WWW Corner Booth Transcript: April 3, 2007, Ginny: Little ember to roaring flame |
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Aislinn Expelliarmas fawkes28 Mr. McGonagall [18:58] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:02] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [19:02] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:02] *** animaguscow has joined #lounge [19:02] <fawkes28> hi stewie and cbm [19:02] <fawkes28> and animaguscow [19:02] <stewiegryf> howdy! [19:02] <cbm> Hi! [19:02] <Aislinn> Hi folks! [19:02] <animaguscow> hi [19:02] <stewiegryf> how's everyone on this fine wednesday? [19:03] <cbm> I am doing very well [19:03] <fawkes28> good smile [19:03] <Aislinn> it's definitely a Wednesday - hectic, hectic [19:03] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [19:03] <animaguscow> fine [19:03] <fawkes28> hi brett [19:03] *** danae24 has joined #lounge [19:03] <BrettMac> hey everyone! smile [19:03] <fawkes28> hi danae [19:03] <Aislinn> hi smile [19:03] <danae24> Finally!!! Snuffles didnt let me in! [19:03] *** moody has joined #lounge [19:03] <BrettMac> im waiting for pottercast to call me... i hope tongue [19:04] <moody> hello hello [19:04] <fawkes28> hi moody [19:04] <cbm> lol [19:04] <danae24> wasnt the call out show yesterday??? [19:04] <BrettMac> they called me last tiem, but since the show screwed up... sad [19:04] <BrettMac> no, call show's tonite, danae [19:04] <stewiegryf> No, danae, it's right now [19:04] <danae24> ohhh [19:04] <moody> oh, just re-readin HBP for the hundret time [19:04] *** TheBoyWhoLived has joined #lounge [19:04] <stewiegryf> I'm also waiting, too, Brett. [19:04] <moody> hey boywholived! [19:04] <danae24> I thought it was yesterday and I forgot to send my number [19:04] <TheBoyWhoLived> hello everyone! [19:04] <cbm> I finished it again last week, I have only been throuh HBP 3 times [19:04] <danae24> i guess I'll have to wait for the next time.... [19:05] <TheBoyWhoLived> I am so excited to be in my first leaky text chat! [19:05] <danae24> TheBoyWhoLived, you will love them!!!! [19:05] <moody> i woz chattin here yest but seemingly it was a private chat so they booted me out,did that eva happen anyone else?? [19:05] <BrettMac> i only read hbp twice... im embarassed poster_oops [19:05] <Aislinn> hi TheBoyWhoLived - welcome to the chat [19:05] <stewiegryf> Don't worry, me too Brett [19:06] <moody> cbm...3 times is good! im a bit of a freak readin it too many times! [19:06] <stewiegryf> I plan on once more before July 21 [19:06] <cbm> I have read it once and listed to it twice, listening is much better [19:06] <TheBoyWhoLived> Once .... I know I know I am so slacking off but I guess in my defence my school work is rediculously huge but I am gonna reread entire series twice before DH [19:06] <Aislinn> moody - there are scheduled chats in here, and also the room is used for meetings [19:06] <stewiegryf> Jim Dale or Stephen Fry? [19:06] <BrettMac> the only one ive read an excessive amount of times is PS/SS... its short and i can finish it quickly, when im on the go or very, VERY bored [19:06] <danae24> I'm on the "Lightning struck tower" chapter right now....... [19:06] <cbm> 1 each [19:06] <Aislinn> if you were here yesterday, it was during a meeting, not a chat [19:06] <danae24> I'm preparing myself to cry again [19:06] <moody> welcome boywholived..its mad fast though..takes gettin used to!! [19:06] <TheBoyWhoLived> What does blue text mean? [19:06] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:07] <cbm> I got dale from a library, and purchased fry while in the uk [19:07] <TheBoyWhoLived> thanks [19:07] <danae24> nothing, it's just the color you choose to represent you.... [19:07] <fawkes28> hi punky [19:07] <TheBoyWhoLived> Lol I guess i'll have to pull an all nighter so I can finish my homework [19:07] <moody> oh right aislinn..tanx [19:07] <danae24> Hello Punky! [19:07] <BrettMac> you can change your text color, click the << in the lower right corner [19:07] <Punky> Hey! [19:07] <stewiegryf> That's cool. I've only ever heard an entire Dale book and just bits of Fry's stuff. [19:07] <TheBoyWhoLived> mm Don't see << something screwies going on with my irc [19:07] <BrettMac> i had hbp on audiobook, but i didnt listen to it much... somehow, it got deleted of my itunes [19:08] *** stupifiant_horcri has joined #lounge [19:08] <cbm> bummer [19:08] <fawkes28> hi stupifiant_horcri [19:08] <TheBoyWhoLived> ouch [19:08] <Aislinn> it's over to the right of where you type, TheBoyWhoLived [19:08] <TheBoyWhoLived> hi stupifiant [19:08] *** stupifiant_horcri has quit [Bye] [19:08] <moody> oh i wanna get the audio book, the stephen fry one [19:08] <danae24> brb...... phone's ringing [19:08] <cbm> I really prefer to listen [19:08] <TheBoyWhoLived> mm nope I don't see it.. it is not there.. my browser is telling me that it is still loading [19:08] <BrettMac> lol, danae, if it's pottercast... tongue [19:08] <moody> theboywholived! [19:09] <TheBoyWhoLived> Hello moddy [19:09] <TheBoyWhoLived> *moody [19:09] <cbm> It makes it impossible to skip anything, so I like to listen [19:09] <BrettMac> i prefer reading, then i can do my own character voices... i do a VERY good hermione [19:09] <TheBoyWhoLived> listen? .. can you hear me now? heh [19:09] <danae24> nope, I forgot to submit my number Brett......  [19:09] <moody> it just at the corner of ur screen,the bottom hand corner [19:10] <danae24> I agree with you Brett, I preffer my voices to the audio books guys [19:10] <moody> theboywholived,there talkin bout the audiobooks! [19:10] <cbm> Actually, the only book I have not enjoyed listening to is the 1st 15 chapters of OotP, it kind of drags for me [19:11] <cbm> The last 10 chapters are great though!!! [19:11] <moody> theboywholoived,ya know where ur typing,look to the end and you'll see the arrows to change the colour of ur text [19:11] <TheBoyWhoLived> O sry I thought they meant listen to the chat. Sry guys [19:11] *** TheBoyWhoLived has quit [Bye] [19:11] *** TheBoyWhoLived has joined #lounge [19:12] <TheBoyWhoLived> oops [19:12] *** brevilledragon has joined #lounge [19:12] <moody> i can wait to get the audio books, ya know i got the no1 ladies detective agency on audio book and it was great,did anyone read them?? [19:12] <Aislinn> hi brevilledragon [19:12] *** pygneapuff75 has joined #lounge [19:12] <TheBoyWhoLived> hey brevilledragon [19:12] <brevilledragon> hi all! [19:12] <moody> welcome back theboywholivd!!:) [19:12] <BrettMac> i dont read much except hp... [19:12] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ya I wish I had the audio books as well. Maybe someday [19:13] <pygneapuff75> hello everyone smile [19:13] <brevilledragon> hp is getting in the way of my actual course books sad [19:13] <danae24> Hi pygneapuff75!!! [19:13] <TheBoyWhoLived> thanks moody.. hi pygneapuff [19:13] <cbm> I got my 1st audio book at the library [19:13] <brevilledragon> i'm meant to be reading possession: a romance by thingy wyatt [19:13] <TheBoyWhoLived> Lol same with me breville.. I have to restrain myself during the week or I don't get anything done [19:13] <brevilledragon> i keep getting distracted by order of the phoenix [19:13] *** PotterFiend has joined #lounge [19:13] <danae24> I think I will ask for the audiobooks on my library... I dont have to money to buy them [19:13] <TheBoyWhoLived> hey potter fiend [19:13] <moody> its a good idea to get them from the library and put them on ur mp3's then bring them back...a book for free forever!! [19:14] <brevilledragon> to be fair though, it's the last 4 months EVER, i want to theorise and think as much as poss, even at the expense of my degree... [19:14] <TheBoyWhoLived> ya but that is like pirating moody [19:14] <BrettMac> ...isnt that called piracy? [19:14] <danae24> I'm not going to copy them....... I will just listen to them..... [19:14] <TheBoyWhoLived> lol silence [19:14] <brevilledragon> meh, if they didnt want people to pirate things they shouldnt give it such a cool name [19:14] <moody> teehee...i know theboywholived!:) [19:14] <Aislinn> that is piracy [19:15] <PotterFiend> I agree brevilledragon. What will we do with no more books to guess about?! [19:15] <BrettMac> i dont see why the audiobooks are as expensive as they are, though... i could understand, twenty, or maybe 30 bucks, but at my bookstore (in canada) they're around 100! *gasps* [19:15] <cbm> I do not think it is piracy if you only listen once, I did not rip them myself [19:15] <TheBoyWhoLived> How much in U.S>? [19:15] <BrettMac> no idea. ive only been to america 3 times tongue [19:15] <stewiegryf> Yes, they are pretty expensive here. DH retails at 79.99 [19:15] <brevilledragon> precisely fiend, all my friends/family are getting annoyed at me talking nonstop about HP at the moment but i feel like it's my last chance [19:15] <moody> its not really piracy..im not sellin them... [19:15] <TheBoyWhoLived> It's only piracy if u take the libraries' and copy it [19:15] *** MattiekTLC has joined #lounge [19:16] <Aislinn> Hi MattiekTLC: [19:16] <PotterFiend> my husband is beginning to think he has competition... [19:16] <stewiegryf> Hey Matt! [19:16] <BrettMac> hey matt [19:16] <TheBoyWhoLived> welcome mattie [19:16] <moody>  [19:16] <brevilledragon> and there's so many clues i know i've missed [19:16] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [19:16] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [19:16] <fawkes28> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:17] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:17] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:17] <Aislinn> We first see Ginny as a little girl, running alongside the train, waving her brothers off to school. She at first seems to be a shy, quiet thing, based on her actions around Harry. [19:17] <Aislinn> Eventually, though, we see Ginny develop into a feisty, funny and popular girl, and in the last book, become Harry's partner. Let's explore this youngest Weasley child and how she has grown. [19:17] <Aislinn> What was your first impression of Ginny? [19:17] <moody> shy [19:17] <brevilledragon> shy, quiet [19:17] <fawkes28> that is a great question! [19:17] <Punky> She never really stuck out to me at first [19:18] <brevilledragon> definitely starstruck [19:18] <PotterFiend> Poor girl with that many brothers! [19:18] <stewiegryf> I honestly didn't give her a second thought when we meet her in SS. [19:18] <BrettMac> i thought she would turn out to be the fangirlish, obsessive, "lykOMG" kind of fan of harry. i never thought she'd have such an important role [19:18] <fawkes28> i thought she was a very quiet and shy girl [19:18] <brevilledragon> which is why i never thought her & harry would get together, because she was so starstruck and fangirly [19:18] <moody> ivery very shy! [19:18] <MattiekTLC> She reminded me of a female Colin Creavy <sp>. [19:18] <BrettMac> either that or a minor character, like parvati and padma patil [19:18] <fawkes28> i really didnt think she would play much of a role in the series when we first met her [19:18] <Aislinn> she seemed like a cute little girl to me, but I didn't give her much notice either [19:18] <TheBoyWhoLived> shy, quiet but I thought from the begining she had a crush [19:18] <danae24> she was too shy [19:19] *** moody left #lounge [] [19:19] <brevilledragon> if anything i think she progressed too quickly into confident ginny - i mean i know it was because she didn't fancy him anymore [19:19] *** Morgan_Noxwell has joined #lounge [19:19] <Morgan_Noxwell> hey [19:19] <Aislinn> hi Morgan_Noxwell [19:19] <stewiegryf> I thought she was just there to serve as another way to show Harry was somewhat popular in the Wizarding World. [19:19] <Morgan_Noxwell> what's up? [19:19] <TheBoyWhoLived> I figured she had a crush but I never thought she would make anything of it. [19:19] <brevilledragon> hi morgan [19:19] <brevilledragon> but i felt like she became to perfect and feisty too suddenly [19:19] <Morgan_Noxwell> subject ginny right? [19:19] <pygneapuff75> i thought she was just the little sister at first [19:19] <Aislinn> we've just started talking about our initial impressions of Ginny [19:19] <danae24> She just got star-struck with Harry...... [19:19] <danae24> she is his biggest fangirl! [19:19] <fawkes28> yes, morgan [19:20] <BrettMac> sort of like me with melissa, john and sue... tongue [19:20] <fawkes28> we are talking about our first impressions of her [19:20] <BrettMac> only no fan "girl" [19:20] <Morgan_Noxwell> oh I totally did not think of her character as being major in any way except to show the popularity of Harry - I never thought they would end up in a relationship [19:20] <PotterFiend> I felt that from comments to the effect of "she isn't usually like that" from Ron that we weren't seeing the real Ginny, due to her awe of Harry. [19:20] <danae24> lol Brett! [19:20] <Aislinn> Ginny is the 7th child of the Weasley clan, and the only girl. What influence do you think this had on her? [19:20] <BrettMac> agreed potterfiend [19:20] <Morgan_Noxwell> she has to stand up for herself and try to stand out... [19:20] <TheBoyWhoLived> Anyone else feel sorry for her a bit? With all those brother.. Bill, Charlie, Percy.. a lot to live up to [19:20] <Morgan_Noxwell> but not in the way ron does... b/c she's teh youngest [19:20] <brevilledragon> i don't think she has the thing ron has of having to prove herself better than her brothers [19:20] <Punky> youngest and only girl, definitely had to learn to hold her own [19:20] <stewiegryf> Being the youngest makes you a little bit tougher I think. [19:21] <BrettMac> i think it was less of an important part, more of symbolism on jo's part that we should have picked up on, hinting that she would be more important [19:21] <brevilledragon> she already has something which makes her stand out, because she's a girl [19:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> maybe she feels this pressure to be good. [19:21] <fawkes28> i think she had to learn how to survive [19:21] <danae24> She must have some