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[19:07] *** Topic is: Sirius Black [19:07] <Aislinn> Hi everyone! [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> good, enough time for me to go get a cup of coffee and get ready to settle down....brb [19:07] <magicmeg8> hey ais! [19:08] *** Kelazma has joined #lounge [19:08] <Kelazma> afk [19:08] <magicmeg8> hey kel smile [19:08] <Ameena> hey, kel [19:08] *** Akiko has quit [Bye] [19:08] <LJ> Hey Ais [19:08] <LJ> Hey Kel [19:08] <tbunny> Hola Kel (Tams tries to maintain individuality) [19:09] *** minders has joined #lounge [19:09] <Ameena> lol [19:10] *** minders has quit [Bye] [19:10] <Ameena> and I have color biggrin [19:10] <magicmeg8> smile [19:10] <Sejo_Apex> I have coloUr [19:10] <tbunny> good plan. I call pink, cos it's the most rugged colour. [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> ahh, coffee smile....how did you do the color? [19:11] <Ameena> (Once the convo starts, I promise not to be random ;)) [19:11] <tbunny> there are >> over near bottom of chat box, click them and hteres a drop down menu [19:11] <Ameena> well, sejo, you're in teh uck, you can have colour, but I'm inthe us, so I'll stick with color [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks...gotta have Sooner red [19:12] <Ameena> (at least, I think you're in the uck...) [19:12] <tbunny> maybe Sejos just a fan of vowels [19:12] <Sejo_Apex> Canada actually [19:12] <Ameena> could be- does look much cooler, doesn't it biggrin [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I actually prefer that spelling because it has OU in it that way smile [19:12] <LJ> use the << to the right of the text box to choose a colour [19:13] *** Lizzieangel90 has joined #lounge [19:13] <Ameena> hehehe, Sooner [19:13] <magicmeg8> yes -- colors are always fun smile [19:13] <Ameena> (psssst... UArk rocks) [19:13] <tbunny> color just looks wierd to me... but then I am in nz... [19:13] <Sejo_Apex> British English [19:13] <magicmeg8> i encourage color or colour -- both are usable [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> BOOMER!!!! (yeah, I know I won't get a response to that) [19:13] <Ameena> hehehe [19:13] *** Lizzieangel90 has quit [Bye] [19:13] <Ameena> Go HOGS! [19:14] <tbunny> hahaha meg, being a hufflepuff? [19:14] <Ameena> (even though I havn't gone to the school in, oh, three years) [19:14] <magicmeg8> umm, ACTUALLY tams, I'M a ravenpuff, lol [19:14] <Sejo_Apex> color looks incredibly weird to me, so does saying "lootenant" and "skedule" [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hehe [19:14] <Sejo_Apex> I sau leftanant and shedule [19:14] <magicmeg8> Alright everyone: so are we all ready to start? [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> yes!!! [19:14] <Ameena> I think we are biggrin [19:15] <magicmeg8> Yay! Let's start with a bit about Sirius first: Sirius Black, born into a family of Voldemort sympathizers, became a Gryffindor at Hogwarts, where he found friendship in the Marauders (Lupin/Potter/Pettigrew), and showed powerful magical ability. Later, Black was framed for the murder of Lily and James Potter, and this injustice sentenced him to nine years in Azkaban. When he escaped, he found his godson Harry, who accepted him as fa [19:15] <magicmeg8> So, what are your thoughts on Sirius's role in the series? [19:15] <SoonerGryffindor> *still upset about what JKR did to my Sirius* [19:16] <tbunny> meg.... as a fa? [19:16] <magicmeg8> whoops [19:16] <Narya> Family, I think [19:16] <magicmeg8> h/o [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> father? [19:16] <magicmeg8> family. In the last year of his life, Sirius was kept in Grimmauld Place, and left only to protect Harry, only to meet his demise in Bellatrix Lestrange, whose curse sent him through the black veil. Today we're focusing on what Sirius's role in the series is. [19:16] <magicmeg8> new technology people, new technology [19:17] <Ameena> I think that it's interesting that he had such an ambigous role in harrys life... the whole friend/brother/father combo [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, it was a little weird [19:17] <magicmeg8> How so? [19:17] <Aislinn> do you feel that he was more in one of those roles than another? [19:17] <tbunny> I think the only reason his role was so ambigious was because Harry wanted him to be one thing and Sirius wanted to be another.. and neither was really sure about what that role ws. [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> its like he and Harry couldn't decide on whether to be friends or family [19:18] <Sejo_Apex> Sirius was desperate to find James in Harry, as Lupin or Moody have said quite a few times [19:18] <Ameena> yeah [19:18] <Ameena> very true, tams [19:18] <magicmeg8> Those are great points, tams and sejo [19:19] <Narya> I think their bond was very strong; Sirius never had a real family and neither did Harry [19:19] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> So is Sirius' role more that of protector, mentor,friend, or connection to the past? [19:19] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [19:19] <Narya> Protector and connection, I think [19:19] <magicmeg8> I agree narya, he seems less of a mentor, and i suppose he's a friend as well though [19:20] <Narya> Plus the fact that he was Harry's godfather [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think Harry connected more with Sirius than Lupin as far as connection? [19:20] <magicmeg8> hey poet and gryffindelle [19:20] <Narya> Mischief - like kindred spirits [19:20] <Ameena> yeah [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> that's probably it [19:20] <gryffindelle> its his godfather [19:20] <Sejo_Apex> I don't think it was incredibly strong, Harry only knew him for 2 years and the year before that h though he was a serial killer, and throughout OotP they barely see eachother, a few letters but nothing substantial [19:20] <tbunny> I think that his parents had chosen Sirius as his godfather that would have made an impact [19:20] <Aislinn> I think that Sirius reached out in a more personal way than Lupin did [19:20] <Narya> Remus is more intuitive and Harry is growing up that way [19:21] <Ameena> I have to wonder, if Sirius had been more of a father figure, would 1- harry have been so close to him and 2- woud harry have listened to him a bit more about learning occulmancy [19:21] <Narya> For all that they didn't have much time together, that bond was very strong. Just look at how Harry grieved when Sirius died [19:21] <Poet> I'm sure it was a relief to know that he wasn't being haunted by the Grim - that Sirius wasn't a sign of death, but a sign of a chance for a new life. [19:21] <gryffindelle> so harry might've felt that his parents would've liked that [19:21] <Aislinn> ameena, those are good questions [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> Maybe Sirius' childishness appealed more to Harry [19:22] <tbunny> Lupin had more perspective on James death and everything, where as for Sirius it was all so personal and tied up with his going to jail and so on. [19:22] <Sejo_Apex> Another thing... have you ever questioned Sirius' sanity? I have a few times, 12 years in Azkaban, whether you're in animagus form or not is hell [19:22] <Narya> Sirius was the rebel - which always appeals [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Sirius definitely wasn't dealing with a full deck sometimes [19:22] <Sejo_Apex> I think Sirius was partially delusional [19:22] <Narya> Sirius was very lucky to stay sane [19:22] <Narya> I don't think JKR wrote him that way, Sejo [19:22] <Kelazma> Sirius also never grew up [19:22] <Ameena> (uh oh, Sejo said the d-word ;) ) [19:23] <Kelazma> he went to azkeban very early in his life. [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:23] <tbunny> Sejo - do you mean as in clinically delusional? or ideologically? [19:23] <Kelazma> so even 13 years later he's still acting 20 [19:23] <Sejo_Apex> its just the way he looked at Harry as his best buddy [19:23] <Kelazma> Well he didn't see himself as a "grown man" [19:23] <Narya> Understandable - he never had the chance to fully mature [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, it didn't help that Harry looks just like James [19:23] <Ameena> yeah, it's like his mental clock was put on pause for those 12 years [19:23] <Kelazma> Any kid who's emotionally damaged (i'd say dementors are emotionally damaging) stops maturing [19:24] <gryffindelle> yeah [19:24] <tbunny> I agree Kel. He had a horrible time in his life and hadn;t been able to deal- because he'd been simply trying to survive [19:24] <gryffindelle> do we know for sure that he does not have the other two-way mirror [19:24] <Sejo_Apex> nope [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I was about to ask the same thing [19:25] <Ameena> I dont' think so [19:25] <magicmeg8> How else do you think Azkaban affected Sirius? [19:25] <Sejo_Apex> he didn't carry it on him all the time [19:25] <tbunny> So then when he returns to the real world, he wouldn't know where he'd fit- and he didn't, in that he was believes guilty when he wasn';t [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that knowing that he didn't do it, but that everybody else thought he did had to take a toll [19:25] <Narya> Psychologically and mentally as well as physically [19:25] <Sejo_Apex> and harry tried to contact him before going to the ministry through the mirrors didn't he? [19:25] <gryffindelle> no that was the fire [19:25] <Kelazma> Besides emotional damage, I wonder if he is a bit insane....because Bellatrix is definitly insane....but she could have been before she left [19:25] <tbunny> No Sejo, that was through the fireplace. Harry had never unwrapped it. [19:25] <Sejo_Apex> ahh yes [19:26] <Aislinn> do you see evidence of his being insane, kel? [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Hehe, maybe that's a Black family thing....genetic insanity [19:26] <Narya> I don't think he was insane ... [19:26] <Ameena> but he did try to contact him AFTER the department of mysterieis battle [19:26] <Narya> Damaged, yes. Insane, no [19:26] <tbunny> *cough*inbred*cough* [19:26] <Kelazma> No