us about Snape [19:44] <memyslfnI> He might not have let snape ride him as he did Harry [19:44] <Obsessed_much> well snape [19:44] <MsCrookshanks2006> animals instincts are greater.. but with BB isn't more a matter of approaching him correctly [19:44] <stewiegryf> are hippogriffs really more powerful than the two greatest wizards of the time? [19:44] <chocolate89> they arent more powerful [19:44] <lothlorien> Snape may have known that Buckbeak WOULD accept him. He couldn't have that in front of Harry, the trio and Draco. He has to maintain his illusion at all times for it to work. [19:44] <chocolate89> they sense things differently than humans [19:44] <fawkes28> yes, i agree with that, M [19:44] <cbm> but would snape be bothered to take the time to treat a hippogriff properly, I think he would just curse it [19:44] <memyslfnI> I think he would cbm [19:44] <MsCrookshanks2006> lol cbm [19:45] <Obsessed_much> well harry respected the hippogriffs color at first too were as snape would probally have thought it dirty u know like first reaction to it [19:45] <stewiegryf> I think it would depend what he wanted from it, cbm [19:45] <fawkes28> he is a git, but not stupid, cbm [19:45] <chocolate89> or the situation in which he was near one [19:45] <fawkes28> if Harry was around, I am sure he would slip up in front of the hippogriff [19:45] <Expelliarmas> Elves could either be tall, or tiny. JKR seems to have taken a middle road, and extrapolated "The Shoemaker and The Elves" to a modern-day extreme. Elves serve as slaves to the mighty in the Wizarding World. What do you think of the portrayal of elves in HP? [19:46] <chocolate89> well its not very fair... [19:46] <Expelliarmas> They are there to remind us the wizarding world is built on oppression [19:46] <chocolate89> obviously they have done something good to be put on the fountain [19:46] <chocolate89> and yet they are treated like slaves [19:46] <Expelliarmas> they are slaves [19:46] <Obsessed_much> they are wide3 and stought [19:46] <lothlorien> As a Tolkien fan, I missed the tall, beautiful version. The house elves are more like Gollum in looks. [19:46] <fw00per> interesting that they enjoy being slaves (seem to, anyway) [19:46] <FreedomStar> I think it's partly a throwback to medieval times [19:47] <Narya> I think the Elves show us that not everything in life is fair, and that some wizards treat Elves very poorly, whilst others hold them in high esteem, like DD [19:47] <fawkes28> that is a great point, chocolate [19:47] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> definately not one of the best moves i will admit - but she does get a point across about slavery etc and they need to do something about it and the fact that there is little being done about it [19:47] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [19:47] <Overcast> To remind us that the wizarding world isn't too far off from the muggle world. [19:47] <nebka> there has to be more to it that of course we don't know.. [19:47] <FreedomStar> In the wizarding world, they still use quills and parchment, and candles [19:47] <chocolate89> perhaps wizards fear them? [19:47] <Obsessed_much> i think elves are tall and beautiful and not leatheruy and they half pointy ears and pale skin that is shiny [19:47] <lothlorien> I am not familiar with elves in mythology. What were they like in myths? [19:47] <Narya> I think wizards definitely fear an Elf's special magic, so that's a good point [19:48] <FreedomStar> well in the shoemaker tale [19:48] <Overcast> I agree. Wizards would have to fear them. They seem to be more powerful. [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> elves are ancient [19:48] <nebka> they do.. but elves don't go and threaten wizards much [19:48] <Overcast> Look at what Dobby did to Lucius. [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> in the norse mythology, they were tall [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> fair [19:48] <chocolate89> which shows alot about the different between wizards and elves [19:48] <fw00per> imagine if they had wands [19:48] <fawkes28> they may, chocolate - elves do possess powerful magic - we see this from Dobby [19:48] <FreedomStar> there was a shoemaker who made shoes out of leather, and one day he was down to his last batch of leather so he cut out the pieces and set them out so he could work on them in the morning [19:48] *** freyja has joined #lounge [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> and very powerfully magical---but inconstant [19:48] <fawkes28> hey freyja! smile [19:48] <FreedomStar> and he woke up and found a pair of beautifully crafted shoes which he sold for enough $$ to buy more leather [19:48] <fw00per> hi freyja! how's the dancing? [19:48] <freyja> greetings almost b-day girl [19:49] <fawkes28> i do not even think they need wands - they just need freedom [19:49] <fawkes28> thanks [19:49] <Obsessed_much> elves are pale and they they half old magic probally [19:49] <freyja> dancing tonight but had to poke my nose in for great topic a little bit [19:49] <FreedomStar> and so he did the same thing again, and finally one night he stayed up and saw these little elves making the shoes from the leather pieces he cut [19:49] <Overcast> I want to know when did the wizards start brainwashing the elves. When was the turning point. [19:49] <Expelliarmas> The word "elf" has ancient roots--it goes back to the original Indo-European "albh", which means 'white'. Elves are known for their long lives. Do you think Dumbledore may have elvish blood in his family? [19:49] <lothlorien> So in JKR's worlk, do the wizard families control the elves to protect themselves from their powerful magic? [19:49] <fawkes28> when Dobby is free, he is able to help Harry a lot more [19:49] <Obsessed_much> sry i didnt write that [19:49] <nebka> when the old wizards ruled that only human could use wands, there must have been people against it.. but the elves didn't say nothing then.. as if they don't need them [19:49] <chocolate89> well theres almost nooo knowledge about dumbledores family [19:49] <FreedomStar> if DD had elvish blood in him, wouldn't he be a lot shorter? [19:49] <Obsessed_much> yes but he struggles still to be unobeidient [19:49] <fawkes28> oh, that is a good question [19:50] <Obsessed_much> cant spell that word [19:50] <chocolate89> iits almost next to impossible to give a confident answer to that [19:50] <fw00per> just what I was wondering, freedom [19:50] <FreedomStar> I don't think he does... [19:50] <Obsessed_much> well he would be half half [19:50] *** MsCrookshanks2006 has quit [Bye] [19:50] <cbm> Would that mean the Owl tester had elf blood also? [19:50] <fawkes28> it would explain how he lived so long [19:50] <chocolate89> all we know of his family is that he has a brother [19:50] <Obsessed_much> so nohe wouldnt be as frail i suspect but that comes with age [19:50] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> somehow i don't think so - it may have something to do with the P/stone [19:50] <fw00per> I thought all wizards generally had longer lives [19:50] <fawkes28> perhaps he got the best of both worlds - being tall and living long [19:50] <FreedomStar> I just can't seem to actually wrap my mind around that idea [19:50] <chocolate89> well do wizards have longer life spans then muggles? [19:50] <Narya> I think that DD definitely holds kinship with the Elves, even if he doesn't have Elvish ancestry [19:50] <FreedomStar> Elves might not always have been enslaved [19:51] <fw00per> agree, Narya [19:51] <Overcast> Yeah, i don't think they were, freedom [19:51] <fawkes28> i believe that Elfish is one of the languages he speaks [19:51] <FreedomStar> oh yeah Narya [19:51] *** AlchemistApprentice has joined #lounge [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> hey, AL! [19:51] <fawkes28> hey Al [19:51] <Overcast> Hi [19:51] <fw00per> the elves have their own language? [19:51] <chocolate89> hey al [19:51] <freyja> do the house elves have a seperate language then? [19:51] <nebka> speaking a language doesn'T mean you have some relation to that kind.. [19:51] <lothlorien> Are the elves at Hogwarts bound to the school itself, DD, or whoever is presently headmaster? [19:51] <fw00per> Hi Al [19:51] <Obsessed_much> i thouhgt their were different kind of elves like the cooking elve and those kind of things maybe im thinking of fairies [19:51] <FreedomStar> well, house elves have a seperate magic [19:51] <AlchemistApprentice> hi all only here for a bit thunderstorms roaming thru [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> elves are inherently magical [19:52] <Overcast> I think the kitchen elves are bound to anyone living at Hogwarts. [19:52] <Narya> I think Elves are probably bound to the school - I don't see DD asking them for any kind of bond even though they work at Hogwarts [19:52] <Overcast> They take orders from DD, though [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> his examiner did say that he did things with a wand never seen before [19:52] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [19:52] <AlchemistApprentice> yeah how magical- powerwise? [19:52] <freyja> I imagine that the elves belong to the castle, since it doesn't have a family, as such [19:52] <FreedomStar> yeah, overcast, I was thinking about