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[18:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [18:59] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Wacky Theories (fawkes28) [19:00] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [19:00] <fawkes28> !topic WWW Chat on Wacky Theories [19:00] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: WWW Chat on Wacky Theories (fawkes28) [19:00] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [19:00] <fawkes28> hi kaelgirl and gryffinclaw [19:00] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:01] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [19:01] <Poet> Hi kaelgirl and BrettMac and Gryffinclaw [19:01] <fawkes28> hi poet and brett [19:02] <Poet> hi fawkes28 [19:02] <Poet> I bought some waffles and salsa today [19:02] <fawkes28> awesome! [19:02] <fawkes28> perfect for our whacky chat [19:03] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [19:03] <Poet> Yes, be right back to pop some waffles in the toaster. I promise to share wink [19:03] <fawkes28> hi future [19:04] <fawkes28> lots of wackiness for today's chat - i hope one of the questions is on how snape is evile - that would make a lot of sense for this chat laugh [19:04] <futureweasley> haha [19:04] <fawkes28> !unmoderate [19:04] *** mode/#lounge [-m] by Snuffles [19:04] <fawkes28> sorry guys - you should be able to type now [19:04] <Gryffinclaw> Ok [19:04] <futureweasley> wow [19:04] <futureweasley> lol [19:04] <BrettMac> oh ok [19:04] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [19:04] <futureweasley> I was wondering what was going on! [19:05] <fawkes28> hi val [19:05] <BrettMac> i just pmed fawkes about it but i guess that answers my question [19:05] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [19:04] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Val_Halla [19:04] <kaelgirl> lol [19:04] <Val_Halla> hi all [19:04] <Poet> I figured everyone was sleepy smile [19:04] <fawkes28> hi nymph and aislinn [19:04] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Aislinn,nympheart [19:04] <fawkes28> me too smile [19:04] <nympheart> hello everyone [19:04] <kaelgirl> hi Val_Halla, nympheart, and Aislinn [19:04] <Gryffinclaw> I am [19:05] <BrettMac> im just gonna say hi everyone, im too lazy to say individual names [19:05] <nympheart> it snowed! [19:05] <Gryffinclaw> WOOT [19:05] <Val_Halla> here, too [19:05] <nympheart> :) [19:05] <Gryffinclaw> A little here [19:05] <kaelgirl> the snow here is melting finally [19:05] <BrettMac> off topic but lol i went hysterical when my blog was mentioned on pottercast... [19:05] <Poet> Still too much here unfortunately [19:05] <fawkes28> cold weather stinks - the high on friday is going to be 23 sad [19:05] <Aislinn> Hi folks smile [19:05] <nympheart> lol, congrats Brett [19:05] <kaelgirl> hehe, Brett. I would too [19:05] *** harrypotterfreak4 has joined #lounge [19:05] <nympheart> hi hpfreak [19:06] <harrypotterfreak4> hi everyone [19:06] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:06] <nympheart> hi prongs [19:06] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Harrypotterfreak [19:06] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Prongs [19:06] <kaelgirl> hi harrypotterfreak [19:06] <kaelgirl> and Prongs [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [19:06] <Aislinn> we're getting down to single digits tonight and highs in the teens be Friday [19:06] * futureweasley is excited about wacky theories! [19:06] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:06] <harrypotterfreak4> i need you guys to cheer me up tonight, my childhood dog died yesterday [19:06] <nympheart> hi NYB [19:06] <NYBookworm> hi [19:06] <BrettMac> here it was actually really warm today...it was like -30 C all last week [19:06] <Aislinn> Hi kaelgirl, Prongs, NYB [19:06] <nympheart> awww, i'm sorry hpfreak [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> I am sorry, hpf! [19:06] <kaelgirl> awww, that's a debbie downer hpfreak [19:06] <futureweasley> oh NO hpfreak! That happened to me...on my 25th birthday!! [19:06] <Gryffinclaw> I'm sorry hpf [19:06] <futureweasley> I'm sorry for your loss [19:07] *** lese91 has joined #lounge [19:07] <Aislinn> aw, I'm so sorry to hear that hpfreak - losing a pet is the hardest thing [19:07] <BrettMac> sorry hpf... i had that happen to me before, it hurts, i know sad [19:07] <nympheart> hi lese [19:07] <harrypotterfreak4> thanks everyone, tonights topic is perfect to take my mind off of it [19:07] <Gryffinclaw> Hi lese [19:07] <futureweasley> well, that wacky theories should make you laugh a bit [19:07] <futureweasley> there are some goofy ones! [19:07] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:07] <harrypotterfreak4> yeah [19:07] <BrettMac> tonights topic is gonna be HILARIOUS smile [19:07] <kaelgirl> bring some cheer into your soul, hopefully [19:07] <fawkes28> prongs, i actually just read your essay today from the first scribby issue - it was very good clap [19:07] <nympheart> lol, I can't wait to see what you came up with! [19:07] <Gryffinclaw> It's what I'm staying up for [19:08] <ProngsPatronus> thank you, fawkes! [19:08] <Gryffinclaw> This is only the third WWW chat i've been in [19:08] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:08] <Gryffinclaw> Hi MrMc [19:08] <nympheart> hi MrM [19:08] <Val_Halla> hi Mr M [19:08] <kaelgirl> hey Mr.M [19:08] <fawkes28> i'll have to go post in the thread when i get a chance smile [19:08] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody1 [19:08] <BrettMac> i was in the ginny one but that was in, im fairly new to the corner booth [19:08] <futureweasley> hi there [19:08] *** lese91 left #lounge [] [19:09] <fawkes28> we are glad to have you here smile [19:09] *** NiGHTS has joined #lounge [19:09] <Aislinn> Hi Mr M, lese [19:09] <futureweasley> hi nights [19:09] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Nights [19:09] <nympheart> hi Nights [19:09] <Val_Halla> hi NiGHTS [19:09] <kaelgirl> hey Nights [19:09] <NiGHTS> Hiya everyone 8-) [19:09] <harrypotterfreak4> hi nights! [19:09] <BrettMac> *nights [19:09] <BrettMac> hey nihts [19:09] <futureweasley> lol, we've got the greeters out in force tonight! woot! [19:09] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:09] <NiGHTS> ***overwhelmed !!!*** [19:09] * fawkes28 reminds future that the word is woo hoo [19:09] <BrettMac> wow, i just posted in the wrong order... hows that work? [19:09] <futureweasley> nonono [19:09] <kaelgirl> haha, we're all too friendly [19:09] <Gryffinclaw> lol Brett [19:10] *** lese91 has joined #lounge [19:10] <Gryffinclaw> WB Lese [19:10] <BrettMac> too friendly, is that even possible? [19:10] <nympheart> wb lese [19:10] <futureweasley> it's kind of an oxymoron, isn't it? [19:10] <kaelgirl> I've seen it in action. So it is possible [19:10] <nympheart> too friendly is possible Brett [19:10] *** lese91 left #lounge [] [19:10] <fawkes28> i love oxymorons [19:10] <harrypotterfreak4> but usually being too friendly is just plain creepy [19:10] <harrypotterfreak4> lol [19:10] <kaelgirl> a girl at my school is in happy mode 24/7. Its quite obnoxious at times [19:10] <NiGHTS> lol [19:10] <futureweasley> they are amongst my favorite things, too, fawkes [19:11] <BrettMac> yeah, like..um...*trys to think of a character in hp that fits the description* [19:11] <Gryffinclaw> The Creevey brothers [19:11] <Val_Halla> Lockhart to Harry - too friendly [19:11] * ProngsPatronus prefers freonmorons [19:11] <BrettMac> UMBRIDGE! she was fakely friendly, i guess. too much so... [19:11] <kaelgirl> perfect example [19:11] <nympheart> yes, that's who popped into my mind, gryffin [19:11] <kaelgirl> Umbridge is a creepy happy [19:11] <BrettMac> the creepy brothers, more like... *koff koff* [19:11] <harrypotterfreak4> definately [19:11] <NiGHTS> Lavender Brown courageous enough 2 not B scared of looking sooooo embarrassing but 2 scared 2 face truth that Ron wasn't in love with her? [19:11] <kaelgirl> happy in the worst way possible [19:11] *** pinklaura has joined #lounge [19:11] <ProngsPatronus> Umbridge is creepy, period [19:12] <nympheart> hi pink [19:12] <futureweasley> hi laura [19:12] <pinklaura> hey [19:12] <Gryffinclaw> I hope there's an Umbridge theory tonight [19:12] <kaelgirl> hey pinklaura [19:12] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Laura [19:12] <harrypotterfreak4> hi pink [19:12] <BrettMac> like that umbridge is voldemort in disguise? [19:12] <NiGHTS> lol [19:12] <harrypotterfreak4> lol gryffinclaw [19:12] <kaelgirl> or Umbridge is a Horcrux [19:12] <NiGHTS> LV in pink !!! [19:12] <Gryffinclaw> rofl [19:12] <BrettMac> i thought that once, halfway through book 5... [19:13] <harrypotterfreak4> that would definately be one wacky disguise [19:13] <BrettMac> when his scar burnt when he touched umbridge, i thought she was a disguised voldy [19:13] <kaelgirl> Umbridge is actually Harry in the future!...(that's pretty wacky) [19:13] <fawkes28> that is pretty wacky [19:13] <BrettMac> oh god...i dont even wanna THINK about that [19:13] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:13] <nympheart> how about Umbridge is McG's sister? [19:13] <BrettMac> :S [19:13] <Gryffinclaw> Good one [19:13] <harrypotterfreak4> boy is tonight going to be fun! [19:13] *** KimmyBlair has joined #lounge [19:13] <BrettMac> it would work. sibling rivalry... [19:13] * ProngsPatronus feels nauseaous [19:13] <harrypotterfreak4> hi kimmy [19:13] <Poet> *shakes head and laughs* [19:13] <BrettMac> hey kimmy! [19:13] <fawkes28> hey kimmy [19:13] <nympheart> hi Kimmy [19:13] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, kimmy! [19:13] <Aislinn> hey kimmy [19:14] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Kimmy [19:14] <KimmyBlair> hi! [19:14] <NiGHTS> I soooo want to see what happens to umbridge in final book [19:14] <NiGHTS> Hi Kimmy [19:14] <KimmyBlair> Val reminded me of the chat so i had to stop in! [19:14] <Val_Halla> Hi Kimmy [19:14] <kaelgirl> hi Kimmy [19:14] <nympheart> we know it will be something delightfully bad, nights [19:14] <MrMcGonagall> Kimmy loves wacky theories. [19:14] <BrettMac> i dont think she'll have much of a part [19:14] <NiGHTS> i do hope so ***laughs evilly*** [19:14] <nympheart> Jo said she's coming back to be tortured [19:14] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:14] <BrettMac> but we need to see her tortured once more smile [19:14] <KimmyBlair> As a mod I saw a ton!!! [19:14] <kaelgirl> I think she already had her revenge at the end of the 5th book [19:14] <kaelgirl> really nympheart? because that'd be awesome [19:14] <ProngsPatronus> lol-- I think she might discover a talent for unconscious predictions and sherry [19:15] <NiGHTS> JKR did say there was more to come ... [19:15] <Aislinn> !moderate [19:15] <Gryffinclaw> lol Prongs [19:15] <BrettMac> tortured by hagrid... i love the avatar, rubeus hagrid is NOT retarted, screw you umbridge! we need to see some of that in dh [19:15] <harrypotterfreak4> maybe Hagrids brother will sit on her [19:15] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [19:15] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:15] <nympheart> hi pellinore [19:15] <Gryffinclaw> Hi pellinore [19:15] <NiGHTS> lol@hpf !!! [19:15] <kaelgirl> haha, great image hpfreak [19:15] <NiGHTS> Hiya Pellinore [19:15] <Pellinore> evening smile [19:15] <BrettMac> lol hpf [19:15] <harrypotterfreak4> hi pellinore [19:15] <kaelgirl> hey Pellinore [19:15] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:16] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <fawkes28> One of the most fun parts about the Leaky Lounge forum is that people have a place to discuss and educate themselves about what the buzz is in the Leaky fandom. There are so many theories floating around, there are bound to be a couple that just leave your head spinning! Tonight, those are the theories which we will be discussing! [19:16] <fawkes28> This chat - called "Wacky theories" - is more of a mixed bag of some of the more "out there" theories. We've tried to not to include any theories that have been shot down by JKR previously, so this chat will be on theories that she hasn't batted down yet. [19:16] <fawkes28> In the spirit of keeping things light and fun, let's try to hammer out exactly what makes these theories possible or impossible! On with the questions! [19:17] <fawkes28> Some of the strangest theories involve the identity and fate of a certain "RAB". Do you accept that "RAB" is Regulus Black, brother of Sirius? If not, who else could "RAB" be? [19:17] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah I think he is [19:17] <BrettMac> Rubeus Hagrid Black.. [19:17] <harrypotterfreak4> i think he is [19:17] <MrMcGonagall> I totally accept it. [19:17] <nympheart> I've always thought it was Regulus [19:17] <KimmyBlair> I think he is also [19:17] <NiGHTS> Oh RAB is soooo Rodolphus Black ! [19:17] <kaelgirl> I think that RAB being Regulus is a bit overused and maybe Jo has changed it [19:17] <KimmyBlair> Jo seemed to agree with it as much as she could [19:17] <BrettMac> its regulus. thats the way i first read the book, and thats how im staying. [19:17] <NiGHTS> Regulus even !!! [19:17] <pinklaura> I think he is too [19:17] <Val_Halla> Probably it is Regulus, but maybe it is Sirius' uncle Alphard [19:17] <KimmyBlair> you can't change it! [19:17] <ProngsPatronus> that's the first name that came to mind, and it has the elegance of simplicity [19:17] <KimmyBlair> she had a plan for YEARS she can't just change the plan! [19:18] <Aislinn> I think anybody else would be a big stretch [19:18] <kaelgirl> I thought Regulus at first...maybe it is. [19:18] <Pellinore> nah RAB = Hagrid he just couldn't speel [19:18] <fawkes28> yes, but it would be pretty wacky if it wasnt regulus laugh [19:18] <nympheart> Are you sure, nights? It could be Bella and the bottom of the "B" got smudged! [19:18] *** mary6243 has joined #lounge [19:18] <KimmyBlair> HAHAHAH Pell [19:18] <kaelgirl> I would, though. Just to mix things up [19:18] <Poet> I definitely think it's Regulus [19:18] <NiGHTS> it's the whole "locket from the cupboard" bit that seals it for me, personally [19:18] <KimmyBlair> It could be a new character [19:18] <KimmyBlair> that we don't even know of [19:18] <MrMcGonagall> Possibly an older member of the Black family, but I don't think so. [19:18] <KimmyBlair> but I agree NiGHTS.. we've seen the locket [19:18] <BrettMac> maybe [19:18] <harrypotterfreak4> i don't think jo is going to be introducing new characters [19:18] *** Shard has joined #lounge [19:18] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Shard [19:18] <mary6243> hi shard [19:18] <BrettMac> hey shard [19:18] <harrypotterfreak4> hi shard [19:18] <nympheart> hi Shard [19:18] <Shard> Hello Everyone [19:18] <fawkes28> hi shard [19:18] <kaelgirl> What if RAB was some sort of nickname for someone like McGonagall?...highly unlikely, but still [19:19] <NiGHTS> also, on the Black Family tree: Regulus "Alphard" Black [19:19] <fawkes28> Amelia Bones [19:19] <nympheart> like the Half-Blood Prince [19:19] <mary6243> YEAH! [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> well, we see LV interacting with people his own age or younger as Death Eaters--but no one of that older generation [19:19] <Gryffinclaw> That's a good one fawkes [19:19] <kaelgirl> was his middle name mentioned on the family tree? [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> not as a DE, anyway [19:19] <KimmyBlair> ohh good point PP [19:19] <NiGHTS> on JKR's copy [19:19] <Poet> Yes, the fact that Sirius didn't see his brother for so many years, and then he died while Sirius was in prison - I think there's a story we don't yet know [19:19] <NiGHTS> the one she put up for auction [19:19] <BrettMac> rudolphette amelia bones... she goes by her middle name tongue [19:19] <NiGHTS> lol [19:19] <harrypotterfreak4> hehe brett [19:19] <Shard> \I honeslty feel it is Regulus Arcturus Blackl [19:19] <Val_Halla> lol Brett [19:19] <KimmyBlair> You can view the Family tree up on the Lexicon [19:19] <kaelgirl> ohhh [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> interesting thought, Brett [19:20] <Gryffinclaw> i like the bloody baron theory and the reason he is so bloody is because of an inferi attack and peeves respects him because peeves went with him [19:20] <BrettMac> oh, ill go check that out can someone post the link? [19:20] <kaelgirl> I wouldn't blame her, Brett [19:20] <Shard> .... [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> We do all assume it was a DE who found the locket horcrux first. [19:20] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [19:20] <BrettMac> i like that actually, gryffinclaw [19:20] <nympheart> hi cloudpic [19:20] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [19:20] <Gryffinclaw> probably [19:20] <Gryffinclaw> Hi cloudpic [19:20] <fawkes28> There is a theory about Regulus still being alive, but only appeared dead by employment of the Draught of Living Death. Do you think it is possible that Regulus Black is still alive? Why or why not? [19:20] <Shard> Theres a reason to think it is a DE [19:20] <mary6243> hi cloudpic!!! [19:20] <Val_Halla> That's an interesting point Mr