WWW Corner Booth Transcript: Mar 14, 2007, Neville Longbottom - Such a sweetie! |
 Mar 14 2007, 08:58 PM
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[19:00] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:00] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:00] <futureweasley> hi cbm! [19:00] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:01] <futureweasley> hey Aislinn, Fawkes [19:01] <futureweasley> welcome, welcome [19:01] <Aislinn> hello! [19:01] <futureweasley> I'm excited that I can get in the booth today! Woot! [19:01] <Aislinn> I got in, but have huge lag [19:02] <futureweasley> oh no! [19:02] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [19:02] <futureweasley> hi Chocolate [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> +v [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ? [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ahhh [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> test? [19:03] <cbm> HI [19:03] <futureweasley> hello [19:03] <futureweasley> sorry [19:03] <fawkes28> now you can type smile [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> there i am! [19:03] <futureweasley> good grief [19:03] <cbm> much better [19:03] <futureweasley> sometimes we forget [19:03] <futureweasley> :-( [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi all smile [19:03] <cbm> did not want you to think I was being rude sad [19:03] <fawkes28> awww [19:03] <futureweasley> LOL, you?! Never [19:03] <fawkes28> you are only rude about snape! laugh [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [19:03] <futureweasley> seriously [19:03] <fawkes28> just kidding! [19:04] <cbm> It did look like I was ignoring all of the nice people here [19:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> omg - i'm totally obsessed with snape this week - i usually stay away from that strange man smile [19:04] *** RavenclawKitsune has joined #lounge [19:04] *** Dreamteam has joined #lounge [19:04] <futureweasley> hi Ravenclaw? [19:04] <futureweasley> ! [19:04] <futureweasley> lol [19:04] <Aislinn> well, we're not talking about him much tonight, chocolate smile [19:04] <cbm> I have been obsessed with him also, but that is normal for me [19:04] <futureweasley> not a question...a definite welcome! [19:04] *** danielk has joined #lounge [19:04] <fawkes28> yes, it will be a nice chat on Neville [19:04] <RavenclawKitsune> Ello sry im late ^^ [19:05] <futureweasley> not late...just in time [19:05] <futureweasley> hi daniel [19:05] <RavenclawKitsune> yayness! [19:05] <danielk> hello [19:05] <danielk> so anything neville today? [19:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey dk [19:05] <danielk> hi [19:05] <futureweasley> we are showing our Neville love today [19:05] <Aislinn> the topic is Neville, yes, and we'll start the questions at quarter past [19:05] <futureweasley> which I'm extremely excited about, as he's one of my favorite characters! [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> neville makes my heart melt [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm reading GoF right now [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and he just comes alive [19:06] <danielk> i just started listening to the new pottercast (well sort of new i guess) [19:06] <RavenclawKitsune> i have mixed opinions on Nev... [19:07] <futureweasley> you do?! cool! I can't wait to talk about them...we'll start with the questions in about 9 minutes [19:07] <RavenclawKitsune> exceptally after book 5 [19:07] <futureweasley> I love opinions [19:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [19:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> too much blue/purple going on smile [19:07] <futureweasley> I missed your entrance! Hi Dreamteam [19:07] <fawkes28> ok i will add some color [19:07] <futureweasley> lol [19:07] <danielk> same [19:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe [19:07] <danielk> :) [19:08] <futureweasley> daniel's got MrM's pea soup color....awww, I miss MrM [19:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm settling now [19:08] <danielk> it's mine now!! [19:08] <Aislinn> so, how is everyone tonight/this afternoon/whenever it is where you are? [19:08] <futureweasley> Geniuses prefer green Chocolate, good choice [19:08] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, well, as a designer, i assessed the current hue scheme, and green stood out the most [19:09] <futureweasley> we have beautiful weather in Michigan! I'm geeked [19:09] <RavenclawKitsune> im in Florida the sun is gone lol [19:09] <fawkes28> me too, future! [19:09] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:09] <futureweasley> Mid sixties...heatwave! [19:09] <fawkes28> it went up to 80 here today [19:09] <futureweasley> that's crazy, fawkes! [19:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ohio - we had 75 and sunny yesterday, and it'll be snowing tomorrow... I love Ohio... [19:09] <RavenclawKitsune> ouch... [19:10] <futureweasley> wow, whereabouts in OH? [19:10] <futureweasley> if you don't mind me asking... [19:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Columbus [19:10] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:10] <Aislinn> 80 - wow, that's crazy [19:10] * futureweasley loves Columbus [19:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i won't stalk you if you won't stalk me [19:10] <futureweasley> deal [19:10] <futureweasley> lol [19:10] <fawkes28> i