that [19:52] <fawkes28> hey wagga [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> hey, W31 [19:52] <nebka> but why do they stay and serve human? they don't have to, why do they do it? is there some historical reason? [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> lol [19:52] <FreedomStar> if the elves are bound to hogwarts, that might explain how hermione could set them free [19:52] <Obsessed_much> no maybe they signed a contract like the one hermione made for ootp [19:52] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> hey wagga [19:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Terrific! I finally got here! smile Hello everyone [19:52] <lothlorien> I want to know that too, nebka. [19:52] <FreedomStar> I think nebka it's the comfort zone [19:53] <chocolate89> wello wagga [19:53] <Obsessed_much> im sooo confused [19:53] <FreedomStar> It's what they've known for quite awhile, and frankly change might shock them into extinction [19:53] <fw00per> I need to study more mythology [19:53] <nebka> that's a basic question that we might never get answered [19:53] <FreedomStar> they don't know how to live outside of servitude [19:53] <nebka> since when? [19:53] <Obsessed_much> me too [19:53] <fw00per> is it just because they're afraid of change? [19:53] <FreedomStar> what would happen if they were all suddenly free? They would probably attach themselves to another family [19:53] <nebka> something happend.. a human saved them maybe and they decide to serve the humans for now [19:53] <chocolate89> well [19:53] <ProngsPatronus> I think the house-elves need to be needed [19:53] <chocolate89> they feel for the wizards [19:53] <fw00per> or another species [19:53] <chocolate89> actually care for them [19:53] <Narya> They might not actually want change, though [19:54] <FreedomStar> Change is a fickle thing [19:54] <memyslfnI> I agree Narya [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> and wizards have taken advantage of that need [19:54] <Expelliarmas> Fawkes the Phoenix is crimson and gold, like his mythological counterparts. Dumbledore says that his tears are a panacea and that he can carry heavy loads. We see Fawkes on a Burning Day, but in mythology, they renew themselves only once in 500 years. Is Fawkes the only phoenix? Why give Fawkes the attributes of the Roc and the Simurgh? [19:54] <lothlorien> If they are bound to the school, then Hermoine doesn't have the authority to free them, does she? Sorry, Mods. I will stay on topic. Just a thought I had. [19:54] <FreedomStar> But the house elves wouldn't know what to do [19:54] <nebka> for now.. maybe something will make it change someday [19:54] <AlchemistApprentice> and can the wizarding world handle the change [19:54] <FreedomStar> ooh, I need creatures book for this chat [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> Rocs--famed for being able to carry elephants [19:54] <memyslfnI> It fits her story [19:54] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Actually I agree Narya. They might need something really hurtful, such as Dobby's treatment at the hands of the Malfoys before they change [19:54] <Obsessed_much> they think it is their duty to do all the work they were created for the purpose but not created to be abused as dobby was so he wawanted to be free but others would think it was an insult to be free becasue it is dishonoring but dobby had it bad a tthe malfoys so he didnt care [19:54] <AlchemistApprentice> nah fawkes to "good" for ROc and Simurgh! [19:55] <Narya> I think Fawkes is the only one of his kind - certainly in modern wizarding times [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> Simurgh--knows all the knowledge of all the birds in creation--its tears are a panacea [19:55] <chocolate89> there isnt another phoenix that we have heard about [19:55] <FreedomStar> It says that phoenixes burst into flames and regenerate when their bodies begin to fail [19:55] <stewiegryf> I don't think fawkes is the only phoenix. Where else would they get all of the tail feather's for the wands? [19:55] <Nimthiriel> Well according to legend only one phoenix could be alive at any one time...so I think so [19:55] <memyslfnI> Where does Ollvanders get all his feathers then? [19:55] <freyja> he can't be the only phoenix b/c ollivander is getting tail feathers somewhere [19:55] <fawkes28> Ah, fawkes is the best phoenix there is smile [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> of course [19:55] <AlchemistApprentice> but there are only the two wands with Fawkes feathers right? [19:55] <Expelliarmas> (and tastes like chicken) [19:55] <Nimthiriel> perhaps over the years they have been collected [19:55] <memyslfnI> LOL! [19:56] <fawkes28> pfft, expie [19:56] <Obsessed_much> i think phoenix are restarting and refreshing their powers you know what i mean> [19:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Even if Fawkes not the only phoenix, I'd say they were fairly rare [19:56] <stewiegryf> Of course. Fawkes is simply angelic! ;) [19:56] <freyja> with fawkes feathers...but phoenix feathers form the core of many wands, I think [19:56] <fawkes28> hehehe [19:56] <Overcast> there are probably other phoenixes but they're rare, I think. [19:56] <lothlorien> Olivander says that other wands have phoenix feather cores, but we know only LV and Harry's wands have feathers from Fawkes. [19:56] <AlchemistApprentice> ok all gott a go kids!! smile [19:56] <Overcast> like the invisibility cloak. [19:56] <FreedomStar> How many burnings have we seen? [19:56] <freyja> domesticated phoenixes are rare [19:56] <Overcast> See ya [19:56] *** AlchemistApprentice has quit [Bye] [19:56] <lothlorien> This tells me that there must be other phoenixes [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> it says in the book of fabulous beasts that they have a 4-X rating because of their rarity [19:56] <Narya> I still think Fawkes is the only phoenix, and the feathers are a sign that the wands with those cores belong to really rare wizards, [19:56] <FreedomStar> bye AL [19:56] <cbm> right, so if there are other wands, there have to be other phoenixes [19:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> 2 I think. One burning and one renewal [19:56] <memyslfnI> that could be Narya! [19:56] <fawkes28> i dont think we will see another phoenix [19:56] <nebka> there are more then one phoenix [19:57] *** FelixFelicsis has joined #lounge [19:57] <cbm> I agree fawkes [19:57] <freyja> we only saw one burning but he regenerated after swallowing the AK [19:57] <nebka> even if we don'T see any other [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> hey, felix [19:57] <FreedomStar> hi felix [19:57] *** FelixFelicsis has quit [Bye] [19:57] <Narya> I'd like to know which other wizard would have the majesty and gravitas to own one, if there are more phoenixes around [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> none [19:57] <chocolate89> same [19:58] <nebka> none that we know [19:58] <Expelliarmas> Harry will, if he survives DH [19:58] <Obsessed_much> what does jk mean when she says she doesnt write for her readers she writes for herslef [19:58] <nebka> but there has to be [19:58] <Obsessed_much> herself* [19:58] <freyja> did DDs ability have some tie to his Patronus being a phoenix too? [19:58] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Probably someone like Merlin [19:58] <FreedomStar> JK writes for herself, as in she doesn't write what her readers want her to write [19:58] <Obsessed_much> oooo [19:58] <Obsessed_much> thanks [19:58] <FreedomStar> she writes the story how she see's fit and how she wants it to happen and end [19:58] <Overcast> yup. She said it in her AE biography [19:59] <FreedomStar> I can understand why she writes like that [19:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I could too. [19:59] <FreedomStar> it's the same philosophy most authors go by [19:59] <Obsessed_much> oh so she probally is going to kill harry in the end becasue she wants no one to continue on with the series [19:59] <fw00per> noooooooooooooo [19:59] *** thekxfly has joined #lounge [19:59] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:59] <Overcast> That won't stop people [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> we would really like to stay on topic, it makes the chat so much easier to follow [19:59] <thekxfly> hey all [19:59] <Obsessed_much> i know [19:59] <lothlorien> I think there are others, but they are so rare, they will not come into our story. Fawkes must have had parents originally. Where are they? What kills a phoenix? How long do they live? [19:59] <Obsessed_much> they could write like zombie harry [19:59] <Expelliarmas> Unicorns live in the Forbidden Forest, and "dislike " boys. In legend, unicorns are much fiercer animals, who only suffer the touch of a pure maid. The horn has wondrous properties, too, but it is said that the creature dies without its horn. Would this give a "half-life, a cursed life" to anyone using this ingredient? [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> hey, kx [20:00] <Nimthiriel> hey Kx [20:00] <thekxfly> ahh so this is where everyone has gone too [20:00] <Expelliarmas> luckily for Millicent and Pansy, the HP unicorns aren't the ones of legend [20:00] <fw00per> don't they use the horn in