no no no....I mean Bella as a person seems a bit derranged [19:26] <gryffindelle> I think he was just a bit behind the times [19:26] <Ameena> via the mirrors, I mean [19:26] <Sejo_Apex> well I read OotP over an 8 month period [19:26] <Sejo_Apex> so I'm not always going to be accurate [19:26] <gryffindelle> yes [19:26] <tbunny> I think he was confused, and that he'd never had much stability in his life- so not the best at coping [19:26] <gryffindelle> ameena [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> Actually, I am currently reading OotP, so its all still fresh for me [19:27] *** NickTLC has quit [Bye] [19:27] <Kelazma> I was wondering if she was derranged BEFORE azkeban....or if Azkeban made her crazy....and Sirius crazy as well. [19:27] <Sejo_Apex> I think he had lost a bit of his sanity, in PoA in the shrieking shack he pretty much showed it. [19:27] <gryffindelle> i have to leave, now, byebye [19:27] *** NickTLC has joined #lounge [19:27] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [19:27] <Ameena> well, I hate to leave, but I need to get to play rehersal [19:27] <tbunny> also maybe because his parents weren't very supportive, he didn't know how parents/guardians should act [19:27] <Aislinn> but has he shown evidence of insanity since the shreiking shack? [19:27] <Narya> He had just come out of Azkaban and had worried himself sick over Harry [19:28] <Ameena> talk to y'all later- have fun! [19:28] <Narya> I don't think that shows insanity - he was pretty fiery, but nothing more [19:28] *** Ameena left #lounge [] [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it speaks volumes to his character that he risked everythng to leave Azkaban becuse he knew Harry was in danger [19:28] <Sejo_Apex> No there are traces of insanity in his speech and actions, or at least I thought so [19:29] <Narya> Yes, it does; it proves what kind of man he was [19:29] <Sejo_Apex> Not clinical insanity [19:29] <tbunny> Kel- I think Bellatrix was always very.. passionate and that is why she is so crazy seeming. [19:29] <Aislinn> can you give examples of that, sejo? [19:29] <tbunny> I think thts just that his judgement isn't the best [19:29] <Narya> After twelve years in Azkaban, I think most people would "sound" a bit unhinged [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> So, do we think that maybe there might be a case for a type of genetic insanity in the Black family like there was with the Gaunts? [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> look at Sirius' mom, for example [19:30] <Poet> Bellatrix is obsessed. I think Sirius on the other hand was merely emotional and bit beaten down, but not entirely broken. [19:30] <Sejo_Apex> the way he spoke to harry, the way he acted around the trio ans snape, ummmm.... I haven't read OotP in a while, can't remember [19:30] <Narya> No, just really virulent prejudice [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> even their house elf is crazy [19:30] <magicmeg8> True narya -- could some of this seeming insanity come from extreme prejudice? [19:30] *** DorisTLC has quit [Bye] [19:30] <Narya> Bellatrix is definitely insane, IMO [19:31] <Aislinn> the 2 Black family members that are mentioned as having insane traits were both in Azkhaban - is it genetic, or the effects of the dementors? [19:31] <Narya> Think so, yes [19:31] <magicmeg8> lol very true, sooner [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I definitely think Bella was crazy enough before Azkaban [19:31] <Narya> Bellatrix has no humanity - well, at least not to me [19:31] <Sejo_Apex> she does [19:31] <Aislinn> her devotion to LV does seem pretty maniacal [19:32] <magicmeg8> that's a good point, ais. i definitely azkaban effected both significantly -- and to have made it out of azkaban somewhat sane is pretty amazing [19:32] <LJ> well, Mrs. Black seems quite insane too - so maybe genetic [19:32] <magicmeg8> *think [19:32] <Sejo_Apex> she loves voldy thats a trace of humanity [19:32] <Poet> I tend to agree that extreme prejudice can manifest the same symptoms as insanity. [19:32] <Narya> She loves what he stands for [19:32] <tbunny> I think they just lack perspective [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> but is the prejudce cause of effect? [19:32] <Aislinn> does that represent what we know of Sirius, though poet? [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> oops, I meant cause or effect? [19:33] <tbunny> and we're not really going to be shown Bella when she's being more normal and getting herself dinner or anything are we? We're just shown the side of her that comes out when she's on DE business [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> what about Narcissa? would she classify as insane? I don't think so [19:33] <Sejo_Apex> read this on sirius' mental state specifically the 4th paragraph [19:33] <Narya> No, I don't think she is - just very prejudiced [19:34] <Sejo_Apex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Black#Mental_state [19:34] <magicmeg8> well, i think in the pureblood families we know of -- like the blacks, it's fairly difficult to pinpoint that insanity to genetics, but it is interesting to look at [19:34] <Sejo_Apex> While in Azkaban for over a decade, Sirius tried to hold on to vestiges of his sanity. His dog-form gave him respite from the Dementors' presence, but his guilt over James and Lily gnawed at him, and his desire for revenge became an obsession. Sirius resolved to find a way to escape from prison when he discovered by chance that Peter Pettigrew was using his animagus form to pose as a pet rat belonging to Harry's best friend, Ron W [19:34] *** cairadawn has quit [Bye] [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> looks to me that its actually a big disadvantage in being "pureblood" [19:34] *** cairadawn has joined #lounge [19:35] *** cairadawn has quit [Bye] [19:35] <Narya> Sirius did everything from the heart. I don't think that there is evidence of insanity froma man who loved Harry as if he were his own [19:36] <tbunny> i agree meg, especially since their society is somewhat different from ours [19:36] <Aislinn> I agree, Narya [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> me too [19:36] <Sejo_Apex> can you be inherently prejudiced? like through genetics? hereditary prejudice, not against specific people but the predisposition to prejudice [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I hope not [19:36] <Poet> In preparation for a paper about banning and Harry Potter - I read a lot of literature by very prejudiced people. They had decided the truth for themselves and were no longer logical about the issue of Harry Potter being evil/good. The words that they spoke were "catch phrases" - reminds me now of Mrs. Black. [19:36] <Narya> Don't know enough about that one ... but I'd say that you have to acquire your prejudices from someone and then believe in tehm [19:36] <Aislinn> no - as that song says, It's got to be carefully taught [19:37] <magicmeg8> What were Sirius's traits? I think this is an important area to explore [19:37] <Sejo_Apex> Mrs. Black was prejudiced, insanely so [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> ahh, Mrs. Black--that chick was definitely crazy! [19:37] <tbunny> Sejo - I very much doubt it. I think it's a nurture thing [19:37] <Narya> Mrs Black couldn't see anything other than what she wanted to see [19:37] <tbunny> and if your family strongly believes something and presents it as fact then you' [19:37] <magicmeg8> Would we agree that sirius was loyal? [19:37] <tbunny> re likely to do the same. [19:37] <Aislinn> and was probably the product of her parent's prejudice [19:37] <Narya> Yes, very loyal [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I would definitely agree [19:37] <Sejo_Apex> nature vs nurture [19:38] <Aislinn> So, if prejudice was such a strong aspect of the Black family, how did Sirius escape its effect? or did he/ [19:38] <Aislinn> ? [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Makes you wonder what Regulus was like [19:38] <Sejo_Apex> he didn't, he just applied prejuice to other groups of people [19:38] <Narya> His heart was too big to be corrupted by it, I think [19:39] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:39] <Aislinn> Regulus made very different choices than Sirius did Sooner [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> was it always his big heart? Or was he rebelling against his family at first? [19:39] <Aislinn> Hi prongs! [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [19:39] <Narya> Both, I think [19:39] <tbunny> I think perhaps was also badly treated by his parents and so it was easier to rebel [19:39] <Narya> Hi Prongs [19:39] <Aislinn> I agree - both [19:39] <magicmeg8> that's interesting, sooner. i think that could have been it at first [19:39] <magicmeg8> hey prongs [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> hi prongs [19:39] <Narya> Regulus was the favourite son - that must have been very hard on Sirius [19:39] <Narya> Constantly reminded of it as well [19:40] <Sejo_Apex> I think his befirending of James might be the reason he didn't go bad [19:40] <tbunny> yes but was Regulus the favourite son because of his beliefs? [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> or it could hve made him even more eager to rebel [19:40] <Narya> I don't think he would have gone bad in any case [19:40] <Poet> Sirius was a free spirit and was determined to make up his own mind. We see this in his interactions with his family but also in his arguments with Molly. He doesn't want to be pressured or told what to do or think. [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Regulus was the favourite son only after Sirius became friends with James [19:40] <Narya> I think he was always the favourite, PP. [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder what it was like between the 2 brothers [19:40] <Narya> Younger son, more malleable [19:40] <Sejo_Apex> You're saying that if he hadn't had Lupin or James to control him, Sirius would still be the great person he was? [19:41] <Sejo_Apex> I don't think so [19:41] <Narya> Sirius wasn't great [19:41] <magicmeg8> i agree