M [19:20] <KimmyBlair> http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html [19:20] <Gryffinclaw> No [19:20] <kaelgirl> no. [19:20] <ProngsPatronus> I think so--who else besides DD knows anything about him? [19:21] <harrypotterfreak4> it would be neat if he was alive [19:21] <KimmyBlair> No I dont' [19:21] <Gryffinclaw> If he's RAB he's dead [19:21] <kaelgirl> LV would've killed him personally [19:21] <nympheart> no, I think if he were alive he would have gotten the house and not Sirius [19:21] <KimmyBlair> i beleive JKR stated he's dead [19:21] <pinklaura> since RAB referred to LV as "the dark lord", i would think the person is/was a death eater [19:21] <Gryffinclaw> or out of his mind [19:21] <fawkes28> it would make the story more interesting if he was alive - but i think he is dead [19:21] <MrMcGonagall> I think she did, Kimmy. [19:21] <KimmyBlair> I agree nymph [19:21] <cloudpic> It never occured to me.... yikes, out of the loop! [19:21] <BrettMac> thanks kimmy smile [19:21] <NiGHTS> it would be an axcellent twist for him to be alive and able to assist Harry on his quest [19:21] <KimmyBlair> anytime! [19:21] <NiGHTS> excellent [19:21] <fawkes28> we cant have too many people helping Harry - he needs to complete the Hero's Journey alone smile [19:21] * KimmyBlair runs off for a second to stir pasta [19:21] <MrMcGonagall> There were some good theories about him being alive though. Stubby Boardman. Hehe. [19:21] <kaelgirl> nah, Harry has to do it alone. Thats how I feel [19:21] <Shard> Not nessarly Fawkes [19:21] <kaelgirl> you got to it first, Fawkes [19:21] <NiGHTS> I think he's going to need a lot of assistance yet though [19:22] <Shard> I think Harry is going to need all the help he can get [19:22] <Val_Halla> I loved the Stubby Boardman theory [19:22] *** mary6243 has quit [Bye] [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> JKR said he was dead, though--I just cannot get past that [19:22] <Val_Halla> until it was shot down [19:22] <NiGHTS> lol@StubbY ! [19:22] *** Professor_Nigellus has joined #lounge [19:22] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [19:22] <KimmyBlair> I love dhte Stubby Boardman theory too!!! [19:22] <Shard> He can't get through all those Dementors, Werewolves, Giants, Inferi and DE and god only knows what else ALL on his own [19:22] <BrettMac> i think hes dead...it would make no sense for him to be alive. he thought he would die, sirius thought he was dead, i think its safe to say hes dead [19:22] <Gryffinclaw> Hi Proffessor [19:22] <KimmyBlair> that was a great theory, and a perfect example of Jo hiding somthing for us to see later and go "DUH!: [19:22] <Shard> It's just the last fight with him and LV that needs to be mono e mono [19:22] <cloudpic> Oh, dear.. Regulus is Stubby? But it seems unlikely that Lord Voldemort wouldn't "catch" him... unless he diddidn't have a Dark Mark [19:22] <kaelgirl> I think that everyone that has been stated "dead" in the book is dead. [19:22] <NiGHTS> I believe RAB is dead too; think help will come from other quarters [19:23] * cloudpic stuttering with bewilderment [19:23] <Shard> No Peter was stated dead and he wasn't [19:23] <Poet> Of course Harry has the ownership of #12 Grimmauld. I think it only makes sense that the Black are all dead. [19:23] *** hpaddict has joined #lounge [19:23] <fawkes28> but remember now everyone thought Sirius was dead too [19:23] <BrettMac> lol cloud [19:23] <kaelgirl> true [19:23] <nympheart> does polyjuice potion hide the dark mark? [19:23] <KimmyBlair> People thougth Sirius was dead? [19:23] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [19:23] <fawkes28> nevermind laugh [19:23] <BrettMac> yes, i think so [19:23] <NiGHTS> yes [19:23] <KimmyBlair> oh jeez [19:23] <cloudpic> It'd be nice to replace Sirius [19:23] * fawkes28 whacks herself [19:23] <cloudpic> LOL [19:23] <hpaddict> what wacky theory are you on? [19:23] <KimmyBlair> Kelly are you starting SiriusIsNotDead.com [19:23] <nympheart> I don't think Sirius should be replaced [19:23] <harrypotterfreak4> lol [19:23] <NiGHTS> lol [19:23] <ProngsPatronus> hey, hpaddict [19:23] <cloudpic> Yeah, you're right nympheart [19:23] <hpaddict> Heya Prongs! [19:24] <NiGHTS> brb ... need hot chocolate [19:24] <fawkes28> apparently, I am laugh [19:24] *** Narya has joined #lounge [19:24] <futureweasley> hi hpaddict [19:24] <KimmyBlair> GINA! [19:24] <futureweasley> hi Narya [19:24] <Val_Halla> hi Narya [19:24] <fawkes28> hey narya [19:24] <Gryffinclaw> Hi hpaddict, Narya [19:24] <MrMcGonagall> Is Regulus alive? [19:24] <KimmyBlair> We're talking about RAB [19:24] <fawkes28> Was Sirius mistaken that Regulus was not important enough to be killed by Lord Voldemort himself? What other fate might Regulus have met? [19:24] <harrypotterfreak4> hi narya [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> we are discussing RAB, Narya! [19:24] <BrettMac> i dont think [19:24] <Narya> hi all [19:24] <nympheart> well, I could be completely ridiculous and say that it wasn't DD who was helping Harry, it was Regulus [19:24] <hpaddict> KIMMY [19:24] <hpaddict> :P [19:24] <futureweasley> I don't know...I think that he'd dead as a doornail, personally [19:24] <harrypotterfreak4> maybe snape killed him [19:24] <cloudpic> Bella meat? [19:24] <hpaddict> :LOL: [19:24] <Val_Halla> I DO think Sirius was mistaken [19:24] <Narya> yes, Regulus is alive [19:24] <kaelgirl> Sirius was in prison for a while, so I don't think he knew that Regulus could be on the brink of something important [19:24] <futureweasley> if he weren't, Grimmauld Place would not have gone to Harry [19:24] <nympheart> I think Sirius's opinion is biased and Regulus was closer to LV than he thought [19:24] <KimmyBlair> Dead! [19:24] <BrettMac> i think regulus was killed by a DE... [19:24] <hpaddict> narya - no way [19:24] <hpaddict> no way [19:24] <hpaddict> ALIVE? [19:25] <Narya> yep [19:25] <hpaddict> I know you hope for Sirius [19:25] <Narya> wacky theories, right? [19:25] <Pellinore> Regulus = Stubby Boardman, leader of the RotFang Conspiricy [19:25] <hpaddict> but the broski too? [19:25] <Narya> I don't hope for Sirius [19:25] <NYBookworm> maybe he was killed by an auror before the DE's or LV got to him? [19:25] <fawkes28> Regulus was definitely killed by Lord Voldemort [19:25] <Narya> but Regulus, definitely [19:25] <futureweasley> LOL Rotfang Conspiracy [19:25] <hpaddict> deadder than a doornail [19:25] <cloudpic> How do you know fawkes? [19:25] <pinklaura> i feel like regulus might have died from the potion in the cave [19:25] <BrettMac> OH! i just had a cool theory. what if, since the blacks were big voldy supporters, lv forced mrs black to kill her own son? [19:25] <BrettMac> nah, nvm, she wouldnt do that [19:25] * futureweasley knew she loved hpaddict for a reason [19:25] <hpaddict> I think she would brettmac [19:25] <fawkes28> it was just a feeling i had after Sirius said that he wasn't important enough [19:25] <kaelgirl> kinda a cruel punishment [19:25] <nympheart> I think Kreacher was the one who drank the potion [19:25] <Narya> well, we'll see who's right [19:25] <hpaddict> Walpurga is a nutter [19:25] <Poet> Yes, the fact that Sirius says that he wasn't killed by Voldie makes me think he was smile [19:25] <KimmyBlair> I dont' think he was killed by Voldie [19:25] <cloudpic> Yeah, I think she might, Brett... that'd explain why her portrait is so... strident [19:26] <futureweasley> oh, I do Kimmy [19:26] <BrettMac> she always called him the "better son", i dont think shed just go kill him... [19:26] <KimmyBlair> DIdn't Jo say somthing about who killed him? [19:26] <futureweasley> I think he took it to Regulus [19:26] <harrypotterfreak4> so do i nypmh and that's why he's crazy [19:26] <Pellinore> Or Regulus is an Infiri with the locket around his neck at the bottom of the lake.. would explain why when Harry said "Accio Horcurx" only one Infiri poped up.. because he was wearing it. [19:26] <Narya> I've hung on to that theory for ages now - no one ever takes me seriously [19:26] <fawkes28> why not, kimmy? [19:26] <hpaddict> I think he was killed by a DE [19:26] <nympheart> How about Regulus wasn't exactly killed, he died on a quest for another Horcrux? [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know. I think he was killed by other DEs. I don't think LV knew about the horcrux, which would have been a compelling reason for him to take RAB personally. [19:26] <BrettMac> i like that theory, pellinore [19:26] <fawkes28> which one, hpaddict? [19:26] <KimmyBlair> I just think that Voldie wouldn't of killed him if he had a Horcrux [19:26] <futureweasley> I couldn't find anything about it while doing my research, Kimmy... [19:26] <Gryffinclaw> i like the theory pellinore mentioned [19:26] <hpaddict> which theory is it? I mean - what is the whole idea behind his still living? [19:26] <cloudpic> I agree, hpaddict... or Voldie would have gone hunting [19:26] <NiGHTS> ***offers around a big tray of mugs of chocolate*** [19:26] <Poet> I too have wondered if he died due to the cave potion, but I think it's more likely Kreacher drank it than Regulus [19:26] <cloudpic> He'd never let a "dare" stand [19:26] <Narya> biggrin the whole DolD thing [19:26] <hpaddict> Ah [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> I think Snape knows for sure [19:27] <KimmyBlair> granetd it's likeyly vodlie nvere new it was gone [19:27] <Narya> I did say it was wacky [19:27] <hpaddict> his death eaters [19:27] <hpaddict> I don't think that LV could be fooled by that [19:27] <kaelgirl> I don't think he did, how else would he have written the note? [19:27] <KimmyBlair> me to Poet! [19:27] <hpaddict> but I see [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> thanks, NiGHT [19:27] <hpaddict> the reports to LV is that RAB is dead [19:27] <pinklaura> well, poet, then why is kreacher still alive, though? [19:27] <hpaddict> and DD has been hiding him [19:27] <hpaddict> unbeknownst to the entire order [19:27] <harrypotterfreak4> kreacher went insane [19:27] <KimmyBlair> Maybe he got taken in by the Inferi [19:27] <Narya> could be [19:27] <pinklaura> that potion seems kinda nasty [19:27] <KimmyBlair> ohh that could explain how Kreacher went insane [19:27] <Gryffinclaw> Kreacher had his brain muddled by the dold [19:27] <harrypotterfreak4> maybe the potion affects humans differently from other creatures [19:27] <BrettMac> but it didnt kill DD... but he is dumbledore, so... [19:27] <hpaddict> kreacher has stockholm syndrome [19:27] <Narya> why did Snape make such a thing of it in PS? [19:28] <BrettMac> lol hpaddict [19:28] <Poet> Kreacher used to clean the house but stopped doing so while Sirius was in prison for some reason... [19:28] <fawkes28> this is all so wacky laugh [19:28] <hpaddict> because DoLD matters [19:28] <Pellinore> Regulus may have drank it or had someone else drink it then when they needed water the infiri overwelmed them and dragged them to the bottom. [19:28] <kaelgirl> very true, hpaddict [19:28] <cloudpic> I believe he safely left the cave after taking the locket. Hid the locket (or left it with Kreacher) and then got nailed by one of Voldie's DE's [19:28] <Narya> of course it does [19:28] <hpaddict> but I don't think with regulus [19:28] <NiGHTS> the question I desperately want answered is how the hell did RAB find out about the cave ... we can imagine he guessed the horcrux bit but how did he find the cave ??? [19:28] <hpaddict> unless he's been transfigured as well [19:28] <Narya> to hide Regulus biggrin [19:28] <nympheart> not even when sirius was in prison, Poet, Sirius left when he was 16 [19:28] <futureweasley> DoLD does matter...but I don't think it matters when it comes to Regulus [19:28] <cloudpic> Unless Kreacher is pulling a golum... [19:28] <hpaddict> I don't think DD would hide that from Sirius [19:28] <fawkes28> Professor Dumbledore tells Harry in HBP that he injured his wand hand in an attempt to destroy the Gaunt ring. However, there has been speculation that Dumbledore's hand was injured another way. This theory revolves around the central idea that Dumbledore impersonated Snape at Spinner's End and took the unbreakable vow with Narcissa. Do you think that it was Dumbledore's plan to impersonate Snape and make the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa? Wh [19:28] <hpaddict> since all else was hidden and taken away [19:28] <Gryffinclaw> Nooooooo [19:28] <hpaddict> Oy [19:28] <Narya> we'll see! [19:28] <pinklaura> whoa [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think Regulus found out that LV was a half-blood [19:29] <Val_Halla> No way [19:29] <Gryffinclaw> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [19:29] <fawkes28> narya, do you believe this? [19:29] <BrettMac> oh! i think... that could very well be plausible [19:29] <nympheart> I share Gryffinclaw's, opinion [19:29] <kaelgirl> no [19:29] <cloudpic> No. Dumbledore is not that big a liar. [19:29] <Narya> me? [19:29] <Narya> which one? [19:29] <harrypotterfreak4> i thought this for a while, but i don't think so now [19:29] <Narya> the impersonating bit? [19:29] <hpaddict> that was one is wacky for sure fawkes [19:29] <kaelgirl> That was definitely Snape [19:29] <hpaddict> You know - how DD said I know Tom's style at the cave? [19:29] <futureweasley> I personally love this theory...and support it 1000% [19:29] <NiGHTS> no ... for simple reason that if he had, there was no need for Snape to kill him on top of the tower ! [19:29] <Pellinore> Nah... not buying into the switch places bit. [19:29] <Gryffinclaw> No because then DD would have to kill himself not Snape kill DD [19:29] <Narya> I don't believe it [19:29] <hpaddict> Hiding via transfiguration is Slughorn's style not Dumbledore [19:29] <cloudpic> I wouldn't be surprised if Dumbledore traded places with someone, but why lie? [19:29] <ProngsPatronus> nope--I don't believe DD would impersonate anyone [19:29] <hpaddict> he confronts in plain sight [19:29] <Narya> DD didn't do that kind of thing [19:29] <fawkes28> Do you think that it was Dumbledore's plan to impersonate Snape and make the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa? Why or why not? [19:29] <nympheart> I think the Vow was what started the arguement between DD and Snape, meaning DD probably didn't know [19:29] <fawkes28> Do you think that it was Dumbledore's plan to impersonate Snape and make the Unbreakable Vow with Narcissa? Why or why not? [19:29] <hpaddict> everything he said is open - even if one does not know the context [19:30] <harrypotterfreak4> because then i think the unbreakable would have been with dumbledore, not snape even though he was impersonating snape [19:30] <Aislinn> this seems to be a popular theory, but I don't think DD would either, Narya [19:30] <hpaddict> Again, not his style [19:30] <Gryffinclaw> If DD had made the UV then he would have had to kill himself [19:30] <cloudpic> No. I don't think that happened. How would they know she planned to ask for the Unbreakable Vow? [19:30] <futureweasley> I think that DD didn't want to put Snape in danger of being put in the sort of position he knew Snape would find himself in [19:30] <Narya> DD does not impersonate - not a hope for that one [19:30] <nympheart> I don't think anyone can take a Vow for someone else, it has to be you [19:30] <NiGHTS> that scene, at Spinners End, it's just too Snape for it to have been someone impersonating him [19:30] <BrettMac> OMG OMG! THEORY ATTACK! what if dd made himself look like snape through the whole book, and made snape look like him. thats why snape coldnt teach harry occlumency that year, because the real snape was pretending to be dd. so if thats true then snape would have offered his life to save dumbledore, and find the horcrux and... [19:30] <hpaddict> I believe this myth has been busted! [19:30] <nympheart> lol hpaddict [19:30] <fawkes28> wide open [19:30] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah otherwise the conditions are set for you [19:30] <Poet> No I don't think he injured it doing an unbreakable vow. I think it was some pretty dark magic that caused that injury. [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think this theory has much merit. I can't see DD making this kind of vow. [19:30] <harrypotterfreak4> i think that would make the whole polyjuice poition switcheroo a bit over used [19:30] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:31] <hpaddict> nympheart must also watch the discovery channel [19:31] <Shard> Albus Deumbledore is dead [19:31] <cbm> Hi everyone! [19:31] <hpaddict> LOL [19:31] <hpaddict> he is! [19:31] <Val_Halla> Why would the vow injure him? [19:31] <Shard> and is going to STAY dead [19:31] <KimmyBlair> yeah he's dead [19:31] <fawkes28> than a doornail [19:31] <kaelgirl> wow Brett. Very interesting [19:31] <Gryffinclaw> Hi cbm [19:31] * nympheart does watch the discovery channel [19:31] <harrypotterfreak4> lol hpaddict [19:31] <Pellinore> Not. I seriously doubt they would have time to switch places just before those 2 showed up and how would they even know about the unscheduled meeting. Especially with wormtail there [19:31] <KimmyBlair> i doubt snape would let DD impersonate him [19:31] <hpaddict> Best point yet, Kimmy [19:31] <cloudpic> If anyone impersonated Dumbledore... it was likely Aberforth and only when Albus was off hoarcrux hunting (as cover) [19:31] <KimmyBlair> (i know! j/k) [19:31] <hpaddict> to get both DD AND Snape to agree [19:31] <kaelgirl> I think DD wouldn't do anything like that [19:31] <Poet> I agree cloudpic [19:31] <NiGHTS> I think it stands there as yet another almost unsolvable problem for Harry (i.e. it's a great plot device): Hopw the hell is "he" going to destroy the horcruxes when DD barely survived the curse [19:31] <kaelgirl> maybe someone else. not him, though [19:31] <BrettMac> hmmm... [19:32] <Pellinore> toss'm into the veil like Sooner mentioned ;) [19:32] <KimmyBlair> plu i don't think Snape new the sisters were heading to his house [19:32] <harrypotterfreak4> i think it may be easier for harry though because he and voldemort are connected [19:32] <Gryffinclaw> No [19:32] * BrettMac 's head hurts... a LOT. [19:32] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:32] <NiGHTS> Yeah, that's been my idea about it ... seems only way [19:32] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think even DD could pull off an effective enough imitation of Snape. Snape was just too Snapeish in Spinner's End for it to be DD under teh guise of polyjuice. [19:32] <fawkes28> but DD may have known they were coming [19:32] <Poet> I think Snape does just fine as a spy and Snape doesn't need someone to switch with him [19:32] <KimmyBlair> and i think there is a lesser chance he knew she was going to propose an unbreakable vow [19:32] <futureweasley> the wacky theories do take some excedrin at times [19:32] <kaelgirl> lol yes MrM [19:32] <cloudpic> Perhaps Dumbledore has "solved" the means of destroying the hoarcruxes (in spite of the hand damage) and has left the info in the pensieve? [19:32] <hpaddict> But he is also capable of making split second decisions [19:32] <NiGHTS> interesting theory that one though ! [19:32] <kaelgirl> DD isn't that good of an impersonator [19:32] <KimmyBlair> plus i imagie petigrew would of notice [19:33] <KimmyBlair> noticed snape leaving... [19:33] <nympheart> lol, that's a point MrM, Snape's a hard one to get into like that [19:33] <cloudpic> Harry still has to Find Them... but will know what to do when he gets them? [19:33] <KimmyBlair> acting differntly upon returning [19:33] <fawkes28> Another theory that involved Dumbledore and Snape is that Dumbledore and Snape switched places on the night that Dumbledore died, meaning that it is really Snape that died to keep Professor Dumbledore safe. Even though JKR has said directly that "Dumbledore is gone", do you think there is any merit in this theory? Why or why not? [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think that a Death Mark can be simulated [19:33] <KimmyBlair> I think petigrew had to stay with Snape [19:33] <nympheart> no [19:33] <KimmyBlair> no [19:33] <cloudpic> No. [19:33] <BrettMac> thats what i said... *koffkoff* [19:33] <Gryffinclaw> No, JKR says he's dead he's dead [19:33] <kaelgirl> No. Dumbledore is Dead!! [19:33] <hpaddict> Oh - the switcheroo theory [19:33] <KimmyBlair> (and i agree pp) [19:33] <Val_Halla> Snape was the one in the Cave - not! [19:33] <harrypotterfreak4> Dumbledore is dead!....but i have my own pet theory on that subject [19:33] <nympheart> Snape was then not protecting Draco like he promised [19:33] <hpaddict> I don't buy this one either [19:33] <Narya> LOL - I can just see JKR writing that one - absolutely not [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> No. When did we see DD drink anything other than icky green potion the entire time he and Harry were gone? [19:33] <Pellinore> JkR said Dumbledore is dead... good enough for me.. next theory ;) [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> no--I think this theory is born of denial [19:34] <kaelgirl> switch theories are what I consider "cheating" [19:34] <NYBookworm> no because I think DD needed to have died and there's more to Snape's story we need to find out in 7 [19:34] <fawkes28> we should have asked the people from that website to come in here tonight laugh [19:34] <NiGHTS> No ... I don't think Snape has the powers demonstrated in the cave, as powerful as he undoubtedly is [19:34] <Aislinn> Actually, Snape is not the one I've seen being proposed as switching with DD that night [19:34] <Pellinore> hehe Prongs smile [19:34] <hpaddict> I think you are right Prongs [19:34] <Narya> DD is dead - the hero goes on alone - it's not her style [19:34] <hpaddict> was popular when DD still might not be dead [19:34] <hpaddict> that is just it [19:34] <nympheart> you mean Slughorn, Aislinn [19:34] <harrypotterfreak4> slughorn aislinn? [19:34] <hpaddict> forget canon [19:34] <fawkes28> who switched then, Aislinn? [19:34] <hpaddict> part of the hero's quest [19:34] <Aislinn> right, nymph [19:34] <NiGHTS> I thought at the time that DD and Slughorn had swapped for the night [19:34] <Narya> right, hpaddict [19:34] <NiGHTS> Yeah !!!! [19:34] <KimmyBlair> the guy with the beard has to die [19:34] <Aislinn> Slughorn - there is a Scribby essay that mentions it [19:34] <Narya> LOL Kimmy! [19:34] <NiGHTS> because of how often he goes "Aho!" [19:34] <NiGHTS> lol [19:34] <MrMcGonagall> People just don't want to believe that DD is dead. They'll clutch at any straw. [19:34] <KimmyBlair> although sluggy has a beard right? [19:34] <cloudpic> The guy with a beard... Hagrid?? [19:34] <cloudpic> LOL [19:35] <nympheart> I wanted to believe DD was dead [19:35] <harrypotterfreak4> i know dumby's dead, but it's my own pet theory that he's been reborn as a phoenix [19:35] <hpaddict> Well said Kimmy [19:35] <BrettMac> rubeus hagrid black, thats him smile [19:35] <hpaddict> but no Gandalf here [19:35] <pinklaura> That means that JKR's efforts to paint snape as good and bad woudl be pointles, because snape would now be dead [19:35] <kaelgirl> I think that it was Dumbledore. Period. If he comes back in DH, I'll be even more POed than when he died. [19:35] <NiGHTS> awwwww hpf ! [19:35] <Pellinore> Sluggy was probably suggested because he's not liked and easier to accept as being gone. ;p [19:35] <cbm> Fawkes Lament convinced me that Albus Dumbedore was dead and JKR just cemented it [19:35] <kaelgirl> I agre, ecm [19:35] *** matilda has joined #lounge [19:35] <hpaddict> wasn't that the most powerful? Couldn't you just hear the song? [19:35] <kaelgirl> *cbm [19:35] <nympheart> hi matilda [19:35] <NiGHTS> also, Slughorn was very powerful and "could" have got into the cave ect [19:35] <hpaddict> and that it made harry sad - but also was what calmed him [19:35] <BrettMac> i like the theory that he had a phoenix animagus, though [19:35] <Gryffinclaw> I like Sluggy [19:35] <matilda> hi yall! [19:35] <harrypotterfreak4> i think he is a phoenix now brett [19:35] <Gryffinclaw> My favourite potion master [19:36] <kaelgirl> hey matilda [19:36] <Gryffinclaw> Hi matilda [19:36] <fawkes28> hey matilda [19:36] <cloudpic> Slugghorn is too lazy... he'd have gotten someone else to do it [19:36] <NiGHTS> wow ! busy tonight ! [19:36] <harrypotterfreak4> reborn from the ashes when his tomb burst into flames [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> lol cp. [19:36] <hpaddict> CP is right though [19:36] <kaelgirl> this is a great turnout smile [19:36] <Narya> clever as DD was, I can't even see him as an animagus - that's been done [19:36] <Val_Halla> That would be nice hpf4 [19:36] <hpaddict> he is self serving [19:36] <Pellinore> If DD had a Pheonix as a Horcrux now that'd be tough to get rid of ohmy [19:36] <fawkes28> everyone loves wacky theories! [19:36] <BrettMac> i would love to take science or something from sluggy... i can see him being the best teacher ever [19:36] <hpaddict> No DD horcruxes [19:36] <kaelgirl> Dumbledore can't have a horcrux [19:36] <nympheart> DD would never have a Horcrux [19:36] <hpaddict> I think that is a wacky theory [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> DD would not have a Horcrux [19:36] <kaelgirl> its too dark for him [19:36] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah but wouldn't the pheonix dieeach year [19:36] <hpaddict> as horcruxes represent the worst one can do [19:36] <NiGHTS> could do though narya (& by the way, is that narya from LotR's?) [19:36] <Narya> DD would never create a horcrux [19:36] <Aislinn> no, no, no - that is blasphemy! [19:37] <fawkes28> LOL [19:37] <Narya> yes it is NiGHTS [19:37] <KimmyBlair> well it's only the worst thing you can do becuase it involves murder [19:37] <matilda> Horcruxes go against everything DD stands for [19:37] <NiGHTS> cool 8-) [19:37] <KimmyBlair> but DD HAD to murder someone [19:37] <KimmyBlair> he might of made some use of that [19:37] <cloudpic> I agree, Aislinn.... a violation of the premise of the series [19:37] <Aislinn> we don't know that he murdered kimmy [19:37] <harrypotterfreak4> i don't think so kimmy [19:37] <KimmyBlair> we don't [19:37] <Narya> LOL Kimmy - DD never murdered anyone [19:37] <kaelgirl> but its splitting your soul [19:37] <BrettMac> off topic, but ive always thought that the horcrux was in the body, not the actual life of the person, so that helps support the famous harry is a horcrux theory biggrin (which im quite a fan of) [19:37] <cloudpic> Someone murdered Kimmy?????? [19:37] <KimmyBlair> hahah [19:37] <cbm> He had to kill someone, not murder [19:37] <KimmyBlair> i'm saying it's possible [19:37] <nympheart> lol [19:37] <cloudpic> Oh... misread, sorry [19:37] <KimmyBlair> i'm not saying i beleive it [19:37] <Aislinn> and even if he did, he would not have separated a bit of his soul out of his body and into a Horcrux [19:37] <matilda> Right. DD is against sou-splitting, not just against murder [19:37] * KimmyBlair is dead [19:37] <Pellinore> chuckle, sorry to go off topic ohmy.. didn't expect such an emotional reponse to that one ;o [19:37] <futureweasley> no! [19:37] <BrettMac> so you could make a horcrux from a person and if they died it would still be there [19:37] <Shard> There is no way DD made a horcrux [19:38] <Gryffinclaw> yeah if DD had a horcrux why would he need Slughorns memory to explain wha Horcruxs are [19:38] <Narya> * Narya says no Horcruxes for DD - ever [19:38] <NiGHTS> no way did DD ever create a horxrux [19:38] <kaelgirl> lol Pellinore [19:38] <Narya> if that appears in book seven, I'm eating my book [19:38] <kaelgirl> I'm very passionate in my own theories and when it comes to going against them [19:38] <Aislinn> I totally agree, narya - never, never [19:38] <NiGHTS> see, can't even spell it I'm so against that idea [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, DD only wanted to know the number of horcruxes. He already knew Riddle had created at least one. [19:38] <hpaddict> I think DD could have killed [19:38] * Shard feels like he is being a wet blanket on alot of these theories [19:38] <Gryffinclaw> Lol Narya [19:38] <Narya> hpaddict!!! [19:38] <Narya> never! [19:38] <hpaddict> Oh yes [19:38] <Pellinore> * hands Narya some tartar sauce to go with her bindings [19:38] <fawkes28> Continuing with Dumbledore: how did Dumbledore procure his magical ability? What is his family background? Is Dumbledore the heir of Gryffindor? [19:38] <BrettMac> hes too noble for that. remember, mcgonagall once said he has "just as many powers as voldy, hes just too noble to use them". that could be one [19:38] <hpaddict> He would for the greater good [19:38] <NiGHTS> I think DD could kill if he had to, just that he would never use it as a way to mutilate his soul [19:38] <nympheart> I'm not sure if he cold have or not [19:38] * Shard shakes head [19:38] <BrettMac> NO [19:39] <futureweasley> I agree hpaddict...he's the ultimate protector [19:39] <KimmyBlair> if you had to kill someone to save the ntire wolrd... woould you do it [19:39] <Narya> never never [19:39] <Gryffinclaw> Yes [19:39] <hpaddict> I do think it is okay (stop ganging up on Kimmy) [19:39] <hpaddict> Grindlewald? [19:39] <NiGHTS> I think he might just be !!! [19:39] <BrettMac> the heir of gryffindor theory honestly makes me angry [19:39] <Narya> oh no [19:39] <hpaddict> Another one not being hugged to death [19:39] <Aislinn> right brett [19:39] <futureweasley> bingo [19:39] <Narya> Defeated, yes, [19:39] * fawkes28 raises hand and says that she thinks DD is the heir of Gryffindor [19:39] <Val_Halla> Maybe ... it would explain why he has Gryffindor's sword [19:39] <Narya> killed no [19:39] <kaelgirl> I don't think there is any more heirs except Voldie [19:39] <cbm> But kimmy, that is not murder [19:39] <cloudpic> Talent and long hard study... with wonderful curiosity and persistence. [19:39] <hpaddict> Killed yes [19:39] <hpaddict> gandalf killed [19:39] <Gryffinclaw> I think DD is the heir [19:39] <Poet> I would love for him to be the heir, but I have a feeling he is not [19:39] <Narya> I'm not reading DH if I find out DD killed [19:39] <hpaddict> War is war [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's not as wacky as some theories, but even if true I don't think DD accorded it any importance. [19:39] <Gryffinclaw> of gryffindor [19:39] <nympheart> I'm not sure if I think he is or not [19:39] <Narya> for DD, not that kind of war [19:39] <Pellinore> I think JkR shot down the Heir of Gryff a while ago. I'd love to know of his background. Might not be that exceptional.. just look at goatboy. [19:39] <NiGHTS> JKR has said that he is largely self-taught but you have to imagine he came from an extremely eccentric and magically powerful family [19:39] <fawkes28> there needs to be an heir - who else is more perfect than DD? [19:39] <Aislinn> I think it is within the realm of possibility that DD could be an heir of Gryffindor [19:39] <futureweasley> Jo said that DD was self-taught...but I think there has got to be some basis for his extraordinary ability [19:39] <Narya> and when did Gandalf kill - totally ot? [19:39] <Aislinn> he does have the sword [19:39] <BrettMac> its so... unlike jo. its cheating your way out of a good story. everything could be solved with "oh, well thats because he's the heir of gryffindor" [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> I think that DD recognises Harry's pure heart because it is like his own [19:40] <hpaddict> Wait - fawkes - why does there need to be an heir [19:40] <hpaddict> this is what I don't get [19:40] <Shard> Why does there need to be an Heir Fawkes?? [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> Like calls to like [19:40] <cbm> The sword first appeared when harry pulled it out of the hat [19:40] <kaelgirl> I agree, Brett [19:40] <Narya> good one, PP [19:40] <hpaddict> because blood meant something to salazar [19:40] <hpaddict> but the others [19:40] <hpaddict> not as much [19:40] <hpaddict> it was judge on the person [19:40] <hpaddict> and their talents [19:40] <fawkes28> yes, there is so much focus on the founders [19:40] <hpaddict> and choices [19:40] <NiGHTS> it would be brilliant if Fawkes was once Grffindor's phoenix ! [19:40] <Shard> Exaclty [19:40] <fawkes28> and we already have the slytherin heir [19:40] <nympheart> part of me thinks that there being an heir of Gryffindor is too cliche [19:40] <fawkes28> it makes sense we would find out who the gryffindor heir is [19:40] <NiGHTS> agreed nympheart [19:40] * Shard thinks there are MANY dessendants of GG, HH, and RR, unlike with SS [19:40] <KimmyBlair> Well i think ther is one [19:40] <kaelgirl> yes, nympheart [19:40] <NiGHTS> I just like the idea lol [19:40] <KimmyBlair> but it being Harry would be to cliche [19:40] <Val_Halla> No, cbm, the sword was in DD's office prior to that [19:41] <Gryffinclaw> It isn't harry [19:41] <nympheart> I think I agree Shard [19:41] <KimmyBlair> it could be like "Euan Abacrombie" [19:41] <fawkes28> i think she shot down the idea for harry [19:41] <kaelgirl> Slytherin was all about blood, but not the other founders [19:41] <Narya> Harry isn't the heir of Gryffindor [19:41] <fawkes28> but DD makes sense [19:41] <matilda> No [19:41] <MrMcGonagall> It certainly wouldn't be of the same ilk as the Heir of Slytherin. [19:41] <cloudpic> Shard.... I think you are quite right! [19:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think folks think DD is the heir because he had the sword [19:41] <BrettMac> maybe an heir of hufflepuff? (zacharias smith *cough*) [19:41] <NiGHTS> just because Slytherin's lineage was on way out does not mean same of the other 3 [19:41] <Poet> Since DD is dead, I find it unlikely he is the heir, because it wouldn't mean much to the story now. It's also Harry's story and his journey [19:41] <Shard> Thanks Cloudpic [19:41] <kaelgirl> ah, gotta go. This is such an awesome discussion! Hate to leave. Bye everyone! [19:41] <Pellinore> rather then Cliche i'd think of the heir as minimizing that character's accomplishments in the book.. oh they're just the heir.. they didn't have to do anything special it was in them all along. [19:41] <nympheart> bye kael [19:41] <Aislinn> bye kaelgirl [19:41] <Gryffinclaw> Bye Kael [19:41] <NiGHTS> Bye kaelgirl [19:41] <futureweasley> bye kael...thanks for coming [19:41] <Val_Halla> I agree with Shard - the other founders may have many descendants [19:41] <BrettMac> bye kael! [19:41] <fawkes28> very true, poet [19:41] <Shard> Good point as well Pellinore [19:41] <nympheart> true pellinore [19:42] <NiGHTS> brb need "more" hot chocolate [19:42] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [19:42] <KimmyBlair> the reason Slytherin's line died out as becuase they were into keeping the line pure [19:42] <harrypotterfreak4> lol nights [19:42] <hpaddict> I think their trinkets and objects associated with the founders is WAY more important than the bloodline [19:42] <Shard> It is not the background that matters but what they themselves choose to be [19:42] <nympheart> it plays down the abilites that they actually earned [19:42] <KimmyBlair> the other decendants would not of had this concern [19:42] <KimmyBlair> meaning there was a chance to have many offspring [19:42] * cloudpic thinks Shard should write an essay on that idea of heirs [19:42] <Gryffinclaw> true Kimmy [19:42] <Val_Halla> i agree Kimmy [19:42] <matilda> Actually unless they're blood-crazy like Slytherin, each of the other founders probably has HUNDREDS of descendents, not a single "heir" [19:42] <KimmyBlair> we've seen many pure blood families die out, but no mention of "mixed" blood [19:42] <BrettMac> true kimmy [19:42] <KimmyBlair> yeah that's what i'm thinking matilda [19:42] <fawkes28> but i think it would make for a nice connection between the past and the present if we know about who the heirs are or were [19:42] <Shard> Well maybe I should then lol [19:42] <Poet> Harry in a way is the symbolic heir if you will - he's the one who took the sword from the stone, I mean hat. DD was the mentor of the heir. [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> Hepzibah was certainly proud of her connections [19:43] <Shard> Do we have threads on possible Heirs? [19:43] *** pinklaura left #lounge [] [19:43] <hpaddict> right [19:43] <hpaddict> we did in NMN - kinda [19:43] <BrettMac> ive always wanted to write a scribby essay on harry is a horcrux, but i was looking at old issues and that sbeen done...sorry off topic i know sad [19:43] <hpaddict> narya [19:43] <hpaddict> is that one really old and buried? [19:43] <Narya> yes? biggrin [19:43] <hpaddict> the names of the founders [19:43] <Narya> probably not [19:43] <Narya> I'll hunt for it [19:43] <Shard> CAn we start a new one if there isn't one? [19:43] * fawkes28 would love to post in a thread on the Founders [19:44] <cloudpic> Thank you hpaddict and Narya [19:44] * Shard agress [19:44] <Narya> yep [19:44] <hpaddict> we can figure out where it belongs [19:44] <fawkes28> woo hoo!!! 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[19:44] <fawkes28> There is a theory that Dumbledore comes from very humble beginnings. That, perhaps, his parents owned the Hog's Head. Do you think it could be a possibility? Why or why not?
[19:44] <hpaddict> there might be four threads in NMN [19:44] <Gryffinclaw> Woot for founder's heirs [19:44] <Narya> that was a Vault thread [19:44] <Pellinore> Sure... New thread on hairs, and intertwined and knotty subject to get to the very split end... [19:44] <Poet> I think it's an awesome idea. [19:44] <KimmyBlair> Love it Fawkes! [19:44] <Gryffinclaw> Yes a possibility [19:44] <BrettMac> what about ravenclaw? someone needs to make a strictly ravenclaw thread tongue [19:44] <nympheart> I think it's more likely [19:44] <harrypotterfreak4> could be [19:44] <Val_Halla> That's possible [19:45] <BrettMac> yes, i think that could be [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's possible. [19:45] <Narya> aha - there's a founders thread in Unfogging [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> I think it possible [19:45] <KimmyBlair> I see no problem with that htoery [19:45] <Pellinore> Ooo,, Hogshead hmm smile [19:45] <hpaddict> I love that more than heir of anything [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> a real self-made wizard [19:45] <nympheart> I think there was one Brett, I don't remember how long ago in Unfogging [19:45] <hpaddict> I wouldnt' be shocked if DD was a muggle born [19:45] <Narya> Neither would I [19:45] <Aislinn> I don't know why it would matter whether they did or not [19:45] <Poet> Dumbledore had been around a long time, and he grew up in a simpler time it's possible. [19:45] <KimmyBlair> oh me either hpaddict [19:45] <fawkes28> i disagree, hpaddict - the heir theory makes more sense to me [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> It wouldn't surprise me if the Dumbledores were a Hogsmeade family. [19:45] <hpaddict> really? [19:45] <hpaddict> why? [19:45] <BrettMac> thatd be cool... ive always thought of him as pure blood [19:45] <Narya> DD could be an heir, but why? [19:46] <Gryffinclaw> Maybe DD's parents kicked him out because he didn't want to carry on the family tradition of being a landlord/lady [19:46] <futureweasley> I don't really know what to think of Dumbledore's backstory...but I think his experiences are important because they likely define his ethical and moral grounds later in life [19:46] <fawkes28> because dumbledore has the same quality about him the gryffindor had [19:46] <cloudpic> Goatherd [19:46] <nympheart> I think DD's personality is more easily explained by the "humble beginnings" theory [19:46] <BrettMac> what about aberforth? [19:46] <Pellinore> I like the theory that Aberforth inherited the Hog's head since he's horrible at keeping it clean and has very few customers.. hard to stay in business that way unless you've got money from somewhere else. [19:46] <KimmyBlair> i think he still is welcome at the hog's head [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> good point, fw. [19:46] <KimmyBlair> and is still close with aberforth [19:46] *** Professor_Nigellus has quit [Bye] [19:46] <hpaddict> but again, I think that is the point of gryffindor [19:46] <hpaddict> no matter who you are - where you came from [19:46] <hpaddict> it is your CHOICES [19:46] <fawkes28> it would be nice to think he came from humble beginnings but i am not sure it was necessarily in hogsmeade [19:46] <nympheart> I think that the Hog's Head was something Albus set up for Aberforth to keep him close [19:46] <hpaddict> not your circumstances [19:46] <Narya> choices make the series [19:46] <Aislinn> very true hpaddict [19:46] <Gryffinclaw> i like it nymphheart [19:47] <fawkes28> but it doesnt matter who your ancestors are - you still make your own choices [19:47] <Gryffinclaw> His hogsmeade branch [19:47] <matilda> I think Aberforth is independent and no stooge of DD. I think if he's ath the Hog's Head, that's his own 'thing' [19:47] <Pellinore> Possible Nymph... but he still smells of goats so he's not entirely kept out of trouble ;o [19:47] <Aislinn> I think so too matilda [19:47] <Val_Halla> I agree, matilda [19:47] <hpaddict> Aberforth is comic [19:47] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:47] <hpaddict> I like him [19:47] <BrettMac> well he is in the order, right? [19:47] <Val_Halla> yep [19:47] <KimmyBlair> yes [19:47] <hpaddict> He is [19:47] <Pellinore> is or was [19:47] <Aislinn> he was the first time around [19:47] <Gryffinclaw> In the first order [19:47] <Narya> Aberforth is more talented than we know [19:47] <ProngsPatronus> I don't know, though [19:47] <Aislinn> we haven't heard for sure this time [19:47] <nympheart> I don't think Aberforth is a stooge, I just think in private, they act like brothers [19:47] <Narya> I bet he is [19:47] <KimmyBlair> Aberforth is def useful [19:47] <futureweasley> just that DD isn't sure his brother can "read"...that's a very poignant statement. That, to me, don't imply money. I am fairly certain that, had his brother attended Hogwarts, DD would be sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that Aberforth could read [19:47] <hpaddict> I would not like to smell of goats [19:47] <Gryffinclaw> I hope he's more talented [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> Dumbledore sets great store by courtesy [19:48] <cloudpic> I believe Aberforth had been helping Albus [19:48] <Gryffinclaw> I think he's a squib [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> and noblesse oblige [19:48] <Val_Halla> I thinks it's signifaicant we haven't seen Aberforth so far [19:48] <KimmyBlair> ohhh good possibliity gyrffin [19:48] <cloudpic> He's yet another character who shouldn't be judged by appearances... [19:48] <KimmyBlair> that would explain why it's dirty [19:48] <KimmyBlair> he can't use magic to clean [19:48] <Aislinn> yes, val - he is going to have a larger role in the next book, I think [19:48] <Gryffinclaw> Since when have wizards ever cleaned with a rag? [19:48] <BrettMac> i think he still is in the order, and that hes the person weve heard of but not yet met...the barman thing may just be a disguise so he can keep watch over hogsmeade [19:48] <futureweasley> and, if Aberforth didn't go to Hogwarts, then he's not a fully qualified wizard [19:48] <Pellinore> that may have been a red herring/ brotherly joke thought FW [19:48] <hpaddict> I don't think aberforth is a squib [19:48] <hpaddict> I think he's dotty [19:48] <Narya> I don't think he's a squib [19:48] <Val_Halla> I think so too Aislinn [19:48] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Aberforth doesn't exactly seem to have inherited any wealth. [19:48] <nympheart> he performed charms on a goat, he has to be magic [19:48] <Narya> but I do think he's vital [19:48] <KimmyBlair> hahah [19:48] <fawkes28> i agree pellinore [19:48] <KimmyBlair> good point [19:48] <Val_Halla> I doubt he's a squib living in an all wizard village [19:48] <KimmyBlair> forgot that [19:49] <Gryffinclaw> He attempted charms on a goat, I think [19:49] <hpaddict> Anyone else read a very dirty joke into that comment when they read it? [19:49] <NiGHTS> we have no evidence that Aberforth never went to Hogwarts [19:49] <hpaddict> or is it because I'm tainted [19:49] <Gryffinclaw> I do know [19:49] <NiGHTS> for all we know, Aberforth might be the elder brother lol [19:49] <BrettMac> its possible hes a squid, mrs figg was pretty out of the blue [19:49] <cloudpic> I don't think you have to go to Hogwarts to be a wizard. It's just nice to have schooling and easier to learn the breadth of wizarding knowledge that way [19:49] <NiGHTS> 150+ [19:49] <Gryffinclaw> I was a bit young when goF first came out [19:49] <BrettMac> sorry, squib i mean... lol [19:49] <fawkes28> Let's move to Snape. Do you have any thoughts on Snape possibly being an unregistered animagus, like the Maraurders? [19:49] <Pellinore> Aberforth almost has to have a bigger role in 7... JkR's made statements alluding to a character i'd assumed was Aberforth [19:49] <Gryffinclaw> No [19:49] <Val_Halla> you're not the only one hpaddict [19:49] <harrypotterfreak4> no [19:49] <nympheart> I don't think so [19:49] <fawkes28> my favorite character to chat about hehehehe [19:49] <BrettMac> no...not at all. [19:49] <NiGHTS> I agree pell [19:49] <Gryffinclaw> It would be too overplayed [19:49] <MrMcGonagall> If the Marauders could do it, Snape could do it. [19:49] <Narya> Snape - no [19:50] <Poet> Snape is described as bat-like the first 5 books [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> why would Dumbledore consider himself self-taught, if he went to Hogwarts? [19:50] <harrypotterfreak4> but if he was he'd be a spider so i could step on him [19:50] <hpaddict> Boooooo [19:50] <nympheart> and spider-like later [19:50] <cloudpic> Some have suggested this is so... I don't think he'd want to be... though I really wondered about that fox. [19:50] <hpaddict> We have rita [19:50] <MrMcGonagall> I've heard a spider suggested as Snape's animagus form. [19:50] <Poet> and bat fits well with the idea of a spy who eavesdrops [19:50] <hpaddict> do we need another? [19:50] <fawkes28> why not ????- everyone else is doing it [19:50] <Val_Halla> I do thinks Snape is an animagus [19:50] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:50] <Narya> overdone [19:50] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [19:50] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M - I've heard that a lot too [19:50] <Poet> And then we get all these hints of him being spider-like in Book 6.... [19:50] <KimmyBlair> I think DD was self taught in things after hogwarts, as there is no wizarding "uni" [19:50] <NiGHTS> you only learn the curriculum at a school, DD's magical knowledge goes way beyond that [19:50] <hpaddict> I think his PATRONUS is a spider [19:50] <nympheart> If the fox died, how was Snape there in the same chapter? [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> no, I don't think Snape is an animagus--why snoop in his human form, if he were? [19:50] <futureweasley> I just think the way that he's described...the way he moves, he's likely got that ability. Noone's ever accused Snape of being stupid, or ability-disabled [19:50] <hpaddict> but I don't think he is an anamagus [19:50] <fawkes28> he could have been a spider - remember there were a lot of spiders in Harry's cupboard way back when [19:50] <Pellinore> Snape being an animagus would rely on a too used ability. Besides i think he's patronus is a Runespore ;o [19:50] <Aislinn> and that he was in his spider form when Harry and DD stopped in the Weasleys broom shed [19:50] <KimmyBlair> i thik he was a bee [19:50] <nympheart> I agre hpaddict [19:51] <Aislinn> listening [19:51] <BrettMac> it would make the series repetitive and boring... okay, maybe boring is a strong word. "uninteresting" [19:51] <KimmyBlair> well i 10% think that [19:51] <hpaddict> which one is the runespoor? [19:51] <futureweasley> do you really, Kimmy? [19:51] <Narya> Snape doesn't have the talent to be an Animagus, either - his talents lie elsewhere - in being what he is, for instgance [19:51] <hpaddict> I remember harry mcboon [19:51] <Val_Halla> DD may have helped him become one to aid his spying PP [19:51] <Pellinore> 3 headed snake [19:51] <BrettMac> the 3-head snake [19:51] <cloudpic> No... I don't think he is either, just meant on first reading it seemed suspicious [19:51] <hpaddict> Ah yes [19:51] <NiGHTS> maybe Snape's patronus is just too embarrassing for him to perform ... Snape = fluffy rabbit [19:51] <KimmyBlair> only because of what Jo said about his name meaning Bumblebee [19:51] <BrettMac> lol nights [19:51] <cloudpic> LOL Nights.... [19:51] <KimmyBlair> Sirius' name means Dog Star (and he's a dog) [19:51] <harrypotterfreak4> lol nights [19:51] <KimmyBlair> Remus Lupin has to do with wearwolves [19:51] <hpaddict> No [19:51] <hpaddict> Dumbledore means bumblebee [19:51] <KimmyBlair> yeah [19:51] <Gryffinclaw> What does Snape's name mean then?? [19:51] <hpaddict> wait [19:52] <Pellinore> yes in ancient english [19:52] <cloudpic> Rita Skeeter is a beetle not a mosquito [19:52] <BrettMac> and most of sirius' relatives are named after constellations or stars [19:52] <hpaddict> I thought we were talking snape? [19:52] <KimmyBlair> so weve seen a good deal of people with animal names be that form in some way [19:52] <Pellinore> Snape is a small bird i think [19:52] <KimmyBlair> i'm saying it's a possiblitity.... although i don't really beleive it [19:52] <Gryffinclaw> Sever means cut so he could ahve talons or teeth [19:52] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, we were, hpaddict. Hehe. [19:52] <hpaddict> not snape [19:52] <Narya> Snape's name comes from a village [19:52] <hpaddict> you mean DD as an anamagus bumblebee [19:52] <futureweasley> is snape an animagus? [19:52] <futureweasley> lol [19:52] <BrettMac> snape is a puffskein... [19:52] <KimmyBlair> no? [19:52] <fawkes28> yes, future [19:52] <cloudpic> Snape is often described as batlike... hence all the talk of vampire. (which he's not!) [19:52] <nympheart> and then you have "severe" and he's certainly that [19:52] <KimmyBlair> he's not in the list Hermion esaw [19:52] <Gryffinclaw> Snape - Snape break, [19:52] <nympheart> lol brett [19:52] <fawkes28> a spider and that is my final answer smile [19:52] <nympheart> he's Arnold the Pygmy Puff! [19:52] <Gryffinclaw> if he is one he's an eagle [19:52] <Poet> I second the spider [19:53] <harrypotterfreak4> lol nymph [19:53] <BrettMac> LOL [19:53] <hpaddict> spider = patronus [19:53] <Gryffinclaw> based on his na,e [19:53] <cloudpic> Not an animgus. My final. LOL, fawkes! [19:53] <Pellinore> hehe, Snape eats boogers [19:53] <fawkes28> LOL cloudpic [19:53] <Val_Halla> Ewww [19:53] <Poet> Snape is a puffskein? [19:53] <Gryffinclaw> No snape isn't an animagious [19:53] <cloudpic> arrested development... [19:53] <KimmyBlair> He's an occulmens and Legillimans... [19:53] <MrMcGonagall> fw went through the entire Godric's Hollow scene in the SS movie to look for a spider. [19:53] <KimmyBlair> he doens't have time to learn everything! [19:53] <nympheart> I second the not an animagus theory [19:53] <fawkes28> yes, she did [19:53] <BrettMac> hes a dustmite... thats how he tailed draco, he clung to his eyebrow [19:53] <MrMcGonagall> frame by frame. [19:53] <Poet> Thus I think he has many eyes [19:54] <NiGHTS> dumbledore wonder if LV is an animagus ... [19:54] <Pellinore> aren't Pygmy Puff's another name or crossbreed of Puffskeins? was my Snape eats boogers reference [19:54] * ProngsPatronus