went out on a nice long walk today [19:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, you been to columbus a lot? [19:10] <futureweasley> actually, yes [19:10] <fawkes28> because tomorrow it is supposed to snow [19:11] <fawkes28> can you believe that? from 80 degrees to snowing? madness [19:11] <cbm> Snow? [19:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, same here fawkes smile are you in michigan? [19:11] <futureweasley> I used to be in Columbus twice a year...we would meet my Grandparents there...it's half way between their house and ours [19:11] <RavenclawKitsune> next thing u know dementer will be at your door asking for tea... [19:11] <futureweasley> lol [19:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's crazy here this weekend... NCAA is playing at the arena, which is next door to my design agency... 20,000 people are going to be vying for my parking spot [19:12] <fawkes28> nope, in philly [19:12] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:12] <fawkes28> and i have to be at a parent open house tomorrow night at work - so i am not looking forward to the snow [19:12] <RavenclawKitsune> the parking stop scramble... sounds fun [19:13] <RavenclawKitsune> lot** [19:13] <futureweasley> holy schmoly chocolate...NCAA in Columbus...I forgot [19:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah lol it's a pretty hot city... i'm falling in love with it pretty quick [19:14] <Aislinn> did you just recently move there chocolate? [19:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, i'm interning here until next friday, then school in cincy, then back up here in June [19:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and then POTTER JULY! [19:15] <futureweasley> let's get started, shall we? [19:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:15] <futureweasley> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:15] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <Aislinn> Neville Longbottom, round faced, forgetful, and a bit bumbling, has been a constant part of Harry's world since he took that first ride on the Hogwarts Express. He has been raised by his formidable grandmother after his parents were tortured into insanity by Bella, Crouch jr. and other Death Eaters. [19:16] <Aislinn> His family was afraid he was a squib until he was 8 years old, but we learn from Dumbledore in OotP that Neville could have been the Chosen One instead of Harry, depending on who Lord Voldemort decided to "mark as his equal" Let’s talk about this damaged but lovable character. [19:16] <Aislinn> Neville is depicted as a shy and insecure sort of kid, especially in the early books. Why do you think he was sorted into Gryffindor? [19:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol sorry [19:17] <cbm> He hass the ability to be brave, look at his charge into the death room in the DoM [19:17] <Dreamteam> The Sorting Hat sees potential and Neville has potential for bravery [19:17] <fawkes28> I don't think you always have to outwardly show that you are brave to be sorted into Gryffindor [19:17] <cbm> I think the hat was correct [19:17] <futureweasley> he's got bravery in spades...he shows us that when push comes to shove, he stands his ground...he does that from jump street [19:17] <danielk> yeah look at the creevey bros [19:17] <danielk> they dont seem brave [19:17] <RavenclawKitsune> i would say he has inner courage [19:17] <danielk> but neville has shown bravery [19:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think he, like harry, might've made the choice. He knew he wanted to prove himself, and was willing to be at the bottom of the barrel in talent, so to say, in order to prove himself to his gran [19:18] <Dreamteam> He stood up to his friends whichi DD says takes more courage than standing up to your enemies [19:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and to his parent's memory [19:18] <Aislinn> yes, ravenclaw - it seems a quiet and more thoughtful sort of bravery than the kind that Harry has [19:18] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree with that choco [19:18] <fawkes28> to be a quiet person, does not mean that person is not brave [19:18] <RavenclawKitsune> so tru .. [19:18] <fawkes28> everyone shows bravery at different times and in different ways [19:19] <Dreamteam> He also took on Crabbe and Goyle [19:19] <RavenclawKitsune> not all bravery is bold [19:19] <Dreamteam> and didn't shirk from going into the forest after Harry and Hermione [19:19] <Aislinn> Is bravery the only quality that makes someone a Gryffindor, though? [19:19] <cbm> I think you would have to be brave to show up in potions class every day with the way the teacher treated him [19:19] <fawkes28> exactly, ravenclaw [19:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that when choice is in the picture, Aislinn, it's less about true character and more about desired character [19:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> being surrounded by bravery has helped made him brave, maybe [19:20] <cbm> I think that bravery is important and needed to become a gryffindor [19:20] <RavenclawKitsune> aislinn- like sylterin, gryffindor is prejugded [19:20] <Aislinn> you think that the hat puts people in the house that they envision themselves as having the qualities of? [19:20] <Aislinn> wow - that was really poor grammar laugh [19:20] <futureweasley> bravery is what Gryffindor stands for...it's