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Aislinn Expelliarmas fawkes28 futureweasley Mr. McGonagall Poet SoonerGryffindor [18:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [18:59] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [18:59] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [19:00] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [19:00] <futureweasley> hi Joy! [19:00] <Joyhawk2121> Hi everyone [19:00] <Aislinn> Hi smile [19:01] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:01] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:01] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [19:01] <Poet> hi joy and prongs [19:01] <ProngsPatronus> what's the topic tonight? [19:01] <futureweasley> hey Prongs! How's the RG treating you? [19:02] <futureweasley> "What's In A Name" [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> so far, so good [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> lurking, mostly [19:02] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> heyhey, sooner! [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Hey everyone! [19:02] *** bubblehead has joined #lounge [19:03] <Joyhawk2121> hi Sooner [19:03] <bubblehead> hello [19:03] *** matilda has joined #lounge [19:03] <futureweasley> hi bubblehead [19:03] <futureweasley> hey matilda [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> lol [19:03] <fawkes28> hello everyone smile [19:03] <Poet> hello [19:04] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:04] <NYBookworm> hi [19:04] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:04] <Poet> Hi [19:04] <futureweasley> hi guys! [19:04] <bubblehead> I had to write a paper for English last year with that exact same topic [19:04] <fawkes28> how did it go bubblehead? [19:05] <bubblehead> it was probaly the worst paper i've ever written [19:05] <ProngsPatronus> lol [19:05] <Poet> oh no [19:05] <futureweasley> lol, I feel that way about every paper I write, bubblehead [19:05] <futureweasley> no worries, likely it's brilliant [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> exactly how I feel when I write [19:06] <Poet> Everything I write is rubbish [19:06] <Punky> Me too, it's the curse of paper writing [19:06] <bubblehead> we had to describe how we actually fit/didn't fit our names. it was soooo bad [19:07] <futureweasley> Punky, kindly change your color. laugh [19:07] <fawkes28> oh - i enjoy studying about my name and what it means [19:07] <fawkes28> future! play nicely [19:07] <Punky> ....Do I have to? [19:07] <futureweasley> lol, I am...she knows I'm kidding [19:08] <fawkes28> no, i like you in purple [19:08] *** matilda has quit [Bye] [19:08] <Punky> :) [19:08] <fawkes28> pink is off limits of course laugh [19:08] <Punky> Naturally, I like me in purple too [19:08] <futureweasley> I love you guys, so I will refrain from comment [19:08] *** artlady has joined #lounge [19:08] <futureweasley> Hi Artlady [19:08] *** artlady has quit [Bye] [19:08] <bubblehead> well she was quick to bail [19:09] <futureweasley> lol, sometimes people have technical difficulties [19:09] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [19:09] <fawkes28> hi artlady smile [19:09] <futureweasley> bubblehead, are you in the RG's? [19:09] <fawkes28> hi nymph [19:09] <futureweasley> hi nympheart [19:09] <nympheart> hello all [19:09] <Joyhawk2121> hi nymph [19:10] <bubblehead> err the RG's? sorry I'm not on the up-and-up. what's that? [19:10] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:10] <nympheart> hi expie [19:10] <futureweasley> the RG = Reading Groups [19:10] <Joyhawk2121> hi Expe [19:10] <Expelliarmas> heya peeps! [19:10] <futureweasley> we just started Order of the Phoenix this week...they are pretty fun [19:11] <bubblehead> oh. yea [19:11] <bubblehead> I haven't really participated yet though [19:11] <fawkes28> yes, they are a good time [19:11] <futureweasley> do you know which room you are in? [19:11] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:11] <bubblehead> lol [19:11] <futureweasley> hi MrM [19:11] <bubblehead> i dont remember. geez i fail [19:11] <nympheart> hi MrM [19:11] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! [19:11] <futureweasley> it's cool...I was just curious.. [19:11] <Expelliarmas> well, my Room 18 peeps are in for a treat ... I've added a few more Random Ruminations and planted an avi in a thread! [19:11] *** coach has joined #lounge [19:12] <futureweasley> hi coach [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> ooooooooo [19:12] <fawkes28> hi coach! smile [19:12] <nympheart> hi coach [19:12] <Aislinn> Coach - nice to see you here smile [19:12] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [19:12] <coach> hi guys [19:12] <futureweasley> hi Emily [19:12] <Aislinn> hi emily [19:12] <nympheart> hi emily [19:12] <EmilyVizi> Hello everyone! [19:13] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [19:13] <futureweasley> hey stewie [19:13] <nympheart> hi stewie [19:13] <Joyhawk2121> great Expel [19:13] <stewiegryf> Helllloooooo! [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> hey, coach [19:13] <fawkes28> hi stewie [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> hi, everyone! [19:13] *** harrypotterfreak629 has joined #lounge [19:13] <futureweasley> are you done with exams now Stewie? [19:14] <nympheart> hi hpfreak [19:14] <stewiegryf> Nope, O chem is this Friday...just taking a little study break. [19:14] <harrypotterfreak629> hello [19:14] <coach> I don't blame you [19:14] <futureweasley> good! I'm glad you joined us! [19:14] <bubblehead> eww I hate chem [19:14] <futureweasley> ditto bubblehead [19:14] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:14] <nympheart> hi greeneyes [19:14] <futureweasley> hi greeneyes [19:14] <EmilyVizi> I like chemistry. I hate Physics :P [19:14] <harrypotterfreak629> hi!! [19:14] <stewiegryf> I guess I'm just weird, I like it. [19:14] <Greeneyes15> Hey guys! [19:14] <bubblehead> hi hpfreak [19:14] <nympheart> i like both chem and physics, but don't like biology [19:14] <bubblehead> I loooove bio! [19:14] <harrypotterfreak629> i like physics [19:15] <fawkes28> everyone ready to chat? [19:15] <Joyhawk2121> hi hpfreak [19:15] <futureweasley> I hate science... [19:15] <futureweasley> lol [19:15] <ProngsPatronus> yes! [19:15] <harrypotterfreak629> i had a bad chem teacher [19:15] <futureweasley> yeppers! [19:15] <ProngsPatronus> bring it on! [19:15] <Greeneyes15> i hate anything science [19:15] <nympheart> yup! [19:15] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:15] <fawkes28> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:15] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] *** Snufflespup has joined #lounge [19:16] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> J.K. Rowling is very specific about names, and incorporates a great deal of symbolism and allusion in her choice of character and place names. [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> This Wize Wizard chat will examine a number of the names in the Harry Potter series, examining their origins and significance in the series. [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Let's begin with some place names. Hogwarts School of Witchcraft & Wizardry. Do you find any significance in the title Hogwarts? [19:16] <futureweasley> it's a really funky name [19:16] <EmilyVizi> it has hog in it [19:16] <nympheart> it sounds magical, like a potions ingredient [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, looking at it in perspective helps [19:16] <bubblehead> hog shows up alot [19:16] <Snufflespup> Jo once said it had nothing to do with the flower [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> it makes sense when you consider Hogsmeade is the next town [19:17] <Greeneyes15> it's...a funny name... [19:17] <EmilyVizi> come on think about it its talking hog with warts lol [19:17] <stewiegryf> I wonder how the founders came to a consensus on such a name [19:17] <Poet> Yes, all those Hog references are fun. I don't know what they mean though [19:17] <Expelliarmas> Hogwarts is a flower of some sort [19:17] <fawkes28> i believe someone in my RG said that it is a flower [19:17] <EmilyVizi> its a flower? [19:17] <Greeneyes15> a flower? [19:17] <Greeneyes15> wierd name for a flower? [19:17] <Aislinn> it is [19:17] <EmilyVizi> yeah [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Its a whimsical, fun sounding name as well. To me, it sounds like a place to go to have a good time [19:17] <Aislinn> a shade flower [19:17] <futureweasley> I wonder if you take the founders names and letters from each of them, if you can spell "Hogwarts" [19:17] <Snufflespup> Yeah, Jo was pointed that out and didn't relise it was a flower [19:17] <futureweasley> I'm working on that in my head [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> wart is an older English name for plant [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [19:18] <Aislinn> Jo had apparently seen one somewhere, and the name stuck with her, without her realizing it [19:18] <bubblehead> it's a good name [19:18] <stewiegryf> I'm thinking you can future [19:18] <bubblehead> it suits the school [19:18] <Joyhawk2121> it realy does [19:18] <Poet> Jo does collect names of places and people [19:18] <futureweasley> to me, if you could spell it that way, it would further point to the founder's unity in the beginning [19:19] <futureweasley> Jo does collect all sorts of fun things like that [19:19] <EmilyVizi> there is a lot of 'hog' related stuff [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if the castle was there ahead of time and that' what it was already named [19:19] *** ltbrave23 has joined #lounge [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> hogs/boars were signs of power and virility [19:19] <Greeneyes15> there is emily [19:19] <nympheart> maybe sooner [19:19] <Greeneyes15> hi ltbrave [19:19] <bubblehead> no the founders buit the castle [19:19] <bubblehead> built* [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> does it say the built it? [19:19] <stewiegryf> That certainly is a possibility, Sooner. [19:19] <ltbrave23> hey greeneyes and everyone else [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> If hogs are related to boars, that would certainly be a traditional, old English kind of allusion. [19:20] <EmilyVizi> do you think it goes anywhere with the hogshead [19:20] <Aislinn> true, Mr M [19:20] <bubblehead> it says which one designed the floorplan on the famous wizard cards...i dont remember which it was though [19:20] <futureweasley> like winged boars from mythology? [19:20] <fawkes28> it does seem like an Old English name [19:20] <Poet> Ravenclaw [19:20] <ProngsPatronus> a hogshead is a kind of casket for beer, I believe [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> Could be, fawkes. [19:21] <Poet> Oh yeah prongs [19:21] <Aislinn> I think you're right, Prongs [19:21] <bubblehead> there are the winged boar statues outside the school [19:21] <Aislinn> making it an apt name for a tavern smile [19:21] <futureweasley> :cheers: [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> exactly [19:21] <fawkes28> it is a name that stands out - it has that connotation of a wise name for me [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> J.K. Rowling often likes to amuse herself (and us) with plays on words. What do you think of Diagon Alley or Grimmauld Place? [19:21] <nympheart> "grim old" and that it is [19:21] <Poet> It makes her books