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[19:40] <kadi> i'm having a great convo about lupin...with myself
[19:40] <LJ> thanks [19:40] <Aislinn> hahaha [19:40] <TheGuruOfSloth> it's Chamber 8's better half! [19:40] <LJ> Hi J [19:40] <magicmeg8> haha kadi -- yeah, we're on about lupin. [19:40] <tbunny> awww meg it'll be okay. Oh is lupin the topic? it didn't tell me when i joined.. [19:40] <kadi> i tried, lol [19:40] <magicmeg8> 'cause he's rockin' [19:41] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah, it didn't tell me either i don't think [19:41] <LJ> Tams, thought you was working? [19:41] <magicmeg8> yeah -- the booth has a bit of a cold [19:41] <Aislinn> kadi, I think that the whole Harry has to go on alone thing has a lot to do with why Lupin is portrayed as closer to him [19:41] <tbunny> I could say some stuff about Lupin, but you might not appreciate it. I tend to get uhh overly creative [19:41] <magicmeg8> lol tams [19:41] <TheGuruOfSloth> try us! [19:41] <kadi> no don't try us [19:41] <kadi> really jason [19:41] <Aislinn> go for it tams [19:41] <tbunny> I was working. now I'm have a few minutes break, mummy Laurie. [19:41] <kadi>  [19:41] <LJ> ok [19:41] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [19:42] <Aislinn> welcome back, cedrella [19:42] <CedrellaBlack> thanks [19:42] <magicmeg8> haha -- i do think lupin's going to fight fenrir -- it just makes sense. [19:42] <tbunny> so where were you up to in your discussion about Lupin? [19:42] <kadi> aislinn-- you mean if lupin were closer to harry then she'd be obligated to kill him off? [19:42] <TheGuruOfSloth> are we supposed to talk about Lupin then? [19:42] <kadi> hi cedrella [19:42] <magicmeg8> lol yes jason [19:42] <TheGuruOfSloth> k (sorry) [19:42] <Aislinn> sorry - I meant the reason they are NOT closer is because Harry can't be connected to any adults anymore [19:42] <kadi> right [19:42] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah, I can see that, Aislinn [19:43] <magicmeg8> i still lurve you jason! true, ais. [19:43] *** bitznbats has joined #lounge [19:43] <TheGuruOfSloth> aww! *blushes* [19:43] <tbunny> I agree, Aislinn. Otherwise Harry would lean on him too much and that would defeat the whole point of Harry being independant [19:43] <kadi> i was surprised at the end of HBP that no one thought of our good snape theory [19:43] <CedrellaBlack> what was it? [19:43] <kadi> i didn't think lupin would just take it at face value [19:44] <kadi> how snape is really a good guy [19:44] <kadi> unless he isn't... [19:44] <TheGuruOfSloth> do you think it might just be a personality thing too? obviously they get along well, but maybe Lupin's a little hesitant to get too close... [19:44] <TheGuruOfSloth> he has lost all of his other friends, after all [19:44] <kadi> i think he's too standoffish [19:44] <CedrellaBlack> i think he is haveb't lost faith in him yet...hes one of my favorite characters...WAY more to him than meets the eye [19:44] <kadi> i think he may be a valuable resource of info [19:45] <kadi> for harry at some point [19:45] <tbunny> Thats a good point. Maybe Lupin will doubt it by the beginning of the next book, after being fooled by pettigrew, he must be more suscpicious of everything [19:45] <bitznbats> but don't forget Lupin was a maurader and they have a lot of history with Snape [19:45] <magicmeg8> you mean because of his dada knowledge, kadi? [19:45] <Aislinn> that's a good point, guru [19:45] <kadi> summat like that megs [19:45] <kadi> i just think he'll have to play some critical role [19:45] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah, i think Lupin is still someone Harry and his friends can go to for help [19:45] <TheGuruOfSloth> but not rely on completely [19:45] <tbunny> or being a werewolf, or being a friend of his dad.. [19:45] <kadi> i think all the mauraders will ultimately help harry defeat voldy [19:46] <TheGuruOfSloth> hmmm... [19:46] <Aislinn> I think he doesn't want to get too close to anybody because of putting them in possible danger from his furry little problem [19:46] <TheGuruOfSloth> hehe, yeah [19:46] <magicmeg8> true, ais [19:46] <TheGuruOfSloth> we saw that with Tonks [19:46] <tbunny> (sorry Kadi I just got a mental image of the four marauders "powering up" like superheros) [19:46] <TheGuruOfSloth> he said it was the age thing... [19:46] <kadi> ohhh i have something i've always wondered about [19:46] <magicmeg8> what, kadi? [19:46] <CedrellaBlack> yes but at the end of HBP tonks and Lupin were holding hands [19:47] <TheGuruOfSloth> yep! so a persistent person can get through his defenses [19:47] <Aislinn> It was so great to see Tonk's hair pink again! [19:47] <kadi> does a werewolf have to see the moon to transform or does he transform as long as the moon is out-- like why didn't he transform in the shrieking shack-? [19:47] <TheGuruOfSloth> totally was!  [19:47] <CedrellaBlack> i know [19:47] *** kerrilynn has joined #lounge [19:47] <Aislinn> he didn't transform until the moon came out from behind the cloud, right? [19:48] <Aislinn> hi kerrilynn [19:48] <Aislinn> Just to back up a second, since we got a late start, I'll throw a little intro to Lupin out here [19:48] <kadi> it also says "i can curl up under my desk harmelessly" or summat like that-- does he stay transformed the entire cycle-- like through the days as well-- like in PoA he doesn't come to the christmats dinner b.c he's "too ill" [19:48] *** kerrilynn has quit [Connection reset by peer] [19:48] <tbunny> I think its a direct moonlight thing Kadi.. [19:48] *** bitznbats has quit [Bye] [19:48] <tbunny> but also a "as it is convienant for hte story" thing [19:48] <Aislinn> Remus Lupin was introduced to us in PoA as the new DADA professor. We gradually learn that he not only knew Harry's dad, but was actually close friends with him. By the time we learn that he is a werewolf, we have already joined Harry in trusting him. After transforming at the end of the book, his secret is revealed to the school and he is forced to leave. The wizarding world fears and shuns werewolves, so from this point on, we find that Lupin has trouble making a living. He becomes a member of the Order of the Phoenix, and in the HBP, works undercover in the werewolf community. Changes are in store for Lupin by the end of the book, partly for being seen fighting on the side of the Order, as well as for a certain pink haired love interest. Lets discuss this fascinating character, and his role in the series. [19:48] <CedrellaBlack> also in the movie the full moon was behind the clouds and then when it came out...he became a werewolf...but i've lost faith in the movies [19:49] *** magicmeg8 has quit [Connection reset by peer] [19:49] *** magicmeg8 has joined #lounge [19:49] <LJ> he transformed when the Moon came from behind a cloud [19:49] <LJ> I think he has to see it, it has to shine on him directly? [19:49] <kadi> and he misses a class when snape teaches [19:49] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah, i think there has been some weird inconsistency about werewolves that i don't quite get [19:49] <TheGuruOfSloth> sometimes they speak of them as if they're always wolf-like [19:49] <TheGuruOfSloth> like running in packs [19:49] <TheGuruOfSloth> hiding in the forest... [19:49] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah, as far as figuring out details like this, the movies aren't much good [19:50] <TheGuruOfSloth> so couldn't he hide in the dungeon? [19:50] <kadi> then why not stay inside all the time laurie? [19:50] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah! [19:50] <tbunny> I think it's partially when it's convienant for the story [19:50] <TheGuruOfSloth> i think that may be it too, tams [19:50] <tbunny> Although you have to remember he is really worried about something going wrong and harming others [19:50] <kadi> mmm how often does the full moon cycle? [19:50] <magicmeg8> personally, i think he transfomed whenever the moon is out [19:50] <TheGuruOfSloth> 29-30 days i think [19:50] <CedrellaBlack> every 27 daysish [19:51] <TheGuruOfSloth> oh [19:51] <magicmeg8> yeah, about a month [19:51] <tbunny> so nights then meg? [19:51] <magicmeg8> yes [19:51] <Aislinn> it seems like he had to remove himself for the whole period of the full moon though [19:52] <tbunny> but if he went to the hospital wings etc during hte day during transformation time that could be because he bites and scratches himself [19:52] <kadi> so if he was taking the potion snape made him then during the christmas dinner (daytime) we can assume he was transformed but harmless right? [19:52] <CedrellaBlack> sorry to change the topic...but did anyone find it odd the way lupin acted at the end of HBP..if youve already talked about this sorry [19:52] <Aislinn> I think that was the theory kadi [19:52] <Aislinn> what do you mean, cedrella? [19:52] <tbunny> and if he looks like he gets mauled by a werewolf every month... well that would also be suspicious [19:52] <TheGuruOfSloth> Cedrella - go on... what was odd? [19:52] <kadi> or why would he have missed teaching a class or christmas [19:52] <kadi> mm alright so as long as the full moon day or night is out-- he is transformed [19:52] <LJ> when he was young Madam Pomfrey used to take im to the Whomping Willow ready to transform when the Moon was out, so yeah, it prob is whenver there is a full moon out? [19:53] <magicmeg8> i agree, laurie. the full moon doesn't last for very long -- i think only a few days or something. [19:53] <kadi> oh i felt the same way cedrella-- he just accepted it and said something about how they always trusted snape [19:53] <kadi> i wanted him to say "wait a second!" [19:53] <tbunny> I think it's when the moon is out, but because when he's alone and in vicious state he beats himself up, and also it probably does wear him out, transforming [19:53] <CedrellaBlack> He was extremely sad and i think it is also because DD is the only person who really fought for him and werewolf rights [19:54] <kadi> i'm aggravated he can't make the potion himself [19:54] <Aislinn> you'd think he would try to learn [19:54] <magicmeg8> wai, what exactly did you think was odd, ced? [19:54] <tbunny> it might be one of those ones which is poisonious if you get it wrong, and it is advanced potions... [19:54] <kadi> i'm aggravated he can't make the potion himself [19:54] <Aislinn> you'd think he would try to learn [19:54] <magicmeg8> wai, what exactly did you think was odd, ced? [19:54] <tbunny> it might be one of those ones which is poisonious if you get it wrong, and it is advanced potions... [19:55] <magicmeg8> i think so, tams -- it seems like a super-advanced potion [19:55] <tbunny> maybe theres even a legal requirement from the ministry that it be a potion master who makes it. I imagine that it could have the reverse effect if made improperly... maybe? [19:55] <CedrellaBlack> im looking for the quote in the book [19:55] <CedrellaBlack> because its hard to explain [19:55] <kadi> if he can become an animagus etc [19:55] <kadi> i'd say it's worth learning [19:55] <kadi> but you're right tams [19:55] <magicmeg8> ok ced smile [19:55] <magicmeg8> that's an interesting thought, tams [19:56] <tbunny> That would also allow the ministry to keep closer tabs on where the "tame werewolves" are, which Umbridge would like [19:56] <tbunny> anyway I'm going to return to my studying. Have fun! [19:56] <LJ> the potion is very complicated too, maybe he isn't as accomplished in potions as he is in other areas [19:56] <magicmeg8> true. bye tams! [19:56] <Aislinn> see ya, tams [19:56] <kadi> bye tamsy smile [19:56] <magicmeg8> that's what i'd thought, laurie [19:56] <Aislinn> we haven't seen him make a potion, have we? [19:56] *** tbunny left #lounge [] [19:57] <kadi> he should get on it [19:57] <LJ> bye Tams [19:57] <Aislinn> they made it sound like it took a real potions master to make it [19:57] <kadi> he was a prefect [19:57] <LJ> don't think so Ais [19:57] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:57] <Aislinn> hi NY! [19:57] <TheGuruOfSloth> so was ron... [19:57] <LJ> Hi [19:57] <magicmeg8> hey ny smile [19:57] <NYBookworm> hi [19:57] <kadi> that's true jas [19:57] <magicmeg8> lol true jason [19:57] <kadi> [19:57] <kadi> yeah how do they hand out those badges, lol [19:58] <TheGuruOfSloth> it's all Dumbledore, isn't it? [19:58] <LJ> didn't he say that he was prob made a prefect to try and "tame" Sirius and James? [19:58] <Aislinn> poor ron - underestimated again [19:58] <magicmeg8> yes, yes, i remember that, laurie [19:58] <TheGuruOfSloth> naw, Ron is great [19:58] <kadi> yes and he was a bookish one [19:58] <TheGuruOfSloth> but never good in potions... [19:58] <kadi> pfftt [19:58] <magicmeg8> lupin was the most responsible of all the marauders, it seems [19:59] <magicmeg8> do you think lupin cane be paralleled with hermione, almost? [19:59] <CedrellaBlack> "Ron--Dumbledore's dead" Said Ginny "No!" Lupin looked widly from Ginny to Harry, as though hoping the latter might contradict her, but when Harry did not, Lupin collapsed into a chair beside Bill's bed, his hands over his face. Harry had never seen Lupin lose control before; he felt as though he were intruding upon something private, indecent. [19:59] <LJ> and we don't know how many Gryffs were in their year, it may have just been the Marauders - so Lupin was prob best choice [19:59] <kadi> mm thanks ced [19:59] <kadi> i thought that was weird too [19:59] <Aislinn> I think that he was deeply shaken by the loss of someone as powerful and dear to all of them as Dumbledore was, ced [19:59] <magicmeg8> ahhhh, ok -- well, ced, i think that dumbldefore had done so much for lupin ... he'd helped him as a child, and kept the order together [19:59] <kadi> i suppose lupin and dd had a closer relationship we didn't know so much about [19:59] <magicmeg8> that was my first thought [20:00] <magicmeg8> i didn't really