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Aislinn SoonerGryffindor fawkes28 Poet Mr. McGonagall [18:05] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [18:05] *** Topic is: The Four Hogwarts Founders [18:05] *** Topic set by Aislinn [Thu Dec 7 20:19:15 2006] [18:06] <futureweasley> hi pete [18:06] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [18:06] <nympheart> hi pete, sooner, and brett [18:06] <BrettMac> Hi [18:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> how do i change my font colour? [18:06] <professorpete> Hey All [18:06] <fawkes28> bottom right - the two arrows [18:06] * BrettMac is sick... *cough* [18:06] <fawkes28> where you type [18:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thanks! [18:06] <Expelliarmas> look to the bottom right of the chat line, see the >> click on that [18:06] <ProngsPatronus> awww--have some home made chicken soup! [18:06] <BrettMac> lol [18:06] <Expelliarmas> but not green [18:07] <Expelliarmas> pink would work [18:07] <SoonerGryffindor> or red [18:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [18:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe maroony? [18:07] <BrettMac> i wish... if i could make chicken soup my problems would be solved [18:07] <HeidiBug> lol [18:07] <Expelliarmas> maroone is fine [18:07] <HeidiBug> any color is good [18:07] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [18:07] <Aislinn> hi debbie [18:07] <nympheart> hi debbie [18:07] <ProngsPatronus> throw some chicken and parts into a pot, and simmer for about 4 hrs [18:07] <HeidiBug> hi Debbie [18:07] <ProngsPatronus> chicken broth! [18:07] <DumbleDebbie> yay, I got in [18:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi [18:08] <Expelliarmas> "chicken and parts" um, "parts" of what? [18:08] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [18:08] *** hpfan1970 has joined #lounge [18:08] <professorpete> [18:08] <Aislinn> hi everyone [18:08] <nympheart> hi ltbrave and hpfan [18:08] <DumbleDebbie> hi ltbrave, hpfan [18:08] <ProngsPatronus> lol--parts of a chicken, of course [18:08] <hpfan1970> hi! [18:08] <Expelliarmas> ah er, yummmy [18:08] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [18:08] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [18:08] <professorpete> [18:08] <ProngsPatronus> lol [18:09] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [18:09] <ProngsPatronus> you will just have to come and have some [18:09] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [18:09] <DumbleDebbie> hi NYB [18:09] <BrettMac> 4 hours? if i had that kind of time... [18:09] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [18:09] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [18:09] <Expelliarmas> or, take the short cut and open up a can of progresso [add chicken] and voila [18:09] <DumbleDebbie> hmmmm, something odd going on with the CB tonight [18:09] *** ltbrave23 has quit [Bye] [18:09] <BrettMac> lol [18:09] <Aislinn> the server was replaced, and it seems to be acting oddly [18:09] <HeidiBug> anyone watching Lost tonight? [18:10] <hpfan1970> sorry,this is my 1st time here...so what are we chatting about 2night?? [18:10] <Expelliarmas> nope, i'm working ... for a change [18:10] <BrettMac> oh, lost is on? what time, i might watch it for once [18:10] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Aislinn, that's putting it mildly. NYBookworm seems to ve having problems staying in the room [18:10] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [18:10] <Expelliarmas> we're discussing the Founders [18:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha [18:10] <nympheart> I saw Lost season 1 on DVD and loved it, but I haven't seen anything else [18:10] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [18:10] *** Punky has joined #lounge [18:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> come on bookworm!! you can do it! [18:10] <DumbleDebbie> the 1st season was awesome [18:10] <professorpete> I am addicted to lost [18:10] <DumbleDebbie> all downhill from there [18:10] <nympheart> hi punky [18:10] * futureweasley significantly fangirls Punky of the CoC!! [18:10] <DumbleDebbie> hi NYB [18:10] <professorpete> Hey Punks [18:11] <fawkes28> woot for the Founders! [18:11] <Punky> Hey [18:11] <DumbleDebbie> hi Punky [18:11] <Punky> Hi Future! [18:11] <Aislinn> so glad you finally made it in, NYB! [18:11] <HeidiBug> The founders are awesome [18:11] <ProngsPatronus> I have been having trouble getting on--sometimes, I can't get into the chat at all [18:11] <ProngsPatronus> like last week :sad: [18:11] <Aislinn> awww [18:11] <DumbleDebbie> that stinks PP [18:11] <fawkes28> awww Prongs [18:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, i don't think about the founders too much... i want to see what everyone thinks is so great about them :-P [18:11] <professorpete> I have the same trouble [18:12] <Aislinn> I've sent messages on to the tekkies about our difficulties - hopefully, they will get them resolved soon [18:12] * nympheart crosses her fingers [18:12] <HeidiBug> The founders are great because . . . . without them, they'd be no Hogwarts . . . and therefor no story [18:12] <DumbleDebbie> oh yeah, I just noticed... my preferences have all been reset [18:13] <fawkes28> yes - you have to reset [18:13] *** ltbrave23 has quit [Bye] [18:13] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [18:13] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [18:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well yeah, they're important, but it seems like a lot of people assign them personalities and characteristics when we know very little about them... ahh :-) we'll get into it officially i'm sure [18:13] <ProngsPatronus> wb, expie [18:13] <Expelliarmas> that's what i get for changing my preferences [18:13] <hpfan1970> i was thinking that too,we don't know all that much about them,well,i don't anyway LOL [18:13] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [18:13] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [18::13] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [18:14] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [18:14] <DumbleDebbie> Snuffles will have none of that changing preferences nonsense! [18:14] <ProngsPatronus> ah, but what we do know is so tantilising! [18:14] <Expelliarmas> snuffles will behave or else [18:14] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [18:14] * ProngsPatronus likes being tantalised... [18:15] <professorpete> The P named members are many [18:15] <Expelliarmas> that's the problem right there, snuffles is bloated with undeserved treats [18:15] <fawkes28> i hear ya, debbie - the chat is so much better in comic sans - that was the first thing i changed [18:15] <ProngsPatronus> lol--what is a botsnack, anyway? [18:15] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [18:15] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [18:15] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [18:15] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [18:15] <NYBookworm> yay! finally [18:15] <DumbleDebbie> hi kaelgirl [18:15] <nympheart> hi kaelgirl [18:15] <BrettMac> did we start the chat yet? im working on something else in a separate window... [18:15] <Expelliarmas> botsnack=scooby snacks for a bad server [18:15] <ProngsPatronus> ah [18:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [18:15] <kaelgirl> hey [18:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> not yet brett [18:15] <DumbleDebbie> Snuffles needs a whack with a rolled up newspaper, not snacks! [18:16] <ProngsPatronus> try thr pizza-flavoured ones. my dogs love them the best [18:16] <nympheart> don't hit dogs! [18:16] <Pellinore> hit logs! [18:16] <nympheart> lol [18:16] <Expelliarmas> my dog eats anything, including pvc pipes, so i can't use him as a standard [18:16] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [18:16] *** ltbrave23 has quit [Bye] [18:16] <DumbleDebbie> intestines of steel [18:16] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [18:16] *** fw00per has joined #lounge [18:16] <SoonerGryffindor> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon [18:17] <SoonerGryffindor> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [18:17] <SoonerGryffindor> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [18:17] <SoonerGryffindor> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [18:17] <SoonerGryffindor> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [18:17] <Aislinn> Hogwarts was founded over a thousand years ago by four of the greatest witches and wizards: Godric Gryffindor, Helga Hufflepuff, Rowena Ravenclaw, and Salazar Slytherin. [18:18] <Aislinn> They divided the students into Houses, based on the qualities they valued. The sorting hat lets us know how this happened: Said Slytherin, “We’ll teach just those whose ancestry is purest.” Said Ravenclaw, “We’ll teach those whose intelligence is surest.” Said Gryffindor, “We’ll teach all those with brave deeds to their name,” Said Hufflepuff, “I’ll teach the lot, and treat them just the same.” [18:18] <Aislinn> At first the Four Founders worked nicely together, educating students. However, Slytherin wanted to be more selective in admitting students only from magical families. A rift was created and Slytherin left the school. [18:18] <Aislinn> The Four Founders are from very different parts of Britain: Gryffindor from wild moor, Hufflepuff from Valley Broad, Ravenclaw from Glen, and Slytherin from the fen. How do you think the Founders met? [18:19] <DumbleDebbie> hey HF! [18:19] <ProngsPatronus> quality will out [18:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> at school *snigger* [18:19] <hpfan1970> wow,good question [18:19] <hpfan1970> never thought about it [18:19] <professorpete> at the pub [18:19] <HeidiBug> hmm . . . I had never thought about it [18:19] <kaelgirl> probably through their profession or something [18:19] <nympheart> heard of each other's fame? [18:19] <DumbleDebbie> they were all out on a double date [18:19] <kaelgirl> maybe they were something before being teachers [18:19] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps it was a matter of the quality of the work they did [18:19] <kaelgirl> lol Debbie [18:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, a similar profession kaelgirl? [18:19] <ProngsPatronus> word would get around [18:19] <nympheart> alchemists? [18:19] *** Poet has joined #lounge [18:20] <nympheart> hi poet [18:20] <professorpete> Hey Poet [18:20] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they were all running small schools of their own prior to getting together [18:20] <DumbleDebbie> hi Poet [18:20] <Aislinn> hi poet [18:20] <hpfan1970> right,since they were all exceptional witches and wizards,naturally their paths would cross?? [18:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> howdy poet! [18:20] <fawkes28> maybe their parents knew each other [18:20] <ProngsPatronus> hey Poet! [18:20] <Poet> hey [18:20] <kaelgirl> hey Poet [18:20] <fawkes28> they had play dates as tykes [18:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think they would have had to go to school together [18:20] <SoonerGryffindor> There probably werent all that many magical people running around [18:20] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was easier to travel then, too-- [18:20] <kaelgirl> was there a school before Hogwarts? [18:20] <Aislinn> I think that wizards had better means of travel [18:20] <hpfan1970> was there no magical school before Hogwarts? [18:20] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, the magical community seems pretty tight knit [18:20] <Expelliarmas> no school before hogwarts [18:21] <Expelliarmas> that we know of [18:21] <Aislinn> maybe they met at Quidditch match [18:21] <ProngsPatronus> at least, not in the british isles [18:21] <DumbleDebbie> private tutoring and home schooling before Hogwarts [18:21] <Poet> They seem like the type to have met in a bookstore, but in 1000AD I hardly think there were any [18:21] *** Shard has joined #lounge [18:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> is that canon expelliarmas? no school before hogwarts? [18:21] <DumbleDebbie> hi shard [18:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't now [18:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> know [18:21] <hpfan1970> hmm,this is a good question for JK...lol [18:21] <Shard> Hi! [18:21] <nympheart> possible Aislinn, does anyone remember the date Quidditch became popular? [18:21] <Shard> Did we start yet? [18:21] <DumbleDebbie> yep [18:21] <Poet> There really weren't any schools back then [18:21] <Shard> I think it was the 1300's [18:21] <kaelgirl> yes we did, Shard [18:21] <ProngsPatronus> not so [18:22] <DumbleDebbie> we're speculating how the Founders may have met [18:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I thought it was closer to 1000 years ago [18:22] <Shard> I think it was around 1312, started by a witch [18:22] <Poet> Maybe they knew each others relatives [18:22] <nympheart> so not quidditch [18:22] <hpfan1970> I wonder if anyone's ever posed this question to Jo... [18:22] <Shard> I think they did "schooling" in the old fashioned way [18:22] <kaelgirl> Maybe they lived in other homes in the same area, after they moved out and went about doing their own things [18:22] <Expelliarmas> perhaps at a coffee house ... [18:22] <Shard> A Wizard and his apprentice, and so on and those in families [18:22] <hpfan1970> and they were all around the same age,right? [18:22] <fawkes28> i think so [18:22] <ProngsPatronus> we also don't know how old they were when they started Hogwarts [18:23] <Shard> THey could have been famous amongst the Wizarding community [18:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it says that they shared a dream of creating a school, maybe this dream brought them together? [18:23] <Poet> The magical world is not a big one. They didn't seem to live near each other, so they must have met through family or mutal friends, I'd imagine [18:23] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think we know that hpfan [18:23] <fw00per> it's natural for those with similar interests to seek one another out [18:23] <Shard> And I think the Wizards at that time were vulnarble to fanatical Muggles [18:23] <Aislinn> Hogwarts was founded in the Middle Ages when witch hunting was common. There was a need for wizards to protect and defend themselves. Is this why the Founders created Hogwarts or is there another reason they came together? [18:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is just natural to want to organize [18:23] <futureweasley> I think it is a bit of a couple of reasons [18:23] <fw00per> I'm sure there are several reasons [18:23] <fawkes28> i think it possibly could have been created because of this reason [18:23] <futureweasley> I agree Sooner [18:23] <kaelgirl> probably to defend the other wizards and witches and to arm them against those who wanted to hunt them [18:23] <ProngsPatronus> I think they had a vision of a place that magic would be taught--and be safe [18:23] <nympheart> I think they were already friends when they decided to create Hogwarts [18:23] <fawkes28> but i think they all were drawn to the educational world [18:24] <Expelliarmas> it could have been to protect themselves, but i doubt that was the primar reason [18:24] <Expelliarmas> *primary [18:24] <fawkes28> i think they all had a geuine interest to educate young people [18:24] <DumbleDebbie> there may have been an earlier uprising of evil that needed to be fought down as well [18:24] <Shard> I think there were many reasons but persuction would be a strong one [18:24] <futureweasley> I think that people with magical capabilities with no training was dangerous to the Wizarding Community [18:24] <Shard> To help edcuate wizards on how to protect themselves [18:24] <ProngsPatronus> they are [18:24] <kaelgirl> I think that there are natural ways of protecting yourself, kinda like how Harry's hair always grew back after getting cut. [18:24] <Expelliarmas> also to identify magical persons and get them trained [18:24] <Poet> It certainly doesn't hurt to send your teenaged magical children away to somewhere to learn - where muggles wouldn't hear their loud bangs and attempts at magic [18:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Well, professor binns says that they built it far away because of the "prying eyes"... i think they wanted a school, but had to take precautions because of the timing [18:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and the people of the time [18:25] <futureweasley> plus, strength in numbers, right? [18:25] <DumbleDebbie> lol, those noisy neighbors [18:25] <ProngsPatronus> actually, the oldest known persecutions in europe started in the late 1100s [18:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [18:25] <ProngsPatronus> about 100-150 years after Hogwarts was founded [18:25] <DumbleDebbie> so Hogwarts predates that PP? [18:25] <fw00per> a natural teacher can't help but share what they know - it only makes sense to organize the teaching [18:25] <ProngsPatronus> yes [18:25] <DumbleDebbie> lol [18:25] <nympheart> does that mean Hogwarts wasn't always hidden? [18:25] <ProngsPatronus> late 900-1000 [18:26] <DumbleDebbie> gotta love that lag  P[18:26] <Expelliarmas> i dont think they were that concerned with persecutions; gwendoly the weird comes to mind [18:26] <Shard> I think it would always be hidden [18:26] <fawkes28> i think they wanted to train people to protect themselves [18:26] <Pellinore> Couple of possibilities, 1) Wizard Adults wanted to move away from Mentor/Student/Journeyman type of learning and broaden their kids learning. 