not only important...it's essential [19:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha, it's okay aislinn [19:20] <RavenclawKitsune> tehe sry [19:20] <Dreamteam> I don't think they can always recognise it in themselves but the hat can [19:21] <cbm> I don't think so aislinn because I highly doubt neville ever thought of himself as brave [19:21] <futureweasley> excellent point Dreamteam [19:21] <fawkes28> i disagree, chocolate - i think neville always had bravery in him [19:21] <Dreamteam> there are different types of bravery - physical, moral bravery etc [19:21] <Aislinn> right, dreamteam - I don't think that Neville thought of himself as having the Gryffindor qualities [19:21] <Dreamteam> I think he surprised himself [19:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's why I think it's more desired character [19:21] <RavenclawKitsune> i think Neville sort of believe what his grandma told him so he doesnt think he is that brave [19:22] <Dreamteam> but finding that he is brave perhaps encouraged him to take on more later [19:22] <Aislinn> Neville’s family feared he was a squib early on. Do you think that he is truly marginal in his wizarding skills, or are there other reasons he has struggled with magic? [19:22] <futureweasley> I'd like to start by saying that I don't like the "memory charm" theory [19:22] <danielk> neither do i [19:22] <cbm> I think that his grandmother by always putting him down has supressed his magical ability [19:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that the emotional impact of his childhood suppressed it... just like tonks was affected [19:22] <fawkes28> I don't see him as always being marginal actually [19:22] <Dreamteam> Well he doesn't have his own wand which is a drawback [19:22] <fawkes28> Look at what happened when Lupin taught him [19:22] <danielk> he does now [19:22] <futureweasley> I think that Neville struggles with self-confidence...he's not fighting against magic...he's fighting against himself [19:23] <danielk> after DoM [19:23] <Aislinn> that's what I think too, future [19:23] <fawkes28> all a student like Neville needs is praise and encouragement [19:23] <cbm> I saw him as marginal until OotP due to his lack of confidence [19:23] <Dreamteam> I think his lack of confidence affected his ability [19:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, fawkes [19:23] <fawkes28> When certain teachers, treat him poorly, his confidence and abilities suffer [19:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ron is to Quidditch as Neville is to Magic [19:23] <RavenclawKitsune> people handle pressure differently, maybe like his teenage self he might not work well under pressure [19:23] <Aislinn> I think that a wizard has to be able to focus/concentrate on the spell, and that there needs to be a certain force of mind brought to bear [19:23] <Aislinn> I think it's hard for Neville to have the confidence for that early on in the series [19:24] <Dreamteam> Yes, but I think small successes helped him to build on his abilities [19:24] <Dreamteam> and increased his confidence [19:24] <RavenclawKitsune> well it is hard to have confidence if no one really believes in u [19:24] <fawkes28> see I knew from when he stood up to his friends that he had all of this bravery in him and that it would be some time before it came out [19:24] <futureweasley> well, he's been told his whole life that he doesn't "stack up"...and I think years of that mind of emotional wear and tear have got to catch up with a person..."I'm no one with nothing" [19:24] <cbm> I think it is hard to have confidence in yourself when no one else has confidence in you [19:24] <fawkes28> i think so too, cbm [19:25] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [19:25] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly future, just like what Ron went through with quidditch... he's always been second to harry and his brothers, so was hard for him to be confident in his ability [19:25] <fawkes28> he does have much confidence and i am sure he hears all of these voices in his head telling him he cant do it [19:25] <Aislinn> hi Tanaqui, sooner [19:25] <futureweasley> hi tanaqui and sooner [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> hello [19:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi sooner! [19:25] <Tanaqui> greetings [19:25] <RavenclawKitsune> well that goes also with what Ron saw in the mirror [19:26] <Dreamteam> Yes, if you're told it often enough you begin to believe it [19:26] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [19:26] <futureweasley> self-confidence and adolescent boy wizards is obviously few and far between [19:26] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [19:26] <fawkes28> hi cloudpic [19:26] <cloudpic> Love Neville! Hi, all [19:26] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:26] <Aislinn> Neville’s parents were Aurors, which requires extensive wizarding skill – do you think that he has inherited any of this from them? [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> of course [19:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, was that a command, cloud? Love neville, or else! [19:26] <cbm> I do now, especially after the DA [19:26] <Dreamteam> Yes, I think he'll surprise everyone in DH [19:27] <Dreamteam> but was disappointed not to see more of him in HBP [19:27] <futureweasley> I love watching Neville come into his own... [19:27] <fawkes28> I don't