potions? [20:00] <FreedomStar> hey Kx, NY [20:00] <Nimthiriel> lol true expie [20:00] <Obsessed_much> i wonder about that [20:00] <fawkes28> i believe they do, fw00per [20:00] <thekxfly> whats the topic? [20:00] <Narya> I think any wizard who kills a pure and defenceless creature is bound to have a cursed life [20:00] <freyja> maybe they just take snips from the horn without removing the whole thing [20:00] <fawkes28> mythology [20:00] <lothlorien> Maybe the horns are only taken when one dies naturally. [20:00] <memyslfnI> I think so, in Rowling's world, anyone who can slaughter innocence and purity for their own gain deserves a half life [20:00] <freyja> I imagine that unicorns are regenerative in some ways [20:00] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> actually, unicorns are only fierce in the west - to the east they are more docile [20:01] <fw00per> that could work freyja - as long as the unicorn doesn't gore you in the process [20:01] <lothlorien> By good wizards of course. [20:01] <thekxfly> my mum says my ceaning my room is like somthing out of myths [20:01] <fawkes28> which is going to come back in DH, M [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> that's a good thought, lothlorien [20:01] <Obsessed_much> but like what about them being so pure and if it is murdered by someone else but the blood is drunk by another person no the person that killed the unicor wouild that person still be cursed [20:01] <fawkes28> full circle [20:01] <thekxfly> yes [20:01] <Obsessed_much> not * [20:01] <FreedomStar> well I think it's because murder is not innocent [20:01] <Obsessed_much> o [20:01] <FreedomStar> the intentions are unpure, and 'evil' [20:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Pure new Library system Unicorn is. [20:01] <thekxfly> taking adantage of a pure animal no mater if its killing or reaping the harvest of hte killing [20:02] <FreedomStar> it's like, damaging something innocent and not part of our human views of good and evil is really terrible [20:02] <FreedomStar> yeah kx [20:02] <fawkes28> i wonder why Jo changed them to not be fierce creatures - it is interesting [20:02] <lothlorien> Would a unicorn willingly sacrifice its horn and life for a noble cause? [20:02] <Obsessed_much> good point so simply even wanting to have an endless life by drinking unicorn blood is probally considered still bad intentions [20:02] <thekxfly> we cant say f somone murders somone and another person comes along and takes the dead persons wallet [20:02] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Didn't say whether they were fierce or not. [20:02] <FreedomStar> unicorns aren't exactly fierce [20:03] <thekxfly> that the wallet stealer is fine [20:03] <memyslfnI> so Hagrid could teach about them in CoMc [20:03] <thekxfly> and right o do so [20:03] <Narya> I think JKR wanted to emphasise their innocence, especially in using unicorn hair in wand cores [20:03] <Obsessed_much> thekxfly true i liek that [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> I thought it was grubbly=Plank [20:03] <FreedomStar> oh, why do you suppose they change colors? [20:03] <thekxfly> oooh yeah im being loved [20:03] <Expelliarmas> Even unicorn tail strands have magical healing properties; everything about that creature speaks to health and somehow truth [20:03] <chocolate89> well they are gold when they are young [20:03] <FreedomStar> I mean I know in horses some foals change colors are they age [20:03] <thekxfly> \dose the peanut butter jelly dance - This post has been edited by fawkes28: Jun 27 2007, 08:55 PM |
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[20:03] <memyslfnI> I think its interesting that they are gold first
[20:03] <chocolate89> which i think is another symbol, the golden age of innocence [20:03] <Obsessed_much> no it is like someone being murdered and burried and then someone coming along and digging up that person and stealing his posetinos [20:03] <fw00per> gold, then silver, then white, right? [20:03] <Narya> Health, truth, and innocence, Expie - bad news for Cedric, Ron and Neville [20:04] <FreedomStar> they start out gold, then silver, and then pure white [20:04] <Obsessed_much> posesstions [20:04] <freyja> baby deer change from having spots to being all brown...maybe it is something like that [20:04] <Expelliarmas> hahahaha, Narya, I think so too [20:04] <stewiegryf> gotta go all! take care. [20:04] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [20:04] <Overcast> see ya [20:04] <Expelliarmas> bye stewie [20:04] <Obsessed_much> bye [20:04] <Obsessed_much> stewie [20:04] <Expelliarmas> Giants, known to us best from Jack and the Beanstalk, had castles which held wondrous riches. In HP, the giants have been reduced to brutish creatures, eternally fighting among themselves. What is JKR trying to illustrate with her dipiction of these creatures? [20:04] <thekxfly> stewie saw me dancing and left [20:04] <freyja> i like what you said about the folden stage of innocence,,,,perhaps the white is symbolic of wisdom then? [20:05] <Expelliarmas> Giants, known to us best from Jack and the Beanstalk, had castles which held wondrous riches. In HP, the giants have been reduced to brutish creatures, eternally fighting among themselves. What is JKR trying to illustrate with her dipiction of these creatures? [20:05] *** lizsh has quit [Bye] [20:05] <chocolate89> well Wizards also feared them [20:05] <chocolate89> and isolated them, just like centaurs [20:05] <freyja> most of JKR's larger creatures tend to be brutish [20:05] <chocolate89> and look what they have reduced them to, quite like the elves [20:05] <lothlorien> They are to be feared. [20:05] <fw00per> big and dumb? [20:06] <memyslfnI> that they have inbred themselves into extinction. they have no land and need lots of it to curvive and they do not have it, wizards (and muggles) have doene that to them [20:06] <Obsessed_much> she is trying to indicate athat giants arnt as smart as humans they are more as the physical ind of creature not the intelligent kind you know they do maual labor not like hmm goblins [20:06] <Narya> And yet, giants aren't all brutish - Hagrid managed to bring Grawp to the point where he could communiate, if a bit haltingly [20:06] <lothlorien> Not the giant Squid, freyja/ [20:06] <Expelliarmas> The Titans also fought amongst themselves in mythology [20:06] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> giants seen to have a link to the titans in Greek mythology [20:06] <fw00per> but I don't think they're dumb if Grawp can learn English [20:06] <thekxfly> do wizard fear night elfs atall#? [20:06] <Obsessed_much> manual * [20:06] <freyja> i know not all of them...just a tendency [20:06] <thekxfly> i mean housse elfs [20:06] <FreedomStar> I think Jo is showing that the giants are who they are because of how humankind (namely wizardingkind) has treated them [20:06] <Expelliarmas> Let's remember to stay on topic, folks. [20:06] <Obsessed_much> yes [20:06] <Obsessed_much> like the gurg is probally the smartest [20:07] <chocolate89> exactly freedom [20:07] <fw00per> more of a comment on wizards than on mythological giants [20:07] <lothlorien> Maybe the wizards have left them alone and not tried to "tame" or educate them because of their aggressive tendencies. [20:07] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> it is also said that the giants fight against "the gods" could this mean the wizards? [20:07] <lothlorien> LV may try to exploit them and trolls as well, for his war. [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> I think it could, Persephone [20:08] <memyslfnI> i wonder if wizards have a "out of sight out of mind" attitude with giants? [20:08] <Expelliarmas> Well, the giants in OOTP were off by themselves, and fought amongst themselves to the death. Hagrid even said it was in a giant's nature not to be attached to their young. [20:08] <Narya> That's a good point, mem - and it could cost them dearly [20:08] <lothlorien> I haven [20:08] <Obsessed_much> yes wizards pushed them away and basically put them in a play pin were they have to stay and cant really leave or risk being killed por prosicuted but like t jo says in ootp giants arnt meant to be kept all together [20:08] <freyja> aren't the giants in Norse mythology also pretty 'evil' and always making off with the goddesses (like my namesake?) [20:08] <fawkes28> they fear giants which is why the persecute them [20:08] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> Giants frequently play a significant part in the Creation Myths. They existed long before the gods and humans came. With the appearance of gods there followed a struggle between the two, in which the giants got the worst of it. When a giant was slain by a mighty god, the god would create heaven and earth from the giants body [20:08] <lothlorien> Sorry, I haven't seen any aggressive tendencies at all in Hagrid or Madame Maxine. [20:08] <ProngsPatronus> good point, expie--I just wonder if that is a recent development [20:09] <Obsessed_much> fawkes true [20:09] <Obsessed_much> i think giants as cavemen [20:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Giants bigger than humans. Size intimidates, which is why Dudley encouraged to overeat. [20:09] <chocolate89> hhagraid and madame mamime grew up