even more fun to read [19:21] <Expelliarmas> "diagonaly" what a great pun [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> I love Diagon Alley+ diagonally [19:22] <bubblehead> i loved the "grim old" that was great [19:22] <Aislinn> I think they are quite clever, and it sometimes takes me a while to pick up on them [19:22] <EmilyVizi> Oh I got die again lol ignore me [19:22] <harrypotterfreak629> and knockturn ally is the same [19:22] <stewiegryf> They went over my head the first couple of times I read them [19:22] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [19:22] <Aislinn> me too stewie [19:22] <futureweasley> Diagonally...I love that [19:22] <Greeneyes15> heehee..i luv it! [19:22] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Knockturn alley= nocturnally [19:22] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, that's a good one, Sooner [19:22] <Greeneyes15> you know what? i never thought about it that way...really! it's so funny! [19:23] <futureweasley> she is an amazing wordsmith...I have always wondered about the origin of "Grimmauld" though [19:23] <bubblehead> i wasn't pronouncing Grimmauld correctly for my first few reads and then I heard someone say it correctly and i was like *smacks self in head*duh [19:23] <Poet> You start to pay attention to the names and try and garner clues from them, like what kind of place they;'ll be when you first hear them [19:23] <coach> grim old [19:23] <ProngsPatronus> LOL--I always thought it was Nocturne Alley! [19:23] <Punky> I had the same problem Bubblehead [19:23] <harrypotterfreak629> same here [19:23] <Snufflespup> Me too! [19:23] <Greeneyes15> me too [19:23] <EmilyVizi> I am learning things everyday [19:23] <fawkes28> she is, future [19:23] <harrypotterfreak629> same with diagon alley [19:23] <Greeneyes15> i say half the word in those books wrong [19:24] <harrypotterfreak629> true that [19:24] <Snufflespup> :lol same here [19:24] <bubblehead> i needed to hear a british person say Grimmauld to get it [19:24] <coach> it means grim old [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> I believe that a grimalkin is an older namr for a black cat, [19:24] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder if Grimmauld is somehow related? [19:24] <EmilyVizi> diagon alley sounded like die again to me [19:24] <futureweasley> like the grim, coach? [19:24] <Snufflespup> Hi Brett! [19:24] <nympheart> yes, prongs, that name is often used when talking about witches too [19:25] <coach> like the place is grim and old [19:25] <BrettMac> Hi everyone! Sorry im late. [19:25] <nympheart> hi brett [19:25] <Greeneyes15> hi Brett [19:25] <coach> foreshadowing sirius' death [19:25] <futureweasley> lol, well, that makes sense [19:25] <MrMcGonagall> auld is very Scottish, too. [19:25] <futureweasley> seems to easy [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> Can you think of other examples of this sort of play on words in a place name? [19:25] <ProngsPatronus> yes, nymph--so it is appropriate [19:25] <coach> auld = old [19:25] <EmilyVizi> JKR is always making things connect but then takes us years to realize [19:25] <BrettMac> play on words? can someone explain? [19:25] <Poet> I was seriously worried for Sirius when I heard the name of his house [19:25] <harrypotterfreak629> Erised [19:25] <Expelliarmas> a pun, Brett Mac [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I like The Leaky Cauldron [19:25] <BrettMac> ok thanks [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> that is cute [19:26] <Poet> The Burrow - for a family of weasels [19:26] <futureweasley> me too! [19:26] <BrettMac> lol poet, i never noticed that! [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> Very good, Poet! [19:26] <futureweasley> ooh, that's an excellent example [19:26] <EmilyVizi> Umm.. cannot think of anything [19:26] <harrypotterfreak629> same here [19:26] <Greeneyes15> i luv that poet [19:26] <coach> Durmstrang has been mentioned [19:26] <bubblehead> Wow I feel stupid poet i never noticed that [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> lol--too bad Percy wasn't a regular! [19:26] <Snufflespup> Well, some say Snuffles leads to Sirius death because snuff it = to die [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> Flourish & Blott's. [19:26] <coach> durm and strang [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> that's good coach [19:26] <bubblehead> I always wondered why they called it the Burrow and now I know. [19:26] <harrypotterfreak629> ya [19:26] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M -that's a good one [19:26] <Greeneyes15> hee i get it couch! [19:27] <coach> not my idea, I just read ob alot [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> sturm und drang [19:27] * SoonerGryffindor is trying to think of other places [19:27] <Aislinn> is Dervish and Banges the joke shop in Hogsmeade? [19:27] <Expelliarmas> "sirius" and "severus" [19:27] <Poet> places...hmm [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> no, that is Zonko's [19:27] <EmilyVizi> privet drive [19:27] <BrettMac> the hogsmeade joke shop is zonkos [19:27] <Aislinn> oh right [19:27] <Poet> Yeah Aislinn [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> Honeydukes for the sweet shop [19:28] <BrettMac> But what's dervish and bangs? i know ive heard it. is it in diagon or hogsmeade? [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> hogsmeade [19:28] <coach> Mungo was a mentally challenged person in the movie Blazing Saddles [19:28] <futureweasley> Scribbulus for the Quills shop... [19:28] <Aislinn> it is a shop in hogsmeade [19:28] <fawkes28> dervish is for....i just listened to it on CD today [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Coach. Really? [19:28] <bubblehead> mmm honeydukes is like my dream store [19:28] <Greeneyes15> jeez there's soooo many! [19:28] <futureweasley> Scrivenshafts...nevermind [19:28] <futureweasley> lol [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> whirling dervishes? [19:28] <Aislinn> that's what I was thinking, Prongs [19:28] <MrMcGonagall> That's still a good one, future! [19:28] <stewiegryf> What about the twins' joke shop. I'm trying to think of something to do with that but am drawing a blank. [19:28] <EmilyVizi> This is making me think [19:28] <fawkes28> well, obviously it can't be that important if we can't remember [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Emily [19:29] <Poet> Azkaban - being banned or put away [19:29] <fawkes28> something to do with clothing maybe? [19:29] <nympheart> weasley's wizard wheezes wizard meaning both "awesome" and a magical person [19:29] *** harrypotterfreak629 left #lounge [] [19:29] <Expelliarmas> it's not that it's unimportant, fawkes, it's that there are so many instances of it [19:29] <EmilyVizi> *opens the hp-lexicon [19:29] <ProngsPatronus> well, there is Madame Malkin [19:29] <ProngsPatronus> which goes back to the cat thing [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> good one Prongs [19:30] <Aislinn> Dervish and Banges is a magical repair shop [19:30] <futureweasley> what's the name of the shop that the Malfoys visit after Madame Malkins? [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> gladrags wizard werar [19:30] <Snufflespup> I thought Azkaban had to do with a real prison, can't remember its name though... [19:30] <nympheart> Twilfit and Tattings [19:30] <futureweasley> gladrags [19:30] <futureweasley> I love that [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> that was on an advertisement [19:30] <Aislinn> Tatting is a kind of lace making [19:30] <futureweasley> thanks Sooner [19:30] <BrettMac> zkaban sounds a lot like alcatraz, i always thought [19:30] <Aislinn> so that one is a nice play on words [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> lol--sounds a lot like how folks sound with a toll in their hands! [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> The Magical menagerie [19:30] <nympheart> I've always thought so too Brett [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> and twill is a sort of cloth [19:31] <nympheart> Eeylops means something doesn't it? [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I really think of alcatraz now after seeing the British adult cover [19:31] <ltbrave23> it's described alot like alcatraz snuffles [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so nymph [19:31] <futureweasley> why do I think of Eeyore everytime I read Eeylops? [19:31] <bubblehead> did we say anything about The Three Broomsticks? [19:31] <Poet> But I can't think of many more that are as "play-on words" than Diagon Alley and Knockturn [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> not yet [19:31] <stewiegryf> I do too, Sooner. [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> I love the three broomsticks one [19:31] <EmilyVizi> I got the Uk edition for Christmas and saw the cover for PoA and was like, "Alcatraz!" [19:32] <Snufflespup> laugh future [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you find anything significant in the name Privet Drive, the street where the Dursleys live? [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> reminds me of the three golden balls on the windown of a pawn shop [19:32] <Greeneyes15> i never realized how much play on words there were! [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> privets are hedges [19:32] <BrettMac> its very "private" [19:32] <EmilyVizi> Are they saying they want to be inclosed? [19:32] <nympheart> privets are hedges [19:32] <futureweasley> well, a privet is a sort of flowering bush [19:32] <MrMcGonagall> Privet bushes seem to be one of those nice, tidy, suburban type things. [19:32] <Poet> private - bushes that hide [19:32] <BrettMac> sort of a play on words :P [19:32] <BrettMac> :p [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> and the Dursleys are always peeking behind theirs! [19:32] <MrMcGonagall> Oooh, good Poet. [19:32] <Aislinn> I think that it is meant to be the stereotypical suburban ....yeah, what Mr M said [19:32] <BrettMac> why dont the smilies work? *sighs* [19:32] <EmilyVizi> they are those communitys where everything is the same [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I always used to pronounce it private [19:32] <nympheart> but Harry's stuck behind those hedges [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> there is also a "privy" [19:32] <Expelliarmas> isn't a "privet" also a um toilet? or is that just a privy? [19:33] <EmilyVizi> Me too Sooner. [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> which can mean several things [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [19:33] *** coach has quit [Bye] [19:33] <Poet> It's also the idea of order, everything is neat and tidy [19:33] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [19:33] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs - Petunia is supposed to be very nosy, so peeking through the privet hedge is very apt for her [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> --private, in the know on siomething [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> Private. Don't ask any questions. [19:33] <Poet> Yes, they sound so much alike (smile) [19:33] <Poet> cool [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I always think of those "Private-- keep out!" signs [19:33] <fawkes28> hi tanaqui [19:33] <nympheart> hi tanaqui [19:34] <Tanaqui> greetings [19:34] <BrettMac> hey tanaqui! [19:34] <Aislinn> we're talking about