really especial power.......... to be able to withstand LV possessing her....... that's strong! [19:21] <Aislinn> I think that she was actually the little girl that all her family kind of pampered [19:21] <stewiegryf> I think shes picked up on all the good qualities from all her brothers. [19:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah agree stew [19:21] <animaguscow> she is tough because of haveing 6 brothers [19:21] <danae24> she had to survive 6 boys, so 1 dark lord is just a breeze [19:21] <Aislinn> with the brothers she had though, she probably did have to be tough [19:21] <brevilledragon> so like where ron is jealous of his brothers for various things, i don't think that's an issue with ginny [19:21] <BrettMac> being the seventh child definitely helped her be as strong as she is, with all those older siblings to pick on her [19:21] <Morgan_Noxwell> it probably helped that she had so nay older brothers.. [19:21] <TheBoyWhoLived> I think it made her tough.. maybe a little tomboyish even [19:22] <Morgan_Noxwell> she learned from all of them on the good and the bad [19:22] * BrettMac resents danae's last comment [19:22] <fawkes28> i agree TheBoyWhoLived [19:22] <Aislinn> I think the issues are different, as the only girl [19:22] <Morgan_Noxwell> and figured out how to be sneaky and smart and a girl still [19:22] <danae24> I dont think they picked on her Brett, I think they protected her more... [19:22] *** danae24 left #lounge [] [19:22] <brevilledragon> and they're protective of her but she's learnt to deal with that, ie when we see her telling them who she dates is none of her business [19:22] <fawkes28> she learned to be competitive and feisty because of all of those boys [19:22] <Aislinn> they may have picked on her a bit, but I think they didn't as much, as the only girl and the baby [19:22] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah [19:23] <brevilledragon> they all seem to see her as a force to be reckoned with [19:23] <brevilledragon> ...bat bogey hex [19:23] <Morgan_Noxwell> she really did get all the best from all the brothers. [19:23] <Aislinn> Which of her brothers do you think Ginny has the most in common with? [19:23] <fawkes28> i think she also has a fierce loyalty because of the boys [19:23] <Morgan_Noxwell> maybe bill [19:23] <brevilledragon> i think perhaps the twins or bill? [19:23] <Aislinn> yes, I think she has a lot in common with the twins [19:23] <brevilledragon> she's confident and funny and spunky and doesn't mind breaking the rules, like the twins [19:23] <stewiegryf> Like I said, I think she's picked up a little bit from each of them. [19:23] <Morgan_Noxwell> he's got that awesome earing and cool hair going for him...but he's smart. [19:23] <brevilledragon> and bill's a bit like that too [19:24] <Morgan_Noxwell> he takes things easy [19:24] <MattiekTLC> Charlie - kinda like him to be the reckless type to try to get noticed. [19:24] <fawkes28> Bill or Charlie - i think she may get her sense of adventure from the two of them [19:24] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ginny has the most in common with Ron I think. Although they brothers did not pick on her like they did Ron they can still relate to each other in being the "lowest on the foodchain" [19:24] <brevilledragon> she doesn't seem much like percy although i think she had more sympathy with him than the others early on [19:24] <Aislinn> I see a definite mischievious streak in her, that is similar to the twins [19:24] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [19:24] <stewiegryf> I would probably say Charlie or Bill as well. They both seem pretty level headed and easy going, as well as both have pretty impressive magical skills. [19:24] <brevilledragon> but ginny isn't jealous of her brothers' achievements like ron is [19:24] <PotterFiend> I find it a little hard to tell, as I feel I don't know so much about Bill or Charlie - but definately not Percy! [19:24] <fawkes28> i think we can all agree that she has the least in common with the evil git Percy [19:25] <Aislinn> hey chocolateisnotforbreakfast [19:25] <Morgan_Noxwell> evyone does [19:25] <TheBoyWhoLived> good point brevill [19:25] <MattiekTLC> good point fawkes [19:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey everyone smile what's the question? [19:25] <Aislinn> right, breville, I don't think she is either [19:25] <stewiegryf> here here fawkes [19:25] <brevilledragon> ron is always trying to live up to his brothers [19:25] <brevilledragon> that's not an issue with ginny [19:25] <Aislinn> which brother is Ginny most like is the question, chocolateisnotforbreakfast [19:25] <pygneapuff75> i think charlie [19:25] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ya Ginny hates Percy .. she called him a git didn't she [19:25] <fawkes28> i think that her and Ron are actually quite different [19:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the twins... i think JKR made that pretty clear [19:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [19:26] <brevilledragon> there doesn't seem to be much pressure on her as regards achieving like them, she seems strong enough to be able to stand alone without comparing herself to them [19:26] <BrettMac> her and ron are worlds different [19:26] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> there were a LOT of comparisons between her and the twins in HBP [19:26] <MattiekTLC> Charlies goes off to Romania to work with dragons... not the quiet kind of life you'd expect... IMHO Fred and George and not nearly reckelss as Charlie is. [19:26] <fawkes28> she has a lot of confidence and Ron really doesn't even though he has really made strides [19:26] <Aislinn> and some in OotP as well, yes, chocolate [19:26] <BrettMac> i see her as being the fred and george type, along with bill, and i see ron being a charlie type. percy's all on his own [19:26] <MattiekTLC> Charlie probably suffers the most from having to be "noticed" by everyone... similar problem that I think Ginny has. [19:26] <Morgan_Noxwell> good pt fawkes [19:26] <TheBoyWhoLived> Idk being the youngest in my family and can tell you that we can definatly relate to the situation of other people who are the youngest.. always getting hand me downs etc [19:27] *** Danidunes has joined #lounge [19:27] <brevilledragon> yeah chocolate, and it's ginny that is dancing with the twins in the "HEGOTOFF, HE GOTOFF" bit after harry's trial in OotP [19:27] <fawkes28> hi Danidunes [19:27] <BrettMac> shes more mature than a lot of her brother [19:27] <BrettMac> *brothers [19:27] <BrettMac> mentally, i mean [19:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> but ginny never seemed to care about hand me downs... ron did. [19:27] <brevilledragon> well she's a girl! so she will be more mature than her brother's ;) [19:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ginny never had clothes hand me downs [19:27] <brevilledragon> brothers* [19:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> right [19:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> but second hand books, etc. [19:27] <Morgan_Noxwell> no worries from her [19:28] <TheBoyWhoLived> I guess Ginny wouldn't get manny hand me downs [19:28] <TheBoyWhoLived> She would were dresses etc [19:28] <MattiekTLC> I expect not as the baby-girl of the family ;) [19:28] <TheBoyWhoLived> *many [19:28] <Aislinn> that's often the case, brett, that girls mature faster than boys [19:28] <stewiegryf> Ginny doesn't seem to think what people think of her. She will hang out with Luna and not care how others view her. [19:28] <fawkes28> yes, girls are a lot smarter than boys sometime [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Ginny = nauseatingly perfect [19:28] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah' [19:28] <brevilledragon> perhaps she's seen everyone else get annoyed about handmedowns before so by the time she gets them she's come to terms with it [19:28] <TheBoyWhoLived> Percy is perhaps very self concious.. unlike Ginny I think [19:29] <fawkes28> Ginny is not perfect [19:29] <Aislinn> I don't see Ginny as perfect at all chocolateisnotforbreakfast [19:29] <brevilledragon> i agree with chocolate though, she isn't bothered about this stuff, she's very strong, feisty, funny: it seems a bit mary sue to me [19:29] <fawkes28> we wouldnt like her if she was [19:29] <Morgan_Noxwell> brb!! [19:29] <BrettMac> she has character flaws, just like everyone in hp. thats what makes her real [19:29] <Aislinn> Ginny seemed fascinated by Harry right from the fist book. Was this just a crush on a famous boy, or was it love at first sight? [19:29] <pygneapuff75> crush [19:29] <stewiegryf> Crush on a famous boy. [19:29] <MattiekTLC> totally crushing [19:29] <TheBoyWhoLived> I don't think it was either [19:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> total crush [19:29] <BrettMac> i think it began as starstruckness, but became love. she wanted him for fame at first but then saw him as a real person once she got to know him [19:29] <brevilledragon> and i'm never sure if i DO like her because she's so... it seems like Jo tries to make us like her a little too much [19:29] <PotterFiend> Really just a crush - she didn't really know him. Love came later. [19:30] <Aislinn> I agree, Brett [19:30] <animaguscow> It started off as a crush [19:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly belvilledragon [19:30] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ginny didn't have a crush on the "famous boy" or love at first sight. I think she actually was crushing on Harry.. not the scar. If you know what I mean [19:30] <BrettMac> agreed, boywholived [19:30] <MattiekTLC> agree [19:30] <Aislinn> yes, TheBoyWhoLived - I think it was more Harry the person [19:30] <fawkes28> she had a crush but they are soulmates so maybe it was love at first sight [19:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i wonder if she had a crush on him before meeting him? reading about him or something? [19:31] <brevilledragon> i think she was crushing on the scar... but started to see him more as a person, and then he saved in in chamber obv so she saw his heroism at close hand [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> realizing he was only a year older than her [19:31] <Aislinn> she obviously knew of him, as the rest of the wizarding world did [19:31] <brevilledragon> chocolate - i wouldn't put it past her to have a crush from having read about him, much like her mother has a crush on lockhart from having read about him [19:31] <PotterFiend> one year is a big deal at 11/12 years, but smaller at 15/16 [19:31] <BrettMac> agreed, potterfiend [19:31] <PotterFiend> ick lockhart! [19:32] <Morgan_Noxwell> just saw the question and I totally think it was a crush on someone she'd heard about only.... especially since ron probably talked about it all syummmer long [19:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe like mother like daughter, brevilledragon! [19:32] <brevilledragon> so her & her mother both liked these fictional heroes [19:32] <TheBoyWhoLived> When was the first time Ginny saw Harry? [19:32] <BrettMac> in ps/ss, at kings cross [19:32] <Morgan_Noxwell> I mean, in the first book you don't hear her being that googley puppy young love girl that you hear about in book 2 [19:32] <PotterFiend> At the train station wasn't it [19:32] <brevilledragon> but then ginny discovered harry's heroism wasnt all fiction [19:33] <TheBoyWhoLived> Like was she crushing at the first glance of him or did it come maybe the second glance? [19:33] <BrettMac> i think it was book 2 when we saw her see him as a real human being, and it developed from there. [19:33] <Morgan_Noxwell> she just KNEW about him from stories... it was after Ron told them all about how he saved hogwarts from LV that she was like "whoa!" [19:33] <Aislinn> Ginny is the last Weasley, all of whom are sorted into Gryffindor - why do you think she was put in this house? [19:33] <Morgan_Noxwell> then when she finally saw him in the flesh [19:33] <Morgan_Noxwell> well - golly! [19:33] <brevilledragon> they set it up in the film though that she likes him immediately at the station... i can't remember in the book cos i've lost my copy of philosopher's stone [19:33] <BrettMac> she's brave, no doubt about it [19:33] <Morgan_Noxwell> b/c she fits the bill of bravery [19:34] <Danidunes> girls always crush on the older brothers friends [19:34] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ginny is brave. She stands up for what she believes in. Someone mentioned earlier how she talked with Luna instead of hanging out with the "popular girls" [19:34] <Morgan_Noxwell> lol! [19:34] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [19:34] <BrettMac> she didnt think twice about joining them in the DoM. she's very brave--VERY brave. [19:34] <fawkes28> she is very brave and doesn't give anything a second hestitation [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because she has to be in order for her to fit into the plot of CoS [19:34] <Morgan_Noxwell> yeah agreed TheBoyWhoLived [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> :-D [19:34] <Aislinn> I think she exhibits a lot of the traits that are valued by Gryffindor House [19:34] <brevilledragon> i wonder if it asked her if she wanted to go in slytherin too? she's fairly ambitious and [19:34] <MattiekTLC> It's what she chose, right? The person choses their house. [19:35] <brevilledragon> i see parellels with both her and harry having had bits of voldemort's soul in them [19:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she would of course choose to be with harry [19:35] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed brettmac [19:35] <Morgan_Noxwell> hmmm yeah you never really know about the other guys except hermione [19:35] <MattiekTLC> I agree - she wanted to be with Harry. [19:35] <Morgan_Noxwell> as far as other houses. [19:35] <TheBoyWhoLived> Does the actual sorting hat talk outloud or isi that just movie? We would have heard if it asked her to go to