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Aislinn cloudpic Expelliarmas fawkes28 futureweasley Mr. McGonagall [18:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:02] *** PrincessPickledOnion has joined #lounge [19:02] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:02] <PrincessPickledOnion> Hey everyone! biggrin [19:02] <fawkes28> hi PrincessPickledOnion and debbie [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> hiya kids smile [19:02] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [19:02] <Aislinn> hello! [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> hi nymph [19:02] <nympheart> hi [19:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> how are you all? Its midnight where i am lol! See how dedicated we all are tee hee [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> ouch [19:03] <fawkes28> that is dedication [19:03] <fawkes28> it is only 7 pm in EST [19:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> its worth it i get to talk to you guys smile so what we talking bout today? [19:03] <fawkes28> hi nymph [19:04] <nympheart> hi fawkes [19:04] <fawkes28> Best and Worst Teachers [19:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> Really!! Woah i didnt realise the diff! Cool should have lots on that then [19:05] <fawkes28> oh yes i enjoy talking about teachers - it'll be a great chat [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> so you're home now Fawkes? [19:05] <fawkes28> yes, just got in last night [19:05] <fawkes28> how was your trip? [19:05] *** animaguscow has joined #lounge [19:05] <fawkes28> hi animaguscow [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> hi animaguscow [19:05] <nympheart> hello animaguscow [19:05] <animaguscow> hi [19:05] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> how was your trip Fawkes? [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> hey Mr M smile [19:05] <nympheart> hi MrM [19:06] <fawkes28> hey Mr. M [19:06] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody! [19:06] <fawkes28> i had a great time with the gals - they are so sweet [19:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> hey Aislinn! biggrin [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> nice! [19:06] <fawkes28> did you miss us, debbie? [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it was weird to be so disconnected for so long [19:07] *** TheAzkabanDietitian has joined #lounge [19:07] <nympheart> hi TAD [19:07] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> I did check my e-mail several times over the 3 weeks [19:07] <nympheart> hi Punky [19:07] <TheAzkabanDietitian> hello everyone [19:07] <fawkes28> hi TAD and Punky [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi TAD and punky [19:07] <fawkes28> internet cafes are great! [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> I'm lagging already, this is not a good sign [19:07] <Punky> Hey guys [19:08] <nympheart> i'm trying to stimulate my brain with chocolate, since math fried it [19:08] *** Sophia40 has joined #lounge [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> lol nymph [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> hi sophia [19:08] <nympheart> hi sophia [19:08] <Sophia40> Hi everyone [19:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> i think math has that affect on everything doesn't it? LIke your remedy tho... very nice indeed [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> I love math [19:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> hey ** waves madly** [19:09] <MrMcGonagall> This is your brain. This is your brain on math. Any questions? [19:09] <Sophia40> Argh!!!!! Math [19:09] <nympheart> I like math, it's just hard doing it after school for several hours [19:09] <Punky> lol....and this is your brain with chocolate [19:09] <fawkes28> the only math i have to do is 6th grade math, which is great [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> yay for chocolate [19:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> Lol - i envy u debbie if u like math - you've got my respect already lol. [19:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> Hear hear! [19:09] * nympheart skipped sixth grad math [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> we had some really yummy chocolates in Italy that had a shot of espresso inside of them [19:09] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [19:10] <fawkes28> hi cloudpic [19:10] <nympheart> hi cloud [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> hey cloudpic [19:10] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, cloudpic! [19:10] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Hey cloudpic [19:10] *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> hi me [19:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> hey cloudpic! [19:10] <memyslfnI> HEY! [19:10] <Sophia40> hey cloudpic [19:10] <TheAzkabanDietitian> His mems [19:10] <cloudpic> Hello, everyone! I hope the sun shone where you are today. [19:10] <nympheart> not here, cloud [19:10] <Aislinn> it was lovely here [19:10] <TheAzkabanDietitian> lol, not so much CP [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> it did today, but it sounds like we're in for another storm tomorrow [19:10] <Sophia40> No it did not shine [19:10] <Aislinn> but it's supposed to snow tonight [19:10] <memyslfnI> getting 6 inches of snow tonight GRRRRRR LOL! [19:11] <PrincessPickledOnion> yep - which generally signals everyone walking round in shorts [19:11] <cloudpic> Alas... good for Aislinn, though! [19:11] <fawkes28> hi me [19:11] <PrincessPickledOnion> oh my gosh! [19:11] <fawkes28> oh that stinks [19:11] <animaguscow> if only, we have snow [19:11] <cloudpic> We had flurries today... but 6 inches!! [19:11] <MrMcGonagall> We had a nice day in Oklahoma, windy but mostly sunny, cool with a few brief rain showers. [19:11] <PrincessPickledOnion> Hey fawkes [19:11] <fawkes28> it is chilly here but no snow thank goodness [19:11] <nympheart> I'd take six inches over flurries any day [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> has it warmed up down there Mr M? [19:11] <cloudpic> April showers...May flowers...what'll this snow bring?? [19:11] <PrincessPickledOnion> ive never had proper snow [19:11] <MrMcGonagall> It's still a bit on the chilly side by Oklahoma standards, but ideal for my personal tastes. [19:12] <nympheart> you're missing out princess [19:12] <Sophia40> I still need the sun can"t wait [19:12] <fawkes28> as long as there are no coyotes [19:12] <MrMcGonagall> We had snow flurries last Friday. I nearly died of shock. [19:12] <cloudpic> You need only shovel 8 inches once to regard "proper" snow as a pain in the back! [19:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> lol i think i am!! *sobs* [19:12] <memyslfnI> the joys of living in upstate NY!!! 50 today and snow tomarrow! [19:12] * MrMcGonagall faints. [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Mr M [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> that must've been bizarre [19:12] <Aislinn> absolutely, cloudpic [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> I've seen snow in May here [19:12] <cloudpic> Sounds a bit like OH, memyslfnI [19:12] <Aislinn> the romance of it wears off very quickly [19:12] <nympheart> PA's like that too [19:12] <memyslfnI> yep! [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> I've actually cross country skiied in May before [19:12] <cloudpic> We had two snow days in a row some years back during May... dreadful mess [19:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> we don't even get an inch here - it hails n then thinks 'nah u people don't deserve it...' and rains again [19:13] <fawkes28> it was about 80 in seattle on friday - it was so nice [19:13] <cloudpic> Prom just isn't the same in snow [19:13] <fawkes28> eating lunch outside - getting burnt by the sun laugh [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> did you ever see the sun in Seattle? [19:13] <cloudpic> Wow! That's warm for Seattle, isn't it? [19:13] <Sophia40> I hate rain thats all I ever see all the time [19:13] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Why is Seattle warm and Atlanta NOT? O.o [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> you lucked out! what do they get, like 3 days of sun a year? wink [19:13] <fawkes28> for one day and then it went back to normal seattle weather but it was in the 50's not bad at all [19:13] <PrincessPickledOnion> yerp me too sophia [19:13] <nympheart> I've just realized that I'm allowed to hate rain again [19:13] <cloudpic> I've seen sun in Seattle... visited in September some years back [19:14] <Sophia40> cloudpic are you in Seattle ? [19:14] <cloudpic> Go figure, AzkabanDietitian... weather defies logic! [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> that's cool cp [19:14] <cloudpic> No, OH... it was a visit [19:14] <cloudpic> I'm on the less snowy end of Lake Erie [19:14] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Is anybody going to be able to attend a Scholastic book event? [19:14] <memyslfnI> I am trying to get a press pass [19:15] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Ooh [19:15] <cloudpic> The KnightBus will be driving right by me! They go from Cleveland to Chicago [19:15] <PrincessPickledOnion> not unless you want to pay for my flight **flutters eyelashes** [19:15] <cloudpic> I may wave to it on the turnpike... [19:15] <fawkes28> oh i am going to the one near me [19:15] <PrincessPickledOnion> That sounds brilliant!! [19:15] <cloudpic> sounds like fun [19:15] <Sophia40> Oh I am in the South of Seattle [19:15] <cloudpic> Is it sunnier there, Sophia? [19:16] <cloudpic> Washington state is such a beautiful part of the country [19:16] <fawkes28> ok time to get started! [19:16] <Sophia40> No just alot of clouds [19:16] <cloudpic> awww... [19:16] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [19:16] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [19:16] <fawkes28> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:17] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:17] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:17] <MrMcGonagall> The teaching staff at Hogwarts plays an important role in the series. We’ve seen them come and go, some have been employed by Dumbledore for reasons of his own, and others have been around for ages (let’s face it, there’s even one who died and is still teaching). [19:17] <MrMcGonagall> The teachers at Hogwarts are many and various, and their personalities are diverse. In today’s chat, we’ll be talking about the Hogwarts faculty: who they are, what they’re like, the skills (or lack thereof) they bring to their lessons, and how they interact with other teachers and students. What makes them a good or bad teacher? [19:17] <MrMcGonagall> In your opinion, who is (or was) the best teacher at Hogwarts during Harry’s time? Why? [19:18] <nympheart> McGonagall, she knew both her subject, and how to handle the students [19:18] <cloudpic> My vote goes to Prof. McGonagall... she is consistently the best [19:18] <memyslfnI> IMHO I would say that Lupin and McGonnegal are the best [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> Dumbledore (not for a specific class but for life lessons) [19:18] <MrMcGonagall> I love McGonagall, too. But I am prejudiced. [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> McGonagall 2nd after Albus [19:18] <fawkes28> Lupin is the best teacher [19:18] <Sophia40> McGonagall hands down [19:18] <fawkes28> Lupin is an extremely compassionate teacher and gets his students to love learning [19:19] <cloudpic> I'd have loved to have been in her classes [19:19] <memyslfnI> I like Lupin as he got the students to love what they were doing as well [19:19] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Well, from what I've seen, I would say that Lupin has been the most effective on Harry's learning... but as for other teachers and their teaching abilities per se... They could be better than Harry gives them credit for... [19:19] <cloudpic> Indeed... but he's absent quite a bit, alas [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp [19:19] <fawkes28> that is true cloupic [19:19] <Sophia40> I really wish that Lupin would get a chance to be a full time teacher [19:19] <fawkes28> however, as far as teaching style goes, i would have to argue that Lupin's is better than McGonagall [19:19] <MrMcGonagall> How so, fawkes? [19:20] <memyslfnI> I agree [19:20] <PrincessPickledOnion> I reckon McGonagall for her ability to handle students and her sharp and sarcastic sense of humour. I quite liked Moody too - he just amused me until he turned out to be a psychopath - but go figure! [19:20] <Punky> McG is certainly more reserved than Lupin is [19:20] <fawkes28> he takes more of a personal investment in his students in a way that McGonagall doesn't [19:20] <DumbleDebbie> he did have a knack for bringing the best out of a wide range of students [19:20] <nympheart> I like Remus, but sometimes teachers shouldn't get so close to their students [19:20] <fawkes28> and his level of engagement is higher [19:20] *** wordsfrommike has joined #lounge [19:20] <cloudpic> McGonagall is more consistently professional... Lupin had a chance to do some amazing "new" things...that always [19:20] <DumbleDebbie> hi words [19:20] <cloudpic> grabs students' attention [19:20] <wordsfrommike> LUPIN! [19:20] <wordsfrommike> HI [19:20] *** HPluvr13 has joined #lounge [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> I think McG has the same talent in a way. She encouraged Neville in 5th year. [19:21] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:21] <cbm> Hi [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> hi HPluvr and cbm [19:21] <Aislinn> i agree that Lupin was a wonderful teacher. He does a great job of building students' confidence, and offers a lot of practical learning [19:21] <cloudpic> Harder to teach the curriculum thoroughly year in and out... successfully [19:21] <HPluvr13> hi [19:21] <wordsfrommike> Snape any body ? [19:21] <wordsfrommike> =] [19:21] <cloudpic> LOL [19:21] <fawkes28> yes, but Lupin balances his classroom extremely well - he is a great hands-on teacher [19:21] <wordsfrommike> worst ? [19:21] <wordsfrommike> next to Binns ! [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> nope, not Snape, not by a long shot [19:21] <memyslfnI> Snape teaches through intimidation [19:21] <nympheart> McGonagall's classes are hands-on [19:21] <wordsfrommike> Binns of snape as worse [19:21] <fawkes28> he allows his students to succeed with just the right amount of help from him [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, worst, but I'm sure we'll get to that [19:21] <cloudpic> Goodness, wordsfrommike...you're got odd taste [19:21] <HPluvr13> oh Snape's awful, I never liked teachers who picked favorites and least fav. [19:21] <PrincessPickledOnion> He kind of bridges the gap between the knowledge and the confidence side of his pupils ... like how he interacts with neville to put him at ease after snape discredits him [19:22] <fawkes28> he knows when to push back and when he needs to help more [19:22] <cbm> I think Lupin was the best defense teacher they had! they actually learned something from him [19:22] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, I like the experiential teaching that Lupin provides, that is combined with the theory from the book [19:22] <MrMcGonagall> Well, fawkes, he does also seem to dwell on his favorite part of DADA, too, which is creatures. [19:22] <Aislinn> yes, PrincessPickledOnion , I loved that [19:22] <wordsfrommike> i think we are pushed towards lupin [19:22] <HPluvr13> he makes it fun...and at that age fun is all kids want in school (trust me I am that age) [19:22] <wordsfrommike> due to his importance [19:22] <wordsfrommike> and to be fair who doesn't like him? [19:22] <Aislinn> I wonder if that was the curriculum for third years, Mr M [19:22] <cloudpic> I agree, fawkes, Aislinn... but it's easy to come in for a year and depart from curriculum and seem amazing [19:22] <fawkes28> Mr. M, he only has a year to teach and don't you think that is quite relevant to Harry? [19:23] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Teachers like Lupin though... I think they are easily manipulated by people like Tom Riddle, which isn't a good thing imo [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> Relevant to the story, yes. [19:23] <Aislinn> I think he would have been able to sustain it, cloudpic, but sadly, he wasn't given the opportunity [19:23] <cbm> Is the ? just defense teachers, or all teachers [19:23] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks Aislinn i was kind of reinforcing your point smile [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> All teachers, cbm. [19:23] <HPluvr13> I think all, cbm [19:23] <memyslfnI> We see Lupin's gentle side while he teaches which makes his Werewolf side more alarming [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> to be fair though, a lot of Harry's motivation for learning to do the Patronus charm was his own, not Lupins [19:23] <TheAzkabanDietitian> true Deb [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> b/c Harry really wanted to play Quidditch [19:23] <wordsfrommike> i think lupin was good for a year [19:23] <fawkes28> true, debbie - but other teachers would have said no to him [19:23] <wordsfrommike> but no longer [19:24] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Harry is Lupin as Neville is to Sprout really [19:24] <Aislinn> he specifically mentioned that he asked the teachers to save the Boggart for his third years, so i got the impression that there were different focuses for other years [19:24] <cbm> But Lupin let Harry reach for something that I doubt Lupin thought he would achieve [19:24] <fawkes28> i am not sure if McGonagall would have taught it to him if he asked her [19:24] <DumbleDebbie> Lupin had a personal emotional connection to Harry too [19:24] <wordsfrommike> McGonagall is very good i think [19:24] <wordsfrommike> she has a comcial side to her as well [19:24] <wordsfrommike> with the quidditch [19:24] <DumbleDebbie> I absolutely love McGonagall [19:24] <MrMcGonagall> Who was the worst teacher Harry had for a class? Why was he or she the worst? [19:24] <cloudpic> Lupin may have been terrific if he could overcome his furry little problem, but we don't get to see that long term trial [19:24] <fawkes28> Lupin was guiding him on the side [19:24] <wordsfrommike> and the ginger snaps in her office [19:24] <wordsfrommike> =] [19:24] <memyslfnI> Lockheart [19:24] <cbm> The sadistic teacher [19:24] <TheAzkabanDietitian> XD... I'm afraid to answer [19:24] <nympheart> Lockhart [19:24] <cloudpic> Umbridge is despicable [19:24] <fawkes28> lol [19:24] <PrincessPickledOnion> UMBRIGDE OMG [19:24] <memyslfnI> and snape [19:24] <HPluvr13> i have a teacher much like mcgongall, at first I didn't like her, but she's grown on me [19:24] <wordsfrommike> worst = snape or binns [19:24] *** Azkabans_Angel has joined #lounge [19:24] <memyslfnI> and Umbridge [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> hi AA [19:25] <fawkes28> i will have to agree with Umbridge [19:25] <nympheart> Umbridge was not a good teacher, but at least Harry was able to learn from the experience of having her [19:25] <HPluvr13> Umbridge is worst by far [19:25] <Aislinn> Umbridge, by far [19:25] <wordsfrommike> does Umbrigde count ? [19:25] <Punky> Umbridge, definitely crossed the line. At least he learned from the others [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> Harry did learn useful things from Lockhart and Umbridge though, just not DADA [19:25] <HPluvr13> I mean Binns is bad, but not abusive [19:25] <cloudpic> If teaching had the rule: First, do no harm... it'd be a toss up... but Umbridge doesn't even teach a lesson! [19:25] <wordsfrommike> i don't think she counts ? [19:25] <fawkes28> she is evile beyond all words [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> SNape is horrid [19:25] <wordsfrommike> snape is snape [19:25] <wordsfrommike> good teacher, bad person [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> and he's constantly abusive [19:25] <MrMcGonagall> for me, this one is really a toss-up between Lockhart and Umbridge. [19:25] <cloudpic> They learned things from Lockhart (that he'd stolen from others) and they learn from Snape [19:25] <HPluvr13> yah snape is second in my opinion [19:25] <PrincessPickledOnion> When i first read about Umbrigde i actually had goosebumps and an unpresidented feeling of pure hatred i couldn't explain she does it for me. [19:25] <cbm> Snape was 6 years of pain, Umbridge was only one, so I would give it to Snape for longivity [19:25] <cloudpic> But nothing from Umbridge [19:25] <memyslfnI> her focus is to keep individual thought from happeneing at all [19:25] <fawkes28> Umbridge is sneaky and secretive about her evilness [19:25] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Umbridge never actually taught anything... so yeah, she was the worst. I have no tolerance for teachers who just use a book to define their field [19:25] <Aislinn> Binns teaches, he is just boring. Umbridge didn't even attempt to teach, she just had them read in every class [19:26] <cloudpic> She teaches nothing [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> I think I would have to say Umbridge was the worst. [19:26] <HPluvr13> we don't really know enough about umbridge to know why she acts so awful [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> Lockhart taught Harry