around people [20:09] <chocolate89> they would be different had they been raised by giants [20:09] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid and Maxime were half-bloods [20:09] <freyja> exactly lothlorien...it comes down to a message about stereotypes, I think...especially with giants [20:09] <Obsessed_much> i have seen aggressive tendencies in hagrid [20:09] <Obsessed_much> In HBP [20:10] <thekxfly> hagrid is agressive at times [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> freyja, they set themselves against the gods [20:10] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No more than most men [20:10] <lothlorien> Only when cornered, though. [20:10] <memyslfnI> when provoked [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> Jotunheim is their home [20:10] <freyja> that's where i was thinking of it from, thanks pp [20:10] <thekxfly> and his animals istreated [20:10] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> You didn't expect him to take Umbridge's treatment lying down [20:10] <thekxfly> his intelegince mocked [20:10] <Obsessed_much> and like when jo even writes hagrid set his hand down on hermionies shoulder and her knees buckl;ed he didnt do that on purpose but he doesnt know his own strength [20:11] <Expelliarmas> Werewolves are born into our imagination from the myth of Lycaon, who was turned into a wolf by Zeus for the atrocity of sacrificing the flesh of children to the god.IN HP, we see two very different examples of werewolves: Lupin, and Fenrir. One seems to be a man who becomes a wolf--the other, a wolf who turns into a man. [20:11] <Expelliarmas> The name Remus comes from the founding of Rome; the name Fenrir comes from the demise of the Norse gods. Do these specific references give us an insight into their respective characters? [20:11] <Obsessed_much> i think fenir forgot what it was like to be a man like LV [20:11] <lothlorien> Fenrir is much more animal than man. No conscience. [20:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> yes. Romulus and Remus the twins nurtured by a she-wolf [20:12] <Obsessed_much> but lupin had help not to forget by his friends sirius and james when they turned animagous [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> Romulus killed Remus, too [20:12] <Narya> I think Remus differs hugely from Fenrir in that he can't help his lycanthropy; for Fenrir, he has made a choice to be the evil being that he is [20:12] <Expelliarmas> Fenrir shuns society; he uses his condition to bully others [20:12] <lothlorien> Remus is educated and caring, but not in control of his "illness". [20:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Wizarding world can't make up its mind whether werewolves human or animal. [20:12] <FreedomStar> I think it's an intense psychological issue [20:12] <FreedomStar> remus was bitten by fenrir [20:12] <FreedomStar> so that makes fenrir a lot older than remus [20:12] <Obsessed_much> and umbridge the toad didnt help [20:12] <Expelliarmas> Remus does not use his condition to terrorize others [20:12] <memyslfnI> One creates and one distroys [20:12] <FreedomStar> fenrir's attitude might have stemmed from older views [20:12] <freyja> is remus really a wolf "at heart" if his mythological predecessor was only raised by one? [20:13] <Obsessed_much> remus is just genuinly good [20:13] <lothlorien> If Fenrir's name comes from the demise of the Norse gods, then hopefully we will see his demise in DH! *smiles at the thought* [20:13] <FreedomStar> I bet in older wizarding times werewolves were hunted or something [20:13] <Obsessed_much> and fenir is not like LV [20:13] <freyja> i like that memys [20:13] <fawkes28> It also is a matter of their choices - but it is intereting how she chooses these two to be exact opposites [20:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Treatment of werewolves mirrors treatment of the disabled at times in the real world [20:13] <freyja> is that balance necessary? [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> good thought, lothlorien [20:13] <thekxfly> ok sleep tie!! [20:13] *** LandonWoodrow has quit [Bye] [20:13] <thekxfly> ok sleep timme [20:13] <FreedomStar> bye kx [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> bye, kx [20:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> bye kx [20:13] <thekxfly> cya [20:13] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> bye [20:14] <thekxfly> just remembe im no yth [20:14] <Expelliarmas> Speaking of the former Marauder, Remus Lupin's name foreshadows his condition. Does it also foreshadow his fate in the Deathly Hallows? [20:14] <thekxfly> im just a god!!! [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> I think the difference between them is fascinating [20:14] *** LandonWoodrow has joined #lounge [20:14] <Expelliarmas> I think Remus is a dead duck [20:14] <lothlorien> There is definitely balance. Fenrir's character and Lupin's exist to balance each other. [20:14] <chocolate89> same [20:14] <Obsessed_much> i think that fenrir found it easier to be bad than to be good so he chose to be a bad werewolve and use his condidtion as an way to terroize but lupin didnt [20:14] <FreedomStar> no expie! [20:14] <FreedomStar> sad [20:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Who knows what will happen? [20:14] *** thekxfly has quit [Bye] [20:14] <Narya> I'd like to hope that JKR will be kind to her last "good" Marauder, and leave him alone [20:14] <FreedomStar> I think it foreshadows certain things... [20:14] <fw00per> oh, I hope not, expie [20:14] <FreedomStar> yeah same narya [20:14] <Obsessed_much> me to narya [20:15] <fawkes28> I do think that Lupin has a pretty good chance of dying but we know for a fact that he does not have a twin [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> I do think Remus will join his fellow marauders beyond the Veil [20:15] <FreedomStar> it might be that she selected the name because of the werewolf thing [20:15] <memyslfnI> I agree Narya!! (I was waiting to see what you wold say to tht question! LOL!) [20:15] <lothlorien> There will be a werewolf battle, I think. Lupin may die to ensure Fenrir dies too. [20:15] <Obsessed_much> what if lupin got a reprieve [20:15] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> i have to agree with Expie - i don't think remus will make it [20:15] <freyja> but why not just lupin then...if it is just a wolf thing? [20:15] <Obsessed_much> what if lupin got a reprieve??? [20:15] <Narya> If Remus sacrifices himself, then that's in keeping with his character - but I still hope JKR will give him some happiness [20:15] <fawkes28> Harry needs to do this completely on his own - chances are lupin has to go sad [20:15] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:15] <fawkes28> hey carpe [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> that would be wonderful, obsessed [20:16] <chocolate89> agreed fawkes [20:16] <chocolate89> carrpeeee!! [20:16] <Expelliarmas> I think Hagrid got the reprieve [20:16] <lothlorien> His love for Tonks may give him the "fight" he needs to survive. [20:16] <Obsessed_much> thanks i thouht i would like that to happen to remus [20:16] <memyslfnI> Hagrid is more likey, I think, Lupin tends to stay detached [20:16] <lothlorien> She may give Lupin a reason to live. [20:16] <FreedomStar> I think lupin get's the reprieve [20:16] <Obsessed_much> ooo hagrid getting a reprieve ... hmm interesting thought [20:16] <FreedomStar> it seems so foreshadowing that he should die [20:16] <Narya> He stays detached because he's afraid to show too much emotion, I think - mem - but all that could change [20:16] <ProngsPatronus> please, folks--stay on topic [20:16] <Narya> look how emotional he was when DD died [20:17] <Obsessed_much> okay [20:17] <memyslfnI> true [20:17] <FreedomStar> so I'm going opposite, and saying that lupin is the character who gets a reprieve and will survive [20:17] <memyslfnI> sory pp [20:17] <Obsessed_much> freedomstar exactly my thought! [20:17] <lothlorien> Someone close to Harry will die, and I don't think the trio will die, so Hagrid or Lupin are both possibilities. [20:17] <Expelliarmas> Another Marauder, Sirius Black, has a name that gives us clues about his nature. The yearly rising of Sirius, the Dog-Star, signaled the beginning of the year in ancient Egypt; his animagus form was that of a 'black' dog, a "Grim". Although Sirius is, at present, beyond the Veil, will he, too, rise again? [20:17] <Obsessed_much> i think hermionee will die [20:17] <memyslfnI> YES!!! [20:17] <fw00per> nope [20:17] <Narya> I don't think Sirius will come back, no [20:17] <FreedomStar> no [20:17] <fawkes28> how, M? [20:18] <lothlorien> I don't think so. [20:18] <FreedomStar> I don't think he wil come back [20:18] <LandonWoodrow> i dont think he'll rise again necessarily [20:18] <LandonWoodrow> but i think he'll influence harry somehow [20:18] <freyja> why was the dog star called sirius? [20:18] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> no - not in the way one would think [20:18] <Obsessed_much> YESSSS !!!!! SIRIUS!!!!!!! [20:18] <Expelliarmas> I think Harry will have contact with Sirius once again [20:18] <cbm> I think we will see sirius in some way in this book [20:18] <fawkes28> I think that Harry may go beyond the veil and