thinks that HP 101 needs a Glaossary--with the difference between an Animagus and the patronus in bold [19:54] <Val_Halla> He doesn't necessarily have to have been one as a student [19:54] <Narya> LOL PP! [19:54] <NiGHTS> sorry ...DD was on from deleted last comment [19:54] <cloudpic> Such patience... future should get an award... [19:54] <Val_Halla> He could have learned later [19:54] <KimmyBlair> i know... [19:54] <fawkes28> Anyone think Snape could be a bat in animagus form?? [19:54] <nympheart> Pygmy Puffs are a crossbreed of Puffskeins [19:54] <KimmyBlair> but tha's a whole lot of learning! [19:54] <Narya> no, fawkes [19:54] <futureweasley> what about a bat? he has a billowing cloak behind him at all times, making him look like he's got wings [19:54] <hpaddict> NO BAT NO VAMPIRE [19:54] <Gryffinclaw> no [19:54] <hpaddict> just saying [19:54] <Val_Halla> possibly fawkes [19:54] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:55] * cloudpic agrees with a similiar distinction for Hallow and Hollow [19:55] <futureweasley> I don't think he's a vampire [19:55] <BrettMac> pygmy puffs are cool [19:55] <futureweasley> Jo knocked that down [19:55] <fawkes28> loud and clear, hpaddict [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> whatever his Patronus is, it will be creepy [19:55] <futureweasley> however, I don't think that a bat is out of the realm of possibility [19:55] <cloudpic> Nor do I ... nor do I think bat. I think she just wanted him to seem scary [19:55] <MrMcGonagall> Awww. I have to go now. Have fun discussing wacky theories! [19:55] <NiGHTS> I always thoughtb Ginny was training to be an animagus because there are about 15 references to her in OooP as being like a cat# [19:55] <nympheart> I wrote a filk about pygmy puffs once... [19:55] <Narya> just like the man himself [19:55] <fawkes28> bye mr. m [19:55] <BrettMac> hes sanguini the vampire from slughorns party in hbp...ok, im just gettin random now, ill sit out until the next topic smile [19:55] <Gryffinclaw> Bye Mr Mc [19:55] <Val_Halla> Bye Mr M [19:55] <BrettMac> bye mr m! [19:55] <nympheart> bye MrM [19:55] <NiGHTS> Bye MrMG [19:55] <hpaddict> bye! [19:55] <Narya> bye Mr McG [19:55] <cloudpic> And she has already been a cat, nearly Nights. [19:56] *** MrMcGonagall has quit [Bye] [19:56] <KimmyBlair> By!!! [19:56] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [19:56] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [19:56] <nympheart> hi gryffindelle [19:56] <fawkes28> In HBP, we find out that Snape's mother was Eileen Prince. She was the captain of the Hogwart's Gobstones club, and was seemingly gifted at potions. There is a theory that Madam Pince (Irma Pince) is Snape's Mother. What do you think about this theory? [19:56] <gryffindelle> hi [19:56] <Gryffinclaw> I LIKE IT [19:56] <BrettMac> no [19:56] <KimmyBlair> NO! [19:56] <nympheart> I think...no [19:56] <NiGHTS> lol@Madam Pince !!! [19:56] <Narya> LOL - I don't buy it [19:56] <Gryffinclaw> Whoops sorry for caps [19:56] <BrettMac> just no :S [19:56] <NiGHTS> rofl ! [19:56] <Aislinn> I don't think so [19:56] <hpaddict> DO NOT GET ME STARTED [19:56] <Val_Halla> She was gifted at potions? [19:56] <hpaddict> I am not a pincwicker [19:56] <gryffindelle> no [19:56] <harrypotterfreak4> i don't think so [19:56] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah [19:56] <fawkes28> why not though? just because it is wacky? [19:56] <Pellinore> I was thinking that before Eileen was revealed but after that I didn't believe it anymore. [19:57] <fawkes28> it could be true wink [19:57] <BrettMac> i think snape would acknowledge it if his mom was working at the same school as he [19:57] <Narya> just because it's so improbable [19:57] <futureweasley> SoonerGryffindor talked me into believing this one...I think it's a strong likelihood [19:57] <gryffindelle> its very unlikely [19:57] <Gryffinclaw> Filch/Pince ship and that's why Snape has so much control over Filch [19:57] <Poet> I'm a prince.... And both Snape and she are friendly with Filch [19:57] <NiGHTS> does that make Filch Snape's dad !!!!! [19:57] <NYBookworm> I think it's possible lots of clues for it (like the anagram of the name) [19:57] <NiGHTS> lolol ! [19:57] <nympheart> Well, the first name is different, there is no interaction between Snape and Pince at all, and after all her ranting about not hurting books, her son writes in them? [19:57] <Val_Halla> It seems wacky, but this theory has some merit [19:57] <Narya> and so not Jo - she just doesn't do stuff like that [19:57] <KimmyBlair> Pince is just to young... (i say with no proof) [19:57] <gryffindelle> i agree nymph [19:57] <cbm> Don't we know the first name of each? [19:57] * ProngsPatronus thinks Snapey-poo don't want a step-father, especially Not Argus Filch [19:58] <fawkes28> lol kimmy [19:58] <BrettMac> and she wrote in advanced potionmaking... no way, sorry guys smile [19:58] <Poet> And she is described as vulture like - and Snape had a vulture hat when he was dressed like Neville's grandma [19:58] <Narya> biggrin PP! [19:58] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:58] <fawkes28> maybe she is his mother and she is at hogwarts to protect her [19:58] <hpaddict> I just think that 1) flitwick is not evil and 2) that pince and prince are just too far apart. make s me think a square peg in a round hole [19:58] <BrettMac> but that could be why she reacted so badly to seeing that book. she knew it was hers, maybe? [19:58] <Pellinore> JkR once oppologised to Librarians for making such a horrid librarian character but she had to, to make Hermione look good and it take time for them to do research. So kinda disinclined to believe Madam Pince has much of a role. [19:58] <Narya> I think Snape/Pince is definitely reaching [19:58] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [19:58] <Val_Halla> yes Brett [19:58] <Poet> I don't think she wrote in advanced potionmaking - I think that was all Snape. He has cramped tiny spidery handwriting smile [19:58] <Val_Halla> I agree Poet [19:58] <gryffindelle> me too [19:58] <KimmyBlair> If you are going to pretend to be someone else... go through the effort to change more than one letter of your name [19:59] <BrettMac> but it said that some looked like a girl's [19:59] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> I think it would be too funny if it were true [19:59] <Narya> good point, Kimmy! [19:59] <Val_Halla> Anagram: I'm a prince = Irma Pice [19:59] <nympheart> It was Snape's writing as described in OotP [19:59] <cbm> I think that jkr was talking about how unhelpful she was [19:59] <Val_Halla> *pince [19:59] <NiGHTS> I think the book shows us that Snape is an exceptional wizard, already experimenting with creating his own spells at such an early stage [19:59] <nympheart> I think people put a little too much into anagrams [19:59] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:59] <Poet> I am Lord Voldemort was revealed in Book 2, and the Prince thread was originally planned for that book. [19:59] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [19:59] <Poet> I'm a Prince sound similar [19:59] <Gryffinclaw> Well spotted Poet [19:59] <nympheart> wb cloudpic [19:59] <BrettMac> irma pie... thats what i thought you said, halla [19:59] <Val_Halla> It it was only the anagram, I would agree the theory is rubbish [19:59] <Pellinore> yea but there's other canon to point to it being all Snape's ... no reference to there being 2 handwritting styles so unless both mom and son have the same its all The HBP/Snape [20:00] <BrettMac> *val halla... this computer sucks [20:00] <KimmyBlair> why woul you make that an anigram? [20:00] <NiGHTS> it's a fun theory but not too likely ! [20:00] <Poet> I think his Mom owned the book, but never wrote in it - just Snape. [20:00] <gryffindelle> lol [20:00] <nympheart> I agree poet, but the only actual evidence I've seen is a coincidence of switching letter order [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> I think this theory is more in the spirit of JKR's writing than most of the others [20:01] <Val_Halla> What I find strange is Snape's relationship to Filch [20:01] <Poet> I agree [20:01] <Val_Halla> Filch helps Snape bind his ijured leg in PS/SS [20:01] <nympheart> Snape and Filch have more in common that Snape and any other teacher [20:01] <Aislinn> yes, val - I found that strange too [20:01] <harrypotterfreak4> maybe filch is his uncle [20:01] <cloudpic> Filch and Snape are two... outsiders with a disdain and distrust for most of the others at Hogwarts [20:01] <Gryffinclaw> Maybe she gets so angry with books written in because she saw sectusempera and found out how evil it wasand hated writing in books from then on becasun eher son created such a horrible spell [20:01] <Pellinore> If Pince is his mother that would make Filch his Step-Father [20:01] <nympheart> yes, cp [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> they are united in their hatred of the students [20:02] <cloudpic> Pince is just an anal sort. [20:02] <nympheart> if that's true, Gryffinclaw, she has some psychological issues [20:02] <Gryffinclaw> I don't think Pince and Filch are married [20:02] <Gryffinclaw> lol Nymph [20:02] <Val_Halla> Pince and Filch went to the funeral together didn't they? [20:02] <Pellinore> yes [20:02] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [20:02] <NiGHTS> they're just carrying on a passionate affair ! [20:02] <NiGHTS> lol [20:02] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> that has to do with position, not marriage [20:02] <harrypotterfreak4> lol nights [20:02] <fawkes28> JKR has also said in the Memerson interview that Snape has been loved by someone. By whom? His mother? Lily? Someone else? [20:03] <Gryffinclaw> LV [20:03] <KimmyBlair> his mom! [20:03] <NiGHTS> lol [20:03] <harrypotterfreak4> in the restricted section, that's why students aren't allowed in there [20:03] <nympheart> I think it was his mom [20:03] <Val_Halla> his dad! [20:03] <KimmyBlair> (your mom) [20:03] <Narya> Probably by his mother, certainly no one else [20:03] <NiGHTS> his mother and/or Lily [20:03] <cbm> Mother [20:03] <NiGHTS> lol [20:03] <Pellinore> unless you buy into the other wierd theory's that there was someone else under the floor length Veil that went to the funeral with Filtch [20:03] <cloudpic> Yeah, it bothered me a bit that it was so... singular... only one?? [20:03] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah his mum [20:03] <Val_Halla> Lol Kimmy [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> oh, geez--not the Snape/Lily thing [20:03] <KimmyBlair> sorry had to do it [20:03] <fawkes28> by his mother madam pince laugh [20:03] <gryffindelle> mother [20:03] <nympheart> I think Lily pitied him, not loved him [20:03] <cloudpic> I think his mother. [20:03] <NiGHTS> loved by Lily ... but as a friend !!! [20:03] <Narya> Lily never loved him [20:03] <nympheart> that too nights [20:03] <harrypotterfreak4> he was loved by his mother, but in love with lilly [20:03] <Poet> I think Lily might have tried to be his friend for awhile when they were class mates. I don't think Lily loved him at all though. I seemed like Jo was talking about someone besides his mom...... [20:03] <futureweasley> Snape was so loved by Petunia. Case closed [20:03] <cbm> Does snape have friends? [20:04] <fawkes28> i dont see Lily loving him [20:04] <NiGHTS> lol@future [20:04] <harrypotterfreak4> i love that theory future [20:04] <nympheart> lol fw [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> thank you! I can keep my dinner down now [20:04] <Pellinore> His mom. at most he may have had a momentery crush on Lily (who didn't like her) that wasn't reciprocated. [20:04] <Gryffinclaw> I was waiting for you to say that future [20:04] <cloudpic> There have been no scenes with Snape or Madam Pince together for a hint... I just doubt it. [20:04] <NiGHTS> Dudley = Snape's son !!! [20:04] <NiGHTS> lol [20:04] <Narya> and JKR said that Snape in love is a "horrible idea" so I think she pretty much shot that one down [20:04] <fawkes28> there is a wonderful essay about snape/petunia by our very own futureweasley smile [20:04] <nympheart> lol [20:04] <futureweasley> oh, goodness, now that's a stretch [20:04] <Gryffinclaw> what the wonderful essay? or dudley? [20:04] <matilda> I'm writing an essay on them too. Not a romantic theory though [20:04] *** BrettMac has quit [Bye] [20:04] <futureweasley> about Dudley being Snape's son...oh, that's just not right [20:04] <cloudpic> But it's charming and even a bit convincing! [20:04] <harrypotterfreak4> but JKR also said that snape has the ability to love which almost makes him worse than voldmort [20:05] * cloudpic shudders. [20:05] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah it's not right [20:05] <NiGHTS> I don't think he's ever been in love since Lily though [20:05] <fawkes28> a really wacky theory would be Bellatrix and Snape [20:05] *** matilda has quit [Bye] [20:05] <cbm> Not the ability. but that he had been loved [20:05] <nympheart> I think that's less wacky than petunia, honestly [20:05] <Pellinore> that'd be a rough one. [20:05] <Val_Halla> I thought what she said is that he was almost more culpable because he had been loved [20:05] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah and that's why Bella hates Snape he rejected her [20:05] <cloudpic> His mother loved him. [20:05] <futureweasley> right HPfreak4, she said it makes him more "culpable"...which means he's got to do something BIG for redemption [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> I think his mother worshipped Snape [20:06] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [20:06] <gryffindelle> wb [20:06] <NiGHTS> English people love him if the search engine statistics are anything to go by !!!! [20:06] <BrettMac> sorry guys... my computer locked up [20:06] <Gryffinclaw> WB Brett [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> and his father was dismayed by that [20:06] <BrettMac> what are we talking about? sorry i missed the last topic post [20:06] <Gryffinclaw> English people love who nights? [20:06] <fawkes28> who loved Snape, Brett [20:06] <NiGHTS> Snape ... we search for him more than any other nation [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> icky Snape, Brett [20:07] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [20:07] <BrettMac> his cauldron [20:07] <Gryffinclaw> I don't [20:07] <BrettMac> ... [20:07] <Pellinore> English like Snape? I can understand with the dry humour of the character actor playing him ;o [20:07] <Gryffinclaw> I hate Snape [20:07] <NiGHTS> we ,love Rickman lol [20:07] <BrettMac> alan rickman?! hes an amazing snape!!! [20:07] <nympheart> I love to hate Snape [20:07] <nympheart> I don't really like Rickman's Snape actually [20:07] <Gryffinclaw> I can't say I love Alan Rickman either [20:07] <NiGHTS> he's the JR Ewing of his generation [20:07] <NiGHTS> lol [20:07] <Val_Halla> I enjoy reading Snape more than any other character [20:08] <BrettMac> well im just gonna have to get canadian searchers to beat your record then, nights tongue [20:08] <Aislinn> he is fascinating, if repugnant [20:08] <cbm> MA: Oh, here’s one [from our forums] that I’ve really got to ask you. Has Snape ever been loved by anyone? JKR: Yes, he has, which in some ways makes him more culpable even than Voldemort, who never has. [20:08] <fawkes28> me too, val [20:08] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:08] <NiGHTS> he's certainly the most intruiging character at the mo ... more mystery about him [20:08] <ProngsPatronus> *sigh* [20:08] <Pellinore> Snape's character seems to be the most diverse, deep and difficult to grasp his true self as he's always squirming on both sides ;p [20:08] <BrettMac> i think so too, he'll pretty much decide the outcome of the series [20:08] <cbm> sorry that quote was bugging me and I had to find it [20:08] <NiGHTS> he's got to be pivotal to the series [20:09] <BrettMac> where his loyalty lies in the end will be maybe the most important thing in hp EVER [20:09] <fawkes28> What reason would there be for Eileen Prince to change her name and become a staff member at Hogwarts? Is she being protected, or is this all a coincidence? [20:09] <ProngsPatronus> ok--see y'all later! [20:09] <harrypotterfreak4> bye prongs [20:09] <NiGHTS> coincidence [20:09] <Aislinn> bye prongs [20:09] <gryffindelle> none all coincidence [20:09] <NiGHTS> Bye Prongs ! [20:09] <cbm> coincidence [20:09] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [20:09] <KimmyBlair> none! [20:09] <Gryffinclaw> Well he killed DD you don't get too much more pivortal than that [20:09] <KimmyBlair> by prons [20:09] <Gryffinclaw> coincidence [20:09] <KimmyBlair> *prongs [20:09] <BrettMac> all a coincidence...but if i had to give a reason, id say she was being protected [20:09] <Gryffinclaw> Bye Prongs [20:09] <fawkes28> i would think she would be protected because of snape's involvement with the Death Eaters [20:09] <Narya> just a coincidence [20:09] <KimmyBlair> see if they changed names to protect people they could of changed Harrys [20:09] <KimmyBlair> but they didn't [20:09] <NiGHTS> I just think she's a crabby old librarian !!! [20:09] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:09] <BrettMac> being protected from her son, maybe? [20:09] <harrypotterfreak4> i agree nights [20:10] <KimmyBlair> and we ALL know Voldie is after him [20:10] <harrypotterfreak4> she reminds me of our librarian in highschool [20:10] <NiGHTS> wonder what happened to Tobias Snape then ... [20:10] <NiGHTS> is he still out there ? [20:10] <Gryffinclaw> dead I assume [20:10] <nympheart> She reminds me a little of all librarians [20:10] <BrettMac> For my thoughts on the "why harry is allowed to risk his life" topic, please refer to pottercast 72. [20:10] <Gryffinclaw> He is a muggle after all [20:10] <Pellinore> Coincidence, but if not she's being protected so her double agent spy son doesn't get her in trouble to use against him. Wouldn't it be a trip if she turned out to be DD's girl and Snape was DD's stepson ohmy [20:10] <NiGHTS> did Snape do a LV and Barty Crouch Jr? [20:10] <harrypotterfreak4> our librairan threw erasers at the wall when we were being too loud [20:11] <Gryffinclaw> shudder [20:11] <cloudpic> Oh. Dear. I know way too many kind and helpful librarians to agree with that nymheart! [20:11] *** gryffindelle left #lounge [] [20:11] <BrettMac> lol hpf [20:11] <cbm> Most librarians will help you find information if you ask [20:11] <NiGHTS> lol@Pell ! [20:11] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [20:11] <fawkes28> Speaking of staffers at Hogwarts, is Argus Filch going to be the character who manages to perform magic late in life? If not Argus, who is it going to be? Another staffer at Hogwarts? A muggle? What are your thoughts? [20:11] <BrettMac> a librarian in my town is really crabby and makes you call in advance to book a computer... [20:11] *** cbm has joined #lounge [20:11] <Pellinore> Doesn't remind me of any Librarians i know. We have a pretty good library here. [20:11] <Gryffinclaw> Dudders [20:11] <nympheart> I said a little! They all protect books. [20:11] <NiGHTS> Yeah, I think so fawkes [20:11] <KimmyBlair> i don't know! [20:11] <BrettMac> no, filch is too unimportant [20:11] <hpaddict> Although this has brought back great memories, I fear I must be off. Enjoy talking squibs! [20:11] <KimmyBlair> i want to know! [20:12] <NiGHTS> either him or Figgy ! [20:12] <Val_Halla> I think it will be Filch [20:12] <BrettMac> bye hpaddict! [20:12] <futureweasley> I want to know, too! [20:12] <nympheart> I don't think so [20:12] <Narya> I don't think it's Filch [20:12] <Gryffinclaw> Bye hpaddict [20:12] <harrypotterfreak4> wouldn't it be funny if it was vernon [20:12] <nympheart> I think it's Dudley [20:12] <fawkes28> i think that it may not be him - it seems too obvious [20:12] <cloudpic> I would like it to be Filch. He needs a breakthrough moment so he can be happier.... [20:12] <futureweasley> I think it's likely Figgy or Filchy [20:12] *** hpaddict left #lounge [] [20:12] <BrettMac> me too nympheart [20:12] <KimmyBlair> IT WOULD!!! [20:12] <NiGHTS> it's "got" to be him or Figgy hasn't it? We don't know any other squibs [20:12] <Val_Halla> I thought it would be Dudders but JKR shot that down [20:12] <Narya> signing off, guys - it's been fun [20:12] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [20:12] <nympheart> She shot down Petunia, not Dudley [20:12] <harrypotterfreak4> bye narya [20:12] <NiGHTS> I think the humour element means it is going to be Filch [20:12] <Gryffinclaw> I think Dudders nicks Harrys wand and it turns him into a proper pig [20:12] <NiGHTS> Bye Narya [20:12] <futureweasley> I like the idea of Filch most, though. As horrible as he is, he's so desperate to be a fully qualified wizard [20:12] <Val_Halla> I think she shot down both [20:13] <harrypotterfreak4> i think if it was either dudly or vernon it would be absolutely hilarious [20:13] <BrettMac> not neccesarily, nights, it could be like, mark evans or something. nah, jk, but a muggle would make sense. [20:13] <cloudpic> alas. [20:13] <Pellinore> Oh the late in life question.. wasn't there an entire chat devoted to this one? Petunia, Duddly, Figgy, Filch, Mr. Dursley, who else was a candidate? [20:13] <Gryffinclaw> and pigs don't live so long, so he dies and it's at the end of his life [20:13] <Pellinore> Aberforth even i think. [20:13] <NiGHTS> yeah ... I was here for that one Pell [20:13] <futureweasley> I think Aberforth, too [20:13] <BrettMac> maybe one of hermione's parents, and that's why she is so gifted even though she's a muggleborn? (i know, i sound like slytherin tongue) [20:13] <harrypotterfreak4> lol gryffin [20:13] <futureweasley> I don't think Aberforth went to Hogwarts [20:13] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah abeforth the squib [20:13] <Val_Halla> Tat's a good idea Brett [20:13] <Gryffinclaw> *Aberforth* [20:14] <cloudpic> I think that if Aberforth is in the Order, he must be a full wizard. You don't have to attend school to be a wizard. [20:14] <BrettMac> there always seems to be a lot of mention about her uncanny ability even though muggle born [20:14] <nympheart> I can see Dudley saying something about the appearance of dementors and Harry remembering that he didn't tell Dudley what they looked like. [20:14] <Val_Halla> except a lot has been made of Hermione being muggleborn [20:14] <NiGHTS> I don't think Dudley could see them [20:14] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [20:14] <BrettMac> thats exactly it, val, then she could say IN YOUR FACE, DRACO!!! [20:14] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:14] <NiGHTS> lol [20:14] <harrypotterfreak4> my own theory is that dudley is a wizard and petunia and vernon chose to not let him know it [20:14] <NiGHTS> I think he'd know himself ! [20:15] <NiGHTS> by now, I mean [20:15] <Gryffinclaw> i like thst theory [20:15] <harrypotterfreak4> and that's what dumbledore was talking about in the 6th book [20:15] <cloudpic> Wouldn't Dudley have "done magic" like Harry... [20:15] <BrettMac> i heard a good theory somewhere about that, hpf [20:15] <nympheart> but there would have been letters for him too if he developed as a normal muggle-born [20:15] <Val_Halla> JKR said there was NOT more to Dudley than meets the eye [20:15] <cloudpic> without knowing how he did it? [20:15] <cbm> Or maybe part of the deal to take harry was to not give dudders a letter [20:15] <Aislinn> you would think so, cloudpic [20:15] <harrypotterfreak4> he may not have known it because everything got blamed on harry [20:15] <cloudpic> LOL.... thanks Val Halla [20:15] <Gryffinclaw> That was petunia wasn't it?? [20:15] <Pellinore> I'd be more inclined to see Figgy open up a Can-O--Cat-Food on a DE that's attacking the dursleys and she ends up being the late-in-lifer. [20:15] <Aislinn> nope, it was definitely dudley [20:15] <KimmyBlair> but woudlnt' he of gotten a letter then? [20:15] <Gryffinclaw> ok [20:16] <futureweasley> I wondered if Petunia was a squib, too? That's interesting [20:16] <fawkes28> i hope she is, pellinore [20:16] <BrettMac> i think jo shot that down, fw [20:16] <Aislinn> I think Jo said that Petunia is not a squib [20:16] <NiGHTS> she did brett [20:16] <Pellinore> wouldn't make Lily a Muggleborn then [20:16] <cbm> But I really think there is no more to dudly than meets the eye [20:16] <futureweasley> I think you are right...I forgot [20:16] <fawkes28> figgy is so much nicer than filch - i think she deserves it [20:16] <KimmyBlair> she did [20:16] <cloudpic> How could Petunia be a squib? Wouldn't one of her parents have had to be wizards? [20:16] <KimmyBlair> lily is muggleborn [20:16] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [20:16] <KimmyBlair> becuase Harry is halfblood [20:16] <cloudpic> Yes, Kimmy [20:17] <fawkes28> Let's move to Professor Flitwick. He's "part goblin". There are theories that Flitwick's blood will be important in Deathly Hallows. Why would that be important? What advantage would goblin blood have in Harry's quest? [20:17] <KimmyBlair> (are we not depatbing that) [20:17] <KimmyBlair> *debating [20:17] <cloudpic> Part goblin?????? [20:17] <NiGHTS> I nwonder if most muggleborns have a wizard/witch in ancestry somewhere though ... just a case of genetics [20:17] <Gryffinclaw> None [20:17] <cloudpic> Where did that come from? [20:17] <cbm> Not any I can think of [20:17] <Gryffinclaw> I don't like the whole Goblin theories [20:17] <BrettMac> maybe it would help him get into gringotts to find something. [20:17] <NiGHTS> a link with the powerful goblins who have, til now, played very little part in the books [20:17] <cloudpic> Didn't JKR say she was surprised at Flitwick [20:17] <nympheart> he could liason with the goblins to get them on the wizards' side [20:17] <cloudpic> appeareance in the film? [20:17] <BrettMac> flitwick is cool enough just being ravenclaw, though. tongue [20:17] <Val_Halla> He's only a tiny bit Goblin, I don't think it will be significant [20:18] <KimmyBlair> i do't think his blood will be important [20:18] <Pellinore> Clever as they come, able to converse with goblins to turn them to our side and he's one bad --- in dualing. Go Flitwick! smile [20:18] <fawkes28> i dont know about goblin blood but goblins themselves will be important [20:18] <cbm> but ravenclaw will have it's day [20:18] <KimmyBlair> see flitwick isnt' a part of the order [20:18] <Gryffinclaw> Luna [20:18] <NiGHTS> it's interesting that Bill's part in trying to convince the goblins around is always mentioned though [20:18] <nympheart> I think Ravenclaw's day will be through Luna [20:18] <BrettMac> ravenclaw owns and you all need to know it. smile [20:18] <KimmyBlair> so i doubt he'll have a big role [20:18] <harrypotterfreak4> that's what i was thinking gryffinclaw [20:18] <NiGHTS> lol@Ravenclaw brett [20:18] <fawkes28> but what would Harry do with goblin's blood? [20:18] <Gryffinclaw> The Ravenclaw will haev it's day I think is Luna helping destroy the mirror of erised which is a horcrux [20:18] <Val_Halla> Yeah, Luna, I agree [20:19] <futureweasley> well, there's a theory that he'll be able to open the vaults in Gringotts [20:19] <BrettMac> i think flitwick could have something to do with the ravenclaw horcrux. [20:19] <cloudpic> I believe Ravenclaw's "day" will involve a number of Ravenclaws... perhaps they (Luna, Flitwick, et. al) will lead the call for unity? [20:19] <NiGHTS> could be, brett [20:19] <BrettMac> although i really dont like the mirror or erised horcrux theory [20:19] <nympheart> interesting fw [20:19] <BrettMac> i agree, future [20:19] <nympheart> I kind of like it [20:19] <NiGHTS> Harry's going to have to research Ravenclaw at some stage [20:19] <Pellinore> In most secret orders there's different levels of membership and sects... so if one collapses the other group can carry on. Wouldn't suprise me if DD has a 2nd level that only included really trusted members inc, Flitwick and others. [20:19] <NiGHTS> or get someone to do it for him [20:19] <fawkes28> i am not convinced at all on this one [20:20] <cbm> Neither am I [20:20] <futureweasley> considering that there are lots of people who think there is a horcrux in Gringotts, Flitwick's goblin heritage might come in very useful [20:20] <BrettMac> i like that pellinore, he could have his own little secret society... the DIA, dumbledore's intelligent army. [20:20] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:20] <harrypotterfreak4> lol [20:21] <fawkes28> JKR has made comments about the Evans sisters (Petunia and Lily) that bring the reader back to the importance of their "eyes". Lily's eyes are significant, and there is more to Petunia than meets the eye. So, it's been concluded by some that the Evans sisters are from a distant line of seers. What do you think? Could Lily and Petunia be seers? [20:21] <Pellinore> as well as Bill & Fluer's jobs and Charlie's dragon handling. [20:21] <nympheart> no [20:21] <harrypotterfreak4> no [20:21] <BrettMac> no [20:21] <Gryffinclaw> No [20:21] <Pellinore> no [20:21] <Val_Halla> Maybe Lily, but not Petunia [20:21] <cbm> No [20:21] <BrettMac> if that is so, then why is harry so terrible at divination? [20:21] <KimmyBlair> Well i think as their heritage is muggle, it would be weird for them to be related to a seer [20:21] <nympheart> If they were, I don't see what role it would play [20:21] <BrettMac> it must run through blood, even if just a little bit [20:21] <NYBookworm> well harry definitely has some seer moments so it's possible [20:21] <nympheart> very true kimmy [20:21] <cloudpic> There have been no special hints in that direction.... not all eye symbolism is connected to prophecy [20:21] <Val_Halla> because Trelawney is incompetent [20:21] <Aislinn> I think Lily was an Unspeakable, but I don't know about seer [20:21] <harrypotterfreak4> i think it has something to do with souls, since the eyes are the windows to the soul [20:22] <nympheart> agreed hpfreak [20:22] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [20:22] <BrettMac> yes aislinn, they never said lily was unemployed, just james... [20:22] <nympheart> hi hf [20:22] <Aislinn> I agree that Harry demonstrates some of that aptitude NYB [20:22] <Val_Halla> hi hf [20:22] <futureweasley> it's so interesting that Jo CHOSE to keep referring to their eyes...I just have to think there's more too it. She kind of speaks in codes sometimes [20:22] <harryfreak359> hey, sorry I am late [20:22] <Gryffinclaw> Hi HF [20:22] <harryfreak359> what's the current question? [20:22] <NiGHTS> Hiya hf [20:22] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:22] <harrypotterfreak4> only sometimes future? [20:22] <Pellinore> yea.. seers need time. You have to devulge the prophocy in advance... give the reader time to think about it then, clues and spring the ending.. only 1 book left so any more prophocy reveals would have to happen early in the book. [20:22] <harryfreak359> hey everyone! [20:22] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [20:23] <futureweasley> lol, ok, all the time [20:23] <nympheart> hi hrh [20:23] <hrh7> Hi [20:23] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:23] <Gryffinclaw> Ermm Are lily and petunia seers? [20:23] <Val_Halla> wb fawkes [20:23] <KimmyBlair> welcome bck Fawkes! [20:23] *** mode/#lounge [+o fawkes28] by Snuffles [20:23] <fawkes28> thanks smile [20:23] <NiGHTS> or do they shop at Seers? [20:23] <Gryffinclaw> or something like that HF [20:23] <harrypotterfreak4> oh nights that's bad [20:23] <cbm> I lo [20:23] <nympheart> lol nights [20:23] <harrypotterfreak4> lol [20:23] <NiGHTS> lol [20:23] <Pellinore> probably in the lawn and garden section. [20:24] <BrettMac> lol nights [20:24] <nympheart> most likely pellinore [20:24] <Gryffinclaw> <fawkes28> JKR has made comments about the Evans sisters (Petunia and Lily) that bring the reader back to the importance of their "eyes". Lily's eyes are significant, and there is more to Petunia than meets the eye. So, it's been concluded by some that the Evans sisters are from a distant line of seers. What do you think? Could Lily and Petunia be seers? [20:24] <Gryffinclaw> There you are HF [20:24] <NiGHTS> little hard seeing as we don't have them in UK but, maybe online lol [20:24] <futureweasley> thanks, Gryffinclaw [20:24] <futureweasley> my questions weren't loading [20:24] *** marielle has joined #lounge [20:25] <futureweasley> hi marielle [20:25] <BrettMac> hey marielle [20:25] <Val_Halla> I think the more than meets the eye about Petunia refers to some info she's been hiding [20:25] <nympheart> hi marielle [20:25] <Gryffinclaw> Hi marielle [20:25] <fawkes28> well, maybe Lily was able to foresee what was going to happen at Godric's Hollow that night? [20:25] <BrettMac> me too [20:25] <harrypotterfreak4> i think so to val [20:25] <NiGHTS> Hi marielle [20:25] <harryfreak359> thanks, gryffinclaw smile [20:25] <KimmyBlair> i want to know about the letters!!!!! [20:25] <marielle> hi everybody [20:25] <harrypotterfreak4> me too kimmy [20:25] <nympheart> what would that have done though, fawkes? [20:25] <cloudpic> Do we know what color Petunia's eyes are? [20:25] <BrettMac> i think we all do kimmy, lol biggrin [20:25] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah definately Kimmy [20:25] <futureweasley> that's a good possibility fawkes, and I DO TOO Kimmy! [20:25] <NiGHTS> . o 0 (pretty name) [20:25] <fawkes28> heya hf! - didnt see you come in [20:25] <harrypotterfreak4> i think petunia's gonna have some explaining to do! [20:25] <futureweasley> what the heck is going on with those letters?! [20:25] <harryfreak359> I don't think that be able to see has anything to do with eye colors [20:25] <harryfreak359> hey Fawkes! [20:26] <futureweasley> no, me either hf359 [20:26] <NiGHTS> I think his eyes being like Lily's relates to Snape's loathing of him [20:26] <cloudpic> No... probably not, but JKR is attracted to color coding. [20:26] <harryfreak359> when I say see, I mean seer like...not actually seeing things. . . [20:26] <Pellinore> Yea that more then meets the eye referse to Petunia haveing late night daliances with that "awful boy" Snape (happy FW ;)) [20:26] <marielle> Good i have a crazy theory for that one, Petunia is a medium and can talk to spirit who cross over [20:26] <cloudpic> And green has meaning in this