how *not* to deal with fame. [19:26] <nympheart> If they learned from Lockhart, they haven't used any of it [19:26] <cbm> But lochheart never tought anything either [19:26] <fawkes28> she feels the need to use physical punishment to her students - which is horrid [19:26] <cloudpic> I agree, Mr. McG. [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, Trelawney teaches absolutely nothing of value. [19:26] <Punky> Umbridge did her best to actively not teach or help them learn [19:26] <Aislinn> yes, punky, she tried her best to prevent them from learning anything. [19:26] <cloudpic> Lockhart was using legitimate information from many books... (it just wasn't his own) [19:26] <memyslfnI> Ah Mr. M I think she might have some value1 LOL! [19:26] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes fawkes i agree [19:26] <wordsfrommike> Trelawney it is her subject that bad.... [19:26] <wordsfrommike> HAGRID ? [19:26] <HPluvr13> trelawney is a strange one, but she seems to have her heart in the right place [19:26] <wordsfrommike> not a very goo teacher tbf! [19:26] <fawkes28> she has them read silently in class - what kind of teacher does only that? it is not even teaching [19:26] <nympheart> that's true MrM, but she's harmless [19:27] <HPluvr13> poor hagrid...he tries [19:27] <wordsfrommike> he really does [19:27] <wordsfrommike> but he is still bad [19:27] <MrMcGonagall> Trelawney's not the meanest teacher he had, but she certainly isn't a good one. [19:27] <cbm> Hagrid is not great, but he is far from the worst [19:27] <cloudpic> I suspend judgment on Trelawney... it's hard to know if anyone learns from that [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> Umbridge taught Harry to choose his battles and that sometimes he needs to not attack head on [19:27] <Sophia40> I don't agree that Umbridge taught nothing she inadvertantly taught self motivation and self discpline [19:27] <cloudpic> Hagrid teaches them to respect the creatures he introduces [19:27] <wordsfrommike> and i think you are ALL wrong about Umbridge [19:27] <fawkes28> yes, cbm - i wouldnt classify hagrid near the worst of the lot [19:27] <wordsfrommike> she was never a teacher [19:27] <animaguscow> umbrigde, she didn't teach and is bad person all around. [19:27] *** mugglemom4 has joined #lounge [19:27] <wordsfrommike> just a look out for fudge [19:27] <PrincessPickledOnion> We're all biased about hagrid because we know him on an intimate level - he's the only teacher except perhaps lupin or DD that we see a deeper part of their lives. [19:27] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Trelawney's teaching could be more of a... hobby in future... Like if you like drawing but decide not to make it your main occupation in life I think [19:27] <wordsfrommike> i don't think she counts [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> hi mugglemom [19:27] <HPluvr13> hi muggle mom [19:28] <mugglemom4> Hello! [19:28] <cloudpic> Hagrid's lesson with Buckbeak was wonderful [19:28] <fawkes28> trelawney at least attempts to teach but goes about it in the wrong way [19:28] <wordsfrommike> not for malfoy [19:28] <fawkes28> hi mugglemom4 [19:28] <cbm> Trelawney at least tries to teach [19:28] <PrincessPickledOnion> totally agree cloudpic [19:28] <mugglemom4> Loved the Buckbeak lesson! [19:28] <HPluvr13> yes, and i think he lost his self confident after that [19:28] <HPluvr13> *confindence [19:28] <MrMcGonagall> Professor McGonagall teaches Transfiguration, an extremely difficult subject. Is there a reason Minerva McGonagall is ideally suited for this subject? [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> Hagrid just overlooks some safety issues. he does teach then useful things [19:28] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Hagrid makes mistakes with magical creatures... I think it's very nice to be able to sit back and learn from others' mistakes.. lol [19:28] <memyslfnI> She is an animagus for one [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> Yeah, she's highly intelligent and very focused [19:28] <wordsfrommike> McGonagall gets my vote [19:28] <wordsfrommike> she is really nice [19:28] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [19:29] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:29] <cloudpic> She is firm and willing to teach each step patiently [19:29] <wordsfrommike> just alittle scary at first! [19:29] <MrMcGonagall> It seems to be a scientific, mathematical sort of subject. [19:29] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think she just excelled at the subject naturally [19:29] <nympheart> Transfiguration seems to require a lot of discipline, and McG radiates that [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> yes, very methodical [19:29] <fawkes28> minerva means wisdom and transfiguration is a very difficult subject [19:29] <HPluvr13> she's been teaching for awhile, experience helps [19:29] <cloudpic> Yes... each step seems important. Each lesson seems to build on previous lessons [19:29] <wordsfrommike> she cares about the students quite alot [19:29] <cbm> I think she is the best teacher that has been there for all 6 years, [19:29] <wordsfrommike> and obv. the new head of hogwarts [19:29] <cloudpic> I'm with you, cbm. [19:29] <PrincessPickledOnion> Its strong, difficult and requires alot of study and patience; kind of like her - it takes a little while to find your footing with her - harry is still unwitted by her actions in book 5 [19:29] <HPluvr13> she's definetly commited to her jobs [19:29] <wordsfrommike> and not an easy job ! [19:29] <MrMcGonagall> It is a subject that requires discipline and focus, and that is definitely how McG rolls. [19:29] *** Killer_reader_2010 has joined #lounge [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> I love it when she gets all competetive over Quidditch! [19:29] <nympheart> yes mike, even if she doesn't always show it [19:30] <memyslfnI> I think she is the most skilled at what she does. [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> hi killer [19:30] <fawkes28> well said, Mr. M - couldn't have put it better myself [19:30] *** harrywillnotdie has joined #lounge [19:30] <wordsfrommike> and her ginger snaps ! [19:30] <HPluvr13> Slughorn? [19:30] <cloudpic> I like the fact that she doesn't permit nonsense... it'd be a disaster with such a hands-on class [19:30] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [19:30] <cbm> He is also very patient and understanding, yet at the same time is a disciplinarian, quite a great combo [19:30] <mugglemom4> Has a female ever been head of hogwarts? [19:30] <wordsfrommike> its like her and snape won't let people mess about [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> hi harry [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> Especially considering how much can go wrong with transfiguration [19:30] <wordsfrommike> but they are scared of snape [19:30] *** ChrisDotsonTLC has joined #lounge [19:30] <Killer_reader_2010> hi [19:30] <fawkes28> she takes control and runs a tight ship [19:30] <wordsfrommike> but respect her [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> yep, mugglemom, Dilys [19:30] <cloudpic> I think so, mugglemom4 [19:30] <nympheart> yup muggle, that portrait in St. Mungo's [19:30] <Sophia40> Do you really think that the Govenors will give her the Headmistress position in these dark times [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> forgot her last name [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> hi chris [19:30] <wordsfrommike> yep [19:31] <wordsfrommike> without a doubt [19:31] <mugglemom4> oh good, thanks! [19:31] <cbm> And she takes control without the sadism of Snape! [19:31] *** harrywillnotdie has quit [Bye] [19:31] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes mugglemom - in book 5 DD sends a female portrait in his office to st, mungo's she used to work there too smile [19:31] <HPluvr13> i must go...bye [19:31] *** HPluvr13 has quit [Bye] [19:31] <wordsfrommike> DD wanted her to become head [19:31] <ChrisDotsonTLC> Hello [19:31] <cloudpic> How do you know that wordsfrommike? [19:31] <wordsfrommike> because she was second in charge [19:31] <memyslfnI> she has a line she does not cross however. She is very rule driven and I love the chapter when she and Harry meet Umbridge for career counseling! She almost loses it! [19:31] <nympheart> well, she was deputy [19:31] <cloudpic> True [19:31] <MrMcGonagall> As his Head of House, Harry interacts with McGonagall quite a bit outside the classroom. What kind of influence or example is she for him in this context? [19:31] <Aislinn> right, cbm, she is able to command respect and authority without having to resort to Snape's nastiness [19:31] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> hi expie [19:32] <wordsfrommike> but will she still teach as head? [19:32] <fawkes28> McGonagall is definitely firm but fair [19:32] <Azkabans_Angel> Vice principals arent always principal material [19:32] <memyslfnI> good question Mike [19:32] <wordsfrommike> she is [19:32] <wordsfrommike> just look at her ?!?!?! [19:32] <wordsfrommike> she is strong [19:32] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [19:32] <wordsfrommike> skilled [19:32] <cloudpic> She shows firmness.... but she also bends the rules when the rules are impossible [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> hi chocolate [19:32] <wordsfrommike> respected [19:32] <cloudpic> (as does Dumbledore) [19:32] <nympheart> very positive, she looks at the motivations for rule breaking before she judges, it's just that sometimes she's wrong [19:32] <fawkes28> yes, cloudpic she does [19:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> smile hey all... talking about mcgonagall? [19:32] <wordsfrommike> yep [19:32] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:32] <wordsfrommike> =] [19:32] <fawkes28> yes, chocolate [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> wb punky [19:32] <wordsfrommike> its only right she becomes head [19:33] <wordsfrommike> and that makes her the best teacher ! [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she's by far my favorite! I'm so glad i made it for her discussion! [19:33] <wordsfrommike> because she is that good [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> "right" doesn't always happen when the MoM is involved [19:33] *** TheAzkabanDietitian has quit [Bye] [19:33] <nympheart> she tries her best to understand Harry, when Hermione was petrified and with the ginger newts [19:33] <memyslfnI> I love her dry wit in the books [19:33] <wordsfrommike> that why you can' count umbridge in my book, she was never a teacher just a MoM look out [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too memysl... she is sly about it... i like her subtlety [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> yes me, I also love her sense of humor [19:33] <cbm> this I would live to have her for a teacher, she has so many positive qualities, it is hard to pick out just a few [19:33] <Expelliarmas> I don't know that McGonagall has had a lot of influence on Harry [19:33] <wordsfrommike> she wasn't there to teach [19:33] <Aislinn> me too, memyslfnI [19:33] <nympheart> me too, me, dry humor is my favorite [19:33] <Sophia40> mom is not involved with the posting of Head [19:33] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> hi tanaqui [19:34] <fawkes28> hi Tanaqui [19:34] <Tanaqui> hi everyone [19:34] <mugglemom4> I love the way she handles Umbridge! [19:34] <cloudpic> She might be more comfortable as second.... if the MoM appoints her, she'd be more oblidged to folllow their dictums,no? [19:34] <Azkabans_Angel> but does she want to be head? she would have to stop teching [19:34] <memyslfnI> I think she will rise to the occasion [19:34] <wordsfrommike> the MoM won't say anything abut hogwarts [19:34] <wordsfrommike> not after umbridge [19:34] <fawkes28> i love how she is not afraid to have umbridge watch her - she shows no fear [19:34] <Sophia40> MOM does not appoint the Head the Govenors do [19:34] <wordsfrommike> Umbridge was quite evil... [19:35] <nympheart> she's a Gryff, fawkes [19:35] <wordsfrommike> Im sorry there is only going to one head of the school! [19:35] <memyslfnI> I also think she will have the portraits..even thought there are limits to what they can do, DD's portrait will be there [19:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> some people act differently when they're not teaching; she doesn't. Shows consistancy and shows a level of decorum of how someone should behave [19:35] *** leakylurker has joined #lounge [19:35] <cloudpic> I'm not sure she'd have to stop teaching if the school has fewer students... [19:35] <cbm> I think that her in charge would be best, who knows what idiot the ministry will come up with [19:35] <Aislinn> I agree cbm [19:35] <wordsfrommike> will she still teach and be head? [19:35] <cloudpic> Yes... Prof. McGonagall is never phony [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> hi LL [19:35] <Expelliarmas> What do you consider to be Minerva McGonagall’s flaws as a teacher? Any shortcomings? [19:35] <cbm> If she feels the same way, that might be a reason to apply [19:36] <Sophia40> Do the Heads teach? [19:36] <leakylurker> hi just peeking in for a minute [19:36] <wordsfrommike> dd didn;t [19:36] <wordsfrommike> i think she will [19:36] <memyslfnI> I do too [19:36] <wordsfrommike> with so few students [19:36] <wordsfrommike> she is bound to [19:36] <Azkabans_Angel> I dont think its possible to do both [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I wish she had a backstory... she's a fun, sly character, but she has little in the way of motivation or personal convictions, aside from being loyal to dumbledore [19:36] <cloudpic> Flaws? McGonagall? nope. [19:36] * cbm likes the silence this question is getting [19:36] <nympheart> she doesn't always listen, sometimes she relies on her own information and logic, and won't hear the rest of the story [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> She's very rule-oriented. [19:36] <memyslfnI> DD was also an advisor and had many duties outside the school [19:36] <Aislinn> the only thing that i think she has as a flaw is a tendency towards impatience [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> lol cbm [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, Aislinn. [19:36] <fawkes28> i think she could be a bit more flexible at times [19:36] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [19:36] *** SiriusLives has joined #lounge [19:36] <Aislinn> she is, Mr M, you're right [19:36] *** PrincessPickledOnion has quit [Bye] [19:36] <Tanaqui> i would say one of her flaws is to appear too strict...this is very off-putting, especially for first years [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> sometimes she's a bit too inflexible? [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> lol fawkes [19:36] <leakylurker> but her impatience is always humourous! [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> hi joy, sirius [19:37] <Expelliarmas> she's got quite the temper [19:37] <Punky> sometimes she can come across as too removed and a little cold [19:37] <wordsfrommike> yer but even DD had his flaws... [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> She's really sort of the consummate teaching professional. [19:37] <Joyhawk2121> hello Everyone [19:37] <Aislinn> it is, leakylurker, but it is hard on poor Neville at times [19:37] <memyslfnI> very few Mike. LOL [19:37] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [19:37] * cloudpic wonders if those who find her impatient or inflexible ever taught school? [19:37] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:37] <SiriusLives> hi everyone [19:37] <fawkes28> oh, yes - i agree punky [19:37] <Sophia40> I think that she is into rules [19:37] <wordsfrommike> i wish DD was alive... [19:37] <fawkes28> i do i do!! [19:37] <wordsfrommike> =I [19:37] <leakylurker> she reminds me of some of best teachers, no nonsense, you appreciate these teachers AFTER you leave school [19:37] *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge [19:37] <nympheart> that's how she stays authoritative, though, if her students knew she had a soft heart then there goes the classroom [19:37] *** Killer_reader_2010 has quit [Bye] [19:37] <Aislinn> excellent question cloudpic [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> hi scdurtis [19:37] <cloudpic> LOL [19:37] <sdcurtis> hello [19:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I really want her to have a backstory to explain her character... her family or some event that might have caused her to be the way she is [19:37] <wordsfrommike> i think everyone knows they could turn to her if they needed to [19:37] <mugglemom4> I agree nympheart [19:38] <fawkes28> you have to be flexible as a teacher - things change moment to moment [19:38] *** ChrisDotsonTLC has quit [Bye] [19:38] *** PrincessPickledOnion has joined #lounge [19:38] <Tanaqui> perhaps she's a bit of a worrywart, too [19:38] <cloudpic> Perhaps it's her age and her heritage? [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> wb PPO [19:38] <wordsfrommike> and she is quite the witch.. [19:38] <cbm> I think that what what we are talking about does not rise to the level of flaws, more like nits [19:38] <Expelliarmas> and yet, wfm, Harry rarely turned to McG [19:38] <Tanaqui> i mean, she staked out privet drive for a day [19:38] <mugglemom4> Harry thought he was a gonner when he caught the remembrall, but it wasn't the case [19:38] <PrincessPickledOnion> hey everyone sorry don't know what happened then!! [19:38] <Sophia40> I don't think we will get a back story though [19:38] *** SiriusLives has quit [Bye] [19:38] <nympheart> true tanaqui [19:38] <wordsfrommike> no back story... [19:39] <fawkes28> it happens, Princess - no worries smile [19:39] <cloudpic> She was certainly in the thick of things during the troubled time with Lord Voldemort...and could remember Grindewald [19:39] <wordsfrommike> a backstory would be pointless to the overall stroy [19:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> nope - no back story a lot of characters are that way, though [19:39] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks debbie! thanks fawkes! smile [19:39] <DumbleDebbie> maybe she's one of those professors who has been married (although she strikes me as a career owman) [19:39] <wordsfrommike> she WILL be head of the schooll [19:39] *** leakylurker left #lounge [] [19:39] <Sophia40> On McGonagall I would love to have one [19:39] <Expelliarmas> well, seeing as we don't know the whole story, i think i shall reserve judgment as to whether a backstory would be a good thing or not [19:39] <wordsfrommike> and i don't think she will be to important [19:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she has flaws to someone who doesn't like rules - harry sees some of her personality traits as flaws, but that's personal preference [19:40] <fawkes28> that is a good point, chocolate [19:40] <Aislinn> I don't see Harry as being critical of her, though, chocolateisnotforbreakfast [19:40] <cloudpic> Harry didn't mind when McGonagall bent the rules for his sake... in that he's typical [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> she was also in school a year behind Tom Riddle I thinik [19:40] <Aislinn> he just knows what he can and can't get away with around her [19:40] <cbm> My favorite moments were when she was going against Umbridge! [19:40] <cloudpic> Yes [19:40] <fawkes28> he takes to other teachers more [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that was great cbm [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> She has Gryffindor pride, too. I love that. [19:40] <wordsfrommike> she is DD with more flaws.. [19:40] <fawkes28> nothing against her at all - if hermione were telling the story we would see more of mcgonagall [19:41] <cbm> I think DD has more flaws [19:41] <PrincessPickledOnion> that's true - and he never tries to over-over step the mark with her where as he might push his luck with other teachers perhaps. Good Point Aislinn [19:41] <Tanaqui> perhaps it's not totally her fault, but the first years are always scared when they first meet her, and it's not a great impression... [19:41] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [19:41] <mugglemom4> But she isn't as old as Dumbledore and doesn't have the experience he does [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> I think she's a great counterpart to DD, and a confidant [19:41] <sdcurtis> I thought she was a year ahead of Riddle [19:41] <wordsfrommike> first years get hagrid and her! [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi hrh7 [19:41] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh i agree dumbledebbie [19:41] <hrh7> Hi [19:41] <Azkabans_Angel> I don't think she has as much character as DD, CBM but thats not necessarily a flaw [19:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i love whenever she almost shows harry her emotions, but barely covers it up... when she feels pity for him when he can't go to hogsmede, when he asks not to take points from gryffindor when he and ron stole the car and TECHNICALLY it's not the school year and she almost smiles at the technicality [19:41] *** herro has joined #lounge [19:41] <Expelliarmas> Filius Flitwick is the unusually short yet talented Charms instructor. How well do you think he manages the sometimes chaotic practical aspects of teaching charms? [19:41] <cloudpic> I love McGonagall's interactions with Peeves [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi herro [19:41] <herro> hi [19:42] <nympheart> i think it's hard when his size is so comical [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> I think he does quite well [19:42] <Sophia40> But can she lead during these dark and difficult times that laya ahead [19:42] <Expelliarmas> he does it with great forbearance [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> he takes been blown across the classroom in stride [19:42] <nympheart> ...and he ends up flying across the room [19:42] <cbm> It is a fun class and I think he does it well [19:42] <Aislinn> I love Flitwick - he is so patient with all of the chaos in his classroom [19:42] <cloudpic> Flitwick seems to ignore the minor things and meet the more extreme problems with serenity [19:42] <sdcurtis> He manages surprisingly well [19:42] <MrMcGonagall> He seems to have a good sense of humor. That would be quite necesary. [19:42] <fawkes28> we dont see him much - but he doesnt seem to give as much direction and guidance as lupin [19:42] <Expelliarmas> he expects kids to screw up but doesn't get annoyed by it [19:42] <herro> who [19:42] <Tanaqui> having students practicing cheering charms must help [19:42] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [19:42] *** MimirTheOdd has joined #lounge [19:42] <mugglemom4> flitwick [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> hi mimir [19:42] <Aislinn> it's so funny when he is sent flying by during the banishing lesson [19:43] <herro> oh [19:43] <MimirTheOdd> G'devening all... [19:43] <Expelliarmas> in fairness, fawkes, he probably has, but the Trio weren't paying attention and so we missed out on the instruction [19:43] <Azkabans_Angel> Bye people, happy chatting :o) [19:43] <Aislinn> hi mimir [19:43] *** Azkabans_Angel left #lounge [] [19:43] *** HPTheoretician has joined #lounge [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> bye AA [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> hi HPTheo [19:43] <cloudpic> He seems to drill them appropriately [19:43] <MimirTheOdd> *laugh* I don't know who's tagline it is, but Flitwick: "I am a wizard, not a baboon waving a stick" [19:43] <Sophia40> Not really sure about Flitswick [19:43] <HPTheoretician> Hi! [19:43] * MrMcGonagall wipes tear from eye, laughing. [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> I love Flitwick! [19:43] <cloudpic> Gives them the proper information and lets them have at it [19:43] <animaguscow> I like flitwick, Ithink he does great jod, love his humor [19:43] <Tanaqui> i think he's like the science teacher that's decided to make the subject FUN [19:44] <Expelliarmas> Flitwick is not a "wands away" instructor [19:44] <cloudpic> I'd have trouble paying attention in his room, though [19:44] <wordsfrommike> he is good [19:44] <MimirTheOdd> I'd actually love to hear more about the teachers you DON'T see... Astronomy... the like. [19:44] <wordsfrommike> but not the best [19:44] <wordsfrommike> he is the teacher everone loves but not much repscet [19:44] <fawkes28> we'll get to them all, mimir smile [19:44] <PrincessPickledOnion> I love the unity between the teachers... like in book 5 under Umbridge's terror you see the links between teachers and the friendships they have outside lessons - you can just see them all in the staff room; like Proff. Sprout, McG. and Flitwick generally stay together. I love tht about JO. She creates realism. Flitwick just epitomises that. He's the opposite of McG in the respect his lessons are lose-er lol. [19:44] <MimirTheOdd> Oh, I don't know. [19:44] <MimirTheOdd> His topic might be the most useful. [19:44] <wordsfrommike> his topic is great [19:45] <MimirTheOdd> I mean, how would Molly cook without charming up some sauces? [19:45] <wordsfrommike> the best next to DATDA [19:45] <mugglemom4> He's just so charming, :P [19:45] <cloudpic> That's a very good point, PrincessPickledOnion...they do offer support for one another [19:45] <HPTheoretician> Useful... will always be used at some point [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> Wingardium Leviosa came in handy wink [19:45] <cbm> He may be every bit as good as McGonagall, but I do not think we see him enough , and Harry does not interact with him outside of class [19:45] <Tanaqui> and doesn't neville like charms? [19:45] <Expelliarmas> given he was a champion dueler, i think he does have quite a lot of respect [19:45] *** MimirTheOdd has quit [Bye] [19:45] <wordsfrommike> he is to simple i think [19:45] <cloudpic> Accio! saved Harry from Dragons [19:45] <Aislinn> no, and that is great about him expie [19:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks cloudpic :d [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> yes cp [19:45] <nympheart> yes, tanaqui, just not as much as herbology [19:45] <Sophia40> The swish and flic was pretty good advice [19:45] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [19:45] <fawkes28> he definitely falls into the good category of teachers [19:45] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:46] <Expelliarmas> What sort of personal qualities and characteristics do you think Flitwick brings to his teaching? [19:46] <DumbleDebbie> patience [19:46] <Tanaqui> it's been mentioned--his sense of humor [19:46] *** MimirTheOdd has joined #lounge [19:46] <Aislinn> patience, definitely [19:46] <DumbleDebbie> wb Mimir [19:46] <HPTheoretician> Definitely [19:46] <Sophia40> That size does not matter [19:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh. agree with aislinn and dumbl [19:46] <cloudpic> Extraordinary patience... but he is also very observant... notices what they need extra help with [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, let's not forget he was a duelling champion. [19:46] <cbm> I think patience is required for most magical subjects and Flitwick has it [19:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> lol sophia! [19:46] <fawkes28> yes, definitely humor [19:46] *** memyslfnI left #lounge [] [19:46] <Expelliarmas> he can be a bit sly too; he told Umbridge he could've gotten rid of the fireworks but wasn't allowed by decree [19:46] <MimirTheOdd> Sorry about that. Had to exercise some wizardry of my own and fix my computer. [19:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> Very true cloudpic [19:46] <cloudpic> He knows his students [19:46] <fawkes28> and he just seems to really enjoy being there with the students [19:46] <MimirTheOdd> Anybody know the charm for that? smile [19:46] <DumbleDebbie> loved that bit expie [19:47] <nympheart> when the final exam includes making a pineapple tap-dance across a desk... [19:47] <Aislinn> he seems to tailor his program to the individual student's needs - students who have trouble in class get more homework than those who succeed [19:47] <MrMcGonagall> Wit beyond meeasure is man's greatest treasure. [19:47] <Tanaqui> i think he also ENJOYS teaching--that always comes through, especially when you like your subject [19:47] <PrincessPickledOnion> A slegde hammer MimirTheOdd? [19:47] <cloudpic> I like that too, Aislinn [19:47] <HPTheoretician> That's definitely a good point in a teacher [19:47] <mugglemom4> He seems to understand the student. [19:47] <PrincessPickledOnion> Works wonders for your anger i find biggrin [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> "Computero workiosa" [19:47] <MimirTheOdd> Well, if you ended up with glass shards in your hat every time a vinegar to wine charm went funny, I'd think you'd want to get those folks fixed up. [19:47] *** mugglemom4 has quit [Bye] [19:47] <Expelliarmas> I also like that he definitely knows his business [19:47] <wordsfrommike> how much do you think they get paid ? [19:47] <MimirTheOdd> Hm. Would you use a screwdriver as the wand for that charm though? [19:48] <fawkes28> he never seems to get angry or annoyed, which is a nice quality to have [19:48] *** mugglemom4 has joined #lounge [19:48] <wordsfrommike> and do you think they have pensions and the lark ? [19:48] <cloudpic> He doesn't use his ability in his own subject as punishment, either [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> yes, he's very even tempered [19:48] <MimirTheOdd> Hm. Pay... Didn't the HP Lexicon have something about that? [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> wb mugglemom [19:48] <Aislinn> agreed, fawkes, other than the baboon brandishing a stick episode [19:48] <nympheart> yes fawkes, he's very easy-going, he didn't even get mad when Hermione skipped class [19:48] <mugglemom4> don't know what happened! [19:48] <cloudpic> I'd have been terribly tempted had I his skills... [19:48] <Expelliarmas> Let's stay on topic, folks [19:48] <cbm> True fawkes that is a great quality for a teacher [19:48] <mugglemom4> he lets the trio talk during class [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp [19:49] <Sophia40> Yeah what the pay for a teacher at Hogwarts. Not to much considering where snape lived [19:49] <Expelliarmas> Flitwick joined the Order of the Phoenix in the Second War. What do you think this says about him? [19:49] <Joyhawk2121> he never yells and that'd nice [19:49] <MimirTheOdd> Well, Snape might've had his own reasons. [19:49] <MrMcGonagall> He doesn't just stay on the sidelines and watch things happen. [19:49] <nympheart> he's got guts as well as brains [19:49] <PrincessPickledOnion> I think that's a good point Aislinn and CLoudpic; in McG. lessons they're so structured that everyone feels the need to do it exactly like everyone else; which is probably the point of trans. but with flitwick - his lessons are so free that he's able to help individuals out without prejudice and torment of other students. Like snape; he makes neville's life hell by belittling him in class. Everyone hears. Everyone has so mu [19:50] <wordsfrommike> i think it comes down to your personality [19:50] <wordsfrommike> snape is harsh [19:50] <Aislinn> good point, princess [19:50] <HPTheoretician> That's normally one way of telling a good teacher from an excellent teacher [19:50] <fawkes28> i am sure he had good reasons for not joining the first time [19:50] <mugglemom4> expe, he must be brave [19:50] <MimirTheOdd> But Snape has to be the example of a bad teacher... isn't that what JK said? [19:50] <wordsfrommike> but flitwick is TOO sork [19:50] *** JustifiablyBrilliant has joined #lounge [19:50] <cbm> that DD thought he was valuable to the order and he is willing to put himself on the line to defeat voldemort [19:50] <fawkes28> it is nice of him to want to fight and help harry [19:50] <cloudpic> Was he too young? It's hard to tell his age.. [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> hi JB [19:50] <HPTheoretician> Whether they structure the lesson for individuals or not can really make a difference [19:50] <JustifiablyBrilliant> Hello! [19:50] <fawkes28> that is what i am wondering, cloudpic [19:50] <Expelliarmas> he definitely has skills Dumbledore thought would benefit the order; also as he is part Goblin, it can't hurt [19:50] <wordsfrommike> was snape the youngest teacher ? [19:50] <mugglemom4> He may not have had the chance to join the first time [19:50] <nympheart> I think he's older, cp [19:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> thankssmile yeh i totally agree [19:50] <Sophia40> Snape is so full of himself [19:51] *** moody has joined #lounge [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> hi moody [19:51] <MrMcGonagall> I think he's very loyal to Dumbledore. [19:51] <MimirTheOdd> Flitwick was teaching in the 70's according to the lexicon [19:51] <MimirTheOdd> so it's possible he just didn't join up.. [19:51] <cloudpic> Do we know he's part Goblin? I thought that wasn't confirmed by JKR...?? [19:51] <Aislinn> I see him as a loyal member of the school, so it didn't surprise me to learn that he joined the Order [19:51] <HPTheoretician> Filius Flitwick is the Charms professor at Hogwarts. He is very small in stature but not small in magical ability. He is an accomplished wizard and, according to rumor, was a dueling champion when he was younger (CS). [19:51] <HPTheoretician> Flitwick is an emotional fellow. When Ginny Weasley is taken into the Chamber of Secrets, he bursts into tears. He seems to have a gentle spirit. [19:51] <HPTheoretician> During Charms, when Neville's fumbling attempts at casting a spell result in Flitwick being sent sailing across the room, Flitwich accepts this resignedly instead of losing his temper. But he commands respect in spite of his sensitive nature and small stature. When he encounters Harry and Malfoy on the stairs discussing Harry's new Nimbus 2000, Malfoy treats him just like any other teacher with no hint of the sarcasm he used with [19:51] <fawkes28> maybe that is why DD wanted him to join - to get the goblins to join wink [19:51] <cloudpic> ah [19:51] <HPTheoretician> That's what the Lexicon has to say about Flitwick... [19:51] <HPTheoretician> Some of it anyway. [19:51] <Sophia40> insnare the senses put a stopper in death PUKE [19:51] <cbm> The lexicon also says he is ancient [19:51] <moody> Hello All! [19:51] <nympheart> he was a dueling champion...maybe that got in the way, but you'd think the war would be more important This post has been edited by fawkes28: Apr 11 2007, 08:40 PM |
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[19:52] <cloudpic> hmmm.... Well, I'm glad he's on the Order's side this time around then.
[19:52] <MimirTheOdd> Dueling champ.. hm. Useful skill to have as an order member, no? [19:52] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was harder to convince people to join the Order the first time around. [19:52] <PrincessPickledOnion> Nicely done - thanks for the info! [19:52] <cbm> I forgot, but who said he was a dueling champ? [19:52] <cloudpic> Perhaps he wasn't invited to join? [19:52] <HPTheoretician> S'ok. [19:52] <Expelliarmas> we learned he was a duelling champ in CoS [19:52] <moody> THE worst teacher has to be binns! come on? [19:52] <wordsfrommike> the order was bad the last time [19:52] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes MrM i agree - Voldie probably had a strong hold by the time DD had chance to convince people to join [19:52] <HPTheoretician> Definitely Moody! [19:52] <MimirTheOdd> True... It's conceivable a lot of folks (teachers included) stayed out of it because Voldemort's army was too large. [19:52] <wordsfrommike> they were always one step behind [19:52] <MimirTheOdd> *hifive to PPO* [19:52] <Expelliarmas> The current topic of discussion is Flitwick; plese stay on topic. [19:53] <PrincessPickledOnion> lol *HI5 to Mimir!* [19:53] <wordsfrommike> but then again how good is flitwick if he is too scared to fight LV the first time ? [19:53] <cbm> I remember the students saying it before the dueling club, but did someone more reliable else confirm it? [19:53] <cloudpic> Didn't Dumbledore "invite" people to join? [19:53] <moody> sorry, just joined so didnt know expelliarmas! flitwick..right [19:53] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> hi 7 [19:53] <Expelliarmas> we don't know that, wordsfrommike [19:53] <moody> hi [19:53] <nympheart> hi seven [19:53] <mugglemom4> But the order was so few in number the first time and they were being picked off so fast, maybe he just didn't have a chance to join the order [19:54] <wordsfrommike> what other reasons could there be ? [19:54] <wordsfrommike> a chance! [19:54] <SevenofNine> Greetings everyone! [19:54] <wordsfrommike> he is a personal friend of DD [19:54] <Aislinn> hi seven [19:54] <Expelliarmas> hello, 7 [19:54] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Seven! [19:54] <nympheart> maybe DD didn't know him quite as well and wasn't sure he could trust him [19:54] <moody> is flickwit the one who apparently snape cursed before killin dd? [19:54] <JustifiablyBrilliant> Hello [19:54] <HPTheoretician> Perhaps he was overseas when the Order was recruiting? [19:54] <PrincessPickledOnion> very true didn't moody or lupin say that they were outnumbered 20/30 to one?? [19:54] <wordsfrommike> yep [19:54] <SevenofNine> Who didn't join? Flitwick? [19:54] <cloudpic> Maybe he had family obligations then? [19:54] <Aislinn> we don't know for a fact that he wasn't in the Order the first time around [19:54] <nympheart> flitwick, seven, yes [19:54] <Aislinn> do we? [19:54] <wordsfrommike> true [19:54] <PrincessPickledOnion> true [19:54] <fawkes28> we don't even know if he was teaching, do we? [19:54] <HPTheoretician> True Aislinn... [19:54] <SevenofNine> He was a champion dueler. That has to come into play later [19:54] <wordsfrommike> BUT moodys photo [19:54] <wordsfrommike> he wasn't in it [19:54] <cbm> He may have joined after the picture was taken [19:55] <fawkes28> perhaps he was in another part of the country? [19:55] <Expelliarmas> Dear old Professor Pomona Sprout... Head of Hufflepuff House and magical botanist extraordinaire. Is there a natural connection between Hufflepuffness and gardening ability? [19:55] <HPTheoretician> He had been teaching at Hogwarts in the 70's [19:55] <Aislinn> I don't think moody's photo is proof of anything [19:55] <sdcurtis> what if Flitwick didn't want to join? [19:55] <Aislinn> it wasn't necessarily everyone in the order [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> it's that "ground" thing smile [19:55] <SevenofNine> But was that picture of all members? [19:55] <MrMcGonagall> Hufflepuff is the house that symbolizes earth. [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> the earth element [19:55] <wordsfrommike> if he didn't want to join is he a great teacher/person [19:55] <nympheart> I'd say so, earth element, it seems to be [19:55] <SevenofNine> I suspect the DD may have played a bit of the LV game. [19:55] <SevenofNine> Not everyone knew who everyone else was [19:55] <PrincessPickledOnion> No; Neville would have been placed in Hufflepuff if that's the case? [19:55] <cloudpic> We don't really know Prof. Sprout all that well... except that she loves her subject and is a bit... rumpled [19:55] <SevenofNine> It's to dangerous if they catch someone. [19:55] <MimirTheOdd> Sprout... soon to be replaced by her star student Neville... [19:55] <moody> i like sprout..omg, just released sprout!!! sprout...gardening doh! [19:55] <Expelliarmas> I don't think there is a connection given Neville's abilities [19:55] <Sophia40> No because Neville is good a Herbology [19:55] <MimirTheOdd> I love her patched hat. [19:55] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:56] <cbm> It shows All members at a point that was probably 2 years before the end of the way [19:56] <nympheart> hi prongs [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> hi prongs [19:56] <cbm> war [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [19:56] <SevenofNine> I think they do her an injustice in the films--Sprout [19:56] <SevenofNine> Hey Prongs [19:56] <Aislinn> it would make total sense for this "earth" Head of House to be connected to earthly skills like herbology [19:56] <Aislinn> hi prongs! [19:56] <Sophia40> Don't you think the position open would be Trans [19:56] <cbm> She seems very nice and down to earth [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> She's a competent, nose to the grindstone kind of techer. [19:56] <Aislinn> we just started talking about Sprout [19:56] <cloudpic> Sprout teaches a subject which is potentially very dangerous to the students... but they manage to survive. [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> The epitome of Hufflepuff. [19:56] <moody> i like sprout in the films..shes great [19:56] *** JustifiablyBrilliant has quit [Bye] [19:56] <HPTheoretician> Is Sprout in the Order...? Should she be recruited? [19:56] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yes fair point; kind of like the unity thing again - Earth Wind, Fire and Water like it Aislinn [19:56] <SevenofNine> Unlike magical creatures . . . [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> Actually, I will venture that Hebology is what HH taught during her tenure there [19:56] <Sophia40> She is no nonsence kinda gal [19:57] <HPTheoretician> Perhaps because of her Hufflepuffness, she doesn't want to fight? [19:57] <SevenofNine> I would agree PP [19:57] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [19:57] <DumbleDebbie> hi brett [19:57] <moody> hi brett [19:57] <Expelliarmas> repeating the question: How would you describe Professor Sprout and her personal qualities? Is she a good teacher? [19:57] <SevenofNine> There are different kinds o fpeople and how they resist. [19:57] <cloudpic> She may help with behind the scenes things... like supplying necessary herbal materials? [19:57] <BrettMac> ACK! sorry im so late everyone--i just remembered the chat five minutes ago [19:57] <SevenofNine> I think Sprout does an excellent, fair job. [19:57] *** MimirTheOdd has quit [Bye] [19:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> I think its like book 5 when madam marchbanks states that hogwarts is firstly a school not an outpost for the ministry's employee's.... its like that for the order: Hogwarts is a school - not an outpost for the Order [19:57] <moody> yea..shes so like teachers ive had, that everyone has i think [19:58] <fawkes28> wordsfrommike, please click on the box at the top of your screen with fawkes28 on it and acknowledge [19:58] <cloudpic> She seems to be thoroughly versed in her subject and loves it. [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I think she is a good teacher--anyone who can get Neville to come out of his shell, and encourage him in his interest, is tops in my book [19:58] <Tanaqui> sprout's