see him, but Sirius will not come back to this side [20:18] <Expelliarmas> Please watch the use of all caps. [20:18] <Overcast> no [20:18] <freyja> and maybe his rising will have something to do with his brother or the pair of mirrors [20:18] <CarpeDiem> He won't come back but he will help harry in some way. Either his family, his ghost or something that belongs to him. [20:18] <FreedomStar> I have to ask you believers: why do you think he's going to come back? [20:18] <lothlorien> Remote chance of communication beyond the veil using the mirror, but he is dead. I think JKR has confirmed him dead, Yes? [20:18] <Narya> I'm sure we'll see Sirius again, but not in any living form [20:18] <Obsessed_much> death is death though but we dont know becasue he fell into the vail and would have lived longer anyways but the others behind the veil had already lived their whole life [20:18] <Overcast> Sirius is gone. He may help Harry, but he won't be able to get back to the real world. [20:19] <FreedomStar> Sirius has served his purpose [20:19] <memyslfnI> he will not be alive, but we will see him! dead is dead in JKR's world. But the veil will be the bridge to Sirius and Harry and like the star he represents he will guide Harry back [20:19] <Expelliarmas> Harry could see Sirius again by going through the veil ... just saying [20:19] <cbm> JKR said she killed him for a reason, I think we will see the reason on DH [20:19] <Narya> I agree with that, mem, that's what I'd love to see [20:19] <CarpeDiem> I like that thought cbm [20:19] <Obsessed_much> nooo! [20:19] <FreedomStar> he was one of the few remaining ties to harry, and as we know hero's tend to lose their mentors along the way and I think it started with sirius [20:19] <Obsessed_much> harry cant go through the vail! [20:19] <Obsessed_much> sirius did and he is dead now! [20:20] <fawkes28> yes, he can - people can come back - it is part of the hero's journey [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> there is also the mirror Sirius gave harry [20:20] <memyslfnI> the veil is thinnest twice a year, he can go then and come back [20:20] <Obsessed_much> but sirius didnt have the mirror when he died did he? [20:20] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> i'd keep an eye on that mirror - i have a feeling about it [20:20] <Nimthiriel> Yes i think the mirror will be important... [20:20] <Expelliarmas> I think the final battle will be beyond the veil [20:20] <LandonWoodrow> agreed [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> he was not dead before he went into the Veil, and there are lots of examples in mythology of heroes going in and returning [20:20] <Obsessed_much> memyslfni i like that [20:20] <cbm> we do not know where the mirror was [20:21] <freyja> but harry is the 'hero,' not sirius [20:21] <Obsessed_much> prongs very true [20:21] <memyslfnI> I bet he had it with him, it was his way to stay in touch with harry [20:21] <Obsessed_much> but what about sirius wasnt he a hero? [20:21] <Obsessed_much> and he was alive when he went behind the veil [20:21] <lothlorien> How does Sirius relate to mythology? I can't think of a character quite like him. [20:21] <fawkes28> In Pirates, they came back from the land's end wink [20:21] <cbm> He may not be retrievable beyond the veil, but I think he may interact with Harry in some way [20:21] <Obsessed_much> but what did bellatrix hit sirious with [20:22] <Narya> I think Sirius will have had his mirror with him, but Harry will see someone else in it, apart from Sirius, if that plotline plays out [20:22] <fw00per> could be like Jumanji [20:22] <Expelliarmas> Turning to a darker side, the Black family has a penchant for classical names: Andromeda, Bellatrix, and Narcissa. How do the names of these three sisters illumine their approach to the Wizarding World? [20:22] <Obsessed_much> i cried soo much when sirius died [20:22] <lothlorien> Narcissa = vanity and love for self. [20:22] <Obsessed_much> they sound evil [20:22] <fawkes28> Narcissa is very much the trophy wife and it is all about her [20:22] <Narya> Two shadowy stars, and one which is just a star [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> andromeda was freed from imprisonment [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> and married her liberator [20:22] <fw00per> most of the Blacks are star names, right? [20:23] <Obsessed_much> bellatrix is fro yearning to have attention and prais i guess [20:23] <lothlorien> Bellatrix is a star name in some constellation, but I forget which one. [20:23] <Narya> Freed from the House of Black, yes [20:23] <ProngsPatronus> I see that prisoning in the Black family dynamic [20:23] <fawkes28> bella means beautiful, which i find ironic [20:23] <ProngsPatronus> it is called the "Amazon" star [20:23] <Expelliarmas> But yet, Narcissa, contrary to her name, tried to protect Draco by having the Unbreakable Vow with Snape [20:23] <memyslfnI> she was beautiful [20:23] <Obsessed_much> in intalian right? [20:23] <lothlorien> Andromeda is the name of the constellation closest to our own. [20:23] <Obsessed_much> yes but evil [20:23] <fw00per> I think there's more to Narcissa than we've seen [20:23] <Expelliarmas> Does Bellatrix mean beautiful? [20:24] <Obsessed_much> i think narcissa isnt htat bad i think she is more caring than we know [20:24] <ProngsPatronus> bella comes from the latin word for war [20:24] <Narya> It means "powerful", no? [20:24] <fw00per> Bella does, I'm not sure about the trix, expie [20:24] <LandonWoodrow> narcissus is also a flower....a poisonous one [20:24] <ProngsPatronus> trix means female [20:24] <fw00per> thanks, pp [20:24] <fawkes28> interesting, Landon [20:24] <Obsessed_much> i think that narcissa got in too deep and didnt get out [20:24] <FreedomStar> bella means beautiful in some language [20:25] <memyslfnI> I think she is pompous and rude. [20:25] <FreedomStar> italian, I think? [20:25] <chocolate89> spansih [20:25] <chocolate89> prounouched baya [20:25] <FreedomStar> oh duh *smacks self* [20:25] <fawkes28> Well, Bella had the choice to be a beautiful person on the inside, but did not choice to take it [20:25] <Obsessed_much> me too [20:25] <Expelliarmas> (or more like beh-ya) [20:25] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:25] <Obsessed_much> she cares about her own [20:25] <Obsessed_much> but no one else [20:25] <Obsessed_much> like lucious [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> she obsesses about her place in society, and her son [20:25] <Expelliarmas> And yet Andromeda didn't go with the pureblood mania and married a Muggle [20:26] <ProngsPatronus> I don't see it as love [20:26] <lothlorien> Draco, she cares about as an extension of herself. Her feelings do not go far beyond immediate family. [20:26] <Obsessed_much> agreed [20:26] <fawkes28> no, i disagree, obsessed - Narcissa does care for her son [20:26] <Narya> Bellatrix is quite a sadistic witch - she'll stop at nothing to get what she wants - and she's highly dangerous [20:26] *** FreedomStar has quit [Bye] [20:26] <ProngsPatronus> exactly, lothlorien [20:26] <fawkes28> it is love [20:26] <fw00per> anyone know what the name Andromeda means? [20:26] *** FreedomStar has joined #lounge [20:26] <fawkes28> which Voldemort does not have [20:26] <FreedomStar> sorry, internet went wonky [20:26] <Obsessed_much> no i meant that she cares aobut her family and few other [20:26] <CarpeDiem> They all seem to "shine" in their own way though, don't they? They certainly tend to attract attention wherever they go smile [20:26] <chocolate89> agreed carpe [20:26] <ProngsPatronus> Andromeda was a princess, who was to be sacrificed to the kraken [20:26] <fawkes28> nicely said, carpe [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> Perseus freed her, and later married her [20:27] <memyslfnI> "ruler over men" [20:27] <memyslfnI> is what her name means [20:27] <fw00per> thanks, all [20:27] <lothlorien> Andromeda = wife of Perseus. [20:27] <Expelliarmas> Minerva McGonagall , the stern but fair Head of Harry's house, is Hermione's boggart, informing the girl of failure. Minerva is the Roman goddess of wisdom; Hermione is the female version of Hermes, the messenger of the gods. What wisdom does Hermione still need to learn? [20:27] <CarpeDiem> Prongs that's very interesting stuff! [20:27] <memyslfnI> experience [20:28] <fw00per> it's not all in books [20:28] <Obsessed_much> she needs to learn sacrafice [20:28] <Obsessed_much> to give it up [20:28] <Narya> Hermione has become much more her own person as she's grown older - she is much more likeable and well rounded now [20:28] *** nebka has quit [Bye] [20:28] <Obsessed_much> she is going to die i think [20:28] <memyslfnI> I agree Narya [20:28] <Narya> She needs to learn wisdom, I think - although she's pretty good at that right now [20:29] <Obsessed_much> i think she is the one who will give her life thouht passing on her knowledge ont the way [20:29] <fw00per> she needs to learn how important Quidditch really is [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom [20:29] <Obsessed_much> true [20:29] <CarpeDiem> She's already done that though, hasn't she, Obsessed? In CoS? [20:29] *** nebka has joined #lounge [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> hermione tells everyone