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fawkes28 View Member Profile	Apr 25 2007, 06:57 PM Post #1
Organizing the Halo Rebellion Posts: 3,301 Joined: 2:09pm April 16, 2006 Location: Being angelic, of course	Today's text chat moderators were: Aislinn, fawkes28, futureweasley [18:58] * fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:00] * futureweasley has joined #lounge [19:03] * mroberts731 has joined #lounge [19:03] <fawkes28> hello mroberts731 [19:03] * Nimthiriel has joined #lounge [19:03] <mroberts731> hello [19:03] <Aislinn> hi folks [19:04] <futureweasley> hello all! [19:04] <Nimthiriel> hey! [19:04] <futureweasley> how are you doing? [19:04] <fawkes28> hey Nimthiriel or HF wink [19:04] <Nimthiriel> Hello ;) [19:05] <futureweasley> I have missed you, Nimthiriel! [19:05] <Nimthiriel> I missed you all too! [19:05] <fawkes28> i missed you very much [19:06] * cbm has joined #lounge [19:06] <Aislinn> yes, it's been a while since we've seen you! [19:06] <fawkes28> hey cbm [19:06] <Aislinn> hey cbm [19:06] <Nimthiriel> And, Nim works just as well, if you dont want to spell it all out [19:06] <cbm> Hi!! [19:06] <fawkes28> oh - nice - that is much easier [19:06] <Nimthiriel> Heya cbm [19:06] <fawkes28> i will work on not saying hf [19:06] <Nimthiriel> heheh its ok [19:07] <cbm> hi everyone, I am having dinner and a chat! a great combination! [19:07] <fawkes28> you are in great company [19:07] <Nimthiriel> I should hopefully become a regular visiter again! School is almost out. smile [19:07] * mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [19:07] <Aislinn> hi mollywobbles23 [19:07] <mollywobbles23> hi everyone! [19:07] <Nimthiriel> hi mollywobbles [19:08] <mollywobbles23> I have been making OOTP icons because I can. I am done! I graduate on May 6th! [19:08] <fawkes28> nice - congrats [19:08] <Nimthiriel> Nice Nice [19:09] <Aislinn> that's great, molly [19:09] <mollywobbles23> thank you! it's so exciting! [19:09] <fawkes28> and then you get to teach soon! [19:09] <mollywobbles23> Yes! I need a job, though. Oy. [19:10] <mollywobbles23> I can sub for $60 a day until school lets out... [19:11] <fawkes28> i subbed - it is great experience [19:11] * moody has joined #lounge [19:11] <fawkes28> hey moody [19:11] <moody> hey all... [19:11] <Nimthiriel> hello moody [19:11] <mroberts731> hi [19:12] <moody> am i the first one here.. [19:12] <moody> oh no, im not!! smile [19:12] <mollywobbles23> A good friend of mine is doing it. I have a steady gig waiting for me at the last school I student-taught at. I just got to get myself in the county's system so I can get paid. Anyway, enough about me. The fandom has broken me. [19:12] <moody> eh..what we talkin bout?? [19:12] <mollywobbles23> nothing yet [19:12] <fawkes28> characteristics of the 4 houses [19:13] <Aislinn> which will start in a few minutes [19:13] <cbm> broken you? [19:13] <mroberts731> oh, fun! [19:13] * JoshBird has joined #lounge [19:13] <moody> oh..its past 12 here...at night!! by the way! [19:13] * ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:13] <Aislinn> hi JoshBird [19:13] <Nimthiriel> sounds like an interesting discussion [19:13] <Aislinn> hi Prongs [19:13] <moody> why soooo late with these chats i ask you! [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> woot! [19:13] <mollywobbles23> I was away from my computer for both of the trailer's releases. I was going insane because I didn't want to hog my best friend's comp too much. [19:13] <JoshBird> Hiya [19:13] <cbm> Moody, r u in the UK? [19:13] <Nimthiriel> hey Prongs [19:13] <mroberts731> It's 6:15 in the evening here [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [19:13] <fawkes28> hey josh and prongs [19:13] <mollywobbles23> Now, it's all I want to do. [19:14] <JoshBird> Hiya [19:14] <mollywobbles23> therefore, I am broken. [19:14] <moody> no,cbm, ireland [19:14] <mollywobbles23> It's just crazy molly-logic. [19:14] <cbm> Sorry, sad [19:14] <fawkes28> yay, Irish! [19:14] <JoshBird> Did we just start? [19:14] <moody> see..im a deticated leaky fan..aswell as hp fan! [19:14] <fawkes28> not yet [19:14] <moody> yea fawkes28, u too? [19:14] <cbm> It is 7:00PM here [19:15] <mollywobbles23> It's okay. I'm happy for the stuff to do. Had a crazy week so far and the end of it will be crazy too. This is a nice rest. [19:15] <fawkes28> i don't live there but I am very Irish [19:15] <mroberts731> It's good because I can do some quick research on the topic [19:15] <Aislinn> we're going to start the formal chat in just a couple of minutes joshbird [19:15] <mollywobbles23> really? [19:15] <moody> not back, 7:00 pm.... [19:15] <JoshBird> Okeydokes. [19:15] <JoshBird> test [19:15] <mollywobbles23> oh, darn. it's dinnertime. I'll be back asap. [19:15] <moody> no bad, i ment to write!! sorry [19:15] <ProngsPatronus> this ought to be a fabu chat [19:15] * mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [19:15] <JoshBird> Agreed. [19:15] <cbm> Moody, tomorrow that chat starts at 9 your time [19:16] <moody> ah..cool tanx cbm.. [19:16] <mroberts731> Hey, how do you get cool colored text [19:16] <JoshBird> Click the << in the bottom right of screen [19:16] * cbm has quit [Bye] [19:16] <moody> the arrow at the bottom mroberts731 [19:16] * cbm has joined #lounge [19:16] <JoshBird> You'll see the colors there smile [19:17] <moody> hey-hey!! [19:17] <futureweasley> ok, we are just about ready to begin! [19:17] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [19:17] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [19:17] <futureweasley> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:18] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:18] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:18] <Aislinn> Welcome to our chat on the Characteristics of the Four Houses. In Sorcerer’s Stone, the Sorting Hat does a brilliant job of describing the qualities that students from each of the Four Houses exemplify. Here is the part of the Sorting Hat’s song, which describes the characteristics: [19:18] <Aislinn> You might belong in Gryffindor,Where dwell the brave at heart, Their daring, nerve, and chivalry Set Gryffindors apart; [19:18] <Aislinn> You might belong in Hufflepuff, Where they are just and loyal, Those patient Hufflepuffs are true, And unafraid of toil; [19:18] <Aislinn> Or yet in wise old Ravenclaw, If you've a ready mind, Where those of wit and learning, Will always find their kind; [19:18] <Aislinn> Or perhaps in Slytherin You'll make your real friends, Those cunning folk use any means To achieve their ends. [19:19] <Aislinn> All caught up? Let’s put on our thinking caps and dive right into our questions! [19:19] <Aislinn> Why does the Sorting Hat choose to place students where it does? Does it pick the ones that have the most of a given characteristic(i.e. the bravest to Gryffindor) or is there another reason it may place a student? [19:19] <moody> i think aswell as having certain abilities, in the end the student chooses his or her house too... [19:19] <Nimthiriel> I think that it is a little bit of the characteristics as well as some other factors [19:19] * Raldan has joined #lounge [19:19] <fawkes28> i think the student needs to primarily have the certain characteristics of that house but if divided then choice plays a role [19:19] <cbm> I think it is the dominate characteristic that is most important [19:19] <JoshBird> Perhaps the Student has already thought about what house they should be in, they might be thinking, I'm smart, I'm brave, something like that. we know they get to tell the Hat. [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> well, I see the Sorting Hat as the wizard equivalent of a computer program [19:19] <Aislinn> hi raldan [19:20] <Raldan> hi everyone [19:20] <Raldan> hi Aislinn [19:20] <Aislinn> I think that it sees the characteristics of the student, but i think it also looks at what each student values [19:20] <moody> abilities aswell as choice count when the hat is sorting them... [19:20] <fawkes28> you cannot just ask to be in a house because you feel like it - you need to have the qualities of that house [19:20] <Nimthiriel> I'm sure it goes much deeper than that as well [19:21] <JoshBird> Well, we know that Harry influenced the Hat somewhat [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> I think it also has something to do with the approach to life and learning the student has [19:21] <moody> but its our choice that tell us who we really are..so u must have a choice in what house u want to be in.. [19:21] * futureweasley left #lounge [] [19:21] <mroberts731> I think the student influences the hat's choice when the student could easily fit into more that one house [19:21] <JoshBird> At eleven, you don't really have much of an approach to life... you still have a lot of maturing to do [19:21] <fawkes28> oh in certain cirumstances do i think choice comes into play [19:22] * MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [19:22] <Aislinn> Let’s start with Gryffindor. The word chivalry may have been an important trait at the time of the founding of Hogwarts. At the time Harry is at Hogwarts, we rarely hear the term used. How does chivalry come into play in the present-day Hogwarts? [19:22] <Nimthiriel> Yeah I agee Fawkes...Choices are very important in life anyways, they have to count for soe [19:22] <fawkes28> hi mafalda [19:22] <moody> maybe its a mixture of everything, abilities,choice etc.. [19:22] <MafaldaWeasley> hi guys!!!! [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> I think that certain trends are set at an early age [19:22] <Nimthiriel> hi mafalda [19:22] <Raldan> hi [19:22] <moody> hi [19:22] <fawkes28> I think Harry displays chivalry quite well [19:23] <mroberts731> loyalty and chivalry sometimes go hand in hand [19:23] <JoshBird> Definition of chivalry? Just for the.. uhh.. less knowledgeable of us smile [19:23] <cbm> Would Harry saving Ginny count as a chivilrous act? [19:23] <MafaldaWeasley> Ron is very representative of it [19:23] <mroberts731> when Ron defends Hermione and Harry for example [19:23] * DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:23] <moody> yea, but snape deplays bravery and hes in slythern..how do u explain that? [19:23] <Aislinn> hi debbie [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> hiya [19:23] <Nimthiriel> Hey Debbie [19:23] <ProngsPatronus> a chivalrous person protects the weak, succors those in ditress--in essence, the qualities of a knight [19:23] <Raldan> hi [19:23] <fawkes28> yes, i think it would cbm [19:23] <fawkes28> hi debbie [19:23] <moody> in essance snape.. [19:24] <fawkes28> nicely put, prongs [19:24] <Raldan> Selfless actions [19:24] * Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [19:24] <JoshBird> Well, in the movie, we all know Snape protected the Trio from Lupin... was that in the book? :p [19:24] <cbm> The qualities idealized by knighthood, such as bravery, courtesy, honor, and gallantry toward women [19:24] <DumbleDebbie> hi joy [19:24] <mroberts731> chivalry to me can be the manifestation of loyal feelings towards someone [19:24] <Nimthiriel> Definitely think we see chivalry in the gryffindor students at sometime [19:24] <moody> yep josh [19:24] <Joyhawk2121> hello Everyone [19:24] <Raldan> hi [19:24] <JoshBird> It was in the book? I thought it wasn't.. [19:24] <fawkes28> i think Ron was very chivalrous when he sacrificed himself for Harry to go on [19:24] <MafaldaWeasley> Hello everybody smile I think that Ron represents it in a very broad level, not only sticking by Harry but also being very protective of his family. he didn't think twice to go with Harry to save his sister, and