slytherin right> [19:36] <Morgan_Noxwell> Please gryf. I must flirt with Harry! [19:36] <Morgan_Noxwell> it's only in your head. [19:36] <Morgan_Noxwell> not out loud [19:36] <brevilledragon> and i think perhaps the bits of their own souls that had had voldemort's soul in would... recognise each other and that's maybe why they were drawn to each other eventually [19:36] <TheBoyWhoLived> Woah I have been reading it wrong all these years! [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha tbwl [19:36] <Morgan_Noxwell> it sings out loud. [19:37] <Morgan_Noxwell> b/c harry never hears anything else when other ppl use the hat except for when HE'S on the stool [19:37] <brevilledragon> *is freezing [19:37] <BrettMac> in the movies it spoke out loud, but i think that was just to prove a point... but this is getting off topic [19:37] <TheBoyWhoLived> I know it sings outloud I meant the actual probing your brain etc.. Dang now I HAVE to reread all the sortings to get the right image before DH [19:37] <fawkes28> I don't think the sorting hat hestitated with Ginny [19:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> We didn't see ginny sorted [19:37] <Morgan_Noxwell> hmmm def. something to re-read.... [19:37] <fawkes28> she definitely has strong gryffindor qualities [19:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they were being yelled at by snape [19:37] <BrettMac> something i just remembered... we didn't actually see her get sorted [19:37] <Punky> I agree Fawkes, even because Ginny is a very descive person [19:37] <Morgan_Noxwell> this is great b/c you can re-read the books again with all this ginny stuff in mind [19:37] <TheBoyWhoLived> Bug ya she def has Gryff qualities [19:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ugh... i try to keep her out of my mind lol [19:38] <brevilledragon> i suppose she has to be brave as she becomes part of the sextet eventually. but then... luna is too, but she's ravenclaw. so how come she's in ravenclaw and not gryffindor, when she's so brave? [19:38] <Aislinn> In Chamber of Secrets, Ginny found a diary in amongst her school books, and chose to write in it, not letting on that the diary was answering her back. Was this her own choice, or did the diary enchant her into not revealing its secret? [19:38] <Morgan_Noxwell> i don't really like ginny as a character but she's not unpleasant... to me she didn't really add anything to the 6th book and I was surprised when they got together.... I'm not saying she's bad, she just was in the same league as luna was.... to me [19:38] <TheBoyWhoLived> Luna is smart .. (I think) [19:38] <pygneapuff75> she is very knowledgeable on subjects she likes [19:39] <BrettMac> i think it must have enchanted her. she may have been young, but she wasnt that naive [19:39] <pygneapuff75> her own choice [19:39] <Morgan_Noxwell> she probably just wanted to keep it all a secret so that she could enjoy the treat of having a "friend in my pocket" [19:39] <fawkes28> i think she may have been drawn to the diary because i am sure it gives of magical vibes [19:39] <brevilledragon> and i think she woud have been embarassed to admit what she'd done after her father's warnings about enchanted magical objects [19:39] <PotterFiend> Girl - diary - crush - that is probably how it started but then she was drawn into it. [19:39] <pygneapuff75> you dont want to show people your diary no matter what [19:39] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed pygneapuff it was her own choice [19:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's what all of us want... to give our secrets and have someone talk back immediatly and accept us and interact with us... it's why we're here in this chatroom, right? [19:39] <BrettMac> agreed potterfiend [19:39] <Aislinn> I think that going away to Hogwarts after being the baby in the family was probably a bit of a scary thing, and that was her initial motivation [19:40] <PotterFiend> Agree aislinn [19:40] <Aislinn> After that, I think she probably got drawn in by the enchantment [19:40] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed morgan_noxwell I like how u stated that [19:40] <fawkes28> she did have a choice but i think this diary played on her weaknesses and she was in a cycle and just was not strong enough to break it [19:40] <MattiekTLC> I think that perhaps - someone (or something) was finally taking notice of her. [19:40] <Morgan_Noxwell> what a way to have your first year at hogwarts - get abducted by tom riddle in a secret chamber [19:40] <BrettMac> i dont write in a diary, but i know people who do to get rid of their unhappy emotions. she saw that harry didnt like her in the same way, and used the diary as an escape route [19:40] <animaguscow> her choice but, then it after bit it enchanted her [19:40] <fawkes28> that is a good point, mattie [19:41] <brevilledragon> and we all think of her as "really strong" now, but i suppose it must have sapped a lot of her strength before things got really nasty, so she didn't have the power to resist [19:41] <fawkes28> people always have a choice on some level [19:41] <TheBoyWhoLived> Well look at it this way, even if the thought did come by her.. would you have admitted? It is kind of embarasing/wierd/dangerous. [19:41] <PotterFiend> Sometimes writing stuff out helps you to deal with it better, to work it through in your mind, and get it out of your system. But usually the diary doesn't talk back! [19:41] <Morgan_Noxwell> yes TheBoyWhoLived [19:41] <pygneapuff75> i agree boywholived [19:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> when it's something that starts out innocently, and takes hold in a very, very subtle way, it's MUCH harder to realize you have a choice than when it's an obvious cause-effect choice [19:42] <Aislinn> Given the fact that we later learn that Ginny is naturally outgoing and funny, why did she choose to keep to herself and relate to the diary more than to her classmates? [19:42] <brevilledragon> me too tbwl - after she realised something funny was up she wouldn't want to admit what she'd done in case she looked silly. no one wants to look silly in their first year [19:42] <TheBoyWhoLived> I don't think Ginny had or has many friends outside the trio [19:42] <fawkes28> I think she felt a lot of pressure to live up to her brothers standards [19:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because she's socially aware enough to know that nobody wants to hear her obsess about Harry Potter [19:42] <PotterFiend> May have felt a bit out of her depth. [19:43] <brevilledragon> we don't know for sure that she related less to her classmates. i think she's very confident but doesn't necessarily talk about deep, personal stuff with her friends [19:43] <BrettMac> i think she became outgoing and funny after she saw what happened when you didn't--she was scared to keep to herself anymore after the diary incident [19:43] <MattiekTLC> agreed fawkes [19:43] <fawkes28> i also think she is used to being around boys - and didn't really bond with the other girls in her house [19:43] <brevilledragon> much as i can't imagine the twins talking about deep personal stuff [19:43] <PotterFiend> hehehe very true brevilledragon! [19:43] <brevilledragon> living with boys, she wouldn't have talked about this type of thing at home, so i don't think she would have at hogwarts etiher. she may have been perfectly outgoing amongst her housemates, but the diary was her own secret personal private self [19:43] <Aislinn> I think that once she got involved with talking to Tom, he was already drawing some of her soul out, which made it harder for her to interact with others [19:44] <BrettMac> she couldve been a bit of a tomboy when she started hogwarts, but gradually branched out to her more feminine side [19:44] <brevilledragon> good point aislinn [19:44] <Aislinn> She was also losing whole sections of time that she couldn't remember - that had to be very scary [19:44] <Morgan_Noxwell> definitely aislinn [19:44] <TheBoyWhoLived> Lol this is like cigaretts.. she couldnt' get off the rush [19:44] <Punky> That's true Aislinn, it must have made it harder and harder for her to interact and relate [19:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the same reason why all of us are talking to online people instead of real people... because we have the same interest in Harry Potter, just like Ginny and Voldemort did [19:44] <brevilledragon> i think she knew she'd done wrong by that stage - playing with things when she couldn't see "where they kept their brains" - so she was frightened to admit it as well [19:45] <PotterFiend> Thanks for the chat everyone - sorry I have to go now. [19:45] <Aislinn> bye PotterFiend [19:45] <BrettMac> bye potterfiend! [19:45] *** PotterFiend left #lounge [] [19:45] <TheBoyWhoLived> bye potterfiend thanks for coming [19:45] *** hpmuggle152 has joined #lounge [19:45] <Aislinn> hi hpmuggle152 [19:45] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:45] <TheBoyWhoLived> welcome hpmuggle [19:45] <BrettMac> hey hpmuggle! [19:45] *** hpmuggle152 has quit [Bye] [19:45] <brevilledragon> hi hpm [19:45] <brevilledragon> bye hpm [19:45] <TheBoyWhoLived> bye hpm (lol) [19:45] <brevilledragon> o_O [19:46] <pygneapuff75> lol [19:46] <Aislinn> Why do you think that Ginny kept this secret throughout the school year, even after she started to realize that there was something odd going on? [19:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because if it came out, there would be no chamber of secrets climax.... [19:46] <pygneapuff75> she was too scared to talk to someone, thinking she might get expelled [19:46] <fawkes28> i think the guilt was eating away at her [19:46] <BrettMac> guilt. definitely [19:46] <brevilledragon> as i said i think she knew she'd done something that her father/family wouldn't approve of, messing with strange books, so she was mortified and was frightened to tell anyone [19:47] <TheBoyWhoLived> Addiction to emotional release, too scared to mention anything, frightened of the unkown [19:47] <Aislinn> I think she was afraid that she might be going crazy [19:47] <fawkes28> she didnt want to mess up and have to leave hogwarts [19:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the same reason harry didn't tell anyone about parseltongue [19:47] <brevilledragon> and she tried to deal with it herself - which is what ginny does. i think we see the beginning signs of her strength there, when she tries to discard of the diary [19:47] <TheBoyWhoLived> Well Harry didn't know chocolateisnotforbreakfast [19:47] <animaguscow> she thought she would get into trouble [19:47] <Aislinn> excellent point, chocolateisnotforbreakfast [19:48] <Aislinn> he also wondered if he was going nuts, just like ginny [19:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yup [19:48] <brevilledragon> and as we know, when she does get up the courage to speak to harry and ron about it, percy interrupts her [19:48] <TheBoyWhoLived> one sec [19:48] <BrettMac> i seer a lot of parallels between harry and ginny in CoS [19:48] <TheBoyWhoLived> but Ginny said that she was aware of what she was doing while she was in the trances [19:49] <TheBoyWhoLived> she just wouldn't stop it [19:49] <brevilledragon> i thought she wasn't aware? [19:49] <TheBoyWhoLived> *couldn't sry [19:49] <brevilledragon> she said she was having blank patches [19:49] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> there are, brett... and they come back in OotP when she confronts harry about being posessed and when he thinks he's being posessed [19:49] <brevilledragon> but found feathers on her clothes and stuff [19:49] <TheBoyWhoLived> Did it? ack movie is getting confused with book for me again [19:49] <Aislinn> She told Harry in OotP that she couldn't remember doing things [19:49] <Danidunes> Jenny pales in character to the rest of the weasley clan, do you think this lack of personality will be amended in book 7? [19:50] <fawkes28> she was just very young and vulnerable at that time - if it had happened in her fifth year - i do not think she would have let it go that far [19:50] <brevilledragon> i think ginny and harry are drawn to each other because they've both been possessed by voldemort. there's that darkness and understanding in both of them [19:50] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [19:50] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i liked the brooding, "can't seem to catch a break with Harry" Ginny [19:51] <BrettMac> hmm... maybe, brevilledragon, but i think there's more to it than that [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> makes her more real [19:51] <Aislinn> When Harry went to rescue her in the Chamber of Secrets, he found her on the floor, having her soul drained out and into the "memory" of Tom Riddle. Do you think this has had a lasting impact on her, magically? [19:51] *** Books_4_eva has joined #lounge [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> when dementors come to call, yes [19:51] *** joyfullysirius has joined #lounge [19:52] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [19:52] <mollywobbles23> hi! [19:52] <Books_4_eva> hi people [19:52] <Aislinn> hi folks [19:52] <pygneapuff75> i dont think so as she is shown to be powerful later on [19:52] <MattiekTLC> Hmmm... never considered that before.. might explain some of her power increase with the DA. [19:52] <mollywobbles23> what's the question? [19:52] <TheBoyWhoLived> sry guys I may pop in and out for a sec I am trying to adjust text [19:52] <Aislinn> repeat of question for new arrivals: When Harry went to rescue her in the Chamber of Secrets, he found her on the floor, having her soul drained out and into the "memory" of Tom Riddle. Do you think this has had a lasting impact on her, magically? [19:52] <mollywobbles23> no [19:52] <MattiekTLC> Maybe some power residue from Voldie? [19:53] <pygneapuff75> ewwww [19:53] <BrettMac> hm... not really, no. i think she got most of her soul back with the destruction of the diarycrux. [19:53] <MattiekTLC> errr. TOm. [19:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it