2) Wanted to impart a specific theology / idea like magical control/laws on all kids. (happens with religious and political schools to sway kids to their dogma). [18:26] <Shard> I agree Fawkes28 [18:26] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, she wasn't too worried. but maybe the kids couldn't protect themselves yet [18:26] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes as well [18:26] <Aislinn> that makes sense pell [18:26] <ProngsPatronus> good point, pellinore [18:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe JKR wasn't really thinking about exact timing when she said "hogwarts was founded over a thousand years ago" [18:26] <kaelgirl> she probably wasn't, Prongs. [18:27] <futureweasley> She's not "precise" with time, is she? [18:27] <Shard> Yeah the exact date is probably lost to time [18:27] <DumbleDebbie> yes, true. math isn't her fav [18:27] <Expelliarmas> no, she isn't fw [18:27] <DumbleDebbie> [18:27] <hpfan1970> I think I'll go back thru the books and look up anything prof.binns ever said LOL [18:27] * Shard wishes he could read the Hogwarts, a History book [18:27] <Aislinn> not even a little bit, future [18:27] <Pellinore> True JkR does seem to be vauge on some dates/numbers but the concepts are still there for how things moved along i think. [18:27] <kaelgirl> I think she was giving a general time period. Its like the amount of students at hogwarts. Her estimation doesn't really make sense [18:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha don't get me started on the "number of students in hogwarts" math bit [18:27] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that'd be great Shard. I think all of us would like that [18:27] <nympheart> I was a bit surprised she didn't write Hogwarts, A History with QA and FB [18:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> great minds, kaelgirl [18:27] <Shard> [18:28] *** cbm has joined #lounge [18:28] <ProngsPatronus> actually, there was a compelling astrological event that happened in the late 900s [18:28] * futureweasley runs after chocolate with a roll of duct tape! haha [18:28] <kaelgirl> lol chocolate [18:28] <DumbleDebbie> hi cbm [18:28] <nympheart> tell us PP [18:28] <ProngsPatronus> it is in davidenglish's essay--lovely reasoning [18:28] <Pellinore> and that would be? (for Prongs ;) ) [18:28] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [18:28] <cbm> Hi everyone, ug crowd tonight! [18:28] <Poet> Yeah, so instead of relying on the tutoring of a magical mentor with a just a couple special areas of magical ability or interest, their students could learn a wider variety of magic at a school - teachers could share the load [18:28] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [18:28] <Aislinn> that is a good essay, prongs [18:29] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [18:29] <Aislinn> Knowing the characteristics that Godric Gryffindor values, what do you think he did before he founded Hogwarts? [18:29] <fw00per> yes, poet, all teachers have a special area of interest [18:29] <nympheart> Auror or related [18:29] <Expelliarmas> soldier [18:29] <cbm> Soldier? [18:29] <Shard> I think he was a protector of a town [18:29] <hpfan1970> auror [18:29] <DumbleDebbie> ok, that 'jumping' thing you guys were asking about recently.... I think it's happening on my screen now (just FYI) [18:29] <Shard> Hence Godrics Hollow [18:29] <fawkes28> but where their such things as auror back then? [18:29] <Expelliarmas> the man owned quite the sword [18:29] <fw00per> I was thinking Indy Jones type of character [18:29] <Aislinn> soldier seems logical [18:29] <NYBookworm> Maybe fighting for freedom of wizards and witches in society? [18:29] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe he was in charge of whatever villiage he was from? [18:29] <fawkes28> thanks debbie [18:29] *** bartycrouchjrrules has joined #lounge [18:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he had a sword [18:29] <Shard> I aqgree with Sooner [18:29] <nympheart> hi barty [18:29] <HeidiBug> He was a dragon slayer! [18:29] <DumbleDebbie> hi barty [18:29] <Pellinore> probably royalty's court Wizard like Merlin [18:29] <bartycrouchjrrules> hello everyone [18:29] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [18:30] <cbm> That is an impressive sword [18:30] <BrettMac> oops, i forgot about the chat! well...i gotta go anyway, ill talk to everybody later. i'll TRY to make it to p3 on sunday [18:30] <fw00per> a traveling adventurist on the hunt for knowledge [18:30] <nympheart> lol, I like that Heidi [18:30] <professorpete> A slayer of evil [18:30] <kaelgirl> I agree Pellinore [18:30] <DumbleDebbie> hi 7 [18:30] <Shard> I think he may even have foinded Godrics Hollow, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it until JKR says otherwise [18:30] *** BrettMac left #lounge [] [18:30] <SevenofNine> Greetings everyone [18:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that all of them were probably natural leaders [18:30] <nympheart> me too Shard [18:30] <Expelliarmas> heya, 7 [18:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he was probably rich, to have owned a sword like that, so he might not have needed an official profession... he could have been from a family in high society [18:30] <harryfreak359> hmmm that's a really good question, I have never thought about it before [18:30] <Pellinore> doesn't say he was a Baron/Knight/Earl/Duke etc. and you'ld expect that in a British book, at least i would. [18:30] <harryfreak359> hey 7 [18:30] <kaelgirl> hey 7of9 [18:30] <nympheart> but that may have been after he helped found Hogwarts [18:30] <Shard> I agree with atht as well SG lol, I think they all had the ability to lead and thus why they rallyed together to form the school [18:31] <SevenofNine> GG probably lived in a time when people used swords more. [18:31] <SevenofNine> I imagine it was a time when wizards weren't quite so isolated [18:31] <ProngsPatronus> recently, the Belgian astronomer Jean Meeus made the interesting discovery that all nine planets were within the same quadrant on February 1, 949.5 The Four Founders might have thought this rare astronomical grouping auspicious. When conjoined with the Celtic Festival of Imbolc, which falls on the first day of February, we can imagine the Founders considered this date irresistible for the birth of a school of witchcraft & wizardry. [18:31] <ProngsPatronus> this is from the essay [18:31] <Expelliarmas> he did, but it wasn't any old sword; it was bejeweled [18:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> can't jewels carry magic?? [18:31] <DumbleDebbie> interesting Prongs [18:31] <nympheart> cool PP [18:31] <Pellinore> probably 7 but they still use Halberds in the swiss royal guard, more decorative but they're trained in their use.. also in the vatican. [18:31] <Shard> PP That is amazing but I wonder if Jo really went that far? [18:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> oh wait... Eragon... nevermind [18:32] <SevenofNine> And it wasn't a fashion sword [18:32] <SevenofNine> Dress sword [18:32] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [18:32] <Shard> Choco yes they can carry magic [18:32] <Aislinn> so they would have used that as a sign to opent he school then - interesting [18:32] <Shard> Druids used to say stones had all sorts of powers [18:32] <Pellinore> Thanks Prongs, very interesting information. [18:32] <Aislinn> What career path do you think Helga Hufflepuff chose before becoming one of the Founders of Howarts? [18:32] <fawkes28> do you think he worked with science or alchemy [18:32] <cbm> PP in 946, I think that they only knew of 7 planets [18:32] <nympheart> I could see her as a judge [18:32] <Shard> Helga could have been anything really [18:32] <DumbleDebbie> tutor [18:32] <Expelliarmas> I think he wore that sword as would have been done at that time; i don't think non-soldiers or non-nobility really wore swords [18:32] <ProngsPatronus> that is--the Muggles only knew of seven planets [18:32] <Shard> She may have been healer to all including muggle and wixzard alike [18:32] <ProngsPatronus> LOL [18:32] <NYBookworm> maybe a judge on the wizengamut [18:33] <SevenofNine> Depends upons whether the wizards were MCP (male chauvanist pigs) [18:33] <cbm> no idea what helga did [18:33] <SevenofNine> In her day [18:33] <fw00per> mom turned teacher [18:33] <fawkes28> i think that she made have worked with something in nature as she is related to the earth as her symbol [18:33] <ProngsPatronus> to wear a sword, he must have been either nobility or knighted [18:33] <Expelliarmas> I see Helga as something of a teacher and something of a naturalist [18:33] <cbm> I almost wanted to say farmer, but I have no idea why [18:33] <Pellinore> Depends on the era Expie, certain ages all soldiers carried weapons and were sometimes considered police to an effect. [18:33] <fw00per> ooo, gardener mommy turned teacher [18:33] <ProngsPatronus> I think she was an herbalist [18:33] <Shard> Considering that Hogwarts even HAD two female founders I would say they were not chuvansitic pigs [18:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I do see her associated with the earth elements [18:33] <Shard> and I think Helga held some authority where ever she was with [18:33] <Aislinn> yes, expie - the naturalist fits in with the earth element that is attached to her [18:33] <SevenofNine> Healer? [18:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the lexicon says she could be from wales [18:34] <Aislinn> I think she might have been a healer, with herbs and such [18:34] <Shard> I can see Helga has a healer... [18:34] <SoonerGryffindor> me too [18:34] <Poet> She brought people together, so maybe her family owned a pub? [18:34] <Poet> Just a thought [18:34] <Expelliarmas> who HH as being from Wales? that'd be cool, what a great country [18:34] <ProngsPatronus> then why afren't those arts taught at Hogwarts? [18:34] <SevenofNine> lol Poet [18:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, i wonder where the chalice came from? [18:34] <DumbleDebbie> maybe that's where they all met Poet, Helga's Hanged Man [18:34] <SevenofNine> Higher education I imagine, like aurors [18:34] <Pellinore> Helga the healer and or herbologist sounds good but dunno. need more info on the founders. ;o [18:34] <fw00per> herbology is taught by the head of hufflepuff house [18:34] <ProngsPatronus> one would think that, if she were a healer, those subjects would be part of the curriculum [18:35] <kaelgirl> I think she could be a healer [18:35] <Poet> I like that idea as well - she could have had a store that sold herbs - a family business [18:35] <fawkes28> any of those professions sound fitting [18:35] <cbm> fw00per, thanks, that is why farmer came to my mind first [18:35] <Expelliarmas> well, herbology is part of the curriculum and it forms the foundation for many potions which a healer would use [18:35] <Pellinore> I wouldn't be suprised if rudimentary healing is a year 7 class. [18:35] <Aislinn> herbology is an important precursor, as is potions - for healing [18:35] <ProngsPatronus> yes [18:35] <fw00per> agree, aislinn [18:35] <Poet> And an herbalist would be very important in their society [18:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think that the fact that the current professor teaches herbology doesn't mean much at all [18:36] <SevenofNine> And I don't know that any particular subject would necessarily mean you were head of house [18:36] <Aislinn> I think it has more to do with the earth element, chocolate [18:36] <Pellinore> true healing could be part of advanced Herbology and/or Potions. Very interesting that Snape is a good healer. [18:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it means that Professor Sprout was good at herbology... or just couldn't resist studying something that was associated with her name [18:36] <ProngsPatronus> wisewomen were often the prop of their communities [18:36] <Aislinn> which Jo has said is related to Hufflepuff's house [18:36] <nympheart> lol chocolate [18:36] <kaelgirl> lol chocolate. [18:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> oh Jo said that? I guess the badger thing makes more sense then [18:36] <Poet> A healer seems inline with someone who would be head of a house that believed in hard work and inclusion (sort of like healing ) [18:36] <ProngsPatronus> Pmona was a Hufflepuff herself [18:36] <Shard> I think each of Founders had a favorite class and that class is touaght by the current heads of houses [18:37] <Aislinn> Rowena Ravenclaw valued intellect and creativity. What could she have done before Hogwarts? [18:37] <Shard> I think Rowena Raveclaw was probably a "scientist" amongst the wizarding communtiy in that she reacherd all types of magic [18:37] *** africansk8er has joined #lounge [18:37] <nympheart> invented spells? [18:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I always get the impression that RR was high nobility. Not sure why [18:37] <DumbleDebbie> hi africans [18:37] <ProngsPatronus> I agree [18:37] <SevenofNine> Yes, i imagine Luna's mom would have gone there too [18:37] <DumbleDebbie> scientist [18:37] <kaelgirl> scientist or some kind of revolutionary for witches [18:37] <SevenofNine> Ravenclaw [18:37] <Aislinn> yes, I have an impression of scholarship and nobility sooner [18:37] <Expelliarmas> high nobility with easy access to the intellectuals of her time [18:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [18:37] <Poet> She also could have been an architect - she came up with the changing floor plan [18:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well, her wizard card says that she came up with Hogwarts' ever changing floorplan... i think she was in securtiy [18:37] <Expelliarmas> and the arts of her time [18:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> DANGIT POET [18:37] <nympheart> true poet [18:37] <Aislinn> true, Poet [18:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that she was probably the most talented of the lot [18:38] <Shard> lol Choco [18:38] <kaelgirl> very talented, Sooner [18:38] <ProngsPatronus> to be well-educated in those times, or even to value intelligence , meant that she would have either been noble, or connected with the Church [18:38] <cbm> Some type of scholarly positio [18:38] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Sooner [18:38] <Aislinn> maybe she was a mason [18:38] <SevenofNine> Especially to be a well educated woman in that day [18:38] <Shard> They all seemed to be well educated [18:38] <Expelliarmas> a female mason at that time? [18:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that thought Aislin [18:38] <SevenofNine> Lots of people felt it was a waste of time educating women [18:38] <ltbrave23> i doubt she was a mason [18:38] <fw00per> what about Ravenclaw house being associated with air and the location of Trelawny's tower [18:38] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps her father was a Mason, Aislinn [18:38] <fw00per> I can see her being interested in astrology [18:39] <cbm> To be a well educated women of that time I think she needed to be from the nobility [18:39] <Aislinn> well, the fact that she and Hufflepuff were founders denoted an unusual freedom for them as women in that time [18:39] <Pellinore> I always thought of Rowena to be a book collector / founder of the Library for some reason. [18:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I would guess her family was important [18:39] <SevenofNine> Yes cbm [18:39] <SevenofNine> Or a unique group, Aislinn [18:39] <Expelliarmas> for women within the wizarding world perhaps there was freedom, but necessarily society at large [18:39] <SoonerGryffindor> weird how the magical world does not to seem have nearly as much sexual discrimination as the muggle world [18:39] <Aislinn> true, seven [18:39] <kaelgirl> I can see someone like her dad having a well educated position in society and teaching his (possibly) only child all that he knew [18:39] <ltbrave23> i agree cbm in fact the only educated women were of nobility or with the church [18:39] <fawkes28> i can see her as a researcher or an inventer [18:39] <ltbrave23> there are those rare instances however [18:39] <Shard> Sooner there are alot of things missing in the Wizarding world [18:39] <SevenofNine> Yet they have so much discrimination in other areas, Sooner [18:40] <SevenofNine> That's why I think RR and HH were unique for their day [18:40] <cbm> I guess by having women in such important positions, wizards were ahead of their time, so sad to see where their attitudes are now [18:40] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [18:40] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [18:40] <Expelliarmas> i agree with RR as being the one to come up with the library [18:40] <Pellinore> a wand / gun can be a very "leveling of the playing field" weapon when it comes to physical strength [18:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think there was more congress between those of the WW at that time [18:40] <kaelgirl> maybe in the wizarding world they saw the importance of women and educated them in the wizarding homes [18:40] <SevenofNine> Yes, Pellinor--kick butt and take names from a distance [18:40] <ProngsPatronus> and those of other countries [18:40] <Shard> Pell you do have a point there [18:40] <Shard> It is hard to dominaote a Sex if they have equal power as the other [18:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that she was well educated not because she was an important woman at the time, but because that's what she values most... I think her creativity made her stand out along with her intelligence [18:41] *** africansk8er has quit [Bye] [18:41] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [18:41] <SevenofNine> Some of the power is psychological though Shard [18:41] <Shard> True 7of9, look at Snape [18:41] <fawkes28> she probably was self-educated but many self-educated people are brilliant [18:41] <Shard> s mommy -------------------- |
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[18:41] <Aislinn> Resourceful and determination are two characteristics that Salazar Slytherin admired in his students. Before he founded Hogwarts, what did he do with his life?
[18:41] <SevenofNine> Look how far American women have progressed since the 1970s--when the laws were changed for women's sports. [18:41] *** elizabeth18 has joined #lounge [18:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> politics!!!! [18:41] <Expelliarmas> snake charmer [18:42] <Shard> lol Politics [18:42] <Aislinn> I think that Salazar was the original Sheriff of Nottingham [18:42] <nympheart> I think so Shard [18:42] <SevenofNine> Yes. lol [18:42] <fawkes28> LOL aislinn [18:42] <SoonerGryffindor> lol. Me too Aislinn [18:42] <ProngsPatronus> I am not so sure he was from Britian, originally [18:42] <kaelgirl> maybe some kind of noble [18:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha aislinn [18:42] *** professorpete has quit [Bye] [18:42] <Expelliarmas> but politicians typically look for compromise, he did not [18:42] <kaelgirl> ah, g2g. bye everyone! [18:42] <Shard> Some think Salazar was form Spain [18:42] <Expelliarmas> bye kg [18:42] <fawkes28> we dont know the whole story, expie [18:42] <Aislinn> bye kael [18:42] <fawkes28> why spain, shard? [18:42] <harryfreak359> wow, I just really don't know what to think with these lol. [18:43] <SevenofNine> Interesting how "resourceful and determined" have changed in slytherin, isn't it? [18:43] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [18:43] <harryfreak359> bye kael [18:43] <ProngsPatronus> the name salazar [18:43] *** bartycrouchjrrules left #lounge [] [18:43] <Aislinn> where do you think he was from, Prongs? [18:43] <Poet> yep [18:43] <Expelliarmas> no we don't know the whole story, but he doesn't strike me as a politician [18:43] <ProngsPatronus> is not british [18:43] <Shard> Because of his Name Fawkes, Salazar [18:43] <DumbleDebbie> con aritist? [18:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I do think that he was very comparable to that character though Aislinn. He seems like he was the kind of guy to be like that [18:43] <Aislinn> also spain? [18:43] <ProngsPatronus> I think he was a Moor [18:43] <nympheart> ll debbie [18:43] *** bartycrouchjrrules has joined #lounge [18:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> slytherin came from "fen" [18:43] <ProngsPatronus> there are fens all over Europe [18:43] <Expelliarmas> there are moments when i see pettiness in slytherin [18:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> quoth the lexicon: "Fens are indeed in the east of England, East Anglia and in particular Norfolk which is North East of London" [18:44] <ProngsPatronus> especially in the Balkans [18:44] <Pellinore> Considering Salazar's work with the Basilik i'd always assumed he was a dragonslayer / monster hunter. kinda guy that likes a Big Bang. [18:44] <Shard> That says alot that they would take someone from another country to be one of the Founders, Salazar must habve brought something good to the table. Maybe they DID knw about the Basilisk [18:44] <fawkes28> that is interesting pellinore [18:44] <Expelliarmas> maybe he was more into animals? [18:44] <Pellinore> or just powerful monsters. [18:44] <Pellinore> compensating for something ;o [18:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I am wondering if maybe SS bred the basilisk [18:44] <nympheart> Newt Scamander's predecessor? [18:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Like, an intelligent, resourseful, goal-seeking Hagrid? [18:45] <DumbleDebbie> probably Sooner [18:45] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think he set up the original protections on Hogwarts [18:45] <Expelliarmas> poor Hagrid would pass out at the thought [18:45] <Aislinn> yes, I do too, prongs [18:45] *** elizabeth18 has quit [Bye] [18:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's funny to imagine SS being as obsessed with animals as Hagrid [18:45] <Shard> I think Salazar was a potioneer, he probably did know a thing or two about animals [18:45] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps he got it from Herpo the Foul [18:45] <cbm> It was more dangerous than any of hagrid's creatures [18:46] <Expelliarmas> well, must teach my class; see y'all on saturday [18:46] <DumbleDebbie> bye Expie [18:46] <nympheart> bye expie [18:46] <Shard> Bye Expie [18:46] <Pellinore> cya Expie [18:46] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Expie [18:46] <ProngsPatronus> poopers--bye, expie [18:46] <Aislinn> I see him more as not an animal lover, but similar to Voldy and his love of Nagini [18:46] <fawkes28> bye expie [18:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> adios [18:46] <SevenofNine> Bye choco [18:46] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [18:46] <Shard> Obessions with Snakes [18:46] <SevenofNine> Bye Expie [18:46] <hpfan1970> right Aislinn,i feel like he wanted to control them [18:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, not leaving [18:46] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Aislinn, only if they have a practical (dark) use [18:46] <Shard> Theres that Snake lore again [18:46] <SevenofNine> Animal user, then, Aislinn? [18:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ohh, he's a user [18:47] <ProngsPatronus> yes, rather than lover [18:47] <SevenofNine> Are we painting SS with the LV paint? [18:47] <Shard> Do you think Jo is saying thgat Snakes/Reptiles = Evil? [18:47] <ProngsPatronus> no [18:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we are 7o9 [18:47] <Aislinn> yes seven [18:47] <ProngsPatronus> at least, I am not [18:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> :-D [18:47] <SevenofNine> Do we really know he ws that way? [18:47] <fawkes28> exactly seven [18:47] <Shard> I dont think Sal = LV [18:47] <Pellinore> yea maybe SS saw animals / monsters as tools or challenges. I would think you'ld have to know something about them to be a potioner since many of the ingredients come from magical creatures as well as plants. [18:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well, he got all hot and bothered with purebloodness, which is what we equate with Voldemort [18:47] <DumbleDebbie> he bred a monster to kill Muggle-borns, not a very nice guy IMO [18:47] <Aislinn> Gryffindor and Slytherin were the best of friends, yet they seem to be completely opposite in personality. How do you think they became such great friends? [18:47] <Shard> But is that true Choco? [18:47] <ProngsPatronus> it seems to me that there are four courses that always are taught by the head of House [18:48] <Shard> It was a thousand years ago, histoy could be twisted [18:48] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that one is a mystery to me [18:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that they are actually very much alike [18:48] <Aislinn> in what ways, sooner? [18:48] <nympheart> opposites complement each other, but can turn into tempermental relationships [18:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I agree with that one Shart [18:48] <Poet> I agree - determination, competitiveness [18:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Shard! [18:48] <Shard> This is my point Aislinn, WHY would Godric be friends with someone whois is porpotulaty like Voldemort? [18:48] <SoonerGryffindor> Slytherins and Gryffs are very much alike [18:48] <SevenofNine> I'm thinking the same thing, Sooner. [18:48] <ProngsPatronus> Charms for Ravenclaw, transfiguration for gryffindore, Potions for Slytherin, and herbology for Hufflepuff [18:48] <fawkes28> but they are also very different [18:48] <Poet> I think they both have a bit of firey personalities [18:48] <SoonerGryffindor> They are both very bold [18:48] <Shard> I agree SG, I tyhink they BOTH have Ambition [18:48] <fawkes28> they value different things [18:48] <SoonerGryffindor> they go after what they want [18:49] *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge [18:49] <SevenofNine> But SS was concerned perhaps about the intermarrying of wizards and muggles and the possible weakening of magical ability [18:49] <DumbleDebbie> hi me [18:49] <Aislinn> hi Me [18:49] <cbm> I think the goal of the school brought them together [18:49] <SevenofNine> Evidently wrong, based upon people like Hermione [18:49] <Pellinore> They could have been neighbors as kids. My best friends growing up went very south, drugs prison, other things i wouldn't get into. never really saw that when we were kids and now polar opposites. [18:49] *** Wierdgirl5834 has joined #lounge [18:49] <ProngsPatronus> M! [18:49] <nympheart> Slytherin changed, Shard [18:49] <Wierdgirl5834> hi! [18:49] <memyslfnI> geez I had it in my head this started at 8 PM!! LOL! [18:49] <Shard> I think Sal was tolerable of the Choices his co=-founders made but an Event changed his mind, otherwise he would never habve bothered founding the school in the first place [18:49] <DumbleDebbie> hi wierdgirl [18:49] <Shard> I agree Nymp he changed [18:49] <Poet> Value different things, but some of their intensity is similar [18:49] <Wierdgirl5834> so what are you guys talking about? [18:49] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Pell good idea [18:49] <SevenofNine> that makes sense Shard. [18:49] <SevenofNine> Makes you wonder doesn't it? [18:50] <fawkes28> but we only have a little to go on - i think their differences outweighed their similarities [18:50] <Shard> I have wondered about that [18:50] <SoonerGryffindor> They are both very passionate, they are not afraid to go after what they want, and they are very driven [18:50] <Aislinn> repeat of current question: Gryffindor and Slytherin were the best of friends, yet they seem to be completely opposite in personality. How do you think they became such great friends? [18:50] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [18:50] <Shard> That maybe Sal had a personal reason not to trust Muggle-borns [18:50] <ProngsPatronus> only in the end--and it never says they stopped being friends [18:50] <hrh7> Hi [18:50] <DumbleDebbie> hi hrh7 [18:50] <NYBookworm> They probably were both a bit michievous [18:50] <HeidiBug> I think they met and realized they had the same interests and they bonded over that [18:50] <SevenofNine> Perhaps he got burned by a girl? [18:50] <Wierdgirl5834> um, because they were powerful wizards?..... [18:50] <harryfreak359> Well sometimes people unalike become close friends easily... [18:50] <SevenofNine> Broken heart? [18:50] *** bartycrouchjrrules has quit [Bye] [18:50] <SevenofNine> Or is the too melodramatic? [18:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Gryffindor I think was more idealistic, where Slytherin was more practical [18:50] <Poet> They both wanted to educate, so that was an important foundation - both were probably focused for quite awhile on getting the school started and running [18:50] <nympheart> perhaps he was like LV, and had a family problem involving Muggles [18:51] <Wierdgirl5834> yeah what poet said [18:51] <Shard> I think both Sal and Godric had simliar ambition to education the next generation, and that says something about Sal btw that he isn't