WWW Corner Booth Transcript: Mar 14, 2007, Neville Longbottom - Such a sweetie! |
 Mar 14 2007, 08:58 PM
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[19:00] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:00] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:00] <futureweasley> hi cbm! [19:00] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:01] <futureweasley> hey Aislinn, Fawkes [19:01] <futureweasley> welcome, welcome [19:01] <Aislinn> hello! [19:01] <futureweasley> I'm excited that I can get in the booth today! Woot! [19:01] <Aislinn> I got in, but have huge lag [19:02] <futureweasley> oh no! [19:02] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [19:02] <futureweasley> hi Chocolate [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> +v [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ? [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ahhh [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> test? [19:03] <cbm> HI [19:03] <futureweasley> hello [19:03] <futureweasley> sorry [19:03] <fawkes28> now you can type smile [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> there i am! [19:03] <futureweasley> good grief [19:03] <cbm> much better [19:03] <futureweasley> sometimes we forget [19:03] <futureweasley> :-( [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi all smile [19:03] <cbm> did not want you to think I was being rude sad [19:03] <fawkes28> awww [19:03] <futureweasley> LOL, you?! Never [19:03] <fawkes28> you are only rude about snape! laugh [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [19:03] <futureweasley> seriously [19:03] <fawkes28> just kidding! [19:04] <cbm> It did look like I was ignoring all of the nice people here [19:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> omg - i'm totally obsessed with snape this week - i usually stay away from that strange man smile [19:04] *** RavenclawKitsune has joined #lounge [19:04] *** Dreamteam has joined #lounge [19:04] <futureweasley> hi Ravenclaw? [19:04] <futureweasley> ! [19:04] <futureweasley> lol [19:04] <Aislinn> well, we're not talking about him much tonight, chocolate smile [19:04] <cbm> I have been obsessed with him also, but that is normal for me [19:04] <futureweasley> not a question...a definite welcome! [19:04] *** danielk has joined #lounge [19:04] <fawkes28> yes, it will be a nice chat on Neville [19:04] <RavenclawKitsune> Ello sry im late ^^ [19:05] <futureweasley> not late...just in time [19:05] <futureweasley> hi daniel [19:05] <RavenclawKitsune> yayness! [19:05] <danielk> hello [19:05] <danielk> so anything neville today? [19:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey dk [19:05] <danielk> hi [19:05] <futureweasley> we are showing our Neville love today [19:05] <Aislinn> the topic is Neville, yes, and we'll start the questions at quarter past [19:05] <futureweasley> which I'm extremely excited about, as he's one of my favorite characters! [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> neville makes my heart melt [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm reading GoF right now [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and he just comes alive [19:06] <danielk> i just started listening to the new pottercast (well sort of new i guess) [19:06] <RavenclawKitsune> i have mixed opinions on Nev... [19:07] <futureweasley> you do?! cool! I can't wait to talk about them...we'll start with the questions in about 9 minutes [19:07] <RavenclawKitsune> exceptally after book 5 [19:07] <futureweasley> I love opinions [19:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [19:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> too much blue/purple going on smile [19:07] <futureweasley> I missed your entrance! Hi Dreamteam [19:07] <fawkes28> ok i will add some color [19:07] <futureweasley> lol [19:07] <danielk> same [19:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe [19:07] <danielk> :) [19:08] <futureweasley> daniel's got MrM's pea soup color....awww, I miss MrM [19:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm settling now [19:08] <danielk> it's mine now!! [19:08] <Aislinn> so, how is everyone tonight/this afternoon/whenever it is where you are? [19:08] <futureweasley> Geniuses prefer green Chocolate, good choice [19:08] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, well, as a designer, i assessed the current hue scheme, and green stood out the most [19:09] <futureweasley> we have beautiful weather in Michigan! I'm geeked [19:09] <RavenclawKitsune> im in Florida the sun is gone lol [19:09] <fawkes28> me too, future! [19:09] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:09] <futureweasley> Mid sixties...heatwave! [19:09] <fawkes28> it went up to 80 here today [19:09] <futureweasley> that's crazy, fawkes! [19:09] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ohio - we had 75 and sunny yesterday, and it'll be snowing tomorrow... I love Ohio... [19:09] <RavenclawKitsune> ouch... [19:10] <futureweasley> wow, whereabouts in OH? [19:10] <futureweasley> if you don't mind me asking... [19:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Columbus [19:10] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:10] <Aislinn> 80 - wow, that's crazy [19:10] * futureweasley loves Columbus [19:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i won't stalk you if you won't stalk me [19:10] <futureweasley> deal [19:10] <futureweasley> lol [19:10] <fawkes28> i went out on a nice long walk today [19:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, you been to columbus a lot? [19:10] <futureweasley> actually, yes [19:10] <fawkes28> because tomorrow it is supposed to snow [19:11] <fawkes28> can you believe that? from 80 degrees to snowing? madness [19:11] <cbm> Snow? [19:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe, same here fawkes smile are you in michigan? [19:11] <futureweasley> I used to be in Columbus twice a year...we would meet my Grandparents there...it's half way between their house and ours [19:11] <RavenclawKitsune> next thing u know dementer will be at your door asking for tea... [19:11] <futureweasley> lol [19:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's crazy here this weekend... NCAA is playing at the arena, which is next door to my design agency... 20,000 people are going to be vying for my parking spot [19:12] <fawkes28> nope, in philly [19:12] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:12] <fawkes28> and i have to be at a parent open house tomorrow night at work - so i am not looking forward to the snow [19:12] <RavenclawKitsune> the parking stop scramble... sounds fun [19:13] <RavenclawKitsune> lot** [19:13] <futureweasley> holy schmoly chocolate...NCAA in Columbus...I forgot [19:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah lol it's a pretty hot city... i'm falling in love with it pretty quick [19:14] <Aislinn> did you just recently move there chocolate? [19:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, i'm interning here until next friday, then school in cincy, then back up here in June [19:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and then POTTER JULY! [19:15] <futureweasley> let's get started, shall we? [19:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:15] <futureweasley> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:15] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <Aislinn> Neville Longbottom, round faced, forgetful, and a bit bumbling, has been a constant part of Harry's world since he took that first ride on the Hogwarts Express. He has been raised by his formidable grandmother after his parents were tortured into insanity by Bella, Crouch jr. and other Death Eaters. [19:16] <Aislinn> His family was afraid he was a squib until he was 8 years old, but we learn from Dumbledore in OotP that Neville could have been the Chosen One instead of Harry, depending on who Lord Voldemort decided to "mark as his equal" Let’s talk about this damaged but lovable character. [19:16] <Aislinn> Neville is depicted as a shy and insecure sort of kid, especially in the early books. Why do you think he was sorted into Gryffindor? [19:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol sorry [19:17] <cbm> He hass the ability to be brave, look at his charge into the death room in the DoM [19:17] <Dreamteam> The Sorting Hat sees potential and Neville has potential for bravery [19:17] <fawkes28> I don't think you always have to outwardly show that you are brave to be sorted into Gryffindor [19:17] <cbm> I think the hat was correct [19:17] <futureweasley> he's got bravery in spades...he shows us that when push comes to shove, he stands his ground...he does that from jump street [19:17] <danielk> yeah look at the creevey bros [19:17] <danielk> they dont seem brave [19:17] <RavenclawKitsune> i would say he has inner courage [19:17] <danielk> but neville has shown bravery [19:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think he, like harry, might've made the choice. He knew he wanted to prove himself, and was willing to be at the bottom of the barrel in talent, so to say, in order to prove himself to his gran [19:18] <Dreamteam> He stood up to his friends whichi DD says takes more courage than standing up to your enemies [19:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and to his parent's memory [19:18] <Aislinn> yes, ravenclaw - it seems a quiet and more thoughtful sort of bravery than the kind that Harry has [19:18] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree with that choco [19:18] <fawkes28> to be a quiet person, does not mean that person is not brave [19:18] <RavenclawKitsune> so tru .. [19:18] <fawkes28> everyone shows bravery at different times and in different ways [19:19] <Dreamteam> He also took on Crabbe and Goyle [19:19] <RavenclawKitsune> not all bravery is bold [19:19] <Dreamteam> and didn't shirk from going into the forest after Harry and Hermione [19:19] <Aislinn> Is bravery the only quality that makes someone a Gryffindor, though? [19:19] <cbm> I think you would have to be brave to show up in potions class every day with the way the teacher treated him [19:19] <fawkes28> exactly, ravenclaw [19:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that when choice is in the picture, Aislinn, it's less about true character and more about desired character [19:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> being surrounded by bravery has helped made him brave, maybe [19:20] <cbm> I think that bravery is important and needed to become a gryffindor [19:20] <RavenclawKitsune> aislinn- like sylterin, gryffindor is prejugded [19:20] <Aislinn> you think that the hat puts people in the house that they envision themselves as having the qualities of? [19:20] <Aislinn> wow - that was really poor grammar laugh [19:20] <futureweasley> bravery is what Gryffindor stands for...it's not only important...it's essential [19:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha, it's okay aislinn [19:20] <RavenclawKitsune> tehe sry [19:20] <Dreamteam> I don't think they can always recognise it in themselves but the hat can [19:21] <cbm> I don't think so aislinn because I highly doubt neville ever thought of himself as brave [19:21] <futureweasley> excellent point Dreamteam [19:21] <fawkes28> i disagree, chocolate - i think neville always had bravery in him [19:21] <Dreamteam> there are different types of bravery - physical, moral bravery etc [19:21] <Aislinn> right, dreamteam - I don't think that Neville thought of himself as having the Gryffindor qualities [19:21] <Dreamteam> I think he surprised himself [19:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's why I think it's more desired character [19:21] <RavenclawKitsune> i think Neville sort of believe what his grandma told him so he doesnt think he is that brave [19:22] <Dreamteam> but finding that he is brave perhaps encouraged him to take on more later [19:22] <Aislinn> Neville’s family feared he was a squib early on. Do you think that he is truly marginal in his wizarding skills, or are there other reasons he has struggled with magic? [19:22] <futureweasley> I'd like to start by saying that I don't like the "memory charm" theory [19:22] <danielk> neither do i [19:22] <cbm> I think that his grandmother by always putting him down has supressed his magical ability [19:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that the emotional impact of his childhood suppressed it... just like tonks was affected [19:22] <fawkes28> I don't see him as always being marginal actually [19:22] <Dreamteam> Well he doesn't have his own wand which is a drawback [19:22] <fawkes28> Look at what happened when Lupin taught him [19:22] <danielk> he does now [19:22] <futureweasley> I think that Neville struggles with self-confidence...he's not fighting against magic...he's fighting against himself [19:23] <danielk> after DoM [19:23] <Aislinn> that's what I think too, future [19:23] <fawkes28> all a student like Neville needs is praise and encouragement [19:23] <cbm> I saw him as marginal until OotP due to his lack of confidence [19:23] <Dreamteam> I think his lack of confidence affected his ability [19:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, fawkes [19:23] <fawkes28> When certain teachers, treat him poorly, his confidence and abilities suffer [19:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ron is to Quidditch as Neville is to Magic [19:23] <RavenclawKitsune> people handle pressure differently, maybe like his teenage self he might not work well under pressure [19:23] <Aislinn> I think that a wizard has to be able to focus/concentrate on the spell, and that there needs to be a certain force of mind brought to bear [19:23] <Aislinn> I think it's hard for Neville to have the confidence for that early on in the series [19:24] <Dreamteam> Yes, but I think small successes helped him to build on his abilities [19:24] <Dreamteam> and increased his confidence [19:24] <RavenclawKitsune> well it is hard to have confidence if no one really believes in u [19:24] <fawkes28> see I knew from when he stood up to his friends that he had all of this bravery in him and that it would be some time before it came out [19:24] <futureweasley> well, he's been told his whole life that he doesn't "stack up"...and I think years of that mind of emotional wear and tear have got to catch up with a person..."I'm no one with nothing" [19:24] <cbm> I think it is hard to have confidence in yourself when no one else has confidence in you [19:24] <fawkes28> i think so too, cbm [19:25] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [19:25] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly future, just like what Ron went through with quidditch... he's always been second to harry and his brothers, so was hard for him to be confident in his ability [19:25] <fawkes28> he does have much confidence and i am sure he hears all of these voices in his head telling him he cant do it [19:25] <Aislinn> hi Tanaqui, sooner [19:25] <futureweasley> hi tanaqui and sooner [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> hello [19:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi sooner! [19:25] <Tanaqui> greetings [19:25] <RavenclawKitsune> well that goes also with what Ron saw in the mirror [19:26] <Dreamteam> Yes, if you're told it often enough you begin to believe it [19:26] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [19:26] <futureweasley> self-confidence and adolescent boy wizards