made dementors affect her more, but i don't think there's anything inherently different about her [19:53] <brevilledragon> one thing i don't get about that bit, and this is off topic, but if the diary is a horcrux ie a piece of soul, and tom riddle is pouring bits of his soul into ginny through the diary, is he putting the horcrux into her?? [19:53] <TheBoyWhoLived> I don't think it had a lasting impact. Madam Promfrey did her mojo [19:53] <joyfullysirius> I don't think so either [19:53] <fawkes28> she was possessed for an entire year - i think that has to have some magical impact on her [19:53] <Books_4_eva> I don't think it had an [19:53] <BrettMac> what if ginny is a horcrux? smile ive heard it many times, and i dont buy it for a second [19:53] <animaguscow> no, not magiclly [19:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she was only posessed for bits of the time, wasn't she? [19:53] <Morgan_Noxwell> I don't know about magically, but def. mentally. I dont' think she has any part of LV soul in her at this time. [19:53] <pygneapuff75> psychological impact but no majical [19:53] <Books_4_eva> when the horcruxe was desroyed so was the conection [19:54] <pygneapuff75> magical [19:54] <MattiekTLC> Moragan: I agree there. [19:54] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed pygneapuff [19:54] *** Fereverto has joined #lounge [19:54] <Danidunes> can a horcrux make a horcrux? [19:54] <Aislinn> he didn't commit a murder first, breville, and was a memory ina book [19:54] <brevilledragon> i don't think she is a horcrux, but if the horcrux/soul-ness was moveable from riddle to ginny, this has good signs for harry being able to move his own horcruxness to somewhere else without dying, if he IS a horcrux [19:54] <Morgan_Noxwell> agreed Books_4_eva [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha good question danidunes [19:54] <Aislinn> the memory cannot create a Horcrux [19:54] <Morgan_Noxwell> no [19:54] <fawkes28> but it is a long time - there may be something that we do not know yet which will effect her in the 7th book [19:54] <Morgan_Noxwell> danidunes [19:54] <Books_4_eva> though I guess an impact could be a worse affect from the dementores and some unsetaling memorys [19:55] <Danidunes> didn't think it could. [19:55] <brevilledragon> i'm not saying he made ginny into a horcrux, just wondering how a piece of soul (a horcrux) can make its soul flow into someone else [19:55] <Aislinn> I agree, pygneapuff75 - I think it must have had lasting psychological effects, but I don't think it had lasting magical ones [19:55] <mollywobbles23> Wouldn't DD have thought of this? [19:55] <Morgan_Noxwell> I don't think that was the case.... [19:55] <Morgan_Noxwell> breville [19:55] <joyfullysirius> Yes DD would have thought of this [19:55] <BrettMac> ill brb everyone [19:55] <TheBoyWhoLived> I don't think so. If anything she could have a psychological relapse in the last book upon seeing/hearing about Voldemort but magicaly, no she's ok [19:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> she was just a vessel and it didn't work so she's free of whatever was orginally happening to her [19:56] <brevilledragon> *shrug* i just don't get that bit, i haven't decided what i think about it yet [19:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> and back to normal [19:56] <Aislinn> Ginny chose to write a poem for Harry and have it delivered by the dwarves on Valentine's Day. Did it surprise you to learn that it was her? How did this fit with your understanding of this character up to this point in the story? [19:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> are you wondering if the soul (horcrux) from the diary was going INTO ginny? [19:56] <pygneapuff75> i agree morgan [19:56] <mollywobbles23> yes, I think that once a part of a soul is in something, it can't be transferred. [19:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Haha, i loved it... totally Ginny [19:56] <Morgan_Noxwell> fit perfectly and yes I knew it was her [19:56] <joyfullysirius> Ginny has grown magically alot over the course of the books esp. since she got over being shy around Harry [19:56] <mollywobbles23> it's hard to think back to when I first read it and what I thought [19:57] <fawkes28> oh yes it sure surprised me! i thought she was so very quiet and shy [19:57] <mollywobbles23> I was a little surprised, but not that much [19:57] <Books_4_eva> didn't surprise me in the least, bless he it fits her so well [19:57] <fawkes28> it showed she had gryffindor bravery in her [19:57] <brevilledragon> yes morgan, pretty much, they say riddle was pouring his soul into ginny - and his soul IS the horcrux - anyway, off topic - [19:57] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:57] <Punky> I was surprised she was so open about it, but it was cute [19:57] <pygneapuff75> knew it was ginny, she was still fangirling him [19:57] <Morgan_Noxwell> I don't think she knew she'd be around when it happend. [19:57] <fawkes28> wb, cbm [19:57] <Aislinn> I was surprised that she would be bold enough to do this, as she had seemed so shy and timid [19:57] <cbm> hi again [19:57] <fawkes28> yes, it was cute, punky [19:57] <Danidunes> I think Jenny is fine because she can love. she loves harry. [19:57] *** MattiekTLC has quit [Bye] [19:57] <animaguscow> not really, Ron said it was odd for for her to be quiet [19:57] <cbm> what is the ? [19:57] <TheBoyWhoLived> It surprised me that she would publicaly display her affection like that but I think somewhere in the back of my mind I had an incling that she like him. [19:58] <Morgan_Noxwell> i was shy and timid around this guy in HS but took the guts to send a daffodil to him during the flower sale... well, it was embarassing when we finally saw each other but now we're married... lol! [19:58] <Morgan_Noxwell> so I totaly understood ginny there [19:58] <Aislinn> Ginny chose to write a poem for Harry and have it delivered by the dwarves on Valentine's Day. Did it surprise you to learn that it was her? How did this fit with your understanding of this character up to this point in the story? [19:58] <Aislinn> repeat [19:58] <brevilledragon> and i never used to tell guys i liked them but i would send them a valentine if i could. it's all clandestined and romanticky [19:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i thought it was desperate and stupid [19:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> which is wonderful [19:58] <Morgan_Noxwell> sometimes you just have to do it. [19:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> becaus that's real love [19:58] <cbm> thanks, I always thought it was fred and george and I was very surprised to find out it was her [19:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we all do desperate and stupid things when we're in love [19:59] <brevilledragon> i assumed it was her straight away because she was there and looked stricken, although later i looked back and saw she was stricken about the diary. but still, i always assumed it was her [19:59] <Morgan_Noxwell> you don't think about the consequences b/c sometimes you just have to get it out there and do something about your feelings...and ginny did... she's brave, yeah? so why not be brave about that [19:59] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [20:00] <brevilledragon> she is somewhat lacking in the lyrical skills though [20:00] <Morgan_Noxwell> I never felt desparate...I really wanted to tell my guy how I felt...b/c I couldn't say it. [20:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, bravery to the point of foolishness, morgan [20:00] <joyfullysirius> Ginny was tried of trying to wait for Harry to make a move at this point [20:00] <BrettMac> ...i thought it was her. she had a bit of an obsession with harry in that book. wink [20:00] <mollywobbles23> well, she was only 11 [20:00] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [20:00] <TheBoyWhoLived> welcome back aislinn [20:00] <TheBoyWhoLived> biggrin [20:00] <Aislinn> thanks - my connection seems to be hiccuping [20:00] *** Fereverto left #lounge [] [20:00] <TheBoyWhoLived> For her to display that kind of open affection so young was huge. I certainly could not have done that at 11. [20:00] <mollywobbles23> lag [20:01] <Morgan_Noxwell> sorry to say it but I have to get going... my husband just got home and it's dinner time! have fun tonight and hope they call you! [20:01] <Morgan_Noxwell> goodnight[20:01] <Aislinn> In Prisoner of Azkaban, Ginny seemed to react quite strongly to the visit by the Dementor on the Hogwarts Express, as she was "shaking like mad" and looking "nearly as bad as Harry felt". Why do you think the Dementor affected her this strongly? [20:01] <fawkes28> bye morgan [20:01] <brevilledragon> if she thought it would work though, she must have been naive. i suppose she was naive at this piont, because she trusts too. i think she has her naivety and innocence stolen in the chamber [20:01] <TheBoyWhoLived> bye morgan thanks [20:01] <Aislinn> bye morgan [20:01] *** Morgan_Noxwell has quit [Bye] [20:01] <brevilledragon> trusts riddle too* [20:01] <fawkes28> i think she was reliving her experiences of being possessed [20:01] <pygneapuff75> she remebered about tom.the diary [20:01] <Aislinn> certainly a lot of her trust, breville [20:02] <cbm> lag [20:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> memory of being posessed... i can't imagine it being anything else [20:02] <mollywobbles23> because, even though she knew it wasn't her fault, she still felt guilty about what happened her first year. [20:02] <cbm> I think it was the diary [20:02] *** Books_4_eva has quit [Bye] [20:02] <Aislinn> I think that is a really horrible memory for her, and it is also still only a few months in the past [20:02] *** NiGHTS has joined #lounge [20:02] <joyfullysirius> It had to have been the memory; she almost died in the chamber! [20:02] <mollywobbles23> she may have gotten memories back from when she had blacked out [20:02] <NiGHTS> Hiya everyone biggrin [20:02] <TheBoyWhoLived> Well we know dementor's only affect you strongly if like Lupin said you have expierianced really really terrible things. Being possed by Voldemort is not walk in the park she definately had that. [20:02] <Aislinn> hi NiGHTS [20:03] <TheBoyWhoLived> hi nights [20:03] <brevilledragon> must be the diary i suppose. perhaps, as harry hears his parents (something he couldn't before recall to conscious mind) she recalls scenes from whilst she was possessed which she didn't before remember [20:03] <cbm> Maybe the memory of her conversations with tom Riddle are enough to scare her [20:03] <fawkes28> i really think there is nothing else that would have made her act that way besides being possessed [20:03] <Aislinn> yes, TheBoyWhoLived - the Dementors would be more likely to affect her and also Neville, than it would Ron and Hermione, as they don't have horrible memories in their past [20:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that'/s what i think breville... i think she relives some of what she did... killing roosters and setting the basilisk on people [20:03] * mollywobbles23 wishes PC would call her [20:03] <cbm> I agree fawkes [20:03] <Punky> I agree, and it's possible it's the first time she could actually remember these things if she didn't remember them at the time [20:04] <BrettMac> lol molly [20:04] <pygneapuff75> lol [20:04] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast is wishing it too [20:04] <Danidunes> what is jenny's bogart? [20:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *hugs molly* [20:04] <TheBoyWhoLived> In my past I was talking to the stranger in a car along our road (country middle of nowhere) and my sister yelled for me to come back inside the gate cause a second guy was coming out the truck. [20:04] <mollywobbles23> hug [20:04] <joyfullysirius> I'm just hoping that I can download it this time...I cannot get the last 2 podcasts to download!! [20:04] <TheBoyWhoLived> I can tell you it still scares me so that is probably what it is like for ginny [20:05] <pygneapuff75> scary [20:05] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [20:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i wonder why ron wasn't more scared... he had that spider thing happen not long before the dementor came, too [20:05] <fawkes28> Let's remember to stay on topic, folks! [20:05] <TheBoyWhoLived> very.. it still gives me chills down my back to think about it. .. Things like that don't just wash away from your memory. They stick with you. [20:06] <mollywobbles23> I didn't mean to! sorry! [20:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ginny ginny perfect ginny :-D [20:06] <NiGHTS> Go on ... new questionn ;) [20:06] <Joyhawk2121> hello everyone [20:06] * mollywobbles23 hangs head in shame [20:06] <NiGHTS> Hi Joyhawk [20:06] <Aislinn> that's a good point, chocolateisnotforbreakfast - that was a traumatic experience for Ron [20:06] <brevilledragon> maybe ron's already managed to deal with the spider thing in his mind, whereas harry & ginny haven't come to terms with their pasts yet [20:06] <TheBoyWhoLived> sry I just told my side story for analogy perposes [20:06] <cbm> Waking up with feathers on me would scare me too, especially if there is no memory of what happened This post has been edited by fawkes28: Apr 4 2007, 08:38 PM -------------------- |
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[20:06] <Aislinn> Hi Joyhawk2121