another one who loves teaching and her subject [19:58] <SevenofNine> Yes, and she's fair. She rewards good work [19:58] <cloudpic> Oh, I'll second that, ProngsPatronus! [19:58] <Aislinn> very true, prongs [19:58] <BrettMac> i like her as a character. she really knows her herbology, and shes very to-ther-point and straightforward [19:58] <cbm> I guess so, we do not see her very much and Harry doe not complain about the class, so I guess she is good [19:58] <SevenofNine> Even if the student is a jerk [19:58] <nympheart> she doesn't mess around with her subject, she gives very straight-forward instructions and doesn't seem to repeat herself [19:58] <Expelliarmas> she doesnt just love her subject; she *is* her subject [19:58] <DumbleDebbie> lol expie [19:58] <SevenofNine> I imagine that she's VERY good at what she does. [19:58] <HPTheoretician> Hear Hear Expie! [19:58] <Joyhawk2121> lol xpie [19:58] <MrMcGonagall> Prof. Sprout = Earth Mother [19:59] <fawkes28> yes, she is very passionate and compassionate [19:59] <PrincessPickledOnion> like that expie smile [19:59] <cbm> true expie [19:59] <Sophia40> I think she is fair minded [19:59] <cloudpic> The kids in her class are often doing "real work" for the school...not just praticing [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> immersed in her work? [19:59] <SevenofNine> Why else couldn't they have gotten Mandrake juice (or whatever) until later int he year. [19:59] <SevenofNine> Must be hard to get [19:59] <fawkes28> yes, cloudpic, which makes them more invested [19:59] <nympheart> usually sophia, she wasn't happy when Harry became a champion with her Cedric [19:59] <HPTheoretician> Does a good job of her subject. [19:59] <Expelliarmas> she's perpetually dirty and smelly from her work [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> true 7, or they would have had it earlier [19:59] <fawkes28> she is a great role model for Neville [19:59] <cbm> Either hard or expensive to get [19:59] * cloudpic must go, thanks all [19:59] <HPTheoretician> She let's the kids put their skills to use. [19:59] <PrincessPickledOnion> larger part of the school - like that cloudpic... preparing to be part of something bigger biggrin [19:59] <wordsfrommike> not a big fan [19:59] <moody> she so down -to -bussiness- like, she strikes me as someone who would say pip-pip! teehee [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> bye cp [19:59] <Aislinn> yes, she is totally immersed in her craft [19:59] <nympheart> bye cloudpic [19:59] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [19:59] <Expelliarmas> bye cloudpic [19:59] <HPTheoretician> Bye cloudpic [19:59] <BrettMac> bye cloudpic smile [19:59] <SevenofNine> But she was never overtly against Harry [19:59] <SevenofNine> Bye CP [20:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> bye cloudpic xx [20:00] <BrettMac> she strikes me as an immensely happy-go-lucky person [20:00] <SevenofNine> I think she's probably into simple pleasures [20:00] <fawkes28> another good personality to have as a teacher [20:00] <sdcurtis> rather than having them sit around looking at plants and reading books she also teaches them the proper care for the plants [20:00] <fawkes28> doesnt get frustrated easily [20:00] <hrh7> She seems dedicated. And she helps the other teachers when they need it also. [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> good soil is not smelly! [20:00] <moody> she should get together wit slughorn..theyd make a good pair!! [20:00] <cbm> She loves her subject! [20:00] <Joyhawk2121> and a warm person too [20:00] <Aislinn> no it's not [20:00] <SevenofNine> Yes, I think that would be the best kind of class, personally, sdcurtis [20:00] <nympheart> I agree, seven, she doesn't seem to be a complex person [20:00] <Expelliarmas> who said it was soil ... [20:01] <SevenofNine> No. good soil smells . . . good [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> lol expie, I was thinking the same... dragon's dung for instance [20:01] <MrMcGonagall> Her favorite fertilizer [20:01] <Aislinn> even composted manure is not smelly, although we don't know about dragon dung [20:01] <SevenofNine> That's not soil--that's fertilizer [20:01] <SevenofNine> BIG difference! laugh [20:01] <moody> haha wer arguing bout soil!! [20:01] <Expelliarmas> Professor Snape is Head of Slytherin House and, for Harry’s first five years at Hogwarts, the Potions master. What do you think of Severus Snape’s general teaching style? [20:01] <Sophia40> No she strikes me as patient, kind, loyal, fearce fearce friend, oh wait that was cedric [20:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> she's the metaphor for her subject -- she's easy going and calm like her plants apper to be: but she's brainy underneath and busy in the mind department perhaps like her plants systems are busy [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> what was the question? [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> llol thanks [20:01] <BrettMac> greasy git [20:02] <Tanaqui> you know, gardeners often have hope... [20:02] <fawkes28> hehehehe devil2 [20:02] <SevenofNine> He sucks [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> terrible [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> Bad teacher. Bad, bad, bad. [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> horrible [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> abusive [20:02] <SevenofNine> I want to hurt him [20:02] <nympheart> he knows the subject, but he does not handle the students well at all [20:02] <PrincessPickledOnion> firstly... i have to say... HIIISSSSS for snape [20:02] <SevenofNine> Badly [20:02] <Tanaqui> snape's teaching style reminds me of the teachers i had that hated freshmen, just because they were freshmen [20:02] <BrettMac> favoritism, abuse, and impatience--three things to hate about a bad teacher [20:02] <Expelliarmas> I don't think much of his teaching style--such as it is [20:02] <moody> he good! sorry yea, hes evil teacher but soft and good inside!!:) [20:02] <SevenofNine> He should never have been allowed to be around children. [20:02] <SevenofNine> One of DD's mistakes [20:02] <Aislinn> he is all about favoritism and belittlement [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, nymph [20:02] <Aislinn> the worst qualities in a teacher [20:02] <cbm> He is a sadistic rotten excuse for a teacher [20:02] * DumbleDebbie agrees with 7 [20:02] <sdcurtis> He's the kind of professor that everyone hates to get [20:02] <BrettMac> much, MUCH agreed cbm [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> he shouldn't be allowed around students [20:02] <Joyhawk2121> aside from his bad teaching he knows his stuff [20:02] <mugglemom4> I think it is sad because he could really teach the students so much [20:02] <fawkes28> belittlement is not good in a teacher [20:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> **PPO is too disgusted to speak [20:03] <hrh7> He does know the subject but he doesn't care if the students learn it or not. [20:03] <Expelliarmas> let's see: abusive, sadistic, nasty, mean, sarcastic--yes, a model teacher [20:03] <BrettMac> he shouldnt be allowed around people... [20:03] <SevenofNine> I've had teachers who couldn't teach. Snape went way beyond that. [20:03] <cbm> He should not be allowed around any children at all [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> knowing a subject and being a good teacher are 2 different things though [20:03] <Aislinn> it is one thing to know your subject, and quite another to be able to teach it to others [20:03] <Sophia40> Well I think we are all colored by our hate for Snape to do him justice [20:03] <SevenofNine> Right, Exp [20:03] <moody> but weve all had teachers we dont like but sometimes they're the ones that get results, that make us strive to be better [20:03] <sdcurtis> He knows his stuff and feels that teaching is somewhat beneath him [20:03] <fawkes28> teachers need to put personal business aside and he has not been able to do this at all [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> he may know potions, but that does not mean he has any talent as a teacher----of anything [20:03] <SevenofNine> No, I don't think that I am. [20:03] <SevenofNine> I think Snape is DD's man, but I still think he's a dreadful person. [20:03] <Aislinn> teachers can be brilliant in their subject and absolute rubbish at teaching [20:03] <Punky> It's not that he can't teach, he's smart, but he's abusive [20:03] <SevenofNine> Power tripping on little kids [20:03] * fawkes28 hugs seven [20:03] <nympheart> he isn't very encouraging, on the first day he calls his students "dunderheads" [20:03] <hrh7> Agreed Sophia40 [20:03] *** hplver has joined #lounge [20:03] <Punky> exactly Aislinn [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> hi hplver [20:04] <moody> snape is a teacher that would make us stronger as people and to stand up for ourselves [20:04] <Joyhawk2121> I agree Aislinn [20:04] <SevenofNine> Snape would make a terrible debater [20:04] <cbm> He knows that subjext but He holds back what he knows, if he taught what was in the HBP book, the students would be much better, but that would also mean he actually cared about the students [20:04] *** MimirTheOdd has joined #lounge [20:04] <SevenofNine> He makes everything personal [20:04] <Aislinn> he doesn't adjust his style to work with the kids, he doesn't explain what he is trying to get them to learn [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> wb Mimir [20:04] <SevenofNine> He's constantly on the attack [20:04] <MimirTheOdd> Snape? [20:04] <fawkes28> he does make Harry stronger for everything he has done to him [20:04] <MimirTheOdd> *tries to sort out who we're talking about* [20:04] <Aislinn> right, cbm, and he has made it abundantly clear that this is not his goal [20:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> hey mimir [20:04] <SevenofNine> Like the son, A Boy Named Sue? [20:04] <MrMcGonagall> The via negativa of teaching. [20:04] <mugglemom4> Snape [20:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> Snape = u were right lol [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> well, so do the Dursley's though, and I don't think it makes themgood teachers [20:04] <nympheart> actually, he probably did, cbm, he put instructions on a blackboard and the students probably didn't look in their books to see if the instructions matched [20:04] <SevenofNine> Like learning to be a survivor or a vicious assault? [20:04] <Sophia40> I think that Snape is ......... [20:05] <moody> yep fawes! exactly what i mean [20:05] <SevenofNine> Some kind of learning we can do without [20:05] <Aislinn> yeah, I don't agree with that [20:05] <cbm> Fawkes, that is just a byproduct of the way he treats harry due to his hatred of Harry [20:05] <BrettMac> snape is everything a kid dreads about meeting a new teacher [20:05] <moody> haha..yea seven! [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> lol 7, good point [20:05] <Aislinn> harry succeeds in spite of snape, not because of him [20:05] <nympheart> agreed, Aislinn [20:05] <SevenofNine> Absolutely, Aislinn [20:05] <SevenofNine> The same canb e said for Hermione. [20:05] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed [20:05] <cbm> I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that Snape has any positive feelings towards Harry [20:06] * fawkes28 is going to be good tonight [20:06] <nympheart> and Draco hasn't really succeeded at all [20:06] <Aislinn> yes, seven, she would learn no matter who the teacher [20:06] <SevenofNine> She can succeed regardless, but for those like the Nevilles of the world... [20:06] <MimirTheOdd> Hm. Now, Snape had to recognize though that Harry had the HBP's potions book. [20:06] *** phoenix42 has joined #lounge [20:06] <BrettMac> ...except for when he saved him in PS/SS [20:06] <MimirTheOdd> Why didn't he push that further? [20:06] <cbm> Why be good? [20:06] <BrettMac> draco just gloats, and gets top marks [20:06] <moody> he mightnt have but youve got to agree snape didnt harm him in HBP [20:06] <Sophia40> Snape doesn't give the students tools to succeed [20:06] <SevenofNine> Snape has his reasons. [20:06] <fawkes28> hehehe [20:06] <SevenofNine> And I don't think it's out of the goodness of his heart [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> I don't reallt care what Snape's reasons are [20:06] <Aislinn> we're talking about his skills as teacher, not his loyalty folks [20:06] <Expelliarmas> Do you think Snape is really frustrated teaching Potions? Is this the students’ fault, or is this his own thwarted ambition? [20:06] <SevenofNine> Whatever it is, it's all about him [20:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> draco... is mummsie-wummsied. LIke dudley only evil-er [20:07] <MimirTheOdd> I'd think he expects a lot of the students so that they have to perform. [20:07] <SevenofNine> His teaching methods are also all about him [20:07] <SevenofNine> Talk about a DRAMA QUEEN [20:07] <Sophia40> Snape did know about the book [20:07] <nympheart> I think he liked Potions, just not as much as he drooled over DADA [20:07] <Aislinn> I think it is partly his own thwarted ambition [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> he does seem to have issues with not being DADA prof [20:07] <Expelliarmas> Snape put himself in the position he was in--if he didn't like teaching potions or thought it beneath him, then it was his own fault [20:07] <MimirTheOdd> He's obviously good at potions.. perhaps so good he's bored. [20:07] <fawkes28> oh, yes, i know what it is like to teach something but want another position [20:07] <cbm> I think that the one think he likes about teaching is that it gives him the chance to abuse students [20:07] <nympheart> somehow I don't think the students have anything to do with it [20:07] <Tanaqui> agreed--i'm not sure how to argue it's the students' fault... [20:07] <fawkes28> just because you are good at something doesnt mean you want to do it [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> I think he wanted the DADA position because somehow, he believed he would overcome the curse [20:07] <moody> its not all bout him, it all bout dds plans! and snape repenting!! [20:07] <Tanaqui> mimir--that's a good point [20:07] <phoenix42> I think Snape makes them think for themselves. He does give the directions. It's just a matter of how well they read it. the problem is when they need help, he can't be asked or so we think. [20:07] <Aislinn> yeah, expie, but he is notorious for not owning his own stuff [20:07] <SevenofNine> If he hates it so much--and it seems like he really hated teaching--you'd think he would have looked for something else if he truly thought LV was dead. [20:08] <Sophia40> H ehas allways excelled at potions [20:08] <hplver> true malfoy does nothing, but, he is a coward and depends on everyone else to pull him through, like Snape [20:08] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't see his teaching style change dramatically when he became DADA prof. [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> being in a less than optimal teaching position is no reason to abuse the students [20:08] <SevenofNine> That has to impact his teaching. [20:08] <cbm> I think that it is Dumbledore's fault for hiring someone not suited for teaching [20:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thwarted ambition seems to have a deepseated emotion - maybe its enhanced by all the kids [20:08] <mugglemom4> But was he that much better as a DADA teachaer? [20:08] <BrettMac> i think he hates the subject, but thats obviously not what he takes out on the students--he was exactly the same in the DADA post [20:08] *** mugglemom4 has quit [Bye] [20:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> no. [20:08] <SevenofNine> I don't think so mugglemom4. [20:08] *** mugglemom4 has joined #lounge [20:08] <Aislinn> no, he didn't seem to be mugglemom [20:08] <Tanaqui> it was noted that even though snape was out of the dungeons for DADA, the room still felt the same [20:08] <nympheart> he was just as nasty teaching DADA [20:08] <cbm> Was e better, what percent of the class learned wordless magic? [20:08] <ProngsPatronus> he is a terrible teacher [20:08] <SevenofNine> Remember Harry thinking he wouldn't do well on an essay because Harry disagreed with him. [20:08] <fawkes28> he was the same but it was something that he wanted to do [20:08] <moody> people who wear there hearts on there sleeves are easy prey to the dark lord! [20:08] <cbm> was he better? [20:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> But he can't affect harry there because harry has now come too far and excells in it anyway and doesn't need a teacher's guidance confidence wise. [20:09] <Expelliarmas> Snape simply is not mature enough to get beyond his own resentment to become an excellent teacher [20:09] <SevenofNine> He's just a power tripper. [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> He still humiliates and ridicules students, even as DADA professor. [20:09] <Aislinn> exactly expie [20:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> Excellent point expie... really like thta [20:09] <Expelliarmas> Even when he taught DADA, he was still angry and resentful [20:09] <hrh7> DD wanted Snape there for his own reasons not for his teaching ability [20:09] <phoenix42> yet at the same time, then did okay on their owls even with his poor teaching. so they picked up something, even if it's just following directions, especially when not intimidated [20:09] <Expelliarmas> DD would never make someone teach who did not want to do it [20:09] <Expelliarmas> LV, on the other hand, would [20:10] <MrMcGonagall> He's the sort of person who's extremely knowledgeable about many subjects, but is not good at communicating material [20:10] <fawkes28> but what else was he to do? [20:10] <Aislinn> which they could have gotten from the "recipes" in the books, phoenix [20:10] <moody> snape is sad and he maybe takes it out on his student, everything that happened to him he prob sees harry as the reason for it all! [20:10] <fawkes28> he was like a child - throwing a tantrum because he couldn't have something [20:10] <cbm> agreed fawkes, what else would he do? [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> his ability as a teacher does not depend opn his loyalty, or lack of it [20:10] <Expelliarmas> or simply by having Hermione tutor them [20:10] <fawkes28> he was reverting backwards on the developmental scale [20:10] <hrh7> I think Snape wanted to teach he just wasn't good at it. [20:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> nicely put Prongs [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think he has ever wanted to teach [20:10] <cbm> But he should be an adult by now, I think he should be able to get past his teenage years [20:11] <moody> yep cbm [20:11] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> hi molly [20:11] <mollywobbles23> hi! [20:11] <moody> hi moll [20:11] <ProngsPatronus> lol--and how many people do we see in real life that still glory in their high school days? [20:11] <hrh7> Teaching gave him the chance to be in charge and boss people around. [20:11] <fawkes28> well, some people have developmental delays, which obviously interfere with his teaching ability [20:11] <ProngsPatronus> snape is just that [20:11] <phoenix42> when you have been developmentally stunted, which I think Snape has been, it's hard to be where you should be as an adult [20:11] <PrincessPickledOnion> Apart from being a spy maybe his position as head of slytherin, head of potions or DADA was just a fascade - like Voldie's ambitions when he applied to teach [20:11] <moody> sirius [20:11] <MimirTheOdd> Would you be able to get past your teenage years if you were reminded of an act that caused you to betray the most evil wizard in the world? [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> teaching at Hogwarts gave Snape cover [20:11] <Expelliarmas> What do you consider to be Snape’s worst fault as a teacher? [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> from both sides [20:11] <MimirTheOdd> I mean, Snape had to be just barely out of his teens when he became a DE [20:11] <SevenofNine> Yes DD [20:12] <mollywobbles23> He's biased. [20:12] <Tanaqui> favoritism [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> he's abusive [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> gee--where do I begin... [20:12] <nympheart> the way he abuses his students [20:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> his hair. [20:12] <Sophia40> He has always been made fun of and now he has power over someone else and takes it to the extrems [20:12] <fawkes28> nastiness [20:12] <MrMcGonagall> No respect for his students or their learning process. [20:12] <SevenofNine> Yes, Tanaqui. [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> lol PP [20:12] <Expelliarmas> his lack of maturity [20:12] <nympheart> lol PP [20:12] <cbm> His sadism [20:12] <Aislinn> his vitriol [20:12] <MimirTheOdd> Oh, I like the way you think PPO [20:12] <phoenix42> his anger [20:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> loltongue [20:12] <sdcurtis> his ability to hold grudges [20:12] <SevenofNine> He was verbally abusive. [20:12] <MimirTheOdd> I gotta go with sdcurtis on this one. [20:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> thank you *takes a bow* [20:12] <Aislinn> his vindictiveness [20:12] <Tanaqui> i think that he lets draco slide by while giving harry extra homework really skews the system [20:12] <Expelliarmas> his inability to seek out a