is obviously few and far between [19:26] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [19:26] <fawkes28> hi cloudpic [19:26] <cloudpic> Love Neville! Hi, all [19:26] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:26] <Aislinn> Neville’s parents were Aurors, which requires extensive wizarding skill – do you think that he has inherited any of this from them? [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> of course [19:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, was that a command, cloud? Love neville, or else! [19:26] <cbm> I do now, especially after the DA [19:26] <Dreamteam> Yes, I think he'll surprise everyone in DH [19:27] <Dreamteam> but was disappointed not to see more of him in HBP [19:27] <futureweasley> I love watching Neville come into his own... [19:27] <fawkes28> I don't think he will be exactly like his parents - i dont think any child is [19:27] <cloudpic> I think he has... but that lack of confidence and someone else's wand held him back [19:27] <Aislinn> yes, cbm, I think we really started to see Neville come more into himself in OotP [19:27] <cloudpic> LOL... it was, chocolate! [19:27] <futureweasley> he has these skills and works so hard...much like I can see his parents doing [19:27] <fawkes28> i think he will have a shining moment but i dont foresee him as an Auror [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Neville has always had the talent, he just didn't know he had it [19:27] <fawkes28> I dont think he would want that job [19:27] <Dreamteam> No I think he'll become the next Herbology teacher [19:27] <fawkes28> his heart is with herbology [19:27] <RavenclawKitsune> hmm im not sure... i mean look how many yrs he didnt really do much in anything but Herbology [19:28] <futureweasley> he won't be an auror...he can't because he only got an "A" in Potions [19:28] *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge [19:28] <Aislinn> he did well enough to go on to Charms and DADA NEWTs [19:28] <cloudpic> hmmm... or he might be good as a healer with that background [19:28] <futureweasley> wasn't able to move up to NEWT [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think he has to work harder to get to his potential, and his skills have just developed differently than everyone else's [19:28] <fawkes28> hi memyslfnI [19:28] <RavenclawKitsune> i dont think he has the skills for Auror training [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> hello me [19:28] <danielk> i think many of you are over esitmating neville a bit, in his abilities [19:28] <Aislinn> hi Me [19:28] <danielk> even in DoM and the DA [19:28] <futureweasley> charms...that's right [19:28] <fawkes28> i agree, chocolate [19:28] <memyslfnI> hey all1 [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, people are talking to themselves... must mean ME's here! [19:28] <danielk> he was essentially medicore, except for part o fthe time [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville is extremely talented [19:28] <Tanaqui> i tend to think since he doesn't necessarily aspire to be an auror, he probably won't push himself to discover talents other than herbology and charms [19:28] <danielk> he, i believe got exceeds in his DADA owl=, but so did everyone in the DA [19:29] <cloudpic> Think of how well Neville did in the DA... [19:29] <fawkes28> Neville does very well - given the right circumstances [19:29] <danielk> at least that is what is led to believe [19:29] <RavenclawKitsune> then again look at Tonks... [19:29] <Dreamteam> I'm not sure he has the temperament to be an auror [19:29] <cloudpic> Yes, fawkes [19:29] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has joined #lounge [19:29] <Aislinn> which showed he had the ability to learn it, daniel [19:29] *** Shard has joined #lounge [19:29] <futureweasley> hi ravenclaws [19:29] <danielk> he has potential sure, but he is medicore in skill [19:29] <futureweasley> hi shard [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly cannot see Neville as an auror either [19:29] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi guys! [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Shard [19:29] <memyslfnI> hey Shard! [19:29] <Aislinn> Hi Ravenclaws_Heir , Shard [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hello RH [19:29] <Tanaqui> but as far as inherited genes or skills, that might be [19:29] <Tanaqui> he just may not use them [19:29] <Shard> Hello! [19:29] <cloudpic> Living up to his parents' level of talent doesn't mean he'd have to be an Auror [19:29] <memyslfnI> what was the question? [19:29] <RavenclawKitsune> daneil- potential cant make up for skill [19:30] <Ravenclaws_Heir> What's the question right now? [19:30] <cbm> s [19:30] <cbm> When he was taught properly, he did well and showed excellent skill [19:30] <Aislinn> very true, cloudpic [19:30] <cloudpic> Yes, cbm [19:30] <Shard> Exac;lty CBM [19:30] <danielk> yes, i understand this but he hasnt shown much anyways [19:30] <Shard> I think Neville has alot of talent [19:30] <cloudpic> Helped getting that new wand [19:30] <danielk> after the DA in the DoM, he did fairly poorly [19:30] <Aislinn> We're talking about the fact that Neville's parents were apparently skilled wizards, and whether Neville inherited that, Me [19:30] <danielk> he was very brave [19:30] <danielk> but he missed lots of spells [19:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he needs the right teacher - no strict McG or "breathe down the neck" Snape [19:30] <RavenclawKitsune> cmb- but that was only how many yrs out of his hogwarts carrer [19:30] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Thanks Aislinn [19:30] <Shard> It's just he's had horrible teachers like Snape, and then his grandmother lording over him making him feel like he was a squib [19:31] <Aislinn> yes, Shard, I think he has been very sensitive to the negative criticism he has received from so many in his life [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Neville excelled in Lupin's class, with the Boggart... Lupin instilled in him such confidence [19:31] <cloudpic> Realistically, parental talent isn't necessarily inherited... but I see evidence that Neville might surprise especially himslefr [19:31] <fawkes28> i feel Neville is one of those students, who would do extremely well if he could just specialize in one area [19:31] <cloudpic> *himself [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville is one of those people who needs positive reinforcement and he excels [19:31] <memyslfnI> I think he does have the potential to be a skilled wizard. But he was put down because he was a late bloomer that they never expected anythink of him. he grew up believing he was "nobody" [19:31] <Aislinn> It isn't necessarily inherited, cloudpic, but I think that it can be [19:32] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Magical ability is not always genetic. eg: Squibs and Muggle Borns. I never found it strange that Nebille didn't get his parents abilities [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree me [19:32] <cloudpic> Oh, I agree, memyslfnI... yes, Aislinn, and I hope it was! [19:32] <RavenclawKitsune> u cant really say its all his Grandma's fault, Harry grew up in a worse inviroment [19:32] <Shard> I agree Sooner [19:32] <Shard> Neville has had so much negtiveity about himself he had LOW self esteem [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> very low [19:32] <Shard> When teachers like Lupin and even Harry are around they can help him reach his potential much better [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but Harry knew better than to believe the Dursleys, RK [19:33] <Dreamteam> But Neveille grew up knowing he was a wizard but believing he was without talent [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think lol [19:33] <futureweasley> the difference, RavenclawKit, is what the person is "made of"...what kind of steel their gut is made from [19:33] <fawkes28> very true, shard [19:33] <cloudpic> True, Shard... his grandmum was so disappointed to lose a child... [19:33] <Ravenclaws_Heir> That's true, shard [19:33] <Dreamteam> Harry never knew he was a wizard until later [19:33] <Aislinn> Neville has been a loner through the school years. Why do you think that is? [19:33] <memyslfnI> I don't think it was all his grandmoter's fault either. His uncle I am sure played a part and there was also living up to the memory of his parents. [19:33] <Shard> It should be remembered that when Harry taught the DA the Sheild Charm, Neville was only second top Hermione, which means he beat the likes of the Twins, Ginny, and Ron [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because he's socially awkward [19:33] <Aislinn> yes Me, I would agree with that [19:33] <Shard> I think Neville has a bad rep [19:33] <futureweasley> and I think that disappointment kills quicker than indifference, which is what Harry fought with the Dursleys [19:33] <RavenclawKitsune> future- call me Kit lol [19:33] <fawkes28> I don't think his grandmom provided him any opportunities to socialize [19:33] <futureweasley> ok Kit [19:33] <futureweasley> lol [19:33] <cloudpic> Raised by an elderly gran... no confidence, he doesn't radiate self assurance nor does he know how to fit in [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he's the homeschooled kid! [19:34] <Tanaqui> some people prefer being by themselves and i see neville as one who needs his alone time [19:34] <cbm> I think he was never around kids his own age [19:34] <fawkes28> you can always tell the students who have not socialzed much [19:34] <memyslfnI> interesting, Shard that it was the shield charm...a defensive charm he mastered quickly [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> testing [19:34] <Shard> I really feel bad for Neville here [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> see ya sooner [19:34] <Shard> Hey SG I see you [19:34] <Shard> I mean I think he really wants to be Harry's friend and not because he's the famous Potter boy [19:34] <cloudpic> I don't think Neville was especially unhappy in his role as outsider... [19:34] <Shard> Like COlin [19:34] <futureweasley> some kids are not graced with social presence [19:34] <Aislinn> I think that has a lot oto do with it, cbm [19:34] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has quit [Bye] [19:34] <Shard> I agree FW [19:35] <fawkes28> i don't think so either, cloudpic [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, I need to type this gain then.... I think that Neville and Harry are very much alike in their personalities [19:35] <cloudpic> Yes! Oh, Shard, that's so true and it's one of the things I love about Neville [19:35] <Aislinn> He seems to have been raised by the generation older than his parents [19:35] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree [19:35] <Dreamteam> some people are just comfortable with their own company and don't need others [19:35] <futureweasley> no confidence to put yourself out there and MAKE friends [19:35] <Aislinn> we're going to talk about that in more detail later, sooner smile [19:35] <memyslfnI> I never considered Neville a loner! I have to re read! [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> oops [19:35] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:35] <fawkes28> right future - because trying to make friends is a risk [19:35] <memyslfnI> could we consider HArry the "might have been"? [19:35] <futureweasley> when he asked Ginny Weasley to the Yule Ball, I almost fell out of my chair...so uncharacteristic of him....but shows that his social skills were growing and sharpening [19:35] <Dreamteam> because this is Harry's story, maybe Neville had friendships that we just didn't see [19:35] <memyslfnI> oops I mean Neville! [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha aww future... yeah [19:36] <Shard> I know Cloudpic, I think Neville has loyatly to the Trio when Neville attacked Grabbe and Goyle in PS while Ron took on Drack [19:36] <Shard> Draco [19:36] <fawkes28> that is a good point, dreamteam [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Nevile was an only child and it looks like he lived in a world of adults. I can see where he would want to stick to himself [19:36] <cloudpic> It seemed like any time there was a group activity... Neville was the trio's tag-along... I don't think there were other friends [19:36] <cbm> Just like Ginny had other friendships we did not know about [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I was thinking that too, dream... by HBP it seems like NEville and Luna are together a lot [19:36] <Shard> Shows that Neville is and always was a Gryffindor to me [19:36] <RavenclawKitsune> Herimoe was like Neville's first friend [19:36] <Tanaqui> right, sooner, one of those kids who grew up too quickly [19:36] <Shard> I know what you mean SG [19:36] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, we never really see him with anyone besides the Trio [19:37] <cloudpic> But they mention Ginny with other friends... though Ginny clearly befriended Neville [19:37] <Shard> I agree CBM we dont follow all of Nev's intereactions, but he doesnt seem to have any close friends for a long time [19:37] <fawkes28> some people are just introverted and they are happy just the way they are - i see neville as that way [19:37] <memyslfnI> I do too Fawkes! [19:37] <Aislinn> I do too, fawkes - I think that he is naturally a loner [19:37] <Shard> Yes Neville is definatly introverted [19:37] <RavenclawKitsune> fawkes- i see it as partly how he is [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> the funny thing is that Neville seems perfectly content not to have a huge circle of friend. I thnk that he is happy being a loner for the most part [19:37] <Dreamteam> self-sufficent [19:37] <memyslfnI> I think his expectations of himself are low. He doesn't strive to be the best at anything but Herbology. [19:38] <RavenclawKitsune> so tru [19:38] <futureweasley> just a side note: Not all only children turn out to be social trainwrecks [19:38] <Shard> True SG, but I think humans need some companionship, I thinik Neville is one of those that would like a few close friends and be happy with that [19:38] <futureweasley> case in point...me...as in ME [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [19:38] <fawkes28> true, memyslfnI , he knows his strengths and sticks to them - a smart way to go [19:38] <Dreamteam> He comes alive more when talking about his mimbletonia [19:38] <memyslfnI> I agree Shard [19:38] <RavenclawKitsune> as am i future [19:38] <Aislinn> What impact do you think living with his grandmother has had on Neville? [19:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I disagree wiht the introverted... I think he's the kind of person who really finds out who he is and what he believes by being with other people... being alone has only taught him that he doesn't measure up, but being around others, the DA especially, has showed him his worth and ability [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree, but I think that being a loner doesnt bother him as much as t would bother other people [19:38] <Shard> I think it made him doubt himseld [19:39] <futureweasley> nearly catostrophic [19:39] <Shard> That he should be like his father [19:39] <cbm> It shaped him [19:39] <Shard> Exactly FW [19:39] <cloudpic> I like that chocolate [19:39] <cloudpic> Well said [19:39] <Dreamteam> maybe made him grow up faster than his years [19:39] <fawkes28> i think any child suffers without being raised by their parents - even if she was the best person in the world [19:39] <futureweasley> I didn't know if he had the type of character to rebound [19:39] <memyslfnI> He is out of touch with the wizard youth of today. Even his pet is out of fashion. (Poor trevor!) [19:39] <Aislinn> she was not the temperament that suited his, in terms of nurture [19:39] <Shard> I was so happy with what McG said, she SHOULD be happy with the grandson she has then the one she wants [19:39] <cloudpic> Gran was the reason for his lack of confidence [19:39] <Dreamteam> she seems to be quite domineering [19:39] <Shard> Now that I think aobut it it almost seems like Augusta rather have Harry as a son [19:39] <RavenclawKitsune> then again at what age did he start to go see his parent at Mungo's [19:39] <Aislinn> and she is so busy trying to compare him to his father, to Neville's detrimment, that I think it really impacted his self esteem [19:40] <Shard> I agree Aislinn [19:40] <Aislinn> exactly Shard [19:40] <cbm> I think that her circle of friends limited his contact to people his age, and then she was so negative to him all of the time, [19:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> We can't blame her too much... she didn't expect to have to raise another child, and is dealing with her own loss of a child. My parents are in the "grandparent" stage now, and it'd be SO hard for them to be parents again [19:40] <Aislinn> I loved when McGonagall said that to him [19:40] <Tanaqui> in real life a lot of grandparents don't really want to have to 'do it again' (parenting) because so many things change... [19:40] <Shard> His whole family treated him like he was a Muggle for so long he didn't feel like he should eve be at Hogwarts [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Augusta is an example of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. I truly think she loves Neville, but she is going about it all wrong [19:40] <cloudpic> Hard to live up to people who are on such high pedestals.... but his gran had a terrible blow [19:40] <Aislinn> it's not easy, chocolate, but it is unfair to take it out on the child [19:40] <Aislinn> He didn't ask to be a burden on her [19:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree, aislinn [19:41] <futureweasley> she was really hard on him...and I don't think that anyone should be made to fill impossible footsteps [19:41] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think she has ever seen him as a burden [19:41] <cloudpic> yes, Sooner... she's just clumsey [19:41] <Shard> I'm not completely hard on her Chocolate, biut I am now thinking that once Parents become grandparents they shouldbn't have to raise children [19:41] <Tanaqui> yes chocolate--that's what i was getting at! a grandparent using what s/he knows, which may not be best for the child [19:41] <memyslfnI> I also think that sher lived in a time when Children were seen and not heard. They were treated like mini adults. [19:41] <Shard> It's a shame that Augusta had to [19:41] <fawkes28> I think it was tough love and she may not have even realized what it was doing to him [19:41] <Aislinn> I think she has an unrealistic view of what he is "supposed" to be [19:41] <cloudpic> Nor do I... but losing his parents in such a terrible way before age 2... [19:41] <Aislinn> a carbon copy of the son she raised [19:41] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn..exactly [19:41] <RavenclawKitsune> every generation is different [19:41] <cloudpic> And she lost the son she was thrilled with... [19:41] <cloudpic> So hard. [19:41] <fawkes28> some people have really high expectations and she suffered the loss of her son - she never got over that [19:41] <Shard> Exaclty Aislinn, I think she transfered her way of rasiing Frank on to Neville and it didnt' work [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> she just suffered a horrible blow in the loss of her son. Like Sirius was trying to find James through Harry, I think she was sometimes trying to find her son through Neville [19:42] <cloudpic> Yes, fawkes. [19:42] <Shard> Maybe because his father had a different personality then Neville [19:42] <Dreamteam> good point Sooner [19:42] <cloudpic> Oh, good comparison sooner [19:42] <Tanaqui> neville didn't have a positive male role model, either, being raised by his gran 'only' [19:42] <Aislinn> I think that's true Sooner [19:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> good one sooner [19:42] <Shard> Thats an excellent point Sooner [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks smile [19:42] <Aislinn> It had a definite negative impact on poor Neville, whatever her reasons [19:42] <memyslfnI> yes Tanaqui! the only make was crazy uncle Alphard! [19:43] <Shard> The first time I think Neville really gets a good role model is with Lupin [19:43] <memyslfnI> who threw him out a window [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> yes. I feel bad for her because of what she suffered [19:43] <Tanaqui> exactly [19:43] <Aislinn> and off a pier into a lake, Me [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> she just did not have the proper parenting skills to handle it [19:43] <Shard> It was difficult for all concerned [19:43] <Aislinn> Why do you think Neville didn’t tell his classmates about his parents? [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> yet another reason it really upsets me that there are no counselors in the wizarding world [19:43] <futureweasley> in turn, losing someone...one never really "loses" them. Sirius reminds us as such. And Augusta had (before the DoM) 13 years to understand that Neville was not Frank [19:44] <Aislinn> very true, future [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville did not want the pity [19:44] <Dreamteam> Too embarrassed and maybe thought they would make fun of him [19:44] <fawkes28> it's personal [19:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's private... [19:44] <Tanaqui> how on earth was he to explain it? [19:44] <cbm> His lack of confidence and I think he did not want to be pitied [19:44] <fawkes28> how would one start a conversation about that anyway? [19:44] <futureweasley> I think he was a little embarassed...and he is very private [19:44] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, I don't think he felt safe enough to be open with other kids [19:44] <memyslfnI> Look how easily gossip spreads. I bet Draco would have tortured him with it [19:44] <Shard> He didn't want to be signled out that way just look at poor Harry [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Draco would have had a field day, the git [19:44] <futureweasley> I think he thought he would be mercilessly teased by the Slytherins [19:44] <Shard> I think it was his own pain to deal with as well, going with the Introvertness [19:44] <Dreamteam> He's not the sort of person to court attention [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed shard [19:44] <fawkes28> yes, memyslfnI - it would have really hurt him - he would not be able to get over people making fun of him for that [19:44] <Tanaqui> i think he also wanted to protect his parents--even the memory of what they used to be [19:45] <futureweasley> which, we find out, he can hold his own against such tauntings [19:45] <memyslfnI> good point Tanaqui [19:45] <Tanaqui> how many knew they were aurors fighting voldemort and what happened? [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point tanaqui [19:45] <RavenclawKitsune> he probably got enough pity without adding that to his plate [19:45] <Aislinn> that's a great point tanaque [19:45] <fawkes28> but i dont think he could have handled it in the first year - because it was so personal [19:45] <Tanaqui> right, he was only 11 [19:45] <memyslfnI> Poor kid. Complete role reversal. they were like toddlers and he was the parent [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I had a grandfather who suffered Parkinson's. I'm glad that when it got down to the end that a lot of people did not see him. It did not do his memory justice to be in that state for all to see [19:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think it was important, literarily, for HArry to be mature enough to recognize that Neville deserved more pity than he did, and that Neville's situation was another tragic result of Voldemort's reign of terror [19:46] <futureweasley> I think that all the Longbottoms have left is their integrity...and Neville talking about their current state pokes a huge hole in tat [19:46] <futureweasley> *that [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that might be why everyone keeps so hush on Frank and Alice. Best to remember who they were [19:46] <Shard> I agree with SG, FW and Chocolate [19:46] <cbm> tat is true fw [19:46] <Aislinn> it was an important thing for Harry, chocolate, ou're right [19:46] <futureweasley> people want to remember them as heros...not as victims [19:47] <Aislinn> his natural empathy kicked in [19:47] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree future [19:47] <memyslfnI> good point! remember their deeds! [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> yes chocolate. Had Harry known all along, it would not have packed the same wallop [19:47] <Shard> Even in their state it seemed Alice sorta knew Neville was there, giving him that wrapper. So sad to have to see that, and Harry was respectful of that [19:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> their story is so SAD! i'm sorry, but my goodness... i couldn't imagine a worse fate. one of Dumbledore's "fate worse than death" [19:47] <Aislinn> it was heartbreaking, shard [19:47] <futureweasley> right, me....their deeds, not their needs now that everything has "played out" [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how all of the Weasley kids, Harry and Hermione resected that [19:47] <memyslfnI> maternal love will shine through, even a little bit [19:48] <futureweasley> Sooner...the Weasleys were raised right...I expected nothing less from that lot [19:48] <Aislinn> Why do you think Neville tried to stop the Trio when they were on their way to rescue the Philosopher’s stone in the first book? [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> He thought he was doing the rght thing [19:48] <futureweasley> moral duty [19:48] <Dreamteam> He didn't want any more trouble for Gryffindor [19:48] <Tanaqui> neville was a 'by the book' kind of kid at that point [19:48] <memyslfnI> I agree SG [19:48] <fawkes28> because he didnt want gryffindor to lose more points - i think he also wanted to make sure they were safe [19:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he remembered that 3 headed dog... [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I would have done the same thing in his shoes with what he knew [19:49] *** danielk has quit [Bye] [19:49] <RavenclawKitsune> well he didnt want them to get in trouble [19:49] <cbm> I think he was trying to protect his house [19:49] <Shard> Because Neville felt it was the right thing to do, he had no idea what they were doing and for all he knew up to no good. He had thought they were "friends" but when he thought they hgad lied to him he wanted to stand up for what he felt was right [19:49] *** animaguscow has joined #lounge [19:49] <Aislinn> hi animaguscow [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> hello animagus [19:49] <futureweasley> I'm not sure how he knew that they were leaving that night...I wonder if it was a lucky guess, or if he was "tipped off" [19:49] <Shard> Hi Animaguscow [19:49] <Aislinn> we're talking about why Neville tried to stop the Trio when they were going after the Philosopher's Stone [19:49] <animaguscow> hi everyone [19:49] <RavenclawKitsune> shard- i agree [19:50] <Shard> Thats a good question FW [19:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, they had gotten HIM into trouble earlier with Norbert, which led his punishment going into the dark forest [19:50] <Shard> Maybve theres more to Trevor then meets the eye [19:50] <Shard> Or maybe Neville had just visited his parents and couldn't sleep [19:50] <memyslfnI> Shard, do you think he's sitting on a few chicken eggs? 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[19:50] <Shard> Thats a good question FW
[19:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, they had gotten HIM into trouble earlier with Norbert, which led his punishment going into the dark forest [19:50] <Shard> Maybve theres more to Trevor then meets the eye [19:50] <Shard> Or maybe Neville had just visited his parents and couldn't sleep [19:50] <memyslfnI> Shard, do you think he's sitting on a few chicken eggs? [19:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> you're killing me shard [19:50] <fawkes28> that is interesting shard [19:51] <fawkes28> with the second point [19:51] <futureweasley> I think he only visits his parents on the holidays [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Neville really thought they had betrayed him [19:51] <memyslfnI> He always was escaping [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think so too, sooner [19:51] <Aislinn> ok, since we're talking about him: Is there any significance to Neville’s having a pet toad named Trevor? [19:51] <futureweasley> I think Quirrell might have tipped him off...thinking that an obsticle like that would have bought him a few more minutes [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, because it's funny [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its just something cute. I know a lot of people have speculations of Trevor, but I think he is nothing but a toad [19:52] <fawkes28> i think Trevor is simply just Trevor [19:52] <RavenclawKitsune> i have no ideas on that toad sry lol [19:52] <cbm> I don't think so, but it would not surprise me, when is the last time we saw trevor? [19:52] <memyslfnI> I could go on about the alchemical significance of the toad signifying the first stage, or lead [19:52] <Shard> Theres been alot of theorys on Trevor [19:52] <futureweasley> I'm hoping that Trevor isn't some crazy animagus [19:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> an easy way to introduce a shy boy... through his curious toad [19:52] <Shard> I think we may perhaps be understimated toads [19:52] <Aislinn> I have to quote davidenglish from the Lounge, as I think this bit on Trevor is so true: [19:52] <fawkes28> i think we have too many animagi - i dont think Jo is going to create another one [19:52] <memyslfnI> toads turn into princes when kissed [19:52] <Aislinn> Pets, I believe, often function as metaphors for a inner character. Trevor, a name meaning big hearth or steadfast or loyal, certainly describes what we latter learn of Neville. And what is Trevor trying to do? Get out. So, we can see by his toad that Neville is a true Gryffindor hidden by the shock of his unknown past [19:52] <Shard> lol FW, I think Trevor may be a special toad but not Animagus [19:52] <RavenclawKitsune> future- after scabber i hope not! [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville reminds me of Ron in this. He has a lame, pathetic pet, but he cares for him anyway [19:53] <cbm> excellent Aislinn [19:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> nice, aislinn [19:53] <memyslfnI> maybe there is a metaphorical prince inside Neville [19:53] <Shard> Thtas really good Aislinn [19:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> does