Privet Drive, and if the name has any significance [19:34] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> The founders of Hogwarts all had alliterative names. Let's take each of them apart. Godric Gryffindor . . . what's in his name? [19:34] <EmilyVizi> Everytime I read Privet when I was little I read it as private [19:34] <BrettMac> gryffin of gold [19:35] <Poet> Godric is a royal sort of name, I think [19:35] <nympheart> it sounds very noble [19:35] <BrettMac> d'or in french is gilded, or "of gold" [19:35] <EmilyVizi> Isn't a gryff like a bird or something? [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the name. For some reason it does sound noble just like numph said [19:35] <Expelliarmas> "Godley" perhaps [19:35] <stewiegryf> I agree nympheart. [19:35] <Tanaqui> a gryffin is part lion and part eagle [19:35] <bubblehead> it just comes off as being very noble [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> godric means "power of god" [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Very strong male name [19:35] <Greeneyes15> i don;t think i'm smart enough for this chat...i'm not thinkin of anything!! [19:36] <Tanaqui> i'd say a very strong symbol [19:36] <EmilyVizi> You hear Gordric and think of royal [19:36] <BrettMac> i like my gryffin of gold theory... [19:36] <BrettMac> :( [19:36] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [19:36] <nympheart> it's a very good theory, brett [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> awww greeneyes, its all good [19:36] <Aislinn> godric is also a saint [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> it is Old English, and is pre-1066 [19:36] <Expelliarmas> awww, Greeneyes, don't be so hard on yourself [19:36] <Aislinn> Noted for his close familiarity with wild animals, his supernatural visions, his gift of prophecy, and ability to know of events occurring hundreds or thousands of miles away [19:36] <Greeneyes15> *sigh* [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> which would argue for a Saxon derivation [19:36] <fawkes28> you are fine, greeneyes! [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I feel like that for half the chats [19:36] <Tanaqui> hmm...i've found that 'ric' means power or rule [19:36] <Aislinn> born 1069 [19:37] <Tanaqui> and that it wasn't really used after the norman conquest [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> Godric is pre-Norman, but gryffin is ancient mythology and d'or implies Norman roots. [19:37] <Greeneyes15> i just like hear what evey one has to say, but i can't come uo with nothin' [19:37] <Greeneyes15> o well [19:37] <Aislinn> the golden gryffin - I love the imagery [19:37] <bubblehead> hmm. Jo does get us thinking about these things, doesn't she? [19:37] <EmilyVizi> These chats make me think too much [19:38] <Greeneyes15> make my brain explode mor elike it smile [19:38] <Poet> It's also a very powerful image [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> What about Rowena Ravenclaw? Any symbolism there? [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> a rowan is a tree [19:38] <Tanaqui> well, according to 'behind the name' [19:38] <Tanaqui> "fame and joy" [19:39] <Tanaqui> for rowena [19:39] <Poet> Jo said her house was connected with air. We certainly see that with the symbol of a bird, and "claw" in her name [19:39] <bubblehead> rowena ravenclaw makes me think of someone like mcgonagall. very strict and rule abiding [19:39] <EmilyVizi> All the founders name are GG RR SS and HH kinda weird [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> involved in magical lore for many years [19:39] <nympheart> lol, I'm on the same sit, tanaqui [19:39] <BrettMac> she was sharp-witted, like the claw of a raven [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I definitely like the "claw" in her name [19:39] <Poet> I like that Brett [19:39] <Tanaqui> isn't it fabulous nympheart? lol [19:39] <nympheart> ravens symbolize wisdom [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> what does a raven represent? [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> Piercing like an eagle's talons or an eagle's sight. intelligence, perhps. [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> lol nymph [19:39] <nympheart> yes it is, I was using it earlier in an RG thread [19:39] <stewiegryf> Aren't ravens pretty intelligent birds? [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> they are, stewie. [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Isn't rowen a type of wood? [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> ravens are supposed to be one of the familiars assocaited with witches [19:40] <Poet> wow [19:40] <EmilyVizi> ravenclaw sounds so smart [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> they represent hidden knowledge and sacred law [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Sharp ass a tack. [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> *as [19:40] <fawkes28> i would think a raven represented wisdom [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> MY bad! [19:40] <futureweasley> LOL [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:40] <Greeneyes15> lol Mr.M! [19:40] <bubblehead> lol [19:40] <EmilyVizi> hehe Mr. M [19:40] <bubblehead> gotta love typos [19:40] <Greeneyes15> lolabove [19:40] <Tanaqui> i always think of poe when i think of ravens [19:40] <Snufflespup> laugh [19:41] <stewiegryf> lol...I never knew preists could type those things [19:41] *** katiebcat has joined #lounge [19:41] <nympheart> rowan is a magical tree [19:41] <Aislinn> yes, tanaqui - me too [19:41] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:41] <Aislinn> it is, nymph [19:41] <ProngsPatronus> lol, stewie! [19:41] <MrMcGonagall> . . . and moving right along. [19:41] <BrettMac> i've always thought of a raven representing hidden knowledge, as if it knew something you didn't and just loved it, and taunted you with it. thats how ive always pictured rowena. [19:41] <EmilyVizi> Trees-Paper-Books so they relate to smartness [19:41] <Tanaqui> a second definition of raven is to consume greedily or devour [19:41] <Greeneyes15> hi NYbookworm [19:41] <Poet> Great point Emily [19:42] <ProngsPatronus> like we do a new HP book... [19:42] <katiebcat> I am late i know [19:42] <katiebcat> hello [19:42] <Aislinn> so, devouring knowledge, the way the Ravenclaws do [19:42] <Tanaqui> right--the ravenclaws sought know.... [19:42] <Tanaqui> aislinn beat me to it [19:42] <Aislinn> lol [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> How about the meaning of the name Helga Hufflepuff? [19:42] <Snufflespup> It's feminine for the name Helge which is "holy or blessed" [19:42] <EmilyVizi> Rowen is also the second crop.. which means nothing at all [19:42] <bubblehead> yay hufflepuffs [19:42] <MrMcGonagall> It just sounds like a down to earth name. [19:42] <BrettMac> hufflepuff just sounds like a hard-working, loyal kind of person [19:43] <katiebcat> I thought hufflepuff sounded girlish [19:43] <BrettMac> very up front and direct about things [19:43] <Poet> Helga sounds like someone who will feed you, and who is outgoing [19:43] <EmilyVizi> Helga Hufflepuff is loyal [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> sounds like someone who appreciates a good joke, too [19:43] <bubblehead> i think all the founders' names are very fitting. not quite sure why, but they are. [19:43] <Tanaqui> helga sounds like a large blonde woman... [19:43] <nympheart> "huff" and "puff" [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> lol [19:43] <Greeneyes15> Hufflepuff sounds like a big flufy cushion to me laugh [19:43] <bubblehead> tanaqui thats how i feel too [19:43] <BrettMac> lol me 2 greeneyes [19:43] <Tanaqui> so a large blonde woman on a big fluffy cushion.....lol [19:43] <Aislinn> sounds like someone who puts effort into things they do [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> I do think of something soft and squishy. [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> which would mean comfort--homliness [19:44] <Poet> Yes, Helga has always sounded like a very determined person. [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> as is salt of the earth [19:44] <Tanaqui> the thing is...huff is usually a negative term [19:44] <EmilyVizi> Hufflepuff is just so kinda and welcoming [19:44] <Greeneyes15> me to poet [19:44] <bubblehead> if i were to hug any of the founders, it'd be helga hufflepuff. she seems the most welcoming and charming. [19:44] <fawkes28> it does to me greeneyes too [19:44] <bubblehead> and that was a very wierd thing to say [19:44] <Greeneyes15> but I luv the Hufflepuff part so much!! [19:44] <nympheart> I think of someone working hard and panting for breath, tanaqui [19:44] <BrettMac> hagrid said they were "a buch o' duffers" in the first book, but i really disagree. hufflepuff is such a kind-sounding, accepting name [19:45] <Aislinn> agreed, brett [19:45] <Tanaqui> that's a good twist nymph [19:45] <futureweasley> it does Emily...like Madam Sprout...head of Hufflepuff. I always see her as warm and pleasant [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> earthy [19:45] <Joyhawk2121> me to future [19:45] <Greeneyes15> all on welcome on the Huffle puff! [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> Helga - good Saxon name. [19:45] <EmilyVizi> I want to be in Hufflepuff [19:45] <nympheart> lol greeneyes [19:45] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> Kitchen cooks often seem to have names like Helga. [19:46] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [19:46] <Poet> Hufflepuff - huff and puff. I'm not sure of all of the breathing references [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Salazar Slytherin - it even sounds snaky. What allusions do you find? [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> there are Helgas in the Norse community, though [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> so it could also be a Norman name [19:46] <Tanaqui> well, slytherin is easy--a snake slythers [19:46] <BrettMac> he slythers his way into trouble [19:46] <Poet> Sly [19:46] <Aislinn> it does sound snaky, with all the sibilants [19:46] <Expelliarmas> well, "sidewinder" was a dead giveaway [19:46] <Greeneyes15> interesting Mr.M...that a funny comparison grin [19:46] <nympheart> slither, and then the sssss sound [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> Salazar is very unsual. [19:46] <bubblehead> salazar slytherin sounds so stab-you-in-the-back [19:46] <Aislinn> It is a Spanish name [19:46] <Poet> Salazar sounds like a dark sorcerer [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> Rather Arabic, isn't it? [19:46] <EmilyVizi> salazar slytherin amakes me think of snake [19:47] <futureweasley> slither...slyther [19:47] <Greeneyes15> snaky slithering Slytherin! [19:47] <katiebcat> i think the name sounds scary [19:47] <fawkes28> it sounds very sneaky [19:47] <futureweasley> right [19:47] <Snufflespup> I agree MrM [19:47] <Aislinn> it means dweller in or near a house or palace [19:47] <EmilyVizi> He sounds sneaky [19:47] <stewiegryf> ...or a chamber? [19:47] <futureweasley> well, what borders Arabic nations? Albania? [19:47] <bubblehead> salazar slithers in and is just plain sneaky [19:47] <Poet> The "z" sound along with the "s" sounds - of course sort of mimic parseltongue [19:47] <futureweasley> it could be a regional clue [19:47] <Poet> too true futureweasley [19:48] <Expelliarmas> nope, the Arabic nations are found