of her knowledge, but she still hasd to learn the wisdom of silence [20:29] <lothlorien> Off topic, but I looked up Bellatrix. Third brightest star in the Orion Constellation. Just FYI. [20:29] <Obsessed_much> hmm that is true in a way but she still lived [20:29] <memyslfnI> she does not like to fly...I wonder if that is signifiant [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> and the proper time and place for knowledge [20:29] <Narya> That's a good point, PP [20:30] <Expelliarmas> Argus Filch, caretaker at Hogwarts, is named for Argus, the jailer of Io, who had a hundred eyes, and never slept. Does Filch live up to his name? [20:30] <Overcast> yes [20:30] <Obsessed_much> pp i like that too [20:30] <memyslfnI> yes, he and his cat! [20:30] <fw00per> pretty much [20:30] <Obsessed_much> yes [20:30] <Narya> I think Filch lives up to his name in more ways than one, and yet I feel sorry for him, because he's trapped in his own meanness [20:30] <Obsessed_much> he has other eyes if u know what i mean [20:30] <memyslfnI> and wishes he could do magic [20:30] <FreedomStar> isn't Io also the name of a moon? [20:31] <Obsessed_much> of jupiter right [20:31] <Obsessed_much> ? [20:31] <fw00per> very impressive skills - and he's a Squib at that! [20:31] <Obsessed_much> no [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> yes [20:31] <memyslfnI> and is jealous because he cant [20:31] <lothlorien> Oh, cool. I didn't know that Expel. [20:31] <Narya> One of Jupiter's moon's, I think [20:31] <fw00per> covered in ice, not mice [20:31] *** redpen has joined #lounge [20:31] <Obsessed_much> yes his skills are very impressive [20:31] <Expelliarmas> Well, in many ways, Filch would love to be a jailer; notice how he wanted to use whipping for discipline in OOTP [20:31] <lothlorien> Can't leave those kids alone for a minute. [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> the subject is Argus Filch, however [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> hello, redpen [20:31] <Obsessed_much> he is mad at the world for being a squib and he takes it out on the sttudents becasue he is jealous that they can do magic [20:31] *** Nimthiriel has quit [Bye] [20:32] <memyslfnI> what about the name Argus, want that a boat? [20:32] <Expelliarmas> Actually, lothlorien, ProngsPatronus wrote the questions, I'm just dropping them [20:32] <Obsessed_much> students* [20:32] <CarpeDiem> He over compensates for not being able to do magic by being the best watchman he can be. [20:32] <lothlorien> Kudos to Prongs then. [20:32] <Obsessed_much> agrred [20:32] <Obsessed_much> agreed [20:32] <CarpeDiem> Taking it too far may be his way of making up for that. A very good watchman indeed. [20:32] <Obsessed_much> agreed again lol [20:33] <ProngsPatronus> he overcompensates [20:33] <fawkes28> Obsessed_much, please check the topic of your screen with a box that says Fawkes28 on it [20:33] <Expelliarmas> Sibyll Trelawney has a distinguished lineage: her great-great-grandmother was Cassandra Trelawney, a noted Seer. Cassandra was the daughter of Priam, King of Troy, given prophetic abilities from Apollo. When she would not become his mistress, he made her predictions unbelievable, though true. [20:33] <Expelliarmas> Do you think that Sibyll (named for the Seer who gave prophecies to the Romans) inherited that trait from her forebear? Do you think her prophecies might be true? [20:33] <Obsessed_much> got it fawkes28 [20:33] <chocolate89> asome of them [20:33] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> yes i do [20:33] <chocolate89> i mean obviously one of them was [20:33] *** Nimthiriel has joined #lounge [20:33] <cbm> I think some of them are true [20:33] <redpen> some of them anyway [20:33] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> i just sent an email to TLC staff on this [20:33] *** MsCrookshanks2006 has joined #lounge [20:34] <CarpeDiem> Hiiya MsC [20:34] <redpen> tho they sometimes sound quite far-fetched [20:34] <fawkes28> thanks [20:34] <MsCrookshanks2006> Hiya Carpe [20:34] <memyslfnI> yes I do, I think when she is not trying (when she drinks) she is relaxed and her abilities are more able to shine through [20:34] <Obsessed_much> welcome [20:34] <Narya> I think Sybil has a real gift, but lacks the confidence to use it properly and to believe in her abilities [20:34] <Nimthiriel> Hey MsC! [20:34] <Expelliarmas> I think she does have abilities, but she's so over-the-top carnival like, no one takes her siriusly [20:34] <MsCrookshanks2006> hi Nim [20:34] <cbm> They sound far fetched, but they are close sometimes [20:34] <lothlorien> By making so many of her predictions stupid. No one is prepared to believe the real ones. Like the "boy who cried wolf". [20:34] <redpen> it's just the way she presents them [20:34] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> looking at her from andother seers PoV i can see that she does ahev a gift [20:34] <Obsessed_much> she is true she is trying ehr hardest but doesnt realize that she actually is doing the real prophiciy ting [20:35] <lothlorien> She did predict the "grim" which came true in a way. [20:35] <ProngsPatronus> I think that trelawney is a true seer--but she needs a true interpreter [20:35] <redpen> jk really presents her as overthetop [20:35] <MsCrookshanks2006> i agree its been proved that she has the gift.. she just doesn't know it [20:35] <memyslfnI> lOL! I agree PP [20:35] <fw00per> lol, pp [20:35] <lothlorien> Precicely PP! [20:35] <Obsessed_much> and the neville longbottom cup breaking thing [20:35] <redpen> i gree w/ pp! [20:35] <Obsessed_much> and when hermionee left near easter break [20:35] <lothlorien> I gotta go for tonight. Thanks for the fun. [20:35] <chocolate89> bye [20:35] <Obsessed_much> bye [20:35] <MsCrookshanks2006> She is to busy being intimidated by her families history.. it blocks her seeing properly [20:35] <Expelliarmas> Arthurian legend plays a significant part of the series: the spear of Arthur was called Ron. How is our Ron a spear for Harry? [20:35] <FreedomStar> bye! [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> bye, lothlorien [20:36] *** lothlorien has quit [Bye] [20:36] <chocolate89> Ron is loyal down to the tee [20:36] <memyslfnI> He is his "right hand" [20:36] <chocolate89> will do absolutely anything for harry [20:36] <fawkes28> Ron is always at Harry's side when their is danger [20:36] <chocolate89> would defend him agaianst anything [20:36] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Ron is a spear for Harry. [20:36] <Obsessed_much> hmm maybe ron is a weapon for harry u know love [20:36] *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge [20:36] <Narya> Nice analogy in the spear - so I'd say that Ron is an essential part of Harry's armoury [20:36] <chocolate89> hello love! [20:36] <fawkes28> he would give his life for him [20:36] <MsCrookshanks2006> Ron is also a weapon in that he always is ready to fight with him [20:36] <fawkes28> hey Love [20:36] <Love4Fawkes> Hi everyone! [20:36] <redpen> ron has certainly proved himself for harry [20:36] *** kelly has joined #lounge [20:36] <MsCrookshanks2006> hi Love [20:36] <Obsessed_much> yes [20:37] <CarpeDiem> Ron has sacraficed himself for Harry's sake a few times already. He's more than willing to do that again I think. [20:37] <Obsessed_much> agreed harry loves ron either way and remember that is harry's weapon love so maybe ron will help him somehow [20:37] <MsCrookshanks2006> Harry is more confident with Ron at his side [20:37] <chocolate89> Harry needs Ron [20:37] <Obsessed_much> point [20:37] <Obsessed_much> and if ron dies it owuld help harry finish off LV becasue of his strong love for ron [20:38] <ProngsPatronus> I think Ron is coming into his own, much like Neville--and that , as the knight on the chessboard, Ron will be Harry's spear [20:38] <Narya> I'd agree that Harry needs Ron, but I don't think he lacks confidence - Ron complements Harry very well [20:38] <Obsessed_much> yes [20:38] <Love4Fawkes> I agree Narya [20:38] <redpen> their lives are quite opposite as well [20:38] <MsCrookshanks2006> i was thinking it was well placed that Ron chose to be the knight in Wizard Chess [20:38] <fawkes28> It would be interesting to learn more about Cassandra [20:38] <Obsessed_much> and ron might strike first and harry can strike second ? [20:38] <redpen> they really complement each other [20:39] <CarpeDiem> I agree with that Prongs. It makes me wonder if we won't see him try and sacrafice himself again. Ron could be in trouble. [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> I think Ron has felt overshadowed by his sibs--and that is what has held him back a bit [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> yes, it would, fawkes [20:39] <Obsessed_much> yes in the mirror of erised [20:39] <Obsessed_much> example [20:39] <Obsessed_much> he is ALONE [20:40] <Expelliarmas> Percy and Dumbledore share a name: Percival, one of the Knights of the Round Table to achieve the Grail. Do you think that Percy will find his path to enlightenment, as did Dumbledore? [20:40] <memyslfnI> I have faith in Percey [20:40] <MsCrookshanks2006> well if you live in a full house, you often imagine paradise is you being alone someplace [20:40] <Narya> I definitely think Percy will see the light and prove