that mean that Ron is completely hyperactive? (pig?) [19:53] <futureweasley> that davidenglish...he always amazes me [19:53] <Aislinn> not mine - davidenglish had a really good point there [19:53] <Aislinn> lol chocolate! [19:53] <cbm> No, I think pig refers to Ron's table manners [19:53] <futureweasley> nerotic, I think [19:53] <fawkes28> i think the way people treat animals shows their true nature [19:54] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [19:54] <Shard> Awww [19:54] <Shard> Toads and Jack Russel Terries aren'ty lame [19:54] <futureweasley> don't get me wrong, I love Ron [19:54] <Aislinn> I like that thought, Me - about the metaphorical prince in side Neville [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha awww [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> "the boy who would be king" [19:54] <futureweasley> ooh, every interesting thoughts me and Aislinn [19:54] <Aislinn> Neville excels at Herbology. What do you think there is about this subject that taps into Neville’s strengths? [19:55] <Shard> Oh I didnt realise you were quoting DE [19:55] <futureweasley> a diamond in the rough, so to speak? [19:55] <Tanaqui> did you know that trevor means big village? [19:55] <Shard> I guess Neville is just into plants, into growing things [19:55] <memyslfnI> that reminds me of the saying "It takes a village" [19:55] <cbm> I have always wondered if he worked in his grandmother's garden before hogwarts [19:55] <cloudpic> They're both "grounded"? [19:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's natural, quiet, and doesn't require a lot of external magic (we've NEVER seen prof. sprout wave a wand or cast a spell) [19:55] <cloudpic> Oh... I like that thought, cbm [19:55] <Dreamteam> Neville is very practical, [19:56] <RavenclawKitsune> hmm well when working with plants its all about you taking care of the plant, maybe its something that relies on him... [19:56] <cloudpic> and Prof. Sprout is kindly... [19:56] <Aislinn> I see him as a nurturing person too, and he is able to nurture these living, growing things [19:56] <Tanaqui> neville is a nurturer [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its interesting that Neville is good with plants, who need a special touch to thrive. I think this shows that he is very nurturiing [19:56] <Tanaqui> ah--aislinn, same thinking! [19:56] <Aislinn> lol [19:56] <memyslfnI> I always thought of the connection to plants by looking at a seed. From a little seed a mighty oak will grow. I think we will see neville be that mighty oak in Biik seven [19:56] <futureweasley> it's also a connection with something tangible...he's very earthy...I think he respects life and solidarity...plants, unlike people, can provide understanding for Neville [19:56] <Dreamteam> no "foolish wand waving" then [19:56] <Aislinn> ooh, I like that, Me! [19:56] <cloudpic> He seems to pay attention to detail and be observant... [19:56] <Shard> Good point Dreamteam [19:57] <cloudpic> those help too [19:57] <cloudpic> LOL Dreamteam [19:57] <Tanaqui> yes, future--plants don't expect things from him [19:57] <Aislinn> yes, future, I think that's an accurate way of looking at Neville [19:57] <animaguscow> Well Neville shy, plants call you names, and he's a very careing guy [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Plants are also symbolic of life and rebirth in a way, aren't they? [19:57] <futureweasley> yes, Sooner... [19:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and drugs, sooner [19:57] <RavenclawKitsune> Herbology is one of the least magicial subjects at the school its more ...fundemental? [19:57] <Tanaqui> they also are quite healing sometimes [19:57] <Shard> and Fertility [19:57] <memyslfnI> ha! Chocolate [19:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> :-D [19:58] <Dreamteam> Gardening can be a very solitary but satisfying occupation, I think that would suit Neville [19:58] <futureweasley> I think that nurturing plants might make up for his need to nurture his parents, or not being nurtured by his Gran... [19:58] <cloudpic> It's a bit like care of magical creatures [19:58] <futureweasley> it's likely psychological [19:58] <Dreamteam> yes, therapeutic [19:58] <cloudpic> But with a more...consistent teacher [19:58] <Aislinn> Do you think there is a reason that Neville is so forgetful that is beyond just a natural tendency? [19:58] <cloudpic> I'd say plants don't bite... but these do! [19:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's also good to see someon excelling in that class... we have someone in almost every other class who excells or is interested in it... even Lavender and Parvati like Divination... when she was choosing what Neville would like, she probably saw a connection betwenn neville and plants the most [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I hate the memory charm theory [19:59] <Aislinn> that's true, cloudpic! [19:59] <futureweasley> agreed Sooner [19:59] <Dreamteam> I think his lack of confidence affects his memory [19:59] <Tanaqui> too much pressure from his gran and family [19:59] <Shard> SAme here Sooner [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, I LOATHE the memory charm theory [19:59] <cloudpic> That's such a tough call... I certainly hope not...maybe just trauma? [19:59] <Aislinn> yeah, I don't think that there is anythiing to that theory either [19:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha sooner [19:59] <Shard> I like that he grew into the man he is going to be on his own [19:59] <memyslfnI> at first I thought he had his mind modified, but then JKR shot down the theory behind the gum wrappers and I stopped believing it [19:59] <futureweasley> I think he's never had to remember a thing, as he's had Gran squalking orders in his ear [19:59] <Aislinn> I do think that his poor memory is directly tied to his self esteem [19:59] <Shard> I forget things all the time and thers no magic spell on me [19:59] <RavenclawKitsune> well i get forgetful under pressure maybe thats ut [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that for that theory to be true, then it would take so much away from the precious person that Neville is [20:00] <cbm> I think he might have been charmed, his action mirror the guy in the camp, but I lean more towrds his gradnndmother treatment of him [20:00] <Aislinn> He is so self conscious, that he has trouble concentrating - if you don't concentrate, you can't remember [20:00] <cloudpic> That's likely the case, Aislinn... stress [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> it woul be cheating on his character [20:00] <Tanaqui> lol shard, me too, and folks tell me i'm too young to be forgetting things [20:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha me too shard... though I have ADD and I think sometimes it's that [20:00] <memyslfnI> I wonder if he witnessed the crucio of his parents? that could explain the trauma? [20:00] <Shard> His growth has been very important and it would be cheating his character [20:00] <cloudpic> She expects him to be forgetful and it's realized [20:00] <RavenclawKitsune> aislinn- thats that i was thinking [20:00] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [20:00] <RavenclawKitsune> Hawkie! [20:00] *** Tanaqui left #lounge [] [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> me, I think that is a very likely possibility and could be contributing to his trauma [20:00] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [20:00] <Joyhawk2121> hi all [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hello Joyhawk [20:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't think he witnessed it, me, because i believe he would have had a more horrible reaction to dementors than Harry had [20:01] <Shard> Neville is human, I think people tend to forget that and they want to find clues and theorys all over the place. I think Neville's forgetfullness came from his lack of condifience and self worth [20:01] *** moody has joined #lounge [20:01] <Shard> Some people are just abscent minded and that doesn't mean tney have a charm or that they are worthless [20:01] <Aislinn> shard, that is what makes the most sense to me too [20:01] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree, [20:01] <Dreamteam> his grandmother has reinforced his forgetfulness and its become self-fulfilling [20:02] <moody> wats goin onm wit the chat? i tried to chat yest an it went all weird on me...said something like i had no voice [20:02] *** harrypotterfan123 has joined #lounge [20:02] <memyslfnI> if you hear it all the time you believe it [20:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that forgetfulness is a sign of an active mind... he has too many other thoughts going than to remember things like disappearing stairs [20:02] <Aislinn> there is a pattern there, Dreamteam , you're right [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Shard. I also think that whatever he witnesed when he was 15 months old may also be a contributing factor [20:02] <futureweasley> you're here now, Moody! Yay! [20:02] <harrypotterfan123> heyy' [20:02] <RavenclawKitsune> ello [20:02] <Dreamteam> she sends things each term that he's forgotten, rather than remind him while he's at home [20:02] <RavenclawKitsune> [20:02] <moody> thanks futerweasley! [20:02] <memyslfnI> she enables him [20:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, me sounds like Dr. Phil [20:02] <Shard> That's true SG, if he witnessed the attack on his parents it would be tramutizing at 15 months [20:03] <memyslfnI> hehehehe [20:03] <Aislinn> Neville is depicted as a shy boy through much of the story. Were you surprised to learn that he asked Ginny to the Yule Ball? Why do you think he asked her? [20:03] <RavenclawKitsune> wait werent his parent's on a mission? [20:03] <futureweasley> because Hermione said no [20:03] <futureweasley> lol [20:03] <Shard> I dont think I was surprised, more amused and happy [20:03] <cbm> I was very surprised he asked anyone [20:03] <Shard> I'm just proud he asked TWO girls [20:03] <Aislinn> I was too, cbm [20:03] <Aislinn> I didn't think that he would have the nerve [20:04] <Dreamteam> because they were friends and she had always treated him with respect [20:04] *** harrypotterfan123 left #lounge [] [20:04] <Shard> Were Ron couldn't even ask one without freaking out [20:04] <futureweasley> like I said....character and courage coming into its ow [20:04] <futureweasley> n [20:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i wasn't surprised, i don't think. I thought it was sweet... and I felt for Ginny - i HATE turning down sweet, socially awkward guys [20:04] <Aislinn> and he got the nerve up before either Harry or Ron did [20:04] <cbm> I guess he made up his mind he was going to have a date and just did it [20:04] <Dreamteam> rather than making fun of him [20:04] <Shard> Nev asked Hermione before Ron did lol [20:04] <memyslfnI> I was too! But ginny has always been good to neville. she has liked him for himself not because he is cool [20:04] <moody> yea, im reaing goblet of fire so its where neville has to look at the crucuiatus curse..awh. and when there guessin about wat harry will have to face when they listen to the egg neville actuallty says how he think it could be that harry has to fight off the cruciatus curse, it madf how jk always leaves little clues... [20:04] <Aislinn> I think it showed something very nice about Ginny's character, chocolateisnotforbreakfast [20:04] <RavenclawKitsune> Ron didnt even remener Hermione was a girl [20:04] <futureweasley> me too Aislinn...it shows she was raised right [20:04] <Shard> I agree Aislinn it really did [20:05] <futureweasley> plus, it wasn't Harry and Ginny's "time" yet [20:05] <Shard> Ginny could have ditched Neville but did not [20:05] <Shard> I agree there whoelheartledy MJ [20:05] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has joined #lounge [20:05] <Dreamteam> she's too noble to ditch him [20:05] <memyslfnI> Exactly Aislinn, she is the equal to Harry and must be worthy of him [20:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ginny's flawless character.............. but that's another story lol [20:05] <moody> she was sorry though when she heard harry might have gone with her [20:05] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi guys! Sorry I vanished...my computer is not happy today. [20:05] <cbm> I think Ron always knew she was a girl, he just had never given any thought to doing anything about it [20:05] <Dreamteam> but still went with Neville despite that [20:06] * futureweasley is MJ,, for those of you who don't know (or even care...LOL) [20:06] <moody> yep dreamteam [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> wb RH [20:06] <Aislinn> welcome back, Ravenclaws_Heir [20:06] <cbm> Ginny did the right thing that night [20:06] <moody> MJ? [20:06] * Shard is embarressed [20:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> aww futur [20:06] <futureweasley> lol, tis alright Shard [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> its a hard habit to break [20:06] <moody> wots gonin on? [20:06] <Aislinn> In Prisoner of Azkaban, Neville is punished severely because Sirius got a hold of the passwords he had written down for getting into Gryffindor Tower. Did he deserve this punishment(detention, grounding from being able to go to Hogsmeade, and not being told the password anymore)? [20:06] <RavenclawKitsune> idk... [20:06] <moody> yep [20:07] <cbm> Yes, he put everyone;s life in danger [20:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yes... lol, but it showed a lot of character that he admitted to it [20:07] <memyslfnI> Yes, he did. there was a "psychpath" on the loose! [20:07] <fawkes28> i think he needed to know that it was serious [20:07] <Dreamteam> probably but I still can't help but feel sorry for him [20:07] <fawkes28> sometimes as much as you love kids, they need to be punsihed [20:07] <memyslfnI> he needed to be accountable [20:07] <Shard> I felt really bad for him but I understood why McG did it [20:07] <moody> i dont think theres any reason other than its the way neville is that he cant remeber stuff... [20:07] <Aislinn> Crookshanks stole them though - he didn't just leave them lying around, as he was accused of [20:07] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I just have to say here, that I think it was so brave of him to even admit that he is the one who did it. I loved Neville in that scene [20:07] <futureweasley> who decided that punishment? McGonagall? or his Gran? [20:07] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, it took a lot of guts to admit it was him [20:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> brb - i'm grabbign food [20:07] <Shard> Poor Neville it wasn't fair [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> ickle Neville in his jammies and bunny slippers [20:07] <Dreamteam> agree Sooner [20:08] <RavenclawKitsune> probably both [20:08] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I don't think he deserves such a severe punishment, but I see the logic behind impressing upon him how serious it was that he helped Sirius Black. I think, being the person he is, he would have felt very bad about it reguardless of his punishment/ [20:08] <Shard> Neville always does what is right [20:08] <futureweasley> his heart is always in the right place, anyway [20:08] <moody> neville is gonna do something BIG at the end [20:08] <CarpeDiem> Very good