he never gave up on harry even if it meant to face his own biggest fear, spiders [19:24] <cbm> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/chivalry [19:25] <mroberts731> Ron burping up slugs was hugely Chivalrous [19:25] <JoshBird> Or gross smile [19:25] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, Nimthiriel [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> and he was playing the part of a knight at the time, how convenient wink [19:25] <mroberts731> Ha, and Groos [19:25] <MafaldaWeasley> I also see a bit of it on Neville [19:25] <mroberts731> gross lol [19:25] <ProngsPatronus> ron taking hermione's part because of the slurs of Draco was the chivalrous part [19:25] <moody> haha..burpin slug is gross..not chiverlry [19:26] <mroberts731> you get what I mean [19:26] <cbm> I think Harry fits 3 out of 4 parts of the definition, His courtesy needs work [19:26] <JoshBird> Agreed cbm [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> I meant the knight in the chess match, nothing to do with slugs lol [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, on the main, harry is courteous [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> however, he has trouble suffering fools gladly [19:26] <Aislinn> agreed [19:26] <fawkes28> yes, i think Harry is the most chivalrous character [19:26] <moody> yea, i thought it was very courtesly of him when cho was cryin, and he didnt really wanna talk to her bout it [19:27] <mroberts731> Harry could work on the courtesy. So could Ron [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think DD ranks high on the list1 [19:27] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [19:27] <Nimthiriel> Yes I agree, he shows the most of all, but not all the time [19:27] <JoshBird> I think he was sick of Cho though moody [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> hi chocolate [19:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi debbie! [19:27] <mroberts731> Who wasn't Joshbird? [19:27] <moody> yea, suppose josh.. [19:27] <fawkes28> hi chocolate [19:27] <JoshBird> Harry doesn't have a lot of experience with girls, that might've been part of that as well [19:27] <Raldan> hi [19:27] <Aislinn> Godric Gryffindor valued bravery, daring, nerve, and chivalry above all qualities. Which Gryffindor student, past or present, best embodies his vision of an ideal student? [19:27] <JoshBird> Albus Dumbledore - RIP [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Lily Potter [19:28] <mroberts731> Ron. No question. [19:28] <Raldan> Remus [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> Dumbledore and Harry come to mind immediately [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> gotta be my man DD [19:28] <fawkes28> I would have to say Lily - she is beyond brave and daring [19:28] <moody> Ron... [19:28] <cbm> I would say Harry [19:28] <Nimthiriel> Harry I'd say [19:28] <fawkes28> not many people would have made the choice that Lily did [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> I agree--and she is in my top five! [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree completely, fawkes [19:28] <Joyhawk2121> Lilly I'd say [19:28] <mroberts731> Actually all the Weasleys do [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> I think a lot of mother's would make that choice [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> mothers [19:29] <JoshBird> I disagree fawkes. Any parent would give their life for their child [19:29] <cbm> all except Percy [19:29] <JoshBird> most [19:29] <Nimthiriel> Fred and george fit in the nerve and daring part of it most definitely smile [19:29] <mroberts731> Yes, most would. I would. [19:29] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm between Ron, Hagrid, and Lupin [19:29] <JoshBird> Do we know Hagrid was a Gryff? [19:29] <fawkes28> Merope didn't [19:29] <cbm> Also Sirius would go on my list [19:29] <mroberts731> To me even though Lily sacrifice was a choice, to most mother's there still wouldn't really be a choice, but I digress. [19:29] <moody> yea, the twins and bill..all the male weasleys, there so good to ginny...and ron is good to hermione, although we all know why!! [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> Merope was mentally ill [19:30] <fawkes28> not all parents would which is why she stands out [19:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well, Lily was giving her life, not to save her son, but basically saying "if you're going to kill him, you have to kill me first" she didn't know she was giving her life to save Harry [19:30] <Raldan> Whats missing for me is a code of conduct, like when Neville stood uo to his friends. [19:30] <JoshBird> I disagree chocolate. [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> and never really accepted her role as a parent [19:30] <JoshBird> The Potters knew he was coming [19:30] <mroberts731> that's true chocolate [19:30] <fawkes28> i think Lily really embodies a true Gryffindor [19:30] <JoshBird> as she says in the book, "oh no, not Harry". [19:30] <JoshBird> Therefore saying she knew about the Prophecy, ect. [19:31] <Nimthiriel> Yes Lily definitely does as well [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we don't know the circumstances, though... he could have been pointing at Harry and she gathered his intent [19:31] <JoshBird> She still said, "Oh no, not Harry" smile [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> Hagrid is courteous [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's still conjecture as to whether or not they knew the prophecy [19:31] <JoshBird> Lily knows she couldn't out-duel LV [19:31] <moody> have to go guys, awh and i was enjoyin this chat! not really aloud in the internet coz we didnt get broadband yet..snuck on, there in bed! anyways better go now, bye all smile [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> a mother's foremost concern would be for her child before herself in most cases IMO [19:31] <fawkes28> i think Hagrid does represent the Gryffindor house quite well [19:32] <fawkes28> he certainly embodies the spirit of GG [19:32] <mroberts731> Maybe Lily did know she could save Harry [19:32] <Raldan> bye mody [19:32] <Raldan> moody [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> bye moody [19:32] <Nimthiriel> bye moody [19:32] <JoshBird> Tata Moody [19:32] <moody> bye!! awh.. [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> Lily didn't know she would save Harry. Jo said so [19:32] <moody> :( [19:32] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Hagrid is very brave ,loyal, and he is caring on his own way. I mean he is half giant and that may have influenced him on his politeness, but for all the rest he is perfect [19:32] <JoshBird> Yet she tried, therefore sacrificing herself [19:32] * moody left #lounge [] [19:32] <fawkes28> but Lily didnt have to die - she was going to be spared - she was brave and daring [19:32] <mroberts731> Well DD, I still would have done it [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Do you think there was something special about lily's sacrifice that would separate her from other mothers, Debbie? Not very many women die for their child, but do all of them impart the protection, or was lily's choice different? [19:33] <mroberts731> Lily maybe just hoped [19:33] <JoshBird> Not many of them get threatened with the AK chocolate [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> right mroberts, I think what Lily did would be the instinct of most parents [19:33] <Aislinn> All of the houses have a stereotypical mold that define a particular type of student. Which students from Gryffindor break this mold? [19:33] <cbm> I think she was trying to buy time so that a miricle could happen, she wanted harry to live as long as possible [19:33] <cbm> miracle [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> Percy and neville [19:33] <cbm> Percy and Peter [19:33] <JoshBird> Big disagree on Neville [19:33] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I dunno about Neville, but percy yes [19:33] <mroberts731> If you had any inkling you could save your child you would do it [19:33] <MafaldaWeasley> Padma Patil and Peter [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> and peter [19:34] <cbm> yes [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Pettigrew (puke) [19:34] <MafaldaWeasley> is it Padma or the other [19:34] <MafaldaWeasley> I never know [19:34] <JoshBird> Well, we don't know! PP can redeem himself in DH with some bravery! [19:34] <mroberts731> Parvati [19:34] <Nimthiriel> Peter definitely [19:34] <JoshBird> We don't know why he was in Gryff yet [19:34] <Aislinn> Pavarti - why do you feel she breaks the mold? [19:34] <MafaldaWeasley> txs MRoberts [19:34] <fawkes28> see, i do not think Neville breaks the mold [19:34] <JoshBird> Neville is 100% Gryffindor [19:34] <Raldan> PP hasa long way to go to redeem himself [19:34] <fawkes28> he has the same traits Harry does - he just shows them in a different way [19:34] <MafaldaWeasley> I feel he is so superficial hehe [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the twins dont seem like they;re on the brave or chivalrous side... they turned out to be pretty ambitious [19:34] <mroberts731> Yup;) [19:34] <Nimthiriel> Lavender too i think [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> Neville is Gryffindor to the core [19:35] <JoshBird> True dat Debbie smile [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> he's the bravest character in the book [19:35] <JoshBird> Oh, disagree on that though [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> well, I put Neville because he is a different kind of gryffindor [19:35] <fawkes28> Pettigrew - i do not see him as a Gryffindor [19:35] <cbm> lavender and pavarti did show up in the DA, that took bravery [19:35] <mroberts731> I think Neville is brave, but bravest? [19:35] <Raldan> The problem id that Gryffindors aren't perfect, so that leaves a lot of room... [19:35] <JoshBird> There are different ways to be brave Prongs [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Peter's an anomaly [19:35] <fawkes28> that is true, cbm [19:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but there were other houses in the DA, so it's not hands down gryffindorness [19:35] <mroberts731> Maybe Peter will still have a brave act [19:35] <fawkes28> those girls do not seem to fit the mold though [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> the question was not who turned out to be evil, but who broke the mold [19:36] <cbm> Peter was brave when he faced Sirius, it was just in the service of evil [19:36] <JoshBird> Well, Crabbe and Goyle don't seem to be too sly and cunning, but they're Slytherins. [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's why i think the twins did... they turned out to be as ambitious as percy [19:36] <MafaldaWeasley> i think Neville is very very brave, but he was so annoyed by his G-ma all the time that he hold himself back many times. Qe see now a very different Neville and I believe he is very brave [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but the twins didn't make the same choices that percy did [19:36] <Aislinn> when did he face sirius, aside from when he framed him, cbm? [19:36] <JoshBird> I think the Patils just didn't fit in any other house PERFECTLY, yet they had more Gryffindor qualities. [19:36] <mroberts731> Maybe some students are so...lacking the sorting hat puts them where it hopes they might learn something from their peers [19:36] <cbm> When he framed him, that is what I am talking about [19:36] <Aislinn> only one of the Patils is in Gryffindor though josh [19:37] <JoshBird> Oops, my brain's on the fritz [19:37] <mroberts731> Crabbe and Goyle are certainly learing from their peers. [19:37] <Aislinn> I don't see that as bravery, cbm, I think he was cornered [19:37] <fawkes28> maybe it placed the girls in the house hoping that it would foster some of their characteristics from Gryffindor [19:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree with aislinn... he framed Sirius out of fear of being hunted down, seems to me, not bravery [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Peter will yet show his lion heart, but... he hasn't so far [19:37] <fawkes28> i never have considered Peter to be brave [19:38] <fawkes28> he is anything but [19:38] <Aislinn> right, no sign of it yet [19:38] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he is a RAT for some reason [19:38] <mroberts731> For the time being, fear is Peter's main motivation [19:38] <MafaldaWeasley> just sayin' [19:38] <Aislinn> Although bravery is one of the strongest virtues of the Gryffindor house, how have we seen bravery exhibited in the series with non-Gryffindor students?