himself before the end [20:40] *** kelly has quit [Bye] [20:40] <redpen> i really do hope perc comes around [20:40] <fw00per> certainly a possibility - I hope he does come around [20:40] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Percy will come around. His love of power is too great. [20:41] <MsCrookshanks2006> Nope Percy is a git.. and will stay that way [20:41] <CarpeDiem> Percy being a Weasly is the only thing that's going for him now. I think a family's love will eventually allow him to see the error of his ways. I think he'll return home soon. [20:41] <fawkes28> me either, expie [20:41] <chocolate89> but there is no more power where he is [20:41] <Obsessed_much> percy will realize that being successful isnt all that matters and that there is more to life than being rich and important as he would put it [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> Percival has often been equated to the Fool in the card deck [20:41] <fawkes28> I think it is a red herring [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think Percy will come to realise he was a fool [20:41] <redpen> true [20:41] <Obsessed_much> true [20:41] <MsCrookshanks2006> Interesting Prongs [20:41] <Obsessed_much> he will [20:41] <Expelliarmas> It's one more way Jo shows us nothing in the Wizarding world is perfect--not even the Weasleys [20:41] <memyslfnI> We've assumed that Percy=Percival for so long, while we are on the topic of mythology, could Perseus be his name sake? [20:41] <redpen> the fool in the deck sets out on a journey, and that is certainly wat perc is doing [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> DD often played the fool--it is disarming [20:42] <fawkes28> so you think he will come to the order's side, prongs? [20:42] <Narya> Percy has definitely been stupid and a git, and he's got a lot of growing up to do - but when push comes to shove, he'll prove himself himse [20:42] <Obsessed_much> ooo never thougjht of that [20:42] <Obsessed_much> agreed [20:42] <ProngsPatronus> now that is an interesting thought, M [20:42] <fw00per> what does Perseus mean? [20:42] <Narya> If Perseus is his namesake, what does that say for JKR's plotline? [20:42] <MsCrookshanks2006> i dont know Percy may go down with the sinking ship aka the ministry [20:42] <CarpeDiem> Yes, tell us about Perseus please. [20:43] <redpen> m, that's very probable [20:43] <Obsessed_much> wait percy will be betrayed by fudge somehow maybe and will realize that it was all just work fudge never thouhgt of percy anymore than that but his family actually loved him and cared for him [20:43] <Love4Fawkes> I hope that percy comes around, but I guess you really never know. He doesn't seem to have any plans on turning his back on the ministry. [20:43] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [20:43] <fawkes28> hey ced [20:43] <LandonWoodrow> hey ced [20:43] <chocolate89> hey ced [20:43] <CedrellaBlack> Hey everyone! smile [20:43] <MsCrookshanks2006> I agree Love [20:43] <MsCrookshanks2006> Hi Ced [20:43] <Expelliarmas> Fudge is no longer in the picture, nor carrying any power. He's been totally disgraced by HBP [20:43] <CedrellaBlack> question? [20:44] <Obsessed_much> true [20:44] <Love4Fawkes> Hi Ced [20:44] <Expelliarmas> repeating the question: Percy and Dumbledore share a name: Percival, one of the Knights of the Round Table to achieve the Grail. Do you think that Percy will find his path to enlightenment, as did Dumbledore? [20:44] <CedrellaBlack> thanks expie [20:44] <memyslfnI> Perseus was the one who killed meduca [20:44] <Obsessed_much> maybe percy will become head of hogwarts or somthing [20:44] <redpen> when the going gets tough the tough get enlightened [20:44] <CarpeDiem> Thanks M smile [20:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think he will find out that like Percival Percy might have been tilting at windmills [20:45] <cbm> I think percy has been doomed since we saw him reading "Prefects who gained Power" [20:45] <fawkes28> i think percy is a lost cause [20:45] <redpen> ugh, that book... [20:45] <Obsessed_much> ioo true [20:45] <Love4Fawkes> I think that was definately a clue cbm [20:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1269635 [20:45] <Obsessed_much> i dont like percy never idd [20:45] <fawkes28> *This chat will continue at the in the Study Hall of the Chamber of Chat http://www.chamberofchat.com/chat/enter.asp* [20:45] *** freyja has quit [Bye] [20:45] <Expelliarmas> Percy has been searching for power since he was a student (Prefects who Gained Power), he's not interested in enlightenment [20:45] <CedrellaBlack> Percy is a little bit crazy and I think the similarity between them is that they bth do what they need to do to get what they want [20:46] <Expelliarmas> James Potter's animagus form is that of the stag, a potent symbol in Celtic mythology for fertility, guardianship, and sacrifice. Harry's Patronus relflects his father's influence--- do these attributes tell us about James' character as a mature man? [20:46] <fw00per> surely he was sorted into Gryffindor for a reason (Percy) [20:46] *** nebka has quit [Bye] [20:46] <redpen> yes, i very much agree w/ that [20:46] <memyslfnI> But when push comes to shove he is Weasley, and was raised right! i think he will be the prodigal son and return [20:46] <chocolate89> absolutely [20:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sir Percival was the father of Sir Galahad the perfect knight who got teh grail wasn't he? [20:46] <CedrellaBlack> Well he was protecting of lily and harry the night he was killed [20:46] <ProngsPatronus> no, Wagga [20:46] <Narya> I think James always possessed those qualities, but certainly grew into them much more as a man [20:46] <ProngsPatronus> Galahad was the son of Lancelot [20:47] <chocolate89> JJames guards harry to this day, in a form of the patronos [20:47] <chocolate89> patronus* [20:47] <redpen> a mature person would really reflect guardianship [20:47] <CarpeDiem> Good point Chocolate [20:47] <Nimthiriel> Yes, Choco, he does [20:47] <fawkes28> He protected his family the night Voldemort came and sacrificed his own life - i think it is very fitting [20:47] <Narya> A stag is also a symbol of dawning maturity, and that's very appropriate too, for both Harry and his father [20:47] <CedrellaBlack> and he was the first one killed trying to stp him from getting to his famiy and the peioke e loved [20:47] <memyslfnI> It is also the symbol for Apollo the son god, Harry is also a solar hero [20:47] <chocolate89> and, in a way, his death could be looked at as a sacrifice [20:47] <redpen> his death was a sacrifice. he tried to protect his family [20:48] <Nimthiriel> it was...he let his wife take his son while he tried to hold LV back to save them [20:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> White stag supposed to be lucky, granting wishes [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> The White Hart is a psychopomp [20:48] <Expelliarmas> a psychopomp? [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> it conducts those who hunt it to the Otherworld [20:48] <Obsessed_much> james was always mature and had good character he doesnt like dark arts and he stood up for lily when she was called a mudblood and that was whne he was arrogant [20:48] <fw00per> you lost me [20:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> A psycho what? [20:48] <Narya> I'm sure that the stag Patronus on the DH cover is very significant too - it could even mean that Harry really does go beyond the veil [20:49] <memyslfnI> I agree Narya, James could be his guide [20:49] <Obsessed_much> he felt he had to protect hte family [20:49] <redpen> psychopomp...that sounds quite fitting [20:49] <FreedomStar> Alrighty, i'm outta here. Bye y'all! [20:49] *** FreedomStar has quit [Bye] [20:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> pomp sounds like Percy [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> a psychpomp is a mythic figure which serves as a bridge from this world to the Otherworld [20:49] <Obsessed_much> what the stag patronus on the DH cover? [20:49] <Expelliarmas> psychopomp sounds more like Percy [20:50] <Narya> James has been significant in that way ever since he appeared to Harry in PoA, PP [20:50] <Expelliarmas> Goblins are Dark creatures in most mythologies; in the Harry Potter series, they are even more frightening: they are bankers, and prone to rebellion. How might they be a force in the last book? [20:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sirius Black maybe also a psychopomp, as the Grim [20:50] <ProngsPatronus> yes [20:50] <redpen> they control the money! [20:50] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [20:50] <memyslfnI> LOL! it sounds like you are saing Bankers are prone to rebellion! [20:50] <Obsessed_much> they have good gaurding abilities [20:50] <Expelliarmas> the goblins have the money and treasure [20:50] <ProngsPatronus> grin [20:50] <Obsessed_much> and freaky powers [20:50] <Narya> I think the goblins will come around in DH, and Bill Weasley is the vital link to them [20:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I love the idea of bankers being frightening goblins. devil2 [20:50] <redpen> remember these are goblins. they could twist some of the richer wizards [20:51] <Expelliarmas> Aside from Gringotts and the whole Bagman thing, we've not seen the Goblins very much [20:51] <ProngsPatronus> lucius wouldn't have money for bribes [20:51] <fw00per> there's a happy thought [20:51] <redpen> lucius is diffrent [20:51] <fawkes28> definitely goblins wink [20:51] <Obsessed_much> lucious wouldnt bribe he would threaten [20:51] <Obsessed_much> i think [20:51] <memyslfnI> I think that money will guide the war, where there is money there is power. The Govt can't run without it [20:51] <ProngsPatronus> we have heard about them, though--in Binns' classes [20:51] <Narya> We know that Bill has worked with them, though - and that has to be useful as far as the Order is concerned [20:52] <redpen> at least to get some on the good side [20:52] <memyslfnI> yes, Narya..h knows the language and can reason with them [20:52] <fw00per> goblins gobble the money and power whilst speaking gobbledygook [20:52] <Obsessed_much> i think goblins are mischeivious [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> Voldemort killed a goblin family in the last war [20:52] <memyslfnI> yes, PP..they are mad! [20:52] <redpen> true that [20:52] <Narya> I think goblins are essentially ok - it's just that they hedge their bets as to who they'll side with at times [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think goblins have long memories, and an uncertain temper [20:52] <CarpeDiem> They are frightening befcause we don't know much about them. Harry may learn more and that in some way make them useful to him. [20:52] <memyslfnI> things lke that are haed to forgive [20:53] <Obsessed_much> carp agreed [20:53] <CedrellaBlack> I think that goblins can go eitehr way. T\They wil go for the group that is willing to give them the most benifits. . or rather "says" they are going to give them the most benifits [20:53] <redpen> all goblin famlies are probably all interelated as well... [20:53] <Obsessed_much> agreed [20:53] *** golf_gal has joined #lounge [20:53] <ProngsPatronus> like the purebloods [20:53] <redpen> with their money and shiny things [20:53] <Obsessed_much> yea that would make sense [20:54] <golf_gal> hi everyone [20:54] <Obsessed_much> i think that they might be related to elves maybe [20:54] <CedrellaBlack> Which I am afraid that they are going to go blinded to the side of Voldemort even though we know thet are very intelligetn [20:54] <Obsessed_much> in some way [20:54] <ProngsPatronus> hello, golf gal [20:54] <Obsessed_much> they remind me of kreecher [20:54] <golf_gal> hi [20:54] <CarpeDiem> I don't know if they would fall for that though Ced. They don't appear foolish to me at all. Perhaps that's why LV leaves them alone. They aren't as easily tricked as normal wizarding folk [20:54] *** professorpete has joined #lounge [20:54] <chocolate89> Petey!!!! [20:54] <Nimthiriel> I agree Ced..its kind of scary [20:54] <Nimthiriel> Pete!!! [20:54] <fawkes28> hey professorpete [20:54] <redpen> they might just stay out of the war totally [20:54] <CedrellaBlack> I dont think its so muched tricked Carpe as persuaded [20:55] <CedrellaBlack> hy pete [20:55] <professorpete> Hello allsmile [20:55] <Obsessed_much> they may isolate them selves like the centuars [20:55] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I see your point. [20:55] <MsCrookshanks2006> Hi SirFuzziness aka Pete! [20:55] <CarpeDiem> Hi Pete [20:55] <Expelliarmas> The goblins are waiting to see how things shake out in the wizarding world [20:55] <Obsessed_much> yes [20:55] <redpen> then theyll make their move [20:55] <memyslfnI> they are like switerland right now, neutral [20:55] <Expelliarmas> Last Question for the Night: What other aspects of mythology have you found the most enchanting? [20:55] <Obsessed_much> they arnt to keen to join anything yet until they know that they are on the right side [20:56] <redpen> the centaurs [20:56] <ProngsPatronus> I like the mythology surrounding the Nagas [20:56] <MsCrookshanks2006> the centaurs [20:56] <chocolate89> ive always loved unicorns [20:56] <memyslfnI> the river in the cave, it reeks of Greek mythology and the underworld! [20:56] <redpen> and the merpeople [20:56] <ProngsPatronus> snake deities from India [20:56] <Obsessed_much> i think that the threstle are interesting and the prophecies [20:56] <ProngsPatronus> yes, the merpeople! [20:56] <CarpeDiem> I think it's facinating that mythology is represented so much within the books. Creatures, names, plots. It's subtle but it's there. JKR is brilliant smile [20:56] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> definately the centaurs - but mostly all the mytholgy - and how it seems to be all european based [20:56] <golf_gal> what is the locket in sirius's house? i dont ever remember reading that part [20:56] <fawkes28> is this supposed to be good or bad news for nagini? [20:56] <Narya> The links between Herbology and mythology are interesting too, and the snake mythology is fascinating [20:56] <Expelliarmas> Jo's use of the Sphinx in GoF [20:56] <Nimthiriel> The names and how she got the characters to match up so nicely...its amazing [20:57] <redpen> sphinx was awesome [20:57] <memyslfnI> she is briliant! [20:57] <Obsessed_much> i like the elves [20:57] <Expelliarmas> also, the Goblet of Fire reminded me of the concept of the Grail [20:57] <Obsessed_much> and the hippogriff [20:57] <fawkes28> yes, the sphinx is fascinating - perhaps egypt will come into play more [20:57] <Obsessed_much> i like the whole book! [20:57] <MsCrookshanks2006> What Carpe said!!! [20:57] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> ah the sphinx - i am hoping to see more of that [20:57] <memyslfnI> the inferi, very cool [20:57] <ProngsPatronus> I like the riddle that she asked [20:57] <fawkes28> also the idea of a labryinth - icarus and daedalus [20:57] <professorpete> I find the mythical creature most enchanting, as they could well be undiscov ered in the real world eg..bigfoot/lochness monster ect [20:57] <MsCrookshanks2006> Egypt the Runes.. its a possibility [20:57] <redpen> mirrors and doors [20:57] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> otherwise would she have really mentioned them? [20:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No bunyips, what a pity~ lol [20:58] <ProngsPatronus> and a Minotaur at the end of it... cold [20:58] <redpen> the maze that is Hogwarts [20:58] <Narya> LOL PP [20:58] <Obsessed_much> hogwarts in general [20:58] <Obsessed_much> is aw esome [20:58] <MsCrookshanks2006> Right Pete.. i get caught up in how is hidden.. [20:58] <CarpeDiem> Yes, Red...there are mazes everywhere. The DoM was a maze of sorts as well [20:58] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> just wait wagga there could be a few bunyips [20:58] <fawkes28> yeah, we had an evil minotaur - where is theseus when you need him? [20:58] <Narya> There are also the links to mythology in the runes, which both Hermione and Luna are skilled at reading [20:58] <ProngsPatronus> we had Harry instead [20:59] <Expelliarmas> The celtic mythology associated with the woods used for the wands [20:59] <ProngsPatronus> which was fine with me! [20:59] <redpen> the hero's journey and the books [20:59] <Obsessed_much> celtic mythology will come into play with lily i think [20:59] <Narya> And the wand cores, Expie [20:59] *** Love4Fawkes has quit [Bye] [20:59] <memyslfnI> the ending will revolve around celtic myth I think. [20:59] <Obsessed_much> me to [21:00] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> i'd have to agree obsessed - however i don't think it will be celtic [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> and the Arthurian, as well [21:00] *** golf_gal has quit [Bye] [21:00] <redpen> with the hero living on "forever" [21:00] <Obsessed_much> arthurian very true [21:00] <memyslfnI> he veil and the wheel of time, beltaine, Samhaim and the other sabbats, I think [21:00] <Obsessed_much> red i hope so [21:00] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming to the chat everyone! smile [21:00] *** Overcast has quit [Bye] [21:00] <Expelliarmas> All right, peeps! It's been a great chat join us again on Saturday! [21:00] <Narya> Celtic and Arthurian myth would be my guess [21:00] <fw00per> have a good night everyone - see you later [21:00] <fawkes28> Go hang out in Chamber of Chat with Nimthiriel [21:00] <redpen> g'night! [21:00] <Persephone-of-Ancient-Greece> pleasure guys! [21:00] <Obsessed_much> we are going to chamber chat now right? [21:00] <CarpeDiem> Wonderful chat. Thanks! Great job CB Mods! [21:00] <Narya> Thanks, everyone [21:00] <memyslfnI> ttyl everyone, a great chat as always1 [21:00] <Obsessed_much> bye [21:00] *** Obsessed_much left #lounge [] [21:00] <professorpete> thanks peeps sorry I was late!! [21:00] *** fw00per left #lounge [] [21:01] *** memyslfnI has quit [Bye] [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> lovely chat--be sure to come back! [21:01] <MsCrookshanks2006> thanks everyone [21:01] <fawkes28> see you next time! [21:01] <Nimthiriel> very interesting! [21:01] <Narya> Great questions, PP! Thanks again [21:01] <CedrellaBlack> buyebyee! [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> thank you [21:01] <Nimthiriel> see ya! [21:01] <chocolate89> bye everyone! 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