poet -- 'cause you'd imagine as a child he'd have been pressured to act a certain way [19:41] <Narya> But not a bad person either [19:41] <tbunny> Actually I do think he was too. Because if he was more ignored then he'd be more liekly to be willing to be sorted into gryffindor [19:41] <Narya> He went through an arrogant phase [19:41] <Aislinn> Sirius was the older brother - would this have played a role? [19:41] <Narya> that is all [19:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think it would have been harder on him, but he was Sorted as a Gryffindor [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> we have to remember that he was sorted into Gryffindor more than likely before he met either James or Lupin [19:41] <ProngsPatronus> that says something to me [19:41] <Sejo_Apex> I think that is Sirius hadn't met lupin or james he would have been more likely to become a baddy [19:41] <Narya> and to me [19:41] <Sejo_Apex> if* [19:41] *** Titi has joined #lounge [19:41] <Narya> I don't think Sirius would ever have gone to the Dark side [19:41] <Narya> Not under any circumstances [19:42] <Sejo_Apex> you can't say that [19:42] <Titi> me eighter [19:42] <Aislinn> but something within him led the hat to sort him into Gryffindor - that seems to speak to something inherent in Sirius [19:42] <Narya> It's what I believe, Sejo - just as you believe something different [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Ais [19:42] <Sejo_Apex> you don't know enoguh about his childhood or upbringing [19:42] <Narya> I agree Aislinn [19:42] <Narya> We can guess, Sejo [19:42] <Aislinn> I wonder why Regulus didn't follow his older brother's footsteps when he arrived at school [19:42] <Narya> He was his mother and father's son [19:42] <tbunny> he did have an Uncle who supported him after he became estranged from his family [19:42] <Sejo_Apex> he was extremely reckless, without james +lupin he would have gone too far [19:42] <Titi> he was as loyal as to betray them! [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> probably because of the way the rest of the family reacted to Sirius [19:43] <Narya> He was reckless, very true, but grew out of it [19:43] <magicmeg8> i'm sure after being sorted into gryff, he'd have lost any status in his family [19:43] <Sejo_Apex> maybe sirius had a funny uncle [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> did he really though? [19:43] <Titi> that´s why he was rejected [19:43] <Narya> I think he did [19:43] <magicmeg8> Well, lets look at Sirius as a school boy [19:43] <Aislinn> did he really what sooner? [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> I think Uncle Alphard wasn't so Toujours Pur as Sirius' mother [19:43] <Sejo_Apex> reckless [19:43] <tbunny> Perhaps the Uncle was a huge influence on him growing up [19:43] <Sejo_Apex> arrogant [19:43] <Sejo_Apex> impulsive [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> did he grow out of the recklessness [19:43] <Narya> Aren't we all at fifteen? [19:44] <Sejo_Apex> with james' and lupin's help [19:44] <tbunny> No... he really didn't [19:44] <magicmeg8> yes, i agree sooner -- and he made it a point to protect harry [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Haary wasn't [19:44] <Titi> so what? [19:44] <Narya> Harry did go through an arrogant phase in OOtP [19:44] <Aislinn> not as much as he would have without Azkhaban [19:44] <Sejo_Apex> Sirius was funloving, bold and reckless [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> but not like James and Sirius were [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> and why is that bad? [19:44] <Narya> He had an outgoing personality and he sometimes went a bit too far [19:45] <Poet> Good point about the arrogance of Sirius. Because of his family-situation it appears he became independent earlier and thus felt more confident then his peers in his decisions and actions. [19:45] <Narya> Just testing his boundaries [19:45] <Sejo_Apex> yes... tooo far [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry was more self-centered, but not arrogant [19:45] <Narya> And don't we all, as we grow up [19:45] <Sejo_Apex> didn't he almost kill someone at Hogwarts? [19:45] <Narya> No [19:45] <Sejo_Apex> james and sirius [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> I don't really think Harry was self-centered [19:45] <Narya> It was a reckless prank which went wrong [19:45] <Titi> yes [19:45] <Sejo_Apex> yes reckless and dnagerous [19:45] <Titi> but not in purpose [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> why not Prongs? [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> he was thrown upon his own resources at a very early age [19:45] <Sejo_Apex> it almost killed someone [19:46] <tbunny> Reckless and dangerous because he hated the victim - Snape [19:46] <Titi> not in purpose, i repeat! [19:46] <Aislinn> How would you describe Sirius to someone who hasn’t read the books? [19:46] <Narya> Heedless, yes, but not deliberately malicious and the hate was mutual [19:46] <Narya> And Snape has never been a victim [19:46] <Sejo_Apex> well Voldemort hates his victims does that change anything [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> ? [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> that's a hard question Aislinn [19:46] <Narya> Hard one [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> I don't get where you are coming from, Sejo [19:47] <magicmeg8> well, we have said that he was a bit overconfident, but also loyal [19:47] <magicmeg8> so those are two traits to look at [19:47] <ProngsPatronus> I would describe him as good-looking, smart, reckless, loyal, daring [19:47] <Narya> In essence, Sirius is larger than life. Loyal, intelligent, loving [19:47] <Aislinn> I've seen people post that he was fun loving, arrogant and reckless. Are these his defining characteristics? [19:47] <Narya> As a teen, yes [19:47] <Narya> As a man, less so [19:47] <tbunny> I would describe him as a man who never really grew up. [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if Sirius ever had a girlfriend? [19:47] <magicmeg8> well, we see that he is most definitely caring -- enough so to care for lupin and become an animagus [19:48] <Aislinn> he seems like the kind who would have girls fallling all over him [19:48] <Narya> Yes, a very caring side [19:48] <magicmeg8> so i think that's another staple qualtiy of sirius;s [19:48] <Titi> yes [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> and enough to care for Harry [19:48] <Narya> Born of loyalty [19:48] *** Priscilla has joined #lounge [19:48] <magicmeg8> true, prongs [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> born of love [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> which makes me wonder why he never found anyone [19:48] <Sejo_Apex> "Sirius is a rather tragic figure in the series. His life was not the happiest and never gave him time to properly mature emotionally, making him somewhat of a loose cannon." [19:48] <Narya> And of love, of course [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> I think Sirius was capable of a great love [19:48] <Narya> Just didn't have time for it in his life [19:48] <Sejo_Apex> yes he was, case in point - harry [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> life in Azkaban ruined what he could have become [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I would primarily define Sirius as a person capable of having great passion for life and those that he loves [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> and that is a tragedy [19:49] <magicmeg8> ok, that's true, sejo -- sirius did show great loyalty and love in caring for harry [19:49] <Narya> Yes, Sooner [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Sooner [19:49] <magicmeg8> definitely sooner [19:49] <Aislinn> so, given the characteristics you've described for him, does it make sense that he was sorted into Gryffindor? [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> so it seems as if he and Harry share this trait [19:50] <Narya> Yes [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> absolutely! [19:50] <Sejo_Apex> New questions, what would Sirius have been like without his 13 year tenure in Azkaban? [19:50] <Narya> No other House would have fitted him so well [19:50] <Narya> Essentially the same loving and loyal person, but with a gentler nature [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> well, he would have raised Harry, so he would have been more mature to start with [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> I think he would have had time to feel the lesser emotions [19:51] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> a life like his is lived intensely [19:51] <magicmeg8> gyffindor was definitely the best lplace for sirius [19:51] <Narya> Azkaban made him a different man - it took away half his life [19:51] <Narya> He never had a chance - it's like arrested development [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, that's so sad to think about sad [19:51] <Titi> took over his hansome looking [19:51] <Aislinn> I agree narya [19:51] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:51] <Narya> But despite that - he was still a loving person and gave his life for Harry [19:51] <Titi> smile [19:52] <Aislinn> once again, showing gryffindor qualities [19:52] <Titi> sad [19:52] <Titi> ;( [19:52] <Narya> yes [19:52] <Titi> ;) [19:52] <Narya> Bravery defined him [19:52] <Titi> (; [19:52] <Titi> (: [19:52] <Sejo_Apex> I think the most tragic part about him was that he was only found innocent after hsi death [19:52] <magicmeg8> do you think being a gryffindor kept sirius on the "good " side after azkaban? [19:52] *** Akiko has joined #lounge [19:52] <Sejo_Apex> no [19:52] <Sejo_Apex> no [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> wow, I'm beginning to think that Harry's personality as more like Sirius' than Jame's [19:53] <magicmeg8> why do you think that sejo? [19:53] <Narya> I don't think Sirius would ever have gone bad at any time in his life. [19:53] <Sejo_Apex> it was harry [19:53] <Sejo_Apex> harry kept him from going bad [19:53] <Narya> Harry has a bit of both [19:53] <Narya> Remember