** [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> lol mafalda, well spotted wink [19:38] <fawkes28> fear and greed [19:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> some would say Snape [19:38] <JoshBird> Cedric [19:38] <fawkes28> oh, yes - Josh - definitely with Cedric [19:38] <MafaldaWeasley> Luna [19:38] <Aislinn> yes, josh - cedric is a good choice [19:38] <mroberts731> Snape. I think not. [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> Luna went to the MoM [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> Yes, I think Luna is brave [19:39] <JoshBird> Cedric stood brave until the end. [19:39] <mroberts731> Ernie McMillin [19:39] <JoshBird> In fact, I'm not sure why he wasn't a Gryffindor. [19:39] <fawkes28> Slughorn was brave to tell Harry about his past with Tom [19:39] <mroberts731> for joing the DA at all [19:39] <DumbleDebbie> Snape is brazen, brave? we'll see I guess [19:39] <MafaldaWeasley> D5raco also had some sort of bravery, althought for the wrong side, but he did [19:39] <Aislinn> Draco is a snivelling coward [19:39] <JoshBird> Slughorn wasn't brave, he was influenced. [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> I think of him as being cunning--but not brave [19:39] <Aislinn> Has been from the first book on. [19:39] <DumbleDebbie> but Draco was acting out of fear [19:39] <JoshBird> By memories of Lily [19:40] <cbm> I think that most of the DA is brave [19:40] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think so, Aislinn. [19:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think Snape's brave... to return to his act as double agent... and I think he didn't want to kill Dumbledore, and that took immense bravery, to do something that would cause him to be a forever-outlaw, the man who killed Dumbledore [19:40] <MafaldaWeasley> Maybe he was, but I still see some bravery on him [19:40] <fawkes28> Draco always needed his friends to make him feel brave - he never acted that way on his own [19:40] <mroberts731> Yes Draco, Slughorn, Snape - cunning. Typical Slytherins [19:40] <Nimthiriel> Yes i agree cbm, they had to be slightly brave to even join it in the first place [19:40] <Aislinn> He is the classic bully - doesn't do anything without his henchmen by his side [19:40] <JoshBird> Brave? or unhappy with Umbridge [19:40] <MafaldaWeasley> Ow, i have another perspective of Draco ;) [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> mrs. Figg was immensely brave, coming in to testify for Harry [19:40] <cbm> Draco and Snape are classic bullys [19:40] <mroberts731> Barve josh because Umbridge was scary [19:40] <Aislinn> that did take guts, Prongs [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> woot for Mrs. Figg! [19:40] <mroberts731> brave [19:41] <MafaldaWeasley> yes PP [19:41] <Aislinn> standing up to the Ministry, when they treat squibs like second class citizens [19:41] <fawkes28> oh, nice example Prongs [19:41] <Nimthiriel> Good point Prongs [19:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yup prongs! [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> McGonagall is very brave as well, and stubborn,love it [19:41] <JoshBird> Umbridge was scary, but many people would be rebellious enough, and honestly quite stupid, to try to rebel. In the DA's case, it was for a good cause, but I think some of the DA were just there to be around Harry, and to be "cool and rebel" against Umbridge. [19:41] <mroberts731> Hermione will earn big bravery point if she doesn't really go back to Hogwarts in DH [19:41] <JoshBird> That is if Hogwarts is open mroberts [19:41] <fawkes28> testing [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi fawkes [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> I see you [19:41] <Nimthiriel> i see ya Fawkes [19:41] <mroberts731> Yes, right...IF [19:41] <cbm> Hermione is very brave in my opinion to follow Harry where she has so far in the series [19:41] <Aislinn> What other traits have you seen in Gryffindor students that are not mentioned in the Sorting Hat’s Song?* [19:42] <mroberts731> I agree cbm [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> at times, a disregard for the rules LOL [19:42] <mroberts731> stupidity [19:42] <ProngsPatronus> they learn from doing [19:42] <mroberts731> ahem Lavender [19:43] ** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:43] <cbm> They are a very diverse bunch! [19:43] <JoshBird> Gryffindors are often very true. They don't tend to lie unless necessary, they fess up to their mistakes. [19:44] <cbm> hi fawkes [19:44] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Gryffidors are very proud [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> I agree [19:44] <mroberts731> Competitive [19:44] <Aislinn> yes, prongs, I agree that action is their learning mode [19:44] * DumbleDebbie thinks fawkes hasn't been feeding Snuffles enough lately [19:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i dunno josh... hermione lied to the professors when harry and ron came to save her from the troll... that lie seemed unnecessary to me lol [19:44] * ProngsPatronus thinks Snuffles is overweight by now... [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> lol [19:44] <fawkes28> much better smile [19:44] <JoshBird> But that wasn't HER mistake. [19:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but they didn't make a mistake [19:45] <JoshBird> She was lying to get Harry and Ron out of trouble for saving her [19:45] <mroberts731> And to make friends [19:45] <JoshBird> They went against teachers orders [19:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> they went to save her, didn't they? [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> I think that gryffindors are forgiving, for the most part [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> several of them are highly competative [19:45] <mroberts731> She is a smart one, that Hermione [19:45] <cbm> It was almost a hufflepuff type lie [19:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe mroberts [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> Harry, Hermione, McGonagall to name a few [19:45] <JoshBird> I said, they only lie when necessary. [19:45] <Aislinn> it was, cbm [19:45] <mroberts731> I'm sorry was I quoting someone? [19:46] <JoshBird> She owed them after all [19:46] <mroberts731> owed them? [19:46] <mroberts731> It was Ron [19:46] <Aislinn> Let’s examine Harry’s character for a moment. Out of the three remaining houses: Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and Slytherin, which one would have best suited his needs and abilities? [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> Gryffindors are gregarious, too [19:46] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that the forgiven ones are Hufflepuffs [19:46] <mroberts731> It was his fault in the first place [19:46] <JoshBird> For saving her, she owed them. [19:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, seriously... hermione saved their necks even after ron totally dissed her [19:46] <Aislinn> not all of them, prongs - neville is pretty introverted [19:46] <Nimthiriel> Slytherin...... [19:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Slytherin [19:46] <MafaldaWeasley> Hufflepuff. [19:47] <mroberts731> Yeah Slytherin [19:47] <Raldan> ot Slytherin.. NOT Slytherin [19:47] <cbm> I would say Hufflepuff because of how much he cares for other people [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> Slytherin unfortunately [19:47] <JoshBird> Slytherin <3 [19:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I don't like slytherin's rep [19:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [19:47] <fawkes28> I want to say Hufflepuff because he is very loyal to his friends [19:47] <Joyhawk2121> Hufflepuff [19:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> can't we meet any decent slytherins [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> he is very driven [19:47] <Aislinn> I can't answer this, as I think he is a pure, unadulterated Gryffindor [19:47] <JoshBird> Harry is willing to do whatever it takes to do the right thing. [19:47] <Nimthiriel> Slytherin...yep is a slytherin [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> lol Aislinn [19:47] <MafaldaWeasley> Slytherin has to do with the bond he has... I think Harry is a lot loayl he likes to share and this is not an usual behavour of a Slytherin [19:47] <Aislinn> I don't see him as a Slytherin [19:47] <mroberts731> I think Slughorn is a decent Slytherin [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> yes he is [19:47] <Raldan> Its al there, in his head LV) [19:47] <Aislinn> He is much too selfless to ever be a Slytherin [19:47] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he's a cunning kid [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> no, but the Sorting Hat did (as a possibiilty) [19:48] <JoshBird> I think Harry needs his own house, with all the qualities.. we'll call it Gruffavin [19:48] <Nimthiriel> He has slytherin likenesses [19:48] <Joyhawk2121> I agree Aislinn [19:48] <cbm> And Harry is nothing like any of the slytherins we have seen so far [19:48] <Aislinn> the Sorting Hat chose the correct house for him [19:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i thought he chose the house? [19:48] <fawkes28> the only quality i see him having in there is ambition, which isnt enough [19:48] <Aislinn> right, cbm, nothing like [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> yep, it did [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is that bit of LV in him that may have those Slytherin qualities [19:48] <fawkes28> he is patient, loyal, and a hard worker - hufflepuff would suit him much better [19:48] <Raldan> yes PP [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> could be Prongs [19:48] <mroberts731> Nobody would want to see Harry as a Slytherin but...I think it would be the logical second choice [19:48] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs, it may have been LV's imprint that the hat was responding to [19:48] <JoshBird> We don't know he's a horcrux yet! [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> I think Harry himself is all gryffindor This post has been edited by fawkes28: Apr 25 2007, 09:21 PM