keeping it all to himself but wanting to share like the other three Founders [18:51] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was easy for GG to make friends--and not so easy for SS [18:51] <Shard> Agreed PP [18:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree with fawkes... we assign them personalities with what we know of gryffindors and slytherins, with the actions we associate with courage and abmition, but the only one we know anything about is Slytherin... we know that he created a Chamber of Secrets and created a monster to kill muggle-borns... [18:51] <Pellinore> Kinda like Proff X and Magneto's relationship. [18:51] <Shard> Sal was probably a bit of a loner [18:51] <DumbleDebbie> I can see Gryffindor wanting what was best for the comunity and Slytherin wanting what was best for himself [18:51] <SevenofNine> Sooner, don't you think it was impractical to think the wizards must only marry purebloods with so few of them? [18:51] <Wierdgirl5834> well they both had a common goal too educate young witches and wizards [18:51] <fw00per> good one Pell [18:51] <fawkes28> exactly chocolate so much of what we know is just a legend [18:51] <Aislinn> and we know what their values were, based on the sorting hat songs, chocolate [18:51] <HeidiBug> The traits of Gryffindor house and slytherin house are very much alike. It just that Slytherins tend to be more selfish [18:51] <SevenofNine> LV's mom and grandfather are prime examples [18:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was a defense mechanism seven [18:51] <fawkes28> passed down over 1,000 years [18:51] <harryfreak359> Yes heidi, I agree [18:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> They could have stories as complicated as Draco's, or Harry's, or Snape's... [18:52] <SevenofNine> But it was suicide [18:52] <Shard> I agree Choco I think that they DO [18:52] <Aislinn> so we do know some of what their personalities and tendencies were, if not details [18:52] <SevenofNine> If they were worried about losing magical ability--inbreeding didn't help [18:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think SS's prejudices did blind him [18:52] <DumbleDebbie> generations of inbreeding don't produce the sharpest tools in the shed, 7 [18:52] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps they all had experience with trying to set up their own schools [18:52] <SevenofNine> Right DDebbie [18:52] <Wierdgirl5834> I remember listening to an episode of mugglecast where they were saying that Gryffindor and Slytherin and that there friendship was tight and all [18:52] <ProngsPatronus> and came to each other's notice because of that [18:53] <Shard> I think Salazar feared the loss of knowledge, and teamed up with Godric to preserve that, Knowledge it was later that the blood dispute comes up [18:53] <fawkes28> strong personalities do have a tendency to clash [18:53] *** bartycrouchjrrules has joined #lounge [18:53] *** andreasizrhnd has joined #lounge [18:53] <Aislinn> Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw were similar yet different. Why do you think they became such great friends? [18:53] <Wierdgirl5834> Hey barty [18:53] <SevenofNine> Yes fawkes [18:53] <Poet> I think they became friends because they were both people who could make things happen [18:53] <bartycrouchjrrules> hi im back [18:53] <memyslfnI> I am sure Gg was more charasmatic, more able to sway the other two founders as opposed to SS who might not had that gift [18:53] <DumbleDebbie> hi barty [18:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> cuz they're GIRLS! [18:53] <Wierdgirl5834> because they were set with a common goal [18:53] <nympheart> perhaps the fact that they were strong females helped that out [18:53] <SevenofNine> RR makes me think of a great lady, while HH seems more down to earth (no pun intended) [18:53] <Shard> lol Some people just click [18:53] <cbm> Same reason as Godric and SS, building the school [18:53] <fawkes28> i think the two ladies were more the calming force in the castle [18:53] <ProngsPatronus> I think the pool for intelligent, accomplished women was very small [18:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that they were 2 progressive women from their time and that they had a common goal [18:54] <ProngsPatronus> they had similar goals---why not become friends [18:54] <fawkes28> and they bonded over being strong and intelligent women who shared similar beliefs [18:54] <memyslfnI> I agree sooner. [18:54] <Aislinn> certainly accomplished, prongs, although I'd hate to think there were that few intelligent [18:54] <Poet> Actually all four of the founders seemed to be interested in educating first and foremost, plus they were likely already people of some importance who others could rally behind [18:54] <ProngsPatronus> I mean schooled, Ais--my bad [18:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> It's easy to imagine them as friends, but what if they were different like Fleur and Hermione? [18:54] <Shard> I think all four did indeed realise the importance of educating the next generation [18:54] <Aislinn> ah - learned I can go along with [18:54] <Wierdgirl5834> uh Fleur and hermione like, no [18:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Trelawney and McGonagall... [18:55] <cbm> The common goal thing does it for me, that would keep most people bonded while trying to achieve it [18:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> :-P [18:55] <Wierdgirl5834> lol [18:55] <ProngsPatronus> look at patil and Padma-- [18:55] <Shard> I think it would be more like Luna and Susan [18:55] <Wierdgirl5834> yeah that's true the patil twins are different [18:55] <Poet> They were strong people with equally strong visions. And their personalities helped balance they boys [18:55] <ProngsPatronus> twins, but in different houses [18:55] <fawkes28> while the "boys" where being boys - the two ladies were giggling over a glass of wine [18:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahahaha fawkes [18:55] <Aislinn> the two women were back at the castle, setting up the coursework, designing the architecture,etc, while the men were out slaying dragons [18:55] <Wierdgirl5834> in the movie though they put them together in the same house [18:55] <Shard> Do you think RR was a little "airy" and HH down to earth? [18:56] <andreasizrhnd> what about like McGonnagall and Trelawney!! [18:56] <nympheart> lol Aislinn [18:56] <Shard> Heck yeah Aislinn! [18:56] *** Wierdgirl5834 has quit [Bye] [18:56] <ProngsPatronus> yep [18:56] <nympheart> I don't picture RR quite as spacey as Luna [18:56] * Shard is SO going to go and write that as a Fan Fic [18:56] <Aislinn> no, me either nyph [18:56] <fawkes28> aislinn, are you saying that the women couldn't slay dragons? [18:56] <Aislinn> nymph [18:56] <Pellinore> Luna's in a league of her own ;p [18:56] <SevenofNine> Typical of that day, Aislinn. lol [18:56] <fawkes28> i think they very well could have done some dragon slaying [18:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> It's just so hard to know without knowing them [18:57] <SevenofNine> Oh, they could fawkes. [18:57] <ProngsPatronus> I think she was a bit forgetful, myself--RR, that is [18:57] <SevenofNine> They just had more sense--no offense guys [18:57] <ProngsPatronus> why else create the RoR? [18:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they could have invented time turning for all we know [18:57] <Shard> Women can slay dragons but they might have been more practical minded in that the Castle should be built first [18:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I thnk the women were probably more concerned with practical matteres [18:57] <Aislinn> exactly shard [18:57] <nympheart> scatterbrained I could see as a trait for RR [18:57] <fw00per> have fun, guys, I'll see you later [18:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> by the way... *looks around* is JKR in here? :-P [18:58] <harryfreak359> I think so too sooner... [18:58] <SevenofNine> Isn't that a contradiction? [18:58] <Shard> I see the Raveclaw and Hufflepuff mindset being more practical, then danger seeking [18:58] <harryfreak359> bye fwooper [18:58] *** fw00per left #lounge [] [18:58] <SevenofNine> I don't see RR as an absent minded professor [18:58] <nympheart> I agree Shard [18:58] <Aislinn> What were the Founders’ personal lives like? Did any of them ever marry? [18:58] <harryfreak359> Probably, there house's qualities show that as well [18:58] <ProngsPatronus> not as a professor--but in RL? I can see that [18:58] <Shard> Probably HH and GG, and definatly SS [18:58] <ProngsPatronus> Hufflepuff was the real mistress of common sense [18:58] <memyslfnI> they had to of..otherwise there would not be descendants [18:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Could they have married each other? [18:58] <fawkes28> they would have had to have been married because they do have descendants [18:58] <SevenofNine> They had ancestors, so I would guess they did. [18:58] <nympheart> If Hogwarts has any connection to RR's mind, disorganized appears on the list of characteristics [18:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I imagine RR as a masked temptress [18:59] <SevenofNine> LV is a direct descendant, of SS [18:59] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, there are heirs, so they had offspring [18:59] <Shard> lol Choco [18:59] <fawkes28> i wonder that too sooner [18:59] <DumbleDebbie> lol, well spotted fawkes [18:59] <andreasizrhnd> if they had any common sense they would have stayed single! [18:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I bt they didnt though, or else we would only have 2 lines of descendants [18:59] <Pellinore> I'd be more inclined to see RR as an intellectual that collected knowledge / Books and would be ideal for setting up coursework / classes and organising magical abilities into the proper years. So kinda like an administrator / librarian. [18:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe Slytherin's wife and Gryffindor's wife had a fallout! [18:59] *** ltbrave23 left #lounge [] [18:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and that led to their friendship ending! [19:00] <SevenofNine> That's right--blame it on the women [19:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha i am a woman! [19:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> so no! [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if all of them had desendants? [19:00] <DumbleDebbie> lol 7 [19:00] <fawkes28> lol seven [19:00] *** hpfan1970 has quit [Bye] [19:00] <nympheart> interesting, sooner [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> For example, maybe RR never married? [19:00] <cbm> We only know about some of the descendants, but I would guess all of them had them [19:00] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that's an interesting question Sooner [19:00] <HeidiBug> hmm . . . I wonder who Slytherin married . . . [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> all we know for sure is that HH and SS had children [19:00] <SevenofNine> Career vs marriage? [19:00] <nympheart> probably his cousin, Heidi [19:01] <DumbleDebbie> lol nyph [19:01] <DumbleDebbie> *nymph [19:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe [19:01] <SoonerGryffindor> We have never heard of GG or RR actually having heirs [19:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true sooner... [19:01] <nympheart> I think of the four, GG is least likely to have a continued line [19:01] <fawkes28> this is very true sooner [19:01] <SevenofNine> Well, even into the late 1800s in Britain 1st cousins could marry [19:01] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe theiy married each other and there is just one line...... [19:01] <SevenofNine> And it was common [19:01] <memyslfnI> I wonder if Ollivander is a Ravenclaw descendant? [19:01] <Aislinn> why would that be true, Nymph? [19:01] <memyslfnI> The whole wand thing... [19:01] <fawkes28> i think it would be quite an interesting twist if the two of them didnt have descendants [19:01] <SevenofNine> I imagine that there are many places where the lines link [19:01] <DumbleDebbie> that'd be a power couple [19:01] <ProngsPatronus> that is an interesting thought, M [19:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah... the wand thing... memysslfnnl [19:02] <cbm> true sooner, but if Godric did found a town it just seems right to me that he did it with a family [19:02] <nympheart> he seemed to be a risk-taker, I can see that dragon eventually getting the best of him [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> yes 7 they would [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> It could hve been the town he was from cbm [19:02] <andreasizrhnd> did SS really have heirs or wasn't it just that it was the cousin that had children. Not actually SS. [19:02] <Shard> REally Nypheart? I think GG would have... not that he was obessed..... [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> all the more reason to have heirs [19:02] * Shard admits to being a hopless romantic. [19:02] <SevenofNine> That makes sense to me cbm [19:02] <Pellinore> that town could have been named after godric after he died. not to uncommon to name places after deceased famous people. [19:02] <fawkes28> but many times well established people do not settle down with a husband or a wife [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> could be Pell [19:03] <SevenofNine> But they may marry early before they are established. Especially in that day and time [19:03] <Shard> I do think Godric Founded a town and that he is even buried there, he may not have any Heirs left, biut I think he was a family kinda guy [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> life was chancy in those times--I think very few would actually choose to stay childless [19:03] <fawkes28> gp, seven [19:03] <Poet> Ollivaders' shop has been around since before Hogwarts, so the Ravenclaw and Ollivander family could have intermarried at some point - especially with the wand/rod being associated with Air - which is associated with Ravenclasw [19:03] <Pellinore> true but wizards live a very long time. one may think/assume they had more of a chance to do many more things in life. [19:03] <SevenofNine> That's assuming they had the choice to stay childless. [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Isn't Ollivanders' the oldest known establishment that we know of? [19:04] <memyslfnI> marriage might have been a way to propigate the magic genes, they might have really pushed marriage in those days [19:04] <SevenofNine> That was a day before birth control [19:04] <Shard> So all the founders could have kids [19:04] <Poet> Yeah chocolateisnotforbreakfast [19:04] <HeidiBug> Has Jo shot down Harry being Gryfindor's heir? [19:04] <memyslfnI> yes [19:04] <Shard> You could theoreticaly be a desendant of all four lol [19:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yes heidi [19:04] <Poet> Yes [19:04] <HeidiBug> ok [19:04] <Shard> Yes Hedi she did in the Memerson interview [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> they may all have married--but that does not mean their line continued until the present [19:04] <HeidiBug> wasn't sure [19:04] <SevenofNine> Very true Prongs [19:04] <memyslfnI> she did not shoot down dumbledore though [19:04] <Aislinn> Why do you think there are four Founders instead of three? [19:04] <Pellinore> Theoretically yes but she said LV was SS's last known heir. [19:04] <memyslfnI> four elements [19:04] <nympheart> four elements [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> ditto [19:05] <Shard> Four corners of a house [19:05] <SevenofNine> Gotta run. Bye [19:05] <nympheart> bye seven [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> bye 7 [19:05] <Shard> Bye 7 of nine [19:05] <Pellinore> cya 7of9 [19:05] <fawkes28> yes, but three is a powerful number too - look at how strong the trio is [19:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the fifth element... is love... HARRY! Harry is the fifth founder! [19:05] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> 4 elements [19:05] <ProngsPatronus> four elements, direction--children came from all directions of Britian [19:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> omg i love that movie [19:05] <memyslfnI> three plus four equals seven [19:05] <Aislinn> I think the elements have a lot to do with it [19:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha mem [19:05] <Shard> Yeah Choco he's going time traveling to the Founding of Hogwarts [19:05] <Poet> Jo's very keen on balance, with equal female and male teachers, so it helps that there is four - much more diverse [19:05] *** andreasizrhnd has quit [Bye] [19:05] <Pellinore> because JkR said her school seperated kids into houses and she wanted to keep that aspect. [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> that's cool too Prongs [19:06] <Shard> Hey that is interesting [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> there is also the defensive aspect [19:06] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:06] <fawkes28> that is interesting, me [19:06] <Shard> Four founders, half male and half female and same for the heads of houses [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> hello Mr M [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> Mr. M! [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> She didn't introduce the founders until CoS... I wonder if she came up with the idea for the houses before really establishing their history? [19:06] <nympheart> hi MrM [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> when one calls protective wards into being, the directions are used to do that [19:06] <Shard> Hi Mr McG [19:06] <harryfreak359> Hi MrM! [19:06] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! [19:06] * Pellinore waves at MrM [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> for such powerful magic, it is much better to have four than three [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> feeling better Mr M? [19:06] <cbm> I think she had it all along, the history of the houses [19:07] <Pellinore> could have been 7 houses.. now that woulda been chaotic ;o [19:07] * nympheart doesn't know where Prongs gets all of this information [19:07] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [19:07] <nympheart> hi carpe [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> lol Pell, longer Quidditch seaoson [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> hey CD [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> hello carpe [19:07] <Shard> PP is talking about the directions North, South, East and West [19:07] <fawkes28> but prongs, we have seen in two cases how the number 4 does not always work well [19:07] * ProngsPatronus has been studying the occult all her life [19:07] <CarpeDiem> Good Evening all! [19:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't think she did... she didn't mention them at ALL in book 1, did she? I think she needed it to explain the CoS [19:08] <Shard> There's alot about balance in the books and right now I think Hogwarts is in balance and not because of DD's death [19:08] <harryfreak359> Hi Carpe [19:08] <Pellinore> yea really DD, and why no alternate teams, preseason matches, best of 7 series, etc.? ;o [19:08] <Shard> hogwarts may not have been in balance since Sal left honestly [19:08] <harryfreak359> I agree Shard [19:08] <HeidiBug> agree [19:08] <fawkes28> but it really hasnt been, shard [19:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too shard [19:08] <ProngsPatronus> which cases, fawkes? [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Hogwarts in balance? [19:09] <Shard> Yes SG, United [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it has been unbalanced since SS left [19:09] <Shard> The Houses haven't been really united for a long time, possibly since Sal left [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> no--it is not in balance, and won't be until the onus of shame is taken from SS [19:09] <fawkes28> salazar and peter - both were part of a group of 4 - and it didnt work [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> and the breach is healed [19:09] <Pellinore> 4 makes it tough when it comes to making decisions as a group. a split occurs and 2 teams form or 1 ends up on the outside like SS. [19:09] <MrMcGonagall> It seems like it was a precarious balance even before he left. [19:09] <fawkes28> so they were down to three [19:09] <Shard> True MrMcG [19:09] <CarpeDiem> Good point Pellinore [19:09] <fawkes28> and the number three seems to work better - thus the relationship with the trio [19:10] <cbm> That is true, no balance due to the Slytherins, it seems like it is 3 to one now [19:10] <Shard> I think SS had issues that he couldn't deal or get over, his Pride wouldn't let him accept the other's differences [19:10] <nympheart> yes fawkes, geometry [19:10] <memyslfnI> the four elements relate to the four directions water is south, fire is north west is air and east is earth [19:10] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was a little more complicated than that [19:10] <Shard> Yes but the missing 4th did have impoortance, he had Cunning and Ambtion two things that are not inheritantly evil [19:11] <Aislinn> Do you feel there are any significant parallels between the 4 Founders and the 4 Marauders? [19:11] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, as long as they were not poaching students from each other, the partnership worked well [19:11] <cbm> no [19:11] <memyslfnI> I agree prongs [19:11] <Shard> I was thinking 4 founders and 4 heads but that's a good point., Peter was there SS [19:11] <MrMcGonagall> No, not really, other than the fact that one amongst them was a betrayer. [19:11] <nympheart> I never thought about that, but I guess [19:11]<memyslfnI> aislinn, I dont [19:11] <Pellinore> other then they both had a benadict arnold (no offense to our brits ;)) [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> hadn't thought of that [19:11] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do think there was a connection between the marauders and the founders [19:12] <nympheart> Remus was RR, Sirius HH, and James GG? [19:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't... I'm trying to categorize them, but Peter could go in Slytherin or Hufflepuff [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> I'd say Lupin for Hufflepuff [19:12] <memyslfnI> I don't see it.. [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> Sirius woulsd have been RR--Lupin, HH [19:12] <CarpeDiem> It seems there are a lot more differences than similarities between the Founders and Marauders.... [19:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I'd say lupin for ravenclaw... he seemed smart [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there are differences. The marauders defniltely had a traitor, but there is no evidence that SS betrayed anyone [19:12] <cbm> I can see Lupin as the ravenclaw and Peter as the snake, where would jame and sirius go [19:12] <nympheart> really? I'm thinking Sirius=dog=loyal [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> he seems more the peacemaker of the group, if you have to assign soething [19:13] <Poet> With 4, you could always try and line them up with the 4 of anything, but I think that's just fun compartmentalizing [19:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sirius would be slytherin - his family connections to it? [19:13] <MrMcGonagall> No, Sirius is too snarky. He'd have been a Ravenclaw. [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> see, that proves it nymph, they don't fit [19:13] <fawkes28> i think people just try to compare he two because of the number of their groups - and because one from each group left [19:13] <fawkes28> snarky, eh? [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> I think we could look at the group dynamics for clues [19:13] <Pellinore> Lupin seems smarter then Sirius so Ravenclaw, where as Peter is the traitor for Slytherin, and James is the Hero/Godric which leaves Sirius the Dogstar for Hufflepuff [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I see Lupin as the hufflepuff of the grou[ [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> *group [19:14] <CarpeDiem> Ah! I like that idea, Pellinore. Good connection. [19:14] <MrMcGonagall> Me too Sooner [19:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I would say Lupin for Ravenclaw, Peter for Hufflepuff, James for Godric and Sirius for Slytherin... makes it easier for me to see how great friends Slytherin and Gryffindor were [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> lol, me too Sooner [19:14] <HeidiBug> Peter = SS because he left the group for his own interests. James = Gryffindor . . . not sure about Remus and Sirius [19:14] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Sooner--Lupin is the egalitarian of the group [19:14] <Poet> Lupin = Hufflepuff, Sirius = Gyrffindor, Peter = Slytherin, James = Ravenclaw [19:15] <SoonerGryffindor> same here Poet [19:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, i think we've put everyone in each house [19:15] *** oomamalook has joined #lounge [19:15] <cbm> we can not agree, so I guess there is no symetry [19:15] <DumbleDebbie> hi oomamalook [19:15] <Pellinore> the reason i put Sirius in Hufflepuff is the line in the poem.... Hufflepuff will take whomever is left over. and Lupin seemed smarter / calmer / more reasoned then Sirius so Lupin would get the RR tag. [19:15] <hrh7> I agree cbm [19:15] <Shard> James ddn't seem Ravencalw to me [19:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree cbm [19:15] <Shard> Both Sirius and James are typical Gryffindors [19:15] <memyslfnI> just to back track a bit...I founFour has long been a number of completion, stability and predictability, as well as the representation of all earthly things... Look whaqt happens when the stability goes out of mack! slytherin leaves on a sour note and a basilisk is born and well, you know the rest [19:16] <Shard> Lupin to me seemed more RR [19:16] <memyslfnI> my typins skills stink LOL! [19:16] <ProngsPatronus> that is good, M--I liken four to the foundations of a house [19:16] <HeidiBug> Don't forget that James and Sirius were really really smart to figure out how to become animagi [19:16] <harryfreak359> lol so do mine memyslfnI! [19:16] <cbm> Since the sorting hat is never wrong, I think they are all in teh right place [19:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i do see the breaking up of friendship as a similarity [19:16] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, cbm, I just don't see any strong parallel. [19:17] <Shard> Are we doomned to a repeat of historical events? [19:17] <nympheart> I agree, cbm, but you don't often get perfect fits into houses, there's always a certain percent somewhere else [19:17] <cbm> but this was a fun exercise anyway [19:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but if the sorting hat listens to choices, couldn't they just all choose Gryffindor? [19:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> even if they belong elsewhere? [19:17] <ProngsPatronus> what is the question? [19:17] <Poet> No, they should all choose Hufflepuff for team work and hardwork [19:17] <Pellinore> well i'm talking about trying to match up the 4 to the founders not what house they belong in specifically. obviously they all went to Gryff and even Peter is supposed to show why he was put in Gryff at some point. [19:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't remember prongs lol [19:18] <Shard> I dont know Choco, Hermione seemed like either Ravencalw or Gryffindor would have been fine with her, to me the Hat choose for her [19:18] <HeidiBug> Do you think, considering that the founders were such good friends and then Slytherin split, that the marauders being such good friends and Peter splitting has an significance? -------------------- |
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[19:18] <Aislinn> Why did Jo use alliteration for all of the Founders’ names?
[19:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i wonder how many people choose? [19:18] <cbm> Look at malfoy, the hat barely touched his head [19:18] <hrh7> The sorting house listens, but seems to look for justification to agree to requests [19:18] <Poet> Easy to remember [19:18] <HeidiBug> cause it's fun [19:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree with poet [19:18] <nympheart> because alliteration is amazing [19:18] <Shard> What do you mean Aislinn? [19:18] <Pellinore> Alliteration is easier to remember [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> to make it easier for us to abbreviate? [19:18] <fawkes28> i love it - such a great teaching tool [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> because its sounds nice [19:18] <MrMcGonagall> Because alliteration is cool. [19:18] <CarpeDiem> Yep, it's very poetic...pleasing to the ear. [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> it certainly is a mnemonic device! [19:18] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [19:19] <MrMcGonagall> She does that with a lot of characters' names, in fact. [19:19] * Shard is stupid and doesnt know what Alliteration means [19:19] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:19] <nympheart> sounds like a legend [19:19] <Poet> I agree CarpeDiem [19:19] <cbm> I think she uses alliteration whereever possible [19:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she used a lot of things like that in the early books... professors with appropriate names (professor Sprout) books with authors that related to the subject matter [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> and it sounds trippingly on the tongue [19:19] <Pellinore> and she had to create poems with their named in the sorting hat so made that part of each book a little bit easier. [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> because that's how she rolls [19:19] <fawkes28> maybe it was easier for her to remember all of the names - she has so many characters [19:19] <nympheart> alliteration is repeating consonant sounds at the beginning of words, like rhyme backwards [19:19] <fawkes28> LOL [19:19] <Pellinore> hehe, Sooner ;o [19:19] <Poet> Also it made it easier on her young readers - to read as well as to enjoy the books [19:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha yeah fawkes, before she had the lexicon [19:20] <cbm> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=alliteration [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> besdides, having the snake person be SS is cool [19:20] <HeidiBug> Alitteration is using the same letter in consesion, Shard. Like, Salizar Slytherin. 