what DD said [19:53] <magicmeg8> that's true sejo [19:53] *** LacewingFlies has joined #lounge [19:53] <LacewingFlies> hello [19:53] <magicmeg8> hi lacewing smile [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> hi LF [19:53] <LJ> Hi [19:53] <Aislinn> sirius had more reason than most to turn to the dark side, but consciously chose not to [19:53] <Narya> hi [19:53] <tbunny> I agree Sejo. Because Sirius knew better than anyone that Gryffindors can go bad (being framed by one and all) [19:53] <Titi> hi [19:54] <LacewingFlies> hi titi [19:54] <Akiko> true [19:54] <Narya> Yes, a conscious choice [19:54] <Narya> that makes all the difference [19:54] <magicmeg8> good points ais and tams [19:54] <tbunny> Also that he wasn't guilty of betraying them - to go and betray them after that... would be just so illogical. like.. i can't comprehend why anyone would ever do that [19:54] <LacewingFlies> good point, narya [19:54] <Poet> Sirius of course had been ardently against the dark arts as teenager and had a firm foundation of siding with the "good" [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Makes you wonder what Harry's life would have been like if Sirius had raised him [19:55] <LacewingFlies> Yes- he saw first hand what the Dark Arts were [19:55] <Aislinn> more fun at home [19:55] <magicmeg8> definitely [19:55] <Narya> That's quite sad to think about, isn't it? [19:55] <Sejo_Apex> Sirius is reported to have laughed maniacally upon being accused, and according to J.K. Rowling this is true (not a fanciful story) as "he was absolutely unhinged by James's death"' [19:55] <tbunny> I think that like Poet says - he fought against being that person all his life. He wouldn't throw all that away for what was by then a weaker cause [19:55] <Narya> Then again, Harry would not be the Harray we know [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> true [19:55] <LacewingFlies> I can imagine sirius doing that [19:55] <Aislinn> right, tams [19:55] <magicmeg8> good point, tams [19:55] <magicmeg8> that has always puzzled me, sejo [19:55] <Narya> He could never be tamed [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Kind of like the reaction that Harry would have if Ron or Hermione were to die [19:56] <tbunny> Sejo- I think it was hysterical laughter, and after all it is rather bitterly ironic [19:56] <Narya> yes, Sooner [19:56] <magicmeg8> agree, sooner [19:56] <LacewingFlies> I agree, sooner [19:56] <Narya> But it wouldn't turn Harry to the Dark Side any more than it would have for Sirius [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, it just makes me sooo sad to think about it [19:56] <LacewingFlies> No, it would make him fight even harder [19:56] <Titi> es [19:57] <Aislinn> Has anyone read gwynog's rabbits essay on Sirius and Buckbeak? [19:57] <Narya> To love as intensely as that, and to lose someone, makes a person stronger [19:57] <tbunny> It was more that the one person who he never thought would be a threat, turned around and pwnd him [19:57] <LacewingFlies> well said, narya [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but at what point does it "break" that person? [19:57] <Sejo_Apex> or it destroys them [19:57] <Poet> I think Harry might have gotten himself killed by now if he'd been raised by Sirius. Harry had enough trouble controlling his emotions in Book 5. [19:57] <magicmeg8> i haven't ais -- what point did she make? [19:57] <LacewingFlies> It depends on the kind of person [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> because I think that's what happened to Sirius a little [19:57] <Narya> As long as you have hope, you can't be broken I think [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> it either makes a person stronger, or it kills them inside [19:57] <Sejo_Apex> it either makes them stronger or destroys them altogether [19:57] <LacewingFlies> It ould break some people, make others stronger [19:57] *** Kelazma has quit [Bye] [19:57] *** Titi has quit [Bye] [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> but don't you think that's what may have caused some of Sirius' insanity? [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I thought Gwynog'srabbit did a wonderful essay [19:58] <Narya> Sirius never died inside - he was stronger than that but he was certainly changed by his time in Azkaben. Not insanity, just very intense grief and pain [19:58] <Sejo_Apex> James' death really screwed Sirius' head over [19:58] <Aislinn> me too, prongs [19:58] <Narya> Gwnog's essay was very good [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Sirius was insane [19:58] <Aislinn> she talks about Sirius starting down a dark path while in Azkhaban, but being able to turn it around [19:58] <LacewingFlies> If he hadn't been able to transform, he probably would be insane [19:58] <LacewingFlies> But he wasn't [19:58] <magicmeg8> interesting [19:58] <Narya> He knew he was innocent [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I think he was given more heartache than he could reasonably bear [19:59] <Narya> That kept him sane [19:59] <Sejo_Apex> no I think Sirius had tarces of insanity, he's human, succeptible to mental ilness [19:59] <LacewingFlies> and that wasn't a happy thought [19:59] <Narya> Good point PP [19:59] <magicmeg8> yes, narya, i agree [19:59] <Aislinn> agree, narya [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> that's what I was meaning Prongs [19:59] <LacewingFlies> I agree sejo [19:59] <tbunny> I think as well as knowing he was innocent, he also thought of getting revenge [19:59] <LacewingFlies> Azkaban would do that to anyone [19:59] <LacewingFlies> even if they were innocent [19:59] <Aislinn> I don't see the insanity, personally [19:59] <Sejo_Apex> "On escape, he had been greatly tainted by the prison. For the following year, he was directed by the fixation to commit the crime he had been convicted of, wild and desperate and alone." [19:59] <magicmeg8> true, tams -- we see that it's harry who stops him [19:59] <tbunny> and as he was the only person who knew there was revenge to be gotten... well. That's a motivator [19:59] <Narya> He wanted to make sure that Peter could not hurt Harry [19:59] <LacewingFlies> I just see a trace- not much [19:59] <Narya> where are these quotes coming from, Sejo? [20:00] <Sejo_Apex> a wikipedia article [20:00] <Narya> Ah [20:00] <magicmeg8> could you link it? [20:00] <Sejo_Apex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Black [20:00] <LacewingFlies> there's a wikipedia article on sirius! [20:00] <Sejo_Apex> go to mental state [20:00] <tbunny> I really don't see the insanity. I see a person under stress, a confused person who can't really cope (emotionally) with the situations they're put into [20:00] <magicmeg8> thanks -- oh, you did post it before. sorry! [20:00] <Sejo_Apex> theres a huge database of caharcter profiles on Wiki [20:00] <Narya> I don't think the person who wrote the article really knows the books that well [20:00] <Aislinn> that's what I see, tams [20:01] <tbunny> but wikipedia is just one persons opinion... you gotta remember that [20:01] <Narya> I agree tbunny [20:01] <Aislinn> and a person who is driven to protect his godson at all costs [20:01] <Sejo_Apex> nope [20:01] <Sejo_Apex> its NPOV [20:01] <Sejo_Apex> neutral point of view [20:01] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [20:01] <tbunny> well an amalagation of opinions and views [20:01] <Sejo_Apex> all artcles have to be or they are deleted [20:01] <LacewingFlies> I just think that he's slightly more likely to get metally ill [20:01] <Narya> It's not neutral - it makes assumptions on his mental state [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Unless it comes straight from JKR, I wouldn't buy fully into it [20:01] <Narya> Just my opinion [20:01] <tbunny> if it's not from the canon then it's tainted by an opinion. but anyway... sirius.. [20:01] <Narya> I definitely don't [20:01] <Poet> I wish we had more information about the Snape/Sirius/whomping willow incidence. [20:02] <Narya> Maybe we'll find out more, Poet [20:02] <Sejo_Apex> everthing is subjective [20:02] <Aislinn> no such thing as neutral when you're talking about this kind of issue - contributor always has personal biases [20:02] <tbunny> well you can see how he acted to snape in Snapes worst memory [20:02] <Aislinn> ino [20:02] <Aislinn> imo [20:02] *** crits has joined #lounge [20:02] <crits> WHOOT [20:02] <LacewingFlies> Hi crits! [20:02] <Sejo_Apex> everything written is subjective [20:02] <crits> hi lace [20:02] <Sejo_Apex> except facts [20:02] <Narya> Born of hostility between them from the first year [20:02] <Sejo_Apex> cold hard facts [20:02] <crits> i don't need a account [20:02] <crits> i'm so happy [20:02] <crits> smile [20:02] <tbunny> what does that show about sirius though..? [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> back to Sirius.... [20:02] <magicmeg8> tonight we're talking about sirius, btw, crits [20:03] <crits> ok [20:03] <Aislinn> yes - good idea [20:03] <Narya> The only facts about Sirius are what we have from JKR herself [20:03] <LacewingFlies> true [20:03] <crits> so true [20:03] <LacewingFlies> but we can draw some conclusions on our own [20:03] <Narya> yes, we can [20:03] <LacewingFlies> from what we know [20:03] *** Akiko has quit [Bye] [20:03] <crits> what i think is insteresting about him [20:03] <crits> is his motorbike [20:03] <tbunny> do we know why snape and sirius hate each other so much? (I can't remember....) [20:03] <crits> yes [20:04] <crits> because of james [20:04] <magicmeg8> Well, we do have the memory, tams [20:04] <Narya> Snape is immersed in the Dark Arts [20:04] <LacewingFlies> They are opposite [20:04] <Poet> Was Sirius "drunken" with revenge and arrogance to so flippently give Snape info about the Whomping Willow? [20:04] <tbunny> yes but he hated him before that.. ohh the dark arts [20:04] <Narya> Sirius and James hated the Dark Arts [20:04] <Aislinn> and Sirius has deliberately turned his back on those beliefs [20:04] <LacewingFlies> they did [20:04] <magicmeg8> right [20:04] <Narya> No, don't think so, Poet. Just very arrogant. And reckless. [20:04] <LacewingFlies> yes [20:04] <tbunny> maybe James