point Shard [20:08] <futureweasley> hi CD [20:08] <Aislinn> I think he would have, too RH, which is why I thought it was too harsh [20:08] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree shard [20:08] <RavenclawKitsune> moody- im not to sure of that [20:08] <moody> he might die [20:08] <Shard> Neville is going to be very important to the DH [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> the sitiuation was very Sirius. Neville's actions couuld have resulted in one of the boys dying [20:08] <moody> for harry [20:08] <Aislinn> oh, hi Carpe - you snuck in smile [20:09] <CarpeDiem> Shhh! smile And Hello smile [20:09] <Aislinn> lol [20:09] <moody> why ravenclawkitsune? [20:09] <Aislinn> it was, sooner, but i don't see it as Neville's fault. How could he have known that the cat was going to steal the paper? [20:09] <moody> why are we always reminded of his toad...hmmmm [20:10] <memyslfnI> He shouldn't have written them down [20:10] <RavenclawKitsune> moody- altho the whole "he was almost the boy who lived" he wasnt, there is a big difference [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> this is true Aislin, but I think it lets us know why MM did what she did [20:10] <fawkes28> Neville was trying to help himself - which is a good thing but in this case it backfired [20:10] <Shard> The problem becomes that he shouldn't have made a list of all the passwords, and if he did he should have had better guard of i t [20:10] <Dreamteam> he probably thought they were safe, though, in the dormitory [20:10] <moody> yea but...oh i dunno [20:10] <Aislinn> right, fawkes, he was just trying to cope [20:10] <CarpeDiem> Some people rely on lists smile [20:10] <Shard> Poor Neville [20:10] <Shard> I agree Carpediem [20:10] <Aislinn> how many people have all their computer passwords memorized? [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> really I blame Sir Cadogen just as much [20:10] <CarpeDiem> ...and STILL lose them! [20:10] <Shard> But ususlay those lists won't lead to someone getting killed [20:10] <cbm> As someone who used to be a computer security guy, writing down passwords is bad [20:10] <memyslfnI> I do.. [20:11] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Thats true, Dreamteam. He was accused of leaving it sitting around outside of the common room. [20:11] <Shard> I agree SG [20:11] <RavenclawKitsune> ;p; [20:11] <moody> oh i love sir cadogen' [20:11] <Shard> Nutter of a Knight [20:11] <RavenclawKitsune> lol** [20:11] <memyslfnI> it the same for everything.LOL [20:11] <fawkes28> lol cbm [20:11] <Aislinn> and that wasn't true, RH [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> he should not have been allowed to 1.) change the passwords like he did and 2.) let Sirius in in the first place [20:11] <Aislinn> right, sooner [20:11] <Shard> I agree SG, not even the Fat lady waqs ging to let im in [20:11] <moody> hes so funny though..brave very brave! [20:12] <Aislinn> Some people see a similarity between Neville and Peter Pettigrew. Is this a valid comparison, and are they similar?[20:12] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, Sooner [20:12] <fawkes28> NO [20:12] <Dreamteam> No [20:12] <cbm> NO [20:12] <Shard> No no no no no no no no no no [20:12] <cbm> NO [20:12] <Dreamteam> nothing like each other [20:12] <RavenclawKitsune> sooner- i think it was just one of those 'it was going to go wrong in the end' planes [20:12] <fawkes28> i do not think they are similar at all - no way [20:12] <Aislinn> hehehe [20:12] <Ravenclaws_Heir> NO NO NO [20:12] <Aislinn> totally agree [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> Not just no.... HECK NO [20:12] <Shard> Peter was a scyophant [20:12] <RavenclawKitsune> LOL [20:12] <Shard> Neville doesn't stalk Harry or suck up to Harry [20:12] <futureweasley> yes, I actually see it in theory...but in theory alone [20:12] <fawkes28> i hate that people compare them just because they were both quiet [20:12] <Aislinn> right, shard [20:12] <Dreamteam> Peter was a liar and a coward [20:12] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree with the masses [20:12] <cbm> Look at snape's worst memory, neville has never acted like that [20:12] <moody> NO, its our choice, our choices neville is too loyal to ever be compared to hateful wormtail! [20:12] <RavenclawKitsune> brb [20:12] * SoonerGryffindor truly gets upset when people compare Neville and Peter [20:12] <memyslfnI> no, I don't think so....the only simialrity is that they both seem to be the weak link. [20:13] <fawkes28> Neville would NEVER betray his friends - NEVER [20:13] * Ravenclaws_Heir does too [20:13] <CarpeDiem> lol sooner...and rightfully so smile [20:13] <Shard> I can emphasize Sooner [20:13] <animaguscow> no,Neville is loyal! [20:13] <Dreamteam> Don't agree that Neville is a weak link [20:13] <Aislinn> I agree that he seems to make very different choices than Peter has [20:13] *** SeverineSnape has joined #lounge [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree dreamteam [20:13] <Dreamteam> he has hidden strengths [20:13] <CarpeDiem> Neville is what Peter could have been but chose not to be [20:13] <fawkes28> hi severine! [20:13] <Aislinn> me either, dreamteam [20:13] <futureweasley> there is something to be said for being the "butt of every joke" in your circle of friends [20:13] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi severine! [20:13] <Aislinn> Hi severine! [20:13] <futureweasley> hi severine [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> hello severine [20:13] <Shard> That I can agree with Fawkes28 [20:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ICK! i knew this question was going to come up [20:13] <memyslfnI> I wonder if they are opposites. Both are considered weak, but both will end up effecting the entire nature of things by their actions. [20:13] <Shard> Hi Severine [20:13] <Dreamteam> I agree with CD [20:13] <moody> yea carpediem! [20:14] <SeverineSnape> Hi all, just here for a quick lunchbreak to talk about my favourite boy wizard! [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a great thought CD [20:14] <Dreamteam> Maybe they're there to illustrate DD's point about choices [20:14] <Aislinn> for those of you who haven't had a chance to read it, SeverineSnape wrote an awesome essay for Scribbulus on Neville [20:14] <fawkes28> see, i dont see Neville as weak [20:14] <Shard> See heres another difference, MemyselnI, Peter hid his strenghts while Neville deny's them and finds them on his own [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> yes she did smile [20:14] <futureweasley> I don't think Peter is weak, though... [20:14] <Shard> Neville isn't weak, just doubting his ability [20:14] <fawkes28> i will have to read that, Aislinn! [20:14] <RavenclawKitsune> i coulsnt find the essay... [20:14] <futureweasley> it's kind of a strange dicotomy [20:15] <Aislinn> shard, that is exactly right [20:15] <Ravenclaws_Heir> really, you don't future? [20:15] <Aislinn> I don't see Neville as weak at all [20:15] <Shard> Peter doesn't do what is right, Peter does what is best for himself [20:15] <moody> we can be weak in some ways but much stonger than other in different ways..neville has to cope with so much more than other students [20:15] <futureweasley> that's right Shard...I completely agree with that [20:15] <Shard> Neville will do what he hinks is right, even at the risk of his own life, he was willing to do so in OOTP [20:15] <fawkes28> right, shard and Neville would never do what is best for himself as he has shown us many times [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> as far as powers go, Peter is not weak. As a human being, he leaves much to be desired [20:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think there's a relationship there, but just beacuse there's a relationship doesn't mean it's the same... just like Harry and Voldemort are mirrors, Neville and Pettigrew might be mirrors [20:15] <memyslfnI> good point Shard. Peter's actions set LV 's rise to power (2nd time) maybe something that Neville will do will contribute greatly to his fall. [20:15] <Shard> Bella was about to torture him and he told harry NOT to give over the Prophecy [20:15] <moody> yea i think he will die for his friends [20:15] <cbm> Peter would have never risked himself by charging into the room of death like Neville did [20:15] <Aislinn> http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#scribbulus:essay:279 [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville proved at the MoM that he was willing to die for Harry [20:16] <Aislinn> that's the link for the Scribbulus essay [20:16] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Yes, shard. That's something peter never would have done [20:16] <Dreamteam> good point Shard [20:16] <CarpeDiem> Agreede moody. Neville is stronger in character than even Harry at some times. Someone said before...Neville seems to always do what is right. [20:16] <futureweasley> I was worried about Neville's loyality...but then he was treated better, respected more...and I don't think he's going to find the pit-falls that Peter did [20:16] <RavenclawKitsune> thx Aislinn! [20:16] <memyslfnI> exactly Shard. [20:16] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agree completely future [20:16] <moody> yep fweasley [20:16] <Shard> I think Neville has found himself good firends in the Trio, Ginny and Luna [20:16] <fawkes28> yes, carpe - he never makes the easy decissions [20:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it shows how Harry and James were different too... Harry wouldn't ever stand for a "fan" to hang out with him... Harry wouldn't want a Colin Creevy in his group, but James did [20:17] <Shard> Thats very true Chocolate [20:17] <moody> yea... [20:17] <futureweasley> I agree...friends from the strangest of circumstances [20:17] <Aislinn> Harry and Neville have several important things in common. They are both being raised by relatives after losing their parents. They both were sorted into Gryffindor, and we later learn were potentially the Chosen one referred to in the prophecy. Let’s leave the “might have been chosen one” discussion for a little later, and right now focus on the other similarities between the two. [20:17] <Ravenclaws_Heir> good point, chocolate [20:17] <memyslfnI> ood point Chocolate [20:17] <Shard> James seemed to like that alot [20:17] <Aislinn> What do you see as similar between them, and what do you see as their differences? [20:17] <memyslfnI> who? [20:17] <RavenclawKitsune> very good point chocolate [20:17] <cbm> In SS, Peter would have cheering Harry along to gain his approval instead of trying to stop them [20:17] <fawkes28> they are both boys who grew up without their parents [20:17] <Shard> I guess it would seem that they are both introverted, they need few but very close firends [20:17] <SeverineSnape> I think their main difference is confidence [20:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thanks smile [20:18] <memyslfnI> I agree Shard [20:18] <Joyhawk2121> they both have courage [20:18] <moody> i think neville is more like ron than harry..both are insecure and are constantly compared to relatives [20:18] <fawkes28> but still turned out to be nice and sweet boys despite their circumstances [20:18] <cbm> brb [20:18] <Aislinn> I would agree that is a large part of it, severine [20:18] <futureweasley> they were both psychologically tainted from a very young age [20:18] <RavenclawKitsune> severine - i disagree [20:18] <Ravenclaws_Heir> They both grew up as underdogs with bad guardians after the loss of their parents [20:18] <Aislinn> Harry seems to be a lot more self confident [20:18] <SeverineSnape> I think Neville is getting more confidence now, but he never had very much [20:18] <Shard> EVen Harry had a little self confidence issue in PS, but no where near as much as poor Neville [20:18] <CarpeDiem> Both Neville and Harry have a hidden talent. Both didn't realize they were wizards until it was nearly time to attend Hogwarts. [20:19] <Joyhawk2121> I agree Aislinn [20:19] <RavenclawKitsune> i think it s a mater of the tasks they under took [20:19] <Shard> Actually Carpe, wasn't Neville very young like 6 or 8? [20:19] <fawkes28> true Aislinn, but i also think their are many times that Harry lacks some confidence [20:19] <Dreamteam> But Neville knew he came from a wizarding family [20:19] <Aislinn> but he doesn't let it impact him the way Neville does, fawkes, except maybe with girls [20:19] <moody> yea but thats hard for neville to compete all the time with his parents [20:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Neville has the makings for a mythological hero, just like Harry. Parents gone, raised by relative, have a potential for revenge to the parent's "murderer" [20:20] <CarpeDiem> Whoops...was he? Not sure shard. I just remember his family being worried he may have been a squib. [20:20] <Aislinn> Neville seems to take his relative's opinion so much more to heart than Harry does though [20:20] <memyslfnI> yes Chocolate, I wonder if neville will be the one to face bella. [20:20] <moody> i felt sooooooo sorry for neville when bellatrix was hurti him [20:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I hope so, me [20:20] <fawkes28> true Aislinn - but that factor is still there - that self-doubt [20:20] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I'm glad that at least he has faced her once, so i won't be AS upset if he doesn't [20:21] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Ooh, moody you remind me of something else. Their lives are both greatly impacted by their parents reputations. Harry is hated by snape and loved by other teachers because of James and Lily, and Neville is expected to live up to his parents abilities. [20:21] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [20:21] <CarpeDiem> Neville has always had to rely on his grandmother, where Harry had to learn to rely on no one but himself. [20:21] <fawkes28> I think one of the most important factors they have in common is that they are both very pure of heart [20:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true RH [20:21] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, fawkes [20:21] <Aislinn> that's true carpe [20:21] <futureweasley> they've both been made to feel that they aren't worth anything...and have both found, against the greatest odds, that they are worth more than they could have imagined [20:21] <CarpeDiem> That;'s very true fawkes. I [20:21] <SeverineSnape> with confidence I also meant determination I suppose, I mean, i don't think neville would be as determined as harry if he had turned out to be the chose one [20:21] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi tanaqui! [20:21] <RavenclawKitsune> blue [20:21] <memyslfnI> so do you think LV chose correctly? [20:21] <moody> yea ravenclaws_heir... [20:21] <Aislinn> yes, future, it has just taken Neville longer to reach that point [20:21] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has quit [Bye] [20:21] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has joined #lounge [20:22] <Aislinn> OK, getting back to the “also ran” Chosen One issue – if Lord Voldemort had chosen to go after Neville instead of Harry, would Neville be as suited to be the Chosen One as Harry? Why or why not? [20:22] <fawkes28> i think that neville has a strong capacity to love like harry does too [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> no [20:22] <memyslfnI> no, I do not think so... [20:22] <SeverineSnape> I'm not sure if LV chose correctly, but I think that it didn't matter who he chose - the one he chose would be marked as his equal [20:22] <CarpeDiem> I'd not thought of that Severine...I doubt Neville would have taken news of the prphecy as well as Harry has. [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Voldemort made the right choice [20:22] <Shard> Unoftunatly no [20:22] <Dreamteam> no, Harry has more self-reliance [20:22] <Shard> He would not have had Harry's wnad for starters [20:22] <Aislinn> I agree, carpe [20:22] <moody> yea..ya never know...we have to be confronted with thing to know how stong we are [20:22] <futureweasley> Neville didn't have the amazing support and tutelage as Harry did, either. He didn't have Dumbledore supporting him almost every step of the way in such an intimate fashion [20:23] <Aislinn> I don't think that termperamentally, Neville is a strong as Harry [20:23] <moody> harry had a lot of help [20:23] <Dreamteam> Harry has a stronger character [20:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> It would be a completely different story, but it could totally happen [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry was born with natural skills that have helped him prevail [20:23] <fawkes28> see - if voldemort had chosen neville - i dont think neville would have survived [20:23] <Shard> I think Neville is loved by his mother, but his mother would have died the same way James did, with wand out [20:23] <cbm> If his mother sacrificed for him, would he have a different guardian? [20:23] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I don't think so...even though Neville has a capacity for love, Harry has a natural aptitude for DADA which will help him. [20:23] <RavenclawKitsune> im not sure, as i said earlier they under took different tasks or missions in life to get to the point that they are at now [20:23] <Aislinn> but if he had been the chosen one, I think he would have gotten that, future [20:23] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [20:23] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [20:23] <CarpeDiem> Future, would Dumbledore have chosen to mentor Neville instead if he had been chosen by LV? [20:23] <SeverineSnape> Well I do agree that Neville probably may not have fought as hard... but then you never know how things would have turned out [20:23] <cbm> If his mother sacrificed for him, would he have a different guardian in order for the blood protection work? [20:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Neville could totally kill Voldemort with a plant... [20:23] <Aislinn> I think that people have temperaments at the time of birth that are quite distinct [20:23] <Shard> If we believe in choice though, maybe Neville would have been able to do so [20:24] <memyslfnI> It all comes down to what Nevvile would have seen inthe mirror. I wish we could have seen that! would he have seen his parents as they once were? or would he have seen himself as bigger and better than he was? [20:24] <moody> gonna go now guys...see ya...tis half 12 at night here!! nite [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think that Lily's secret is going to play into this. Whatever it was, I do not think that Alice has the same secret [20:24] <Aislinn> Harry and Neville are different from each other in temperament [20:24] <Shard> Neville is not tempted by the dark side either [20:24] <futureweasley> good question, Carpe...and I have to say, yes. Neville would have been the one who was in greater need [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> bye moody [20:24] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol chocolate. Squirt the mimulus mimletonia (sp?) at him [20:24] <moody> bye! [20:24] <Aislinn> I think that Harry is more suited to deal with the challenge of the Prophecy [20:24] <moody> smile [20:24] <Ravenclaws_Heir> bye moody! [20:24] <moody> night! [20:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe [20:24] <futureweasley> absolutely Aislinn [20:24] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, Aislinn [20:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think that NEville would have grown up differently if he was the chosen one... Dumbledore himself would have taught Neville if he knew that neville was the key to defeating Voldemort [20:25] *** moody left #lounge [] [20:25] <futureweasley> it comes down to the guts...it has nothing to do with the glory [20:25] <CarpeDiem> Aislinn...I think Neville has some incedible potential though. Not as profound as Harry perhaps but I think he'll prove to be worthy. smile [20:25] <Tanaqui> and what were neville's parents like as teens? in some ways we've see harry in his teen parents when we get flashbacks [20:25] <Aislinn> oh, I totally agree, carpe [20:25] <Shard> Neville has the guts [20:25] <Aislinn> he will contribute in a vital way [20:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if he thought that neville wasn't capable, dumbledore would have stepped in... he would have had a relationship with neville instead of with HArry [20:25] <futureweasley> different guts Shard [20:25] <fawkes28> see i dont think the situations can be switched that easily - i dont think alice would have been given the chance to live like Lily did [20:25] <Shard> and frankly the gazoongas [20:26] <futureweasley> it's the difference between steel and titanium [20:26] <Dreamteam> I don't think Neville has the same level of curiosity that Harry has [20:26] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, chocolate. But Harry was born with certain natural skills that Neville just doesn't have. I think Neville would be more suited than he is now to fufill the prophecy, but not as much as Harry is. [20:26] <CarpeDiem> Exactly Shard. Like DD said, it's often much harder to stand up to your friends than it would be to stand up to an enemy. [20:26] <Shard> I can accept that FW [20:26] <Dreamteam> and without it wouldn't have gone looking for the Stone [20:26] <memyslfnI> Its all about the capacity to love. can we believe that Neville's is as strong as Harry's? [20:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but would harry have this level of skill and recognition if he wasn't the boy who lived? [20:26] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Good point, Dreamteam [20:26] <Shard> The other differeence here was that Harry had a natural curosity to finding what was going on, Neville obyed the rules [20:27] <RavenclawKitsune> me- the point is that we dont know [20:27] <Aislinn> Dreamteam -I agree with that [20:27] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Probably not, chocolate. But he would still have his aptitude for DADA [20:27] <futureweasley> wow me, I hadn't thought of that...Neville's life has not been as deeply affected by Love has Harry's [20:27] <fawkes28> i think it has the potential to be, memyslfnI [20:27] <SeverineSnape> I think neville can love as deeply as harry can. I think Neville is one of the most loving characters in the books [20:27] <Aislinn> I don't think he has the same tendency to hunt down mysteries and fly off to the rescue [20:27] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Good point, shard [20:27] <Shard> That's my point Aislinn [20:27] <memyslfnI> dumbledore believes that LV chose correctly. [20:27] <Aislinn> yes, shard, I agree [20:27] <SeverineSnape> If voldemort had gone after Neville in stead, theings may have happened very differently, alice may not have sacrificed herself, but in the end the effect would have been the same [20:27] <Dreamteam> Harry has his 'saving people thing', Neville may have but not to same extent [20:27] <Shard> It would be a different story, but I dont think Neville would exaclty fail or die against LV [20:28] <Aislinn> Does the fact that Neville could also have been the Chosen One have any significance to the story now? [20:28] <SeverineSnape> something would have happened that would have marked him as his equal etc. [20:28] <futureweasley> Neville wasn't saved by love, however. Neville hasn't been able to touch love, and have it touch him in return. The loss that saved Harry is strong...and Neville didn't experience that [20:28] <cbm> I do not think so [20:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Neville just isn't presented with the same information as Harry. Harry, being the center of everything, finds out when someone is kidnapped or when something secret is happening... it's not neville's fault that he just doesn't know what's going on lol [20:28] <Shard> Not really [20:28] <RavenclawKitsune> i dont think it does... [20:28] <Tanaqui> i don't think it does anymore--harry's come to terms with the fact he was the one voldemort went after [20:28] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I think the fact that Neville could have also been chosen gives an other example of how profound our choices are. [20:29] <SeverineSnape> I don't think it makes difference to the story, I believe Jo's comment that this was just to illustrate how prophecies work [20:29] <Shard> I feel that Neville is free to make his own choices and they are that much more valued when he chooses to fight with Hjarry [20:29] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I think we will see something related to that in DH. I mean, I don't think it will be a pivotal plot point where it turns out that Neville has to fight LV instead of Harry. But I don't think JKR would have mentioned it in OotP and never again. [20:29] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [20:29] <Shard> Neville CAN walk away but he doesn't \choose to [20:29] <futureweasley> hi Expie [20:29] <Ravenclaws_Heir> hey expie! [20:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi expie [20:29] <Expelliarmas> heya peeps [20:29] <Aislinn> carpe - exactly! Choices and how we make them is so central to the entire tale [20:30] <memyslfnI> I believe that if neville had been chosen, Lv would have defeated him. I just dont think he was cut from the same cloth as Harry. ( [20:30] <Aislinn> hi expie [20:30] <Joyhawk2121> hi Expie [20:30] <Dreamteam> Neville has the same courage but not the same confidence to deal with the conflict [20:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ahhh what ifs [20:30] <fawkes28> exactly, memyslfnI !! [20:30] <SeverineSnape> sorry guys, it's the end of my lunch break, gotta go! bye! [20:30] <Ravenclaws_Heir> well stated, dreamteam [20:30] <Ravenclaws_Heir> bye severine! [20:30] <fawkes28> bye severine! [20:30] <cbm> I think he may have been cut from the same cloth, but his grandmother has shredded and frayed it [20:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye severine [20:31] <futureweasley> if Neville has been the chosen one, the books would be called Neville Longbottom...Jo was writing the hero's journey...not the sidekick's journey [20:31] *** SeverineSnape has quit [Bye] [20:31] <Dreamteam> lol cbm [20:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> very poetic, cbm smile [20:31] <RavenclawKitsune> soo tru future [20:31] <Shard> lol Good point FW [20:31] <Expelliarmas> poor neville isnt even the sidekick [20:31] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [20:31] <Aislinn> Why do you think that Snape picks on Neville almost as much as he picks on Harry? [20:31] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I disagree, cbm (though that was a very poetic way to say that smile ). I don't think his grandma helped but NEville just doesn't have certain natural abilities [20:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe Harry was the sidekick in another universe, but Jo decided to go with Harry instead of with Neville [20:31] <Dreamteam> He sees Neville as weak and, as a bully, targets him [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> urm.... I dont have enough time to post my full nswer to this [20:32] <Tanaqui> i think he's disgusted by neville's lack of confidence [20:32] <memyslfnI> Because he can... [20:32] <RavenclawKitsune> Snape has problems expressing his feelings [20:32] <Expelliarmas> he sees himself in Neville [20:32] <Shard> I can't comment on Snape and Neville without cussing [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha me neither sooner [20:32] <CarpeDiem> lol Shard [20:32] <Shard> So I will just say that snape is a nasty and evil man [20:32] <Expelliarmas> and that leads to a certain amount of loathing [20:32] <cbm> I think he sees weakness and in his sadistic way he goes after it [20:32] <fawkes28> oh boy - do we really want my opinion [20:32] <Expelliarmas> not really [20:32] <futureweasley> Snape is vital...and he knows which buttons to press in each of his students [20:32] <fawkes28> thanks, expie [20:32] <Aislinn> yes, dreamteam, that's exactly why I think he goes after neville, but it is inconsistent with his reason for going after harry [20:32] <futureweasley> he comes at Neville in the way he knows will be most detrimental [20:32] * SoonerGryffindor sits quietly eating her grilled cheese sandwich and waits for the next question [20:32] <memyslfnI> maybe it has something to do with the fact that Snape heard the beginning of the prophecy. [20:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> snape is a nasty man, stuck in his mistakes from the past and Harry and Neville are constant reminders of what his actions led to [20:33] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hmmm...for one thing Snape is a nasty teacher who likes to pick on the underdogs. For another, he may know how closely related Neville is to the prophecy (and depending on your view of snapes loyalty this could make Snape hate neville for different reasons) [20:33] * Shard joins Sooner [20:33] <fawkes28> i think that Snape expects the best in his students and is frustrated by Neville [20:33] <memyslfnI> he heard that it could have been two boys [20:33] <Tanaqui> did snape know neville's parents? [20:33] <Dreamteam> I think he has different reasons for going after Harry Aislin [20:33] <RavenclawKitsune> i think Snape is wat u think of when u think Sltherin just for the way his treats Neville [20:33] <Expelliarmas> I think you maybe on to something cinfb; maybe Snape wonders what would have happened if neville was the chosen one [20:33] <Aislinn> memyslfnI: you think that snape knew it could have been either Harry or Neville? [20:33] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, dream team [20:33] <memyslfnI> I do... [20:33] <Aislinn> and that plays a role in his behaavior now? [20:33] <Aislinn> interesting [20:34] <futureweasley> I disagree Kit...I don't think that Slytherins are inherently cruel [20:34] <cbm> I think he enjoys being sadistic [20:34] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree with that, memyselfnI. I don't think it is a coincidence that the chosen one and the almost chosen one are Snapes two least favorite students [20:34] <Expelliarmas> some of them are, fw; I didn't slughorn to be so [20:34] <Aislinn> he would never get his best from his students with his teaching methods fawkes [20:34] <RavenclawKitsune> i myself dont think so either, i think that just the way most person see them as a whole [20:34] <CarpeDiem> I think Neville is an easy target for Snape. He may also have a twinge of guilt abouit what happened to the Longbottoms as he may because of what happened to the Potters. [20:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think snape