series... [20:26] <KimmyBlair> I think Lilly's eyes helped Harry get Sluggy's memory [20:26] <KimmyBlair> perhaps they will work like that again [20:26] <NiGHTS> me 2 kimmy [20:26] <Val_Halla> definitely, Kimmy [20:26] <cloudpic> Because of Sluggy's fondness for Lily Kimm? [20:26] <futureweasley> let's hope so, for Harry's sake [20:26] <KimmyBlair> woot! [20:26] <BrettMac> avada kedavra, the dark mark, harrys eyes... your right, cloudpic, i never though of that. [20:26] <fawkes28> Along the same line, speculation has been made that Ron is a seer, and doesn't know it. What characteristics has Ron shown that might make this particular "wacky theory" true? [20:26] <KimmyBlair> well that's what it was the first time [20:27] <marielle> I don't think petunia'eyes will mean anything though [20:27] <NiGHTS> Harry's mum must've been a FOX !!! [20:27] <fawkes28> Ron is not a seer - he is just Ron [20:27] <KimmyBlair> perhaps the second time someone else will remeber their fondness of lilly becuase of Harry's eyes and it will help him get info [20:27] <nympheart> I've never heard that one [20:27] <BrettMac> i dont think he's shown any. who comes up with this stuff? tongue [20:27] <NYBookworm> he says an awful lot of things in jest that turn out to come true [20:27] <harrypotterfreak4> ron usually says something off the cuff that ends up having some merit later on [20:27] <cloudpic> Ron sure makes "out there" guesses.... but he's wrong as often as he's right... [20:27] <cbm> Non that I know, except for him always thinking Snape is evil smile [20:27] <harryfreak359> Well, he seems to make a lot of good guesses but that is nothing to do with seeing I think [20:27] <futureweasley> lol Brett...I was just wondering the same thing [20:27] <Val_Halla> I don't think Ron has predicted anything so much as he has seen things through (unkowning) common sense [20:27] <Aislinn> I don't see Ron as being a seer [20:27] <Val_Halla> *unknowing [20:27] <Aislinn> yes, Val, I agree [20:27] <KimmyBlair> me eiehter [20:28] <harryfreak359> Yes, I agree Val [20:28] <cloudpic> A "red herring" LOL [20:28] <marielle> I agree Aislinn, i don't think Ron could be one [20:28] <NiGHTS> look at Ron's success in the lessons lol [20:28] <futureweasley> right Val...his common sense in the wizarding world is what helps him to be right when he's right. But, goodness knows, he's wrong more than he's right. Poor ickle rRon [20:28] <Pellinore> there were lots of theories that included Ron being a Seer when we were discussing Mr. Weasley becoming Minister for Magic due to Ron saying that but JkR shot that down. [20:28] <BrettMac> maybe he's the one who comes back to teach at hogwarts: prof. weasley, divination teacher [20:28] <Gryffinclaw> He predicted what his OWL exmainer looked like [20:28] <harrypotterfreak4> i could see ron in shawls and bangles [20:28] <harrypotterfreak4> lol [20:28] <NiGHTS> lol [20:28] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:28] <BrettMac> and the trelawney glasses [20:28] <futureweasley> Ron, Hogwart's newest Divination teacher? Hermione would die first [20:28] <harrypotterfreak4> lol brett [20:29] * nympheart sees Ron in a winged arm chair [20:29] <Pellinore> and the over acting ohmy [20:29] <fawkes28> if you make "predictions" some of them are bound to come true [20:29] <KimmyBlair> exactly fawkes [20:29] <BrettMac> well then it looks like hermione's gotta die. lol, jk [20:29] <cloudpic> I agree, fawkes... [20:29] <harrypotterfreak4> predicting harry's death all the time [20:29] <fawkes28> it's not like he predicted anything huge or anything that was completely crazy [20:29] <KimmyBlair> if i predict it's going to be cold tommorow therye's a good chance i'll be right [20:29] <fawkes28> LOL [20:29] <fawkes28> exactly! [20:29] <harryfreak359> lol [20:29] <Gryffinclaw> Will"Die Ron Die" come true? [20:29] <marielle> LOL [20:29] <BrettMac> lol [20:29] <Val_Halla> That one is 100% guaranteed somewhere in the world, Kimmy, lol [20:30] <Pellinore> chuck it in the bin! [20:30] <marielle> I don't think Ron will die [20:30] <futureweasley> I really hope not! [20:30] <nympheart> It won't Gryffinclaw [20:30] <Gryffinclaw> It better not [20:30] <fawkes28> nah - he will live - that is my prediction (i am a seer) laugh [20:30] <harryfreak359> I hope not. . . [20:30] <KimmyBlair> HAHAH [20:30] <KimmyBlair> he will live! [20:30] <BrettMac> wasnt there a theory a while ago that because ollivander is an anagram of "ronald lives" everyone thought he would live? [20:30] <KimmyBlair> oh jeez [20:30] <fawkes28> i never heard that one [20:30] <nympheart> I think I hate anagrams [20:30] <Pellinore> oooooo Fawkes28 PM the winner to the superbowl... o; [20:30] <marielle> Same for me [20:30] <Gryffinclaw> Isn't it Ronalds evil as well though [20:30] <harryfreak359> I never heard that one etiher [20:30] <BrettMac> really? it was huge here awhile go [20:31] <harryfreak359> yeah it would be that too gryffinclaw [20:31] <fawkes28> lol [20:31] <futureweasley> ooh, that's my very worst fear...that Ron will be thrown under the Imperius and used against Harry [20:31] <fawkes28> It's possible that we will see Sirius's Motorbike again. There is a theory floating around that the bike is key to what happened at Godric's Hollow, and that Hagrid was the one under the invisibility cloak at Godric's Hollow. How could the Motorbike be crucial to the plot going forward? [20:31] <Pellinore> should be able to find anagrams by reading other translations to see how they modify names. [20:31] <Gryffinclaw> Well we've got a surviving yet evil Ron [20:31] <futureweasley> I won't be able to handle that [20:31] <harryfreak359> I don't think that the motorbike is important. . . [20:31] <nympheart> Hagrid fits under the cloak? [20:31] <harrypotterfreak4> lol gryffin [20:31] <Gryffinclaw> Hagrid under a invisibilty cloak?? LOL [20:31] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:31] <BrettMac> well, this is lots of fun but its late and i have to go. bye everyone, enjoy the rest of the chat! [20:31] <Val_Halla> Lol Gyffinclaw [20:32] <KimmyBlair> by the way "KimmyBlair" is an anigram for "arm milk by i" my arms are not milk [20:32] <Gryffinclaw> Hi molly [20:32] <futureweasley> in the fetal position, he MIGHT fit under the cloak [20:32] <nympheart> bye brett [20:32] <nympheart> hi molly [20:32] <fawkes28> it would be funny to see harry and company ride on it [20:32] <mollywobbles23> hi! [20:32] *** BrettMac left #lounge [] [20:32] <harrypotterfreak4> you'd see hagrids knees and ankles [20:32] <harryfreak359> lol Kimmy [20:32] <fawkes28> lol kimmy [20:32] <Gryffinclaw> I thing the ford angolia is the motorbike [20:32] <KimmyBlair> anagrams are not clues [20:32] <nympheart> Obviously, the motorbike is a Horcrux [20:32] <Pellinore> The motorbike itself may not be very important but it may be a BIG clue to what happened This post has been edited by Aislinn: Jan 24 2007, 09:50 PM |
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[20:32] <futureweasley> just not in your case
[20:32] <nympheart> I think the Anglia and the motorbike are friends [20:32] <KimmyBlair> haha i know [20:32] <NiGHTS> I just think Harry'd going to look so cool on his flying bike [20:33] <cloudpic> A diary? [20:33] <NiGHTS> Hagrid has it at the moment, I think [20:33] <cloudpic> A journel? [20:33] <harrypotterfreak4> yeah nymph i can see them roaming the forbidden forest [20:33] <Gryffinclaw> You know what Mr Weasley's like change a few parts, cast a few spells and ta-da a flying car [20:33] <cloudpic> Where is Hagrid hiding it though? His house is too little [20:33] <cloudpic> The forrest? [20:33] <NiGHTS> what would their children look like ??? [20:33] <fawkes28> there is probably a lot hidden there - so the motorbike has a lot of company [20:33] <harrypotterfreak4> they'd have three wheels [20:33] <Pellinore> If Hagrid has it he's keeping on hogwarts grounds in a tool shed or something. [20:33] <cloudpic> Mini coops [20:33] <NiGHTS> 1/2 Ford Anglia ... 1/2 motorbike !!! [20:33] <futureweasley> Sorry guys, I've got to go for a minute...I'll try to be back in a couple minutes [20:33] <Val_Halla> Hagrid thought Sirius was a traitor, he wouldn't have kept that bike [20:33] <nympheart> and Fluffy chases it through the trees [20:33] <harrypotterfreak4> it'd be a trycycle [20:33] <harryfreak359> lol yes, Fawkes, probably [20:33] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:33] <harrypotterfreak4> a flying one [20:34] *** futureweasley left #lounge [] [20:34] <harryfreak359> see ya Future [20:34] <NiGHTS> lol@hpf [20:34] <mollywobbles23> The motorbike is somewhere with Elvis [20:34] <fawkes28> i can't imagine the motorbike playing a huge role - the book is only so big [20:34] <cloudpic> Or one of those three wheeled powered chairs... [20:34] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:34] <harrypotterfreak4> the motorbike is an alien? [20:34] <fawkes28> unless it runs over one of the horcruxes laugh [20:34] <Val_Halla> It's probably at the bottom of the Lake [20:34] <Gryffinclaw> lol [20:34] <NiGHTS> I think the bike will make another appearance, just a minor onew [20:34] <mollywobbles23> hehe [20:34] <marielle> If it is the Anglia it hink it had play it's role already [20:34] <nympheart> and the Merpeople play with it, Val [20:35] <harryfreak359> I would be surprised if we saw it again, but I highly doubt it will be of that much importance [20:35] <Val_Halla> No, ze Grindylows, hehe [20:35] <Pellinore> Since it flys he could have it parked on a roof someplace to. [20:35] <nympheart> lol [20:35] <NiGHTS> sure JKR said the Anglia still had an appearance left [20:35] <harrypotterfreak4> the merpeople use the motorbike to taunt the giant squid [20:35] <NiGHTS> lol [20:35] <mollywobbles23> I think it will show up, but it will happen with no warning and won't be dwelled over. [20:35] <Gryffinclaw> Didn't JKR say we would see it again?? [20:35] <NiGHTS> me 2 molly [20:35] <nympheart> Harry will get the motorbike [20:35] <fawkes28> i am not sure, gryffinclaw [20:35] <NiGHTS> it would be left to him by Sirius [20:36] <fawkes28> but he will be able to apparate so he wont need it [20:36] <nympheart> she said that "real sleuths" could find it [20:36] <Gryffinclaw> I think she did becasue I starteda thread based on that [20:36] <mollywobbles23> Or Harry will find it, decide he's done with all this Chosen One crud and join the T-Birds. [20:36] <Gryffinclaw> yeah [20:36] <nympheart> maybe we should be ashamed [20:36] <Gryffinclaw> lol molly [20:36] <harrypotterfreak4> lol molly [20:36] <fawkes28> Staying with Godric's Hollow, there was a very interesting theory on PotterCast recently that stated a 17-year old Harry Potter went back to Godric's Hollow to watch his parents' demise. Though the PotterCasters NEVER say that a time-turner has to be involved, the idea of time travel is the center of this theory. Do you think we will see time travel become an essential element in Deathly Hallows? How will time be important? [20:36] <fawkes28> ok - i siriusly really like this theory [20:36] <Gryffinclaw> no [20:36] <cloudpic> no way. no [20:36] <fawkes28> and don't think it is that far out of reach [20:36] <mollywobbles23> I actually like this theory a lot. [20:37] <Val_Halla> I hate this theory [20:37] <Gryffinclaw> Time Travel sucks [20:37] <nympheart> no, I don't, mainly because I didn't like time travel in the series at all [20:37] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [20:37] <mollywobbles23> And I'm not really into the time travel stuff. [20:37] <Val_Halla> We've already had Harry travel back to see himself once before [20:37] <mollywobbles23> Well, for HP anyway. [20:37] <fawkes28> I like it because Harry is only going there to observe and not change anything [20:37] <cbm> Time travel is good in small doses [20:37] <NYBookworm> I don't know about time travel but I definitely think he could use the pensieve tto get to those memories and info [20:37] <NiGHTS> no ... I think she deliverately had all time turners destroyed at MoM just to avoid them in future plot lines [20:37] <harrypotterfreak4> i think it would be boring to use time travel again [20:37] <Pellinore> Time Travel sucks.. i would never have started the series if i knew it was a plot device. [20:37] <harryfreak359> I like time travel personally, and I think it would be interesting [20:37] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [20:37] <hrh7> Have the time turners been broken? [20:37] <nympheart> hi whisper [20:37] <Whisperwing> So it said in the Prophet [20:37] <Val_Halla> Hi WW [20:37] <fawkes28> I also like this theory because it is new and different from the usual ones [20:37] <Gryffinclaw> yeah iin the DoM [20:37] <Whisperwing> Hi Nymph! [20:38] <cloudpic> I don't mind time travel used in a consistent manner.... but not as a sudden [20:38] <gryffindelle> whats the theory? [20:38] <fawkes28> i think it will be time travel but a different type of time turner [20:38] <marielle> I beleive time travel has already occured several time already, but i am not convice if it will play a large role in DH [20:38] <cloudpic> deus ex machina method of problem solving. [20:38] <nympheart> I think it is unlikely that all of the time turners were destroyed, I doubt all of them were at the MoM at that time [20:38] <fawkes28> remember there is a room where they studied time - who knows what else Harry will be able to do with that [20:38] <harrypotterfreak4> i think the only way harry is going to see godrics hollow the night his parents died is through the pensieve [20:38] <Gryffinclaw> good point Nymph [20:38] <Val_Halla> I agree nympheart, but It would take a lot of turns to go back 16 years [20:38] <Whisperwing> Maybe there's be a weird Pensieve accident when Harry tries to see his memory from the night his parents were murdered and will find himself actually there instead of just like, existentially or whatever [20:39] <Aislinn> I agree nympheart [20:39] *** gryffindelle left #lounge [] [20:39] <marielle> Yes it seems to be one turn = one hour [20:39] <Aislinn> and we saw them break, and repair, and break, and repair [20:39] <Pellinore> If Harry does that why not just go back and wack TMR or TR for that matter at a young age. Makes it to easy to come up with some idea that lets you avoid the entire series of books... why LV didn't just go back and listen to the Prophocy himself... etc. [20:39] <nympheart> agreed Val, and it seems like Harry would just have to sit there during all that time [20:39] <Aislinn> why couldn't they stop them at the stage where they were repaired? [20:39] <harryfreak359> ahhhh shoot, I gotta go already. sad Cya guys. [20:39] <cbm> JKR does not change the timeline when does time travel, so Harry will not be able to change anything, so I see not reason to go back [20:39] <Aislinn> bye hf! [20:39] <nympheart> bye hf [20:39] <Gryffinclaw> Bue HF [20:39] <fawkes28> there could be a different version of the time turner - otherwise it would take a huge amount of turns [20:39] <harrypotterfreak4> bye harry freak [20:39] <fawkes28> by hf [20:39] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [20:39] <Gryffinclaw> *Bye* [20:39] <KimmyBlair> bye! [20:39] <NiGHTS> I don't think you can go back so far with time turners or someone would have just gone back and "removed! Tom Riddle [20:39] <harryfreak359> bye! [20:40] <marielle> Not only sit there for 16 years but also age sixteen years, remember Hermione was tired because she wasn't sleeping enough [20:40] <mollywobbles23> or Harry will find out through the memory of whomever else was there (if there was someone there) what happened using the pensieve. [20:40] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [20:40] <fawkes28> Let's talk Horcrux theories. The craziest (but admittedly coolest) Horcrux theory we've heard is that Nagini wasn't a Horcrux, but perhaps swallowed one. In essence, digesting it and making it a part of him. Do you think there is merit behind this theory? What do you make of the "Nagini-Horcrux" theory? [20:40] <KimmyBlair> umm [20:40] <nympheart> lol, I haven't heard that [20:40] <Pellinore> more inclined to believe that either Harry figures out how to use the pensive to get his memory of that night or DD already extracted it from Baby Harry and its been sitting in DD's pensive waiting for him to view. [20:40] <Gryffinclaw> DD said so so yes [20:40] <NiGHTS> I think Nagini is a her [20:40] <harrypotterfreak4> i think it's too risky on voldemorts part [20:40] <fawkes28> i havent either [20:40] <mollywobbles23> no on the swallowing bit. [20:40] <nympheart> I think it's rather strange [20:40] <KimmyBlair> well if i was going to make a Horcrux I woulnd't make it somthing that could disclve [20:40] <KimmyBlair> i'd make it somthing srong [20:40] <nympheart> you're right nights [20:40] <KimmyBlair> *strong [20:40] <cloudpic> I can imagine... barely, that a snake might swallow something.. but digest it?? Nope, [20:40] <harrypotterfreak4> i think it may have been one of dumbledores mistakes [20:40] <Val_Halla> Nagini ate a Horcrux!? That's a new one to me [20:41] <NiGHTS> sounds too much like Peter Pan's crocodile !!! [20:41] <marielle> LOL, I beleive DD was wrong with that one, i don't