hated the dark arts because sirius did [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if Snape and Regulus were friends, and that helped fuel the fire between Snape and Sirius [20:04] <Narya> He didn't think the thing through [20:04] <magicmeg8> possibly, tams [20:05] <LacewingFlies> no, I think that James hated the dark arts all by himself [20:05] <Aislinn> possible sooner [20:05] <magicmeg8> that's an interesting thought, sooner [20:05] <Narya> I think James and Sirius were pretty intense in their dislike for the Dark arts [20:05] <LacewingFlies> that would bee interesting, sooner [20:05] <magicmeg8> never considered that [20:05] <crits> bye lace, i don't get this [20:05] <LacewingFlies> Bye crits [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> I think he thought it would be a proper comeuppance for sneaking, snooping Snape [20:05] *** crits has quit [Bye] [20:05] <Narya> Maybe we'll see more of that, Sooner [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> he would see where constant snooping got him [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> Imagine how insulting that would be to Sirius [20:06] <LacewingFlies> Regulus was younger... but that doesn't necesarily mean that they weren't friends [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> by only a couple of years at the most [20:06] *** LJ has joined #lounge [20:06] <LacewingFlies> yeah [20:06] <Narya> Doesn't, no. It's possible. Both Slytherins [20:06] <Sejo_Apex> theres nothing that says they hated eachother [20:06] <tbunny> thats a good point Sooner. And it is commented that Snape hung out with future death eaters [20:06] <LacewingFlies> good point Narya [20:06] <magicmeg8> true, tams [20:06] *** Priscilla has quit [Bye] [20:06] <LacewingFlies> But it means they wouldn't have known eachother at the beginning [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> 'I still think Snaoe had something to do with the RAB ncident [20:07] <Aislinn> it does seem likely that they would have hung out in the same crowd [20:07] <Sejo_Apex> and if RAB is regulus, then maybe they were a little closer than we thought [20:07] <LacewingFlies> I wouldn't be surprised at all [20:07] <Narya> The "gang" of Slytherins [20:07] <LacewingFlies> You know- that would be very interesting! [20:07] <magicmeg8> so regulus and snape could have been friends which may have created a greater divide between sirius and snape, as was mentioned earlier [20:07] <LacewingFlies> It would tie everything together in a way [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> yes meg, that's exactl what I suspect [20:07] <tbunny> So theres a chance that Regulus and Snape were in the same group, and in Slytherin then Snape would have had waaay more influence over regulus than sirius had [20:08] <Sejo_Apex> but then why (assuming regulu is RAB) did Regulus betary Voldy [20:08] <LacewingFlies> that would be true tbunnny- especially being older [20:08] <Narya> We're veering off Sirius now, I think!! [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea sejo [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, lets get back on Sirius [20:08] <tbunny> Hmmm is it likely that sirus and snape would have met before hogwarts? [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> not very [20:08] <Narya> Don't think so [20:08] <Narya> Their parents wouldn't move in the same circles [20:09] <magicmeg8> i don't think so either, tams -- the blacsk were purebloods [20:09] <tbunny> I always wonder how much the established magical families intermingle outside of hogwarts [20:09] <Aislinn> you don't think so? [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> because the Blacks were pureblood and Snape was raised in a muggle town [20:09] <LacewingFlies> snape was half-blood [20:09] <Aislinn> ah [20:09] <Narya> Unlikely to have anything in common - especially the b [20:09] <magicmeg8> yeah, i agree [20:09] <Narya> Blacks were pureblood prejudiced [20:09] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [20:10] <tbunny> ahhh true. Sorry, I had a mindblank and forgot that [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if James and Sirius met before school [20:10] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> that's possible [20:10] <Narya> Possible, but I tend to imagine them meeting on the train like Harry and Ron did [20:10] <Aislinn> so, how about if we delve into Sirius' animagus form a bit [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> the loyal dog [20:10] *** potterhead08 has joined #lounge [20:11] <Narya> The dog being an extension of himself [20:11] *** Priscilla has joined #lounge [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> pretty much tells about his character, doesnt it? [20:11] <Aislinn> do we have any idea who of the maurauders might have initiated the work on becoming animagi? [20:11] <Narya> It does, Sooner [20:11] <tbunny> it's on the Black family crest isn't it? [20:11] <Narya> Sirius and James between them, I bet [20:11] *** Punky has joined #lounge [20:11] <Poet> Obviously Padfoot and Prongs together were strong enough to keep Mooney from hurting anyone [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> what do you mean Ais? [20:11] <ProngsPatronus> Lupin was half-blood, though [20:12] <Aislinn> I just wonder whose idea it was to try [20:12] <Aislinn> its supposed to be really hard, and risky [20:12] <Narya> Sirius more likely than James [20:12] <magicmeg8> i'd think it'd be sirius's personally [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I would say a tossup between Sirius and James [20:12] <Narya> the risk would have appealed [20:12] <potterhead08> Does anyone believe sirius will come back in some way? [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> no [20:12] <Narya> No [20:12] <Sejo_Apex> no [20:12] <Sejo_Apex> never [20:12] <LacewingFlies> no [20:12] <Poet> Aislinn - could one of the foursome known of an animagus in their own family history and that gave them the idea? [20:12] <Narya> Although he lives on in Harry's heart, and in Remus as well [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think James would have figured out how to do it, but the idea would ahve come from Sirius [20:12] <LacewingFlies> mabye behind the veil thought [20:12] <Aislinn> that's an interesting thought, poet! [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't think it would have mattered [20:13] <magicmeg8> yeah, poet! [20:13] <tbunny> I think we'll hear something of him.. lke a letter or something left in grimwald place [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> no, sadly [20:13] <Narya> Unlikely in Sirius's family [20:13] *** potterhead08 has quit [Bye] [20:13] <Narya> More likely in James [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> McGonagall gave them the idea [20:13] <Narya> Transfiguration lessons [20:13] <Aislinn> The animagus that someone becomes seems to say something about that person’s personality. What does the fact that Sirius’ animagus form is a dog say about him? [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> because she is an animagus [20:13] <Sejo_Apex> loyalty of course [20:14] *** nijolijo has joined #lounge [20:14] <Narya> He has a laugh like a bark; he is loyal; looks fierce but looks are deceptive [20:14] <magicmeg8> true, narya [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Besides the loyalty, it also ties into his name and the family emblem [20:14] <Narya> He is a protector [20:14] <tbunny> I think it's mostly the fact that he's loyal, although that his animagus is the same animal as on the family crest... thats interesting. [20:14] <Poet> MGonagall usually shows them her transformation at the beginning of 2nd year I believe? No one claps when she shows Harry's class. [20:14] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, with the dog star connection [20:14] <LacewingFlies> 3rd year I think [20:14] <tbunny> I think the name came after the animagus form.. when Jo was creating him [20:15] *** crits has joined #lounge [20:15] <crits> back [20:15] <Poet> So they knew about animagus no later than age 12 I believe [20:15] <LacewingFlies> hi crits [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> dogs are pack animals--social beings [20:15] <nijolijo> hey guys [20:15] <crits> hi [20:15] <LacewingFlies> or 13 [20:15] <Sejo_Apex> toujours pur [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> they are terribly unhappy alone [20:15] <LacewingFlies> But they could have read about it [20:15] <Narya> I bet they would have found out everything they could about them [20:15] <magicmeg8> hi nijo smile we're discussing sirius tonight [20:15] <LacewingFlies> it's not exactly a secret [20:15] <Aislinn> right prongs [20:15] <crits> so......... [20:15] <Poet> We are discussing Sirius Black [20:15] <Aislinn> which could be part of his unhappiness at Grimmauld place [20:15] <LacewingFlies> Hermione knew about it before they learned about it in class [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but that's Hermione....lol [20:16] <magicmeg8> yes, but it is illegal to be an unregistered animagus [20:16] <LacewingFlies> yeah- lol [20:16] <magicmeg8> smile [20:16] <crits> did u notice [20:16] <LacewingFlies> but they were'nt dumb [20:16] <crits> that when harry thought [20:16] <crits> sirius was a criminal [20:16] <tbunny> yes but I get teh feeling Sirius'es family didn't care much about the laws [20:16] <Narya> Sirius and James would have read everything they could lay their hands on [20:16] <LacewingFlies> James and Sirius were smart, but unmotivated [20:16] <crits> his animagus seemed dark [20:16] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:16] <Narya> Motivated by mischief [20:16] <nijolijo> i agree [20:16] <magicmeg8> i agree tams -- sirius would have been up for the rist [20:16] <magicmeg8> *risk [20:16] <LacewingFlies> ya [20:17] <crits> i'm lost again [20:17] <Narya> And very intelligent as well [20:17] <LacewingFlies> I meant not motivated academically [20:17] <magicmeg8> motivated to care for their friend as well [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> the risk would what would've made it fun smile [20:17] <magicmeg8> crits -- we're talking about sirius' animagus form [20:17] <LacewingFlies> well said! [20:17] <crits> k [20:17] <Narya> Not because they wanted to be, but they were extremely intelligent [20:17] <magicmeg8> smile [20:17] *** nijolijo has quit [Bye] [20:17] *** Yes has joined #lounge [20:17] <crits> it seems to me that when harry thought sirius was a criminal his form was much darker, and meaner [20:17] <tbunny> yeah crits- I think thats showing how harry viewed the unknown danger, and then once they knew him he wasn't a grim, he was "snuffle" [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> brb....gotta get more coffee [20:18] <Yes> Hey this is luna2 [20:18] <crits> yeah [20:18] <magicmeg8> i agree crits [20:18] <tbunny> *"snuffles" [20:18] <crits> hi luna [20:18] <Yes> I know, I know.. I have a strange name [20:18] <Aislinn> hi luna [20:18] <Yes> I dont know what I was thinking [20:18] <magicmeg8> hi yes, we'retalking about sirius tonight smile [20:18] <magicmeg8> lol [20:18] <Yes> Hi you ugys [20:18] <Yes> guys [20:18] <Yes> I need to go [20:18] <Yes> see ya [20:18] <crits> bye [20:18] <crits> thanks for coming [20:18] *** Yes has quit [Bye] [20:18] <Poet> snuff = die ? [20:19] <crits> sooooo [20:19] <Aislinn> ooh, that never occurred to me [20:19] <magicmeg8> Crits -- i think harry's view of sirius in his animagi form is intersting [20:19] <Narya> Snuffles - like the noise a dog makes when it's sniffing around [20:19] <magicmeg8> me either, poet [20:19] <crits> yeah [20:19] <crits> it seems to me [20:19] <crits> that later, he was a happy dog [20:19] <Aislinn> I loved the image of snuffles cavorting around the group as they made their way to platform 9 3/4 - JKR captured the dog quality well [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I still love the scene when Sirius sees Harry off to school [20:19] <Narya> So did I, Aislinn [20:20] <magicmeg8> lol me too sooner [20:20] <crits> yep, that scene rocks [20:20] <Narya> Typical of his personality [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> lol...Aislinn and I posted that at the same time [20:20] <Aislinn> LOL [20:20] <magicmeg8> As an animagi, sirius was free to roam undetected: Should Sirius have been kept "prisoner" of Grimmauld Place? [20:20] <tbunny> I think thats mostly because of the twist coming, and that Jo couldn't give it away. Also because Sirius was ragged and unballanced from being just out of azkaban [20:20] *** Punky has joined #lounge [20:20] <Narya> No, he shouldn't have been cooped up, but DD had no choice [20:20] <crits> what about his motorbike [20:21] <Aislinn> he did get recognized on the platform [20:21] <Aislinn> so it was a risk [20:21] <magicmeg8> yes [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> can you imagine how cool Sirius must have looked riding that thing? *sigh* [20:21] <crits> well [20:21] <crits> yeah [20:21] <magicmeg8> he couldn't have gone out and about as a dog after being foundout [20:21] <Narya> But a risk worth taking for Sirius because he loved Harry so much [20:21] <Aislinn> I wonder why Lucius would have known what his animagus form was? Did Snape tell him? [20:21] <crits> but where did he get it? [20:21] <tbunny> I see why he was. But it was also really horrible for him. You would think he could have stayed at teh burrow or something, and had a secret keeper for that too [20:21] <magicmeg8> i could see kreacher telling him, ais [20:21] <Narya> Probably guessed the form [20:21] <crits> ok, sticking to the animagi topic [20:21] <magicmeg8> that's true, tams [20:21] <Aislinn> I agree, tams. I think it was a mistake to keep him locked up [20:22] <Aislinn> it went against his very nature [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder why Sirius didn't just polyjiuce himself into somebody else [20:22] <magicmeg8> grimmauld place was a horrible place to be cooped up in [20:22] <tbunny> but obviously he was needed to be at the black house because he was the owner, and otherwise he would have been frustrated at being kept out of the loop [20:22] <Poet> Draco figured it out in my opinion. [20:22] <Narya> Would have needed to keep taking potion though [20:22] <Narya> Too much bother [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> just to go out for a little bit [20:22] <Aislinn> why would draco have figured it out poet? [20:22] <magicmeg8> exactly -- the burrow or some other location would have been too obvious [20:22] <Aislinn> he never struck me as the brightest bulb [20:22] <tbunny> Aislinn - I think that Snape told him [20:23] <crits> what about the dursley house? [20:23] <crits> why didn't sirius go there? [20:23] <Aislinn> yes, me too [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> haha...Sirius at the Dursley's [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> can you imagine? [20:23] *** Hedwigger7 has joined #lounge [20:23] <magicmeg8> i don' tthink that would have worked out very well [20:23] <crits> WEll... it's so ridiculus it might work [20:23] <Aislinn> that would have been quite the scene - Vernon and Sirius face to face [20:23] <crits> lol [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor>  [20:23] <Aislinn> hi, hedwigger! [20:23] <magicmeg8> lol crits. how do you think being cooped up affected sirius? [20:24] <magicmeg8> hey hedwigger smile [20:24] <crits> made his [20:24] <Narya> Made him miserable [20:24] <crits> Dignity drio [20:24] <crits> *drop [20:24] <Narya> Very depressed [20:24] <Aislinn> yes - depressed [20:24] <crits> and.... he felt the need of a risk [20:24] <Hedwigger7> Hi Aislinn! and Gang! [20:24] <crits> hi [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> the problem with the burrow would have been the MoM could have busted the Weasley's if they found out they were harboring a fugitive [20:24] <magicmeg8> right, sooner [20:25] <magicmeg8> so being cooped up made sirius anxious to risk something if the right chance came along [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> it was either live in caves or 12GP [20:25] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:25] <magicmeg8> true, sooner. [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think he should have polujuiced himself into some random muggle from time to time though [20:26] <Aislinn> it would have helped his mood [20:26] <Hedwigger7> Where are we here? Might I ak something? What do folks think of Sirius? And why? [20:26] <Aislinn> sure, hed - join in [20:26] <magicmeg8> yeah , feel free smile [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> right now, we are talking about the effects that being cooped up in 12GP had on Sirius [20:27] <magicmeg8> well, you bring up an interesting point hedwigger -- some people don't like sirius [20:27] <Hedwigger7> Ah, ok; mine was basic, but its because I'm torn about Sirius and would love to hear others opinions and explanations for how they respond to him. [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, are there any Sirius haters here? [20:27] <magicmeg8> how are you torn, hedwigger? [20:27] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [20:27] *** DorisTLC has joined #lounge [20:27] <LacewingFlies> hi doris [20:27] <DorisTLC> Hi everyone! [20:27] <magicmeg8> hey doris smile [20:28] <Sejo_Apex> no one hates sirius I just don't think he was purely good [20:28] <crits> hi doris [20:28] <Narya> Hi Doris [20:28] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:28] <crits> wb poet This post has been edited by Aislinn: Jun 26 2006, 07:47 PM --------------------  To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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[20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> why are you conflicted Hed?
[20:28] <DorisTLC> I love Sirius - but he's complicated [20:28] <Aislinn> let's let people answer for themselves, sejo smile [20:28] <Narya> No-one is good through and through [20:28] <magicmeg8> very true, doris [20:28] <Hedwigger7> Well, of course becasue he means so much to Harry I like him, but I'm one of those who is a bit fierce with the Marauders and Sirius is a is one of the main reasons... [20:28] <crits> but he tries his best [20:28] <Narya> His heart was in the right place [20:29] <DorisTLC> He does, but do you think that he is trying his best because of Harry, or because he is a good person? [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> Hi, Doris! [20:29] <Narya> Both, Doris [20:29] <crits> because of harry, but... he still is! [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think his heart was always in the right place, but that he lacked a lot of common sense [20:29] <Aislinn> he chose to turn away from the Dark Arts when he was just 11 - that says something about his character for me [20:29] <Poet> My personal opinion is that Sirius tried to be more cooperative for Harry's sake. [20:29] *** Lesstat has joined #lounge [20:29] <Narya> He loved Harry like his own ... and essentially he was a good person [20:30] <tbunny> I think he was a little selfish and blind, but his good qualitys outwiegh that [20:30] <magicmeg8> good point, ais [20:30] <Poet> Harry tempers Sirius, but only to a point. [20:30] <Hedwigger7> Wow, eleven? Where do we learn that? But what about his complete disregard for ole Sev and all that? [20:30] <DorisTLC> tbunny, when you say he was selfish, how do you mean [20:30] <Narya> No-one could ever truly tame Sirius, Poet [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> he was 11 when he was sorted into Gryffindor and basically turned his back on his family [20:30] <Narya> Not complete disregard. Just an arrogant phase. Born of mutual dislike [20:31] <Aislinn> his being chosen for Gryffindor, his befriending of James [20:31] <Aislinn> their mutual expressed hatred of the dark arts [20:31] <crits> gryffidor doesn't mean u dislike the dark arts [20:31] <tbunny> Hmmm I think he was selfish untentionally, by not thinking things through or how his actions could affect others [20:31] <Narya> Part of being reckless and arrogant [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, that lack of common sense thing [20:31] <Aislinn> sure, he was rash as a kid [20:31] <magicmeg8> good point crits, but i sirius