see it as an odd reaction. [20:00] <CedrellaBlack> yeah but i think it was a little out of character for Lupin, the first time we see his true colors really shine [20:00] <LJ> without DD Lupin would never have gone to school, he would have been a complete out-cast [20:01] <Aislinn> what do people see as being "in character" for Lupin? [20:01] <CedrellaBlack> no whomping willowsad [20:01] <magicmeg8> i really think it was to delve deeper into his character [20:01] <magicmeg8> he seems reserved, ais [20:01] <kadi> not so much out of character on that as completely accepting that snape killed DD [20:01] <CedrellaBlack> yeah i guess [20:01] <LJ> also, he may have been thinking about his werewolf mission, where to go from there etc. [20:01] <magicmeg8> yeah [20:01] <kadi> he didn't question it at all-- mcgonagall as well-- they were just "oh--well he's a jerk never liked him [20:01] <Aislinn> I would think it would shake the entire Order, as he was their leader [20:01] <magicmeg8> lol [20:02] <magicmeg8> i agree, ais [20:02] <magicmeg8> it was just a huge loss [20:02] <kadi> i read a thread a while back and someone suggested that lupin should take over the order now [20:02] <magicmeg8> as to your question of "in character [20:02] <TheGuruOfSloth> and not just any leader... he made them what they were. and of course, as has been noted, he was particularly special to Lupin [20:02] <magicmeg8> ais -- i think he's generally reserved and book-smart [20:02] <Aislinn> agreed [20:02] <magicmeg8> even an outsider sometimes [20:03] <Aislinn> so what would have landed him in Gryffindor? [20:03] <Aislinn> I agree guru [20:03] <LJ> he is brave [20:03] <TheGuruOfSloth> lol LJ [20:03] <kadi> and self sacrificing [20:03] <LJ> he must be to go undercover with the werewolves [20:03] <CedrellaBlack> i think even though he is reserved..he was always loyal to his friends [20:03] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah, that's true! [20:03] <kadi> i think that may be line b/n ravens and gryffs [20:03] <Aislinn> yeah, that's not a mission I would relish tongue [20:03] <magicmeg8> yeah -- and just to have stayed in hogwarts as a werewolf was brave, and that was when he was a child. [20:03] <CedrellaBlack> he never would have betrayed James [20:04] <magicmeg8> true ced [20:04] <TheGuruOfSloth> I think just... trying to live his life as best he could, with the hand he got dealt. that's pretty brave. [20:04] <kadi> but he would have killed pettigrew [20:04] <TheGuruOfSloth> he doesn't mope about being a werewolf [20:04] <Aislinn> not an easy hand [20:04] <kadi> and that's crazy he's all like "you should've know if voldy didn't kill you we would" [20:04] <TheGuruOfSloth> meg, I think I just got your brainwave a few seconds late laugh [20:04] <magicmeg8> lol [20:04] <magicmeg8> no prob biggrin [20:05] <magicmeg8> kadi, i don't know if he would have killed pettigrew [20:05] <Aislinn> he seemed pretty ready to [20:05] <TheGuruOfSloth> I think he was going to [20:05] <kadi> ohhh i think they would have [20:05] <magicmeg8> i mean, my views of the shreiking shack scene are probably tainted by the movie, though [20:05] <kadi> they seemed quite reluctant [20:05] <CedrellaBlack> if they had the series would change so much [20:05] <Aislinn> I don't know if he would have done it without the emotion of everything being revealed with sirius [20:05] <TheGuruOfSloth> true [20:06] <TheGuruOfSloth> if they had thought it through, they would have kept him so he could talk... [20:06] <magicmeg8> true, ais -- maybe with some time, he wouldn't have been so keen to try it. [20:06] <Aislinn> they were all so caught up in realizing how much they had all been fooled [20:06] *** magicmeg8 has quit [Bye] [20:06] *** magicmeg8 has joined #lounge [20:06] <NYBookworm> I think if they really would've they'd done so without hesitating [20:06] <magicmeg8> annnd i'm back! [20:06] <kadi> lupin was all zomg! AK! [20:06] <kadi> [20:06] <kadi> don't zap me for netspeak megs [20:06] <magicmeg8> lol kadi. [20:07] <kadi> i don't think they hesitated too much [20:07] <TheGuruOfSloth> rather than killing [20:07] <TheGuruOfSloth> (another gryff. trait laugh ) [20:07] <TheGuruOfSloth> "acting rashly" [20:07] <Aislinn> right! [20:07] <magicmeg8> true, jason. [20:07] <TheGuruOfSloth> I think Sirius would have done it in an eyeblink! [20:07] <Aislinn> no question [20:07] <TheGuruOfSloth> Lupin, maybe maybe not [20:07] <magicmeg8> though in general, i feel that lupin is more an observer than a do-er [20:07] <kadi> pfftt i vouch for his evileness [20:07] <kadi> he would have [20:07] <CedrellaBlack> Sirius deffinitely 20:08] <Aislinn> he was thick in the battle at MoM though, wasn't he? [20:08] <magicmeg8> at base, i mean [20:08] <Aislinn> so he steps up when he needs to [20:08] <Aislinn> agreed [20:09] <magicmeg8> definitely ais -- but i think his base instincts tend toward observing [20:09] <kadi> i wonder what the werewolves do together when they aren't transformed [20:09] <CedrellaBlack> but Lupin also is a person who let things happen (in OOTP, in the memory...Lupin just lets James and Sirius hurt snape[snivellus]) [20:09] <magicmeg8> (arrange plans to take over the world?) [20:09] <kadi> ahahaha, possibly [20:09] <TheGuruOfSloth> he is. but just as sirius and james matured, so did lupin [20:09] <magicmeg8> that's a good point, ced [20:10] <magicmeg8> yes, i think he became more confident over the years [20:10] <CedrellaBlack> thanks [20:10] <Aislinn> I think he was still maturing, just like they were [20:10] <TheGuruOfSloth> but there may still be a part of that in him [20:10] *** Synesthesia has joined #lounge [20:10] <kadi> from the movie there's almost a "he liked lily" vibe [20:10] <Synesthesia> hello. [20:10] <Aislinn> hi! [20:10] <CedrellaBlack> yes i was really dissapointed in James in that seen but yet i wasnt surprised [20:10] <TheGuruOfSloth> there totally is, kadi! [20:10] <Aislinn> I noticed that too [20:10] <kadi> and jo said that movie foreshadowed well [20:10] <kadi> i wonder... [20:10] <kadi>  [20:10] <magicmeg8> hi synesthesia smile we're talking about remus lupin tonight [20:11] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:11] <Synesthesia> how nice. [20:11] * TheGuruOfSloth thinks half of that year at hogwarts probably liked Lily... [20:11] <Aislinn> hey poet! [20:11] <Synesthesia> he's one of my favourite characters in the whole book [20:11] <LJ> I think that everyone in the Order has to be prepared to kill, even if they use it as a last resort - so they may have killed Peter, I guess we'll never know (or they could have been testing Harry, to see if he would allow it - they said that he dd what his father would have done) [20:11] <magicmeg8> smile [20:11] <kadi> kinda like ginny jason? [20:11] <Aislinn> most likely, guru smile [20:11] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah [20:11] <magicmeg8> good point, laurie [20:12] <Aislinn> so, are we sure that Greyback