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Organizing the Halo Rebellion Posts: 3,301 Joined: 2:09pm April 16, 2006 Location: Being angelic, of course	[19:49] <cbm> Harry said "Not Slytherin" and then the hat said he would do well there [19:49] <JoshBird> We can't assume he has any of LV [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> like Trelawney miss guessing Harry's b-day [19:49] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but if hagrid says that hufflepuffs are dunderheads, you know it has to be true... lol [19:49] <Aislinn> I'd see him in either of the other houses before i'd see him in slytherin [19:49] <fawkes28> i think the hat only said that because it sensed voldemort through him [19:49] <Raldan> Its a thin line, between love and hate [19:49] <fawkes28> i dont think slytherin would have been the next best place for him [19:49] <mroberts731> Please no Harry is a Horcrux talk [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> Harry can have been given characteristics from Voldy without being a horcrux, 2 different things there [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> I don't, either [19:49] <mroberts731> It makes my stomach turn [19:49] <JoshBird> Agreed roberts [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> it would hvae been another hades for harry if he had been in Slytherin [19:50] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs [19:50] <mroberts731> probably [19:50] <JoshBird> Well, he would have HAD to get along with Draco and all the others then [19:50] <Raldan> Would have saved LV a lot of time [19:50] <MafaldaWeasley> He just doesn't fit [19:50] <cbm> I think it would have been worse than the Dursleys [19:50] <Aislinn> his values are quite antithetical to theirs [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> I do think, though, he would have done well in Ravenclaw [19:50] <JoshBird> Harry is smart, but not so much that he actually cares about school [19:50] <mroberts731> Not without Hermione [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> he doesn't study hard enough for Ravenclaw [19:51] <JoshBird> He's there because he enjoys magic, not to studt [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> I think that a lot of his sluffing off of classes has to do with Ron [19:51] <JoshBird> study [19:51] <Nimthiriel> Ahhh shoot well its dinner time for me. I gotta run. Cya guys [19:51] <fawkes28> academia is not really his strength [19:51] <MafaldaWeasley> ravenclaw? I doubt it, ravenclaws seem to be extremely sensitive, and Harry is not [19:51] <fawkes28> bye nim [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> I think he'd be a Huff before Raven [19:51] <Aislinn> Some people have questioned Neville’s placement in Gryffindor. How has Neville proved or not proved that he is worthy of being in this House?* [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> by HF [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think if we ever saw a decent slytherin character, we'd have a better idea of how comeone can be ambitious and cunning without being completely selfish and mean [19:51] <Aislinn> bye nim [19:51] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree DD [19:51] <Nimthiriel> byes! [19:51] *** Nimthiriel has quit [Bye] [19:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he's totally gryffindor [19:51] <Aislinn> Slughorn is a decent one [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> I think Neville is a fine Gryffindor [19:51] <fawkes28> he proved himself a great deal in book 1 alone [19:51] <cbm> Going to to the DoM was all I needed to prove he belonged there [19:51] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes [19:51] <Raldan> When push comes to shove, Nevilles right there! [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> Neville has been scared out of his wits and stood through it [19:52] <Aislinn> As Dd said, it is very brave to stand up to your friends [19:52] <MafaldaWeasley> Neville? I think he is brave, smart, gentle... he was just a lot held back by his G-Ma demand on him to be like his father [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> and he absolutely blossoms in OotP [19:52] <JoshBird> He told Harry to continue going after the DE's at the end of HBP. Another Neville [19:52] <MafaldaWeasley> yes DD [19:52] <fawkes28> he does it in a quieter way though but still as important [19:52] <mroberts731> brb [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> Neville has endured the tragedy of his parents all his life [19:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> anyone who has grown up with his parents in that state, and can face their attackers, and can endure the pain they endured... that's bravery [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> in my book, that's bravery [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> yes Prongs, he's had it tough [19:52] <Aislinn> it is [19:53] <Raldan> I think all Gryffindors have a little Neville in them. [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> and I think he saw them tortured [19:53] <fawkes28> i was rereading PS today and saw how Neville got into a fight with Draco and company after Malfoy was bashing him and Ron - that takes a lot of bravery and i had forgotten he had done that [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, he rocked [19:53] <Aislinn> bravery is not an absence of fear, but an ability to face it, and Neville has that quality in great abundance [19:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> oh yeah fawkes "I'm worth ten of you, malfoy!" [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> one time he took on Crabbe and Goyle single-handedly [19:53] <cbm> true, I had forgotten about that also! [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> 12 of you wink [19:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, close enough :-D [19:54] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast drops in 2 more nevilles [19:54] <mroberts731> Gotta go all. Have fun! [19:54] * memyslfnI has joined #lounge [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> bye [19:54] <MafaldaWeasley> bye [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> hi me [19:54] <Aislinn> hi memyslfnI [19:54] <Raldan> bye [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> hey, M [19:54] <mroberts731> bye [19:54] <memyslfnI> howdy all!!! [19:54] <Raldan> hi [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey me [19:54] <Aislinn> Patient, just, loyal, and hard-worker are some of the characteristics, which define students from the Hufflepuff House. Which non-Hufflepuff student possesses some of these traits and would do well there? [19:54] <fawkes28> Neville was there a lot in the first book and i never doubted his belonging in Gryffindor [19:54] <MafaldaWeasley> hey me [19:54] <memyslfnI> how much did i miss? [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Aislinn he dose [19:54] <JoshBird> Hermy [19:54] <cbm> Harry! [19:54] <memyslfnI> neville, of course [19:54] * mroberts731 has quit [Bye] [19:54] <Aislinn> we just finished talking about gryffindor, and have moved on to Hufflepuff [19:54] <MafaldaWeasley> Harry [19:54] <Raldan> Yeah, Hermy [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> just wrappinng up memyslfnI (just kidding) [19:54] <fawkes28> I think Ron - he is extremely loyal to Harry [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> well, if Neville had not been put in Gryffindor, I think he would have shone in Hufflepuff [19:55] <memyslfnI> yes PP! [19:55] <MafaldaWeasley> Ron is not pacient and he is not a hard-worker [19:55] <fawkes28> i also think Hagrid - who is very patient and just as well as incredibly loyal to DD [19:55] <MafaldaWeasley> haha [19:55] <Aislinn> yes, I think he demonstrates Hufflepuff characteristiccs [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> yeah Neville [19:55] <Aislinn> Nevilee [19:55] <fawkes28> yes, Neville would have done fine there [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> he also has a thing for herbology [19:55] <memyslfnI> yes he does [19:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree with Hagrid as a choice [19:56] <fawkes28> i think Remus would have done well there too [19:56] <MafaldaWeasley> what about Mr. Weasley? [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> great minds, fawkes... [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> good one fawkes [19:56] <fawkes28> yes, he would fit well [19:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think draco is fiercely loyal to his family... I don't think he joined the DE's for his own gain, but to defend his mother and to keep the reputation of the Malfoy family from becoming garbage [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> both the Weasley parents [19:56] <MafaldaWeasley> I see Remus more of a ravenclaw [19:57] <Aislinn> I agree with both Mr weasley and remus - molly too, as I see her as a hard worker [19:57] <DumbleDebbie> Sirius was very loyal [19:57] <DumbleDebbie> bit of a slacker though [19:57] <Raldan> Sue... wait, shes on the podcast [19:57] <Aislinn> Hufflepuff students played a role in Chamber of Secrets where they were united against Harry. How does this example give us a window into their personalities? [19:57] <memyslfnI> Isn't jovial a Hufflepuff haracteristic? [19:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe raldan, she's a hufflepuff [19:58] <MafaldaWeasley> Ah, well, they are supportie of their own... [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> hive mentality--which is why Neville wound up in Gryffindor! [19:58] <memyslfnI> explain PP [19:58] <fawkes28> i think it shows just how loyal they can be to each other [19:58] <memyslfnI> Pweese [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> unity of thought and purpose--worker bees--hufflepuff--hive mentality [19:58] * JoshBird has quit [Bye] [19:58] <memyslfnI> aaah! [19:58] <MafaldaWeasley> Everybody thought Harry cheated, it's not really a fault. I think they we just sayin', hey we play fair [19:58] <memyslfnI> duh me [19:58] <fawkes28> however, i don't think their actions were completely just [19:59] <Raldan> Kind of like Slytherin in that regard. [19:59] <Raldan> Singleness of mind [19:59] <memyslfnI> I agree with PP. They are not leaders they follow the group (if that was what you are getting at) [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> nah, i think slytherins are each out for themselves [19:59] <cbm> It showed them uniting behind one of the their own, but I do not think it is well thought out [19:59] <fawkes28> i thought they just attacked him head on without really taking the time to be patient, which is one of their virtues [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> Hufflepuffs are all about fairness--and when that is violated, it is outrageoius to them [20:00] <MafaldaWeasley> but that is the poin, they thought fairness was violated they thought Harry broke the rules [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> from their perspective, harry cheated [20:00] <MafaldaWeasley> exactly PP [20:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah... the hufflepuffs would make any casual backyard game into a deathmatch... so much cheating lol [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> and that wasn't fair to Cedric [20:00] <Aislinn> right, and that violates their value system [20:00] <memyslfnI> what wouls he have cheated at? I am so lost! LOL [20:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think we're talking about GoF, even though the question was about CoS [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> M, putting his name into the cup [20:01] <cbm> but we are talking about CoS, GoF, and it was malfoy who cheated in this case [20:01] <memyslfnI> I thought we were talking about CoS., that is where i got lost [20:01] <cbm> Not GoF [20:01] <Aislinn> We don't have to limit the discussion to CoS [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Hufflepuffs are open sorts, too [20:01] <memyslfnI> They felt he was the one cursing everyone stiff! Correct? [20:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye folks! great chat! have a great rest of the week [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> thus, when harry revealed he was a Parseltongue, they felt they had bee lied to [20:02] <Raldan> Bye choc [20:02] <Aislinn> yes they did, me [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> bye [20:02] <cbm> So Malfoy makes a snake that almost attacks one of their own, and they got mad at harry [20:02] <memyslfnI> OK I am now with the convo.. [20:02] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast has quit [Bye] [20:02] <Aislinn> According to the Sorting Hat, Helga Hufflepuff said that she would teach the lot and treat them just the same. What insight does this give us into her character? [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> practical, egalitarian [20:03] <MafaldaWeasley> that they are fair and believe everybody shall have equal oportunity to show their true value [20:03] <Joyhawk2121> she's a fair person [20:03] <fawkes28> i think she realized that students are just students no matter their background or intelligence [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> democratic, too--which is ahead of her time [20:03] <Raldan> No favorites [20:03] <cbm> I like Helga! Treating everybody the same is a great value to have [20:03] <Aislinn> it seems like this House could be pivotal in helping unite the Houses in the last book, given this type of value system [20:04] <memyslfnI> she does not care if they are half-bloods, uggle born or whatever. She just wants all withces and wizards to be given the finest education no matter what their background. Truly an admirable trait [20:04] <fawkes28> none of the other Founders were able to see it this was as she was [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> but everyone is not the same [20:04] <fawkes28> it shows us how just she was [20:04] * NYBookworm has joined #lounge [20:04] <Raldan> They aren't, but their treatment and opportunites will be. [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> I think there is a dark side to that, though [20:04] <Aislinn> hi NYB [20:05] <fawkes28> hi NYB [20:05] <Aislinn> a dark side? [20:05] <fawkes28> how, prongs? [20:05] * NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:05] * NYBookworm has joined #lounge [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> well, treating everyone the same is not always the correct approach [20:05] <memyslfnI> that's true [20:05] <Aislinn> yes, that's trrue [20:05] <fawkes28> yes, that is very true [20:06] <Aislinn> doesn't allow for individual needs and uniqueness [20:06] <Raldan> True, those who show extra effort may not be encouraged. [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> children are not little cookie cutouts [20:06] <fawkes28> if she treated them fairly then that would be a difference [20:06] <Aislinn> What other traits would you associate with Hufflepuff besides the main ones that have already been mentioned? [20:06] <NYBookworm> what's been mentioned? [20:06] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that they treat everybody as the same under the same conditions, their loaylty allow then to treat the equals on the smae way and those who have a difficultie in a different way so that they can achieve the smae level as the others. [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> stubborn [20:06] <fawkes28> just, loyal, patience, hard worker - NYB [20:06] <memyslfnI> I love the phrase from the GoF movie when Dd calls Cedric a "fierce friend" I can see that [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Hufflepuffs can be very stubborn [20:07] <cbm> Loyalty is #1 in my mind [20:07] <fawkes28> yes, stubborn is a good one [20:07] <fawkes28> maybe determined is another one [20:07] <MafaldaWeasley> we have seen so little of them, but Cedric [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> lol--fawkes, I was thinking obdurate [20:08] <Aislinn> That's fairly negative in connotation, prongs - do you see it as a fault common to members of this house? [20:08] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do [20:08] <memyslfnI> well, not every house is perfect.They have their faults [20:08] <ProngsPatronus> very true [20:09] <NYBookworm> honest? becasue part pf beomg a loyal and fair friend is telling things like they are [20:09] <ProngsPatronus> all I am saying is that every house is a landscape unto itself--all have their dark side, which is part of their characteristics, too [20:09] <cbm> obdurate is not a word I would ever use for cedric [20:09] <Aislinn> very true [20:09] <fawkes28> yes, honest would fit, NYB [20:10] <Aislinn> Ron is a very loyal friend to Harry and would go any lengths to protect him. Would Ron have done well as a Hufflepuff? [20:10] <cbm> No, I think his jealous streak would do him in [20:11] <MafaldaWeasley> No, Ron his very proud boy, and he is not patient at all [20:11] <Aislinn> you don't think Hufflepuffs would have any jealous tendencies? [20:11] <memyslfnI> I do not see him as one, his lack of hard work for one [20:12] <cbm> Some, but not to the degree that Ron does [20:12] <memyslfnI> plus there is that whole GoF mess [20:12] <fawkes28> i think Ron would have done well - he is extremely loyal to Harry [20:12] <Aislinn> yes, Me, that seems quite out of character for the House [20:12] <fawkes28> and Ron is a hard worker when it comes to what matters to him [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> I think Ron is way too emotional for Hufflepuff [20:12] <Aislinn> Fair Ravenclaw, from glen values cleverness above all traits. What examples from the series demonstrate this prized value?** [20:12] <MafaldaWeasley> Ravenclaws are more emotional, PP, I agree [20:13] <fawkes28> Hermione has shown us this trait many times [20:13] <memyslfnI> this is tough, he have not seen this from many, except Hermione [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> yes--if she had not been Sorted into Gryffindor, I would have put her in Ravenclaw [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> I think Luna is extremely clever [20:14] <MafaldaWeasley> Luna believes in everything that hasn't been proved not existent. I think this shows cleverness, in some level cuase she reflects a behaviour of a cientist. [20:14] <fawkes28> how so, prongs? [20:14] <memyslfnI> those we know as Ravenclaws, Cho, Luna, have not exhibited tons of brilliance [20:14] <Aislinn> they haven't, me [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> I think Luna is brilliant [20:15] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Luna has it, Me. I think she was the only one not to be harmed on the MoM, am I not correct? [20:15] <cbm> Hermione figuring out the Basilisk was good, her parchment for the Da was another thing [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> but genius doesn't always get there the same way others do [20:15] <memyslfnI> I love Luna, she uses both sides of the brain. [20:15] <Raldan> She certainlt "Thinks Different"! [20:15] <fawkes28> Ron was clever in the chess game, imo [20:15] <Raldan> certainly [20:15] <MafaldaWeasley> Ron is very clever, he's just lazy [20:15] <Aislinn> that's a good way of putting it, me. She does use both sides of her brain. [20:16] DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [20:16] <fawkes28> i also think Wood was clever - strategizing his plans for all of their games [20:16] <ProngsPatronus> and she believes in a Universe of possibilities, not probabilities [20:16] <MafaldaWeasley> Besides that she could sense Harry very well, this shows that she is good at observing [20:16] <memyslfnI> I like that PP [20:16] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree PP [20:16] * CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:16] <Aislinn> Hi carpe [20:16] <Aislinn> Hermione stands out from her peers in Gryffindor and is known for her intelligence. The Sorting Hat almost placed Hermione in Ravenclaw. How would Hermione have fared in Ravenclaw? Would it have made any difference in her abilities? [20:16] <CarpeDiem> Hiya! [20:17] <fawkes28> hey Carpe! [20:17] <Raldan> Hi [20:17] <fawkes28> Hermione would have done excellent in Ravenclaw [20:17] <MafaldaWeasley> I think she would have been a lot more binded by the law if she were a ravenclaw [20:17] * mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [20:17] <mollywobbles23> hello [20:17] <ProngsPatronus> I think Hermione would have done well in Ravenclaw---but she benefits from being in Gryffindor much more [20:17] <MafaldaWeasley> hello Molly [20:17] <Aislinn> that's how i see her, mafalda [20:17] <fawkes28> actually, i think that would have honed her academic skills even more so that Gryffindor [20:17] <mollywobbles23> what's the question? [20:17] <memyslfnI> I think that she might not have crossed paths with Harry, Houses tend to stick together, I wonder if she asked for Gryffindor as well? [20:17] <Aislinn> she would have been much more rigid, and rule following [20:17] <Aislinn> More like Percy [20:17] <CarpeDiem> I think Hermione would not have broken out of her "shell" as she has done with help from the boys. She'd be the best in her year no matter the hous though smile [20:17] <MafaldaWeasley> She would be like Percy [20:17] <cbm> I think she would have done well there also! [20:17] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Aislinn [20:18] <Raldan> Her intelectual pursuits would have dominated and perhaps would be less active in the fight! [20:18] <CarpeDiem> Exactly Aislinn...great analogy [20:18] <Aislinn> We are talking about if Hermione had been sorted into ravenclaw, mollywobbles23 [20:18] <fawkes28> she would not have the social skills that she does if she was placed in ravenclaw [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> being put in gryffindor has allowed hermione to develop into a whole person [20:18] <memyslfnI> I agree PP [20:18] <Aislinn> exactly, prongs [20:18] <Raldan> Agreed Prongs [20:18] <MafaldaWeasley> Bottom line, Hermione would be hard to deal with. [20:18] <cbm> I think the gryffendor was VERY good for Hermione! [20:18] <cbm> griffindor [20:19] <Aislinn> That's kind of what I was thinking about in relation to the very first question in the chat [20:19] <MafaldaWeasley> more than that, harry and Ron were good to Hermione smile [20:19] <CarpeDiem> That's an interesting thought Prongs. Perhaps ending up in the house that you are "best suited" for also means that you will need to change a bit. [20:19] <mollywobbles23> She wouldn't take risks [20:19] <ProngsPatronus> and that may be an insight into the Sorting process of the first question tonight [20:19] <Aislinn> If the only thing the Hat considered was pure house characteristics, it seems Hermione would have ended up in Ravenclaw [20:19] <Aislinn> Yet it placed her in gryffindor [20:19] <memyslfnI> she might have asked for it [20:19] <CarpeDiem> It's not just you and your abilities but the abilities of those around you....the people and experiences that you will best develop with. [20:19] <memyslfnI> choices [20:20] <Aislinn> Choices, and what you value most [20:20] <Raldan> Growth where its needed. [20:20] <MafaldaWeasley> Yes Carpe, that really does shapes you pattenr of behaviour [20:20] <fawkes28> ravenclaw would not have been the best choice - gryffindor helped her to grow the most [20:20] <cbm> But she is also in the