think he will be exactly like his parents - i dont think any child is [19:27] <cloudpic> I think he has... but that lack of confidence and someone else's wand held him back [19:27] <Aislinn> yes, cbm, I think we really started to see Neville come more into himself in OotP [19:27] <cloudpic> LOL... it was, chocolate! [19:27] <futureweasley> he has these skills and works so hard...much like I can see his parents doing [19:27] <fawkes28> i think he will have a shining moment but i dont foresee him as an Auror [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Neville has always had the talent, he just didn't know he had it [19:27] <fawkes28> I dont think he would want that job [19:27] <Dreamteam> No I think he'll become the next Herbology teacher [19:27] <fawkes28> his heart is with herbology [19:27] <RavenclawKitsune> hmm im not sure... i mean look how many yrs he didnt really do much in anything but Herbology [19:28] <futureweasley> he won't be an auror...he can't because he only got an "A" in Potions [19:28] *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge [19:28] <Aislinn> he did well enough to go on to Charms and DADA NEWTs [19:28] <cloudpic> hmmm... or he might be good as a healer with that background [19:28] <futureweasley> wasn't able to move up to NEWT [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think he has to work harder to get to his potential, and his skills have just developed differently than everyone else's [19:28] <fawkes28> hi memyslfnI [19:28] <RavenclawKitsune> i dont think he has the skills for Auror training [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> hello me [19:28] <danielk> i think many of you are over esitmating neville a bit, in his abilities [19:28] <Aislinn> hi Me [19:28] <danielk> even in DoM and the DA [19:28] <futureweasley> charms...that's right [19:28] <fawkes28> i agree, chocolate [19:28] <memyslfnI> hey all1 [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, people are talking to themselves... must mean ME's here! [19:28] <danielk> he was essentially medicore, except for part o fthe time [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville is extremely talented [19:28] <Tanaqui> i tend to think since he doesn't necessarily aspire to be an auror, he probably won't push himself to discover talents other than herbology and charms [19:28] <danielk> he, i believe got exceeds in his DADA owl=, but so did everyone in the DA [19:29] <cloudpic> Think of how well Neville did in the DA... [19:29] <fawkes28> Neville does very well - given the right circumstances [19:29] <danielk> at least that is what is led to believe [19:29] <RavenclawKitsune> then again look at Tonks... [19:29] <Dreamteam> I'm not sure he has the temperament to be an auror [19:29] <cloudpic> Yes, fawkes [19:29] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has joined #lounge [19:29] <Aislinn> which showed he had the ability to learn it, daniel [19:29] *** Shard has joined #lounge [19:29] <futureweasley> hi ravenclaws [19:29] <danielk> he has potential sure, but he is medicore in skill [19:29] <futureweasley> hi shard [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly cannot see Neville as an auror either [19:29] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi guys! [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Shard [19:29] <memyslfnI> hey Shard! [19:29] <Aislinn> Hi Ravenclaws_Heir , Shard [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hello RH [19:29] <Tanaqui> but as far as inherited genes or skills, that might be [19:29] <Tanaqui> he just may not use them [19:29] <Shard> Hello! [19:29] <cloudpic> Living up to his parents' level of talent doesn't mean he'd have to be an Auror [19:29] <memyslfnI> what was the question? [19:29] <RavenclawKitsune> daneil- potential cant make up for skill [19:30] <Ravenclaws_Heir> What's the question right now? [19:30] <cbm> s [19:30] <cbm> When he was taught properly, he did well and showed excellent skill [19:30] <Aislinn> very true, cloudpic [19:30] <cloudpic> Yes, cbm [19:30] <Shard> Exac;lty CBM [19:30] <danielk> yes, i understand this but he hasnt shown much anyways [19:30] <Shard> I think Neville has alot of talent [19:30] <cloudpic> Helped getting that new wand [19:30] <danielk> after the DA in the DoM, he did fairly poorly [19:30] <Aislinn> We're talking about the fact that Neville's parents were apparently skilled wizards, and whether Neville inherited that, Me [19:30] <danielk> he was very brave [19:30] <danielk> but he missed lots of spells [19:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he needs the right teacher - no strict McG or "breathe down the neck" Snape [19:30] <RavenclawKitsune> cmb- but that was only how many yrs out of his hogwarts carrer [19:30] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Thanks Aislinn [19:30] <Shard> It's just he's had horrible teachers like Snape, and then his grandmother lording over him making him feel like he was a squib [19:31] <Aislinn> yes, Shard, I think he has been very sensitive to the negative criticism he has received from so many in his life [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Neville excelled in Lupin's class, with the Boggart... Lupin instilled in him such confidence [19:31] <cloudpic> Realistically, parental talent isn't necessarily inherited... but I see evidence that Neville might surprise especially himslefr [19:31] <fawkes28> i feel Neville is one of