2 S's [19:20] <DumbleDebbie> lol sooner [19:20] <Shard> She does use that alot [19:21] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [19:21] <Shard> Minerval McGonagal, Severus Snape, Filius Flitwick [19:21] <Poet> I like the idea that it made writing sorting hat songs easier. [19:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I personally believe that she was more lighthearted with the finer details before she had vast numbers of fans paying attention to them [19:21] <MrMcGonagall> Shard has it! [19:21] <Poet> boo - SS [19:21] <fawkes28> yes, shard - that is so interesting [19:21] *** bartycrouchjrrules left #lounge [] [19:21] <Pellinore> i like when one of the voice actors for the books on cd told JkR never to have someone speak in parsel tongue without any "S"s in the words. ;o [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> Poppy Pomfrey [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> lol Pell [19:22] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:22] <Aislinn> Salazar Slytherin created the Chamber of Secrets. Legend has it that he wanted to rid Hogwarts of mudbloods. How much of this legend do you think is true? [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> wb NYB [19:22] <memyslfnI> H (as in Helga Hufflepuff) stands for mercury [19:22] <cbm> All of it [19:22] <fawkes28> i dont not think this legend is true [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> seems pretty likely to me [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> History has been shown to invent itself [19:22] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's true, but I've heard a couple of different theories as to the reason for it. [19:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think history REPEATED itself [19:22] <nympheart> I think it's mostly true, I also think he wanted to get back at GG [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> I think that there are some elements of that which have been changed [19:22] <NYBookworm> I think it could be partially true he may have thought they were dangerous because of things like salem [19:22] <Pellinore> well we saw the CoS AND it had a basalisk in it so that part's proven. [19:22] <cbm> There was a basilisk down there after all [19:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think he did [19:23] <fawkes28> i think he was created it to protect the students at hogwarts given the time period and the witch hunts [19:23] <Pellinore> how it was to be used was hearsay passed down from person to person through the ages. [19:23] <HeidiBug> hmm . . . good point. He obviously created the Cos but maybe it wasn't to get rid of muggle borns [19:23] <Aislinn> I think that he saw the need for a separation of the two worlds - muggle and wizard [19:23] <ProngsPatronus> I think he was ahead of his time, SS [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that times were different back then [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think he foresaw all of the consequences of his actions and attitudes. [19:23] <Shard> I think with time legend can be twisted around, Sal certainly had a pureblood issue but I'm sorry he NEVER released the Basilisk and NEVER sent a desendant to do so, as far as we know Tom did it all on is own intiative [19:23] <memyslfnI> I agree PP [19:23] <memyslfnI> I read your wonderful essay! [19:24] <Shard> Sal may have rejected his former friends but as far as we know he did nothing to take the scool down [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> *blush* thanks [19:24] <cbm> Or maybe after he left, he never had the oppotunity to get back to the chamber [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> why wouldn't he? [19:24] <fawkes28> we just assume that salazar was evile because of tom riddle - we should not assume that [19:24] <Shard> Exaclty PP [19:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> a basilisk kills people just by LOOKING at them... i don't think he'd plant something there unless he meant for it to kill specific people, or groups of people [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> It is never said he was blocked from the school [19:24] <Pellinore> but SS made it so only a parsletongue could open the chamber. so there is that connection with his "line" if that ability is heriditary. [19:25] <MrMcGonagall> I can imagine that SS was so furious at the other founders that he did something he probably ought to have regretted. [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think taht he was wrong in the way that he solved the problem, but I can see why he maybe felt the need for it (not saying I support his POV) [19:25] <ProngsPatronus> it also speaks to his continued use of the chamber, too [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> man some people can't help cooking up excuses for the baddies! [19:25] <Shard> The problem is again that though he left that Basiliks there ti was never used and a desendant could have easly gone there and released it later [19:25] <Pellinore> it also made sure whoever opened the chamber would be able to control the "Weapon" contained there in. [19:25] <memyslfnI> if that is so, the goal of SS was also to propitaye ot foster the line so his true heir could eventually open the chamber [19:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha debbie [19:25] <CarpeDiem> lol DD [19:25] <Shard> Or he could have attacked them out right there and then [19:25] <nympheart> well, no one is all evil, Debbie [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> Voldy is [19:26] <memyslfnI> it would be important to have heirs [19:26] <Pellinore> LV is, testing 100% evil. [19:26] <nympheart> is not [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> I do not think GG would have been friends with someone who was evil [19:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe he sure is [19:26] <memyslfnI> I agree prongs [19:26] <nympheart> that's a different debate though [19:26] <Shard> I agree Prongs [19:26] <Aislinn> that's an interesting point prongs [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> I think SS was a good 75% evil. [19:26] <Shard> No one was frie3nds with Tom Riddle aka Voldemort [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> cunning and ambition are not evil in themselves [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that point Prongs [19:27] <nympheart> he didn't want them [19:27] <Shard> I can live with that Mr. Mcg [19:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Harry needs to start interrogating some REALLY old paintings in the castle to get the REAL story of the four founders!!! [19:27] <memyslfnI> that was his choice shard [19:27] <harryfreak359> Good point Prongs [19:27] <HeidiBug> lol [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> and--JKR has said no one was born evil [19:27] <Shard> And it was SS's choice to be friends with GG [19:27] <Pellinore> GG was friends with SSlytherin. we don't know if SS was totaly evil at the end but I find it hard to believe the 3 other amazing founders didn't pick up on that earlier. [19:27] <MrMcGonagall> I agree chocolate [19:27] <cbm> I do not think SS was ALL evil,but I think that he was passionate about mugleborns [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder if their portraits are somewhere in the school [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> the sorting hat never called SS evil [19:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Do you think the founders have portraits? [19:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> DANGIT DEBBIE [19:27] <Aislinn> I think that notions of tolerance and crossing societal lines were very different back then than they are now [19:27] <Aislinn> that does not make SS evil, just a man of his time [19:27] <CarpeDiem> No one picked up on Tom though, did they? [19:28] <memyslfnI> if muggles were persecuting witches, he might have been justified [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> lol chocolate [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks Aislinn, that is exactly how I feel [19:28] <fawkes28> exactly, aislinn - two differnet worlds [19:28] <Pellinore> hehe Choco.. she does that to me to ;) [19:28] <cbm> maybe aportrait is how Riddle found the chamber [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think the reason that DD brought Tom to school was the danger he posed to the Muggle universe [19:28] <hrh7> DD did, CD [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> oh good call cbm [19:28] <MrMcGonagall> But at any rate, he did conceal a hideous, deadly monster in the Chamber. [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> if he had not been trained or recognised, what then? [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> but only if you knew how to get to it [19:28] * Pellinore pours molassas on DumbleDebbie's keyboard ;o [19:28] <memyslfnI> PP, if he was in the book, wasn't he obigated to bring him? [19:29] <Aislinn> a little insurance, Mr M [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> lol Pell [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> yum! [19:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe pellinore [19:29] <Pellinore> doh! [19:29] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think that once DD saw him, it became critical [19:29] <Aislinn> Did Salazar ever practice the Dark Arts? [19:29] <memyslfnI> good point! PP! [19:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yes - the basilisk [19:29] <Pellinore> I would assume so [19:29] <Shard> Perhaps he did [19:29] <nympheart> I think so [19:29] <ProngsPatronus> he may have done [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> I think the basalisk says yes [19:29] <MrMcGonagall> I think he was probably more knowledgable than most. [19:29] <ProngsPatronus> so might any of the others [19:29] <Shard> So the poor Basilisk is evill too now? [19:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> a dark creature at the very least [19:29] <cbm> We do not know, unless the basilisk is a dark art [19:30] <nympheart> but he wasn't so into it that he made Horcruxes [19:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha shard! [19:30] <fawkes28> i think given the time he was living in - he did [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> there is a dark side to all the other houses [19:30] <Pellinore> SS probably taught DA [19:30] <Poet> There may have not been as much differentiation between dark and light then - many of the spells and curses may not have been created yet [19:30] <memyslfnI> I think he felt it was a necessity, the witches of the age , he thought were in danger of becoming a dying breed [19:30] <CarpeDiem> There may not have been a clear distinction at that point in history. [19:30] <cbm> The basilisk is an unnatural creature, so I think it is evil [19:30] <nympheart> animals can't be evil at all, only people [19:30] <Shard> That poor thing is trapped in a wet cold and dark cave for over a thousand years and it's only crime is to be lead around by that Tom Riddle punk [19:30] <Pellinore> True Poet but at some point you've got to know that a Crucio is bad and a cheering charm is good [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> hippogryphs are unnatural, too [19:31] <Aislinn> Besides the Chamber of Secrets, do the other Founders have hidden chambers or secret places inside of Hogwarts? [19:31] <memyslfnI> I don't think so [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> not in Hogwarts... [19:31] <nympheart> maybe, but I doubt it [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> I think there may be a crypt under Hogwarts [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> elsewhere... yes [19:31] <HeidiBug> That would be cool [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> well, there is the RoR [19:31] <fawkes28> i think one of them has to have something secret there [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> where at least some of them are buried [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> and the Forbidden Forest [19:31] <nympheart> we don't know of any need that they would have made any [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *deathly hallows*cough* [19:31] <cbm> no, but it would be cool [19:31] <MrMcGonagall> I think in some ways, yes. I think that each of them was responsible for creating certain rooms. [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> exactly choco [19:31] <HeidiBug> Maybe the RoR is Ravenclaw's place [19:31] <memyslfnI> the might have shrines of some sort, where they are buried [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha it's not my theory, but i know a lot of people have that one [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> I believe it is, HB [19:32] <fawkes28> i am sure the rest of them dont have something as huge as the chamber [19:32] <Aislinn> yes, heidi - I think it is hers [19:32] * nympheart hands chocolateisnotforbreakfast a glass of water [19:32] <CarpeDiem> I think they had their own retreats or houses...I'm not sure if they would have needed to have been "secret" though. I think SS hid his because of its "sensitive" nature. [19:32] <Shard> ./.I agree that RR made the RoR [19:32] <fawkes28> but perhaps a little room here or there [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> yes choco, it's one of many possibilities [19:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ohh, I agree with heidi [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Makes you wonder if GG or HH have their own secret places [19:32] <MrMcGonagall> I think the Head's Office was Gryffindor's creation, the RoR Ravenclaw's, the Kitchen Hufflepuff's. [19:32] <memyslfnI> godric had his study, which is now DD's office...I wonder if there are other rooms like that? [19:32] * ProngsPatronus thinks that nympheart has watched like water for chocolate [19:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that is totally something she'd do [19:32] <Pellinore> It wouldn't supprise me if there's a secret study in the library, secret pathways / caves near the greenhouses and possibly some other room the ROR hasn't connected to yet. [19:32] <memyslfnI> devoted to the founders [19:32] <Shard> GG has Godrics Hollow [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> yay for the kitchen! [19:32] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M [19:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe all the secret tunnels out of hogwarts belonged to Helga [19:32] <fawkes28> i can definitely see GG having one - or at least a secret compartment [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe HH made the secret tunnels going to Hogsmeade [19:33] <Aislinn> with the Griffin outside the stair, I think the Headmaster's room was Godric's creation [19:33] <CarpeDiem> Ah choco, the badger! [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> beat ya sooner! [19:33] <memyslfnI> yess, Aislinn! [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> lol [19:33] <Shard> Good point Aislinn [19:33] <fawkes28> when they were all fighting and disagreeing, maybe each of them decided to hide that which was most important to them [19:33] <memyslfnI> the door knockers too were like gryffins I believe [19:33] *** lexie_155 has joined #lounge [19:33] <Pellinore> I always wondered if Helga may have had a sweettooth for that candy store... or what was that store before it was turned into a candy store? [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> hi lexie [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha pellinore [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think special rooms created by the other founders would logically be close to the their respective common rooms. [19:33] <Aislinn> yes M, I think so [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> or have places that were theirs only, to cool off [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Mr M [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe Helga was a werewolf! [19:34] <memyslfnI> yes, PP [19:34] <HeidiBug> why? [19:34] <Poet> I had the impression that a lot of Hogsmead was created around the time of the goblin wars [19:34] * DumbleDebbie imagines Salazar chilling with the basalisk [19:34] <Pellinore> true MrM but if Helga's included special plants i'd see it close to the greenhouses. [19:34] <Shard> lol DD [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe dd [19:34] <Aislinn> ?? chocolate? [19:34] <Pellinore> and Rowena's might be next to the library she helped found etc. [19:34] *** lexie_155 has quit [Bye] [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> or the Forbidden Forest itself [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> I think that was HH's safehouse [19:34] <HeidiBug> Think SS raised the Basalisk? [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ahhh, i was just thinking about the shreiking shack and the tunnels [19:35] <memyslfnI> I imagine Rowena's up neat the astronomy tower, the one that is off limits (air) [19:35] <fawkes28> that is interesting, prongs [19:35] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> hi tanaqui [19:35] <fawkes28> hi tanaqui [19:35] <nympheart> hi tanaqui [19:35] <Tanaqui> greetings everyone [19:35] <cbm> I think he raised it [19:35] <Aislinn> yes, I kind of thing the Forbidden Forest is Hufflepuff's - goes along with the earth connection [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> hey, tanaqui [19:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's a good call [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> the shack was not in place until Lupin came to Hogwarts [19:35] <Aislinn> hi tanaqui [19:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> about the forest [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> and the herbal one, too [19:36] <Shard> How does one wisper in this chat? [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> well, the RoR is on the seventh floor [19:36] <Aislinn> What would any of the Founders have to hide? [19:36] <Pellinore> the shack itself wasn't there? i thought only the womping willow wasn't there... maybe the tunnel [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> its not very likely that the tunnel was made by a founder [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha i was just trying to be funny, folks [19:36] <HeidiBug> What do you think RR would have use the RoR for? [19:36] <memyslfnI> could it be like a safe house? In case of disaster? [19:36] <Shard> I agree SG since the Shack and Whoomping Willow were placed there in Lupins time [19:36] <Pellinore> Wizards are used to hiding from Muggles. I can understand them wanting to keep somethings private and secure. [1936] <memyslfnI> save the fouders! [19:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> brb [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> well, the RoR is password rpotected, in a sense [19:37] <cbm> no idea [19:37] <nympheart> I think RR would have some secrets, as to what, I have no idea [19:37] <fawkes28> perhaps a tiara [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well,,, a big giant snake comes to mind [19:37] <HeidiBug> think she'd hide something in there? [19:37] <memyslfnI> perhaps a wand! [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> one has to know the right question to find someone else in there--Harry couldn't do it when he wanted to know what Malfoy was doing [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> well, we kow one hid a big snake monster [19:37] <HeidiBug> Some sort of object? [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> Toss it in the punch bowl, fawkes. [19:37] <Poet> A giant rolling skating rink or a minibar? [19:37] <fawkes28> lol [19:37] <nympheart> I wonder where the quintaped came from? [19:38] <Pellinore> a killer plant maybe? ;o... under a trapdoor by a 3 headed dog... [19:38] <Shard> Yeah Devil Snare [19:38] <Aislinn> Is there any other reason that Salazar ended his friendship with the other Founders? [19:38] *** Batman has joined #lounge [19:38] <Shard> Probqbly aislinn but we may never know [19:38] <fawkes28> yes, i think there was [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> I don't know that he did--all we know is that he left the school [19:38] <Poet> He got married and was busy with his family? [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> hi batman [19:38] <Batman> hi [19:38] <nympheart> ambition, he may have thought he was destined for better things beyond them [19:38] <HeidiBug> hi [19:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> back-aroni and cheese [19:39] <cbm> It was a pretty big arguement that went straight their base beliefs [19:39] <Batman> something to do with ravenclaw [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that the reason we heard is probalby the real reason, but it was 1000 years ago, so who knows? [19:39] <memyslfnI> I always thght that his goal to keep the line pure is the reason for the rift. He could only be assured this if he seperated [19:39] <fawkes28> i think they disagreed on the ways to protect the school and its students [19:39] <Aislinn> didn't the hat song indicate a falling out? [19:39] <Batman> 1000 years is a long time things get twiste [19:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree with sooner [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> I see Salazar as the kind who would be pretty peeved about not getting his own way about something he considered important. [19:39] <Shard> a 1000 years can really umuddy up what was the truth but I think we do have the right idea of what happened [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> the Hat said that they all four fought--not just SS and GG [19:39] <Shard> Your right Mr M [19:39] <memyslfnI> the hat speaks the truth [19:39] <HeidiBug> did it? [19:40] <cbm> so that may be all that was needed, it was over how to run the thing he created [19:40] <Batman> thats true [19:40] <Shard> Friend on Friend [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that their goals changed [19:40] <memyslfnI> it does not embellish [19:40] <HeidiBug> I don't remember it saying that they all fought [19:40] <CarpeDiem> His belief in magic residing in pure bloods only must have been strong enough for him to give up friendship and cooperation with the other houses. [19:40] <Poet> Maybe they fought over one particular student - Gryffindor wanted to let a student come to Hogwarts, but SS thought it wasn't safe due to that students' connection to certain muggle wizard-haters [19:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it just says that SS left after he and GG had a fight about the students [19:40] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [19:40] <Pellinore> may have been another LV in temperment but we don't really know if SS was that evil or just had a different outlook. granted the basalik is hard to explain away.. unless its the worlds greatest sewer cleaner..... only a basalisk can kill the Pipeclogerzilla! ;o [19:40] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:40] <fawkes28> i know they argued about allowing muggle borns to come in but GG and SS where such good friends - i would think it would have to be bigger for them to part ways [19:40] <Batman> rememver that half bloods are in slytherine too [19:40] <Shard> Do you tihnk Jo will answer any of these questinos about the Founders>? [19:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha pellinore [19:40] <Batman> if asked [19:41] <Tanaqui> well, people can get in a tiff over nothing and let it grow into something huge [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> hope so Shard [19:41] <Batman> ya [19:41] <Shard> Thats true Tanaqui [19:41] <Tanaqui> so it could be that small, fawkes [19:41] <Shard> I hope she does, she does have her site up for that use [19:41] <cbm> I think that is a big thing to argue about [19:42] <HeidiBug> I'm sure Jo will answer every question we've got after book 7 is released [19:42] <MrMcGonagall> I think there must have been a whole host of issues of which Muggleborns was only one. [19:42] <memyslfnI> she said there will still be stuff to debate [19:42] <nympheart> I don't think every question... [19:42] <Batman> i dont think that it had to do with excepting only pure bloods though, because syltherin has halfbloods in it to [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> maybe that was just the last straw Mr M? [19:42] <Tanaqui> i wonder if it was higher ambition on his part--perhaps he felt 'stuck' at the school [19:42] <memyslfnI> lets hope the good quesstions will be answered! [19:42] <cbm> she could be answering questions for years [19:42] <Shard> I think Jo will love to see us squirm over some of these details [19:42] <Aislinn> What do you think Slytherin did when he left Hogwarts? [19:42] <memyslfnI> went to albania [19:42] <HeidiBug> Yeah, Snape was a half blood [19:42] <Batman> lol [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> I get the feeling he was up to no good [19:43] <Tanaqui> perhaps wrote a book [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> Interesting thought, memyselfnI [19:43] <cbm> started durmstrang? [19:43] <nympheart> worked on inventing magic, possibly Dark [19:43] <NYBookworm> Maybe set up a probgram for purebloods to study dark arts? [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, could be cbm [19:43] <Batman> thats really interesting [19:43] <Batman> maybe [19:43] <HeidiBug> settled down [19:43] <memyslfnI> an albanian custom was to nail a snake to the door.. [19:43] <memyslfnI> we see this in HBP [19:43] <Pellinore> every question? she'd be answering innane questions the rest of her life.... exactly how old was the basalisk.. did it have an ipod or blackberry whlie down in the sewers... did it stay in contact with the LonlyBasiliskForum group.. how many friends did it have.. what was its... [19:43] <nympheart> lol, Pell [19:43] <HeidiBug> lol [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> So Hogwarts worked in harmony [19:44] <fawkes28> i wonder what he could possibly do when he left [19:44] <CarpeDiem> We know he at least started a family, correct? [19:44] <cbm> agreed peli [19:44] <memyslfnI> a family of inbreds [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> went off to go make his evil overlord plans [19:44] <HeidiBug> right [19:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> perhaps he had a business opportunity? [19:44] <fawkes28> but we dont know if that was before or after, carpe [19:44] <nympheart> yes, carpe, but that may have overlapped his teaching [19:44] <fawkes28> or during [19:44] <Batman> hes not evil [19:44] <Aislinn> true carpe [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> or sowed his wild oats CD [19:44] <Shard> SG: What plans? [19:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> with higher society... [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea Shard [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> I think he used his cunning and ambition to retain power in the WW [19:44] <Shard> If he had any they didn't come to much in the end [19:44] <Pellinore> probably started a match making service for Inbreeds 'R' Us. [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> and in the MW [19:44] <Tanaqui> mmmm...i think he'd be legit, not sowing wild oats...he'd want his heirs to be perfect and sure they were his heirs [19:44] <Batman> he probably spent his life in hargrids cabin with a cat [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> step 1: inbreed [19:44] <memyslfnI> to be sure of keeping the parcel tounge in the line they only married slytherins [19:45] <Batman> eww [19:45] <Aislinn> Dumbledore was very involved in the wizarding world while he was Headmaster at Hogwarts. Do you think this was true of the Founders? If so, what do you think they did? [19:45] <Shard> Enough with the inbred jokes [19:45] <memyslfnI> so one day it could open the chamber [19:45] <CarpeDiem> lol DD!! [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> that may have nothing to do with SS, though, M [19:45] <nympheart> I think so [19:45] <HeidiBug> plotted to take over the ministry? [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> that could have been a later development [19:45] <fawkes28> i think this was probably true [19:45] *** oomamalook has quit [Bye] [19:45] <memyslfnI> true, PP [19:45] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [19:45] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:45] <hrh7> Are any of the founders on cards? We would know more about them if they were. They were supposed to be great wizards and witches, so shouldn't they be? [19:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> did the ministry exist? [19:45] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [19:46] <cbm> They probably advisors [19:46] <Shard> I think all of the Founders where active in the WW, hence why they are the Founders they wished to give back to the community [19:46] <HeidiBug> I don't know [19:46] <Shard> No [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> I think the Founders were the "princes" of the WW--so, yes, I think they were involved a great deal [19:46] <Shard> The Minsitry didn't come up until later, [19:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> perhaps Hogwarts became like the ministry... [19:46] <Batman> was there even a seperat wizarding world? [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1092752 [19:46] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [19:46] * HeidiBug runs off to check lexicon [19:46] <fawkes28> because the founders are "doers" and i cant picture them only teaching - i picture them doing things like DD did [19:46] <Pellinore> The founders would have to be very involed with the wizarding community.. good grief they are asking the Community to send their children to a new school. Nothing's more important to a community then their kids and how they are being brought up. [19:46] <Batman> yeah me to [19:47] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, fawkes. [19:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they'd need to raise awareness about the school [19:47] *** oomamalook has joined #lounge [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I would also like to remind people that we have a thread in the Corner Booth to drop in your own questions for an upcoming topic here [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1079795 [19:47] <Shard> I think Pell they must have been famous amongst the commuintiy to get such trust of the children [19:47] <Pellinore> Thanks Sooner [19:47] <Batman> i have a feeling that gryfindor was more like a headmaster though [19:47] <HeidiBug> Yeah, the founders are on the Wizard Cards [19:47] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [19:47] <memyslfnI> the wizards council proceded the Mom ..began in 1269 [19:47] <Tanaqui> well, the wizard's council was before the ministry and was roughly 1260s [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Our next chat on sunday is going to be How Will Voldemort be Defeated? [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> I think he eventually became headmaster [19:48] <Tanaqui> lol -- jinx memyselfni! [19:48] <Shard> I dont' think there was a Headmnaster at the time, I think they all four ruled equally and thats where the division came from [19:48] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [19:48] <memyslfnI> lol tanaqui! [19:48] <hrh7> Thanks HeidiBug [19:48] <Aislinn> About the Four Founders, Jo has said, “I