house she wanted, is that what got her there? [20:20] <fawkes28> i think so, cbm [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> let's face it--hermione would study, no matter what house she was in [20:21] <Aislinn> Often times, the Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff Houses are overshadowed by Gryffindor and Slytherin. How much of this secondary role is due to the characteristics of these two houses? [20:21] <Raldan> Perhaps we are drawn to the house we need. [20:21] <mollywobbles23> Maybe she was thinking about how much she wanted friends and the sorting hat knew that she would be find intellectually wherever she was put, but socially she would do better in Gryffindor? [20:21] <memyslfnI> it was all in her head... There were a few people that took a fair amount of time to sort, I wonder if they chose [20:21] <CarpeDiem> True Prongs smile [20:21] <mollywobbles23> a lot [20:21] <cbm> So maybe where Harry was saying "Not Slytherin" Hermione was saying "Gryffindor" [20:21] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, she read Hogwarts a history well, and she knew, a bit of pride here, that gryffindor was mmm one of the most famous houses, for saying so [20:21] <Aislinn> I love this question, written by fawkes [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> but the other stuff? no chance to develop the other traits outside the academic box [20:21] <CarpeDiem> Whoot! Great question, fawkes! [20:21] <MafaldaWeasley> I think both houses like to keep a low profile [20:21] <memyslfnI> I think the G/S rivally overshadows them.. [20:21] <mollywobbles23> Studying and being loyal without risk are kind of passive things [20:22] <fawkes28> I think that their characteristics are a lot more laid back than Gryffindor and SLytherin [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> I think it has a great deal to do with gender, myself [20:22] <cbm> Bravery and ambition vs. smarts and loyalty [20:22] <memyslfnI> more ravenclaws are girls? [20:22] <fawkes28> yes, molly - Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are more passive and just go with the flow [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> and the breaking of the Founder's cooperation [20:22] <Raldan> Hard work and cleverness are fine in themselves, but sometimes we need to strive to make changes in the world. [20:23] <CarpeDiem> With Huff and Raven the passion is there, it's just placed in a different priority. You match bravery against cunning and you've got yourself a handful. [20:23] <Aislinn> I think that the qualities of ambition and bravery are outwardly driven [20:23] <fawkes28> i really dont think it has to do with Harry's perspective at all - i think that is just the true nature of the houses [20:23] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that both Gryffindor and Slytherin liked to stand out. [20:24] <mollywobbles23> yes, S & G are extroverts; R & H are introverts [20:24] <Aislinn> Those of hard work and cleverness are more internally driven [20:24] <fawkes28> look at the Founders - who was the main battle between - GG and SS [20:24] <ProngsPatronus> well, we have bravery and ambition pitted against each other [20:24] <Raldan> right [20:24] <CarpeDiem> great points...extrovert vs introvert [20:24] <fawkes28> it is interesting that the males were extroverted and the females were introverts and that is how their houses developed [20:25] <MafaldaWeasley> by their personalitie and not only by their knowledge. I mean, boldness and where do you came from are a lot more shinny than knowledge and loyalty [20:25] <Raldan> Interesting thought fawkes [20:25] <Aislinn> I agree with your earlier comment, Prongs, about there being a more femine aspect to the qualities of Hufflepuff and ravenclaw [20:25] <Aislinn> and more male aspects to the other 2 - testosterone driven, almost [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> yes [20:26] * JulianBH has joined #lounge [20:26] <CarpeDiem> The games they play are also very competition based. Quidditch is very sporting. Perhaps if there had been a wider variety? Academic challenges or points for acts of kindness the "competition" would be much more evenly dispersed? [20:26] <Raldan> More nurturing and building up in the R & H [20:26] <JulianBH> hi everyone [20:26] * Sophia40 has joined #lounge [20:26] <Aislinn> Hufflepuff characteristics are like those of a mother - concerned with family and togetherness [20:26] <memyslfnI> hey Julian [20:26] <fawkes28> but it almost seems sexist that this is how the houses turned out [20:26] <Raldan> Hi [20:26] <Aislinn> hi JulianBH , Sophia40 [20:26] <Sophia40> Sorry I am late [20:26] <Raldan> Its a cultural reality [20:26] <Sophia40> Hi all !! [20:27] <mollywobbles23> But, both will have their day. I feel it. [20:27] <MafaldaWeasley> hello [20:27] <Raldan> hi [20:27] <Aislinn> Salazar Slytherin valued those folks who were cunning and had great ambition. Besides Lord Voldemort, which character epitomizes the traits the Salzaar treasured so dearly?** [20:27] <mollywobbles23> Lucius [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> dare I write it? [20:27] <CarpeDiem> Slughorn I think is a wonderful example. [20:27] <fawkes28> Snape [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> the greasy git [20:27] <memyslfnI> very machavelian, I always though [20:27] <Raldan> Snape desire for DADA [20:27] <Sophia40> Snape [20:27] <memyslfnI> Slughorn [20:28] <mollywobbles23> I don't think so with Snape. What did he ever actually DO to get what he wanted? [20:28] <Sophia40> Slughorn is abious through others [20:28] <ProngsPatronus> Umbridge--although we do not know her house for sure [20:28] <fawkes28> Snape is very cunning and had two people fooled [20:28] <MafaldaWeasley> The feeling of superiority or maybe even roaytie? [20:28] <Aislinn> umbridge certainly comes across like a Slytherin, prongs [20:28] <CarpeDiem> Yes, she also seems very ambitious. You're right Prongs. [20:28] <cbm> What is Snape's ambition, to bully the most students possible? but I agree he is cunning [20:28] <mollywobbles23> I guess I was focusing on the ambition part with Snape. He is cunning. [20:28] <memyslfnI> I wonder if Fudge was a slytherin [20:28] <Raldan> It takes a lot of cunning to walk the fence [20:28] <fawkes28> i also think Snape has the most ambition of the lot - even more so than Lucius [20:28] <ProngsPatronus> me, too [20:29] <memyslfnI> rember how upset Snape was when he lost the order of Merlin? [20:29] <memyslfnI> He certainly is ambitous [20:29] <Aislinn> yes, me, that was a certain sign of his ambition [20:29] <cbm> My problem with Snape and ambition is that I do not know what his final goal is [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> isn't it ironic that Peter pettigrew has an Order of merlin, and Snape was denied one? [20:30] <Aislinn> indeed [20:30] <Sophia40> Slughorn is only ambition is to know people who have status and fame [20:30] <memyslfnI> that's government for you PP [20:30] * mollywobbles23 has American Idol on mute, waiting for Dan and/or Helena (or at least an artist she likes) to appear. [20:30] <Raldan> If we knew, we'd know book 7 [20:30] <fawkes28> well - Snape is only a half-blood so perhaps Slytherin would not have been proud to have him in his house [20:30] <memyslfnI> yes,but slughorn benefits from them [20:30] <Aislinn> The Slytherin House has a strong stereotypical mold for its students. Which Slytherin students, past or present, break this stereotype? How? [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> I think that has a great deal to do with the desperation of his ambition, too [20:30] <fawkes28> I think Slughorn breaks the mold [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> the only one I can think of is Slughorn [20:31] <mollywobbles23> Yeah, Slughorn breaks the mold. So do Crabbe and Goyle. They're lackeys. [20:31] <MafaldaWeasley> Regulus, most likely [20:31] <memyslfnI> maybe Regulus does, we wont really know, but he went aginst LV so he was very brave [20:31] <cbm> II think draco represents ambition without cunning [20:31] * hrh7 has joined #lounge [20:31] <Aislinn> possibly regulus, but we don't know enough about him [20:31] <fawkes28> in some ways, i would say Crabbe and Goyle because they dont seem to have any ambition whatsoever - they are like two bumps on a log [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> but we have seen Slytherin at a terrible point in its history [20:31] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, I'd agree with that [20:31] <memyslfnI> He took a horcrux, that is pretty brave [20:31] <mollywobbles23> I think the only reason they are in Slytherin is because they wished it so because their parents were. [20:32] <mollywobbles23> at least their dads were. [20:32] <CarpeDiem> I don't see it though. I think he's a good example of a "decent" Slytherin. He follows that mold though. His group of favorties picked in an attempt to idolize himself...that just screams ambition and cunning to me. [20:32] <CarpeDiem> He = Slughorn [20:32] <fawkes28> what about blaise zabini? [20:32] <ProngsPatronus> but those favourites are not all pureblood, not all Slytherins--he goes on talent [20:32] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree with Molly. Draco's biggest desire is to make his parents, and even more Lucius, proud of him [20:32] <mollywobbles23> don't know enough about him [20:32] <Aislinn> cbm, I don't see Draco as the sharpest tool in the shed, but he did demonstrate some cunning in HBP [20:32] <memyslfnI> what do we really know about blaize? [20:33] <fawkes28> not much - that is why i asked laugh [20:33] <memyslfnI> i agree Aislinn [20:33] <Aislinn> that he has a black widow for a mother, me smile [20:33] <memyslfnI> aah, yes she was [20:33] <memyslfnI> I forgot about that [20:33] <mollywobbles23> Oh, I was talking about Crabbe and Goyle. I think Draco is a true Slytherin, at least moreso than his "friends" [20:33] * Joyhawk2121 has quit [Bye] [20:34] <MafaldaWeasley> oops hehehe Sorry Molly [20:34] <fawkes28> yes, draco definitely does not break the mold [20:34] <mollywobbles23> 's kay [20:34] <ProngsPatronus> Crabbe and Goyle, though--they may actually be ambitious--their ambition being close to the seat of power in their group, which is Draco [20:34] <fawkes28> there arent that many, are there? [20:34] <mollywobbles23> I don't think so. I think they just like to glare and bully people. [20:34] <Aislinn> How much of a role does possessing the characteristic of ambition play in ultimately becoming a Death Eater? [20:34] <ProngsPatronus> pansy parkinson [20:34] <Sophia40> Well i can't get a word you all are thinkin my toughts LOLOLOlo [20:34] <mollywobbles23> They aren't very cunning, at least. [20:35] * NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:35] <cbm> I think it is important for those who join because they are looking for power [20:35] <memyslfnI> I am not sure if its ambition, rather than purifying the race [20:35] * Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [20:35] <MafaldaWeasley> the feeling of superiority [20:35] <mollywobbles23> that's ambitious. Horrible, but ambitious. [20:35] <ProngsPatronus> I think it plays a big role [20:35] <fawkes28> i think that is the top trait to have in order to become a death eater - because you need to crave power [20:35] <Sophia40> Not ambition but loyalty is my thought! [20:35] <ProngsPatronus> I bet LV promised them the world [20:35] <Aislinn> it depends, me - if they see LV as the likeliest rising power, it is ambitious to align themselves with him [20:36] <cbm> They want the power to run the