in the african continent [19:48] <Expelliarmas> Albania is somewhere in Europe proper [19:48] <MrMcGonagall> Moorish, perhaps. [19:48] <BrettMac> he sounds like the kind of person who spends every moment of his day plotting how to kill you, but acts very nice to his close friends (the founders). sort of like umbridge, only evil [19:48] <EmilyVizi> Very true Brett [19:48] *** katiebcat has quit [Bye] [19:48] <bubblehead> agreed brett [19:48] <Greeneyes15> totally Brett [19:49] <futureweasley> ok, that makes sense Expie [19:49] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [19:49] <MrMcGonagall> Albania - western Balkans. [19:49] <Poet> Albania is just a short boat tide away from Africa [19:49] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> salazar was a dictator in portugal [19:49] <Aislinn> yes [19:49] <Poet> Oh year, I remember reading that [19:49] <nympheart> interesting, prongs [19:49] <EmilyVizi> Wow [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> albania is in the blatic peninsula [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> baltic, even [19:49] <fawkes28> albania is directly north of greece - i taught that yesterday laugh [19:50] <Poet> And Jo had lived there [19:50] <Greeneyes15> is he an "evil" dictator? [19:50] <Poet> I think [19:50] <BrettMac> how many dictators are nice? [19:50] <stewiegryf> Is there such a thing is a "nice" dictator? [19:50] <EmilyVizi> dictators are always evil [19:50] <Greeneyes15> true [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think about the names of house-elves: Kreacher, Dobby, Winky? [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> creature [19:51] <BrettMac> Kreacher=creature [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> a dobby was another name for a horse [19:51] <Aislinn> and he acts the most animalistic of all of them [19:51] <Aislinn> true, prongs [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> a beast of burden [19:51] <BrettMac> Winky sounds like a very petit name, very appropriate for such a small being [19:51] <Greeneyes15> they're funny little names... [19:52] <nympheart> I think "blinky" would be more appropriate, for getting rid of all those tears, but it's close [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> which is how the elves are treated [19:52] <EmilyVizi> winky sounds kind of iffy [19:52] <BrettMac> and what about hokey? [19:52] <Expelliarmas> their names are a bit childish--even Hokey was, well, hokey [19:52] <Greeneyes15> i agree brett [19:52] <stewiegryf> winky=hood-winked? She was kind of a red herring for awhile. [19:52] <MrMcGonagall> Kreacher sounds like a crotchity old name. [19:52] <Poet> I love Kreacher [19:52] <BrettMac> agreed stewie [19:52] <Poet> creature [19:52] <fawkes28> kreacher has a negative connotation IMO [19:52] <stewiegryf> I agree fawkes [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I always think creature for kreacher [19:52] <EmilyVizi> Kreacher sounds like he gets treated as a creature who no one likes [19:52] <futureweasley> like a creature [19:52] <Poet> It also sounds a bit like someone grumpy and that screams a bit [19:52] <MrMcGonagall> I think so too, fawkes [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> they are all names which diminish their owners [19:52] <futureweasley> a "thing"...and "it" [19:52] <Greeneyes15> Kreacher creeps me out [19:53] <bubblehead> me too greeneyes [19:53] <futureweasley> faceless and nameless...that's what Kreacher makes me think [19:53] <BrettMac> kreacher sounds like a name for someone whose gone too far off the deep end [19:53] <EmilyVizi> does anyone know if the house elves name themselves [19:53] <stewiegryf> Something that definitely belongs in an old, grim place. [19:53] <EmilyVizi> or are they named? [19:53] <futureweasley> how's about "Creepy" [19:53] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [19:53] *** coach has joined #lounge [19:53] <Snufflespup> I don't think so Emily [19:53] <Aislinn> There is also a type of loom called a Dobby loom [19:53] <Poet> Winky - sounds sleepy, which she does tend to do a lot in her present state [19:53] <Greeneyes15> yeppers Future, very [19:53] <BrettMac> kreapy kreacher... [19:54] <Aislinn> so, loom, textiles - a love of clothing and socks [19:54] <Greeneyes15> he kreeps and kreeps and never does nay good... [19:54] <futureweasley> that's awesome Aislinn...I didn't know that [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> good one, Aislinn [19:54] <MrMcGonagall> Good one, Aislinn! [19:54] * Poet bows down to Aislinn's greatness [19:54] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:54] <Poet> seriously I love these chats [19:54] <Aislinn> hi punky [19:54] <bubblehead> i like how she used the kreacher/creature thing for the Sirius foreshadowing [19:54] <bubblehead> in St Mungos [19:55] <EmilyVizi> these chats make my brain go ahhhh [19:55] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [19:55] *** coach has quit [Bye] [19:55] <MrMcGonagall> We'll make a Wize Wizard of you yet, Emily! smile [19:56] <Greeneyes15> [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Let's also take a look at the name Harry, which Petunia considers nasty and common. What are your thoughts on Harry James Potter? [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry means warrior [19:56] <nympheart> it sounds very normal [19:56] <fawkes28> i think it is a very good British sounding name [19:56] <BrettMac> It seems so commonplace. The perfect name to make famous, Jo tongue [19:56] <EmilyVizi> it is common [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> The James part is evident. Harry is so normal and commonplace a name. [19:56] <fawkes28> i didnt know that, sooner [19:56] <futureweasley> it is very unassuming. [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> Very non-descript. [19:56] <nympheart> so it's ironic that he's so famous, but in so many ways he is very normal [19:56] <bubblehead> it's a very common name which i think suits him. an ordinary name for an extra-ordinary boy [19:57] <Aislinn> From the Germanic name Heimiric which meant "home ruler", composed of the elements heim "home" and ric "power, ruler". This name was introduced into Britain by the Normans [19:57] <Punky> I like that, it is a normal name [19:57] <EmilyVizi> i dont know anyone named harry though lol [19:57] <BrettMac> BEcause when you think of the most common male names, the names bob, fred, george, james, harold, frank, and all those sorts of names come to mind [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> Harry is a princely name, which makes Petunia's comment extremely ironic [19:57] <fawkes28> someone in my RG mentioned that the name Harry comes from Henry which refers to the King [19:57] <Greeneyes15> oo, gotta go ya'all! american idol is starting! [19:57] <Snufflespup> It's Jo's favorite [19:57] <Greeneyes15> see yas! bye1 [19:57] <BrettMac> bye greeneyes [19:57] <bubblehead> bye greeneyes [19:57] <EmilyVizi> People say things are so common when you think abut it and you don't realize you don't know anyone of that name [19:57] <nympheart> bye greeneyes [19:57] <stewiegryf> bye greeneyes [19:57] <Aislinn> It is, Prongs - it is derived from Henry, and many kings have been named Henry [19:57] <EmilyVizi> bye greeneyes [19:57] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, that is good, fawkes. [19:57] <MrMcGonagall> Good and bad Henries. [19:57] <futureweasley> if I were LV, I certainly wouldn't be afraid of meeting my demise with a blow from "Harry Potter". Grindelwald, yes...Griphook, yes....Albus Dumbledore, yes...Harry Potter...not so much [19:57] <BrettMac> i actually have to go too... not for american idol, though smile [19:58] <EmilyVizi> Lots of kings named Henry [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> every Tom, Dick, and Harry was a saying on the "commonness" of the name in Britain [19:58] <BrettMac> bye everyone [19:58] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:58] <stewiegryf> Is that the king that killed all his wives? [19:58] *** BrettMac left #lounge [] [19:58] <fawkes28> good point, prongs [19:58] <MrMcGonagall> There was a Henry who offed a couple of them, stewie. [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> What about the surname Potter? Does that hold any significance, common as it is? [19:58] <fawkes28> and it is true we love harry because he is just like any regular person [19:58] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [19:58] <Aislinn> I do think Jo meant it to be a common name - just your average child, who turned out to be so much more [19:58] <bubblehead> well she got the name potter from a family she knew didn't she? [19:58] <MrMcGonagall> A molder and a shaper. [19:58] <EmilyVizi> potter...potter.. someone who plots plants [19:58] <hrh7> Hi [19:59] <fawkes28> Potter - sounds like a harder worker [19:59] <Tanaqui> potter makes me think of a person who makes clay pots...and someone who putters [19:59] <fawkes28> hi hrh7 [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> someone who makes clay pots [19:59] <NYBookworm> would a potter be one who makes pottery? [19:59] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:59] <MrMcGonagall> The expression "pottering around" [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> someone who shapes and refines their world [19:59] <MrMcGonagall> Which we all do a lot of! [19:59] <futureweasley> right...or a Potter's Wheel [19:59] <ltbrave23> harry also means to disturb or distress by or as if by repeated attacks [19:59] <Expelliarmas> there's just something so comfortable about harry's name, like a favorite worn shirt which fits just so [19:59] <fawkes28> right - so it makes me think that someone who made clay pots where harder workers and good people [20:00] <nympheart> I think of buried in a "potter's field," which is just back to the ordinary and humble [20:00] <fawkes28> that is a great way to put it, expie [20:00] <EmilyVizi> the name harry potter is just a normal name [20:00] <MrMcGonagall> Oooh, that's interesting, nymph [20:00] <Aislinn> yes, it reminds me of that as well, nymph [20:00] <bubblehead> oh agreed expelliarmus. but i think that i feel that way because of our favorite boy wizard [20:00] <MrMcGonagall> He's just Harry. [20:00] <stewiegryf> It shows that there was nothing extraordinary about Harry at his birth. Kind of like he could be any one of us. [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> yes--a potter's field was a burial ground for the poor and those with no family [20:01] <Expelliarmas> could be, bubblehead--Harry's never sought the limelight [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> the anonymous [20:01] <fawkes28> how very true that is, Mr. M [20:01] <MrMcGonagall> An ordinary boy put into extraordinary situations. [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Petunia and her sisters both have floral names. Does Petunia's name fit her? [20:01] <EmilyVizi> I wonder how Lily and James got Harry's name [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> lol--yes [20:01] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [20:01] <bubblehead> Petunia is too sour to be a petunia [20:01] <Aislinn> She doesn't seem very flower-like to me [20:01] * SoonerGryffindor is trying to remember what Petunia means [20:02] <fawkes28> she reminds me of a wilted flower laugh [20:02] <Expelliarmas> yes, if we refer to Petunia Pig [20:02] <Expelliarmas> otherwise, no [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> petunias are very sensitive to scents and things like tobacco smoke [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> Petunias have a trumpet-like bloom, and she does have that long, skinny neck. [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> and can be invasive [20:02] <EmilyVizi> The popular flower got its name from French. In that language, the word "petun" once meant "tobacco". so that makes no sence [20:02] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M [20:02] <nympheart> interesting, prongs [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> They also have frilly petals, like the dresses Petunia often wears. [20:02] <Aislinn> Petunias do wilt quite easily [20:03] <EmilyVizi> Petunia is a pink wearer too [20:03] <Expelliarmas> what's the scent of a petunia like? i've always thought it was more of a stinkweed ... [20:03] <MrMcGonagall> Petunias are really rather common flowers, but hardy ones as well. [20:03] <stewiegryf> Petunias are in the same genus as tobacco plants [20:03] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:03] <MrMcGonagall> They don't smell purty, Expie. [20:03] <EmilyVizi> we have petunias in my front yard i think [20:03] <Expelliarmas> well, there you go, MrM [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Petunia muight be synonymous with poison as well [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> they may look pretty, but they smell awful [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> Lilies have tremendous symbolism. How do you see this possibly relating to Lily Evans Potter as a character? [20:04] <EmilyVizi> they do smell yuck [20:04] <Aislinn> lily - purity [20:04] <Poet> innocent and delicate is what they seem [20:04] <EmilyVizi> lilies [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> lilies are associated with the Annunciation [20:04] <Poet> They are very beautiful flowers [20:04] <MrMcGonagall> True, Prongs [20:05] <nympheart> lilies are associated with death, so more of a memory than an active character [20:05] <bubblehead> I think I read somewhere that Lilies represent death [20:05] <EmilyVizi> We have lilies at easter [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> with Mary [20:05] <MrMcGonagall> The holly bears a blossom, as white as lily-flower. [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> and Lily is the mother of The Boy Who Lived, the Chosen One [20:05] <Aislinn> yes [20:05] <fawkes28> yes, lilies are beautiful flowers [20:05] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> . Let's turn to some of the Hogwarts staff, many of whom also have alliterative names. Let's take one that's a real mouthful - Albus Wulfric Percival Brian Dumbledore. What do you think of his many names? [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> lillies actually represent life after death, which is why they are used at funerals [20:06] <fawkes28> oh - i like this question! [20:06] <bubblehead> having so many names seems eccentirc just like DD himself [20:06] <EmilyVizi> too many names [20:06] <nympheart> albus means white [20:06] <fawkes28> i think it is to show how important he is and powerful [20:06] <EmilyVizi> why so many names? [20:06] <nympheart> percival was one of the few knights of the round table pure enough to see the holy grail [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> percival achieved the grail [20:06] <Expelliarmas> Too long to fit on a normal birth certificate [20:06] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:06] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [20:06] <bubblehead> i like his many names [20:06] <fawkes28> an ordinary person does not have so many names [20:06] <EmilyVizi> percival reminds me of percy [20:06] <Aislinn> I love all of his names [20:06] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [20:06] <bubblehead> percival = peirce the veil [20:07] <stewiegryf> I agree fawkes. [20:07] <fawkes28> you know when you see his full name that you are looking at someone who is unique [20:07] <Pellinore> perceval is the wise innocent [20:07] <Expelliarmas> happily though, he doesn't go by "Percy" [20:07] <Aislinn> many are old English names [20:07] <MrMcGonagall> It's an unusual combination of names. [20:07] <Punky> I like that Brian is thrown in, it seems ordinary in the mix [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> brian means hill, and has the meaning "noble" [20:07] <fawkes28> i love how he has all of these names which are unique and then he has a simple name like brian [20:07] <Joyhawk2121> it sounds a little greek [20:07] <Snufflespup> Brian=high, noble [20:07] <stewiegryf> It makes me wonder if his brother has so many names, or was it just Albus? [20:07] <EmilyVizi> brian sounds muggleish [20:07] <Aislinn> brian Boru was a nobleman of long ago [20:08] <fawkes28> i didnt realize that Brian meant noble [20:08] <EmilyVizi> my youth ministers name is brian and he is a pain in the butt lol [20:08] <nympheart> I've seen that "Wulfric" alludes to "Beowulf" who defeated...oh...someone with a name similar to "Grindelwald" [20:08] *** ltbrave23 left #lounge [] [20:08] <EmilyVizi> Oh Jo loved names [20:08] <Pellinore> grendal [20:08] <MrMcGonagall> Whoa, nymph! What a connection! [20:08] <nympheart> thank you, pellinore [20:09] <nympheart> I can't take credit for that, actually [20:09] <Pellinore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grendel [20:09] <Aislinn> it is an intriguing connection [20:09] <fawkes28> yes, nymph - i brought that up in our RG but i saw it on the lexicon [20:09] <fawkes28> lol [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant he.lp but think of the Arthurian connections when it comes to DD [20:09] <EmilyVizi> wikipedia is a wonderful [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> the name Percival [20:09] <fawkes28> so i cant take credit either - probably Steve figured it out [20:10] <EmilyVizi> which book do we learn DD full name/ [20:10] <EmilyVizi> ? [20:10] <Aislinn> and of course Albus is derived from White [20:10] <Snufflespup> :lol: Steve knows everything [20:10] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:10] <Aislinn> which has been given a lot of meaning in the Alchemy circles [20:10] <Poet> Right, he was one of the ones who found the grail objects [20:10] <stewiegryf> We learn in in OotP, emily [20:10] <mollywobbles23> what's the question? [20:10] <Aislinn> we're talking about Dumbledore's names, molly [20:10] <mollywobbles23> oh yay! [20:10] <Snufflespup> What does DD's name mean [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> I know that nobles were given multiple names [20:10] <Pellinore> yes, Perceval, Bors & Galahad were the 3 to find the grail depending on the version of the myth i believe. [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> was Dumbledore from a noble family? [20:11] <Aislinn> I think it's possible, Prongs [20:11] <mollywobbles23> Albus Wolfric Perceval Brian Dumbledore is his full name, right? [20:11] <ProngsPatronus> me, too--and he is certainly a "prince" of the WW [20:11] <Snufflespup> I think so, we don't know much about his full name. Yes Molly [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> Minerva McGonagall? [20:11] <mollywobbles23> wasn't Minerva a goddess? [20:11] <nympheart> minerva, the Roman goddess of wisdom and war [20:12] <Poet> yes [20:12] <Snufflespup> *Family, we don't no much about his family [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> minerva is the roman equivalent for Athena [20:12] <Aislinn> Minerva -yes goddess of wisdom [20:12] <bubblehead> Go nag all. and she's very nagging [20:12] <Pellinore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva [20:12] <stewiegryf> Gotta go all! Take care! [20:12] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [20:12] <nympheart> and McGonagall was a very bad poet, right? [20:12] <MrMcGonagall> McGonagall is a very Scottish name, hence all of the tartan. (and she's a bit of a tartar!) [20:12] <Expelliarmas> just a wee bit, MrM [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, I love the fact that she is a war goddess [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> wasn't there a bad poet with the last name McGonagall? [20:13] <MrMcGonagall> I think so, Prongs. Saw something on the Lexicon about it. [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> nymph, great minds! [20:13] * SoonerGryffindor has no clue [20:13] <nympheart> lol, yup, Prongs [20:13] <bubblehead> i gotta go but it's been lovely chatting [20:13] <Aislinn> bye bubblehead [20:13] <EmilyVizi> bye bubblehead! [20:13] <bubblehead> bye everyone! [20:13] <Pellinore> yea the bad poet's name is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Topaz_McGonagall [20:14] *** MaxBaggins has joined #lounge [20:14] *** bubblehead left #lounge [] [20:14] <nympheart> hi max [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> well, she certainly wads in and isn't afraid of enemies--just like a warrior goddess [20:14] <MaxBaggins> Hi. [20:14] <Aislinn> very true, Prongs [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> What about Filius Flitwick, head of Ravenclaw House? [20:14] <MrMcGonagall> filius = son [20:15] *** MaxBaggins has quit [Bye] [20:15] <MrMcGonagall> Flitwick automatically makes me think "swish and flick" [20:15] <Expelliarmas> filius makes me think of fidelity [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> filius means son--and is related to fidelis--faithful [20:15] <fawkes28> hmmm - that is interesting, mr. m [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to say that I love this name [20:15] <Snufflespup> I have to go, bye! [20:15] *** Snufflespup has quit [Bye] [20:15] <nympheart> me too, MrM [20:15] <fawkes28> do you think perhaps his father was important then? [20:15] <EmilyVizi> I like the name Filius [20:15] <MrMcGonagall> He's kind of a chirpy little guy. [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> Flitwick just seems the perfect name for him [20:15] <nympheart> "flit" also makes me think of a flighty sort of person [20:15] <Poet> flit and wick both sound a bit fragile This post has been edited by fawkes28: Mar 7 2007, 10:00 PM |
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[20:16] <EmilyVizi> Flitwick is the best too