realizes how many lives he ruined by trying to better himself, and his sick way of making himself feel better is to put them down and make himself surperior to them. [20:35] <futureweasley> when Snape tried to poison Trevor, I became unglued [20:35] <memyslfnI> Snape is especially mean to the boys who could be the chosen one. I don't think it is a coincidence [20:35] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Yes chocolate! I agree!! [20:35] <futureweasley> git git git [20:35] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [20:35] <fawkes28> i didnt say he would, aislinn - i was simply pointing it out [20:35] <Aislinn> me too, future [20:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha [20:35] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol future [20:35] <Expelliarmas> I dont think Snape cares about that, cinfb; he doesn't roll that way [20:35] <CarpeDiem> I wonder if Snape's "attention" is a teaching style to him. Perhaps this is way of making sure they learn a lesson. Maybe this is how Snape was taught...or learned best. [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape did not try to poison Trevor [20:36] * fawkes28 is hoping the next question is coming soon because otherwise she will get into an argument [20:36] <futureweasley> yes he did, sooner [20:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> good thaought carpediem [20:36] <Expelliarmas> his teaching style though, only focuses on a select group of students, particularly Harry and Neville [20:36] <Shard> Yes he did, only thourgh Hermione's help did SNape get foiled htere [20:36] <Shard> The evil git [20:36] <RavenclawKitsune> SNape was the one ro deliver the proficy [20:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe Snape had a bad toad experience as a child [20:36] <Aislinn> Neville was one of the hardest workers in the DA. What do you see as his motivation for this? [20:36] <futureweasley> color it any which way you want...he was threatening Neville with the loss of his pet for poor performance in his class [20:36] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Well...I'm guessing he is not so nice to Hufflepuff's either, but we just don't see this through Harry's eyes [20:37] <memyslfnI> His parents [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> same reasons as Harry [20:37] <Shard> To stop Bellatrix, to really be the Wizard he should be [20:37] <cbm> His parents and the fact that bella is out [20:37] <Expelliarmas> The escape of the longbottoms lit a fire under him; like nothing Augusta could have done [20:37] <Shard> Exaclty SG [20:37] <memyslfnI> He did not want to be unprepared [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> he knows what is out there and how it can tear up lives [20:37] <Dreamteam> He wants to overcome his difficulties and knows he can do better than he has so far [20:37] <Expelliarmas> *torturers [20:37] <futureweasley> right me...he's needs to feel that he's prepared as he can be [20:37] <Ravenclaws_Heir> The war on LV is very personal for Neville because of his parents [20:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Bella hasd escaped and he wanted to be strong enough to face her [20:37] <Tanaqui> i think he also wanted to show harry that he *can* help...and umbridge really probably goaded him a bit, too [20:37] <Aislinn> yes, me, I think especially when he learned that Bella and the others had broken out of Azkaban, his efforts redoubled [20:37] <Dreamteam> He wasnts to be able to face the DEs [20:37] <Expelliarmas> the idea of those maniacs getting out must have just burned his toast [20:37] <Dreamteam> and take revenge for his parents [20:37] <Ravenclaws_Heir> he want's to be ready [20:37] <fawkes28> it is personal for Neville - big time [20:37] <RavenclawKitsune> i would think mainly to say he could be as good at other things as everyone else [20:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> daggone lag lol [20:38] <Ravenclaws_Heir> good point, Asilinn [20:38] <fawkes28> he sees his parents often and it hurts and he just wants justice [20:38] <CarpeDiem> I think Neville learns best when he is a comfortable atmosphere where he learns at his own pace. In the DA, he has the help and encouragement from friends. I think he also feels this way in Sprout's classes. It's the only classroom where he is not worried about making a wrong answer. [20:38] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:38] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:38] <memyslfnI> exactly Aislinn! [20:38] <animaguscow> Seeing what happen to parents, he de,nt want to see it happen again to others he loves. [20:38] <Ravenclaws_Heir> ooh, good point carpediem [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> Neville finding out that Bella got out had to be like when Harry learned about Sirius. Remember how bad Harry wanted to kill Sirius? [20:38] <Expelliarmas> true, carpe, but he never excelled in DADA and was struggling before the big breakout [20:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yes fawkes [20:38] <Aislinn> yes, carpe, I think that Harry had an excellent teaching style for Neville, and he thrived under it [20:38] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [20:39] <Ravenclaws_Heir> that's true sooner. THough I don't think Neville could ever kill. not even Bella [20:39] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, that's true [20:39] <CarpeDiem> Neville also did well with Lupin, didn't he? [20:39] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [20:39] <Shard> Yeah I think Bella was a big influence there [20:39] <Ravenclaws_Heir> yeah, he did carpe [20:39] <Expelliarmas> he was certainly improved with Lupin [20:39] <Aislinn> he did, because Harry has modeled his teaching style after Lupin, I think [20:39] <Shard> and I was so happy and proud and impressed with Neville [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I dont think either Neville or Harry are going to be able to kill [20:39] <Dreamteam> He might not be able to kill Bella but I wouldn't mind betting he would want to caputre her [20:39] <Shard> Neville even did better at the Owl potions without that SNape there [20:39] <memyslfnI> I wonder about that Ravenclaws heir? If I had to watch my parents in the state they are in, I think I could muster the hatred needed. [20:39] *** bluebearb8 has joined #lounge [20:39] <Dreamteam> and send her back to Azkaban [20:39] <Expelliarmas> no, Sooner, maybe not; but Neville would like to be prepared [20:40] <Aislinn> yes, I agree that his focus is on preventing Bella from hurting others, not on killing [20:40] <memyslfnI> maybe that's the difference between Harry and Neville? [20:40] *** bluebearb8 has quit [Bye] [20:40] <Shard> True Prepared yes, which is alo why they didn't practice AK on small rodents and bugs [20:40] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I think Neville wants to do it, memyselfandi, but like Harry he just can't. Remember, Harry couldn't even cast one on the DE's that killed DD [20:40] <fawkes28> like Harry - i dont think Neville will kill [20:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't think Harry could pull it out of nowhere... he'd need practice [20:41] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree he doesnt have the heart of it [20:41] <Aislinn> I don't hink in Jo's world he can either fawkes [20:41] <Dreamteam> defeat not kill [20:41] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [20:41] <Ravenclaws_Heir> exactly, dreamteam [20:41] <Aislinn> Neville seems to gain in self confidence a bit throughout the series. What do you think was a turning point for him, and what contributed to this greater self assurance? [20:41] <BrettMac> hey guys!!! sorry im late... completely forgot about the chat until now [20:41] <Aislinn> hi brett [20:41] <Expelliarmas> facing the DEs at the Ministry of Magic [20:41] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi BrettMac! [20:42] <fawkes28> that is a good question [20:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think there's a difference between murder and kill... Harry won't be heartlessly taking a life, he'll be stopping a bad guy... [20:42] <Expelliarmas> he finally lived up to his Dad's rep [20:42] <Dreamteam> yes, the Ministry [20:42] <cbm> Bella escaping and teh desire it gave him to excell in the DA [20:42] <Shard> It woulfd have to be the Azkaban mass break out [20:42] <fawkes28> I think the DA was a big turning point for him [20:42] *** memyslfnI left #lounge [] [20:42] <BrettMac> agreed fawkes [20:42] <CarpeDiem> Before OotP, I would never have guessed Neville would have been capable of doing what he did at the MoM. It was a real growing point for him. I think his work with Lupin and then the DA prepared him both in magic and in confidence. [20:42] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I think he first began gaining confidence when he came to Hogwarts and was able to get away from his grandmother for the first time in his life [20:42] <Shard> It really drove home the fact that LV was getting stronger and had to be stopped [20:42] <Aislinn> cbm, I agree [20:42] <Shard> and hoe important the DA really was [20:42] <fawkes28> it definitely boosted his confidence big time and gave him more motivation [20:42] <Aislinn> I think that Bella escaping raised it from a philosophical or hypothetical exercise to something real and necessary [20:42] <Dreamteam> I think the DA showed him how good he could be [20:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I agree with everyone - it was a rather clear turning point for him when Bella escaped This post has been edited by futureweasley: Mar 14 2007, 09:10 PM |
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[20:43] <CarpeDiem> Oh! Great point Aislin
[20:43] <Expelliarmas> I disagree RavensHeir; at Hogwarts he was constantly bullied and had a hard time coping [20:43] <Dreamteam> with the right teacher [20:43] <RavenclawKitsune> the MoM part of OotP was a turning point for many things in the series [20:43] <Shard> I agree Aislinn [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> Yeah, I think when Bella got out, coupled with him getting DA lessons from Harry is when Neville skill-wise started to turn the corner [20:43] <Aislinn> I agree, carpe, that Neville's time with Lupin laid an important foundation for him [20:43] <Expelliarmas> it was only later that he gained confidence; actually I would say after the Trio and Ginny see the Longbottoms at St. Mungos [20:43] <Ravenclaws_Heir> He was bullied by some teachers (eg snape) but there was also people like the trio who were decent to him and teachers like sprout that encouraged him. At least he was not around someone 24/7 telling him how horrible he was [20:44] <Expelliarmas> they didn't judge Neville after seeing the Longbottoms; I think that meant a lot to him [20:44] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree raven [20:44] <BrettMac> what about in gof, when he saw teh cruciatus curse for real? maybe that was when he discovered what he was up against, and knew he needed to learn to fight it better [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Expie [20:44] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I'm not saying that Bella escaping wasn't a HUGE turning point, just that I think his first inkling of confidence started at Hogwarts [20:44] <futureweasley> good point Expie [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> he knew he could trust them with his deepest secrets. [20:45] <Aislinn> that did affect himm deeply, brett, knowing that it had been used against his parents [20:45] <Ravenclaws_Heir> good point expie [20:45] <futureweasley> that was a huge secret to intrust someone with, too! [20:45] <futureweasley> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?s=&am...t&p=1133584 [20:45] *** BrettMac has quit [Bye] [20:45] <Aislinn> Neville seemed to be a bit mesmerized by the Veil in the Death room, just as Harry was. Why do you think it affected the two of them (and Ginny) more than the others? [20:45] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [20:45] <Ravenclaws_Heir> ah! time flies! [20:45] <Expelliarmas> well, they found out by accident, fw; but they didn't judge him at all [20:45] <RavenclawKitsune> wow only 15 mins left [20:45] <cbm> Maybe it is because they were touched by evil [20:45] <BrettMac> *gasp* is it really that late? i thought it was earlier. [20:45] <Ravenclaws_Heir> ooh, I like this question [20:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe they have been closer to death than the rest of them [20:46] <Expelliarmas> They've all been especially touched by LV's evil [20:46] <Tanaqui> it's kinda like the thestrals--you can't but help be drawn to it when you're aware [20:46] <Shard> Touched by evil... [20:46] <RavenclawKitsune> hmm i cant say i have an opinion on this one... [20:46] <fawkes28> i think Neville is more in tune with that sort of thing - more sensitive if you will [20:46] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Their close relation to death. I don't think it was a coincidence that they were the two that could see the thestrals [20:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> harry was almost killed by AK, Ginny almost had her life taken by LV, and Neville.... erm.... [20:46] <Shard> Touched by LV's influence I never thought about that, perhaps there is something yet more to be revealed that wouyld connect Harry/Ginny/Neville like that [20:47] <Tanaqui> ooo--fawkes--that could be a great foreshadowing statement! [20:47] <Ravenclaws_Heir> good point tanaqui/fawkes [20:47] <Shard> Neville did witness his Grandfathers death, I wonder how he died [20:47] <Aislinn> What did you think of Neville’s insistence on going with Harry, both to the Dept. of Mysteries, as well as continuing with him as the other kids kept being knocked out of the fight? [20:47] <BrettMac> he wanted to prove himself [20:47] <fawkes28> that was such a touching part [20:48] <Dreamteam> He's determined and not a quitter [20:48] <BrettMac> to bella and especially his friends [20:48] <Shard> I think Neville shows his bravery and loyalty and willingness to do what was right [20:48] <Expelliarmas> Gryffindor loyalty and bravery rising to the forefront [20:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he knew the importance of what they were doing [20:48] <Joyhawk2121> he wants to help in a way [20:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> as a team [20:48] <Tanaqui> perhaps to redeem what happened to him in book one... [20:48] <Expelliarmas> no one should doubt his placement in Gryffindor [20:48] <Ravenclaws_Heir> The battle against LV is very personal to him...it was important to him to do anything he could to help defeat LV [20:48] <fawkes28> He was not scared of anything - he never hestitated for a second [20:48] <CarpeDiem> I think Neville sees confidence with Harry and is inspired by it to do more. [20:48] <RavenclawKitsune> i agree, i think that was wen i really agreed with the sorting hats choice [20:48] <Dreamteam> he's loyal to Harry and determined to defeat LV and the DEs [20:48] <Aislinn> it actually bugged me a bit(don't throw stuff at me) because I think he would have been more helpful to Harry if he had stayed with the other injured kids [20:48] <Ravenclaws_Heir> He's a true Gryffindor smile [20:49] <futureweasley> his desire to fight was greater than his fear of failure [20:49] <Shard> What