world [20:36] <Raldan> If you want to be a part of the power structure at all, you'd need to do some serious kissing up. [20:36] <fawkes28> see, i dont think there is that much loyalty involved with all of them - the desire to be something great needs to be there first [20:36] <CarpeDiem> You must be engrossed enough with power and the need for it to sacrafice anything for it. Once you reach that point, you're a perfect canidate. [20:36] <memyslfnI> fair weather hoodlums, then I guess [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> and remake it according to their own lights [20:36] <MafaldaWeasley> I think they believe themselves the roaylti of the wizarding world [20:36] <CarpeDiem> That's what I think to Prongs [20:36] <CarpeDiem> Bah! too [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> aristos [20:37] <cbm> The quote from SS/PS keeps coming back to me: There is no good or evil, only power ... [20:37] <fawkes28> i see ambition as one of the main reasons Peter became a death eater even though he wasnt a slytherin [20:37] <fawkes28> that is a good line, cbm [20:37] <mollywobbles23> yeah, if their real goal was just to "purify" the world, then they would have kept on after Voldemort "died," but since he did they all tried to back to life as normal, except for the few who were caught. [20:37] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [20:37] <mollywobbles23> and power corrupts [20:38] <mollywobbles23> points to Fudge [20:38] <ProngsPatronus> absolutely [20:38] <Aislinn> Ambition often has a negative connotation in the series. How have you seen ambition used for good purposes rather than evil? [20:38] <cbm> very true! [20:38] <mollywobbles23> the twins [20:38] <memyslfnI> Yes Molly! [20:38] <ProngsPatronus> I think DD had a huge ambition--to defeat evil [20:38] <cbm> Wood has ambition [20:38] <fawkes28> nice, Molly [20:38] <Aislinn> the twins are a great example [20:38] <memyslfnI> Yes, PP [20:38] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs [20:38] <fawkes28> oh yes wood has a great amount of ambition and it pays off [20:39] <mollywobbles23> Hermione and S.P.E.W. [20:39] <memyslfnI> as doea Harry, PP [20:39] <Sophia40> The twins are an excellent example [20:39] <memyslfnI> does, rather [20:39] <fawkes28> Harry also has a lot of ambition and he uses it for good rather than evile [20:39] <Aislinn> i think Harry shares that ambition, Prongs [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> yes, he does [20:39] * Chaosette has joined #lounge [20:39] <Aislinn> hi Chaosette [20:39] <CarpeDiem> McGonnagal was ambitious enough to let a first year play quidditch...and smuggle a broom smile [20:39] <Chaosette> Hello =) [20:39] <Raldan> Hi [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> lol--yep--her ambition was to lord that victory over snape [20:39] <Aislinn> she does care about her House winning the cup, doesn't she? smile [20:40] <fawkes28> i think McGonagall was also ambitious to get rid of Umbridge laugh [20:40] <memyslfnI> What about the maurauders and becoming animagi? that was pretty ambitious [20:40] <ProngsPatronus> and I just love that about her [20:40] <memyslfnI> all for a friend [20:40] <CarpeDiem> I can NOT wait...I hope they kept those scenes, fawkes smile [20:40] <Raldan> Didn't Hermy want to become an Auror? [20:40] <Aislinn> yes, me, that's another good example [20:40] <fawkes28> i think the mauraders as a whole are ambitious men [20:40] <mollywobbles23> I think they do at least have the one with Umbridge in Snape's class, CarpeDiem [20:40] <mollywobbles23> that's what it looks like in the trailer [20:40] <CarpeDiem> The Order seems very ambitious as well [20:40] <cbm> I think where ambition becomes bad is when it involves setting yourself above others, as opposed to just getting ahead yourself [20:41] * sherman has joined #lounge [20:41] <fawkes28> good point, carpe [20:41] <Sophia40> Ron wants to be an Auror [20:41] <hrh7> Ron wanted to become an auror also [20:41] <CarpeDiem> Wonderful...thanks Molly smile [20:41] <Raldan> right [20:41] <mollywobbles23> oh, Ron. [20:41] <Aislinn> The Sorting Hat almost placed Harry in the Slytherin House. How much of an impact would being in this house affect his character? [20:41] <fawkes28> hi sherman [20:41] <mollywobbles23> I love Ron. [20:41] <sherman> hey [20:41] <mollywobbles23> a lot [20:41] <MafaldaWeasley> i think he would have been isolated [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think it would have stifled the good in him [20:41] <sherman> he would probably become more like draco [20:41] <Sophia40> Crushing blow [20:41] <cbm> As I said before, I think it would have been worse than the dursleys [20:42] <fawkes28> i think it would have made him more emotional [20:42] <Raldan> It would have affected his relationship with Dumbledore! [20:42] <ProngsPatronus> I agree [20:42] <memyslfnI> Harry is incorruptable, I still think he would have prevailed over LV [20:42] <cbm> Harry could have never been like Draco [20:42] <sherman> i don't think so. [20:42] <fawkes28> i think he would have been a lot more tempted though in slytherin [20:42] <ProngsPatronus> I think it would have stunted his emotional growth [20:42] <Aislinn> I agree that he would have felt out of place, just like at the dursleys [20:42] <mollywobbles23> I think he would have become a recluse. I don't think he would have become like Draco, but I don't think he would be Harry as we know him. [20:42] <sherman> sure he could. Being around people like him will influence you [20:42] <fawkes28> he probably would have withdrawn and become depressed [20:42] <CarpeDiem> We would have a very different story indeed! [20:43] <ProngsPatronus> it would have made him even more open to LV, I think [20:43] * dracoloveroftheworld has joined #lounge [20:43] <sherman> exactly [20:43] <Raldan> He would have embraced Draco instead of shunning him, It would have had a major effect. [20:43] <cbm> Draco was taught to be like that from birte could never be like that [20:43] <mollywobbles23> Because look at how the Gryffindors treat all Slytherins. He would have been dismissed at the sight of his green tie. So, who knows if there is a good Slytherin who has been ignored by the "great house" of Gryffindor? [20:43] <Aislinn> The Sorting Hat did not even hesitate when it was placed Draco Malfoy in Slytherin. What makes Draco such a great member of this House?** [20:43] <cbm> birth he [20:43] <mollywobbles23> his hair [20:43] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:43] <fawkes28> hi dracoloveroftheworld [20:43] <memyslfnI> he embraces their beliefs [20:43] <dracoloveroftheworld> hi [20:43] <ProngsPatronus> I think Draco is a quintessential Slytherin [20:43] <Aislinn> just like his father [20:44] <memyslfnI> he doesn't question it [20:44] <dracoloveroftheworld> his father and him are evil, except draco is slightly lesss [20:44] * cbm thinks that draco and great should never be in the same sentence [20:44] <CarpeDiem> Yes, he was born and bread to be a Slytherin [20:44] <Raldan> He is the antithesis of Harry. [20:44] <dracoloveroftheworld> but if he couldnt complete the task, does that not make him less evil [20:44] <sherman> him being around slytherins all the time, and always hearing only one side of the arguement against muggleborns could make harry believe that what the slytherins believe is true [20:44] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he has a very large will to be like his father [20:44] <Sophia40> His pride in being a Slythrine [20:45] <dracoloveroftheworld> but can he, i mean thinmk about it, however similar they are what are the differences? [20:45] <Raldan> His allegiance to the Dark Lord over Dumbledore [20:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1193937 [20:45] <memyslfnI> it is all he knows, its like the hitler youth unfortunately [20:45] <dracoloveroftheworld> all he wants is to make is father proud [20:45] <ProngsPatronus> oh, I think that Draco wants more than that [20:45] <ProngsPatronus> he wants fame of his own [20:45] <Aislinn> yes he does [20:45] <memyslfnI> I agre PP [20:46] <Sophia40> And now the Dark Lord [20:46] <dracoloveroftheworld> well true, b/c of the ambition [20:46] <cbm> I also think that it is a lack of characteristics that would make him eligible for any other houses [20:46] <dracoloveroftheworld> true [20:46] <MafaldaWeasley> I also believe all he wants is to make his father proud, to make himself a good Malfoy and be able to keep the family name high [20:46] * etnutter has joined #lounge [20:46] <ProngsPatronus> well, he would be a fish out of water in Hufflepuff [20:46] <fawkes28> hey etnutter [20:46] <Aislinn> Salazar accepted only those of pure-blood ancestry when he was alive. If this was his wish, how come the Sorting Hat started accepting those students whose blood was not completely pure?** [20:46] <dracoloveroftheworld> that is completly correct, he wants to uphold malfoy tradition [20:46] <Raldan> Slytherin = Death Eater Pre-School [20:46] <memyslfnI> there were not many left [20:46] <etnutter> Hey Fawkes28 and everyone - hello Aislinn [20:47] <sherman> because they believe in slytherins ideals [20:47] <dracoloveroftheworld> which means half-bloods [20:47] <Aislinn> hi etnutter [20:47] <Raldan> hi [20:47] <dracoloveroftheworld> hi [20:47] <cbm> I think that there are too few purebloods today [20:47] <sherman> only people who support blood purity [20:47] <ProngsPatronus> the house would disappear if all they accepted were purebloods [20:47] <Aislinn> I think that must be true cbm [20:47] <etnutter> He was kicked out or left over it didn't he? [20:47] <Sophia40> The purebloods are dying out [20:47] <dracoloveroftheworld> yea, [20:47] <dracoloveroftheworld> they had to marry muggles [20:47] <fawkes28> but i really wonder about this though - if he was so adament about it how come - just because there wasnt many of them? i feel it is more than that [20:48] * mollywobbles23 censored herself [20:48] <dracoloveroftheworld> like how? [20:48] <CarpeDiem> I think the sorting hat saw that you didn't have to be pureblood to be evil...I mean ambitious smile [20:48] <MafaldaWeasley> like TR [20:48] <sherman> they believe in slytherin's ideals about how important it is to be pure. They don't have to be pure just believe in it [20:48] <dracoloveroftheworld> true. [20:48] <etnutter> Salazar was a gatekeeper kind of guy [20:48] <fawkes28> maybe over time - the brains started looking at other characteristics more strongly than ancestry [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> well, you don't have to be pureblood to be cunning and ambitiouos [20:48] <Aislinn> it is the Sorting Hat that makes the choice now, and it seems to look for the values and characteristics, more than the bloodline [20:48] <memyslfnI> right PP [20:49] <cbm> I wonder how many are not purebloods [20:49] <etnutter> I am on the fence about the sorting hat being the actual sorter, it is more like a guidence counsellor [20:49] <mollywobbles23> lol, etnutter. That made me think of Ghostbusters. "I am the Gatekeeper." [20:49] <Sophia40> I don't think it is the belief thing I think it is heart thing [20:49] <dracoloveroftheworld> its not all about blood lines [20:49] <fawkes28> nicely said, Aislinn [20:49] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> I daresay that Slytherin would have taken Tom and Snape [20:49] <Aislinn> How did a half-blood wizard end up as Head of House for this House, given Salazar's beliefs? [20:49] *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] [20:49] <mollywobbles23> Karma? [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> he was the