[20:16] <MrMcGonagall> It's a very Ravenclawy kind of name. [20:16] <Aislinn> it seems quite apt for the charms professor [20:16] <ProngsPatronus> lol--yes [20:16] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:16] <Expelliarmas> perhaps "flighty" as to his energy levels, but not as to his character [20:16] <Aislinn> hi carpe smile [20:16] <Pellinore> hopefully [20:16] <Poet> To flit - reminds me of flying. His task was the flying keys [20:16] <CarpeDiem> Hi Aislinn! [20:17] <Pellinore> would like to see him kick butt in the 7th book... dualing champion and all. [20:17] <ProngsPatronus> and airy--a wick holds the flame, and someone who flits around a room [20:17] <CarpeDiem> Flit-wick I picture a small candle burning bright in a dark room. Flickering and always active. [20:18] <mollywobbles23> ooooh, "a wick holds the flame" sounds important to me [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> since ravenclaw is allied with air, it would fit [20:18] <EmilyVizi> He does always seem to be around [20:18] <mollywobbles23> without the wick, the flame is uncontained. [20:18] <Poet> I've always worried he might die - is wick/flame being snuffed out [20:18] <Aislinn> aww, I hope not, Poet! [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> me, too, Poet [20:18] <nympheart> ravenclaw tames gryffindor, molly? [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Professor Sprout is rather an obvious one. What about Madam Poppy Pomfrey? An appropriate name for an infirmarian? [20:19] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps it is knowledge [20:19] <CarpeDiem> Yes, good point, Poet. I think he's stronger than we realize though, smile [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the poppy reference [20:19] <mollywobbles23> perhaps. look at how Luna was the only one who was able to calm Harry in OOTP at the end [20:19] <Aislinn> Poppies have been ued for medicinal purposes [20:19] <Poet> Poppies and medicinal? [20:19] <MrMcGonagall> Poppies! The infirmary is an opium den. [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:19] <EmilyVizi> Good connection [20:19] <mollywobbles23> makes me think of poppy seeds and opium [20:19] <CarpeDiem> More alliteration...it's great! [20:20] <Pellinore> or morphien [20:20] <mollywobbles23> wasn't opium once a medicine of some sort? or am I crazy? [20:20] <MrMcGonagall> Pomfrey reminds me of something, but I can't remember what. [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> pomfreys are small licorice cakes [20:20] <Aislinn> pomfrey reminds me of comfrey [20:20] <nympheart> morphene is made from opium, molly [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm with you Mr M, but cant remember [20:20] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:20] <Aislinn> which is another medicinal herb [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> licorice has medicianl iseas [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> uses, even [20:20] <mollywobbles23> does anyone else prounce it pomp-frey. I can't help but pronounce it that way for some reason [20:21] <mollywobbles23> thanks, nymph [20:21] <EmilyVizi> I do mollywobbles [20:21] <EmilyVizi> I say pomp-free tho [20:21] <mollywobbles23> well, I do too. just didn't indicate that I guess. [20:22] <Aislinn> comfrey: One of its country names was 'knitbone', a reminder of its traditional use in healing. The herb contains allantoin, a cell proliferant that speeds up the natural replacement of body cells. This means that it will promote the swift healing of damaged or injured tissues, as well as maintaining cell growth and preventing diseases [20:22] <Aislinn> this reminds me of what Madame Pomfrey does for Harry [20:22] <MrMcGonagall> Pomfrey is also the contraction of the city of Pontrefact in north Yorkshire. [20:22] <nympheart> definitely, Aislinn [20:22] <CarpeDiem> Wow! Where's that from Aislinn? [20:22] <Poet> I can't believe I hadn't picked up on that before [20:22] <Expelliarmas> wow, Aislinn! [20:22] <Pellinore> er, misspelled it... Morphine, its derived from poppy flowers and used by medics to dull pain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Topaz_McGonagall [20:22] <Poet> I knew about comfrey [20:22] <MrMcGonagall> There are some kind of small cakes called pomfreys. [20:22] <Pellinore> opps, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine [20:23] <Aislinn> it's not Pomfrey, it's Comfrey - but it's still close [20:23] * SoonerGryffindor likes cake [20:23] <fawkes28> that is a lot of infomation, aislinn [20:23] <Aislinn> It's from Wikipedia [20:23] <CarpeDiem> Thanks for the link Pellinore smile [20:23] <Pellinore> np smile [20:23] <MrMcGonagall> Jo does love her alliteration. [20:23] <Aislinn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfrey [20:23] <fawkes28> i love Jo's alliteration, Mr. M [20:24] <EmilyVizi> Wiki is a big source tonight [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Ahhh, Severus Snape. Lots of allusion there. What can we glean from his name? [20:24] <mollywobbles23> yes! I love how they played with that too in GOF with the "babbling babboons...." thing. I was like "awesome alliteration!" I'm such an English nerd. [20:24] <Aislinn> another sibilant, slithery, snakey name [20:24] <nympheart> "severe" [20:24] <CarpeDiem> Severus = severe Snape = Snake [20:24] <Pellinore> sounds like Cutting the Snake to me [20:24] <MrMcGonagall> Septimius Severus - Roman emperor who carried out a brutal persecution of Christians. [20:24] <Aislinn> Severus is a name from ancient history [20:24] <nympheart> or even "sever," to cut [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Sever us? [20:24] <Aislinn> yes Mr M [20:24] <fawkes28> hey now - let's be nice to Snape laugh [20:24] <Poet> The river that divides Wales from England [20:25] <Poet> I think [20:25] <MrMcGonagall> He doesn't have a nice name, fawkes. [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> snape is a woodworking term--a bevel [20:25] <Aislinn> and betrayed/overthrew someone names Albus, I believe [20:25] <EmilyVizi> SS- Salazar Slytherin SS- Severus Snape [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> on the edge [20:25] <Aislinn> or Albinius [20:25] <CarpeDiem> Wow [20:25] <nympheart> wow, Aislinn [20:25] <Aislinn> it's in an essay in Scribbulus [20:25] <Pellinore> missed that one.. nice find [20:25] <Aislinn> the Machiavellian one [20:25] * CarpeDiem needs to read more of those. [20:25] <Punky> wow, intesrting connection [20:26] <MrMcGonagall> Why don't we discover these connections before we read the books? LOL [20:26] <mollywobbles23> oh yeah! It's been a while since I read that one, Aislinn. I'm glad you remembered that. [20:26] <Expelliarmas> i.e., the greasy one [20:26] * fawkes28 agrees with Carpe [20:26] <nympheart> lol expie [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> there is also a Lucius Septimius Severus [20:26] <fawkes28> i don't believe grease has anything to do with his name, expie [20:26] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I forgot about the latin meaning Expelliarmas Severus Snape = Greasy Git, yes? [20:27] <EmilyVizi>  fawkes[20:27] <MrMcGonagall> Septimius = seven [20:27] <Aislinn> LOL [20:27] <Punky> What translation is that CD? [20:27] <nympheart> lol, carpe [20:27] <MrMcGonagall> The six degrees of Severus Snape. [20:27] <mollywobbles23> woah [20:27] <Poet> Snape, reminds me of nape (of the neck) - I think he'll get his head cut off like Sir Nick (lol) [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> ecclesiatic latin, it think--lol [20:27] <Pellinore> Albinus was hailed emperor by his troops and moved to Gallia. Severus, after a short stay in Rome, moved northwards to meet him. On 19 February 197, in the Battle of Lugdunum, with an army of 100,000 men, mostly composed of Illyrian, Moesian and Dacian legions, Severus defeated and killed Clodius Albinus, securing his full control over the Empire. [20:27] <Aislinn> snape reminds me of snipe - to snipe at someone [20:27] <nympheart> well, "sever" could mean his head (I hope) [20:27] <Aislinn> There it is - interesting connection, eh? [20:28] <Aislinn> thanks Pellinore [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> wow, there were a lot of roman emporers that had severus in their names [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> He is rather snipey. [20:28] <mollywobbles23> or snap at somone [20:28] <mollywobbles23> someone, even [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> No snaps for Snape. [20:28] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:28] <CarpeDiem> Snape also sounds like snoop - a spy perhaps [20:28] <hrh7> Does anyone think there is a reason Severus and Sirius sound similar, or is it just coincidence? [20:28] <Aislinn> I wonder if that connection has significance [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Jo just likes 3 syllabel names [20:28] <mollywobbles23> probably a reason [20:28] <CarpeDiem> Yes, good question hrh7 [20:28] <Aislinn> the Albinus/Severus one [20:29] <EmilyVizi> In my history book I saw the name severus, he was a roman dicator [20:29] <Pellinore> Snape is also a bird and there's a myth about taking kids "Snape" hunting to keep them out of trouble. Used to do it in Boy Scouts (usa) [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> that would be Snipe hunting [20:29] <MrMcGonagall> haha - trying to catch a snape. [20:29] *** Tanaqui has quit [Bye] [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> no thanks [20:29] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [20:29] * mollywobbles23 wants to see fanart of Snape [20:29] <Pellinore> doh.. yea snipe. even looked it up 1st but misspelled it ohmy [20:30] <Poet> Sounds like our Snape is a dead man [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> Bag him. [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> Lots of people believe Irma Pince means something. What do you think? [20:30] * mollywobbles23 fanart of his Wanted poster [20:30] <mollywobbles23> red herring [20:30] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [20:30] <Aislinn> I'm not a big fan of the theory going around about her [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I am [20:30] <nympheart> pincers, she has quite a grip [20:30] <Poet> She's uptight - pinched [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> she's totaly Snapes mom [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> Her name fits her, but I'm not so sure about the anagram - I'm a prince [20:31] <mollywobbles23> not even a red herring...non-linear thinking on part of wishful thinkers [20:31] <Poet> The anagram sort of fits, especially considering the other anagram was in its sister book - Book 2 [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> a pince-nez are a type od spectacles without earpices [20:31] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:31] <Aislinn> it reminds me of pince-nez - a style of glasses without earpieces that pinch the nose to stay on [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> There is an amazing essay on her in this months scribby [20:31] <Poet> I'm not totally convinced, but I want it to be true [20:31] <nympheart> her name means "whole" [20:32] <hrh7> What is the theory about her? [20:32] <Aislinn> haha, prongs, great minds wink [20:32] <ProngsPatronus> you betcha [20:32] <nympheart> I don't think she has anything to do with Eileen Prince [20:32] <Pellinore> should be easy enough to figure out if the translations also make Irma Prince a word jumble. [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> hiya smile [20:32] <Poet> Some think Eileen Prince is related to Irma Pince [20:32] <MrMcGonagall> I think snape's aunt, perhaps. [20:32] <nympheart> hi debbie [20:32] <Expelliarmas> i don't think this is a significant character [20:32] <Aislinn> hi debbie [20:32] <Pellinore> hey DD smile [20:32] <mollywobbles23> Why would someone change their name and basically keep it the same minus one letter? [20:33] <nympheart> good question molly [20:33] <Pellinore> to give a clue for the people reading the book ;o [20:33] <Poet> To protect her from the Death Eaters when Snape turned good (wink) [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#scribbulus:essay:343 [20:33] <CarpeDiem> lol Poet [20:33] <nympheart> frustrated [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> that is the link to the essay [20:33] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [20:33] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [20:33] *** mode/#lounge [+o SoonerGryffindor] by Snuffles [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> anyway, its a