think nagini is a horcrux at all [20:41] <fawkes28> i dont think nagini herself is a horcrux but swallowing one - that is definitely new to me [20:41] <mollywobbles23> Well, yeah it's a risk for Voldy to take, but he's not exactly a careful "person" [20:41] <KimmyBlair> hahaha but you asked the question! [20:41] <harrypotterfreak4> maybe if she swallowed it, it's still stuck in her [20:41] <fawkes28> LOL but i didnt write it! [20:41] <KimmyBlair> hahah [20:41] <Val_Halla> LV keeps her close until she passes it, LOL [20:41] <KimmyBlair> see anything eaten will come out after 16 years [20:41] <mollywobbles23> ew [20:42] <fawkes28> lol [20:42] <nympheart> I have a crazy one connecting with snake lore. You know Moses's rod that turned into a snake and ate two real snakes? Nagini is the rod Horcrux (hallow). [20:42] <NiGHTS> besides, would it not now lay in a petrified pile of snake doo [20:42] <Pellinore> Either she's a horcrux (unnatural control even for a pet) or she isn't ... don't buy into swallow and disolve. Don't see a need for that extraneous style of turning her into a horcrux. [20:42] <NiGHTS> lol [20:42] <harrypotterfreak4> maybe it's like eating gum, only much worse [20:42] <harrypotterfreak4> sucks to have a soul stuck in you [20:42] <fawkes28> i dont think she swallowed one - it just doesnt make much sense [20:42] <KimmyBlair> wow... [20:42] <Gryffinclaw> Maybe LV gives her u-no-poo to keep it in her [20:42] <KimmyBlair> this is intersting [20:42] <NiGHTS> lol [20:42] <nympheart> lol gryffin [20:42] <KimmyBlair> wow [20:42] <fawkes28> it makes more sense that she is a horcrux - but i dont buy that theory either [20:42] <Pellinore> lol Gryff [20:42] <cloudpic> But don't they find objects that fish have swallowed still intact in their digestive tracts? [20:42] <KimmyBlair> wo [20:42] <Gryffinclaw> i've gotta go guys bye [20:42] <harrypotterfreak4> bye gryffin [20:42] <fawkes28> bye [20:43] <nympheart> bye gryffinclaw [20:43] <NiGHTS> Cya Griffinclaw [20:43] <mollywobbles23> bye [20:43] <Val_Halla> bye Gryffinclaw [20:43] <marielle> Bye [20:43] <fawkes28> On with Horcruxes...what do you make of the "Hogwarts is a Horcrux" theory? Is it possible that an entire castle could house a bit of Lord Voldemort's soul? Why or why not? [20:43] <cloudpic> I think Nagini is just a companion animal (and provider of sustenance) for Volde [20:43] <cloudpic> No. [20:43] <Aislinn> no, I don't think it's possible [20:43] <Val_Halla> No way [20:43] <nympheart> I don't think so [20:43] <harrypotterfreak4> that's be too much for harry to distroy [20:43] <Pellinore> nah to big.... maybe a brick [20:43] <cloudpic> Not the Castle. [20:43] <cbm> That just sound like way too much magic [20:43] <fawkes28> no way [20:43] <nympheart> it's a place, not an object [20:43] <Val_Halla> It contains far too much magic of its own [20:43] <cloudpic> Dumbledore would have "sensed" it as he sensed magic in the cave [20:43] <harrypotterfreak4> murtles toilet is a horacrux [20:43] <mollywobbles23> doubt it [20:43] <nympheart> and I don't see Hogwarts being destroyed [20:43] <fawkes28> hogwarts is too big and too magical [20:43] <Pellinore> i'd be more willing to belive the Hat but JkR shot that down. [20:44] <marielle> I supposed it could be possible ( i think the Riddle house is one) so i guess it could be possible Hogwart is a Horcruxes too, but i don't think it is likely [20:44] <fawkes28> it has its own enchantments around it [20:44] <NiGHTS> I think it has to be a smaller abject and I think Hogwarts prob has many protective charms of its own [20:44] <nympheart> I thought the Hat, Pellinore [20:44] <fawkes28> i dont think Tom would be that stupid to try something that wouldn't work [20:44] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:44] <harrypotterfreak4> nope, it's moaning murtle's toilet [20:44] <harrypotterfreak4> lol [20:44] <nympheart> wb poet [20:44] <fawkes28> wb. poet [20:44] *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles [20:44] <cloudpic> LOL [20:44] <Pellinore> I bet the Hat retires or get wacked in 7 so the houses have to combine. [20:44] <NiGHTS> lol [20:45] <Poet> I hope not Pellinore [20:45] <Val_Halla> It's GG's sword, despite what DD thought [20:45] <cloudpic> Oh dear... I rather like the Hat's poetry... I hope it's not destroyed! [20:45] <NiGHTS> maybe it just refuses to sort [20:45] <fawkes28> poet, we are talking about Hogwarts as a Horcrux [20:45] <Poet> I think there might be one horcrux there, but not more than one [20:46] <Val_Halla> I think one is at Hogwarts [20:46] <Poet> I can imagine it being in the Chamber of Secrets or the trophy room [20:46] <Aislinn> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [20:46] <harrypotterfreak4> we'll have a new house ravenpuffgryffinnslyther [20:46] <cbm> Has one been found in Hogwarts? [20:46] <cloudpic> There already was a hoarcrux in Hogwarts.... though not placed there by Tom.. [20:46] <KimmyBlair> woot! [20:46] <fawkes28> The speculation about the remaining Horcruxes is vast. What objects do you think the rest of the Horcruxes are? Was Dumbledore 100% correct? [20:46] <nympheart> I think there's a Horcrux in the CoS [20:46] <cloudpic> that diary [20:46] <Pellinore> Tiara or DD's glasses might be at hogwarts. [20:46] <Aislinn> Next week's chat will be on the Hero's Journey [20:46] <harrypotterfreak4> i think the tiara or the wand [20:46] <fawkes28> woo hoo for Hero's Journey smile [20:46] <cloudpic> My, that will be interesting [20:46] <nympheart> cool [20:46] <Val_Halla> DD was wrong about Naginii [20:46] <cbm> But voldemort did not leave one in hogwarts [20:46] <KimmyBlair> I agree [20:46] <nympheart> I think DD was wrong about Nagini [20:46] <KimmyBlair> no Snake horcrux [20:47] <fawkes28> i agree, kimmy [20:47] <NiGHTS> Got to go :'( See you all again soon ! [20:47] <Val_Halla> The wand from Ollivander's is one [20:47] <nympheart> bye nights [20:47] <harrypotterfreak4> okay, i have to throw this theory out, my friend thinks that the whole book is harry dreaming and in the end he'll wake up under the staris and wish he had a scar [20:47] <nympheart> interesting Val [20:47] <Pellinore> Tiara (1 of 2 mentioned), HS's Cup, Nagini, Locket, Snake, DD's glasses, Olivander's Wand. [20:47] <fawkes28> i think DD is right about the founders though and how tom was fascinated with them [20:47] *** NiGHTS has quit [Bye] [20:47] <nympheart> I hate that theory hpfreak, no offense to your friend [20:47] <harrypotterfreak4> i hate it too don't worry [20:48] *** Gryffinclaw has quit [Bye] [20:48] <marielle> The Wand (in Ollivander's shop), Riddle's house, and a clock, i don't knwo which one yet [20:48] <Val_Halla> I don't think Jo would do that [20:48] <Pellinore> the entire book being a dream is a classic BAD way to create a plot. Its taught in writting school 101 as what not to do ;o [20:48] <hrh7> How could it be DD's glasses? Wouldn't he sense the magic? [20:48] <cloudpic> The wand, the tiara of the Weasley's... [20:48] <nympheart> you'd think so hrh [20:48] <Aislinn> yes, that would be a horrible plot development pell [20:48] <nympheart> I don't like the tiara theory [20:49] <Pellinore> it would be classic irony if a horcrux was right under/on his nose ;o [20:49] <fawkes28> me either, nymph [20:49] <Poet> I think DD was correct but that there is an additional thing that Harry will have to do - some sort of self sacrifice in addition to destroying the 6 Voldie soul parts that are in "objects" [20:49] <Val_Halla> If it is a tiara, it's the one in the RoR [20:49] <cbm> I think that all of them are hidden, so, I think the place matters more than what they are [20:49] <harrypotterfreak4> well actually on top of his nose pellinore [20:49] <Val_Halla> Not the Weasley tiara [20:49] <fawkes28> There is a theory that Florean Fortescue was taken because he is a distant relative of Fortescue, an old Headmaster at Hogwarts? How would this help Lord Voldemort in the war? Why is Fortescue significant? [20:49] <nympheart> I think the place is important too cbm [20:49] <Pellinore> would be fun though if the glasses were Rowena Ravenclaw's and were what allowed DD to see invisible stuff. [20:49] <KimmyBlair> To much of a streatch [20:50] <Val_Halla> Fortescue is Regulus [20:50] <harrypotterfreak4> i think any part of hogwarts is importnat to voldemort [20:50] <KimmyBlair> i thik to introuduce a whole plot like htat would be to much [20:50] <mollywobbles23> DEs wanted free ice cream [20:50] <nympheart> Fortescue is a history whiz, he'd know about the Founders [20:50] <harrypotterfreak4> lol molly [20:50] <cloudpic> Fortescue was too outspoken [20:50] <fawkes28> i think Fortescue is intelligent and may know something about the Founders so LV wants some more information [20:50] <Poet> So I think Fortescue knows something he shouldn't [20:50] <nympheart> taking that theory straight from fw [20:50] <Pellinore> Fortescue was one of the names of someone that was involved with the Guy Fawkes gunpower treason. [20:50] <nympheart> really? I didn't know that Pellinore [20:50] <fawkes28> val, Regulus, eh? a tad bit wacky wink [20:50] <Pellinore> yea its on Wikipedia i think [20:51] <nympheart> so that sort of indicates he's not on LV's side I guess [20:51] <cloudpic> He knew a lot of history....poor Binns better go transparent! [20:51] <Val_Halla> You never know... [20:51] <Pellinore> or a link from it.. found it while looking up V for Vendetta [20:51] <harrypotterfreak4> binns would stay even if there was another teacher [20:51] <fawkes28> but maybe voldemort doesnt have him - maybe he is just hiding [20:51] <nympheart> lol, I love that movie [20:51] <nympheart> V is my hero [20:51] <fawkes28> What about Ollivander? The talk about his is that he's Voldemort's man. There is a theory that Ollivander comes from a long line of Death Eaters, and that he is also somewhat of a seer. Is Ollivander in as much danger as the gossip implies? Why or why not? [20:51] <KimmyBlair> No way is he olivander's man [20:52] <fawkes28> i don't buy the whole Ollivander anagram and that he is evil [20:52] <harrypotterfreak4> i think olivander took the wandcrux somewhere into hiding [20:52] <nympheart> I think he's neutral actually [20:52] <KimmyBlair> i doubt he would of give harry his want ifOlivander was Voldie's man [20:52] <mollywobbles23> my theory is that Fortescue was a witness to Ollivander being taken and he was taken and is probably dead. [20:52] <fawkes28> i dont think he is a seer either [20:52] <cbm> If he was Voldemort's man, he never would have informed DD of Harry's wand choice [20:52] <Val_Halla> Ollivander and DD were friends/associates [20:52] <nympheart> the way he talked about LV's great power openly [20:52] <fawkes28> but he could be ravenclaw's heir [20:52] <Poet> I think he's in danger simply because of his importance in the wizard world as a wand maker - and a certain wand he has in his possession.... [20:52] <KimmyBlair> I think Ollivander and Voldie were two difernet generatons [20:52] <Val_Halla> I agree fawkes [20:52] <harrypotterfreak4> everyone admits voldemort had great power though [20:52] <KimmyBlair> I agree Poet [20:52] <nympheart> what makes you think that cbm? [20:53] <Pellinore> I think Ollivander is one very cabable wizard... i'd like to think that if anyone messed with him they'll be a HUGE pile of rubble. [20:53] <mollywobbles23> nope. Voldemort wants to know about that whole Priori Incantatum thing. The simplest answer is usually the correct answer. [20:53] <KimmyBlair> oh i like that mollywobbles [20:53] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [20:53] <nympheart> I agree molly [20:53] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:53] <nympheart> wb fw [20:53] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:54] <futureweasley> thank you [20:54] <cloudpic> Ollivander is a skilled and master craftsman. He is needed to resolve the "brother wands" issue, no? [20:54] <cbm> If he was pro Voldemort, I do not see him giving information to Dumbledore, could you see lucius giving info to Dumbledore [20:54] <cloudpic> Ollie could make other people's wands work....well. [20:54] <futureweasley> yes cloudpic, I believe he will be essential in that fight [20:54] <fawkes28> exactly, cbm [20:54] <nympheart> but LV was gone at the time [20:54] <harrypotterfreak4> maybe olivander is pulling a "snape" [20:54] <fawkes28> nope - snape is good smile [20:55] <cloudpic> I think it's more likely that Ollivander is in hiding, like Slughorn [20:55] <cbm> Maybe Voldemort kidnapped him to have him make a new wand that could fight Harry [20:55] <futureweasley> I would absolutely hate that, hpotterfreak...just he very well could be doing that [20:55] <Val_Halla> I tend to think Ollivander went into hiding on his own [20:55] <fawkes28> What is your favorite "pet theory"? Do you consider your "pet theory" to be crazy, a little "out there", or perfectly normal? [20:55] <cbm> to me going into hiding is the most likely also [20:55] <nympheart> hmm [20:56] <KimmyBlair> am i still here? [20:56] <fawkes28> my new pet theory is the time turner one - i love that one [20:56] <fawkes28> yes, kimmy [20:56] <harrypotterfreak4> my pet thoery is crazy, i believe crookshanks will lead sirius back from behind the veil [20:56] <futureweasley> my favorite pet theory right now is the Harry timeturner godric's hollow theory...and, yes, I consider it "out there" [20:56] <nympheart> I think that Snape did not tell the prophecy verbatim to LV for the purpose of targeting the Potters [20:56] <fawkes28> great minds, future [20:56] <Val_Halla> Pet theory: DD was asking Snape to kill him when he said "please" [20:56] <nympheart> we see you kimmy [20:56] <cloudpic> Trevor is a cell phone linking neville to his uncle algie. It's my "pet" theory. smile [20:56] <Pellinore> Mine is the Locket is at the bottom of the Lake around the neck of Regulus Black as an Infiri [20:56] <nympheart> lol cp [20:56] <futureweasley> lol cloudpic [20:56] <fawkes28> i agree nymph and val [20:56] <Val_Halla> Perfectly rational smile [20:56] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [20:56] <marielle> My favorite pet theory (which is very crazy) is that Ripper is RAB (or Regulus) [20:57] <futureweasley> LOL marielle...I totally forgot to add that one to the questions!! [20:57] <futureweasley> that's a great theory...and totally out there, which makes it great! [20:57] <cloudpic> Hee hee marielle... I like that! [20:57] <marielle> Well i am the only who beleive this [20:57] <fawkes28> that is a wacky one - but different! smile [20:57] <Aislinn> Ripper! [20:57] <Aislinn> that is really funny laugh [20:57] <harrypotterfreak4> oh that'd be rich [20:58] <fawkes28> Wacky theories, live or die? [20:58] <Poet> Die [20:58] <nympheart> some will live [20:58] <futureweasley> they will live on in infamy! [20:58] <harrypotterfreak4> actually i have too many crazy out there theories to name in one sitting [20:58] <cloudpic> Live! [20:58] <cbm> Die [20:58] <fawkes28> i'll pick half-live just for, hf laugh [20:58] <harrypotterfreak4> they will live on [20:58] <futureweasley> I think, between everyone in the fandom and on Leaky, we have book 7 hammered out [20:58] <marielle> Too bad i don't have teh time to explain, i can connect the two together trhought canon ( it is very stretch) LOL [20:58] <cbm> lol [20:58] <Aislinn> Jo is going to come up with something that none of us have envisioned, and would now call wacky [20:59] <nympheart> I'm sure there's something we haven't figured out [20:59] <Aislinn> and it will be brilliant! [20:59] <Poet> I think they'll die but it will be a self-sacrifice and someone will be able to bring them back from the great beyond wink [20:59] <fawkes28> whatever Jo comes up with we will not think will be wacky [20:59] <cloudpic> Lovely, Aislinn! [20:59] <nympheart> agreed Aislinn [20:59] <marielle> That is so true [20:59] <futureweasley> you're right, nympheart... [20:59] <Pellinore> Snape mentioned the LV how Lily would be usefull alive but LV got tired of waiting for her to get out of the way and wacked her anyway. ;o [20:59] <fawkes28> we will just take it all in [20:59] <harrypotterfreak4> bye guys this was fun [20:59] <futureweasley> thanks for coming! [20:59] *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [20:59] <Aislinn> it was fun, everyone! [20:59] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming to the chat! smile [20:59] * futureweasley hugs all the chatters [20:59] *** harrypotterfreak4 left #lounge [] [20:59] <Aislinn> Hope to see you soon [20:59] <cbm> bye [20:59] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [21:00] <Val_Halla> No doubt the wacky theories will live on even after DH [21:00] <Pellinore> cya ;o [21:00] * nympheart hugs everyone [21:00] <marielle> Bye [21:00] <nympheart> bye! [21:00] <Poet> cheers [21:00] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [21:00] <fawkes28> i am sure they will val [21:00] <cloudpic> Bye, all! [21:00] *** marielle left #lounge [] [21:00] <fawkes28>  [21:00] <hrh7> Thanks! Very interesting. [21:00] <futureweasley> goodnight guys! see you all soon! [21:00] <Val_Halla> Very entertaining chat, everyone! Bye! 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