other injured kids Aislinn? [20:49] <Aislinn> that's true future [20:49] <Expelliarmas> Neville recognized Harry was the target; he stayed where the action was [20:49] <cbm> It showed the true Gryffindor in him [20:49] <Aislinn> I mean once they were in the DoM shard [20:49] <Shard> Harry needed him [20:49] <Expelliarmas> the DEs wanted the prophecy [20:49] <Aislinn> he could have stayed with Ron and the others - they needed him too [20:49] <Shard> Buyt I can understand why you feel that way Aislinn I just dont know if it would have done any good [20:50] <Aislinn> and he ended up almost getting the prophecy taken, because he was crucio'd [20:50] <Expelliarmas> but they werent the object of the DE's desire; Harry and the prophecy were [20:50] <Shard> Since taking the propechy is what the DE's wanted and if they left the kids behind the DE went with them [20:50] <Aislinn> the only reason it didn't happen was because the Order showed up [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is incredible that he offered to go in the first place not even knowing about Sirius [20:50] <cbm> I think due his broken nose and inability to enunciate, he would have been more helpful back there, but he did not know that until he cat his first spell, So I still think it was brave [20:50] <RavenclawKitsune> i think that he wanted to feel useful and he thought going with Harry was the way to do it [20:50] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, SG [20:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *is shaking with anticipation for this scene of OotP movie* [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> shows that NEville really is loyal to Harry [20:51] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Ah, me too chocolate! [20:51] <futureweasley> that scene makes me swell with pride every time [20:51] <Aislinn> I agree he was brave and loyal [20:51] <fawkes28> yes, cbm - Neville never gave up even though he was injured [20:51] <futureweasley> he tried SO hard [20:51] <RavenclawKitsune> *will probably only go for that scene* [20:51] <BrettMac> "dont gib it do dem, harry!" [20:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha kit [20:51] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol brett [20:51] <Aislinn> it was just another incidence of good intentions gone wrong, which was the main theme of that entire book to me [20:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> GOD brett, you're killing me [20:51] * futureweasley tears us [20:51] <futureweasley> *up [20:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *sigh* [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I truly hope Neville's bravery is shown in this scene [20:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> me too sooner [20:52] <futureweasley> so proud of my ickle Neville [20:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he deserves it [20:52] <cbm> It sounds funny when stephen fry does neville;s voice after the nose is broken [20:52] <Aislinn> Do you think that Neville is going to have an important role to play in the final book? What might it be? [20:52] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [20:52] <Expelliarmas> i hope so too, sooner, but doubt it [20:52] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Ah, me too sooner. If they turn him into comedy in that scene like they have to Ron I will be very upset! [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, we have not seen his new wand in action yet, have we? [20:52] <RavenclawKitsune> im also not touching this topic [20:52] <futureweasley> I think he will play an important role... [20:52] <fawkes28> Yes, I think he will have a big shining moment - perhaps with Bellatrix [20:52] <cbm> I think so, but I have not idea what it will be. [20:52] <Shard> Yes I think Neville will have a role to play [20:52] <Expelliarmas> Neville has bellatrix to deal with [20:52] <BrettMac> yes! he's gonna give bella what she deserves, and avenge his parents [20:53] <cbm> Maybe protecting Harry from Bella [20:53] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Yes...his is a true Gryffindor and we will see him show his true colors once more [20:53] <futureweasley> I wonder in Harry will have to explain how CLOSE Neville was to being "the Chosen One"... [20:53] <Expelliarmas> who knows, he might be gryffindor's heir [20:53] <Aislinn> he used it in the fight at the end of HBP, but we didn't really see it sooner [20:53] <Shard> He seemed to do go at the end of HBP and I dont think he had any of the Feilus potion did he? [20:53] <fawkes28> ohhh - i like that idea, cbm [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I see no reason to think that he will not be part of the action. He has been there for the trio in the last 2 books [20:53] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, sooner [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> no he did not Shard [20:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Choccy's dream: Neville's parents will be cured and we'll get a glimpse of what Harry has fought so hard to preserve. They will see their son with sane eyes for the first time. It will be the final mirror of how different Neville and Harry's stories turned out to be [20:53] <Aislinn> I agree that he will continue to be active in the fight against the Dark side in any way he can [20:53] <Shard> Exaclty my point then, he didnt even have that advantage in battle [20:53] <Expelliarmas> he and luna were the only two D.A. members to fight in HBP [20:53] <Aislinn> I think it might be by protecting Hogwarts , with the other DA members [20:53] <Tanaqui> perhaps he'll be able to concoct some antidotes quickly due to his extensive herbology knowledge [20:54] <fawkes28> i dont think Jo would have built up Neville's character so much if he werent going to play some significant role in the final book [20:54] <futureweasley> right Fawkes, I completely agree [20:54] <RavenclawKitsune> fawkes- look at Ginny she has almost no character! [20:54] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I think we may see something from him that relates to almost being the chosen one. Even if it just gives him the confidence he needs to fight his best (kind of like Rons fake felix potion) [20:54] <Tanaqui> and his being in tune with death also may be critical [20:54] <Tanaqui> though i don't think i worded that right... [20:54] <futureweasley> tut tut Kit! [20:54] <futureweasley> lol [20:54] <futureweasley> Ginny, no character?! [20:54] <Ravenclaws_Heir> No, I understand what you mean Tanaqui [20:55] <futureweasley> oh, that's a completely different chat [20:55] <Shard> I dont agree there Kit, but then were talking about Nevile right now [20:55] <Aislinn> I think that's a good point, tanaqui, about his herbology skills being helpful somehow [20:55] <RavenclawKitsune> future- im not getting into that debate today lol [20:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ginny makes me vomit... that IS another chat [20:55] <cbm> Maybe when Bella dies the magic will be lifted from his parents, I can only hope [20:55] <Aislinn> If Neville makes it through, what do you see Jo writing for him in the final chapter’s epilogue? [20:55] <BrettMac> that would be great, but i doubt it cbm [20:55] <Shard> I think Neville's character has indeed been built up and will have an important role to play [20:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's my dream cbm [20:55] <BrettMac> i think he'll go and teach herbology. tongue [20:55] <Tanaqui> married and running a great apothecary [20:55] <fawkes28> i agree, brett [20:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he'll die in a car accident [20:55] <BrettMac> or did jo shoot that down? i cant remember [20:55] <Shard> Neville will marry Susan Bones and become a Herbology teacher [20:56] <cbm> Herbology professor with a happy family [20:56] * SoonerGryffindor also gets very upset when Ginny gets bashed [20:56] <Expelliarmas> I get the feeling the damage caused by Bella will not lift as it was a physical impact [20:56] <Ravenclaws_Heir> oooh, I don't know. But I can't wait to read it. That would be wonderful, Brett (though I'm not sure if I can see Neville as a prof.) [20:56] <Tanaqui> i can't see him as a teacher... [20:56] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, expie [20:56] <futureweasley> he'll be working at Hogwarts as the Herbology teacher, married to Susan Bones, and very, very happy [20:56] <Aislinn> I think he could be the next Herbology teacher too [20:56] <Shard> smile [20:56] <Dreamteam> Definitely Herbology teacher, he would make a great teacher [20:56] <fawkes28> i would love to see him use something in herbology to find a cure for his parents - but that is a bit far-fetched! [20:56] <CarpeDiem> I think once LV is out of the way, Neville will be fully able to release his constant sense of fear. He'll grow and mature into more of his own person. I think he'll go on to a full and happy life. If he shares the same teaching style that helped him, he will make a wonderful teacher. [20:56] <Tanaqui> maybe not a hogwarts--he'll travel to the united states [20:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he'll travel to exotic places with his gran [20:56] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed, fawkes [20:56] <Aislinn> that would be lovely, fawkes [20:56] <futureweasley> strick that...sublimely happy [20:56] <Dreamteam> I like that fawkes [20:56] <Expelliarmas> it might be why he loves herbology so much, fawkes [20:57] <Aislinn> I don't think that Jo will give us such a happy ever after ending though [20:57] <RavenclawKitsune> fawkes- that would be more up a potion master's aile [20:57] <Ravenclaws_Heir> thats true, Aislinn. But we can dream, right? smile [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we can! [20:57] <BrettMac> what if he became the potions teacher? that would be so random and unexpected [20:57] <Shard> Not Haply ever after [20:57] <fawkes28> you never know - there have been crazier theories that mine wink [20:57] <Aislinn> CarpeDiem: I completely agree with your scenario [20:57] <RavenclawKitsune> lol [20:57] <Shard> But Happy, while still going through the trials of life [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha brett - teach everyone who is like him [20:57] <Dreamteam> Maybe if Snape dies he will take over Potions [20:58] <Dreamteam> now there's poetic justice [20:58] <Aislinn> ok, mandatory last question: Neville Longbottom: Live or die? [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> lol dreamteam [20:58] <Dreamteam> Live [20:58] <Shard> LIVE! [20:58] <futureweasley> I need SOME happy in the end...Neville is a good canditiate for that [20:58] <fawkes28> live [20:58] <CarpeDiem> lol dreamteam [20:58] <futureweasley> LIVE LIVE LIVE [20:58] <RavenclawKitsune> Die [20:58] <Expelliarmas> i have a bad feeling--dead [20:58] <BrettMac> LIVE! [20:58] * SoonerGryffindor cannot answer [20:58] <CarpeDiem> I really want Neville to live smile [20:58] <futureweasley> half live? [20:58] <Ravenclaws_Heir> oooh! I want him badly to live but I think he may die... [20:58] <fawkes28> but i fear after this chat that he may die [20:58] <Joyhawk2121> live [20:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think he will live, but he will be the character who gets a reprieve [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he will die [20:58] <Aislinn> Live - he has to [20:58] * BrettMac thinks Expie is a party pooper [20:58] <Tanaqui> live [20:58] <Shard> Half live FW? [20:58] <fawkes28> i think he will sacrifice himself unexpectedly sad [20:58] <CarpeDiem> Ignore her Shard ;) [20:58] <animaguscow> he has to live [20:58] <futureweasley> lol, right...maybe he will live on in memory [20:58] * Expelliarmas thinks BrettMac might be right, or I might just be cranky [20:58] <CarpeDiem> ...unless she can explain it. [20:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i hope jo tells us who the reprieve was [20:58] <fawkes28> perhaps to save harry [20:58] * Ravenclaws_Heir is going to be depressed the rest of the night...but I think he will die [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I thnk only one boy from the prophecy is going to be left standing [20:59] <RavenclawKitsune> im going with Die but plz doing kill me! [20:59] <cbm> i hope he lives [20:59] <cbm> LIVE [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> and I am convinced harry is going to live [20:59] <RavenclawKitsune> dont** [20:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> guys! in 4 months.... we'll know!!!! [20:59] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [20:59] <Ravenclaws_Heir> squeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [20:59] <Shard> So true [20:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *minor freakout* [20:59] <CarpeDiem> Sooner, the only other boy in the prophecy is LV smile [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, that sucks that the book is coming out so soon [20:59] <Aislinn> I don't see him as a Prophecy boy anymore sooner - lv made that choice [20:59] <BrettMac> four months... wow, guys. it'll all be over in 4 months... [20:59] <fawkes28> let's just enjoy -neville for now smile [20:59] <futureweasley> this was a great chat, guys! thanks so much for joining us!! [20:59] <RavenclawKitsune> 4 months!!! thats a long time y did u remind me!! [21:00] <Aislinn> this was an amazing chat, everyone - thanks so much for coming! [21:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thanks future - thanks mods!!!! [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I hope so.... but I have a bad feeing. it makes me nauseaous to even think about it [21:00] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed sooner...I get rather bipolar when I think about DH coming so soon [21:00] <fawkes28> thanks for coming! see you next time! smile [21:00] <Tanaqui> yep--great chatting, folks! [21:00] <CarpeDiem> Yes, great chat CB mods...well done! [21:00] * futureweasley gathers the chatters for the group hug [21:00] *** Tanaqui left #lounge [] [21:00] <Ravenclaws_Heir> ok, bye everyone!! Thanks mods! Great chat, as always! [21:00] *** animaguscow left #lounge [] [21:00] <CarpeDiem> Wonderful questions as always! [21:00] <Dreamteam> thanks for a great chat everyone. Bye [21:00] *** Ravenclaws_Heir left #lounge [] [21:00] <Aislinn> thanks, carpe smile [21:00] <BrettMac> bye evryone! great chat, as always! biggrin [21:00] <CarpeDiem> Bye! [21:00] <RavenclawKitsune> aww it over! [21:00] <Joyhawk2121> bye everyone [21:00] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [21:00] <futureweasley> ta ta...until next time [21:00] <Shard> Bye guys [21:00] *** Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] [21:00] *** Shard left #lounge [] [21:00] * fawkes28 sings so long, farewell [21:00] <futureweasley> don't forget...LoungeWide event on Saturday! Woot! [21:00] <RavenclawKitsune> Toodles! [21:00] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [21:01] *** RavenclawKitsune left #lounge [] [21:01] <Expelliarmas> see y'all on Saturday [21:01] <BrettMac> what's on satursay (sorry, i havent been on all week) [21:01] <BrettMac> *saturdayt [21:01] <futureweasley> Lounge Wide event, Brett...watch the news [21:01] <BrettMac> **saturday [21:01] <BrettMac> ok smile [21:01] <futureweasley> see you soon! [21:01] <BrettMac> bye everyone!...again. 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