those students, who would do extremely well if he could just specialize in one area [19:31] <cloudpic> *himself [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville is one of those people who needs positive reinforcement and he excels [19:31] <memyslfnI> I think he does have the potential to be a skilled wizard. But he was put down because he was a late bloomer that they never expected anythink of him. he grew up believing he was "nobody" [19:31] <Aislinn> It isn't necessarily inherited, cloudpic, but I think that it can be [19:32] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Magical ability is not always genetic. eg: Squibs and Muggle Borns. I never found it strange that Nebille didn't get his parents abilities [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree me [19:32] <cloudpic> Oh, I agree, memyslfnI... yes, Aislinn, and I hope it was! [19:32] <RavenclawKitsune> u cant really say its all his Grandma's fault, Harry grew up in a worse inviroment [19:32] <Shard> I agree Sooner [19:32] <Shard> Neville has had so much negtiveity about himself he had LOW self esteem [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> very low [19:32] <Shard> When teachers like Lupin and even Harry are around they can help him reach his potential much better [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but Harry knew better than to believe the Dursleys, RK [19:33] <Dreamteam> But Neveille grew up knowing he was a wizard but believing he was without talent [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think lol [19:33] <futureweasley> the difference, RavenclawKit, is what the person is "made of"...what kind of steel their gut is made from [19:33] <fawkes28> very true, shard [19:33] <cloudpic> True, Shard... his grandmum was so disappointed to lose a child... [19:33] <Ravenclaws_Heir> That's true, shard [19:33] <Dreamteam> Harry never knew he was a wizard until later [19:33] <Aislinn> Neville has been a loner through the school years. Why do you think that is? [19:33] <memyslfnI> I don't think it was all his grandmoter's fault either. His uncle I am sure played a part and there was also living up to the memory of his parents. [19:33] <Shard> It should be remembered that when Harry taught the DA the Sheild Charm, Neville was only second top Hermione, which means he beat the likes of the Twins, Ginny, and Ron [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because he's socially awkward [19:33] <Aislinn> yes Me, I would agree with that [19:33] <Shard> I think Neville has a bad rep [19:33] <futureweasley> and I think that disappointment kills quicker than indifference, which is what Harry fought with the Dursleys [19:33] <RavenclawKitsune> future- call me Kit lol [19:33] <fawkes28> I don't think his grandmom provided him any opportunities to socialize [19:33] <futureweasley> ok Kit [19:33] <futureweasley> lol [19:33] <cloudpic> Raised by an elderly gran... no confidence, he doesn't radiate self assurance nor does he know how to fit in [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he's the homeschooled kid! [19:34] <Tanaqui> some people prefer being by themselves and i see neville as one who needs his alone time [19:34] <cbm> I think he was never around kids his own age [19:34] <fawkes28> you can always tell the students who have not socialzed much [19:34] <memyslfnI> interesting, Shard that it was the shield charm...a defensive charm he mastered quickly [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> testing [19:34] <Shard> I really feel bad for Neville here [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> see ya sooner [19:34] <Shard> Hey SG I see you [19:34] <Shard> I mean I think he really wants to be Harry's friend and not because he's the famous Potter boy [19:34] <cloudpic> I don't think Neville was especially unhappy in his role as outsider... [19:34] <Shard> Like COlin [19:34] <futureweasley> some kids are not graced with social presence [19:34] <Aislinn> I think that has a lot oto do with it, cbm [19:34] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has quit [Bye] [19:34] <Shard> I agree FW [19:35] <fawkes28> i don't think so either, cloudpic [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, I need to type this gain then.... I think that Neville and Harry are very much alike in their personalities [19:35] <cloudpic> Yes! Oh, Shard, that's so true and it's one of the things I love about Neville [19:35] <Aislinn> He seems to have been raised by the generation older than his parents [19:35] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree [19:35] <Dreamteam> some people are just comfortable with their own company and don't need others [19:35] <futureweasley> no confidence to put yourself out there and MAKE friends [19:35] <Aislinn> we're going to talk about that in more detail later, sooner smile [19:35] <memyslfnI> I never considered Neville a loner! I have to re read! [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> oops [19:35] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:35] <fawkes28> right future - because trying to make friends is a risk [19:35] <memyslfnI> could we consider HArry the "might have been"? [19:35] <futureweasley> when he asked Ginny Weasley to the Yule Ball, I almost fell out of my chair...so uncharacteristic of him....but shows that his social skills were growing and sharpening [19:35] <Dreamteam> because this is Harry's story, maybe Neville