[20:07] <pygneapuff75> food point breville [20:07] <NiGHTS> I'd imagine after facing a forest full of acromantula, Ron has faced his worst fear !!! [20:07] <joyfullysirius> Hi Joyhawk [20:07] <pygneapuff75> good lol [20:07] <cbm> I think the spider thing is much less scary than Voldemort [20:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, and yet he's still scared of them in Lupin's class when the boggart comes [20:07] <Aislinn> When Harry fell off his broom and ended up yet again in the hospital wing, Ginny showed up with a homemade Get Well card. Did this tell us anything about how this character was developing in the story? [20:07] <brevilledragon> and we know ron can deal with his fear of spiders, we see it in the boggart scene. but how are harry and ginny supposed to "deal" with what they've been through? [20:07] <Aislinn> good point, breville [20:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it was another desperate attempt to get his attention [20:07] <TheBoyWhoLived> I don't think it told us much [20:07] <cbm> It showed that she was caring [20:08] <fawkes28> i think this moved from "crush" to "caring" [20:08] <brevilledragon> she's gaining confidence though, she dared to bring it herself this time [20:08] <Aislinn> I think this time, though, she showed up with it in person, instead of sending an anonymous poen [20:08] <Joyhawk2121> I agree Fawkes [20:08] <NiGHTS> Yeah, at that stage she doesn't especially "know" Harry, yet she still makes him the card ... I thought it showed a bit of guts to be honest [20:08] <Aislinn> poem [20:08] <animaguscow> She care for him but, still has the crush [20:08] <Aislinn> It had to have taken a lot of courage for her to do that [20:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *sigh* i miss crushing ginny [20:08] <BrettMac> she had realized that going right out there and sending a singing valentine was a bit too far for someone who didnt even like her that much. She was staying within her limits while still showing that she cared [20:08] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ginny was a good friend of Harry so she sent a get well card. Agreed fawkes ... all of her friends did it [20:08] <joyfullysirius> Does anyone ever wonder why all the Weasleys seem so have so much power? The card must have been some good magic too.. [20:08] *** bleulaguna has joined #lounge [20:08] <fawkes28> it was an appropriate thing to do - she just wasnt fangirling him [20:08] <fawkes28> hi bleulaguna [20:09] <BrettMac> agreed fawkes [20:09] <bleulaguna> hello! [20:09] <NiGHTS> Hiya bleulaguna [20:09] <TheBoyWhoLived> welcome bleulaguna biggrinbiggrin [20:09] <Danidunes> weasley family have the power of love! [20:09] <joyfullysirius> Hi bleulaguna [20:10] <NiGHTS> I think the Weasleys are a typical magical family/typical large family [20:10] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ya I think it was just a regular show of care from a friend to friend.. Perhaps the fact that it was homemade meant she cared more.. maybe [20:10] <NiGHTS> Ginny has the whole 7th daughter of 7th ect ect ect thing going on though [20:10] <cbm> I think it also shows that Molly taught her good manners [20:10] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [20:10] <Aislinn> hi expie! [20:10] <fawkes28> hi expie [20:10] <BrettMac> hey expie [20:10] <joyfullysirius> It's more than that Danidunes, every one of the Weasleys have strong magic [20:10] <Expelliarmas> heya peeps [20:10] <NiGHTS> Hi exp [20:10] <TheBoyWhoLived> biggrin Welcome Expelliarmas biggrin [20:10] *** sdcurtis has joined #lounge [20:10] <brevilledragon> she still doesn't quite get what to do to attract boys though, she makes it sing annoyingly all the time which is sort of what she does... her crush on harry is obvious and incessant, much like the singing of the card [20:10] <Aislinn> In Goblet of Fire, Ginny accepts an invitation from Neville to attend the Yule Ball. What did you think of her accepting this invitation? [20:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she likes harry... him getting hurt is a great time to remind him that she's around [20:11] <TheBoyWhoLived> biggrin Welcome sdcurtis biggrin [20:11] *** Crookshanks03 has joined #lounge [20:11] <sdcurtis> hello [20:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because she wouldn't have been able to go otherwise [20:11] <Expelliarmas> it was the only way she was going to go [20:11] <BrettMac> she was trying to make harry jealous, maybe? [20:11] <fawkes28> it shows she is a very compassionate youn woman [20:11] <Crookshanks03> hellow [20:11] <TheBoyWhoLived> biggrin welcome crookshanks  [20:11] <cbm> She wanted to go and she took her chance [20:11] <pygneapuff75> she was being nice and she knew harry wasnt gonna ask her [20:11] <NiGHTS> It was her best shot, at the time of asking ... she must have thought it was her only way, as an underage student, of going [20:11] <Aislinn> I think she did see it as her best shot [20:11] <Joyhawk2121> she did not want to miss out on the Yull ball [20:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> really fawkes? i mean, she does get to gain a yule ball party in the process, so it's not completely selfless [20:11] <brevilledragon> she was a bit embarassed about it though, which is out of keeping for her - as she's not embarassed to sit with luna. perhaps she just grows out of it the same as harry does [20:11] <bleulaguna> She wanted to go with someone, and is a kind person, also realizing Harry wasn't planning on asking her. [20:12] <sdcurtis> Perhaps it was not so much a way of making Harry Jealous, but a way for him to sit up and take notice someone felt she was worth asking [20:12] <TheBoyWhoLived> I think she wanted to go so she said yes. Maybe she was hoping she would get a dance with Harry. [20:12] <BrettMac> i'd go to the yule ball with pasnsy parkinson if i was below the age limit at the time--it sounded like so much fun biggrin [20:12] <animaguscow> she was bing nice, plus she wouldn't of been able to if she didn't [20:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha brett [20:12] <Aislinn> lol, Brett [20:12] <NiGHTS> Did you all really feel for her though, when Ron said: "Right, Harry, you take Ginny ..." [20:12] <fawkes28> i think she cared about Neville - and didn't want him to be without a date - i do not think she was being selfish [20:12] <Aislinn> What does it say about Ginny that she did not try to get out of her date with Neville when Ron suggested she go to the Ball with Harry? [20:12] <Expelliarmas> it also says a lot about her that nervous Neville could feel comfortable enough asking her [20:12] <TheBoyWhoLived> It means she has manners [20:12] <cbm> It showed that she had character! [20:12] <brevilledragon> and hermione's going with someone else works to make ron jealous but ginny's going with neville just doesn't [20:13] <Aislinn> I agree, expie - it does say something about her kind nature [20:13] <BrettMac> she had made a promise and was sticking to it [20:13] <pygneapuff75> she already said yes to neville it would have been cruel [20:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it means she's perfect! :-D [20:13] * BrettMac still thinks she was trying to make harry jealous tongue [20:13] <Aislinn> not even close, chocolateisnotforbreakfast [20:13] <animaguscow> she keeps to her word [20:13] <brevilledragon> it means she's too perfect *looks dark* [20:13] <mollywobbles23> she keeps her promises [20:13] <Expelliarmas> it means she won't have Harry settle for her as a desperate last minute option [20:13] <NiGHTS> I don't think syhe's the kind of person who would ever do that, Aislinn ... however tempted she must have felt , for a moment [20:13] <fawkes28> yes, ginny has great morals and cares about neville - she would never go back on her word [20:13] <Crookshanks03> yeah, she doesn't go back on her word even if she might want to [20:13] <joyfullysirius> She did want to go she says this at some point & Hermoine told her to forget about Harry for a while. She's too compassionate to dump Nevile [20:13] <cbm> Neville had so little confidence at this point, she could have told him she did nt want to go and he would have accepted it [20:13] <TheBoyWhoLived> semi agree bret.. she might have wnated to make him jealous but the main reason was because she is nice [20:13] <fawkes28> Harry was too stupid to ask her in the first place laugh [20:14] <Aislinn> she was obviously very dejected by the thought of missing out on going with Harry, but she stuck to her word [20:14] <brevilledragon> i think at that stage she would've had harry settle for her for any option. but i think she's been taught better than going back on a promise with neville [20:14] <NiGHTS> lol@Fawkes [20:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, but she hasn't done anything wrong yet, aislinn! all we've done is sing her praises. she made one bad choice about the diary. but Ginny after GoF is Mary Sue [20:14] <bleulaguna> Just like Cho didn't say no to Cedric just because Harry asked, although Cho is nothing like Ginny, at all! ;) [20:14] <NiGHTS> At that stage, I don't think HArry saw her like that, in any way, shape or form [20:14] <Aislinn> I think he still saw her as just Ron's little sister at this point, fawkes - it wouldn't have occurred to him to ask her [20:14] <sdcurtis> It also shows she's not desperate [20:14] <brevilledragon> i think she's mary sue too chocolate. i can't relate to her, i find her very forced and contrived, overly perfect - even her shortcomings are built in a way to look good [20:14] <Crookshanks03> maybe she wanted harry to know she was worth asking out, and not just his best friend's little sister [20:14] <NiGHTS> lol@Aislinn and I having identical opinions for last 4 topics ; ) [20:15] <Expelliarmas> Neville would have accepted getting dumped, but Ginny's too much a class act for such a thing [20:15] <Aislinn> I really disagree with the Mary Sue characterisation of Ginny - she is much too 3 dimensional for that [20:15] <cbm> chocolate, JKR said she was Harry's equal, she is a kind and caring person, what do you expect her to be? [20:16] <brevilledragon> i think she would have been 3D if she had been like that from the start, and i know the "reason" why she wasn't, but she's too good too quickly. there's not much build up of characterisation [20:16] <NiGHTS> I think Ginny's a lot more complex than we've been allowed to see, so far ... there's a lot more to her than meets the literary eye [20:16] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:16] <fawkes28> hi CarpeDiem [20:16] <NiGHTS> Hi carpe [20:16] <fawkes28> it's good to see you smile [20:16] <brevilledragon> it's just, one second she's ron's little nobody of a sister, the next second she's this fiery heroine that harry loves [20:16] <Crookshanks03> hi diem [20:16] <Expelliarmas> actually, Ginny doesnt begin acting like herself until Hermione suggests it [20:16] <CarpeDiem> Hi all! [20:16] <TheBoyWhoLived> smile welcome carpediem smile [20:16] <Expelliarmas> it's not as if she wasnt that way at all [20:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I know expelliarmas [20:17] <NiGHTS> good point, expie ! [20:17] *** Crookshanks03 left #lounge [] [20:17] <Aislinn> We see a lot more of Ginny in Order of the Phoenix. First, at Grimmauld Place, we see her blithely lie to Molly about who was using dung bombs. Did she seem different to you in this book? [20:17] <bleulaguna> In HBP, they say all the boys like Ginny, did that happen overnight? [20:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i was so upset that her real character wasn't the shy, able-to-relate-to girl who couldn't seem to get the guy she loved's attention [20:17] <mollywobbles23> yes, but in a good way. [20:17] <fawkes28> she is feisty [20:17] <Expelliarmas> the point in GoF where she was seen as an afterthough date was a turning point for her character [20:17] <TheBoyWhoLived> Lol sry but what does blithely mean tongue [20:17] <fawkes28> and not shy at all - she has come to be her own person [20:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> fawkes... that's the first descriptive word for a mary sue [20:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [20:17] <Expelliarmas> no, bleu, it started happening likely in GoF [20:17] <cbm> I think this is the first time we got to see her [20:17] <Aislinn> yes, expie, i think she realized that it was time to be herself [20:18] <BrettMac> she was becoming more rebellious with age. teenagers do that tongue [20:18] <brevilledragon> she was a complete different character. a different character got written in in ootp instead of ginny [20:18] <NiGHTS> Yeah, Ginny definately comes to the fore in OooP; she suddenly seems much more like Harry, Ron and Hermione's peer, as opposed to someone notably younger [20:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yes... it was time for her to be funny, fiery, beautiful, confident, self-aware, and clever [20:18] <bleulaguna> blithe means joy [20:18] <TheBoyWhoLived> No Comment I have only read OotP once and I can't recall all that stuff [20:18] <Aislinn> and carefree [20:18] <fawkes28> she let go of the idea of waiting for harry [20:18] <CarpeDiem> Not necessarily different brev...just more mature, more confident I think. [20:19] <Aislinn> yes, carpe [20:19] <brevilledragon> it's too much all at once for me [20:19] <NiGHTS> I imagine that JKR always had Ginny doen as that character, it's just that OooP was the first opportunity for her to show her character [20:19] <Joyhawk2121> yes, confident [20:19] <Aislinn> I think that it has been a gradual evolution, and if you re-read the books, you can see this gradual maturation of her character [20:19] <brevilledragon> that fiery confident girl wouldnt let just liking a boy turn her into a shy frightened girl [20:19] *** pygneapuff75 left #lounge [] [20:19] *** Howie_64 has joined #lounge [20:20] <TheBoyWhoLived> Welcome Howie glad you could join us [20:20] <Danidunes> the thing is that harry didn't really notice jenny until jenny wasn't fawning on him. [20:20] <Howie_64> Hey guys (and ladies), whats the topic? [20:20] <joyfullysirius> I agree Nights, Ginny wasn't shown much in the other books so we didn't see her grow & mature as much as say we saw Harry [20:20] <NiGHTS> Hi Howie [20:20] <fawkes28> Ginny is the topic [20:20] <Howie_64> Lol. K. [20:20] <cbm> she also did not hang around the trio until HBP, so she was out of the way [20:20] <bleulaguna> I love when Harry recognizes her natural scent from the Amortentia, that was lovely to