hated them [20:32] <crits> yep, he did [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Sirius thought he was larger than life, like the way a lot of kids think [20:32] <Narya> yes, Sooner [20:32] <Hedwigger7> I agree tbun; and always get into a knot about everyone's (pardon me) effusiveness about The Marauders... And Sirius never seemes to have cared about sending Snape to the Womping Tree... [20:32] <crits> well, exactly, he WAs a kid, a teenage boy, does any child think things out? [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> sadly, I don't think he ever grew out of that [20:33] <Aislinn> I think he probably started to, but then got sent to Azkhaban [20:33] <crits> course he grew! [20:33] <Narya> He never lost his reckless streak, but it was tempered by his incarceration in Azkaban [20:33] <Hedwigger7> Perhaps stunted by that long stay in Azcaban? [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so [20:33] <crits> yep [20:33] <tbunny> I mean now. [20:34] <Poet> So Sooner, perhaps Sirius never had his false perspective of his position in the world smashed by the typical dulldrums of adult life (working, paying bills, etc.) [20:34] <crits> but NOW, he was willing to stay at grimmuald place, though he hated and despised it for the good of the order [20:34] <DorisTLC> Do you see that reckless streak as having effected Harry. [20:34] <crits> DOESN"T THAT COUNT FOR SOMETHING? [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Poet I think that's accurate [20:34] <Hedwigger7> Actually one wonders if Harry would go the way of Sirius, well meaning but essentially emotionally stunted. [20:34] <magicmeg8> good point crits [20:34] <crits> thank u [20:34] <Narya> Harry's nature is different, though [20:34] <crits> yeah, harry is carfull [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Harry was already more mature than Sirius in PoA [20:35] <Aislinn> he is already beyond Sirius as far as emotions go [20:35] <tbunny> he did Crits, but he also told harry more than he needed to know - and KNEW harry would dig away at what little he was told, that undermined dumbledores intent for hte order [20:35] <Sejo_Apex> Yeah, Sirius persuaded Harry to take risks he wouln't have normally [20:35] <Narya> Yes, he was - and that is understandable - Sirius had just escaped [20:35] <crits> So? [20:35] <crits> harry had a right to know, DD was hiding things from him [20:35] <Hedwigger7> Yes, agree Harry doesn't have that wild streak -- or arrogance. [20:35] <magicmeg8> well, opinions vary on that point, crits [20:35] <Narya> He does have both - but in lower doses [20:36] <tbunny> I agree Sejo- thats what i mean about Sirius being selfish. He only wanted harry to take risks when the risks suited sirius [20:36] <Poet> Harry's most reckless phase is interspersed with his visits to Grimmauld. It's a plot devise - a great one though smile [20:36] <Aislinn> and he seems to think of other's feeling more readily hed [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> much lower doses smile [20:36] <crits> but he has curisity, which leads to recklessness sometimes [20:36] <Narya> Good point Poet [20:36] <Hedwigger7> Agreed Nar and Ais. [20:36] <Sejo_Apex> Sirius was funloving, bold and reckless, and sometimes egged Harry on to do things in school (by letter or Floo powder-talk) that would be considered risky [20:37] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [20:37] <DorisTLC> Good point crits. This recklessness, is it something Harry admires? [20:37] <tbunny> Crits- whether or not sirius knew that voldemorte could be attempting to enter Harrys mind or not he should have known there was a good reason that Dumbledore hadn't told harry those things [20:37] <Narya> To a certain extent, Doris [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't think that Harry does value recklessness [20:37] *** LJ has joined #lounge [20:37] <Narya> Sirius wanted to protect Harry, though, tbunny [20:37] <Sejo_Apex> Its kinda like Sirius persuaded Harry to live the kind of life sirius would have liked to have lived if he hadn't gone to azkaban [20:37] <Narya> Harry is a bit reckless himself - [20:37] <crits> i think that harry did admire sirius, though maybe not the recklessness [20:38] <Aislinn> when he has a goal in mind, yes, narya [20:38] <Sejo_Apex> but sirius just fueled the fire [20:38] <Hedwigger7> Yes, Sejo; always thought it was kind of sad that Sirius kind of wanted Harry to be James... [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> But Harry's is more of a calculated risk in response to a crisis [20:38] <Narya> He didn't, I think ... he knew the difference between them [20:38] <tbunny> yes, but he also encouraged him to take risks, and like Sejo says fueld his curiosty about what was going on that year [20:38] <crits> well, couldn't that be a good thing? [20:38] <Sejo_Apex> sirius goes in with guns blaring, harry decides his options before going in with guns blaring [20:38] <Narya> Harry would have taken the risks anyway, he always has that in him [20:39] <Aislinn> right sooner [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> very good analogy sejo [20:39] <Sejo_Apex> but sirius fueled that risk fir even more [20:39] <Narya> Kindred spirits [20:39] <crits> bye all [20:39] *** crits has quit [Bye] [20:39] <Hedwigger7> Bye crits. [20:39] <tbunny> and i don't think sirius told him that simply because he honestly thought that harry needed to know- he did it because he wanted to regain some control in his life- and that was a little thing he could do to make himself feel like he wasn't completely ruled by others. [20:39] <Narya> Harry took a huge risk going to the MoM - nothing would have stopped him# [20:40] <Sejo_Apex> But why was he going to MoM - Sirius [20:40] <Narya> To save Sirius [20:40] <Aislinn> he is very single minded when he is protecting others [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry's risk was out of concern for someone he loved- [20:40] <Hedwigger7> Yes, tbun, and there continues to be a kind of recklessness about that... [20:40] <Aislinn> or thinks he is [20:40] <Narya> yes [20:40] <Narya> But out of love and loyalty, just as Sirius did for Harry [20:40] <Narya> The risk was worth taking [20:40] <magicmeg8> very true narya [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> so Harry is just as daring, but he has a maturity about it [20:41] <Narya> A bit more maturity, yes [20:41] *** Priscilla has quit [Bye] [20:41] <Narya> And Sirius probably would have had that too, if it hadn't been for Azkaban [20:41] <magicmeg8> yes -- i do think harry's a bit more mature in the respect of thinking about his options [20:41] <Aislinn> I think Harry's risks are usually for pretty altruistic reasons - Sirius, not always [20:41] <tbunny> exactly my point. Sometimes sirius just does things and doesn't think, which can be selfish. but i agree that when Harry does things he mainly thinks he's doing them for others [20:42] <Narya> Sirius does have a big heart though - that fuels the altruism [20:42] <Narya> Sirius loved James and Lily - he would have done anything to protect tehm [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I still see Harry as being much more mature than Sirius--who IMO has a Peter Pan complex [20:42] <ProngsPatronus> Sirius has been locked up with himself for many years [20:42] <Aislinn> I'm thinking of the time he tried to get Harry to agree to meet him in Hogsmeade during OotP - not altruistic in that case [20:42] <Hedwigger7> Like that one Sooner! [20:42] <Poet> Why wasn't there a memorial service for Sirius? I think he's gone and not returning, but still I wish they would have done something. [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks smile [20:42] <Narya> An attempt to capture his youth again which was stolen from him [20:43] <ProngsPatronus> that does not help one thing of others readily [20:43] <tbunny> anyway I'd better go and do some work. Have fun! [20:43] *** tbunny has quit [Bye] [20:43] <magicmeg8> Will Sirius's part in Harry's life be important to Book 7? How so? [20:43] <Narya> Very important - love defines Harry [20:43] <Aislinn> I wonder if there will be some communication across the veil [20:43] <Aislinn> will the mirror come into play? [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> It will be one of the people's memories that he is fighting for [20:43] <Hedwigger7> The willing to sacrifice, echoed from Lily to James to Sirius will certainly weigh heavily. [20:44] <Narya> I wonder that too, Aislinn [20:44] <Narya> And the mirror, and the sacrifice aspect [20:44] <magicmeg8> i feel like the mirror was noted in the book for some reason [20:44] <Hedwigger7> Yes, it has to! (even if Bk 7 is 2000 pages long to squeeze it in!) [20:44] <Aislinn> me too, meg [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder when Harry will remember the mirror? [20:44] <LJ> Didn't JKR mention that the Mirror would be seen again? Or did she say a mirror what play a part? [20:44] <magicmeg8> lol hed [20:44] <Narya> She did [20:44] <magicmeg8> oh, good. i hadn't realized that, laurie [20:44] <LJ> *would [20:45] <magicmeg8> do you think in that case, harry might contact sirius for help? [20:45] <LJ> it was in the Melissa/Emerson interview [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe not help, but maybe for understanding? [20:45] <Narya> If he repairs the mirror, there might be a way, but Sirius needs the other one of the pair [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> so do we think that Sirius has the other mirror? [20:46] <magicmeg8> true. maybe the mirrors can be used in another way [20:46] <Narya> Possible, but someone else could have it [20:46] <Hedwigger7> Understanding what sooner? What do you think Sirius could pass on that would help Harry? [20:46] <magicmeg8> no sure, sooner. it's a definite possiblity [20:46] <Poet> Yes LJ, but the quote is not lengthy nor very revealing [20:46] <Aislinn> we have about 15 minutes left, folks [20:46] <LacewingFlies> ok [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Stil not sure where I am going with that thought, Hed...let me think on it some more [20:47] <LacewingFlies> The