had friendships that we just didn't see [19:35] <memyslfnI> oops I mean Neville! [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha aww future... yeah [19:36] <Shard> I know Cloudpic, I think Neville has loyatly to the Trio when Neville attacked Grabbe and Goyle in PS while Ron took on Drack [19:36] <Shard> Draco [19:36] <fawkes28> that is a good point, dreamteam [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Nevile was an only child and it looks like he lived in a world of adults. I can see where he would want to stick to himself [19:36] <cloudpic> It seemed like any time there was a group activity... Neville was the trio's tag-along... I don't think there were other friends [19:36] <cbm> Just like Ginny had other friendships we did not know about [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I was thinking that too, dream... by HBP it seems like NEville and Luna are together a lot [19:36] <Shard> Shows that Neville is and always was a Gryffindor to me [19:36] <RavenclawKitsune> Herimoe was like Neville's first friend [19:36] <Tanaqui> right, sooner, one of those kids who grew up too quickly [19:36] <Shard> I know what you mean SG [19:36] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, we never really see him with anyone besides the Trio [19:37] <cloudpic> But they mention Ginny with other friends... though Ginny clearly befriended Neville [19:37] <Shard> I agree CBM we dont follow all of Nev's intereactions, but he doesnt seem to have any close friends for a long time [19:37] <fawkes28> some people are just introverted and they are happy just the way they are - i see neville as that way [19:37] <memyslfnI> I do too Fawkes! [19:37] <Aislinn> I do too, fawkes - I think that he is naturally a loner [19:37] <Shard> Yes Neville is definatly introverted [19:37] <RavenclawKitsune> fawkes- i see it as partly how he is [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> the funny thing is that Neville seems perfectly content not to have a huge circle of friend. I thnk that he is happy being a loner for the most part [19:37] <Dreamteam> self-sufficent [19:37] <memyslfnI> I think his expectations of himself are low. He doesn't strive to be the best at anything but Herbology. [19:38] <RavenclawKitsune> so tru [19:38] <futureweasley> just a side note: Not all only children turn out to be social trainwrecks [19:38] <Shard> True SG, but I think humans need some companionship, I thinik Neville is one of those that would like a few close friends and be happy with that [19:38] <futureweasley> case in point...me...as in ME [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [19:38] <fawkes28> true, memyslfnI , he knows his strengths and sticks to them - a smart way to go [19:38] <Dreamteam> He comes alive more when talking about his mimbletonia [19:38] <memyslfnI> I agree Shard [19:38] <RavenclawKitsune> as am i future [19:38] <Aislinn> What impact do you think living with his grandmother has had on Neville? [19:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I disagree wiht the introverted... I think he's the kind of person who really finds out who he is and what he believes by being with other people... being alone has only taught him that he doesn't measure up, but being around others, the DA especially, has showed him his worth and ability [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree, but I think that being a loner doesnt bother him as much as t would bother other people [19:38] <Shard> I think it made him doubt himseld [19:39] <futureweasley> nearly catostrophic [19:39] <Shard> That he should be like his father [19:39] <cbm> It shaped him [19:39] <Shard> Exactly FW [19:39] <cloudpic> I like that chocolate [19:39] <cloudpic> Well said [19:39] <Dreamteam> maybe made him grow up faster than his years [19:39] <fawkes28> i think any child suffers without being raised by their parents - even if she was the best person in the world [19:39] <futureweasley> I didn't know if he had the type of character to rebound [19:39] <memyslfnI> He is out of touch with the wizard youth of today. Even his pet is out of fashion. (Poor trevor!) [19:39] <Aislinn> she was not the temperament that suited his, in terms of nurture [19:39] <Shard> I was so happy with what McG said, she SHOULD be happy with the grandson she has then the one she wants [19:39] <cloudpic> Gran was the reason for his lack of confidence [19:39] <Dreamteam> she seems to be quite domineering [19:39] <Shard> Now that I think aobut it it almost seems like Augusta rather have Harry as a son [19:39] <RavenclawKitsune> then again at what age did he start to go see his parent at Mungo's [19:39] <Aislinn> and she is so busy trying to compare him to his father, to Neville's detrimment, that I think it really impacted his self esteem [19:40] <Shard> I agree Aislinn [19:40] <Aislinn> exactly Shard [19:40] <cbm> I think that her circle of friends limited his contact to people his age, and then she was so negative to him all of the time, [19:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> We can't blame her too much... she didn't expect to have to raise another child, and is dealing with her own loss of a child. My parents are in the "grandparent" stage now, and it'd be SO hard for them to be parents again [19:40] <Aislinn> I loved when McGonagall said that to him [19:40] <Tanaqui> in real life a lot of grandparents don't really want to have to 'do it again' (parenting) because