great essay [20:33] <CarpeDiem> Woo hoo...thanks for the link [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> cool [20:33] <Expelliarmas> somehow I just don't think so [20:34] <Joyhawk2121> thanks sooner [20:34] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [20:34] <mollywobbles23> that green text makes me think of sour apple JollyRanchers [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you see any symbolism or allusions with the names of Rubeus Hagrid or Argus Filch? [20:34] <Aislinn> rubeus- red [20:34] <Pellinore> would be an interesting twist.. especially if Severus ended up attending the funeral under a veil posing as ms. pince. [20:34] <ProngsPatronus> well, Snape kept his connections to the Prince name hiden [20:35] <ProngsPatronus> *hidden* [20:35] <nympheart> argus is a monster that guarded a cow/woman from Zeus [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> The alchemy theorists really latch onto the Rubeus-red thing. [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:35] <Aislinn> there is something called Geomancy, which is divination by signs of the earth [20:35] <Aislinn> Rubeus and Albus are both mentioned with it [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> according to that, Hagrid is going to bite it this next book [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> Filch means to steal something. [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> do you suppose Argus has been doing some 'filching' for someone? [20:35] <ProngsPatronus> somweone who is hag-ridden has not had a good night's sleep [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> Argus does have the air of a sneak thief. [20:36] <nympheart> "filch" also makes me think of "filth" [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> I think Hagrid may have gotten a pass from Jo [20:36] <Aislinn> wasn't Argus a guardian of Hades or something? [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> which is commonly associated with the word "pinch" which is close to madame Pince's name therefore associating Pince with Filch [20:36] <Pellinore> argus reminds me of argos from Jason and the Argonauts. Argo made the boat and it was then named after him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> For someone so unconcerned with personal hygiene, Filch certainly does seem to be obsessed with eradicating dirt in the castle. [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:36] <nympheart> Argus was a monster with a hundred eyes that guarded a woman Zeus was after at Hera's orders [20:37] <ProngsPatronus> he hundred-eywed Argus was in the employ of hera, keeping Zeus from Io [20:37] <ProngsPatronus> lol [20:37] <MrMcGonagall> Argus - always on the watch everywhere at all times. [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> that fits Prongs [20:37] <nympheart> there we go again [20:37] <fawkes28> i think so, Aislinn [20:37] <ProngsPatronus> yep [20:37] <CarpeDiem> Wow...love the name finders here tonight. Thanks all! [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> he's always got his eyes on the students [20:37] <Aislinn> that's the one, Prongs - thanks [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> and nymph [20:37] <Pellinore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes this is the name of the 100 eyed Giant ... seems more appropriate to filtch [20:38] <Aislinn> the hundred eyes is reminiscent of his seeming to always know when something is going on in the castle [20:38] <Pellinore> doh.. day late and a dolar short  [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> lol Pell [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think about the Weasley names, which have quite a history? [20:38] <Aislinn> Percival, as mentioned before [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> I lot of them are very 'royal' [20:38] <Pellinore> all of their 1st names? [20:38] <Poet> Many of them are tied to the Arthurian myths [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> they are all royal names [20:39] <Aislinn> Arthur - King Arthur [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> from English history, and from the Arthurian legends [20:39] <Aislinn> William is an old English name [20:39] <CarpeDiem> And "Mollywobbles" that's just cute...how can you not love that? smile [20:39] <Poet> Ginny's name is Italian for the wife of King Arthur [20:39] <mollywobbles23> William the Conqueror comes to mind. [20:39] <Aislinn> Ginevra- Guienivere [20:39] <Pellinore> Moly (Greek: μῶλυ) is a magic herb with a black root and white blossoms in Greek mythology. In Homer's Odyssey, Hermes gave this herb to Odysseus to protect him from Circe's incantation.Plucked only by celestial hands [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> molly is a pet name for mary [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> yeah the Ginny - Ginevra connection is cool [20:40] <nympheart> molly is a from of mary which means "beloved" or "loved" in Egyptian [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> Fredercik is an old German royal name [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> *Frederick [20:40] <nympheart> I hate the Ginny-Guienivere thing actually, Ginny is nothing like Guien (and that's a good thing) [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> and of course Charles and George have been kinds of England [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> kings [20:41] * DumbleDebbie can not type tonight [20:41] <Pellinore> so has William (Bill) [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its interesting that 3 of the Weasleys Arthur, Percy and Ginny have Arthurian name [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> William and Charles are both names of royals [20:41] <Aislinn> I think I read somewhere that Ronald was the name of King Arthur's spear [20:41] <mollywobbles23> oooh [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> The names are all so thoroughly British. [20:41] <Aislinn> they are [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> really? cool Aislinn [20:41] <fawkes28> i thought Ronald was also an assistant to a king [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I had heard that Aislinn [20:41] <Poet> Except that Arthur pulled the sword out of the stone and became the wife of the chosen one (wink) - a little like Harry [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> and of course there is Percival [20:42] <nympheart> Percy is from Percival which is Welsh with an "unknown meaning" [20:42] <Poet> Ginny becomes the wife.... [20:42] <ProngsPatronus> Ronald is the english version of Ragnvald [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Percy will live up to his name after all [20:42] <ProngsPatronus> which was a royal name in scandinavia [20:42] <mollywobbles23> unknown meaning...cool. his loyalty is unknown. [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> cool Prongs [20:42] <Aislinn> Called Rhongomynyad (cutting-spear) in the Mabinogion. While Geoffrey of Monmouth more familiarly calls the spear Ron and describes it in the following way. "A spear called Ron graced his right hand: long, broad in the blade and thirsty for slaughter." In the Welsh Triads the spear is one of the "sacred weapons that God had given him (Arthur)". [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Percival in arthurian legend went against his mother [20:43] <Pellinore> According to many sources, Arthur broke the sword pulled from the stone while fighting King Pellinore.... that'll teach'm to strike a nice guy ;o [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> well, he's got that bit down Sooner [20:43] <Poet> So Ron is like the right hand of Harry (right-hand man) [20:43] <nympheart> I didn't remember that sooner [20:43] <nympheart> lol pellinore [20:43] <Aislinn> exactly, poet! [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> wasn't Percival also the only one to find the Holy Grail? [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I should know because this is something we are working on for the next WeasleyCast wink [20:43] <Pellinore> Yea Perciful left to become a Knight, against his mother's wishes. [20:43] <nympheart> he was one of three, debbie [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> thanks nymph [20:44] <nympheart> Bors and Galahad were the others [20:44] <Pellinore> depends on the version of the myth DD... Perciful/Parziful/Perceval, Bors, Galahad [20:44] <ProngsPatronus> yes--pecival had to ask the question, "whom do you serve?" [20:44] <Pellinore> saruman ;) [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> interesting how all of that works out [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that's the question with Percy isn't it? [20:44] <ProngsPatronus> exactly [20:44] <Aislinn> it sure is [20:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1127770 [20:45] <ProngsPatronus> and it is the one Percy will have to ask himself if he is to be redeemed [20:45] <Aislinn> very true [20:45] <Pellinore> the mythalogical Percy was a wise innocent that knew right from wrong and did what was right even if that ment killing a knight of the round table. Got his 1st set of armor from the Red knight. [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> I'm still holding out hope for him [20:45] <ProngsPatronus> me, too [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> What kind of symbolism do we find in the names of the Black family members - Sirius, Regulus, Nymphadora, Andromeda, Narcissa, Bellatrix? [20:46] <Pellinore> constellations & stars [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> well, there's the star connection [20:46] <Aislinn> lots of astrological references [20:46] <ProngsPatronus> star names, for the most part [20:46] <nympheart> Narcissa-obviously narcissism [20:46] <MrMcGonagall> I've always liked Bella's name - War Maker. [20:46] <nympheart> Nymphadora means something like "gift of nymphs" [20:46] <Aislinn> very apt for her, Mr M [20:46] <Poet> So they all have mythological connections too - especially Sirius [20:46] <CarpeDiem> Yeah, that's good MrM [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I am mad I did not make the Sirius-dog connection [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> I love that Sirius is the brightest star in Canus Major [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:47] <Aislinn> that was one I got - the dog start [20:47] <Aislinn> or star [20:47] <Pellinore> Bella the star is part of the Orion constellation [20:47] <mollywobbles23> Did anyone read that essay about Bellatrix and the whole Bellatrix vs. Bella thing? [20:47] <ProngsPatronus> narcissa is the feminine of narcissus, which means sleep, or numbness [20:47] <Poet> Sirius signalled the start of the a certain season in Egypt's growing season. His return each year was important to them [20:47] <Pellinore> the upper left one (shoulder of the sword/club arm) [20:47] <Aislinn> pimping the Scribbulus essays again - there is one about all the astrological references that is very entertaining [20:47] <mollywobbles23> Sirius is, of course. the Dog Star.... [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> Regulus is the brightest star in Leo [20:48] <Expelliarmas> narcissa also refers to being self-absorbed [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> that is pretty cool [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> I believe it was the start