wizarding psychiatrist ... [20:12] <moody> that he cant forgive himsdelf an takes it out on harry [20:12] <mollywobbles23> whoa! that's too big a word for me, Aislinn, after such a long day. [20:12] <MimirTheOdd> The abuse wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't just petty [20:12] <wordsfrommike> him killing the Head master ? [20:12] <SevenofNine> If someone talked to me the way I give him a switch palm strike to the chin. [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> do they have those expie? [20:13] <wordsfrommike> erm i think that is a rather large fault! [20:13] <PrincessPickledOnion> Refusing to let go of the past [20:13] <fawkes28> inability to act like an adult [20:13] * cbm thinks that Snape is harvesting potions ingredients in his hair [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> LOL they need 'em [20:13] <nympheart> well, expie, we should have had him here on Patty's day [20:13] <SevenofNine> I cannot type, sorry [20:13] *** herro has quit [Bye] [20:13] <Aislinn> the fact that he was ready to poison neville's toad, and the student's, as a means to see if they learned the potions correctly, was really disturbing [20:13] <cbm> Aislinn, vindictiveness is a Great word for snape! [20:13] <Expelliarmas> he is disturbing [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> yes Aislinn it was [20:13] <SevenofNine> Yes. Emotional torture [20:13] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:13] <SevenofNine> Over powerless kids [20:13] <PrincessPickledOnion> Slimeball. [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> hey darpe [20:13] <fawkes28> hi carpe [20:13] <mugglemom4> he definately has a killers mind [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> carpe (duh) [20:14] <Expelliarmas> he derives pleasure from the pain he inflicts [20:14] <CarpeDiem> Hi all smile [20:14] *** animaguscow has quit [Bye] [20:14] <Aislinn> hi carpe smile [20:14] <fawkes28> No teacher should ever belittle students, especially on a daily basis in front of the class [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> yes, expie, and that is disturbing [20:14] <cbm> He is a 35 year old bully who likes picking on children [20:14] <Expelliarmas> he enjoys bullying Neville, that pretty much sums it up; he went from being bullied to being the bully and he enjoys it [20:14] <Aislinn> exactly, cbm [20:14] <moody> hi carpe...hey guys im gonna go now, enjoy the rest of the chat! see ya... [20:14] <SevenofNine> Something I think speaks a great deal to Snape's teaching is how well his students do when he's NOT there [20:14] *** animaguscow has joined #lounge [20:14] <fawkes28> lol - yes, bully is a good word [20:14] <hrh7> Snape cares more about his subject than his students. [20:15] <DumbleDebbie> like a bully he picks on the easiest target [20:15] <Tanaqui> right--how can anyone gain any sort of confidence when they're told how horrible they are... [20:15] <CarpeDiem> That sums it up rather well Expelliarmas [20:15] <Sophia40> But why did DD trust him if he is all these things and more........... [20:15] <SevenofNine> Hmmm, maybe Remus can bite him when there's a full moon . . . [20:15] <SevenofNine> Would serve him right [20:15] <PrincessPickledOnion> That's why he's a teacher!! He enjoys the position of power; to manipulate, install fear, dread, panic -- inflate already overlarge egos to discredit intelligent and emotionally vulnerable students... Snape's Empire.... [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> I think the thing that is most disturbing is that it seems he is still in competition with his students--therefore, he misuses his power as a teacher to ensure his superiority [20:15] <fawkes28> Snape doesn't know how to differentiate instruction - he teaches one way [20:15] <nympheart> Remus wouldn't do it [20:15] <moody> bye.... [20:15] <Expelliarmas> that's the question everyone hopes will be answered in DH, Sohpia40 [20:15] <sdcurtis> Rememver Sirius almost made that possible [20:15] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed whole-heartedly with you prongs [20:15] <phoenix42> prongs, I think that is an great point [20:15] <mollywobbles23> he reminds me of a cooperating teacher I had a little over a month ago. She made me feel inept and we were supposed to be colleagues in a lot of respects. [20:15] *** moody left #lounge [] [20:16] <Sophia40> NoNONo I can't wait LOLOLOLOLOl [20:16] <mollywobbles23> I knew exactly how the students felt. [20:16] <Expelliarmas> What do you consider to be Snape’s good qualities as a teacher? [20:16] <CarpeDiem> Fawkes I often wonder if Snape did not have a teacher like that...someone who influenced this teaching style with him. [20:16] <SevenofNine> Me, too, Molly [20:16] <MrMcGonagall> He does know his stuff. [20:16] <nympheart> he's very intelligent [20:16] <mugglemom4> he knows his material [20:16] <MimirTheOdd> Oh, snape knows his stuff. [20:16] <SevenofNine> Hmmmmm [20:16] <Expelliarmas> he knows his topic. that's pretty much it [20:16] <sdcurtis> his konwledge [20:16] <cbm> His days off [20:16] <PrincessPickledOnion> molly i sympathise - i live with certain people like that every day :| [20:16] <phoenix42> we've all had bad teachers and yet learnt something from them, even if it's not to treat people like that [20:16] <fawkes28> that is an interesting point, carpe [20:16] <Aislinn> The only thing is that he knows his material [20:16] <SevenofNine> I'm thinking . . . [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> lol cbm [20:16] <nympheart> lol cbm [20:16] <SevenofNine> I'll find something . . . . [20:16] <sdcurtis> lol cbm [20:16] <MimirTheOdd> I mean, making the Wolfsbane potion PERFECTLY. That's got to be a complex gig. [20:16] <SevenofNine> Hmmmm [20:16] <Expelliarmas> lol, cbm [20:16] <fawkes28> his intelligence - academic [20:16] *** BrettMac has quit [Bye] [20:16] <PrincessPickledOnion> HA! GOOD POINTS.... shall we all take a coffee break? [20:16] <Punky> If he could apply his knowledge right he'd be a good teacher potentially [20:16] <Joyhawk2121> he has knowlege [20:17] <SevenofNine> Nope, sorry. Any "teaching" he did was purely accidental. [20:17] <mollywobbles23> yeah, he knows what he's doing and he expects the best...it's only what he does/says when he doesn't get the best is what makes him bad. [20:17] <HPTheoretician> Snape knows a lot of other topics... it's just that he was desperate to get back into Hogwarts and prove a point that he would stick with any old subject. [20:17] <phoenix42> highly intelligent people often have trouble communicating it to others. they just don't get not everyone picks up on things quickly [20:17] <Expelliarmas> No one ever said he was stupid--just an immature jerk [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> but the Wolfsbane had nothing to do with teaching [20:17] <mollywobbles23> He doesn't teach to the middle. [20:17] * nympheart needs more chocolate for this question [20:17] <cbm> He knows his stuff, but never gives the students that knowledge [20:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> wohoo go seven... go seven... defo. agree totally [20:17] <MimirTheOdd> Oh no, but it is a good example of him knowing his stuff [20:17] <ProngsPatronus> I think he takes pride in his workamnship [20:17] <Tanaqui> good qualities...ummm.....the only thing i can think of has been said: he knows his stuff [20:17] <SevenofNine> But that doesn't make him a good teacher as far as teaching goes. [20:17] *** Sophia40 has quit [Bye] [20:17] <fawkes28> yes, he does take pride in his work [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> he's not dead... although maybe that would improve him wink [20:18] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:18] <PrincessPickledOnion> lol Dumble [20:18] <Expelliarmas> Do you think there is any change in Snape when he realizes his dream of teaching Defense Against the Dark Arts? Is he better or worse as a teacher? [20:18] <cbm> the HBP book is a good example of knowing his stuff and the students are never given that info, so it does not matter that he knows his stuff [20:18] <Aislinn> it's a shame really, as he is gifted in potions, and could probably really help the students to excel, but that would mean thinking of someone besides himself [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> *his* work, not his students' though [20:18] <nympheart> he can hold his class's attention... [20:18] <SevenofNine> I good teacher is one who ends up with successful students. [20:18] <Aislinn> and that is not something that he is able/willing to do [20:18] <mollywobbles23> He's the same, really. [20:18] <CarpeDiem> Snape has, unbeknownst to Harry, taught Harry many things. Many of the lessons are how NOT to do something. However, there is the example of wordless magic all through HBP...significantly at the end. I have a feeling it will be important in DH [20:18] <Expelliarmas> he's worse! [20:18] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yet another excellent point Aislinn [20:18] <mugglemom4> He does provide them with the potions they need to know, even if he doesn't teach it well [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> He may be happier, but I don't think it's reflected by any change in his style. [20:18] <SevenofNine> Didn't sound like it, Exp, though we didn't see much of his classes [20:18] <fawkes28> me too, carpe [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> Snape rolls the same way he did before. [20:19] <cbm> He is the same, almost down to the speech the first time he is teaching Harry the subject [20:19] <fawkes28> lol [20:19] <Aislinn> yes, carpe, it does look like wandless magic will be important [20:19] <Tanaqui> considering he's been lusting after this position for years, you'd think he'd have some great lessons ready to go...but he still uses scare tactics [20:19] <SevenofNine> He didnt' seem happier, MrMcG [20:19] <Expelliarmas> he loves DADA and yet the teaching methods did not improve [20:19] <CarpeDiem> I agree with that Mr.M [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> Lockhart and Umbridge inadvertantly taught Harry things too [20:19] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think the word "happy" can be applied to Snape [20:19] <Expelliarmas> the only good thing was that Neville was out from under [20:19] * cbm wonders if we have ever seen snape happy [20:19] <phoenix42> I don't think he'll be happy until v is defeated [20:19] <PrincessPickledOnion> we dont really see alot of snape's lessons do we in fairness.... as a DADA teacher [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> he's still on his big power trip in DADA [20:19] <fawkes28> i think that Snape was just distracted that year - he had been helping Dumbledore [20:19] <SevenofNine> Yes, when he thought he had Sirius [20:19] <CarpeDiem> Perhaps not happier but he was certainly "in his element"...Hermione pointed it out, didn't she? [20:19] * ProngsPatronus doesn't ever want to be around if Snape gets happy cold [20:20] <Expelliarmas> he'd been helping LV, yes, he might have been distracted [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> lol Prongs [20:20] <nympheart> yes, cbm, when he caught Harry after the Mrs. Norris incident in CoS and thought Harry would be expelled [20:20] <Aislinn> lol [20:20] <SevenofNine> :lol Scary thought Prongs [20:20] <MrMcGonagall> I agree prongs. [20:20] <mollywobbles23> Snape doesn't actually teach if you think about it. He says: do this and doesn't tell them how to do it or show them how to do it first. I'm all for hands on stuff, but to me, he seems like a busy work kind of teacher. [20:20] <cbm> It will be a cold snowy day in April [20:20] <wordsfrommike> I LOVE SNAPE [20:20] <fawkes28> no, no expie [20:20] <wordsfrommike> HIS IS A GOOD GUY [20:20] <wordsfrommike> JUST BITTER [20:20] <SevenofNine> That was earlier this week, cbm [20:20] <Aislinn> wordsfrommike: - no caps, please [20:20] <Joyhawk2121> he's a showoff too [20:20] <cbm> I know [20:20] <wordsfrommike> sorry ! [20:20] <wordsfrommike> =[ [20:20] *** herro has joined #lounge [20:20] <SevenofNine> I can't call him a "good" guy mike [20:21] <mollywobbles23> cbm, if only you knew how cold it's been here lately. [20:21] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> wb herro [20:21] <hplver> Snape emphasized details in his teaching. Can't do everything carelessly. Good lesson when facing the Dark lord. [20:21] <sdcurtis> I hate it when a teacher says to do something and then dosn't explain how to do it [20:21] <wordsfrommike> he is [20:21] <herro> whos on the clock now? [20:21] <SevenofNine> Even if he ends up being DD's man [20:21] <phoenix42> cbm more snow coming in april [20:21] <wordsfrommike> anyone DD trusts can't be bad [20:21] <Aislinn> me too sdcurtis [20:21] <wordsfrommike> look at it from an other point of few [20:21] <Expelliarmas> moving on ... Slughorn is the once-and-present Potions master, and represents Slytherin House at the end of HBP. What Slytherin qualities does Slughorn exhibit? [20:21] <cbm> I know, maybe Snape is happy this month [20:21] <wordsfrommike> harry hated him as soon as [20:21] <hrh7> Even if you think Snape is good, it's hard to say he is a good teacher. [20:21] <SevenofNine> I disagree. [20:21] <MrMcGonagall> Slughorn is definitely all about himself [20:21] <MimirTheOdd> Ahhh... self motivated. [20:21] <nympheart> he likes to control [20:21] <phoenix42> slughorn is out to be with powerful people [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> saves his own behind first and foremost [20:21] <mollywobbles23> Ambition, though his is a more vicarious ambition. [20:22] <sdcurtis> "I scratch your back you scratch mine" [20:22] <MimirTheOdd> He's a good example of how slytherins aren't necessarily evil, just selfish. [20:22] <SevenofNine> Sluggy is at least very encouraging--unless you are invisible to him. [20:22] <PrincessPickledOnion> Collector... only interested in people if they can give something back. [20:22] <fawkes28> he is definitely in it to show off [20:22] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [20:22] <Joyhawk2121> I agree Phoenix42 [20:22] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> Slughorn likes to be connected--and have indebted to him---powerful people [20:22] <mollywobbles23> I kinda like Slughorn; he amuses me. [20:22] <CarpeDiem> Slughorn surrounds himself with the best, so as to get a bit of the fame himself. [20:22] <herro> wb debbie [20:22] <phoenix42> slughorn probably could help people he likes succeed [20:22] <Tanaqui> mimir makes a good point--most slytherins we've seen we equate with evil [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> thanks herro [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> he uses his Potions class as a sort of "future famous filk" farm [20:22] <Expelliarmas> he loves to exercise influence, he is clever [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> folk, even [20:22] <CarpeDiem> Princess...that describes him well. "Collector" [20:22] <PrincessPickledOnion> Is it Phineas who tells harry that the slytherins arent stupid they run to save their own skins? That's slughorn - he faked his own murder :| how sad a guy is that. [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> lol prongs [20:23] <animaguscow> he has ambition to get what he wants [20:23] <SevenofNine> I like that Prongs [20:23] <phoenix42> did he do anything different in teaching or just give directions too. I can't remember [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> he's sly [20:23] <MimirTheOdd> And isn't afraid to use others to do it. [20:23] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks carpediem biggrin [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> and he's intelligent [20:23] <fawkes28> he is a smart man - although i do not think he is as gifted in the subject matter as snape [20:23] <herro> slughorn uses other ppl to get him more famous but its a smart idea if you think about it he gets all the best stuff for free [20:23] <ProngsPatronus> he was a much better Potions teacher than Snape [20:23] <SevenofNine> I like to think he may find there's more strength in him than he realizes [20:23] <Aislinn> I agree prongs [20:23] <Expelliarmas> He will preserve his skin; he prefers not to fight LV openly (can't blame him for that) [20:23] <nympheart> he has his own individual style [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> that'd be cool 7 [20:23] <SevenofNine> Definitely Prong [20:23] <Joyhawk2121> I think he likes a persons status [20:24] <SevenofNine> He's the only adult who knows about the horcruxes [20:24] <fawkes28> but we really didnt see sluggy doing much teaching - harry always had that book in front of him [20:24] <mollywobbles23> Slughorn is a much better teacher, though, in the way he speaks to students. Though, he still shows a little favoritism, this time towards Harry. [20:24] <phoenix42> he knows how to play the system and that is a good thing [20:24] <MimirTheOdd> Fawkes, he's the only one we *know* has knowledge of horcruxes [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> interesting point 7 [20:24] <Expelliarmas> avoiding LV and the DEs is actually rather smart [20:24] <nympheart> Snape, LV, Lucius...and Slughorn have their own distinct ways of doing things [20:25] <SevenofNine> And avoiding DD while he was at it, Exp [20:25] <phoenix42> it's almost like draco and harry's positions were reversed in potions with slughorn and snape. remember how draco kept trying to get slughorns attention [20:25] <CarpeDiem> Yes, Expel, he must be rather tallented in that sense...saving his own skin. [20:25] <MrMcGonagall> he's definitely about self-interest and preservation. [20:25] <PrincessPickledOnion> and yet he is unlike the evil, dark characteristics perhaps we see portrayed through Snape, malfoy and the rest of them. [20:25] <fawkes28> but i am talking about in the classroom - we could know him better as a teacher [20:25] <Expelliarmas> well, DD knew about horcruxes as well; but only Slughorn was silly enough to tell Riddle about it [20:25] <SevenofNine> Yes, Princess. [20:25] <mollywobbles23> I'd avoid them too, frankly. I don't think I'd go to such great links as he did. [20:25] <SevenofNine> Sluggy [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> I think he was a good teacher [20:25] <SevenofNine> 's weaknesses seem rather trivial in comparison [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> I think 7 meant he knows about Voldy's horcruxes [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> specifically [20:25] <Tanaqui> gotta go--good chat, folks! [20:25] *** Tanaqui left #lounge [] [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> bye tanaqui [20:26] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks - i agree with you too seven (like your name btw - character is fab!) [20:26] <SevenofNine> Even though he didn't think Ron was going to go anywhere and didn't remember his name, he still seemed fair in class. [20:26] <SevenofNine> Bye tanqui [20:26] <ProngsPatronus> yes--he knows about the Horcruxes--but no one goes to the length of modifying a memory like that if he didn't feel shame [20:26] <MimirTheOdd> Oh, if he doesn't have an idea of what Voldemort did after he survived the initial AK, he's clueless. [20:26] <Expelliarmas> at least he felt shame [20:26] <PrincessPickledOnion> true/ [20:26] <fawkes28> well - teachers should know their students name [20:26] <phoenix42> at least with snape and slughorn you knew where you stood with them [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> definitely prongs [20:26] <ProngsPatronus> and that is more than I can say for the former holder of the position [20:26] <SevenofNine> And feeling shame is a good thing [20:26] <fawkes28> so that is a strike against him in my book [20:26] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed fawkes [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> but if he knows about them, maybe he knows how to deal with them [20:26] <fawkes28> and a point for snape [20:26] <MimirTheOdd> It's an indication that he's at least not evil [20:26] <SevenofNine> I doubt LV's ever felt it. [20:26] <cbm> true, shame and he did not want to admit it [20:26] <mollywobbles23> yeah, they should, fawkes. I don't feel comfortable teaching until I know everyone's name [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> shame indicates a conscience [20:27] <Expelliarmas> What do you think of the way Horace Slughorn treats his students? [20:27] <SevenofNine> But when push came to shove, Sluggy couldn't run anymore, and he made a courageour choice. [20:27] <SevenofNine> *courageous [20:27] <phoenix42> depends on which student you are [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> it's unfair [20:27] <hrh7> Favoritism is bad in a teacher even if you don't like the student he is slighting [20:27] <herro> favoritisim [20:27] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [20:27] <PrincessPickledOnion> no. i doubt he has - he only once admitted disappointment and i think that was a dramatic effect not sincere [20:27] <Aislinn> I think that he definitely has favorites, and that is a bit unfair, as was just mentioned with Ron's name [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> hi mafalda [20:27] <Expelliarmas> He loved his favorites, but he was not unkind to the others unlike some other greasy git we could name [20:27] <MimirTheOdd> Favorites yes... but I don't see that he lets it affect the grading or the classees [20:27] <Aislinn> I think he is mainly genial with