me...like he didn't even realize it yet. [20:21] <Aislinn> that was because it is all from Harry's viewpoint, and she is under his radar at first [20:21] <Aislinn> but we do see her change and grow [20:21] <NiGHTS> I'd really like to have seen Ginny interacting in her own classes, with her own classmates, but it's just intergral to the plot [20:21] <bleulaguna> And when he knew, he was suprising himself that he was drawn to it, enough to long for it. [20:21] <TheBoyWhoLived> OMG sry guys brb my brother is playing Numa Numa over and over.. 40th time I think.. I have to go tell him to turn it down brb 2 secs [20:21] <CarpeDiem> Yes, that's a great point. We don't really pay attention to her until HE starts too. [20:21] <joyfullysirius> Yes we do it's just not in the foreground of the story [20:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i want to see her be mean to just one innocent person.... [20:21] <Howie_64> Eventually, yes. But I would have thought after being posessed in CS that she would be a bigger part in the series. [20:21] <NiGHTS> lol [20:22] <cbm> She was mean to fleur [20:22] <Aislinn> yes, carpe - I'm actually surprised at the nuances that are presented for her character throughout the series, as I didn't notice them the first time around [20:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> fleur is hardly innocent [20:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she's a witch with a capital b [20:22] <TheBoyWhoLived> back (still loud) but ya she was mean to fleur I think [20:22] <Danidunes> fluer is a snot [20:22] <brevilledragon> lol choc =D [20:22] <Aislinn> Is this an actual change in Ginny, or is it just that Harry is finally starting to notice who she really is? [20:22] <TheBoyWhoLived> lol choc [20:22] <bleulaguna> I love her commentary about fleur, rather, phlegm. [20:22] <mollywobbles23> Harry finally started noticing [20:22] <sdcurtis> It might be a bit of both [20:22] <cbm> I think it is both [20:22] <TheBoyWhoLived> Harry starting to notice [20:22] <Howie_64> I think it is a change. [20:22] <Aislinn> I think it is a bit of both, too [20:22] <NiGHTS> I think a lot of her feelings for Fleur come from her mother's attitude and the fact that Fleir is very overtly feminine, whereas Ginny is feminine in a more "kick-ass" kinda way [20:23] <TheBoyWhoLived> he was clueless untill then [20:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i hope it's all just in harry's pov [20:23] <Expelliarmas> Harry finally cottoned on--took an age [20:23] <brevilledragon> mainly ginny. a bit of harry. she's so brash and confident that if she's been like that before he couldn't not have noticed really [20:23] <animaguscow> harry starting to notice [20:23] <Howie_64> Harry wouldn't have noticed Ginny had she not changed. [20:23] <Danidunes> so the more notices jenny the more she becomes? [20:23] <Aislinn> that's a great point, Howie_64 [20:23] <fawkes28> i think they both changed - they both grew up [20:23] <cbm> I think that ginny has gotten over Harry being TBWL, and harry notices her more [20:23] <brevilledragon> nah, the more she becomes, the more he notices [20:23] <bleulaguna> But did she truly change, or was Harry just starting to get to know her, and it was there always? [20:23] <NiGHTS> Yeah, agreed, Fawkes [20:23] <fawkes28> it needed to happen in order for the story to progress [20:24] <Aislinn> but I think that it wasn't so much that she changed, as she relaxed and allowed him to see who she really is [20:24] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I like the idea of both. Girls tend to mature faster than boys. Not only did she mature but Harry is paying more attention so we get more detail. The combination gives us a lot more of her involvement to think about. [20:24] <cbm> that is true, they both are growing up and becoming more mature [20:24] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [20:24] <Howie_64> However, Harry did have his mind set on Cho and only Cho for the longest time. Maybe without Cho...I dunno. [20:24] <Aislinn> hi Mr M [20:24] <TheBoyWhoLived> I'm not so sure.. perhaps Harry at first noticed her because she was getting older and "developing" more but then he saw she was actually really nice. [20:24] <NiGHTS> I think JKR does a great job in allowing her characters to grow up during the books, going through all the teen angst and exploration that we all did [20:24] <fawkes28> I think she did change, Aislinn - she became more confident and sure of herself [20:24] <NiGHTS> (or mighjt still be going through lol) [20:24] <TheBoyWhoLived> Welcome Mr. McGonagall [20:25] <fawkes28> hi mr. m [20:25] <CarpeDiem> The other way too, Aislinn. Harry may have written her off as a fan girl at one point. He knows at this point that she's not that way at all. [20:25] <NiGHTS> Hiya MrMcG [20:25] <sdcurtis> I don't think he really noticed Ginny until she set him straight about being posessed by Voldemort [20:25] *** Punky left #lounge [] [20:25] <Aislinn> we're talking about whether Ginny chaned or we just think she did because Harry started noticing her, Mr M [20:25] <brevilledragon> in CoS she's very naive and once that naivety's gone, she has to become stronger, and that leads to more confidence later etc [20:25] <cbm> I actually think that the library was more important [20:25] <NiGHTS> She grew up .. [20:25] <Aislinn> library? [20:25] <fawkes28> the library? [20:26] <bleulaguna> The scene at christmas? [20:26] <cbm> chocolate egg [20:26] <TheBoyWhoLived> library? [20:26] <bleulaguna> when they were alone? yea. [20:26] <MrMcGonagall> She did change and mature, but Harry noticing it made us notice it. [20:26] <NiGHTS> Damn, there's a big spider in my lounge !!! ***Acromantula alert !!!*** [20:26] <cbm> it was in the library and they got chased off [20:26] <Howie_64> Not so naive...but innocent. I think that posession made her grow up. And Harry rescuing her sure helped their relationship, at least in Ginny's eyes. [20:26] <brevilledragon> also more weasley's left school, so she didn't feel the weight of so many brothers above her, which gave her more space to become her own person instead of just "the weasley's little sister" [20:26] <Expelliarmas> Actually, MrM, the rest of us cottoned on way before Harry [20:26] <Aislinn> I agree, expie [20:27] <Aislinn> Ginny tells Neville "Don't be silly...she's all right." in regards to Luna Lovegood, and is consistently pleasant to her. What does this say about Ginny's character? [20:27] <sdcurtis> Ginny has never set yelled at him and essentally told him to stop having a pity party until that Christmas. Which would make him take notice because normally that's a Hermione thing to do [20:27] <MrMcGonagall> Ginny is generous and warm-hearted. [20:27] *** NiGHTS has quit [Bye] [20:27] <cbm> It shows her kindness to most people [20:27] <joyfullysirius> I don't think that being the Weasley's little sister bothered Ginny Half as much as Ron being the youngest Weasley boy did [20:27] <Howie_64> Ginny reminds me a lot of Lily in the pensieve scene. [20:27] *** BrettMac has quit [Bye] [20:27] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ginny sees people for who they really are .. she is not shallow [20:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that she's compassionate and loves everyone, even the dorks, and loves them more than the main character does [20:27] <fawkes28> i think it shows that Ginny has a kind spirit [20:27] <CarpeDiem> She's not quick to judge. She'll take her time to get to know people. [20:28] <Expelliarmas> she has an affinity for oddballs [20:28] <sdcurtis> She see's people for who they really are [20:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and that her love knows no bounds! compassion away! [20:28] <fawkes28> and that she doesn't care what other people think [20:28] <Aislinn> I agree, that she has quite a warm spirit and a real kindness [20:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> selfless to the extreme! [20:28] <brevilledragon> she sees everyone for what they are, she must have magic eyes like harry. [20:28] *** Danidunes has quit [Bye] [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> She'll stick up for the oddball, too! [20:28] <Howie_64> She can be pretty fierce though. [20:28] <mollywobbles23> that she doesn't care what others think and that she sees Luna for who she is. [20:28] <Howie_64> Again, like Lily. [20:28] <Aislinn> that's quite untrue, chocolateisnotforbreakfast - as she quite dislikes phlegm [20:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> selfless, AND strong... AND beautiful! what's not to love... that's what kills me... again, phlegm isn't one who needs love as she loves herself quite enough [20:29] <MrMcGonagall> You don't want to be on Ginny's bad side, but it's not that difficult to be on her good side. [20:29] <TheBoyWhoLived> I really admire her for being able to see past the "cover" of people. She gets to know people and is truly kind. [20:29] <Aislinn> too true, Mr M - she has been known to throw a Bat Bogey hex at people who annoy her [20:29] <Aislinn> not something you would see a selfless character do [20:30] <sdcurtis> Fred and George know not to cross her [20:30] <bleulaguna> She has a perfect balance tenderness and strength. [20:30] <Howie_64> Her relationship with Fleur is odd to me. She seems like she would do whatever Bill says, goes. That he is the ultimate "cool". Why, then would she dislike Fleur so much? Maybe she's just mad, or jealous? [20:30] <TheBoyWhoLived> brb guys mom just home with groceries [20:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because fleur's not fun to be around... she makes jabs at people and undermines hospility [20:31] <joyfullysirius> Ginny might not like Fleur because she doesn't think she is good enough for Bill [20:31] <Aislinn> Ginny joins the DA, and we see her doing well in the lessons Harry is giving re: DADA. What do you think of Ginny's magical powers? [20:31] <CarpeDiem> Howie, I think you hit it on the head there. I think both Ginny and Hermione ar a bit jealous because she seems to have ALL the boys' attention while at the Burrow.. smile [20:31] <bleulaguna> Maybe she doesnt realize people are becoming just as drawn to her as people seemingly can be for Fleur, though superficial [20:31] <Aislinn> we'll get to Fleur in a few minutes smile [20:31] <Expelliarmas> we're told she's a powerful witch [20:31] <cbm> We find out that fred and george were right about size and power [20:31] <Howie_64> Lol, sorry. [20:31] <sdcurtis> Pity the person who comes across her in a fight [20:32] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [20:32] <Expelliarmas> heya pleshette [20:32] <joyfullysirius> AS I said before all the Weasleys seem to have alot of talent [20:32] <Aislinn> hi Pleshette [20:32] <Howie_64> I think her powers have something to do with her being the seventh Weasley child. [20:32] <MrMcGonagall> She's quite a powerful witch. [20:32] <fawkes28> hi Pleshette [20:32] <CarpeDiem> I think being the youngest female of all male siblings has taught her a thing or two about sticking up for herself and of course the odd spell or two smile [20:32] <Pleshette> Hi! [20:32] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [20:32] <fawkes28> hi Tanaqui [20:32] <sdcurtis> She's dangerous because she can play the sweet, helpless defensless girl if she wanted, but that's just a cover to the spell she'll hit you with [20:32] <Expelliarmas> actually, joy, it's been hinted at that Ginny is powerful even amongst the Weasleys [20:33] <brevilledragon> she's good at hexes. are hexes like a bad version of charms? lily's wand was good for charmwork. i can't help but wonder why harry & ginny echo james & lily so much [20:33] <bleulaguna> While I don't see her as a tomboy, she seems to have taken hints from watching her brothers. [20:33] <Aislinn> I think that Ginny is a powerful witch, there have been several hints that indicate this [20:33] <fawkes28> she is sweet and feisty all at the same time [20:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> don't forget powerful and funny! [20:33] <TheBoyWhoLived> I'm back.. what is the new topic.. welcome pleshette and tanaqui [20:33] <Howie_64> Does anyone else see the connection with her being the seventh Weasley child? We know its a powerful number. [20:33] <joyfullysirius> Yes Expe I remember reading something about that [20:33] <cbm> fred and george said it very early on that she was powerful, it should not surprise us [20:34] <brevilledragon> and beautiful! [20:34] <Pleshette> yes and it's mentioned in OotP [20:34] <brevilledragon> even blaise fancies her [20:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> not really howie... hehe, i think it's just how it is smile [20:34] *** AnnaNoe has joined #lounge [20:34] <CarpeDiem> There's a big difference between hearing it and seeing it in action. Gotta love those hexes! [20:34] <fawkes28> hi AnnaNoe [20:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sup anna smile [20:34] <TheBoyWhoLived> welcome annanoe [20:34] <Aislinn> Ginny reminds Harry that she is the only person he knows who has been possessed by Voldemort. Does this possession have a role in the connection that they feel for each other? [20:34] <joyfullysirius> No it shouldn't surprise us [20:34] <AnnaNoe> hi [20:34] <brevilledragon> Yes. [20:34] <Expelliarmas> No, I don't think so at all [20:34] <sdcurtis> yes [20:35] <TheBoyWhoLived> He new quirrel? [20:35] <Howie_64> I think so. They have both faced and survived Lord Voldemort. [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure it does, really. [20:35] <bleulaguna> I think it is a deeply personal connection, and something only they could share with deepest understanding. [20:35] <TheBoyWhoLived> Knew quirrel [20:35] <Expelliarmas> Voldemort did not transfer any powers to Ginny or mark her as his equal [20:35] <cbm> I do not think so, I think the scene just showed how far ginny was out of Harry's mind [20:35] <fawkes28> i think it creates a connection between them but