so many things change... [19:40] <Shard> His whole family treated him like he was a Muggle for so long he didn't feel like he should eve be at Hogwarts [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Augusta is an example of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. I truly think she loves Neville, but she is going about it all wrong [19:40] <cloudpic> Hard to live up to people who are on such high pedestals.... but his gran had a terrible blow [19:40] <Aislinn> it's not easy, chocolate, but it is unfair to take it out on the child [19:40] <Aislinn> He didn't ask to be a burden on her [19:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree, aislinn [19:41] <futureweasley> she was really hard on him...and I don't think that anyone should be made to fill impossible footsteps [19:41] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think she has ever seen him as a burden [19:41] <cloudpic> yes, Sooner... she's just clumsey [19:41] <Shard> I'm not completely hard on her Chocolate, biut I am now thinking that once Parents become grandparents they shouldbn't have to raise children [19:41] <Tanaqui> yes chocolate--that's what i was getting at! a grandparent using what s/he knows, which may not be best for the child [19:41] <memyslfnI> I also think that sher lived in a time when Children were seen and not heard. They were treated like mini adults. [19:41] <Shard> It's a shame that Augusta had to [19:41] <fawkes28> I think it was tough love and she may not have even realized what it was doing to him [19:41] <Aislinn> I think she has an unrealistic view of what he is "supposed" to be [19:41] <cloudpic> Nor do I... but losing his parents in such a terrible way before age 2... [19:41] <Aislinn> a carbon copy of the son she raised [19:41] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn..exactly [19:41] <RavenclawKitsune> every generation is different [19:41] <cloudpic> And she lost the son she was thrilled with... [19:41] <cloudpic> So hard. [19:41] <fawkes28> some people have really high expectations and she suffered the loss of her son - she never got over that [19:41] <Shard> Exaclty Aislinn, I think she transfered her way of rasiing Frank on to Neville and it didnt' work [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> she just suffered a horrible blow in the loss of her son. Like Sirius was trying to find James through Harry, I think she was sometimes trying to find her son through Neville [19:42] <cloudpic> Yes, fawkes. [19:42] <Shard> Maybe because his father had a different personality then Neville [19:42] <Dreamteam> good point Sooner [19:42] <cloudpic> Oh, good comparison sooner [19:42] <Tanaqui> neville didn't have a positive male role model, either, being raised by his gran 'only' [19:42] <Aislinn> I think that's true Sooner [19:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> good one sooner [19:42] <Shard> Thats an excellent point Sooner [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks smile [19:42] <Aislinn> It had a definite negative impact on poor Neville, whatever her reasons [19:42] <memyslfnI> yes Tanaqui! the only make was crazy uncle Alphard! [19:43] <Shard> The first time I think Neville really gets a good role model is with Lupin [19:43] <memyslfnI> who threw him out a window [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> yes. I feel bad for her because of what she suffered [19:43] <Tanaqui> exactly [19:43] <Aislinn> and off a pier into a lake, Me [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> she just did not have the proper parenting skills to handle it [19:43] <Shard> It was difficult for all concerned [19:43] <Aislinn> Why do you think Neville didn’t tell his classmates about his parents? [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> yet another reason it really upsets me that there are no counselors in the wizarding world [19:43] <futureweasley> in turn, losing someone...one never really "loses" them. Sirius reminds us as such. And Augusta had (before the DoM) 13 years to understand that Neville was not Frank [19:44] <Aislinn> very true, future [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville did not want the pity [19:44] <Dreamteam> Too embarrassed and maybe thought they would make fun of him [19:44] <fawkes28> it's personal [19:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's private... [19:44] <Tanaqui> how on earth was he to explain it? [19:44] <cbm> His lack of confidence and I think he did not want to be pitied [19:44] <fawkes28> how would one start a conversation about that anyway? [19:44] <futureweasley> I think he was a little embarassed...and he is very private [19:44] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, I don't think he felt safe enough to be open with other kids [19:44] <memyslfnI> Look how easily gossip spreads. I bet Draco would have tortured him with it [19:44] <Shard> He didn't want to be signled out that way just look at poor Harry [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Draco would have had a field day, the git [19:44] <futureweasley> I think he thought he would be mercilessly teased by the Slytherins [19:44] <Shard> I think it was his own pain to deal with as well, going with the Introvertness [19:44] <Dreamteam> He's not the sort of person to court attention [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed shard [19:44] <fawkes28> yes, memyslfnI - it would have really