mirror? [20:47] <Narya> Understanding of himself, maybe ... Sooner? [20:47] <Hedwigger7> ok! (can't do smileys, but insert one ehre : ) ) [20:47] <magicmeg8> yes, LW [20:47] <LacewingFlies> If somehow the other one begins to work [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> understanding the veil [20:47] <LJ> that's exactly what Jo is like, hints at things but never gives enough to form conclusions [20:47] <Hedwigger7> Oooh, I like that Sooner! [20:47] <Narya> Coming to terms with death? [20:47] <Aislinn> maybe Harry can find the mirror at Grimmauld place, and fling it through the veil? [20:48] <LacewingFlies> We're definately learning more about the veil in 7 [20:48] <Narya> Maybe [20:48] <Hedwigger7> Ditto Narya [20:48] <magicmeg8> i agree law [20:48] <magicmeg8> or i'd hope so [20:48] <LacewingFlies> There's been this whole thing of life after death in the books [20:48] <Poet> Though it would be awkward to duel with the mirror in his possession, he had to travel to the Ministry and may have been checking the mirror the whole way - like one would try to call someone on a cell phone biggrin [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> can't wait to hear more about the vei [20:48] <Narya> Good point Poet [20:48] <Hedwigger7> Did JKR say for sure we would learn about the veil? [20:48] <magicmeg8> that'd be cool, poet [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> hehe, maybe they could text each other on the mirror? [20:48] <LacewingFlies> Dumbeldore's said so much about death [20:48] <Narya> Not for sure, no - but there are hints [20:48] <Aislinn> I haven't seen a quote on that, hed [20:48] <LacewingFlies> that woudl be funny [20:49] <magicmeg8> me either [20:49] <Narya> Luna hinted at it in OOtP and Luna is very perceptive and intuitive [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't think she said anything definite, but its such a fascinating object [20:49] <Hedwigger7> Ah yes Narya, there were those hints. [20:49] <LacewingFlies> I see the veil as a passageway between life and death [20:49] <magicmeg8> true, narya -- i feel like that hasn't been explained enough -- but it seems too important not to address [20:49] <Narya> And Harry has more understanding of death now that DD is gone [20:50] <LacewingFlies> and those who are specially atuned with death can hear voices [20:50] <Aislinn> good point, narya [20:50] <Narya> Yes, very important meg [20:50] <Hedwigger7> I do get a real sense that Sirius will make some kind of reappearance to guide Harry at a crucial moment in #7. [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, and that's where I think Sirius might help Harry, because he didn't die in the tradtional way, but passed through the veil [20:50] <Narya> In Harry's heart or his dreams, even [20:50] <magicmeg8> i agree hed - any particular reason why? [20:50] <LacewingFlies> JKR said that there was a reason that she had to kill him [20:50] <magicmeg8> interesting, sooner [20:50] <Narya> Because Harry needs to go on alone [20:50] <LacewingFlies> He does [20:50] <magicmeg8> true [20:50] <Aislinn> except he's not alone [20:51] <Hedwigger7> Maybe because he never knew his parents and Sirius is a real tangible link to them -- someone he knew, so...I don't know, has more connection with? [20:51] <Narya> No, of course he's not - but metaphorically speaking he is [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Weird how Harry has had to personally witness everyone important in his life dying [20:51] <Narya> Sirius is one link to the past - but there are two other living links [20:51] <Poet> Harry has seen 3 people die now? Will Sirius' death help Harry be less afraid of doing what's right in the face of possible death? [20:51] <magicmeg8> maybe hedwig -- his connection to sirius is one to his parents, and to therir love [20:52] <Narya> Yes, I think so Poet [20:52] <Narya> Harry is not afraid [20:52] <LacewingFlies> Yes- DD always told Harry not to fear death [20:52] <Aislinn> agreed, narya [20:52] <Poet> I'd forgotten that Lacewing! Yes, Sirius had a reason behind his death. [20:52] <magicmeg8> no, i think harry is better able to see what must be done [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> This has been a good discussion...is there any way to get a transcript of it? [20:52] <magicmeg8> i mean yes, sorry [20:52] <Aislinn> it will be posted sooner [20:52] <Hedwigger7> Yes meg; and also Narya, Harry is kind of (scarily) fearless and in some ways maybe resigned about death? If he has to, I mean... [20:52] <LacewingFlies> She had said that we'd find out in 6 or 7 - must be 7 now [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> where? [20:53] <Narya> Oh, fearless, yes - I agree [20:53] <Narya> Resigned ... hmm [20:53] <Aislinn> he does seem pretty fatalistic about it, doesn't he hed? [20:53] <LJ> In the Bulletin Board Sooner [20:53] <Narya> He wouldn't worry about dying [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks [20:53] <Hedwigger7> Yea Ais, its kind of sad in someone so young... [20:53] <LacewingFlies> No- I don't think Harry will be afraid of death [20:53] <Narya> Not resigned, though - does that make sense? He doesn't want to die, but will if he has to [20:53] <Aislinn> I agree [20:53] <LJ> this discussion will also continue in the Chaamber of Chat when this ends [20:53] <Hedwigger7> Ditto [20:53] <LacewingFlies> I think he would be more afraid of one of his friends dying [20:54] <Narya> Yes, LF [20:54] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree [20:54] <Hedwigger7> Gosh, sorry I got in so late but got caught up with Bette Davis movies... ; ) [20:54] <Narya> But more determined because of it as well [20:54] <LacewingFlies> Yes [20:54] <Narya> smile [20:54] <magicmeg8> ok everyone, 5 minutes left. final thoughts? [20:54] <Hedwigger7> Nice chatting! [20:54] <LacewingFlies> There's probably some Regulus-Snape connection [20:54] <gryffindelle> yeah [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, where will the motorcycle turn up? [20:55] <Hedwigger7> Ha! Yea Sooner! That bike! [20:55] <Poet> http://www.chamberofchat.com [20:55] <Narya> Those mirrors definitely come into play [20:55] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [20:55] <Aislinn> Harry needs to talk to Hagrid to find out more about the bike, and maybe Sirius [20:55] <LacewingFlies> why else would she have invented them? [20:55] <Narya> He also needs to talk to Remus [20:55] <Hedwigger7> Exactly. [20:55] <magicmeg8> i think sirius will definitely be present in some way [20:55] <Aislinn> yes narya [20:56] <ProngsPatronus> I think the scene of the crime will leave some valuable clues [20:56] <LacewingFlies> She had a reason for killing him [20:56] <Hedwigger7> Well, everyone will contribute in #7. [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, can't wait to see GH [20:56] <Hedwigger7> Ouch LW [20:56] <LacewingFlies> He should go back to the DoM [20:56] <LacewingFlies> Well, it's true! [20:56] <Aislinn> yes, prongs - Godric's Hollow will be fascinating [20:56] <Hedwigger7> I know... but it sounds cold! [20:56] <LacewingFlies> I can't wait for that [20:56] <magicmeg8>  [20:56] <magicmeg8> biggrin [20:56] <Narya> He will go back [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> R.I.P. Sirius [20:57] <Hedwigger7> Me either [20:57] <Narya> And he also needs to talk to Snape [20:57] <LacewingFlies> definately [20:57] <Hedwigger7> Not before he talks to harry one more time! [20:57] <Narya> About Sirius and other things!!! [20:57] <Narya> biggrin [20:57] <Aislinn> quite a tragic figure - it makes me sad to think of Sirius' abbreviated lie [20:57] <Aislinn> life [20:57] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [20:57] <Hedwigger7> lol Ais [20:57] <Narya> But he lived it well, Aislinn [20:57] <magicmeg8> me too [20:57] <Poet> Back to Grimmauld Place too [20:57] <LacewingFlies> he did [20:57] <LacewingFlies> oh yes [20:58] <LacewingFlies> Harry owns it now, after all [20:58] <LacewingFlies> It could be very useful [20:58] <Aislinn> absolutely [20:58] <Narya> Could hold more secrets [20:58] <LacewingFlies> the locket! [20:58] <Aislinn> the locket? [20:58] <Narya> biggrin [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> ow, where did the last 2 hours go? [20:58] <LacewingFlies> The horcrux-locket [20:58] <Aislinn> always flies! [20:58] <Hedwigger7> Yea, darn it... [20:58] <Aislinn> smile [20:58] <Narya> Aberforth has that one [20:58] <LacewingFlies> probably horcrux-locket [20:58] <LacewingFlies> oh right [20:58] <magicmeg8> ahahaha sooner, this has been a really great chat! [20:59] <LacewingFlies> yes! [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> [20:59] <Hedwigger7> Thanks afor a good (if short on my end) chat folks! [20:59] <Narya> Great chatting with you all smile [20:59] <LacewingFlies> Come to the CoC I'll be there! [20:59] <Aislinn> its been great! [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> awesome chatting with y'all [20:59] <Hedwigger7> (what's next week's topic?) [20:59] <Aislinn> tell your friends to come next week biggrin [20:59] <LacewingFlies> ok [20:59] <Aislinn> um - good question, hed [20:59] <Hedwigger7> ; ) [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I have an idea....Lupin!!!!! [21:00] <LJ> it'll be posted in the Calendar soon [21:00] <Aislinn> it will be announced in the calendar [21:00] <LacewingFlies> We could have a Marauders series [21:00] *** Lesstat has quit [Bye] [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely [21:00] <Hedwigger7> Yea, Lupin! [21:00] <magicmeg8> definitely check your calendars. great job everyone! [21:00] <Hedwigger7> See y'all then! Ciao! [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks meg [21:00] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [21:00] <Aislinn> well, we did do Peter last week, so that would make sense smile [21:01] <LacewingFlies> bye [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> bye all [21:01] *** Hedwigger7 left #lounge [] [21:01] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [21:01] <LJ> bye everyone, great discussion [21:01] <magicmeg8> bye! [21:01] <Aislinn> bye all! 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