they still would have gotten together if they both did not experience this [20:35] <Pleshette> Yes I believe it's the first time Harry may feel a connection to Ginny beyond Ron's sister, not romanticaly though at this point [20:35] <sdcurtis> They both share an experience that not many people have lived to tell about [20:35] <Howie_64> And it doesn't hurt that Harry played "knight" and rescued the "damsel" in distress. [20:35] <animaguscow> yes, they both know LV well [20:35] <Expelliarmas> I'd rather think their connection is based on something good rather than LV [20:35] *** AnnaNoe left #lounge [] [20:35] <brevilledragon> riddle transferred ginny's soul to him and his soul to ginny. that's transfer of powers [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> It's not exactly a warm and fuzzy memory they share. [20:35] <CarpeDiem> If only another commonnality between the two. I don' t think there is any sort of attchement; magical, physical or otherwise. However, when you share a common frightening experience with someone, it can certainly bring you closer. [20:36] <TheBoyWhoLived> I think it will let them connect somewhat but it is not a huge thing [20:36] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed MMG [20:36] <brevilledragon> expe - it is based on something good, it's based on power to overcome evil [20:36] <Expelliarmas> No, breville, he did not [20:36] <joyfullysirius> No I don't think it made any lasting connection, it just helped Harry calm down & think about what she had to say at the time [20:36] <brevilledragon> he did! he says he did. [20:36] <Pleshette> Well, it's not positive but it's a connection that they've learned or are learning to overcome, that's positive in my eyes [20:36] <Expelliarmas> There is not a part of LV's soul within Ginny [20:36] <bleulaguna> I think it gave him a brief shockwave because he wasn't thinking about it at all. [20:36] <Aislinn> At what point in the story did you realize that Ginny was in love with Harry? What gave you that impression? [20:37] <TheBoyWhoLived> I think through that conenction Ginny and Harry are able to help each other overcome [20:37] <Expelliarmas> Um, CoS? She had a total crush on Harry [20:37] <MrMcGonagall> That morning in the Burrow in CoS, although I suspected they would get together from the train platform in PS/SS [20:37] <brevilledragon> there isn't NOW, but tom riddle does say she pours her soul into him through the diary and he poured his back into her [20:37] <cbm> I thought she always liked him, that feeling never went away from the beginning of PS/SS [20:37] <Pleshette> I'm not sure about when she was in love with him, she had a crush early on but I wouldn't call it love at that point [20:37] <TheBoyWhoLived> CoS when the crush came into my mind but I didn't full realise the exstent until OotP when the love message was revealed to be from her [20:37] <MrMcGonagall> I didn't see evidence that it was more than fascination until CoS. [20:37] <fawkes28> i do not think love occurred until HBP [20:38] <Pleshette> me too fawkes [20:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, when she was crushing... i had a feeling that she still liked him after she started being her perfect, dating-everyone-else self [20:38] <cbm> agreed fawkes [20:38] <joyfullysirius> Definatly CoS, she couldn't speak in front of him & Ron said she'd been talking about him all summer [20:38] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was a crush that was very long in maturing into love. [20:38] <cbm> I like that MrM [20:38] <Pleshette> They both went in their own directions, dating others and such, and then the realization hit in HBP [20:38] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed fawkes [20:38] <joyfullysirius> I do too MrM [20:39] <fawkes28> yes, Pleshette [20:39] <bleulaguna> True love did not occur to me until HBP, I agree. Before then it was pure unrequited love/crush. [20:39] <MrMcGonagall> That was the thing in HBP - their relationship happened because Harry finally started feeling something for ginny. [20:39] <MrMcGonagall> I think she always felt something for him, but wasn't waiting on him. [20:39] <joyfullysirius> About time too! [20:39] <Howie_64> Right...up until HBP, they were "brother and sister". [20:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't think it's true love... they are only 15 and 16. they definitely were there for each other and definitely liked each others company [20:39] <Aislinn> Some people feel that Ginny is portrayed as a sort of "fast" girl who dates a lot of guys. Do you agree with this? Why or why not? [20:40] <Expelliarmas> Actually, but for Hermione's words of wisdom, she might have continued waiting on Harry [20:40] <cbm> They were never brother and sister, that implies a closeness that was never there [20:40] <bleulaguna> Well, yes.. I just feel it is where true love can justly begin. [20:40] <joyfullysirius> No Ginny's not "Fast" [20:40] <TheBoyWhoLived> She is fast in the sense that she dates around but she is only involved in harmless dating .. nothing more [20:40] <fawkes28> no, she is not the fast girl at all - she just didn't want to sit around waiting for something that may or may not happen with harry - i call her the Smart Girl [20:40] <Pleshette> Absolutely not...she dated a couple of guys, that doesn't mean she's "fast" [20:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she's just being strong, showing her confidence and self-worth. she's no scarlet woman :-P [20:41] <bleulaguna> Ginny isn't fast, she has mostly innocent and brief relationships, nothing serious. [20:41] <Expelliarmas> she's only "fast" in the eyes of her brothers--quite the double standard [20:41] <Pleshette> that label really irks me when I hear it [20:41] <Aislinn> I don't see having a relationship with 3 guys as dating a lot of guys, so I disagree with this view [20:41] <joyfullysirius> Dating 3 guys in 2-3 years is NOT fast 2-3 in a week is!!! [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she's really all that fast. She was dating Dean Thomas for quite a while. It's not like she's dating anyone behind another's back. [20:41] <Pleshette> exactly Expie [20:41] <bleulaguna> It irks me too [20:41] <Tanaqui> mmm....i'd say you really can't be considered 'fast' until you're in your 20s at least...serial dating is pretty normal in junior high [20:41] <fawkes28> Ginny is completely normal [20:41] <CarpeDiem> It depends on how jealous or related the person watching the behavior is smile [20:41] <cbm> That came from people for other ships who try to put her down to prop their up own ships [20:41] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [20:41] <sdcurtis> she's not fast [20:41] <mollywobbles23> oh, goodness, no. [20:41] <Pleshette> She's well liked, but she doesn't flirt and jump from one boy to another [20:41] <BrettMac> sorry i disappeared for a bit, guys--something screwed up. [20:41] <brevilledragon> in england people don't tend to "date" though, or date multiple people at once, as much as in america [20:41] <Aislinn> very true,, carpe - that does skew the view of the person passing judgement tongue [20:41] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed MrM welcome back Brett [20:42] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed carpe [20:42] <BrettMac> whats the question?? [20:42] <Howie_64> 2-3 guys in a few years is actually very slow where I live, lol... [20:42] <brevilledragon> you "go out", meaning not - ACTUALLY go OUT, but just become boyfriend and girlfriend and are in a proper relationship. if you ask someone out, that's what you mean, not "would you like to go on a date with me?" [20:43] <TheBoyWhoLived> Thing is.. how much dating can they do at hogwarts pre hogsmead? [20:43] <BrettMac> could one of the mods repost the question for brett? biggrin [20:43] <bleulaguna> What did she see in the first few 'boyfriends'? [20:43] <Aislinn> actually, we'll move on, brett [20:43] <Howie_64> Fun company. [20:43] <Aislinn> Some people don't like Ginny because of the way that she interacted with Ron in HBP, particularly the fight they had in the hallway when Ron and Harry came upon her and Dean snogging. What did you think of this scene? [20:43] <bleulaguna> Mainly just casual? [20:43] <CarpeDiem> Good point brevilledragon. just because Ginny is hanging out with a boy, doesn't mean that they're dating. Ginny may very well feel more comfortable around the opposite gende. [20:43] <brevilledragon> precisely, they can't "date" in that sense, but people don't. they just become... in a relationship [20:43] <MrMcGonagall> Ron totally had it coming. [20:43] <BrettMac> i thought it was hilarious. the auntie muriel line was priceless [20:43] <brevilledragon> i don't think we do the dating dating thing much in the uk [20:43] <Howie_64> I thought it was typical sibling/sibling squabbling. [20:44] <cbm> Ron deserved everything he got, he wanted to run her life [20:44] <bleulaguna> Brett, I love that line! [20:44] <Expelliarmas> Ron got what he deserved; he'd been butting in her business at the start of the story; he's the reason people think she's "fast" [20:44] <Aislinn> I did too, howie [20:44] <joyfullysirius> Ron definatley had it comming! [20:44] <CarpeDiem> I think it's a wonderful example of a brother and sister caring about each other enough to fight about disagreements. smile [20:44] <sdcurtis> that was great [20:44] <TheBoyWhoLived> Ron was being a totaly prying git he had it coming biggrin [20:44] <MrMcGonagall> Ginny hit him square between the eyes with the truth, and it hurt. [20:44] <BrettMac> i laughed forever when i heard that...i had to take a break from reading [20:44] *** bleulaguna has quit [Bye] [20:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't think anyone hates her for it... it's not like it was out of nowhere or un-defendable [20:44] <Expelliarmas> Ron was also jealous [20:44] <animaguscow> normal sister /brother scene [20:44] <Howie_64> I do the same type of arguing with my brother all the time. And its a pretty good stress reliever, too smile [20:45] <Expelliarmas> he would have had a more live/let live attitude if he'd been dating anyone [20:45] <Aislinn> she did know how to go right for the jugular - a real sibling thing to do [20:45] <mollywobbles23> typical brother/sister stuff. [20:45] <brevilledragon> i still think she's a total massive mary sue, but i have to go to bed [20:45] <sdcurtis> Ron was being over protective, but he so deserved the chewing out Ginny gave him [20:45] <brevilledragon> gnight all [20:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: [20:45] <Expelliarmas> thanks for sharing breville, good night [20:45] <Howie_64> Ah, that message is kinda depressing... [20:45] <BrettMac> bye breville! [20:45] <joyfullysirius> Ron was being jealous & overprotective and had it comming [20:45] <cbm> good night [20:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe i agree breville, glad i'm not the only one [20:46] <TheBoyWhoLived> Is the chat over or are u guys throwing out more topics? [20:46] <fawkes28> Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1166481 [20:46] *** brevilledragon has quit [Bye] [20:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> still 15 minutes tbwl [20:46] <cbm> more topics coming [20:46] <fawkes28> 15 more minutes [20:46] <Expelliarmas> we have 15 more minutes, Boy [20:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> smile [20:46] <TheBoyWhoLived> YAY lol I havenb't gotten my potter fix yet [20:46] *** BrettMac has quit [Bye] [20:46] <Aislinn> Ginny is found to be a very good Quidditch player, both as a Seeker and also as a Chaser. Does this skill have any significance, symbolically? [20:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we still haven't seen any of her imperfections yet? [20:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> :-D [20:47] <mollywobbles23> probably [20:47] <Tanaqui> i think the other thing to consider is ginny is older now, and has more emotions to deal with...so her rounding on ron is because he was the brother who happened to be there [20:47] <MrMcGonagall> She says she prefers Chaser because it's very active. [20:47] <MrMcGonagall> She's not one to sit on the sidelines. [20:47] <Expelliarmas> we have seen her imperfections--she has a total temper and holds a grudge [20:47] <Howie_64> It makes her all the more interesting and attractive for Harry, but I don't know if it's symbolic... [20:47] <CarpeDiem> Good point Mr.M [20:47] <Aislinn> exactly expie [20:47] <cbm> I think it had to do with her being Harry's "equal" as JKR put it [20:47] <fawkes28> seeker - can be seen as harry's equal in a sense [20:47] <TheBoyWhoLived> MM a good chaser and seeker perhaps symbolic of her chasing and seeking of harry mm mm am i right? biggrin [20:48] <Howie_64> Lol, thats what I was thinking... [20:48] <Pleshette> I wonder if it means she'll help in seeking for what Harry's seeking for in DH [20:48] <Expelliarmas> she stopped chasing Harry, Boy. He had to come to her. [20:48] <CarpeDiem> Ooh! That's right cbm. And being his replacement for Quidditch certainly is a parallel, isn't it? [20:48] <TheBoyWhoLived> interesting idea plesh [20:48] <fawkes28> it just may, pleshette [20:48] <Tanaqui> in some ways, she's more of a chaser in life anyway--she's not afraid to go out and get what she needs/wants, as opposed to sitting and watching for it [20:48] <cbm> in the last 2 years, she has 3 snitch cathes and Harry had 2 [20:48] <Pleshette> good point tanaqui [20:48] <Aislinn> good point, tanaqui [20:48] *** sdcurtis has quit [Bye] [20:49] <Aislinn> Why do you think that Ginny dislikes Fleur so much at the outset of Half-Blood Prince? [20:49] <cbm> Fleur has an attitude that takes some getting used to [20:49] *** Joyhawk2121 has quit [Bye] [20:49] <Expelliarmas> I don't think women react well to Veela [20:50] <fawkes28> maybe she wanted to protect Bill from making a mistake with her [20:50] <Tanaqui> it's just like any woman who hates another beautiful woman--because she's gorgeous and