saw Lupin at Hogwarts? [20:12] *** mam has joined #lounge [20:12] <TheGuruOfSloth> hmm. i dunno if it was a test though. but good point about Harry making the same choice James would have [20:12] <TheGuruOfSloth> I mean, Sirius was going to let Snape get hurt from the Willow, but James wouldn't allow it [20:12] <TheGuruOfSloth> so I think Sirius had murder in his mind [20:12] <kadi> lily "saw the good in people" blah blah [20:12] <kadi> maybe he was having low werewolf self-esteem [20:13] <TheGuruOfSloth> with Peter [20:13] <Poet> Yes, the possible killing of Peter has always bothered me. [20:13] <TheGuruOfSloth> and Lupin... well, he had just pieced everything together [20:13] <TheGuruOfSloth> he was reeling [20:13] <kadi> rightly so [20:13] <Poet> Ah, excellent point Jason [20:13] <CedrellaBlack> Its too bad hes no more use as a werewolf spy [20:13] <Aislinn> I agree jason [20:13] <magicmeg8> hmm. i don't know if he saw him ais -- but if he had, it would make it very difficult to work undercover again [20:13] <Poet> A bit like Harry with his attempts to use an unforgivable on Bellatrix and Snape [20:14] * TheGuruOfSloth still doesn't understand this whole werewolf society... don't they know who Lupin is? [20:14] <Aislinn> apparently they didn't [20:14] <TheGuruOfSloth> it's weird. [20:14] <magicmeg8> maybe there's a lot more than we thought [20:14] <kadi> i don't know what they do when they aren't transofrmed jason, lol [20:14] <Aislinn> they knew he had to resign from Hogwarts [20:14] <CedrellaBlack> i was confused by that too [20:14] <kadi> megs and i think they just plan world domination [20:14] <Aislinn> maybe he spun a tale of rejection from that [20:14] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah... it's one of those things we're not supposed to think about laugh [20:14] <CedrellaBlack> well they shun the wizard world [20:15] <CedrellaBlack> so they wouldn't know about lupin teaching at hogwartas at all [20:15] <magicmeg8> haha. well, maybe he somehow changes his look, or wears a really big cloak? [20:15] <Aislinn> the way he is treated by the MoM would make anyone turn to the other side [20:15] <kadi> that's a good idea aislinn [20:15] <magicmeg8> that's a better idea ais [20:15] <Aislinn> at least the folks on the other side would tend to believe that [20:15] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah, i didn't think of that... [20:15] <Synesthesia> he seems like he'd be too nice to fit in with that lot... [20:15] <TheGuruOfSloth> kind of like snape [20:15] <Synesthesia> *imagines punk wizard werewolves* [20:15] <Synesthesia> *With torn dragon skin robes sneering a lot& [20:15] <Aislinn> lol [20:15] <magicmeg8> lol syn -- i suppose the rest of them don't know his real personality though [20:15] <CedrellaBlack> haha [20:15] <Poet> Perhaps a werewolf is a werewolf to them....they just assume that if he's hanging with them, he IS like them. [20:16] <Aislinn> that's possible [20:16] <Synesthesia> he could just growl a lot and eat raw meat [20:16] <magicmeg8> haha. [20:16] <mam> hah [20:16] <kadi> it says that he had difficulty gaining their trust [20:16] <TheGuruOfSloth> hehe [20:16] <Aislinn> true, kadi - I would think it'd be hard for him to fit in with them, given his personality [20:16] <magicmeg8> well, i assume if he's coming from the wizarding world, it'd take a lot for them to trust him [20:16] <CedrellaBlack> he may never have...i dont see Fenrir trusting anyone [20:16] <kadi> he bore signs of trying to live amongst humans [20:17] <magicmeg8> i think werewolves are always on guard [20:17] <kadi> but yeah-- they ARE human most of the month [20:17] <CedrellaBlack> yes he did [20:17] <Synesthesia> yeah, like having a job, being civilized... [20:17] <Poet> Lupin would be new to the group, whether they knew where he came from or not. I got the impression that it was a trust ....yes kadi because of recent signs [20:17] <Synesthesia> not liking raw bleeding flesh or biting small kids. [20:17] <Synesthesia> it would probably be like a gang intiation or something if he hung out with them long enough [20:17] <Poet> So what will become of his little monthly frolics with the other werewolves? [20:17] <CedrellaBlack> Well Lupin would have to lie to gain trust [20:18] <magicmeg8> but, you've got to think -- these werewolves are following fenrir -- so lupin would have to act a little unstable. [20:18] <kadi> i wonder what he is saying to try and convince them not to support voldemort [20:18] <Synesthesia> he'd probablly have to bit esomeone or do something violent. [20:18] <magicmeg8> i suppose he's just trying to turn them against fenrir -- manipulating people [20:18] <CedrellaBlack> i dont think there was ever any hope with the werewolves [20:18] <kadi> i think greyback is the only one that bites kids and whatnot-- possibly the other wolves just live out of society [20:18] <Synesthesia> then he'd gain their trust somehow. [20:18] <magicmeg8> i agree, syn [20:18] <CedrellaBlack> Fenrir is too much of a bully [20:19] <magicmeg8> do you think lupin would "cure" himself if he could? [20:19] <CedrellaBlack> blackmail--it can be used against anyone including DE's [20:19] <Aislinn> yes [20:19] <CedrellaBlack> yes [20:19] <mam> i think he would [20:19] <CedrellaBlack> alright i have to go [20:19] <CedrellaBlack> Bye [20:19] <kadi> fenrir is just telling them that they would get equal rights under voldemort [20:19] *** Punky has joined #lounge [20:19] <magicmeg8> bye ced! [20:19] <kadi> mmm i dunno megs [20:19] <Aislinn> I don't think he views his lycanthropy as anything positive [20:19] <CedrellaBlack> bye meg [20:19] <Poet> I think it's in his blood. Would need a serious transplant to overcome that infliction [20:19] *** CedrellaBlack has quit [Bye] [20:19] <Aislinn> bye ced [20:19] <magicmeg8> yeah, i agree ced. [20:20] <magicmeg8> i mean i agree ais [20:20] <Aislinn> lol smile [20:20] <TheGuruOfSloth> i see the werewolves like the morlocks in X-Men... a lot of them hate the rest of society, but for most it's b/c they can't join it themselves. if Lupin could convince them that they could, maybe he could sawy them. [20:20] <magicmeg8> smile [20:20] <TheGuruOfSloth> *sway [20:20] <magicmeg8> i agree guru [20:20] <kadi> me too [20:20] <Aislinn> I wonder if he'll be able to try anymore though [20:20] <TheGuruOfSloth> they follow Greyback because they think it's their only option to better themselves... [20:20] *** LEW has joined #lounge [20:20] <Aislinn> if fenrir saw him, he won't be able to go near them again [20:21] <kadi> right --------------------  To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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[20:21] <kadi> which is a shame