Potions Master [20:50] <etnutter> He emulated all the other qualities.....and model of the greatest since salazar LV [20:50] <sherman> he was the only other choice [20:50] <fawkes28> really, prongs? he really seemed set on not taking them because he didnt trust anyone but purebloods [20:50] <memyslfnI> again, it was what was inside is head, not what was in his blood [20:50] <sherman> no other professors that we know, are slytherins [20:50] <cbm> He was probably all they had, we do not know if any other of the teachers were in Slytherin [20:50] <MafaldaWeasley> Cause it's not important. I think that what is more important is the ancestry not onl the pureblood and beyond that I believe that what they relly do not want is a muggleborn [20:50] <fawkes28> Snape was the most cunning of them all that is why [20:50] <memyslfnI> yes fawkes [20:50] <cbm> He is also the jr. head of house in terms of experience [20:50] <etnutter> Perhaps they hate muggles because muggles first hated them... [20:50] * Chaosette has quit [Bye] [20:50] <MafaldaWeasley> Yes fawkes I think he reflects all the characteristics [20:50] <mollywobbles23> because DD trusted him. That's how. [20:51] <sherman> maybe [20:51] <memyslfnI> wil we see Slughorn take his place in DH? [20:51] <fawkes28> he also upheld Slytherin's values [20:51] <Aislinn> i think we are bound to, me [20:51] <dracoloveroftheworld> ? [20:51] <CarpeDiem> Perhaps he's te best choice available. Who else on staff is Slytherin that would fit the bill? [20:51] <cbm> Slughorn will take his place [20:51] <etnutter> In a smarmy way, Fawkes, no? I think he is a shoe in, he is returning to that post I think from his past [20:51] <mollywobbles23> no idea [20:51] <memyslfnI> unless he goes elsewhere [20:51] <Sophia40> I think so fawkes who else is there? [20:52] <mollywobbles23> maybe Sinistra? She strikes me as more Ravenclaw, though. [20:52] <Aislinn> Besides the characteristics of the Four Houses, does Hogwarts as a whole exhibit certain virtues that are found amongst many of its students? [20:52] <memyslfnI> outside of the school [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think so [20:52] <etnutter> In a clubbish way - [20:52] <mollywobbles23> mischevious-ness [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> we saw that in the Triwizard Tournament [20:52] <mollywobbles23> or however it's spelled. [20:52] <fawkes28> I think bravery may be found amongst them all to some degree - i am thinking about the DA [20:53] <fawkes28> defintely, molly [20:53] <ProngsPatronus> Hogwarts students were the ones who excelled at their tasks [20:53] <Sophia40> A pride of place [20:53] <etnutter> The same way English Prep schools are different from any other country.....an englishness about them that is very appealing [20:53] <CarpeDiem> I think Hogwarts gives you a sense of family. No matter the house or the year you went, it's a connection. Something everyone went through and for the most part enjoyed I bet [20:53] <etnutter> It is an approach to education, maybe [20:53] <mollywobbles23> Individuality. Look at the way they sang the school song. [20:53] <MafaldaWeasley> good point Molly [20:53] <etnutter> See here old chap and all that rot. [20:53] <Raldan> good one molly [20:54] <sherman> yeah it has to do with boarding schools. you develop a bond between those that you live with every day [20:54] <dracoloveroftheworld> everyone is different, and not all actually fit into the house they r in [20:54] <Aislinn> I think that the Head of a school can set a tone, a philosophy that is carried throughout the school [20:54] <Aislinn> I think dumbledore did that in his brilliant, eccentric way [20:54] <etnutter> I don't think anyone's personality emulates their house I think it is more a matter of their inner character [20:54] <ProngsPatronus> I agree [20:54] <dracoloveroftheworld> yea, dd was all love, but the slytherns werent, yet the rest were. [20:54] <fawkes28> yes, although not everyone was willing to follow his example [20:54] <Sophia40> I believe this as well Aislinn [20:55] <ProngsPatronus> however, they all benefitted from that philosophy, whether they shared it or not [20:55] <Aislinn> He was all about respecting individuals for whe they are [20:55] <dracoloveroftheworld> yea. [20:55] <Raldan> There is an acceptance among the four houses in general. [20:55] <dracoloveroftheworld> yea [20:55] <etnutter> and a rivalry - can you have respect without rivalry? [20:55] <Sophia40> the Slythrins don't accept anyone but Slythrins [20:55] <fawkes28> but i dont think respect could be considered a common quality because of slytherin [20:55] <ProngsPatronus> yes [20:56] <Aislinn> . What would Hogwarts do with its students if they were not separated into Houses based on their characteristics? [20:56] <ProngsPatronus> Slytherins respect power [20:56] <fawkes28> it's a shame but it hard to consider hogwarts whole without slytherin [20:56] <cbm> I think it would be like everywhere else and sort by year [20:56] <sherman> that seems like the only way to seperate them [20:56] <mollywobbles23> divide them by year and gender room-wise. Then put them in class times just like other schools. [20:56] * JulianBH has quit [Bye] [20:56] <ProngsPatronus> I think it would be more stratified by year [20:56] <fawkes28> I think a randon split would be interesting to see [20:56] <dracoloveroftheworld> what do u mean? [20:56] <etnutter> It would not be.....as they are reflected in all studies into temperment from ARistotle down through Jung [20:56] <dracoloveroftheworld> oh. [20:56] <Sophia40> Well I think that they would still sepreate by them selves [20:57] <dracoloveroftheworld> that makes sense [20:57] <mollywobbles23> what? [20:57] <etnutter> There are always four and they are always like you see in Hogwards [20:57] <etnutter> hogwarts, [20:57] <fawkes28> year is a good possibly - like freshmen dorms [20:57] <cbm> The house are stratified by power, houses just add more division [20:57] <Raldan> It would be a harder story to tell. [20:57] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree cbm [20:57] <etnutter> THey would truncate into clicks around the same themes [20:57] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I think you're right Prongs. Age would play a bigger role. Less mentoring relationships [20:57] <ProngsPatronus> I also think it would be more cliquish, rather than less [20:57] <dracoloveroftheworld> but the housess encourge freindly competion, and most de spawn would not be willing to share with muggle born [20:57] <fawkes28> i think class separation would foster more spirit and unity rather than by personality [20:57] <sherman> if you put those in the same year together you might get people like Pansy and Hermione in the same dorm. And because of Pansy's belief she could potentialy hurt Hermione. [20:57] <Aislinn> i think it would be more cliquish too [20:58] <Aislinn> Last question: Which House would you be placed on based on your traits? [20:58] <mollywobbles23> The dorms would be bigger. Who you share a room with would be random, excpet maybe 6th and 7th years could have the option of choosing who they room with. [20:58] <ProngsPatronus> more like American High Schools [20:58] <dracoloveroftheworld> we dont want people getting hurt b/c of different views [20:58] <MafaldaWeasley> Ravenclaw [20:58] <mollywobbles23> Gryffinclaw [20:58] <Raldan> Our trio might be separated!!! [20:58] <mollywobbles23> lol [20:58] <MafaldaWeasley> or Slytherin [20:58] <dracoloveroftheworld> that would be bad. [20:58] <Aislinn> Ravenclaw here [20:58] <etnutter> I would be a very very nice slytherin and therefore an outcast a LUna among the dark dungeons [20:58] <memyslfnI> I would never get in! [20:58] <Sophia40> Gryffindore al the way [20:58] <cbm> gryffindor [20:58] <mollywobbles23> Gryffindor because I would choose it like Hermione. I like to be around brave people in hopes it will rub off. [20:58] <fawkes28> ravenclaw - even though i would love to be in gryffindor [20:59] * sherman has quit [Bye] [20:59] * NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:59] <ProngsPatronus> Gryffindore--I am such a hermione! [20:59] <dracoloveroftheworld> hufflepuff, cause ijm just to sweet or possibly slythran cause i can be evil [20:59] <etnutter> it is about who you are on the inside - what your shadow looks like that determines where you go [20:59] <Raldan> Gryffindor, where else?? [20:59] <dracoloveroftheworld> oh so griffin dor then. [20:59] <MafaldaWeasley> Hufflepuff wouldn't be bad as well [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> too bad there isn't a gryffinclaw! [21:00] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming to the chat everyone! smile [21:00] <Sophia40> I am loyal and true so I could be in Ravenclaw [21:00] <dracoloveroftheworld> no, i share traits from all 4. [21:00] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs, I like that combo [21:00] <dracoloveroftheworld> what? [21:00] <MafaldaWeasley> But I'm pretty much sure I would be ravenclaw or Slytherin, because I'm very sarcastic hehe [21:00] <Aislinn> It's been a great chat everyone - thanks for coming! [21:00] <MafaldaWeasley> bye everyone! [21:00] <Raldan> Great chat all, thanks! [21:00] <etnutter> But you must surely dominate with oneDracolover [21:00] <dracoloveroftheworld> ur welcome? [21:00] <Raldan> Bye [21:00] <MafaldaWeasley> have a nice evening! [21:00] <fawkes28> Tomorrow at 4 pm EST PotterCast Chat and Friday at 9 pm EST! [21:00] <etnutter> I always come late and miss out! [21:00] <cbm> I like taking things head on, I took up rock climbing to get rid of my fear of heights, it worked smile [21:00] <CarpeDiem> Great questions once again. Thanks for the chat CB mods! [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> thanks--it has been a nice chat--great questions! [21:01] * MafaldaWeasley left #lounge [] [21:01] <cbm> good night! [21:01] <Sophia40> Thanks everyone bye [21:01] <Aislinn> yes, good job fawkes [21:01] <dracoloveroftheworld> okay it could be hard, i think it would be hufflpuff, cause im very caring, and i listen and im sweet, or thats what people tell me. [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> what is up for this sunday? [21:01] <memyslfnI> bye guys, great chat [21:01] * Raldan left #lounge [] [21:01] * memyslfnI has quit [Bye] [21:01] <Aislinn> erm, I don't remember prongs [21:01] <Aislinn> I'll have to check [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> k [21:01] <fawkes28> i am not sure either [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> bye, all! [21:01] <etnutter> Aislinn are you involved with Habitato for humanity in New Orleans? [21:01] <Aislinn> we'll post it in the CB [21:02] <Joyhawk2121> bye everyone [21:02] * Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] [21:02] * JulianBH has joined #lounge [21:02] <CarpeDiem> Bye all! [21:02] * CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [21:02] * ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [21:02] <dracoloveroftheworld> now what? [21:02] * JulianBH has quit [Bye] [21:02] * Sophia40 left #lounge [] [21:02] <fawkes28> it is time to close the booth [21:02] * mollywobbles23 has quit [Bye] [21:02] <Aislinn> we're closing dracoloveroftheworld [21:02] * etnutter has quit [Bye] [21:02] <dracoloveroftheworld> bye. [21:02] * cbm has quit [Bye] [21:03] <Aislinn> bye smile [21:03] * dracoloveroftheworld has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by fawkes28**: Apr 25 2007, 09:19 PM -------------------- The Quest Books We will NOT be swayed by a halo draggin', eye batting Phoenix!!! ~DMD

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