them though [20:27] <CarpeDiem> There doesn't seem to be a distinct biased the way that is so apparant with Snape. [20:27] <fawkes28> i dont think he is a fair teacher [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> yes--he does pick favourites--and that is bad, regardless of the students he picks [20:28] <SevenofNine> True, but Slughorn was never shown to not give credit if someone did well. [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> Slughorn does honor merit and talent. [20:28] <Joyhawk2121> I think he should have given all his students equal attention [20:28] <Aislinn> I don't think he grades in a biased manner, fawkes [20:28] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think any more of that aspect of Slughorn than I do of snape [20:28] <fawkes28> he also is immature and selfish and only gets to know the ones he think will be important [20:28] <SevenofNine> His favoritism seemed more out of class generally [20:28] <MafaldaWeasley> hello guys [20:28] <MimirTheOdd> Oh, I'm no teacher, but I'd suspect it's impossible to teach without having your favorites. [20:28] <nympheart> they way he played was very unfair, but if he liked a student, he'd do almost anything save die for them in hopes that he'll get something in return [20:28] <fawkes28> i don't mean grades [20:28] *** mugglemom4 has quit [Bye] [20:28] <CarpeDiem> Prongs, that's a very interesting statement. [20:28] <Expelliarmas> I do think he is a fair teacher; he was willing to be impressed by his students [20:28] <MimirTheOdd> Now, the question is, does he let it affect his teaching [20:28] <PrincessPickledOnion> Its teachers like him that crave the talented and then deprive those students who have it in them deep down but never get the support or chance to flourish because of the crushing and biased views of the teacher. that is what disheartens me. [20:28] <Aislinn> yes, I agree expie [20:29] <SevenofNine> Yes, I like that turn of phrase, Exp [20:29] <mollywobbles23> that's true, Mimir. The key is not to let it show. [20:29] <MafaldaWeasley> what was the question? sorry I'm late, but I'm also lost haha [20:29] *** mugglemom4 has joined #lounge [20:29] <mollywobbles23> Sometimes that's hard. [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> wb mugglemom [20:29] <HPTheoretician> I think he had a general idea who he wanted to be impressed by though. [20:29] <Expelliarmas> repeating the question: What do you think of the way Horace Slughorn treats his students? [20:29] <mugglemom4> thanks [20:29] <phoenix42> perhaps dd told slughorn to encourage harry as harry is going to need some good potion ideas in the future [20:29] <fawkes28> No, you should not exclude the majority of students at the expense of a few [20:29] <nympheart> yes, expie, but he usually only does first impressions and if you don't make a good one, you're ignored [20:29] <MafaldaWeasley> thanks [20:29] <fawkes28> especially for your own personal benefit [20:29] <SevenofNine> Exp--inside or outside of the class? [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> I do think that, ingeneral, he treated his students much better than the former Potions Master [20:29] <SevenofNine> There was a definite difference [20:29] <Expelliarmas> I disagree, HPT. He saw Ginny on the train perform a batbogeyhex and found that impressive [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> Was he too tolerant of those who didn't merit his praise based on talent? Yes. But he was always willing to acknowledge real talent. [20:30] <cbm> Both slughorn and Snape treat their favorite better, but the way they do it is the difference [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> it seems unreasonable to think a prof will treat every student *exactly* equal, but Sluggy goes to extremes [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, cbm. [20:30] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he likes not only to impress but he likes to be threated as the discoverer of talents and future leaders [20:30] <Expelliarmas> He was willing to be impressed. [20:30] <SevenofNine> I think connections played a part in his expectations, but he was willing to see more--check out Ginny [20:30] <CarpeDiem> Good point MafaldaWeasley - I agree. [20:30] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M - he acknowledged Ginny, even though she doesn't have a famous relative [20:30] <sdcurtis> He's willing to reward his students for doing a good job ala felix felicious [20:30] <MimirTheOdd> Oh, Mafalda it's more than that.. he likes to find the good ones and USE them. [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> he was also willing for a student to excel [20:30] <Joyhawk2121> I agree Dumble [20:30] <MimirTheOdd> That's why he's quite willing to be impressed... [20:31] <phoenix42> and he didn't acknowledge draco even with knowing dracos grandfather [20:31] <fawkes28> yes, you should not treat all students exactly the same but you should still treat them fairly [20:31] <MimirTheOdd> I mean, he can get crystallized pineapple from headmasters... if he helps put them there. [20:31] <cbm> Slughorn raises his favorites up, snapes puts the ones he dislikes down, I much prefer the slughorn method [20:31] <SevenofNine> Right fawkes. [20:31] <nympheart> phoenix, that was probably because Lucius was in prison [20:31] <SevenofNine> Even if the kids don't understand that. [20:31] <Aislinn> the inequity seems to be more outside of the classroom than in it, to me [20:31] <Expelliarmas> I don't think he used his favorites; he gave them the chance to meet and get to know students who could be helpfuln the future. We call it networking. [20:31] <MimirTheOdd> But in the end, is there much difference in that CBM? [20:31] <animaguscow> unfair, but at least his bais is on talent rather than what house one is in. [20:31] <MrMcGonagall> He would have gone easy on a talentless lump like McClaggen, but that's not as bad as withholding praise from those whose merit deserves it. [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> if one of those students, which he did not favour at the first, had shown something good, I think Slughorn would have acknowledged that, and encouraged it [20:31] <SevenofNine> I agree Aislinn [20:31] <MimirTheOdd> Networking.. using... it's shades of the same thing really. [20:31] <cbm> Yes, one method is sadistic [20:31] <MafaldaWeasley> Use them? Or it was like an exchange? He helps them with contatcs and he likes to have it commented like "ah this one was recomended by Slughorn, therefore it must be a good one" and some students took advantage from that was well [20:31] <MimirTheOdd> Quid pro quo clarice. [20:32] <CarpeDiem> I saw that too Aislinn. His lessons at least seemed impartial to me. Favorites were not given any more or less informatoin, were they? [20:32] <SevenofNine> Yes. Sluggy is hardly the perfect teacher. [20:32] <MafaldaWeasley> yes PP, I agree [20:32] <MimirTheOdd> He's always got an angle [20:32] <Aislinn> but again, this is out of the classroom [20:32] <SevenofNine> But he's such an improvement over Snape, perhaps we're willing to overlook some of his flaws [20:32] <Expelliarmas> I disagree Mimir. Giving kids the chance to get to know others outside their own sphere is no different than what we do when we go to business parties. [20:32] <PrincessPickledOnion> very true Carpediem... fair point aislinn [20:32] <fawkes28> he completely ignores Ron and doesnt pay mind to Neville - what kind of teacher does that? This post has been edited by fawkes28: Apr 11 2007, 08:46 PM |
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[20:32] <fawkes28> he completely ignores Ron and doesnt pay mind to Neville - what kind of teacher does that?
[20:32] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [20:32] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [20:32] *** SevenofNine left #lounge [] [20:32] <mollywobbles23> The key to good teaching is to reward effort, not just outcome. If you have an excellent student, you should praise them, but also pushe them to do even better, otherwise they'll become stagnant. With lower performing students, you should congratulate them on a good effort and help them improve. [20:32] <PrincessPickledOnion> wb aislinn [20:33] <MimirTheOdd> That could explain why I hate business parties.... [20:33] <Expelliarmas> No, capre, everyone was given the same information and could ask questions [20:33] <ProngsPatronus> at least he didn't humiliate neville and terrorise him, though [20:33] <Expelliarmas> *carpe [20:33] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [20:33] <CarpeDiem> fawkes, I have a feeling Neville prefers it that way smile [20:33] <Aislinn> I think he was pretty even handed in class [20:33] <phoenix42> learning to play the game is part of being succesful [20:33] <PrincessPickledOnion> possibly because neville is no longer in potions? [20:33] <Aislinn> He was looking for anyone to achieve [20:33] <Expelliarmas> he didn't pick on Ron, even though Ron had very little success in class [20:33] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, I just think he didn't saw any talent on Neville and Ron for potions [20:33] <PrincessPickledOnion> but i agree he doesnt single out and torture like snape [20:33] <SevenofNine> Right, Exp [20:33] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:34] <sdcurtis> One thing that was very noticeable was that he didn't favour Draco [20:34] <PrincessPickledOnion> wb fawkes [20:34] <Expelliarmas> He wasn't unkind to Draco either and he wasn't impressive in class either; a real letdown for Draco, I'm sure [20:34] <herro> i like sluggy but i have to go have fun everyone [20:34] <SevenofNine> I think Neville would have done well with Slughorn as teacher, even before his MoM experiences [20:34] <Aislinn> bye herro [20:34] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [20:34] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [20:34] <ProngsPatronus> yes--he didn't have much to do with Draco, did he--despite Draco's connections and blood status [20:34] <MimirTheOdd> So what's interesting there is it's obvious that Ron had some talent... you don't get an OWL from Snape without it if you're not Draco [20:34] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Seven [20:34] <PrincessPickledOnion> can we hold taht in esteem tho? Or is it based on the fact lucius is in prison? [20:34] <Aislinn> I think he would have also - it's a shame he didn't get the chance [20:34] <MimirTheOdd> Or only results? [20:35] <SevenofNine> Well, Neville did get an OWL, which I love. [20:35] *** herro has quit [Bye] [20:35] <SevenofNine> Just not high enough to continue [20:35] <Expelliarmas> the OWLs though were awarded by the examiners, not Snape [20:35] <SevenofNine> I think Neville might have been able to under Slughorn [20:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes good point seven [20:35] <CarpeDiem> I agree Seven, he does well when he is not made example of. When he is given time and attention to learn he excells. Different learning sytles, just like different teaching styles [20:35] <MimirTheOdd> Ah. [20:35] <Expelliarmas> We never meet the poor, maimed Professor Kettleburn. Is Hagrid a competent Care of Magical Creatures Teacher, or would the students be better off with someone like Professor Grubbly-Plank? [20:35] <MimirTheOdd> Yep, that'd pop my little theory... Thanks Seven... :P~ [20:35] <Aislinn> erm..... [20:35] <MimirTheOdd> Competent? [20:35] <MimirTheOdd> Yes. [20:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> ummmmm..... [20:35] <MimirTheOdd> Teacher of the year? [20:36] <MimirTheOdd> Blast ended skrewts. [20:36] <fawkes28> i love hagrid, but as a teacher - he needs a lot of confidence [20:36] <MimirTheOdd> Just saying. [20:36] <SevenofNine> Hagrid certainly knows his stuff. [20:36] <SevenofNine> Perhaps too well. [20:36] <Expelliarmas> Hagrid loves his subject, but he has that whole monster fixation thing [20:36] <fawkes28> i think a few education classes would do him well [20:36] <nympheart> but he needs to tone it down a bit and work his class to the hard stuff, rather than starting there [20:36] <PrincessPickledOnion> grade and future prospect wise and health wise when you consider the skrewts yes. But we love hagrid sad [20:36] <phoenix42> i find it interesting that we make someone a teacher who didn't even complete his schooling [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> gotta run, take care folks [20:36] <SevenofNine> Grubbly-Plank is an excellent teacher. [20:36] <SevenofNine> Bye DD [20:36] <Expelliarmas> bye dd [20:36] <PrincessPickledOnion> bye dumble xxxxxxxxx [20:36] <Punky> Hagrid brings a passion to his job [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, with encouragement and some experience, Hagrid would make a decent teacher [20:36] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Hagrid has the knowledge, but his lack of confidence may interfere [20:36] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [20:36] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [20:36] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [20:36] <Joyhawk2121> I agress Punky [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> Hagrid would do better with more organization, rather than studying whatever critter has captured his fancy at the moment. [20:36] <SevenofNine> But I think that with a bit of hellp and more guidance in his material, Hagrid could too [20:37] <CarpeDiem> Hagrid's love of the subject certianly shines through. It's not enough to be a truly "good" teacher though. [20:37] <Aislinn> he is very competent at the skill of caring for magical creatures, and actually does ok in teaching the subject, but his choice of creatures is faulty [20:37] <fawkes28> i think Grubblu-Plank did a very nice job - although i didnt like how she isolated the boys [20:37] <nympheart> i think the fact that no one wanted to join a NEWTs class says something [20:37] *** hhight has joined #lounge [20:37] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Aislinn [20:37] <mollywobbles23> Yeah, she is. Hagrid's heart is in the right place, he just needs more experience. I wonder what he taught the sixth years? [20:37] <Expelliarmas> she only isolated the boys when they did the unicorn class [20:37] <Aislinn> he did fine with continuing the lessons on the unicorns after Grubbly-Plank [20:37] <SevenofNine> Well, no one from Gryffindor. [20:37] <MimirTheOdd> But does it say something about the utility of the class, or Hagrid? [20:37] <SevenofNine> Do we really know that no one continued through? [20:37] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think Hagrid quite has an appreciation for the acdemic side of his subject. [20:37] <PrincessPickledOnion> uh if there were any 6 yrs left sad [20:37] <hrh7> Hagrid knows his stuff but not much about teaching. Is there a wizard school for teachers? [20:37] <SevenofNine> laugh [20:37] <Aislinn> and he had interesting lessons with the fire lizards and the knifflers [20:37] <nympheart> Luna said the Ravenclaws didn't like him, and the Slytherin's crtainly didn't [20:38] <mollywobbles23> I don't think so, hrh7 [20:38] <fawkes28> hagrid has a hard time teaching things he does not like - he needs to work on that [20:38] <CarpeDiem> Very nicely put, Mr.M. He knows his stuff, just isn't the best at passing on that knowledge all the time. [20:38] <MafaldaWeasley> well, he is not very objective sometimes [20:38] <MimirTheOdd> The Slytherins wouldn't... Ravenclaws though... that's odd. [20:38] <SevenofNine> But if someone was interested in the subject, they would continue with it [20:38] <PrincessPickledOnion> poor hagrid. i feel like hermione - faithful to H but wanting a proper non-extreme lesson!# [20:38] *** MrMcGonagall has quit [Bye] [20:38] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [20:38] <sdcurtis> well they have to have a standered list of beasts for each year [20:38] <SevenofNine> There jusst wasn't anyone in Gryffindor [20:38] <ProngsPatronus> Grubbly-Plank was a competant teacher, as well [20:38] <MimirTheOdd> True seven.. but we've all been there... only 7 periods in school, 8 classes you want to take... [20:38] <SevenofNine> So where do blast ended skrewts come in? [20:38] <ProngsPatronus> I just wish they were not in competition [20:39] <Expelliarmas> the Ravenclaws may be a little snobby when it comes to teachers; Hagrid isn't the most educated of people [20:39] <SevenofNine> Who, Prongs? [20:39] <MimirTheOdd> Just as an example of his sometimes questionable decisions [20:39] <SevenofNine> The two teachers? [20:39] <MimirTheOdd> 'es not? [20:39] <Aislinn> the blast ended skrewts showed really poor judgement [20:39] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed [20:39] <SevenofNine> Very poor judgement. [20:39] <hhight> he thought they were ok [20:39] <PrincessPickledOnion> cant put enough emphasis on the very poor i dont think [20:39] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, nothing like a new, unheard of breed of creature to study in class. [20:39] <mollywobbles23> yeah, teachers should always think of the safety of their students. [20:39] <hhight> just like he thinks dragons are cute [20:40] <MafaldaWeasley> I could have used those to loose a bit of my weight, eh? If I had to take them out ... [20:40] <CarpeDiem> Hagrid thinks that everyone has the same fascination with beasts that he does...including the attraction to the more dangerous variety. [20:40] <SevenofNine> Well, Hogwarts is a bit different as far as safety goes. [20:40] <MimirTheOdd> I mean, wizards bounce. [20:40] <SevenofNine> Just going to school seems dangerous [20:40] <Aislinn> since he had just cross bred them, he didn't even know how to care for them, so what exactly was he teaching, besides the fact that he was risking everyone's lives [20:40] <SevenofNine> Riding on brooms [20:40] <PrincessPickledOnion> yerp 7 [20:40] *** Dvmby has joined #lounge [20:40] <SevenofNine> Right, Aislinn [20:40] <phoenix42> he does know how to take care of animals and creatures though. i think he could answer any question about a creature [20:40] <Aislinn> right, seven, you can't judge the danger level according to our sensibilities [20:41] <Aislinn> I agree, phoenix, he is very skilled as a caretaker of animals [20:41] <Expelliarmas> well, in fairness, learning about hypogryffs turned out to be rather handy; Hagrid told the students what to do--but Draco did the opposite [20:41] <CarpeDiem> The skrewts started out relatively harmless though, didn't they? Maybe that was his mistake. [20:41] <SevenofNine> But Hagrid did manage to take it a bit farther, and I think his giant part helps with that. [20:41] <nympheart> magic is dangerous, but then there's unnecessary danger and Hagrid crosses the line more frequently than he should [20:41] <MimirTheOdd> I think it comes down to "yes, he's a good teacher", but it's rather like the 4h club here in the states. [20:41] <Aislinn> he just needs someone else to decide which creatures he should be teaching about [20:41] <mollywobbles23> Yeah, Hagrid does know how to handle all sorts of creatures. [20:41] <SevenofNine> He was bigger and stronger and seemed to forget that no everyone was like him [20:41] <MimirTheOdd> Not everyone's interested in breeding whatever suffices as a wizard version of a pig [20:41] *** Dvmby has quit [Bye] [20:41] <SevenofNine> 4th club? [20:41] <PrincessPickledOnion> the thestral lessons were useful too [20:42] <phoenix42> he was willing to experiment but probably not at the expense of his students. they were learning with him [20:42] <SevenofNine> Yes, Princess [20:42] <mollywobbles23> I wonder if Hagrid went to DD for advice about teaching? [20:42] *** mugglemom4 has quit [Bye] [20:42] <Aislinn> very useful, PrincessPickledOnion [20:42] <Expelliarmas> given that Prof. Kettleburn retired to spend time with his *remaining limbs*, we have to figure that dangerous critters are a part of the curriculm. [20:42] <PrincessPickledOnion> yerp hee hee [20:42] <MimirTheOdd> That's true. [20:42] <SevenofNine> Yes, Exp. Excellent point. [20:42] <Aislinn> I agree expie [20:42] <nympheart> but probably not for third and fourth years [20:42] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Expie [20:42] <MimirTheOdd> Curiously, Hagrid still has all his. [20:42] <SevenofNine> That really made me laught when I read that [20:43] *** hhight left #lounge [] [20:43] <PrincessPickledOnion> i agree 7 [20:43] <MimirTheOdd> P'raps being large and stun resistant is a job requirement? [20:43] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes! [20:43] <Expelliarmas> Sybill Trelawney doesn’t have the respect of most of her students, and even most of the staff. Is this motivated by skepticism of her abilities or of her subject? [20:43] <Aislinn> it certainly helps laugh [20:43] <CarpeDiem> It certianly doesn't hurt at all [20:43] <MimirTheOdd> Both. [20:43] <ProngsPatronus> I think Hogwarts is lucky to have Hagrid there [20:43] <Aislinn> I think it is a combination of both [20:43] <mollywobbles23> both [20:43] <SevenofNine> I think that's a part of it, Exp [20:43] <sdcurtis> I think it may be both [20:43] <PrincessPickledOnion> both [20:43] <phoenix42> i think a little of both with sybil [20:43] <MrMcGonagall> I think both. [20:43] <MimirTheOdd> I mean, prophecy's an odd business even according to the Centaurs. [20:43] <Expelliarmas> *most*? [20:43] <nympheart> i think mostly the subject, but it's not a secret that her every day predictions don't come true [20:44] <SevenofNine> What's funny about Sybil is that she's trying to teach