[20:21] <kadi> grrr MoM [20:21] <Aislinn> hi LEW [20:21] <magicmeg8> i'm sure most of them were not met with the same comfort lupin was -- his parents obviously handled his situation well, and dumbledore wasmore than willling to help him [20:21] <Aislinn> true [20:21] <TheGuruOfSloth> hehe, maybe Lupin could bring them Umbridge to feast on! laugh or at least bite. wouldn't she love being a werewolf? [20:21] <LEW> Hi [20:21] <Synesthesia> hehehehe. eating umbridge.... [20:21] <Aislinn> haha! [20:21] <kadi> that would be complete justice [20:21] <magicmeg8> hey lew smile we're talking about remus luping tonight [20:21] <Aislinn> just desserts tongue [20:21] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [20:21] <kadi> i hope she gets hers [20:22] <mam> yes. i agree [20:22] <LEW> thank, I was wondering what the topic was [20:22] <Aislinn> hi tanaqui [20:22] <TheGuruOfSloth> umbridge is dessert and a whole meal besides! *badump - ching!* [20:22] <magicmeg8> haha jason -- that seems a bit violent for him, though [20:22] <kadi> i thought she would when that hoard of centaurs carried her off [20:22] <Synesthesia> who the heck yells at a bunch of armed centaurs? [20:22] <magicmeg8> no prob smile [20:22] <Synesthesia> she's stupid.... [20:22] <Tanaqui> howdy [20:22] <magicmeg8> but, back to mr. lupin ... biggrin [20:22] <Poet> Are the werewolves that large of a group. Obviously it's a lot of work for little reward. However, it shows something of Dumbledore's character that he's having a OotP member such as Lupin reach out to thm. Shows Lupin's humility aand faither in DD too [20:22] <Synesthesia> now if she yelled at some transforming werewolves [20:22] <Synesthesia> looking at her like she's dinner... mmmm [20:22] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah meg - i'm just being silly tongue [20:22] <magicmeg8> hahah i know, i know biggrin [20:22] <Aislinn> good point poet [20:23] *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge [20:23] <Aislinn> Dumbledore seemed to want to reach out to all kinds [20:23] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah, it is. which makes me wonder if he was able to be up-front with them about that [20:23] <kadi> so lupin-- LIVE OR DIE? [20:23] <Synesthesia> he might die [20:23] <Synesthesia> and iw ill be CRUSHED [20:23] *** Mokey has joined #lounge [20:23] <magicmeg8> yeah, i would think werewolves would be a small group [20:23] <mam> live [20:23] <Synesthesia> i do not want lupin to be killed off [20:23] <Synesthesia> he's my favourite. [20:23] <Aislinn> hey mokey! [20:23] <Poet> DD started that process of reaching out way back when he let Lupin come to Hogwarts [20:23] <LEW> I think he'll live [20:23] <Punky> I would agree i'd like him to live [20:23] <Poet> live please [20:23] <Synesthesia> next to dumbledore. i want him to live happy with tonks and have werewolf babies... [20:23] <Aislinn> I want him to have those pink puppies with Tonks! [20:23] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah. [20:24] <kadi> so not all the mauraders have to go? [20:24] <Aislinn> hopefully not [20:24] <Synesthesia> pink puppies biggrin [20:24] <kadi> or has he suffered enough smile [20:24] <LEW> I wonder what happens when werewolves breed...are the offspring wolfish at all? [20:24] <LJ> I want him to be the last surviving one [20:24] <Synesthesia> in my story they are. [20:24] <Poet> Lupin was the most damaged to begin with...sufffered enough for all of them [20:24] <Aislinn> good question, lew [20:25] <Synesthesia> they always have werewolf babies [20:25] <TheGuruOfSloth> let's get him a horcrux, just in case... [20:25] <Synesthesia> indeed. he should be happy for all of them [20:25] <Aislinn> awful thought, guru! [20:25] <LEW> I agree that at least one Maurader will live, because I don't think Peter will [20:25] <Synesthesia> and peter deserves to hang... [20:25] <kadi> maybe it depends on his time of the month, lew [20:25] <kadi> *realizes how that sounds* [20:25] <Poet> And where can one find said horcrux...? ;) [20:26] <Aislinn> does anyone think he will take on a leadership role in the Order now? [20:26] *** magicmeg8 has quit [Ping timeout] [20:26] *** mam has quit [Ping timeout] [20:26] <TheGuruOfSloth> horcrux-mart! (OK, I'm done...); but yeah, I think Lupin's come far enough now, from a story perspective I think he'll live [20:26] *** nijolijo has joined #lounge [20:26] <Synesthesia> lol [20:27] <kadi> waste not want not-- he should make one when he kills greyback [20:27] <kadi> i think lupin will live btw [20:27] <Mokey> I was thinking that Aislinn, he seems to be the most involved [20:27] <kadi> mm i'm not sure [20:27] <TheGuruOfSloth> yeah - i think he ought to [20:27] *** Kiets has joined #lounge [20:27] <kadi> i was thinking weasley [20:27] <TheGuruOfSloth> he doesn't have much else going for him outside of it [20:27] <LEW> no, he won't be the new leader, he's away too much and out of the loop. He couldn't even send Harry letters in teh 6th book [20:27] <Synesthesia> was he fighting with the order in HP6? i cannot remember (even though i read it last week) [20:27] <Mokey> like he puts most heart in it [20:27] <nijolijo> no, i personally think lupin will be one of the ones that dies [20:27] <kadi> as they compose half the members anyway [20:27] <Love4Fawkes> lupin will be important in the order, but can't take a leadership role [20:27] <Aislinn> but I don't think he can be with the werewolves anymore lew [20:28] *** mam has joined #lounge [20:28] <LEW> I don't think he'll die, though. IF Harry lives, he'll need at least one connection to his parents [20:28] *** magicmeg8 has joined #lounge [20:28] <Synesthesia> snape will probably die, that will make me sad, but we are not talking about him [20:28] <kadi> well it's between lupin, moody, or arthur/molly [20:28] <Aislinn> wb meg [20:28] <Synesthesia> maybe harry can live with lupin [20:28] *** tbunny has joined #lounge [20:28] <Mokey> not if he faught greyback, but maybe he managed to persuade some werewolves [20:28] <magicmeg8> thanks ais [20:28] <Synesthesia> or arthur and molly... be their 8th kid and son in law [20:28] <nijolijo> harry will live with ginny [20:28] <TheGuruOfSloth> i think harry can live on his own now... [20:28] <Kiets> sigh [20:28] <kadi> maybe lupin can give harry info about his parents and their home in godrics hollow on the horcrux search [20:28] <Poet> I agree Aislinn, I don't think Lupin can go back to the werewolves. Harry could use a Dark Arts teacher again. [20:28] <NYBookworm> I think he wil have a house and family of his own with ginny (assuming he lives of course) [20:29] <Mokey> I think Harry is ready to be his own man now [20:29] <Poet> Well not a teacher.. [20:29] <LEW> I thought the werewolves already knew he was on DD's side...his job was to convence them not to go to LV's side [20:29] <Kiets> i dont think harry is gonna have a chance to live anywhere [20:29] <Mokey> but the fact that Lupin was never as close in a leadership role to Harry is probablly a good indication that he will live [20:29] <magicmeg8> Lupin focuses mainly on dark creatures the year he teaches DADA. Was there a reason that he spent most of his time on these? [20:29] <NYBookworm> Lupin can definitely help him in his horcrux search if harry were to confide in him- then again if he does I think he will die then [20:29] *** marielle has joined #lounge [20:29] <Poet> Harry could still use the occassional consultant on matters Dark Arts, rather. [20:29] <kadi> maybe it was third year curriculum megs [20:29] <Synesthesia> a facination wuith them? [20:29] <Mokey> well he is kind of a dark creature [20:29] <magicmeg8> true, kadi [20:29] <Synesthesia> because he sort of is one?