has an attraction that 'normal' girls don't understand...plus that veela blood... [20:50] <TheBoyWhoLived> Jealousy perhaps? Though flour needs an attitude tune up [20:50] <MrMcGonagall> Fleur hasn't exactly done anything to ingratiate herself with the family, but I'd agree with you, too, Expie. [20:50] <Howie_64> (Ahem) I think she is jealous. She is used to his attention, but with Fleur around, Bill has to devote his attention to Fleur. [20:50] <Pleshette> I think she's protective of Bill [20:50] <joyfullysirius> Because she idolises Bill & she hasn't gotten to know Fleur so she thinks Fleur isn't good enough for Bill [20:50] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [20:50] <cbm> Is the attitude part of her being a veela? [20:50] <CarpeDiem> I think Fleur has taken away some of her rightful attention. Not only as a sister but also from Harry in a way as well. She sees the way the boys act around her and it just tears her up. [20:50] *** BrettMac has joined #lounge [20:50] <fawkes28> i really don't see her as being jealous of Fleur - it is not in Ginny's naturewe [20:50] <Aislinn> I think that she believes that Fleur is not good enough for her brother [20:50] <TheBoyWhoLived> welcome joyhawk [20:51] <cbm> but Harry acts pretty normal around fleur [20:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> her grudges and temper add to her "fiery" side though... they've never been held without good, understandable reasons and we always sympathize with her... we've seen ron and harry make fun of people who might not deserve it, and Hermione can get annoying... There is no annoying flaw in Ginny... nothing that she needs to redeem herself from. she is only mean to people who we want her to be mean to and compassionate to [20:51] <Expelliarmas> Fleur doesn't lend herself to being liked [20:51] <TheBoyWhoLived> Welcome back brett [20:51] <Howie_64> Right...Or that Bill is being shallow, with the whole beauty thing. [20:51] <Tanaqui> wait, how well does ginny know bill? [20:51] <Pleshette> no I don't think she's jealous of Fleur either [20:51] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, fawkes, it is not at all uncommon for women, even beautiful ones who have everything going for them, to feel threatened by another woman's beauty. [20:51] <Tanaqui> there's a pretty big age gap there... [20:51] <joyfullysirius> Harry does act normal around Fleur she's not liking Bill with her [20:51] <Howie_64> They seem pretty close. [20:51] <MrMcGonagall> I think Fleur is even a little threatened by Ginny. [20:51] <Expelliarmas> it's not that uncommon for men either, MrM [20:51] <fawkes28> she is not threaten, Mr. M - she is secure and confident [20:52] <cbm> I think that the scene in the hospital shows that there is some depth to fleur we have not seen yet [20:52] <MrMcGonagall> She and Hermione are always sniping at Fleur. [20:52] <Aislinn> yes, cbm, I agree [20:52] <Pleshette> absolutely [20:52] <BrettMac> sorry, my computer got all messed again... sad what's the question? [20:52] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Ginny can see where Fleur would fit into the Weasley family [20:52] <fawkes28> doesn't mean she is jealous though [20:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Fleur is a real character... her beauty is matched by the fact that she's annoying... but she redeems herself. she's more real than ginny is [20:52] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed cbm [20:52] <Aislinn> we're talking about why Ginny dislike Fleur [20:52] <Howie_64> Well, Fleur obviously loves Bill, so Ginny needs to get over it, IMO. [20:52] <BrettMac> ok [20:52] <BrettMac> thanks [20:53] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Howie. [20:53] <Pleshette> she sees her as someone superficial, someone without depth, until the end when she proves her love for Bill [20:53] <Aislinn> Harry spends a longer period of time at the Burrow in the sixth book than he has done previously, and has an opportunity to spend more day to day time with Ginny. Would he have developed the feelings he has for her, if he hadn't had this chance? [20:53] <Expelliarmas> yes, but we don't see that until the end of HBP, Howie [20:53] <BrettMac> i think he would have, eventually [20:53] <Pleshette> she does Howie by the end, don't you think? [20:53] <Tanaqui> i think that was the clincher [20:53] <cbm> I thkn that the 51 days at the burrow were extremely important [20:53] <joyfullysirius> Ginny sees Fleur as being shallow & only liking Bill because he's good looking [20:53] <Howie_64> Yes. Somewhat. [20:53] <cbm> think [20:53] <TheBoyWhoLived> I think he would have but possibly not until way later [20:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but ginny was so wrong... fleur isn't as shallow as we assumed she was [20:53] <MrMcGonagall> I think he would have. There would be all those Quidditch practices in HBP. [20:54] <BrettMac> true, MrM [20:54] <mollywobbles23> yes [20:54] <fawkes28> they would have definitely [20:54] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed MrM [20:54] <joyfullysirius> Yes Ginny was wrong about Fleur and the time at the Burrow was important for Harry & GInny [20:54] *** animaguscow left #lounge [] [20:54] <Pleshette> they were all wrong, not just Ginny [20:54] <cbm> It shows up when they get on the train and Harry is annoyed that ginny went to sit with Dean [20:54] <Howie_64> I think he would have, but only eventually. They would have spent time together eventually, especially after DD's, well, ya, I don't wanna spoil for anyone. [20:55] <BrettMac> yes cbm [20:55] <MrMcGonagall> Harry's realization of his feelings for Ginny happens rather suddenly. [20:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha howie... i don't htink anyone doesn't know [20:55] <Howie_64> Lol, just making sure. [20:55] <Aislinn> Even after Ginny and Harry begin to date, he still does not include her when he is sharing information about the Prophecy and Horcruxes. Why do you think he doesn't entrust her with this information? [20:55] <CarpeDiem> Yes, it tends to happen that way for boys, Mr. M smile [20:55] <TheBoyWhoLived> I was spoiled sad [20:56] <cbm> Because DD did not include her in who to tell [20:56] <Expelliarmas> DD told him to reveal only to Ron and Hermione [20:56] <Howie_64> DD hadn't approved of her, to him anyway. Whether he would have thought of this, I dunno. [20:56] <Tanaqui> they're still in the newness of dating, so he wants to protect her and keep their relationship happy [20:56] <CarpeDiem> I think in a sense he was still trying to protect her. Even at the end of HBP he's doing it. [20:56] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's more dangerous for someone like Ginny to know that information. [20:56] <Aislinn> I think that is the most likely cause, tanaqui [20:56] <fawkes28> he took DD's word seriously [20:56] <TheBoyWhoLived> DD said not to and I think at that time Harry had a deeper relation ship with Ron/Hermione than he did with GInny [20:56] <Tanaqui> might also be habit--he doesn't usually share deep, dark things with ginny... [20:56] <Aislinn> and yes, for protection [20:56] <mollywobbles23> DD [20:56] <mollywobbles23> protection [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> Harry doesn't want to make her a target. [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> That's clear [20:57] <joyfullysirius> Ginny is the happiest thing Harry has he doesn't want to spoil it [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ginny hasn't been with harry through as many trials as hermione and ron [20:57] <BrettMac> i dont think he wants to endanger her. we already know from countless mafia movies that if you know things, you die [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she hasn't proven herself worthy of being trusted [20:57] <Howie_64> Well, I don't know about that. [20:57] <cbm> what chocolate? [20:57] <Pleshette> I disagree with that [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> as much as them [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it was a continuous though [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> t [20:58] <Howie_64> Being at headquarters and fighting at the Ministry basically makes her a devout Order member [20:58] <TheBoyWhoLived> agreed howie she is in the club now [20:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm saying as much as hermione and ron [20:58] <Howie_64> I think its between Harry's word to DD and his need to protect Ginny, for me [20:58] <Aislinn> yes, howie - she has proven herself in a number of ways, even if she has not been with harry as long as Hermione and Ron have [20:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they've seen though the bad times with Harry... ginnny and harry haven't seen an inch of bickering or trouble in their relationship while harry has survived relationship troubles with both ron and hermione [20:59] <Aislinn> ok, the obligatory last question: Ginny: live or die? [20:59] <fawkes28> LIVE [20:59] <cbm> I think she could be trusted as I think she always put Harry first [20:59] <cbm> LIVE [20:59] <Howie_64> I see what you're saying, choco, but I think Harry would trust her. [20:59] <Tanaqui> live [20:59] <Howie_64> Live. [20:59] <Pleshette> She'll live smile [20:59] <joyfullysirius> LIVE! [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> Live, but I'm very worried. I can't decide if she was the unexpected one to get the ax or the reprieve. [20:59] <BrettMac> L [20:59] <BrettMac> I [20:59] <Joyhawk2121> live [20:59] <BrettMac> V [20:59] <BrettMac> E [20:59] <Howie_64> I don't see a point for her dieing. JKR kills (her characters) for a reason. [20:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she has to die... it's the mary sue way [21:00] <Aislinn> I hope not, Mr M! [21:00] <cbm> But at the same time JKR is not very sentimental, so I could see it going the other way [21:00] <TheBoyWhoLived> OO this is really hard for me. I want her to live but I can see Voldemort targeting her. [21:00] <Expelliarmas> (die) [21:00] <Aislinn> if she was a Mary Sue, but she's not tongue [21:00] <Pleshette> She's strong and powerful for a reason [21:00] <fawkes28> oh, Mr. M - what are we going to do with you? [21:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> she totally is! [21:00] <TheBoyWhoLived> lag [21:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [21:00] <Howie_64> Unless...revenge. But revenge leads to the dark side, and I daresay that Harry doesn't need anymore of a motive to kill LV. [21:00] <CarpeDiem> I think she'd take down LV herself before she'd die. LIVE smile [21:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha isn't that the force? [21:00] <cbm> this is not star wars smile [21:00] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Harry's going to die, so what's the point for Ginny going on with life? [21:00] <Howie_64> Ya...so...lol [21:01] <Aislinn> agreed, Carpe! [21:01] * MrMcGonagall hides from fawkes28 [21:01] <Pleshette> (I think she may be the one who takes care of Bella) [21:01] <BrettMac> don't say that, mr. m! sad [21:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha mrmcg... a romantic suicide [21:01] <fawkes28> MR. M!!!! [21:01] <Aislinn> boo, Mr M! [21:01] <Pleshette> Mr. M! [21:01] * fawkes28 whacks Mr. M with the 2 x 4 [21:01] <Tanaqui> i really don't see any of the weasleys dying...but i haven't thought about it too much... [21:01] <Howie_64> Lol. [21:01] <CarpeDiem> lol Mr.M You certainly paint an interesting picture. Is she really THAT dependant on Harry? [21:01] <Aislinn> thanks for coming to the chat tonight, everyone! [21:01] <Aislinn> Hope to see you soon [21:01] <joyfullysirius> Thanks fawkes! [21:01] <BrettMac> is it over already? [21:01] * cbm thinks fawkes should use a 4x4 [21:01] <Expelliarmas> now, it's over, Brett [21:01] <CarpeDiem> Thanks for the great chat all! [21:01] <Howie_64> Ginnys patronus is a phoenix...phoenixs dont die [21:01] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming to the chat smile [21:01] <Pleshette> Thank you awesome CB staff! [21:01] <fawkes28> lol cbm [21:02] <TheBoyWhoLived> Live I hope but JRK could kill her for the purposes of making him alone... OO on the cover art it said that Harry now truly feels alone maybe this means she got the axe sad [21:02] <BrettMac>  sad pandas. and i still wasnt called by pc...[21:02] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast is off to wait for 30 more minutes for a phone call [21:02] <Expelliarmas> fawkes can't lift a 4x4 [21:02] <Howie_64> bye everyone [21:02] <CarpeDiem> Wonderful questions CB Staff! [21:02] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, everyone! [21:02] <Tanaqui> mmmm...wish i could have been here more....great topic and chat! [21:02] *** Tanaqui left #lounge [] [21:02] <Joyhawk2121> Thank you [21:02] <Howie_64> Thanks Aislinn, its been fun! [21:02] <fawkes28> expie - grrrr [21:02] <Aislinn> bye all smile [21:02] <Joyhawk2121> Bye Everyone [21:02] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [21:02] <joyfullysirius> Bye [21:02] *** Howie_64 has quit [Bye] [21:02] <cbm> bye and thanks!! [21:02] *** Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] [21:02] * BrettMac wishes everyone good night, and hopes that lots more people (including himself) get called by melissa, john and sue, and have lots of happy pandas and dawlishes and get featured on pottercast [21:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> thanks guys... and thanks for not booting me just because i hate ginny's character :-P [21:02] <TheBoyWhoLived> BYE EVERYONE [21:03] <Aislinn> aren't we nice, chocolateisnotforbreakfast ? [21:03] <Expelliarmas> good night! [21:03] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [21:03] <Aislinn> laugh [21:03] <BrettMac> bye everybody... se y'all at the next chat, (hopefully) [21:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehehe [21:03] <cbm> choco, if we all agreed, it would be boring!!! 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