the students things that most people can't do anyway. [20:44] <MimirTheOdd> Not all prophecys are fulfilled.. either Bane or Firenze said that. [20:44] <Expelliarmas> it's both her abilities and her subject which are in doubt [20:44] <ProngsPatronus> I think that trelawney's manner does not endear the other teachers to her, either [20:44] <SevenofNine> Who don't have the "inner eye" [20:44] <phoenix42> it's a difficult subject because of all the gray areas, no absolutes [20:44] <MafaldaWeasley> I think as her gift is something she cannot control or have memories of, it is very difficult for others to respect her. I don't think divination can be taught, especially if you cannot remember things after [20:44] <SevenofNine> Yes, phoenix [20:44] <hrh7> Both, but all her dramatics don't help. [20:44] * Expelliarmas consults her Inner Eye and sees ... not a lot [20:44] <fawkes28> i think she fears not living up to her family which causes her to not have great abilities - she lacks confidence big time [20:44] <Aislinn> lol [20:44] <PrincessPickledOnion> Ah now i'm interested.... does everyone think she's a fake? Or have any of you noticed most of her little fly-away predictions eventually come true? [20:44] <SevenofNine> And it's not something you can teach, Mafalda [20:44] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I think it's both. To start with the subject is a bit flimsey, then add to it a teacher who does not seem to have the ability in the subject she was teaching about...it adds quite a bit of discredit for Trewlany. [20:45] <Aislinn> i think many of them do, PrincessPickledOnion [20:45] <Expelliarmas> She's not a fake; but she's too wrapped up in the show [20:45] <phoenix42> she too is trying to proove herself and her subject as being important just like hagrid [20:45] <SevenofNine> But at least she doesn't do any harm [20:45] <Expelliarmas> she strikes me as the kind of chick you'd find at a carnival [20:45] <fawkes28> she is trying too hard [20:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> i like the phrasing of that Expie!! [20:45] <Aislinn> but not the ones she makes deliberately [20:45] <SevenofNine> *gigglesnort* [20:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> Literal and metaphorically 'wrapped' in the show :d [20:45] <MimirTheOdd> Yeah, but she's sometimes right./ [20:45] <SevenofNine> Toothless Carnie Sybil [20:45] <MrMcGonagall> LOL, seven [20:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1174945 [20:45] <phoenix42> many of the things she says you could make fit somehow [20:46] <hrh7> She doesn't seem to know when she makes a real prediction. [20:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks Aislinn btw on the predicitons coming true... thought i was the only one lol [20:46] *** sdcurtis has quit [Bye] [20:46] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she likes to keep the "aura" but her trully predictions she doesn't believe [20:46] <SevenofNine> She seems to like the "mystery" [20:46] <Expelliarmas> Trelawney sometimes snaps out of her “airy-fairy” manner and can be quite sharp. Would she be a better Divination professor if she dropped the act and kept it real? [20:46] <Aislinn> you're not alone, princess! [20:46] <fawkes28> oh, yes - big time [20:46] <CarpeDiem> I think she's so used to pretending that it's no longer an act to her. [20:46] <nympheart> yes, she tries too hard to get her subject across and it backfires [20:46] <Aislinn> yes, i think it would help a lot [20:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> lol no i hope not! tee hee [20:46] <mollywobbles23> I liken Divination to playing a musical instrument: some people have an innate talent, but those who don't still gain an understanding of the process and the skill involved...though there's not much skill involved with Div. [20:46] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [20:46] <phoenix42> i also like when she is shocked when harry tells her what she said, it's almost like giving herself away. I would never predict something like that or something to that is what she said [20:47] <SevenofNine> Yes, I think it would. [20:47] <mollywobbles23> yes [20:47] <Aislinn> that's an excellent point, carpe [20:47] <fawkes28> she is wasting her time with the show of it all - she would do better if she was herself rather than pretending to be someone else [20:47] <PrincessPickledOnion> She reminds me amusingly of McG. when she's snappy [20:47] <Expelliarmas> she plays at the "aura" if she dropped the show, she might see more [20:47] <SevenofNine> She's like Snape. Drama Queens both [20:47] <animaguscow> she is fraud or very near sided on her daily predictions [20:47] <MimirTheOdd> Oy. [20:47] <MrMcGonagall> I think people would take her more seriously. [20:47] <MimirTheOdd> There's a 'ship that's enough to keep me up at night. [20:47] <MrMcGonagall> At the very least [20:47] <fawkes28> i think so too, Mr. M [20:47] <SevenofNine> Very much so MrMcG [20:47] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Expie [20:47] <MimirTheOdd> Snape and Trelawney.. greasy, bushy haired crazies. [20:47] <SevenofNine> :lol Mimir [20:47] <MimirTheOdd> *shudder8 [20:47] <Expelliarmas> somehow, her Cassandra Trelawney doesn't strike me as someone who was putting on a show [20:47] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:48] <SevenofNine> Well, the mythological Cassandra wasn't believe either [20:48] <hrh7> When she told Harry about Wormtail she didn't know what she said. But that came true. [20:48] <mollywobbles23> yeah, I think Cassandra was the real deal. [20:48] *** Punky has joined #lounge [20:48] <nympheart> Cassandra was down to earth enough to write a book [20:48] <phoenix42> anyone can write a book [20:48] <Expelliarmas> Sybil overcompensates by putting on a show; Sybil is the real deal, but she's so wrapped up in giving the impression of it, she doesn't see she is the real deal [20:48] <nympheart> it seems instructional though [20:48] <phoenix42> doesn't mean its a good book [20:48] <SevenofNine> Well, there are some students who did well enough, and really connected with Sybil [20:48] <PrincessPickledOnion> i'm ignoring that. [20:48] <CarpeDiem> That would be interesting to see...maybe Trelany learned how to "act" like a seer from Cassandra? [20:48] <PrincessPickledOnion> not everyone can. [20:48] <mollywobbles23> That's why Sybil has occasional moments of clarity with her "inner eye." [20:48] <SevenofNine> She wasn't quite as isolated as Snape [20:48] <Expelliarmas> Sybil's biggest problem is a lack of confidence [20:49] <SevenofNine> But I think Ron's abilities at predicting things are as good as Sybil's [20:49] <nympheart> yes, expie, she keeps trying to prove to herself that she can See [20:49] <MafaldaWeasley> is she always drunk when she does real predictions? [20:49] <PrincessPickledOnion> really 7? [20:49] <PrincessPickledOnion> maybe *giggles* [20:49] <CarpeDiem> Seven...I like Ron's better...they tend to be more humerous smile [20:49] <SevenofNine> Accidental predictions. [20:49] <nympheart> I don't think she was drunk for the second one [20:49] <Expelliarmas> she wasn't drunk when she was with DD, Mafalda [20:49] <SevenofNine> Like Tom Riddle killing Myrtle [20:49] <mollywobbles23> no, she would be a fool to be drunk during an interview. [20:49] <hrh7> What is the point of teaching a class when you have to have the "gift" to be successful? [20:50] <nympheart> she may have been expie, she was staying in a bar [20:50] <MimirTheOdd> I think she suffers from a delusion: the "inner eye" does not perform on demand as do the other classes... you can demand a student pull a plant, feed an animal, transmogrify a slug... but you can't demand a student prophesy [20:50] <SevenofNine> Exactly, hrh7 [20:50] <MafaldaWeasley> txs guys [20:50] <mollywobbles23> I think it's odd where he interviewed her. How come he didn't interview her at the school? [20:50] <CarpeDiem> Mirmi - very good point [20:50] <Expelliarmas> Dolores Umbridge, using her Ministry-approved curriculum, taught no practical magic but only defensive theory. What do you think of her approach? [20:50] <mollywobbles23> Why the Hog's Head? [20:50] <MimirTheOdd> Even if you have the inner eye, how does one do an OWL on that? [20:50] <Aislinn> abysmal [20:50] <nympheart> his brother was there, Molly [20:50] <SevenofNine> Dorlores was anti-teaching [20:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> A load of frogs doo doos [20:50] <MafaldaWeasley> A pain [20:50] <MimirTheOdd> Umbridge... the only teacher worse than snape. [20:50] <mollywobbles23> so? what does that have to do with interviewing a potential teacher? [20:50] <nympheart> boring [20:50] <Expelliarmas> I can't imagine Sybil, who was broke, showing up drunk for an interview with DD [20:50] <fawkes28> she was afraid of what harry would do to her [20:50] <MrMcGonagall> She was a dismal teacher. [20:51] <phoenix42> it's another approach not necessarily helpful [20:51] <SevenofNine> Acting like teaching was only for things that might happen in the classroom and not in real life. [20:51] <Aislinn> she did not teach at all [20:51] <fawkes28> siriusly though - she wanted to keep things in control [20:51] <SevenofNine> Better not learn to cook because you won't need to eat in class. [20:51] <Expelliarmas> Dolores didn't even teach defensive theory; she had the kids read the book. she never lectured [20:51] *** hplver has quit [Bye] [20:51] <SevenofNine> Moron [20:51] <Aislinn> telling the kids to turn to a page in a book and read that chapter is not teaching [20:51] <Punky> She was very counterproductive [20:51] <nympheart> convenience, and DD wasn't planning on hiring her and didn't have respect for her subject [20:51] <MafaldaWeasley> I can Expie, in despair...but this is another topic hehe, sorry for have brought it, I was just curious [20:51] <mollywobbles23> Maybe that's the question we should be asking: why did DD interview Trelawney at the Hog's Head instead of Hogwarts? [20:51] <CarpeDiem> I think she was a poor teacher the same way Snape is. If you don't have the ability to adjust and meet the learning needs of at least most of your students, you probably aren't doing it right. [20:51] <fawkes28> yup - they read [20:51] <MrMcGonagall> Wilbert Slinkhard. The name of the text's author says it all. [20:51] <Expelliarmas> She wasn't there to teach! She was there to spy. [20:51] *** wordsfrommike has quit [Bye] [20:51] <SevenofNine> Yes Carpe. [20:51] <phoenix42> i don't think she was there to teach, i think she was there to find out what was going on with dd and harry [20:51] <Aislinn> not right now, molly [20:51] <fawkes28> her punishments do not fit the crimes [20:52] <SevenofNine> She worked against any idea that was not her own. [20:52] <CarpeDiem> ...and DADA does not seem to be the easiest class to learn in a theoretical sense either. [20:52] <mollywobbles23> She didn't teach. She's a classic case of busy work. [20:52] <MimirTheOdd> DADA is a practical. [20:52] <PrincessPickledOnion> Useless Mundane Boring Ridiculous Ignorant Deluded Godforsaken Evil [20:52] <SevenofNine> I wonder how many wizards as a punishment would have to scar themselves [20:52] <Expelliarmas> she worked against any idea that was not Ministry approved [20:52] <CarpeDiem> Exactly mollywobbles23 [20:52] <SevenofNine> Torture themselves [20:52] <MrMcGonagall> Especially when, as Hermione pointed out, the OWLs have a practical exam. [20:52] <Expelliarmas> Umbridge had few original thoughts [20:52] <Aislinn> it is worthless as merely a theoretical "read" [20:52] <PrincessPickledOnion> thats what she was *please note each spells her name tee hee* [20:52] <MimirTheOdd> Ooh... nice extemporaneous acronym PPO [20:52] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks :P [20:53] <Aislinn> lol [20:53] <SevenofNine> She is one I hope Jo has some serious plans for [20:53] <CarpeDiem> Seve...good question! Where on earth did she get a device like that? And who would use it on a STUDENT!? [20:53] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she was just showing who was the boss and that there was not such thing as the return of LV so therefore there was no need of praticing magic in a defensive way [20:53] *** etnutter has joined #lounge [20:53] <SevenofNine> **thinks evil thoughts*** [20:53] <PrincessPickledOnion> thoughts i'd make a special point of her uselessness :@ [20:53] <Expelliarmas> What do you think of Umbridge’s manner of discipline? [20:53] <etnutter> As usual, I get here with seconds to spare! [20:53] <Aislinn> evil [20:53] <SevenofNine> Don't get me started, Experlliarmas [20:53] <nympheart> I think that has to fall under child abuse [20:53] * Expelliarmas thinks etnutter needs a dayplanner [20:53] <MimirTheOdd> Discipline barely short of what LV pulls out. [20:53] <mollywobbles23> Extreme [20:53] <SevenofNine> I was HORRIFIED [20:53] * Expelliarmas pokes 7 to get her started [20:53] <PrincessPickledOnion> nothing short of vindictive and sadistic [20:53] <Aislinn> and she seems to glory in her sadistic approach [20:53] <MafaldaWeasley> that was hideous to be nice with her [20:53] <CarpeDiem> In that sense she is worse than Snape. Physical harm? The only one who may come close to that would be Filch. [20:54] <Expelliarmas> Sadistic [20:54] <Joyhawk2121> it was Torture [20:54] <MrMcGonagall> This was truly horrific. [20:54] <SevenofNine> :lol: [20:54] <Expelliarmas> she enjoyed it [20:54] <fawkes28> she is far worse than snape [20:54] <SevenofNine> Yes. [20:54] <Expelliarmas> that's a sick chick right there [20:54] <phoenix42> i agree fawkes [20:54] <SevenofNine> And until OotP I never thought I see that. [20:54] <etnutter> Umbridge's method was disfiguring and permanant and ... wrongly applied to boot....and I have a franklin dayplanner, problem is it is full Expe [20:54] <Aislinn> I don't know that physical harm is worse than emotional, carpe, but it was horrific [20:54] <MafaldaWeasley> yes she is Fawkes, Snape at least follow the rules somehow [20:54] <SevenofNine> Someone worse than Snape [20:54] <Expelliarmas> well, I take that back. I'm not convinced the toad is, in fact, a chick [20:54] <hrh7> Agree too, fawkes. [20:54] <fawkes28> i could not believe that she actually was doing that at first - who does that to students? [20:54] <PrincessPickledOnion> I'm still trying to distinguish whether it was mental or physcial abuse and ive jst decided... it was BOTH [20:54] <MafaldaWeasley> she had the power to make them [20:54] <MimirTheOdd> Yergh... I gotta stay out of the 'shipping sites... Umbridge and snape. [20:54] <PrincessPickledOnion> hang her. [20:54] <MimirTheOdd> *runs to find mental floss* [20:54] <SevenofNine> laugh tell me more [20:54] <CarpeDiem> ..and Harry played right into her game too Expell. Didn't say a thing because he wanted to tough it out. [20:55] <SevenofNine> No, hanging's too fast for her Princess [20:55] <Aislinn> yes, PrincessPickledOnion , that is what is worst about it - it was definitely both [20:55] <phoenix42> neither did the other student who had to do lines with her [20:55] <MimirTheOdd> It's like making your kid pick out his own switch [20:55] <fawkes28> the way she rolls is messed up [20:55] <SevenofNine> I want Umbridge to turn good and be eaten by the horrible things she did [20:55] <etnutter> Umbridge did not seek to discipline, but to humiliate and ...dominate [20:55] <SevenofNine> Having to live with it [20:55] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes it horrified me like nothing else has; i was completely incensed.... just her name makes my blood boil aislinn lol [20:55] <etnutter> There was no intent on redeeming value......Anyone here ever have nuns/ [20:55] <SevenofNine> Same here. [20:55] <CarpeDiem> Ne ne no Seven, that will be saved for someone much more evil than her I think smile [20:55] <fawkes28> she liked being in control - she was a dictator [20:55] <Expelliarmas> the Toad simply is messed up; she was perfectly delighted at the thought of giving Harry a taste of Crucio [20:56] <MafaldaWeasley> I want her to become a toad and live in the sawmp and end her life being eaten by Nagini [20:56] <SevenofNine> I hope so, Carpe [20:56] <PrincessPickledOnion> The toad! lol [20:56] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:56] <SevenofNine> I want it to be thorough satisfying to see her come into her own. [20:56] <MimirTheOdd> Hm. She's kind of like Slughorn in reverse. [20:56] <MrMcGonagall> I approve of that fate, Mafalda. She'd probably make Nagini sick, and then Nagini would barf out the horcrux. [20:56] <nympheart> she doesn't even have any reasons for her actions that we know of, she's just evil to be evil [20:56] <mollywobbles23> Trevor is her long lost love [20:56] <PrincessPickledOnion> LIke Hitler but without the mustache...well....*thinks* [20:56] <MimirTheOdd> Finds the famous and/or notable kids and smacks them down [20:56] <Expelliarmas> The Toad loved its power and would not let anyone stand in the way of its advancement [20:56] <CarpeDiem> lol mollywobbles23 [20:56] <etnutter> Did anyone ever have someone remotely like her in your background.....my answer is...sure! [20:56] <MimirTheOdd> Dude. Did PPO just Godwin the chat? [20:56] <SevenofNine> Some terribly poetic justice kind of consequence. [20:56] <MafaldaWeasley> lol Molly [20:56] <nympheart> the animal rights activists are going to come after you, molly [20:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> did i wat? :S [20:57] <fawkes28> poetic justice would be great, seven [20:57] <etnutter> Hem, hhhem. [20:57] <MimirTheOdd> Sorry, don't want to digress... email me on the TLC bit and I'll splain. [20:57] <mollywobbles23> It's not my fault she's not a princess, so her kisses won't bring him back. Blame the fairy tale people. [20:57] <Aislinn> it would be - I really want to see her get her come-uppance [20:57] <MafaldaWeasley> I find very poetic being eaten by a snake [20:57] <Expelliarmas> Meanwhile, what would a chat about teachers be without: Did Gilderoy Lockhart have any virtues as a DADA professor? Did his students learn anything? [20:58] <MimirTheOdd> Or a crane. [20:58] <fawkes28> lol - malfada [20:58] <mollywobbles23> no [20:58] <SevenofNine> No, whatever it is she need to live with it for a long time. [20:58] <Expelliarmas> fashion sense, perhaps [20:58] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:58] <etnutter> Harming her in some way would not be justice, though....she must be exposed and universally REJECTED! [20:58] <Aislinn> they learned not to judge someone by their looks [20:58] <MimirTheOdd> Hmm... perhaps the value of the truth [20:58] <Joyhawk2121> lol [20:58] <MrMcGonagall> Well, the information in his books (stolen from others' experience) was valid. [20:58] <fawkes28> oh gosh - no [20:58] <nympheart> the importance of modesty...and that's it [20:58] <phoenix42> they learnt how to be full of themselves [20:58] <cbm> Or about Hair care [20:58] <mollywobbles23> yeah, true MrM [20:58] <fawkes28> they learned nothing in content that year [20:58] <SevenofNine> He's a lot like Sybil in that he can't do any of it either. [20:58] <CarpeDiem> I think they may have learned less from Lockheart than they did from Umbridge! [20:58] <Expelliarmas> celebrity is as celebrity does ... remember that [20:58] <MafaldaWeasley> Yes, he thought them that the obliviatus must have been performed with accuracy [20:58] <Aislinn> and that fame can be empty [20:58] <SevenofNine> Plus he was a theif [20:58] <SevenofNine> *thief [20:58] <MimirTheOdd> True, but he was at worst silly. [20:58] <nympheart> they were too busy laughing at Locky to take in any of that information [20:58] <MimirTheOdd> I mean, he wasn't evil, abusive, or the like [20:58] <etnutter> My brother is a prof at a Comm College - and tells me this kind of government pogrom happens with every change in administration [20:58] <Punky> They've had a lot of lessons about what not to do [20:59] <fawkes28> Harry and Ron learned how stupid he is when the wand backfired [20:59] <SevenofNine> Stealing people's actions, their memories. [20:59] <Expelliarmas> no, he was evil--to steal someone's memories is unpardonable [20:59] <phoenix42> all different kinds of wizards, people and teachers [20:59] <CarpeDiem> lol that's true Punky [20:59] <Aislinn> they have, punky, you're right [20:59] <cbm> I thinking that stealing memories is evil [20:59] <Aislinn> i agree [20:59] *** HPTheoretician has quit [Bye] [20:59] <Expelliarmas> Hermione, though, was totally fooled [20:59] <MimirTheOdd> Okay, I'll go with that Expelliarmas.. but he wasn't evil to the students. [20:59] <fawkes28> we could probably have a chat on what we have learned from him on what not to do in teaching laugh [20:59] <etnutter> more like....enamoured [20:59] <hrh7> Molly, too [20:59] <SevenofNine> Well, she learned her lesson [20:59] <CarpeDiem> Hermione caught the terrible *FANGIRL* disease...poor thing. [20:59] <phoenix42> not fooled but distracted more like [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he stole memories. I think he learned what others had did, then modified their memories so they wouldn't remember they had done them. [21:00] <etnutter> She wanted him to be what she valued not what he was [21:00] <Expelliarmas> not to the students, but he was okay with obliviating Harry and Ron's memories [21:00] <SevenofNine> Isn't that the same thing, MrMcG? [21:00] <Aislinn> that seemed so out of character for hermione - i was surprised by her reaction to Locky [21:00] <CarpeDiem> Isn't that stealing in a sense, Mr. M? [21:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> oh