\ [20:29] <magicmeg8> yeah. [20:30] <Aislinn> I didn't get that impression, kadi [20:30] <magicmeg8> i thought it was a bit different [20:30] <magicmeg8> than standard [20:30] <Aislinn> it sounded like they weren't geting the "official" training program [20:30] <LEW> It's a DARK ARTS class, of course they'll be dealing with dark creatures [20:30] <nijolijo> does anyone else think lupin will die in book 7? [20:30] <kadi> maybe that's what they were supposed to have learned earlier-- [20:30] <kadi> so he was catching them up [20:30] <TheGuruOfSloth> Lupin wasn't a trained teacher, although he had a knack for it. I think he knew that hands-on stuff would get the kids to pay attention [20:31] <Aislinn> I think so, kadi [20:32] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:32] <LEW> Why wouldn't a Bogart be standard? [20:32] <Mokey> sorry meg [20:32] *** mam left #lounge [] [20:32] <kadi> so there's your curriculum smile [20:32] <magicmeg8> lol no prob biggrin [20:32] <Aislinn> maybe being a werewolf brought him in more contact with dark creatures, so he had a familiarity [20:32] <LEW> There was one in Hogwarts, there was on in Grimuld place...they seem to be somewhat common [20:32] <magicmeg8> good point, lew [20:32] <Mokey> All of the DADA teachers seem to follow their own thing...except Snape [20:32] <magicmeg8> and umbridge [20:32] <kadi> yeah it's good to know how to deal with boggarts [20:32] <NYBookworm> he seems to have gotten the creatures in advance and planned his lessons out so even if there wasn't a set curriculum he had an idea of what he wanted to teach them and how [20:32] <Aislinn> you don't think he had his own thing too, mokey? [20:32] <LEW> We didn't know too much about what Snape taught them, though [20:33] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:33] <kadi> as i would freak out if one popped out of my closet [20:33] <Mokey> oh yeah, can't believe I forgot her [20:33] <kadi> or cupboard [20:33] <magicmeg8> i agree ny [20:33] <Mokey> no we don't but I think he said they were behind [20:33] <LEW> We just know they had to write an essay about Dementors [20:33] <Aislinn> that was snape being snape [20:33] <Mokey> so I'm assuming there are things that they were supposed to be taught and weren't [20:33] <LEW> I agree, Aislinn [20:33] <Aislinn> he wouldn't think anyone else could do a good job [20:33] <kadi> maybe he knew they would be on the OWL-- he did take them too [20:33] <Mokey> that sounds right Aislinn [20:33] <Poet> Dark creatures seem to be attracted to Dark places and vice versa. I can see Lupin's classes having more relevance in Book 7 as Harry goes Horcrux hunting. Think of the infiri [20:33] <magicmeg8> well, when umbridge comes in -- she says that they've been taught random things -- nothing that is standard curriculum [20:34] <Aislinn> good point, poet [20:34] <LEW> He learned Infiri from Snape, though [20:34] *** TheGuruOfSloth left #lounge [] [20:34] <Aislinn> the trio will probably come across many of these creatures in their quest [20:34] <Poet> yep [20:34] <LEW> Umbridge invents "standard curriculum", so I don't know if it's fair to hold that to standard [20:34] <Aislinn> yeah, hers was lame [20:34] <CarpeDiem> Good point Poet. Lupin is a great "hands on" teacher. He also taught harry the Patronus spell. Harry can learn much from Lupin [20:35] <kadi> i think that was in reference to the hands-on learning-- not the curriculum itslef [20:35] <kadi> she thought they should've learned about the creatures in theory from a book [20:35] <nijolijo> and he helped harry with the creaturs in the lake in book 4 [20:35] <Mokey> true LEW [20:35] <Poet> hi CD smile [20:35] <CarpeDiem> He could have a great part to teach in Book 7 [20:35] <CarpeDiem> Hiya Poet! smile [20:35] <Aislinn> OK, new question: do people think that Lupin participated in the Maurauder's pranks? [20:35] <nijolijo> he laerned them in book 3 [20:35] <Poet> I see what you mean kadi - they seems to have spent little time in the books [20:36] <magicmeg8> i think he was sort of pulled into them, ais [20:36] <CarpeDiem> I think he participated to fit in but knew it was wrong [20:36] <kadi> absoulutely aislinn [20:36] <Poet> Oh dear. I don't think he was too active in the pranks. More as a watcher. I can see him smiling a little but holding himself back. [20:36] <magicmeg8> i agree carpe [20:36] *** nijolijo has quit [Bye] [20:36] *** NickTLC has quit [Bye] [20:36] <LEW> What do we know about the event of the Mauraders as a group, other than sneaking out to be with Lupin when he transformed? [20:37] <CarpeDiem> Lupin has always been a n outcast his greatest weekeness is is desire to fit in with ohters. That would always get him in trouble. [20:37] <LEW> Other than that, we just know that James and Sirius got into a lot of trouble - just the two of them [20:37] <Aislinn> well, there were the things Harry saw in the detention with snape [20:37] <kadi> it would-- that's what made him hold his tongue when james and sirius were harassing snape [20:37] <Aislinn> it did seem to mention mostly james and sirius though [20:38] <magicmeg8> yes -- which leads us to believe that lupiin wasn't terribly involved [20:38] <kadi> he is a gryffindor after all [20:38] <LEW> Well, Lupin is also in a similar position to Hermoine...she never tells on Harry and Ron and gets them into trouble [20:38] <magicmeg8> in fact, his status as werewolf probably made him want to lie low [20:38] <kadi> oh LEW that's a good analogy [20:38] <Mokey> But Lupin must have had some good effect on James, because James made it to head boy [20:38] <magicmeg8> yes, i think we can parallel lupin and hermione, lew [20:38] <kadi> sometimes she surprises them with her behavior [20:38] <Aislinn> I agree meg [20:38] <LEW> James was head boy? [20:38] <Poet> He has a mild but meekly sly humor to him. I can see Lupin making off-hand prank suggestions that he didn't intend to be carried out - actually be carried out. [20:39] <LJ> I'm leaving, have fun all [20:39] <Tanaqui> goodness, i'm trying to catch up here, but i think lupin won't die [20:39] <CarpeDiem> Good point magicmeg8, as an outcast you want to draw as little attention to yourself as possible [20:39] <Poet> bye L [20:39] <CarpeDiem> See ya LJ [20:39] <Mokey> by LJ [20:39] <magicmeg8> bye laurie! [20:39] <marielle> I think, because of the owls examination there must be some sort of basic curiculum, or ,aybe some books are