hurt him - he would not be able to get over people making fun of him for that [19:44] <Tanaqui> i think he also wanted to protect his parents--even the memory of what they used to be [19:45] <futureweasley> which, we find out, he can hold his own against such tauntings [19:45] <memyslfnI> good point Tanaqui [19:45] <Tanaqui> how many knew they were aurors fighting voldemort and what happened? [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point tanaqui [19:45] <RavenclawKitsune> he probably got enough pity without adding that to his plate [19:45] <Aislinn> that's a great point tanaque [19:45] <fawkes28> but i dont think he could have handled it in the first year - because it was so personal [19:45] <Tanaqui> right, he was only 11 [19:45] <memyslfnI> Poor kid. Complete role reversal. they were like toddlers and he was the parent [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I had a grandfather who suffered Parkinson's. I'm glad that when it got down to the end that a lot of people did not see him. It did not do his memory justice to be in that state for all to see [19:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think it was important, literarily, for HArry to be mature enough to recognize that Neville deserved more pity than he did, and that Neville's situation was another tragic result of Voldemort's reign of terror [19:46] <futureweasley> I think that all the Longbottoms have left is their integrity...and Neville talking about their current state pokes a huge hole in tat [19:46] <futureweasley> *that [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that might be why everyone keeps so hush on Frank and Alice. Best to remember who they were [19:46] <Shard> I agree with SG, FW and Chocolate [19:46] <cbm> tat is true fw [19:46] <Aislinn> it was an important thing for Harry, chocolate, ou're right [19:46] <futureweasley> people want to remember them as heros...not as victims [19:47] <Aislinn> his natural empathy kicked in [19:47] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree future [19:47] <memyslfnI> good point! remember their deeds! [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> yes chocolate. Had Harry known all along, it would not have packed the same wallop [19:47] <Shard> Even in their state it seemed Alice sorta knew Neville was there, giving him that wrapper. So sad to have to see that, and Harry was respectful of that [19:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> their story is so SAD! i'm sorry, but my goodness... i couldn't imagine a worse fate. one of Dumbledore's "fate worse than death" [19:47] <Aislinn> it was heartbreaking, shard [19:47] <futureweasley> right, me....their deeds, not their needs now that everything has "played out" [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how all of the Weasley kids, Harry and Hermione resected that [19:47] <memyslfnI> maternal love will shine through, even a little bit [19:48] <futureweasley> Sooner...the Weasleys were raised right...I expected nothing less from that lot [19:48] <Aislinn> Why do you think Neville tried to stop the Trio when they were on their way to rescue the Philosopher’s stone in the first book? [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> He thought he was doing the rght thing [19:48] <futureweasley> moral duty [19:48] <Dreamteam> He didn't want any more trouble for Gryffindor [19:48] <Tanaqui> neville was a 'by the book' kind of kid at that point [19:48] <memyslfnI> I agree SG [19:48] <fawkes28> because he didnt want gryffindor to lose more points - i think he also wanted to make sure they were safe [19:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he remembered that 3 headed dog... [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I would have done the same thing in his shoes with what he knew [19:49] *** danielk has quit [Bye] [19:49] <RavenclawKitsune> well he didnt want them to get in trouble [19:49] <cbm> I think he was trying to protect his house [19:49] <Shard> Because Neville felt it was the right thing to do, he had no idea what they were doing and for all he knew up to no good. He had thought they were "friends" but when he thought they hgad lied to him he wanted to stand up for what he felt was right [19:49] *** animaguscow has joined #lounge [19:49] <Aislinn> hi animaguscow [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> hello animagus [19:49] <futureweasley> I'm not sure how he knew that they were leaving that night...I wonder if it was a lucky guess, or if he was "tipped off" [19:49] <Shard> Hi Animaguscow [19:49] <Aislinn> we're talking about why Neville tried to stop the Trio when they were going after the Philosopher's Stone [19:49] <animaguscow> hi everyone [19:49] <RavenclawKitsune> shard- i agree [19:50] <Shard> Thats a good question FW [19:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, they had gotten HIM into trouble earlier with Norbert, which led his punishment going into the dark forest [19:50] <Shard> Maybve theres more to Trevor then meets the eye [19:50] <Shard> Or maybe Neville had just visited his parents and couldn't sleep [19:50] <memyslfnI> Shard, do you think he's sitting on a few chicken eggs? [19:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> you're killing me shard [19:50] <fawkes28> that is interesting shard This post has been edited by futureweasley: Mar 14 2007, 08:59 PM |
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