wanted them to correspond roughly to the four elements. So Gryffindor is fire, Ravenclaw is air, Hufflepuff is earth, and Slytherin is water, hence the fact that their common room is under the lake.” How have we see the connection to these for elements in the series? [19:48] <Shard> Oh Sooner did you ever do that poll? [19:48] <Pellinore> Yes, but fame only gets you so far.. parent / teacher meetings in a new school with many unknowns would take a lot of work. [19:48] <HeidiBug> Hufflepuff's card says that she brought people from different walks of life together to help build Hogwarts [19:48] <Poet> Location of the common rooms [19:48] <nympheart> their mascots [19:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the animals [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> wow--what a queastion for the last 15 minutes! [19:49] <Poet> G and R have their houses located in towers [19:49] <Shard> I always suspected that there was elemtents and found it refreshing that Slytherin was Water [19:49] <CarpeDiem> The colors of their houses as well [19:49] <oomamalook> I don't feel like the books really explore enough about Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff.... [19:49] <memyslfnI> I will say that Jo mixes up the elements up traditionally a bit! [19:49] <HeidiBug> The head of Hufflepuff, Sprout, is the Herbology teacher. So . . . Hufflepuff = earth [19:49] <Batman> they dont [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> Also.... we wanted to let you guys know that we are hosting the lounge-wide event this Saturday, so make sure that you stop by for the fun. [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> I think there are a lot of connections [19:49] <oomamalook> shows here how we are discussing mostly Slytherin and Griffindor [19:49] <MrMcGonagall> DD has a phoenix, which is associated with fire. [19:49] <Batman> how'd joe mess up [19:49] <memyslfnI> jo does that on porpouse I think1 [19:49] <fawkes28> i think we definitely see it when we see the basilisk use the pipes to get around - which connects to his element - water [19:49] <Shard> I think we will learn more about the last two houses in the alst book [19:49] <Tanaqui> i can see hufflepuff's the easiest--they're dependable, like the earth [19:50] <Pellinore> Lounge-wide? sounds like a pull out couch [19:50] <fawkes28> good point, mr. m [19:50] <Shard> Ravenclaw is air [19:50] <Aislinn> that's a good one, fawkes [19:50] <Batman> it a bird [19:50] <Pellinore> or Glasses ;) [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> If I remember correctly, the Ravenclaw common room is in one of the towers [19:50] <Shard> Yes but Pheonixes are of fire [19:50] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs [19:50] <nympheart> yup, Prongs [19:50] <Batman> yeah it is [19:50] <Pellinore> correct PP [19:50] <Poet> The founder objects that Voldemort wanted to make into horcruxes are also similar to the four elements [19:50] <oomamalook> it turns into ashes - earth [19:51] <Poet> Thus the hallows [19:51] <Pellinore> it burns into ashes - fire ;) [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> a locket? [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> doesn't seem to fit [19:51] *** bartycrouchjrrules has joined #lounge [19:51] <MrMcGonagall> Even the characteristics of each house suggest those different elements. [19:51] <HeidiBug> the locket was surrounded by water [19:51] <Batman> good point [19:51] <nympheart> true MrM [19:51] <Tanaqui> i think i can see slytherins as well--water can be very forceful and carve new ways--slytherins are... determined to get what they want [19:52] <Batman> so will godricd's be in a volcano or sumthing [19:52] <Aislinn> cool intellect - air [19:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> eh... that's a weak connection, in my opinion... that's not the horcrux, it's the defense [19:52] <nympheart> creativity and intelligence=head in the clouds [19:52] <Shard> Water in Potions [19:52] <Aislinn> passionate bravery - fire [19:52] <HeidiBug> I tried [19:52] <oomamalook> since those are the elements of the astrological signs, I wonder if they are sorted into houses by their birth signs? [19:52] <Batman> no [19:52] <Tanaqui> fire is often cleansing--does that fit at all? [19:52] <MrMcGonagall> Fiery courage, down-to-earth, airy intelligence, subtle power (water). [19:52] <Shard> I agree Mr M [19:52] <HeidiBug> Slytherins are cuning and slippery, like water [19:52] <Poet> Hufflepuff - hardworking and inclusive - down to earth and grounded [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think that the subjects the four founders taught themselves is reflected in the subject the heads of the houses tach today [19:52] <Aislinn> going with the flow, so to speak [19:53] <fawkes28> interesting, heidi [19:53] <HeidiBug> And the Hufflepuffs are down to earth people [19:53] <fawkes28> lol aislinn [19:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> mrm knows what's going down [19:53] <fawkes28> testing [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [19:54] <nympheart> we see you fawkes [19:54] <Pellinore> nice post MrM [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> still here [19:54] <fawkes28> [19:54] <Aislinn> Three of the four Founders have metals as one of their colors: Gryffindor – gold; Ravenclaw – bronze; Slytherin – silver. The only one who does not have a metal is Helga Hufflepuff. Is their any significance to using metals as colors? Why did Jo only choose three metals instead of four? [19:54] <Pellinore> they may also equate to the 4 deathly hallows / arthurian legend items [19:54] <Shard> Helga didn't care for Ranks? [19:54] <Batman> they'er colors [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because she established the colors before thinking about the founders [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> :-P [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> I have always wondered why she didn't use copper for HH [19:55] <HeidiBug> Helga was happy either way. It wasn't a contest [19:55] <Tanaqui> and hufflepuff is earth...hmmm..... [19:55] <nympheart> bravery is what she admires most, so Gryffindor ranks first in her mind [19:55] <Batman> there cool ways to say white, yellow adn brown [19:55] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know. Is there another precious or semi-precious metal she might have used? [19:55] <NYBookworm> maybe becasue hufflepuff is more concerned with fairness than competeion? [19:55] <harryfreak359> there are some metals that are left [19:55] <Shard> I agree Sharon [19:55] <nympheart> Gryffindor and Slytherin are the opposing forces so Slytherin's second [19:55] *** memyslfnI has quit [Bye] [19:55] <Tanaqui> i like the copper idea [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> she could have used copper, pewter, electrum... [19:55] *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge [19:55] <Batman> also gold was already taken [19:56] <memyslfnI> oops [19:56] <fawkes28> i dont know why she would create 3 of them with metals and not the fourth [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> I could see Huffelpuff as iron. [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> there are more than just silver gold and bronze [19:56] <HeidiBug> is there a black metal? [19:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think she was just describing the colors as metals [19:56] <Pellinore> interesting question. metals are very hard colors to reproduce.. they are actually a combination of other base colors plus a shean / satin gloss to give it that metalic style [19:56] <Batman> i still say there is no reason [19:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but not actual metals [19:56] <oomamalook> Harry born in August? a Leo? fire sign.... [19:56] <Batman> she just liked the color [19:56] <fawkes28> why is hufflepuff not a metal? [19:56] <Aislinn> People often associate meaning with colors. What do you think the significance of red and gold are for Godric Gryffindor? [19:56] <CarpeDiem> Perhaps it's just another way of uniting them. Precious metals are found in the earth. [19:56] <nympheart> it's firey [19:56] <Shard> Red is passion, energe [19:56] <Pellinore> Iron is good for an earth metal [19:56] <Poet> Red and gold seems very traditional. Gold is a very warm metal color [19:56] <Batman> there my school color! [19:56] <Shard> Gold is pride [19:56] <fawkes28> i love how Fawkes has the colors of GG [19:57] <HeidiBug> red and gold makes you think of something regal and honest and true and brave [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> red and gold are fire colours [19:57] <Batman> red is fire [19:57] <Pellinore> bronze is a combination metal i think.. looking it up. [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> yes, it is [19:57] <Batman> it is [19:57] <nympheart> bronze isn't an element [19:57] <Tanaqui> yes, heidibug, and it fits with a lion standard [19:57] <Batman> nope [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> copper is, though [19:57] <HeidiBug> exactly [19:57] <Batman> yep [19:57] <oomamalook> Leo - lion [19:57] <Aislinn> The colors that represent Salazar Slytherin are green and silver. Do these colors hold any significance for Slytherin? [19:57] <Pellinore> bronze = copper + tin + a few other items to [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> as is tin [19:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think slytherin's snakieness had to be green, and the opposite of green is red [19:57] <CarpeDiem> Thanks pellinore [19:58] <harryfreak359> I think the green represents the snake for sure [19:58] <Batman> thats cool [19:58] <nympheart> green is often rebirth, so I think opposite is the key [19:58] <HeidiBug> silver and green fit with the snake image, cool and slippery [19:58] <Poet> Green is the other water color - besides blue [19:58] <Pellinore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> water is cool--and still water can be seen as green [19:58] <Batman> silver is like water [19:58] <Batman> kinda [19:58] <Tanaqui> they're kinda cold and ruthless, but sometimes very beautiful [19:58] <oomamalook> silver could be considered "opposite" of gold... [19:58] <Pellinore> yea and Quicksilver flows like water (mercury) [19:58] <Tanaqui> i mean, i prefer silver to gold in general [19:58] <CarpeDiem> Good point oomamalook [19:58] <nympheart> very true omama [19:58] <fawkes28> see - with green i think of a peaceful - i dont associate evil with it - which tells me that salazar was not evile like we think he was [19:58] <Aislinn> good point pell [19:58] <nympheart> me too tanaqui [19:58] <oomamalook> green w/ envy [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> gold is usually associated with the sun--silver with the moon [19:58] <Poet> Green and red are important colors set against each other [19:58] <memyslfnI> one of the elemets is related to wood. I cant remember witch [19:58] <HeidiBug>  [19:58] <Aislinn> Ravenclaw’s colors are blue and bronze while Hufflepuff’s colors are yellow and black. Do you see any significance in these colors and how they relate to the series? [19:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think it's interesting that the primary colors are Red, Blue, Yellow... and the outcast is Green [19:59] <Tanaqui> right--you said that well fawkes [19:59] <Batman> silver is often assosiated with evil [19:59] <Batman> blue is air [19:59] <HeidiBug> their exact opposites [19:59] <nympheart> blue is intelligence [19:59] <oomamalook> how batman? [19:59] <fawkes28> i like that idea, chocolate [19:59] <MrMcGonagall> I love sunshiny yellow. Very cheerful and Hufflepuffy. [19:59] <Batman> how blure is air [19:59] <Pellinore> quicksilver is also very poisonous and caused mental illness (mad hatter came from people making hats by drowning wool hats in Mercury to shape them and going slowly crazy) [19:59] <nympheart> yellow is usally insanity... [19:59] <HeidiBug> strange their opposites [19:59] <Shard> Hufflepuff rocks [20:00] <Tanaqui> yellow and black make me think of a bee...a hardworker [20:00] <oomamalook> no - when is silver assoc w/evil? [20:00] <harryfreak359> yeah I often think of a bee as well [20:00] <Aislinn> yes, tanaqui - that's what it makes me think of as well [20:00] <nympheart> silver is said to be the metal of the devil, oomama [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> silver is used, along with iron, to ward folks from evil [20:00] <Batman> in most the fanstisy novels i read it's usally silver and black [20:00] <Batman> the color silver not the metal [20:00] <fawkes28> me too, tanaqui [20:00] <HeidiBug> which fantasy novels? [20:01] <Shard> Wheel of time for one comes to mind Hedi [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> badgers are considered to be powerful totems for healers, too [20:01] <memyslfnI> actually, green is air traditionally. [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> they are the Keeper of the Roots [20:01] <CarpeDiem> Black is also the combination of all colors...Hufflepuff works well with everyone. A buffer of sorts. [20:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> silver = night, moon, darkness, scary... gold = sunshine, day, not scary [20:01] <Aislinn> What is the strongest legacy you feel these Founders left behind? [20:01] <Batman> how is green air [20:01] <HeidiBug> I don't see green as air [20:01] <Shard> I thought Green was Earth tradiionaly? [20:01] <oomamalook> I like the idea of red and gold being "opposite" of green and silver [20:01] <Shard> Hogwarts istelf [20:01] <nympheart> Hogwarts itself [20:01] <hrh7> Agree [20:02] <fawkes28> yes, i agree with hogwarts [20:02] <Tanaqui> blue and bronze...blue and bronze....perhaps professor-like robes [20:02] <memyslfnI> pM me and I will email you a chart on the elements [20:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> IDOL TIME, PEEPS! [20:02] <Pellinore> yea green was associated with air due to Pollen being left by wind a long time ago.. pollen shows up as green often in large amount even though its yellow. [20:02] <HeidiBug> blue and bronze are opposite of yellow and black too [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Nymph. [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> on a colour wheel, red is opposite of green, and yello9w with black [20:02] *** bartycrouchjrrules has quit [Bye] [20:02] <CarpeDiem> I think Hogwarts is a wonderful legacy. [20:02] <memyslfnI> there is also the whole hot and cold wet and dry aspect of the elements as well [20:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> black isn't on a colr wheel [20:02] <HeidiBug> but green isn't representing the air, it's representing what's IN the air [20:02] <Tanaqui> besides hogwarts and the sorting hat, i think the idea of all types of wizards working together [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> Hogwarts, and a tradition of scholarship [20:03] <Tanaqui> even though slytherins have the toughest time with that [20:03] <oomamalook> yeah, blue and orange are opposite on the color wheel - I guess orange could pass for bronze [20:03] <fawkes28> yes, PP [20:03] <Aislinn> OK, folks, we've run out of time - this was a great chat! [20:03] <Pellinore> True Heidi but that's not what early scientists realised yet. [20:03] <CarpeDiem> Chocolate, black is what you get when you combine all colors...it should be in the center of the color wheel [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> nooooooooo [20:03] <fawkes28> thanks for coming! -------------------- |
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