suggested by the Ministry too. One thing that is sure Lokhart didn't follow that because he used his teacheing career as a promotinal tool for his books. So, because of that i believe the trio must have been quite late in their learning, so Lupin must have had some catching up to do. [20:39] <Aislinn> bye laurie! [20:39] <kadi> i can see him bat bogeying a lestrange kid [20:39] <kadi> or malfoy sr [20:39] *** DorisTLC has quit [Bye] [20:39] <marielle> Bye [20:39] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [20:40] <Aislinn> that's a good point, marielle - I don't think they learned a lot from Quirrell either [20:40] <magicmeg8> i agree kadi -- he probably had a few mischevious streaks, but few and far between [20:40] <Mokey> well he knows waddiwasi, so he must ahve done some pranks [20:40] <CarpeDiem> Yep he could crertainly be provoked. To harass for no good reason...that doesn't sound like him though. [20:40] <Aislinn> he does seem to be the Hermione sort of member of the Maurauders [20:41] <CarpeDiem> Where does most of Lupin's knowledge come from? Experience or books? [20:41] <CarpeDiem> He seems both book smart and hands on [20:41] <magicmeg8> i agree, carpe -- he's not really an instigator [20:41] <marielle> I don't think so, but i think they may have learn mroe from Quirerell than Lockhart though. [20:41] <Tanaqui> someone said something about mauraders all seeming to be kicking the bucket, but perhaps lupin needs to be around for the memories...did someone say that already? [20:41] <Aislinn> I agree tanaqui [20:42] <Aislinn> I think its a combination of both books and experience carpe [20:42] *** kadi has quit [Ping timeout] [20:42] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Connection reset by peer] [20:43] <magicmeg8> that's a good point, tanaqui [20:43] <magicmeg8> some of the old set needs to stay [20:43] <Love4Fawkes> they did learn about different creatures with lockhart [20:43] <Love4Fawkes> that is true, we need lupin to tell us about the past [20:43] *** Mokey has quit [Ping timeout] [20:43] *** Synesthesia has quit [Ping timeout] [20:43] *** tbunny has quit [Ping timeout] [20:43] *** LEW has quit [Connection reset by peer] [20:43] *** tbunny has joined #lounge [20:43] *** Mokey has joined #lounge [20:43] <magicmeg8> As an element in the story -- what do you think lupin's purpose is? What is he meant to teach us? [20:43] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:44] <Poet> Lupin and Sirius got Harry a book for Christmas in Book 5. I see Lupin as one who cherishes literature and books [20:44] <Tanaqui> i think originally it was books--i'm thinking of snape's memory where lupin pulls out a book [20:44] <Aislinn> welcome back everyone [20:44] <magicmeg8> As an element in the story -- what do you think lupin's purpose is? What is he meant to teach us? [20:44] <Mokey> I think Lupin serves as a link to the past [20:44] *** marielle has quit [Ping timeout] [20:45] <Love4Fawkes> a link to the past, and tool to show the intolerance of the wizarding world [20:45] <Aislinn> tolerance is a big theme for JKR, I think meg [20:45] <Poet> Lupin introduces a quiet strength. Not as strong as Dumbledore, but a strength through adversity. [20:45] <Mokey> we can trust Lupin more than Sirius to show us the truth, because Lupin isn't as passionate and reckless or biased [20:45] *** kadi has joined #lounge [20:45] *** Synesthesia has joined #lounge [20:45] <magicmeg8> wb kadikins [20:45] <Aislinn> just a heads up - we have about 15 minutes left [20:45] <kadi> mm thanks megs smile [20:45] <magicmeg8> good point, poet [20:45] <tbunny> I think he's perhaps meant to give an idea of what the other mauraders would be like by now if they'd lived a semi-normal life since end of voldis 1st reign of terror [20:45] <CarpeDiem> magicmeg8, Lupin is there to teach us universal tollerance. He is an outcast because he is a werewolf and because of that could be so very bitter. However, he seems to be one of the most kind characters we know. [20:45] <Synesthesia> reconnected again [20:46] <kadi> i think i'm going to go ahead and go-- i've stayed much longer than i intended too-- great chatting with everyone smile [20:46] <Aislinn> its says a lot for his character that he hasn't become bitter, carpe [20:46] <Synesthesia> he has a lot of compassion [20:46] <kadi> long live lupin smile [20:46] <Mokey> okay it was night chatting with everyone, goodnight [20:46] <Synesthesia> he's the sort of teacher i'd like to have. [20:46] <Love4Fawkes> true carpediem, lupin is kind of the opposite of sirius [20:46] *** Mokey has quit [Bye] [20:46] <CarpeDiem> I like that idea Love4Fawkes [20:46] *** kadi has quit [Bye] [20:46] *** marielle has joined #lounge [20:46] <Synesthesia> he's more stable, less dark despite beign a dark creature [20:46] <Tanaqui> i think lupin is there to keep a reality perspective--he is a caring friend, but can't seem to control his friends, and he's a good role model for the students, but is a werewolf.... [20:47] <Tanaqui> and i agree with the compassion and tolerance issues, too [20:47] <magicmeg8> yeah -- and he's overcoming big odds [20:47] <Love4Fawkes> yes, tanaqui, he is the opposite of what the wizarding world believes a werewolf to be [20:47] <Aislinn> what role do people think he will take in the final book? [20:48] *** tbunny left #lounge [] [20:48] <Poet> Also Lupin has a good head on his shoulders. He thinks things through usually....though his holding back and inaction as a teenager didn't serve his friends well [20:48] <Tanaqui> hopefully a bigger one! ;) i'd like to see lupin mentor harry some more [20:48] <Love4Fawkes> I think lupin will serve as a strong support for Harry [20:48] <Synesthesia> a wise teacher figure [20:48] <Synesthesia> to take the place of dumbledore, or try to fill it... [20:48] *** tbunny left #lounge [] [20:48] <Poet> Also Lupin has a good head on his shoulders. He thinks things through usually....though his holding back and inaction as a teenager didn't serve his friends well [20:48] <Tanaqui> hopefully a bigger one! ;) i'd like to see lupin mentor harry some more [20:48] <Love4Fawkes> I think lupin will serve as a strong support for Harry [20:48] <Synesthesia> a wise teacher figure [20:48] <Synesthesia> to take the place of dumbledore, or try to fill it... [20:48] <CarpeDiem> I hope he (and others in the order) are used by Harry as a source of knowledge and experience. I don't see Harry as strong enough to face LV yet. [20:48] <Synesthesia> he might know stuff that Harry needs to know about the past and the like... and how to fight inferi. [20:49] <Synesthesia> which creep me out [20:49] <magicmeg8> yeah, i think he'll be a source of knowledge for harry, and that he'll somehow take out fenrir [20:49] <Love4Fawkes> he would have to use others. he is so not ready to do this by himself [20:49] <Love4Fawkes> harry i mean [20:49] <Aislinn> I agree that he could be valuable to harry [20:49] <CarpeDiem> Lupin was able to do great things with Harry in PoA...I would like to see that again. Not only does he teach magic lessons but life lessons as well [20:49] <Poet> I hope that Lupin is no longer able to return to the werewolves and Harry is able to exchange letters with him to keep in touch with the rest of the order [20:49] <Synesthesia> unless tonks distracts him a bit... *pictures a triple wedding* [20:50] <Aislinn> i think the life lessons are more what he will be helpful for [20:50] <Synesthesia> bill/ fluer, Hagrid/Madam Maxine, Tonks/Lupin [20:50] <magicmeg8> i agree carpe -- he was a really amazing teacher for harry [20:50] <Poet> yikes [20:50] <Love4Fawkes> life lessons and knowledge [20:50] <Aislinn> hahaha [20:50] <CarpeDiem> That brings up a point. Why Lupin and TOnks? There is enough budding romance with the trio. What do Lupin and Tonks bring to the story? [20:50] <Synesthesia> tonks is young and just so enthusiastic. [20:50] <Synesthesia> i like her. [20:50] <Aislinn> adults besides the weasleys who have a relationship [20:51] <Aislinn> and that real life needs to go on in spite of the crisis they are in [20:51] <Synesthesia> plus she joins the Order even though she was very young when it began... and she loves Lupin no matter what [20:51] <Synesthesia> even though he's a werewolf and poor. [20:51] <Tanaqui> i didn't like the tonks/lupin romance.... [20:51] <Synesthesia> an dolder than her by a lot... [20:51] <magicmeg8> --10 minutes left-- Final thoughts? [20:51] <Love4Fawkes> i think that is another one of those tolerance themes [20:51] <Aislinn> really, tanaqui? I do [20:51] <CarpeDiem> I don't mind it at all, I just want to know the deeper meaning behind it all smile [20:52] <Synesthesia> i just want lupin to be happy [20:52] <Synesthesia> because he deserves it... [20:52] <magicmeg8> aww. i agree syn! [20:52] <Synesthesia> such a nice guy... and he's rather on the lonely side too. [20:52] <Tanaqui> i think i felt it was unnecessary for those two characters [20:52] <Tanaqui> that is a good point there, synesthesia [20:52] <Aislinn> it would be nice to see one of the Maurauders have some happiness in their adult life [20:52] <Poet> I'm not too fond of the relationship yet. It does give hope for people like Harry to find a way to make his relationship work too - despite obstacles. [20:52] <Synesthesia> kind of shows how much harry has no idea what is going on... i wonder how they "met" each other in that potential romance way [20:52] <CarpeDiem> Lupin will be a key figure in the last book...more so than the others I beleive [20:52] <Love4Fawkes> oh, it wasn't unnecessary at all. tonks and lubin both deserve happiness [20:53] <Synesthesia> i reckon she started off idolizing him... [20:53] <Synesthesia> then finding him fascinating... [20:53] <Synesthesia> then... struck by looooooooooooooove and pining. [20:53] <Synesthesia> *knows how that goes, poor thing* [20:53] <Tanaqui> but with romance (to each other)? i liked tonks as a strong single female character [20:54] <Synesthesia> they ar eboth strong figures.... [20:54] <CarpeDiem> People can be happy without romantic relationships...look at DD, McGonogal [20:54] <Love4Fawkes> but she can still be a strong female character [20:54] <Synesthesia> (a minority in prefering another more... unconventional pairing* [20:54] <Synesthesia> yeah, even strong people pine over love sometimes [20:54] <Synesthesia> who can help it? [20:54] <Tanaqui> true [20:54] <Synesthesia> love is distracting and annoys the hell out of me [20:54] <Tanaqui> but i still don't like that ship.... sorry..... [20:55] <Synesthesia> *Thinks of a ship between the two canines* it would fit.... [20:55] <Synesthesia> but it is not conventional and i am a minority [20:55] <Synesthesia> ah, well ^^ [20:55] *** marielle left #lounge [] [20:55] <Love4Fawkes> with ships, it to each their own [20:55] <Synesthesia> *ust wants folks to be happy* [20:56] <Tanaqui> i can't remember, did lupin have any siblings or extended family? [20:56] <Aislinn> I don't remember any being mentioned [20:57] <Love4Fawkes> i got the impression he was an only child, but i don't know that as a fact [20:57] <Synesthesia> no... [20:57] <Synesthesia> it was just him i reckon. [20:57] <Synesthesia> i wonder if his parents are still alive. they really loved him a lot [20:57] <Synesthesia> to not get freaked by his werewolfness [20:57] <magicmeg8> Great chat everyone! Remember that this discussion will be continued over at the Chamber of Chat (http://www.chamberofchat.com). [20:57] <magicmeg8> Also check out the following threads: The Remus Lupin Theory, He IS a wolf in sheep's clothing....( http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html [20:57] <CarpeDiem> I remember a father but nothing else [20:57] <Love4Fawkes> parents, definately parents [20:57] <Tanaqui> it would be an interesting avenue to explore--lupin's family [20:57] <Synesthesia> yeah.... [20:57] <Poet> Had both when he came to Hogwarts or at least when he was accepted [20:57] <Synesthesia> and how they handled his... fuzzy problem [20:58] <Poet> furry [20:58] <magicmeg8> Remus Lupins fate in Book 7 (http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showtopic=27513&hl=remus,or,lupin) [20:58] <Tanaqui> exactly [20:58] <Synesthesia> ^^ [20:58] <Synesthesia> badly behaved rabbit *points to mine* [20:58] <magicmeg8> Is Lupin's underground mission over? (http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showtopic=24673&hl=remus,or,lupin) [20:58] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [20:58] <Aislinn> I think the last book needs to be at least 3000 pages long to answer all our backstory questions! [20:58] <Synesthesia> i need [20:58] <magicmeg8> Lupin's knowledge of dark creatures (http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showtopic=27149&hl=remus,or,lupin) [20:58] <CarpeDiem> At least Aislinn! smile [20:58] <Synesthesia> to be able to carry it around with a fork lift [20:59] <Synesthesia> that's all there is to that. [20:59] <Synesthesia> it must be big enough to need a crane... [20:59] <magicmeg8> Glad you all had fun in the chat tonight smile [20:59] <CarpeDiem> Yep why not go for a record...longest book ever! smile [20:59] <Aislinn> great chat folks - thanks for your patience with our bugs tonight! [20:59] <CarpeDiem> No worries! smile [20:59] <magicmeg8> Yeah  [20:59] <Synesthesia> bye! [20:59] <Tanaqui> thanks everyone! [20:59] <CarpeDiem> Bye! [20:59] <Love4Fawkes> Night [20:59] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [20:59] <Aislinn> see you all next time [20:59] <magicmeg8> bye! remeber to check out the COC [21:00] *** Tanaqui has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** Synesthesia has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** Love4Fawkes has quit [Bye] -------------------- To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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