of the Nile flood, poet [20:48] <mollywobbles23> Leo = lion [20:48] <Poet> right Prong [20:48] <mollywobbles23> hmmm [20:48] <fawkes28> it all ties back to Scribby wink [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> yes, molly exactly [20:48] <CarpeDiem> lol fawkes [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> where does Nymphadora fit into this? [20:48] <mollywobbles23> forest nymphs? [20:48] <mollywobbles23> I don't know, lol [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> don't know [20:49] <nympheart> andromeda means "to think of a man" which was her crime [20:49] <Pellinore> hmm.. bellatrix is latin for Amazon [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> maybe her name is different b/c she's on a 'disowned' branch? [20:49] <MrMcGonagall> tonks does hate her name. [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> gift of nymphs--but we have seen that creatures who are mythological in the Mundane world show up in the magical one [20:49] <nympheart> "dora" is "gift" so "gift of nymphs" [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> interesting [20:49] <mollywobbles23> yeah, with Tonks we should probably look more to her surname since that's what she prefers. [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> cool nymph [20:50] <fawkes28> that is interesting, nymph [20:50] * nympheart can proudly admit that she thought of that herself [20:50] <ProngsPatronus> bellatrix is also the name of a star [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> Remus Lupin. Okay, be honest and admit it. Did you guess the significance of his name or not? [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> woot nymph! [20:50] <mollywobbles23> nope [20:50] <Pellinore> Rosemary Tonks was born in London[2] and educated at Wentworth School, London. Expelled in 1948, she published a children's story in the same year. She married aged 19, and the couple moved to Karachi, where she began to write poetry. Attacks of typhoid and polio forced a return to England. She later lived briefly in Paris.[3] [20:50] <Aislinn> yes [20:50] <ProngsPatronus> yes [20:50] <Aislinn> both names [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I totally missed it [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> missed it at 1st Sooner [20:50] <mollywobbles23> not until after it was revealed [20:50] <Poet> Yea, Lupin definitely reminded me of the moon [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> I'll admit it [20:50] <Aislinn> remus for romulus and remus and Lupin for wolf [20:51] <mollywobbles23> then I was like "oooh!!!" *slap forehead* [20:51] <Poet> I didn't know the stories of the twins though [20:51] <nympheart> no, I knew Remus was the brother of Romulus, but when I was 12 I didn't know the raised by wolves part [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> my excuse though is that I was reading the books one right after the other and did not stop to speculate on it [20:51] <MrMcGonagall> Remus made sense to me once we discovered he was a werewolf. [20:51] <Aislinn> It didn't make me realize what he was though laugh [20:51] <Pellinore> both parts of his name refered to a wolf [20:51] <nympheart> but I kicked myself afterwards because for some strange reason, I didn't know at that age lupin is latin for wolf [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> in my defense I was driving from Maine to PEI the 1st time I heard PoA LOL [20:51] <nympheart> *did know [20:51] <fawkes28> me either, aislinn [20:51] <ProngsPatronus> interesting that both he and minerva have roman names--the trend seems to be greek for most of the others [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> so I was a bit preoccupied wink [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> except filius [20:52] <fawkes28> although now i should have realized while i read it [20:52] <mollywobbles23> when I read a book for the first time I'm focused more on the plot than little things [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> his name just jumped out at me [20:52] <Aislinn> I tend not to think about the names while I'm reading the first time either molly [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> as being about wolves [20:52] <Pellinore> half the fun is trying to figure out what might happen based on the clues ;o [20:52] <CarpeDiem> I knew the name but associated it with Rome...the two twins supposedly founded Rome. [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> when Snape assigned the essay, I knew [20:52] <Pellinore> i thought it was a red herring at 1st. [20:52] <mollywobbles23> No, I went the "why is he afraid of crystal balls?" route [20:53] <Aislinn> I wondered why she had used such an obvious reference to wolves, but it still blew over my head [20:53] <Pellinore> hehe, i didn't get the moon thing either [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> now we've all learned our lesson and analyze the stuffing out of every new name we see in an HP book [20:53] <CarpeDiem> She's so good at that. Laying out the clues for you but you don't see them until AFTER the fact...when Hermione tells you so smile [20:54] <nympheart> exactly debbie [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> What about some of the Ministry officials: Cornelius Fudge, Dolores Umbridge, Rufus Scrimgeour? [20:54] <MrMcGonagall> Love these names. Love them [20:54] <mollywobbles23> Fudge = fudge the truth [20:54] <Pellinore> Fudge... to lie or missrepresent the truth [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> 'Fudge' is the perfect name for a politician [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Umbridge's name is perfect [20:54] <Tanaqui> rufus is red-haired...but i usually think of a dog [20:54] <ProngsPatronus> someone who falsifies work [20:54] <Aislinn> Umbridge - umbrage [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> yes, we all take umbrage with Umbridge [20:55] <nympheart> politics is an interesting word "poly" for "many" and "ticks" for "blood-sucking creatures" [20:55] <Aislinn> they are wonderful names, I agree Mr M [20:55] <ProngsPatronus> lol@ nymph [20:55] <CarpeDiem> lol nymph [20:55] <Tanaqui> cornelius means 'horn' ... which leads me nowhere... [20:55] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:55] <ProngsPatronus> someone who is dolorous means sad [20:55] <Aislinn> horn of fudge? [20:55] <Aislinn> LOL [20:56] <Tanaqui> mmmm.... [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> what does 'scrimgeour' mean? [20:56] <Pellinore> J.K. Rowling may have drawn the name Scrimgeour from the poem 'To Mr James Scrymgeour, Dundee' by William Topaz McGonagall, widely hailed as the worst poet in the English language and from whom Rowling also derived the name of Hogwarts's deputy Headmistress Minerva McGonagall. [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> lol, awesome Pell, thanks! [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Are there any potions or spells that you feel have particularly unusual or perplexing names? [20:56] <mollywobbles23> rufus = red haired [20:56] <Aislinn> Most members of the Clan spell their name as above, but in many cases (including the Chief, the Earl of Dundee) it is spelt with a 'y'. Other forms (e.g. Scrimjer. Scrim) are known, but unusual. The names Scrimshire & Scrimshaw, found in England are possibly of different origin. (For more information on Skrymshers etc see http://members.shaw.ca/skrymsher/ for more on Scrimshaw etc see www.gumnut.net/scrimshaw ). [20:56] <Pellinore> np ;) [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the wingardium leviosa spell [20:57] <fawkes28> me too [20:57] <Tanaqui> that one is fun to say [20:57] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:57] <Pellinore> er, most of them.. i'd be lucky to remember them let alone be able to pronounce them. [20:57] <fawkes28> she puts such thought into her names for everything - i love it [20:57] <CarpeDiem> lol Pellinore "widely hailed as the worst poet in the English language"? [20:57] <Aislinn> I love the way Dale has Hermione say it on the audio book [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> Horcrux is a very interesting one. hor = time, crux = cross. It's like defeating linear time. [20:57] <Pellinore> that was a cut and paste from Wikipedia fyi ;) [20:58] <nympheart> felix felcius [20:58] <ProngsPatronus> fidelius [20:58] <CarpeDiem> I like that MrM [20:58] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that one is cool nymph [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, I think fidelius charm is quite telling [20:58] <Pellinore> interesting concept MrM [20:58] <Aislinn> mine is a cut and paste from http://www.scrimgeourclan.org.uk/ [20:58] <Tanaqui> i like amortentia--'amor' meaning 'love' [20:58] <ProngsPatronus> and my favourite--Avada Kedavra [20:58] <CarpeDiem> Expecto Patronum - expext a protector [20:58] <DumbleDebbie> that is a clever one Prongs [20:58] <Pellinore> haha.. i skipped over that one... thought it was a site from a friend of mine. [20:59] <ProngsPatronus> root of abracadabra [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> But Prongs would never use it. [20:59] * mollywobbles23 has that song "Abracadabra" running through head now [20:59] <Poet> let the thing be destroyed [20:59] <ProngsPatronus> absolutely not [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> Let the thing before me be destroyed. [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> lol molly [20:59] <ProngsPatronus> *sigh* Expect Patronem [20:59] <ProngsPatronus> o [21:00] <mollywobbles23> Draught of the Living Death is just intriguing [21:00] <fawkes28> Thanks for the great chat everyone! smile [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> wow guys, we are at the end of our time here [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> in a class of its own [21:00] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [21:00] <Aislinn> great chat! [21:00] <mollywobbles23> oh no! [21:00] <Aislinn> thanks everyone [21:00] <Pellinore> well that was fun ;o [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> what-over so soon? [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> time to go finish packing, have a good rest of March folks smile [21:00] <Tanaqui> awwwww [21:00] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, everybody! [21:00] <Joyhawk2121> good chat thanks [21:00] <mollywobbles23> love you guys! [21:00] <nympheart> bye! [21:00] <Aislinn> you too debbie [21:00] <CarpeDiem> Great chat all...thanks! [21:00] <Pellinore> > wave [21:00] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> bye everyone [21:00] <hrh7> Thanks! [21:00] <Tanaqui> it was a great chat...when i was actually able to be here [21:00] *** Tanaqui left #lounge [] [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> *sniff* [21:00] <mollywobbles23> bye [21:00] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> bye, y'all [21:00] <mollywobbles23> hug [21:00] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> group hug! [21:01] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [21:01] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [21:01] *** Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] [21:01] *** mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [21:01] *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by fawkes28: Mar 7 2007, 10:23 PM -------------------- |
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