lord are we on gilderoy?! [21:00] <cbm> That is stealing to me, you have a memory and then it is going [21:00] <MimirTheOdd> True... didn't work out for him in the end. [21:00] <cbm> gone [21:00] <MimirTheOdd> The casting in the movies was excellent. [21:00] <SevenofNine> But I think he will help out in the end. [21:00] <etnutter> Is his life better in a way now he is honest but ....crazy? [21:00] <fawkes28> clearly stealing people's memories does not make you a good teacher [21:00] <MimirTheOdd> You think? [21:00] <SevenofNine> So perhaps something good will come from him yet. [21:00] <Expelliarmas> we're going into a 10 minute overtime--hang with us [21:00] <phoenix42> i think memory charms have been done on me, it can't be getting older that I can't remember things [21:01] <mollywobbles23> woo-hoo! overtime! [21:01] <CarpeDiem> Woo hoo! Thanks [21:01] <MrMcGonagall> Woot for overtime! [21:01] <SevenofNine> Gotta run. Bye guys! [21:01] <cbm> agreed mimir Stephen Fry sounds exactly like him [21:01] <Aislinn> bye seven [21:01] <CarpeDiem> See ya 7 [21:01] <nympheart> he put harry on the spot a lot he sucked up to Harry to try to get more spotlight, that's not nice, if not evil [21:01] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [21:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> bye 7 [21:01] <cbm> yeah for overtime [21:01] <fawkes28> yay for 10 more minutes! [21:01] <MafaldaWeasley> whaaa? for real * checks if it's not april first [21:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> yay ova time [21:01] * mollywobbles23 does that dance where your hands are clasped together and act like you're churning butter [21:01] <Expelliarmas> We don’t know much about Professor Quirrell as a Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. What were your thoughts about him in PS/SS? Was he at all competent? [21:01] <MimirTheOdd> OVertime... Heh.. who's winning? [21:01] <Aislinn> he seemed pretty worthless [21:01] <CarpeDiem> Can we discuss the 10 minutes part though? Is that negotiable? smile [21:01] <mollywobbles23> no idea [21:01] <nympheart> he was too nervous to teach anything [21:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes [21:01] <fawkes28> no confidence = no competence [21:01] <MimirTheOdd> Competent? Naah. [21:01] <Aislinn> lol carpe [21:01] <Expelliarmas> well, but for that whole LV in the back of his head thing [21:01] <mollywobbles23> didn't really see that class much did we? [21:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed with aislinn [21:01] <etnutter> He was deliberately incompetent as a cover of his real purposes [21:02] <cbm> I think he stammered to much to be a good teacher [21:02] <fawkes28> lol carpe [21:02] <MimirTheOdd> But, given that our experience was with first years, would we have a good way to assess? [21:02] <Joyhawk2121> he seemed nervous [21:02] <cbm> lag [21:02] <mollywobbles23> besides he was possessed at the time...or at least had a Voldy shaped parasite. [21:02] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [21:02] <phoenix42> actually he was able to fool a lot of people in the end [21:02] <Expelliarmas> we don't know what he was like before he took his sabbatical [21:02] <MrMcGonagall> He wasn't as useless as Umbridge or Lockhart, but he wasn't very good at all. [21:02] <nympheart> the students said they only learned from Lupin at some point [21:02] <Aislinn> i don't think he exposed the students to much that was useful to them [21:02] *** cbm has joined #lounge [21:02] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he was awful as the others and had lil voldie on smoke inside hi head...which makes him worst than everybody but Umbridge [21:02] <fawkes28> having Voldemort in your head kind of messes up one's teaching ability [21:02] <etnutter> He could only have been there for one year though....no? [21:02] <fawkes28> although he is a more book person rather than people person [21:02] <CarpeDiem> Nope, I don't recall much from Quirell's class [21:02] <Aislinn> and even with his trying to present a front to everyone, he could have been a bit more competent than that [21:03] <phoenix42> i thought he was there longer and took a leave of absence [21:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> i think the fact that Umbridge applaudes his is a definite turn off point. [21:03] <nympheart> i think he was there for a year, left, and came back, so he only ever taught for a year successively [21:03] <MafaldaWeasley> I remember he smelled... [21:03] <Aislinn> yes phoenix, but we don't know what he taught before he left [21:03] * Expelliarmas loved Fred and George getting detention for sending snowballs at the turbin [21:03] <phoenix42> of course we don't know if he taught dada before [21:03] <CarpeDiem> lol malfada...garlic, wasn't it? [21:03] <cbm> At this point in the series, we learn very little about classes, so we know very little about what he taught [21:03] <nympheart> at LV's face, expie [21:03] <MafaldaWeasley> yuk, carpe [21:03] <etnutter> Barely competent in a pass/fail kind of way, but no lingering knowledge in the students......he stunk, I am certain [21:03] <Expelliarmas> even better, nymph [21:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> he showed harry that everyone has weakness to fall prey to voldie... it was the first piece of proof to harry [21:03] <fawkes28> he taught harry more than locky - that is certain [21:04] *** nympheart has quit [Bye] [21:04] <etnutter> agree fawkes [21:04] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I'd have to agree with that. [21:04] <phoenix42> so the students learnt dada from two teachers lupin and the fake moody [21:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> mimir - did i send the right message to you? [21:04] <MafaldaWeasley> well he could have been better. I mean, Crouch Jr was awful but was useful [21:04] <Expelliarmas> Remus J. Lupin was one of the better DADA professors to teach Harry. What did you like best about his teaching style? [21:04] <mollywobbles23> It seemed like he did. I think he taught for a year, spent a year with vampires and whatnot, and then came back. I don't know. Or maybe the only reason he was able to return for a second year was because he was possessed by Voldemort? [21:04] *** joannakath has joined #lounge [21:04] <phoenix42> he cared and wanted to help everyone [21:04] <mollywobbles23> Lupin is the best. He encouraged everyone. [21:04] <Punky> His ability to relate to his students [21:04] <etnutter> Kind and practical getting more flies with honey than vinegar [21:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> his empathy [21:04] <fawkes28> that he knows exactly how much help to give his students [21:04] <cbm> He was kind and caring and knew the subject [21:05] *** animaguscow left #lounge [] [21:05] <Aislinn> i loved the way he encouraged them [21:05] <CarpeDiem> I loved that Lupin was so hands on. And even with a large class seemed to be very personable with each student. I think Neville learned alot from Lupin as well as Harry. [21:05] <phoenix42> he was encouraging to students [21:05] <fawkes28> he perfects the "guide on the side" method very well [21:05] <hrh7> He didn't ridicule the students. [21:05] <etnutter> If you love the teacher, you absorb the topic... [21:05] *** HPTheoretician has joined #lounge [21:05] *** Caprice13 has joined #lounge [21:05] <Expelliarmas> how cool was Lupin to let Neville shine [21:05] <MimirTheOdd> indeed. [21:05] <HPTheoretician> Sorry I'm back [21:05] <MimirTheOdd> Riddukulus [21:05] <Joyhawk2121> he was kind and fun [21:05] <cbm> He also instilled confidence in the students, such as neville [21:05] <MrMcGonagall> Enjoyed his subject and presented it in an organized fashion, both the theoretical and practical aspects. [21:05] <MafaldaWeasley> he was patient with everybody and gave all the opportunity of practising and showing their weekness and abilities [21:05] <MrMcGonagall> I loved his final exam. [21:05] <fawkes28> he doesnt make goals too far over their heads yet he doesnt make everything too easy for them [21:05] <Aislinn> he was competent, cool, practical, encouraging, and patient [21:05] <cbm> I loved what Hermione did on the final! [21:05] <mollywobbles23> yes, Patience is the key with Lupin. [21:05] <Aislinn> I would have loved to have a teacher like him in school [21:05] <HPTheoretician> Lupin was an excellent teacher... he let everyone acheive something [21:05] <CarpeDiem> ...and because Lupin made such an impression, I think Harry borrowed a lot of Lupin's style when he taught DA. [21:05] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes fawkes kept everyone on their toes [21:06] <mollywobbles23> I want to be a teacher like Lupin. [21:06] <fawkes28> how can one not love Lupin? [21:06] <phoenix42> could point carpe [21:06] *** joannakath has quit [Bye] [21:06] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Carpe [21:06] <Expelliarmas> Did Lupin have flaws as a teacher? Was this manifested more in respect to Harry or to his students in general? [21:06] <etnutter> By dint of how he was presetnted to us, I couldn't help but imagine my own better teachers as Lupin in the story I filled the face with theirs [21:06] <HPTheoretician> He had faith in everyone [21:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> i did i was privilaged...she's now my best friend [21:06] <cbm> Snape does not love lupin [21:06] <fawkes28> that he had to be out once a month [21:06] <Aislinn> i did not see flaws in his teaching [21:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh - the werewolf thing [21:06] <fawkes28> thanks, cbm - lol [21:06] <CarpeDiem> etnutter...thats great [21:06] <Expelliarmas> he had his furry condition; which if he did not take his potion could make him dangerous [21:06] *** joannakath has joined #lounge [21:06] <cbm> anytime fawkes [21:06] <etnutter> whoops....gotta go.....I love this corner booth stuff! bye [21:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> na he was brilliant [21:06] <Aislinn> bye etnutter [21:06] <CarpeDiem> bye etnutter [21:07] <PrincessPickledOnion> even in his dealings with snape... power to lupin i say [21:07] <etnutter> jsut found a appointment in my dayplanner... [21:07] <fawkes28> it does take a toll on a person's teaching if you are out a bunch [21:07] <HPTheoretician> Bye [21:07] *** etnutter has quit [Bye] [21:07] <fawkes28> the students really do need consistency [21:07] <MimirTheOdd> but one day a month? [21:07] <fawkes28> especially if snape is going to sub [21:07] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, that is a drawback for the students [21:07] <MimirTheOdd> I mean, it wouldn't have been bad if it weren't snape [21:07] <Expelliarmas> it wasn't just one day a month, though [21:07] <fawkes28> sometimes it was more [21:07] <cbm> agreed fawkes [21:07] <Aislinn> but even so, they still felt that he was the best teacher they'd ever had [21:07] <Aislinn> and harry was not the only one who felt that way [21:07] <CarpeDiem> That's true fawkes...can you imagine poor Neville who is finally getting comfortable in a DADA class and then SNAPE shows up to teach? [21:07] <fawkes28> exactly [21:07] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed [21:08] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, Expie, on day with Snape...I just can't help thinking of Alan Rickman's teaching werewolves [21:08] <Expelliarmas> Mad-Eye Moody (a.k.a. Barty Crouch, Jr.) taught his students quite a bit despite being a Death Eater. Do you think BC Jr. accurately reflected the way Moody would have taught the DADA class? [21:08] <fawkes28> too much snape is not a good thing [21:08] <mollywobbles23> I think it's funny how Snape could cover for Lupin. Who was covering his classes? He has 7 grades to teach, after all. [21:08] <MimirTheOdd> Not a bit of it. [21:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> i hope so. [21:08] <Aislinn> well, class isn't held every day, so it would depend on when the full moon was, how much it pulled him out of class [21:08] <cbm> JKR says he was a good actor [21:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> i like moody [21:08] <phoenix42> i think he would have been similar [21:08] <mollywobbles23> I guess she didn't want to deal with substitutes. [21:08] <MimirTheOdd> Even during the heyday, Moody wouldn't use unforgivables. [21:08] <MimirTheOdd> Even as a demonstration. [21:08] <fawkes28> i think BCJ did a great job as a teacher [21:08] <Aislinn> it was ironic how good a teacher BCJ was [21:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> true mimir [21:08] <fawkes28> see, I think the real moody would have used them [21:08] <Aislinn> i think he would have, mimir [21:08] <CarpeDiem> It's hard to tell how the real Md Eye would have taught...we no so very little of the "real" character. He did not throw off any of the other teachers though, so perhaps it was close. [21:08] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he did. DD said that to take polijuice you must have watched the habits of the person you would copy [21:08] <PrincessPickledOnion> poetic justice aislinn smile [21:09] <Aislinn> i think that was done with DD's knowledge [21:09] <cbm> We know that he had 12 owls so he must have been intelligent [21:09] <Expelliarmas> I do wonder if BCJ obstructed his master's wishes by teaching so well [21:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> what was done aislinn? [21:09] <MimirTheOdd> Naah... I mean, this is a man who's so anal (forgive the pun) about wand safety that he worries about harry blowing his butt off by sticking his wand in his back pocket. [21:09] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Expie [21:09] <fawkes28> like BCJ said - how are you going to know what they feel like if you aren't under their influence - Moody would have had the same thoughts [21:09] <Aislinn> the teaching of the Unforgivables [21:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> ohh right thank you [21:09] <Aislinn> I don't think he would have risked it, otherwise [21:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> true [21:09] <cbm> He had to teach well as that is what the real moody would have done, t would have looked strange if moody was a bad teacher [21:10] <Aislinn> he was trying to maintain his cover - it would have been foolish to do something that blatant if it wasn't allowed by DD [21:10] <Expelliarmas> Do you think the fourth-year students should have been exposed to Unforgiveable Curses? [21:10] <HPTheoretician> I still don't think he would have done it. Remember how he respected Dumbledore in the Pensieve? [21:10] <MimirTheOdd> On the other hand, BCJ knew a lot about the unforgivables. [21:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> good point - DD was the one he had to fool most [21:10] <CarpeDiem> Perhaps BCJ was a bit star struck by the great Harry Potter as well? Pushed him to do things he otherwise should not have? [21:10] <cbm> No [21:10] <Aislinn> yes, it ended up being critical for Harry [21:10] <fawkes28> no, in usual circumstances but in Harry's case - yes [21:10] <phoenix42> it makes you wonder why they were exposed with knowing harry was in that class [21:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> YES [21:10] <joannakath> I don't know if they should have normally been exposed to them but certainly knowing about them would have eben important [21:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> sorry caps . [21:10] *** Caprice13 has quit [Bye] [21:10] <Expelliarmas> Yes. Fight like you train, train you like fight. Harry was going to see those sooner rather than later [21:10] <cbm> Maybe he was testing Harry [21:10] <Aislinn> they all were able to handle it [21:10] <fawkes28> and for everyone's sake - because DD knew he was gaining strength - he is smart [21:10] <PrincessPickledOnion> i like that expie [21:10] <Aislinn> being exposed to it, I mean [21:11] <Expelliarmas> you have to know what you're facing, to understand what you can do when faced with the situation [21:11] <fawkes28> Moody didn't treat them like children, which at this point was the right thing to do [21:11] <Aislinn> agreed [21:11] <PrincessPickledOnion> good point [21:11] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree fawkes [21:11] <cbm> But I think that moody would not have treated them like children either [21:11] <PrincessPickledOnion> respect for pupils and respect in return for teachers goes hand in hand [21:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> without them - there can be no progress [21:12] <HPTheoretician> Possibly he should have done it in a more controlled and safe environment... [21:12] <CarpeDiem> I think exposure helped Harry in the graveyard and perhaps the others in the MoM when the real unforgivables were being used. To have not seen them before would have been that moreterrifying [21:12] <HPTheoretician> I a classroom with anxious kids may not have been the best idea... [21:12] <HPTheoretician> *In [21:12] <MafaldaWeasley> good point Carpe, they were more prepared, yes [21:12] <Expelliarmas> it's a controlled setting, it was the right place for it [21:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> its not going to be relaxed in a graveyard though is it [21:13] <Aislinn> yes, carpe - I think that it made them all more prepared, and with LV's return, that is a good thing [21:13] <phoenix42> i think he had to teach them like the real mad eye would have or someone would have detected a difference [21:13] <Aislinn> or in any battle situation [21:13] <Aislinn> agreed, phoenix [21:13] <mollywobbles23> yeah, true phoenix [21:13] *** Josh_ has joined #lounge [21:13] <MafaldaWeasley> Mad eye is Mad, so it's all good [21:14] <CarpeDiem> I think that even though the students were afraid of the unforgivables, they realized they were being taught ssomething above and beyond the normal. I think that helped them learn from it. [21:14] <hrh7> McGonagal wasn't suprised that he turned Draco into a ferret. Angry but not suprised. [21:14] <Expelliarmas> ok, peeps! overtime is over! We all win. Time to go! [21:14] <phoenix42> okay bye [21:14] <cbm> I think he was not worried about what he taught them, as after "the one with the power to vanquish the dark lord" was gone, it would not really matter, so he did a good job [21:14] <Aislinn> this was an awesome chat, everyone! [21:14] <MafaldaWeasley> awww... okay! [21:14] <CarpeDiem> No! We didn't discuss Harry yet, did we? [21:14] <fawkes28> oh no sad [21:14] <MimirTheOdd> Y'all have a good one [21:15] <Aislinn> Thanks for joining in [21:15] <MafaldaWeasley> byebye guys [21:15] <Punky> Thanks for the overtime! [21:15] <Josh_> Ahh - I just missed it [21:15] *** phoenix42 left #lounge [] [21:15] <MrMcGonagall> Awwww. This was a great chat everyone! Thanks for coming! [21:15] <Josh_> >.< [21:15] <Aislinn> no, we didn't discuss Harry [21:15] <Expelliarmas> poor Harry was not an official teacher [21:15] <fawkes28> boo [21:15] <mollywobbles23> bye everyone! [21:15] <CarpeDiem> Yes, thanks for a wonderful chat. You guys rock smile [21:15] <cbm> I have 13 minutes over! yeah [21:15] <Aislinn> who was a GREAT teacher [21:15] *** MimirTheOdd has quit [Bye] [21:15] <CarpeDiem> He as to me Expelliarmas [21:15] <mollywobbles23> do we know next week's topic yet? [21:15] <cbm> I have him on my list of DADA teachers [21:15] <fawkes28> i distracted them, carpe, for ya [21:15] *** Josh_ has quit [Bye] [21:15] <CarpeDiem> Woot! smile [21:15] <hrh7> Thanks [21:15] <CarpeDiem> Thanks fawkes28 [21:15] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [21:15] *** MafaldaWeasley left #lounge [] [21:15] <cbm> good night! [21:15] *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] [21:15] <Expelliarmas> let's hope not, cbm; or else he is jinxed [21:16] <mollywobbles23> guess not. [21:16] <mollywobbles23> later everyone! [21:16] *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [21:16] <Joyhawk2121> thanks bye guys [21:16] <CarpeDiem> Wonderful job as always CB Mods. Great questions. [21:16] <cbm> but he only did it for a year [21:16] <CarpeDiem> G'night! [21:16] *** Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] [21:16] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [21:16] <cbm> night! [21:16] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [21:16] <Expelliarmas> skadoodle, peeps! [21:16] <PrincessPickledOnion> Everyone leaving? [21:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> Two in the morning! N everyone leaving good lord [21:17] <fawkes28> yes, time to go [21:17] <Expelliarmas> yes, it's time to go [21:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> bye everyone thanks for the chat!! biggrin XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX [21:17] <MrMcGonagall> night, everybody! [21:17] <HPTheoretician> Great time chatting! [21:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> speak soon!! [21:17] <HPTheoretician> Bye! [21:17] <joannakath> night all smile [21:17] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [21:17] *** joannakath has quit [Bye] [21:17] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [21:17] *** HPTheoretician has quit [Bye] [21:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> bye aislinnn n MrM Expie HPT and all other cool dudes *waves* [21:18] <PrincessPickledOnion> xxxxxxxx [21:18] *** PrincessPickledOnion left #lounge [] [21:18] *** Expelliarmas left #lounge [] [21:18] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by fawkes28: Apr 11 2007, 08:53 PM -------------------- |
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